Erick Erickson: Liberals Who Reject That Men Should Dominate Women Are Anti-Science

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SCIENCE!

Fox News contributor Erick Erickson went one step further, saying nature itself commanded that women be subservient to men.

“I’m so used to liberals telling conservatives that they’re anti-science,” Erickson explained. “But liberals who defend this and say it is not a bad thing are very anti-science. When you look at biology, when you look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and in other animals, the male typically is the dominant role. The female, it’s not antithesis, or it’s not competing, it’s a complimentary role.”

“We as people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complimentary relationships in nuclear families, and it is tearing us apart,” he continued, adding that “reality showed” it was harmful for women to be the primary source of income in a family.

More: Fox Contributor: Liberals Who Reject That Men Should Dominate Women Are Anti-Science

This is all based on Erick Erickson’s personal view of reality? Yeah… that’s right wing science.

UPDATE at 5/30/13 9:52:09 am

Erickson doubles down on his stupid comments:

The word for which he is searching in vain is “complementary,” by the way.

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296 comments
1 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:43:56am

Moron.

Natural sciences don’t judge. They don’t judge how creatures SHOULD behave, they simply record it, quantify it, correlate it, model it.

2 cinesimon  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:11:01am

Awesome.
The potential size of one’s biceps must determine everyone’s place in society, including jobs, relationships and obedience.
Yeah, that seems like science, right wing style.

3 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:33:17am

Nearly 40 percent of mothers are now the family breadwinners, report says

4 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:03:10am
Erick Erickson: We as people in a smart society

Uh, wait, I think I’ve discovered the problem…

5 kirkspencer  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:18:53am

“When you look at biology, when you look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and in other animals, the male typically is the dominant role.”

Pick an insect, pretty much any insect, and notice which gender is in charge.

Spotted Hyenas have the female in charge. So do baboons. And elephants. And macacas. And, well, the bottom line is that the male is not “typically” in charge of most animals.

6 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:26:34am
Pick an insect, pretty much any insect, and notice which gender is in charge.

Spotted Hyenas have the female in charge. So do baboons. And elephants. And macacas. And, well, the bottom line is that the male is not “typically†in charge of most animals.

Well then they’re anti-science, too. //

7 aagcobb  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:44:44am

What rightwing war on women? That’s the way to get single women into the GOP’s big tent Erik; tell them high salaries are bad for them!

8 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:49:15am

Erick Erickson is so desperate to be the next Glenn Beck

9 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:54:56am

Well, if Erick son of Erick and Lou Dobbs say they are the science realists, then I guess we gotta believe ‘em. //

10 aagcobb  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:57:53am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

Erick Erickson is so desperate to be the next Glenn Beck

Cha-ching! How many of us actually wouldn’t abandon all standards of decency to lie, defame and stoke fear and hatred for enormous wealth? Its easy for us to say we would never get in the gutter with Limbaugh because we will never be offered the chance to do so.

11 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:18:08am

Locker

Hasn’t Fox News endorsed creationism and climate change denial in the past? They’re the ones who are anti science.

Yet he thinks liberals are anti science for simply not being sexist. Erick Erickson is such a great thinker.

12 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:55:22am
13 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:55:29am

SCIENCE!

14 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:56:13am

I said this downstairs but I find it really funny that a man who once called a Supreme Court Justice a goat fucker is trying to tell us that we need to use the Bible as our guide. Anyhow, it really doesn’t matter who the breadwinner is. If the husband’s doing it, great, if the wife is, great too, and if both are taking in lots of money, even better. Erickson should stick his nose out of where it doesn’t belong. I grew up in a family where my mother was the breadwinner. There’s no shame to do that. Do I wish my Dad had a better job, of course but I’d hoped the same if the roles had reversed.

15 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:56:15am
16 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:56:43am

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

Whatever douchelips.

17 Sionainn  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:56:46am

re: #10 aagcobb

Cha-ching! How many of us actually wouldn’t abandon all standards of decency to lie, defame and stoke fear and hatred for enormous wealth? Its easy for us to say we would never get in the gutter with Limbaugh because we will never be offered the chance to do so.

I can state unequivocally that there isn’t enough money in the world to make me abandon my standards of decency.

18 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:57:29am

Definitions in the Erick Dictionary:

HARD TRUTHS=Stuff I pull out of my ass.
PANTIES IN A WAD=People pee themselves laughing so hard

19 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:57:33am
“What gives the Commerce Department the right to ask me how often I flush my toilet? Or about going to work? I’m not filling out this form. I dare them to try and come throw me in jail. I dare them to. Pull out my wife’s shotgun and see how that little ACS twerp likes being scared at the door. They’re not going on my property.”
huffingtonpost.com

Erick son of Erick is an idiot.

20 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:57:34am

And now Erickson will parlay his mind-blowing stupidity into increased credibility with the right wing.

They love this kind of ignorant shit.

21 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:57:48am

You know what’s anti science rejecting the theory of evolution despite countless years studying it. You know what’s not anti science, rejecting some sexist douchebag who’s sole job is professional right wing loser.

22 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:58:23am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

And now Erickson will parlay his mind-blowing stupidity into increased credibility with the right wing.

They love this kind of ignorant shit.

He’s going to use this thread as proof

TEH LEFTISTS IS PERSECUTIN’ ME!!111!!

23 William of Orange  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:59:11am

Well there you have it; another reason why Bachmann is calling it quits. Erickson told her to get back into the kitchen!


GIMME A BEER WOMAN!

24 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:59:30am

Erickson and the rest of the RWNJ idiots reject science all the time, such as Relativity, evolution, heliocentrism, carbon dating, the age of the Earth, etc.

Having this douchebag call anything a hard scientific truth is laughable.

25 kirkspencer  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:59:32am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

He’s going to use this thread as proof

But we are. Just, not very successfully.

26 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:59:39am
27 dragonath  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:00:45am

I touched on this in the last thread, but this sounds exactly like the kind of libertarian “alpha men’s rights” fantasies I had the misfortune of coming across the other day.

Women aren’t objects to be told what to do, you fuck.

28 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:01:06am

DERP

29 Minor_L  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:02:19am

I’m sure Erick also recognizes that homosexuality occurs in nature quite often.

30 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:02:58am

re: #27 dragonath

Women aren’t objects to be told what to do, you fuck.

COMMIE! LIBERAL!
/

31 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:03:31am

re: #29 Minor_L

I’m sure Erick also recognizes that homosexuality occurs in nature quite often.

UNPOSSIBLE! Everyone knows God don’t make no gays!

////

32 Minor_L  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:04:26am

re: #31 Lidane

UNPOSSIBLE! Everyone knows God don’t make no gays!

SCIENCE

33 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:04:43am

re: #29 Minor_L

I’m sure Erick also recognizes that homosexuality occurs in nature quite often.

The response I often see to that is “Some animals eat their young, does that mean we should too.” Yeah equating who you love with murdering and eating one’s child.

34 dragonath  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:04:53am

Someone needs to get Erickson on a plane to Afghanistan. I’m sure he would love the culture of male dominance there.

35 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:05:24am

Fox Business host: Cut government because ‘no one’ died of starvation before welfare

Stossel told the hosts of Fox & Friends that he had taken his cameras out on the streets of New York and no one he spoke to had any idea about how to fix the nation’s growing national debt.

“You cut whole departments,” the Fox Business host explained. “Why do we have a Commerce Department? Commerce just happens! Agriculture, farmers do that! You don’t need bureaucrats.”

He added that the Department of Education was also unnecessary.

“Isn’t that part of what the government does in a lot of people minds?” Fox News host Steve Doocy asked. “They need to help people rather than let people help themselves?”

“And when people are needy you want them [to get] help,” Stossel agreed. “But think about the [Great] Depression. That was before there was any welfare state at all. How many people starved? No one.”

“Right, good point,” Doocy agreed.

36 Stanghazi  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:05:28am

Erickson is trolling.

He probably gets paid by the re-tweet.

37 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:05:47am

RedState Hard Truth Force!

38 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:06:05am

This is yet another example of the tedious right wing tactic known as “I know you are but what am I?”

These people never matured past 4th grade.

39 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:07:28am
40 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:07:58am

Tea partier: Way to change Susan Collins’ mind on immigration is to ‘shoot her’

Far-right conservative group The Eagle Forum held the call, which featured Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)’s communications director Stephen Miller and the Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector. The suggestion that Collins should be shot came when the call moderator turned the discussion over to callers.

An individual identified as “Bob from Maine” said, “I’m from Maine and our tea party will be meeting up next week. What is the best way that we can get our senator to listen to us?”

“Shoot her,” said another caller, who did not identify himself.

The call to violence was met with laughter by the people on the conference call. No one on the line raised any audible objection.

41 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:08:02am

re: #35 Kragar

Fox Business host: Cut government because ‘no one’ died of starvation before welfare

No one starved to death during The Great Depression. Wow what a fucking dumbass.

42 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:08:31am

DERP

43 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:08:41am
“We as people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complimentary relationships in nuclear families, and it is tearing us apart”

I blame country music.

44 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:09:00am

re: #40 Kragar

Tea partier: Way to change Susan Collins’ mind on immigration is to ‘shoot her’

I said it downstairs. Maybe they need more than just an IRS audit. Seriously what the fuck man. Got to love the Tea Party. Those courageous souls.//

45 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:10:00am
46 William of Orange  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:10:16am

So why does the male penguin care for the chick?

See Erickson screaming on the South Pole:

“YOU’RE DOING IT ALL WRONG, STUPID!!

47 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:10:21am

re: #42 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Yeah because no Jews work for the IRS or the administration.

48 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:10:43am

re: #35 Kragar

Fox Business host: Cut government because ‘no one’ died of starvation before welfare

This must be the David Barton version of the Great Depression story.

49 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:11:04am
50 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:11:46am

Last time I checked the Lionesses do the majority of the “bread winning”. Fucking commie librul cats.

51 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:11:50am

Still derping away:

The wingnuts are loving it.

52 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:12:08am

re: #35 Kragar

Also, since when did the right wing turn against the Commerce Department? WTF.

53 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:12:10am

re: #48 Lidane

This must be the David Barton version of the Great Depression story.

“And the country was doing great until FDR came along and ruined it.” OF course this is what Glenn Beck believes about Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson.

54 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:13:13am

re: #52 Lidane

Also, since when did the right wing turn against the Commerce Department? WTF.

Wasn’t that one of the departments that Rick Perry wanted to eliminate but couldn’t name. Or am I thinking of the usual: energy, education, etc.

55 Minor_L  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:13:16am

Erikson keeps using this word “truth,” but I don’t think it means what he thinks it means.

56 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:13:48am
57 Targetpractice  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:14:19am

Ah yes, scientific racism’s twin, scientific sexism. As in “It’s scientific fact that women are inferior to men!”

58 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:14:21am

Women are natural conservatives who will tend to vote Republican.

Wait, did I say women? How clumsy of me.

I meant to say “morons”.

59 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:14:46am
US Census: Female persons, percent, 2011
50.8%
quickfacts.census.gov

Jobs
57.7% Percentage of females 16 and older who participated in the labor force, representing about 72.6 million women in 2012.

41.7% Percent of employed females 16 and older who worked in management, professional and related occupations, compared with 35.1 percent of employed males in December 2012.
infoplease.com

Please proceed, Mr. Erickson.

60 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:15:14am
61 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:15:35am

re: #60 Dr. Matt

Or how to predict election results from Dick Morris.

62 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:15:40am

I can’t wait till Erickson tells Coulter, Malkin, and Loesch they need to get back to the kitchen.
/

63 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:15:54am
64 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:15:56am

Voting
46.2% Percentage of female citizens 18 and older who reported voting in the 2010 congressional election. 44.8 percent of their male counterparts cast a ballot. Additionally, 66.6 percent of female citizens reported being registered to vote.

infoplease.com

65 William of Orange  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:16:22am

hAHAHA! Erick, funny story for you.

Latrodectus mactans

Reproduction

When a male is mature, he spins a sperm web, deposits semen on it, and charges his palpi with the sperm. Black widow spiders reproduce sexually when the male inserts his palpus into the female’s spermathecal openings. The female deposits her eggs in a globular silken container in which they remain camouflaged and guarded. A female black widow spider can produce four to nine egg sacs in one summer, each containing about 100-400 eggs. Usually, eggs incubate for twenty to thirty days. It is rare for more than a hundred to survive this process. On average, thirty will survive through the first molting, because of cannibalism, lack of food, or lack of proper shelter. It takes two to four months for black widow spiders to mature enough to breed, however full maturation typically takes six to nine months. The females can live for up to five years, while a male’s lifespan is much shorter. The female, on occasion, eats the male after mating. Lifespans depend upon environment, with shelter being the greatest determining factor and food the second greatest. Males that escape being consumed by the females can go on to fertilize other females. It is a widely held misconception that females eat males after every mating.

Must be their Republican nature…

66 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:16:40am

re: #62 Kragar

I can’t wait till Erickson tells Coulter, Malkin, and Loesch they need to get back to the kitchen.
/

I wonder what the Fox presenter who changed her mind on maternity leave when she got pregnant thinks about all this.

67 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:16:48am

re: #62 Kragar

I can’t wait till Erickson tells Coulter, Malkin, and Loesch they need to get back to the kitchen.
/

Or Phyllis Schlafly. Or K-Lo.

68 thatthatisis  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:17:00am

According to Talking Points Memo, “Juan Williams blamed more breadwinning mothers for “the disintegration of marriage.”

For many women, the disintegration of a marriage is one of the major causes of breadwinning mothers, not the other way around.

69 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:17:20am

re: #62 Kragar

I can’t wait till Erickson tells Coulter, Malkin, and Loesch they need to get back to the kitchen.
/

I’m surprised no one got that message to Phyillis Schalfry. She’s been telling women they need to get back in the kitchen since Coulter, Malkin, and Loesch were young girls.

70 dragonath  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:17:24am

re: #53 HappyWarrior

“And the country was doing great until FDR came along and ruined it.” OF course this is what Glenn Beck believes about Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson.

Don’t you know the rivers were flowing with milk and honey when McKinley was president?

71 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:17:45am
72 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:17:47am

THOSE MOOCHERS! WHY DON’T THEY GET JOBS INSTEAD OF LAZING AROUND ON WELFARE ALL DAY!!11!!


You mean they DO have jobs but their employers don’t provide healthcare, or pay them enough to live on?

73 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:17:56am

Female of the species

Youtube Video

74 Ian G.  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:18:04am

Anyone know what this is all about?

dish.andrewsullivan.com

He links to the Daily Caller, and rightly identifies it as a propaganda site, but I’m wondering if anyone definitively knows if this is a) a distortion, or b) a nothingburger. I’m concerned if the IRS stuff is starting to pull centrists like Sully in.

75 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:18:08am

re: #70 dragonath

Don’t you know the rivers were flowing with milk and honey when McKinley was president?

We had that splendid little war with Spain!

76 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:19:00am

I can honestly say I’ve never entered a contest where bread was among the prizes.

77 thatthatisis  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:19:04am

re: #62 Kragar

I can’t wait till Erickson tells Coulter, Malkin, and Loesch they need to get back to the kitchen.
/

So, so true. Phyllis Shlafley used to rail against women working outside the home, while she spent her time leaving her family in favor of jetting around the country giving speeches to conservative groups.

78 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:19:30am

re: #62 Kragar

I can’t wait till Erickson tells Coulter, Malkin, and Loesch they need to get back to the kitchen.
/

And Sarah Palin and Bachmann

79 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:20:53am

re: #77 thatthatisis

So, so true. Phyllis Shlafley used to rail against women working outside the home, while she spent her time leaving her family in favor of jetting around the country giving speeches to conservative groups.

She’s been doing that for 50 years. Phyillis Schalfry is either the biggest troll ever or the biggest hypocrite. There’s nothing more funny than railing against women working outside the home while you barnstorm the country telling women they shouldn’t work outside the home.

80 Mattand  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:21:17am

When a Republican cites science these days, they’re NEVER right.

NEVER.

81 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:21:32am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Or the Irish Potato Famine. Which was caused at least in part by the Free-Market obsession of the British Government at the time.

Nice Parallel there. Stossel is just a dick.

82 Ian G.  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:21:37am

BTW, I love his trying to back up his idiocy with “it’s science!” So does that now mean he accepts the scientific consensus on global warming? Of course not. It’s “junk science” whenever it doesn’t rubber stamp the wingnut worldview.

83 StephenMeansMe  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:22:23am

Gotta love those BIOTRUTHS™.

re: #35 Kragar
How to prevent starvation? Easy! Just cut welfare and the census, so you don’t have any records of it! //

84 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:22:47am

re: #80 Mattand

When a Republican cites science these days, they’re NEVER right.

NEVER.

That’s because they’re completely illiterate when it comes to science.

85 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:22:58am

re: #74 Ian G.

Anyone know what this is all about?

dish.andrewsullivan.com

He links to the Daily Caller, and rightly identifies it as a propaganda site, but I’m wondering if anyone definitively knows if this is a) a distortion, or b) a nothingburger. I’m concerned if the IRS stuff is starting to pull centrists like Sully in.

OK, for all the simpletons out there, the explanation for why the IRS director was visiting the White House was so that Obama could instruct him to conduct a top-secret mission to undermine Mitt Romney by targeting mom-and-pop conservative organizations by sending them questionnaires.

Furthermore, the IRS director was under strict instructions to achieve this nefarious goal not by giving actual instructions to his employees, but by overloading them with work in the hope that they would take shortcuts to identifying said groups by the use of the words “tea” and “party” in their names.

Finally, the employees were to cover their tracks by ensuring that such conservative groups only formed a roughly-proportional segment of the total politically-motivated groups they subjected to extra scrutiny.

It took a lot of visits to sort all these details out because it is a truly convoluted plot with many moving parts. Unlike invading Iraq on trumped-up pretenses, which was a really simple plan.

86 Targetpractice  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:23:07am

Erick, I hate to break it to ya, but if you want men to be the sole breadwinners in the household, then the Reagan-era view of businesses as precious children who must be spoiled rotten before they’ll deign to create good-paying jobs has gotta go. You want to return the 50s era view of the nuclear family, then a lot of shit is gonna have to come along as part of the package, like the much higher tax rates.

87 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:23:37am

re: #81 ProTARDISLiberal

Or the Irish Potato Famine. Which was caused at least in part by the Free-Market obsession of the British Government at the time.

Nice Parallel there. Stossel is just a dick.

Not just free market obsession but Trevelyan’s fucked up Neo-Calvinist views about the Catholic Irish needing to be “punished.” Stoseel’s not just a dick but he’s a stupid dick too. Really to suggest that no one starved during the Great Depression, I can honestly say that’s one of the most stupid things I’ve ever heard.

88 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:24:15am

re: #86 Targetpractice

Erick, I hate to break it to ya, but if you want men to be the sole breadwinners in the household, then the Reagan-era view of businesses as precious children who must be spoiled rotten before they’ll deign to create good-paying jobs has gotta go. You want to return the 50s era view of the nuclear family, then a lot of shit is gonna have to come along as part of the package, like the much higher tax rates.

89 Mattand  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:24:32am

re: #35 Kragar

Fox Business host: Cut government because ‘no one’ died of starvation before welfare

I nearly gave up on the Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast early on, because they featured Stossel as a “skeptical” guest.

90 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:25:14am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Essentially, the Republican Party has become a Trevelyan party. Neo-Calvinism and all.

91 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:25:30am

re: #89 Mattand

I nearly gave up on the Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast early on, because they featured Stossel as a “skeptical” guest.

I don’t blame you. Stossel’s a hack and I thought so too when he was on Dateline. His act is lame.

92 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:25:48am

Know what helps making sure one parent works and one parent stays at home?

An economy where a single income can actually provide for a family.

93 Mattand  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:26:10am

Anyone remember when Erickson was calling for moderation in the Republican party a few months ago?

94 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:26:27am

Wingnut loon just dropped a turd at the end of the previous thread.

95 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:27:04am

Re-phrasing something from last night: you can’t even prove this natural with a sample taken inside the human species. For most of time subsistence economy—whether foraging or agricultural—has required both genders to work their asses off. Even the major chuck of male/woman pairs in monetary economies both have to work.

Not that Eric cares. To repeat another theme of mine, this current “conservative” mindset is one where authoritarianism informs veracity, and is thus fundamentally anti-science.

96 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:27:15am

re: #90 ProTARDISLiberal

Essentially, the Republican Party has become a Trevelyan party. Neo-Calvinism and all.

Their ticket here in Virginia this year truly is scary. I mean sheesh you got a Lt Governor candidate who really thinks that Planned Parenthood is worse than the Klan or a governor candidate who wants to bring back Sodomy laws. Yeah, re-branding! It’s like if KFC decided to bring back the double down but decided that shit would be the breading.

97 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:27:35am

re: #92 Kragar

Know what helps making sure one parent works and one parent stays at home?

An economy where a single income can actually provide for a family.

Yep. Give people things like an actual living wage, better, more affordable education, and affordable health care, and maybe a single income would be enough to provide.

98 ramex  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:28:09am

At the heart of his statement is the same old anti-government rhetoric these clowns always spout. He doesn’t want the government there to protect the weak. His words suggest he’d enjoy doing away with all of civilization.

99 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:28:27am

Now Erick is asking the hard questions.

100 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:29:29am

re: #99 Vicious Babushka

Now Erick is asking the hard questions.

No but Fast Furious Six certainly is.

101 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:29:38am

re: #93 Mattand

Anyone remember when Erickson was calling for moderation in the Republican party a few months ago?

Then he saw his ratings take a hit, and went into full-on DERP mode to try to get them back.

Tuesday was pretty damn funny, hearing him complain about “THE IMPENDING TWO-TIER MEDICAL SYSTEM WHERE ONLY THE RICH GET GOOD HEALTHCARE”. If I didn’t already know that I’d just get cut off and hung up on, I’d have called in to ask him to explain how that’s not already the case to my mother, who while working two full-time jobs and having insurance from both, was told “Oh, if you want to get your failing eyes fixed you’ll need to cough up six grand out of pocket. Don’t have it? Fuck off.”

102 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:29:41am

Wingnuts on Twitter are all umgebroyzelt about the bogus story that

IRS IS TARGETING TEH JUICE!!11!!

103 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:30:19am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Hoping things don’t go completely shitty there.

104 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:31:00am

re: #29 Minor_L

No, that’s a perversion of nature. And perversion’s anti-science, also, too.//

105 Mattand  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:31:08am

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Wingnut loon just dropped a turd at the end of the previous thread.

Classic conservative/Tea Party move of “rationally” suggesting political assassination.

106 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:31:30am

What does evolution have to do with household income? The evolutionary period involved within the range of history of human earned household income is so miniscule it would have a negligible impact on human biology.

107 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:31:30am
108 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:32:12am

re: #103 ProTARDISLiberal

Hoping things don’t go completely shitty there.

I think we’er going to hang on but man, it almost has me wishing Virginia’s term limit law was non-existent even if that meant that McDonnell would win re-election. I don’t want Cuccinneli anywhere near the governor’s mansion. It’s bad enough with him being AG already.

109 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:33:59am

And it wasn’t just that genius Erickson. It was the entire panel.

110 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:34:28am

re: #106 Gus

What does evolution have to do with household income? The evolutionary period involved within the range of history of human earned household income is so miniscule it would have a negligible impact on human biology.

Because God clearly created Man to rule the world and earn the money and women to stay barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Duh.

Why do you hate America?

111 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:35:37am

Where Erickson’s thinking leads.

112 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:35:46am

re: #109 Gus

Fair & Balanced!!

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113 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:36:05am

Geller and Spencer are both snapping at me today like deranged ferrets.

114 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:36:20am

Here is a question that has been gnawing at me:

Why are the groups in the US that are so jingoistic the ones that also have a history of being against the US at large?

115 Mattand  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:37:04am

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Geller and Spencer are both snapping at me today like deranged ferrets.

Isn’t that known as “Every day”?

116 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:37:25am

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Do they ever stop snapping at you like deranged ferrets?

117 wrenchwench  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:37:26am

re: #95 The Ghost of a Flea

Re-phrasing something from last night: you can’t even prove this natural with a sample taken inside the human species. For most of time subsistence economy—whether foraging or agricultural—has required both genders to work their asses off. Even the major chuck of male/woman pairs in monetary economies both have to work.

Not that Eric cares. To repeat another theme of mine, this current “conservative” mindset is one where authoritarianism informs veracity, and is thus fundamentally anti-science.

Central to Erick’s assertion of dominance is the nonsensical assumption that the person leaving the house to earn money is ‘dominating’ the person who spends more time in the house and with the kids. She’s running the house, how is that submissive? Looks like she’s sending him out to do the drudgery.

118 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:37:44am

re: #114 ProTARDISLiberal

Here is a question that has been gnawing at me:

Why the groups in the US that are so jingoistic the ones that also have a history of being against the US at large?

You mean, why are for example CSA apologists the same people who will tell you that you’re unpatriotic if you criticizer a war? I don’t know.

119 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:38:12am

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Geller and Spencer are both snapping at me today like deranged ferrets.

Pamela shouldn’t use big words she can’t spell.

120 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:38:31am

re: #116 Lidane

Do they ever stop snapping at you like deranged ferrets?

Sure they do, when the liquor store’s open.

121 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:38:50am
122 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:39:07am

re: #111 jaunte

That story is even more horrible when you consider that the baby is anencephalic. Google images that if you want to give yourself nightmares.

123 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:39:23am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Bingo. Along with others, yes. Exactly what I am asking.

Also, have any Anti-Sharia Laws passed in Utah or Idaho?

124 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:39:59am

re: #111 jaunte

Where Erickson’s thinking leads.

And this is why I’ve become strongly and unabashedly pro choice.

125 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:40:13am

At Geller’s hate site, a seriously whacked out rant:

They were linking to a hit piece by Charles Johnson at the blog Little Green Footballs. Longtime Jihad Watch readers may remember Johnson as a once-prominent counter-jihad blogger who, for reasons still unknown, betrayed all his principles and began devoting his time to smearing his former friends and associates. His site still exists, although it is now just a bitter, spiteful hate site wholly dedicated to defaming and destroying those who are trying to defend freedom. Having proven himself thoroughly untrustworthy, Johnson is shunned by the Left and despised by the Right. The only people who still take him seriously are the stealth jihadis at Hamas-linked CAIR, who find his hate screeds useful to demonize voices of freedom and clear away all obstacles to the advance of the bloody jihad that just struck on the streets of Boston, London and Paris. And so they eagerly distributed this piece: “Pamela Geller Spreads Hatred and Lies at Breitbart.com,” by Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs, May 29.

“For reasons still unknown!” It’s that sekrit Muslim conspiracy money!

126 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:41:12am

Shunned by the Left! Despised by the Right! Nobody loves me! Think I’ll go eat some worms!

127 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:41:41am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Shunned by the Left! Despised by the Right! Nobody loves me! Think I’ll go eat some worms!

You are so irrelevant, they can’t stop talking about you.

128 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:41:46am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Shunned by the Left! Despised by the Right! Nobody loves me! Think I’ll go eat some worms!

You’re pretty popular for someone that’s supposed to be ‘irrelevant’.

129 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:41:55am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Shunned by the Left! Despised by the Right! Nobody loves me! Think I’ll go eat some worms!

Are you going to sit in the corner and cry too?

130 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:42:04am
Johnson’s display of servitude to Hamas groups in America is complete and utter vindication. He was evil then and he is evil now.

EVIL I SAY! EVIL!

131 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:42:40am

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Geller and Spencer are both snapping at me today like deranged ferrets.

Heh. Hit ‘em back with this little nugget:

“And swell not thy cheek (for pride) at men nor walk in insolence through the Earth; for God loveth not any arrogant boaster.
And be moderate in thy pace, and lower thy voice; for the harshest of sounds without doubt is the braying of the ass.”
-Surah Luqman, 18-19.

No matter what people may say about the Qur’an, or even the nature of religion itself, this particular verse is pretty damn close to a universal truth, at least in my opinion.

132 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:42:55am

re: #130 Charles Johnson

EVIL I SAY! EVIL!

All while still cashing those Zionist checks.

133 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:43:09am

re: #114 ProTARDISLiberal

Here is a question that has been gnawing at me:

Why are the groups in the US that are so jingoistic the ones that also have a history of being against the US at large?

Ah well then. I don’t know in both cases. But yeah it always struck me as weird that someone could claim to be a patriot yet wave the CSA flag. I mean that was a society formed to destroy the Union. As for the anti-shariah laws, it was my understanding that most of those efforts were in places like Oklahoma and Tennessee.

134 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:43:15am

re: #130 Charles Johnson

She really needs to lay off the alcohol.

Though, from my understanding, isn’t she one of the idle rich? She got her money from an ex-husband, right?

135 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:44:02am

re: #123 ProTARDISLiberal

Bingo. Along with others, yes. Exactly what I am asking.

Also, have any Anti-Sharia Laws passed in Utah or Idaho?

Not in Idaho…. yet.

136 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:44:36am

re: #135 Bubblehead II

And Utah?

138 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:46:00am

re: #135 Bubblehead II

Not in Idaho…. yet.

That’s a surprise, actually. Idaho, home of famous potatoes Tom Metzger and the Aryan Nations?

They must be slipping.

139 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:46:28am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Shunned by the Left! Despised by the Right! Nobody loves me!

Glenn Greenwald might suggest you change your name to Barack Obama.

140 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:46:58am

re: #137 Kragar

Exxon CEO: ‘What Good Is It to Save the Planet if Humanity Suffers?’

YEah future generations, fuck them. They haven’t done anything for me.

141 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:47:49am

re: #130 Charles Johnson

EVIL I SAY! EVIL!

Youtube Video

142 erik_t  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:47:59am

Is the stealth jihadist budget as out of control as the F-35’s?

143 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:48:17am

re: #136 ProTARDISLiberal

And Utah?

Don’t know about Utah. But I don’t recall anything popping up in the Salt Lake Tribune.

144 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:48:35am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Shunned by the Left! Despised by the Right! Nobody loves me! Think I’ll go eat some worms!

How To Eat Fried Worms is a great book.

145 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:48:49am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Shunned by the Left! Despised by the Right! Nobody loves me! Think I’ll go eat some worms!

Yeah me too. Blocked on Twitter by @AtlasShrugs and @MJayRosenberg

146 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:48:51am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Again, Exxon Mobil is just a really, really shitty company.

By a 4-to-1 ratio, shareholders defeated a resolution to explicitly ban discrimination against gays. The Exxon board had argued that the company already banned discrimination of any type and didn’t need to add language regarding gays.

147 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:49:00am

The really hard thing is finding a bank willing to cash both Zionist and Muslim Brotherhood checks on the same account.

148 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:49:20am

Hey, who knew. Charles Johnson is also another member of Friends of Hamas just like Chuck Hagel.

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149 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:50:58am

Sounds like Ted Nugent…..

150 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:51:24am

re: #138 Dr Lizardo

That’s a surprise, actually. Idaho, home of famous potatoes Tom Metzger and the Aryan Nations?

They must be slipping.

Idaho bounced him and his group of dumb asses out awhile back. Admittitly, it was with the help of the SPCL sueing their ass into the ground.

151 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:52:04am

Third ricin letter threatens Obama over ‘God-given’ gun rights

The Secret Service on Thursday reportedly intercepted the third in a series of ricin-tainted letters threatening violence over any new gun control measures.

Two other letters were received by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Friday and the Bloomberg-supported Mayors Against Illegal Guns on Sunday.

WNBC’s Jonathan Dienst told MSNBC’s Jonathan Roberts on Thursday that law enforcement officials had confirmed that a third letter had been intercepted by the Secret Service before it reached President Barack Obama. Dienst said that the same person in Shreveport, Louisiana appeared to be the sender of all three threats.

152 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:52:24am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Sounds like Ted Nugent…..

Worst party invitation ever.

153 wrenchwench  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:52:58am

Geller says:

It’s funny, but back in 2007 I linked LGF and Hamas-CAIR, and the right turned on me. Johnson was such a beloved figure on the right. So much so that I lost over half of my readership at the time and was never linked to again by the big boys in the blogosphere (Instapundit, Malkin, Hot Air — Allahpundit stood with Johnson long after LGF went after everyone on the right).

You hurt her worse than I thought. Good job!

154 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:54:10am

re: #144 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

How To Eat Fried Worms is a great book.

Plus one. I remember we had a choice of books to read in fourth or fifth grade one year and I chose that one simply for the title and it did not disappoint.

155 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:54:45am

re: #151 Kragar

Third ricin letter threatens Obama over ‘God-given’ gun rights

Probably just a liberal plant trying to make conservatives look bad. You know that’s what liberals do since they don’t work.//

156 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:55:07am

That wharglebargula troll is really, really nasty.

157 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:57:02am

Rebranding!

158 Sionainn  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:57:49am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Plus one. I remember we had a choice of books to read in fourth or fifth grade one year and I chose that one simply for the title and it did not disappoint.

After reading that book, I figured out that the reason why I didn’t like eggplant was because that’s exactly the texture I figured worms would have.

159 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:58:56am

I’m currently trying to convince my partners that what any good scifi epic needs is a ship ramming scene.

160 erik_t  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:59:01am

re: #157 Lidane

Rebranding!

Unskewing the voter pool.

161 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:59:52am

re: #157 Lidane

Rebranding!

“If we ignore reality, we’re sure to win!”

162 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:01:13am

re: #161 Kragar

“If we ignore reality, we’re sure to win!”

It would’ve worked in 2008 if it wasn’t for ACORN!

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163 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:01:34am

Man, I didn’t realize that having 40% of women as head-of-household in tax filings would rile the right so much.

164 GeneJockey  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:01:57am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Sounds like Ted Nugent…..

More like Dick Cheney. He’s actually done it.

165 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:02:13am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

That wharglebargula troll is really, really nasty.

Yep. Something tells me he’s been here before.

166 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:02:27am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Sounds like Ted Nugent…..

Or Erick Erickson, threatening a census taker.

167 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:03:38am

re: #165 Bubblehead II

Yep. Something tells me he’s been here before.

It’s all the same,
only the names will change

168 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:04:01am

re: #166 jaunte

Or Erick Erickson, threatening a census taker.

With his wife’s shotgun no less!

169 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:04:24am

re: #159 Kragar

I’m currently trying to convince my partners that what any good scifi epic needs is a ship ramming scene.

The more thinly-disguised the sexual undertones, the better!

170 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:05:06am

re: #167 Kragar

It’s all the same,
only the names will change

And they are not very imaginative at that.

171 Targetpractice  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:05:50am

re: #125 Charles Johnson

At Geller’s hate site, a seriously whacked out rant:

“For reasons still unknown!” It’s that sekrit Muslim conspiracy money!

Wait, you’re getting paid by the Zionists and the Stealth Jihad?! What kinda racket are you runnin’ here?!

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172 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:06:34am

re: #169 iossarian

The more thinly-disguised the sexual undertones, the better!

SILENCE!

Youtube Video

173 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:10:06am

We’re talking the same people that think the Pentagon has been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood. The same people that think PBO is a stealth Muslim Jihadit. The same people that think even Grover Norquist is an agent for the Muslim Brotherhood. The same folks that see Muslim terrorists under every rock including halal Butterball turkey meats and other meats and food products.

174 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:11:22am
175 nines09  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:11:23am

Yeah, I know I go for the cheap laugh, but seriously, that photo of Eric Son Of Eric’s Son just screams for a condom hat/cap/chapeau. Just envision it with a tipped Mega Trojan just above his eyes to about 10 inches tall over his chubby little face. He is a dick, after all.

176 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:11:28am

re: #173 Gus

We’re talking the same people that think the Pentagon has been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood. The same people that think PBO is a stealth Muslim Jihadit. The same people that think even Grover Norquist is an agent for the Muslim Brotherhood. The same folks that see Muslim terrorists under every rock including halal Butterball turkey meats and other meats and food products.

As the Waco Kid said, you know morons.

177 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:14:43am

And if you don’t agree with them then you’re another “stealth Jihadist [sic] working for Hamas linked CAIR.” They’ll repeat the phrase “unindicted co-conspirators” over and over again attaching it to every other Muslim groups in the United States. These same people didn’t even like it when GWB called Islam the religion of peace. Most of these crackpots like Geller and Spencer even thought the GWB WH was infiltrated by Islamic terrorist operatives. Frank Gaffney? Joseph Farah? Pam Geller? Robert Spencer? Give me a break. These people are lunatics.

178 wrenchwench  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:15:42am

re: #163 klys and whatnot

Man, I didn’t realize that having 40% of women as head-of-household in tax filings would rile the right so much.

It’s all part of the destruction of American Society. Women, brown people, nobody is staying in the factories and the kitchens and the slums where they belong. Everybody wants a piece of the American Pie that used to be cut and served by and to the white men in charge.

179 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:16:44am

American Family Association: Gay-Accepting Straights Inviting ‘Devastation Wrought by God’s Wrath’

In last month’s American Family Association magazine, Ed Vitagliano lamented that gay people might not want to be friends with Christians who are opposed to marriage equality. Vitagliano is probably not boosting his chances of making gay friends with his article in June’s AFA Journal, a two-page spread with “Sodom” plastered across the top.

The thrust of the article is that “embracing homosexuality is a sign of deep spiritual sickness” in a culture. America, he writes, is on the verge of suppressing the truth about God’s plan and the duality of gender. “A downward death spiral results from such suppression,” he warns.

180 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:16:47am

re: #178 wrenchwench

It’s all part of the destruction of American Society. Women, brown people, nobody is staying in the factories and the kitchens and the slums where they belong. Everybody wants a piece of the American Pie that used to be cut and served by and to the white men in charge.

American white male: life’s lowest difficulty setting.

only half /

181 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:17:19am

re: #179 Kragar

American Family Association: Gay-Accepting Straights Inviting ‘Devastation Wrought by God’s Wrath’

So that explains my back cyst.//

182 leftynyc  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:19:04am

re: #35 Kragar

Fox Business host: Cut government because ‘no one’ died of starvation before welfare

Nobody starved? Does that network ever tell the truth?

President Herbert Hoover declared, “Nobody is actually starving. The hoboes are better fed than they have ever been.” But in New York City in 1931, there were 20 known cases of starvation; in 1934, there were 110 deaths caused by hunger. There were so many accounts of people starving in New York that the West African nation of Cameroon sent $3.77 in relief.

digitalhistory.uh.edu

183 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:20:50am
184 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:21:16am

re: #179 Kragar

American Family Association: Gay-Accepting Straights Inviting ‘Devastation Wrought by God’s Wrath’

That must explain the occasional back pain I get.

No, wait - that’s because of a bad mattress that I need to replace sometime soon.

185 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:21:34am

re: #182 leftynyc

Nobody starved? Does that network ever tell the truth?

digitalhistory.uh.edu

I actually feel embarrassed for them. I mean to say something like that on a major news network and not get it called out. But this is Fox News I realize and they just don’t give a shit.

186 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:21:38am

I’ve just read the dumbest thing ever written. The internet is done.

187 Varek Raith  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:22:01am

re: #183 Kragar

Lol.

188 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:22:02am

re: #183 Kragar

“Told you.”

What is this guy, a five year old?

189 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:22:26am

re: #183 Kragar

I see he’s trying to top Stossel’s “no one starved in the Great Depression” in the battle for the stupidest things I’ve read said today.

190 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:23:15am

re: #188 jaunte

What is this guy, a five year old?

He turns four next month. We’re taking him to Chuck E. Cheese. They grow up so fast!

191 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:30:03am

I still don’t know what Fischer expects to prove with this gay Hitler stuff. Okay, say Hitler was gay, all evidence shows that he wasn’t but let’s say he was. It doesn’t prove anything. Does the fact that the an overwhelming part of the Nazi membership were straight Christians prove that straight Christians shouldn’t be allowed equality under the law. No it doesn’t and Fischer shows again why he’s stupider than Jerry Fallwell was which is a really hard task to do considering that Falwell agreed with his idiot pal Robertson that we deserved 9/11 because of liberalism.

192 sauceruney  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:30:20am

If this arrangement with nature is so important, why has the GOP worked so hard to make the stay-at-home mom an endangered species?

193 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:32:19am

re: #192 sauceruney

Erick’s just going with his feelings, not his logic.

194 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:32:35am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

You forget, these morons think all the Nazis were actually closeted gays who only persecuted other homosexuals to cover up their own activities.

195 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:33:35am

California Senate Overwhelmingly Votes To Cut Boy Scouts’ Tax Exemption

The legislation was sponsored by Sen. Ricardo Lara (D), who is openly gay. He opened his floor speech by reading the pledges of the several youth organizations, noting that the Girl Scouts, 4-H clubs, Boys & Girls of America, and YMCA are all open to gay members, but the Boy Scouts stand alone in discriminating based on sexual orientation:

LARA: Members, we’ve given the Boy Scouts ample time to solve their discrimination problem and they’ve chosen a path that still leads to discrimination. The BSA’s recent vote to allow gay youth as members falls short of truly implementing a truly inclusive policy. While it is a step in the right direction, continuing the ban on LGBT adults is premised on absurd assumptions and stereotypes that perpetuate hate and homophobia.

What does this mean? Up to 17 you’re fine to be in the Boy Scouts and at the stroke of midnight on your 18th birthday you turn into a pedophile or a predator? What kind of warped message does this send?

196 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:33:38am

re: #194 Kragar

You forget, these morons think all the Nazis were actually closeted gays who only persecuted other homosexuals to cover up their own activities.

If they seriously think every single Nazi Party member was a closeted gay doing so to cover up then this country needs to improve its mental health care even more than I thought.

197 Eventual Carrion  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:34:37am

re: #5 kirkspencer

“When you look at biology, when you look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and in other animals, the male typically is the dominant role.”

Pick an insect, pretty much any insect, and notice which gender is in charge.

Spotted Hyenas have the female in charge. So do baboons. And elephants. And macacas. And, well, the bottom line is that the male is not “typically” in charge of most animals.

I know, Eric should tell that to a male Black Widow spider or praying Mantis and the multitude of other creatures that just use the males for mating and then a quick lunch afterward.

198 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:35:11am

re: #151 Kragar

Third ricin letter threatens Obama over ‘God-given’ gun rights

Yeah, I read all about that in the Book of Armaments.

199 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:35:18am
200 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:35:30am

Obama letter possibly laced with ricin similar to contaminated Bloomberg letters, Secret Service says

A letter addressed to President Obama that may have been contaminated with the deadly toxin ricin is similar to two ricin-laced letters recently sent to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, the Secret Service said Thursday.

A screening facility for mail sent to the White House intercepted the recent letter sent to Mr. Obama, Secret Service spokesman Edwin Donovan said. The letter has been turned over to the FBI’s joint terrorism task force for testing and investigation.

201 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:36:01am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

If they seriously think every single Nazi Party member was a closeted gay doing so to cover up then this country needs to improve its mental health care even more than I thought.


The Pink Swastika

According to the authors, homosexuality found in the Nazi Party contributed to the extreme militarism of Nazi Germany. The title of the book, as well as the book itself, is a reference to a book by Richard Plant called The Pink Triangle: The Nazi War Against Homosexuals, a book detailing homophobia in the Nazi Party and the homosexual victims of Nazism. Lively and Abrams also take up the subject of Nazism in America and discuss the Boy Scouts. The book states that many leaders in the German Nazi regime, including Adolf Hitler himself, were homosexual and says that eight of the top ten serial killers in the US were homosexuals.[2][3] One significant research source for the writing of The Pink Swastika was the book Germany’s National Vice, written by Samuel Igra, which Scott Lively refers to as “the 1945 version of The Pink Swastika.”[4]

202 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:37:13am

re: #194 Kragar

You forget, these morons think all the Nazis were actually closeted gays who only persecuted other homosexuals to cover up their own activities.

The give-away big clue was the really spiffy uniforms.

203 brennant  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:37:36am

Science!

204 Ian G.  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:41:32am

re: #201 Kragar

says that eight of the top ten serial killers in the US were homosexuals.

I’m assuming this is nonsense, but does anyone have the facts to prove it? Off-hand, I can think of one serial killer who was gay: Jeffrey Dahmer. Ted Bundy most certainly was not gay.

205 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:42:38am

re: #183 Kragar

I smashed my face so hard I think I left marks.

206 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:43:54am

re: #204 Ian G.

I’m assuming this is nonsense, but does anyone have the facts to prove it? Off-hand, I can think of one serial killer who was gay: Jeffrey Dahmer. Ted Bundy most certainly was not gay.

John Wayne Gacy?

207 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:45:38am

re: #199 Gus

From the comments:

OK a very large number but if we take out Black on Black Crime just in Chicago would it change the number? Or maybe we would have to add Black on Black crime in lets say; New York, Balt, Atlanta, N. Orleans??? would it change the number???? Just asking

Is there any topic that the National Journal could run that wouldn’t lead to some chin-scratching philosopher “just asking” whether the problem isn’t really just down to those black folks, hmm?

208 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:46:35am

re: #204 Ian G.

I’m assuming this is nonsense, but does anyone have the facts to prove it? Off-hand, I can think of one serial killer who was gay: Jeffrey Dahmer. Ted Bundy most certainly was not gay.

None of the top ten serial killers I just checked out only one was gay, or at least, a pedophile

The others, sick and twisted, indeed…..but not gay.

Hell, Dahmer doesn’t even come close to these guys. The all-time champeen serial killer is one Luis Garavito, with a confirmed bodycount of 138 - suspected in up to 400.

209 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:47:46am

How quaint and condescending of Erickson to tell women what role they’re supposed to have in society - namely to be subservient, submissive, and subordinate to the male.

His ego must be seriously bruised by the fact that women are breadwinners in a family arrangement. Or, that if they are, that it’s somehow unnatural that they’re in that position.

210 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:48:02am

re: #205 stabby

I smashed my face so hard I think I left marks.

Was that because you realized how stupid it is to think, as you did the other day, that there’s no such thing as a moderate Muslim cleric?

211 Kragar  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:48:10am

re: #208 Dr Lizardo

None of the top ten serial killers I just checked out seemed to be gay.

Sick and twisted, indeed…..but not gay.

Hell, Dahmer doesn’t even come close to these guys. The all-time champeen serial killer is one Luis Garavito, with a confirmed bodycount of 138 - suspected in up to 400.

He did say US

List of serial killers in the United States

212 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:48:21am

re: #208 Dr Lizardo

None of the top ten serial killers I just checked out seemed to be gay.

Sick and twisted, indeed…..but not gay.

Hell, Dahmer doesn’t even come close to these guys. The all-time champeen serial killer is one Luis Garavito, with a confirmed bodycount of 138 - suspected in up to 400.

I think and it doesn’t really matter but I think Garavito was gay. From what I understand, gays occupy some of the most prolific serial killers but at the same time gay serial killers are much rarer than straight ones. And lesbian ones? I’ve only read of one and I’ve been reading about this subject for a while.

213 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:49:26am

re: #211 Kragar

He did say US

List of serial killers in the United States

Ah, OK.

I’d rank one of the biggies as Erszebet Bathory; possibly up to 600 victims. But she wasn’t an American, of course.

214 aagcobb  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:49:28am

Love Erik and the Fox News Male crew all derping hysterically about female breadwinners. The GOP doesn’t just have a Hispanic problem. They have a much worse single women problem. Single women made up 23% of the electorate last year, and Romney lost them by 36 points. So as long as the GOP keeps derping that their bosses should decide if they get contraceptive coverage, and its bad for them to earn a high income, I’m feeling pretty good about Hillary’s chances in ‘16.

215 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:50:40am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

I think and it doesn’t really matter but I think Garavito was gay. From what I understand, gays occupy some of the most prolific serial killers but at the same time gay serial killers are much rarer than straight ones. And lesbian ones? I’ve only read of one and I’ve been reading about this subject for a while.

I changed my post on edit….I read further on Garavito.

I’m pretty sure hetero serial killers are far more common. For instance, Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer, and quite prolific as well.

216 aagcobb  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:50:55am

re: #207 iossarian

From the comments:

Is there any topic that the National Journal could run that wouldn’t lead to some chin-scratching philosopher “just asking” whether the problem isn’t really just down to those black folks, hmm?

Fact is America is more racially diverse than ever, and our murder rate is approaching a 100 year low. Just sayin.

217 palomino  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:51:06am

Completely agree with Erickson.

Oh, wait, just checked the calendar. It’s not 1960 anymore. I changed my mind, EE is full of shit, but only a half century late. At least other dead-end fossils, like Phylis Schlafly, will be happy.

Does this mean the Palins are not godly? I’m pretty sure Sarah makes a hell of a lot more than Todd.

218 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:51:58am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

I changed my post on edit….I read further on Garavito.

I’m pretty sure hetero serial killers are far more common. For instance, Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer, and quite prolific as well.

They are but the point was that gay serial killers are among some of the most prolific. Not that it matters. I don’t expect to be judged as a straight male for Gary Ridgway’s crimes and nor should any gay dude expect to be the same for Dahmer’s.

219 aagcobb  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:52:25am

re: #217 palomino

Completely agree with Erickson.

Oh, wait, just checked the calendar. It’s not 1960 anymore. I changed my mind, EE is full of shit, but only a half century late. At least other dead-end fossils, like Phylis Schlafly, will be happy.

Does this mean the Palins are not godly? I’m pretty sure Sarah makes a hell of a lot more than Todd.

Eric clearly needs to tell Sara she is defying science and needs to get home to tend to that baby.

220 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:54:17am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

They are but the point was that gay serial killers are among some of the most prolific. Not that it matters. I don’t expect to be judged as a straight male for Gary Ridgway’s crimes and nor should any gay dude expect to be the same for Dahmer’s.

Exactly. Straight or gay is irrelevant; a serial killer is a sociopathic hunter/predator, and that particular abnormality has nothing to do with gay vs. straight.

221 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:58:02am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

Exactly. Straight or gay is irrelevant; a serial killer is a sociopathic hunter/predator, and that particular abnormality has nothing to do with gay vs. straight.

I think the biggest difference between sane people sand nutty people on this issue is that the sane person views the person as “That killer who happens to be gay” while the insane one views them as “That gay person who happens to be a killer.” Did that make any sense? If not, I guess what I mean is the nutjobs view the person’s sexuality or whatever above all else. It’s not that Hitler killed six million Jews and others, it’s that he was gay!

222 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:00:56pm

re: #210 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Was that because you realized how stupid it is to think, as you did the other day, that there’s no such thing as a moderate Muslim cleric?

What I ACTUALLY said was that moderation in Muslim societies comes from secular people and that started the usual firestorm of pc hysteria.

After that I said that moderation doesn’t come naturally to Islamic clerics.

Heh. You can’t tell the difference between some and all yourself. But don’t let me rain on your righteous jerkoff. You NEED that.

223 Lidane  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:04:39pm
224 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:09:50pm

re: #222 stabby

What I ACTUALLY said was that moderation in Muslim societies comes from secular people and that started the usual firestorm of pc hysteria.

You said this:

Well if you’re a religious nut, you don’t look for moderates among secular people (you don’t LIKE secular people after all), you look for religious leaders who preach love and tolerance.

But in Muslim culture, religious leaders aren’t the place to look.

You also said this:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Randall Gross said that the quotes were by moderate Islamic organizations, and their example disproves my claim that Islamic clerics are NOT where moderation come from in Muslim societies.

And you were wrong then, and are wrong now.

As is easily shown:

news.bbc.co.uk

A hardline religious court in Iran has sentenced a prominent liberal cleric to seven years in prison.

Religion is just another part of culture. There are liberal Muslim clerics pushing for liberalism. They’re also risking a lot to do so— as is anyone in any area of these societies pushing for liberalism.

Just as in the US, where liberalism is pushed for both by the secular and the very devoutly religious.

225 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:17:12pm

re: #224 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Once again, there’s a difference between few and none.

For instance the masses of people who were rioting in the streets of Tehran, shouting sardonic slogans back at the government cheerleaders, they didn’t represent a religious movement.

You and others in that thread are trying to pretend that there can be no space between accepting the oppression and hatred that is common in Islam (you seem to do it by saying “this will go out of style any day” to yourselves over and over) and being a phobic Mulsim-hater like Pamela Geller.

What I said, by the way, are things that any liberal who was forced to grow up in a country like Egypt or Pakistan would agree with. And yes, I’ve read them write such things, or say them.

Your need to create a zero tolerance space where Islam can not be held accountable leaves no room for most of the liberals who came from those countries.

226 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:21:45pm

Ie, you don’t attack my ideas, you look for semantic traps. As if when I say that something is not significant, you pretend that into me saying that it doesn’t exist at all, and then you use the minor falshood as an excuse to accuse me of bigotry.

It’s a stupid trick that only works because your audience doesn’t care to read every word, doesn’t care to understand them, and just wants their simplistic comfortable lines of demarcation between acceptable speech and that from their right wing enemies. You don’t want to have to understand what you read before you condemn it, that would take effort.

227 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:23:15pm

re: #222 stabby

No, you made the assertion that my faith is somehow worse than Christianity.

You are the one changing your story. Obdicut might as well be a fort. She has been sitting in the same position against you.

228 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:24:06pm

re: #227 ProTARDISLiberal

That’s something I say all the time. But that’s not what started the firestorm. Note my first comment with 30 downdings.

229 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:26:54pm

By the way, ProTARDISLiberal, almost all clerics claim that all other religions are inferior to their own. And Muslim clerics do that in the most harsh way possible. Why is it that you can put up with that from “your faith” but you can’t put up with it from me?

230 Eventual Carrion  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:38:56pm

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

That must explain the occasional back pain I get.

No, wait - that’s because of a bad mattress that I need to replace sometime soon.

I just got a new, firm queen size. It makes a huge difference.

231 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:41:15pm

re: #225 stabby

Once again, there’s a difference between few and none.

The relative numbers don’t matter. You absolutely, absolutely need to seek out liberal and moderate Muslim clerics if you want to push moderation in Islamic society. And liberal and moderate Muslim clerics are hugely important in pushing for moderation.

I don’t really get how you can possibly think that moderation of a religion is possible without a push for moderation from within that religion.

It’s a stupid trick that only works because your audience doesn’t care to read every word, doesn’t care to understand them, and just wants their simplistic comfortable lines of demarcation between acceptable speech and that from their right wing enemies.

Yeah, you’re smarter than everyone here, sheeple, hivemind, etc. etc. The problem cannot possibly be you, it must be me and everyone else.

232 Eventual Carrion  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:43:16pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

The give-away big clue was the really spiffy uniforms.

They did have nice uniforms. Designed by a movie or theater clothing designer I think I once read somewhere.


[Edited to fix spelling]

233 Eventual Carrion  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:47:36pm

re: #223 Lidane

Boy if Erick Erickson finds out male seahorses give birth…t.co
— Zandar (@ZandarVTS) May 30, 2013

And don’t even get started on worms.

234 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:52:10pm

re: #231 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The relative numbers don’t matter. You absolutely, absolutely need to seek out liberal and moderate Muslim clerics if you want to push moderation in Islamic society. And liberal and moderate Muslim clerics are hugely important in pushing for moderation.

I don’t really get how you can possibly think that moderation of a religion is possible without a push for moderation from within that religion.

So you’re attacking me because I’m saying that your dream of a Moderate Islam popping up isn’t anything more than a dream at this point? I’m not helping?

Egyptian peace and democracy activist Ali Salem once told a reporter “Islam will not moderate. Islam can not moderate. Instead it will be forgotten.”

However his own country was already in terrible shape when he said that. Mass opinion there is anything but moderate, and it’s gotten much worse since then. And there are horrific stories of atrocities there that you’re probably not aware of. I’m not going there though.

I think that in less entrenched societies the answer is secularization. Islam will improve by becoming less important.

In the worst places the new answer that the Middle East has taught me is there doesn’t have to be any such thing as hope. Things may not get better in our lifetimes or in this century…

It’s similar to the fact that there is not going to be peace with Israel.

235 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:57:10pm

re: #234 stabby

I’m ‘attacking’ you for your whole suite of bigoted, anti-Muslim views, mostly your assertion that Islam is the worst of all religions. You’ve run away from defending this proposition at every opportunity.

I think that in less entrenched societies the answer is secularization. Islam will improve by becoming less important.

And in order to do this, it’ll take liberal Muslim leaders who see and uphold the value of secular society.

Which is very obvious.

236 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:03:47pm

re: #235 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’m ‘attacking’ you for your whole suite of bigoted, anti-Muslim views, mostly your assertion that Islam is the worst of all religions. You’ve run away from defending this proposition at every opportunity.

What bullshit, I listed dozens and dozens of ways in which Muslim countries are oppressive as support for the assertion that Islam encourages oppression.

I don’t think that wasting hours on answers that you apparently don’t read is “running away”

Now is your turn to run away. Get a life. Stop harping on past conversations, stop lying about them. I don’t know why you’ve decided that stalking me is the best use of your life but go to a god damn therapist and get over it.

237 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:07:36pm

re: #236 stabby

What bullshit, I listed dozens and dozens of ways in which Muslim countries are oppressive as support for the assertion that Islam encourages oppression.

Huh? We were never arguing over the stupid contention that ‘islam encourages oppression’.

I don’t think that wasting hours on answers that you apparently don’t read is “running away”

Nobody else has seen these answers either, Stabby. Every time I challenge you to answer and humiliate me by showing that yes, you have a resonable response, you just run away.

Now is your turn to run away. Get a life. Stop harping on past conversations, stop lying about them. I don’t know why you’ve decided that stalking me is the best use of your life but go to a god damn therapist and get over it.

Stabby, it’s not going to happen. You can stop replying to me, but I’m not going to stop calling you out. I’m not sure what you don’t get about this.

238 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:10:43pm

re: #237 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Huh? We were never arguing over the stupid contention that ‘islam encourages oppression’.

It’s not my fault that you have 0 reading comprehension.

Stabby, it’s not going to happen. You can stop replying to me, but I’m not going to stop calling you out. I’m not sure what you don’t get about this.

Yep you’re just a self righteous troll hoping to lie and provoke until I blow up and get banned.

It is to this blog’s shame that it encourages your sort.

239 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:14:17pm

re: #238 stabby

It’s not my fault that you have 0 reading comprehension.

But I don’t, Stabby. It’s really obvious I don’t. These kind of lame insults don’t do anything for your cause, because it’s really obvious they’re not true.

Yep you’re just a self righteous troll hoping to lie and provoke until I blow up and get banned.

I don’t get the concept of being provoked until you blow up and get banned. I cannot think of the lack of self-control that you’d have to have in order to do that, sorry. If you can’t control your temper to the extent that you can’t stop yourself from posting on the internet, then that’s your issue, not mine.

I actually just want you to try to respond to my criticism of your position on Muslims and hopefully come to understand how faulty it is, since you’ve apparently come to understand positions of yours have been faulty in the past. That’d be my actual goal.

Other than that, I think it’s important to remind you of your hypocrisy when you’re calling out people in the GOP for bigotry, too. It wouldn’t be very good if I gave you a pass on bigotry because your politics are the same as mine on some issues, would it?

240 abolitionist  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:16:21pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Ah yes, scientific racism’s twin, scientific sexism. As in “It’s scientific fact that women are inferior to men!”

[retrying]

241 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:17:06pm

re: #239 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

That’s a total misrepresentation, but for you, self righteousness must be like sex. You just can’t get enough of telling yourself that you’re the moral superior.

242 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:20:51pm

re: #241 stabby

That’s a total misrepresentation, but for you, self righteousness must be like sex. You just can’t get enough of telling yourself that you’re the moral superior.

Psychology via TCP/IP is really dumb. And I, like most people, can actually get enough of sex. If you can’t, you may want to see a doctor about that.

I don’t think I’m your moral superior. I think that your argument— and attitudes— on Muslims and Islam are deeply flawed and highly bigoted. Those arguments are not the sum total of you as a person.

243 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:22:28pm

re: #242 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You’re obsessed with showing me up and driving me out.

If you say otherwise, you’re lying, obviously.

But that’s not your only lie. This conversation is riddled with your lies.

244 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:25:38pm

re: #243 stabby

You’re obsessed with showing me up and driving me out.

If you say otherwise, you’re lying, obviously.

How is it obvious, Stabby? And how can I drive you out? At worst, can’t you just skip over what I write?

But that’s not your only lie. This conversation is riddled with your lies.

The other day, you asserted that I’d said that you shouldn’t look at the present when analyzing a religion. What I’d actually said was that you shouldn’t just look at the present, but also at the past. Whether willfully or ignorantly, you misrepresented that— when told you’d misrepresented it, you simply failed to acknowledge it. I don’t think you really have a lot of standing when accusing other people of lying.

245 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:27:40pm

I’ll skip over anything you write that doesn’t contain a malicious misrepresentation or slander, which means that I’ll skip none of it.

246 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:29:46pm

re: #237 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He’s Colonel Run-Away.

247 abolitionist  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:30:16pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Ah yes, scientific racism’s twin, scientific sexism. As in “It’s scientific fact that women are inferior to men!”

For example, consider Emmy Noether:

During her first years teaching at Göttingen she did not have an official position and was not paid; her family paid for her room and board and supported her academic work. Her lectures often were advertised under Hilbert’s name, and Noether would provide “assistance”.

If she’d been of any value as a teacher, surely she’d have been paid 70 % as much as her male counterparts.

But really (bolding is mine),

Emmy Noether (German: [ˈnøːtɐ]; official name Amalie Emmy Noether;[1] 23 March 1882 - 14 April 1935), was an influential German mathematician known for her groundbreaking contributions to abstract algebra and theoretical physics. Described by Pavel Alexandrov, Albert Einstein, Jean Dieudonné, Hermann Weyl, Norbert Wiener and others as the most important woman in the history of mathematics,[2][3] she revolutionized the theories of rings, fields, and algebras. In physics, Noether’s theorem explains the fundamental connection between symmetry and conservation laws.[4]

248 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:31:54pm

re: #245 stabby

I’ll skip over anything you write that doesn’t contain a malicious misrepresentation or slander, which means that I’ll skip none of it.

Okay. I advise, then, instead of simply asserting that I’ve misrepresented you, demonstrating it. For example, you misrepresented what I’d said about judging not just the present of a religion. Examples like that of me actually misrepresenting you—rather than assertions or your repeated statement that what you said was clearly hyperbolic so I’m being a big meanie to hold you to it— would serve to support your contentions.

And again, if you really can’t control your temper to the point that you’ll post something that’ll get you banned— I really can’t image what that’d be— then that’s your problem, and it’s a pretty weird one. You really can’t just calm yourself down and tell yourself it would be stupid to do that?

249 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:35:10pm

re: #248 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s never possible to demonstrate anything to the satisfaction of a troll like you. But thanks for taunting me with the pretense that you argue in good faith.

I do defend myself. Of course you never admit that.

Anyway, I have work to do. Go pretend that’s funny.

250 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:37:56pm

re: #249 stabby

It’s never possible to demonstrate anything to the satisfaction of a troll like you. But thanks for taunting me with the pretense that you argue in good faith.

See, the way to show this is by doing it— demonstrating some way that I’ve misrespresented you— and then showing that I’ve done it. Sure, maybe I’m the evil troll your imagination has me as, but if you actually could show me misreprsenting you over and over, other people would support you.

But you don’t.

I do defend myself. Of course you never admit that.

Actually, what I’m saying is you do a really shitty job of defending yourself, and usually just make yourself look worse. This is because your premise— that Islam is the worst of all major religions— is a very flawed one.

251 EPR-radar  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:37:59pm

re: #236 stabby

What bullshit, I listed dozens and dozens of ways in which Muslim countries are oppressive as support for the assertion that Islam encourages oppression.

…

Consider two statements:

1) Islam is the worst of the major religions, and is inherently incompatible with freedoms we want to see in civilized societies.

2) Large parts of the Islamic world are presently under the rule of theocratic regimes which repress their populations. Furthermore, Islamic fundamentalism itself is depressingly popular in many places, such that Islamic theocrats can sometime even win in fair elections. The human rights situations in such societies is appalling.

Personally, I agree with statement #2, and disagree with statement #1. When I snipe at you, it is because I see you as advocating for statement #1.

So, some questions:

A) Do you think there is a difference between statements 1 and 2?

B) If you see a difference there, which, if either, do you agree with?

252 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:40:58pm

re: #251 EPR-radar

There is a difference and I have never said item 1

I am not Pamela Geller.

I could have posted that first comment that got -30 dings on the blog of any secular liberal from a Muslim country and gotten enthusiastic assent. But well, LGF…

253 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:44:55pm

re: #252 stabby

There is a difference and I have never said item 1
.

You have said that Islam is the worst of the major religions, actually. And you’ve asserted that what’s wrong with Islam comes from the text and the character of Mohammed, and that Muslims have to take the Qu’ran ‘literally’. Are you denying having said this?

255 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:15:46pm

I have to go to work.

But all of you who are convinced that it is a horrible crime to say that Islam is worse than Christianity, you all go live in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or hang out in Nigeria - tell them you’re a Christian or a Jew or an Atheist while you’re at it. Those of you who are women may need constant male escorts, but that’s not a problem is it? I mean there’s nothing inferior about that requirement. Also if you go to Egypt you should have an escort to avoid rape.

I’ll go live in Italy and tell them I’m not a Catholic. We can compare notes.

256 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:19:31pm

re: #255 stabby

Again: In order to look at a religion, you need to look at more than just the present. As with almost everything else, context, including historical context, is important.

Why do you think that you can ignore history when analyzing religion?

You keep creating this strawman, where people are claiming Muslim theocratic countries are just peachy. They’re not, and nobody claims that they are. Please stop attacking this strawman.

257 EPR-radar  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:19:40pm

re: #255 stabby

I have to go to work.

But all of you who are convinced that it is a horrible crime to say that Islam is worse than Christianity, you all go live in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or hang out in Nigeria - tell them you’re a Christian or a Jew or an Atheist while you’re at it. Those of you who are women may need constant male escorts, but that’s not a problem is it? I mean there’s nothing inferior about that requirement. Also if you go to Egypt you should have an escort to avoid rape.

I’ll go live in Italy and tell them I’m not a Catholic. We can compare notes.

Giving evidence for #2 of 251 on this thread is not an argument for #1 of 251 of this thread. By your own statement, these are different positions.

Furthermore, you have said that you disagree with #1 of 251 of this thread, so why are you arguing for it right here?

258 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:30:11pm

re: #257 EPR-radar

Giving evidence for #2 of 251 on this thread is not an argument for #1 of 251 of this thread. By your own statement, these are different positions.

Furthermore, you have said that you disagree with #1 of 251 of this thread, so why are you arguing for it right here?

I turned the computer back on to say something but I’ll answer you.

Your #1 is saying “incompatible” which is more absolute than my contention “inferior”. I was defending “inferior” not “incompatible”.

There have been Muslim societies that aren’t so oppressive. Kosovo for instance. Iraqi Kurds perhaps.

259 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:33:42pm

re: #256 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The present is what exists.

Anything else is just potential but it’s not real.

To talk about the nature of something as ephemeral as “a religion” and not care about the present is to be NOT be talking about the state of existing societies. The state of societies is what matters here.

260 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:35:30pm

What I actually came back to say is that you won’t be able to depend on just any male escort when you go to Saudi Arabia. He’ll have to be someone in your family, you know, one of your owners.

261 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:36:22pm

re: #259 stabby

The present is what exists.

Anything else is just potential but it’s not real.

No, Stabby, the past actually is real. It is not potential. It happened.

To talk about the nature of something as ephemeral as “a religion” and not care about the present is to be NOT be talking about the state of existing societies. The state of societies is what matters here.

Why, again, are you lying and claiming I’m saying that don’t care about the present? I am really, really clearly saying you have to analyze the past along with the present.

Why, in a thread accusing me of lying, would you not just lie, but lie in the same exact way I already called you out for?

It’s baffling.

262 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:36:33pm

re: #258 stabby

I turned the computer back on to say something but I’ll answer you.

Your #1 is saying “incompatible” which is more absolute than my contention “inferior”. I was defending “inferior” not “incompatible”.

There have been Muslim societies that aren’t so oppressive. Kosovo for instance. Iraqi Kurds perhaps.

re: #225 stabby

Once again, there’s a difference between few and none.

[snip]

re: #226 stabby

Ie, you don’t attack my ideas, you look for semantic traps. As if when I say that something is not significant, you pretend that into me saying that it doesn’t exist at all, and then you use the minor falshood as an excuse to accuse me of bigotry.

[snip]

263 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:43:53pm

re: #261 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

When you talk about “the past” you’re not saying that Mohammad was once a liberal nor that Islam has a liberal past. You’re just claiming that OTHER religions were bad once too.

So it’s not an argument about the past at all, it’s a claim that if Christianity can improve and Judaism can improve then Islam can improve too.

It is not about “the past happened” it’s about potential for the future.

This shows that you don’t follow your own arguments well enough to defend them. Thus the semantic confusion again.

In any case I’m not optimistic about Islam’s near future. And the past is worse than dismal.

I sort ignore you talking about the past because you’re just making stupid excuses for the present. But if I had pressed you on it, it wouldn’t have been good for you. Islam’s glorious liberal past? Oh God.

264 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:52:33pm

re: #263 stabby

When you talk about “the past” you’re not saying that Mohammad was once a liberal nor that Islam has a liberal past. You’re just claiming that OTHER religions were bad once too.

Well, I think other religions are also bad now, but yeah.

So it’s not an argument about the past at all, it’s a claim that if Christianity can improve and Judaism can improve then Islam can improve too.

You keep referring to “Islam” as though it’s a monolithic block, and it’s really weird. What I’m taking issue with, as I’ve said, is your contention that Islam is the worst major religion and that this badness comes from the text of the Qu’ran and the character of Mohammed. The present state of radical Islam is one of your proofs of this contention— my pointing out the past is part of my disproof of that. It’s this disproof you never address.

It is not about “the past happened” it’s about potential for the future.

This is a pretty incoherent sentence, but again, I’m taking issue with you ignoring the past and saying it’s not relevant when analyzing a religion. You seem like maybe you’re now backtracking on this, for which I’m glad.

I sort ignore you talking about the past because you’re just making stupid excuses for the present. But if I had pressed you on it, it wouldn’t have been good for you. Islam’s glorious liberal past? Oh God.

Islam has, at some places and points in the past, been far more liberal than Christianity. Especially in regards to the Jews. Is this information new to you?

For example, during the time period of the Crusades, Christian Europe was, with very few exceptions, far more hostile to Jews than the Muslim kingdoms.

265 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:00:19pm

re: #264 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

That would have been an interlude centuries AFTER Mohammad got the holy city of Medina by slaughtering all of the male Jewish population of the city and taking the females as slaves.

Tell you what, you go to any of those countries I mentioned, and say you’re a Jew. Half of them won’t even let you in. Saudi Arabia is Judenrein, which probably prevents pograms, given what they teach about Jews.

Antisemitism is part of what is most inferior about Islam in both it’s present form, and, sadly, back when Mohammad was blowing gaskets because the Jews wouldn’t believe he was a prophet.

I’ll tell you what, when Islam stops being the main source of Antisemitism on the planet in that time you find so troublesome acknowledging, the present, I’ll agree with you that it’s not inferior to the others. Actually the position of women is important to me too, but since you don’t mention it, I guess it’s not your thing.

266 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:05:42pm

re: #265 stabby

That would have been an interlude centuries AFTER Mohammad got the holy city of Medina by slaughtering all of the male Jewish population of the city and taking the females as slaves.

Yes, it would be.

Tell you what, you go to any of those countries I mentioned, and say you’re a Jew. Half of them won’t even let you in. Saudi Arabia is Judenrein, which probably prevents pograms, given what they teach about Jews.

Do you remember me asking you to stop attacking the strawman position that the Muslim countries are just peachy? Why do you feel the need to keep doing it?

Antisemitism is part of what is most inferior about Islam in both it’s present form, and, sadly, back when Mohammad was blowing gaskets because the Jews wouldn’t believe he was a prophet.

Christianity has a much deeper history of antisemitism than Islam does. Much. Are you denying this?

I’ll tell you what, when Islam stops being the main source of Antisemitism on the planet in that time you find so troublesome acknowledging, the present, I’ll agree with you that it’s not inferior to the others.

The main source? Maybe. I don’t know, though, there’s a ton of antisemitism in Christian supremacists and Russian Orthodoxy, there’s a ton of antisemitism in Europe in general still. I think it’s absolutely true to say that there’s more antisemitism and a higher rate of it in the Muslim countries, but that antisemitism really isn’t causing the antisemitism in the West.

Actually the position of women is important to me too, but since you don’t mention it, I guess it’s not your thing.

Why would you make such an idiotic assumption?

And again, why did you lie in the exact same way I already called you out on lying? It always weirds me out just how bad you are at this.

267 EPR-radar  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:08:17pm

re: #258 stabby

I turned the computer back on to say something but I’ll answer you.

Your #1 is saying “incompatible” which is more absolute than my contention “inferior”. I was defending “inferior” not “incompatible”.

There have been Muslim societies that aren’t so oppressive. Kosovo for instance. Iraqi Kurds perhaps.

Inferior as compared to what? Presumably Christianity.

But why? The reason we don’t have Christian theocracy in the west is that the votes aren’t there for that.

If your argument is that somehow, inherently, Christianity is less conducive to theocracy than Islam to some significant degree, that’s not an easy argument to make. How can one infer the fraction of theocrats in various societies at various points in time from reading the unchanging texts of Christianity and Islam?

Furthermore, secularization has pretty much always been opposed by religious authorities, both Christian and Muslim. What is it about the religions inherently that makes Christianity more conducive to secularization than Islam?

The most relevant observation I’m aware of on this point is that separation of church and state in Christianity is easier than in Islam because of the persecution of early Christianity by the Romans. At most, this is merely suggestive, since Christianity has also embraced the theocracy/state religion model pretty much whenever possible.

268 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:09:22pm

re: #267 EPR-radar

The most relevant observation I’m aware of on this point is that separation of church and state in Christianity is easier than in Islam because of the persecution of early Christianity by the Romans. At most, this is merely suggestive, since Christianity has also embraced the theocracy/state religion model pretty much whenever possible.

Including the Roman Empire.

269 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:11:13pm

re: #265 stabby

Perhaps you would be interested to know about the fact that there actually was a Jewish Community in the what is Saudi Arabia.

Sadly, when the Saudis took over the Najran Province in 1934, they were purged out, and made refugees in Yemen. The King of Yemen at the time refused to allow the refugees back after King Abdulaziz of Saud demanded they come back. The King of Yemen called them Yemenite Jews.

And Christianity is where much of the Anti-Semitism has come from. Hell, our radicals even use stuff written and spewed by Christian Anti-Semites.

And in regard to Anti-Semitism from the beginning, how about talking about how the whole “People of the Book” thing. Or that the Jewish Group you are speaking of was but one Jewish Tribe, one that was outright hostile. Other groups on the Arabian Peninsula survived, including enclaves of Christians in Najran.

270 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:14:29pm

re: #266 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yes, it would be.

Are you too dumb to get the point? Islam started off with genocidal hatred for Jews and is reverting back toward it. The part in between may not come again.

Do you remember me asking you to stop attacking the strawman position that the Muslim countries are just peachy? Why do you feel the need to keep doing it?

It’s evidence for inferiority. It’s the result of belief, and it’s what actually exists in the real world. Affecting real women and girls.

Christianity has a much deeper history of antisemitism than Islam does. Much. Are you denying this?

Once again you bring up history. I’m not saying that Islam in the 15th century was worse than Christianity inthe 15th century. Why should I give a damn?

Why would you make such an idiotic assumption?

And again, why did you lie in the exact same way I already called you out on lying? It always weirds me out just how bad you are at this.

I keep bringing up women in the last hour and you somehow have nothing to say on that subject. I’m noticing your choice of topics.

271 Tigger2005  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:52:45pm

In the last few hundred thousand years of their evolution, human beings evolved to be a sentient species that could actually think about its feelings and impulses and moderate them. The ability to NOT act blindly on evolutionary impulses, to stop and think, consider consequences, adhere to codes of ethics and morality, choose different courses of action, this is itself part of our evolutionary makeup. We evolved the ability to overcome instinctive behavior through self-awareness and reason. Thus, “nature” is not always the best guide for how we should behave. Of course, wingnuts like Erickson only suggest such a thing when it’s a behavior they agree with. If you tell them that monogamy is not “natural” for humans, they will attack you and the science that supports this. There is no consistency.

272 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:53:50pm

re: #270 stabby

Are you too dumb to get the point? Islam started off with genocidal hatred for Jews and is reverting back toward it. The part in between may not come again.

Oh, I’m sorry, I was actually just assuming you weren’t dumb enough to claim that was your point. Whoops.

Islam didn’t start off with genocidal hatred for the Jews. In fact, in the early history of the spread of Islam, Christians and Jews both sided with Muslism against Byzantines, Persians, and others— especially since the Constitution of Medina granted Jews and Christians under Muslim rule freedom to worship.

Do you not know about the Constitution of Medina? It appears you don’t.

It’s evidence for inferiority. It’s the result of belief, and it’s what actually exists in the real world. Affecting real women and girls.

But nobody is denying that those states are ‘inferior’, so why do you keep jumping up and down about it?

Once again you bring up history. I’m not saying that Islam in the 15th century was worse than Christianity inthe 15th century. Why should I give a damn?

Because you’re making a claim about Islam that’s based in the text and the person of Mohammed, and that claim is testable through history. And history shows that your claim is wrong in many ways— Muslims not taking the Qu’ran ‘literally’, and the general greater liberalness of Muslim kingdoms in history to Jews vs Christians towards Jews.

I keep bringing up women in the last hour and you somehow have nothing to say on that subject. I’m noticing your choice of topics.

Well, I’m trying to stick to the topic, which is your claim that Islam is the worst of all major religions and that it is that way because of the Qu’ran and the character of the Mohammed. You, as usual, keep wanting to talk about other things, because that position isn’t actually a defensible one.

273 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:58:25pm

re: #272 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Oh, I’m sorry, I was actually just assuming you weren’t dumb enough to claim that was your point. Whoops.

Islam didn’t start off with genocidal hatred for the Jews.

Wait, Mohammad slaughtered all of the males in an entire city of Jews, and you claim “Islam didn’t start off with genocidal hatred for Jews?!!!!”

Oh God, that’s dishonesty equivalent to Holocaust denial. That’s filthy.

You can not be talked to.

274 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:59:57pm

There’s also hate speech in the Hadiths that go along with that. Massacre and hate speech.

But it unexists in Obdicut’s world. Inconvenient.

275 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:01:09pm

re: #273 stabby

Wait, Mohammad slaughtered all of the males in an entire city of Jews, and you claim “Islam didn’t start off with genocidal hatred for Jews?!!!!”

Oh God, that’s dishonesty equivalent to Holocaust denial. That’s filthy.

You can not be talked to.

[stabby]Wait, the sons of Jacob slaughtered all of the males in an entire city of Canaan, and you claim “Judaism didn’t start off with genocidal hatred of Canaanites?!!!!”

That’s dishonesty equivalent to Holocaust acknowledgement. That’s filthy.

You can not be talked to.[/stabby]
//

276 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:01:27pm

re: #273 stabby

Wait, Mohammad slaughtered all of the males in an entire city of Jews, and you claim “Islam didn’t start off with genocidal hatred for Jews?!!!!”

Oh God, that’s dishonesty equivalent to Holocaust denial. That’s filthy.

You can not be talked to.

He also drafted the Constitution of Medina, of which you’re apparently ignorant.

And accusing a Jew of something equivalent to Holocaust denial is beyond pathetic. This is just an argument on the internet, dude, stop letting it make you do these shitty things.

277 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:02:45pm

re: #275 Vicious Babushka

I was going to say “Do you think Jews have genocidal hatred of Midianites?” And then I realized that there aren’t any Midianites, ‘cuz, well, yeah.

278 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:21:36pm

Actually taking all of the women and girls slaves, “wives” along with slaughtering their families also counts as genocidal hatred.

Oh but he wrote something nice for them before he killed the men, raped the women and spouted plenty of hate speech including how all of creation cries out for Muslims to stone and hang all of them? Ok, all better then.

Babushka, you’re ok with this sort of denial? Nice friends you’re making these days.

279 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:24:49pm

re: #278 stabby

If everyone else reads something you write and gets a meaning other than you intended, chances are extremely good that the problem is not with everyone else.

But then again, you don’t argue to actually have a legit discussion, you’re just trying to evangelize to the lurkers. So criticism and discussion with an open mind aren’t important.

See, I can ascribe motives and character traits too. Isn’t this game fun?

280 EPR-radar  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:27:24pm

re: #279 klys and whatnot

Also in the realm of speculation, if Jesus Christ had been a tribal leader at war with other tribes, the NT would be significantly more belligerent than it is. The sermon on the mount isn’t going to cut it as a way to rally the troops.

281 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:30:05pm

re: #278 stabby

No, he didn’t ‘write something nice for them’ before doing that. The Constitution of Medina post-dates that, and it’s a document that garuntees rights for Jews and Christians under Muslim rule, freedom to worship. It also imposes taxation and restrictions.

It’s weird that you’d make repeated claims to know a lot about the Middle East and not know about the Constitution of Medina.

282 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:32:30pm

re: #280 EPR-radar

If Jesus Christ had been a tribal leader at war with other tribes then your counter-factual Christianity would inferior to the actually existing Christianity.

Admitting the obvious isn’t so hard. Well it isn’t hard for a more normal crowd.

But here, in this crowd, massacre, calls for genocide, slavery, rape - none of those things rise to the level of “being inferior”.

Since these are the greatest evils that humanity is capable of, it follows that there is absolutely nothing that the mind could conceive of that would be sufficient for Obdicut and the rest of you.

283 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:35:40pm

re: #282 stabby

Okay, so again: All these things are also found in the Tanakh, and Jewish heroes are often genociders, rapists, killers of family members, shit like that. Moreover, it’s directly being commanded by god, often, that genocide occur.

So does that make Judaism inferior to Christianity to you, by this same property you’re asserting for Islam?

284 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:44:27pm

re: #283 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Islam is still preaching genocidal hatred.

I’ve read so many interviews like this:
An Egyptian tells a western reporter that he’s sad that they will have to kill all the Jews. He doesn’t like it, but it’s God’s will.
A Muslim man who lives in Jerusalem has a business, seems friendly toward Jews in his daily life, but confesses to an author that he prays that Iran nukes his country because the Jews deserve death - even though it means the death of everyone he’s ever known and his whole family.
I could continue in this vein for hours.

I’ve had these conversations myself. I’ve talked to a member of Hezbollah, and others.
A man, maybe from Yemen, told me to my face that earthquakes are Allah’s punishment for the evil Jews do. He went on for a while. And that was a few hours after we’d been in a massive earthquake that had collapsed a freeway, caused fires, killed people. He wanted me to know that the solution to this is to kill men like me.
The hatred is mind blowing.

Your argument isn’t that Islam is not inferior, it’s that in theory it could stop being a source of hatred one day. That doesn’t answer me.

Right now, in the real world, Islam is the greatest source for antisemitism.

In the long past, the beliefs then called Judaism and Christianity were horrible too. I’m talking about the present and future.

285 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:45:51pm

re: #284 stabby

Again, your argument and assertion is that this is a callback to the history of it, the conquests by Mohammed, and the actual text of the Qu’ran. Your response didn’t address this.

So again: All these things are also found in the Tanakh, and Jewish heroes are often genociders, rapists, killers of family members, shit like that. Moreover, it’s directly being commanded by god, often, that genocide occur.

So does that make Judaism inferior to Christianity to you, by this same property you’re asserting for Islam?

286 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:49:06pm

re: #285 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You can’t seem to get it out of your head that I’m not interested in the past. When I say inferior I mean NOW. And when I mention the problems in the scripture I see them as obstacles to Islam improving.

Those obstacles are formidable, and many people with Muslim backgrounds don’t believe that they will be overcome. And many Muslims don’t WANT them overcome.

287 EPR-radar  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:50:12pm

re: #282 stabby

If Jesus Christ had been a tribal leader at war with other tribes then your counter-factual Christianity would inferior to the actually existing Christianity.

Admitting the obvious isn’t so hard. Well it isn’t hard for a more normal crowd.

But here, in this crowd, massacre, calls for genocide, slavery, rape - none of those things rise to the level of “being inferior”.

Since these are the greatest evils that humanity is capable of, it follows that there is absolutely nothing that the mind could conceive of that would be sufficient for Obdicut and the rest of you.

Obdicut has made the textual argument, so I’ll make the history point.

I think it is fair to judge both Islam and Christianity mainly by the actions of its followers over time. Talking is easier than doing.

By that standard, how is there an inherent superiority of Christianity over Islam? (this is a trick question, of course)

I believe that much of the human rights progress we have seen in the developed world in the past few centuries is due to secularization and a move away from theocratic models of government. As such, it seems ridiculous to point to the differing levels of respect for human rights in the world as saying anything about Christianity vs. Islam. Especially when we see US wingnuts bitterly resisting this progress and trying to undo it.

Instead, it is evidence that secularism is better than theocracy.

288 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:50:57pm

I’m sitting in my car on the way to work. Must go.

289 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:51:50pm

re: #286 stabby

You can’t seem to get it out of your head that I’m not interested in the past. When I say inferior I mean NOW.

Except that you base your assertion also— as is shown above, by your personal attestation that the Qu-ran is ‘worse’ than the texts of Judaism or Christianity, and the character of the Mohammed. You have outright asserted that the religion itself, not just it’s present form, is worse, and you do so repeatedly. Are you unaware of this?

290 stabby  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:54:49pm

re: #289 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

For God’s sake, you don’t argue in good faith at all!!!!!!!!

No sentence can tell you a whole person’s mind nor can it be absolutely precise. Therefor each sentence will have different information than the previous and make the mental state of the author clearer.

Are you incapable of conversing?

291 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:56:44pm

I’m leaving for work now.

Really.

No, really.

Really really.

Cross my fingers.

292 EPR-radar  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:57:39pm

re: #289 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Except that you base your assertion also— as is shown above, by your personal attestation that the Qu-ran is ‘worse’ than the texts of Judaism or Christianity, and the character of the Mohammed. You have outright asserted that the religion itself, not just it’s present form, is worse, and you do so repeatedly. Are you unaware of this?

A) Present day Islam is dominated by fundamentalist whack jobs in many parts of the world, thereby screwing things up royally and causing massive amounts of suffering.

B) Islam is inherently inferior to Christianity, as demonstrated by the relative success rates of today’s fundamentalist whack jobs in the Islamic and western worlds, and by the worst bits of the recorded Islamic tradition.

A and B here are not synonyms.

293 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:59:56pm

re: #290 stabby

For God’s sake, you don’t argue in good faith at all!!!!!!!!

No sentence can tell you a whole person’s mind nor can it be absolutely precise. Therefor each sentence will have different information than the previous and make the mental state of the author clearer.

Are you incapable of conversing?

I have no idea what this outburst is supposed to relate to. Are you denying that you ever meant the stuff you said about having read the Qu’ran and the Hadiths and compared it and that Islam is worse?

294 Flavia  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:16:58pm

Just tweeted him to fix the economy by paying his fair share, so women could go back into the kitchen. :-) (Ok, I also questioned his parentage, but, y’know…)

295 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:23:04pm

Men should be the breadwinners! It’s science!
Whites are superior! It’s science!
Something intelligent designed all life on Earth! It’s science!
Islam is the worst religion evah! It’s science!
Homosexuality is just a bad habit! It’s science!
Hitler was gay! It’s science!

But,
Global warming is a hoax.
We never landed on the moon.
Fluoride kills.
Evolution is a religion.

Science is only right when they agree with it.

296 Thorzdad  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 4:58:06am

Soooo…If Erickson believes that men should be the breadwinners and women stay home with the kids, it should follow that he also believes men should be paid, at the minimum, a living wage, right? Right?

*crickets*


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