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1 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 31, 2013 8:11:56pm

Excellent: #exposePP

2 Stanghazi  Fri, May 31, 2013 8:15:19pm

This takes me down the notches I need to go. Thanks CJ.

3 PhillyPretzel  Fri, May 31, 2013 8:16:05pm

beautiful.

4 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 31, 2013 8:17:28pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Excellent: #exposePP

In most places exposing one’s ‘PP’ is illegal. ;)

5 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 31, 2013 8:53:58pm

I’ve I mentioned I have become very attached to the Doctor’s newest companion?

6 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 31, 2013 8:55:59pm

And, what is the damage report in the OKC Metro?

7 andres  Fri, May 31, 2013 9:25:23pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Excellent: #exposePP

Lemme guess, it started as a RW meme?



Seems like it is been flooded in the other direction:



And some flood that I’m not so sure where it comes from:


8 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 31, 2013 9:25:53pm

re: #6 ProTARDISLiberal

Swede

Click the link guys; Its SFW and you’ll like it.

9 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 31, 2013 9:27:00pm

re: #7 andres

Those last two are just satire IMO. Although with Twitter one can never be certain.

10 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 31, 2013 9:29:19pm

re: #7 andres

Lemme guess, it started as a RW meme?

I love the one of the woman with her daughter. Totally pwns those who act like all PP does is tell women to get abortions. The asswipes don’t see the operative phrase here and always has been “pro-choice.” Anyhow, glad to see people fighting back the pathetic attacks on a good organization.

11 Targetpractice  Fri, May 31, 2013 9:31:17pm

re: #7 andres

Lemme guess, it started as a RW meme?

Really have gotten tired of this “fungible” BS. Here’s one for these jackholes: Medicaid, food stamps, and other forms of welfare free up dollars Wal-Mart would otherwise have to spend on its employees to pay to its execs.

13 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 31, 2013 9:36:07pm

You know what’s pathetic and I say this as a guy but hearing dudes claim there’s a war on men and totally dismissing the very real inequalities that women face in our society. So sick of hearing about how it’s so hard being a male in this society especially a white one. We got it easy. People don’t attack us when one of ours commits an act of terror like what happens with Muslims. Politicians aren’t out to limit something that has been affirmed as constitutional by the USSC. We at least us straight guys aren’t being told that we can’t marry the women we love.

14 Amory Blaine  Fri, May 31, 2013 9:53:58pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

One Walmart’s Low Wages Could Cost Taxpayers $900,000 Per Year, House Dems Find

Walmart wages are so low that many of its workers rely on food stamps and other government aid programs to fulfill their basic needs, a reality that could cost taxpayers as much as $900,000 at just one Walmart Supercenter in Wisconsin, according to a study released by Congressional Democrats on Thursday.

Though the study assumes that most workers who qualify for the public assistance programs do take advantage of them, it injects a potent data point into a national debate about the minimum wage at a time when many Walmart and fast food workers are mounting strikes in pursuit of higher wages.

The study uses Medicaid data released in Wisconsin to piece together the annual cost to taxpayers for providing a host of social safety net programs, including food stamps and publicly subsidized health care, to workers at one Supercenter in the state.

According to the report, Walmart had more workers enrolled in the state’s public health care program in the last quarter of last year than any other employer, with 3,216 people enrolled. When the dependents of those workers were factored in, the number of enrollees came to 9,207.

15 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 31, 2013 9:59:27pm

re: #14 Amory Blaine

One Walmart’s Low Wages Could Cost Taxpayers $900,000 Per Year, House Dems Find

Honestly it should be in a company’s interest to provide good benefits to their employees. That’s part of the reason why Costco is not only a successful company but a popular place to work too.

16 Kragar  Fri, May 31, 2013 10:24:04pm

MST3K Shorts - Century 21 Calling

Youtube Video

The 21st century of phones, as pictured in the 60s

17 Varek Raith  Fri, May 31, 2013 10:31:52pm

re: #16 Kragar

Youtube Video

18 freetoken  Fri, May 31, 2013 10:32:06pm

Working on my family tree… I discover I have a 1st cousin 3x removed who was given the name “Arizona”. This was back in the 19th century. The family were probably fashion-forward, if I understand that term correctly.

19 Kragar  Fri, May 31, 2013 10:39:04pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

MST3K - The Chicken of Tomorrow

Youtube Video

20 Varek Raith  Fri, May 31, 2013 10:41:16pm

re: #16 Kragar

Man that was bad.

21 Kragar  Fri, May 31, 2013 10:43:46pm

re: #20 Varek Raith

Man that was bad.

Soon, we’ll be able to make phone calls using plastic cards to hold the number!

22 Varek Raith  Fri, May 31, 2013 10:50:15pm

re: #19 Kragar

…
Why am I watching this…?

23 Kragar  Fri, May 31, 2013 10:53:25pm

re: #22 Varek Raith

…
Why am I watching this…?

To be ready for the future.

Designs for the Future

Youtube Video

24 dragonath  Fri, May 31, 2013 10:53:52pm

Look, Fellows! Grit magazine is still in business!

25 Kragar  Fri, May 31, 2013 11:08:56pm

Some good news.

The guy who was looking at Tau says he might try Necron instead.

Hope springs eternal.

26 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 31, 2013 11:41:43pm

evening all!

27 klys and whatnot  Fri, May 31, 2013 11:44:54pm

Catching up on Mythbusters before I leave (again) tomorrow.

Ugh, I don’t want to pack.

28 freetoken  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:35:09am

re: #19 Kragar

What I noticed is that the chicken in that oven roaster is so much skinnier than today’s fattened, drugged birds.

29 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:43:54am

Bach to the Future

nice, i like the counterpoint and the piece is interesting

but not bach, actually, as far as i know

also his phrasing is a little squared off for my taste

30 freetoken  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 1:36:59am

All these futuristic films - the future is rushing towards us… “Time, Forward!” (by G. Sviridov):

MP3 Audio

31 freetoken  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 1:38:02am

I see we don’t haz embedded mp3 player no more.

32 freetoken  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 2:56:51am

I’m beginning to really not like Soundcloud. It seems they keep trying to make the interface simpler, and to do that they are taking away the ability to search.

It’s not obvious on how one can search for a string and filter the results by music tags, for instance.

I suspect it’s about trying to shape the users’ choices down to whatever the powers that be want to be heard.

And if you try to switch back to the “old” (and superior) interface and try to do a search, this is what it gives me:

Sorry, search is currently not available. Please try again.

Anyway, for a quiet late night, let’s test if the soundcloud embed is working:

SoundCloud

33 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:02:18am

Something weird to read this morning: Florida man acquitted via ‘Stand Your Ground’ after shooting wife’s lover

34 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:04:42am

He’s 70. His wife is 41. Her lover was 32. She claims to be a “blackout drunk” and “didn’t remember bringing anyone home to get laid with. He comes back home to find them fucking in his bed and he shoots him alleging he thought her lover was rapist. He stood his ground. They went to Waffle House.

35 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:06:54am

re: #34 Gus

He’s 70. His wife is 41. Her lover was 32. She claims to be a “blackout drunk” and “didn’t remember bringing anyone home to get laid with. He comes back home to find them fucking in his bed and he shoots him alleging he thought her lover was rapist. He stood his ground. They went to Waffle House.

so again I must ask: What the hell is it about Florida?

36 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:08:08am

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

so again I must ask: What the hell is it about Florida?

It’s in the water waffles.

37 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:09:12am

New rules! You now get to find your wife screwing your best friend in your bed and you get to shoot him to death claiming you thought he was raping your wife.

38 Flounder  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:11:15am

That would drive me nutz, having long fingernails on one hand and short on the other. Maybe they are half vampires. That’s all I got, good morning lizards!

39 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:13:17am

re: #38 Flounder

Since I am right handed my nails on that hand are shorter than those on the left hand.

40 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:13:20am

That kind of ruins a lot of movie plots.

41 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:16:04am

It was raining and the darkest of nights. The wind was howling and I was on the side of the road fixing my flat tire. Suddenly, I was approached by a strange man who appeared threatening. I had no choice but to pull out my revolver and shot him 3 times. The man later died in hospital.

He was there about to offer help to the man to fix his flat tire.

This story isn’t real. But it happened in Florida.

42 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:16:27am

“Can I help you fix your…”

BLAM!

Florida.

43 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:16:34am

Looks like Erdogan has doubled down on stupid, saying the park isn’t that big a deal, and that this an overblown issue and he has planted trees elsewhere.

I don’t think he grasps the situation he is in yet.

44 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:16:52am

re: #37 Gus

New rules! You now get to find your wife screwing your best friend in your bed and you get to shoot him to death claiming you thought he was raping your wife.

Don’t worry, there’s no problem with pushing gun ownership on people who really don’t need guns in this country so everything will be fine, this is an isolated incident.

45 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:17:47am
46 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:18:34am

re: #44 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Don’t worry, there’s no problem with pushing gun ownership on people who really don’t need guns in this country so everything will be fine, this is an isolated incident.

Happiness, is a warm gun.

47 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:19:28am

re: #45 ProTARDISLiberal

Shades of Byzantium.

48 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:20:03am

There’s someone outside our tent! Do something Harold! Do something!

BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!

Some drunk guy stumbling about the campground taking a pee.

But hey, you never know right?

49 Flounder  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:20:09am

Hey, I got an idea, let’s go chase a tornado!
weather.com

Uh oh, were are not in Kansas anymore!

50 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:20:32am

re: #47 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Exactly what I thought.

The Nikos Riots in reverse.

51 Flounder  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:21:54am

re: #34 Gus

We should ban alcohol!!!!

52 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:23:23am

re: #48 Gus

Not to mention that this means that there was a gun in the house with an alcoholic, anyway. And will probably still continue to be. That’s a great idea.

53 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:23:50am

re: #51 Flounder

lol. That was tried earlier. It was called Prohibition.

54 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:25:08am

re: #52 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Not to mention that this means that there was a gun in the house with an alcoholic, anyway. And will probably still continue to be. That’s a great idea.

Here’s a Daily Mail article on this. For the pics.

55 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:26:18am
Wald called 911 and said he had killed Conley after he caught him ‘fornicating’ with his 41-year-old wife, according to police.

Flores testified during the trial that she was drunk on cognac and could remember almost nothing from that night.

Conley’s relatives, who were in court to hear the verdict, could be seen silently weeping when Wald was acquitted. Afterwards, one family member said he was disappointed by the outcome of the trial, the station WTSP reported.

Flores lived with Conley before she married Wald five months last year. She is Wald’s fifth wife.

Ms Flores was arrested last October - just two weeks before she and Wald were married - for allegedly firing a shot of Conley.

She said he came over and refused to leave. Conley told police Flores invited him back to the home they used to share.

She and Conley, who had a record of petty thefts and worked as a laborer, had shared a house next door to Wald in the community of Brandon.

Flores allegedly shot at Conley at 3am on October 19. She and Wald were dating then and he bailed her out of jail. Those charges were later dropped.

Ms Flores and Wald married on October 25.

Wald, a U.S. Army veteran, has a 20-year-old daughter with a previous wife.

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56 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:26:45am

Ms Flores was arrested last October - just two weeks before she and Wald were married - for allegedly firing a shot [at] Conley.

57 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:26:49am

re: #54 Gus

Here’s a Daily Mail article on this. For the pics.

‘If the same thing happened again, I would do the same thing,’ Wald said. ‘I didn’t think I did anything wrong.’
He then added: ‘I had a problem, I found someone raping my wife. I took care of it. I got a gun and I shot him.

Wow. And I assume he gets to keep his gun. The guy was his wife’s lover, not raping her, and he’s somehow convinced himself that he was. Or that he legitimately believed it.

What a terrible human being.

58 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:27:08am

So she tried to kill the man her husband ended up killing last October.

59 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:27:51am

re: #58 Gus

The plot thickens.

60 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:28:13am

re: #57 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Wow. And I assume he gets to keep his gun. The guy was his wife’s lover, not raping her, and he’s somehow convinced himself that he was. Or that he legitimately believed it.

What a terrible human being.

Like I said when I opened up. Weird. What a weird story. What a bunch of weird people.

61 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:28:35am

re: #58 Gus

So she tried to kill the man her husband ended up killing last October.

and she brought that same man home and fucked him in the same room that her veteran husband slept with, apparently, a loaded gun.

62 Flounder  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:29:22am

Dammit, now I want waffles for breffist and I am making grits.
:(

63 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:29:55am

re: #61 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

and she brought that same man home and fucked him in the same room that her veteran husband slept with, apparently, a loaded gun.

The husband no doubt knew who was in that bed. The just used the stand your ground defense, well, because. The part about him thinking he was raping her sounds like total BS.

64 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:32:48am

re: #63 Gus

Yep. But probably impossible to prove in court.

65 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:36:26am

re: #19 Kragar

MST3K - The Chicken of Tomorrow

Any film like that stands on its own unintentionally comedic merits without any addtional MST3K treatment.

I think the best MST3K episode, by lightyears, was “Mitchell”.

66 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:38:23am

re: #64 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yep. But probably impossible to prove in court.

Man. Home. Castle. Caveman laws and morals for cavepeople.

67 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:42:12am

Huh. Apparently, Doctor Who is banned in the PRC.

68 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:42:27am

Another person in my dad’s generation, an older family friend, passed away. At 82, he’d had a good run, but it still feels fundamentally unfair.

He was a great guy, with five kids that he somehow gave individual attention to; they all turned out great. He was a veteran, serving quietly and never speaking much to anyone that I know of about what he did, saying it ‘wasn’t much’, but I know he was front-line infantry in Korea. He marched in the Civil Rights marches, he worked at a house for veterans that were having a lot of trouble readjusting. He was a generous and kind man.

His main opposition to lax gun ownership was the large number of his vets that he’d had shoot themselves. Those that took pills, the second most common form of suicide attempt, they were usually able to save. Those that tried to hang themselves often failed. But the gun suicides almost always succeeded, and it broke his heart every time.

It’s so hard not to compare him to people like this asshole and his asshole wife and just hate them for being alive while he is dead. But that’s the universe.

69 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:43:07am

re: #65 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I think Space Mutiny.

70 Bulworth  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:43:59am

RWNJ school board officials have a thing about the FLOTUS

huffingtonpost.com

Hey, I didn’t write these emails I just forwarded them along!!

71 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:44:23am

re: #66 Gus

There’s a reason it’s Florida: America’s Wang.

I’ve lived in both Gainesville and Coral Springs. I liked the people I met in Gainesville (college town, lots of different people from different places), but there was nothing to keep me there. Coral Springs was awful, you couldn’t pay me to live there again. My inlaws are in Ft Lauderdale, they love it there. I’ll visit, but not for long.

I’d rather go to the west coast or NE to live or vacation.

72 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:46:54am

Anyone heard from Hoops yet? I’m keeping very happy thoughts that he and Winston are doing alright.

73 Flounder  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:48:33am

Since we are on the Florida kick, anyone see CCA around?

74 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:51:30am

re: #72 A Mom Anon

Anyone heard from Hoops yet? I’m keeping very happy thoughts that he and Winston are doing alright.

It wasn’t nearly as bad as I’d feared out there, so I’m hopeful Hoops is fine.

75 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:54:09am

re: #73 Flounder

Since we are on the Florida kick, anyone see CCA around?

He quit. Last post included “thanks for all the fish” and then he never came back.

76 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:55:42am

re: #75 Gus

Dignified exits should get some sort of medal.

77 Flounder  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 5:56:23am

re: #75 Gus

Shit, I really enjoyed his banter in the morning.

78 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:04:30am

re: #77 Flounder

Shit, I really enjoyed his banter in the morning.

Yeah, I was kind of surprised he just split like that. Guess it was all the election year pressure.

79 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:08:50am
80 Flounder  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:20:56am

Just so that you know, if you get caught in New York texting and driving, its five points on you license, 11 points and you lose your driving privilege.


timesunion.com

I believe that hold you phone while driving is enough to warrant a texting ticket.

81 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:22:52am

re: #80 Flounder

Good.

82 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:25:18am

re: #79 Gus

Bad.

83 Flounder  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:28:16am

Mel Brooks fans may like this

blog.timesunion.com

I was giggling the whole way thru!

I will have to remember to re-post this tomorrow for Alouette

84 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:30:06am

re: #82 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Bad.

Don’t worry. If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about. //

85 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:49:17am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

You know what’s pathetic and I say this as a guy but hearing dudes claim there’s a war on men and totally dismissing the very real inequalities that women face in our society. So sick of hearing about how it’s so hard being a male in this society especially a white one. We got it easy. People don’t attack us when one of ours commits an act of terror like what happens with Muslims. Politicians aren’t out to limit something that has been affirmed as constitutional by the USSC. We at least us straight guys aren’t being told that we can’t marry the women we love.

Straight White Male explained in gaming terms. Specifically, it’s the easy setting.

86 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:49:55am

In which I ponder making more coffee.

87 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:51:29am

re: #85 Romantic Heretic

Straight White Male explained in gaming terms. Specifically, it’s the easy setting.

As written by a straight white male. //

88 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:52:09am

Image: 220px-John_Scalzi.jpg

89 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:52:26am

I find that, ironic.

More coffee!

90 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:00:14am

The new White Wolf Kickstarterd-funded pen-and-paper RPG game “Exalted” has, among other things, an illustrated comic featuring a 12 year old girl being gangraped. It also has a lot of spells allowing characters to rape people. The player characters are also expected, in the adventure involving her, to participate in the gang-rape of the 12 year old.

I get how maybe one guy alone in his basement could come up with this shit, but this is an office of people going to work every day.

“Hey, Kevin, great work on that picture of a 12 year old crying as she’s forcibly sodomized. Coffee fresh?”

They’ll probably get their Kickstarter fully funded, too.

91 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:00:33am

I’m always leery of people that have 100s of pictures of themselves.

92 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:03:31am

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

so again I must ask: What the hell is it about Florida?

The man not only claimed the man he shot was raping his wife, but he is also a retired Army Lieutenant Colonel. Military retirees often get additional consideration from juries in pro-military areas.

93 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:04:13am

Cat on the table!

94 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:07:44am

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

The man not only claimed the man he shot was raping his wife, but he is also a retired Army Lieutenant Colonel. Military retirees often get additional consideration from juries in pro-military areas.

OJ Simpson won the Heisman. Heisman Trophy winners also get additional consideration in trials.

Mornin’ everyone.

95 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:08:15am

re: #90 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The new White Wolf Kickstarterd-funded pen-and-paper RPG game “Exalted” has, among other things, an illustrated comic featuring a 12 year old girl being gangraped. It also has a lot of spells allowing characters to rape people. The player characters are also expected, in the adventure involving her, to participate in the gang-rape of the 12 year old.

I get how maybe one guy alone in his basement could come up with this shit, but this is an office of people going to work every day.

“Hey, Kevin, great work on that picture of a 12 year old crying as she’s forcibly sodomized. Coffee fresh?”

They’ll probably get their Kickstarter fully funded, too.

How does someone sleep after creating a game like that?

Moreover, who would want to play it? I ask because I know a fair number of gamers and none that I know well would touch this piece of crap. Nor would the game stores I frequent sell it or allow it to be played there.

96 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:08:38am

re: #93 Gus

Cat on the table!

Roll up the newspaper!

97 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:09:27am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Roll up the newspaper!

Nope. He’s almost sitting my left hand. Tail is draped over my left hand.

98 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:10:10am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Roll up the newspaper!

Great, now I have an image of Gus throwing a 27” monitor at the cat on the table.

99 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:10:45am

re: #97 Gus

Nope. He’s almost sitting my left hand. Tail is draped over my left hand.

Ooh…you’re getting butt-loved.

100 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:17:49am

re: #90 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

They’ll probably get their Kickstarter fully funded, too.

7 days left, $511,000 pledged on a $60,000 goal…

101 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:20:46am

re: #99 darthstar

Ooh…you’re getting butt-loved.

Musk rat Cat butt love. //

102 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:21:24am

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

How does someone sleep after creating a game like that?

Moreover, who would want to play it? I ask because I know a fair number of gamers and none that I know well would touch this piece of crap. Nor would the game stores I frequent sell it or allow it to be played there.

Yeah, that’s what I don’t get. Okay, so you’re RPing that you’ve ensorcelled some woman and you’re fucking her. It’s rape, but whatever, you’re a shithead and you don’t care. But still, the person sitting across the table from you is another dude. The smell of cheetos is in the air. How is this pleasurable?

103 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:25:02am

Then again, I never understood circle-jerks, either. I walked home from a Boy Scouts camping trip once because everyone in the tent was like “Okay, it’s time for the circle jerk now” and I was like “What’s that?” and they said “We all jerk off together while looking at porn” and I said, “I just remembered I have a lot of Latin homework” and walked five miles home. I wasn’t creeped out or afraid, I just knew 100% I really didn’t want to sit around with a bunch of dudes jacking off, nor did I want to take a walk in the forest and walk back and be like “All done? Has the circle been jerked?”

The walk home was actually really nice and I remember it happily. A very clear night, lots of starlight and moonlight, in Connecticut in the fall.

104 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:25:57am

re: #102 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, that’s what I don’t get. Okay, so you’re RPing that you’ve ensorcelled some woman and you’re fucking her. It’s rape, but whatever, you’re a shithead and you don’t care. But still, the person sitting across the table from you is another dude. The smell of cheetos is in the air. How is this pleasurable?

I’m sure the excuse is that they’re “exploring dark themes” since that’s the usual crap they used when romanticising the horror themes of all the other main White Wolf games. Mortals count for nothing in WW and exist for fun & food…

No, I never could get into VtM or any of the rest of their dreck though I did try Exalted 1st ed once - bought used & sold quickly. Not an inspiring world to put it nicely.

105 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:29:59am

re: #104 William Barnett-Lewis

A friend of mine ran the only White Wolf campaign I ever found interesting. The characters were all mortal except for one very weak vampire, and they killed the shit out of those fiends. I never played with them but I hung out once while they did and it was actually really entertaining. I thought that’s how it was supposed to be played and then when I ran into the ennui types playing as the vampires I was like “But that’s easy mode”.

106 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:30:08am

re: #102 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, that’s what I don’t get. Okay, so you’re RPing that you’ve ensorcelled some woman and you’re fucking her. It’s rape, but whatever, you’re a shithead and you don’t care. But still, the person sitting across the table from you is another dude. The smell of cheetos is in the air. How is this pleasurable?

I guess it could perhaps be intended for losers, allowing them to role-play a misogynistic rape-fantasy. Not all gaming is harmless, I must remember.

107 Lidane  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:31:25am

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

Two words: Custer’s Revenge

Misogynist shit in gaming isn’t new, unfortunately.

108 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:32:59am

re: #102 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, that’s what I don’t get. Okay, so you’re RPing that you’ve ensorcelled some woman and you’re fucking her. It’s rape, but whatever, you’re a shithead and you don’t care. But still, the person sitting across the table from you is another dude. The smell of cheetos is in the air. How is this pleasurable?

I don’t remember there being any fucking in Dungeons & Dragons…though I only played it once and thought the whole “I throw down my shield card!”/roll some 17 sided die/”Oh, you bastard!” exchange to be pretty boring and only lasted about an hour before I totally lost interest.

109 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:33:20am

re: #105 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

A friend of mine ran the only White Wolf campaign I ever found interesting. The characters were all mortal except for one very weak vampire, and they killed the shit out of those fiends. I never played with them but I hung out once while they did and it was actually really entertaining. I thought that’s how it was supposed to be played and then when I ran into the ennui types playing as the vampires I was like “But that’s easy mode”.

Did the ennui types look like this?:

Image: South_Park_Vampire_kids.png

110 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:33:58am

re: #107 Lidane

Two words: Custer’s Revenge

Misogynist shit in gaming isn’t new, unfortunately.

I know, but I still don’t have to like it.

111 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:34:30am

Some Denver Comic Con attendees complain about hours-long waits

Oh the humanity! [Sniff]

Warning. The bozos have the video there on auto-play. In case you have a data plan limit.

112 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:34:38am

re: #103 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Then again, I never understood circle-jerks, either. I walked home from a Boy Scouts camping trip once because everyone in the tent was like “Okay, it’s time for the circle jerk now” and I was like “What’s that?” and then said “We all jerk off together while looking at porn” and I said, “I just remembered I have a lot of Latin homework” and walked five miles home. I wasn’t creeped out or afraid, I just knew 100% I really didn’t want to sit around with a bunch of dudes jacking off, nor did I want to take a walk in the forest and walk back and be like “All done? Has the circle been jerked?”

The walk home was actually really nice and I remember it happily. A very clear night, lots of starlight and moonlight, in Connecticut in the fall.

So this is what I missed out on when I dropped out of Scouting after Cub Scouts. Can’t say I’m sorry.

113 Lidane  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:36:40am

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

I know, but I still don’t have to like it.

No one should like it. However, as long as there’s a market for it these games will be made. Unfortunately.

114 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:37:42am

re: #112 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

So this is what I missed out on when I dropped out of Scouting after Cub Scouts. Can’t say I’m sorry.

This is why the whole ‘gay scouts’ debate has always been funny to me.

Is the problem that the gay scouts would enjoy the circle jerks just too much?

115 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:38:53am

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Hey, I used to wear one of these.

Image: prongcollar.jpg

116 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:39:49am

re: #114 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This is why the whole ‘gay scouts’ debate has always been funny to me.

Is the problem that the gay scouts would enjoy the circle jerks just too much?

So that’s how they get all those merit badges to stick to their shirts…I always thought they sewed.

117 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:40:45am

re: #115 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Hey, I used to wear one of these.

Image: prongcollar.jpg

But only for training.

118 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:41:03am

re: #116 darthstar

So that’s how they get all those merit badges to stick to their shirts…I always thought they sewed.

Ew!

SMACK!

119 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:46:50am

Oddly chilly and damp morning. For a second there I almost though I smelled garlic. Wrong state.

120 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:47:43am

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

My BIL sews his and so do my nephews. :)

121 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:48:15am

Right now, the people I am seeing who are trying to be apologists for the AKP are essentially saying that the economy is good, so there should be no protests, and the opposition is trying to gin up protests and overthrow the state.

Simpletons. There are more important things than money.

122 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:48:53am

re: #119 Gus

Oddly chilly and damp morning. For a second there I almost though I smelled garlic. Wrong state.

Bright and sunny here…birds chirping outside the window. Your basic fucking gorgeous day.

123 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:49:49am

re: #122 darthstar

Hazy, Hot and Humid. Classic Philly summer. yuck.

124 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:51:57am

re: #112 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

So this is what I missed out on when I dropped out of Scouting after Cub Scouts. Can’t say I’m sorry.

All Scouts was about was giving the bullies another shot at me. I didn’t stay long.

125 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:52:07am

Next year is going to be interesting:

The Law on Presidential Elections accepted and put into effect on 20 January 2012 decided that presidential elections will be held in 2014 instead of 2012; within 60 days following the end of the seven-year term of incumbent President of Turkey Abdullah Gül whom will be the last indirectly elected President of Turkey. It is decided in the same law that former Presidents; Kenan Evren, Süleyman Demirel, Ahmet Necdet Sezer and incumbent Abdullah Gül cannot be nominated for a second term. Also, the Prime Minister of Turkey can be nominated for the presidency without having to resign from his post, although the former provision has been taken to the Constitutional Court. The presidential elections campaign will be held in an “American Manner”, where candidates can accept personal donations for their campaigns, however one person can not donate more than 8.259 TL (4.543 USD) for a campaign

126 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:52:38am

re: #122 darthstar

Bright and sunny here…birds chirping outside the window. Your basic fucking gorgeous day.

Cloudy here to boot. Still chilly. That might explain my urge for moar coffee.

127 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 7:54:15am

re: #121 ProTARDISLiberal

Right now, the people I am seeing who are trying to be apologists for the AKP are essentially saying that the economy is good, so there should be no protests, and the opposition is trying to gin up protests and overthrow the state.

Simpletons. There are more important things than money.

True, but this is a bad time for protests. With things in Syria still horrific and the Sunni-Shia flare-up in Iraq, unrest in Turkey could well set the whole region on fire. It might be wise for the protestors to back off.

128 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:02:50am

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

If Erdogan is as modern as he says he is, he will allow for the protests. If he wasn’t such a corrupt twatwaffle, this wouldn’t have happened in the first place. He was essentially selling off a park to developers who helped him and his party.

On 16 September 2011, the assembly of the Beyoğlu Municipality enacted to rebuild the structure; although the area falls within the purview of green space protection ordinances, development interests are exploiting statutes protecting historic structures in order to subjugate those protections; the rebuilt barracks is intended to be a shopping center. As of the time of the decision, no surviving portion of the barracks exist on site.

People should not subordinate themselves to other nations. Norway had the right idea. They may be close allies with Turkey, but they also were doing broadcasts into the country detailing the protests. In essence, I believe we should be Scandinavian on this. Allies with nations, but quite willing to call them on bullshit. The US should try to be more like Scandinavia.

129 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:04:14am

There are some pretty awesome Roman ruins on Libya’s coast. Man, I’d love to go check these out…the theatres and the Arena are especially impressive.

theatlantic.com

Here’s the Arena to pique your interst:
Image: s_l23_00008417.jpg

130 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:05:35am

re: #129 darthstar

I certainly plan on it myself.

131 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:08:00am
132 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:09:09am

re: #128 ProTARDISLiberal

If Erdogan is as modern as he says he is, he will allow for the protests. If he wasn’t such a corrupt twatwaffle, this wouldn’t have happened in the first place. He was essentially selling off a park to developers who helped him and his party.

People should not subordinate themselves to other nations. Norway had the right idea. They may be close allies with Turkey, but they also were doing broadcasts into the country detailing the protests. In essence, I believe we should be Scandinavian on this. Allies with nations, but quite willing to call them on bullshit. The US should try to be more like Scandinavia.

About the actual catalyst issue, I’m with the protestors. Like my father, the idea of turning a park into a shopping mall pisses me off. The fact that its part of a corrupt political bargain angers me even more*. I just worry about things getting out of hand, is all. It seems clear to me the project should be canceled, and the destroyed trees replaced.

*: I omit my customary calling of such a bargain “Chicago-style”, because such a removal of a park in favor of a shopping mall would not have been allowed in Chicago at any point in my lifetime.

133 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:10:53am

re: #129 darthstar

There are some pretty awesome Roman ruins on Libya’s coast. Man, I’d love to go check these out…the theatres and the Arena are especially impressive.

theatlantic.com

Here’s the Arena to pique your interst:
Image: s_l23_00008417.jpg

“Are you not entertained? Is that not why you are here?!”

/Sorry, but I can’t look at that arena pic and not think of Gladiator.

134 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:11:41am

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

/Sorry, but I can’t look at that arena pic and not think of Gladiator.

Have you ever thought about becoming a boy scout?
//

135 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:11:54am

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

The scale of corruption here is similar to The Gilded Age and the Mob Era.

136 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:12:32am

Many people should not have a gun in the house. I think I just read about some that should have had no gun, no knives and nothing that could be used as a club either.

137 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:14:14am

Erdogan is so out of touch, he needs a telephone to communicate with his arse.

138 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:14:29am

re: #136 Political Atheist

Many people should not have a gun in the house. I think I just read about some that should have had no gun, no knives and nothing that could be used as a club either.

Or alcohol.

139 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:15:51am

re: #135 ProTARDISLiberal

The scale of corruption here is similar to The Gilded Age and the Mob Era.

No, its actually worse than 1920’s era Chicago, at least in terms of the ‘asshole factor’. The Outfit would not have tried this, Al Capone being more inclined to pay for a playground at a park than try to use the park for a land deal. Granted, he did such things to buy public support, but he still knew better than to pull the sort of thing Erdogren is pulling. So congrats, Er-dog, you’re a biggest asshole than Al Capone.

140 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:15:52am

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

About the actual catalyst issue, I’m with the protestors. Like my father, the idea of turning a park into a shopping mall pisses me off. The fact that its part of a corrupt political bargain angers me even more*. I just worry about things getting out of hand, is all. It seems clear to me the project should be canceled, and the destroyed trees replaced.

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

True, but this is a bad time for protests. With things in Syria still horrific and the Sunni-Shia flare-up in Iraq, unrest in Turkey could well set the whole region on fire. It might be wise for the protestors to back off.

The judgment of whether it’s a bad time for the protests will be made on an entirely local basis. If Turks see an opportunity to stop or reverse the slide to theocracy that they’ve been in, they aren’t going to let it pass because of how it might affect Syria. And it just might help things in Syria. Who knows?

141 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:16:40am

re: #138 Gus

These are the kind of incidents that argue for prohibition. (Not that I want that) We have data for alcohol and car crashes, everybody gets tested. Domestic disputes not so much as everyone is allowed to be drunk at home.

142 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:21:25am

re: #141 Political Atheist

These are the kind of incidents that argue for prohibition. (Not that I want that) We have data for alcohol and car crashes, everybody gets tested. Domestic disputes not so much as everyone is allowed to be drunk at home.

Which incidents?

143 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:22:37am

A couple month ago, there was an article in the Atlantic about Abdullah II of Jordan. There were comments in the article about Abdullah II not trusting Erdogan or the Muslim Brotherhood.

Hey Abdullah? Right on both counts. Alot.

144 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:25:08am

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

Drunken shootings, stabbings and fights at home. Like Gus #34 above

145 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:27:58am

It’s morning.

how is it by you?

146 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:28:34am

re: #144 Political Atheist

Drunken shootings, stabbings and fights at home. Like Gun #34 above

But he’s ex-military and was just shooting a rapist off his wife. Happens all the time. People, I tell ya…they do the darndest things.

147 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:29:06am

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

It’s good. And yours?

148 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:32:59am

re: #144 Political Atheist

Drunken shootings, stabbings and fights at home. Like Gus #34 above

The husband wasn’t drunk, it was his wife who was drunk at the time her lover was shot.

149 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:33:08am

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

It’s morning.

how is it by you?

Pretty good. May get a dip in the pool after lunch. Tired of stupidity though.

150 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:34:27am

re: #70 Bulworth

RWNJ school board officials have a thing about the FLOTUS

huffingtonpost.com

According to NBC12, one of the emails DeGroft sent to colleagues depicted bare-breasted, African female warriors along with the caption, “Michelle Obama’s high school reunion.” Another message claimed the first lady was paid $50 to model in National Geographic.

what freakin’ decade does this man live in? 1950? Since when do young ‘uns look at the National Geographic to see boobs?

151 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:34:36am

re: #141 Political Atheist

It’s really quite possible this guy and his wife just straight up murdered the dude. He wasn’t drunk.

152 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:36:01am

Universal language:

153 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:37:06am

re: #100 William Barnett-Lewis

7 days left, $511,000 pledged on a $60,000 goal…

could link it on fb, get the word out.

154 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:37:20am

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

The husband wasn’t drunk, it was his wife who was drunk at the time her lover was shot.

Or so she claims. My guess is she broke the ‘just don’t bring them home’ rule.

155 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:38:25am

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

what freakin’ decade does this man live in? 1950? Since when do young ‘uns look at the National Geographic to see boobs?

The idea was to depict Michelle Obama (and by extension black people in general) as ‘primitive natives’. It’s classic racism, lewd and utterly hateful.

156 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:39:29am

re: #154 darthstar

She also fired a shot at the guy— her lover— before. It’s all another fucked-up slice of Americana.

One of the reasons why being a good interrogator is a key cop skill is because if two people work together to commit a crime like this (if it is a crime), if they keep their stories straight they can generally get away with it.

157 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:39:44am

re: #129 darthstar

There are some pretty awesome Roman ruins on Libya’s coast. Man, I’d love to go check these out…the theatres and the Arena are especially impressive.

theatlantic.com

Here’s the Arena to pique your interst:
Image: s_l23_00008417.jpg

very kewl!

158 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:39:44am

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

what freakin’ decade does this man live in? 1950? Since when do young ‘uns look at the National Geographic to see boobs?

I love how that one guy’s excuse is that he didn’t initiate the emails but that he rather forwarded them because that makes forwarding “The South will rise again” so much better.

159 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:39:55am

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

The idea was to depict Michelle Obama (and by extension black people in general) as ‘primitive natives’. It’s classic racism, lewd and utterly hateful.

Oh, so that’s what he was trying to do…thanks for explaining.

160 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:40:31am

re: #154 darthstar

Or so she claims. My guess is she broke the ‘just don’t bring them home’ rule.

She shot at him (the lover) last October. Other possibility is that she shot and killed him that night and her husband went for the fall.

161 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:40:37am

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

The idea was to depict Michelle Obama (and by extension black people in general) as ‘primitive natives’. It’s classic racism, lewd and utterly hateful.

Yeah much like the Obama witch doctor image. Shit gets old.

162 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:41:27am

re: #147 darthstar

It’s good. And yours?

Birds chirping, overcast, rain predicted. THanks for askin’!

163 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:41:38am

i’m watching the family series of The Amazing Race, where the one black family actually has the last name Black, and they have a rallying cry of “Black family!”

164 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:42:45am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

I love how that one guy’s excuse is that he didn’t initiate the emails but that he rather forwarded them because that makes forwarding “The South will rise again” so much better.

I don’t even open emails from my family if the subject line starts with “FW: FW: FW:…”

165 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:43:10am

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

And her drunken state may have had an impact on following events. It took a chain of events and breaking that chain at any point might well have avoided the violent outcome. A chain of bad decisions that culminated into what might have been a choice to murder or precipitated a horrible deadly misunderstanding, or someone decided no did not mean no. Whatever really happened it was a chain of wrong.

IIRC you refrain from all intoxicants right? When I step back and consider that perspective the view of causation of violence shifts from the objects of harm (gun, club, fist) to why they came into play at all.

It’s true many humans misbehave and are not to be trusted with dangerous things. But they have them anyway.

166 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:43:40am

re: #164 darthstar

I don’t even open emails from my family if the subject line starts with “FW: FW: FW:…”

Yeah those chain emails are stupid and usually ripe with inaccuracies and attempts at humor that would have gotten the sender’s ass booed out of the comedy clubs I’ve been to.

167 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:44:12am

And remember, any time you hear a shady story of what really sounds like a murder but the people got off, as angry-making as that is, remember that this also means there are innocent people who are walking free because of the same principle.

168 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:44:31am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Yeah those chain emails are stupid and usually ripe with inaccuracies and attempts at humor that would have gotten the sender’s ass booed out of the comedy clubs I’ve been to.

Or you find that you were the one that originally sent them to the recipient and it’s just made the rounds …

169 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:45:25am

re: #168 FemNaziBitch

Or you find that you were the one that originally sent them to the recipient and it’s just made the rounds …

My dad’s getting older. Some of the emails are on their third pass around the internet.

171 BigPapa  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:46:48am

re: #164 darthstar

I don’t even open emails from my family if the subject line starts with “FW: FW: FW:…”

Fuckwit:Fuckwit:Fuckwit always comes to mind.

Then my mom asks me later if I opened them because they were so funny, getting mad if I didn’t.

172 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:47:24am

re: #170 BigPapa

Dark Side Of America: Cheerios Ad With Biracial Family Sets Off Online Spew Of Racism (VIDEO)

I read an article about that ad on my cousin’s facebook page. Apparently YouTube had to disable comments because of racism. What the fuck America. This is 2013. Come the fuck on.

173 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:47:55am

Felon Voting Rights: A Boon for GOP?

Good move, but until I am considered a human being by the GOP, they aren’t getting any points from me.

174 darthstar  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:48:10am

re: #170 BigPapa

Dark Side Of America: Cheerios Ad With Biracial Family Sets Off Online Spew Of Racism (VIDEO)

Saw that earlier on fb…great article on Jezebel about it.

jezebel.com

This commercial is a huge step for interracial families like mine who want to be seen in public together and maybe eat some heart-healthy snacks. But it also validates the existence of biracial and multiracial people. Often we’re treated like exotic flowers, who should feel complimented when people say stuff to us like, “All biracial women are so beautiful” or “I would kill for your skin.” One of the hardest things about growing up the way I did is feeling like you need to choose one racial identity over another just to fit in. The fact that strangers constantly ask you to identify yourself (forcing you to put yourself in a category) makes you feel conspicuous and gazed upon. You catch strangers looking at you. You know what they want to ask you. You know that they won’t leave you alone until you give them a rundown of your heritage.

So, this is just a stupid commercial about Cheerios but it means a lot to me. It shows interracial families and their children being normal and cute, not something to gawk at or to question.

175 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:48:58am

re: #165 Political Atheist

And her drunken state may have had an impact on following events. It took a chain of events and breaking that chain at any point might well have avoided the violent outcome. A chain of bad decisions that culminated into what might have been a choice to murder or precipitated a horrible deadly misunderstanding, or someone decided no did not mean no. Whatever really happened it was a chain or wrong.

IIRC you refrain from all intoxicants right? When I step back and consider that perspective the view of causation of violence shifts from the objects of harm (gun, club, fist) to why they came into play at all.

It’s true many humans misbehave and are not to be trusted with dangerous things. But they have them anyway.

I’ll have glass of wine on occasion, but no more than that.

As for the case, it is indeed entirely possible that the wife’s ‘bring-home’ took things too far or took advantage of her while she was drunk.

Not much else to say about this case, since it ended in an acquittal. The civil portions of ‘Stand Your Ground’ ensure that there will be no wrongful death civil suit brought by the young man’s family, since the criminal trial resulted in a jury finding that the husband reasonably believed the young man was committing a forcible felony.

176 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:49:45am

I didn’t see this one:

NC Legislature Considers “Show Me Your Papers” Bill

177 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:49:52am
178 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:49:55am

re: #167 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And remember, any time you hear a shady story of what really sounds like a murder but the people got off, as angry-making as that is, remember that this also means there are innocent people who are walking free because of the same principle.

You remind me of the innocence project. Fine work they do, very fine work. Because our justice system sometimes gets it wrong. Some person screws it up along the way from arrest to conviction.

179 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:51:10am

Fake quote attributed to Margaret Sanger.

180 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:51:40am

re: #174 darthstar

Saw that earlier on fb…great article on Jezebel about it.

jezebel.com

So, this is just a stupid commercial about Cheerios but it means a lot to me. It shows interracial families and their children being normal and cute, not something to gawk at or to question

181 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:52:51am

re: #178 Political Atheist

And our justice system is still endemically racist, with black people getting longer sentences for the same crimes, being arrested at much higher rates for crimes we know occur just as much in the white population, black people’s testimony against white people less likely to be believed, etc. etc.

This is why culture is as important as laws. Under the law, the races are equal, but in the action of the law, they are not, because the law acts informed by our culture.

182 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:56:45am

What would be nice if lawmakers cared more about law rather than appearing tough on crime to make re-election easier. I get turned off big time when I hear a politician democratic or republican trying to act tough on crime. Yes, criminals should be punished but we also have to realize that most people who go into our prison and jail system will be coming out. Let’s do things that ensure that they not only not commit crimes again but also become productive members of society.

183 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 8:56:49am

re: #176 FemNaziBitch


Twice I have seen LAPD or maybe it was LASD assert to an individual during a “field interview” that they must have ID to be out and about. I’m just waiting for the time they toss that at me, cause I want that ordinance or pc number. I think they are lying to intimidate. Prolly won’t happen because I always have ID and I know all the numbers by heart anyway.

184 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:00:03am

re: #179 Gus

Fake quote attributed to Margaret Sanger.

Pro-Lifers sing to the choir.

185 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:00:12am

re: #181 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

If you watch the news in any large city/metro area most of the news stories about fights and shootings involve minorities. (In Atlanta, I’d guess it’s at least 9 out of 10 news articles and TV reports) Like white people never fight or shoot each other. It’s frustrating, because I know for sure domestic violence, drunken fighting and all other manner of shit happens out here in whiteywhitewhite suburbia, but you rarely see it on the news unless there’s death or some weird twisty sexual aspect of the crime.

186 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:01:40am

*sigh*

187 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:02:31am

re: #184 FemNaziBitch

Pro-Lifers sing to the choir.

It’s a total hack job.

188 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:02:40am

re: #184 FemNaziBitch

Pro-Lifers sing to the choir.

Of course. You can’t just disagree with Ms. Sanger, you have to think that she was a terrible racist on the level of Hitler. I forget who it was but some nut actually said that Hitler was inspired by Sanger. Yeah, let’s totally ignore the role of Luther in the shaping of Antisemitism in Germany and violence against the Jews.

189 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:02:41am

re: #185 A Mom Anon

If you watch the news in any large city/metro area most of the news stories about fights and shootings involve minorities. (In Atlanta, I’d guess it’s at least 9 out of 10 news articles and TV reports) Like white people never fight or shoot each other. It’s frustrating, because I know for sure domestic violence, drunken fighting and all other manner of shit happens out here in whiteywhitewhite suburbia, but you rarely see it on the news unless there’s death or some weird twisty sexual aspect of the crime.

I’ve learned that there are *some* communities in which the police won’t even file a police report on *some* crimes. It just doesn’t fit the image they have of the community.

190 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:02:44am

re: #186 FemNaziBitch

*sigh*

Make it so.

191 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:02:49am

re: #173 FemNaziBitch

Felon Voting Rights: A Boon for GOP?

Good move, but until I am considered a human being by the GOP, they aren’t getting any points from me.

Whew! Glad to read that’s non violent felons only. Last thing we need is a prison gang voting bloc. The legalities are interesting. It’s a little surprising voting rights can be removed at all from a simple straight read on the constitution and many state constitutions.

192 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:03:15am

re: #187 Gus

It’s a total hack job.

yeah, I’ve begun putting the links that debunk fake quotes in the comments.

193 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:03:21am

re: #186 FemNaziBitch

*sigh*


He means it, GGT.

Youtube Video

194 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:04:27am

re: #193 Dark_Falcon


He means it, GGT.

Yes, DF, I know.

He is now the sexiest man on the planet. HE will be sexiest man on the planet when he is dead in the grave for 80 years. Sean Connery is beaten.

195 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:05:51am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

So, this is just a stupid commercial about Cheerios but it means a lot to me. It shows interracial families and their children being normal and cute, not something to gawk at or to question

Sometimes you had to have been there to appreciate how things were seen in the past. ‘Julia’ was a TV show in 1968 that featured a black woman as a single mother with a job. Broke a lot of ground. Preceded ‘All in the Family’, ‘The Mary Tyler Moore Show’, and ‘One Day at a Time’, the white-people shows that also shook up traditional TV stereotypes. TV can have a positive cultural influence.

196 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:07:27am

re: #195 wrenchwench

Sometimes you had to have been there to appreciate how things were seen in the past. ‘Julia’ was a TV show in 1968 that featured a black woman as a single mother with a job. Broke a lot of ground. Preceded ‘All in the Family’, ‘The Mary Tyler Moore Show’, and ‘One Day at a Time’, the white-people shows that also shook up traditional TV stereotypes. TV can have a positive cultural influence.

That’s a good point. TV has a way of humanizing people. I think that’s why the nutjobs hate the show Glee because it shows gay characters in a human light.

197 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:10:25am

I have to run errands before the banks close.

Have a good one all!

198 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:11:16am

re: #143 ProTARDISLiberal

A couple month ago, there was an article in the Atlantic about Abdullah II of Jordan. There were comments in the article about Abdullah II not trusting Erdogan or the Muslim Brotherhood.

Hey Abdullah? Right on both counts. Alot.

Interestingly, Abdullah has also gotten Jordan into a joint project with Putin’s Russia:

Russia-Jordan RPG-32 Grenade Launcher Factory Opens in Jordan Near Syrian Border

A Jordanian-Russian joint venture to produce RPG-32 portable rocket-propelled grenade launchers in Jordan has been confirmed by the Russian arms manufacturer, Russian Technologies.

Yesterday King Abdullah II and Russian Technologies CEO Sergei Chemezov attended the factory’s inauguration, officially a factory of the JADARA Equipment and Defence Systems Company (JRESCO), about 10 miles northeast of the Jordan’s capital city of Amman. Russian media is reporting that when the Jordanian King saw the weapon in action, he stood and applauded for several minutes (as is often the prerogative of kings at weapon exhibitions).

“The RPG-32 is one of the most advanced weapon systems [in the world] capable of effectively engaging the majority of armored vehicles as well as other military targets,” Chemezov told reporters.

The new weapons factory has been built and equipped by Jordan while Rosoboronexport, part of Russian Technologies, is said to be supplying components. Grenade launchers will be assembled in Jordan while Russian engineers will oversee production.

SNIP

Designed and developed by Bazalt Science & Production Association, the “Nashab” RPG-32 consists of a two-piece modular unit: one part is a reusable firing/sighting unit, described as the launcher, and the other is a disposable container holding either an anti-tank or thermobaric round. RPG-32 fires either 72.5 or 105mm rounds with a blast radius of 700 meters and has earned a reputation for its ability to be safely fired in semi-confined spaces (like those characteristic of urban warfare). Units are said to have a barrel life of around 200 firings.

199 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:11:24am

re: #195 wrenchwench

I remember Julia, boy did that bring out a lot of racist crap in the ‘burbs when I was a kid. Yipes.

It’s weird, my parents are ridiculously racist and homophobic, but they never tolerated any of their kids being like that. At least while I was living at home. Now that we’re all grown, they don’t seem to care. As a result, I grew up being open and tolerant, but my siblings are both lost causes and super wingnutty.

I had an odd upbringing, lol.

200 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:11:43am

Husband wakes to the sound of his wife shooting their nine-year-old son dead before she begged him to kill her

The mother of a nine-year-old boy shot him five times in the home she shared with him and the boy’s father in Steamboat Springs, Colorado then turned the gun on herself, according to a preliminary investigation by the Routt County Sheriff’s Office .

Lisa Marie Lesyshen shot and killed her son Asher on Tuesday, leaving a note by the child’s bed telling the father Michael Kirlan that he was to blame for her actions.

Her husband was woken by the shots and called 911 as she asked him to kill her. She survived.

‘Remember you are responsible for what has happened here and you are the person that caused it,’ she wrote, signing the note, ‘Lisa and Asher’.

…Receipts found in the home show that Lisa Marie Lesyshen purchased the revolver used to murder her son two days before the killing. The employee who sold her the gun had to show her how to load it.

The employee told Steamboat Today that Lesyshen stated she wanted the gun for protection because her husband was out of town, and needed instruction on how to use it…

Image: article-0-1A179BBA000005DC-297_306x423.jpg

201 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:12:45am

Receipts found in the home show that Lisa Marie Lesyshen purchased the revolver used to murder her son two days before the killing.

202 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:13:13am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

That’s a good point. TV has a way of humanizing people. I think that’s why the nutjobs hate the show Glee because it shows gay characters in a human light.

Exactly.

What you and I see as a positive influence, others may see as the downfall of civilization.

203 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:14:28am

So I win or lose an informal bet this morning. Joking with the neighbors about making bbq pancakes for a few of us.
Loser cleans up the plates etc.

204 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:15:30am

re: #202 wrenchwench

Exactly.

What you and I see as a positive influence, others may see as the downfall of civilization.

Not merely a positively influence, just ordinary boring people sometimes too. And I think that upsets them just as much. Remember how upset the Million Moms were at JCPenney for having Ellen in their ads? The one lady even let it slip out that Ellen’s “problem” is that she’s too “nice”, “normal”. They know that most LGBT people like most straight people are just folks trying to live their lives to the best they can.

205 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:19:13am

re: #203 Political Atheist

So I win or lose an informal bet this morning. Joking with the neighbors about making bbq pancakes for a few of us.
Loser cleans up the plates etc.

Can you use a pan, or do you have to pour the batter on the open grill?

206 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:19:48am

re: #200 Gus

She survived shooting herself and she’s been charged with Murder 1. I’m pretty certain she’s severely disturbed mentally, so I’d argue against the imposition of the death penalty in this case.

207 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:21:24am

re: #205 wrenchwench

Can you use a pan, or do you have to pour the batter on the open grill?

Ya know I just forgot to mention my cast iron pan in that conversation earlier. ;-)>

208 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:25:58am

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

She survived shooting herself and she’s been charged with Murder 1. I’m pretty certain she’s severely disturbed mentally, so I’d argue against the imposition of the death penalty in this case.

Another case of someone that shouldn’t have been allowed to own a gun. I don’t know what to think overall other than just disgust at how someone could do such a thing.

209 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:26:32am

My thoughts are with the Oklahoma lizards! ~Justaminute~ Hope you are ok!!!

210 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:27:54am

re: #209 prairiefire

HoosierHoops too!

211 Gus  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:28:36am

5-year-old shot, father arrested

FEDERAL HEIGHTS - The father of a five-year-old girl in Federal Heights has been arrested after accidentally shooting her…

212 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:32:24am




213 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:37:23am

re: #212 wrenchwench

I’m reasonably certain that a number of the Tanzimat-era Caliphs were more liberal than Erdogan or the mayor of Ankara.

If not for that assbag Abdul Hamid II, the Ottoman Empire might have evolved and survived.

214 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:42:22am

re: #213 ProTARDISLiberal

Hell, I know they were. The Ottoman Empire decriminalize Homosexual Activity in 1858. 6 years before our Emancipation Proclamation ended Slavery in the US, and 145 Years before Lawrence v. Texas would decriminalize Homosexual Activity here in the US.

215 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:43:27am


Google Translation:

Mr. Prime Minister. Last 10 years, every selection, every argument, every fight won, dear lose it in a park

216 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:44:26am

re: #214 ProTARDISLiberal

Hell, I know they were. The Ottoman Empire decriminalize Homosexual Activity in 1858. 6 years before our Emancipation Proclamation ended Slavery in the US, and 145 Years before Lawrence v. Texas would decriminalize Homosexual Activity here in the US.

The Ottomans are an interesting bunch. It’s my understanding that the empire was pretty Jewish friendly by the standards of the day. I don’t really too much about them but I do know a bit about the history of the Jews in the Russian Empire given that I did my term paper on pogroms from 1880-just before WWI.

217 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:44:44am

Meanwhile, Chomsky shot his mouth off again:

American political activist and linguist Noam Chomsky condemned the Gezi Park crackdown, stating it is “the most shameful moments of Turkish history.

Oh really? Worse than this?

The Dersim Massacre took place in 1937 and 1938 in Dersim, now called Tunceli Province, in Turkey. It was the outcome of a Turkish military campaign against the Dersim Rebellion by local ethnic minority groups against Turkey’s Resettlement Law of 1934. Thousands of Alevi Kurds and Zazas died and many others were internally displaced due to the conflict.

218 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:45:12am

re: #214 ProTARDISLiberal

Hell, I know they were. The Ottoman Empire decriminalize Homosexual Activity in 1858. 6 years before our Emancipation Proclamation ended Slavery in the US, and 145 Years before Lawrence v. Texas would decriminalize Homosexual Activity here in the US.

Survival of the empire is still a huge ‘what if?’ All the other empires are gone or severely reduced.

219 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:46:17am

re: #215 wrenchwench

Google Translation:

Mr. Prime Minister. Last 10 years, every selection, every argument, every fight won, dear lose it in a park

Human translation:

220 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:46:27am

re: #218 wrenchwench

Survival of the empire is still a huge ‘what if?’ All the other empires are gone or severely reduced.

WWII probably plays a role in that what if scenario since even the winners were forced to let their colonies go.

221 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:47:26am

Google Translate sucks. It is better than nothing, but everyone should be at least bilingual. I suck too, on that score.

222 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:50:24am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

The Ottomans are an interesting bunch. It’s my understanding that the empire was pretty Jewish friendly by the standards of the day. I don’t really too much about them but I do know a bit about the history of the Jews in the Russian Empire given that I did my term paper on pogroms from 1880-just before WWI.

They got better later, but they were quite brutal at times. The Martyrs of Otranto, canonized on May 12th of this year, were killed for refusing to convert to Islam.

I’m not some “Gates of Vienna” whackjob, but facts are facts and the Ottoman Empire did slightly more than its share of misdeeds.

223 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:53:00am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

They got better later, but they were quite brutal at times. The Martyrs of Otranto, canonized on May 12th of this year, were killed for refusing to convert to Islam.

I’m not some “Gates of Vienna” whackjob, but facts are facts and the ?Ottoman Empire did slightly more than its share of misdeeds.

Of course and you don’t have to defend yourself ot me DF, I know you’re not a hateful nutjob. Anyhow, thing about Antisemitism and acts of violence and terror is that no nation or former empire can claim to have been untainted by it.

224 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:57:35am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

Some issues with it.

Due to embellishment of accounts of the battle over the generations some historians question the account that the inhabitants were given the option of converting to Islam to save themselves from execution. As author Nancy Bisaha points out, “historians have begun to question the veracity of these tales of mass slaughter and martyrdom. Francesco Tateo argues that the earliest contemporary sources do not support the story of the eight hundred martyrs; such tales of religious persecution and conscious self-sacrifice for the Christian faith appeared only two or more decades following the siege. The earliest and most reliable sources describe the execution of eight hundred to one thousand soldiers or citizens and the local bishop, but none mention a conversion as a condition of clemency. Even more telling, neither a contemporary Turkish chronicle nor Italian diplomatic reports mention martyrdom. One would imagine that if such a report were circulating, humanists and preachers would have seized on it. It seems likely that more inhabitants of Otranto were taken out of Italy and sold into slavery than were slaughtered.” On the other hand, it is admitted that a contemporary Turkish historian, Ibn Kemal, does justify the massacre of the Christians on religious grounds.

What likely happened is that Ottomans went in and started looting and massacre-ing, much like any Medieval Army.

225 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:58:27am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

They got better later, but they were quite brutal at times. The Martyrs of Otranto, canonized on May 12th of this year, were killed for refusing to convert to Islam.

I’m not some “Gates of Vienna” whackjob, but facts are facts and the Ottoman Empire did slightly more than its share of misdeeds.

It’s worth noting that the king of Hungary sent troops to help drive the Turks out of Italy, an act that angered the Ottoman sultans and for which Hungary would ultimately pay dearly.

226 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:00:58am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Of course and you don’t have to defend yourself ot me DF, I know you’re not a hateful nutjob. Anyhow, thing about Antisemitism and acts of violence and terror is that no nation or former empire can claim to have been untainted by it.

I know that you guys on right now know what I meant. But references to Islamic powers in loony terms by those right-of-center occur often enough that I felt the disclaimer prudent. I wanted to make my motives crystal clear so that those coming to this thread late would not mistake me.

227 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:03:37am

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

I know that you guys on right now know what I meant. But references to Islamic powers in loony terms by those right-of-center occur often enough that I felt the disclaimer prudent. I wanted to make my motives crystal clear so that those coming to this thread late would not mistake me.

Ah, gotcha. But yeah, the more I read about what the Jewish people have endured throughout the centuries. The more I admire them because until fairly recently Antisemitism was easy to get away with. Hell in many parts of the world, it still is part of culture but we’ve come a long way since the Nazis were defeated. It’s disturbing to read Western accounts of Nazi Germany condoning the Nazi persecution of the Jews because they “agree that Germany had a Jew problem.”

228 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:04:44am

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

However, as time went on, the relationship between Hungary and the Ottoman got more complex.

229 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:06:52am

re: #228 ProTARDISLiberal

However, as time went on, the relationship between Hungary and the Ottoman got more complex.

Speaking of Hungary, what a beautiful country, it’s too bad that one can easily get to high office there by scapegoating the Romani. It’s not just Hungary but common place in many nations with a high Romani population. It’s why as I get older that I find disgust with populism and populist rhetoric. I’m a liberal at my core, believe in giving the little guy a chance but I despise “Us against them” politics.

230 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:11:38am

re: #228 ProTARDISLiberal

However, as time went on, the relationship between Hungary and the Ottoman got more complex.

True, though Hungary had been subsumed by the Hapsburgs by that point. Ultimately the two empires were allies of Germany in WWI, with Austria sending troops to aid it ally in fighting the British and the Hashemite-led Arabs in the Levant. The end of the Great War saw both empires broken.


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