VA School Board Member Sends Blatantly Racist Michelle Obama Emails, Says They Were “Political”

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Virginia school board member Herb Degroft says there was nothing racist about those emails he forwarded showing bare-breasted African women with the caption, “Michelle Obama’s high school reunion.”

Degroft says there was also nothing racist about the email he forwarded that claimed the First Lady was paid $50 to “model for National Geographic.”

Even though other board members say they’ve been receiving emails like this from Degroft for more than a year, and even though Degroft now seems to have a dim understanding that he made a “mistake,” he’s not planning to resign, because he thought these emails were “political:” VA School Board Member Could Lose Job Over Michelle Obama E-Mail.

RICHMOND, VA (WWBT) - A Virginia school board is calling for the resignation of one of its members, after he emailed what some called racist and inappropriate messages to his colleagues.

This all goes back to the Isle of Wight school board member Herb Degroft and an e-mail he sent containing naked women and a reference to First Lady Michelle Obama.

He forwarded two emails from his county email account. One had a picture with bare-breasted, African female warriors with the caption “Michelle Obama’s high school reunion.” Another e-mail claimed Mrs. Obama was paid $50 to model in National Geographic.

Some board members say they have been receiving similar e-mails from Degroft since January of 2012.

In retrospect, Degroft admits he made a mistake. He says the e-mails were meant to be political, not racist. When it comes to resigning from his position, he said he is not going anywhere. However, that’s up to voters to decide.

This was no “mistake,” of course. He deliberately sent those emails, knowing full well that they were disgustingly racist. The racism is what appealed to him, and to the people he sent them to.

The only “mistake” he made was thinking he wouldn’t get caught.

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142 comments
1 Awea  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:54:11am

Isolated incident #10233521

2 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:55:24am

Just political my ass. Fucking bigoted asshole.

3 sizzzzlerz  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:57:50am

I’m almost speechless. What a perverted, fucking dick of a human being this asshole is.

4 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:58:56am

I wish people would take seriously who they’re electing to represent them on school boards. Remember that one asshole in Arkansas who wrote on his facebook no less that he wished gay teens would just kill themselves. Sheesh, this guy’s a great example of why local isn’t always better.

5 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 9:59:36am

He wasn’t the only one who forwarded the e-mails. Isle of Wight Supervisor Byron Bailey did as well.

Something is Wrong on the Isle of W(r)ight

6 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:01:09am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

I wish people would take seriously who they’re electing to represent them on school boards. Remember that one asshole in Arkansas who wrote on his facebook no less that he wished gay teens would just kill themselves. Sheesh, this guy’s a great example of why local isn’t always better.

Unfortunately, they don’t run on those slogans/ beliefs/ thoughts. When they are campaigning it is all baby kissing and glad handing and telling whatever group they happen to be in front of at that time “I’m working for you”

7 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:02:35am

Rebranding, how does it work?

8 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:03:36am

re: #6 sattv4u2

Unfortunately, they don’t run on those slogans/ beliefs/ thoughts. When they are campaigning it is all baby kissing and glad handing and telling whatever group they happen to be in front of at that time “I’m working for you”

No, a lot of them actually do campaign on stuff like “I’m a committed Christian and I think gay literature shouldn’t be in our schools.”

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:03:49am

What I don’t understand is how this dickface could be circulating emails like this for over a year and then be surprised when he got caught.

10 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:04:47am

re: #8 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No, a lot of them actually do campaign on stuff like “I’m a committed Christian and I think gay literature shouldn’t be in our schools.”

Yeah and voters in this part of the commonwealth eat that shit up.

11 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:05:17am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

What I don’t understand is how this dickface could be circulating emails like this for over a year and then be surprised when he got caught.

Because to him there’s nothing wrong with doing it. Among a depressingly large slice of the US, racism of this sort is perfectly acceptable. Prominent people in the GOP have been horribly racist too without any real damage to their political careers, because their voters don’t disapprove.

12 Awea  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:05:27am

re: #8 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No, a lot of them actually do campaign on stuff like “I’m a committed Christian and I think gay literature shouldn’t be in our schools.”

There is probably very little campaigning at all for school boards. Just get some signatures to get on the ballot, then post a lot of signs.

13 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:06:04am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

He thought like a lot of folks do. Things disappear on the internet. He is about to find out it never disappears.

14 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:07:18am

re: #12 Awea

There is probably very little campaigning at all for school boards. Just get some signatures to get on the ballot, then post a lot of signs.

In urban areas there is huge campaigning, in suburbs their is fierce campaigning. It can get goddamn ugly.

Sure, it’s not like, press events, but the candidates normally state their positions and their stated positions are often terrible and those terrible opinions are shared by enough other people that they get voted for and then we get schools doing shit like trying to have prayers and teaching creationism and shit.

15 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:07:27am

re: #12 Awea

There is probably very little campaigning at all for school boards. Just get some signatures to get on the ballot, then post a lot of signs.

correct

16 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:08:19am

re: #12 Awea

There is probably very little campaigning at all for school boards. Just get some signatures to get on the ballot, then post a lot of signs.

Probably little actual campaigning and seldom debates but if you can spread word around that so and so is a good Christian who will put God back in school, you can get elected. That’s just how “real Virginia” can be.

17 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:09:51am

re: #15 sattv4u2

correct

Why do you believe this?

18 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:10:39am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

In cities— where, y’know, millions and millions of people live— it can be million dollar campaigns.

articles.latimes.com

Even up in goddamn Buffalo it can get weird and corrupt and ugly.

buffalonews.com

19 efuseakay  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:10:58am

“Up to voters to decide”… no offense to any VA Lizards here, but I’m not very hopeful he will get the boot.

20 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:11:49am

re: #18 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

In cities— where, y’know, millions and millions of people live— it can be million dollar campaigns.

articles.latimes.com

Even up in goddamn Buffalo.

buffalonews.com

Right, I was speaking more about how it is in smaller counties like Isle of Wight though. Not surprised that a lot of money gets spent in the races in the cities since as you point out, more population.

21 Awea  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:11:55am

re: #17 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It all depends on your location. Sure the bigger the district, the more campaigning you have to do, and the smaller the district less is needed.

22 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:12:28am

re: #17 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why do you believe this?

1st hand experience. I have run for two (and was elected to one) school board, one in an urban setting (the one I won) the other in the suburbs. Because of my interest in that I have always kept an eye on it for decades

23 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:12:35am

re: #19 efuseakay

“Up to voters to decide”… no offense to any VA Lizards here, but I’m not very hopeful he will get the boot.

Oh none taken. Believe me, my kid brother tells me some of the stuff that his classmates parrot about Obama and the left from their parents and it shocks me. And we’re a county that went for Obama.

24 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:13:34am

re: #18 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

In cities— where, y’know, millions and millions of people live— it can be million dollar campaigns.

articles.latimes.com

Even up in goddamn Buffalo it can get weird and corrupt and ugly.

buffalonews.com

Yes, but Buffalo is still a decent-sized city, so of course the campaign is going to far more costly than in a rural area.

25 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:14:21am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Right, I was speaking more about how it is in smaller counties like Isle of Wight though. Not surprised that a lot of money gets spent in the races in the cities since as you point out, more population.

And most of the US lives in those places with higher population.

When people talk about ‘school board’ somehow they start thinking of like, one-room schoolhouses out on the prairie.

School boards can help influence where millions of dollars get spent and be responding for thousands of children. They’re a big freakin’ deal.

26 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:14:27am

re: #15 sattv4u2

Or, compare the campaigns from school board seats to the rest of a big slate, like Mayor or City Council. Right down there on the attention scale with judges that are up. Which is also quite unfortunate as these are important places in our society.

27 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:15:12am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but Buffalo is still a decent-sized city, so of course the campaign is going to far more costly than in a rural area.

And even at that, $250k “poured” in for a city as large as Buffalo really isn’t a lot

28 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:15:16am

re: #22 sattv4u2

1st hand experience. I have run for two (and was elected to one) school board, one in an urban setting (the one I won) the other in the suburbs. Because of my interest in that I have always kept an eye on it for decades

Oh, well, you’ll be interested to learn that you’re wrong, then, and that school boards in many places are actually very competitive things with hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent in the campaigns.

29 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:15:33am

re: #26 Political Atheist

Zaccly

30 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:15:53am

re: #27 sattv4u2

And even at that, $250k “poured” in for a city as large as Buffalo really isn’t a lot

Yeah, all that is is filling in some forms and then a bunch of signs, obviously.

31 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:16:16am

re: #25 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And most of the US lives in those places with higher population.

When people talk about ‘school board’ somehow they start thinking of like, one-room schoolhouses out on the prairie.

School boards can help influence where millions of dollars get spent and be responding for thousands of children. They’re a big freakin’ deal.

I’m aware of that. And I agree which is why I wish people would take seriously who they’re electing.

33 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:16:37am

L.A. Unified misspent millions marked for school lunches

At least eight California school districts misappropriated millions intended to pay for meals for low-income students, a state Senate watchdog group reports.

34 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:17:26am

re: #33 Political Atheist

L.A. Unified misspent millions marked for school lunches

At least eight California school districts misappropriated millions intended to pay for meals for low-income students, a state Senate watchdog group reports.

Some LA school officials are in need of some serious prison time.

35 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:17:30am

I mean we’re reading stories about school board members who I wouldn’t want coaching my child’s little league team let alone shaping education policy in my area of residence.

36 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:18:24am

re: #29 sattv4u2

Zaccly

It’s all about the frame of reference.

37 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:18:47am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

I’m aware of that. And I agree which is why I wish people would take seriously who they’re electing.

A lot of it is that while the campaigns are fierce and they matter a lot to some, they don’t matter to most. They don’t matter to those without kids who aren’t abstract thinkers, they don’t matter to those who have kids who aren’t in public school, and they don’t matter to those who have kids and aren’t that into it. In general, when not paired with other stuff, there’s 10% turnout for school board. But that 10% is still fought fiercely over, and— what started this whole ridiculous derail— their positions are usually known by the people doing the voting. If someone bothers to vote in a school board election, they’re normally informed about who they’re voting for.

38 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:19:41am

re: #36 Political Atheist

It’s all about the frame of reference.

We weren’t ever arguing if school board elections are as big as other elections, though. We were arguing whether the positions of these people are known before they’re elected. And they usually are.

39 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:20:56am

re: #37 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

A lot of it is that while the campaigns are fierce and they matter a lot to some, they don’t matter to most. They don’t matter to those without kids who aren’t abstract thinkers, they don’t matter to those who have kids who aren’t in public school, and they don’t matter to those who have kids and aren’t that into it. In general, when not paired with other stuff, there’s 10% turnout for school board. But that 10% is still fought fiercely over, and— what started this whole ridiculous derail— their positions are usually known by the people doing the voting. If someone bothers to vote in a school board election, they’re normally informed about who they’re voting for.

You’re right. I guess that makes this even more messed up because the people voting for this guy are surely aware of the fact that he thinks like this.

40 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:22:54am

re: #38 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

We weren’t ever arguing if school board elections are as big as other elections, though. We were arguing whether the positions of these people are known before they’re elected. And they usually are.

The worst ones restrict themselves to the missionary position.

41 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:24:01am

re: #38 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

But which is holding peoples attention, and therefore donations? That’s my point.

42 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:24:26am
He says the e-mails were meant to be political, not racist.

Not surprisingly, many people think being racist is a matter of politics. Let’s see what else Mr. Herb DeGroft believes.

Mr. Herb DeGroft was elected to the board in November 2005 after serving as an appointed member from 1995-1999. A retired United States Marine, Mr. DeGroft was also employed as a Human Resources Executive before retiring. He received his college degree from Old Dominion University.An active member of his church and the community, his services: include the Isle of Wight Citizen Association, Community College Foundation Board, Carrollton Ruritans, Veterans of Foreign Wars, Church Finance Chairperson and Red Cross Service to Military Families and Veterans Committee.

Mr. DeGroft lists several priorities for the coming year: to concentrate resources in the classroom, address teacher turnover rates, institute cost control principles, promote effective community relations, and initiate an energy conservation program. He also believes that school systems need to be run like profit-oriented businesses and that we should live and act by the motto, “Lead, follow or get out of the way”!

I’m hoping ‘get out of the way’ is in his future. But what the hell might he mean by ‘promote effective community relations’?

43 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:25:14am

re: #42 wrenchwench

Not surprisingly, many people think being racist is a matter of politics. Let’s see what else Mr. Herb DeGroft believes.

I’m hoping ‘get out of the way’ is in his future. But what the hell might he mean by ‘promote effective community relations’?

Another idiot who thinks everything
should just be run like a business. If I had a fucking nickel……….

44 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:25:36am

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Well, it’s more stupid than criminal. But that whole system (LAUSD) is hugely overdue for a break up and renewed management. It’s just too big to serve well.

45 dragonath  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:25:38am

Of course school board races are highly competitive in cities where there’s a critical mass of citizens concerned about such things. Where I’m at, the most people have to do is run a cross party ticket and say they’re “looking out for the taxpayer”.

46 BigPapa  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:25:47am

re: #42 wrenchwench

Not surprisingly, many people think being racist is a matter of politics. Let’s see what else Mr. Herb DeGroft believes.

I’m hoping ‘get out of the way’ is in his future. But what the hell might he mean by ‘promote effective community relations’?

Rebranding.

47 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:26:11am

re: #41 Political Atheist

But which is holding peoples attention, and therefore donations? That’s my point.

That’s fine. It has nothing at all to do with my point: The positions of these people are known before they’re elected, and they get elected for the positions that they hold.

And there is campaigning for the school board, and it goes far, far, far beyond just filling out forms and putting up lawn signs.

48 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:27:35am

re: #6 sattv4u2

Unfortunately, they don’t run on those slogans/ beliefs/ thoughts. When they are campaigning it is all baby kissing and glad handing and telling whatever group they happen to be in front of at that time “I’m working for you”

Around here, their real slogans and thoughts were masquerading as the ‘Phonics’ movement. A local RWNJ school board candidate admitted it, thinking we were so white we must be on her side.

49 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:27:48am

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Another idiot who thinks everything
should just be run like a business. If I had a fucking nickel……….

You’d have a pile of baby nickels you’d have to feed.

50 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:29:24am

re: #47 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

That’s fine. It has nothing at all to do with my point: The positions of these people are known before they’re elected, and they get elected for the positions that they hold.

And there is campaigning for the school board, and it goes far, far, far beyond just filling out forms and putting up lawn signs.

If they are so “fiercely ” fought over and “millions” are spent on them, then can you explain why there’s only “10% turnout for school board” ?

51 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:31:24am

re: #50 sattv4u2

If they are so “fiercely ” fought over and “millions” are spent on them, then can you explain why there’s only “10% turnout for school board” ?

Yep. Already did.

They don’t matter to those without kids who aren’t abstract thinkers, they don’t matter to those who have kids who aren’t in public school, and they don’t matter to those who have kids and aren’t that into it.

And again. your assertion was this person’s positions were probably unknown, since campaigning for school board is just filling out some forms and putting up some signs.

That is wrong.

52 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:31:31am

re: #49 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

You’d have a pile of baby nickels you’d have to feed.

Hahaha. Well played.

53 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:31:37am

re: #49 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

You’d have a pile of baby nickels you’d have to feed.

A nickle doesn’t even buy a nickle anymore !!

businessinsider.com

54 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:33:16am

re: #51 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

your assertion was (1) this person’s positions were probably unknown, (2) since campaigning for school board is just filling out some forms and putting up some signs.

I “asserted” the 1st (again, from 1st hand experience)

I never stated the 2nd

55 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:34:13am

I keep trying to get Liam to type a comment to you, but every time I open up the comment box he decides he’d rather walk around like a drunk chimpanzee or do ‘the penguin’.

56 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:34:46am

re: #54 sattv4u2

No, but you agreed with the assertion of 2. Are you saying now you don’t agree with it?

57 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:35:48am

re: #44 Political Atheist

Well, it’s more stupid than criminal. But that whole system (LAUSD) is hugely overdue for a break up and renewed management. It’s just too big to serve well.

Agreed. But I still think criminal convictions are needed in this case. Solving corruption problems requires that corrupt officials be publicly tried and jailed pour encourager les autres.

58 Awea  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:36:00am

re: #47 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

That’s fine. It has nothing at all to do with my point: The positions of these people are known before they’re elected, and they get elected for the positions that they hold.

And there is campaigning for the school board, and it goes far, far, far beyond just filling out forms and putting up lawn signs

There are 13,809 school districts in the US. In larger cities yes they will be campaigned more aggressively. But I doubt most are, as Larger city School boards will encompass many school in their districts. But when you factor in small rural towns with their own schools and districts, not so much.

59 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:37:00am

re: #51 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

AND

Yep. Already did.

They don’t matter to those without kids who aren’t abstract thinkers, they don’t matter to those who have kids who aren’t in public school, and they don’t matter to those who have kids and aren’t that into it.

So if they aren’t reaching all the above and only pursuading the “10%” turnout, what are all those millions going for? Of those 10% many (if not most) probably already know the person running and would vote for him/her regardless

60 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:37:06am

re: #58 Awea

Small rural towns are not where most people live in the US, though. Most people live in urban or suburban environments, and competition for the school board is strong.

61 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:37:56am

re: #59 sattv4u2

AND

Yep. Already did.

They don’t matter to those without kids who aren’t abstract thinkers, they don’t matter to those who have kids who aren’t in public school, and they don’t matter to those who have kids and aren’t that into it.

So if they aren’t reaching all the above and only pursuading the “10%” turnout, what are all those millions going for? Of those 10% many (if not most) probably already know the person running and would vote for him/her regardless

Why do you think that most of those 10% would already know the person running?

Also, how does this not disprove your earlier stance that the voters would be ignorant about the person’s positions?

62 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:39:30am

DeGroft is the victim now.

“I understand where they’re coming from, that they had to take some official action,” he said. “Good leaders learn from their mistakes and become better leaders and that’s my objective.”

[…]

DeGroft said after the meeting that he felt that he was already being punished.

“I’m penalized right now … being publicly ostracized,” he said. “I stand out as an example to students, to young people anywhere for that matter. Here’s an adult who made a mistake, admittedly made a mistake, and is honorable enough to say, ‘Hey, look at what I did. Don’t be that stupid.’ “

63 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:39:57am

re: #56 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No, but you agreed with the assertion of 2. Are you saying now you don’t agree with it?

Substitute the words “is just” (where you got that, i have no clue) for “for a large part” and yes, that IS what it is

64 Awea  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:40:08am

re: #60 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Small rural towns are not where most people live in the US, though. Most people live in urban or suburban environments, and competition for the school board is strong.

How many school boards are in Chicago, how many are in nowheresville iowa

65 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:40:33am

re: #47 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Perhaps this varies widely. Hence a very different outlook from Sat vs yours. My perspective is only LA, where IMO the school board campaigns are seemingly lost in the noise and apathy far too often. Whatever the scale and nature of these campaigns really are, my home town has not been well served. I have not read deeply about anywhere else.

66 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:41:09am

re: #62 wrenchwench

DeGroft is the victim now.

Aww the poor baby. No, you’re not an example to young people, Herb, you’re an example of what’s wrong with this country. Dipshits who forward racist images thinking they’re full of LOLs and then getting pissy when you get called out on it.

67 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:41:19am

Sometimes we argue because the point is important, sometimes we argue to correct a wrong, but sometimes we argue just because we can.

68 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:42:26am

re: #65 Political Atheist

Yes, it does vary. There are places where school boards are not very competitive. They tend to be the places with lower populations, or with populations who don’t have a lot of kids. In areas of high population density— i.e. most where people actually live in the US— the campaigns are fierce.

69 elisabeth  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:42:33am

He’s been forwarding these emails from his official email account which should be a violation in and of itself. That no one who received them for a year without telling him to stop is almost worse than him sending the emails in the first place.

70 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:42:40am

re: #64 Awea

How many school boards are in Chicago, how many are in nowheresville iowa

Tons of school boards in Chicago, fewer in Nowheresville Iowa.

71 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:43:06am

We hear so many lectures from types like Mr. DeGroft about “personal responsibility” but it’s always personal responsibility for other people other than themselves. He should resign.

72 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:43:21am

re: #67 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Sometimes we argue because the point is important, sometimes we argue to correct a wrong, but sometimes we argue just because we can.

Sometimes we argue because it’s the only way we know how to love, desperate to fling brands into the night even if the pallid stars, discarding solace for scorn, fade to a dreary dawn.

73 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:43:34am

re: #62 wrenchwench

DeGroft is the victim now.

Classic DARVO:

Deny
Accuse
Reverse
Victim and
Offender

74 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:43:47am

And on that note

We drive around looking at roofs!!
(ours is being replaced in two weeks and we want to see the type/ color we like on houses the roofer has recently done)

Oh ,, joy

75 BigPapa  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:43:48am

re: #62 wrenchwench

Poor racist. Poor poor racist.

76 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:43:58am

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Classic DARVO:

Deny
Accuse
Reverse
Victim and
Offender

Ah there’s a science to it :).

77 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:44:24am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

We hear so many lectures from types like Mr. DeGroft about “personal responsibility” but it’s always personal responsibility for other people other than themselves. He should resign.

Let’s run it like a private business. Fire him and ‘claw back’ some of his compensation.

78 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:44:32am

re: #67 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Sometimes we argue because the point is important, sometimes we argue to correct a wrong, but sometimes we argue just because we can.

If I had time I’d really debate this with you!!

79 Awea  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:45:00am

re: #70 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Tons of school boards in Chicago, fewer in Nowheresville Iowa.

No that would be 1 for chicago.

80 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:45:34am

re: #70 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Tons of school boards in Chicago, fewer in Nowheresville Iowa.

Only one in the city proper, but several others in Cook County. Some of the suburban school boards are responsible for schools for towns with a population of over 30,000. The largest suburb, Evanston, is over 100,000.

Places like that, winning takes more than lawn signs.

81 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:45:49am

re: #79 Awea

I think you’re mixing up the Chicago Board of Education with school boards for the individual schools.

82 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:45:49am

re: #72 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Sometimes we argue because it’s the only way we know how to love, desperate to fling brands into the night even if the pallid stars, discarding solace for scorn, fade to a dreary dawn.

Where is that from? Nice. A phrase of your creation?

83 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:47:23am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Ah there’s a science to it :).

Charles actually had an entire post devoted to the subject of DARVO. It’s often found in abuse situations.

84 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:47:39am

re: #82 Political Atheist

Where is that from? Nice. A phrase of your creation?

Yeah, it reminded me of my friend Lita who’s an economics teacher who sometimes stays up ‘till dawn arguing with people who support bitcoins and Reaganomics and other stupid economic ideas.

85 Awea  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:48:30am

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Only one in the city proper, but several others in Cook County. Some of the suburban school boards are responsible for schools for towns with a population of over 30,000. The largest suburb, Evanston, is over 100,000.

Places like that, winning takes more than lawn signs.

Absoultely, but there are more people living in Urban area, but there are more rural towns than urban. So more of the school boards would be in the rural areas.

I mean the population of the county in question has 35k, and they have one school board. My town has 2k and we have a school board.

86 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:48:37am

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

Charles actually had an entire post devoted to the subject of DARVO. It’s often found in abuse situations.

Ah, didn’t catch that. It is funny to me whenever an assclown like this is exposed for being well an assclown, it’s always a lame attempt to be the victim. I expect his next step will be attack Michelle Obama or the NAACP who are demanding his resignation.

87 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:48:55am

re: #84 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, it reminded me of my friend Lita who’s an economics teacher who sometimes stays up ‘till dawn arguing with people who support bitcoins and Reaganomics and other stupid economic ideas.

Very good, Obdi, very good indeed. It had a Shakespearean ‘feel’ to it.

88 Awea  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:49:58am

re: #81 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I think you’re mixing up the Chicago Board of Education with school boards for the individual schools.

No you are getting them mixed up, you dont have a school board for every school.

89 dragonath  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:50:03am

re: #64 Awea

How many school boards are in Chicago, how many are in nowheresville iowa

Story County, IA - Population 89,542

Ames Community School District
Ballard Community School District
Collins-Maxwell Community School District
Colo-NESCO Community School District
Gilbert Community School District
Nevada Community School District
Roland-Story Community School District

Area 11 Community College Board
Des Moines Area Community College

CITY OF CHICAGO SCHOOL DISTRICT 299 - Population 2,695,669

506 Elementary Schools
10 Middle Schools
137 High Schools

90 BigPapa  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:50:12am

re: #84 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Awesome. I got an oil change the other day and perused the ‘community board’ in the waiting room. They had signs with current exchange rates of gold coins, stating you could pay for services with gold coins.

Next to an InfoWars.com business card. I shit you not.

91 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:51:18am

Anway, I’m sick to death of the school board thingy. The only assertions I’m making are:

1. People voting for people on the school board are normally voting for them because they know them and their policies.

2. A depressingly lot of the time, these positions are stuff like pushing for prayer in school, banning gay-straight alliances, and other such bullshit.

That being said, in this case since everyone else is voting to axe him, he may have snuck on. Who knows. But it’s certainly no surprise when a guy who’s elected in Colorado Springs then votes to bay gay literature in the school library or to hold school prayers or put the 10 commandments up all over the place.

92 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:54:28am

re: #90 BigPapa

Lita is really convinced that she can teach everyone economics. Everyone! She’s pretty adorable.

She tried to volunteer at Gambler’s Anonymous and was kind of shocked to find out that gamblers aren’t in the least bit deterred by having the actual odds explained carefully to them, nor are they convinced by the numerous proofs that unless you have as much money as the House does, any strategy aside from the incredibly difficult ones that will get you noticed and kicked out anyway is going to fail.

93 BigPapa  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:59:26am

re: #92 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I would agree with her. I play in some local poker games and there seems to be a difference between those playing cards and those just coming for the adrenaline rush of gambling. Sometimes you just have to play tight or walk when surrounded by straight gamblers playing bad cards but throwing big money around.

They obviously don’t consider odds or position, or that a successful night of poker may be breaking even or leaving with only a little more money and not playing many hands.

94 BongCrodny  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:01:05am

The more obvious the racist intent, the stupider the excuse.

95 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:03:10am

I’ve only gambled a few times but there’s definitely a rush that you get especially if you have early success. You really think you can double your original start. One of the guys I was gambling with had actually tripled his original starting money but blew it all by going all in. I didn’t get that. I’d consider it a good night if I had what I started with and I’d consider it a great night if I could double or even triple my original start.

96 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:03:47am

re: #90 BigPapa

Awesome. I got an oil change the other day and perused the ‘community board’ in the waiting room. They had signs with current exchange rates of gold coins, stating you could pay for services with gold coins.

Next to an InfoWars.com business card. I shit you not.

I’m not surprised. But gold has gone down massively this year. This is not the time to buy gold.

The price of guns is starting to fall, too, making now a poor time to buy a gun as an investment. This is even true in Illinois, where the proposed magazine ban was defeated in the state senate yesterday on a 28 for-31 against vote.

Non-hybrid seeds, however, still have a market. Where I live, the major garden stores all sell ‘em and folks use ‘em to grow food in their gardens.

97 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:04:20am

re: #94 BongCrodny

The more obvious the racist intent, the stupider the excuse.

To be expected, since racism is itself quite stupid.

98 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:05:06am

Well, the first time I lose I drink whiskey
Second time I lose I drink gin
Third time I lose I drink anything
‘Cause I think I’m gonna win
eLyrics.net

Leave it to Gram Parsons to explain it better than I can.

99 efuseakay  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:07:03am

OMGZorZ! We findeded WMDz in Eerak!!!!

cnn.com

Oh, and BBC has pics!

bbc.co.uk

Sorry if I’m not of the belief that these guys were any sort of threat… sorry if I don’t even believe the guys in those hoods are even “bad” guys to begin with.

100 BongCrodny  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:08:54am

My favorite gambling song:

Jerry Reed - The Uptown Poker Club

101 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:11:18am

re: #99 efuseakay

OMGZorZ! We findeded WMDz in Eerak!!!!

cnn.com

Not a surprise, really. Whatever else is true, Saddam Hussein did prior to 1991 employ a good number of people in making chemical weapons and such people were distinctly on the outs with the government after the US overthrew Saddam. That some of them decided to resume their old business isn’t a stretch. Those who did are of course pieces of shit, since the use of sarin gas is a war crime by definition and cannot be morally justified under any circumstances.

102 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:13:19am

re: #100 BongCrodny

My favorite gambling song:

Jerry Reed - The Uptown Poker Club

Games People Play:

Youtube Video

103 Single-handed sailor  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:13:48am

re: #99 efuseakay

OMGZorZ! We findeded WMDz in Eerak!!!!

cnn.com

Oh, and BBC has pics!

bbc.co.uk

Sorry if I’m not of the belief that these guys were any sort of threat… sorry if I don’t even believe the guys in those hoods are even “bad” guys to begin with.

That was probably a meth lab.

104 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:15:22am

Afternoon kitteh break…
Last night the two little kittens were formally introduced to the dogs.
Here’s my 80+ pound hound nose-to-nose with little Growler.
love at first sight

105 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:15:23am

re: #103 Single-handed sailor

That was probably a meth lab.

That isn’t much better. Meth is hideous in its effects and production.

106 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:15:24am

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Not a surprise, really. Whatever else is true, Saddam Hussein did prior to 1991 employ a good number of people in making chemical weapons and such people were distinctly on the outs with the government after the US overthrew Saddam. That some of them decided to resume their old business isn’t a stretch. Those who did are of course pieces of shit, since the use of sarin gas is a war crime by definition and cannot be morally justified under any circumstances.

This could also explain the recent increase in drone strikes of the pas week.

Image: _67926540_67926539.jpg

I guess the yellow jumpsuits aren’t available in XXL yet.

107 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:15:52am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Weirdly, a lot of gamblers are addicted to losing, not winning.

108 klys and whatnot  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:30:13am

Morning Lizards.

Have a quick break before I need to get packed for today’s flight, but I see that, relevant to one of the discussions last tornado, seven of the nine deaths reported so far were inside their vehicles. (Gus, link has an autoplay video.)

Again, it’ll be really interesting to see how the reaction differed from the last tornado and whether that unfortunately put people in harm’s way - there was a nontrivial portion of the tornado track along some of the major interstates (I-40 in particular, I believe) and they were described as “parking lots.”

109 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:33:01am

Just keep digging, just keep digging

110 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:34:16am

re: #109 ProTARDISLiberal

Just keep digging, just keep digging

Dumb as a bag of hammers, that one.

111 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:42:12am
112 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:42:46am

By the way, I found the “Michelle Obama’s high school reunion” picture through Google Images. It’s very popular at far right websites.

113 dragonath  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:46:09am

I’ve been paying attention to a thread on the Turkey protests elsewhere, and boy, does it bring out the derp:

People who don’t know anything about Turkey
Or Muslims
Religious screwballs
Some Greek guy claiming that Greeks were “better masters of Anatolia”

Makes ya want to drink a nice cold draught of Efes!

Image: ba9ef6008fd6ea25a7afa64a7064a093_1276350406.jpg

114 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:48:11am
115 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:50:05am

Small plane crashes into Herndon apartment as family sleeps
I know the pilot. He does aerial photography. Everyone ok though. Yikes.

116 dragonath  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:54:15am

Oh, yeah. About the AKP:

Shares of Istanbul-based Efes slid May 24 as Parliament passed laws to ban the promotion of alcohol, forbid retailers from displaying alcoholic products where they would be visible from outside, add warning labels, restrict scenes on TV that may encourage drinking, outlaw sales within 100 meters (328 feet) of houses of worship or schools and prevent retail sales from 10 p.m. until 6 a.m. Erdogan told lawmakers the steps were in line with a constitutional obligation to protect the nation’s youth.

See- you screw with beer, among other things, and it tends to piss people off.

117 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:56:21am

re: #116 dragonath

Oh, yeah. About the AKP:

See- you screw with beer, among other things, and it tends to piss people off.

These protests are basically moderate Muslims protesting against Shariah law.

Not that the right-wing is going to grasp that.

118 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:56:42am

He was attempting to land on the Dulles toll road. Was so close too.

119 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:57:33am

re: #108 klys and whatnot

Morning Lizards.

Have a quick break before I need to get packed for today’s flight, but I see that, relevant to one of the discussions last tornado, seven of the nine deaths reported so far were inside their vehicles. (Gus, link has an autoplay video.)

Again, it’ll be really interesting to see how the reaction differed from the last tornado and whether that unfortunately put people in harm’s way - there was a nontrivial portion of the tornado track along some of the major interstates (I-40 in particular, I believe) and they were described as “parking lots.”

Hi You..I don’t know what to say about this..After 4 days of tornadoes and Moore being destroyed 2 weeks ago, I think there was a certain stress involved..
A Sort of feeling that I got to get the fuck out of here and just go..My Neighbors and I were talking about the same thing..We had a tornado early on that hit right by us at the University a few blocks away and everybody was ready to flee by car.. I’m glad we didn’t because I-35 was a parking lot by then.
We sat by the TV like everybody else watching hell and drinking beer. By the time it got really bad nobody was sober enough to drive and yet the senses were razor sharp ready for anything.. Strange feelings among everybody..Helpless yet in a survival mode.
Hard to explain but it was good to be with others and not alone just waiting.

120 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:59:10am

re: #108 klys and whatnot

Morning Lizards.

Have a quick break before I need to get packed for today’s flight, but I see that, relevant to one of the discussions last tornado, seven of the nine deaths reported so far were inside their vehicles. (Gus, link has an autoplay video.)

Again, it’ll be really interesting to see how the reaction differed from the last tornado and whether that unfortunately put people in harm’s way - there was a nontrivial portion of the tornado track along some of the major interstates (I-40 in particular, I believe) and they were described as “parking lots.”

I heard the Mayor of OKC on Maddow last night say he was scared when he heard people were leaving town and not taking shelter.

121 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:59:36am

re: #119 HoosierHoops

I for one am happy to see you here. I hope you did not have too much damage to your property.

122 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:01:42pm

re: #121 PhillyPretzel

I for one am happy to see you here. I hope you did not have too much damage to your property.

Indeed.

123 klys and whatnot  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:03:29pm

re: #119 HoosierHoops

Hi You..I don’t know what to say about this..After 4 days of tornadoes and Moore being destroyed 2 weeks ago, I think there was a certain stress involved..
A Sort of feeling that I got to get the fuck out of here and just go..My Neighbors and I were talking about the same thing..We had a tornado early on that hit right by us at the University a few blocks away and everybody was ready to flee by car.. I’m glad we didn’t because I-35 was a parking lot by then.
We sat by the TV like everybody else watching hell and drinking beer. By the time it got really bad nobody was sober enough to drive and yet the senses were razor sharp ready for anything.. Strange feelings among everybody..Helpless yet in a survival mode.
Hard to explain but it was good to be with others and not alone just waiting.

Hoops, so glad to see you are safe.

I know there are so many stresses involved and I have the advantage of looking at it from the outside. I hope that there wasn’t any damage to your home and that your neighbors are all safe as well.

124 Bear  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:06:07pm

re: #121 PhillyPretzel

I for one am happy to see you here. I hope you did not have too much damage to your property.

A big plus on that. Watched several hours of coverage.

125 klys and whatnot  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:06:31pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

I heard the Mayor of OKC on Maddow last night say he was scared when he heard people were leaving town and not taking shelter.

To some extent, the time to drive away is well before the shit hits the fan.

The best analogy I can think of is the Australian wildfire policy (which I know they were going to re-examine after two years ago) where you choose to stay and defend or get out of town well before anything starts happening.

126 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:06:33pm

re: #119 HoosierHoops

Great to see you posting unhurt. If you’d like to leave OK for a bit, well my shake and bake town can be very welcoming.

127 dragonath  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:10:29pm
128 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:11:57pm
129 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:13:27pm

re: #126 Political Atheist

Great to see you posting unhurt. If you’d like to leave OK for a bit, well my shake and bake town can be very welcoming.

Amen Brother..I’m flying home to Napa Valley July 2nd for vacation.

130 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:14:25pm

re: #119 HoosierHoops

So glad to see you made it through this madness. Heartbreaking to see people have to keep going through this after one big tragedy. (((hugs)))

131 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:18:48pm

State Of Oklahoma Mulls Vacation After Troubles

will consider anyplace that does not whirl around or blow away

132 sagehen  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:19:38pm

re: #93 BigPapa

I would agree with her. I play in some local poker games and there seems to be a difference between those playing cards and those just coming for the adrenaline rush of gambling. Sometimes you just have to play tight or walk when surrounded by straight gamblers playing bad cards but throwing big money around.

They obviously don’t consider odds or position, or that a successful night of poker may be breaking even or leaving with only a little more money and not playing many hands.

From a “Roseanne” episode, she comes home just as Dan’s poker game is breaking up.

“So Arnie, how’d you do?”

“Lost $20, ate four sandwiches. So, broke even.”

133 Interesting Times  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:20:31pm

Which other Lizards are from Oklahoma? There’s justaminute and funky chicken as far as I recall, and maybe Pawn of the Oppressor as well.

Hope they can all check in at some point.

134 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:21:53pm

re: #133 Interesting Times

It would good to hear how the other OK lizards are doing.

135 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:25:41pm

Hell.


She would have turned 9 tomorrow.

136 Lidane  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:27:44pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

What I don’t understand is how this dickface could be circulating emails like this for over a year and then be surprised when he got caught.

What I don’t understand is how it took a whole year to point out that he was circulating these emails.

137 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:31:38pm

did he really send them on work email? i would have expected to be very fired after the first one. extremely fired

138 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 12:36:40pm

re: #136 Lidane

What I don’t understand is how it took a whole year to point out that he was circulating these emails.

I suspect that the Superintendent was not on his email list. Nor his fellow board member Mrs. Denise Tynes.

139 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 1:25:08pm

re: #119 HoosierHoops

I’m glad to hear you came though it all in one piece - must have been a hell of a couple of weeks here.

140 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 1:29:03pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

A minor oversight on his part I’m sure…

Seriously, WTF?

141 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 1:33:46pm

re: #119 HoosierHoops

Hi You..I don’t know what to say about this..After 4 days of tornadoes and Moore being destroyed 2 weeks ago, I think there was a certain stress involved..
A Sort of feeling that I got to get the fuck out of here and just go..My Neighbors and I were talking about the same thing..We had a tornado early on that hit right by us at the University a few blocks away and everybody was ready to flee by car.. I’m glad we didn’t because I-35 was a parking lot by then.
We sat by the TV like everybody else watching hell and drinking beer. By the time it got really bad nobody was sober enough to drive and yet the senses were razor sharp ready for anything.. Strange feelings among everybody..Helpless yet in a survival mode.
Hard to explain but it was good to be with others and not alone just waiting.

Dude, you GOT a place to go to. Get your butt out of Tornado Alley and get up here to that farm you own. We’ve been getting nice little rain storms this spring, not tornadoes. It’s really time for you to move.

142 djcelts  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:17:33pm

Political? What does the Richmond, VA School Board have to do with the First Lady? This couldn’t be more racist in nature.


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