Dear Robert Spencer: Yes, I’m Being Paid

A confession
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Anti-Muslim hate group leader Robert Spencer got very upset at my post pointing out that his partner in bigotry Pamela Geller had simply lied in a recent piece for Breitbart.com, and dashed off a quick rant about me with the usual dark hints of conspiracies and a massive load of projection: In Wake of London Jihad Murder, Hamas-Linked CAIR Spreads Hatred and Lies About Pamela Geller - Jihad Watch.

The poisonous duo

They were linking to a hit piece by Charles Johnson at the blog Little Green Footballs. Longtime Jihad Watch readers may remember Johnson as a once-prominent counter-jihad blogger who, for reasons still unknown, betrayed all his principles and began devoting his time to smearing his former friends and associates. His site still exists, although it is now just a bitter, spiteful hate site wholly dedicated to defaming and destroying those who are trying to defend freedom. Having proven himself thoroughly untrustworthy, Johnson is shunned by the Left and despised by the Right. The only people who still take him seriously are the stealth jihadis at Hamas-linked CAIR, who find his hate screeds useful to demonize voices of freedom and clear away all obstacles to the advance of the bloody jihad that just struck on the streets of Boston, London and Paris.

He’s playing dumb, but Spencer knows very well the reasons why I got the hell away from him and his crazy, hateful friends, as does anyone else who’s paid attention to this saga. Spencer knows that I find his associations with groups like the English Defence League repellent and disgusting, and he knows that I’m on to his poisonous rube-fleecing hate speech.

This is far from the first time Spencer and Geller have hinted around about secret Muslim conspiracies that are paying me off to attack them and their noble, freedom-fighting cause. See: Geller and Spencer Spew Conspiracy Theories at Your Humble Narrator.

But I have to admit something — Spencer is right. I am being paid. Not by CAIR, though, and not in cash.

I’m being paid with the peace of mind that comes from knowing I did the right thing by renouncing him and his divisive, hateful agenda, and knowing that I’m continuing to do the right thing by exposing him and Geller when they lie, smear, promote fascist groups and ideas, and encourage the ugliest forms of xenophobia.

You can take that to the bank.

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166 comments
1 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:26:08pm
2 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:27:17pm

Robert Spencer has a beard.

Therefore, he must be a Muslim.

Thank you Texas Tea Party forum for pointing that out.

3 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:28:13pm

You can oppose radical Islam and not be a nutty bigot!? Inconceivable!!!

4 erik_t  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:29:21pm

I can’t take anyone who uses the phrase “counter-jihad” seriously. Even if I could, it would certainly not be as a modifier for the word “blogger”.

The phrase puts me into a giggle fit every damned time.

5 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:30:32pm

Good one.

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:33:08pm

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa….hold up.

If this is a bitter, spiteful hate site than what in the heck is Atlas shrugs??

7 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:34:43pm

Charles Johnson

One piece of irony you forgot to mention is how Spencer called your site a hate site.

8 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:35:04pm

OT: Feline overlord update.

I posted here a week or so ago about our dear cat who had a nasty bout of Pneumonia and the vet was unsure if she’d survive.

I am happy to report that she has responded well to the meds, put on a few pounds of body weight and has now resumed her prior life of scratching, exploring, escaping and otherwise causing mischief she shouldn’t be.

I hope she got it beat, she’s just about done with the meds and still doing well.

9 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:35:42pm

re: #7 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson

One piece of irony you forgot to mention is how Spencer called your site a hate site.

We’re pretty harsh about pineapple pizza.

10 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:38:07pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

I don’t like Pineapple Pizza either, I guess I’m an anti Pineapple Pizza bigot. ; )

11 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:38:10pm

re: #7 CriticalDragon1177

This is a hate site? They have an odd way of looking at things.

12 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:42:07pm

re: #10 CriticalDragon1177

I don’t like Pineapple Pizza either, I guess I’m an anti Pineapple Pizza bigot. ; )

Quattro Stagioni jihadist !!1!

13 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:44:05pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

We’re pretty harsh about pineapple pizza.

Tis a hanging offense.

/

14 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:47:13pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

Tis a hanging offense.

/

You know what I did?

I took a pineapple, cut it into full slices, and used one of those as a platter. on that platter I put sliced tomatoes, and on top of that, prosciutto and and aggressively sharp shaved cheddar.

So basically, a pineapple ham pizza.

15 jaunte  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:47:25pm
His site still exists, although it is now just a bitter, spiteful hate site wholly dedicated to defaming and destroying those who are trying to defend freedom.

Hilarity ensues.

16 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:48:26pm

re: #14 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You know what I did?

I took a pineapple, cut it into full slices, and used one of those as a platter. on that platter I put sliced tomatoes, and on top of that, prosciutto and and aggressively sharp shaved cheddar.

So basically, a pineapple ham pizza.

Hmm…we are willing to overlook that…this time.

/

17 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:48:27pm

re: #11 PhillyPretzel

This is a hate site? They have an odd way of looking at things.

You can pretty much take everything Spencer accuses me of in that pile of steamy hate, turn it right around, and have something a lot closer to the truth. It’s pure projection, a classic psychological defense mechanism.

18 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:48:39pm

OH YEAH! CHARLES JOHNSON HAS A PONY TAIL, RIDES BICYCLES AND LIKES JAZZ! SO THERE!

DERP.

19 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:48:45pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

You can pretty much take everything Spencer accuses me of in that pile of steamy hate, turn it right around, and have something a lot closer to the truth. It’s pure projection, a classic psychological defense mechanism.

More projection than an IMAX theater.

20 jaunte  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:49:14pm

WHOLLY DEDICATED!!!

21 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:49:18pm

re: #14 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You know what I did?

I took a pineapple, cut it into full slices, and used one of those as a platter. on that platter I put sliced tomatoes, and on top of that, prosciutto and and aggressively sharp shaved cheddar.

So basically, a pineapple ham pizza.

1 out of 3 ain’t bad.

theitaliandish.blogspot.com

22 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:49:48pm

re: #20 jaunte

Yet irrelevant.

23 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:51:20pm

Welcome, newbie.

Youtube Video

24 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:55:41pm

My stinky sense is tingling.

25 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:55:58pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

My mother makes homemade from scratch pizza for my dad every Sunday night, usually with homemade sausage on it.

I love her tomato sauce recipe, I use it myself.

26 jaunte  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:58:26pm

The reticent imminence stretched.

27 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 1:59:31pm

re: #25 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

My mother makes homemade from scratch pizza for my dad every Sunday night, usually with homemade sausage on it.

I love her tomato sauce recipe, I use it myself.

When I get caught up on all the other crap, I still plan to build an outdoor oven.

Recipe for German Chocolate Cake:
1. Capture a field kitchen.
2. ….
3.

28 jaunte  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:00:31pm

What’s going on in Florida?
Llama busts loose in Fla., subdued with taser

Outside of Tampa, meanwhile, authorities chased an errant kangaroo for 10 hours before finally getting close enough Sunday to stop him with tranquilizer darts.

29 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:00:53pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

Not a newbie at all, a sock.

30 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:01:44pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Not a newbie at all, a sock.

Ah, a ‘golden oldie’.

31 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:03:34pm

re: #25 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

My mother makes homemade from scratch pizza for my dad every Sunday night, usually with homemade sausage on it.

I love her tomato sauce recipe, I use it myself.

I just wrote on FB, asking for your recipe for the sauce!

32 PT Barnum  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:20:47pm

I had a former friend, turned wingnut, who used Robert Spencer’s Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam as a source of information about Islam in an argument. We stopped being friends soon after that.

33 Occam's Guillotine  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:24:22pm
….spiteful hate site wholly dedicated to defaming and destroying those who are trying to defend freedom.

All true, but he left out mock, lampoon, and ridicule. That’s all we do, mock mock, mock around the clock. Have another round of fried cheese curls on me, Robert, and another gin and tonic for Pam.

34 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:24:57pm

DERP

35 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:26:04pm

‘Trust me’ not good enough: B.C. rejects proposed Northern Gateway pipeline

And the only other obvious route for Canadian tar sands is shut. Next up, Keystone.

36 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:35:17pm

I think we better send the badger ladies after little Bobby Spencer.
littlegreenfootballs.com

37 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:36:02pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

do what now? What the hell is he talking about?

(asks the agnostic who hasn’t had a Bible in the house in years)

38 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:37:59pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

‘Trust me’ not good enough: B.C. rejects proposed Northern Gateway pipeline

And the only other obvious route for Canadian tar sands is shut. Next up, Keystone.

Hence the stepped up campaigning effort on the part of the Harper government and by Congressional Republicans to get Keystone rammed through. A lot of politically connected folks stand to make a lot of money off the construction of said pipeline and the selling of the resulting distillation products overseas.

39 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:42:12pm
40 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:43:58pm

Giggles, but what is she getting paid for?
///

41 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:44:01pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

They aren’t even good bullies. I mean if you’re going to go to the trouble…

I know some high school kids that could make them both cry.

42 kirkspencer  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:44:38pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Which means he doesn’t read - or mis-cites - his bible.

The interpretation of that dream (sent by God, not by Christ) was:

And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. —Acts 10:28

43 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:44:49pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Is that supposed to be a fat joke?

44 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:45:20pm

How many Twitter accounts does Geller have, anyway? I thought this was against the terms.

45 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:45:23pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

YOU SEE!?!?!? YOU SEE!?!?!?

Dumbass.

46 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:46:10pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

One is the account of the corporate entity Atlas Shrugs, I betcha.

47 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:47:33pm

re: #46 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

One is the account of the corporate entity Atlas Shrugs, I betcha.

Those aren’t the only ones. She has accounts for her hate group AFDI as well. And constantly retweets the same things from all of them.

48 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:49:07pm

re: #43 Gus

Is that supposed to be a fat joke?

“Sugar cubes” could be a drug reference, but reveals my age.

49 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:49:50pm

re: #43 Gus

I have no idea. Once she went into a rant about how my hat was “stinky.” She’s several shingles shy of a roof.

50 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:52:41pm

re: #48 Decatur Deb

“Sugar cubes” could be a drug reference, but reveals my age.

I just yelled “I’m looking for sugar cubes” out the window and got no offers, so I doubt it.

51 PT Barnum  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:52:56pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I have no idea. Once she went into a rant about how my hat was “stinky.” She’s several shingles shy of a roof.

three chairs short of a dinette set

52 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:53:51pm

re: #51 PT Barnum

Or a couple shy of a six-pack?

53 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:53:57pm

re: #48 Decatur Deb

You feed ‘em to horses too, so is Charles a horse who eats burgers and sugar cubes?

Stupid is as stupid does Pam.

54 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:54:23pm

re: #50 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Maybe she was indirectly calling me a horse.

/neigh

55 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:54:46pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Giggles,
hay!

56 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:55:00pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I have no idea. Once she went into a rant about how my hat was “stinky.” She’s several shingles shy of a roof.

The gutters are on but there’s no downspouts.

57 PT Barnum  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:56:50pm

re: #56 Gus

The gutters are on but there’s no downspouts.

Elevator doesn’t go to the top floor

58 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:57:10pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Maybe she was indirectly calling me a horse.

/neigh

A horse…with a ponytail.

…I must meditate on this.

59 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:58:00pm

re: #40 Dancing along the light of day

Giggles, but what is she getting paid for?
///

For some reason, my brain initially read that as “what is she getting paid in?,” and the first thing that game to mind was “Cheap gin.”

60 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:58:00pm

re: #57 PT Barnum

Elevator doesn’t go to the top floor

Elevator contains rhesus monkeys and banana slugs.

61 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:58:07pm

re: #58 The Ghost of a Flea

A horse…with a ponytail.

…I must meditate on this.

THAT COULD BE THE CONNECTION!

62 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:58:38pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

THAT COULD BE THE CONNECTION!

See #18.

63 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:58:49pm
64 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:59:19pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

We’re pretty harsh about pineapple pizza.

I have a hair trigger downding button and I’m not askerd to use it.

65 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 2:59:32pm

Daughter is on the phone, BBL. Appearently my grandson is feeling well enough to launch himself off the dresser to the bed. The same child who was in a medically induced coma in the ICU a week ago. Medical technology is a wonder, ain’t it? Meanwhile my daughter is about to duct tape him to a chair….

66 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:00:07pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

THAT COULD BE THE CONNECTION!

Such cutting wit is what has made her the powerhouse of convincing rhetoric and philosophical insight that she is today.

67 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:01:34pm

Pamela Geller: The Oscar Wilde of the counter jihad.

68 PT Barnum  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:02:26pm

re: #65 A Mom Anon

Daughter is on the phone, BBL. Appearently my grandson is feeling well enough to launch himself off the dresser to the bed. The same child who was in a medically induced coma in the ICU a week ago. Medical technology is a wonder, ain’t it? Meanwhile my daughter is about to duct tape him to a chair….

two words for you:
Velcro Pajamas

69 PT Barnum  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:03:17pm

re: #67 Kragar

Pamela Geller: The Oscar Wilde of the counter jihad.

Pamela Geller what Anne Coulter would be if she wasn’t restrained by her conscience

70 kirkspencer  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:06:59pm

re: #37 A Mom Anon

do what now? What the hell is he talking about?

(asks the agnostic who hasn’t had a Bible in the house in years)

Acts 10.

71 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:09:49pm

Pennsylvania judge sentenced to 28 years in prison for selling teens to prisons

Disgraced Pennsylvania judge Mark Ciavarella Jr has been sentenced to 28 years in prison for conspiring with private prisons to sentence juvenile offenders to maximum sentences for bribes and kickbacks which totaled millions of dollars. He was also ordered to pay $1.2 million in restitution.

In the private prison industry the more time an inmate spends in a facility, the more of a profit is reaped from the state. Ciavearella was a figurehead in a conspiracy in the state of Pennsylvania which saw thousands of young men and women unjustly punished and penalized in the name of corporate profit.

According to allgov.com Ciavearella’s cases from 2003 - 2008 were reviewed by a special investigative panel and later by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and it was found that upwards of 5,000 young men and women were denied their constitutional rights, and therefore all of their convictions were dismissed and were summarily released.

During his sentencing Ciavarella was defiant, claiming he had broken no laws and claimed the money he received was a legitimate ‘finder’s fee.

If anyone actually needed a reason why private prisons are poisonous to society, this is it.

72 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:10:31pm

And now, the secret world of the Honey Badgers Of The Kalahari.

Youtube Video

This is the original NatGeo show that the parody video came from.

73 PT Barnum  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:10:46pm

re: #70 kirkspencer

Acts 10.

Oddly enough many atheists and agnostics know more about religious beliefs than their adherents.

74 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:13:46pm

re: #71 Kragar

Pennsylvania judge sentenced to 28 years in prison for selling teens to prisons

If anyone actually needed a reason why private prisons are poisonous to society, this is it.

Or, basically, any time a group is profiting significantly from prison growth. Public prisons make a lot of money for a lot of private corporations, too.

75 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:18:04pm

re: #74 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And the prison union in California is one of the most anti-progressive things in the state.

76 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:18:14pm

I have to say I love my SSD. Being on the internet is so quiet now. The fan never kicks on, the drive never spins. It’s the best option for low power green computing.

77 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:18:47pm

The sound of thousands of barking geckos fills the Kalahari night.

78 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:19:32pm

My god, this ad is annoying me.

“Electricity is added to a guitar, and rock and roll is born”.

I’m fairly sure the first dudes using electric were Hawaiian, actually. Charles, do you know if that’s right? And they were jazzy dudes, not rock and roll. Late thirties. I think.

79 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:22:25pm

re: #78 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

My god, this ad is annoying me.

“Electricity is added to a guitar, and rock and roll is born”.

I’m fairly sure the first dudes using electric were Hawaiian, actually. Charles, do you know if that’s right? And they were jazzy dudes, not rock and roll. Late thirties. I think.

I believe the first person to record a solo on electric guitar was jazz guitarist Charlie Christian.

80 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:25:00pm

re: #78 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

My god, this ad is annoying me.

“Electricity is added to a guitar, and rock and roll is born”.

I’m fairly sure the first dudes using electric were Hawaiian, actually. Charles, do you know if that’s right? And they were jazzy dudes, not rock and roll. Late thirties. I think.

Come now, we all know how it went.

Youtube Video

81 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:25:21pm

21 Valedictorians Visit The Champs-Elysses

82 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:28:11pm
83 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:29:28pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

I believe the first person to record a solo on electric guitar was jazz guitarist Charlie Christian.

I was thinking of Bob Dunn

Bob Dunn is noted as the first musician to record an electrically amplified instrument—as a member of Milton Brown and His Musical Brownies—on January 27, 1935.

I think he was in support, not doing any solo.

84 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:29:30pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

I believe the first person to record a solo on electric guitar was jazz guitarist Charlie Christian.

it’s said that charlie christian invented the electric guitar in the same way that coleman hawkins invented the saxophone

85 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:32:34pm

re: #83 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I was thinking of Bob Dunn

I think he was in support, not doing any solo.

Yeah, they originally started amplifying guitars so they could be heard in those big jazz bands - at that time the guitar was mainly a rhythm instrument in those bands, there weren’t many soloists.

86 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:33:35pm

re: #78 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

“Electricity is added to a guitar, and rock and roll is born”.

history compressed small enough to fit on tv not enough space left for meaning

87 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:34:23pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

So what really annoys me about that ad is it makes it sound like the technological advance produced the music. Electric guitars were around for quite awhile before rock and roll started; sure, they were a big part of it, but it was creative musicians, not technologists, who invented rock and roll.

I hate this idea that technology creates its own path. It still takes human minds getting creative with it.

88 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:34:58pm

re: #86 engineer cat

history compressed small enough to fit on tv not enough space left for meaning

The entire universe of Elite fits on a floppy disk.

89 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:38:12pm

You know, turntables have been around a long, long time. Scratching could have been invented back in 1900.

That would have kind of ruled.

90 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:41:54pm
91 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:43:03pm

re: #70 kirkspencer

Acts 10.

they have bumper stickers around here for the “acts full gospel church”

i think of them after a big meal when i am feeling full and acting like it

92 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:43:08pm

Damn it.

93 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:44:07pm

Anyway. Link: nbcnews.com

94 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:45:35pm

re: #93 Gus

Anyway. Link: nbcnews.com

Neat.

95 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:47:31pm

re: #94 Varek Raith

Neat.

Yep. Doesn’t have to be anything fancy. Just something to ride out a tornado. Underground.

96 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:52:12pm

re: #70 kirkspencer

Acts 10.

a pretty vague and metaphorical passage to base the supersession of kosher law on

97 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:57:40pm

re: #95 Gus

I heard a show on NPR about storm shelters in places like Oklahoma - one reason they don’t have more of them is because the soil’s high clay content. It makes cellars very prone to leaking water and you have to use special sealing techniques to prevent the leakage.

It’s not that much more expensive, either. But the reputation that cellars have for leaking water is one of the big stumbling blocks to convincing more people to build them.

98 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:58:25pm

Writing a page about Doctor Who, however, I will say one thing right now:

Rupert Grint for the 12th Doctor! Rude and Ginger!

99 PT Barnum  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:59:57pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

I heard a show on NPR about storm shelters in places like Oklahoma - one reason they don’t have more of them is because the soil’s high clay content. It makes cellars very prone to leaking water and you have to use special sealing techniques to prevent the leakage.

It’s not that much more expensive, either. But the reputation that cellars have for leaking water is one of the big stumbling blocks to convincing more people to build them.

I seem to recall reading that a “storm room” was adequate, meaning that it just had to be a room set up in the home that was adequate to withstand the high winds etc. Which just meant it had to have walls sufficiently thick to protect against flying debris and heavy enough to prevent flying away,

100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 3:59:59pm

re: #95 Gus

It’s also got to not get flooded during a tornado underground, which ups the challenge level a bit, but this is goddamn America! We are arguably one of the most powerful nations in the history of earth. Can we really not get our shit together and dig some really fucking good holes in the ground for our citizens who live in areas where the sky reaches down to smack them around?

101 Lidane  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:00:24pm

re: #73 PT Barnum

Oddly enough many atheists and agnostics know more about religious beliefs than their adherents.

Because it helps to actually know what you’re rejecting. Heh.

103 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:01:18pm

re: #98 ProTARDISLiberal

Writing a page about Doctor Who, however, I will say one thing right now:

Rupert Grint for the 12th Doctor! Rude and Ginger!

Nope, it should be Sean Pertwee.

104 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:01:41pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

I’ve had it asserted that over the border in Arkansas there’s well-built shelter everywhere. But I don’t know if it’s true. It may be one of those things where a grant program or regulation made some big difference.

105 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:01:47pm

re: #103 Kragar

Rude and Ginger! You will be upgraded!

106 PT Barnum  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:02:38pm

re: #101 Lidane

Because it helps to actually know what you’re rejecting. Heh.

I became an agnostic after being a religion/anthropology major, much to my mother’s dismay, her being a minister and all.

107 GeneJockey  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:04:00pm

re: #69 PT Barnum

Pamela Geller what Anne Coulter would be if she wasn’t restrained by her conscience

More like what Ann Coulter would be if she took any of this shit seriously.

108 PT Barnum  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:04:07pm

re: #103 Kragar

Nope, it should be Sean Pertwee.

I heard Eddie Izzard as one suggestion which while amazingly demented, could be a lot of fun.

109 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:04:14pm

re: #105 ProTARDISLiberal

Rude and Ginger! You will be upgraded!

Sean Pertwee.

110 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:04:23pm

re: #99 PT Barnum

I seem to recall reading that a “storm room” was adequate, meaning that it just had to be a room set up in the home that was adequate to withstand the high winds etc. Which just meant it had to have walls sufficiently thick to protect against flying debris and heavy enough to prevent flying away,

With the tornado that hit Moore, it’s hard to imagine an above-ground room that would be feasible to put in a house that could have survived. There was a square mile area of neighborhood that was just completely razed to the ground.

Maybe a reinforced concrete bunker would do it, but that doesn’t make sense in a private house.

111 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:04:48pm

re: #50 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I just yelled “I’m looking for sugar cubes” out the window and got no offers, so I doubt it.

The world was ready for Björk, but not Icelandic rap.

Youtube Video

112 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:05:15pm
113 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:05:34pm

re: #108 PT Barnum

True. I remember seeing his little thing on Birdstrikes after the Plane in the Hudson.

re: #108 PT Barnum

I’d rather not have being the Doctor turn into being a Hereditary Position.

114 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:08:36pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

How many Twitter accounts does Geller have, anyway? I thought this was against the terms.

In case one of the accounts gets “Gulaged” they can still hatetweet from their “backup” accounts.

115 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:11:03pm

before there was twitter there was twee

116 GeneJockey  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:13:49pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Maybe a reinforced concrete bunker would do it, but that doesn’t make sense in a private house.

Therein lies the problem - the likelihood you’d ever need anything like that is vanishingly small, and building one is awfully expensive, and you only get to feel smart about building one when the rest of you block is destroyed. Otherwise your neighbors think you’re nuts.

Or you’ll get into a fight over it, like in that Twilight Zone episode.

117 PT Barnum  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:14:26pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

With the tornado that hit Moore, it’s hard to imagine an above-ground room that would be feasible to put in a house that could have survived. There was a square mile area of neighborhood that was just completely razed to the ground.

Maybe a reinforced concrete bunker would do it, but that doesn’t make sense in a private house.

Most of the rooms are actually stand alone units but rated with heavy duty steel construction and doors.

an example: globalindustrial.com

118 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:15:00pm

Tornado Over Kansas. John Stewart Curry, 1929. (I like how they rescue the kittehs and the puppies)

119 PT Barnum  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:15:37pm

re: #116 GeneJockey

Therein lies the problem - the likelihood you’d ever need anything like that is vanishingly small, and building one is awfully expensive, and you only get to feel smart about building one when the rest of you block is destroyed. Otherwise your neighbors think you’re nuts.

Or you’ll get into a fight over it, like in that Twilight Zone episode.

Prices appear to run around 6-7k. Which is a lot of cash for a lot of people.

120 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:15:45pm

re: #100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s also got to not get flooded during a tornado underground, which ups the challenge level a bit, but this is goddamn America! We are arguably one of the most powerful nations in the history of earth. Can we really not get our shit together and dig some really fucking good holes in the ground for our citizens who live in areas where the sky reaches down to smack them around?

Quoted for truth.

121 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:15:48pm

for my summer vacation i am in training at a cat monastery where i am studying how to lie in the same place for many hours not doing much of anything

then i go sleep summore

122 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:16:25pm

re: #115 engineer cat

before there was twitter there was twee

No fatties.
— Geoffrey Miller, PhD

123 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:16:35pm

re: #121 engineer cat

for my summer vacation i am in training at a cat monastery where i am studying how to lie in the same place for many hours not doing much of anything

then i go sleep summore

Meowooooommmm.

124 jaunte  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:21:15pm

re: #112 Gus

Geoffrey Miller also tweeting about “Britain’s Islamic Future” via The Gatestone Institute.

125 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:21:45pm

re: #124 jaunte

Geoffrey Miller also tweeting about “Britain’s Islamic Future” via The Gatestone Institute.

Was just looking at that.

126 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:23:09pm

Good evening Lizards.

Relaxing after dinner in a hotel in the thriving metropolis of Painted Post, NY. Spent the last 3-4 days visiting my brother and then today in the NY Finger Lakes region. Trails were hiked and wineries visited. I’ll post some pictures once I get things downloaded and I might do a page on Watkins Glen State Park since I think it’s a pretty interesting site. (Though both times I’ve hiked in there it has also rained.)

Tomorrow will probably be visiting a few museums nearby* and then a leisurely drive back towards Philadelphia. I don’t have to be in to work until Wednesday and someone is checking on the cats through Tuesday as well.

* - Painted Post is essentially next to Corning, NY. So the Glass Museum and a well-regarded museum of Western Art are the probable agenda.

127 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:23:29pm

re: #124 jaunte

re: #125 Gus

This guy is a class act, isn’t he.

////all of the sarcasm

128 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:23:50pm

re: #104 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’ve had it asserted that over the border in Arkansas there’s well-built shelter everywhere. But I don’t know if it’s true. It may be one of those things where a grant program or regulation made some big difference.

Standard shipping containers are great for making shelter structures, believe the Marines have used them this way. In tornado country you’d still want to bury them at least part way to keep them from being bashed in by the debris cloud, but you could just bolt them securely to a ground pad and protect the sides and top with either concrete or rammed earth, or both. The floors are stronger than the roofs so it’s best to flip them over if you are going to stack sandbags, etc on top.

The recession has spurred lots of architects and designers to create really innovative floor plans using relatively cheap and available shipping containers and pre fabbed concrete tunnel forms. I don’t know why the designs haven’t trickled down to the traditional housing development level except that people are kind of conditioned to want homes that look like normal homes.

129 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:26:38pm

re: #124 jaunte

Geoffrey Miller also tweeting about “Britain’s Islamic Future” via The Gatestone Institute.

Which includes Fjordman and Robert Spencer as columnists.

130 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:27:49pm
131 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:30:32pm

re: #119 PT Barnum

Prices appear to run around 6-7k. Which is a lot of cash for a lot of people.

Yeah but there could be a savings on the home owners insurance policy because of the reduced potential for catastrophic injury. Over the life of a 30 year mortgage that could potentially more than offset the up front cost of the shelter, even after factoring in inflation.

132 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:30:51pm
133 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:32:35pm

This is almost too easy.

134 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:33:55pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Also, neighborhoods could pool money for one.

6-7k is a lot for one family, but it could be manageable for a little group of them.

135 Stanghazi  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:38:24pm
136 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:39:06pm

re: #134 ProTARDISLiberal

Also, neighborhoods could pool money for one.

6-7k is a lot for one family, but it could be manageable for a little group of them.

That opens a new kettle of fish involving security of the shelter, access, maintenance, etc.

137 jaunte  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:39:23pm

The Hummer Diaries

138 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:40:45pm

Follows Richard B. Spencer.

139 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:42:47pm

re: #136 Feline Fearless Leader

True. But in monetary terms, it makes more sense.

That is an argument that I will be using on another subject in a bit.

140 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:46:12pm

Isn’t there a way to say burydig a storm shelter ~2 to 4’ below grade, anchor it to the rock below and then bury it under a sloping hill?

141 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:49:00pm

re: #140 Amory Blaine

Isn’t there a way to say burydig a storm shelter ~2 to 4’ below grade, anchor it to the rock below and then bury it under a sloping hill?

No rock below.

142 rosiee  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:49:29pm

Mr Johnson, your character shines through.

143 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:50:09pm

Could it still be anchored with giant screws or something. Like anchors they use for mobile homes only bigger?

144 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:51:04pm
145 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:51:59pm

Nice set of wheels I saw at a winery today. Was probably a nice travel mode in the area today once the rain stopped.

Image: Mustang.jpg

146 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:53:16pm

Been checking out some Queen music on Youtube. “Radio ga ga” is an underrated song I think.

147 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:54:54pm

More from NY. A very welcome sign on a hot day. :)

Image: Slushies.jpg

148 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:57:09pm

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

Shipping Container Homes.

Those have always seemed to me to be ideal shelters for long-term survival in the event of zombie apocalypse, EXCEPT that I can’t figure out how to solve the problem of air circulation / purification. If the zombie pathogen is airborne, I’m totally hosed.

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:00:58pm

And my post-hiking repast.

The food:
Image: Lunch_-_Smoked_trout_and_a_Pinot_Griz.jpg

The view:
Image: View_from_deck.jpg
(The view is looking east towards Lake Cayuga from a spot about 10-15 miles north of Ithaca.)

And yes, I sat there for almost two hours.
:)

150 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:01:20pm

I used to live a couple hundred yards up Toro Canyon from Barton Myers’ house. It was one of those once in a lifetime rental opportunities where I got to rub elbows with people way above my pay grade. I’m only presenting the article below as an example of how smart people, yes with the means, design and build for the worst case scenario their environment might throw at them.

“Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s horrible that so many lost their houses in the Tea Fire,” he told me over dinner near his Westwood office in the spring of 2009, a few months after that blaze destroyed 210 homes and just before the Jesusita Fire took down 80 more. “All of this first occurred to me after the last big fire in San Diego, and everybody said they wanted to rebuild exactly what they had before. And who can blame them; I completely understand.” If he was in charge, though, Myers would never let fire victims go back to square one.

Built in 1998 to reflect the “elegant warehouse” style pioneered by the American designers Charles and Ray Eames, the Myers compound is made up of four pavilions, which can be steel-shuttered swiftly and are laid out over three descending terraces. The recirculating pools atop the structures aren’t just reservoirs for firefighting; they are aesthetically pleasing to both eye and ear, provide insulation, and offer a place to swim laps. (To answer the most frequent question, Myers has no idea how much water evaporates. But it comes from his well, so the loss is financially negligible, and the pools are still better than sod, which can catch fire if not kept soggy wet.) They built it up Toro Canyon Road, an area perhaps scarier than Mission Canyon since only one road goes in and out. If a fire started below, Myers and spouse Victoria would likely be trapped, but they should be safe so long as they continue practicing what Barton preaches.

The second aspect of fire safety is obvious, but is the most abused. “Noncombustible materials: That means nothing that burns,” said Myers, who prefers glass and steel but also praises adobe (except for earthquakes), rammed earth, or — like Steve Martin’s home above Montecito Village — handsome concrete bunkers. But the stucco and tile roofs that now dominate Montecito’s multiplying Tuscan villas aren’t smart at all, said Myers, explaining that tiles were developed in hot climes to let a house breathe. “They’re wonderful for heat, but they’re dreadful for fire, because those embers get up in there and then the structure under there is all wood,” said Myers, who explained that now people grout their tiles to stop embers from coming in. “But then they can’t breathe, which defeats the purpose of having them anyways.”

A third rule of thumb is double-glazing on tempered glass, which keeps a wildfire’s heat outside. “That’s important,” said Myers. “If the heat inside gets up to 175 degrees, then the sprinklers come on and everything is destroyed by water anyways. So that’s a real mystery to me why people think the sprinklers will protect them.”

Perhaps most critically, though, is where to build your home. “Siting has a lot to do with how you survive in these canyons,” he said, explaining that he placed his home in a spot that’s protected from the canyon’s wild winds. “In an ideal world, if we could start all over again, I think you’d want to think about the certain areas that you would not build in because the winds are so tough. There are certain areas where we would recommend you don’t build.”

151 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:01:41pm

re: #65 A Mom Anon

Daughter is on the phone, BBL. Appearently my grandson is feeling well enough to launch himself off the dresser to the bed. The same child who was in a medically induced coma in the ICU a week ago. Medical technology is a wonder, ain’t it? Meanwhile my daughter is about to duct tape him to a chair….

Boys will be boys. (When its a benign matter like this its still OK to say that.)

152 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:02:13pm

re: #149 Feline Fearless Leader

And my post-hiking repast.

The food:
Image: Lunch_-_Smoked_trout_and_a_Pinot_Griz.jpg

The view:
Image: View_from_deck.jpg
(The view is looking east towards Lake Cayuga from a spot about 10-15 miles north of Ithaca.)

And yes, I sat there for almost two hours.
:)

Who is taking care of your kittehs while you are on vacation?

153 AntonSirius  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:04:01pm

re: #98 ProTARDISLiberal

Writing a page about Doctor Who, however, I will say one thing right now:

Rupert Grint for the 12th Doctor! Rude and Ginger!

I forgot what newspaper’s site I ended up at earlier today, but they had a survey on possible new Doctors that included ridiculous names like Dame Helen Mirren. Of course there were also a couple of non-white possibilities, and someone in the comments launched into the usual racist rant about generations of Brits defending the freedoms of future generations only to see blah blah genocide blah blah our country blah blah blah.

I responded with something like, “Look out! Badgers!”

Thanks, LGF!

154 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:06:30pm

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

Who is taking care of your kittehs while you are on vacation?

I got the cat sitter who I used with the previous cats. I had her over for a cup of tea to meet the new Feline Overlords a few weeks after I adopted was hired by them. We have exchanged a few emails while I have been gone and they’re doing well, though the female (older cat) is being aloof towards her. The younger cat is being sociable with her, which doesn’t surprise me.

155 AntonSirius  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:06:44pm

re: #105 ProTARDISLiberal

Rude and Ginger! You will be upgraded!

Why don’t we have a Dalek font… sheesh.

Gingers are inferior! Exterminate!

156 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:08:48pm

re: #87 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

So what really annoys me about that ad is it makes it sound like the technological advance produced the music. Electric guitars were around for quite awhile before rock and roll started; sure, they were a big part of it, but it was creative musicians, not technologists, who invented rock and roll.

I hate this idea that technology creates its own path. It still takes human minds getting creative with it.

The popularity of transistor radios starting in the 1950s was enormously influential. A technical limitation of AM (amplitude modulation) compared to FM (frequency modulation) was important to the course of rock n roll. AM strongly favored soloists, duets, trios, and small groups.

Big bands, orchestras, and choirs —anything with many sound sources —just couldn’t be played very loud over AM, because overmodulation distortion would kick in sooner, and it would sound like crap.

Simply put, less complex music could be played LOUDER over AM radio without sounding like crap. FM handled complex music far better, but its popularity came years later.

157 AntonSirius  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:12:17pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

Been checking out some Queen music on Youtube. “Radio ga ga” is an underrated song I think.

They were a bit hit and miss at that point in their careers but still turning out some fine songs. I Want To Break Free, I Want It All… they had some great anthems left in them before Freddie got really sick and started writing songs about his cats all the time.

158 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:12:56pm

re: #132 Gus

Links to Gates of Vienna.

Hahaha!

Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!

Thanks for noticing—we’re going to fix it up and have things back to normal soon.

159 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:16:08pm

re: #155 AntonSirius

Why don’t we have a Dalek font… sheesh.

Gingers are inferior! Exterminate!

Image: Dalek_Crossword.jpg

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:21:02pm

Oh - and a teaser picture from Watkins Glen.

Image: WG_-_trail_3.jpg

161 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:57:05pm

re: #100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s also got to not get flooded during a tornado underground, which ups the challenge level a bit, but this is goddamn America! We are arguably one of the most powerful nations in the history of earth. Can we really not get our shit together and dig some really fucking good holes in the ground for our citizens who live in areas where the sky reaches down to smack them around?

There’s only one thing that can get America to do such a thing.

Declare war on tornadoes.

162 the silent one  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 12:47:49am

Haha. Keep up the great work Charles. Keep on getting under their skin.

I can imagine how they must be frothing at the mouth in rage everytime you respond to their hate mongering. Even more amusing is Pam Geller’s increasingly incoherent ranting - that woman is going to have an epic meltdown eventually and that is something I’d pay good money to see.

163 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:48:55am

re: #162 the silent one

You mean she hasn’t already had an epic melt down?

164 Jayleia  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:59:40am

re: #163 CriticalDragon1177

Her entire life is a continuous meltdown

165 the silent one  Tue, Jun 4, 2013 12:33:57am

re: #163 CriticalDragon1177

Not just yet. I expect when she does, it’ll be an absolutely spectacular meltdown.

166 wilburs  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:09:43am

Spencer is the last person who should be chastising others about their business practices after the Nashville Tennessean exposed his scam nonprofit which he uses to fleece the rubes

tennessean.com


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