Gorgeous Animation w/ Music by Bjork: Celestial Dynamics

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A journey across the stars and heavens through antiquated astronomical diagrams.

I unearthed some dusty old scientific textbooks in my father’s attic, and immediately became inspired by the delicately rendered diagrams, plots and schemata. These purely scientific visual aids became unwitting artworks on their own, which is something I really loved.

The short animation explores pathways through astronomy’s roots, dating back to antiquity with its origins in scientific, mythological and astrological practices.

The soundtrack is ‘Frosti’ by Bjork, from the incredible album ‘Vespertine’.

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1 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:11:24pm

Nice. I like Bjork.

OT, but here in the Czech Republic, we’re getting flooded - well, parts of the country are. My little corner of the country is OK, and I’m about 8 miles from the nearest river. But Prague, which has the Vltava running through it, is a bit edgy, as they remember the 2002 floods (as do I) which devastated whole sections of the capital.

ceskenoviny.cz

That’ll give you an idea what’s up here.

2 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:14:17pm

re: #1 Dr Lizardo

Nice. I like Bjork.

OT, but here in the Czech Republic, we’re getting flooded - well, parts of the country are. My little corner of the country is OK, and I’m about 8 miles from the nearest river. But Prague, which has the Vltava running through it, is a bit edgy, as they remember the 2002 floods (as do I) which devastated whole sections of the capital.

ceskenoviny.cz

That’ll give you an idea what’s up here.

Put the Global in Global Warming.

3 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:15:34pm

LIES, ALL LIES!

- Bryan Fischer’s reaction upon seeing this vid.

4 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:15:40pm

If a post contains more than one link to a photo (like so:)

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the image-displaying code automatically cycles through the images rather swiftly, usually before I’m done looking at the images.

Note that I’m not bitching about not getting my money’s worth or some similar bullshit; just sayin.

5 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:17:07pm

re: #1 Dr Lizardo

“This is happening in front of my house right now, in Glauchau, Germany”

Image: A7ScGfV.jpg

6 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:17:11pm

re: #2 Vicious Babushka

Put the Global in Global Warming.

Indeed. This event doesn’t seem as bad as the ‘02 flood, which was described by Czech meteorologists as a 500-year event. But it’s still not good. Southern Bohemia has been hit, and parts of Southern Moravia as well.

7 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:17:17pm

re: #4 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

If a post contains more than one link to a photo (like so:)

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the image-displaying code automatically cycles through the images rather swiftly, usually before I’m done looking at the images.

Note that I’m not bitching about not getting my money’s worth or some similar bullshit; just sayin.

Spacebar will stop the slideshow

8 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:17:55pm

re: #6 Dr Lizardo

Indeed. This event doesn’t seem as bad as the ‘02 flood, which was described by Czech meteorologists as a 500-year event. But it’s still not good. Southern Bohemia has been hit, and parts of Southern Moravia as well.

Who is this a statue of?

9 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:19:06pm

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10 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:21:08pm

When I hear “Bjork” all that comes to mind is the Swedish Chef.

11 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:22:23pm

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Who is this a statue of?

I’m not sure.

12 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:22:39pm

So cool!

13 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:23:23pm

re: #1 Dr Lizardo

Bummer. Hope you don’t have to find offsets in the budget to balance emergency relief.

14 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:24:54pm

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Who is this a statue of?

Yul Brynner, obviously.

15 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:25:56pm

re: #13 Decatur Deb

Bummer. Hope you don’t have to find offsets in the budget to balance emergency relief.

No; the Czechs don’t roll like that.

It’s still likely to be a mess though; the town of Znojmo (Znoimo) took a hit and there’s evacuations underway in Ustí nad Lábem and Dečin.

16 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:27:15pm

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Who is this a statue of?

Sri Chinmoy.

inspiringnews.wordpress.com

17 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:30:23pm

Several Metro lines have been shut down in Prague as a precaution as well; in ‘02, a few stations were utterly destroyed. I checked out one where I used to live in Prague, in Prague 7, called Holešovice; it was flooded from the platform all the way to the street level entrance, a depth of about 125 feet total.

18 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:30:35pm

My daughter tried out for the Color Guard at her high school (old school flag core). She made the team and is one of only two new members! Now I’m going to have to go to the football games. Half time, anyway.

19 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:31:14pm

Well, back from the Israel Day Parade in NYC. Had a grand time, and the storms held off. Thousands of folks lined the parade route and thousands more walked up 5th Ave. It was loads of fun, though the NYPD was out in full force to keep everyone safe.

At the same time, there were a few of the usual suspects hating on Israel. Could count on them on two hands - right at the start of the parade route. Neturei Karta and their fellow travelers with their hateful posters, pushing not only anti-Israel, but anti-gay nonsense.

20 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:33:42pm

re: #15 Dr Lizardo

No; the Czechs don’t roll like that.

It’s still likely to be a mess though; the town of Znojmo (Znoimo) took a hit and there’s evacuations underway in Ustí nad Lábem and Dečin.

If I somehow managed to blunder my way into enough money so that I wouldn’t have to worry about holding down a job, Znojmo is at the top of my list of places I’d want to live. And/or Prague.

21 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:34:37pm

Here’s a photo of, I do believe, the town of Ustí nad Lábem.

Image: MBB4b9a48_letec.jpg

Just read the main rail line between Bohemia and Moravia has been severed by the floods. That’s gonna cause a mess.

22 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:36:00pm

re: #20 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

If I somehow managed to blunder my way into enough money so that I wouldn’t have to worry about holding down a job, Znojmo is at the top of my list of places I’d want to live. And/or Prague.

Heh. You’re the first person I’ve ever met for whom Znojmo is even on a list.

Prague is lovely, of course, but a little too touristy for my tastes. That’s why I left.

23 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:38:08pm

re: #19 lawhawk

Well, back from the Israel Day Parade in NYC. Had a grand time, and the storms held off. Thousands of folks lined the parade route and thousands more walked up 5th Ave. It was loads of fun, though the NYPD was out in full force to keep everyone safe.

At the same time, there were a few of the usual suspects hating on Israel. Could count on them on two hands - right at the start of the parade route. Neturei Karta and their fellow travelers with their hateful posters, pushing not only anti-Israel, but anti-gay nonsense.

Not to mention:

24 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:38:49pm

Just read they’re evacuating Prague 8, Karlin. Mandatory evacuation; Karlin was hit bad - really bad - by the ‘02 flood, so it sounds the authorities aren’t taking any chances this time.

25 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:38:53pm

re: #22 Dr Lizardo

Heh. You’re the first person I’ve ever met for whom Znojmo is even on a list.

Prague is lovely, of course, but a little too touristy for my tastes. That’s why I left.

I would love to visit Prague. It’s on my Bucket List.

26 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:39:39pm

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

Not to mention:

Gag.

[Drops mic.]

27 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:43:16pm

re: #25 Vicious Babushka

I would love to visit Prague. It’s on my Bucket List.

It’s a beautiful city, no doubt of that. A pearl of Central Europe.

Another place to check out here is Česky Krumlov, a perfectly preserved baroque city in Southern Bohemia. That’s where I got married, because that’s where my ex-wife was from.

28 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:45:39pm

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

Not to mention:

In a fair world, Pam Geller would have fallen through an open manhole on her way to give her speech.

29 darthstar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:46:14pm

Hey everyone…

So the Half Moon Bay triathlon (Tri The Coast) was a fun little sprint…It’s pretty cold, riding in the fog with wet hair. But as it’s not an officially timed sprint, here are my guestimates based on my watch and gps.

Swim: 10:35 (there was a guy with a stopwatch that called out my time, but I had the same on my watch). Yes, it was only 500 yards, but as Killian pointed out, I did eat a large dinner of baby-back ribs last night in preparation. Swim was done in heats, 13 minutes apart. I was in heat 8 of 9.

Bike: Just under 40 minutes (9 miles)…I managed to pass a number of swimmers from previous heats…but the bike ride is always my strongest leg. There was one mandatory dismount section (narrow gate, rough ground, 45 degree turn…not great on a road bike) and with two laps, that meant four dismounts.

Run: 30-32 minutes(5K): Why do people run? It’s stupid. And there were people who swam after me and didn’t pass me on the ride who were ahead of me on the run. WTF? Did they skip a loop on the ride? I know it’s not officially timed, but sheesh…it’s only nine miles. The third leg of a triathlon should be a beer-chug, in my opinion. Anyway, I can’t complain about my time(or people I passed on the bike leg passing me on the run) too much as Killian pointed out I would have been sub-30 if I wasn’t trying to post pics of the run to facebook in the last kilometer.

Overall, I was sub-90, which was my goal since I didn’t really train for this (aside from my lunchtime swims).

30 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:46:38pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

In a fair world, Pam Geller would have fallen through an open manhole on her way to give her speech.

And then get attacked by Islamic Alligators.

31 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:47:26pm

re: #30 Iwouldprefernotto

And then get attacked by Islamic Alligators.

Islamic alligators raised on halal Butterball jihad turkeys.

32 darthstar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:49:36pm

Oh, for those of you who don’t know, Killian is my wife’s name. Yes, she’s as beautiful as that sounds.

33 Gus  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:50:00pm

re: #30 Iwouldprefernotto

And then get attacked by Islamic Alligators.

Halal crocodiles.

It rhymes.

34 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:50:04pm

re: #31 Dr Lizardo

Islamic alligators raised on halal Butterball jihad turkeys.

No, Islamic crocodiles originally brought in from Kenya.

35 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:52:06pm

re: #29 darthstar

Congrats. And yes, people will cheat on events that have no scoring or prize except personal satisfaction. Like to think they’re all TPGOP, but I’m wrong.

36 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:52:31pm

Famed storm chaser killed by multi-vortex Oklahoma tornado

Famed storm chaser Tim Samaras, along with his son Paul and fellow storm chaser Carl Young, were killed on Friday when a multi-vortex tornado hit El Reno, Oklahoma, family members revealed Sunday.

Samaras, featured by Discovery Channel’s “Storm Chasers,” appeared on MSNBC’s “The Cycle” just hours before losing his life as tornadoes menaced the Oklahoma City area for the second time in recent weeks. “The ingredients are coming together for a pretty volatile day,” he said.

37 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:52:42pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Heh.

And with that, good night Lizards.

38 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:53:27pm

re: #33 Gus

We need a picture of this stat!

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Rupert Grint for 12th!

39 jaunte  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:55:27pm

re: #27 Dr Lizardo

It’s a beautiful city, no doubt of that. A pearl of Central Europe.

Another place to check out here is Česky Krumlov, a perfectly preserved baroque city in Southern Bohemia. That’s where I got married, because that’s where my ex-wife was from.

Beautiful!
en.wikipedia.org

40 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:56:00pm

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

We didn’t march until well after all that, and after all the political types. Really sucks that she participated though.

41 darthstar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:04:21pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Congrats. And yes, people will cheat on events that have no scoring or prize except personal satisfaction. Like to think they’re all TPGOP, but I’m wrong.

That was my thought. Half way through the run I thought, I hope you enjoy your improved health care, fucker!

42 darthstar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:09:02pm
43 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:14:10pm

1932 Portland protest not much different from last week.

Image: a2001-074-92-anti-war-march-japanese-consulate-sw-4th-ave-1932.jpg
Except for the hats, definitely less hats

44 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:14:41pm

re: #40 lawhawk

We didn’t march until well after all that, and after all the political types. Really sucks that she participated though.

It sucks that she costumes her little hate-gang in the Israel flag and pretends, hell probably even self-deluded that all her Scheiße mishugoss is “pro-Israel activism.”

This kind of “pro-Israel activism” we need azoy vee a luch in kup.

45 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:15:38pm

Descendant of Confederate soldier insists forefathers were ‘equally American’

“The soldiers of the South are equally American,” Brooks said, adorned in full southern soldier regalia and standing next to a Confederate flag. “So there’s American soldiers buried on that hill and they happen to be confederates. We are descendants of confederates and there’s nothing wrong with honoring our heritage.”

The comments were delivered without a hint of irony, even though the Civil War was fought by individuals who no longer wanted to be citizens of the United States of America due to its abolitionist policy on slavery. In other words, it’s quite a leap to say that men who gave their lives to destroy America were as “equally American” as soldiers who gave their lives to preserve it.

46 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:15:59pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

1932 Portland protest not much different from last week.

Image: a2001-074-92-anti-war-march-japanese-consulate-sw-4th-ave-1932.jpg
Except for the hats, definitely less hats

Very few women & blacks but if you look hard you can find them.

47 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:17:23pm

re: #45 Kragar

Descendant of Confederate soldier insists forefathers were ‘equally American’

Yeah, they were “equally American” that’s why it’s called the War Between The States. Actually should be called The War Between The Pro-Slavery States And The Federal Government. Also they were “so American” that after the South lost, they skedaddled to Brazil where slavery was still legal.

48 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:18:06pm

Finished watching all seasons of The Shield. Great story with a powerfully enigmatic ending, although it did lose some of its crazy momentum in the later episodes.

49 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:20:01pm

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

Very few women & blacks but if you look hard you can find them.

A few but not many. I was looking through historical portland photo archives this afternoon. I was kind of surprised to see the city used to be much more racially diverse than it is today. Lots of Asians and blacks in the 30’s but if I see a black guy in my neighborhood it’s an event. It’s a surprisingly segregated city.

50 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:26:43pm

re: #45 Kragar

Descendant of Confederate soldier insists forefathers were ‘equally American’

Yeah, I’ve talked to more than my fair share of neo-Confederates, and to a man they like to believe that the Confederacy was the “true America.” Because, you know, America was founded on the ideal that if you didn’t like how half the country was doing things, you could just take your ball and go home.

51 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:27:16pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

The subplot with the gay closeted cop just freaking gets to me every time. It’s so painfully wrought. A really stark, great bit of acting.

52 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:30:48pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’ve talked to more than my fair share of neo-Confederates, and to a man they like to believe that the Confederacy was the “true America.” Because, you know, America was founded on the ideal that if you didn’t like how half the country was doing things, you could just take your ball and go home.

I sometimes suspect that if the Mississippi did not cut through the South and was such an important transportation artery for the Midwest that Lincoln might have considered just letting them go and rot.

53 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:34:52pm

re: #51 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The subplot with the gay closeted cop just freaking gets to me every time. It’s so painfully wrought. A really stark, great bit of acting.

It’s amazing and a little disturbing how the story manages to make you actually feel sympathetic to Vic Mackey, who is just a monster by any definition of the word.

54 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:35:23pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’ve talked to more than my fair share of neo-Confederates, and to a man they like to believe that the Confederacy was the “true America.” Because, you know, America was founded on the ideal that if you didn’t like how half the country was doing things, you could just take your ball and go home.

And owning other human beings.

55 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:36:08pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’ve talked to more than my fair share of neo-Confederates, and to a man they like to believe that the Confederacy was the “true America.” Because, you know, America was founded on the ideal that if you didn’t like how half the country was doing things, you could just take your ball and go home.

They were Americans in the sense they were born on the American continent.

As for being philosophically Americans in that they believed in the United States, not so much.

56 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:36:14pm

The later episodes seem to be trying to convince viewers that Mackey really is a monster, as if the writers realized they might have done too good a job of humanizing him.

57 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:40:34pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

The later episodes seem to be trying to convince viewers that Mackey really is a monster, as if the writers realized they might have done too good a job of humanizing him.

For me, what humanized him was that he wasn’t just ‘on the take’; He was worse than that but when he actually set out to solve a crime, or to rescue a child (and he’s shown doing the latter more than once), he actually cared about his job. Being a cop meant something to him more than an opportunity to steal.

In some ways, Vic Mackey is a tragic figure. Wayne Goggins’ Shane Vendrell is the true villain on the Strike Team.

58 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:40:38pm

DERP. Because paying taxes is just like the genocide of millions.

59 jaunte  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:42:45pm

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

“@gopthinking”

60 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:43:33pm

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

Looks like GOP thinking.

61 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:43:34pm

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

DERP. Because paying taxes is just like the genocide of millions.

LIBERAL PLANT!

Conservatives never compares their opponents to Nazis.
/

62 dragonath  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:43:52pm

Darth Vader drops by the Turkey protests

63 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:45:26pm

re: #61 Kragar

LIBERAL PLANT!

Conservatives never compares their opponents to Nazis.
/

Pay up, Jim!

64 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:48:34pm

re: #62 dragonath

Darth Vader drops by the Turkey protests

I can’t confirm or deny that…

65 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:53:06pm

It took longer than I thought, but I finally have a Doctor Who related page.

66 boredtechindenver  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:56:36pm

WOW, Game of Thrones just blew my mind.

67 jaunte  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 6:59:41pm

re: #66 boredtechindenver

This season is from the Book of Getting Rid of Major Characters.

68 Lidane  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:08:43pm

re: #45 Kragar

Descendant of Confederate soldier insists forefathers were ‘equally American’

Fuck him and fuck all these neo-Confederate douchebags.

You can’t be proud of your Confederate heritage and call yourself an American patriot. That’s an either/or proposition.

69 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:11:44pm

re: #68 Lidane

Fuck him and fuck all these neo-Confederate douchebags.

You can’t be proud of your Confederate heritage and call yourself an American patriot. That’s an either/or proposition.

You can if the voices in your head agree with the voices you hear on the radio.

70 boredtechindenver  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:13:18pm

The penultimate episode each season has the big payoff, and this one delivered. Each week, after I watch an episode, I can’t wait to see how Andy Greenwald recaps it or the reactions of his readers.

71 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:14:52pm

re: #68 Lidane

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Youtube Video

72 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:17:06pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

re: #69 Decatur Deb

[Embedded content]

How the city of Columbus GA solved that “Civil War” problem:

Image: 3lastbattle.jpg

74 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:19:56pm

re: #73 ProTARDISLiberal

I know the gun is without its magazine, but it is still a funny picture at first glance.

Even funnier if you know the magazine is not needed to have one in the chamber.

75 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:22:17pm

re: #74 Decatur Deb

I know. People in the comments were also saying the Upper Reciever was detached or something, but I don’t follow AK-(Insert Number) News, so I don’t know what they are talking about.

76 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:22:35pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

How the city of Columbus GA solved that “Civil War” problem:

Image: 3lastbattle.jpg

That’s an acceptable sign. Accurate and neutral in tone.

77 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:22:46pm

What a douche. No you asshole, working and paying taxes is NOT THE SAME as being owned by another human being. Fucktard.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:26:22pm

re: #75 ProTARDISLiberal

I know. People in the comments were also saying the Upper Reciever was detached or something, but I don’t follow AK-(Insert Number) News, so I don’t know what they are talking about.

The gas tube may not have been attached.

As an FYI, the rifle on the left is an AK-103. It is a stamped receiver 7.62x39 AK, with a very prominent muzzle brake and black polymer furniture. A fairly ordinary late-model AK, but still a good infantry weapon.

79 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:27:58pm

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

What a douche. No you asshole, working and paying taxes is NOT THE SAME as being owned by another human being. Fucktard.

80 dragonath  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:28:45pm

Ronald Reagan’s zombie brain has a twitter account?

81 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:31:51pm

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

What a douche. No you asshole, working and paying taxes is NOT THE SAME as being owned by another human being. Fucktard.

I always love that, “over taxation.” What does this fool this is an appropriate level of taxation. My guess is between nada and zip.

82 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:33:27pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

*know

83 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:34:52pm

re: #82 Kragar

*know

Oops. I plead anger over Gross DERPitude.

84 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:35:09pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

re: #81 Targetpractice

I always love that, “over taxation.” What does this fool this is an appropriate level of taxation. My guess is between nada and zip.

Ask this guy if he thinks Holocaust victims or slaves would rather be making millions and paying tax on part of it.

85 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:36:02pm

See you at the bottom of the thread tomorrow morning.

86 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:38:02pm

re: #75 ProTARDISLiberal

I know. People in the comments were also saying the Upper Reciever was detached or something, but I don’t follow AK-(Insert Number) News, so I don’t know what they are talking about.

Here you go.

The upper cover holds the bolt carrier group / gas piston and bolt in place, which in turn contains the firing pin, the important bit that transfers the energy from the hammer to the cartridge primer. With the bolt removed that rifle is safe to check the barrel for dirt or other obstructions.

87 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:39:18pm

Because paying a portion of your income to pay for the upkeep of the society which provides you with infrastructure and security while guaranteeing your rights as a citizen is just like slavery.

88 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:42:06pm

re: #87 Kragar

Because paying a portion of your income to pay for the upkeep of the society which provides you with infrastructure and security while guaranteeing your rights as a citizen is just like slavery.

Yeah idiots. Fucking idiots with their lack of perspective. Not to mention taxes are at a historical low.

89 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:42:48pm

Backblast From the Past:

Watch enough YouTube videos of the fighting in Syria, and you’ll start to notice it: a long-tubed gun, mounted on the back of either a jeep or large, fast pickup. Usually it’s blasting bunkers, blockhouses, fortified positions, or places where snipers are hiding. It even goes after tanks. And whenever it fires, the gun seems to kick up way more hell behind it than what it sends out the barrel’s front end. It’s the M40 106mm recoilless rifle, an American-made, Vietnam-vintage weapon that got dropped from the Army and Marine inventory back during the early 1970s. Until recently, the 106mm hadn’t seen much action in the irregular wars that have swept the globe. Then M40s somehow came into the hands of rebels in Libya and Syria. Suddenly, the 106mm - light, cheap, easily transportable, simple to operate, and packing a punch all out of proportion to its modest size — has emerged as a possible Great Asymmetric Weapon of the Day.

Although the U.S. military no longer officially uses the M40, they still keep some around. A few found their way to Afghanistan where they were put to use by certain Special Forces units. The Danish and Australian armies, which acquired them from the U.S. decades ago under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program, used them extensively during their ground operations there.

In Libya, the M40 was used primarily in urban warfare, killing tanks and fortified positions. How exactly it found its way into the hands of the rebels there is a bit of a mystery. The M40s showed up in Libya along with thousands of brand new Belgian FN rifles, apparently from Western arsenals. That lead many to suspect they were supplied by Western intelligence. The M40s currently being seen in Syria might be coming either from the same sources that supplied the Libyan rebels or even from the Libyans themselves.

There is also a strong possibility that these weapons might actually be of Iranian origin. Iran’s state-owned weapons arsenal, the Defense Industry Organization, has been manufacturing what was originally a licensed-version of the M40. Now called the “Anti-Tank Gun 106,” it is being offered on the open market, and are probably being supplied to the Syrian Army, which have since lost them to the rebels.

90 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:44:14pm

I have to say. I’m tired of people equating annoyances such as the perception of higher taxes with things like slavery and Nazi like oppression. you don’t have to like paying more taxes but please don’t insult all of our collective intelligence by likening your annoyance to forced servitude and mass murder.

91 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:46:03pm

re: #87 Kragar

Because paying a portion of your income to pay for the upkeep of the society which provides you with infrastructure and security while guaranteeing your rights as a citizen is just like slavery.

I shit you not, I had a wingnut the other day try to seriously argue that government should exist solely to protect ones rights and that taxes be abolished. How did he suggest it be funded? By buying said protection like an insurance policy, paying monthly fees to ensure the government would be there to protect your individual rights.

It was at about that point that I just had to shake my head and thank Odin that stupidity is not contagious.

92 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:48:22pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

I shit you not, I had a wingnut the other day try to seriously argue that government should exist solely to protect ones rights and that taxes be abolished. How did he suggest it be funded? By buying said protection like an insurance policy, paying monthly fees to ensure the government would be there to protect your individual rights.

It was at about that point that I just had to shake my head and thank Odin that stupidity is not contagious.

If you converse with him again, start out by asking why he hates the Founders.

93 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:49:29pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

I shit you not, I had a wingnut the other day try to seriously argue that government should exist solely to protect ones rights and that taxes be abolished. How did he suggest it be funded? By buying said protection like an insurance policy, paying monthly fees to ensure the government would be there to protect your individual rights.

It was at about that point that I just had to shake my head and thank Odin that stupidity is not contagious.

I think someone forgets the whole point of the social contract. But if this nut wants to live in Somalia, I suggest buying a ticket.

94 darthstar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:49:34pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

If you converse with him again, start out by asking why he hates the Founders.

I’d revoke his high school diploma.

95 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:53:19pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

Here’s a CBS video of the 106 being fired from an Ontos in Hue.

Youtube Video

96 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:53:30pm

re: #94 darthstar

I’d revoke his high school diploma.

I think you should start with his grade school one because you learn basic principles of government then.

97 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:54:16pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

If you converse with him again, start out by asking why he hates the Founders.

They like to go with the “pick and choose” idea of history, as in they only like to acknowledge the Founders when their views track as close to Ayn Rand as possible.

98 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:58:09pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

Here’s a CBS video of the 106 being fired from an Ontos in Hue.

I’ve seen that, but thank you. These M40s have mostly been ground or truck mounted.

A modern HEAT* round from an M40 will demolish an original model T-55. Unlike Iraqi T-55s, Syrian T-55s do not have the composite applique ‘eyebrow’ armor on their turrets and hull fronts that gives them survivability against such rounds.

* HEAT = High Explosive, Anti-Tank

99 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 7:59:41pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

They like to go with the “pick and choose” idea of history, as in they only like to acknowledge the Founders when their views track as close to Ayn Rand as possible.

They always say the founders didn’t want a big centralized government which is true but they also wrote the Constituion to create some balance. If the Founders were the decentralized government supporters that the revisionists make them out to be, the Articles of Confederation would have stayed in place. Plus the idiots love to give the whole no taxation without representation bs. They have representation representing them on the state, local, and federal levels. It’s totally different than what the colonials dealt with when they had no voice in the UK’s parliament. These people are just mad that theirs isn’t the only voice being heard.

100 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:09:30pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

They always say the founders didn’t want a big centralized government which is true but they also wrote the Constituion to create some balance. If the Founders were the decentralized government supporters that the revisionists make them out to be, the Articles of Confederation would have stayed in place. Plus the idiots love to give the whole no taxation without representation bs. They have representation representing them on the state, local, and federal levels. It’s totally different than what the colonials dealt with when they had no voice in the UK’s parliament. These people are just mad that theirs isn’t the only voice being heard.

Pretty much. It’s the ultra-partisan nature of politics today, that if the guy they voted for didn’t get elected, then they tell themselves that they’re not being represented.

“What, you mean there’s a guy there who says he represents my district/state? Fuck’em, I didn’t vote for him, he doesn’t speak for me!”

101 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:12:03pm

Sadface.
eve-offline.net
Been DDOSed for 12+ hours.

102 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:12:31pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Pretty much. It’s the ultra-partisan nature of politics today, that if the guy they voted for didn’t get elected, then they tell themselves that they’re not being represented.

“What, you mean there’s a guy there who says he represents my district/state? Fuck’em, I didn’t vote for him, he doesn’t speak for me!”

Right that’s pretty much what they were saying in 09/10 with all the Democrats that were in Congress and the various state legislatures. It’s of course their right to unseat the person if they feel he’s not representing them and their interests but I don’t want to hear no taxation without representation as long as we have state legislatures and Congress in this country.

103 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:13:14pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Plus the idiots love to give the whole no taxation without representation bs. They have representation representing them on the state, local, and federal levels. It’s totally different than what the colonials dealt with when they had no voice in the UK’s parliament.

There’s also the problematic precedent of the first Army under the Constitution having been called up by Washington in order to put down the Whiskey Tax Rebellion.

104 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:13:58pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

There’s also the problematic precedent of the first Army under the Constitution having been called up by Washington in order to put down the Whiskey Tax Rebellion.

Yep, good example. IIRC Washington personally commanded the troops into Pennsylvania.

105 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:14:52pm

He relplied:

Sorry to not send the tweet to you Alouette, but I needed the space to reply properly.

106 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:14:53pm

Irony: The same people who said their political opponents needed to shut up and fall in line behind Bush for the good of the country or else they were traitors have become the worst obstructionists when their political opponents win an election.

107 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:16:24pm

re: #106 Kragar

Irony: The same people who said their political opponents needed to shut up and fall in line behind Bush for the good of the country or else they were traitors have become the worst obstructionists when their political opponents win an election.

That was back when the president was a white man. When Obama took office, many people flipped their lids and in some cases the lids are still flipping.

108 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:16:41pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

He relplied:

Sorry to not send the tweet to you Alouette, but I needed the space to reply properly.

Shit, taxes have been higher, and yet the era that that was the case is often marked as America’s Golden Age.

109 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:17:19pm

re: #106 Kragar

Irony: The same people who said their political opponents needed to shut up and fall in line behind Bush for the good of the country or else they were traitors have become the worst obstructionists when their political opponents win an election.

And that’s what amuses me most about them. The same people who were silent or hell championed the Patriot Act are the same people telling us now that government is too intrusive. The same people who condemned war critics as unpatriotic are the same people who tell us the debt is too big and it’s Obama’s fault.

110 alpuz  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:18:32pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Nah.. them lids been flipped for awhile now. Black prez and all.

111 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:19:11pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

History of Federal Individual Income Bottom and Top Bracket Rates

Calendar Year Top Rate (percent)
1954-63 91%
2003-11 35%

112 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:19:57pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

Shit, taxes have been higher, and yet the era that that was the case is often marked as America’s Golden Age.

There’s actually a cartoon about that spoofing O’Reilly attempting to contrast negatively Obama’s rhetoric and policies with the 1950’s and Obama time traveling and a kid telling him that his policies are too conservative or something like that. The real reason why they fantasize about the 50’s isn’t the economics of the times, it’s the way social issues were at that time where being openly gay was nearly impossible, where families could be denied housing because of race, and where women didn’t work outside the home.

113 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:20:54pm

Taxation will never equal slavery in any shape or form.

114 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:21:38pm

re: #113 Varek Raith

Taxation will never equal slavery in any shape or form.

Well, the GOP certainly wants to make as many people wage slaves as possible.

115 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:22:54pm

What I don’t get about the low taxes above all else nuts is how the hell do they expect to maintain the Defense that they want for our country with low tax rates? Low taxes and continued high military spending is just bad economics especially if military technology grows and grows.

116 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:24:01pm

Please send @gopthinking some replies for this masterpiece of DERPry:

117 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:25:40pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Please send @gopthinking some replies for this masterpiece of DERPry:

Democracy is slavery?

118 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:27:10pm

Congress spending billions on military projects the DoD doesn’t want = patriotism.

Congress spending millions to feed people = slavery.

Got it.

119 jaunte  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:29:06pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

If this privileged person-with-no-perspective lives in a red state, he’s not seeing the whole picture.

Red states are more likely to be rural, and rural states were more likely to receive more federal spending than they paid in taxes in 2010.
motherjones.com

120 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:30:13pm

re: #119 jaunte

If this privileged person-with-no-perspective lives in a red state, he’s not seeing the whole picture.

1 citizen votes to make other citizens go to war? PATRIOTISM!
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121 Lidane  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:33:39pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

I shit you not, I had a wingnut the other day try to seriously argue that government should exist solely to protect ones rights and that taxes be abolished. How did he suggest it be funded? By buying said protection like an insurance policy, paying monthly fees to ensure the government would be there to protect your individual rights.

Sounds like a Ludwig von Mises “anarcho-capitalist” fanboy and Paultard. I knew those douchebags back during the Bush years and got into several long, drawn out debates with all of them.

Not only do those dipshits seriously try to make the ZOMG LINCOLN WUZ JUST LIKE HITLER argument, but they say that the only purpose of government is to protect its citizens from foreign threats. But since every form of taxation is the greatest form of evil in the world, the only people who get protected by the government, or who get access to things like emergency services and the courts are the ones who can afford the outrageous fees that would be charged for those services.

You know, since fees aren’t taxes. Or something.

122 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:39:46pm

re: #121 Lidane

Sounds like a Ludwig von Mises “anarcho-capitalist” fanboy and Paultard. I knew those douchebags back during the Bush years and got into several long, drawn out debates with all of them.

Not only do those dipshits seriously try to make the ZOMG LINCOLN WUZ JUST LIKE HITLER argument, but they say that the only purpose of government is to protect its citizens from foreign threats. But since every form of taxation is the greatest form of evil in the world, the only people who get protected by the government, or who get access to things like emergency services and the courts are the ones who can afford the outrageous fees that would be charged for those services.

Told him we had a time when a man’s rights were measured by his net worth, when the rich took advantage of the poor by virtue of having the money to fight new laws and change old ones. We called it the Gilded Age and it’s making a comeback due to jackasses like him.

123 Kragar  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:47:13pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

Told him we had a time when a man’s rights were measured by his net worth, when the rich took advantage of the poor by virtue of having the money to fight new laws and change old ones. We called it the Gilded Age and it’s making a comeback due to jackasses like him.

Hey, who doesn’t want a brand new round of robber barons running the US government?

124 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:47:24pm

re: #121 Lidane

Sounds like a Ludwig von Mises “anarcho-capitalist” fanboy and Paultard. I knew those douchebags back during the Bush years and got into several long, drawn out debates with all of them.

Not only do those dipshits seriously try to make the ZOMG LINCOLN WUZ JUST LIKE HITLER argument, but they say that the only purpose of government is to protect its citizens from foreign threats. But since every form of taxation is the greatest form of evil in the world, the only people who get protected by the government, or who get access to things like emergency services and the courts are the ones who can afford the outrageous fees that would be charged for those services.


Well, the Lincoln Haters won’t like this.

125 Mattand  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:52:16pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon


Well, the Lincoln Haters won’t like this.

Christ, the fact that we still have to make a case for Lincoln being a good President, after all these years, is really sad.

126 Lidane  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:55:38pm

re: #125 Mattand

Christ, the fact that we still have to make a case for Lincoln being a good President, after all these years, is really sad.

It’s the consequence of all those oh-so-patriotic neo-Confederates that the GOP has been pandering to (hello Southern Strategy!) and whoring themselves out for since the 1960’s.

127 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 8:57:01pm

re: #125 Mattand

Christ, the fact that we still have to make a case for Lincoln being a good President, after all these years, is really sad.

Yeah, it should begin and end with “He preserved the union.” The most funny thing about the right wing Lincoln haters I see though is they claim that he was a racist but then they apologize for the CSA leadership who had no problem forcing captured black Union POWs including those who weren’t even slaves to begin with into slavery. Plus by his times, Lincoln was forward thinking on race. Not the most forward thinking man of the day but Frederick Douglass commented that Lincoln was the only white man that he felt treated like him like a true equal and Douglass knew a lot of abolitionists and supporters of racial equality.

128 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 9:00:11pm

re: #125 Mattand

Christ, the fact that we still have to make a case for Lincoln being a good President, after all these years, is really sad.

At least its getting done. Can’t let the haters win.

129 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 9:04:46pm

The CSA was founded on hypocrisy anyhow. They didn’t respond too kindly when unionist areas within their states tried to secede or stay loyal to the union. The states rights thing is a fallacy too when you see that the fireeaters (the name for the biggest secessionists) had no problem with the federal Fugitive Slave Laws that required people to hand over escaped slaves even if they were in free territory. And then there’s the fact that they loved the Dred Scott decision which meant a slave owner could bring his slave that he had in one state to another even if said state forbade slavery. I don’t know how anyone can seriously with a straight face call Lincoln the aggressor when 9/13 states that made up the CSA did so in the period in between Lincoln’s election and his inaugural. And lest we forget the rebels fired on Fort Sumter which no matter how they try to twist it was US Army territory. The whole purpose of the CSA was to preserve an institution that allowed for the ownership and selling of human beings. Frankly it is a society that cannot be defended for any reason.

130 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 9:26:11pm

Good night, all.

131 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 10:06:20pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

The CSA was founded on hypocrisy anyhow. They didn’t respond too kindly when unionist areas within their states tried to secede or stay loyal to the union. The states rights thing is a fallacy too when you see that the fireeaters (the name for the biggest secessionists) had no problem with the federal Fugitive Slave Laws that required people to hand over escaped slaves even if they were in free territory. And then there’s the fact that they loved the Dred Scott decision which meant a slave owner could bring his slave that he had in one state to another even if said state forbade slavery. I don’t know how anyone can seriously with a straight face call Lincoln the aggressor when 9/13 states that made up the CSA did so in the period in between Lincoln’s election and his inaugural. And lest we forget the rebels fired on Fort Sumter which no matter how they try to twist it was US Army territory. The whole purpose of the CSA was to preserve an institution that allowed for the ownership and selling of human beings. Frankly it is a society that cannot be defended for any reason.

Before they seceded, the slave states were effectively police states, in that fear of abolitionists and escaping slaves meant laws on the books allowing the police to go through people’s mail, and demand arbitrary searches of the houses. There was also a lot of press censorship and caps on personal expression. The thoughtcrime of possessing abolitionist material could even get you the death penalty. To say nothing of the hand-in-hand relationship between the formal authorities of the slave states and the extra-legal actors that used threats, harassment, and violence to kept slaves, free blacks, and suspected abolitionists in line. There was never any freedom to start with…unless you were a slave-owner in good standing.

132 subterraneanhomesickalien  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 10:08:33pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Why don’t these pussies just say what we all know they are thinking. Why use weasel speak, like “other citizens”.

Just be honest and tell us you don’t want the neegras and the browns on the same government pension and medical care programs as you and the other normal white Americans. Even if they happen to also be paying taxes toward the continuation of services for those same programs as you are?

You know the “real” Americans?///

133 sagehen  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 10:33:26pm

re: #125 Mattand

Christ, the fact that we still have to make a case for Lincoln being a good President, after all these years, is really sad.

The guy on the penny, on the five-dollar bill, on Mount Rushmore, and his birthday is a national holiday. The first luxury car was named after him. Every city has a street, a high school and half a dozen elementary schools named for him. There’s whole cities named after him. Now so-called “conservatives” want to relitigate whether we should admire him?

Since the whole point of conservatism is supposedly a respect for tradition and an attachment to the status quo, I guess this is just more proof how radical (and unconservative) the right wing has become.

134 dragonath  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 10:48:44pm

re: #125 Mattand

Christ, the fact that we still have to make a case for Lincoln being a good President, after all these years, is really sad.

Hey, and an article by Mark Steyn about a whole bunch of English nationalists, and muslim hating “libertarians”. Sounds right up his alley.

135 GeneJockey  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 10:50:29pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Y’all are missing the salient point, which is that taxes are lower here than in most of the developed world, and EVEN COUNTING the recent rise in rates at the top, they’re STILL LOWER than they’ve been for most of the last 70 years, so what the f*** is he talking about “overtaxed”?

Maybe he wants to go back to the “America he grew up in”, where the top marginal rate was 91%, and the capital gains was between 25 and 40%, and dividends were taxed.

THAT’S why he’s a know nothing idiot - because he thinks he’s overtaxed when he’s paying less than people at his percentile paid for most of his miserable life.

136 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 10:55:18pm

re: #135 GeneJockey

Part of his problem seems to come from the the feeling that his “minority” (high-income individuals) can be compelled to pay a higher tax rate by a majority of lower-income voters.

Obviously, those who earn more should be given more votes to balance out this sort of discrimination.

/

137 GeneJockey  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 10:57:52pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

I shit you not, I had a wingnut the other day try to seriously argue that government should exist solely to protect ones rights and that taxes be abolished. How did he suggest it be funded? By buying said protection like an insurance policy, paying monthly fees to ensure the government would be there to protect your individual rights.

It was at about that point that I just had to shake my head and thank Odin that stupidity is not contagious.

People like that are free to spin these ludicrous fantasies precisely because there’s not a chance in hell they’d ever be enacted.

I mean, think about it for a minute - all these clowns who say the FDA should be abolished and The Free Market should decide what drugs are good or bad? They say that KNOWING that won’t happen, so they don’t have to deal with the consequences.

138 GeneJockey  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 10:58:58pm

re: #136 Sol Berdinowitz

Yeah - “Everyone is overtaxed! Except THOSE PEOPLE.”
/

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 10:59:59pm

re: #137 GeneJockey

People like that are free to spin these ludicrous fantasies precisely because there’s not a chance in hell they’d ever be enacted.

I mean, think about it for a minute - all these clowns who say the FDA should be abolished and The Free Market should decide what drugs are good or bad? They say that KNOWING that won’t happen, so they don’t have to deal with the consequences.

replace itall with a sales tax

140 AlexRogan  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 11:50:27pm

I know the LNDT has struck again, but I thought I would post a little Fleetwood Mac before I head off to bed:

Youtube Video

141 dragonath  Sun, Jun 2, 2013 11:57:18pm

Image: irss-army.jpg

Ok, I was bored.

142 freetoken  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 12:14:29am

MP3 Audio

143 freetoken  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 12:16:40am

I notice that the mp3 player now doesn’t play within the comment, but pops up a new tab.

144 freetoken  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 1:02:10am

Harold Hill comes to River City:

Group presents evidence for creationism, Biblical flood

MUSCATINE, Iowa – For Helmut Welke, taking the Bible seriously means believing the flood story found in the Bible’s first book, Genesis – and unearthing scientific evidence to support that belief.

Welke, an engineering manager and the president of the Quad-City Creation Science Association, led a two-day Creation Science Weekend Saturday and Sunday at Walnut Park Baptist Church.

[…]

“Who is correct?” Snelling asks near the end of his video. “The God who was there, or the fallible scientists who weren’t there?”

[…]

He said there’s “strong evidence” for dinosaurs and humans to have coexisted and speculated that only 50 or so species of dinosaurs spent the six weeks or so aboard Noah’s ark.

How did they all fit?

“The biggest dinosaur egg is just a little bigger than a football,” he said. “And Noah would have taken the teenagers – not grandma and grandpa.”

One person in attendance, Joyce Cunningham of Muscatine, found the presentation “really interesting.”

“I don’t believe in millions of years,” she said. “You can tell the age of the Earth by the genealogy of people in the Bible. I believe that (an older date for the Earth’s creation) denies the Bible.”

For those not familiar, Muscatine is on the Mississippi river.

145 Kragar  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 1:16:14am

re: #144 freetoken

Harold Hill comes to River City:

Group presents evidence for creationism, Biblical flood

For those not familiar, Muscatine is on the Mississippi river.

The scary thing is those ignorant hicks are allowed to vote.

146 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 1:22:33am

re: #144 freetoken

Harold Hill comes to River City:

Group presents evidence for creationism, Biblical flood

For those not familiar, Muscatine is on the Mississippi river.

“Who is correct?” Snelling asks near the end of his video. “The God who was there, or the fallible scientists who weren’t there?”

And God himself wrote the Bible, and guided the hand of those fallible humans to produce a perfect transcription of His Divine Word and translation into God’s Own King james English.

Ther is no arguing with these people, we can only try to limit the amount of damage they can do.

147 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 1:35:25am

re: #146 Sol Berdinowitz


A case can be made that life on Earth did not evolve and that life is not hundred of millions of years old but the bible should not be used as a source for non believers. I don’t believe they can do any damage.

148 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 1:49:46am

re: #147 EdDantes

A case can be made that life on Earth did not evolve and that life is not hundred of millions of years old but the bible should not be used as a source for non believers. I don’t believe they can do any damage.

They can get this kind of crap taught in public schools. That is damaging and dangerous.

149 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 1:56:23am

re: #148 Sol Berdinowitz

No, worse case is students are able to choose between competing ideas. It is never good when they are force fed one.

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 2:00:28am

re: #149 EdDantes

No, worse case is students are able to choose between competing ideas. It is never good when they are force fed one.

These are not “competing ideas” in any scientific sense. Evolution is founded on research from all brances of science, the others are trumped up and should be restricted to religious instruction.

151 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 2:07:11am

re: #150 Sol Berdinowitz

What if “competing ideas” are presented from non religious circles? one need not be religious to believe that evolution is lacking in scientific evidence.

152 freetoken  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 2:11:58am

I’m watching Bill Bailey’s Jungle Hero (recommended):

Youtube Video

… and while watching I thought about what I’ll call The Curse of the Incurious Mind.

Hmmm… that sounds like a title of a story.

Anyway, Wallace had a curious mind. If only more people likewise had such.

153 freetoken  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 2:14:54am

Some Sibelius for the late night - the first movement of his Suite for Orchestra “King Christian II”:


MP3 Audio

154 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 2:20:02am

re: #151 EdDantes

What if “competing ideas” are presented from non religious circles? one need not be religious to believe that evolution is lacking in scientific evidence.

Ed, where are you coming from? If the idea are founded on something other than some 4,000-year-old-religious text, then they might warrant a discussion, but not if they are equally unfounded and intended to serve antoher ideological/religious purpose.

155 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 2:29:41am

re: #154 Sol Berdinowitz

I am coming from a non religious perspective. I am an agnostic but I have been following evolution for 40 years because the subject interests me. I was taught evolution throughout school like everyone else. I believe that that there is more evidence against Darwinian evolution than there is for it.

156 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 2:41:55am

I believe that Evolutionary science, as a human undertaking, is flawed and needs to be refined by expanding our knowledge.

I can deal with that view and would be open to a scientific approach to expanding our understanding of Evolution.

But the next logical step often proposed by creationists is generally “Evolution is flawed, therefore we need to replace it with this completely perfect Biblical explanation”.

157 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 2:52:51am

re: #156 Sol Berdinowitz

Creationists do not own anti evolutionary thought. They may get the most press because they are the easiest targets and are more easily minimized but there are some of us who approach it from a very different perspective. I do not give a rats ass what the bible says as regards origins. My opinions are informed by pure science and the evidence.

158 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:00:01am

re: #157 EdDantes

Creationists do not own anti evolutionary thought. They may get the most press because they are the easiest targets and are more easily minimized but there are some of us who approach it from a very different perspective. I do not give a rats ass what the bible says as regards origins. My opinions are informed by pure science and the evidence.

I can deal with arguments that come out of science, just not those that arise from an interpretation of Holy Scripture.

159 freetoken  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:01:54am

Upon watching Bill Bailey’s Jungle Hero I find I’m overcome with a sudden urge to go on Amazon and buy a binocular microscope.

Weird.

160 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:11:12am

re: #155 EdDantes

I am coming from a non religious perspective. I am an agnostic but I have been following evolution for 40 years because the subject interests me. I was taught evolution throughout school like everyone else. I believe that that there is more evidence against Darwinian evolution than there is for it.

Name one piece of evidence ‘against’ Darwinian evolution.

161 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:11:59am

re: #158 Sol Berdinowitz

Sol. I am very pleased to hear that. I believe the same way.

162 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:15:20am

re: #160 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The total lack of transitional fossils.

163 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:16:00am

re: #162 EdDantes

The total lack of transitional fossils.

Well, you’ll be glad to know that there are actually tons of transitional fossils, and not a complete lack of them.

Anything else?

164 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:16:30am

why are there still monkeys?

165 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:17:14am

Here are some famous transitional fossils:

en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org

166 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:18:49am

re: #163 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Thank you. You shot me down on that one. I have nothing to respond with.

167 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:25:40am

re: #164 Sol Berdinowitz

Evolutionary theory says that “monkeys” and humans split off from a common ancestor millions of years ago. We evolved from a separate line that left other hominins to evolve differently.

168 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:27:29am

re: #166 EdDantes

Thank you. You shot me down on that one. I have nothing to respond with.

Okay. Any other ‘evidence’ against Darwinian evolution?

And do you know that modern biology isn’t really about “Darwinian evolution”, it’s something called “The modern synthesis”, which was come up with at the start of this century, and combines the mechanism of inheritance— genetic theory— and other biological theories with Darwin?

en.wikipedia.org

One of the weirder things about creationists arguing against Darwin is they somehow think science hasn’t built on what he did.

One of the things to come out of modern synthesis (though somewhat foreseen by Darwin) is that the traits that organisms have also reflect past adaptation to environment they are no longer in. Thus, our collarbones, our knees, all the other parts of our body that really aren’t good adaptations to a bipedal existence, but instead are the best adaptations we could evolve from the brachiating-ape starting point.

So again: You’ve provided one thing you claimed was evidence against evolution. It wasn’t, it was just ignorance of the evidence.

Try again: What other evidence against evolution do you have?

169 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:33:30am

25 shootings in the past 48 hours in New York City. This happened last year when we had our first heat wave too.

The heat should break today. For awhile.

170 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:34:49am

re: #167 EdDantes

Evolutionary theory says that “monkeys” and humans split off from a common ancestor millions of years ago. We evolved from a separate line that left other hominins to evolve differently.

I was just paraphrasing Christine “I am not a Witch” O’Donnell, who represents the following line of anti-Evolutionary argument:

Evolution says men descended from monkeys. Mah uncle told me that and he ain’t never lied to me.

And I ain’t descended from no monkey, so strike two

And there are still monkeys around, so strike three.

And mah uncle says strike three and you’re out and he ain’t never lied to me.

Therefore, the Book of Genesis is literally true! Both versions!

171 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:39:19am

re: #165 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

1. Archeopteryx is still in dispute about its relation to reptiles and birds .

2. Australopithecus appears to some as a primarily tree dwelling semi bipedal being with no direct link to human lineage.

3. Pakicetus was a 4 legged terrestrial creature with no direct link to whales, dolpnins., etc.

4. Tiktaalik was a fish. I also read Neil Shubins book. Since that time there is evidence that there were terrestrial amphibians on the land based on foot prints at the time tiktaalik extant.

172 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:44:46am

re: #149 EdDantes

No, worse case is students are able to choose between competing ideas. It is never good when they are force fed one.

None of the ‘competing ideas’ have any scientific backing or testing methodologies.
Funny, that.

173 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:44:59am

re: #170 Sol Berdinowitz

C’mon. O’Donnel lost for good reason. She is not a source for anything remotely scientific or even rational.

174 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:46:28am

re: #173 EdDantes

C’mon. O’Donnel lost for good reason. She is not a source for anything remotely scientific or even rational.

She lost because she was a witch and nothing she could say or do would convince true fundamentalists otherwise.

/

175 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:46:58am

re: #172 Varek Raith

None of the ‘competing ideas’ have any scientific backing or testing methodologies.
Funny, that.

Correct. Who would test those competing ideas to determine their validity?

176 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:47:38am

re: #174 Sol Berdinowitz

She lost because she was a witch and nothing she could say or do would convince true fundamentalists otherwise.

/

She turned me into a newt.

177 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:51:38am

re: #176 EdDantes

She turned me into a newt.

and she weighs more than a duck!

178 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:56:52am

re: #177 Sol Berdinowitz

She’s a witch. Stands to reason.

179 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 3:58:02am

re: #177 Sol Berdinowitz

I got better.

180 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:15:34am

re: #171 EdDantes

1. Archeopteryx is still in dispute about its relation to reptiles and birds .

2. Australopithecus appears to some as a primarily tree dwelling semi bipedal being with no direct link to human lineage.

3. Pakicetus was a 4 legged terrestrial creature with no direct link to whales, dolpnins., etc.

4. Tiktaalik was a fish. I also read Neil Shubins book. Since that time there is evidence that there were terrestrial amphibians on the land based on foot prints at the time tiktaalik extant.

What are you talking about? Are you now denying that those fossils are transitional fossils?

What do you mean by ‘direct link’?

And do you goddamn understand that, even if there were— which there aren’t— a lack of transitional fossils, that would not be evidence against evolution, it would just be a lack of evidence supporting evolution.

However, we have shitloads, tons, massive amounts of evidence for evolution.

Please explain, without using evolution, why we have collarbones.

181 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:16:24am

re: #175 EdDantes

Correct. Who would test those competing ideas to determine their validity?

The ideas proposed by the anti-evolutionists are all untestable. Do you understand that?

What is it that you propose other than evolution to explain the variety of species and their adaptations to habitat?

182 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:20:27am

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

He relplied:

Sorry to not send the tweet to you Alouette, but I needed the space to reply properly.

That perfectly OK with me, I do not want to chat with this idiot anyway (also I was already asleep by them)

183 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:24:53am

re: #139 Sol Berdinowitz

replace itall with a sales tax

TAX THE POOR!!11 THEY AREN’T PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE!!!1!!TY

184 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:30:43am

So, an update on the flooding situation in the Czech Republic.

Flooding is mostly along the course of the Vltava (Moldau) and Labe (Elbe) Rivers along with two tributaries of the Vltava. Several cities, including Česky Krumlov, Česke Budejovice, Znojmo, Ustí nad Lábem, Mělník and Písek, have been hit. Rail transport between Bohemia and Moravia has been seriously impacted, and several of the highways between major towns have been shut down.

In Prague, the Vltava is running dangerously high. Parts of several districts, mostly in southern Prague, but also two districts in the center, have been placed under mandatory evacuation orders. The Metro has also been affected; Line B has been pretty much shut down.

So far, five have died throughout the country, and it’s likely that several hundred may well be left homeless.

Flooding is also affecting Germany, Slovakia, Switzerland and some parts of Western Poland.

185 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:31:12am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

So, an update on the flooding situation in the Czech Republic.

Flooding is mostly along the course of the Vltava (Moldau) and Labe (Elbe) Rivers along with two tributaries of the Vltava. Several cities, including Česky Krumlov, Česke Budejovice, Znojmo, Ustí nad Lábem, Mělník and Písek, have been hit. Rail transport between Bohemia and Moravia has been seriously impacted, and several of the highways between major towns have been shut down.

In Prague, the Vltava is running dangerously high. Parts of several districts, mostly in southern Prague, but also two districts in the center, have been placed under mandatory evacuation orders. The Metro has also been affected; Line B has been pretty much shut down.

So far, five have died throughout the country, and it’s likely that several hundred may well be left homeless.

Flooding is also affecting Germany, Slovakia, Switzerland and some parts of Western Poland.

Stay dry, doc.

186 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:35:10am

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

Stay dry, doc.

Thanks. This part of the country is ok - the flooding is pretty much confined to the Western Czech Republic and parts of the South as well. Here in the far east of the country, it’s just endless rain - that’s what’s been causing the problems in the rest of the country.

187 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:39:49am

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

Here’s a link to ČT24, livestreaming. It’s all in Czech, but the videos show some stark examples of what’s happening in the Western part of the country.

ceskatelevize.cz

188 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:43:22am

re: #180 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’m saying that those fossils are not transitional. Prove otherwise.
Direct link means an unambiguous link by an uninterrupted chain of fossil evidence as evolution predicts.
I need you to quantify yoru massive tons of evidence. Particularly how much is a “shitload?.” And since when is scientific evidence measured in tons?

189 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:45:50am

re: #188 EdDantes

I’m saying that those fossils are not transitional. Prove otherwise.

Define ‘transitional’, then. If a fish developing adaptions that lets it get onto land and we see those same adaptations continued in organisms that wholly live on land isn’t ‘transitional’, then what is?

Direct link means an unambiguous link by an uninterrupted chain of fossil evidence as evolution predicts.

What do you mean by ‘uninterrupted’ chain?

The way you’re stating things shows, in general, an ignorance of evolution and the fossil record.

I need you to quantify yoru massive tons of evidence. Particularly how much is a “shitload?.” And since when is scientific evidence measured in tons?

Don’t be an idiot.

Please explain what your theory is that’s the alternative to evolution to explain the variety of species and their adaptations to environment.

190 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:46:42am

re: #181 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I do not need to explain that .I have no idea. I only say that evolution does not explain that either.

191 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:47:27am

re: #189 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Define ‘transitional’, then. If a fish developing adaptions that lets it get onto land isn’t ‘transitional’, then what is?

What do you mean by ‘uninterrupted’ chain?

The way you’re stating things shows, in general, an ignorance of evolution and the fossil record.

Don’t be an idiot.

Please explain what your theory is that’s the alternative to evolution to explain the variety of species and their adaptations to environment.

Who needs a fossil. Here are fish walking on land:

Youtube Video

192 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:48:55am

re: #190 EdDantes

I do not need to explain that .I have no idea. I only say that evolution does not explain that either.

Evolution does explain that, Ed. It explains that our ancestors brachiated, so they evolved strong support structures for brachiation, and that’s why we have collar bones, even though our most direct ancestors didn’t brachiate, they evolved from creatures that did.

So, your turn. Evolution can explain collarbones. What does your theory— which you’ve been reticent to explain— say about why we have collarbones?

193 Occam's Guillotine  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:01:22am

If God created reason, why are there still creationists?

194 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:02:31am

re: #193 Occam’s Guillotine

If God created reason, why are there still creationists?

Heh. Evolution can explain why creationism exists.

195 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:02:59am

IT’S COLD THIS MORNING, WHERE IZ TEH GLOBULL WARMING!!11 HURR HURR.

196 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:03:52am

JRRBZ!!11 WHO NEEDS CLEAN WATER.


Vibrancy: li’l earthquakes.

197 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:03:58am

...

198 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:05:21am

re: #197 EdDantes

…

So, your turn. Evolution can explain collarbones. What does your theory— which you’ve been reticent to explain— say about why we have collarbones?

199 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:07:59am

re: #198 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

So, your turn. Evolution can explain collarbones. What does your theory— which you’ve been reticent to explain— say about why we have collarbones?

My 197 comment does not appear. Tell me why we have collar bones.

200 dragonath  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:11:17am

What’s this, an argument that creationism has more support than evolution? So… uh… species are arbitrarily popping in and out of existence at God’s whim?

201 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:12:00am

Well, I have finally made up my mind to replace the KitchenAid mixer that I have had for more than 30 years. I want to get a larger capacity, something that is capable of handling a bread dough from 4lbs. of flour.

The 6-quart KitchenAid is out, I have heard too much bad stuff about the motor overheating and stalling out, also the plastic gearbox.

Still in the running:

Viking Professional 7-quart
KitchenAid 7-quart commercial stand mixer.
Cuisinart 7-quart stand mixer.
Electrolux Magic Mill.

202 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:14:05am

Does anyone see my 197 comment? Obdicut responded to it.

203 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:16:44am

re: #202 EdDantes

Does anyone see my 197 comment? Obdicut responded to it.

I saw just …, which is what I responded to, since you hadn’t answered my question.

Go on, Ed, give it a shot. Explain what the alternate, scientific theory to evolution is, and how it explains why we have collarbones.

And do you accept that evolution does, indeed, explain why we have collarbones, or are you going to ignore that?

204 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:16:50am

re: #200 dragonath

Who is supporting creationism?

205 dragonath  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:18:06am

re: #204 EdDantes

Who is supporting creationism?

Detail your alternative to evolution then.

206 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:20:21am

re: #203 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I have no alternative to evolution. I want to know how the collar bone supports evolution.

207 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:20:39am

re: #205 dragonath

Detail your alternative to evolution then.

I have none.

208 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:22:02am

re: #206 EdDantes

I have no alternative to evolution. I want to know how the collar bone supports evolution.

If you have no alternative to evolution, what are you talking about, then, when you talk about alternative scientific theories to evolution?

And I already explained how the collarbone ‘supports’ evolution. Is there something about the explanation you didn’t grasp?

209 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:22:12am

Yeah, this could totally happen in the USA, just not in the way that Terry McMurray thinks.

210 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:23:51am

re: #209 Vicious Babushka

Also:

Image: tehran%20crowd.jpg

Image: 2008_museum_garden_cafe_Tehran_2789830499.jpg

Both pictures from modern Tehran.

211 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:24:42am

re: #208 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

We have collar bones because or ancestors swung from trees?

212 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:25:42am

re: #211 EdDantes

We have collar bones because or ancestors swung from trees?

Yep. Is there something about that that confuses you?

213 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:26:55am

re: #210 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Also:

Image: tehran%20crowd.jpg

Image: 2008_museum_garden_cafe_Tehran_2789830499.jpg

Both pictures from modern Tehran.

Except instead of the women wearing burqas they will dress like this.

214 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:28:07am

What if the word “adaptation” was substituted for evolution? Would that help creationists understand things better? Probably not.

I was raised by right wing conservatives and encouraged to study science as a kid. None of this was ever a conflict with the Bible. I don’t know when this crap started, but it’s messing up public education, which I suspect is the actual long term goal anyway. It’s the same bunch of usual suspects who also deny climate change. It’s damaging and it really shouldn’t be allowed to interfere with public school curriculum.

215 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:30:02am

re: #212 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yep. Is there something about that that confuses you?

No. not at all. It makes perfect sense.

216 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:30:48am

re: #214 A Mom Anon

What if the word “adaptation” was substituted for evolution? Would that help creationists understand things better? Probably not.

The number of creationists or evolution-deniers who really understand much about evolution is very small.

I was raised by right wing conservatives and encouraged to study science as a kid. None of this was ever a conflict with the Bible. I don’t know when this crap started, but it’s messing up public education, which I suspect is the actual long term goal anyway. It’s the same bunch of usual suspects who also deny climate change. It’s damaging and it really shouldn’t be allowed to interfere with public school curriculum.

It is very odd. It doesn’t take away any from the power and glory of a concept of god to think that he just knew all this evolution would happen and set it in motion, and yet that angers some.

I think really, it’s just a turning away entirely from science and reality. The same people that deny evolution don’t have any good explanation for why god would create so much terrible fucking cruelty in the animal kingdom. If god did in fact design organisms, he’s a really, really sick person.

217 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:32:41am

re: #215 EdDantes

No. not at all. It makes perfect sense.

Then you accept you were wrong when you said evolution couldn’t explain collarbones, right?

And you never got around to explaining what definition of ‘transitional’ you use whereby a dinosaur covered in feathers is not ‘transitional’, nor is a fish clearly developing land-limbs. You might go ahead and do so.

And you’ve asserted this;

A case can be made that life on Earth did not evolve and that life is not hundred of millions of years old

What is that case, please?

218 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:32:54am

Good night, all.

219 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:33:49am

re: #218 EdDantes

Seeya. Thanks for displaying the incoherence and goalpost-moving of the anti-evolutionists.

220 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:40:09am

re: #219 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No. Thank you for having nothing to offer in defense of Darwin.

221 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:40:47am

re: #207 EdDantes

I have none.

If you have none then sit down and shut up about there being an alternative scientific counterpoint to evolution.

222 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:41:15am

Meh. Wireless router went down. Anyone have one of them newfangled 802.11 ac routers?

223 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:45:16am

re: #220 EdDantes

No. Thank you for having nothing to offer in defense of Darwin.

See, this is what I mean about denying reality.

In defense of Darwin, I:

1. Showed transitional fossils.
2. Explained a particular artifact of the human body, the collarbone, in evolutionary terms.
3. Explained to you that the modern synthesis built on Darwinian evolution— this means that Darwinian evolution made successful predictions about the mechanism of inheritance (genes) before any knowledge of that mechanism. Which is awesome.

You:

1. Asked for transitional fossils and then denied they were transitional, without explaining why.
2. Could not explain in any way why my demonstration of evolution through the collarbone was incorrect and insufficient.
3. Obviously don’t even know what the modern synthesis is, since you keep banging on about Darwinian evolution.
4. Hinted at alternate theories but been too caviling to actually put any up.

224 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:56:35am

re: #217 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, I’d kinda like to know what the case is for the earth not being millions of years old and creatures not adapting to various eco-systems and other variables. If that was based in hard science I’d happily study it a little and see what shakes out.

But Ed left so I guess we’ll never know… (*sniffle*)

225 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:57:11am

re: #224 A Mom Anon

Yeah, I’d kinda like to know what the case is for the earth not being millions of years old and creatures not adapting to various eco-systems and other variables. If that was based in hard science I’d happily study it a little and see what shakes out.

But Ed left so I guess we’ll never know… (*sniffle*)

ALIENS!!11!!

226 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:57:46am

re: #224 A Mom Anon

The alternate competing theories that are scientifically sound are:

1. The universe is a holographic projection, and therefore all information gained from observation is specious.

That’s about it, really.

227 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:58:28am

re: #224 A Mom Anon

Do you have an opinion about what is the best stand mixer for bread?

228 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:59:37am

re: #227 Vicious Babushka

Do you have an opinion about what is the best stand mixer for bread?

I would like to bash Kitchen-Aid again here and mention the broken little plastic part in the tower of my mixer that I need to get a special tool to fix goddamnit.

229 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:01:56am

re: #228 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I would like to bash Kitchen-Aid again here and mention the broken little plastic part in the tower of my mixer that I need to get a special tool to fix goddamnit.

I have a 5-qt. KitchenAid which I have used for 30 years, my only complaint is that it does not have the capacity for large bread doughs.

The 6-quart KitchenAid, according to reviews I have read, is a total disaster since they outsourced production and made a plastic gear housing. It overheats and shuts down.

However I am looking at the 7-quart Commercial KitchenAid which does not have these problems.

230 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:03:38am

re: #229 Vicious Babushka

Yeah. If it had all-metal construction it’d be great, or just stronger plastic. What snapped was a connecting bit for the bowl-raising mechanism, not even part of the gears and stuff. A really simple problem. Just goddamn levers.

231 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:04:54am

re: #227 Vicious Babushka

You know, I’m not sure. I have the standard Kitchen Aid Artisan mixer(I think the husband got it at Sears maybe 10 yrs ago) and some attachments and so far it’s chugging along fine. I’ve heard good things about the Viking brand. Hobart is one of the restaurant standards but I don’t know if they make something practical for the home cook. I always said if we ever moved into a house with a larger kitchen that I would spend the money on a commercial mixer and a giant freezer so I could bake huge quantities at once. To which the husband replied”why not just open a bakery then?”. LOL.

232 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:09:11am

re: #231 A Mom Anon

You know, I’m not sure. I have the standard Kitchen Aid Artisan mixer(I think the husband got it at Sears maybe 10 yrs ago) and some attachments and so far it’s chugging along fine. I’ve heard good things about the Viking brand. Hobart is one of the restaurant standards but I don’t know if they make something practical for the home cook. I always said if we ever moved into a house with a larger kitchen that I would spend the money on a commercial mixer and a giant freezer so I could bake huge quantities at once. To which the husband replied”why not just open a bakery then?”. LOL.

I have been doing some Internet research and so far I have found:

1. Electrolux/MagicMill/Verona/Ankarsam has the highest rating on all the baking sites I have visited. It’s a Swedish brand. My daughter has one and it’s awesome, but not on Amazon Prime. It costs the same as :

2. KitchenAid Commercial 7-quart. This has the highest ratings on Amazon and does not have the problems that have been reported with the KitchenAid 6-quart. It is on Amazon Prime.

3. Viking is the 3rd rated, not on Amazon Prime.

4. Cuisinart 7-quart is 4th rated, dough hook problems have been reported.

233 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:09:59am

re: #232 Vicious Babushka

Most of the serious bakers I now in California, on a small commercial scale, use the Electrolux.

234 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:11:40am

re: #233 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Most of the serious bakers I now in California, on a small commercial scale, use the Electrolux.

The only downside to buying an Electrolux is that is not on Amazon Prime.

235 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:13:28am

re: #232 Vicious Babushka

I think as long as there’s no plastic in the internal workings and there’s a good warranty on the motor/moving parts (and the company has a good customer service reputation) that’s probably where I’d start my narrowing down process.

236 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:25:32am

re: #73 ProTARDISLiberal

I know the gun is without its magazine, but it is still a funny picture at first glance.

It’s completely stripped for cleaning. Looking through the barrel at a light source - a light bulb forex - is a part of that process…

237 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:32:48am

Not to be Andy Rooney, but I fucking hate shows that have ‘what’s coming up’ before commercial breaks. Does anyone actually like that, does it actually work to keep people watching, or is it just more bullshit someone dreampt up but never actually tested? Probably.

What’s amazed me most in life is how much shit there is out there people do not because they know it works but because it’s always been done that way. I would have thought there’d be more rigor.

238 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:36:08am

re: #237 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Not to be Andy Rooney, but I fucking hate shows that have ‘what’s coming up’ before commercial breaks. Does anyone actually like that, does it actually work to keep people watching, or is it just more bullshit someone dreampt up but never actually tested? Probably.

What’s amazed me most in life is how much shit there is out there people do not because they know it works but because it’s always been done that way. I would have thought there’d be more rigor.

Worst commercials on TV: PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. I’m also seeing a bunch of prescription drug ads in magazines that cater to an older demographic. WTF. And while the commercial is playing, there is the disclaimer played at double speed: SideeffectscanincludeyadayadayadaSUDDENDEATHyadayadayadaBRAINDAMAGEyadayadayada.

239 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:45:59am

re: #238 Vicious Babushka

When I did crossover work with marketing people, whenever I dug down, they never actually had studies showing that whatever method they were asserting worked. Nobody even knows if Absolut’s campaign, one of the most famous of all time, actually worked. Grey Goose has had a similar success in the market without any sort of ad campaign.

Nobody knows if any of this bullshit they shovel at us actually works.

240 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:46:28am

RIP: New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg has passed away.

241 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:47:20am

Yeah they know their demographics. All day long it’s ambulance chasers and shady colleges. Then during the national news it all drug ads for aging people.

242 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:52:39am

re: #240 lawhawk

RIP: New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg has passed away.

RIP.

243 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:59:08am

STAY CLASSY, WINGNUTS

244 Mattand  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:59:21am

re: #240 lawhawk

RIP: New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg has passed away.

Crap.

245 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:01:05am

Lautenberg was drafted back into the Senate when the NJ Supreme Court ruled that NJ Democrats could put him on the ballot when Bob Toricelli was thrown off the ballot.

He’d long been an advocate for gun control, and had been one of the better advocates on that issue. He’d also been a strong proponent for transit, but his ability to bring home funding for key projects have lagged, or been thwarted when Gov. Christie killed the ARC tunnel project and diverted the money to the transportation trust fund to fix roads without new taxes, or fixing the fund’s shortfall.

More recently, Cory Booker sought to run for his Senate seat without getting Lautenberg’s approvals at the outset. That kerfuffle was quickly hashed out, and Lautenberg announced that he wouldn’t run for reelection.

246 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:03:30am

re: #245 lawhawk

If Christie appoints a Democrat he might as well leave the Republican party, and if he appoints a Republican he might as well say goodbye to his integrity.

247 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:06:00am

re: #207 EdDantes

I have none.

Science - U R Doin It Wrong.

248 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:07:24am

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

Also, too: prolife
/

249 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:08:13am

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

STAY CLASSY, WINGNUTS

I think Lautenberg was the only WWII vet left in the Senate. Fucking idiots and their obsession with “treason.”

250 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:08:57am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Treason: disagreeing with any current far-right opinion or being a Democrat.

//

251 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:09:56am

re: #250 Bulworth

Treason: disagreeing with any current far-right opinion or being a Democrat.

//

Pretty much. I mean for fuck sake. And that hideously bad pun- LOUSE-emberg

252 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:12:28am

Reading Lautenberg’s bio now though. A self made guy and a staunch liberal. No wonder why that person hates him.

253 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:14:41am

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Pretty much. I mean for fuck sake. And that hideously bad pun- LOUSE-emberg

Hey, we’re the victims here!!!!

254 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:15:34am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

The bulk of the animus comes from him being a staunch gun control advocate.

255 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:15:41am
256 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:16:21am

I don’t know but there must be something anti-American, anti-Christian, pro-Sharia law about this.

news.yahoo.com

/

257 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:16:24am

re: #226 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The alternate competing theories that are scientifically sound are:

1. The universe is a holographic projection, and therefore all information gained from observation is specious.

That’s about it, really.

There’s also

2. The Universe was created recently, say 6:23 this morning PDT, but as a 15 Billion year old universe with everything already in progress.

I call this the “God as Colossal Jokester” hypothesis. It, like Creationism, or ID, EdDantes’ “I have none”, is not testable.

258 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:17:03am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Reading Lautenberg’s bio now though. A self made guy and a staunch liberal. No wonder why that person hates him.

Last WWII veteran in the Senate as well. RIP.

259 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:18:38am

re: #258 William Barnett-Lewis

Last WWII veteran in the Senate as well. RIP.

Yeah I thought so.

260 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:20:27am

re: #254 lawhawk

The bulk of the animus comes from him being a staunch gun control advocate.

Yeah well they’re fucking douchers.

261 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:22:19am

MOAR CLASSY WINGNUTS:

262 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:23:17am

Iss sez IRS targeting of teabag party groups was directed from Washington, probably from the WH.

So if, you know, Issa says something, it must be true.////

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

263 Lidane  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:23:44am

re: #147 EdDantes

A case can be made that life on Earth did not evolve and that life is not hundred of millions of years old

I stopped reading right here. If you legitimately believe that, then please, by all means, give up on everything from modern medicine to the internet and everything in between that has come around due to actual science instead of mysticism and fantasy.

264 Lidane  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:24:49am

re: #151 EdDantes

one need not be religious to believe that evolution is lacking in scientific evidence.

Image: dawkins.jpg

265 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:25:14am
“My gut tells me that too many people knew this wrongdoing was going on before the election, and at least by some sort of convenient, benign neglect, allowed it to go on through the election,” [Issa] said. “I’m not making any allegations as to motive, that they set out to do it, but certainly people knew it was happening.”

“My gut tells me….”

Hey, you can’t explain that!!1!

/

266 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:26:18am

re: #265 Bulworth

“My gut tells me….”

Hey, you can’t explain that!!1!

/

Your gut Issa? How about actual you know evidence before you waste the taxpayers’ dollars again on a fishing expedition.

268 iossarian  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:32:34am

re: #239 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

That’s the golden rule of advertising. Half the money is wasted, but no-one knows which half.

269 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:32:55am

re: #267 lawhawk

And yet another time that Thomas breaks with Scalia in favor of increased police powers.

270 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:33:34am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

The latest is that there’s scuttlebutt that someone higher up and in DC ordered the IRS to target Tea Party entities for scrutiny.

Umm… all entities are supposed to get scrutiny in applying for, and maintaining their 501c status.

That, of course, is lost on a whole lot of people who find the IRS reprehensible and the ugly face of the government. But then the IRS goes and spends money on conferences and travel that appear to be out of line - so it appears that the agency is out of control.

271 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:34:00am

re: #269 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, odd division in who ruled:

The vote is 5-4, an unusual lineup: Scalia dissents, joined by Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan.

272 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:35:40am

re: #271 lawhawk

Yeah, odd division in who ruled:

The vote is 5-4, an unusual lineup: Scalia dissents, joined by Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan.

Scalia’s a playa joining the ladies of the court heh. Just joking around but yes that is unusual and that’s a good example of why while I do not like Scalia, I dislike Thomas even more. Occasionally Scalia shows some principles.

273 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:37:30am

re: #269 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, they found that the DNA evidence upon arrest is no different than intake for photos and fingerprints.

I’m actually in agreement with that proposition; and considering that DNA evidence is as reliable as those other identification measures upon arrest, that’s a fair reading/ruling.

274 Joanne  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:37:36am

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

Let me guess…you were blocked. FACTs do not computer to the wingnut.

275 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:38:11am
(CNN) - In an exclusive interview Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” with Candy Crowley, Republican Rep. Darrell Issa said interviews with workers in the Cincinnati IRS office show targeting of conservative groups was “a problem that was coordinated in all likelihood right out of Washington headquarters - and we’re getting to proving it.”

“in all likelihood”

Confirmed. FACT.

//

276 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:39:02am

Thanks again 2010 voters for giving us this awesome GO majority in Congress. Gah.

277 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:39:14am

re: #273 lawhawk

The main problem is that DNA has a ton of other uses, whereas fingerprints and photographs don’t. and the amount of information you can know about someone will only increase as we get more knowledge.

That makes it really fundamentally different. Someone can find out from that same cheek swab if I match paternity, for example, or if I have a genetic disease.

278 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:42:16am

re: #147 EdDantes

A case can be made that life on Earth did not evolve and that life is not hundred of millions of years old but the bible should not be used as a source for non believers. I don’t believe they can do any damage.

So make that case. Explain all of the evidence as it exists without resorting to Evolution as an explanation, including the fossil evidence and the molecular evidence, using what is currently known in Biology, Geology, Astrophysics, etc. Propose an alternative hypothesis that takes into account all the evidence, and if it turns out to be true, you’ll win a Nobel Prize.

279 Joanne  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:43:37am

re: #273 lawhawk

Yeah, they found that the DNA evidence upon arrest is no different than intake for photos and fingerprints.

I’m actually in agreement with that proposition; and considering that DNA evidence is as reliable as those other identification measures upon arrest, that’s a fair reading/ruling.

Here’s my issue with this. Because you are arrested does not mean that you are guilty. (See driving a BMW while Black in Georgia over the weekend.) Now, your DNA is not just public record, but accessible.

And let’s further look at my beloved Chicago and Detective John Burge who tortured confessions out of innocent people. Tell me that this Detective (who actually rose to Commander rank and is not serving prison time) would not have been above taking that DNA and making cases with it.

280 Joanne  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:44:25am

re: #277 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The main problem is that DNA has a ton of other uses, whereas fingerprints and photographs don’t. and the amount of information you can know about someone will only increase as we get more knowledge.

That makes it really fundamentally different. Someone can find out from that same cheek swab if I match paternity, for example, or if I have a genetic disease.

It always makes me think of GATTACA (the flick with Ethan Hawke and Jude Law).

281 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:45:08am

re: #279 Joanne

Here’s my issue with this. Because you are arrested does not mean that you are guilty. (See driving a BMW while Black in Georgia over the weekend.) Now, your DNA is not just public record, but accessible.

And let’s further look at my beloved Chicago and Detective John Burge who tortured confessions out of innocent people. Tell me that this Detective (who actually rose to Commander rank and is not serving prison time) would not have been above taking that DNA and making cases with it.

This is what I was thinking too: arrest doesn’t always mean guilt.Great point about the CPD too.

282 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:45:48am

re: #155 EdDantes

I am coming from a non religious perspective. I am an agnostic but I have been following evolution for 40 years because the subject interests me. I was taught evolution throughout school like everyone else. I believe that that there is more evidence against Darwinian evolution than there is for it.

If that’s the case, I’d sure like to see your evidence. Did you discover a six legged, scaled, warm blooded, oviparous animal with a four chambered heart?

Seriously, dude. It’s not that there are complete fossil lines for various strands of evolution. It’s that nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.

If you have evidence demonstrating that evolution cannot explain some biological phenomena, not pointing out that evidence might be missing, but evidence demonstrating then take your place among the great scientists. But you don’t. Until you do, if you deny evolution you are denying science itself.

283 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:47:35am

Pam Geller is having a meltdown over this op-ed by “Jewicidal KAPO Ultra-Leftist Reform” Rabbi Eric Yoffie in Jerusalem Post.

Rabbi Yoffie says pretty much the same thing that Vicious Babushka said.

Pammy’s meltdown:

284 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:48:20am

re: #277 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The main problem is that DNA has a ton of other uses, whereas fingerprints and photographs don’t. and the amount of information you can know about someone will only increase as we get more knowledge.

That makes it really fundamentally different. Someone can find out from that same cheek swab if I match paternity, for example, or if I have a genetic disease.

It depends on what they do with it. Suppose they take the sample, run an STR profile on it, and destroy the sample. Then you’d have the equivalent of a fingerprint.

OTOH, if they preserve the sample, they would be able at a future date to go back and run further tests on it.

285 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:48:24am

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

STAY CLASSY, WINGNUTS

Freepers are openly celebrating Lautenberg’s passing, and several are hoping other politicians who aren’t full-bore wingnuts die in office.

freerepublic.com

A sampling from the first page of a thread having already over 150 replies:

Sen. Frank Lautenberg died this morning of viral pneumonia at age 89, his office said

And not a moment too soon. That worthless SOB was one of the key players in the ongoing destruction of our fundamental rights.
14 posted on Monday, June 03, 2013 8:53:14 AM by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)

Good riddance to a pro-baby murdering, commie, gun grabber. No telling how many babies and women were killed because of his progressivism.
17 posted on Monday, June 03, 2013 8:53:54 AM by DCBryan1

About freaking time. Buh bye, gungrabber.
25 posted on Monday, June 03, 2013 8:56:58 AM by elcid1970 (“The
Second Amendment is more important than Islam.”)

Last WWII vet left in the Senate, after Inoye’s death last year.
For that… and that ONLY.. he gets a modicum of respect from me.
Now… if they could only run in threes… Harry Reid, John McCain…
33 posted on Monday, June 03, 2013 8:58:48 AM by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)

286 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:50:03am

re: #284 GeneJockey

Yeah, but after the scandals of police lab shit in San Francisco, Boston, Philly, and elsewhere I don’t really trust that they’re going to be responsible with the evidence.

I would support this more if it came with the corollary that prosecutors never fought against the introduction of DNA evidence, but they do.

287 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:50:53am
288 Mattand  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:04:48am

re: #147 EdDantes

A case can be made that life on Earth did not evolve and that life is not hundred of millions of years old but the bible should not be used as a source for non believers. I don’t believe they can do any damage.

No. No, it can’t, and yes, they can.

Seriously, Ed, this is why America is becoming the educational and scientific ghetto of the West. There is no real evidence that life didn’t evolve.

How many fucking federal cases do we need to have before this sinks into people’s heads?

289 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:06:48am
290 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:08:41am

re: #162 EdDantes

The total lack of transitional fossils.

Oh really. This chart demonstrates the transitional fossils leading from the Jaws of reptiles to the inner ear of mammals.

And here is the evolutionary line from early equids to the modern horse. Note how the diastema, the distance between the molars and incisors increases over time. Also note the changes in the toes to become hooves. Not visible in that picture is how the muscle on the bag of the leg changed design so that it stored energy when the animal stepped on the ground, rather like the way that bows store energy. When the hoof is lifted the energy is real eased giving the animal the speed it is famous for.

I could go on but my Google fu sucks and It’s too early in the morning for this.

Nice try on your part, though. /

291 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:09:23am

Meet the dumbest wingnut on the planet, Imaumbn.

292 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:10:27am

re: #289 NJDhockeyfan

Eek! Yeah, this outta be good. But three years? Yeesh.

293 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:11:35am

re: #291 Gus

Meet the dumbest wingnut on the planet, Imaumbn.

@pudingtane and @dennygirltwo are dumber.

294 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:12:10am

re: #285 RadicalModerate

33 posted on Monday, June 03, 2013 8:58:48 AM by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)

I hope this isn’t some Confederate-flag-flying wingnut trying to lecture us all on the meaning of ‘patriotism’.

295 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:12:42am

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

@pudingtane and @dennygirltwo are dumber.

I know. Was thinking about all that competition when I was typing that. This guy is one serious troll though. Whew. He’s still trolling. It’s like he didn’t even get any sleep.

296 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:14:25am

They have 1000s of followers. LOL I so much as sneeze and I LOSE followers. What. Ever.

297 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:14:29am
Now… if they could only run in threes… Harry Reid, John McCain…

Ladies and gentlemen, today’s TPGOP.

They even want their prez candidate of five years ago to depart this earth

298 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:15:10am
Now… if they could only run in threes… Harry Reid, John McCain…

Patriotism…

//

299 iossarian  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:18:54am

re: #297 Bulworth

They even want their prez candidate of five years ago to depart this earth

Ever-accelerating towards the wingnutularity.

300 sagehen  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:26:25am

re: #240 lawhawk

RIP: New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg has passed away.

this is the guy who Cory Booker was reluctant to run against in the primary? Which is tomorrow?

301 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:26:32am
302 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:26:41am

Funny.

303 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:27:43am
304 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:27:54am

1 Million Paranoid Moms

305 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:28:36am

re: #304 Gus

More like a couple of moms with a phone list and a fax machine.

306 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:30:38am

re: #261 Vicious Babushka

MOAR CLASSY WINGNUTS:

Fuck that asshole. I wasn’t celebrating when Thatcher died. In fact I was kind of defending her against that. And I’m A FUCKING LIBERAL. Fuck him and his kind. :D

307 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:31:02am

Pardon mah French. Frank Lautenberg was a good man.

308 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:31:26am

re: #301 Gus

Thousands of Christian counselors and pastors are available all across the country to help anyone who is struggling with any kind of sin including homosexuality, gender identity disorder, gender confusion or gender dysphoria

Yes, it’s helpful for kids to believe they are committing a ‘sin’ if they don’t want to play with trucks or guns. As$holes.

309 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:31:44am

re: #305 A Mom Anon

More like a couple of moms with a phone list and a fax machine.

People still own fax machines? //

310 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:33:46am

re: #305 A Mom Anon

Actually probably just Bryan Fischer dressed up to look…oh never mind.

/

311 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:35:54am
312 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:36:28am

re: #309 Gus

People still own fax machines? //

It’s next to the mimeograph.

313 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:37:02am

re: #312 wrenchwench

It’s next to the mimeograph.

What’s that smell? Oh crap, quiz day. //

314 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:38:11am

Uh, Bryan, these are legal issues even if they are “icky”

315 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:39:11am

re: #314 Vicious Babushka

What’s Bryan have against enhanded interrogation…um, torture?

/

316 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:39:18am

Fucking Medco won’t ship my refills until I am down to the last pill, then it takes 4 days until the meds are delivered.

317 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:39:26am

You can help! It’s one of those easy form “letters” to your Rep.

Help S.T.O.P. Sexual Assault in the Military Txt from Thomas

How is it by you?

318 Joanne  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:39:51am

re: #304 Gus

1 Million Paranoid Moms

22 sexually repressed moms who think they are 1 million strong.

319 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:40:07am

Frank Lautenberg was the man. Last WWII veteran in the Senate. A good reliable liberal. One that I used to write many a letter back in the day. Dies 3 days before the 69th anniversary of D-Day.

320 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:40:21am

re: #309 Gus

People still own fax machines? //

They are part of the All-in-One Printers Now. Only you need a phone line. Hubby has one in his office. I hate using it and have to for a form for the Vet. It would be easier to hand deliver it, IMHO.

321 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:41:06am

re: #311 Gus

It’s sad they needed a report. They could have just watched Jon Stewart, or Rachel Maddow. I assume they aren’t tech savy enough to access The Young Turks or other young person type websites.

322 freetoken  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:42:12am

re: #311 Gus

Is this the report now discussed?

images.skem1.com

323 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:42:16am

re: #316 Vicious Babushka

Fucking Medco won’t ship my refills until I am down to the last pill, then it takes 4 days until the meds are delivered.

yup

324 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:42:17am

re: #321 FemNaziBitch

It’s sad they needed a report. They could have just asked us.

Yep. Dear GOP. You suck donkey balls and you smell of band aids and foot powder. :D

325 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:43:29am

re: #314 Vicious Babushka


Rather unfortunate choice of wording for The Telegraph, considering Fischer’s “concernz”…
“The uninitiated might consider a Cambridge University law exam to be a rather dry, impenetrable affair…”

:D

326 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:43:47am

re: #288 Mattand

No. No, it can’t, and yes, they can.

Seriously, Ed, this is why America is becoming the educational and scientific ghetto of the West. There is no real evidence that life didn’t evolve.

How many fucking federal cases do we need to have before this sinks into people’s heads?

Why is Dover in so many court cases? I seem to hear it a lot.

327 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:44:02am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

You can’t make this stuff up

328 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:44:09am

re: #320 FemNaziBitch

They are part of the All-in-One Printers Now. Only you need a phone line. Hubby has one in his office. I hate using it and have to for a form for the Vet. It would be easier to hand deliver it, IMHO.

My All-in-One is now just a fax sending machine. Can’t receive, because it won’t print any more. No more All-in-Ones for me, but I’ll keep this just to send a fax once every four months or so.

329 freetoken  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:45:47am
The focus group participant who made the previous statement was wrong in one aspect; many people would admit to watching The Daily Show as a main source of news over the course of our research on young voters. Conducted in San Diego, CA, in January 2013, this focus group was the first of six sponsored by the College Republican National Committee of young voters who were considered “winnable” for Republicans either due to their partisanship, ideology, or beliefs about the role of government, yet still cast their ballot to reelect the president. In this particular case, the group was focused on understanding the views of young Latino voters. The respondent above was the first to answer the question of where she gets most of her political news. She would not be the last to mention Comedy Central programming as a main source of information.

Well, this ain’t Kentucky here. Whatever does play with young self-identified “Republicans” here certainly won’t go far back in the Bible belt.

330 calochortus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:48:14am

re: #162 EdDantes

The total lack of transitional fossils.

I’m a little late to this party and apologize if someone has already posted this, but may I introduce you to tiktaalik? There was a fossil gap. The attributes of an animal that would fill it were predicted and then tiktaalik was found-and it fit the prediction quite closely.
Of course that left a new gap on either side of it-so you could say there are more gaps without transitional fossils now, but I hope you’re smarter than that.

331 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:48:42am

Walking Weiner Gets Booed At Israel Day Parade

Besides Jews on hogs, politicians were at yesterday’s Israel Day Parade. And the 2013 mayoral race’s only Jewish candidate appeared—to a very mixed reception.

Idiot social media addict Anthony Weiner marched along Fifth Avenue to some cheers and a bunch of boos and heckling. The NY Times reports that one man repeatedly yelled, “Tweet me a picture, Weiner!” which Weiner ignored.

…

332 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:49:58am

re: #330 calochortus

I already introduced him to it. It didn’t help.

333 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:50:30am

re: #328 wrenchwench

My All-in-One is now just a fax sending machine. Can’t receive, because it won’t print any more. No more All-in-Ones for me, but I’ll keep this just to send a fax once every four months or so.

I gotta have a copy feature in my world.

334 freetoken  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:50:42am

Oh look, there was a video yesterday:

Youtube Video

92 views so far.

Yes, 92.

No wonder the “brand” is dead.

335 calochortus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:51:15am

re: #332 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I suspected someone had, but didn’t go all the way back to the original post to check. I guess facts aren’t what they once were.

336 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:51:58am

BABA!!!

337 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:52:54am

I remember Frank Lautenberg from back in the day when the GOP had normal people in office. Which is not to say that Christie is a complete douche nozzle. But you had your Thomas Keans, Christine Todd Whitmans, Millicent Fenwicks. This was before the GOP was taken over by bug eyed, square headed, neo-Confederate morons.

338 freetoken  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:53:13am

That’s called the “Michelle Bachmann School of Script Reading”.

339 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:54:48am

See this middle finger GOP? It’s for you!

340 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:55:23am

re: #334 freetoken

Oh look, there was a video yesterday:

[Embedded content]

92 views so far.

Yes, 92.

No wonder the “brand” is dead.

With Rinse Penis at the helm?

341 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:55:55am

re: #330 calochortus

I hope you’re smarter than that.

Big gap in the evidence there.

342 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:55:58am

Al-Qaeda sets up complaints department

…”Any one who might have a complaint against any element of the Islamic state, whether the Emir or an ordinary soldier, can come and submit their complaint in any headquarters building of the Islamic state,” the notice said.

“The complaint should be in writing, provide details and give evidence.
“We promise that we will ensure accountability for anyone committing violations, and they will be sent to the Sharia court of Iraq and al-Sham.”

I’m curious to see if anyone will be brave enough to show up with a complaint.

343 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:56:26am

re: #336 FemNaziBitch

BABA!!!

I have an affiliate account with ModernTribe but I never put any of their products up at the Zionist Mall.

344 freetoken  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:56:33am

re: #342 NJDhockeyfan

Sounds like they’ve been coached to do some “rebranding”.

345 Lidane  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:58:51am
346 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:00:29am

re: #345 Lidane

I have my own criticism of that Citibank, oops, Citibike credit card and bikes bologna but that’s just freaking stupid. I’ll go hide now.

347 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:01:18am

re: #330 calochortus

I’m a little late to this party and apologize if someone has already posted this, but may I introduce you to tiktaalik? There was a fossil gap. The attributes of an animal that would fill it were predicted and then tiktaalik was found-and it fit the prediction quite closely.
Of course that left a new gap on either side of it-so you could say there are more gaps without transitional fossils now, but I hope you’re smarter than that.

The objections to Tiktaalik stem from a confusion between “transitional” and “ancestral”. The claim is that Tiktaalik itself occurs too late in the fossil record to represent the actual ancestor of land vertebrates. Which may, as far as I know, be true. However, there’s no doubt whatsoever that Tiktaalik represents a morphological intermediate between fish and amphibians, and that it is at the very least related to (if not identical to) the actual species that was ancestral to land vertebrates. And this is what paleontologists mean when they refer to “transitional forms”.

Archaeopteryx is in the same position vis-a-vis reptiles and birds. It’s not itself the ancestor of modern birds, but it represents a transitional form nonetheless.

348 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:01:51am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

I have an affiliate account with ModernTribe but I never put any of their products up at the Zionist Mall.

OMG!

There is tons of stuff out there. I just thought the lip gloss was a hoot.

349 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:03:34am

re: #346 Gus

I have my own criticism of that Citibank, oops, Citibike credit card and bikes bologna but that’s just freaking stupid. I’ll go hide now.

Link at the link is to a video opinion piece that I can’t watch (until perhaps later in the day when my new ‘puter arrives). So I’ll have to seethe in ignorance for the moment.

350 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:04:13am

re: #349 wrenchwench

Link at the link is to a video opinion piece that I can’t watch (until perhaps later in the day when my new ‘puter arrives). So I’ll have to seethe in ignorance for the moment.

Ditto. Judging from the Tweets I’ve seen so far. :D

351 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:04:54am
Who knew?
352 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:05:02am

re: #350 Gus

Ditto. Judging from the Tweets I’ve seen so far. :D

I haven’t opened Twitter yet. No wonder my day is perking along smoothly.

:)

353 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:05:14am

bbl

354 calochortus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:05:50am

re: #347 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

IIRC, one of the important points with tiktaalik is the prediction being proved accurate by the discovery.

355 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:06:34am

re: #351 FemNaziBitch

Bad link

356 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:07:59am

This does not mean what OffexchangePro wants it to mean.
REAGAN tried to change the laws of economics with the worthless and harmful “Trickle Down” policy.

357 calochortus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:08:02am

Well, time to get on with my morning even if I’d rather get a second cup of coffee and sit here. Later all.

358 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:08:34am

You know, that we have fossils at all is just random chance. We didn’t have to be bony things, and we could have a world where fossilization didn’t occur. We know very little about soft stuff because it’s so much harder to fossilize.

Imagine a world where we didn’t even have fossils; evolution would have to be derived from things like ring species, and be even harder.

359 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:08:35am

re: #354 calochortus

IIRC, one of the important points with tiktaalik is the prediction being proved accurate by the discovery.

I don’t disagree. I’m just trying to explain why evolution denialists like EdDantes insist on rejecting Tiktaalik as evidence. He’s not the first I’ve seen do this, and won’t be the last.

360 Mattand  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:08:52am

re: #342 NJDhockeyfan

Al-Qaeda sets up complaints department

I’m curious to see if anyone will be brave enough to show up with a complaint.

Damn you, Onion. I see stuff like that and my first thought is that it’s something they wrote.

361 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:09:28am

re: #356 Vicious Babushka

Physics and economics are about as analogous as chemistry and sociology.

362 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:10:09am

re: #352 wrenchwench

I haven’t opened Twitter yet. No wonder my day is perking along smoothly.

:)

Got up too early thanks to someone’s noisy chair. Clack! Clack! Grrr. Wondered where my phone went so I grabbed it from mah car and got a work related call 20 minutes later. So now I have mah working orders. Went to Twitter first to check what I was last saying before I passed out last night. :D Well, I didn’t really pass out since I put my computer in sleep mode before hitting the couch.

363 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:10:32am

MOAR FAIL

364 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:10:45am

re: #360 Mattand

Damn you, Onion. I see stuff like that and my first thought is that it’s something they wrote.

Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me had a bunch of fun with this over the weekend:
Link

365 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:11:24am

re: #363 Vicious Babushka

MOAR FAIL

They’re building a plant there to COMPETE with BMW and Audi. Freaking artards.

366 Mattand  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:11:38am

re: #356 Vicious Babushka

367 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:12:00am

re: #300 sagehen

It wasn’t that he was reluctant to run against. It’s that he wanted to run, but didn’t get permission to run by the party elders. They took it as an offense to Lautenberg.

I had no problem with Booker wanting to run for the seat, and if he was primaried, I didn’t have a problem with that either (and the primary would be the de-facto winner in November given that there’s no one of note running on the GOP slate for the seat).

Lautenberg had been in poor health for the past couple of years, and really had been a no show for all but the most essential votes (where the outcome for Democratic party initiatives were in doubt in the Senate).

As for who will represent NJ through November, Gov. Christie will fill the seat until November. He’ll probably pick someone from the State Legislature to fill the slot.

Don’t know who that might be, but he may end up choosing someone like Richard Codey, who’s been an interim governor on a couple of occasions.

368 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:12:25am

MOAR FAILY FAIL
Poor, poor insecure guy didn’t feel “validated” until he was making more money than his “better half”

369 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:14:11am

Arthritis! You are ordered to STOP HURTING for a week until Medco decides to refill my meds.

370 Mattand  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:14:21am

re: #367 lawhawk

It wasn’t that he was reluctant to run against. It’s that he wanted to run, but didn’t get permission to run by the party elders. They took it as an offense to Lautenberg.

I had no problem with Booker wanting to run for the seat, and if he was primaried, I didn’t have a problem with that either (and the primary would be the de-facto winner in November given that there’s no one of note running on the GOP slate for the seat).

Lautenberg had been in poor health for the past couple of years, and really had been a no show for all but the most essential votes (where the outcome for Democratic party initiatives were in doubt in the Senate).

As for who will represent NJ through November, Gov. Christie will fill the seat until November. He’ll probably pick someone from the State Legislature to fill the slot.

Don’t know who that might be, but he may end up choosing someone like Richard Codey, who’s been an interim governor on a couple of occasions.

You really think he’s going to go with a Democrat? He’s no dummy; is it possible he’ll see this as an opportunity to get back into the GOP’s good graces?

371 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:15:10am

It’s pretty ironic that what ruined the GOP are the descendants of the old South’s states’ rights Democrats. AKA Confederates.

372 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:18:07am

re: #370 Mattand

You really think he’s going to go with a Democrat? He’s no dummy; is it possible he’ll see this as an opportunity to get back into the GOP’s good graces?

He really says goodbye to integrity if he does that. I don’t think he could get re-elected in Jersey if he did that.

373 Lidane  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:19:12am

Rebranding!

374 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:20:10am
375 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:20:34am

re: #373 Lidane

Rebranding!

Dear GOP. Oh fuck. Nevermind.

376 Mattand  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:24:23am

re: #372 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He really says goodbye to integrity if he does that. I don’t think he could get re-elected in Jersey if he did that.

I don’t know about that. The work he’s done with Sandy is trumping everything else. The people here who supported him before pretty much see him as a demigod now. There are many who didn’t like him who now see him as this shining beacon of moderation.

Admittedly anecdotal, but based on the people I know, they won’t care one way or the other if Christie’s goes GOP with the interim seat.

377 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:26:24am

re: #376 Mattand

I don’t know about that. The work he’s done with Sandy is trumping everything else. The people here who supported him before pretty much see him as a demigod now. There are many who didn’t like him who now see him as this shining beacon of moderation.

He’d blow that reputation for moderation out of the water if he behaved so partisan as to replace a solid Democrat with a Republican. It’d be literally taking advantage of the death for purely partisan reasons.

378 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:27:10am

Trickle down my ass. Tax cuts for the 1 percent DOES NOT CREATE JOBS.

379 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:28:17am

10,000 families earning a decent wage will buy 10,000 washers and dryers. 1 rich asshole will buy 1 washer and dryer.

380 Kragar  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:28:19am

Darrell Issa made himself ‘the biggest joke in all of Washington’

“Darrell Issa should call Jay Carney and apologize this morning,” Gibbs told MSNBC host Joe Scarborough on Monday. “He’s laying out the charge and then saying it might be true. And then he’s saying, ‘As the investigator, I know where I want to get, now I’m just getting around to proving it.’”

“I mean, it’s a stunning thing. It’s why five people in this town take Darrell Issa seriously. And it’s the surest bet that the Republicans are very much on the verge of overplaying their hand publicly and that the American people will lose interest in their side of this,” he added. “To throw around the words liar and perjury as easily as he did is shameful. And if he’s got information that these people lied, he should put it out there today.”

Co-host Mika Brzezinski pointed out that “Darrell Issa just kind of took it down to a level that makes us all just want to walk away and ignore it.”

“It shows how unserious he is about investigating anything,” Gibbs agreed. “The notion that he’s in charge of — quote — Government Oversight might now be the biggest joke in all of Washington.”

381 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:28:33am

re: #378 Gus

Trickle down my ass. Tax cuts for the 1 percent DOES NOT CREATE JOBS.

The last 6 years have definitely shown there is no relationship between stock market growth and job creation.

382 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:29:03am

re: #373 Lidane

Rebranding!

And they wonder why they can’t get the youth vote. Hey maybe stop giving a shit about what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms. Imagine that.

383 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:29:20am

re: #379 Gus

10,000 families earning a decent wage will buy 10,000 washers and dryers. 1 rich asshole will buy 1 washer and dryer.

YES BUT IT WILL COST AS MUCH AS 10,000 CHEAP LOWER-CLASS WASHER & DRYER!!11!!

384 Kragar  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:29:23am

re: #379 Gus

10,000 families earning a decent wage will buy 10,000 washers and dryers. 1 rich asshole will buy 1 washer and dryer.

Image: 20601-champagne-trickle-down-economics.jpg

385 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:30:01am

re: #381 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The last 6 years have definitely shown there is no relationship between stock market growth and job creation.

And they have also shown a strong correlation between increase in wealth disparity and low job creation and depressed wages.

386 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:30:15am

re: #381 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The last 6 years have definitely shown there is no relationship between stock market growth and job creation.

There is a whole bunch of job creation in Detroit, in spite of the wingnuts tweeting pictures of slums (many of which are owned by the Bridge Troll, who is, of course, GOP)

387 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:30:59am

re: #384 Kragar

Image: 20601-champagne-trickle-down-economics.jpg

Trickle-down more like this:

388 Mattand  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:32:00am

re: #377 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He’d blow that reputation for moderation out of the water if he behaved so partisan as to replace a solid Democrat with a Republican. It’d be literally taking advantage of the death for purely partisan reasons.

Good points. My thing is that if goes Democratic, he’s more than likely going to have to put in someone who supports Obamacare/ACA and is abortion rights. Blue Dogs seem to be pretty rare here.

That’s going to pour more salt on the wound of the GOP/Tea Bagger Central partisans. If he’s still entertaining a POTUS run for ‘16, appointing a run-of-the-mill Dem will be the final nail in the coffin.

389 Lidane  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:32:15am

re: #378 Gus

Trickle down my ass. Tax cuts for the 1 percent DOES NOT CREATE JOBS.

LIES! St. Ronald of Reagan told us it would lead to everyone in America getting rich!

Why do you hate America?

390 Joanne  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:32:38am

re: #379 Gus

10,000 families earning a decent wage will buy 10,000 washers and dryers. 1 rich asshole will buy 1 washer and dryer.

What seems to be the most base idea of capitalism seems to be completely lost on our elected GOP officials. There is a real disconnect in the GOP about what drives the economy.

Oh, wait. That assumption that the GOP gives one shit about the American economy was a total My Bad. We’re a global economy and there are other markets for their rich friends to further enrich themselves. America no longer matters to the GOP, evidenced by their willingness to fuck up our own fucking credit rating.

391 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:32:53am

re: #388 Mattand

Yep. He might as well leave the GOP. Or this could be his signature move in trying to wrest control of the GOP from the insane wing, but I think it’d be doomed to fail because the GOP is like 80% insane wing now.

392 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:32:55am

Trickle down aka the wealthy piss on you economics.

393 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:33:39am

re: #356 Vicious Babushka

This does not mean what OffexchangePro wants it to mean.
REAGAN tried to change the laws of economics with the worthless and harmful “Trickle Down” policy.

Image: trickle_down_doesn__t_work.jpg

394 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:33:45am

Has Christie ever given any indication what he’d do? Anyhow, he’s in a no-win situation.

395 Kragar  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:34:05am

No, Trayvon Martin Didn’t Film Homeless Men Getting Beaten — He Filmed a Bike

Ahead of next week’s start to his murder trial, the strategy of George Zimmerman’s defense team has been to throw Trayvon Martin’s character into question by leaking “evidence” that stirs up a negative reaction in the press and on social media, even if the Florida courts find it irrelevant. With most of the damage already done, Zimmerman’s attorneys now insist that Martin’s controversial cellphone video, which they introduced as evidence of the victim taping his friends as they beat up a homeless man, wasn’t as controversial as they made it sound.

Attorney Mark O’Mara and the rest of Zimmerman’s defense team took five days to acknowledge that they made this mistake, once again smeared Martin, and “misstated the nature” of the video. The lawyers released a statement correcting themselves on Sunday, after O’Mara said in a pre-trial hearing last Tuesday that the defense had obtained video of three fights, one of which, he said, showed that two of Martin’s friends “were beating up a homeless guy” while Martin filmed, NBC News reported.

That type of evidence might be damaging if it were actually the type of evidence the defense claimed it was, but instead it will be damaging for a haze of character discrediting and misinformation that may be impossible for any potential jury member to ignore. As The Orlando Sentinel’s Rene Stutzman reports, the video was actually “two homeless men fighting over a bicycle,” which Martin did film. How that turned into Martin’s friends beating up a homeless man is a little beyond us, considering there’s a huge difference between two homeless men fighting and two friends beating up a homeless man. But like the fabrications and over-the-top examples before it, the whole point of the defense strategy is to leave you grasping for answers.

Zimmerman’s defense team sounds like a bunch of conmen and shysters. At this point, if I was a potential jurist, I wouldn’t trust one fucking thing those assholes have to say.

396 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:34:30am

re: #390 Joanne

What seems to be the most base idea of capitalism seems to be completely lost on our elected GOP officials. There is a real disconnect in the GOP about what drives the economy.

Oh, wait. That assumption that the GOP gives one shit about the American economy was a total My Bad. We’re a global economy and there are other markets for their rich friends to further enrich themselves. America no longer matters to the GOP, evidenced by their willingness to fuck up our own fucking credit rating.

Even Henry Ford, despite his other short comings, understood this.

397 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:34:33am

re: #393 William Barnett-Lewis

Image: trickle_down_doesn__t_work.jpg

And with the slam dunk!

398 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:34:49am

Now it’s just greed, greed, greed.

399 Lidane  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:35:53am

re: #398 Gus

Now it’s just greed, greed, greed.

It’s always been greed, greed, greed. They’re just more obvious about it now.

400 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:36:54am

re: #394 HappyWarrior

Don’t think it’s a no-win situation.

He gets a lot of support from South Jersey Democrats like Norcross. IMO going with someone like Codey will preserve the status quo.

Moreover, this is a temporary thing - less than a year.

National GOPers might try to pressure him to pick a GOPer, who might help the GOP cause on something like immigration, but I think state politics will trump that.

401 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:37:44am

re: #400 lawhawk

Don’t think it’s a no-win situation.

He gets a lot of support from South Jersey Democrats like Norcross. IMO going with someone like Codey will preserve the status quo.

Moreover, this is a temporary thing - less than a year.

National GOPers might try to pressure him to pick a GOPer, who might help the GOP cause on something like immigration, but I think state politics will trump that.

Ah fair point.

402 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:38:03am

I don’t know what is a bigger FAIL, this “Dude” or “Miss Jane Galt” and her anti-abortion tweets.

403 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:38:16am

The more businessmen influenced by Ayn Rand and the less influenced by Adam Smith. Then yeah you get what we’re getting.

404 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:38:31am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Trickle down aka the wealthy piss on you economics.

Trickle-down economics stops at the first trough (i.e. the executives). From there, the only things that trickle down are shit and piss.

405 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:38:58am

re: #399 Lidane

It’s always been greed, greed, greed. They’re just more obvious about it now.

True. But there was a certain civic pride in the old industrialist types. Those old magnates loved their industry and the products that came from those factories. They weren’t pure moneyed people. Many of them were inventors and creators of new patents. Some were almost scientists. Now we have the pure money people that have little knowledge of the industries they operate. Nor do they care about the communities they’re based in other than the usual stereotypical charities they contribute to which amounts to a cop-out for their overall unjust way of operating.

406 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:39:04am

re: #404 GunstarGreen

Trickle-down economics stops at the first trough (i.e. the executives). From there, the only things that trickle down are shit and piss.

So it’s basically like a macroeconomic version of The Human Centipede.

407 Joanne  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:39:35am

re: #388 Mattand

Good points. My thing is that if goes Democratic, he’s more than likely going to have to put in someone who supports Obamacare/ACA and is abortion rights. Blue Dogs seem to be pretty rare here.

That’s going to pour more salt on the wound of the GOP/Tea Bagger Central partisans. If he’s still entertaining a POTUS run for ‘16, appointing a run-of-the-mill Dem will be the final nail in the coffin.

I will eat both my hat and yours if Christie appoints an interim Dem. That is totally not going to happen.

408 Lidane  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:40:01am

Apparently, no one ever had oral sex until the Clinton scandal. Or something.

409 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:40:04am

re: #393 William Barnett-Lewis

Image: trickle_down_doesn__t_work.jpg

Remember back in 2008 and 2009 when the DOW was the end-all be-all measurement of presidential success? How it was so very telling that the stock market tanked once Obama took office?

They shut their fucking mouths about the DOW real quick once it went back up.

410 Kragar  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:41:14am

re: #408 Lidane

Apparently, no one ever had oral sex until t he Clinton scandal. Or something.

How does Bryan Fischer have foreplay?
“BRACE YOURSELF!”

411 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:42:20am

re: #408 Lidane

Apparently, no one ever had oral sex until the Clinton scandal. Or something.

Just like gays are a new thing. Seriously some people seriously believe that being a gay is a new thing.

412 Mattand  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:42:48am

re: #394 HappyWarrior

Has Christie ever given any indication what he’d do? Anyhow, he’s in a no-win situation.

Well, he appointed a Muslim to a judgeship. That didn’t sit well with the Tea Baggers. So in theory, anything’s possible.

My big thing is if that Sandy hadn’t occurred, the whole “Captain Bipartisan” re-branding would have never happened. Christie was 100% behind Romney. He was all but calling Obama an asshole. He’s pushing a tax cut with no way to pay for it.

He was a True Republican™, through and through. Now, I’m glad he put NJ over politics when it came to fixing Sandy damage. But in the back of my mind, I still remember that he’s a savvy politician who may still have POTUS aspirations.

For all of Christie’s newfound fence mending, he still can’t be President without the GOP behind him, in all of it’s drooling, American Taliban glory. I will not be surprised to see him go GOP on this one. The only bright side is that the nominee may actually be a moderate Republican.

In any case, though, I’d defer to Lawhawk on this. Way smarter than me when it comes to NJ politics.

413 Mattand  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:43:53am

re: #407 Joanne

I will eat both my hat and yours if Christie appoints an interim Dem. That is totally not going to happen.

Let me wash it first. It’s a Phillies cap soaked in bitter tears over the last season and a half.

414 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:44:33am
415 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:44:49am

re: #405 Gus

True. But there was a certain civic pride in the old industrialist types. Those old magnates loved their industry and the products that came from those factories. They weren’t pure moneyed people. Many of them were inventors and creators of new patents. Some were almost scientists. Now we have the pure money people that have little knowledge of the industries they operate. Nor do they care about the communities they’re based in other than the usual stereotypical charities they contribute to which amounts to a cop-out for their overall unjust way of operating.

The original titans of industry were actually, you know, titans of industry. They actually did things. They made things, and then made better ways of making those things, until they climbed to the top.

None of the 1% are those people anymore. They’re gone, if not dead and gone. In their places now are their descendants, who never had to work a day in their lives.

Keep in mind, once you have a million dollars in the bank, your days of having to legitimately work for a living are over. Invested at a moderate ROI of 5% annually, a million will produce $50,000 per year of income. That’s already more than the average American income. It just goes up from there; 2 million banked/invested gives you a six-figure income which puts you even further up the ladder.

If the US government defines ‘wealthy’, for purposes of policy, to be an annual income of $250,000 or more, than all it takes is 5 million invested at 5% to meet the criteria for ‘wealthy’ on your interest income alone, without doing any work whatsoever.

Then keep in mind that most big-type moguls are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions.

416 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:45:18am

re: #412 Mattand

Well, he appointed a Muslim to a judgeship. That didn’t sit well with the Tea Baggers. So in theory, anything’s possible.

My big thing is if that Sandy hadn’t occurred, the whole “Captain Bipartisan” re-branding would have never happened. Christie was 100% behind Romney. He was all but calling Obama an asshole. He’s pushing a tax cut with no way to pay for it.

He was a True RepublicanTM, through and through. Now, I’m glad he put NJ over politics when it came to fixing Sandy damage. But in the back of my mind, I still remember what he’s a savvy politician who may still have POTUS aspirations.

For all of Christie’s newfound fence mending, he still can’t be President without the GOP behind him, in all of it’s drooling, American Taliban glory. I will not be surprised to see him go GOP on this one. The only bright side is that the nominee may actually be a moderate Republican.

In any case, though, I’d defer to Lawhawk on this. Way smarter than me when it comes to NJ politics.

I’ll defer to both of you since it’s your state. Frankly, I think he goes with a NJ Republican with a moderate reputation perhaps but who knows, these appointments are always surprises. Most of the time we don’t even know who the hell the person is.

417 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:45:53am

re: #410 Kragar

How does Bryan Fischer have foreplay?
“BRACE YOURSELF!”

You made me throw up in my mouth.

418 Kragar  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:47:50am

re: #417 Vicious Babushka

You made me throw up in my mouth.

I could have made a “Bring out the Gimp” reference instead.

419 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:47:59am

re: #410 Kragar

How does Bryan Fischer have foreplay?
“BRACE YOURSELF!”

SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW!

420 Kragar  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:48:58am
421 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:49:16am

Is it me or does Bryan Fischer seem to have a fixation on genitalia?

422 Kragar  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:53:01am

re: #421 Gus

Is it me or does Bryan Fischer seem to have a fixation on genitalia?

Lacking a functional set of his own, Bryan must be fascinated by everyone else’s.

423 Joanne  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:53:23am

re: #395 Kragar

No, Trayvon Martin Didn’t Film Homeless Men Getting Beaten — He Filmed a Bike

Zimmerman’s defense team sounds like a bunch of conmen and shysters. At this point, if I was a potential jurist, I wouldn’t trust one fucking thing those assholes have to say.

I believe in a strong defense as that is part of our justice system. This asshole is making a mockery of it. Blaming the victim in women and minority cases. Thems wimmens and colored peeples is to blame.

424 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:54:11am

re: #421 Gus

Is it me or does Bryan Fischer seem to have a fixation on genitalia?

Might be simply be a case of a significant lack of a particular something on his part…

425 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:54:56am

re: #400 lawhawk

Here’s a breakdown of what NJ and Gov. Christie can do to fill Lautenberg’s seat.

Under state law, Christie can appoint a temporary replacement to send to Washington. He can also choose to hold a special election as soon as this year to fill the seat. If Christie does not choose to hold a special election, the law contains conflicting language about whether an election would occur this November or in November 2014.

The state Office of Legislative Services said in an opinion issued today and obtained by The Star-Ledger that an appointment, if made, would serve until a general election in November 2014. The winner of that election would serve the remaining two months of Lautenberg’s term and begin a full term on Jan. 1, 2015.

The office said the governor also has the option to hold a special primary and special general election sooner than that date, and whoever wins would serve the remainder of Lautenberg’s term until the general election in 2014.

In a separate opinion obtained by The Star-Ledger, the office said a special primary and special general election would cost about $12 million a piece. The money would go to pay poll workers and other poll costs.

An appointment sets up an interesting choice for Christie, who’s running for re-election in a majority Democratic state but has also been rumored as a 2016 presidential contender. Montclair State University political science professor Brigid Harrison speculated he might reach across party lines and choose Newark Mayor Cory Booker.

Going with Booker would do more to upset national GOPers than another Democrat like Codey since Booker’s got the kind of ambition that might put a presidential run in his future and the GOP doesn’t want to give him that opportunity if it has a choice (as Christie could do).

426 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:55:52am

re: #415 GunstarGreen

Just to take this a bit further, because I enjoy mathematically illustrating absurdity.

Consider the following: According to a Forbes article published in April 2012, James H. Herbert II, the CEO of First Republic California, was paid just over 16 million dollars in one year — he ranks number 93 on the list.

If he were to be paid for just that one year, out of his entire life, and then immediately quit or was fired, those 16 million dollars would get him an income of $800,000 per year if invested at a modest 5%.

That’s as much as 20 average American workers COMBINED, for doing absolutely nothing except sitting on a giant pile of money. If you consider a ‘family’ to be two average American workers, he would be making as much as 10 families put together, by himself, just off of interest.

These people have absolutely no idea what it is like to live in America. They exist in a gilded bubble that is immune to the realities of normal life.

427 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:56:25am

Wingnuts are Tweeting a bunch of photos of Trayvon smoking pot, as though this is evidence that he committed a crime requiring the death penalty.

428 Kragar  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:56:34am
429 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:57:13am

re: #408 Lidane

Oral sex could spread HPV, which is known to cause cancers. There’s a vaccine for HPV, but the usual suspects rail against it because it involves something that might be spread by sex.

430 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:58:45am

re: #428 Kragar

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

King James Bible, Leviticus 20:13

431 Gus  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:58:49am

I keep forgetting how “conservatives” never engage in sexual activity outside of, praise the Lord, procreation. They never go out to bars to “pick up some chicks and get laid.” They never engage in swingers clubs, sport fucking or even blow jobs from lady boys while on shore leave in the Philippines. Much like Catholic priests, “conservatives” are very conservative in their sexuality.

//

432 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:59:05am

re: #429 lawhawk

Oral sex could spread HPV, which is known to cause cancers. There’s a vaccine for HPV, but the usual suspects rail against it because it involves something that might be spread by sex.

Maybe when more men realize it could affect them and not just women, they’ll quit railing against the vaccine.

433 Lidane  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:59:16am

Reading about the report that was Paged here, I have to agree with this. The GOP are in total denial. They keep talking about “errant” voices and “misconceptions” about what the party stands for when it’s pretty goddamn obvious what they stand for:

434 Kragar  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:59:16am

re: #429 lawhawk

Oral sex could spread HPV, which is known to cause cancers. There’s a vaccine for HPV, but the usual suspects rail against it because it involves something that might be spread by sex.

Bachmann claims HPV vaccine might cause ‘mental retardation’

435 Lidane  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:00:26am

re: #434 Kragar

Bachmann claims HPV vaccine might cause ‘mental retardation’

Because if anyone could recognize the signs of mental retardation, it’s Michele Bachmann.

436 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:01:06am

re: #434 Kragar

Bachmann claims HPV vaccine might cause ‘mental retardation’

I think the virus (through a spokesgerm) said the same thing about Michele.

437 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:01:19am

re: #433 Lidane

Reading about the report that was Paged here, I have to agree with this. The GOP are in total denial. They keep talking about “errant” voices and “misconceptions” about what the party stands for when it’s pretty goddamn obvious what they stand for:

It’s their own damn fault. I mean even the Republicans I knew in college were always careful to distance themselves from the GOP’s more crazy ideas. They just naively believed that the GOP is actually fiscally conservative.

438 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:01:46am

re: #434 Kragar

Bachmann claims HPV vaccine might cause ‘mental retardation’

Isn’t that from like 2 years ago?

439 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:02:06am

re: #434 Kragar

Bachmann claims HPV vaccine might cause ‘mental retardation’

And exhibit ZZZ for why I find the anti-vaxxers to be as dangerous and twisted as the religious right.

440 Kragar  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:02:36am

re: #438 Vicious Babushka

Isn’t that from like 2 years ago?

Yeah, but a lot of them still think she was right about it. Stupid anti-vaxxers.

441 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:03:09am

re: #425 lawhawk

The blue and white lights at the top of the Empire State were beautiful last night! I’m glad you had a nice day yesterday!re: #432 wrenchwench

Maybe when more men realize it could affect them and not just women, they’ll quit railing against the vaccine.

My 10 year old is going to get the series of 3 shots this fall. Apparently, it’s better for boys to get the vaccine earlier than what is recommended for girls. What a life saving convenience of Modern Science!

442 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:03:44am

Speaking of vaccines. Need to get my shingles shot. Really the last thing I need is that shit coming back in the dead of summer again.

443 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:08:03am

re: #442 HappyWarrior

Speaking of vaccines. Need to get my shingles shot. Really the last thing I need is that shit coming back in the dead of summer again.

You had a bout of it? Man, I thought I was too young to get it! Having had it means you’re unlikely to get it again, but I’m sure the shot is better than that slight chance. I should do it too.

444 sagehen  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:08:46am

re: #419 Gus

SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW!

ask and you shall receive


Image: FireFly.jpeg

445 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:09:48am

re: #443 wrenchwench

You had a bout of it? Man, I thought I was too young to get it! Having had it means you’re unlikely to get it again, but I’m sure the shot is better than that slight chance. I should do it too.

Yeah I’ve had some crazy bad luck with my back. First the shingles and I’ve just recently recovered from a cyst there. Really pissed me off last summer because it was right in the prime of my swimming. Got it taken care of fortunately right before my trip to the West coast though.

446 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:09:52am

re: #439 HappyWarrior

And exhibit ZZZ for why I find the anti-vaxxers to be as dangerous and twisted as the religious right.

They are worse. They are a real threat.

447 Kaessa  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:11:14am

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

Well, I have finally made up my mind to replace the KitchenAid mixer that I have had for more than 30 years. I want to get a larger capacity, something that is capable of handling a bread dough from 4lbs. of flour.

The 6-quart KitchenAid is out, I have heard too much bad stuff about the motor overheating and stalling out, also the plastic gearbox.

Still in the running:

Viking Professional 7-quart
KitchenAid 7-quart commercial stand mixer.
Cuisinart 7-quart stand mixer.
Electrolux Magic Mill.

I know this is a little late, but you CAN get a KitchenAid Pro 6-quart with metal gears and gearbox. Mine has both. I believe anything manufactured after 2006 has the metal gearbox. If you get one that was made in the past few years, you should be fine.

I can easily make 6 loaves of sourdough in mine without the motor overheating. YMMV. ;)

448 sagehen  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:11:27am

re: #425 lawhawk

Here’s a breakdown of what NJ and Gov. Christie can do to fill Lautenberg’s seat.

Going with Booker would do more to upset national GOPers than another Democrat like Codey since Booker’s got the kind of ambition that might put a presidential run in his future and the GOP doesn’t want to give him that opportunity if it has a choice (as Christie could do).

It would piss off the national GOP, but thrill his own home state.

And if he wants to gamble that the GOP might return to sanity by 2016, it would be a useful thing to have done when he’s positioning himself as a guy who could maybe pull crossover voters.

449 Joanne  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:13:19am

re: #413 Mattand

Let me wash it first. It’s a Phillies cap soaked in bitter tears over the last season and a half.

Honestly, your hat is safe. I reiterate that there is no way Christie will put a Dem in. None. Nada. Not gonna happen.

Your bitter tears will survive another year. :-)

450 Joanne  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:14:44am

re: #420 Kragar

Bryan Fischer @BryanJFischer

Tough to tell which team McCain plays for. Criticizes Issa for telling the truth about Carney. townhall.com …

It’s not a team, asshole. It’s a country.

451 Lidane  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:15:42am

If Chris Christie goes with Cory Booker, I will break open a bottle of wine and gleeflully watch all the RWNJ heads go ‘splodey. That would be fun.

452 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:16:33am

re: #450 Joanne

It’s not a team, asshole. It’s a country.

No, it’s very much a team. Sports analogies are actually incredibly appropriate when talking about American politics.

People choose a side, typically one they were raised into choosing, and support that side no matter what, sometimes even getting violent about it. Nothing their team does is bad, and the other teams are irredeemable trash that are to be shunned and demonized at every possible opportunity.

453 Joanne  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:18:43am

re: #452 GunstarGreen

No, it’s very much a team. Sports analogies are actually incredibly appropriate when talking about American politics.

People choose a side, typically one they were raised into choosing, and support that side no matter what, sometimes even getting violent about it. Nothing their team does is bad, and the other teams are irredeemable trash that are to be shunned and demonized at every possible opportunity.

Funny. When a GOPer was elected, I supported him as it is AMERICA of which I am a part. I don’t support every issue on either side, but we are still a country and what is playing out now is really bad for the country.

454 Lidane  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:19:42am

Another “errant voice” on the right:

455 Jolo5309  Mon, Jun 3, 2013 10:19:58am

re: #443 wrenchwench

You had a bout of it? Man, I thought I was too young to get it! Having had it means you’re unlikely to get it again, but I’m sure the shot is better than that slight chance. I should do it too.

A coworker had them last year, he was 33 at the time.


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