DERPJim Hoft goes to Washington, because no right wing scheme is complete without the participation of the Internet’s Dumbest Man.
Am flying off to DC. Last flight from there was with @TookieW … Miss him @DLoesch @ChrisLoesch @HatingBreitbart
— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) June 3, 2013
I look forward to laughing at whatever they come up with.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:50:16pm |
Can they fly with that much derp aboard? I’m pretty sure that’s some serious FAA code violations.
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Skip Intro Mon, Jun 3, 2013 6:53:58pm |
Jim’s OUTRAGE OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!
Air Force Removes Inspirational Painting With Bible Verse From Dining Hall - Atheists Found It “Repugnant”
Image: 428x570xcrusader-art.jpg.pagespeed.ic.zOwyIzkWBI.jpg
Maybe it’s just me, but this looks like something that would have hung in the dining halls of the Luftwaffe, circa 1939.
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jaunte Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:00:23pm |
re: #2 Skip Intro
It’s the “be a historical warrior” approach:
bridgemanart.com
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:02:15pm |
re: #2 Skip Intro
Jim’s OUTRAGE OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!
Image: 428x570xcrusader-art.jpg.pagespeed.ic.zOwyIzkWBI.jpg
Maybe it’s just me, but this looks like something that would have hung in the dining halls of the Luftwaffe, circa 1939.
It is repugnant.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:02:45pm |
re: #2 Skip Intro
I don’t even get it. What is the guy with the cross doing? Is he a crusader? The bible verse quoted is:
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Nobody thinks Crusaders were peacemakers, do they?
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EPR-radar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:03:01pm |
re: #3 jaunte
Even though I’m sure this kind of heavy-handed propaganda imagery is not limited to the US and Nazi Germany, it remains generally odious. I’m glad it was removed.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:04:07pm |
This was one of the right’s craziest, most obsessed promoters of conspiracy theories. That’s why you’re seeing so many tributes to this anonymous loon.
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dragonath Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:09:08pm |
re: #2 Skip Intro
Maybe it’s just me, but this looks like something that would have hung in the dining halls of the Luftwaffe, circa 1939.
Gott Mit Uns
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:09:10pm |
a rare astrological event seems to have taken place in albuquerque
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jaunte Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:10:08pm |
So Hoft is going to Washington because a ‘scandal’ is about to ‘explode’?
I’m just glad Darrel Issa didn’t say “my spider-sense is tingling.”
— eclecticbrotha (@eclecticbrotha) June 4, 2013
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Gus Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:11:13pm |
re: #2 Skip Intro
Jim’s OUTRAGE OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!
Image: 428x570xcrusader-art.jpg.pagespeed.ic.zOwyIzkWBI.jpg
Maybe it’s just me, but this looks like something that would have hung in the dining halls of the Luftwaffe, circa 1939.
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Skip Intro Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:11:49pm |
re: #5 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
I don’t even get it. What is the guy with the cross doing? Is he a crusader? The bible verse quoted is:
Yeah, it’s a crusader. There’s also the unfortunate transformation of the crusader’s cross into what looks to be a German cross on whatever that is in the background.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:14:09pm |
I’d be deeply offended being compared to a Crusader.
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Romantic Heretic Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:14:22pm |
re: #2 Skip Intro
Problem with that is most of the people unhappy with that picture were Christians of one type or another.
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jaunte Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:17:34pm |
re: #13 Varek Raith
I’d be deeply offended being compared to a Crusader.
Simon de Montfort:
Simon remained on his estates in France, where in 1209 he was elected captain-general of the French forces in the Albigensian Crusade by his fellow nobles, reportedly after several larger players had turned down the role. He led the siege and subsequent sack of Béziers on 22 July 1209 when the entire population of twenty thousand Cathars and Catholics were slaughtered.[3] Thousands sought sanctuary in the Cathedral of St Nazaire which was set on fire and also in the Eglise de la Madeleine inside which all were butchered to death. “Tuez les tous, Dieu reconnaitra les siens” - “Kill them all, God will recognize his own” was the famous quotation which exonerated the rampaging Crusaders.
en.wikipedia.org
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calochortus Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:17:55pm |
re: #14 Romantic Heretic
Problem with that is most of the people unhappy with that picture were Christians of one type or another.
Please do not bring facts into this. /
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EPR-radar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:18:29pm |
re: #13 Varek Raith
I’d be deeply offended being compared to a Crusader.
Can’t imagine why. Who wouldn’t want to be compared to gangs that had a marked tendency to rape and pillage their way across Europe before doing more of same in the Islamic world (if they even bothered to make it that far)?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:18:48pm |
re: #5 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
I don’t even get it. What is the guy with the cross doing? Is he a crusader? The bible verse quoted is:
Nobody thinks Crusaders were peacemakers, do they?
Looks somewhat like a Templar to me.
Oh, the things Dan Brown or the makers of Assassin’s Creed would have calling the knight a Templar.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:18:48pm |
re: #12 Skip Intro
Yeah, it’s a crusader. There’s also the unfortunate transformation of the crusader’s cross into what looks to be a German cross on whatever that is in the background.
Okay, well, bravo for irony I guess.
Crusaders came to bring peace to the holy land
by killing muslims and jews and for that matter plenty of Christians too
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:19:27pm |
Crusaders: saving Jerusalem by indiscriminately massacring the population of Jerusalem.
…and a bunch of East-of-the-Bosphorous Orthodox Christians, Jews that were inconveniently in their warpath…and were brown-ish.
…and a bunch of Muslim peasants with zero relationship to the Caliphate or the Turks.
…and Jews in Germany and Eastern Europe.
…and a bunch of folks in Constantinople.
Also….maybe a bit of cannibalism.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:19:45pm |
Ugh, I still can’t believe large groups of people look favorably upon the Crusades.
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EPR-radar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:20:07pm |
re: #15 jaunte
“Kill them all, God will recognize his own” has recently been taken up as an operating principle by some FL GOP state legislators.
Can’t keep a good idea buried forever. //dripping
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calochortus Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:20:42pm |
re: #21 Varek Raith
Large groups of people are remarkably uninformed and have a hazy, romantic view of many rather horrific things.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:21:08pm |
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
The Templars wound up getting burned at the stake for heresy in kangaroo courts quite a bit.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:22:17pm |
re: #21 Varek Raith
Ugh, I still can’t believe large groups of people look favorably upon the Crusades.
Even when I was a kid, they seemed dumb, because anything that led to this guy being King of England was dumb:
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Gus Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:22:33pm |
re: #21 Varek Raith
Ugh, I still can’t believe large groups of people look favorably upon the Crusades.
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EPR-radar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:23:00pm |
re: #21 Varek Raith
Ugh, I still can’t believe large groups of people look favorably upon the Crusades.
The only bad thing I’ve heard about the Crusades that is of doubtful provenance is the charming story of the Children’s crusade. That leaves innumerable well-documents atrocities to discredit the Crusades.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:23:15pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:24:36pm |
Ever get this feeling?
Youtube Video
Getting it now.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:26:31pm |
re: #2 Skip Intro
Jim’s OUTRAGE OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!
Image: 428x570xcrusader-art.jpg.pagespeed.ic.zOwyIzkWBI.jpg
Maybe it’s just me, but this looks like something that would have hung in the dining halls of the Luftwaffe, circa 1939.
That just sucks. Utterly sucks.
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Skip Intro Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:27:25pm |
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:27:34pm |
re: #28 EPR-radar
The only bad thing I’ve heard about the Crusades that is of doubtful provenance is the charming story of the Children’s crusade. That leaves innumerable well-documents atrocities to discredit the Crusades.
Well, the only positive thing I can think of is that the few men that returned brought with them knowledge of the world.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:27:49pm |
re: #26 Gus
This site was last updated on May 31, 2013.
It looks like it was last updated on May 31, 1999.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:27:54pm |
re: #15 jaunte
Simon de Montfort:
As an interesting footnote, his son, also named Simon de Montfort, lead the Baron’s Revolt against King Henry III of England. While the revolt succeeded for a time, it was eventually quelled after Simon with killed at the Battle of Evesham. The Royalist forces at Evesham were lead by Henry’s son, Edward.
Upon Henry III’s death, his son was crowned as King Edward I. You might also know him as Edward the Longshanks (so nicknamed because he stood 6’ 1”), and his conduct of the Battle of Evesham was as ruthless as King Edward is depicted by Mel Gibson in Braveheart. Such was the destruction wrought against Simon de Montfort’s army that a monk at a nearby monastery wrote:
“Such was the Murder of Evesham, for battle there was none.”
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:29:15pm |
re: #17 EPR-radar
Can’t imagine why. Who wouldn’t want to be compared to gangs that had a marked tendency to rape and pillage their way across Europe before doing more of same in the Islamic world (if they even bothered to make it that far)?
The Templars were kinda good guys for a while. They did make the roads safe and keep documents and banking stuff legit within their little world.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:30:57pm |
re: #2 Skip Intro
Jim’s OUTRAGE OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!
Image: 428x570xcrusader-art.jpg.pagespeed.ic.zOwyIzkWBI.jpg
Maybe it’s just me, but this looks like something that would have hung in the dining halls of the Luftwaffe, circa 1939.
He’s of the same style as Jon McNaughton, but without McNaughton’s unintentional hilarity.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:31:41pm |
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:31:48pm |
Good evening Lizards. Home from my travels in the southern tier of New York State.
Kitties are doing well and pleased to have their regular staff on hand to deal with their needs.
Need time now to organize pictures since I took a lot today.
Today’s teaser photo:
The big lens (first try)
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:33:03pm |
re: #40 Feline Fearless Leader
Good evening Lizards. Home from my travels in the southern tier of New York State.
Kitties are doing well and pleased to have their regular staff on hand to deal with their needs.
Need time now to organize pictures since I took a lot today.
Today’s teaser photo:
The big lens (first try)
Whose pantalooned ass is that?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:33:50pm |
re: #25 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Even when I was a kid, they seemed dumb, because anything that led to this guy being King of England was dumb:
Prince, later King John was a failure of a ruler and his son was Henry III, who wasn’t much better, hence the Baron’s Revolt. But again, John’s grandson was Edward I, who was far more brutal than either his father or grandfather had ever been, but was actually much better regarded in England. This was so because Edward was a strong king and most people were better off under his reign due to the absence of internal armed conflict within England. Scotland and Wales, of course, were ravaged in Edward’s pursuit of control over the whole of Albion.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:34:53pm |
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Skip Intro Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:34:58pm |
re: #38 Vicious Babushka
He’s of the same style as Jon McNaughton, but without McNaughton’s unintentional hilarity.
So the guy in uniform is a cop? WTH does that have to do with the Air Force?
BTW, thanks for reminding me of the name of the Thomas Kinkade of Tea Party Derp. It had slipped my mind.
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EPR-radar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:35:39pm |
re: #34 FemNaziBitch
Well, the only positive thing I can think of is that the few men that returned brought with them knowledge of the world.
I wouldn’t give credit for that to the Crusades. The crusaders weren’t interested in books or civilization.
Peaceful contacts and the consequences of the Spanish Reconquista were probably more significant sources of knowledge getting into Europe.
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EPR-radar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:39:46pm |
re: #21 Varek Raith
Ugh, I still can’t believe large groups of people look favorably upon the Crusades.
What is so hard about this?
Viking raids : Europe :: Crusades : Near East
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Occam's Guillotine Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:40:09pm |
History in her solemn page informs us, that the crusaders were but ignorant and savage men, that their motives were those of bigotry unmitigated, and that their pathway was one of blood and tears. Romance, on the other hand, dilates upon their piety and heroism and pourtrays in her most glowing and impassioned hues their virtue and magnanimity, the imperishable honour they acquired for themselves, and the great services they rendered to Christianity.
Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (Charles Mackay, 1841)
This is one of my very favorite books. It is highly relevant and informative even today, since modern communication has enabled popular delusion and crowd madness to a degree MacKay could not have imagined. The section on speculative bubbles; the Dutch tulip mania, for example; could have saved gullible gun nuts billions in recent months. Unfortunately, they are too busy listening to Alex Jones et al to have much time for reading, and the erudite language would be too much for them in any case.
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:41:13pm |
re: #47 EPR-radar
That actually seems insulting to the Vikings.
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dragonath Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:41:38pm |
re: #19 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Okay, well, bravo for irony I guess.
Crusaders came to bring peace to the holy land
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Supposedly they tortured the Orthodox prelate to the death for the location of the “true cross”. Then there’s the disaster that was the Fourth Crusade.
Gotta like how Frederick II got excommunicated twice, first for blowing off the Pope on a crusade, and then for negotiating an independent truce with the Ayyubids.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:42:56pm |
re: #46 EPR-radar
I wouldn’t give credit for that to the Crusades. The crusaders weren’t interested in books or civilization.
Peaceful contacts and the consequences of the Spanish Reconquista were probably more significant sources of knowledge getting into Europe.
Some things came back to Europe anyways. But ‘knowledge of the world’, means more than new technology or scientific ideas.
Those who returned from the Crusades and met many people who were different from them. And while massacres did happen, at other times they didn’t and those who had gone on a crusade normally returned knowing the world was a lot bigger than the place where they grew up. Visiting other places and meeting people who are not like you helps develop a frame of mind more open to commerce and new ideas.
The Crusades, brutal though they were, were an important bridge out of the Dark Ages for Europe.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:43:11pm |
Nice
Throughout Scripture we are continually amazed at Christ’s actions. Here in the story illustrated by Mercy, an adulteress is caught and given a death sentence. She deserved it. The people screamed for it and the law warranted it. It seemed to be a case of well-deserved justice. However, the Author of all Justice, Jesus, kneels before her and writes on the ground. Max Lucado, the famous author and pastor, once said that what Jesus wrote on the ground that day was “Forgiven.” Where justice demanded payment, Jesus paid the bill in blood and covered over our sins through His mercy.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:43:56pm |
Why am I wasting my time on that creep’s artwork?
Jesus Christ.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:44:49pm |
re: #49 ProTARDISLiberal
That actually seems insulting to the Vikings.
No, it isn’t. The Viking destruction of Scarbourgh in 1066 was every bit as brutal as the Crusader assault on Jerusalem 33 years later.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:47:13pm |
And that big chunk of Pyrex is pretty interesting. First attempt to make a mirror for this:
en.wikipedia.org
20 *tons* of Pyrex.
When they made the new building for displaying this puppy they covered it up, tore down the old building, and built the new one around it rather than trying to move it.
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dragonath Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:49:11pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
But hey ended up spiting the face of Christianity in the Near East. Constantinople may have lasted a few more years and who knows what Egypt would have looked like if the Mamelukes would not have taken power.
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EPR-radar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:49:17pm |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
No, it isn’t. The Viking destruction of Scarbourgh in 1066 was every bit as brutal as the Crusader assault on Jerusalem 33 years later.
I suspect the total body count from the Crusades was considerably higher than the total from Viking raids, however.
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Skip Intro Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:50:04pm |
re: #52 Stanghazi
Max Lucado, the famous author and pastor, once said that what Jesus wrote on the ground that day was “Forgiven.
Now HTH does he know this?
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:50:17pm |
re: #52 Stanghazi
Nice
Is the shadow of his head going between her legs?
Hope he doesn’t get cancer …
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Stanghazi Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:50:38pm |
re: #55 Feline Fearless Leader
And that big chunk of Pyrex is pretty interesting. First attempt to make a mirror for this:
en.wikipedia.org20 *tons* of Pyrex.
When they made the new building for displaying this puppy they covered it up, tore down the old building, and built the new one around it rather than trying to move it.
Palomar is very close to where I work!
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:52:10pm |
re: #46 EPR-radar
I wouldn’t give credit for that to the Crusades. The crusaders weren’t interested in books or civilization.
Peaceful contacts and the consequences of the Spanish Reconquista were probably more significant sources of knowledge getting into Europe.
eh, it’s more than books and intellectual learning. Having one’s world view forever changed has consequences. Have a whole bunch of guys coming back with their world-view forever changed can be a contribuing factor to change.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:52:24pm |
re: #59 FemNaziBitch
Is the shadow of his head going between her legs?
Hope he doesn’t get cancer …
L
O
L
Lena Dunham tweeted some hilarious shit regarding that last night.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:53:48pm |
re: #56 dragonath
But hey ended up spiting the face of Christianity in the Near East. Constantinople may have lasted a few more years and who knows what Egypt would have looked like if the Mamelukes would not have taken power.
I doubt it. The 4th Crusade devastated the Byzantines, but the 1st Crusade may well have saved them from the Saljuk Turks.
I love being able to have discussions like this. So few people know this stuff anymore.
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Skip Intro Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:55:15pm |
re: #61 Stanghazi
haha.
He just knows.
Since the crowd dispersed after he wrote something, it could just as easily have been “leper”.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:55:38pm |
re: #38 Vicious Babushka
He’s of the same style as Jon McNaughton, but without McNaughton’s unintentional hilarity.
And here we go;
The one I chose is a Crusader holding the flag with the symbol of his mission, the Cross.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:56:27pm |
re: #64 Dark_Falcon
I doubt it. The 4th Crusade devastated the Byzantines, but the 1st Crusade may well have saved them from the Saljuk Turks.
I love being able to have discussions like this. So few people know this stuff anymore.
I can’t keep the labels of the different groups of people straight thru-out history. I just know that lots of library’s and scriptoriums were burned or otherwise destroyed and IT PISSES ME OFF.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:57:36pm |
re: #63 Stanghazi
L
O
LLena Dunham tweeted some hilarious shit regarding that last night.
I have a fb friend who is all over it as well. Too Damn Funny!
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Stanghazi Mon, Jun 3, 2013 7:59:39pm |
Justin Bieber and I have so much in common. twitpic.com/cv58mw
— The Fix (@TheFix) June 4, 2013
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Stanghazi Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:00:24pm |
re: #68 FemNaziBitch
I have a fb friend who is all over it as well. Too Damn Funny!
Well, thank god Mr. Douglas said that the cause was also the cure.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:00:27pm |
re: #67 FemNaziBitch
I can’t keep the labels of the different groups of people straight thru-out history. I just know that lots of library’s and scriptoriums were burned or otherwise destroyed and IT PISSES ME OFF.
Sadly, every major faction was guilty of that in those days. It was a very brutal time.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:01:16pm |
re: #71 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, every major faction was guilty of that in those days. It was a very brutal time.
Yeah, so why do so many today look favorably upon them?
That’s the issue here.
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Occam's Guillotine Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:01:18pm |
re: #55 Feline Fearless Leader
And that big chunk of Pyrex is pretty interesting. First attempt to make a mirror for this:
en.wikipedia.org20 *tons* of Pyrex.
When they made the new building for displaying this puppy they covered it up, tore down the old building, and built the new one around it rather than trying to move it.
The creation of the Hale Telescope is an enthralling story.
The Glass Giant of Palomar, David Oakes Woodbury
There were 3 editions of this book, the first in 1946 (before the giant was completed) and the last in 1970.
The Perfect Machine: Building the Palomar Telescope
This is a lot more recent (1995)and provides a computer-age perspective.
Almost a half-century after is completion, the 200-inch Palomar telescope remains an unparalleled combination of vast scale and microscope detail. As huge as the Pantheon of Rome and as heavy as the Statue of Liberty, this magnificent instrument is so precisely built that its seventeen-foot mirror was hand-polished to a tolerance of 2/1,000,000 of an inch. The telescope’s construction drove some to the brink of madness, made others fearful that mortals might glimpse heaven, and transfixed an entire nation. Ronald Florence weaves into his account of the creation of “the perfect machine” a stirring chronicle of the birth of Big Science and a poignant rendering of an America mired in the depression yet reaching for the stars.
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EPR-radar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:01:34pm |
re: #64 Dark_Falcon
I doubt it. The 4th Crusade devastated the Byzantines, but the 1st Crusade may well have saved them from the Saljuk Turks.
I love being able to have discussions like this. So few people know this stuff anymore.
I’m fond of considering apparent turning points in history, where things could have very significantly gone a different way. The best example I’m aware of is when Europe rediscovered the Greek and Roman culture (as preserved and extended in Islam), the Christian church faced a choice of whether to try to suppress this as a danger to the faith, or to embrace it.
It ended up being embraced, and it ended up being a danger to the faith. Had it been suppressed, things today would be very different indeed.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:04:26pm |
re: #72 Varek Raith
Yeah, so why do so many today look favorably upon them?
That’s the issue here.
Because they truly see it as a holy war. Not war of Penis Envy.
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:05:13pm |
re: #74 EPR-radar
The Muslim World went the opposite way.
And look where that brought us after a very slow decline.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:06:14pm |
re: #74 EPR-radar
I’m fond of considering apparent turning points in history, where things could have very significantly gone a different way. The best example I’m aware of is when Europe rediscovered the Greek and Roman culture (as preserved and extended in Islam), the Christian church faced a choice of whether to try to suppress this as a danger to the faith, or to embrace it.
It ended up being embraced, and it ended up being a danger to the faith. Has it been suppressed, things today would be very different indeed.
I just read something (probably in the book binding research I’ve been doing) regarding the (re-)opening of the Silk Road (700’s?) and it’s effect on Europe. Another turning point.
Trade is so much more positive than war.
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dragonath Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:06:24pm |
re: #67 FemNaziBitch
Things could have been a little nicer if there were a few less dick sultans, moron popes, and ambitious assholes.
I wonder if that dude in the Crusader paining is supposed to be Raynald of Châtillon or something. Yeah, that’s the spirit.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:06:38pm |
re: #76 ProTARDISLiberal
The Muslim World went the opposite way.
And look where that brought us after a very slow decline.
The Church didn’t exactly have much say in the matter.
Enlightenment and all.
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Occam's Guillotine Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:07:55pm |
re: #73 Occam’s Guillotine
Woodbury recounts that Lowell Thomas broadcast live from the Corning Glass Works for 16 hours on a national network while the mirror blank was being cast. Later in 1934, when the blank was shipped to California on a special train, people lined the tracks for miles and cheered as it went by. We know a hell of lot more science today, but we are back in the dark ages as far as public attitudes are concerned.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:08:37pm |
re: #78 dragonath
Things could have been a little nicer if there were a few less
dick sultans, moron popes, and ambitious assholesmen obsessed with Power and Control.
I wonder if that dude in the Crusader paining is supposed to be Raynald of Châtillon or something. Yeah, that’s the spirit.
FTFY
:0
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Romantic Heretic Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:09:23pm |
If you’re into history you’ll love this: Crash Course: World History.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:09:49pm |
re: #80 Occam’s Guillotine
Woodbury recounts that Lowell Thomas broadcast live from the Corning Glass Works for 16 hours on a national network while the mirror blank was being cast. Later in 1934, when the blank was shipped to California on a special train, people lined the tracks for miles and cheered as it went by. We know a hell of lot more science today, but we are back in the dark ages as far as public attitudes are concerned.
There was a longish Nat Geo article on them casting, polishing, and then moving the mirror. Not sure which year/issue it was in since my parents had a collection that ran from mid-1957 up through until after I graduated college.
I spent a lot of time in my youth pulling random issues and reading stuff.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:10:01pm |
Yep, going to hell.
;)
Youtube Video
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:10:21pm |
re: #77 FemNaziBitch
I just read something (probably in the book binding research I’ve been doing) regarding the (re-)opening of the Silk Road (700’s?) and it’s effect on Europe. Another turning point.
Trade is so much more positive than war.
The Silk Road was reopened in the 1200’s by the Mongols, and they reopened it through some of the most brutal campaigns imaginable.
To return to an earlier statement by Dragonath: However bad the Mamelukes were, they saved Egypt from being sacked by the Mongols.
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EPR-radar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:11:48pm |
re: #79 Varek Raith
The Church didn’t exactly have much say in the matter.
Enlightenment and all.
Actually, what I was referring to above was centuries before the Enlightenment, but interacted with the Enlightenment in interesting ways.
For example, the scholastics of the 11th-13th centuries ended up embedding Aristotle’s physics into Christian dogma. That proved to be troublesome for the church when Aristotle’s physics needed revision centuries later. Ditto with the Ptolemaic system, of course.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:15:16pm |
re: #78 dragonath
Things could have been a little nicer if there were a few less dick sultans, moron popes, and ambitious assholes.
I wonder if that dude in the Crusader paining is supposed to be Raynald of Châtillon or something. Yeah, that’s the spirit.
I doubt that the painter would be that stupid, if he even knows who Raynald was.
For those who don’t know, Raynald de Châtillon was a brutal a greedy Christian nobleman, who in later years was Lord of Kerak, a Crusader castle in what is today Jordan. His brutal raids on Muslim caravans enraged Salah-al-Din (sometimes called Saladin) and his capture of al-Din’s sister prompted the Muslim ruler to launch the campaign that smashed the Kingdom of Jerusalem at the battle of Hattin.
PLL, would you kindly finish the story for me?
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EPR-radar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:17:00pm |
re: #87 dragonath
The 1200s sound like they were pretty crappy.
Most of history is pretty crappy. E.g., some people get all bent out of shape about Game of Thrones etc. because it is a fantasy series having realistic levels of brutality for that kind of setting.
A Distant Mirror is Barbara Tuchman’s history of the calamitous 14th century (all of the usual goodies, plus the Black Death), and is well worth reading.
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calochortus Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:18:09pm |
re: #87 dragonath
The 1200s sound like they were pretty crappy.
So were the 1300s. There’s a reason Barbara Tuchman’s A Distant Mirror is subtitled “The Calamitous 14th Century”
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calochortus Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:19:03pm |
re: #89 EPR-radar
Ooh, you beat me too it! (Except it is the 14th century.)
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:19:37pm |
This might have been the reference I remembered. For some reason the date of 751 stands-out in my mind regarding bookbinding history.
In Central Asia, Islam expanded from the 7th century onward, bringing a stop to Chinese westward expansion at the Battle of Talas in 751. Further expansion of the Islamic Turks in Central Asia from the 10th century finished disrupting trade in that part of the world, and Buddhism almost disappeared. For much of the Middle Ages, the Islamic Caliphate (centred in the Near East) often had a monopoly over much of the trade conducted across the Old World (see Muslim age of discovery for more details).
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:20:03pm |
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:20:38pm |
re: #87 dragonath
The 1200s sound like they were pretty crappy.
14th century. But a good read on what you’d be dealing with.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:21:13pm |
I have all of Barbara Tuchman’s in my Audible Queue. I have to be in the right mood to listen to her tho.
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calochortus Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:22:05pm |
re: #97 FemNaziBitch
The March of Folly is well worth reading as well.
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:22:34pm |
re: #88 Dark_Falcon
Generally, Saladin was a reasonable and fair ruler, something of an anti-thesis of Reynald. THat is the reason why Saladin has such a good opinion in the West. Certainly a fighter, but not a vicious person like Reynald, or a Narcissistic Psychopath like Al-Hakim, who instigated the Crusades in the first place.
The best ruler the Muslim World has produced outside of the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him), and the rightly guided Caliphs. We wouldn’t see anybody like him again till Suleiman the Lawgiver.
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EPR-radar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:24:17pm |
re: #95 FemNaziBitch
It started bad and got worse.
To oversimplify a bit, IMO the only places and times in history where there has been sustained forward progress is when enlightenment values are firmly in place.
All other places and times in history seem to be good or bad depending mainly on the character of the rulers.
This is why I am so troubled by the fact that the RW nut jobs in the US are anti-enlightenment.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:26:26pm |
re: #99 ProTARDISLiberal
Generally, Saladin was a reasonable and fair ruler, something of an anti-thesis of Reynald. THat is the reason why Saladin has such a good opinion in the West. Certainly a fighter, but not a vicious person like Reynald, or a Narcissistic Psychopath like Al-Hakim, who instigated the Crusades in the first place.
The best ruler the Muslim World has produced outside of the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him), and the rightly guided Caliphs. We wouldn’t see anybody like him again till Suleiman the Lawgiver.
True. Saladin also killed Renald in the aftermath of Hattin. After doing so, he turned to the terrified King of Jerusalem, Guy de Lusignan, and said “A king does not kill a king, but that man’s perfidy knew no bounds”. Saladin’s words serve as the proper epitaph for Raynald de Châtillon, a rotten man who got lots of people killed.
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:28:46pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
When is such a psycho, things like this happen. Hell, that sounds a touch like the 10th Doctor. When you ticked him off, he wouldn’t hesitate to throw you to Hell.
Al-Hakim had a similar, if slightly more ill-defined fate.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:34:09pm |
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:35:04pm |
re: #103 Varek Raith
You are in good company. That’s Queen Elizabeth’s favorite Doctor.
For me, it goes in this order:
New Who:
11
9
10
Old Who:
Will get to that once I have finished going through Seasons 1-6 on DVD. Half way through 3 now, expect to be done with it this week.
Will buy Season 4 and the specials then afterwords. One to continue on, and the other because it is my birthday in the next 2 weeks.
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:36:59pm |
The RDA chat has officially surpassed 1000 viewers tonight! Wanna make it more? Stupid-person news coming up! :) live.radiodeadair.com
— David A. Scott (@DAScottJr) June 4, 2013
Go there please. Fun stupid people abound!
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:39:29pm |
First story:
Drunken Brooklyn Lawyer tossed underwear during berserk rant.
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dragonath Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:46:45pm |
re: #94 FemNaziBitch
That’s not too far from where Alexander the Great was, a thousand years before. Besides Afghanistan, that whole area is somewhat neglected in the news.
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:47:13pm |
And now naked crazy: A person running around yelling naked at Victoria Mall.
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:49:53pm |
And PTA crazy: Parents fight at Kindergarten graduation in Cleveland
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:53:19pm |
re: #110 dragonath
That’s not too far from where Alexander the Great was, a thousand years before. Besides Afghanistan, that whole area is somewhat neglected in the news.
There doesn’t seem to be any indigenous style of bookbinding from that whole part of the world. Ethiopia, India/South Asia, China-Japan/Northern Asia, Mezo America and the Mediteranian/Egypt have styles attributed to them. The Middle East and the Russia seem to have taken whatever came in trade and just used that as their examples or utilized tradesmen from other parts of the world.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:53:37pm |
re: #112 ProTARDISLiberal
And PTA crazy: Parents fight at Kindergarten graduation in Cleveland
Caption: Helicopter Collision.
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 8:55:37pm |
The story after that is just rage inducing.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:01:18pm |
re: #115 ProTARDISLiberal
The story after that is just rage inducing.
Settle down if you need to, and then tell what it is.
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:03:14pm |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
A guy in Bristol, UK trying to excuse him being caught upskirting woman.
The next story was a man molesting a door to a shop.
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ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:04:18pm |
And the last story was about the jackass who showed up to the custody hearing in Nazi Uniform.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:09:39pm |
re: #118 ProTARDISLiberal
And the last story was about the jackass who showed up to the custody hearing in Nazi Uniform.
Someone who does that ought to be barred from contact with his children, possibly for life.
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prairiefire Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:30:11pm |
re: #67 FemNaziBitch
I can’t keep the labels of the different groups of people straight thru-out history. I just know that lots of library’s and scriptoriums were burned or otherwise destroyed and IT PISSES ME OFF.
The ancient library of Alexandria.
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prairiefire Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:32:54pm |
re: #105 ProTARDISLiberal
Of course she would like a cockney looking yob.
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Bulworth Tue, Jun 4, 2013 6:30:00am |
So why are wingnuts coming to DC? Is it Family Values Conference time again? Young Americans for Fascism? Teabaggers Front of America?
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