Muslim Group’s TN Forum With FBI Disrupted by Anti-Muslim “Free Speechers”

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MANCHESTER — Hundreds of people turned out at the Manchester Convention Center Tuesday evening for an event billed as a discussion of public discourse in a diverse society, with a particular focus on the Muslim religion.

People were turned away at the door because the facility was too full. Some grew angry and started hurling terms such as “communist,” “socialist” and “Muslim” at law enforcement officials.

The indoor event, sponsored by the American Muslim Advisory Council, was countered by a large group of protesters, both outside and inside the facility. Some who made it in before admission was cut off continuously interrupted the speakers.

The interruptions were so intense at times that attendee Elaine Smith, 55, of Bedford County, said she was afraid of other audience members.

“I came here because I wanted to learn something … but I couldn’t hear because the audience was so disrespectful,” she said. “I cried when I got here. It makes me really sad especially because these people say they’re Christians. The God I worship doesn’t teach hate.”

During the keynote speech given by Bill Killian, U.S. Attorney of the Eastern District of Tennessee, audience members continually interrupted, making it difficult to understand what was said. Killian brought a PowerPoint presentation that covered the First and 14th amendments and what constitutes a hate crime, among other things. He read the First Amendment verbatim, between interruptions.

Kenneth Moore, FBI special agent in charge of the Eastern Tennessee District, took the podium after Killian.”Our presence here tonight has generated some controversy,” he said. “People think we want to step on and stifle their First Amendment rights. Nothing could be further from the truth.”

Moore said the FBI was continually working to build relationships with worshippers of Islam and other faiths because “they are essential” to keeping the country safe.

Protester Larry McIntosh, 54, of Manchester, said he was skeptical of Killian and Moore.

“I feel like (these) men are attempting to intimidate people with the freedom of speech and that bothers me,” he said. “I would like to say that Muslims have a right to live here and worship freely, but I do not think they have the right to change American law to fit Sharia law. Violence no matter where it comes from bothers me.”

More at The Tennessean.

UPDATE at 6/5/13 6:49:37 pm

One of the signs at the protest:

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1 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 2:14:42pm
Protester Larry McIntosh, 54, of Manchester, said he was skeptical of Killian and Moore.

“I feel like (these) men are attempting to intimidate people with the freedom of speech and that bothers me,” he said. “I would like to say that Muslims have a right to live here and worship freely, but I do not think they have the right to change American law to fit Sharia law. Violence no matter where it comes from bothers me.”

WTF is he talking about? Yeah, freedom of speech and other Constitutional protections are only for Real Americans™, not Muslims. When Muslims exercise their freedoms or seek protection, then it suddenly becomes intimidation/creeping Sharia.

2 Locker  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 2:41:52pm

Mr McIntosh seems to think that Muslims are trying to change American law to fit Sharia law. I wonder where he got that idea? I also wonder how that could possibly bother Christians who spend a large majority of their political capital in constant efforts to change American law to fit Christian law.

4 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 3:56:04pm

I had a rwnj tell me with a straight face that Christians are the only religious group that is persecuted in America.

5 sauceruney  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 4:03:42pm

This in TN, where Christian law is responsible for “dry counties”. If they only realized how much that fits in with the Sharia Law they fear.

6 majii  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 4:58:41pm

re: #5 sauceruney

They have serious problems with connecting their own actions/beliefs to Sharia Law, but the truth is that they have many things in common and dry counties is only one of them. They think nothing of taking away a woman’s right to have control of her own body, disenfranchising millions of their fellow Americans with claims of rampant non-existent voter fraud and voter ID laws, denying Americans a chance at earning a college degree by not giving a sh*t about student loan interest rates, privatizing K-12 education so that only certain Americans have an opportunity to graduate from high school, or of using the media to spread lies and propaganda that is meant to convince Americans that their policies/beliefs/actions/attitudes are benign, when they are not.

7 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 5:09:40pm

Sigh… That’s not that far from where I live, maybe 90 minutes or so. I find it sadly amusing (if there is such a thing) that the sign in the beginning of the video say “Speak up for Freedom”, and they confuse “Disruptive Behaviour” for “Free Speech”.

Of course the 7 Mountain Dominionists, the “No Choice” and “Don’t Say Gay” crowds aren’t trying to emplace their own rigid and sect specific religious views on a society. Oh no, they are just doing Gods Work.

RBS
When I’m appointed Benevolent Dictator of Earth things will change…

8 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 6:41:22pm

Disgusting.

9 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 6:50:46pm

Reposted from previous thread (credit to Alouette for finging this filth):

10 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 6:51:51pm
11 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 6:53:19pm

It’s funny how Pamela, who is sooo dedicated to “free speech” goes totally apeshit when someone else uses their freedom of speech to say something unflattering about her.

12 jaunte  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 6:53:37pm
During the keynote speech given by Bill Killian, US Attorney of the Eastern District of Tennessee, audience members continually interrupted, making it difficult to understand what was said.

They didn’t write it as “Freedom To Shout Down.”

13 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 6:55:50pm

These would be the same people who say people should use 2nd amendment solutions when someone tells them to shut up?

14 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:02:16pm

re: #13 Kragar

These would be the same people who say people should use 2nd amendment solutions when someone tells them to shut up?

The Bill of Rights: How does it work?

15 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:03:37pm

Freedom of Speech does not equal Freedom to Screetch

16 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:04:03pm

Republican pushes ‘license to bully’ gay and lesbian service members

Rep. John Fleming (R-LA), who proposed the amendment (PDF), said the measure would protect the religious liberties of the Armed Forces. Critics, however, alleged the amendment would make it harder for military commanders to take action against religiously-motivated harassment.

“This amendment is nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to sabotage the climate of inclusion and respect for all that our Commander-in-Chief and Secretary of Defense have called for in our military, and would create a license to bully, harass, and discriminate against service members based on religion, gender, sexual orientation, or any number of other characteristics,” Army veteran and OutServe-SLDN Executive Director Allyson Robinson said in a news release.

Fleming’s amendment would expand current “conscience protections” in the National Defense Authorization Act, which currently require the Pentagon to accommodate religious “beliefs.”

“Basically, you can believe what you believe and not be punished for it, but if your actions based on those beliefs are counter to the Uniform Code of Military Justice or counter to what’s necessary, that can be held against you,” Rep. Adam Smith (D-WA) explained last year, when the conscience protections were first added to the defense spending bill.

But Fleming’s amendment would require the Pentagon to accommodate religious “speech and actions” — not just beliefs.

Think what you like, but don’t expect your beliefs to cover your ass when you act like a criminal.

But Christians are the ones being persecuted.

17 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:04:43pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

The Bill of Rights: How does it work?

Step 1: Be born a white christian, preferably male

18 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:06:30pm

re: #15 BigPapa

Freedom of Speech does not equal Freedom to Screetch

Actually it does, but people also have the freedom to opine rudely about the screecher’s arguments, moral failings, parentage etc. etc.

That’s what really bugs the nuts.

19 EmmaAnne  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:06:59pm

I find this both sad and scary. And confusing - I don’t get where these people are coming from or what they want. Do they want Muslims to not appear in public?

20 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:07:42pm

re: #19 EmmaAnne

I find this both sad and scary. And confusing - I don’t get where these people are coming from or what they want. Do they want Muslims to not appear in public?

Yes.

21 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:07:55pm

re: #16 Kragar

This kind of crap is also being pushed in some places to gut anti-bullying measures in schools.

22 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:08:39pm

re: #18 EPR-radar

Actually it does, but people also have the freedom to opine rudely about the screecher’s arguments, moral failings, parentage etc. etc.

That’s what really bugs the nuts.

The 1st Amendment means you have freedom of speech.

It doesn’t mean people have to listen to you or give you a platform to do it.

23 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:09:20pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

This kind of crap is also being pushed in some places to gut anti-bullying measures in schools.

My beliefs teach me evangelical Christians are whiny little bitches and should be treated as such.

24 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:11:07pm

re: #19 EmmaAnne

I find this both sad and scary. And confusing - I don’t get where these people are coming from or what they want. Do they want Muslims to not appear in public?

They don’t want Muslims in this country. They see Islam as a dangerous and foreign force.

25 Lidane  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:13:28pm

re: #19 EmmaAnne

I find this both sad and scary. And confusing - I don’t get where these people are coming from or what they want. Do they want Muslims to not appear in public?

More than that. They want Muslims either deported, rounded up into internment camps, or otherwise publicly prohibited from being Muslim.

26 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:14:39pm

Not freedom of speech, it’s hate. Pure and unadulterated. Oh, & add a bucket of ignorance to it.

I really think the RWNJ’s are about to blow.

27 Lidane  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:14:43pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

They don’t want Muslims in this country. They see Islam as a dangerous and foreign force.

On a related note:

28 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:15:08pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

They don’t want Muslims in this country. They see Islam as a dangerous and foreign force.

Their hate disgusts me. TalibAmericans.

The anti Muslim haters freely dare to abuse and soil our most important principles.

29 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:15:54pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

They don’t want Muslims in this country. They see Islam as a dangerous and foreign force.

Close, they see Islam as a competitor. They much prefer when they’ve got a monopoly on the “faithful.”

30 thecommodore  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:16:11pm

Robert Spencer’s response:

jihadwatch.org

The Tennessean report, like Bill Killian and Kenneth Moore, completely ignores the genuine concern that people have about jihad and Islamic supremacist activity, and the fact that Muslim groups (aided and abetted by Obama) use claims of “hate” and “bigotry” to shut down honest discussion of how jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and supremacism. Killian and Moore expatiated at length about how “inflammatory” speech could violate civil rights laws, and how Arab and Muslim children were being taunted in school, and how Tennesseans should be more welcoming, etc. But no one was there to defend the taunting of Muslim or Arab schoolchildren. No one was there because he hated foreigners. People were there because they know that truthful and accurate exploration of Islam’s violent teachings has been deemed “inflammatory” by both Muslim groups and the Obama regime — and that leaves us unable to examine the motives and goals of jihad terrorists, or to defend ourselves adequately against them. That’s why everyone was so upset with Killian and Moore, but they were either oblivious to that fact or intent on ignoring it.

And Pamela Geller’s questions are apposite: “The enemedia supporting the suppression and restriction of free speech in America presents an interesting paradox. Are they so clueless or self-important that they think they will be spared? Didn’t the Obama administration spying on the AP and other news organizations teach them anything?” Good questions for Nicole Young to ponder.

31 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:16:14pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

They don’t want Muslims in this country. They see Islam as a dangerous and foreign force.

What a coincidence. I see the more theocratic and reactionary of the wing nuts as a dangerous and foreign force.

The US is an enlightenment construct, so being anti-enlightenment, as some of the RWNJs are, really is anti-American at a very basic level.

32 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:16:30pm

re: #27 Lidane

On a related note:

I hate to say it, but he should be blocked from doing that on National Security grounds.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

33 thecommodore  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:19:13pm

No surprise at 1:05 of the video - the woman speaking is wearing a Confederate battle flag cap.

34 allegro  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:20:19pm

If fundie christianists want to be hated and persecuted, they are going about it in the very best way.

35 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:20:38pm

re: #33 thecommodore

No surprise at 1:05 of the video - the woman speaking is wearing a Confederate battle flag cap.

If you’re proud of the Confederacy, you hate America.

36 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:20:46pm

re: #30 thecommodore

What a dingbat. Anyone who looks at these issues for more than two seconds can easily see the following:

1) Risk of a theocratic Islamist takeover in the US: 0%.

2) Risk of a theocratic Christian takeover in the US: very small, but not zero.

3) Risk of outcome #2 significantly increased by morons freaking out about the impossible #1.

37 darthstar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:22:40pm

Hey everyone…came home from work with the wife and started cooking dinner together…downloaded the complete collection of Chicago and put it on while we’re prepping and cooking. There’s so much fucking happy in this band that I don’t think I can focus on Republican retardation at the moment. Have a good time, everyone.

38 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:24:58pm

re: #33 thecommodore

No surprise at 1:05 of the video - the woman speaking is wearing a Confederate battle flag cap.

On anyone except a kid too ignorant to know better, this is a sure sign of a stupid/evil convergence.

39 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:25:14pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon


Oh no please no. May we use shunning and shaming instead of legislation? Public scorn? “Cause I’m a hard advocate for our rights to remain unmolested. As a society we have better means.

40 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:26:03pm

Sometimes you get a YouTube suggestion that is just perfect for what you’re talking about:

Youtube Video

41 AntonSirius  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:26:16pm
“I came here because I wanted to learn something … but I couldn’t hear because the audience was so disrespectful,” she said. “I cried when I got here. It makes me really sad especially because these people say they’re Christians. The God I worship doesn’t teach hate.”

God bless you, Elaine Smith, and may your vision of Christianity, and simple human decency, triumph over that of the hateful bigots that get all the attention these days.

42 allegro  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:26:21pm

re: #37 darthstar

Hey everyone…came home from work with the wife and started cooking dinner together…downloaded the complete collection of Chicago and put it on while we’re prepping and cooking. There’s so much fucking happy in this band that I don’t think I can focus on Republican retardation at the moment. Have a good time, everyone.

Excellent choice. Always one of my favorite bands.

43 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:26:40pm

Homemade Comedy:

Ask a Evangelical Southerner what should be done if a bunch of terrorists attacked a military base in the US and declared they were their own country and no longer a part of the US.

9 times out of 10, they won’t even catch it

44 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:27:57pm

re: #39 Political Atheist

Oh no please no. May we use shunning and shaming instead of legislation? Public scorn? “Cause I’m a hard advocate for our rights to remain unmolested. As a society we have better means.

Sorry, but no. Terry Jones can’t be shamed and what he’s planning to do will spark riots where real people will get killed. He’s putting everyone in danger with speech that in my mind can be suppressed as “fighting words”.

45 darthstar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:28:18pm

re: #42 allegro

Excellent choice. Always one of my favorite bands.

They’re playing at one of the wineries near us on Aug 5th…definitely splurging for VIP tix and taking the missus.

46 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:28:26pm

I’m not saying they’re the face of fascism in American, but they are wrapped in a flag and waving a Bible.

Also, that whole “rights and entitlements for my political affiliation, state-sponsored discrimination against everyone else” sounds kind of familiar. You know, partly nationalist and a little bit socialist….

But hey, it’s not like they’re fetishistically obsessed with fighting wars to enshrine their cultural superiority or something.

47 Lidane  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:30:00pm

Rebranding!

48 allegro  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:31:29pm

re: #45 darthstar

They’re playing at one of the wineries near us on Aug 5th…definitely splurging for VIP tix and taking the missus.

I haven’t seen them in years but their music is timeless. I saw them in concert a couple of times in Chicago in their early days and again down here in Houston. Awesome brass and great vocals. Never missed Cetera, as good as he is, he isn’t essential to their sound.

49 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:33:06pm

re: #47 Lidane

These people have the self-reflection capability of a lump of coal.

Do they just not get that an increasingly large fraction of the US population views movement conservatism as evil, driven mainly by this kind of theocratic crap?

50 Lidane  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:34:51pm

re: #26 Stanghazi

I really think the RWNJ’s are about to blow.

Honestly? Let them. At this point, a bunch of ignorant rednecks taking up arms against the United States is about the only thing that would shock the modern American conservative establishment out of their stupor.

At that point, they’d either see what their deliberate stoking of ignorance and bigotry for the last 40+ fucking years has done, or they’ll double down on the fail and lose all their legitimacy forever.

51 allegro  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:34:55pm

re: #49 EPR-radar

The people have the self-reflection capability of a lump of coal.

Do they just not get that an increasingly large fraction of the US population views movement conservatism as evil, driven mainly by this kind of theocratic crap?

We’re the minions of Satan, doncha know. Who knew Beelzebub was such a tolerant type?

52 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:35:32pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but no. Terry Jones can’t be shamed and what he’s planning to do will spark riots where real people will get killed. He’s putting everyone in danger with speech that in my mind can be suppressed as “fighting words”.

Fair enough. I just can’t take up the argument to encroach on the 1st and argue so strongly for the 2nd and privacy etc etc. It’s just not in me. The loss of life should compel these fools to refrain. Some, those like Terry Jones are truly deaf to reality.

53 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:37:22pm

More comedy:

What should we have done in Iraq and Afghanistan?
“Bomb them back to the stone age and take their stuff!”

What do you think of Sherman’s March?
“Total barbarity, a black mark on our history and proof of Northern Aggression!”

54 Lidane  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:37:24pm

re: #52 Political Atheist

The loss of life should compel these fools to refrain..

That’s just it — they WANT a loss of life. They’re counting on it so they can use it to prove that they’re right.

55 AntonSirius  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:38:14pm

re: #50 Lidane

Honestly? Let them. At this point, a bunch of ignorant rednecks taking up arms against the United States is about the only thing that would shock the modern American conservative establishment out of their stupor.

At that point, they’d either see what their deliberate stoking of ignorance and bigotry for the last 40+ fucking years has done, or they’ll double down on the fail and lose all their legitimacy forever.

Of course, most of them are too cowardly to actually follow through on those Second Amendment solutions they’re always nattering about.

56 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:38:35pm

Freedom of speech also includes freedom of spelling, I guess./

57 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:39:10pm

re: #56 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Freedom of speech also includes freedom of spelling, I guess./

SPELLING AND GRAMMAR ARE TOOLS OF THE TYRANT!

58 allegro  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:39:21pm

re: #54 Lidane

That’s just it — they WANT a loss of life. They’re counting on it so they can use it to prove that they’re right.

Seems to me the best way to fight them is through mockery. Everyone show up in Mickey Mouse ears or something, point and laugh.

59 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:39:25pm

re: #49 EPR-radar

The people have the self-reflection capability of a lump of coal.

Do they just not get that an increasingly large fraction of the US population views movement conservatism as evil, driven mainly by this kind of theocratic crap?

They don’t care because the objectors are Part Of The Problem. Perverts, the damned, the sinners, the socialists, the multiculturalists, and the academics. Built right into their worldview is (1) all of the above don’t count as “real Americans” and subsequently (2) don’t deserve inalienable rights or franchise.

This is why I’m not being delicate with the word fascist: this lunatic fringe—Dominionists, the hardest-core social conservatives, the nativists— are people that can only be described as holding democracy in contempt. There’s no other way to interpret what they say.

60 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:42:31pm

re: #54 Lidane

That’s just it — they WANT a loss of life. They’re counting on it so they can use it to prove that they’re right.

Or they want a court decision to ban the burnings, so they can scream about how they are being oppressed.

We are currently running a large scale experiment in the US to test the following question:

In a representative democracy, how large can the maliciously insane part of the electorate be, before the state become ungovernable?

61 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:43:32pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes you get a YouTube suggestion that is just perfect for what you’re talking about:

Have you played the game dark?

62 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:44:14pm

Ah! Just returned from my last Volunteer Advocacy Class. Start shadowing at the hospitals next week.

How are you?

63 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:44:51pm

re: #54 Lidane

That’s just it — they WANT a loss of life. They’re counting on it so they can use it to prove that they’re right.

I do not get how the “war of northern agression” meme lives on when the south fired the first shots!

64 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:45:03pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

They don’t care because the objectors are Part Of The Problem. Perverts, the damned, the sinners, the socialists, the multiculturalists, and the academics. Built right into their worldview is (1) all of the above don’t count as “real Americans” and subsequently (2) don’t deserve inalienable rights or franchise.

This is why I’m not being delicate with the word fascist: this lunatic fringe—Dominionists, the hardest-core social conservatives, the nativists— are people that can only be described as holding democracy in contempt. There’s no other way to interpret what they say.

Has anyone come up with a definite definition of fascism yet?

65 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:45:26pm

re: #47 Lidane

Tolerance of shitstains on society of like Patrick Dullard is fuckwittery, therefore tolerance of fuckwittery means you have to…

3. Profit!

66 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:45:46pm

re: #51 allegro

We’re the minions of Satan, doncha know. Who knew Beelzebub was such a tolerant type?

Not me, I’m in Lillith and Vashti’s camp.

67 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:46:30pm

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

Not me, I’m in Lillith and Vashti’s camp.

I support Crom.

68 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:47:00pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

I do not get how the “war of northern agression” meme lives on when the south fired the first shots!

Because the Northern Aggression justified the shelling of Ft. Sumter.

Simple answers to simple questions, wingnut version.

69 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:47:35pm

re: #52 Political Atheist

Fair enough. I just can’t take up the argument to encroach on the 1st and argue so strongly for the 2nd and privacy etc etc. It’s just not in me. The loss of life should compel these fools to refrain. Some, those like Terry Jones are truly deaf to reality.

Terry Jones doesn’t care who gets hurt or killed so long as his ambitions and ideology are advanced. He’s like like the Islamists he claims to fight in that way.

70 Lidane  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:47:50pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

I do not get how the “war of northern agression” meme lives on when the south fired the first shots!

Because there was a concerted effort here in the South to keep that shit alive for the last 148 years.

Lincoln was a tyrant worse than Hitler, the North were an invading army that trampled all over states that just wanted the right to continue owning and dehumanizing other human beings their freedom, and The South Will Rise Again, yee haw. :-P

71 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:48:18pm

re: #26 Stanghazi

Not freedom of speech, it’s hate. Pure and unadulterated. Oh, & add a bucket of ignorance to it.

I really think the RWNJ’s are about to blow.

the gun freak who sent the ricin was pretty scary to me.

Every gun nut should be concerned. I’m not a gun nut, but I do have respect for the right to self-defense.

72 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:49:01pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

I do not get how the “war of northern agression” meme lives on when the south fired the first shots!

“THEY MADE US DO IT!”

73 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:49:09pm

re: #67 jamesfirecat

I support Crom.

Yeah, what is his version of the afterlife?

74 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:49:39pm

re: #67 jamesfirecat

I support Crom.

I’m with a Church of Crom - Khorne reformed

75 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:50:03pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

They don’t care because the objectors are Part Of The Problem. Perverts, the damned, the sinners, the socialists, the multiculturalists, and the academics. Built right into their worldview is (1) all of the above don’t count as “real Americans” and subsequently (2) don’t deserve inalienable rights or franchise.

Whenever an extremist’s strategy fails, they always blame it on the fact that the strategy didn’t go far enough and they need to redouble their efforts. And eventually you end up with a group of people who are completely batshit crazy off the rails on the crazy train and they still think the answer is to turn it up a notch.

76 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:50:14pm

re: #73 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, what is his version of the afterlife?

Battle all day, wench and drink all night

77 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:50:46pm

re: #64 FemNaziBitch

Has anyone come up with a definite definition of fascism yet?

To the best of my knowledge, no.

I use it in the sense of “authoritarian nationalism” generally, and in its specifics in the manner described by Umberto Eco.

78 AntonSirius  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:51:00pm

re: #67 jamesfirecat

I support Crom.

I roll with Eris, because hey, why not.

79 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:51:18pm

re: #61 jamesfirecat

Have you played the game dark?

No, James. I don’t much like first-person shooter games, and the visual ups and downs of the game (especially that kind of sky rail system) are disorienting and unpleasant for me. Bioshock: Infinite is just too fast for Dark_Falcon.

80 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:51:21pm

re: #76 Kragar

Battle all day, wench and drink all night

I like Lillith and Vashti’s better.

We sit by a pool or beach in Hawaii and watch the younger cabana people serve us drinks.

81 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:51:21pm

re: #70 Lidane

Because there was a concerted effort here in the South to keep that shit alive for the last 148 years.

Lincoln was a tyrant worse than Hitler, the North were an invading army that trampled all over states that just wanted the right to continue owning and dehumanizing other human beings their freedom, and The South Will Rise Again, yee haw. :-P

Because in their reality Lincoln looks like this….

82 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:52:11pm

re: #77 The Ghost of a Flea

To the best of my knowledge, no.

I use it in the sense of “authoritarian nationalism” generally, and in its specifics in the manner described by Umberto Eco.

From his “Mysterious Flame of . .” book?

83 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:53:12pm

re: #81 jamesfirecat

Because in their reality Lincoln looks like this….

I thought he looked more like this

84 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:53:37pm

re: #82 FemNaziBitch

From his “Mysterious Flame of . .” book?

The article is Eternal Fascism: 14 Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt.

I was just digging about for a version to link to.

85 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:53:58pm

re: #64 FemNaziBitch

Has anyone come up with a definite definition of fascism yet?

See Umberto Eco. That remains the best working definition of it yet.
Edit: I see I was beaten to it. That article is important to understand. Combine it with a reading of Beevor’s Spanish Civil War book and you can see exactly where the far right is trying to take America.

86 Lidane  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:54:10pm

re: #81 jamesfirecat

Because in their reality Lincoln looks like this….

I’ve lived in Texas my entire life but the anti-Lincoln thing blows me away. The same people who call Democrats and liberals pussies and who say that Republicans are the only Real Americans will also stand there and tell you without a hint of irony that Lincoln was a genocidal tyrant that was WORSE THAN HITLER ZOMG.

It’s insane.

87 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:55:06pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

No, James. I don’t much like first-person shooter games, and the visual ups and downs of the game (especially that kind of sky rail system) are disorienting and unpleasant for me. Bioshock: Infinite is just too fast for Dark_Falcon.

Try watching a lets play of it sometime, I would be interested in hearing your thoguhts on the messages present in the game though I find it sort of toothless when it comes to its political commentary though since it features a bunch of deeply religious racist secessionists who worship the founding fathers and who are lead by a northern Neo-confederate (who would have been all of 11 when the civil war ended) in a society that is strangely progressive on sexual issues…it mixes and matches too many different things to come across as an effective parody/warning/deconstruction of what America could be.

88 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:55:43pm

My personal Favorite Abraham Lincoln song:

Youtube Video

89 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:56:26pm

re: #84 The Ghost of a Flea

The article is Eternal Fascism: 14 Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt.

I was just digging about for a version to link to.

Yes, I remember that, now that you refreshed my memory!

90 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:02:48pm

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Try watching a lets play of it sometime, I would be interested in hearing your thoguhts on the messages present in the game though I find it sort of toothless when it comes to its political commentary though since it features a bunch of racist secessionists who are lead by a northern Neo-confederate (who would have been all of 11 when the civil war ended) in a society that is strangely progressive on sexist issues…it mixes and matches too many different things to come across as an effective parody/warning of what America could be.

Well, in fairness it is set in 1912, when many of those issues existed in a different form than they do now. At that time, the Civil War was still very much within living memory.

I wonder if the date is also a swipe at Walt Disney, who set a good number of movies in the years immediately preceding World War I.

91 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:06:14pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Well, in fairness it is set in 1912, when many of those issues existed in a different form than they do now. At that time, the Civil War was still very much within living memory.

I wonder if the date is also a swipe at Walt Disney, who set a good number of movies in the years immediately preceding World War I.

But if they set it in that time period, why not have the villains be mysgonist pigs, instiltutionalized mysgoiny is a problem that America is still grappling with today it was even worse back in 1912 and should in theory be even worse than that among people who like the Columbians who are so close minded. But no, they decided to make them so progressive on sexual issues that they do not have a problem with not just women working, but female police officers… It feels so out of place.

92 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:12:33pm

re: #91 jamesfirecat

But if they set it in that time period, why not have the villains be mysgonist pigs, instiltutionalized mysgoiny is a problem that America is still grappling with today it was even worse back in 1912 and should in theory be even worse than that among people who like the Columbians who are so close minded. But no, they decided to make them so progressive on sexual issues that they do not have a problem with not just women working, but female police officers… It feels so out of place.

If you think about it, it’s not that absurd. You’re talking about a city with a limited population, which means everybody pulling their weight. But the misogyny is still there, such as if you listen to the recording from the little girl to Rosalind Luetece, where the girl states that her mother feels that the sciences are no place for a lady.

93 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:15:08pm
94 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:16:31pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

If you think about it, it’s not that absurd. You’re talking about a city with a limited population, which means everybody pulling their weight. But the misogyny is still there, such as if you listen to the recording from the little girl to Rosalind Luetece, where the girl states that her mother feels that the sciences are no place for a lady.

Except the “everybody pulling their weight” thing is not born out by what we see in the larger context of the game.

If there was so much work to be done that women had to get involved doing it like in WW2 then you would not see people in Finkton having to attack each other over the chance for having ANY kind of job to do.

The misogyny is present somewhat, but nowhere to the degree that you would expect it to be I mean the “scientist is not a proper job for a lady” is something I could still expect to hear in some places today, not in a theocratic version of America in 1912!

95 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:16:46pm

Do I see… PINK?

96 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:19:24pm

re: #95 Gus

Do I see… PINK?

Off the plank with ye!

97 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:22:01pm

re: #89 FemNaziBitch

Yes, I remember that, now that you refreshed my memory!

Speaking of memory refreshing, remember that quote about feminism I asked you about, and you couldn’t find the image of it? Well, through, Google-Fu, I finally tracked it down :)

Image: tumblr_mn243g5fls1qgu9k8o1_1280.jpg

(this is the quote, but not the picture you posted, which I think looked more like your CafePress stuff)

98 Mattand  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:22:29pm

Speaking of Tennessee:

Anybody watching The Daily Show right now? Specifically, did you see the segment with Jessica Williams talking about Tennessee’s answer to Obamacare?

They’re holding a lottery. 2500 lucky residents out of 300,000 uninsured will be chosen to get health insurance. The rest can apparently go fuck themselves and die in a corner.

I shit you not.

Seriously, smoke a joint or have a stiff drink before you see this. If conservatives regain control of this country the way they did from 2001 to 2007, we’re done for.

99 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:24:21pm

re: #98 Mattand

Speaking of Tennessee:

Anybody watching The Daily Show right now? Specifically, did you see the segment with Jessica Williams talking about Tennessee’s answer to Obamacare?

They’re holding a lottery. 2500 lucky residents out of 300,000 uninsured will be chosen to get health insurance. The rest can apparently go fuck themselves and die in a corner.

I shit you not.

Seriously, smoke a joint or have a stiff drink before you see this. If conservatives regain control of this country the way they did from 2001 to 2007, we’re done for.

WTF.

100 Mattand  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:25:01pm

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Try watching a lets play of it sometime, I would be interested in hearing your thoguhts on the messages present in the game though I find it sort of toothless when it comes to its political commentary though since it features a bunch of deeply religious racist secessionists who worship the founding fathers and who are lead by a northern Neo-confederate (who would have been all of 11 when the civil war ended) in a society that is strangely progressive on sexual issues…it mixes and matches too many different things to come across as an effective parody/warning/deconstruction of what America could be.

Yeah, that sounds about right. I’m almost done with the game, but the themes they’re trying to touch on don’t gel.

101 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:25:20pm

re: #98 Mattand

They’re holding a lottery. 2500 lucky residents out of 300,000 uninsured will be chosen to get health insurance. The rest can apparently go fuck themselves and die in a corner.

The Hunger Health Care Games.

102 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:25:26pm

re: #94 jamesfirecat

Except the “everybody pulling their weight” thing is not born out by what we see in the larger context of the game.

If there was so much work to be done that women had to get involved doing them like in WW2 then you would not see people in Finkton having to attack each other over the chance for having ANY kind of job to do.

The misogyny is present somewhat, but nowhere to the degree that you would expect it to be I mean the “scientist is not a proper job for a lady” is something I could still expect to hear in some places today, not in a theocratic version of America in 1912!

One thing you have to also take into consideration is that Columbia has been, for better or worse, culturally isolated from the mainland US for a decade by the time Booker shows up. The argument could be made that societies can’t change all that much in a decade, but stop and consider how far the US has changed since 2002. For example, in 2002 the idea that the US would be a supreme court case away from legalizing gay marriage, that homosexuals could serve openly in the military, or that we’d have a black president might have seemed unreal.

103 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:25:42pm

re: #93 Gus

That is awesome!

104 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:26:40pm

re: #93 Gus

lol

105 Mattand  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:27:02pm

re: #99 Varek Raith

WTF.

Seriously, you have to watch it. I will not be surprised if Charles or someone else post/pages this tomorrow. The only thing I’m trying to keep in mind is that maybe The Daily Show comedy-ed up the narrative.

Then again, The Daily Show generally does better journalism than the 24/7 news channels.

106 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:27:20pm

re: #97 Interesting Times

Speaking of memory refreshing, remember that quote about feminism I asked you about, and you couldn’t find the image of it? Well, through, Google-Fu, I finally tracked it down :)

Image: tumblr_mn243g5fls1qgu9k8o1_1280.jpg

(this is the quote, but not the picture you posted, which I think looked more like your CafePress stuff)

I have no memory of that, but ‘tis EXCELLELNT. I may have to make one of my own.

107 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:28:11pm

re: #98 Mattand

Speaking of Tennessee:

Anybody watching The Daily Show right now? Specifically, did you see the segment with Jessica Williams talking about Tennessee’s answer to Obamacare?

They’re holding a lottery. 2500 lucky residents out of 300,000 uninsured will be chosen to get health insurance. The rest can apparently go fuck themselves and die in a corner.

I shit you not.

Seriously, smoke a joint or have a stiff drink before you see this. If conservatives regain control of this country the way they did from 2001 to 2007, we’re done for.

I neither drink or smoke joints anymore (sob). So, I guess I just won’t watch it.

108 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:28:19pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

One thing you have to also take into consideration is that Columbia has been, for better or worse, culturally isolated from the mainland US for a decade by the time Booker shows up. The argument could be made that societies can’t change all that much in a decade, but stop and consider how far the US has changed since 2002. For example, in 2002 the idea that the US would be a supreme court case away from legalizing gay marriage, that homosexuals could serve openly in the military, or that we’d have a black president might have seemed unreal.

But what is the impetus that is causing Columbia to become shockingly liberal on the issue of women in the work force to the point that they are allowing women to serve as police officers?

Yes I know Comstock is grooming his daughter to take over for him, but it is not as if women have not ever managed to rule effectively in extremely mysogistic based societies before so I do not get why Columbia should be liberal on this issue? It would be a much more effective satire/deconstruction of America if it was aggressive mysogistic in the same way it is aggressively racist.

109 EPR-radar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:29:39pm

re: #98 Mattand

The description of US movement conservatives as a death cult gets harder and harder to avoid…

110 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:29:50pm

re: #108 jamesfirecat

But what is the impetus that is causing Columbia to become shockingly liberal on the issue of women in the work force to the point that they are allowing women to serve as police officers?

Yes I know Comstock is grooming his daughter to take over for him, but it is not as if women have not ever managed to rule effectively in extremely mysogistic based societies before so I do not get why Columbia should be liberal on this issue? It would be a much more effective satire/deconstruction of America if it was aggressive mysogistic in the same way it is aggressively racist.

Are you guys talking about a video game?

111 Lidane  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:30:46pm

re: #98 Mattand

Speaking of Tennessee:

Anybody watching The Daily Show right now? Specifically, did you see the segment with Jessica Williams talking about Tennessee’s answer to Obamacare?

They’re holding a lottery. 2500 lucky residents out of 300,000 uninsured will be chosen to get health insurance. The rest can apparently go fuck themselves and die in a corner.

I shit you not.

Seriously, smoke a joint or have a stiff drink before you see this. If conservatives regain control of this country the way they did from 2001 to 2007, we’re done for.

It’s worse than a lottery. It’s basically health care by call-in contest:

Tennessee Race for Medicaid: Dial Fast and Try, Try Again

NASHVILLE — Two nights a year, Tennessee holds a health care lottery of sorts, giving the medically desperate a chance to get help.

.State residents who have high medical bills but would not normally qualify for Medicaid, the government health care program for the poor, can call a state phone line and request an application. But the window is tight — the line shuts down after 2,500 calls, typically within an hour — and the demand is so high that it is difficult to get through.

There are other hurdles, too. Applicants have to be elderly, blind, disabled or the “caretaker relative” of a child who qualifies for Medicaid, known here as TennCare. Their medical debt has to be high enough that if they paid it, their income would fall below a certain threshold. Not many people end up qualifying, but that does not stop thousands from trying.

Modern conservatism in action. Throw a few scraps to the poor and desperate and let the rest go fuck themselves.

112 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:30:52pm

re: #100 Mattand

Yeah, that sounds about right. I’m almost done with the game, but the themes they’re trying to touch on don’t gel.

If the founders are suppose to be a mockery of what the dominist aspect of the Conservative party would be like if they got control, it would work much better if they were openly misoginistic and Comstock was a president one who can run for as many terms as he wants since this is before FDR) with a rubber stamping cabinet /congress and judges who vote his way, since it would line up with the way that they are passing laws that make it harder for people they do not like to vote rather than simply having him be a tyrant.

113 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:31:10pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

Are you guys talking about a video game?

Bioshock infinite.

Columbia is the name of a floating city that was created in the games version of history that seceded from America after essentially leveling Peeking as a response to the Boxer Rebellion and is now run by religious crazy pants racists.

114 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:31:37pm

re: #113 jamesfirecat

Bioshock infinite.

huh?

Ok, I googled it.

nevermind

115 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:33:48pm

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

I have no memory of that, but ‘tis EXCELLELNT. I may have to make one of my own.

Just did a Google Image Search for “feminism has fought no wars”, and this came up:

p.twimg.com

It does look vaguely familiar, so maybe this is the one you posted originally (unless I’m mistaken and someone else here posted it)

116 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:35:43pm

re: #115 Interesting Times

Just did a Google Image Search for “feminism has fought no wars”, and this came up:

p.twimg.com

It does look vaguely familiar, so maybe this is the one you posted originally (unless I’m mistaken and someone else here posted it)

No, doesn’t ring a bell either.

I seem to have misplaced a month or two of my work, so something like that could be in there. I checked my fb albumns and it’s not there either. I usually publish everything on fb too.

It’s a mystery.

117 Mattand  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:36:21pm

re: #111 Lidane

It’s worse than a lottery. It’s basically health care by call-in contest:

Tennessee Race for Medicaid: Dial Fast and Try, Try Again

Modern conservatism in action. Throw a few scraps to the poor and desperate and let the rest go fuck themselves.

I’m still trying to process what I saw on TDS. It really is the Republican-run Tennessee state government saying, “We’d just as soon see you folks dead rather than work with Obama on healthcare.”

118 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:40:42pm

Is the TN Lottery thing this?

119 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:41:19pm

re: #112 jamesfirecat

If the founders are suppose to be a mockery of what the dominist aspect of the Conservative party would be like if they got control, it would work much better if they were openly misoginistic and Comstock was a president one who can run for as many terms as he wants since this is before FDR) with a rubber stamping cabinet /congress and judges who vote his way, since it would line up with the way that they are passing laws that make it harder for people they do not like to vote rather than simply having him be a tyrant.

It way also be that the designers wanted to focus in on a few issues and avoid branching out too far. Even if such an approach isn’t the most accurate, the focus can help people think.

120 Mattand  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:42:33pm

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

Is the TN Lottery thing this?

That’s the one.

Stuff like this makes me ashamed to be an American at times.

121 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:43:06pm

re: #117 Mattand

I’m still trying to process what I saw on TDS. It really is the Republican-run Tennessee state government saying, “We’d just as soon see you folks dead rather than work with Obama on healthcare.”

The freedomworks spokesdouche in that episode was a smarmy creep, which seems to be a prerequisite for “young” republican males these days (*cough* ben shapiro *cough*)

122 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:43:09pm

re: #108 jamesfirecat

But what is the impetus that is causing Columbia to become shockingly liberal on the issue of women in the work force to the point that they are allowing women to serve as police officers?

Yes I know Comstock is grooming his daughter to take over for him, but it is not as if women have not ever managed to rule effectively in extremely mysogistic based societies before so I do not get why Columbia should be liberal on this issue? It would be a much more effective satire/deconstruction of America if it was aggressive mysogistic in the same way it is aggressively racist.

That’s a bit like saying Bioshock would have been a more effective satire of Ayn Rand if the plotline had been more obviously a warped version of Atlas Shrugged.

123 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:43:38pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

It way also be that the designers wanted to focus in on a few issues and avoid branching out too far. Even if such an approach isn’t the most accurate, the focus can help people think.

Honestly I feel that small little changes like that would actually be MORE likely to make people think. Instead of the lesson being “religious dictators are bad” (hold onto your seats folks its not like we’ve ever seen any proof of that either in Bioshock 2 or in real life!) it could serve as a dramatic warning about the dangers of a democracy being transformed into a one party state where simply having votes and elected officials no longer guarantees anthig like a fair or just society.

124 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:48:14pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

That’s a bit like saying Bioshock would have been a more effective satire of Ayn Rand if the plotline had been more obviously a warped version of Atlas Shrugged.

The plot line of bioshock is rich people take their ball and go home after making a new “home” away from all existing governments. How is this not a warped version of Atlas Shrugged?


The problem is that Columbia comes across as more of a standard crazy pants nation run by a single religious leader who has complete control than a dark version of America/a satire/warning of what we might become.

125 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:48:27pm

re: #123 jamesfirecat

Hnestly I feel that small little changes like that would actually be MORE likely to make people think. Instead of the lesson being “religious dictators are bad” (hold onto your seats folks its not like we’ve ever seen any proof of that either in Bioshock 2 or in real life!) it could serve as a dramatic warning about the dangers of a democracy being transformed into a one party state where simply having votes and elected officials no longer guarantees anthig like a fair or just society.

Yet it’s not a little change. With such rampant misogyny, you’d have to explain story elements like how a woman, even one so obviously brilliant as Rosalind Leutece, could be so accepted that they’d put up a statue in her honor. Or how Columbia would begin to accept a woman, even if she was Comstock’s heir, as the future ruler of Columbia. Not to mention that you’d have a hard time explaining the religious worship of Lady Comstock or Columbia instead of Uncle Sam in such a society.

126 jaunte  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:50:50pm

re: #121 Interesting Times

The freedomworks spokesdouche in that episode was a smarmy creep, which seems to be a prerequisite for “young” republican males these days (*cough* ben shapiro *cough*)

Matt Kibbe:
en.wikipedia.org

127 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:51:01pm

re: #124 jamesfirecat

The plot line of bioshock is rich people take their ball and go home after making a new “home” away from all existing governments. How is this not a warped version of Atlas Shrugged?

The problem is that Columbia comes across as more of a standard crazy pants nation run by a single religious leader who has complete control than a dark version of America/a satire/warning of what we might become.

Was the creator’s intention to make Columbia a dark version of America as a warning or to deconstruct themes and ideologies such as religious nationalism, which Columbia certainly has in spades.

128 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:52:53pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

Yet it’s not a little change. With such rampant misogyny, you’d have to explain story elements like how a woman, even one so obviously brilliant as Rosalind Leutece, could be so accepted that they’d put up a statue in her honor. Or how Columbia would begin to accept a woman, even if she was Comstock’s heir, as the future ruler of Columbia. Not to mention that you’d have a hard time explaining the religious worship of Lady Comstock or Columbia instead of Uncle Sam in such a society.

My counter point is Queen Victoria as an example of a woman who ran a nation that had a noticeable misoginistic bent at the time. Also as Elizabeth is a mirical child she is above the standard rules on gender. Lady Comstock can be venerated as being the perfect woman for how she sacrificed for her husband without ever needing to have her “leave the kitchen” so to speak. Have Robert instead of Rosalind be the Leutece who is native to the Columbia universe and as for worshiping Columbia, rember it is the angel Columbia and angels are once again above the standard rules on gender that humans have.

129 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:52:56pm

re: #126 jaunte

Matt Kibbe:
en.wikipedia.org

He lists being a Greatful Dead fan as part of his Personal Life?

No kids, no education, no background?

130 palomino  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:52:57pm

Not to paint with too broad a brush, but the cultural impulses that motivate the crowd here are quite similar to the ones that motivate the reactionaries who populate the tea party.

The townhall forum is great in theory. But whoever thought this town hall forum would work should have looked at two things: first, the townhalls from 2009-2010 when similar groups of old, white conservative, largely southern “patriots” freaked out over the mere attempt to expand health care in the US.

Second, the specific history of Tenn. in recent years. It’s been a hotbed of anti-Muslim activity. Everything from vandalism of mosques, to blatantly unconstitutional state and local legislation preventing construction of Muslim community centers, to the obligatory abolition of something that doesn’t exist—sharia courts of law. For a variety of reasons, Tenn. is in the vanguard of the xenophobic response to American Muslims. A very dubious distinction.

131 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:55:11pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

Was the creator’s intention to make Columbia a dark version of America as a warning or to deconstruct themes and ideologies such as religious nationalism, which Columbia certainly has in spades.

Fair enough, I just feel that a deconstruction of America as a whole would be more interesting than one simply of religious nationalism.

132 jaunte  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:55:50pm

re: #129 FemNaziBitch

He’s also a taxpayer-subsidized teapartier:

Kibbe makes $321,000 per year, which, like Armey’s salary, is split between FreedomWorks Inc., a 501(c)(4) “social welfare” organization, and FreedomWorks Foundation, a 501(c)(3), which holds the same tax status as a charity or nonprofit hospital.huffingtonpost.com

133 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:56:11pm

re: #126 jaunte

Matt Kibbe:
en.wikipedia.org

Robotarian Kibbe 2000™

134 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:56:49pm

re: #131 jamesfirecat

Fair enough, I just feel that a deconstruction of America as a whole would be more interesting than one simply of religious nationalism.

Maybe, but the designers went a different way.

135 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 8:59:11pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Maybe, but the designers went a different way.

And I find their way to be rather disjointed and milquetoast compared to what they could have accomplished. Though I suppose the more they erred towards making Coumbia a dark mirror of Anerica or at least aspects of America (say by making it noticeably misoginistic as well) the more likely they would be to hit “too close to home” for some people.

136 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:00:42pm

The NSA knows where you buy your porn.

137 jaunte  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:00:48pm

The new phone books are here.
They know where I am.

138 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:02:45pm

Would like to opt out of our marketing data?

139 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:02:50pm

re: #131 jamesfirecat

Fair enough, I just feel that a deconstruction of America as a whole would be more interesting than one simply of religious nationalism.

Well I’ll help put your mind at rest, Ken Levine is on record as saying that the theme that was being deconstructed in Bioshock Infinite was “American exceptionalism,” which is just as much a theme of the time period the game takes place as it is today.

140 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:02:51pm

re: #136 Gus

The NSA knows where you buy your porn.

Buy? Who buys porn?

141 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:03:27pm

Breaking. NSA is still doing what it was doing yesterday. And the day before. And the day before.

142 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:03:52pm

re: #140 GeneJockey

Buy? Who buys porn?

People still buy porn?

143 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:03:53pm

re: #136 Gus

The NSA knows where you buy your porn.

HA! I don’t pay for porn!

144 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:04:14pm

re: #140 GeneJockey

Buy? Who buys porn?

ISP track and boom! Gotcha. //

145 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:04:58pm

re: #143 Kragar

HA! I don’t pay for porn!

But you buy your internet! [Dobro slide.]

146 jaunte  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:06:53pm

Too many people believed the song “Copperhead Road” was nonfiction.

147 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:07:00pm

re: #145 Gus

But you buy your internet! [Dobro slide.]

Don’t be silly.

148 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:08:26pm

re: #145 Gus

But you buy your internet! [Dobro slide.]

Ha! I’m behind 7 proxies. I can’t be tracked.

149 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:08:57pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

Well I’ll help put your mind at rest, Ken Levine is on record as saying that the theme that was being deconstructed in Bioshock Infinite was “American exceptionalism,” which is just as much a theme of the time period the game takes place as it is today.

But it falls flat on its face or at least fails to hit home, because what makes American Eceptionaism scary is the way that it warps the world around it on a global scale (like the invasion of Iraq) whereas Columbia is more or less a generic doomsday villain of a nation that wants to wipe out all other nations because they are sinful.


The entire “I am here from America to help…” Aspect of a giant so mighty it can not see that it crushes those it tries to comfort is far more interesting in my opinion.

150 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:09:20pm

re: #147 Kragar

Don’t be silly.

I’m joking about the Greenwald/Guardian/NSA metadata news today. The government can track who you call daily. Namely a court order, secret, signed by a FISA judge. So, I make joke about government tracking where you buy your porn.

151 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:10:52pm

Some of the twitter response to the Verizon huff is pretty damn funny.

152 jaunte  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:14:49pm
153 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:15:18pm
154 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:17:16pm

re: #149 jamesfirecat

But it falls flat on its face or at least fails to hit home, because what makes American Eceptionaism scary is the way that it warps the world around it on a global scale (like the invasion of Iraq) whereas Columbia is more or less a generic doomsday villain of a nation that wants to wipe out all other nations because they are sinful.

The entire “I am here from America to help…” Aspect of a giant so mighty it can not see that it crushes those it tries to comfort is far more interesting in my opinion.

True, but that aspect would be far more complex to simulate and would have exposed the game’s makers to far more hostile commentary. Many of those right-of-center, likely including me, would have treated the game as an example of ‘Blaming America First’ and dismissed it accordingly.

Moreover, there is again the matter of time setting. America was not a superpower back in 1912. Germany and the UK had larger navies than we did and many European nations had larger armies. The US could not be depicted as that kind of giant in 1912, even through the plot device of Columbia.

156 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:19:21pm

Pulls out banjo. Starts playing banjo music. FISA, was originally written by Ted Kennedy. It was signed into law, in 1978, by President, Jimmy, Carter.

157 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:19:56pm

re: #155 Kragar

Jon Stewart piercingly mocks Chris Christie’s nakedly political special election decision

I don’t agree. I think this special election opens up a huge opportunity for Cory Booker.

158 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:21:06pm

re: #155 Kragar

Jon Stewart piercingly mocks Chris Christie’s nakedly political special election decision

It was still smart: Christie found a way to avoid litigation by the Democrats and still kept the Senate race off of the ballot he’ll be on. That was both clever and wise, IMO.

159 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:21:44pm

re: #149 jamesfirecat

But it falls flat on its face or at least fails to hit home, because what makes American Eceptionaism scary is the way that it warps the world around it on a global scale (like the invasion of Iraq) whereas Columbia is more or less a generic doomsday villain of a nation that wants to wipe out all other nations because they are sinful.

The entire “I am here from America to help…” Aspect of a giant so mighty it can not see that it crushes those it tries to comfort is far more interesting in my opinion.

Yet that’s just one aspect of American exceptionalism, one that is played out in the prophecies of Columbia burning “the Sodom below.” Other aspects show up pretty clearly, such as the idea that America is unique and thus better than other nations, to the point that Columbia actually believes itself superior to America. There’s the fanatical worship of the Founders, who are viewed as having given America gifts that no other nation has received.

160 EmmaAnne  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:22:08pm

re: #64 FemNaziBitch

Has anyone come up with a definite definition of fascism yet?

David Neiwert had some pretty interesting post about it a few years back.

dneiwert.blogspot.com

161 jaunte  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:22:09pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

It does seem rather expensive.

162 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:24:36pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

It was still smart: Christie found a way to avoid litigation by the Democrats and still kept the Senate race off of the ballot he’ll be on. That was both clever and wise, IMO.

It’s an expensive and self-serving decision.

163 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:25:10pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

It was still smart: Christie found a way to avoid litigation by the Democrats and still kept the Senate race off of the ballot he’ll be on. That was both clever and wise, IMO.

The left is complaining. The right is complaining. I will join neither. Christie made the right decision here. It now opens an incredible opportunity for Cory Booker.

164 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:25:19pm

nytol

165 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:28:17pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

True, but that aspect would be far more complex to simulate and would have exposed the game’s makers to far more hostile commentary. Many of those right-of-center, likely including me, would have treated the game as an example of ‘Blaming America First’ and dismissed it accordingly.

Moreover, there is again the matter of time setting. America was not a superpower back in 1912. Germany and the UK had larger navies than we did and many European nations had larger armies. The US could not be depicted as that kind of giant in 1912, even through the plot device of Columbia.

I agree it is almost impossible to properly stimulate that sort of issue and it would be whole hartedly unhistorical to depict it in a 1912 setting.


Which I suppose brings me back around to my original complaint/request, the Founders should have maintained/played up the mysgony of the time period. It would feel more accurate to the setting and also make them a more accurate commentary without inviting undue backlash as I don’t think there are many people out there who defend mysgony other than obviously its practitioners.

166 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:33:02pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

Yet that’s just one aspect of American exceptionalism, one that is played out in the prophecies of Columbia burning “the Sodom below.” Other aspects show up pretty clearly, such as the idea that America is unique and thus better than other nations, to the point that Columbia actually believes itself superior to America. There’s the fanatical worship of the Founders, who are viewed as having given America gifts that no other nation has received.

I guess the problem for me is that any aspects /traces of American exceptionalism I personally have are tied into the fact that we were one of the englightenment period’s first major democratic countries which managed to operate democratic/republican style of government on a huge scale and actually managed to make it work despite having parts of the country that effectively hated other parts of the county’s guts.

Thus the complacency with which Columbia has abandoned any pretext at democracy divorces it from being an accurate depiction of the horrors of MY vision of American Exceptionalism.

Which I suppose/admit is more a problem with 2k / irrational not reading my mind/catering directly to me than the final product I general.

167 Occam's Guillotine  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:36:06pm

Wow! Hell of a storm here in Lubbock tonight, starting with high winds, then dust, and an incredible electrical storm. Gusts to 84 mph, steady at 60. A motel has collapsed on the Interstate and there are a number of injuries. Power is out, I’m on emergency power (my inverter connected to our diesel work truck). No damage here at my house but a lot of debris, leaves, shingles, etc. blowing around.
The wind was unbelievable, strongest I have seen since I was in a typhoon in Japan many years ago.

168 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:37:11pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

It’s an expensive and self-serving decision.

True, but that doesn’t mean anything politically, because it gives both parties what they want:

The Democrats get to retain the inside track on the vacated Senate seat.

The Republicans keep Corey Booker off of the same ticket as Chris Christie. Christie also does not have to worry about being on the same ballot as a Tea Party wackadoo, which has happened a few times in recent elections.

Thus the offices held by the respective parties are more secure. And in that the decision accomplishes its intended purpose of incumbent protection.

169 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:41:37pm

Anyway, long story short (actually jumping to something fairly unrelated) clearly the next Bioshock game needs to be set in some sort of underground city that a pryamid has been transformed into in Egypt in the 1920’s /1930’s with the subject of the game being British Imperialism/colonization because that way sooner or later everyone gets to have a turn!

170 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:43:13pm

re: #169 jamesfirecat

Anyway, long story short (actually jumping to something fairly unrelated) clearly the next Bioshock game needs to be set in some sort of underground city that a pryamid has been transformed into in Egypt in the 1920’s /1930’s with the subject of the game being British Imperialism/colonization because that way sooner or later everyone gets to have a turn!

That would lessen its appeal in the US, by a lot. America mostly wants to hear about itself, a game whose topic is a foreign nation would not appeal to many here.

171 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:44:32pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

That would lessen its appeal in the US, by a lot. America mostly wants to hear about itself, a game whose topic is a foreign nation would not appeal to many here.

I’m going to disagree here; most gamers don’t give two figs about the location as long as the game is done by a developer they trust to put out good games.

172 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:45:24pm

re: #166 jamesfirecat

I guess the problem for me is that any aspects /traces of American exceptionalism I personally have are tied into the fact that we were one of the englightenment period’s first major democratic countries which managed to operate democratic/republican style of government on a huge scale and actually managed to make it work despite having parts of the country that effectively hated other parts of the county’s guts.

Thus the complacency with which Columbia has abandoned any pretext at democracy divorces it from being an accurate depiction of the horrors of MY vision of American Exceptionalism.

Which I suppose/admit is more a problem with 2k / irrational not reading my mind/catering directly to me than the final product I general.

Yet how does one really abandon something that they didn’t have in the first place? Comstock never stood for election, he was essentially appointed to his position by virtue of being the mastermind behind Columbia’s creation. And there’s no indication that there was ever an election in the city’s history or any sort of government besides Comstock. And he’s established a cult of personality that’s kept him in power by virtue of being “Our Prophet.” If anything, they probably feel hostility towards the idea of democracy on account of the US gov’t ordering them to stand down in the aftermath of the Battle of Peking.

173 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:46:33pm

My daughter walks by, “are you listening to pink?” Fuck!

/A friend linked it on IRC, it was auto play! It’s not my fault!

174 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:46:33pm

re: #169 jamesfirecat

Anyway, long story short (actually jumping to something fairly unrelated) clearly the next Bioshock game needs to be set in some sort of underground city that a pryamid has been transformed into in Egypt in the 1920’s /1930’s with the subject of the game being British Imperialism/colonization because that way sooner or later everyone gets to have a turn!

Heart of Darkness: the FPS

175 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:46:44pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

That would lessen its appeal in the US, by a lot. America mostly wants to hear about itself, a game whose topic is a foreign nation would not appeal to many here.

Bioshock is by this point a 2/3 game series whose products tend to be seen as the best game of whatever year they come out. If the American market for Bioshock games can survive Bioshock Infinite a game with some of America’s sacred cows squarely in its crosshairs, then the brand will not be significantly weakened by having games that have next to nothing to do with America, after all Bioshock 1 and 2 had nothing to do with America or any identifiable country and yet that hurt their sales not a bit that I could see,

176 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:47:32pm

re: #174 The Ghost of a Flea

Heart of Darkness: the FPS

Sorry Spec Ops the Line already did that.

177 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:47:42pm

re: #173 Single-handed sailor

My daughter walks by, “are you listening to pink?” Fuck!

/A friend linked it on IRC, it was auto play! It’s not my fault!

Busted!
/

178 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:48:50pm

Black Flag - Six Pack

Youtube Video

179 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:51:08pm

re: #178 Gus

Black Flag - Six Pack

Misfits - Attitude

Youtube Video

180 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:52:37pm

re: #176 jamesfirecat

Sorry Spec Ops the Line already did that.

Well, if you wanted to do a US experiment in colonialism, look at Hawaii. Or Puerto Rico. Or the Philippines.

Or use a fictionalized version of a setting like Fordlandia

181 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:53:53pm

re: #176 jamesfirecat

Sorry Spec Ops the Line already did that.

I would have said Far Cry 3.

182 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:55:55pm

re: #180 The Ghost of a Flea

Well, if you wanted to do a US experiment in colonialism, look at Hawaii. Or Puerto Rico. Or the Philippines.

Or use a fictionalized version of a setting like Fordlandia

The US already got its tail tweaked by Bioshock Infinite, if the next game is associated with any country (as opposed to not being like the first one was) it should be some other country, we have already seen the stereotypical French Revolutionary problems in Bioshock Infinite as well this is why I suggest British Colonialism instead.

183 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:55:59pm

re: #135 jamesfirecat

And I find their way to be rather disjointed and milquetoast compared to what they could have accomplished. Though I suppose the more they erred towards making Coumbia a dark mirror of Anerica or at least aspects of America (say by making it noticeably misoginistic as well) the more likely they would be to hit “too close to home” for some people.

When you distill down the entire series you’re pretty much left with the conflict between those in power and those being exploited. Given the time frame there’s nothing particularly american about tossing in misogyny, since that was endemic in virtually every other country and culture, and in many cases still is (I’m looking at you Japan.)

Every Bioshock game seems to examine class conflict through one primary theme, objectivism in one, communism / utopian totalitarianism in two, and racial / religious conservatism in infinite. I think you’re looking at a lot of examples of American jingoism in infinite and thinking there should be more of a generalized critique of America per se going on, when each game has only really ever been about a facet of modern inequality. Bearing this in mind, if the game is going to borrow from the american experience it makes more sense to focus on race, since as an immigrant nation that fought a civil war over racial equality our identity is kind of intrinsically wrapped up in that struggle.

184 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:57:15pm

I propose a survival horror game set on an island where the player has to battle the 7 deadly sins.

I call it… GILLIGAN’S ISLE!

185 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:57:45pm

re: #184 Kragar

I propose a survival horror game set on an island where the player has to battle the 7 deadly sins.

I call it… GILLIGAN’S ISLE!

I call sloth.

//

186 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:58:27pm

re: #185 klys and whatnot

I call sloth.

//

Fuck you I’m an ant eater!

//

187 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:58:29pm

re: #185 klys and whatnot

I call sloth.

//

OK, you can be Mrs. Howell if you really want to.

188 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:59:14pm

re: #184 Kragar

I propose a survival horror game set on an island where the player has to battle the 7 deadly sins.

I call it… GILLIGAN’S ISLE!

Bah, I say we set a zombie game on that island. We’ll call it “Dead Island”…wait, that’s a terrible idea.

//

189 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:59:18pm

re: #184 Kragar

I propose a survival horror game set on an island where the player has to battle the 7 deadly sins.

I call it… GILLIGAN’S ISLE!

Also already done…

190 klys and whatnot  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:59:35pm

re: #187 Kragar

OK, you can be Mrs. Howell if you really want to.

I did get hit on by a French guy at the bar tonight and I am married…

191 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:01:56pm

re: #189 jamesfirecat

Also already done…

They’re also wrong.

The Skipper was wrath, Gilligan was gluttony.

192 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:02:41pm
193 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:03:06pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

When you distill down the entire series you’re pretty much left with the conflict between those in power and those being exploited. Given the time frame there’s nothing particularly american about tossing in misogyny, since that was endemic in virtually every other country and culture, and in many cases still is (I’m looking at you Japan.)

Every Bioshock game seems to examine class conflict through one primary theme, objectivism in one, communism / utopian totalitarianism in two, and racial / religious conservatism in infinite. I think you’re looking at a lot of examples of American jingoism in infinite and thinking there should be more of a generalized critique of American per se going on, when each game has only really ever been about a facet of modern inequality. Bearing this in mind, if the game is going to borrow from the american experience it makes more sense to focus on race, since as an immigrant nation that fought a civil war over racial equality out identity is kind of intrinsically wrapped up in that struggle.

I am not sure how much 2 really inspects a class struggle as to me it seems to be more about parenthood and what makes a good parent / a bad one (or all the “hilarious” ways that Sophia Lamb can assume a parental role for someone and then screw their lives over) but one the other hand 2 was not add by Irrational Games so if it seems the odd game out in the series (also no lighthouse) that is somewhat to be expected and you have certainly given me a lot to think about.

194 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:17:27pm

re: #167 Occam’s Guillotine

Glad that you are safe!

195 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:18:38pm
196 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:20:55pm
197 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:22:44pm

re: #193 jamesfirecat

I am not sure how much 2 really inspects a class struggle as to me it seems to be more about parenthood and what makes a good parent / a bad one (or all the “hilarious” ways that Sophia Lamb can assume a parental role for someone and then screw their lives over) but one the other hand 2 was not add by Irrational Games so if it seems the odd game out in the series (also no lighthouse) that is somewhat to be expected and you have certainly given me a lot to think about.

There are quite a few references to communistic themes in the character of Sophia Lamb. She created an artists commune, gave away money and free counseling before being imprisoned by Ryan. There was also her father’s influential idea of the “triage principle” which was defined as a kind of 40K Tauish “common good.” Then there’s her goal of transferring the memories of all the inhabitants of rapture into a single, ideal, avatar - taking communism to it’s most extreme, ridiculous conclusion. There are also references to her having anybody attempting to leave Rapture killed, which is more totalitarian than communist per se, but then totalitarianism is another underlying theme through the series, inasmuch as each tyrant at the center of their cult of personality tends to wrap their totalitarian policies in the ideology du jure.

198 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:23:54pm
199 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:26:25pm
200 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:26:55pm

re: #199 Kragar

Always!

201 BongCrodny  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:27:04pm

Manchester, Tennessee, it should be noted, is the home of that popular music festival, Bonnaroo.

So, Bonnaroo meets Derparoo.

202 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:28:23pm
203 BongCrodny  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:29:52pm

re: #184 Kragar

I propose a survival horror game set on an island where the player has to battle the 7 deadly sins.

I call it… GILLIGAN’S ISLE!

“Stop me before I….”

No, sorry. Even I won’t stoop that low.

204 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:32:12pm

re: #187 Kragar

OK, you can be Mrs. Howell if you really want to.

I want to be Ginger!
Someone else can be Mary Anne!

205 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:33:17pm

re: #202 Kragar

I once made an old 6’-8” corn husker say, “Gus, you’re an animal.” I blame my survival rate on having been a health nut until the age of 30.

206 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:34:30pm

Fun fact:

Dawn Wells was the only actor to see a dime out of Gilligan Island once it went into syndication. Her husband was a lawyer who made sure she got royalties in her contract.

207 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:37:56pm

FedEx 727 flights are done soon.

209 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:42:04pm
210 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:51:26pm
211 freetoken  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:52:06pm

Everyone by now has heard about the Springboro, Ohio school board and their fascination with creationism. And today was another meeting that was covered in the news and on various blogs so the topic is hardly new, but there are aspects of this story which aren’t being stressed enough, I think.

Creationism stays on Springboro agenda

Springboro’s debate over introducing creationism into local classrooms will continue.

Despite a series of calls Tuesday to end the idea, the board left up for future discussion at board meetings a proposed policy change including creationism in a list of controversial issues that would be appropriate for school discussion.

“I want to allow that discussion to happen,” Board President Kelly Kohls said. “We’re going to leave it on first reading for quite a while.”

Before leaving it as a discussion item, the board heard more critical comments from parents, teachers and other residents.

[…]

In 2011, Kohls suggested creationism be added as supplemental curriculum in the district, sparking protests at the local level and from the ACLU and the Freedom from Religion Foundation. Earlier this year the board’s policy committee included creationism in a list of controversial topics also including evolution, legalization of drugs, pro-life/abortion, contraception/abstinence, gun rights, global warming, climate change and sustainable development.

The board also was criticized for a proposed policy change that calls for inclusion of materials from groups — seen as religious by opponents – during Constitution Day activities. One of the groups, the National Center for Constitutional Studies, advocates a “preferred status” for religion among American civil rights.

[…]

Also Tuesday, an email newsletter from the Warren County Tea Party urged supporters to write letters to the Springboro district supporting the controversial issues policy change.

“Will you stand up for our children by telling education it is right to teach students that man-made global warming, evolution and many other topics are controversial, and there are at least two sides, and they must question the resources,” the newsletter said. Kohls also heads the local tea party.

So, the school board president is also a tea party leader.

And, the “National Center for Constitutional Studies” is a religious group. It was founded by none other than… Cleon Skousen, Glenn Beck’s idol (and former instructor of Mitt Romney.)

212 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:54:44pm

Everyone needs to sign the last 727 flights too.

213 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:14:37pm
214 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:19:09pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

What a dingbat. Anyone who looks at these issues for more than two seconds can easily see the following:

1) Risk of a theocratic Islamist takeover in the US: 0%.

2) Risk of a theocratic Christian takeover in the US: very small, but not zero.

3) Risk of outcome #2 significantly increased by morons freaking out about the impossible #1.

If those people are reacting to Islam as they are now, just imagine what the “dialogue” is going to sound like if there is another successful major Islamist terror attack in this country…

215 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:27:29pm

I think I found the song I’m going to try to work into the movie I’m working on:

Youtube Video

216 simoom  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:29:25pm

re: #152 jaunte

Nine Dashed-Off Points on the NSA “Scandal”

That write-up makes a good point about recent votes covering this area. For example, the 2011 Patriot Act extension: politics.nytimes.com

Comparing where various congresswomen & men voted on the extension should be a useful aide for seeing exactly who is feigning outrage tomorrow.

Revisions: thomas.loc.gov
Roll Call -
House: clerk.house.gov
Senate: senate.gov

“After the September 2001 terrorist attacks, the Bush administration began a secret NSA program for the bulk collection of Americans’ call records as part of a broader counterterrorism effort that included the wiretapping of Americans’ international phone communications with suspected terrorists without a warrant. The latter effort was put under secret court supervision in 2007. But until now, there had been no evidence that the call records program, whose disclosure by USA Today in 2006 created an uproar, continued under the Obama administration.”

217 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:34:10pm
218 Gus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:34:22pm

re: #216 simoom

That write-up makes a good point about recent votes covering this area. For example, the 2011 Patriot Act extension: politics.nytimes.com

Comparing where various congresswomen & men voted on the extension should be a useful aide for seeing exactly who is feigning outrage tomorrow.

Revisions: thomas.loc.gov
Roll Call -
House: clerk.house.gov
Senate: senate.gov

Si.

219 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:39:37pm
220 Kragar  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 11:43:42pm

re: #219 Varek Raith

Image: canadian_borg.jpg

Eh Hosers! Your primitive weapon are useless!

221 Kragar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 12:01:25am

Oh MST3k, you never fail me.

Cowboy: “Go see what that is.”
Tom Servo: “Its a plot device. Its pretty flimsy, so be careful.”

222 PeterWolf  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 12:56:52am

Crazed nuts showing everyone that, they’re crazed nuts. The Pamela Geller choir.

223 freetoken  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 12:57:19am
224 freetoken  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 2:00:48am

It seems like the gang of trying-to-prove-their-Liberal-cred bloggers are really hyping this Verizon thing. Friedersdorf writes this morning:

Thank You, Unknown Patriot, for Exposing the Spying on Verizon Customers

[…]

Who helped the journalists obtain that “top secret” court order?

Hopefully, that’s going to stay secret for a long time. As Charlie Savage and Edward Wyatt note in the NY Times, “The order was marked TOP SECRET//SI//NOFORN, referring to communications-related intelligence information that may not be released to noncitizens. That would make it among the most closely held secrets in the federal government, and its disclosure comes amid a furor over the Obama administration’s aggressive tactics in its investigations of leaks.” In other words, it was likely leaked by someone who took a personal risk exposing it.

Why?

It is impossible to know. But it isn’t hard to identify likely motives. Perhaps the leaker felt morally repulsed by the knowledge that the government is spying on millions of innocent citizens in secret, something normally associated with Communist and fascist regimes, not democratic republics. (It’s true that the order doesn’t cover the content of calls, and that a separate warrant is needed to connect the information to actual users — not that we’d know if they sought those, or if officials now or in the future just ignored that legal requirement to spy on individuals. One wonders what Richard Nixon would’ve done with access to all that information.)

[…]

I’ve not followed this story closely, but I’ve been under the impression that this court order was just following what the (presumed Constitutional) law directed.

The gang may not like the law, but if the Obama administration follows it does that make him like Nixon?

225 freetoken  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 2:04:48am

File this one under “You Mean This Happens on Earth?”:

CHINA BEAR BILE COMPANY QUITS IPO BID AFTER OUTCRY

Animal-rights activists in China are claiming a rare victory after a company that raises bears to extract bile from their gall bladders withdrew its application for a public listing.

The plan for an initial public offering by Fujian Guizhentang Pharmaceutical had caused outrage on social media and sparked online petitions from activists who say extracting bile from live bears is cruel.

[…]

Last week, the China Securities Regulatory Commission listed Guizhentang as one of 269 companies that had withdrawn its application for an IPO this year.

When called for comment Thursday, the company repeatedly hung up.

226 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 2:05:37am

re: #224 freetoken

It seems like the gang of trying-to-prove-their-Liberal-cred bloggers are really hyping this Verizon thing. Friedersdorf writes this morning:

Thank You, Unknown Patriot, for Exposing the Spying on Verizon Customers

I’ve not followed this story closely, but I’ve been under the impression that this court order was just following what the (presumed Constitutional) law directed.

The gang may not like the law, but if the Obama administration follows it does that make him like Nixon?

Those with lefty cred have assumed that all electronic communication of interest has been under surveillance since the telegraph.

227 freetoken  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 2:23:18am

With all the hubbub in TV-land over Matt Smith making good on his previous threat to leave Dr. Who there is rampant speculation on who next will play the character, but the following has picked up steam:

Should the next Doctor Who be a woman?

Personally two things come to mind:
(1) Remember that the original brief for the series was to be a children’s show. It was not primarily intended for adults, though a great deal of the 10th doctor’s programs seemed to be aiming at an older audience. Then the Smith version of the Doctor included some episodes that appeared to appeal again to a slightly younger audience.
(2) I’d rather see the series rest again. At least 5 years, maybe 10. The current run was enhanced, I propose, by the long wait from the last of the campy set well over a decade ago was allowed to fade from memory. A long rest would allow a totally new reboot (like what BBC did in 2005) for a new senior producer to take it in a new direction.

228 freetoken  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 2:25:02am

Having said that, I suspect BBC Worldwide makes too much money in international syndication for them to rest the program. Dr. Who, along with DWTS, are the shows that they can market around the world to get cash flow back into the UK parent company.

229 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 2:30:24am

re: #225 freetoken

File this one under “You Mean This Happens on Earth?”:

CHINA BEAR BILE COMPANY QUITS IPO BID AFTER OUTCRY

Sadly yes. There was a big stink in China after a video showing someone sticking a bear with a long needle to extract the bile went viral. Needless to say, the bear did not enjoy the procedure, which was performed without anesthetic.

Chinese folk medicine, which Mao popularized decades ago as a worthy alternative to Western medicine, calls for such exotic ingredients as bear bile and pulverized rhino tusks. In the West, we call it “Traditional Chinese Medicine” (TCM). Others may call it “woo-woo” medicine.

230 sagehen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 2:33:24am

re: #227 freetoken

With all the hubbub in TV-land over Matt Smith making good on his previous threat to leave Dr. Who there is rampant speculation on who next will play the character, but the following has picked up steam:

Should the next Doctor Who be a woman?

Personally two things come to mind:
(1) Remember that the original brief for the series was to be a children’s show. It was not primarily intended for adults, though a great deal of the 9th doctor’s programs seemed to be aiming at an older audience. The Smith version of the Doctor included some episodes that appeared to appeal again to a slightly younger audience.
(2) I’d rather see the series rest again. At least 5 years, maybe 10. The current run was enhanced, I propose, by the long wait from the last of the campy set well over a decade ago was allowed to fade from memory. A long rest would allow a totally new reboot (like what BBC did in 2005) for a new senior producer to take it in a new direction.

I don’t think the Doctor needs a rest… but Moffat does.

I loved Amy and Rory, River was an interesting concept, but they did start to run thin by the last few of their run. And Clara isn’t really working for me. Maybe it’s because Moffat is splitting his attention with Sherlock, or maybe 3 years used up all his good ideas with room left over. Even Gaiman’s second episode wasn’t great. Surely there’s a long list of Britain’s Most Talented who are eager to take the helm for a couple of seasons?

231 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:13:24am

re: #226 Decatur Deb

Those with lefty cred have assumed that all electronic communication of interest has been under surveillance since the telegraph.

“he’s saying ‘dot dot dot,, dash dash dash’, whatever that means!!!”
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232 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:21:12am

re: #231 sattv4u2

“he’s saying ‘dot dot dot,, dash dash dash’, whatever that means!!!”
Image: 3226938308_a30c306431.jpg

Means you’re a commie.

233 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:35:18am

re: #84 The Ghost of a Flea

The article is Eternal Fascism: 14 Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt.

I was just digging about for a version to link to.

Yeah, that article pretty much nailed it. And it describes the Tea Partiers and their mentality quite well.

234 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:36:49am

re: #232 Varek Raith

Means you’re a commie.

Buddy was a radio intercept operator in VN. He could tell individual VC/NVA Morse senders apart by their ‘touch’.

235 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:40:09am

re: #232 Varek Raith

Means you’re a commie.

Reds really not my color!!
Have anything in a nice hazel!?!?!

236 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:41:05am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Buddy was a radio intercept operator in VN. He could tell individual VC/NVA Morse senders apart by their ‘touch’.

My father was one in the south pacific in WW2. He also said he could tell individual “signatures”

237 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:51:26am

Not so much playing dead as playing terribly wounded:

Youtube Video

238 Stephen T.  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:02:16am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

They don’t want Muslims in this country. They see Islam as a dangerous and foreign force.

Some of them also see Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Taoism, paganism, atheism and Catholicism as a dangerous and foreign force.

239 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:04:04am

re: #237 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yout got me, partner!

240 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:17:49am

re: #239 Varek Raith

Yout got me, partner!

And the thread too!

241 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:21:29am

re: #238 Stephen T.

It’s honestly anything that’s not Whitey McWhiterson: God’s Favorite Tea Party Christian (and my new series on the Disney Channel) that’s the threat to them. So basically they’ve declared war on a pretty large segment of the country. How that’s patriotic is a mystery to anyone with two brain cells that fire in sequence. They say the love America, but they HATE Americans.

242 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:42:37am

China had a mass death on a poultry farm.

news.yahoo.com

A swift-moving fire trapped panicked workers inside a poultry slaughterhouse in northeastern China that had only a single open exit, killing at least 119 people in one of the country’s worst industrial disasters in years.

Survivors described workers, mostly women, struggling through smoke and flames to reach doors that turned out to be locked or blocked.

243 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:43:20am

So this happened:

My son came to me last night with something that’s been bothering him for a long time. It seems that for almost every single day at school for six years he was called some variation of the word “retard”. I knew it had happened to him a couple of times, but I had no idea it was happening in almost every classroom, in the halls, on the bus. Fucktard, Retard, Asstard, Fagtard.

I’m just as guilty of the next person, especially with the word fucktard (I don’t use retard, being the parent of a child with a developmental disability kind of cured me of that). After seeing the hurt on my son’s face and the pain in his eyes when telling me this, I can’t say anything close to that anymore. My son told me that when he told one person he was autistic they retorted with “I knew you were a retard”. This was someone who he thought was a friend, that person spread it all over the school and it became another tool for bullying and exclusion.

I’m not the PC police, but language does hurt and is often used as part of a set of tools to exclude and cause pain to others. If we’re going to be inclusive and caring humans, we need to know these things so we can help people figure out how to cope and how to move past the damage that bullies cause with their words and actions. I’m passing this along because there are many autistic people all around us every day who carry the scars of bullies and may lack the tools to cope. It leads to depression, in some cases suicide. It erodes confidence and robs people of self worth. Not just the words, but the connotation of those words.

YMMV of course, this is only one family’s experience. Now I have to figure out how to help my young adult son heal those wounds so he can rebuild the confidence and love of self he once had.

244 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:43:49am

re: #242 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

China had a mass death on a poultry farm.

news.yahoo.com

Because when you treat workers like dirt, you have to keep them locked in or they will steal things and sneak out with them…

245 Stephen T.  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:55:43am

re: #243 A Mom Anon

As a father with a child on the autism spectrum, I sympathize, but my greatest sympathy comes from years of abuse by my peers in grade school. The following video is one of my favorites.

Youtube Video

246 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:58:48am

Makes you want to become a vegetarian.
I’m not saying conditions at kosher or halal processing facilities are any better. :(

247 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 5:05:32am

re: #208 Gus

Last two domestic 727 flights will be operated from LFT and SBN on Friday, June 21.

Pretty aircraft, but after having lived under the long final into MSN I will not really miss those noise makers. Some of the older FedEx ones could give a C-5 a run for it’s money on noise level. Well, maybe not a C-5, but they were the noisiest regular flights into Madison.

248 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 5:17:02am

re: #245 Stephen T.

That’s wonderful. Thanks. I like the part about getting a better mirror.

249 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 5:19:42am

I just bought this Electrolux Magic Mill bread mixer.

It came down to this one, or the KitchenAid 7-quart Commercial Stand Mixer.

I had a hard time deciding which one. They are both the same price. What finally tipped me to buy the Electrolux:

1. My daughter has one and she loves it.
2. It has the highest reviews on all consumer baking sites.
3. It has a small footprint.
4. The KitchenAid is just too large and too heavy for home use.

Factors that I had to overcome before making the decision:

1. Service is hard to obtain for this European product, unlike the KitchenAid service center which is right here in Dearborn.
2. The KitchenAid is offered by Amazon Prime (but the Electrolux still has free shipping)
3. There is a learning curve involved to using this mixer, which operates differently from the KitchenAid that I’m used to.

250 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 5:24:38am

Today is 666 day.

6/6/2+0+1+3

Have a beast of a day people.

//

251 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 5:24:53am

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

I like it. Happy Baking!

252 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 5:28:11am

re: #250 Eventual Carrion

My kid has a t-shirt that says”665: Neighbor of the Beast”. I giggle every time he wears it.

253 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 5:29:15am

re: #252 A Mom Anon

My kid has a t-shirt that says”665: Neighbor of the Beast”. I giggle every time he wears it.

665 would be “Across the Street from the Beast.” 664 and 668 are Neighbors of the Beast.

254 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 5:48:03am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

Makes you want to become a vegetarian.
I’m not saying conditions at kosher or halal processing facilities are any better. :(

Yeech.

This one from the article was bizarre: Meanwhile, in the last few years, a foam-like “gray bubbly substance” has appeared on top of hog manure in factory size hog farms, reports Mother Jones and has caused at least six explosions and a fire that took many animals’ lives. Scientists cannot explain the foam, which grows to a thickness of up to four feet and pulsates with apparent microbial activity. It sounds like something that would be grown in a test tube—except that the test tube is the size of a factory farm.

255 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:05:20am

re: #224 freetoken

You mean there are people still left who think the authorities don’t already have or can’t get our phone/email records?

256 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:06:00am

re: #206 Kragar

I sure loved me some Maryann and Ginger back in the day.

257 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:13:01am

re: #253 Vicious Babushka

OK smarty pants,lol. Maybe the Beast lives on a cul-de-sac at the end of the curve?

258 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:15:21am

re: #257 A Mom Anon

OK smarty pants,lol. Maybe the Beast lives on a cul-de-sac at the end of the curve?

Depending on how address numbers are assigned in the Beast’s subdivision, the neighbors might also be 654 and 678.

259 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:18:06am

re: #255 Bulworth

You mean there are people still left who think the authorities don’t already have or can’t get our phone/email records?

“If you’ve done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about”

Oh that’s right. That only fit when it was the “other” guy getting their communications and personal effects riffled through. Not when it was done to the acts of a “patriot”.

260 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:18:16am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

Depending on how address numbers are assigned in the Beast’s subdivision, the neighbors might also be 654 and 678.

But 665 would still be the neighbor who looks out his front window and gazes into the Abyss.

261 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:19:31am

re: #259 Eventual Carrion

“If you’ve done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about”

Oh that’s right. That only fit when it was the “other” guy getting their communications and personal effects riffled through. Not when it was done to the acts of a “patriot”.

That also assumes that due process and all those other protections from pettiness, harassment, and vendettas are in place.

262 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:24:10am

re: #47 Lidane

Rebranding!

Dulltard spams this same shit several times a day.

263 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:26:52am

Uh Ben, maybe that’s because it’s all a bunch of bullshit?

264 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:28:04am

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

Uh Ben, maybe that’s because it’s all a bunch of bullshit?

Why is nobody else reporting on this?

-Glenn Beck

265 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:30:27am

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

Uh Ben, maybe that’s because it’s all a bunch of bullshit?

That is just the way the media is. They have been ignoring my calls about the dog next door that keeps telling me to go take a dump on the dessert table at the oriental buffet down the road. Those people call themselves journalists, huh!

266 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:31:25am

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

Ben can’t possibly be upset about the NSA/Verizon thing, can he? Patriot Act, hello!

267 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:34:04am
268 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:36:36am

re: #266 Bulworth

Ben can’t possibly be upset about the NSA/Verizon thing, can he? Patriot Act, hello!

Meanwhile I’m thinking how does NSA possibly have the resources to monitor EVERYBODY’S PHONE CONVERSATIONS. Hello, that’s a huge amount of utterly random crap.

269 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:38:32am

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

Meanwhile I’m thinking how does NSA possibly have the resources to monitor EVERYBODY’S PHONE CONVERSATIONS. Hello, that’s a huge amount of utterly random crap.

I recall reading that that they are monitoring vast batches of traffic looking for certain patterns of key words that might indicate the presence of a terrorist cell or something.

270 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:38:38am
271 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:39:48am

re: #269 Sol Berdinowitz

I recall reading that that they are monitoring vast batches of traffic looking for certain patterns of key words that might indicate the presence of a terrorist cell or something.

Isn’t that the ECHELON program?

272 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:50:24am
273 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:50:42am

Free Speech?

I AM A HUMAN BEING

Christianity traditionally has regarded women as vessels—vessels for evil, and for babies. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety (1 Timothy 2: 13-15). As a consequence, Catholic rules addressing reproduction are particularly convoluted, and sometimes patients pay the price:

Also Paged

I may have to vomit.

you?

274 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:53:23am

Blech. Had 4 3.2 beers last night. Feel gross this morning.

275 Ian G.  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:54:57am

Your morning dose of facepalm:

motherboard.vice.com

Let’s also mention that the Storm Prediction Center in Norman, OK, also is affected by the sequester. Nonetheless, they were able to give a full 16 minutes of lead time warning on the devastating Moore tornado. Yes, the SPC put out a tornado warning 16 minutes before the tornado even formed.

But I’m sure the National Weather Service is just more worthless government spending, like volcano monitoring.

I’m an atheist, but I’d believe in god if she would start sending tornadoes and hurricanes that only destroy the homes of people like James Inhofe or Bobby Jindal.

276 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:56:03am
277 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:57:49am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

And the Democrats were the party of Jim Crow…

278 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:58:16am
If all currently proposed mergers are completed in Washington State, for example, nine counties will have all hospital beds controlled by religious institutions by the end of 2013.

can you tell I’m concerned?

279 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:58:47am

re: #275 Ian G.

Climate Progress reports that the “National Weather Service, already cash-strapped and under scrutiny for sub-par computer modeling, will be grappling with a hiring freeze and mandatory furloughs as it heads into a potentially daunting hurricane season. The NWS office in Tallahassee, which typically has 18 meteorologists on staff, is down to 14 due to the cuts.”

So, to reiterate: A hurricane just killed nearly 150 people last year, in part because we were inadequately prepared. Now, we are getting clear warning that the upcoming hurricane season, which started last Saturday, may give rise to as many as 13-20 tropical storms, and 11 of those may turn into hurricanes. Three to six of those may be major, Sandy-sized monsters. And we just fired 23% of the staff of the public agency we’re relying on to cope with it.

280 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:59:25am

re: #274 Gus

Blech. Had 4 3.2 beers last night. Feel gross this morning.

Do you often feel yourself in the morning?

281 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:00:28am

re: #280 FemNaziBitch

Do you often feel yourself in the morning?

Yep. Gotta check an make sure all mah parts are still attached.

282 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:03:33am

What a putz.

283 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:03:34am

re: #275 Ian G.

The first named storm of the year is already churning away in the Gulf, and now packs winds of 60mph. It’s expected to dump significant rains as it makes its way up the East Coast, and the NYC metro is expecting 2-4 inches of rain, with localized heavier amounts. Coastal flooding and river flooding is possible.

Oh, and because of sequestration, the folks who monitor and maintain the flood gauges have reduced staffing.

But remember - the GOP thinks this is a good thing. Reduce the size of government, and no one will miss a thing.

Except when the warnings don’t come in time and the GOP complains that government isn’t doing its job. The reason that we aren’t getting as good predictions as we should is that we’re not funding things the way that is necessary to maintain and upgrade the systems to make those predictions, as well as fund the staffing levels to a point that allows better predictions to be made.

284 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:05:13am

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

*sigh*

I can’t believe that this idiot and Cornyn are my Senators. WTF.

285 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:05:53am

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

What a putz.

They cannot overplay their hand on this one: nobody likes the IRS, even the people who understand its mandated task.

The only good thing about it is that it will bring out the absolute most extreme side of the extremists and finally piss of enough reasonable people to damage the GOP’s chances at a national level.

286 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:06:27am
287 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:08:10am

re: #286 FemNaziBitch

Most homophobic countries

Also a map of countries most likely to be smitten by god’s wrath…

288 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:09:17am
“In the heat of the discussion, he [Yeshaya] suddenly said out loud ‘some girls like to be raped,’” attorney Roni Sdovnik told Army Radio.

His comment was met with stunned silence in the courtroom, Sdovnik said. “He didn’t even understand what he was saying, he didn’t understand why everyone were silent.”

FOR REAL???

289 blueraven  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:09:29am

re: #272 Lidane

290 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:09:45am

re: #285 Sol Berdinowitz

They cannot overplay their hand on this one: nobody likes the IRS, even the people who understand its mandated task.

The only good thing about it is that it will bring out the absolute most extreme side of the extremists and finally piss of enough reasonable people to damage the GOP’s chances at a national level.

How does he expect the government to raise revenue?

TAX THE POOR.

291 Ian G.  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:10:24am

re: #283 lawhawk

And of course, the worst of the worst will hit the states that vote for the wingnuts in Congress. For every hurricane that strikes the northeast, you’ll get 5 hitting the gulf coast. And we all know how common tornadoes are in red-state American vs. blue-state America.

But I guess you gotta break some eggs if you’re gonna make an omelet. The lives lost are necessary to drown government in a bathtub.

292 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:10:59am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

Well I offer an official rebuttal then. I have neighbors who live across the street. And behind me. so HA! (I kid, I kid you know I think you’re awesome, right?)

293 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:11:22am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

What the heck kind of communism crap is that?

//

294 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:11:44am
295 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:11:46am

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

Youtube Video

296 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:12:47am

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

Without tax revenue Senator Cruz isn’t going to be drawing a Senate paycheck, right? I’m sure he doesn’t need the money, so maybe he can serve the people of Texas on a volunteer basis then.

297 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:14:14am

re: #289 blueraven

It’s almost as if giving the government broad surveillance powers in the direct aftermath of a terrorist attack was a bad idea. Who knew?

298 darthstar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:14:15am

Happy D-Day everyone.

Eisenhower’s first progress report on D-Day:

Image: 941114_560567717320153_464384600_n.jpg

299 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:14:49am

DUMBEST MAN ON TEH INTERNETS WTF

300 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:17:29am

re: #299 Vicious Babushka

DUMBEST MAN ON TEH INTERNETS WTF

That again?

301 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:20:25am

re: #296 A Mom Anon

Without tax revenue Senator Cruz isn’t going to be drawing a Senate paycheck, right? I’m sure he doesn’t need the money, so maybe he can serve the people of Texas on a volunteer basis then.

And the state of Texas can deduct him as a dependent…

302 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:20:47am

I gotta be productive

have a good one all!

303 Ian G.  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:23:28am

So Citibike is a scheme to destroy America cooked up by Muslim Nazi collaborators, natch:

frontpagemag.com

I wish I could say this was parody, but we’re talking about David Horowitz’ rag here, so of course it’s completely serious.

304 blueraven  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:28:50am

re: #297 Lidane

It’s almost as if giving the government broad surveillance powers in the direct aftermath of a terrorist attack was a bad idea. Who knew?

And like this is something new. Of course Greenwald will exploit this to attack Obama for all it is worth. Wonder who leaked this order…paulian? Wouldn’t doubt Rand would do it.

305 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:29:10am

Good morning lizards!

306 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:29:53am
307 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:31:06am
308 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:32:07am

Israeli tanks move to Golan Heights’ border

(CNN) — Israeli tanks moved Thursday to the border on the Israeli-occupied side of the Golan Heights.

The move came after the Syrian army recaptured Quneitra crossing, Syria’s only crossing to the Golan Heights.

A few hours earlier, an opposition group said Syrian rebels had seized the crossing from Syrian forces.

After the army retook control, clashes continued at a lower intensity.

309 blueraven  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:32:38am

re: #299 Vicious Babushka

DUMBEST MAN ON TEH INTERNETS WTF

And the racist comments commence. First one…

Indiana420 • a few seconds ago −
Another fine example why those people still live in mud huts!

310 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:32:50am

re: #303 Ian G.

Will no one rid us of the citibike bike jihad!?

//

311 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:34:31am

re: #309 blueraven

Dems are the realz racists!!

312 Ian G.  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:39:14am

re: #310 Bulworth

The other day, I ate some Krispy Kreme donuts, contributing to the United Pastry Jihad, and then worked off the calories by using a Citibike, contributing to Bloomberg’s Muslim-Nazi jihad against New York! ///////

313 darthstar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:41:31am

re: #306 Lidane

Bush started this policy with Republican blessing. They can’t really say they hate it now.

Me, I don’t give a shit. We live in a digital age where nothing is ever really private. Just don’t do anything stupid or illegal and nobody will pay attention to you…not even Obama. Anyone who wants to keep anything secret needs to go analog.

314 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:44:08am

Also, too: Happy D-Day everybody

cnn.com

315 darthstar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:48:57am
316 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:49:25am

A parody account that is awfully similar to reality.

317 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:49:46am
318 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:50:29am

re: #316 Dr. Matt

A parody account that is awfully similar to reality.

Parody accounts, like The Onion, are frequently out-Derped by reality.

319 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:51:48am

re: #313 darthstar

Bush started this policy with Republican blessing. They can’t really say they hate it now.

Me, I don’t give a shit. We live in a digital age where nothing is ever really private. Just don’t do anything stupid or illegal and nobody will pay attention to you…not even Obama. Anyone who wants to keep anything secret needs to go analog.

How many of the people complaining are using facebook or twitter, or any other social media site - the amount of data and information being shared (knowingly or unwittingly) is far more vast (and far less secure to predators and the companies themselves using the data for their own purposes) than what the NSA is collecting from the phone calls - the claim is that the NSA is getting metadata on calls - location information of the source and destination, duration, etc. - not actual content of the calls.

I guess if you’re constantly calling phone sex lines, you’re going to have some explaining to do… /

320 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:52:07am

Rainbows and sunshine!

[Sprinkles fairy dust.]

//

321 darthstar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:52:46am
322 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:53:24am

re: #321 darthstar

I want Mr. Hayes’s credit card numbers. No secrets!

323 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:53:48am

Rosie racked up some epic downdings in a matter of three posts:

littlegreenfootballs.com

324 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:55:42am

re: #323 Dr. Matt

Rosie racked up some epic downdings in a matter of three posts:

littlegreenfootballs.com

I have been restraining myself from unloading on rosiee (who, in spite of the girly name, I suspect is a dude) and just hope that it eventually gets the stick.

325 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:56:00am

re: #313 darthstar

Oh, and they can say that they hate the policy. Because Obama. That’s why.

They’re doing it with the WoT, including Rumsfeld’s asinine statements about whether Obama is helping out AQ with his policy (even as Obama’s Administration greenlit UAV strikes at a tremendous pace to wipe out AQ #2s, and killed OBL in a daring raid into Pakistan).

Because Obama. That’s why. Doesn’t matter that he’s following existing law.

Because Obama.

Same thing with the whole nontroversy over the girl seeking a lung transplant. RWNJs say it’s proof of Obamacare and Death Panels. Even though it’s a UNOS policy in place for more than a decade, and has proven to save lives and reduce waiting times on transplant lists - and that the reason we even have this problem is because there are too few donors and too many people in need. People are dying all the time on the transplant lists, but this is somehow proof of Obama being bad/evil/worse than the Devil.

Because Obama.

That’s why.
/rant off

326 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:00:15am

I live in the state of Georgia. Our grocery stores have signage posted on their cooling units in the alcohol section that state the following:

“In accordance with the law, Alcoholic products may only be sold between the hours of 11:30am and 11:30pm on Sundays” (I may be getting the exact times wrong)

And yet these right-wing douchebags are worried about ‘creeping sharia’.

Some days it’s really, really hard for me to remain civil and calm.

327 Ian G.  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:01:35am

One more thing to make you loathe humanity this morning:

ftw.usatoday.com

Look at the gif of the guy knocking over a 5-year-old to get the ball that the 5-year-old had in his hands. If I were that kid’s father, I dunno, I might be in jail for aggravated assault right now.

328 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:02:16am

re: #326 GunstarGreen

Yeah the same people complaining about ‘creeping Sharia’ are the same people complaining about the increasing secularization of American society, kicking God out of the schools, etc.

329 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:02:38am

re: #326 GunstarGreen

I live in the state of Georgia. Our grocery stores have signage posted on their cooling units in the alcohol section that state the following:

“In accordance with the law, Alcoholic products may only be sold between the hours of 11:30am and 11:30pm on Sundays” (I may be getting the exact times wrong)

And yet these right-wing douchebags are worried about ‘creeping sharia’.

Some days it’s really, really hard for me to remain civil and calm.

Michigan also has Sunday “blue laws” prohibiting alcohol sales. I see these signs posted at the kosher grocery. It’s especially inconvenient when Sunday happens to be the day before a major festival. Shoppers are advised to “plan their purchases ahead of time.”

330 erik_t  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:03:27am

re: #329 Vicious Babushka

Michigan also has Sunday “blue laws” prohibiting alcohol sales. I see these signs posted at the kosher grocery. It’s especially inconvenient when Sunday happens to be the day before a major festival. Shoppers are advised to “plan their purchases ahead of time.”

Any wise Michigander lives in the UP, within driving distance of the state of Wisconsin. I”m pretty sure Wisconsin will be selling Everclear at 4:45am on the day of the heat death of the universe.

331 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:04:01am

re: #330 erik_t

Any wise Michigander lives in the UP, within driving distance of the state of Wisconsin. I”m pretty sure Wisconsin will be selling Everclear at 4:45am on the day of the heat death of the universe.

I’m closer to the Canadian border than to Wisconsin.

332 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:04:12am

re: #323 Dr. Matt

Rosie racked up some epic downdings in a matter of three posts:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Hmm? Oh, that one. Looks like no ban hammer yet but all the comments deleted; not long for this site.

333 Stanghazi  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:04:32am

re: #327 Ian G.

One more thing to make you loathe humanity this morning:

ftw.usatoday.com

Look at the gif of the guy knocking over a 5-year-old to get the ball that the 5-year-old had in his hands. If I were that kid’s father, I dunno, I might be in jail for aggravated assault right now.

It’s probably the kid’s father who knocked him down.

334 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:07:07am

I should announce that, over the last 2 weeks, I have been transitioning from one Mental Health Med to another, by gradually drawing down on Zoloft, and today starting on Prozac.

Keep me in line please. Part of last nights thing was that was the last day on Zoloft.

335 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:08:42am

re: #334 ProTARDISLiberal

I should announce that, over the last 2 weeks, I have been transitioning from one Mental Health Med to another, by gradually drawing down on Zoloft, and today starting on Prozac.

Keep me in line please. Part of last nights thing was that was the last day on Zoloft.

SSRI’s can take a couple of weeks to kick in. Hang in there. If you start to feel crushed, go do some outdoor activity like walking or biking.

336 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:08:58am

re: #326 GunstarGreen

I live in the state of Georgia. Our grocery stores have signage posted on their cooling units in the alcohol section that state the following:

“In accordance with the law, Alcoholic products may only be sold between the hours of 11:30am and 11:30pm on Sundays” (I may be getting the exact times wrong)

And yet these right-wing douchebags are worried about ‘creeping sharia’.

Some days it’s really, really hard for me to remain civil and calm.

Here in Texas, liquor stores close at 9pm Monday-Saturday, stay closed on Sundays, and you can’t buy beer or wine before noon on Sundays, so you’d best stock up for NFL Sunday on Saturday.

Also, if you want to buy a car on the weekend, make sure you know which day the dealership is open, since they can only be open on either Saturday OR Sunday, but not both.

337 blueraven  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:09:57am

re: #313 darthstar

Bush started this policy with Republican blessing. They can’t really say they hate it now.

Me, I don’t give a shit. We live in a digital age where nothing is ever really private. Just don’t do anything stupid or illegal and nobody will pay attention to you…not even Obama. Anyone who wants to keep anything secret needs to go analog.

The difference was under Bush it was warrantless. When Obama was running in 2008 he actually switched positions and said he would accept this practice under FISA. This was no secret position.

338 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:10:04am

re: #336 Lidane

Here in Texas, liquor stores close at 9pm Monday-Saturday, stay closed on Sundays, and you can’t buy any kind alcohol before noon on Sundays, so you’d best stock up for NFL Sunday on Saturday.

Also, if you want to buy a car on the weekend, make sure you know which day the dealership is open, since they can only be open on either Saturday OR Sunday, but not both.

Jewish store owners were fighting the Blue Laws in the 1840’s.

339 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:11:52am
340 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:12:43am
341 Mike Lamb  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:12:59am

re: #299 Vicious Babushka

DUMBEST MAN ON TEH INTERNETS WTF

There’s a Family Guy episode where the Griffins talk about starting a rumor just to see if it will spread. Their rumor was that Rob Schneider goes to Home Depot and hires undocumented workers to go home with him and choke him in the shower. Reading right wing tweets reminds me of that episode.

342 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:14:49am
343 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:15:25am

re: #341 Mike Lamb

There’s a Family Guy episode where the Griffins talk about starting a rumor just to see if it will spread. Their rumor was that Rob Schneider goes to Home Depot and hires undocumented workers to go home with him and choke him in the shower. Reading right wing tweets reminds me of that episode.

My brother and sister did that on purpose in Steamboat Springs back in 1988. They were in a bar there one evening and started a rumor about some celebrity (name unrecalled) dying of a cocaine overdose. Two days later at my sister’s wedding reception we heard the same rumor repeated back by a couple who had not even been in Steamboat Springs two days before.

344 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:16:02am

re: #299 Vicious Babushka

Line up another Accuracy In Media award!!

/

345 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:22:17am

I. Don’t. Care.

346 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:24:25am
347 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:27:10am

Looks like Bryan Fischer’s Twitter has been hacked. We’ll know for sure that it’s not just a “blind squirrel” moment when he starts posting pro-LGBT Tweets.

348 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:28:23am

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

He’s calling for a flat tax, and shifting the tax collection to the states, decentralizing the tax collection.

It means even higher costs for taxpayers, despite his claims. Most taxpayers would see higher taxes, except those in the highest tax brackets, who would see tax rates decline. Flat taxes have a way of doing that.

Simplification doesn’t have to result in a less progressive tax bracket collection system. It can mean lower tax rates by eliminating certain deductions, exemptions, or credits.

For instance, eliminate the AMT and require that all people making over X (as adjusted for inflation) must pay a flat tax of Y%, instead of having to do the calculations they do now - itemizing income, figuring out credits and their phase outs, etc.

349 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:28:33am

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

This is the off-the-books army that will use the DHS bullets and ammo to impose martial law and prevent elections of 2010 2012 2014. //

350 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:29:09am

I just noticed this on Wikipedia under the section for the Gezi Park Protests in Turkey:

On his trip to North-Africa, king Mohammed VI of Morocco refused to meet Erdogan. The Tunisian opposition also refused to meet with the prime minister.

I wish I could meet Mohammed VI.

351 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:30:18am
352 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:31:03am

re: #351 Vicious Babushka

Well he better do it soon if he’s going to do it at all. Time’s running out. //

353 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:33:37am

I keep seeing posts/twitters about how everyone hates Obamacare according to new polls.

Umm… do these polls break out specifics about what Obamacare is, or do they simply ask whether they know it exists and whether they like it.

Because if people actually knew what comprises Obamacare, those answers might change.

Obamacare includes eliminating provisions for preexisting medical conditions.
Obamacare allows people to stay on parents’ insurance to age 26.

Those two aspects required by the law help millions of people get insurance - and keep it.

The GOP has done an amazing job of obfuscating what Obamacare is and what it hopes to accomplish. It’s not without its problems, but the GOP doesn’t want to fix Obamacare, it wants to destroy it. Democrats who might want to see aspects fixed can’t criticize because it undermines the ability to sustain the program, even though there are things that ought to be fixed, modified, or improved.

It’s GOP slash/burn, and they don’t care about proposing new policies or improving existing ones. It’s about destroying Obama.

354 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:35:09am

re: #353 lawhawk

Obamacare is about death panels and Walmart cutting everybody’s hours to keep them from being counted full-time.

/

355 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:37:53am

*FACE PALM*

356 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:39:01am

re: #353 lawhawk

There’s a reason they uniformly refer to it as “Obamacare” and not “The Affordable Care Act”, which is the legislation’s actual name.

“Obama” shortcuts the audience straight to “Obama = Bad, therefore Obamacare = bad” without any thought or analysis involved.

Basic Rhetoric 101.

As I said in a thread a few days ago, I wanted to break things when Erick, Son of Erick tried to tell me how horrible it was that “Obamacare” would be creating a “two-tier medical system where only the rich get good healthcare”; this after I had to help my mother pay for eye surgery because it was demanded that she pay six grand out of pocket — as if everyone just has 6 g’s just lying around for a rainy day.

Oh, and she also works two full-time jobs and has insurance through both companies.

Srsly, fuck Republicans man.

357 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:39:45am

I wonder how many of these ZOMG OBAMA IZ HITLER!!!11 wingnuts even know that most Holocaust victims were not German citizens, but residents of other countries that were invaded and occupied by the Nazis. My guess is close to zero.

358 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:40:04am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

=|

359 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:41:06am

Wingnuts have no problem with the Bush government invading, occupying and killing 100,000 Iraqis.

360 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:41:24am

re: #357 Vicious Babushka

I wonder how many of these ZOMG OBAMA IZ HITLER!!!11 wingnuts even know that most Holocaust victims were not German citizens, but residents of other countries that were invaded and occupied by the Nazis. My guess is close to zero.

They know that Obama = (Hitler + Stalin + Mao)³

361 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:43:58am

re: #303 Ian G.

So Citibike is a scheme to destroy America cooked up by Muslim Nazi collaborators, natch:

frontpagemag.com

I wish I could say this was parody, but we’re talking about David Horowitz’ rag here, so of course it’s completely serious.

Being in the bicycle business, of course I’ve heard of Janette Sadik-Khan. But I had no idea she was a jihadist.

Bicycles are one of the obsessions of Mayor Bloomberg and his transportation secretary Janette Sadik-Khan. Khan is the granddaughter of Imam Alimjan Idris, a Nazi collaborator and principle teacher at an SS school for Imams under Hitler’s Mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini. The bio of his son, Wall Street executive Orhan Sadik-Khan, frequently mentions the bombing of the family home in Dresden and surviving trying times after World War II. It neglects to mention that the times were only trying because their side was losing.

In 1933, Idris wrote a letter asking why Allah would have chosen the Jews, whom he described as, “the most despicable, repulsive and corrupting nation on earth.” It’s hard to say what Imam Idris would have made of his granddaughter marrying a Jewish law professor and peddling bikes that no one wants from a nearly bankrupt Montreal government company.

But considering that Imam Idris was at times accused of being a Soviet agent and did some work for Imperial Japan, it seems likely that he would have understood.

In partial revenge, Khan has made many New York streets nearly as impassable as those of her grandfather’s wartime Dresden. Bike lanes have turned two lane streets into one lane streets. Infidels sit in their cars and honk while bike lanes go unused and midtown bus lanes sit empty except for the occasional daring taxi driver braving the bus lane camera and the 150 dollar fine.

If only Daniel Greenfield had worked Benghazi in there somehow, it could have been parody. It’s still the freakiest thing I’ve read this week.

362 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:46:11am

Of course, I can’t believe how stupid Erdogan was today. His little speech calling the protesters Radicals and Terrorists while also saying he would continue with plans to demolish the park, have caused the Turkish Stock Market and the Turkish Lira to tank.

363 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:48:16am

re: #361 wrenchwench

In partial revenge, Khan has made many New York streets nearly as impassable as those of her grandfather’s wartime Dresden.

Wartime Dresden

Citibike in New York streets

FAIL.

364 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:49:35am

re: #361 wrenchwench

Being in the bicycle business, of course I’ve heard of Janette Sadik-Khan. But I had no idea she was a jihadist.

If only Daniel Greenfield had worked Benghazi in there somehow, it could have been parody. It’s still the freakiest thing I’ve read this week.

Isn’t Daniel Greenfield the idiot who calls himself “Sheik Yerbooti” or something like that?

365 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:50:31am

Al Gore is talking.

366 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:51:16am

re: #324 Vicious Babushka

I have been restraining myself from unloading on rosiee (who, in spite of the girly name, I suspect is a dude) and just hope that it eventually gets the stick.

I would enjoy seeing that unloading.

This one needs moar downdings. Looks bannably offensive to me. I think sometimes Stinky enjoys watching hole-digging.

367 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:51:36am

re: #363 Vicious Babushka

Why would you even use cars in NYC? For me, I would use literally anything else before I used a car.

368 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:52:00am
369 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:52:57am

re: #364 Vicious Babushka

Isn’t Daniel Greenfield the idiot who calls himself “Sheik Yerbooti” or something like that?

I thought that was Frank Zappa.

Greenfield is certainly an idiot. I started looking for some past idiocy of his, but I quit after about 5 seconds.

370 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:54:20am

1944 GIs in England Before D-day

Youtube Video

371 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:54:33am

re: #368 NJDhockeyfan

Alcohol abuse!

372 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:57:03am
373 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:00:59am

re: #372 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’m in for 10 bucks, it’s about all I can afford right now, but it’s a good cause I think.

374 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:03:32am

Ah, how cute, Matt Drudge is trying to plow this NSA revelation into another “scandal.”

375 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:04:49am

LOL Someone buy Pamela a dictionary.

376 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:05:18am

re: #372 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Meanwhile:

For those not in the know, the TARDIS (which stands for Time And Relative Dimension In Space) is the flying time machine of the Doctor Who series. It also resembles a 1960s police phone box.

It can travel through time, is bigger on the inside, and until now it has never left the earth’s atmosphere. (Well, at least not in real life).

Well now a production company called 3 Stags has started a campaign to launch a TARDIS into space to celebrate the series’ 50th anniversary.

The group has already built a TARDIS satellite out of light weight aluminium. The light on the top of the box is powered by solar panels.
The team has also equipped the blue box with a GoPro camera to record its flight from earth. It also contains a hard drive ready to be installed with information.

Now this is a worthwhile and legitimate endeavor.

377 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:07:53am

re: #352 Bulworth

Well he better do it soon if he’s going to do it at all. Time’s running out. //

Seriously. Guy’s been POTUS since 2009. If he’s going to enslave us all, he’s been slacking in the widespread terror.

///

378 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:08:21am

re: #376 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile:

Now this is a worthwhile and legitimate endeavor.

Yes, but will it have to land regularly in Cardiff to refuel?

/

379 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:08:32am

re: #377 Lidane

Seriously. Guy’s been POTUS since 2009. If he’s going to enslave us all, he’s been slacking in the widespread terror.

///

HE IS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL HIS THIRD TERM AFTER HE DECLARES HIMSELF PRESIDENT FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!

380 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:08:43am

re: #357 Vicious Babushka

I wonder how many of these ZOMG OBAMA IZ HITLER!!!11 wingnuts even know that most Holocaust victims were not German citizens, but residents of other countries that were invaded and occupied by the Nazis. My guess is close to zero.

That would involve reading those evil librul history books with their facts and stuff.

381 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:09:27am

re: #378 Targetpractice

Speaking of which, why does Cardiff get mocked so heavily?

382 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:09:35am

re: #374 Targetpractice

Where the hell were these fools when the Patriot Act was enacted? It’s around 350 pages long, shouldn’t be too freaking hard for these jackasses to read and note the damned date. Matt Drudge is a boil on the ass of humanity.

383 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:10:21am

re: #381 ProTARDISLiberal

Speaking of which, why does Cardiff get mocked so heavily?

Just a guess, it’s the Detroit of Britain?

384 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:10:22am

re: #382 A Mom Anon

Where the hell were these fools when the Patriot Act was enacted?.

They were busy calling everyone who raised objections to the Patriot Act terrorists and Al Qaeda sympathizers, of course.

385 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:10:25am

re: #382 A Mom Anon

Where the hell were these fools when the Patriot Act was enacted? It’s around 350 pages long, shouldn’t be too freaking hard for these jackasses to read and note the damned date. Matt Drudge is a boil on the ass of humanity.

IOKIYAR

386 darthstar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:10:27am

President Obama is a crappy socialist.

387 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:11:16am

re: #367 ProTARDISLiberal

Why would you even use cars in NYC? For me, I would use literally anything else before I used a car.

There are parts of the City - Staten Island, Queens and Brooklyn especially, that are poorly served by subways, and bus routes aren’t particularly good/convenient.

And the cost is prohibitive to build out new subways to those areas - the 2d Ave subway, which is essentially replacing an elevated line that was demolished in the 1940s, is costing billions for just the first segment.

So, if you live in say Staten Island and want to get to Queens for a Mets game, it’s perceived as being easier to drive by car than to take bus to ferry and then subways to the game.

388 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:14:01am

re: #384 Lidane

They were busy calling everyone who raised objections to the Patriot Act terrorists and Al Qaeda sympathizers, of course.

9/11 happened. Al Qaeda and Taliban still hate us. They’d do it again if given the chance.

389 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:14:54am
390 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:16:40am

Hatchling alert: “Offensive Commenter”

391 darthstar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:17:10am

re: #389 lawhawk

Because the position is too important to leave to one person and the people should decide.

392 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:18:28am

re: #390 Vicious Babushka

Hatchling alert: “Offensive Commenter”

Promising nic!

393 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:18:39am

re: #389 lawhawk

So he’s called a special election “for the people,” but is still going to appoint somebody in the meantime.

Could he be more transparent?

394 Tigger2  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:20:16am

re: #393 Targetpractice

So he’s called a special election “for the people,” but is still going to appoint somebody in the meantime.

Could he be more transparent?

No matter how much he tries to hide it he’s no better than the rightwing.

395 darthstar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:20:54am
396 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:21:08am

re: #382 A Mom Anon

Where the hell were these fools when the Patriot Act was enacted? It’s around 350 pages long, shouldn’t be too freaking hard for these jackasses to read and note the damned date. Matt Drudge is a boil on the ass of humanity.

They were where they are now. But it’s not a question of where they were when the USAPATRIOT Act was passed.

You see, at the time we were not Presidenting While Black.

397 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:21:35am

re: #388 Gus

9/11 happened. Al Qaeda and Taliban still hate us. They’d do it again if given the chance.

Sure. That’s just reality. It still doesn’t negate the fact that the Patriot Act was vague and broadly defined in a lot of ways. We’re never going to get that genie back in the bottle, since the government isn’t inclined to take powers away from itself once they’ve been granted. It’s still problematic.

398 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:21:56am

re: #384 Lidane

I know. I was one of those traitors that said wait a damned minute. I heard a lot of shit about it too.

399 Offensive Commenter  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:22:03am

I see the Obama administration has demanded Verizon turn over ALL of their metadata. This would be every phone call that Verizon handles. All of this data has been turned over to the NSA. I have no problem with that because my phone provider is not Verizon.

Oh wait! I may have made calls to people and businesses that do us Verizon. My bad. It is not OK. Sorry.

400 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:22:53am

Happy anniversary to the DDay invasion!
I paged some pics and videos…all in color.

401 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:23:43am

re: #399 Offensive Commenter

Welcome hatchling.

You will have to be more offensive that that.

402 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:24:33am

re: #395 darthstar

Black Hole Sun?

//

403 Tigger2  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:26:22am

re: #399 Offensive Commenter

I see the Obama administration has demanded Verizon turn over ALL of their metadata. This would be every phone call that Verizon handles. All of this data has been turned over to the NSA. I have no problem with that because my phone provider is not Verizon.

Oh wait! I may have made calls to people and businesses that do us Verizon. My bad. It is not OK. Sorry.

Try and not talk to terrorist then you wont have a problem.

404 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:27:10am

WW2 Shocking P-47 video,coloured and real

Youtube Video

405 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:27:15am

re: #370 NJDhockeyfan

1944 GIs in England Before D-day

As the Brits said at the time, “The problem with the Yanks is that they’re overpaid, oversexed and over here.” //

406 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:27:18am

re: #395 darthstar

Youtube Video

407 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:27:42am

re: #406 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

GMTA

408 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:28:41am

DERP

409 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:29:54am

re: #408 Vicious Babushka

Oh. 200 lbs of mean in a 90 lb bag has spoken. Yay.

410 Tigger2  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:30:07am

re: #408 Vicious Babushka

DERP

But what we do get Michelle is you don’t have a good grasp on reality.

411 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:30:23am
412 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:30:42am
413 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:32:45am

re: #412 Gus

Wait, you mean you gave them power and they abused it? Who could have seen that coming?!

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414 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:32:54am

DOUBLE DERP

Pamela Geller retweeted:

415 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:33:11am

re: #408 Vicious Babushka

Because the guy who’s been POTUS since 2009 has no national security cred.

God, she’s such a twit.

416 blueraven  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:34:31am

re: #399 Offensive Commenter

I see the Obama administration has demanded Verizon turn over ALL of their metadata. This would be every phone call that Verizon handles. All of this data has been turned over to the NSA. I have no problem with that because my phone provider is not Verizon.

Oh wait! I may have made calls to people and businesses that do us Verizon. My bad. It is not OK. Sorry.

Yawn

417 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:35:56am

re: #409 A Mom Anon

Oh. 200 lbs of mean in a 90 lb bag has spoken. Yay.

Great description of her.

418 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:37:46am

re: #414 Vicious Babushka

How is it stealth sharia when the country of Indonesia is Muslim Majority (and the world’s largest Muslim country), and they do impose sharia and aren’t hiding it.

Someone decided it was a good idea to host the Miss World there, so they’ve got to conform to the country’s law. They don’t have a problem with this.

Your options? Conform, or pick someplace that lets you have ‘em wear bikinis.

But stealth sharia this isn’t.

419 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:39:06am

DERP


NOT DERP

420 Ian G.  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:40:01am

re: #363 Vicious Babushka

Wartime Dresden

Citibike in New York streets

FAIL.

It’s more in keeping with the wingnut delusion that New York is a hellhole that’s half Pyongyang, and half “Escape from New York”. They need this delusion to be true, because New York is run by lib’ruls and lib’ruls ruin everything, right?

They might have had a point circa 1977, but as someone who has lived here for 10 years now (in Brooklyn), I just have to laugh and shake my head. Per capita, NY is probably safer than many of the southern and midwestern suburbs where wingnuts live.

421 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:41:03am

re: #404 NJDhockeyfan

Very nice.

Makes me think of this episode of Dogfights.

Youtube Video

422 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:41:46am

re: #414 Vicious Babushka

Respecting the laws and customs of a nation where an event is held is “buckling under to Sharia”?

Next they’ll be telling us that the Vatican has banned miniskirts…

423 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:42:26am

re: #420 Ian G.

It’s more in keeping with the wingnut delusion that New York is a hellhole that’s half Pyongyang, and half “Escape from New York”. They need this delusion to be true, because New York is run by lib’ruls and lib’ruls ruin everything, right?

They might have had a point circa 1977, but as someone who has lived here for 10 years now (in Brooklyn), I just have to laugh and shake my head. Per capita, NY is probably safer than many of the southern and midwestern suburbs where wingnuts live.

Yeah, everyone knows that Detroit is the apocalyptic hellscape.

424 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:43:02am

re: #422 Sol Berdinowitz

Respecting the laws and customs of a nation where an event is held is “buckling under to Sharia”?

Next they’ll be telling us that the Vatican has banned miniskirts…

ZOMG YOU CAN’T BUY A CHEESEBURGER IN JERUSALEM!!11!!!!

425 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:43:28am

re: #418 lawhawk

STEALTH SHARIA!!!!

/

426 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:43:41am

FAIL

427 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:46:23am

re: #423 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, everyone knows that Detroit is the apocalyptic hellscape.

Not worry, I hear OCP is planning to level it and build Delta City in its place.

//

428 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:47:18am

re: #418 lawhawk

It probably wouldn’t be too hard to find someone from the Southern Baptist Convention complaining about bikinis, the much too explicit discussion of teh SEX on TV, and other symbols of The Fall of Amercia since God Was Kicked Out Of The Schools.

//

429 Ian G.  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:47:23am

re: #423 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, everyone knows that Detroit is the apocalyptic hellscape.

And even then, I’d hardly attribute it to technocratic liberals in the mold of Michael Bloomberg turning Detroit into what it is. I’m hardly a scholar on Detroit, but I imagine it’s a toxic brew of crony local politics, de facto segregation and redlining, and above all, the fall of the American automakers as their market share eroded with stiff competition from Japanese carmakers.

If anything needs to be blamed for Detroit above all, it’s poor business decisions and a lack of foresight by those running GM, Chrysler, and Ford that led to the collapse of the industrial employment and tax base there.

430 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:48:43am

re: #429 Ian G.

And even then, I’d hardly attribute it to technocratic liberals in the mold of Michael Bloomberg turning Detroit into what it is. I’m hardly a scholar on Detroit, but I imagine it’s a toxic brew of crony local politics, de facto segregation and redlining, and above all, the fall of the American automakers as their market share eroded with stiff competition from Japanese carmakers.

If anything needs to be blamed for Detroit above all, it’s poor business decisions and a lack of foresight by those running GM, Chrysler, and Ford.

I blame Matty Moroun.

431 Offensive Commenter  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:48:57am
432 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:50:04am

re: #420 Ian G.

It’s such a hellhole that it costs more to live here than anywhere else in the country - rent/mortgages are astronomical, even in the furthest reaches of the city.

Oh, and we’re the number 1 tourist destination in the US.

433 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:50:13am

re: #431 Offensive Commenter

I am sorry, you will have to be MUCH MORE OFFENSIVE if you want a downding.

434 iossarian  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:50:50am

Save me St. Ronnie.

435 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:51:47am

re: #419 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Ahhhh… the best part of waking up is the fresh smell of ripe rebranding/outreach in the morning.

We have a problem with the female demographic. How do we solve it? BY TELLING THEM THAT THEY’RE ALL STUPID SLUTS LOL.

It’s like the GOP and its supporters suffer from some strange, misogynist version of tourettes.

436 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:53:43am

P-40 Kittyhawk fighter aircraft that crashed in 1942 was found in excellent preserved state recently. The discovery was made in a remote part of Egypt’s western desert.

Youtube Video

437 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:57:51am

Left-wing activist dies after Paris skinhead attack

An 18-year-old anti-fascism activist has died after a brutal attack by a group of skinheads left him brain dead on Wednesday night. Left-wing campaigner Clément Méric was shopping with friends in central Paris when he was approached by the gang.

438 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:58:26am

re: #424 Vicious Babushka

I can’t believe the anti-sharias want to play this game. As if the RWNJ circus to which they belong isn’t stuffed full of rabid anti-sex-leaguers.

439 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:59:09am

Eat a bag of dicks, Pammy

440 Offensive Commenter  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:00:17am
441 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:00:36am

Kind of reminds me of a speech I attended at UW-Milwaukee where a student group shouted down the speakers until the forum was ended. That was back in 1998…very uncomfortable to be a spectator in the audience…I think I was one of maybe 3, ok it was probably more but it felt like 3…:)

442 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:01:23am

re: #439 Vicious Babushka

Eat a bag of dicks, Pammy

Wow, she’s shooting for some records. Managed to combine Godwin and ‘America was the only country that did anything in WWII’ memes into the same braindead tweet.

443 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:01:31am
444 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:02:02am

re: #439 Vicious Babushka

What the FUCK???? Wow, the stupidity of this woman is beyond compare, or wait…

445 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:03:05am

re: #439 Vicious Babushka

Eat a bag of dicks, Pammy

D-Day: Naziphobia Prevailed: Today is the 69th anniversary of D-Day when millions of Naziphobes crossed the At…

What the hell does that mean?

446 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:03:14am

USSR lost the most soldiers fighting the Nazis but

COMMUNISTS!!!1!!!

447 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:03:17am

re: #437 NJDhockeyfan

Very scary and so very tragic…nationalism it’s just plain scary

448 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:04:06am

re: #445 NJDhockeyfan

What the hell does that mean?

Translating from Pamelaese:

NAZIPHOBIA=ISLAMOPHOBIA

449 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:04:55am

re: #439 Vicious Babushka

Eat a bag of dicks, Pammy

Oh, I see. Because Naziphobia is like Islamophobia because Islam iz like teh Nazis. Or something.

450 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:06:40am

re: #449 Gus

Oh, I see. Because Naziphobia is like Islamophobia because Islam iz like teh Nazis. Or something.

AND JUICE WHO MAKE FUN OF PAMELA ARE LIKE TEH KAPOS!!11 JEWICIDAL JEWY JUICE!!11!!!!

451 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:07:11am

re: #423 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, everyone knows that Detroit is the apocalyptic hellscape.

And that “Escape From L.A.” is a documentary.
//

452 gwangung  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:07:23am

Actually, these yo-yos remind me of how the Red Guard used to take down and shout down opponents in Mao’s Cultural Revolution.

Call these twits communists. Make their heads explode.

453 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:09:39am

re: #445 NJDhockeyfan

What the hell does that mean?

She’s trying to be ‘witty’ by pretending that islamophobes opposing islam is exactly the same as people opposing the Nazis. Like many right-wing Americans, she’s proud to be a complete fucking idiot.

I thought Stewart nailed it pretty accurately when he was interviewing Billo the Clown a few days ago. Bill justifies profiling of muslims based on ‘14,000 acts of terror’ out of the… how many billions of practicing muslims in the world, but having a national gun registry would be ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE despite there being around 30,000 shooting deaths annually out of a pool of millions of gun owners.

454 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:10:27am
455 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:11:50am
456 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:14:50am
457 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:15:43am

re: #453 GunstarGreen

You have a God-given right to bear a gun, but not a God-given right to worship Allah

/

458 jaunte  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:17:18am

re: #456 wrenchwench

“For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.”
— H. L. Mencken

459 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:18:02am

re: #455 NJDhockeyfan

That’s stupid. Two separate things.

He (?) is agreeing with Pam Geller. That’s stupid.

460 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:18:21am

So Pammykins is now trying to say that WWII is on the same plane as her and her dumbass pals bigoted “war” on Islam? Seriously? On the D-Day anniversary no less?

She needs to go into rehab. Yesterday.

461 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:19:59am

I had to look up ‘in the wheelhouse’.

I didn’t have to look up Bosch Fawstin. There are few ex-lizards so repulsive as that one.

462 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:20:43am

I see Geller found a way to demean the meaning of D-Day.

463 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:21:02am

re: #461 wrenchwench

Oh good, I was right in my instinct not to click on that link. Intuition for the WIN!

464 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:21:38am

re: #460 A Mom Anon

So Pammykins is now trying to say that WWII is on the same plane as her and her dumbass pals bigoted “war” on Islam? Seriously? On the D-Day anniversary no less?

She needs to go into rehab. Yesterday.

And she is a courageous resistance fighter, but Juice like Babushka are COLLABORATOR KAPOZ!!11!!

465 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:25:21am
466 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:25:47am

Yawn.

467 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:26:43am

Not trying hard enough, little hatchling. It takes a lot more than that to get this crowd riled.

468 iossarian  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:26:44am

please pay attention to little me

469 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:26:54am

re: #465 Offensive Commenter

OK you got your downding. Now fuck off and die.

470 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:27:19am

re: #464 Vicious Babushka

You know, it’s a shame really. Imagine if she put all that energy into something really good for her community. A no kill animal shelter, a tutoring program to help keep kids in school, building a women’s shelter. Hell, almost anything besides what she’s doing. If what I’ve read about her over the years is true, she’s a multi-millionaire, so it’s not like she needs the money. Why not take the kids on vacations and enjoy life? With that kind of dough she could do anything and she chooses this crap.

471 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:28:13am
472 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:29:14am

re: #465 Offensive Commenter

Wow! This place is full of a lot of nasty, leftist goons. Like those found in Chicago.

Throw a rock and you’ll probably hit one. And do me a favor kid, throw it hard!

Everyone on here is not a leftie. If you are trying to troll you are doing a horrible job BTW. My 10 year olds can do better than that.

473 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:29:22am

re: #465 Offensive Commenter

Bye now! Haters not welcome, sorry. Go somewhere else.

474 jaunte  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:30:32am

“Nasty is when people don’t agree with me.”

475 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:31:16am


Go read it. It’s short and sweet, but deliberately not too sweet.

476 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:31:25am

re: #414 Vicious Babushka

Youtube Video

477 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:31:39am

Yeah. I’m such a leftist goon that I’m supporting PBO and the NSA metadata thing while simultaneously thumbing my nose at Glenn Greenwald and other Guardian types. Yep. That’s me. Far left Gus. Down with Obama and vote for Gus Hall! //

478 blueraven  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:32:12am

re: #472 NJDhockeyfan

Everyone on here is not a leftie. If you are trying to troll you are doing a horrible job BTW. My 10 year olds can do better than that.

So attacking the lefties here is OK?

479 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:32:52am

re: #478 blueraven

So attacking the lefties here is OK?

Not at all.

480 jaunte  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:33:28am

Lefties are sinister.

481 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:33:31am

Just prior to the amassed Allied forces setting sail for the invasion of France, the D Day Landings on 6th June 1944, the Allied Supreme Commander General Dwight D. Eisenhower issued this message to the men under his command.

Youtube Video

482 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:34:24am

re: #480 jaunte

Lefties are sinister.

Everyone on the left is the same. We all agree on everything from A-Z. Seen one lefty, seen ‘em all. //

483 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:34:59am

re: #480 jaunte

I see what you did there….

484 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:35:20am

I am right-handed but I have been called a LIBTARD on Twitter and a KAPO by Pamela.

485 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:36:15am

re: #484 Vicious Babushka

I am right-handed but I have been called a LIBTARD on Twitter and a KAPO by Pamela.

You post the best tweets on here :)

486 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:36:33am

re: #482 Gus

Everyone on the left is the same. We all agree on everything from A-Z. Seen one lefty, seen ‘em all. //

that’s why my comments all start with “Liberals say that…” or “Liberals believe that…” and then I tear their arguments apart

/

487 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:36:44am

Happy Happy Joy Joy!!! New NIN - Came Back Haunted

Youtube Video

488 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:36:54am

re: #485 NJDhockeyfan

You post the best tweets on here :)

I post the worst DERP Tweets here.

489 iossarian  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:37:05am

re: #475 wrenchwench

Go read it. It’s short and sweet, but deliberately not too sweet.

Great article and it absolutely nails the problem on the head. It pisses me off when (well-meaning) people talk to my daughter as if she’s just in preparation to marry some lawyer and sit around looking pretty all day.

490 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:37:25am

Now, what should I get my grandson for his 2nd birthday?

491 blueraven  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:38:03am

Christie appoints NJ AG as interim Senator.

492 iossarian  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:38:37am

re: #490 Vicious Babushka

Now, what should I get my grandson for his 2nd birthday?

Book?

493 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:38:44am

re: #477 Gus

Yeah. I’m such a leftist goon that I’m supporting PBO and the NSA metadata thing while simultaneously thumbing my nose at Glenn Greenwald and other Guardian types. Yep. That’s me. Far left Gus. Down with Obama and vote for Gus Hall! //

Yeah, you’re not alone in thumbing your nose at Socky McSockpuppet, who’s trying to make waves out of the fact that the President is using powers already granted under federal law and using existing FISA rules to access data records from telecos. Yeah

494 jaunte  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:39:00am

re: #490 Vicious Babushka

Wooden building blocks.

495 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:39:18am

re: #490 Vicious Babushka

Now, what should I get my grandson for his 2nd birthday?

A drum.

496 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:39:58am

re: #489 iossarian

Great article and it absolutely nails the problem on the head. It pisses me off when (well-meaning) people talk to my daughter as if she’s just in preparation to marry some lawyer and sit around looking pretty all day.

I read it just after squealing over how cute a little boy in a stroller was, and I realized I would have done the same to a little girl. Maybe it’s OK if they’re too young to walk yet.

497 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:40:28am

re: #399 Offensive Commenter

I seem to recall the Right Wing having a conniption fit because my senator, Russ Feingold refused to sign the (so-called) Patriot Act warning of things like this. Guess we should have really warned Republicans there might be someone daring to be POTUS while black. THAT would have kept them from passing it.

498 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:40:46am

re: #495 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

A drum.

I don’t hate my daughter-in-law.

499 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:41:01am

Chess set? :)

500 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:41:38am

re: #497 William Barnett-Lewis

I seem to recall the Right Wing having a conniption fit because my senator, Russ Feingold refused to sign the (so-called) Patriot Act warning of things like this. Guess we should have really warned Republicans there might be someone daring to be POTUS while black. THAT would have kept them from passing it.

If he had said that they would have accused Feingold of liberal commie fearmongering.
/

501 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:41:58am

re: #482 Gus

Everyone on the left is the same. We all agree on everything from A-Z. Seen one lefty, seen ‘em all. //

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502 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:42:42am

re: #493 lawhawk

Yeah, you’re not alone in thumbing your nose at Socky McSockpuppet, who’s trying to make waves out of the fact that the President is using powers already granted under federal law and using existing FISA rules to access data records from telecos. Yeah

Yep. I’m far left. Just like Pres. Obama. Far left. Let’s go watch some Democracy Now videos. We all watch Democracy Now here, right?

//

503 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:43:51am

Hang on. This far lefty is catching up on some ME news over at The Electronic Intifada website.

//

504 iossarian  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:44:01am

re: #496 wrenchwench

I read it just after squealing over how cute a little boy in a stroller was, and I realized I would have done the same to a little girl. Maybe it’s OK if they’re too young to walk yet.

I actually think it’s OK to do the cute thing to some extent, as long as it isn’t the only thing you say to them (girls especially).

505 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:44:01am

re: #490 Vicious Babushka

A puppy? Seriously,wooden toys are awesome. The little train sets and blocks, airplanes or the puzzles with big pieces. Art supplies for little hands. Water toys since it’s summer….

506 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:44:53am

re: #490 Vicious Babushka

Now, what should I get my grandson for his 2nd birthday?

Thomas the Tank Engine train set? The wooden blocks trains are something I’ve watched lots of boys & girls play with together.

507 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:46:51am

re: #506 William Barnett-Lewis

My grandson loved those things, now my granddaughters play with them since he’s “too big” for that sort of thing.

508 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:46:51am

re: #490 Vicious Babushka

Now, what should I get my grandson for his 2nd birthday?

Finger paints.

509 Kragar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:48:46am

re: #506 William Barnett-Lewis

Thomas the Tank Engine train set? The wooden blocks trains are something I’ve watched lots of boys & girls play with together.

You would subject them to that dystopian nightmare?

5 Horrifying Details Hidden in Classic Children’s Cartoons

Sorry to break the news to you, kiddos, but even on the whimsical Island of Sodor, there’s no such thing as choo-choo heaven. As seen in Stepney the “Bluebell” Engine, when a train in the Thomas universe gets old and worn out, it goes here:

That’s the scrapyard, and as you can probably guess by the looks of utter dismay on those trains’ faces (and also the fact that there’s a dude getting ready to blowtorch one of them), the scrapyard is not a very pleasant place for a train to be. In fact, it’s precisely what it sounds like: a place where the best the trains can hope for is to ever so slowly rust away, while the worst they can hope for is to have all of their still-useful parts gradually cannibalized so that other trains may live a bit longer.

As someone who knows far more about trains than we ever care to noted, the train on the right in the picture above “seems to be a LNWR 0-8-2 tank engine with its trailing wheels, bunker, and back end of its cab already cut off.” We wonder, does a conscious train feel pain when you cut the back end of its cab off? So yeah, sending a train to the scrapyard is basically equivalent to sending Grandma away to the Meadow Springs Retirement Village and Organ Harvesting Clinic. And while that’s disturbing enough on its own, where this railroad really takes a switch toward Nightmareville is when you squint a little closer at the background of that picture:

510 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:49:28am

Good grief. The people who disrupted the meeting in Tennessee really are complete fucking morons.

SAVE OUR CONSTITION!

And they spelled it the same way on the other side of the sign.

511 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:50:20am

re: #510 Charles Johnson

Good grief. The people who disrupted the meeting in Tennessee really are complete fucking morons.

SAVE OUR CONSTITION!

And they spelled it the same way on the other side of the sign.

That’s Pamela shrieking into the bullhorn.

512 Kragar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:50:22am

re: #510 Charles Johnson

Good grief. The people who disrupted the meeting in Tennessee really are complete fucking morons.

SAVE OUR CONSTITION!

And they spelled it the same way on the other side of the sign.

SPELLING IS DEMONS!

513 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:50:39am

re: #494 jaunte

Wooden building blocks.

I found these things called “Story Blocks” for my niece when she was 3 or so. They were uniform wooden blocks about 4”x2”x1” with a good finish. On each was a picture and some words (verbs or nouns). So besides building with them you could also assemble them to make sentences with pictures. About forty of them in the set and cost me about $40 fifteen years ago.

Not sure if she ever used them for that, but she at least played with the blocks and looked at the pictures. Also used to use the box they came in as a foundation to give Lego constructions higher elevation.

Short Google search did not turn them up though. :(

514 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:51:15am

re: #512 Kragar

SPELLING IS DEMONS!

Spelling is a conspiracy laid out in UN Agenda 20.

515 Gus  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:52:19am

re: #514 The Ghost of a Flea

Spelling is a conspiracy laid out in UN Agenda 20.

UN Agenda 11ty

516 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:53:02am

re: #510 Charles Johnson

Good grief. The people who disrupted the meeting in Tennessee really are complete fucking morons.

SAVE OUR CONSTITION!

And they spelled it the same way on the other side of the sign.

GET A BRAIN! MORANS!

As I said earlier in the thread: fucking idiots, and proud to be so.

517 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:54:16am

re: #510 Charles Johnson

Good grief. The people who disrupted the meeting in Tennessee really are complete fucking morons.

SAVE OUR CONSTITION!

And they spelled it the same way on the other side of the sign.

Taking the ‘tu’ out of Constitution was part of the First Amendent.

518 allegro  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:54:34am

re: #516 GunstarGreen

GET A BRAIN BRANE! MORANS!

As I said earlier in the thread: fucking idiots, and proud to be so.

Honestly, you guys. Get wit teh program.

519 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:55:03am

re: #480 jaunte

Lefties are sinister.

How gauche.

520 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:56:21am

re: #518 allegro

Honestly, you guys. Get wit teh program.

Nah, I was specifically referencing this famous gentleman-scholar.

521 jaunte  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:56:32am

Read the Constition, moran!

522 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:56:47am

Okay, what the fuck, this is just… seriously.

mysanantonio.com

During closing arguments Tuesday, Gilbert’s defense team conceded the shooting did occur but said the intent wasn’t to kill. Gilbert’s actions were justified, they argued, because he was trying to retrieve stolen property: the $150 he paid Frago. It became theft when she refused to have sex with him or give the money back, they said.

Gilbert testified earlier Tuesday that he had found Frago’s escort ad on Craigslist and believed sex was included in her $150 fee. But instead, Frago walked around his apartment and after about 20 minutes left, saying she had to give the money to her driver, he said.

That driver, the defense contended, was Frago’s pimp and her partner in the theft scheme.

He literally killed a woman over $150 and is not guilty of murder for it.

523 allegro  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:57:13am

re: #520 GunstarGreen

Nah, I was specifically referencing this famous gentleman-scholar.

Ohh, you found you a smart one!

524 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:57:14am

Found a picture of the blocks - but the image site is blocked here.

Image: story_blocks.jpg

525 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:57:54am

OK, I have to unplug this ‘puter from the internets so I can retrieve the email from the other ‘puter that, when responded to, will allow them to upgrade me to a wireless modem so I won’t have to do this in the future.

526 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 10:59:40am

re: #525 wrenchwench

OK, I have to unplug this ‘puter from the internets so I can retrieve the email from the other ‘puter that, when responded to, will allow them to upgrade me to a wireless modem so I won’t have to do this in the future.

That’s just what they told you. Once you go off-line and they know you are cut off the leftists will replace you with a pod person who paces in lockstep and is part of Obama’s hidden army. Oh wait, you comment here and have been therefore already been replaced. Never mind.
// ;)

527 Kragar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:02:54am

Sen. Rubio Wants To Amend The Constitution To Repeal Obamacare

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) proposed a constitutional amendment Tuesday that, if approved, would nullify Obamacare’s individual mandate. The amendment is the latest in a string of failed GOP attempts to repeal Obamacare, which many Republicans still view as unconstitutional.

The “Right to Refuse” amendment would make any laws that tax Americans who fail to purchase goods or services unconstitutional, targeting the Affordable Care Act’s stipulation that nearly all Americans must purchase health insurance. The amendment was introduced by Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-MS) in the House in February.

528 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:03:39am
529 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:05:09am

re: #527 Kragar

Sen. Rubio Wants To Amend The Constitution To Repeal Obamacare

Do these people even think, for one second, what sort of unintended consequences these crackpot bills/amendments would have?

Auto insurance, anyone?

530 GeneJockey  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:05:46am

re: #510 Charles Johnson

Good grief. The people who disrupted the meeting in Tennessee really are complete fucking morons.

SAVE OUR CONSTITION!

And they spelled it the same way on the other side of the sign.

The Constitution is for ego, but not for tu.

531 iossarian  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:06:50am

re: #519 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

How gauche.

Do you have any links for that?

532 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:07:50am

re: #529 GunstarGreen

Do these people even think, for one second, what sort of unintended consequences these crackpot bills/amendments would have?

Auto insurance, anyone?

They don’t care. They know the bill has no chance of passage, but it’s red meat for the nuts in order to get contributions and other support.

533 sagehen  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:11:55am

re: #393 Targetpractice

So he’s called a special election “for the people,” but is still going to appoint somebody in the meantime.

Could he be more transparent?

This I can’t criticize… the special election is being held as soon as is legally possible, and the interim appointee is just to keep the seat filled until then.

534 Lidane  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:15:15am

re: #529 GunstarGreen

Do these people even think, for one second, what sort of unintended consequences these crackpot bills/amendments would have?

LOL no. All they care about is opposing POTUS.

535 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:19:29am

re: #527 Kragar

That rule would also make hash out of car insurance. And home insurance. And health insurance too. Just not in the way that he intends.

536 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:20:20am

re: #519 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

How gauche.

Okay Frenchie. That’s all the proof we need that this is a sinister plot.

537 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:27:32am

re: #531 iossarian

Do you have any links for that?

::desperately trying to work ‘izquierdo’ into a sentence::

538 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 12:01:11pm

re: #487 lawhawk

Happy Happy Joy Joy!!! New NIN - Came Back Haunted

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