Houston Gun Group: "Fighting the War on Women, One Free Shotgun at a Time"

Houston Gun Group: “Fighting the War on Women, One Free Shotgun at a Time”

Making us safer by handing out deadly weapons

WingnutsJune 2013 • Views: 19,826

I don’t think these wingnuts have considered the possible consequences of arming up a bunch of women with free shotguns and then coming at them with transvaginal ultrasound wands: Houston Gun Group Fights ‘War on Women’ by Handing Out Free Shotguns.

The Armed Citizen Project recently began handing out free shotguns to 50 residents of a Houston, Texas neighborhood. Like the name suggests, the group wants a maximum number of armed residents in cities with higher crime rates, once applicants complete a firearms course and background check. Founder Kyle Coplen’s goal is to spread to 15 cities, although a gun giveaway is already underway in Tucson, Arizona — the site of a mass shooting two years ago.

Beyond encouraging residents with minimal training to fight crime themselves, Coplen wants to provide guns specifically for “vulnerable women.” The Armed Citizen Project website says this is, “Fighting the war on women, one free shotgun at a time.”

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42 comments

Bulworth Mon, Jun 10, 2013 12:53:15pm

What could possibly go wrong?

Kragar Mon, Jun 10, 2013 12:53:29pm

So they want to see more dead women?

Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Mon, Jun 10, 2013 12:53:44pm

I goddamn hate this stupid idea that all it takes to be a responsible gun owner is a gun course. I hate the push to arm people, I hate that gun advocates don’t accept that a lot of ordinary people just shouldn’t have guns.

FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 10, 2013 12:54:11pm

Sad and Misguided people. A firearm in the hands of a Domestic Violence survivor is most often taken-away and used by their abuser to hurt survivor. Three women a day are killed by their husband or Significant Other in this country. Abusers condition their victims —it’s part of the Cycle of Domestic Violence.

Unless one is going to be trained and PRACTICE a LOT at the range, a firearm is not an effective self-defense tool.

I really, really applaud the people who are involved in this program for their willingness to get involved in helping survivors help themselves. Yet it is unfortunate their efforts are so naive.

Martial Arts Self-defense classes would be a better choice, IMHO. That and a dog.

wrenchwench Mon, Jun 10, 2013 12:56:47pm

We can’t stop those marauding men, little lady. Here. You do it.

erik_t Mon, Jun 10, 2013 12:58:45pm

Masturbatory imagination should not be the basis for public policy.

Kragar Mon, Jun 10, 2013 12:59:16pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

“Better not go outside, and make sure you keep yourself covered from head to toe.”

FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 10, 2013 12:59:19pm

To be honest, any women who takes advantage of this Program might find herself loving the sport. It could end-up being a postiive for some women. I’ve found the firearms-training courses I’ve taken to be quite sobering. I learned I am not a candidate for a firearm.

Women do tend to be better shots … .

Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:00:02pm

Someone tell me they’re doing this in a dangerous majority-black neighborhood.

Political Atheist Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:00:28pm

re: #8 FemNaziBitch

Women do tend to be better shots … .

I have seen that myself. They take instruction better by and large. Less likely to think they already know it.

For sporting purposes, all you need is a simple safety and handling course then a nice supervised range to practice in.

FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:01:08pm

re: #10 Political Atheist

I have seen that myself. They take instruction better by and large. Less likely to think they already know it.

They say the ability to focus is the reason. Something to do with the number of neurons between the hemispheres.

Romantic Heretic Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:02:15pm

Man, the fun I could have with a string of firecrackers. //

iossarian Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:02:28pm

The modern right wing. Making stupidity into policy since 1980.

FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:04:59pm

I’m all for classes and training. I think the dissemination of information about firearms is a good thing. So many women fear firearms, to the point they would submit to a rape if a starter pistol were aimed at them. Ignorance coupled with fear is not a good thing.

I don’t know about the free guns. Owning a firearm is a big responsibility. May be coupons to reduce the purchase price, or a discount for those completing the course … .

AT least they are requiring the course …

trying to find the positives.

iossarian Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:05:00pm

But others in Houston, while expressing support for Second Amendment rights, question whether more guns will result in more gun-related deaths rather than less crime.

Scientists amazed at trace levels of sentient thought in Texas.

Kragar Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:05:05pm

Well, Microsoft just guaranteed I will never buy an Xbox ever.

Rape joke at Microsoft conference: ‘Just let it happen, it’ll be over soon’

FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:06:09pm

bbl

Lidane Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:06:49pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Someone tell me they’re doing this in a dangerous majority-black neighborhood.

Oh, of course. Just like they’re working hard to expand voting in those same black neighborhoods.

Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:08:32pm

re: #14 FemNaziBitch

Offering the course isn’t a positive, it’s a lie, it’s telling these gun owners that that course is all they need to be responsible gun owners.

The state of gun training that’s required in this country is incredibly lax, even for CCWs. Some states actually have marginally good programs, but Texas and Florida have very low requirements— and there are states that don’t require a goddamn thing to get a CCW.

FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:09:30pm

re: #19 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Offering the course isn’t a positive, it’s a lie, it’s telling these gun owners that that course is all they need to be responsible gun owners.

The state of gun training that’s required in this country is incredibly lax, even for CCWs. Some states actually have marginally good programs, but Texas and Florida have very low requirements— and there are states that don’t require a goddamn thing to get a CCW.

I’ve found the course’s I’ve attended to be a positive for me.

Cardio (formerly JRCMYP) Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:09:43pm

How about working to mitigate the issues that create “vulnerable women” in the first place?

I can just hear it now “Well, it couldn’t have been a legitimate rape. She would have used that firearm that we gave her and protected herself if she was really unwilling.”

Assholes.

iossarian Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:10:19pm

I wonder if the gun industry rep managed to refrain from laughing out loud when discussing funding terms for this non-profit and its crazy plan.

Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:10:33pm

re: #19 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Offering the course isn’t a positive, it’s a lie, it’s telling these gun owners that that course is all they need to be responsible gun owners.

The state of gun training that’s required in this country is incredibly lax, even for CCWs. Some states actually have marginally good programs, but Texas and Florida have very low requirements— and there are states that don’t require a goddamn thing to get a CCW.

I would be required to produce 25.00 and my discharge form from 1967. With that, the sheriff can’t refuse me.

AntonSirius Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:10:35pm

Who’s buying the ammo?

erik_t Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:10:53pm

re: #20 FemNaziBitch

I’ve found the course’s I’ve attended to be a positive for me.

Because you’re aware of what the course does and doesn’t mean, because you (I presume) sought it out yourself and made a positive choice to attend.

You didn’t attend because it was ‘hey sit in a classroom for an afternoon and then yay free gun!’

The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:10:58pm

Because the violence poor women face is in the form of street hoodlums. Not their family, neighbors, or any other class of people that use personal relationships as a expiation of their violence.

Because domestic abusers will totally respect the free shotgun.

Because the legal system totally gives poor women a fair shake when they engage in violence in self defense.

Like FNB said, this could be a positive experience for some women, but it’s not policy. As someone who grew up with domestic violence—including the threat of death (inflicted by one of the legally-owned firearms in the house)—though, I think that this is another one of those moments where fetishists are just posturing. Violence is a hypothetical to them; the clear picture in their head of how it happens just doesn’t match how most violence (outside a war zone) goes.

A Mom Anon Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:11:05pm

re: #8 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I got training from a Vietnam veteran who was really awesome and patient. He actually gave me one of his own firearms since I couldn’t really afford one. I just never felt safer with it, except when I was out camping in the woods by myself. At home though, I really was more nervous with it around, I ended up getting rid of it. I’m a survivor of rape and domestic violence and I honestly don’t think a gun would have saved me. What did save me was people who supported me and helped me get away and stay gone. More women’s shelters, properly staffed hotlines and support systems would have a better effect than guns. Helping victims re-locate far enough away from perpetrators wouldn’t be a bad thing either.

We have a local group here called Ahimsa House that provides homes for the pets of victims of DV until they can be reunited with their families or find permanent homes. Many women stay in violent situations because they don’t want to leave their animals behind. Few if any DV shelters accept pets. Right now Ahimsa is fostering a bearded dragon. They have a facebook page if you’d like to check them out. In other words, guns might help or empower some women, but not the majority.

iossarian Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:11:21pm

re: #24 AntonSirius

Who’s buying the ammo?

Obama.

FOR HIS PRIVATE ARMY

The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:12:42pm

re: #24 AntonSirius

Who’s buying the ammo?

Who’s buying the instruction course and the membership to a range?

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:13:02pm

How about giving vulnerable women the support and resources they need to get away from the dangerous domestic situation many find themselves trapped in for whatever reason, and follow up with strong policies and enforcement priorities aimed at keeping abusers away from them? Sorry, we can’t do that because big government. But meanwhile here’s a shotgun and you’re on your own.

It’s like Thurston Howell wanting credit for cruising past drowning women in his yacht and throwing them a styrofoam donut with the S.S. Minnow insignia on it, then cruising on to the next one. How magnanimous.

William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:13:05pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

I would be required to produce 25.00 and my discharge form from 1967. With that, the sheriff can’t refuse me.

In Wisconsin it was $50 & my DD-214. We tried to get a real requirement - the AG’s office put together a good course - but the Republicans buckled to the NRA’s shrieks of anger.

iossarian Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:13:42pm

re: #27 A Mom Anon

More women’s shelters, properly staffed hotlines and support systems would have a better effect than guns. Helping victims re-locate far enough away from perpetrators wouldn’t be a bad thing either.

Obviously you hate men and want to usurp their rightful position in the world.

Kragar Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:17:28pm

Army Chief of Staff on Sexual Assaults: “Maybe we have a bigger problem than I imagined.”

Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:18:48pm

It’s Fast & Furious. Except it’s not by the government, and it’s acting like the nuts think F&F actually behaved.

Maybe they should call it “F&F II - Buckshot Bugaloo”.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:21:57pm

Are we sure they said the one course is all they need ? Or that it was a start and more practice and more training would be wise? Most training programs strongly suggest you keep training. After all it gets them more students and makes us all safer. Most (every one I have read) suggests going beyond what the law requires.

Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:28:09pm

Oak Forest is a white-collar bedroom community with a declining violent crime rate. modal income about 100K:

weichert.com

Kragar Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:28:51pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Oak Forest is a white-collar bedroom community with a declining violent crime rate. modal income about 100K:

weichert.com

So a total ghetto then.

funky chicken Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:32:13pm

re: #8 FemNaziBitch

To be honest, any women who takes advantage of this Program might find herself loving the sport. It could end-up being a postiive for some women. I’ve found the firearms-training courses I’ve taken to be quite sobering. I learned I am not a candidate for a firearm.

Women do tend to be better shots … .

Yep. I bought a pistol, took the NRA course, can shoot straight, but I don’t enjoy it at all. My husband thinks I should get my concealed carry. I’d rather sell the stupid thing but haven’t been motivated enough to do so. Maybe if I got one of these free shotguns the trip to the pawn shop would be worth it.

/probably not what they are hoping to achieve

Walking Spanish Down the Hall Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:43:56pm

I wish somebody would give me a gun. I have an annoying neighbour and I’d like to shoot his car.

jaunte Mon, Jun 10, 2013 1:44:57pm

So, a good way to let burglars know this is the neighborhood with one free shotgun per unoccupied house.

sagehen Mon, Jun 10, 2013 2:01:01pm

Like the name suggests, the group wants a maximum number of armed residents in cities with higher crime rates, once applicants complete a firearms course and background check.

So now background checks and training are a good thing for gun owners?? Did they check with the NRA before saying that out loud in public?

Political Atheist Mon, Jun 10, 2013 2:06:56pm

re: #41 sagehen

So now background checks and training are a good thing for gun owners?? Did they check with the NRA before saying that out loud in public?

Heh, no that’s when 80% (or more) of gun owners became too liberal for the NRA. But they still take your dues if you want. //

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