Snowden Vastly Exaggerated Claims on NSA Leaks, Experts Say

“A complete and utter falsehood”
US News • Views: 29,925

Ken Dilanian and Barbara Demick of the Los Angeles Times’s Washington Bureau have some more important context for the extravagant claims made by NSA leaker Edward Snowden. According to their report, security analysts say Snowden’s claim that he could “wiretap anyone,” up to and including the President, is a “complete and utter falsehood.”

Analysts said that Snowden seems to have greatly exaggerated the amount of information available to him and people like him.

Any NSA analyst “at any time can target anyone, any selector, anywhere,” Snowden told the Guardian. “I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if I had a personal email.”

Robert Deitz, a former top lawyer at the NSA and CIA, called the claim a “complete and utter” falsehood. “First of all it’s illegal,” he said. “There is enormous oversight. They have keystroke auditing. There are, from time to time, cases in which some analyst is [angry] at his ex-wife and looks at the wrong thing and he is caught and fired,” he said.

According to the Times, analysts are under “stringent” internal supervision, to the point where some complain that the many levels of oversight and technical limits make it difficult to do their jobs.

“It’s actually very difficult to do your job,” said a former senior NSA operator, who also declined be quoted by name because of the sensitive nature of the case. “There are all these checks that don’t allow you to move agilely enough.”

For example, the former operator said, he had go through an arduous process to obtain FISA court permission to gather Internet data on a foreign nuclear weapons proliferator living abroad because some of the data was passing through U.S. wires.

“When he’s saying he could just put any phone number in and look at phone calls, it just doesn’t work that way,” he said. ” It’s absurd. There are technical limits, and then there are people who review these sorts of queries.”

Jump to bottom

571 comments
1 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 11:57:30am

If anything, the farther we dig into this, the tighter it seems the security around our data is.

2 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 11:58:01am

Credibility *cough*

3 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 11:58:12am

Who are you going to trust? A 29 year old loser who ran away to Hong Kong after stealing info or professionals with years of experience on the job?

4 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 11:59:20am
5 neilk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 11:59:42am

I don’t read Snowden as saying that he was actually permitted to do those searches, but as a system administrator with physical access to analysts’ computers, he may well have had the ability to do them. Of course, this doesn’t mean he would have gotten away with it…

6 erik_t  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 11:59:52am

re: #3 Kragar

Who are you going to trust? A 29 year old loser who ran away to Hong Kong after stealing info or professionals with years of experience on the job?

Well reliable sources inform me that the government has “lost all credibility on the issue”.

Apparently the only way to gain credibility (we, uh, do have to gain it in the first place, right?) is to just fucking show up and dump a plate full of lies in front of Glenn fucking Greenwald.

7 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:00:44pm

re: #5 neilk

I don’t read Snowden as saying that he was actually permitted to do those searches, but as a system administrator with physical access to analysts’ computers, he may well have had the ability to do them.

I seriously doubt that.

8 erik_t  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:00:55pm

re: #5 neilk

but as a system administrator with physical access to analysts’ computers

Objection: assumes facts not in evidence.

9 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:01:44pm
10 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:02:45pm

Really, the more we read about this, the more it looks like the point of failure rests with the telecoms than the NSA. After all, does anybody really believe that Verizon doesn’t possess the tools necessary to look at the data sitting on their own servers? And I’ve not exactly seen evidence that they’re under the same constraints as the Feds when it comes to looking at that data.

11 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:03:09pm

re: #4 Kragar

Uh no.

12 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:03:21pm

So, according to Bryan, any record keeping for later review by law enforcement violates the 4th amendment.

13 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:03:36pm

re: #9 Kragar

Fischer’s giving Hoft a run for the money on the dumbest posts of the day.

Again.

But I repeat myself. /auto poster

14 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:03:59pm

re: #9 Kragar

Again no Bryan if the 4th amendment is so rooted in scripture, why have societies based on scripture repeatedly violated the rights of privacy. And coming from a guy who wants to criminalize homosexual acts, this is rich.

15 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:04:24pm

yah

16 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:04:57pm

re: #13 lawhawk

Fischer’s giving Hoft a run for the money on the dumbest posts of the day.

Again.

But I repeat myself. /auto poster

It almost feels like the two say “Hey Bryan/Jim want to see who can post the dumbest thing on the internet today.” “Okay!”

17 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:05:13pm

re: #12 Kragar

So, according to Bryan, any record keeping for later review by law enforcement violates the 4th amendment.

That’s not what SCOTUS said in Smith v. Maryland.

18 neilk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:06:41pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Why? There’s a reason they require their system administrators to have secret clearance.

19 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:06:45pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

It almost feels like the two say “Hey Bryan/Jim want to see who can post the dumbest thing on the internet today.” “Okay!”

I’m picturing a wacky trip movie where they get on the wrong plane and get stuck in a gay pride festival and are forced to get out of town on their own.

20 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:06:59pm
21 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:07:26pm

re: #20 FemNaziBitch

8newsnow.com

never mind the last post, testing video links. I’m too old for this.

22 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:07:40pm

re: #19 Kragar

I’m picturing a wacky trip movie where they get on the wrong plane and get stuck in a gay pride festival and are forced to get out of town on their own.

Ha, that would be fun. Who would play our two heroes?

23 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:07:51pm

re: #12 Kragar

Which is exactly what Bryan said all during the Bush Admin. Oh wait…

24 erik_t  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:07:51pm

I finally realized what this whole story makes me think of.

— Lawrence… Ah. I’m just gonna cut on ya till you tell me how much they know.
They know everything. Every name, every record - they know how many… nose hairs you’ve got.
— Aw, see?
— They don’t know a damn thing. It’s all over your face. I ain’t even… I was gonna get me a ear, too. Aren’t you an officer of the law? Well don’t they teach you how to withstand interrogation? Can’t even tell a damn lie.
Okay. I can see you’re not an idiot.
— Wish I could say the same, Lawrence, but this is disappointing as hell.

25 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:08:24pm

re: #9 Kragar

Reading Bryan Fischer’s Tweets can cause mental retardation.

26 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:09:29pm

re: #19 Kragar

I’m picturing a wacky trip movie where they get on the wrong plane and get stuck in a gay pride festival and are forced to get out of town on their own.

And they have to get gay married in order to avoid some kind of trouble.

27 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:10:02pm

re: #4 Kragar

So, according to Fischer, Americans lose their 4th Amendment rights when talking to foreigners? Good to know.

28 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:10:28pm

A few years back I actually got a guy fired because he came to me asking, “Hey, how do you bypass the security to set up your own private admin account on your machine?”

“You don’t.” I went to our manager and told him what the guy was trying to do. He was gone the next day.

Plenty of people take their jobs and security clearances seriously. Snowden’s abuse of privileges is a slap in the face to the entire IT community.

29 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:10:44pm

re: #26 Vicious Babushka

And they have to get gay married in order to avoid some kind of trouble.

This is sounding like Happy Texas combined with I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry.

30 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:11:06pm

You know, I can’t help but think of Greenwald without Socky McSockpuppet being associated with him.

That he’s still relevant is intriguing as heck.

31 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:11:20pm

re: #18 neilk

Why? There’s a reason they require their system administrators to have secret clearance.

secret is quite low as clearances go.

32 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:11:58pm

re: #27 Bulworth

So, according to Fischer, Americans lose their 4th Amendment rights when talking to foreigners? Good to know.

Better not talk to my future SiL then since she’s still a Peruvian national or my British cousins!

33 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:12:15pm

re: #27 Bulworth

So, according to Fischer, Americans lose their 4th Amendment rights when talking to foreigners? Good to know.

Oh shit! What if they have an H1-B visa? I think one of those guys helped me with my router problems yesterday. OMG!

//

34 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:12:26pm

Wingnuts want Snowden to reveal Obama’s college transcripts and passport details.

35 neilk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:13:09pm

re: #31 funky chicken

yes, I believe he actually had top secret clearance. At any rate, it would be madness to have a technician without clearance work on a computer used for classified material.

36 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:13:27pm

re: #31 funky chicken

secret is quite low as clearances go.

Yup, plenty of people get a secret clearance. I originally got my secret clearance because they needed me to check ID badges at a secure facility, and even then, I was only allowed in the lobby area.

37 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:13:54pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

And the Real, Long Form, Birth Certificate!!!

//

38 erik_t  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:15:29pm

re: #36 Kragar

Yup, plenty of people get a secret clearance. I originally got my secret clearance because they needed me to check ID badges at a secure facility, and even then, I was only allowed in the lobby area.

And this touches on an important point: just because Snowden had Secret clearance, and the information he is alleged to have stolen was classified as Secret, does not imply that he had access to that information, legitimately or illegitimately. It’s not some kind of awesome magic badge that lets you see the Official Black Kennedy Files or something.

This whole sordid story has been pretty eye-opening as to how the media (and how the public) understands, or fails to understand, how classification works.

39 stabby  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:15:33pm

re: #3 Kragar

Who are you going to trust? A 29 year old loser who ran away to Hong Kong after stealing info or professionals with years of experience on the job?

The important thing is to elect Sarah Palin so that we can trust the chain of command all the way to the top.

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:15:35pm

re: #28 Kragar

A few years back I actually got a guy fired because he came to me asking, “Hey, how do you bypass the security to set up your own private admin account on your machine?”

“You don’t.” I went to our manager and told him what the guy was trying to do. He was gone the next day.

Plenty of people take their jobs and security clearances seriously. Snowden’s abuse of privileges is a slap in the face to the entire IT community.

Yeah, I can’t imagine that his colleagues are overly thrilled about the upcoming security reviews, interviews, and the loss of even further breathing room to address open spots in their security.

41 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:15:39pm

Ah it’s come to my attention that today is Gene Wilder’s 80th birthday. Happy Birthday Gene/Dr. Fronkensteen/Waco Kid/ Leo Bloom/Willy Wonka and others. And thanks for all the laughs.

42 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:15:40pm

re: #36 Kragar

What was the classification level of the powerpoint he leaked?

43 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:15:45pm

re: #35 neilk

yes, I believe he actually had top secret clearance. At any rate, it would be madness to have a technician without clearance work on a computer used for classified material.

We had a break room that was unusable for 3 months because to get to it, you had to walk thru a secure space and we couldn’t find a plumber with a secret clearance.

We recently went without janitors at our building for a few weeks because again, we couldn’t get any with a secret clearance.

44 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:15:48pm

re: #30 lawhawk

You know, I can’t help but think of Greenwald without Socky McSockpuppet being associated with him.

That he’s still relevant is intriguing as heck.

With all the layoffs in the news industry there are lots of unemployed journalists now. And the Guardian went with Greenwald? Hey, maybe they can get Stephen Glass next.

45 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:16:34pm

re: #44 funky chicken

With all the layoffs in the news industry there are lots of unemployed journalists now. And the Guardian went with Greenwald? Hey, maybe they can get Stephen Glass next.

Now that’s a name I haven’t heard since I took a journalism class. Snowden’s autobiography of himself actually reminded me of Glass’ fake stories.

46 erik_t  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:17:14pm

re: #42 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Was was the classification level of the powerpoint he leaked?

It’s stamped TS, if you believe it’s legitimate.

47 erik_t  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:18:09pm

re: #43 Kragar

We recently went without janitors at our building for a few weeks because again, we couldn’t get any with a secret clearance.

This is why engineers should have a wide range of talents.

No sarc.

48 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:18:17pm
49 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:19:19pm

re: #35 neilk

yes, I believe he actually had top secret clearance. At any rate, it would be madness to have a technician without clearance work on a computer used for classified material.

top secret is still pretty low. and the IT guys who work on computers don’t have to have the same level of clearance as the “owner” of the device.

50 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:20:09pm

re: #42 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Was was the classification level of the powerpoint he leaked?

No clue. It looks like a basic overview, so it could have been sent to someone’s email. Hell, it might not even been considered classified, just sensitive and be “For Official Use Only”.

51 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:20:12pm

re: #46 erik_t

Does it have one of the new cover sheets for the TPS reports? Have you seen the memo about that?

/

52 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:20:16pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Ah it’s come to my attention that today is Gene Wilder’s 80th birthday. Happy Birthday Gene/Dr. Fronkensteen/Waco Kid/ Leo Bloom/Willy Wonka and others. And thanks for all the laughs.

Mr. Gilda Radnor!!!

53 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:21:53pm

re: #52 FemNaziBitch

Mr. Gilda Radnor!!!

Yep. Knew I was forgetting something.

54 neilk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:22:29pm

re: #42 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The slides that were published say TOP SECRET//SI//ORCON//NOFORN.

55 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:22:30pm

So far, there has been zero concrete evidence that Snowden ever had access to actual classified NSA information..

56 stabby  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:24:09pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Ah it’s come to my attention that today is Gene Wilder’s 80th birthday. Happy Birthday Gene/Dr. Fronkensteen/Waco Kid/ Leo Bloom/Willy Wonka and others. And thanks for all the laughs.

I’m in love with him and Gilda. I’m so sad that they passed. ;_;

57 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:24:50pm

re: #56 stabby

I’m in love with him and Gilda. I’m so sad that they passed. ;_;

Gene is still with us.

58 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:26:01pm

re: #56 stabby

I’m in love with him and Gilda. I’m so sad that they passed. ;_;

Gene’s still alive. Gilda passed away a while back though. A great couple though. I really need to watch the original Producers again. That’s probably still my personal favorite Brooks/Wilder film.

59 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:26:45pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Gene’s still alive. Gilda passed away a while back though. A great couple though. I really need to watch the original Producers again. That’s probably still my personal favorite Brooks/Wilder film.

I have to stay with Young Frankenstein.

60 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:26:54pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Gene’s still alive. Gilda passed away a while back though. A great couple though. I really need to watch the original Producers again. That’s probably still my personal favorite Brooks/Wilder film.

It has the advantage of having Zero Mostel.

61 Minor_L  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:27:45pm

Gosh, no one could have anticipated that Republicans would suddenly care about the 4th amendment when there’s a Democrat in office.

62 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:28:04pm

re: #60 GeneJockey

It has the advantage of having Zero Mostel.

He has so many great lines in that one. Kenneth Mars, later Inspector Kemp in Young Frankenstein is also awesome as Liebkind.
“And you can call me Leo.”
“I already have.”

63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:29:27pm

re: #59 Kragar

I have to stay with Young Frankenstein.

YF, BS, and TP are all great but I guess I am a sucker for The Producers because I always enjoy a good Nazi bashing and besides I remember my Dad singing Springtime for Hitler and feeling like I had to see the movie that it was from. I didn’t like the remake as much. I don’t mind Matthew Broderick and Nathan Lane but they weren’t Zero and Gene.

64 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:30:49pm
65 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:31:10pm

re: #59 Kragar

I have to stay with Young Frankenstein.

close second, I read that it was Wilder’s screenplay behind it

66 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:31:27pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

YF, BS, and TP are all great but I guess I am a sucker for The Producers because I always enjoy a good Nazi bashing and besides I remember my Dad singing Springtime for Hitler and feeling like I had to see the movie that it was from. I didn’t like the remake as much. I don’t mind Matthew Broderick and Nathan Lane but they weren’t Zero and Gene.

“Congratulations! You now own 20% of ‘Prisoners of Love’”

Prisoners of love, Blue skies above, Can’t keep our hearts in jail!

67 stabby  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:31:58pm

Wow, I thought Gene Wilder died a few years ago. I wonder who told me he did.

68 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:32:24pm

re: #65 Sol Berdinowitz

close second, I read that it was Wilder’s screenplay behind it

IF anything YF is a wonderful tribute to the original James Whale film of 1931. From what I recall, they used the same castle interior for filming.

69 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:32:51pm

re: #67 stabby

Wow, I thought Gene Wilder died a few years ago. I wonder who told me he did.

Some guy named Snowden. See, you can’t trust a thing he says.
//

70 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:32:58pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

YF, BS, and TP are all great but I guess I am a sucker for The Producers because I always enjoy a good Nazi bashing and besides I remember my Dad singing Springtime for Hitler and feeling like I had to see the movie that it was from. I didn’t like the remake as much. I don’t mind Matthew Broderick and Nathan Lane but they weren’t Zero and Gene.

I kept thinking this was in the Producers, turns out it was in “To be or not to be”

“I don’t want war! All I want is peace…peace…peace…!
A little piece of Poland,
A little piece of France,
A little piece of Austria
And Hungary, perchance!
A little slice of Turkey
And all that that entails,
And then a bit of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales!”

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:34:12pm

re: #70 Kragar

I kept thinking this was in the Producers, turns out it was in “To be or not to be”

I even saw “The Producers” in German on German TV…but the musical numbers were not dubbed, especially the line “Don’t be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi Party!”

72 stabby  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:36:08pm

I googled to see if there was a rumor of his death a few years ago.

Found this page. bizarrocomics.com

73 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:36:12pm
74 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:36:42pm

re: #66 GeneJockey

“Congratulations! You now own 20% of ‘Prisoners of Love’”

Prisoners of love, Blue skies above, Can’t keep our hearts in jail!

“So what? What did it get me? I’m wearing a cardboard belt.” i also as a lit affectionado like the scene where they’re reading over play ideas and Max throws away the Kafka’s Metamorphosis. Leo of course himself is the name sake of Joyce’s protagonist in Ulysses.

75 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:36:44pm
76 erik_t  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:37:44pm

re: #75 Gus

All the orange sank to the bottom news-scroll bar.

77 stabby  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:37:55pm

re: #71 Sol Berdinowitz

I was born in Dusseldorf and that is why they call me Rolph.

78 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:38:56pm

re: #75 Gus

John’s looking more flesh-toned today.

79 stabby  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:39:35pm

I really want Mel Brooks to come out with an off-broadway “Blazing Saddles” He says he’s toying with that

80 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:39:42pm

THAT’S OUR HITLER!

81 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:40:56pm

“Did you ever think you’d find yourself loving a play called “Springtime for Hitler?”

82 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:41:33pm

re: #75 Gus

It’s the Socky McSockpuppet convergence. But I thought Boehner was more orange than that.

83 stabby  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:41:36pm

Heil me, baby!

84 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:41:41pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts want Snowden to reveal Obama’s college transcripts and passport details.

And his actual birth certificate.

85 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:42:24pm

Well, this certainly explains a lot:

Des Moines, currently the capital of Iowa, takes its name from the nearby Des Moines River, which was christened by the French explorers Marquette and Joliet specifically because they liked how French the name sounded. You see, during their travels, Marquette and Joliet encountered the Peoria tribe and asked them what the name of the river was. The Peoria told them “Moingoana,” which kind of sounds like “moines,” the French word for “monks.” So they took to calling the river “les Moines,” which eventually became “Des Moines,” which eventually became the capital of Iowa.

The problem is, “Moingoana” means “shitface.” And nobody bothered to check up on that, ever, at any point. Considering how the colonization of America went down in general, it isn’t too surprising that deciphering the meaning behind a Native American phrase wasn’t high on anyone’s list of priorities, but you’d think somebody would’ve at least thumbed through a pocket translator before slapping the name on their capital city.

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:43:47pm

I’ve figured out Snowden’s salary discrepancy:
unreported “tip” income…

87 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:44:50pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve figured out Snowden’s salary discrepancy:
unreported “tip” income…

I hope the IRS nails his ass for that…

88 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:46:01pm

Bush tracked foreigners who were communicating with Americans. Obama is tracking Americans talking to Americans

so you’re saying that it was bush who starting the practice of spying on the communications of americans

got it

89 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:46:02pm

re: #85 Kragar

Well, this certainly explains a lot:

So Des Moines basically means The Shitfaces. Well that’s somewhat better than naming everything in sight after Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis I suppose.

90 allegro  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:48:07pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

So Des Moines basically means The Shitfaces. Well that’s somewhat better than naming everything in sight after Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis I suppose.

Put ‘em together and they’re Shitfaced Monks.

91 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:48:36pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

So Des Moines basically means The Shitfaces. Well that’s somewhat better than naming everything in sight after Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis I suppose.

Steve King (R-Shitface)

92 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:48:36pm

re: #90 allegro

Put ‘em together and they’re Shitfaced Monks.

Ah Friday night in the Connemara abbey.

93 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:48:52pm

Recap.

94 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:49:42pm

re: #91 Kragar

Steve King (R-Shitface)

Heh too bad he’s actually from Western Iowa because that describes him to a tee.

95 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:50:38pm

and here i thought snowden was bleeding to death in a plane over italy

96 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:50:39pm

re: #93 Gus

Recap.

I hate British Nazis.

97 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:50:53pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Heh too bad he’s actually from Western Iowa because that describes him to a tee.

Yunno, they misread the form on my latest pasport renewal application and have my state of birth listed as Iowa instead of Indiana…until now it made little difference to me, but now I gotta change it!

98 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:51:18pm

re: #79 stabby

I really want Mel Brooks to come out with an off-broadway “Blazing Saddles” He says he’s toying with that

I’m of two minds about that. I’m not sure how you could ever come close to the original. And a lot of why it works is when it came out, in the early 1970s, after decades of sanitized, all white, cookiecutter Westerns, and it made fun of all the conventions, using a number of longtime actors from Westerns.

99 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:52:52pm

Mel Brooks to come out with an off-broadway “Blazing Saddles”

the world already has too many songs about farting

100 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:53:04pm

Yesterday: “Kingdom Hearts 3 will be on the PS4.”
Today: “XBox One is getting it too!”

101 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:53:53pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Yesterday: “Kingdom Hearts 3 will be on the PS4.”
Today: “XBox One is getting it too!”

The Xbox One will never have a place in my home. PS4 all the way.

102 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:54:11pm
103 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:54:26pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I hate British Nazis.

If they’re anything like the 1.0 model, they’re bio-degradable.

104 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:55:06pm

re: #31 funky chicken

secret is quite low as clearances go.

Secret? I get a bigger background check every time I buy a gun than when I got a secret clearance in the Army.

TS or TS/C are very different critters.

105 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:56:36pm

re: #93 Gus

Recap.

Wow. Fox canoodling with neo-Nazis.

106 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:56:43pm

Wow, a cool thing I just discovered that isn’t very well-known - Twitter has analytics! Go here and log in, and there’s an Analytics menu with very interesting info breakdowns.

ads.twitter.com

107 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:56:47pm

re: #93 Gus

Really appreciate Fox’s efforts to remain neutral, above the fray. //

108 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:56:52pm

re: #93 Gus

Recap.

Tell me if my memory is working or is on the fritz.

Isn’t the EDL the Racist Organization that I first learned about right here on LGF when the great schism began between Charles and the Right?

109 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:57:42pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

The Xbox One will never have a place in my home. PS4 all the way.

The XBone is looking more and more like an overpriced DVR. Really, there’s not much it can do that other items can’t, it’s just selling itself as an all-in-one that also happens to play video games. But the PS4 can play games for $100 less and doesn’t carry all the extra baggage as standard.

110 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:57:51pm

re: #108 FemNaziBitch

Tell me if my memory is working or is on the fritz.

Isn’t the EDL the Racist Organization that I first learned about right here on LGF when the great schism began between Charles and the Right?

That’s correct.

111 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:58:06pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Heh too bad he’s actually from Western Iowa because that describes him to a tee.

Its Iowa, same difference.
/

112 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:58:14pm

re: #108 FemNaziBitch

Tell me if my memory is working or is on the fritz.

Isn’t the EDL the Racist Organization that I first learned about right here on LGF when the great schism began between Charles and the Right?

The EDL are “racial realists” who simply want to return England to ist former respected status as a major world power, where the colonials knew their place, as did the lower classes of white people…

/

113 erik_t  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:58:40pm

re: #104 William Barnett-Lewis

Secret? I get a bigger background check every time I buy a gun than when I got a secret clearance in the Army.

TS or TS/C are very different critters.

Secret seemed to be an exercise in how-long-can-you-fill-in-boxes-before-you-get-a-hand-cramp.

Maybe today it’s all easy and brisk and electron— hahaha just kidding I’m sure it still sucks.

114 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:59:06pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

The XBone is looking more and more like an overpriced DVR. Really, there’s not much it can do that other items can’t, it’s just selling itself as an all-in-one that also happens to play video games. But the PS4 can play games for $100 less and doesn’t carry all the extra baggage as standard.

Plus, it won’t require an internet connection just to play it.

115 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:59:28pm

re: #108 FemNaziBitch

Tell me if my memory is working or is on the fritz.

Isn’t the EDL the Racist Organization that I first learned about right here on LGF when the great schism began between Charles and the Right?

Si. As everyone who has already answered said.

116 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 12:59:42pm

re: #85 Kragar

Peoria tribe

they were noted for their middle-of-the-wigwam views

117 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:00:13pm

re: #114 Kragar

Plus, it won’t require an internet connection just to play it.

Or require that you essentially buy the same game twice if you want to lend it out. It’s almost like Sony took everything that Microsoft promised last month and said “Okay, let’s do the exact opposite.”

118 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:01:03pm

re: #112 Sol Berdinowitz

Actually, more than a few of them are outright neo-Nazis.

119 Big Steve  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:01:23pm

re: #3 Kragar

Who are you going to trust? A 29 year old loser who ran away to Hong Kong after stealing info or professionals with years of experience on the job?

Years ago I was leading SAP implementation at a large company. As team leads we were given broad access into SAP but it was not complete access. One day I noticed that my access had changed and I could look at all company data including HR. I called the IT guy in charge of security and with me on the phone he checked my account and swore up and down that nothing had changed and I was mistaken about my access. I then looked up his HR information and calmly told him his salary, what his last raise amount had been. This shut him up and after an hour he called back and had found the problem.

120 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:02:07pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Actually, more than a few of them are outright neo-Nazis.

“racial ultra-realists”, then

/

121 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:02:53pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Actually, more than a few of them are outright neo-Nazis.

What, they’re not racist enough to be real Nazis?

122 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:03:00pm

Man Rapes Unconscious Woman to ‘Save Her Life,’ Like That’s a Thing

Well, this is awful: 50-year-old Rodger William Kelly in St. George, Utah found his 29-year-old female neighbor unconscious on his front porch. In an attempt to “warm her,” he tried to have sexual intercourse with her. That is not how it works. Ever.

123 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:03:07pm

re: #102 wrenchwench


Frankly though, I don’t want NCC-1701E, or D, C, B, or even A.

I just want N-C-C—- 1… 7… 0…. 1… Is that too much to ask for? /Scotty

124 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:03:18pm

One thing this whole incident shows perfectly:

The biggest threat to any computer network are the people using it.

125 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:04:09pm

Glenn Beck’s teary-eyed silent monologue: ‘My vocal chords [sic] are paralyzed’ - See more at: rawstory.com

126 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:04:27pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

If you’ve got ABP or other ad-blocking services active, you wont be able to access.

127 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:04:44pm

re: #123 lawhawk

Frankly though, I don’t want NCC-1701E, or D, C, B, or even A.

I just want N-C-C—- 1… 7… 0…. 1… Is that too much to ask for? /Scotty

I have a pin that says that.

Are you jealous?

128 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:04:55pm

re: #125 FemNaziBitch

Glenn Beck’s teary-eyed silent monologue: ‘My vocal chords [sic] are paralyzed’ - See more at: rawstory.com

if only…

129 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:05:17pm

re: #115 Gus

Si. As everyone who has already answered said.

Thanks, bear with me today.

130 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:05:54pm

re: #129 FemNaziBitch

Thanks, bear with me today.

Well, don’t make any sudden moves and he may lose interest and wander off. Have you recently eaten BBQ?

131 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:06:04pm

re: #123 lawhawk

Frankly though, I don’t want NCC-1701E, or D, C, B, or even A.

I just want N-C-C—- 1… 7… 0…. 1… Is that too much to ask for? /Scotty

What if that was the same building!

132 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:06:24pm

re: #115 Gus

Si. As everyone who has already answered said.

There was another one —Vlad’s Vlamms or something.

133 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:07:02pm

re: #132 FemNaziBitch

There was another one —Vlad’s Vlamms or something.

Vlaams Belang?

134 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:07:15pm

Maybe the bigger story here is the proliferation of private contracting firms in charge of national security apparatus. There are something like 1900 firms in charge of various security functions. Why? And then there’s this which is kind of freaky really.

135 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:07:27pm

re: #132 FemNaziBitch

There was another one —Vlad’s Vlamms or something.

en.wikipedia.org

136 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:07:30pm

re: #132 FemNaziBitch

There was another one —Vlad’s Vlamms or something.

Vlaams Belang- Flemish ultra right wing nationalists in Belgium.

137 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:07:34pm

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

Youtube Video

Much too blingy for me.

138 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:07:47pm

re: #123 lawhawk

Frankly though, I don’t want NCC-1701E, or D, C, B, or even A.

I just want N-C-C—- 1… 7… 0…. 1… Is that too much to ask for? /Scotty

Youtube Video

139 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:08:04pm

re: #133 Gus

Vlaams Belang?

Yes, my mind always wanted to make puns about it. Sounds like it would be ripe for it. Vlaams sounds like it should be the another way to say schmegma. don’t you think?

140 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:08:31pm

ACLU suing Obama administration over the NSA.

Koch brothers bought the LA Times.

141 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:08:32pm

Police had been confronted by jeering protesters banging drums and demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan.

why does everything in turkish look like it’s spelled backwards?

142 stabby  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:08:58pm

I was just watching the original producers. I laughed so hard I’m crying.

143 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:08:58pm

Of course to Fox guys like that are the mainstream right to them because the European center-right is too left to them. I mean look at Merkel and Cameron, both are chancellor and prime minister and members of their country’s largest respective center-right party, the CDU and Tories respectively. Edited to emphasize that Obama has good working relationships with both of them.

144 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:09:10pm

bbiab

145 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:09:26pm

re: #134 A Mom Anon

Maybe the bigger story here is the proliferation of private contracting firms in charge of national security apparatus. There are something like 1900 firms in charge of various security functions. Why? And then there’s this which is kind of freaky really.

Well, it allows republicans to grandstand in public hearings about how they are slashing government funding, and then in closed door hearings to put money in corporate pockets. Shame shit, different day I guess.

146 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:11:30pm

#1. Star Trek’s James Doohan Got Shot Six Times on D-Day

It’s really too bad that Doohan was seen as a sci-fi engineer and nothing else, because he had so much more to offer. You don’t command, fight in, and survive D-Day by being a talentless hack, after all. Doohan was a member of the Canadian Air Force around the time of World War II and was so good at what he did that he could afford to risk his life purely for shits and giggles. At one point, somebody dared him to hop in his plane and slalom between a series of telephone poles, and he successfully did just that. That stunt earned him the painfully uncatchy title of “Craziest Pilot in the Canadian Air Force.” It also earned him severe reprimands from his superiors. Still, totally worth it, bro.

Doohan wasn’t just stunts and insanity though; he was an artillery captain, leading his men to battle during the D-Day invasion of Normandy. Doohan survived, but took one for the team. Actually, he took six for the team, as he was shot that many times in the legs and hands, ultimately leading to the amputation of his right middle finger.

Now, chances are you didn’t ever see a nine-fingered Scotty while watching Star Trek. That’s because, instead of giving the character an origin tale where his fuck-you finger was shot off in a tragic Phaser accident back at the Academy, Doohan chose to hide the amputation. You rarely saw his hands close up and, when you did, they weren’t his, but rather a stunt double. Of course, sometimes a stunt double wasn’t an option, and we got this as a result:

147 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:11:46pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Gene’s still alive. Gilda passed away a while back though. A great couple though. I really need to watch the original Producers again. That’s probably still my personal favorite Brooks/Wilder film.

re: #59 Kragar

I have to stay with Young Frankenstein.

BLAZING SADDLES!!!1!!!!

148 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:12:59pm

re: #126 lawhawk

If you’ve got ABP or other ad-blocking services active, you wont be able to access.

Good to know - they probably block ads.twitter.com because it’s also an ad server URL.

Fascinating info in there, though. Sort the Timeline Activity display by “Best” and you can see at a glance which tweets have gotten the most play. Nice to see that my custom Twitter click counters agree with their results, almost exactly.

149 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:13:52pm

re: #145 funky chicken

It costs more to hire the damned contractors in the first place. Not to mention the abuses we saw in Iraq (DynCorp and the sex abuse and child prostitution scandals, the shoddy work done by KBR, etc, etc). The government may be shrinking in size, but the private sector growth is nothing more than the privatization of our federal government. Selling it off via the back door. This is the criminal part, even if it is legal. And who owns these companies? Private equity firms. This stinks worse than Glenn Greenwald’s nasty ego.

150 Major Tom  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:15:16pm

There is this fondness of vigilantism in the Right Wing media lately…


I, of course, blame Hollywood and those superhero movies.//

151 erik_t  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:15:35pm

re: #146 Kragar

#1. Star Trek’s James Doohan Got Shot Six Times on D-Day

So he couldn’t do the Vulcan hand thing. Ironic.

152 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:15:38pm

re: #149 A Mom Anon

It costs more to hire the damned contractors in the first place. Not to mention the abuses we saw in Iraq (DynCorp and the sex abuse and child prostitution scandals, the shoddy work done by KBR, etc, etc). The government may be shrinking in size, but the private sector growth is nothing more than the privatization of our federal government. Selling it off via the back door. This is the criminal part, even if it is legal. And who owns these companies? Private equity firms. This stinks worse than Glenn Greenwald’s nasty ego.

The worse part, as with the noted sex abuse and child prostitution, is that it ultimately gets blamed by those who wish to “shrink” the government, on the department that’s responsible for contracting all this shit out. Which ultimately provides them even more incentive to keep it under wraps.

153 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:16:12pm

re: #151 erik_t

So he couldn’t do the Vulcan hand thing. Ironic.

Nor could he play the bagpipes at Spock’s funeral…

154 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:17:03pm

re: #151 erik_t

But he invented Klingonese.

155 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:17:26pm

re: #151 erik_t

So he couldn’t do the Vulcan hand thing. Ironic.

It seems tragic that Scotty couldn’t give someone the finger.

156 Slap  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:17:51pm

re: #147 Vicious Babushka

re: #59 Kragar

BLAZING SADDLES!!!1!!!!

Hard for me to choose — YF is absolutely the top for me (it was Bride of Frankenstein’s sets that were used, IIRC) because it’s so perfect. But I absolutely adore High Anxiety, also.

One constant in both YF and the original Producers was the brilliant and wonderful Kenneth Mars, who has my favorite Producers line:

“Not many people know zis, but ze fuhrer vas an EGGcellent dancer….”

157 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:19:20pm

re: #154 lawhawk

But he invented Klingonese.

And did a number of voices in the Original Series as well as the Animated Series.

158 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:19:21pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Vlaams Belang- Flemish ultra right wing nationalists in Belgium.

and i am willing to bet that the brabantish speakers say nasty things about the limburgish speakers

159 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:19:34pm
160 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:20:16pm

re: #156 Slap

Hard for me to choose — YF is absolutely the top for me (it was Bride of Frankenstein’s sets that were used, IIRC) because it’s so perfect. But I absolutely adore High Anxiety, also.

One constant in both YF and the original Producers was the brilliant and wonderful Kenneth Mars, who has my favorite Producers line:

“Not many people know zis, but ze fuhrer vas an EGGcellent dancer….”

What I love about Mars’ character in YF is his German accent is too thick for even the other German speaking characters to understand. Good bit of accuracy too. Yes Transylvania is in Romania but there were a ton of German speakers there. Teri Garr was beautiful in that movie. Inga man.

161 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:21:18pm

False alarm on the Koch/LA Times news.

162 Slap  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:23:47pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

What I love about Mars’ character in YF is his German accent is too thick for even the other German speaking characters to understand. Good bit of accuracy too. Yes Transylvania is in Romania but there were a ton of German speakers there. Teri Garr was beautiful in that movie. Inga man.

What?

“Vollovwink inhis vadderz foodschtops!foodschtops! “

“Oh, FOOTSTEPS….”

163 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:24:26pm

re: #99 engineer cat

Mel Brooks to come out with an off-broadway “Blazing Saddles”

the world already has too many songs about farting

They’d do it for Randolph Scott though!

164 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:25:19pm

re: #154 lawhawk

But he invented Klingonese.

One Klingon speaker, d’Armond Speers raised his son Alec to speak Klingon as a first language, whilst the boy’s mother communicated with him in English.[13] Alec rarely responded to his father in Klingon, although when he did his pronunciation was “excellent”. After Alec’s fifth birthday Speers reported that his son eventually stopped responding to him when spoken to in Klingon as he clearly did not enjoy it, so Speers switched to English

165 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:26:04pm

re: #164 engineer cat

One Klingon speaker, d’Armond Speers raised his son Alec to speak Klingon as a first language, whilst the boy’s mother communicated with him in English.[13] Alec rarely responded to his father in Klingon, although when he did his pronunciation was “excellent”. After Alec’s fifth birthday Speers reported that his son eventually stopped responding to him when spoken to in Klingon as he clearly did not enjoy it, so Speers switched to English

Yeah I’d feel weird if I was being raised in a fictional language too. No offense to Trekkies but that’s too geeky even for me.

166 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:26:10pm

re: #162 Slap

What?

“Vollovwink inhis vadderz foodschtops!foodschtops! “

“Oh, FOOTSTEPS….”

at least he doesn’t have a minky in his rheaum

167 Slap  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:27:28pm

re: #166 engineer cat

at least he doesn’t have a minky in his rheaum

A chimpanzee minky?

168 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:27:30pm

re: #119 Big Steve

Years ago I was leading SAP implementation at a large company. As team leads we were given broad access into SAP but it was not complete access. One day I noticed that my access had changed and I could look at all company data including HR. I called the IT guy in charge of security and with me on the phone he checked my account and swore up and down that nothing had changed and I was mistaken about my access. I then looked up his HR information and calmly told him his salary, what his last raise amount had been. This shut him up and after an hour he called back and had found the problem.

I still work part-time in SAP security and it is still a squirrel’s nest in some areas even after cleaning things up a great deal in the last couple of major releases. You can get some very odd access since even now security profiles will sometimes concatenate access and give you things you are not intended to have.

169 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:28:04pm

What makes the original Producers great and superior to the remake is Dick Shawn as LSD though. I guess Brooks and the others thought in the remake that the hippie character felt dated but goddamn if I don’t love LSD’s introduction to the viewer. I also thought Christopher Hewitt’s portrayal of Roger was better than the guy who played him in the remake and Broadway production.

170 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:30:05pm

re: #168 Feline Fearless Leader

I like when you break an SAP program so hard it displays an error warning that says “Achtung!”

171 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:30:13pm

re: #161 Gus

I saw a Twitter thing about it, which means it has to be Troof. /

172 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:30:43pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

I’m listening to Randi Rhodes on the radio right now and she’s talking about these private contractors do their own security clearance screenings now. I don’t think that most Americans have any freaking idea the scope of this. Our government isn’t ours anymore, it’s kinda freaking me out here as I read more stuff. 1900 different security firms owned by private equity corporations. Yipes.

Booz Allen Hamilton’s Wikipedia page is quite the interesting read too. There’s an interesting bit about the IRS in there, related to the recent “scandals”.

173 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:31:20pm
174 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:32:33pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’d feel weird if I was being raised in a fictional language too. No offense to Trekkies but that’s too geeky even for me.

Yeah, that kind of crosses the border from “Geeky” to “Creepily Obsessive”.

175 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:32:43pm
176 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:32:49pm

re: #173 FemNaziBitch

SCIENCE ART!

The coral sculpture is too cool.

177 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:33:23pm

re: #171 Bulworth

I saw a Twitter thing about it, which means it has to be Troof. /

Yeah. But there’s been word that they’re an interested party.

178 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:33:43pm

Part-y.

179 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:34:37pm

re: #177 Gus

Yeah they’ve been connected to a variety of papers. Obviously hope none ever come to fruition.

180 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:35:49pm
181 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:36:01pm
182 Big Steve  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:36:18pm

re: #168 Feline Fearless Leader

I still work part-time in SAP security and it is still a squirrel’s nest in some areas even after cleaning things up a great deal in the last couple of major releases. You can get some very odd access since even now security profiles will sometimes concatenate access and give you things you are not intended to have.

In this case the expanded access was given in one of the sandbox versions but they would refresh it every other day or so so the data was current.

183 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:36:19pm

re: #172 A Mom Anon

I’m listening to Randi Rhodes on the radio right now and she’s talking about these private contractors do their own security clearance screenings now. I don’t think that most Americans have any freaking idea the scope of this. Our government isn’t ours anymore, it’s kinda freaking me out here as I read more stuff. 1900 different security firms owned by private equity corporations. Yipes.

Booz Allen Hamilton’s Wikipedia page is quite the interesting read too. There’s an interesting bit about the IRS in there, related to the recent “scandals”.

Yep, the folks doing the interviewing, running the background checks and doing the questioning, no longer are directly accountable. Sure, they are accountable to the agency who contracted the work out, but the agency is the one likely to take it in the neck, not the contractor. BAH made something like $5.6 billion in profit last year on government contracts, no doubt a sizable portion of that feeding back into Congressional kickbacks to keep the gravy train running. We’re running our national security by the lowest bidder.

184 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:36:22pm

re: #172 A Mom Anon

I’m listening to Randi Rhodes on the radio right now and she’s talking about these private contractors do their own security clearance screenings now. I don’t think that most Americans have any freaking idea the scope of this. Our government isn’t ours anymore, it’s kinda freaking me out here as I read more stuff. 1900 different security firms owned by private equity corporations. Yipes.

Booz Allen Hamilton’s Wikipedia page is quite the interesting read too. There’s an interesting bit about the IRS in there, related to the recent “scandals”.

I’m not sure it ever was. Part of me goes with the idea that it is that the Gov’t of by and for the People is another of the Great American Myths that keep us all on the same page (theoretically)

The only thing we have control of is our vote. Elections change administrations and change the crooks in charge. I think the more we shuffle them around —from government to corporations to diplomat status, the better it is for the rest of us.

Our local elections are probaby the most control we have.

(excuse me, I’m having an espeicially cynical day)

185 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:36:39pm

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Naked, Pissing, Spitting Man Goes On Rampage in San Francisco.

Weirdest thing I have seen all day.

off his meds?

186 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:36:42pm

re: #180 Gus

Right Larry, that’s why all opposition parties has been banned and why all opponents of Obama are being sent to camps. Get real asswipe.

187 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:37:15pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

The coral sculpture is too cool.

The dragonfly photo is awesome.

I like the bear too!

188 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:38:41pm

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

off his meds?

Those gymnastics were impressive.

189 Big Steve  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:39:08pm

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Naked, Pissing, Spitting Man Goes On Rampage in San Francisco.

Weirdest thing I have seen all day.

The handstand tops it.

190 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:39:56pm
Another protester, Bengisu Ertek, 24, said she was alarmed when the government considered an abortion ban last year, after years of campaigning for all women to give birth to at least three children to maintain Turkey’s young population. She also criticized the government for not supporting working mothers, while introducing financial incentives to keep them home looking after their children.
191 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:40:09pm
192 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:41:03pm
193 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:41:28pm

re: #191 Lidane

“Larry Klayman: NSA surveillance program used for “pro-Muslim, anti-white, pro-homosexual” efforts”

Remind me again about all the really cool benefits for Gays under Sharia.

194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:41:28pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Right Larry, that’s why all opposition parties has been banned and why all opponents of Obama are being sent to camps. Get real asswipe.

Ya know, if Obama is to really be the worst tyrant dictator of all time, he has GOT to shut off the internet and broadcast access to all those people who have been disappeared to the camps….

195 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:41:40pm

Prudence clearly doesn’t give a shit that the NSA may be monitoring her.

196 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:42:06pm

re: #182 Big Steve

In this case the expanded access was given in one of the sandbox versions but they would refresh it every other day or so so the data was current.

That’s one way to compromise a bunch of data unknowingly.

197 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:42:10pm

re: #191 Lidane

Oh, FFS. Klayman makes the naked, spitting, pissing man in the video linked in #175 look normal in comparison.

198 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:42:13pm

re: #190 FemNaziBitch

199 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:42:53pm

Heh.

200 darthstar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:43:30pm

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Naked, Pissing, Spitting Man Goes On Rampage in San Francisco.

Weirdest thing I have seen all day.

That was weeks ago…fortunately, I drove that day so wasn’t delayed by him and his antics.

201 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:43:41pm

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Prudence clearly doesn’t give a shit that the NSA may be monitoring her.

isn’t Prudence supposed to be quiet, barefoot and pregnant in a kitchen somewhere?
//

203 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:44:15pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

isn’t Prudence supposed to be quiet, barefoot and pregnant in a kitchen somewhere?
//

No, Prudence thinks before she acts.

204 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:44:51pm

re: #203 FemNaziBitch

No, Prudence thinks before she acts.

Prudence “thinks”????
o.m.g…

205 jaunte  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:44:55pm

re: #199 Lidane

Because 1949 is exactly like today.

206 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:45:00pm

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Is it the same one they had for JFK?

207 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:45:02pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

isn’t Prudence supposed to be quiet, barefoot and pregnant in a kitchen somewhere?
//

Prudence might be a guy.

208 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:45:16pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ya know, if Obama is to really be the worst tyrant dictator of all time, he has GOT to shut off the internet and broadcast access to all those people who have been disappeared to the camps….

Yeah. Seriously. And I see now that Loonie Larry is now saying that this is an anti-white, pro homosexual, pro-Muslim plot. Doesn’t explain how the NSA director and deputy director are two white dues from Syracuse and Baltimore respectfully though.

209 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:45:42pm

Seriously, this NSA business has been like a Rorschach test for folks, with everybody seeing in it what they want to see. Show it to a wingnut and they see the Obama Admin trying to enforce a liberal agenda. Show it to a moonbat and they want to see it as a vindication of all their beliefs about Obama being “no better” than Bush. Show it to a TPer and they see a vast, grand conspiracy to institute a police state.

210 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:46:18pm

re: #205 jaunte

Because 1949 is exactly like today.

It should be! People knew their place back then!

/GOP

211 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:46:20pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

Yep, the folks doing the interviewing, running the background checks and doing the questioning, no longer are directly accountable. Sure, they are accountable to the agency who contracted the work out, but the agency is the one likely to take it in the neck, not the contractor. BAH made something like $5.6 billion in profit last year on government contracts, no doubt a sizable portion of that feeding back into Congressional kickbacks to keep the gravy train running. We’re running our national security by the lowest bidder.

And the biggest reason why it’s come to this is the vast expansion of the intelligence sector after 9/11 due to the Patriot Act. Outside contractors are simply essential to feed this giant machine, the government can’t employ enough people by itself.

212 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:46:29pm

All these “patriots” who want to citizen’s arrest the shit out of Obama for “treason” want to kiss the cheeks and pin a medal on Eddie Snowflake.

213 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:46:33pm

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Oh hell to the no. She needs to read a fucking history book, specifically what was posted around Dallas in the early 1960’s before the JFK assassination. What the FUCK is wrong with these assholes?

Not only does this piss me off, it really breaks my heart.

214 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:46:35pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

Seriously, this NSA business has been like a Rorschach test for folks, with everybody seeing in it what they want to see. Show it to a wingnut and they see the Obama Admin trying to enforce a liberal agenda. Show it to a moonbat and they want to see it as a vindication of all their beliefs about Obama being “no better” than Bush. Show it to a TPer and they see a vast, grand conspiracy to institute a police state.

Yep, totally.

215 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:47:42pm

re: #213 A Mom Anon

Not only does this piss me off, it really breaks my heart.

A solid percentage of this country flipped their shit when the old white guy lost in 2008.

216 stabby  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:47:49pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

Show it to me and I see a bunch of claims that will always be unsubstantiated, ie not much better than speculation in terms of how reliable they are.

217 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:47:52pm

re: #213 A Mom Anon

Oh hell to the no. She needs to read a fucking history book, specifically what was posted around Dallas in the early 1960’s before the JFK assassination. What the FUCK is wrong with these assholes?

Not only does this piss me off, it really breaks my heart.

I actually thought of that too. I recall reading that there were signs like this posted around Dallas in the days leading up to and on the day of his assassination in Dallas. Treason is such an overused fucking word. Don’t like a policy? OHMG IT’S TREASON.

218 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:47:52pm

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Prudence clearly doesn’t give a shit that the NSA may be monitoring her.

Not to mention that it looks eerily familiar.

John Birch Society flier from Dallas TX, November 21, 1963

219 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:48:45pm

ZOMG RINO:

220 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:48:52pm

re: #218 RadicalModerate

Not to mention that it looks eerily familiar.

John Birch Society flier from Dallas TX, November 21, 1963

Eerie right down to the obsession with the idea that the president in question is anti-Christian and pro-Communist.

221 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:49:54pm

fun link found at another blog:

Utah Data Center parody link

222 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:49:57pm

re: #218 RadicalModerate

Not to mention that it looks eerily familiar.

John Birch Society flier from Dallas TX, November 21, 1963

No surprise there. The teabaggers and the hard right today are the direct descendants of the Birchers. They’ve openly embraced everything the Republican party used to claim it rejected.

223 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:50:27pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

And the biggest reason why it’s come to this is the vast expansion of the intelligence sector after 9/11 due to the Patriot Act. Outside contractors are simply essential to feed this giant machine, the government can’t employ enough people by itself.

We wanted the government to save us from the terrorists and we wanted it fast, but we also wanted it on the cheap and wanted to “create jobs.”

224 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:50:52pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

And the biggest reason why it’s come to this is the vast expansion of the intelligence sector after 9/11 due to the Patriot Act. Outside contractors are simply essential to feed this giant machine, the government can’t employ enough people by itself.

Well, they could, as long as they don’t keep getting cut down by the GOP as “big government” jobs programs.

225 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:51:19pm
226 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:51:41pm
227 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:51:54pm

re: #222 Lidane

Lax in enforcing Communist registration!!!

228 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:52:27pm

Georgia vandals knock over monument to Michelle Obama’s freed slave ancestor - See more at: rawstory.com

229 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:52:39pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Some things never change.

230 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:52:58pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

Seriously, this NSA business has been like a Rorschach test for folks, with everybody seeing in it what they want to see. Show it to a wingnut and they see the Obama Admin trying to enforce a liberal agenda. Show it to a moonbat and they want to see it as a vindication of all their beliefs about Obama being “no better” than Bush. Show it to a TPer and they see a vast, grand conspiracy to institute a police state.

The other day, Michelle Malkin said that they issue wasn’t the NSA spying. It was Obama’s total lack of National Security credibility.

Think about that. On a day when it was ‘revealed’ that the Administration might be too aggressive in pushing the privacy envelope in trying to uncover terrorism, Malkin claims the problem is he’s too weak on terror.

Rational people do not have the ability to simultaneously believe two obviously mutually exclusive things and speak them both in the same sentence.

231 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:53:34pm

Supports Communist-inspired race riots!!!!!!!

232 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:53:34pm

re: #229 Bulworth

Some things never change.

Indeed, the more they do, the more they remain the same. And I was thinking that before I just saw FNB’s link to a story aout vandals knocking over a monument to FLOTUS’s freed slave ancestors.

233 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:53:38pm

re: #225 Vicious Babushka

Do any of you RWNJ’s accusing the POTUS of “treason” remember this poster from 1963?

True RWNJ’s will see no problem with that, they believe that Obama deserves what Kennedy got…

234 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:53:39pm

re: #226 Lidane

One would think that they’d have a good idea just what files he accessed and ran off with.

235 piratedan  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:54:07pm

re: #192 Lidane

shit that’s a lie, we already have Faux News for that

236 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:54:47pm

re: #225 Vicious Babushka

Make special note of the date that this flyer was being circulated in Dallas.

JFK was assassinated the very next day.

237 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:55:01pm

Invaded a Sovereign State!

238 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:55:02pm

re: #230 GeneJockey

The other day, Michelle Malkin said that they issue wasn’t the NSA spying. It was Obama’s total lack of National Security credibility.

Think about that. On a day when it was ‘revealed’ that the Administration might be too aggressive in pushing the privacy envelope in trying to uncover terrorism, Malkin claims the problem is he’s too weak on terror.

Rational people do not have the ability to simultaneously believe two obviously mutually exclusive things and speak them both in the same sentence.

Malkin would claim Obama was too weak on terror even if we managed to get every single terrorist in the world. She’s got a huge agenda. I’d love to know how Obama is somehow coddling terrorists when actual data shows he’s been more efficient on the subject than Bush and it wasn’t just the big one in Bin Laden.

239 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:55:26pm

Raving. Freakazoid. Nut. Sandwich.

240 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:55:32pm
241 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:55:59pm

Anybody ever watch “The Falcon and the Snowman”? It’s a really good movie about a guy named Christopher Boyce, who worked for a contractor. He sold communications secrets to the Soviets and the excuse given by the screenwriter (I don’t know how accurate it was to the real record) was a rambling self-serving rant about CIA games and America’s nuclear history. The crime he committed did nothing to redress his grievance, and I think the same thing of Snowden.

242 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:56:41pm

re: #219 Lidane

Sane members of the GOP are really trying to get out front of their fringe on this one. I don’t like Boehner or Bolton, but they aren’t stupid, or crazy. Sadly the most vocal and visible portion of the GOP is both.

243 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:56:46pm

re: #239 Lidane

Raving. Freakazoid. Nut. Sandwich.

Glenn, you were asking us why you’re made out to be a conspiracy theorist. Maybe accusing most of the world of worship an obscure Pagan god is part of that. Also please see a psychiatrist soon. You need help dude.

244 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:56:47pm

re: #239 Lidane

Well I keep my Molach idol with me all the time, so I realize it.

245 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:58:24pm

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Naked, Pissing, Spitting Man Goes On Rampage in San Francisco.

Weirdest thing I have seen all day.

i guess they’re leaving the projectile vomiting and feces flanging for season 3

246 piratedan  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:58:31pm

re: #239 Lidane

what iz a lack of self realization, I haz it

247 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:58:59pm

re: #224 Kragar

Well, they could, as long as they don’t keep getting cut down by the GOP as “big government” jobs programs.

Right, because the expense would be much greater, and not just from salaries but everything else that goes along with government programs.

248 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:59:12pm

I mean you got one side who thinks Obama is coddling terrorism and even sympathetic to it, you got others who think that he’s no better than terrorists, and then you got many of the rest of us who just wish the first two arguments would get a room and listen carefully to what they’re saying.

249 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 1:59:42pm

re: #241 SteveMcGazi

Part of Boyce’s reasons to sell the info to the Soviets was American interference in Australian politics, or so he claimed.

It’s a good movie, and a very good book as well. The book goes into much more detail about the issues involved; if you can find it, I highly recommend it.

250 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:00:23pm

re: #242 funky chicken

Sane members of the GOP are really trying to get out front of their fringe on this one. I don’t like Boehner or Bolton, but they aren’t stupid, or crazy. Sadly the most vocal and visible portion of the GOP is both.

I don’t know about Boehner but Bolton implies often that Obama is sympathetic to terrorist activity, he may not be as absurd as some of these nutters but he’s just as nuts in his own special way.

251 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:00:43pm

Who the fuck is this guy?

252 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:00:54pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

Glenn, you were asking us why you’re made out to be a conspiracy theorist. Maybe accusing most of the world of worship an obscure Pagan god is part of that. Also please see a psychiatrist soon. You need help dude.

THE OLD SOVIET UNION USED TO ACCUSE DISSIDENTS OF INSANITY!!!!11!! LIBERALS ARE JUST LIKE STALIN!!1! CONFIRMED!! FACT!!!

I seriously have no idea whether Beck really believes the shit he’s spewing, or is just doing it because it keeps his audience riveted, or he’s seeing just how crazy he can go before they start to notice.

253 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:01:09pm

re: #219 Lidane

ZOMG RINO:

maybe this will be the indigestible issue that will cause the right to tear itself in two

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:01:57pm

Heads to esplode on all sides.

Booz Allen Hamilton Executive Leadership, John ‘Mike’ McConnell

ETA: Not to mention the fact that the Obama administration’s chief intelligence official, James R. Clapper Jr., is a former Booz Allen executive.

255 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:02:16pm

re: #249 Dr Lizardo

Should have known there would be a book. Thanks.

256 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:02:44pm

re: #239 Lidane

Raving. Freakazoid. Nut. Sandwich.

Glenn Beck’s fantasy world apparently is in Sanctuary.

Image: Diablo-3-Collectors-Edition-Box-Art.jpg

257 piratedan  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:02:47pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

obviously you’re guilty of inserting logic, reason and healthy skepticism into this ongoing story, can’t have that… ruins the narrative.

258 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:03:19pm

It does get you think about what makes someone turnover secrets to an enemy. I remember learning about a British spy, George Blake who gave info to the Soviets. His defense was that he never really considered himself British (I believe he was part Italian and Egyptian). Well I would retort, why would you work for the intelligence agency of a nation that you never felt a loyalty to? I think the similar about Snowden. He seems to have had a problem with the gathering of intelligence. Why work for such an agency if you’re uncomfortable with that? I know I couldn’t be an infantryman in war because it would be hard for me to fire a gun at a human being to think of a a similar analogy to that.

259 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:03:23pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Why, he’s some sort of hero.

260 dragonath  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:03:30pm

Things are turning to shit in Turkey. Reports are coming out that the government is arresting lawyers sympathetic to the protestors.

261 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:03:33pm

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Despotism

i see we are sticking to specific charges

262 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:04:31pm

Naked, Pissing, Spitting Man

but i get tired of talking about glen beck

263 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:05:02pm

re: #260 dragonath

Yeah, the police arrested something like 50 lawyers today in a courthouse.

264 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:06:11pm
265 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:06:27pm

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, the police arrested something like 50 lawyers today in a courthouse.

oooh, where?

266 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:06:34pm

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, the police arrested something like 50 lawyers today in a courthouse.

Holy hell. That’s what the collapse of a civil society looks like.

267 dragonath  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:06:35pm

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

Insane.

268 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:06:46pm

re: #259 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Never. Ever.

269 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:06:53pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

I’d love to know how Obama is somehow coddling terrorists when actual data shows he’s been more efficient on the subject than Bush and it wasn’t just the big one in Bin Laden.

It’s the same thing as believing that Marriage Equality will hasten the adoption of Sharia - it only makes sense if you think with your amygdala. If you’re capable of higher reasoning, you realize these are diametrically opposed goals.

270 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:07:21pm

Naked Pissing Spitting Turkish Protester Seeks Refuge In Hong Kong

demands resignation of his secret brain which he claims is being held hostage by basque separatists in a u.s. prison in kenya

271 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:07:29pm

re: #255 SteveMcGazi

Should have known there would be a book. Thanks.

No prob. The book’s from 1979 or 1980, and titled “The Falcon and the Snowman: A True Story of Friendship and Espionage”. Written by Robert Lindsey.

272 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:07:49pm

re: #265 FemNaziBitch

Right in downtown Istanbul.

273 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:07:51pm

re: #259 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why, he’s some sort of hero.

BENGHAZI!

274 stabby  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:08:07pm

re: #269 GeneJockey

There’s also the guy who says “Abortion is Sharia!”

He’s even cooler because he claims to be a former Muslim terrorist and he sells his pap to Baptist congregations.

275 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:08:57pm

re: #259 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

They’ll keep pressing, pressing, pressing, until…..

276 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:09:02pm

re: #274 stabby

There’s also the guy who says “Abortion is Sharia!”

He’s even cooler because he claims to be a former Muslim terrorist and he sells his pap to Baptist congregations.

He makes money off of going around and telling rubes that Islam is the most evil religion in the world, basically.

277 jaunte  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:09:14pm

“Pressing?”

278 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:09:20pm

Here’s a video of the lawyers being arrested.

Youtube Video

279 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:10:18pm

re: #276 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He makes money off of going around and telling rubes that Islam is the most evil religion in the world, basically.

I see what you did there.

280 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:11:50pm

IT’S storming where I am. Thunder and Rain.

281 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:12:40pm

re: #279 GeneJockey

I see what you did there.

So when are his friends in the right wing community going to tell him to get a real job?// Which one are we referring to anyhow? I’ve heard about a couple “ex-terrorists” who have found Christ and use that to blanket attack all Muslims as evil. It’s actually a similar tactic to what happened in Czarist Russia when Christian converts from Judaism were used to attack the Jewish religion. I wrote a little about it in my term paper on the pogroms my last year of college.

282 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:13:33pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Who the fuck is this guy?

When I saw in his profile that he fancies himself a “constitution patriot”, I read “teabagger”.

283 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:13:42pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Who the fuck is this guy?

You probably blocked him on March 3, 2009 at 9:23 PM and he liked that Ben Cohen’s and paged it so you destroyed his name because he’s still made you about being blocked. Or something. //

284 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:13:54pm

re: #278 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a video of the lawyers being arrested.

in 10 words or less, can you tell me why?

285 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:14:28pm

The Nation on Twitter just now:

Edward Snowden: One American Who isn’t For Sale.

Dear sweet baby jeebus…..

286 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:14:56pm

re: #282 bratwurst

When I saw in his profile that he fancies himself a “constitution patriot”, I read “teabagger”.

Sovereign citizen wannabe.

287 piratedan  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:15:48pm

re: #285 Bulworth

The Nation on Twitter just now:

Dear sweet baby jeebus…..

well it was more of an auction actually…..

288 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:16:12pm

re: #280 FemNaziBitch

IT’S storming where I am. Thunder and Rain.

Of course, dogs want to go out now.

289 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:16:32pm

re: #285 Bulworth

The Nation on Twitter just now:

Dear sweet baby jeebus…..

His bar tab in Hong Kong may disagree with that.

290 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:17:26pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

So when are his friends in the right wing community going to tell him to get a real job?// Which one are we referring to anyhow? I’ve heard about a couple “ex-terrorists” who have found Christ and use that to blanket attack all Muslims as evil. It’s actually a similar tactic to what happened in Czarist Russia when Christian converts from Judaism were used to attack the Jewish religion. I wrote a little about it in my term paper on the pogroms my last year of college.

I have heard of the guy Stabby refered to, but can’t remember his name at the moment. Makes a living catering to wingnut phobias about swarthy foreigners, while BEING a swarthy foreigner - “Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.”

291 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:18:29pm

re: #280 FemNaziBitch

IT’S storming where I am. Thunder and Rain.

yep. NWS is saying possibility of another derecho in western/central Ohio tomorrow afternoon as a result of the storms you’re having now. Repeat of last June.

292 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:19:04pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

in 10 words or less, can you tell me why?

For taking part in the protests.

As near as anyone can tell; they’ve all been released. The cops were basically just harassing them, most likely.

hurriyetdailynews.com

293 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:20:26pm

re: #290 GeneJockey

I have heard of the guy Stabby refered to, but can’t remember his name at the moment. Makes a living catering to wingnut phobias about swarthy foreigners, while BEING a swarthy foreigner - “Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.”

Well, there’s always money in the banana stand catering to xenophobia.

294 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:22:37pm

re: #285 Bulworth

The Nation on Twitter just now:

Dear sweet baby jeebus…..

If he ain’t for sale, I wanna know who’s covering his traveling expenses. I somehow doubt this guy had the money to be on the lamb this long without somebody picking up the tab.

295 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:23:37pm

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heads to esplode on all sides.

Booz Allen Hamilton Executive Leadership, John ‘Mike’ McConnell

ETA: Not to mention the fact that the Obama administration’s chief intelligence official, James R. Clapper Jr., is a former Booz Allen executive.

Kinda reminds me of how everybody’s financial guys come through Goldman Sachs.

296 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:24:52pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Who the fuck is this guy?

This guy:

linkedin.com

297 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:25:51pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

and this guy:

facebook.com

298 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:26:00pm

re: #260 dragonath

Things are turning to shit in Turkey. Reports are coming out that the government is arresting lawyers sympathetic to the protestors.

Looks like the sun is coming up and the action is still going on
cnn.com

299 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:27:05pm


Cool. Now they can build 12 more feet of fence!

300 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:27:33pm

Evening Lizardim. So my wingnut friends are all celebrating Snowden as a hero on my Facebook feed, driving me into a bit of a FB exile while I wait out the steady stream of derp. How go things out there in Lizardland?

301 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:27:53pm

re: #294 Targetpractice

gocurrency.com

hey, it’s not our nation’s money, so I guess it doesn’t count?

302 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:29:54pm

re: #298 Killgore Trout

Taksim Square has been pretty much cleared out; the protesters are now confined to Gezi Park, which I think is the general idea of the Governor of Istanbul - keep them confined to one area.

Things could heat up later this week - there’s a major pro-AKP rally that’s supposed to take place on the 15th or the 16th, I believe. The AKP will bring in a lot of their supporters from Anatolia to rally in Istanbul and Ankara.

The last pro-AKP rally turned out several hundred thousand party supporters.

303 dragonath  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:30:00pm

re: #292 Dr Lizardo

By the way:

In his remarks on Tuesday, Erdogan also lashed out at what he called the “interest rate lobby” after Istanbul’s stock market took record plunges following past speeches in which he lashed out at demonstrators calling them vandals.

“They are trying to prevent Turkey’s rise,” Erdogan said. “(The protesters) are being used by some financial institutions, the interest rate lobby and media groups to (harm) Turkey’s economy and (scare away) investments.”

Aktar, a professor of political science at Bahcesehir University in Istanbul, says the prime minister’s speeches are an effort to rally his religiously conservative political base in a bid to quell the unrest that’s mushroomed across Turkey.

That rhetoric is pretty damn close to the old “usurious Jews” line.

304 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:31:43pm

re: #303 dragonath

I noticed that as well.

I was half-expecting the word “Zionists” to slip in there.

305 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:32:56pm

re: #303 dragonath

By the way:

That rhetoric is pretty damn close to the old “usurious Jews” line.

The finance sector really does need to have its excesses curbed. However, if this happens as a result of populist political activity, it is hard to see how a significant upsurge in anti-semitism is to be avoided.

306 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:32:59pm

re: #300 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. So my wingnut friends are all celebrating Snowden as a hero on my Facebook feed, driving me into a bit of a FB exile while I wait out the steady stream of derp. How go things out there in Lizardland?

Had that on my FB feed a couple of nights ago. I asked them how they felt about a 29-year-old GED guy with a sketchy past and a back story that didn’t add up making more than they do in five years…and Snowden’s salary came from their own hard-earned tax dollars.
oh, and those FB friends are all raving paulbot libertarians.
I finally went to bed…by morning they were all “disappeared” from my feed. Haven’t seen any of them on FB since (and they haven’t unfriended me).

307 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:33:58pm

re: #299 wrenchwench


dammm…wish my dogs’ noses were that good…

308 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:34:31pm

re: #302 Dr Lizardo

Taksim Square has been pretty much cleared out; the protesters are now confined to Gezi Park, which I think is the general idea of the Governor of Istanbul - keep them confined to one area.

Things could heat up later this week - there’s a major pro-AKP rally that’s supposed to take place on the 15th or the 16th, I believe. The AKP will bring in a lot of their supporters from Anatolia to rally in Istanbul and Ankara.

The last pro-AKP rally turned out several hundred thousand party supporters.

Any hints of the military stepping in? I haven’t seen much aside from reports that military is refusing to help police.

309 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:35:11pm

Josh Marshall once again hits it out of the park and lays out a view of this whole mess that resonates with my own view.

The Snowden Prism

The most important section, at least in my opinion:

The Snowden case is less clear to me. At least to date, the revelations seem more surgical. And the public definitely has an interest in knowing just how we’re using surveillance technology and how we’re balancing risks versus privacy. The best critique of my whole position that I can think of is that I think debating the way we balance privacy and security is a good thing and I’m saying I’m against what is arguably the best way to trigger one of those debates.

But it’s more than that. Snowden is doing more than triggering a debate. I think it’s clear he’s trying to upend, damage - choose your verb - the US intelligence apparatus and policieis he opposes. The fact that what he’s doing is against the law speaks for itself. I don’t think anyone doubts that narrow point. But he’s not just opening the thing up for debate. He’s taking it upon himself to make certain things no longer possible, or much harder to do. To me that’s a betrayal. I think it’s easy to exaggerate how much damage these disclosures cause. But I don’t buy that there are no consequences. And it goes to the point I was making in an earlier post. Who gets to decide? The totality of the officeholders who’ve been elected democratically - for better or worse - to make these decisions? Or Edward Snowden, some young guy I’ve never heard of before who espouses a political philosophy I don’t agree with and is now seeking refuge abroad for breaking the law?

I don’t have a lot of problem answering that question.

310 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:35:15pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

Had that on my FB feed a couple of nights ago. I asked them how they felt about a 29-year-old GED guy with a sketchy past and a back story that didn’t add up making more than they do in five years…and Snowden’s salary came from their own hard-earned tax dollars.
oh, and those FB friends are all raving paulbot libertarians.
I finally went to bed…by morning they were all “disappeared” from my feed. Haven’t seen any of them on FB since (and they haven’t unfriended me).

I should totally use that on the libertarians on my FB feed that are whinging about this “dastardly affront to our freedoms”.

311 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:35:51pm

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

dammm…wish my dogs’ noses were that good…

You likely have the standard bacon dogs.

312 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:37:25pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

The military’s staying neutral for the time being.

A lot of the old generals have been cashiered and quite a few are on trial in the Ergenekon Affair, so I’d speculate that a lot of the commanding officers are essentially Erdogan loyalists; but you never know.

313 steve_davis  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:37:25pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

It almost feels like the two say “Hey Bryan/Jim want to see who can post the dumbest thing on the internet today.” “Okay!”

It’s Jimb and Jimber!

314 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:37:43pm

re: #310 thedopefishlives

I should totally use that on the libertarians on my FB feed that are whinging about this “dastardly affront to our freedoms”.

yep. I’m pretty sure the facts I gave didn’t sink in, but the gubmit money paying his inflated salary sure did.

315 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:39:51pm

re: #311 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

You likely have the standard bacon dogs.

but of course…

dogs love bacon

316 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:42:40pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep. I’m pretty sure the facts I gave didn’t sink in, but the gubmit money paying his inflated salary sure did.

Wingnuts, moonbats, both of them are the same when it comes to facts they don’t like. Bounce off like Teflon.

317 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:44:20pm

re: #316 thedopefishlives

Wingnuts, moonbats, both of them are the same when it comes to facts they don’t like. Bounce off like Teflon.

yes, and bringing up something irrefutable like Snowden’s salary being paid by tax dollars…well then they shut up and hide back under their blankies with their fingers in their ears.

318 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:45:10pm

Let me show you my lack of surprise that this occurred in Maricopa County, Arizona.

Sober driver charged with DUI… even though he had a 0.000 blood-alcohol content

319 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:45:27pm

Classic. Methinks Allahpundit is concerned about the Patriot Act/FISA.

320 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:47:07pm
321 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:47:13pm

*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*

322 erik_t  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:47:17pm

re: #318 RadicalModerate

Let me show you my lack of surprise that this occurred in Maricopa County, Arizona.

Sober driver charged with DUI… even though he had a 0.000 blood-alcohol content

(clicks through)

And he’s… BLACK!?

Said no one ever.

323 dragonath  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:48:12pm

Russian Lawmakers Pass Anti-Gay Bill in 436-0 Vote

A bill that stigmatizes gay people and bans giving children any information about homosexuality won overwhelming approval Tuesday in Russia’s lower house of parliament.

Hours before the State Duma passed the Kremlin-backed law in a 436-0 vote with one abstention, more than two dozen protesters were attacked by hundreds of anti-gay activists and then detained by police.

The bill banning the “propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations” still needs to be passed by the appointed upper house and signed into law by President Vladimir Putin, but neither step is in doubt.

The measure is part of an effort to promote traditional Russian values instead of Western liberalism, which the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church see as corrupting Russian youth and contributing to the protests against Putin’s rule.

Dark Fucking Ages.

324 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:48:38pm

Wingnut who posted the Obama “treason” poster is all butthurt now.

325 piratedan  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:48:47pm

re: #318 RadicalModerate

he was guilty of driving in Maricopa while not being an anglo

326 AlexRogan  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:48:52pm

re: #91 Kragar

Steve King (R-Shitface)

Fits, doesn’t it?

327 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:49:53pm

re: #320 Gus

Oh, please. Cruise missiles are soooo 20th-century.

328 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:50:00pm

re: #320 Gus

But Rand doesn’t have a problem with drones taking out citizens who “might” be robbing a liquor store…
got it.

329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:50:46pm

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*

ummm… he is Christian Lebanese.
But why bother with actual, you know, facts…

330 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:51:27pm
331 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:51:28pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm… he is Christian Lebanese.
But why bother with actual, you know, facts…

Yep. I’m not even going to bother.

332 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:51:41pm

re: #323 dragonath

Russian Lawmakers Pass Anti-Gay Bill in 436-0 Vote

Dark Fucking Ages.

Guess Putin won’t be extending the same asylum offer to Greenwald then.

333 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:52:09pm

re: #327 thedopefishlives

Oh, please. Cruise missiles are soooo 20th-century.

So’s Luap Nor.

334 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:52:17pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm… he is Christian Lebanese.
But why bother with actual, you know, facts…

UNPOSSIBLE! THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ARE MOOZLIM!

////

335 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:53:24pm

re: #333 wrenchwench

So’s Luap Nor.

That’s very generous of you. I would’ve put Luap Nor firmly in the 1800’s in the antebellum South with all his other Confederate assholes .

336 dragonath  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:54:15pm

More insanity:

A widespread hostility to homosexuality is shared by much of Russia’s political and religious elite. Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia’s already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled.


The State Duma passed another bill on Tuesday that makes offending religious feelings a crime punishable by up to three years in prison. The legislation, which passed 308-2, was introduced last year after three members of the Pussy Riot punk group were convicted of “hooliganism motivated by religious hatred” for an impromptu anti-Putin protest inside Moscow’s main cathedral and given two-year sentences.

337 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:55:17pm

re: #318 RadicalModerate

Let me show you my lack of surprise that this occurred in Maricopa County, Arizona.

Sober driver charged with DUI… even though he had a 0.000 blood-alcohol content

My Surprise (AZ), let me show you it.

338 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:55:45pm

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*

Never mind the fact that the “story” they link is from the Creeping Sharia hate site, and the only place where religion is even mentioned is in a comment by the author of the website posting.

339 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:56:09pm

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Prudence clearly doesn’t give a shit that the NSA may be monitoring her.

See also:

Image: JFK_Wanted_Dallas_1963.jpg

340 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:56:26pm

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

but of course…

dogs love bacon

OMG! if you like Sci-Fi and Dogs: You must listen to “Captain Chip”.

341 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:57:10pm

re: #318 RadicalModerate

Let me show you my lack of surprise that this occurred in Maricopa County, Arizona.

Sober driver charged with DUI… even though he had a 0.000 blood-alcohol content

DWB?

342 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:57:58pm

re: #340 FemNaziBitch

OMG! if you like Sci-Fi and Dogs: You must listen to “Captain Chip”.

bookmarked for later! Hubs will be skyping any minute…

343 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:59:08pm

re: #341 FemNaziBitch

DWB?

DWNW (Driving While Not White).

344 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:59:20pm

re: #325 piratedan

he was guilty of driving in Maricopa while not being an anglo

re: #341 FemNaziBitch

DWB?

Yup, and he’s been pulled over 10 times by their department during the past year or so.

345 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:00:57pm


He’s already surrounded!

346 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:02:12pm

One of my libertarian friends posted the following:

I’m really hoping this news that the Xbox One is essentially a surveillance system for the NSA cripples its sales.

Unfortunately, people are figuratively dying to invite being spied on (the literal dying will eventually happen, give it by 2020)

What the hell.

347 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:03:57pm
348 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:04:11pm

re: #343 thedopefishlives

DWNW (Driving While Not White).

ah!

349 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:05:29pm

re: #344 RadicalModerate

re: #341 FemNaziBitch

Yup, and he’s been pulled over 10 times by their department during the past year or so.

Years ago, a Conservative ‘explained’ to me that racial profiling was okay, because there’s a much higher likelihood of catching a car thief by pulling over a black guy than a white guy. When I asked him what he thought the cumulative effect of being pulled over repeatedly on law abiding young black men, he said that it was their own fault for not stopping all those other young black men from stealing cars.

350 piratedan  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:09:05pm

re: #349 GeneJockey

so in converse, that means that upper middle class white people should be audited by the IRS on a yearly basis because they comprise the bulk of tax evaders?

351 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:09:12pm

What is an instagram igniter?

352 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:09:45pm

re: #349 GeneJockey

Years ago, a Conservative ‘explained’ to me that racial profiling was okay, because there’s a much higher likelihood of catching a car thief by pulling over a black guy than a white guy. When I asked him what he thought the cumulative effect of being pulled over repeatedly on law abiding young black men, he said that it was their own fault for not stopping all those other young black men from stealing cars.

Like all the Moderate Muslims not stopping they Terrorist Muslims?

353 piratedan  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:11:15pm

re: #352 FemNaziBitch

isn’t it funny how the converse doesn’t apply to folks like McVeigh, Kaczinski or any of the people like Loughner who go on murderous rampages….

354 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:11:28pm

Keep it clean…

nerdy Madlibs

355 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:12:16pm

re: #353 piratedan

isn’t it funny how the converse doesn’t apply to folks like McVeigh, Kaczinski or any of the people like Loughner who go on murderous rampages….

Well, it’s hard for white people. You know, minorities are such a small group, they must know each other

356 darthstar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:28:17pm
357 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:28:19pm

re: #353 piratedan

isn’t it funny how the converse doesn’t apply to folks like McVeigh, Kaczinski or any of the people like Loughner who go on murderous rampages….

Lone wolves.

358 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:29:00pm

re: #346 thedopefishlives

One of my libertarian friends posted the following:

What the hell.

::facepalm::

359 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:29:59pm

re: #349 GeneJockey

Years ago, a Conservative ‘explained’ to me that racial profiling was okay, because there’s a much higher likelihood of catching a car thief by pulling over a black guy than a white guy. When I asked him what he thought the cumulative effect of being pulled over repeatedly on law abiding young black men, he said that it was their own fault for not stopping all those other young black men from stealing cars.

best not to be driving while eating Skittles then…

360 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:30:32pm

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

::facepalm::

My thoughts precisely. I’m half-tempted to reply to him and tell him he should seek help for irrational paranoia.

361 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:33:03pm

Testing a new PHP Twitter API library…

362 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:33:03pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

best not to be driving while eating Skittles then…

Yeah, no shit. The “N*gg*rization” of Trayvon Martin has to be one of the most despicable things I’ve seen the Right do.

363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:33:03pm

re: #351 FemNaziBitch

What is an instagram igniter?

related, perhaps, to pants on fire?

364 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:34:09pm

Not one, but two raving freakazoid nut sandwiches!

365 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:34:53pm

Hey!

Another fire in Colorado Springs. Denver, help us again.

366 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:35:58pm

Just saw a blogger try to argue that the yen’s weakness compared to the dollar is allowing Sony to get the upper hand on Microsoft by offering the PS4 for $100 less. Sorry, buddy, but Microsoft didn’t need help blowing off its own feet.

367 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:36:31pm
368 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:36:58pm

re: #346 thedopefishlives

One of my libertarian friends posted the following:

What the hell.

Hasn’t anyone told him that Facebook and Twitter are both NSA operations yet?

369 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:37:31pm

re: #28 Kragar

A few years back I actually got a guy fired because he came to me asking, “Hey, how do you bypass the security to set up your own private admin account on your machine?”

“You don’t.” I went to our manager and told him what the guy was trying to do. He was gone the next day.

Plenty of people take their jobs and security clearances seriously. Snowden’s abuse of privileges is a slap in the face to the entire IT community.

Bypass the EPS conduits.
Simple.

370 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:38:02pm

re: #366 Targetpractice

Just saw a blogger try to argue that the yen’s weakness compared to the dollar is allowing Sony to get the upper hand on Microsoft by offering the PS4 for $100 less. Sorry, buddy, but Microsoft didn’t need help blowing off its own feet.

Sony basically took everything that XBox said it was doing and did the opposite.

Great success.

371 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:38:03pm

re: #364 Vicious Babushka

Not one, but two raving freakazoid nut sandwiches!

Bill O has a sad.
Pink shirts and all.

372 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:38:49pm

Also, a fire at the Royal Gorge, and another in rural Huerfano County.

373 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:39:15pm

re: #370 Kragar

Sony basically took everything that XBox said it was doing and did the opposite.

Great success.

And then laid the killing blow by selling it all for $100 cheaper. Yesterday the PS4 became the benchmark for gaming consoles and Microsoft became an overpriced DVR.

374 jaunte  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:39:33pm

re: #364 Vicious Babushka

Rand looks like a visiting high school senior.

375 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:40:51pm

re: #373 Targetpractice

And then laid the killing blow by selling it all for $100 cheaper. Yesterday the PS4 became the benchmark for gaming consoles and Microsoft became an overpriced DVR.

And they managed to do it without insulting women or making rape jokes.

376 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:41:02pm

So…
The new xbox is doa?
Where have I been?

377 darthstar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:41:59pm
378 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:42:44pm

re: #376 Varek Raith

So…
The new xbox is doa?
Where have I been?

It’s $499, the Kinect has to always be on, it has to call home once a day or you can’t play more than an hour, you can only trade XBLA games with somebody you’ve listed as a friend for more than 30 days and only once, it has a 500GB HDD that’s non-upgradable, and this all comes with virtually nothing new in terms of hot titles.

379 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:43:13pm

re: #364 Vicious Babushka

arrrgggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

380 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:43:46pm

re: #378 Targetpractice

It’s $499, the Kinect has to always be on, it has to call home once a day or you can’t play more than an hour, you can only trade XBLA games with somebody you’ve listed as a friend for more than 30 days and only once, it has a 500GB HDD that’s non-upgradable, and this all comes with virtually nothing new in terms of hot titles.

Hahahahahaha!.
Way to fail, MS.

381 darthstar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:45:40pm
382 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:47:04pm

re: #380 Varek Raith

Hahahahahaha!.
Way to fail, MS.

By contrast, the PS4 is $399, it doesn’t have to be online to play games, you can play a friend’s games without needing to go through Sony, it’s 500GB HDD is easily replaceable, it spent its time showing game footage instead of pre-rendered cinematics, and other gimmicks like a camera are sold separately and not required for the system to work.

383 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:48:01pm

re: #378 Targetpractice

It’s $499, the Kinect has to always be on, it has to call home once a day or you can’t play more than an hour, you can only trade XBLA games with somebody you’ve listed as a friend for more than 30 days and only once, it has a 500GB HDD that’s non-upgradable, and this all comes with virtually nothing new in terms of hot titles.

All reasons to sit back and wait for the inevitable price drops and new versions of the XBox One.

384 darthstar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:48:40pm

I’m sticking with Atari.

385 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:51:12pm

re: #384 darthstar

I’m sticking with Atari.

Heh.

Honestly, buying a console on Day 1 is ridiculous. I’ve done that before, but never again. Early adopters usually get screwed, since you have an expensive machine with no games.

386 AlexRogan  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:51:16pm

re: #285 Bulworth

The Nation on Twitter just now:

Dear sweet baby jeebus…..

Ain’t that some bull?

Snowden seems to be whoring himself out to Greenwald and the rest of the media quite nicely at this point, IMO.

387 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:51:54pm

re: #383 Lidane

All reasons to sit back and wait for the inevitable price drops and new versions of the XBox One.

I figure the first quarter sales figures will define how Microsoft moves forward. If the XBone sells well, they’ll argue that there’s no reason to change the system and just rely upon brand loyalty to see them through. But if the PS4 looks like the clear winner, then I expect before next Christmas, we’ll see Microsoft release a “lite” version that dispenses with the Kinect sensor and strips out most of the gimmicks.

388 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:53:57pm

re: #380 Varek Raith

Also, PS4 has this:

Youtube Video

389 darthstar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:54:52pm

re: #387 Targetpractice

The $500 price tag is for early adopters to reward them for their loyalty. In October, the price will drop to $299 and all of the XBox early birds will say, “Fuck! Again?”

Apple does this with all of their releases as well. It’s a great business model, if you have enough people willing to buy a lump of shit if you put a single button on it and paint it white.

390 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:57:08pm

And this:

Youtube Video

:D

391 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:57:50pm

Swanson: ‘Women Do Not Love Their Children’ and Society is Coming to an End

Kevin Swanson and Dave Buehner of Generations Radio issued a grim prediction for the future of the family last week. The pair cited the results of the recent Pew Social Trends Survey on the rise of “breadwinner moms” as evidence that “women care less about their children” than men do.

Swanson easily explained this apathy. For more than half a century, he said, the “feminist zeitgeist” has been berating women with the message, “You do not love your children, you kill your children,” and, “You get out of that house, you do not raise your children.”

What’s the takeaway message? “Women do not love their children as they used to,” and it’s all Margaret Sanger’s fault.

392 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:58:12pm

re: #388 ProTARDISLiberal

Also, PS4 has this:

[Embedded content]

Square Enix announced that KH3 is going to be on both consoles. Which will be interesting, as the previous two major games were Sony exclusives.

393 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:59:52pm
394 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 3:59:57pm

re: #390 ProTARDISLiberal

And looking at that trailer closer, I have a comment.

Remake VII & VIII on that engine.

395 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:00:49pm

re: #392 Targetpractice

Square Enix announced that KH3 is going to be on both consoles. Which will be interesting, as the previous two major games were Sony exclusives.

AKA “Hey, Xbox, we’re giving you our game so you won’t be able to cry about different titles when we beat you into dust.”

396 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:00:57pm

re: #393 FemNaziBitch

***grrr***

Makes you want to slap them, don’it?

397 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:01:43pm

re: #395 Kragar

AKA “Hey, Xbox, we’re giving you our game so you won’t be able to cry about different titles when we beat you into dust.”

More like suits from Microsoft showed up at Square Enix’s HQ and said “Look at this briefcase full of money. It would be a shame if we ‘lost’ it here, wink wink.”

398 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:02:31pm

re: #391 Kragar

Swanson: ‘Women Do Not Love Their Children’ and Society is Coming to an End

It’s like they think all those “Breadwinner Moms” had the choice to stay home barefoot and pregnant, and weren’t simply trying to keep a roof over their children’s heads, clothes on their backs, and food in their bellies.

Nothing says “I love my kids” more than naked, hungry waifs living in the street, whose Mother is showing her love by not working.
//

399 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:02:38pm

re: #391 Kragar

Swanson: ‘Women Do Not Love Their Children’ and Society is Coming to an End

My mom has worked her whole life and is also suffocatingly loving.

400 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:02:47pm

re: #394 ProTARDISLiberal

And looking at that trailer closer, I have a comment.

Remake VII & VIII on that engine.

This.
This.
Also.
This.

401 Joanne  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:04:27pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

It does get you think about what makes someone turnover secrets to an enemy. I remember learning about a British spy, George Blake who gave info to the Soviets. His defense was that he never really considered himself British (I believe he was part Italian and Egyptian). Well I would retort, why would you work for the intelligence agency of a nation that you never felt a loyalty to? I think the similar about Snowden. He seems to have had a problem with the gathering of intelligence. Why work for such an agency if you’re uncomfortable with that? I know I couldn’t be an infantryman in war because it would be hard for me to fire a gun at a human being to think of a a similar analogy to that.

I ask the same about Cruz, Paul (both), McConnell, and several others daily.

402 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:05:46pm

re: #398 GeneJockey

It’s like they think all those “Breadwinner Moms” had the choice to stay home barefoot and pregnant, and weren’t simply trying to keep a roof over their children’s heads, clothes on their backs, and food in their bellies.

Nothing says “I love my kids” more than naked, hungry waifs living in the street, whose Mother is showing her love by not working.
//

It’s more their belief in an obsolete family dynamic, namely of the father being the sole breadwinner and the mother being June Cleaver, staying home and working all day in pearls and high heels to keep hubby fat and happy. Of course, they don’t want to go back to other policies of that time period, like paying people wages high enough to raise a family of four on. Can’t be blaming Free Market Jesus for the rise of latchkey kids and single parent households.

403 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:05:49pm

Black Forest situation is nasty. Fortunately, unlike Waldo Canyon last year, it is unlikely to burn toward Colorado Springs. Prevailing winds and all that.

Though one of our neighbors flicked a cigarette in our yard.

404 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:06:28pm
405 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:08:12pm

re: #398 GeneJockey

It’s like they think all those “Breadwinner Moms” had the choice to stay home barefoot and pregnant, and weren’t simply trying to keep a roof over their children’s heads, clothes on their backs, and food in their bellies.

Nothing says “I love my kids” more than naked, hungry waifs living in the street, whose Mother is showing her love by not working.
//

Showing their love by staying alive and healthy in order to actually raise their children.

406 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:08:53pm

re: #399 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

My mom has worked her whole life and is also suffocatingly loving.

You must be mistaken, she has you brainwashed

407 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:09:44pm

re: #402 Targetpractice

It’s more their belief in an obsolete family dynamic, namely of the father being the sole breadwinner and the mother being June Cleaver, staying home and working all day in pearls and high heels to keep hubby fat and happy. Of course, they don’t want to go back to other policies of that time period, like paying people wages high enough to raise a family of four on. Can’t be blaming Free Market Jesus for the rise of latchkey kids and single parent households.

And of course, they championed the policies that have made that family dynamic impossible for more and more families by constantly favoring capital over labor, and the rich over everyone else.

408 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:09:59pm
409 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:10:34pm

re: #408 Gus

XD

410 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:11:56pm

re: #408 Gus

totally cute.
full disclosure: I have always loved Tigger…and Pooh is adorbs.

411 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:12:32pm

Breaking! The USA “might” become a tyranny. Just forget about women’s suffrage, civil rights, slavery, segregation, etc, etc, etc.

412 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:12:48pm

re: #408 Gus

I never thought of Obama as “Bouncy,bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun!”

Or,

“Hey, the new sheriff is a Ti-BONG!”

413 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:13:38pm

re: #412 GeneJockey

I never thought of Obama as “Bouncy,bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun!”

Or,

“Hey, the new sheriff is a Ti-BONG!”

Sounds like a personal problem.
/

414 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:13:42pm

re: #403 ProTARDISLiberal

Even though we don’t know who did it, I’m trying to get my parents to report it to the police.

415 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:13:44pm

re: #401 Joanne

I ask the same about Cruz, Paul (both), McConnell, and several others daily.

You mean why work for the government when you profess to hate it? Yeah I don’t either.

416 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:15:22pm

re: #391 Kragar

Swanson: ‘Women Do Not Love Their Children’ and Society is Coming to an End

Funny my mother was working before and after I was born and I can tell she loves me and my brother. Projection thy name is Swanson. Still amazed that some people want to have this conversation but if Swanson insists on being a retrograde dinosaur, I say please proceed.

417 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:18:55pm

The country where Jim Crow was once common place is now worried it might become a tyranny because of elaborate data mining scheme run by the NSA with oversight from executive, legislative, and judiciary.

418 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:20:26pm

re: #417 Gus

The country where Jim Crow was once common place is now worried it might become a tyranny because of elaborate data mining scheme run by the NSA with oversight from executive, legislative, and judiciary.

The FEMA Killbots, man!

419 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:20:37pm

Me having FB, I am a fan of Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, and Doctor Who things.

There is some cross-pollination going on between the fandoms.

420 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:20:37pm

Women couldn’t vote. Blacks couldn’t vote. But NOW we are entering the dark ages. Because, megadata.

421 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:21:23pm

re: #385 Lidane

Heh.

Honestly, buying a console on Day 1 is ridiculous. I’ve done that before, but never again. Early adopters usually get screwed, since you have an expensive machine with no games.

You are quite correct. Generally speaking, anything with the name “Nintendo” is quite durable. I’ve only ever had to replace one Nintendo console and that was a DS lite that developed a touch screen issue. I still have an original NES, Super NES, Grey Gameboy, Nintendo 64, Wii and 3DS that all work like a charm. Having had experience with all three companies, Nintendo gets my vote for building good products. I’ve been through several PS2s and three Xbox 360s.

Gamers will recall the early issues with the Xbox 360 (Red ring of death) and PS3 (yellow light of death). It took both Sony and MS several console revisions to get things working well, although MS needed quite a few more than Sony did. It really wasn’t until the most recent black slim models that MS finally got the 360 right.

422 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:22:10pm

re: #419 ProTARDISLiberal

Me having FB, I am a fan of Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, and Doctor Who things.

There is some cross-pollination going on between the fandoms.

An Epic Dr. Who RPG with a Mickey Mouse cameo?

423 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:22:23pm

I’m fine with Obama reading my email. Half of it is from him anyway.

424 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:23:16pm

re: #420 Gus

Women couldn’t vote. Blacks couldn’t vote. But NOW we are entering the dark ages. Because, megadata.

Sounds like something from Transformers.

425 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:25:42pm
426 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:25:44pm

re: #422 Eclectic Cyborg

No this.

Only FFVIII is really anything near Doctor Who.

Otherwise, we have great tastes that don’t go together.

Like Dogs and Fire.

427 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:26:15pm

re: #423 Velvet Elvis

I’m fine with Obama reading my email. Half of it is from him anyway.

He can take all those damned loans I’m preapproved for.
;)

428 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:26:39pm
429 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:26:52pm

re: #424 Eclectic Cyborg

Sounds like something from Transformers.

Megadata of Doom or Megadata of Death!

430 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:28:13pm

Canadiana Pharmacy!

Lol, stupid spam.

431 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:29:11pm

re: #411 Gus

Breaking! The USA “might” become a tyranny. Just forget about women’s suffrage, civil rights, slavery, segregation, etc, etc, etc.

I Know it’s going to be difficult to grasp, yet it’s true. I just posted something.

ROBERT REICH: Red States More Extreme- How America Is Splitting Apart W/O Bothering With Civil War

I’m felt much of the warp and weft of the web of confusion leave me as I read it.

432 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:29:53pm

re: #414 ProTARDISLiberal

Even though we don’t know who did it, I’m trying to get my parents to report it to the police.

Yes, that can be a big deal in your part of the woods.

433 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:31:04pm

re: #417 Gus

The country where Jim Crow was once common place is now worried it might become a tyranny because of elaborate data mining scheme run by the NSA with oversight from executive, legislative, and judiciary.

i read something yesterday and resisted the temptation to Post. It was about our corporate spymasters —in the guise of IT specialists in the Marketing Division.

434 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:31:36pm

re: #431 FemNaziBitch

I Know it’s going to be difficult to grasp, yet it’s true. I just posted something.

ROBERT REICH: Red States More Extreme- How America Is Splitting Apart W/O Bothering With Civil War

I’m felt much of the warp and weft of the web of confusion leave me as I read it.

But. Megadata.

435 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:31:55pm

re: #433 FemNaziBitch

i read something yesterday and resisted the temptation to Post. It was about our corporate spymasters —in the guise of IT specialists in the Marketing Division.

Or collection agencies?

436 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:32:08pm

re: #425 Kragar

Republican Nominee For Virginia Lieutenant Governor Misspells Own Book Title…On The Cover

Is this the War on Yoga guy? The Devil can take-over when you are meditating because you are emptying your mind idiot?

437 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:33:06pm

re: #435 Gus

Or collection agencies?

Something like that. They have more power than the government over their own data and use it to decide exactly what we will buy.

438 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:33:40pm

re: #436 FemNaziBitch

Is this the War on Yoga guy? The Devil can take-over when you are meditating because you are emptying your mind idiot?

Yup

439 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:34:12pm

re: #438 Kragar

Yup

IDIOT!!!

440 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:34:30pm

re: #437 FemNaziBitch

Something like that. They have more power than the government over their own data and use it to decide exactly what we will buy.

Oh yeah. This data will always be out there. Even they stopped the NSA all together it would remain in private hands. It would still be available to a hacker. Heck, in theory, the NSA should be able to get whatever it wants.

441 freetoken  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:35:33pm

re: #428 Vicious Babushka

I’ve been watching the ice-thickness model output from the Navy every few weeks, and while arctic ice continues to be decreasing, at least so far this year the areal extent is not below last year.

These sort of things are highly variable - it really does depend on the direction the wind is blowing.

442 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:37:32pm

re: #439 FemNaziBitch

IDIOT!!!

Plus, he’s a minister.

Who can’t spell commandments.

Think about that.

443 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:38:22pm

re: #442 Kragar

Plus, he’s a minister.

Who can’t spell commandments.

Think about that.

and, he’d point to me as an example of the truth of his idiocy!

:0

444 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:39:21pm

re: #442 Kragar

Plus, he’s a minister.

Who can’t spell commandments.

Think about that.

Graduate of Bob Jones or that one Michele Bachmann went to?

445 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:39:42pm

DERP

446 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:40:39pm

re: #445 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Like the laws that would punish me for throwing toilet paper at your house.

447 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:41:10pm

re: #445 Vicious Babushka

DERP

You know who else thinks this way? Pro-lifers.

448 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:42:52pm

re: #445 Vicious Babushka

DERP

It does, however, mean you’re aiding and abetting a felon, Glenn.

449 freetoken  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:45:23pm
450 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:46:10pm

Night Lizards, I came. I saw, I posted.

See you in the a.m.

Let the winds sow what it may.

Sleep well.

451 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:47:05pm

re: #427 Varek Raith

He can take all those damned loans I’m preapproved for.
;)

I’m bummed that all those emails from Nigerian princes aren’t Kenyan instead…

452 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:47:24pm
453 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:49:29pm

God, I wish there was another planet I could move to.

454 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:49:31pm

if all the sixteen year old girls and other young folks are reading game of thrones, we are going to be living a nation of cynics who will think life’s major lesson is ‘no good deed goes unpunished’

455 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:49:49pm

re: #436 FemNaziBitch

Is this the War on Yoga guy? The Devil can take-over when you are meditating because you are emptying your mind idiot?

same guy who says sin causes birth defects, also, too

456 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:49:49pm

So two weeks ago, Issa tells Candy that he’ll release the full transcripts of IRS employees his committee interviewed to show definitive proof that the White House conspired with the IRS brass. Today, he whines that it would “reckless” to do so and would impede his committee’s ability to continue its investigation.

457 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:51:43pm

re: #455 Backwoods_Sleuth

same guy who says sin causes birth defects, also, too

Satanic Rock music is destroying America.

458 Lidane  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:52:09pm

re: #391 Kragar

Swanson: ‘Women Do Not Love Their Children’ and Society is Coming to an End

Dear right wing,

Please proceed.

Signed,
Me

459 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:52:12pm

Is is safe to say, re this NSA fooforah, that the American public got what it asked for but not what it wanted?

460 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:52:16pm

re: #454 engineer cat

if all the sixteen year old girls and other young folks are reading game of thrones, we are going to be living a nation of cynics who will think life’s major lesson is ‘no good deed goes unpunished’

Really, I don’t think they need to read a book to get that idea. I think they are reading books to help find explanations for what they see in real life.

461 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:53:14pm

re: #459 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Is is safe to say, re this NSA fooforah, that the American public got what it asked for but not what it wanted?

The Monkey’s Paw struck again. “I said I wanted you to save me from the terrorists, but I didn’t mean like this!!!”

462 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:54:14pm


If you take that statement at face value, he’s right. There ARE situations in which immoral laws need to be confronted with civil disobedience.

But the reverse is also true - the fact that an action is illegal doesn’t mean it automatically IS noble or heroic, either.

Greenwald is very slick at leveraging this kind of moralistic rhetoric, you have to give him that.

463 Joanne  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:54:43pm

re: #453 Gus

God, I wish there was another planet I could move to.

Take me with you, please. Sometimes I don’t feel I gave a place here anymore. My country is losing its collective mind. No critical thinking. “News” organizations lying nightly. Cheering uninsureds deaths. Booing gay soldiers. Selfishness as psychopathy. Fuck!

Thankfully, Canada hasn’t lost its soul. Yet.

464 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:55:49pm

re: #462 Charles Johnson

If you take that statement at face value, he’s right. There ARE situations in which immoral laws need to be confronted with civil disobedience.

But the reverse is also true - the fact that an action is illegal doesn’t mean it automatically IS noble or heroic, either.

Greenwald is very slick at leveraging this kind of moralistic rhetoric, you have to give him that.

immoral or unjust.

immoral conotes religion, IMHO.

465 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:56:14pm

re: #462 Charles Johnson

If you take that statement at face value, he’s right. There ARE situations in which immoral laws need to be confronted with civil disobedience.

But the reverse is also true - the fact that an action is illegal doesn’t mean it automatically IS noble or heroic, either.

Greenwald is very slick at leveraging this kind of moralistic rhetoric, you have to give him that.

And whether one disagrees with a law or not, at the end of the day it is the law. Unless Mr. Greenwald is arguing that laws should not apply to men like Snowden, then he must concede that before this is all over, his source will end up either behind bars or in exile.

466 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:58:26pm

re: #465 Targetpractice

And whether one disagrees with a law or not, at the end of the day it is the law. Unless Mr. Greenwald is arguing that laws should not apply to men like Snowden, then he must concede that before this is all over, his source will end up either behind bars or in exile.

Thats the part of civil disobedience Snowden apparently wants to skip - the part where you deliberately submit to the legal system to help get bad laws fixed by shining a light on them.

I’m finding it very hard to see what’s so heroic about fleeing to China and leaving your friends and family to get visits from the FBI and deal with the fallout.

467 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 4:59:50pm

To get back to serious, not fanboying, business, we have a real big problem here in Colorado Springs. I imagine it is on the news in Denver as well.

Black Forest Fire.

468 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:00:38pm

re: #467 ProTARDISLiberal

To get back to serious, not fanboying, business, we have a real big problem here in Colorado Springs. I imagine it is on the news in Denver as well.

Black Forest Fire.

(((((Colorado Springs))))))

469 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:00:48pm

re: #466 Charles Johnson

Thats the part of civil disobedience Snowden apparently wants to skip - the part where you deliberately submit to the legal system to help get bad laws fixed by shining a light on them.

I’m finding it very hard to see what’s so heroic about fleeing to China and leaving your friends and family to get visits from the FBI and deal with the fallout.

Exactly!

470 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:01:55pm

There will be pictures from the front porch imminently.

471 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:03:07pm

Senate votes to begin historic immigration reform debate

i look forward to the watered-down mediocrity that they are likely to produce

i’m sure it will be better than nothing. or not

472 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:03:18pm

re: #466 Charles Johnson

Thats the part of civil disobedience Snowden apparently wants to skip - the part where you deliberately submit to the legal system to help get bad laws fixed by shining a light on them.

I’m finding it very hard to see what’s so heroic about fleeing to China and leaving your friends and family to get visits from the FBI and deal with the fallout.

He says he’s in fear for his life, but the best way to combat that is to make your identity public. Once that’s happened, the government killing you turns you into a martyr if the people think your cause just. At this point, running away and looking for asylum does not make him “brave” or “heroic,” it makes him look like a child trying to avoid the responsibility of his actions. He and Greenwald try to argue that what they’ve done hurts nobody, but who are they to make that determination?

473 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:03:53pm

re: #466 Charles Johnson

Thats the part of civil disobedience Snowden apparently wants to skip - the part where you deliberately submit to the legal system to help get bad laws fixed by shining a light on them.

I’m finding it very hard to see what’s so heroic about fleeing to China and leaving your friends and family to get visits from the FBI and deal with the fallout.

It’s an entitlement mindset. Entitlement as in privilege. They want to be able to commit such an act, think of themselves heroic while knowingly breaking the law while at the same time thinking “hey you can’t arrest me I was doing this for the public good” and others immediately calling for them to be pardoned. It’s rather naive. Much the way they think Bradley Manning should be pardoned. This is certainly not a mindset of true martyrdom.

474 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:04:06pm

re: #468 FemNaziBitch

This is the second time in a year.

Last year, the relatively tiny Waldo Canyon fire became the Worst Fire in Colorado History by munching a chunk out of the western fringe of the city.

June 26th, 2012 was nightmare-ish.

475 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:04:32pm

re: #462 Charles Johnson

If you take that statement at face value, he’s right. There ARE situations in which immoral laws need to be confronted with civil disobedience.

But the reverse is also true - the fact that an action is illegal doesn’t mean it automatically IS noble or heroic, either.

Greenwald is very slick at leveraging this kind of moralistic rhetoric, you have to give him that.

Hiding Jews from extermination, even if it means certain death: Noble and heroic.

Stealing a lame Powerpoint: not.

476 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:05:42pm

re: #470 ProTARDISLiberal

There will be pictures from the front porch imminently.

i want to see your pictures immanently

477 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:05:58pm

I think he hurt his cause by fleeing to Hong Kong. I know Hong Kong’s laws are a little different from the Chinese mainland but at the end of the day. It’s still part of the PRC. A regime that engages in activities like the ones he claims to decry on a much more constant basis. Greenwald’s right that sometimes illegal acts will be committed to protest unjust laws but his source did commit the law and he did flee.

478 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:07:46pm

re: #462 Charles Johnson

If you take that statement at face value, he’s right. There ARE situations in which immoral laws need to be confronted with civil disobedience.

But the reverse is also true - the fact that an action is illegal doesn’t mean it automatically IS noble or heroic, either.

Greenwald is very slick at leveraging this kind of moralistic rhetoric, you have to give him that.

Traditionally those who protest a law by breaking it or by other forms of civil disobedience have the courage to stick around and actually face the consequences.

Not run away.

479 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:09:04pm

re: #478 William Barnett-Lewis

Traditionally those who protest a law by breaking it or by other forms of civil disobedience have the courage to stick around and actually face the consequences.

Not run away.

After all it’s MLK’s letter from a Birmingham jail not MLK’s letter from Moscow.

480 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:09:25pm

re: #473 Gus

It’s an entitlement mindset. Entitlement as in privilege. They want to be able to commit such an act, think of themselves heroic while knowingly breaking the law while at the same time thinking “hey you can’t arrest me I was doing this for the public good” and other immediately calling for them to be pardoned. It’s rather naive. Much the way they think Bradley Manning should be pardoned. This is certainly not a mindset of true martyrdom.

Right. You identify yourself, you say exactly why you did what you did, you submit to arrest and trial, and possible imprisonment. And it’s not martyrdom, really. MLK (for example) wasn’t trying to be a martyr, allowing himself to be arrested and such. He was showing the depth of his commitment.

481 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:10:08pm

re: #479 HappyWarrior

After all it’s MLK’s letter from a Birmingham jail not MLK’s letter from Moscow.

MLK’s Tweet from a $600/night Hong Kong hotel.

482 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:10:22pm

You know, this whole NSA scandal is fortuitously timed to be used by Rand Paul as a right/left/libertarian wraparound issue.

Check out his latest ad:

Image: LGF095.jpg

483 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:11:41pm

re: #482 Charles Johnson

You know, this whole NSA scandal is fortuitously timed to be used by Rand Paul as a right/left/libertarian wraparound issue.

Check out his latest ad:

Image: LGF095.jpg

Useful idiots remain useful.

484 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:12:12pm

re: #482 Charles Johnson

You know, this whole NSA scandal is fortuitously timed to be used by Rand Paul as a right/left/libertarian wraparound issue.

Check out his latest ad:

Image: LGF095.jpg

Yeah and a lot of dumb lefties will think Rand’s their ally even though he’s terrible on pretty much all issues liberals should care about. And frankly, I don’t see any reason to think that Rand wouldn’t continue the same programs he now decries. Call me a cynic but we see too often guys criticize programs while on the outside looking in.

485 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:13:00pm
486 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:13:15pm

re: #466 Charles Johnson

Thats the part of civil disobedience Snowden apparently wants to skip - the part where you deliberately submit to the legal system to help get bad laws fixed by shining a light on them.

I’m finding it very hard to see what’s so heroic about fleeing to China and leaving your friends and family to get visits from the FBI and deal with the fallout.

There is another issue at play here..To correct a issue that requires disregarding of the law for the greater good of America there must be one stead fast rock to stand upon. It is called the Truth. There is no greater level of power and strength. It is the truth. Somebody said it would set you free…In every aspect of life be it politics, Media or the law. It is truth that will tower above all else.
So far Snowden has not covered himself in Glory with his stories and exaggerations to the media..He can’t make that ground up in the future.
He lack gravitius because of the Truth

487 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:13:36pm

Thing is, like the rest of Congress, Rand Paul has had numerous briefings on all these programs.

488 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:13:43pm

re: #485 Vicious Babushka

I’m worried that people take Ron Paul seriously.

489 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:13:51pm

re: #485 Vicious Babushka

Yeah the government’s going to drone a hotel in Hong Kong. Stupid fucker.

490 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:14:22pm

re: #487 Charles Johnson

Thing is, like the rest of Congress, Rand Paul has had numerous briefings on all these programs.

And they all think in terms of “how can I use this to get re-elected”.

491 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:14:29pm

re: #482 Charles Johnson

OFFS. Can’t we just give these people an island or something and make them leave the rest of us alone? I’m tired of them breaking everything.

492 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:14:59pm

re: #491 A Mom Anon

OFFS. Can’t we just give these people an island or something and make them leave the rest of us alone? I’m tired of them breaking everything.

Texas —I’m all for giving-up Texas.

493 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:16:06pm

Any liberal or left of center person thinking Rand Paul is an ally will be well to remember that Rand Paul has said that he would haev opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Anyone who’s elected official in 2013 who says they would have opposed that should be cast with a weary eye by anyone left of center or even those right of center.

494 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:16:30pm

re: #492 FemNaziBitch

We’ll have to rescue all the liberals there first. I wouldn’t leave them behind.

495 Joanne  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:16:35pm

re: #487 Charles Johnson

Thing is, like the rest of Congress, Rand Paul has had numerous briefings on all these programs.

Like McCain with Benghazi, Paul was probably in front of the press bitching while briefings were going on.

496 Joanne  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:17:20pm

re: #488 Kragar

I’m worried that people take Ron Paul seriously.

I’m more worried people take Rand Paul seriously.

497 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:17:36pm

re: #495 Joanne

Like McCain with Benghazi, Paul was probably in front of the press bitching while briefings were going on.

Wouldn’t surprise me. Rand like McCain has never met a grandstanding opportunity that he didn’t like.

498 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:18:47pm

re: #491 A Mom Anon

OFFS. Can’t we just give these people an island or something and make them leave the rest of us alone? I’m tired of them breaking everything.

Once upon a time, Robert Heinlein came up with Coventry. That was a place where you could go and live any way you wanted to if you didn’t want to be burdened by living in the mainstream society. Needless to say this Libertarian paradise wasn’t very pleasant… O_o

499 jaunte  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:18:59pm

re: #492 FemNaziBitch

Texas —I’m all for giving-up Texas.

Don’t leave me here with those people!

500 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:20:12pm

re: #499 jaunte

Don’t leave me here with those people!

We’ll give you 90 days notice.

501 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:20:26pm

re: #476 engineer cat

Up they are. A Page.

502 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:20:52pm

re: #499 jaunte

I’ve got a spare room, but I’m in GA, so you may want to rethink that,lol.

503 jaunte  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:21:03pm

I’m fleeing to Petaluma.

504 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:21:14pm

re: #489 HappyWarrior

Yeah the government’s going to drone a hotel in Hong Kong. Stupid fucker.

well, NSA has to find him first. They sure weren’t paying close enough attention in the weeks before he left…

505 Gus  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:21:52pm

re: #503 jaunte

I’m fleeing to Petaluma.

Moving?

506 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:22:00pm

re: #503 jaunte

I am headed to the Star Empire of Manticore.

507 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:22:10pm

We have this freakin’ bird that sits in the tree by our front door and starts at 3:25 am AND DOESN’T SHUT-UP ALL DAY.

I’m ready to pay a Professional Sex Worker female bird to shut him up. Geez, you’d think he’d get laid already.

508 jaunte  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:22:17pm

re: #505 Gus

No, just kidding. I like the name.

509 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:22:59pm

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, NSA has to find him first. They sure weren’t paying close enough attention in the weeks before he left…

Hell even if they did. If Ron Paul seriously thinks the US government would drone a hotel in a major city of a nation that we have an uneasy at best relationship with then he’s really shown that he learned nothing after spending years in Congress.

510 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:23:05pm

re: #507 FemNaziBitch

Is there a hungry cat in the area?

511 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:23:27pm
The ACLU’s complaint filed today explains that the dragnet surveillance the government is carrying out under Section 215 infringes upon the ACLU’s First Amendment rights, including the twin liberties of free expression and free association. The nature of the ACLU’s work—in areas like access to reproductive services, racial discrimination, the rights of immigrants, national security, and more—means that many of the people who call the ACLU wish to keep their contact with the organization confidential. Yet if the government is collecting a vast trove of ACLU phone records—and it has reportedly been doing so for as long as seven years—many people may reasonably think twice before communicating with us.

The kind of personal-data aggregation accomplished through Section 215 also constitutes an unreasonable search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment. Last year, in a case on GPS tracking by police, five members of the Supreme Court indicated support for the common-sense notion that government collection of individual bits of seemingly innocuous personal information over a long period of time could amount to such a complete invasion of privacy that it would be unconstitutional. The surveillance program that came to light with the release of the FISC order constitutes precisely that kind of unreasonable incursion into Americans’ private lives.

Finally, the ACLU’s complaint charges that the executive branch’s use of Section 215 violates the plain language of the statute itself. The statute requires that records seized under its authority be “relevant” to an authorized foreign-intelligence or terrorism investigation. But while that language imposes a real limitation on when the government can use Section 215, the FISC order covering all VBNS customers demonstrates that this “relevance” restraint is shockingly inadequate. Similarly, the FISC order shows that the government—with the FISC’s secret approval—is acquiring future records of telephone subscribers based on the same “relevance” requirement, even though the statute uses words that clearly show it was only meant to cover “tangible things” already in existence.

512 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:24:28pm

re: #510 PhillyPretzel

Is there a hungry cat in the area?

Yes, and they haven’t gotten to him.

513 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:25:17pm

Maybe I should just empty our litter box under the tree, maybe he’ll get the message and leave.

514 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:25:18pm

re: #512 FemNaziBitch

Darn. Maybe they do not like his “singing.”

515 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:25:24pm

STAY CLASSY, WINGNUTS.

516 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:25:35pm

re: #458 Lidane

Dear right wing,

Please proceed.

Signed,
Me

They got the numbers wrong.

517 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:26:03pm

re: #515 Vicious Babushka

STAY CLASSY, WINGNUTS.

Damn, does she have her mom’s eyes or what?

518 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:26:10pm

re: #466 Charles Johnson

I’m finding it very hard to see what’s so heroic about fleeing to China and leaving your friends and family to get visits from the FBI and deal with the fallout.

There’s absolutely nothing heroic or noble about fleeing to China and leaving your friends, family, and associates to deal with the fallout - up to and including FBI investigations, unwanted media frenzy, and casting a harsh spotlight on your every action.

Snowdon has done nothing to warrant the label hero or undertaken any action considered noble. He’s fled the country, instead of facing the consequences of his actions - which under current law is actionable as crimes.

There are other, better ways, to highlight the problems with the FISA system, the NSA collection of data, and how it could potentially infringe on the rights of Americans. But this isn’t one of them.

Greenwald, as per his MO, comes off as smarmy as usual - and he thinks that he’s doing everyone a great service. That, again as usual, is not true. He’s doing what he thinks is a great service for himself.

And there too he may find out that he’s wrong.

519 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:26:41pm

re: #487 Charles Johnson

Thing is, like the rest of Congress, Rand Paul has had numerous briefings on all these programs.

He also voted for them.

I was wrong.

520 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:27:11pm

re: #517 FemNaziBitch

Damn, does she have her mom’s eyes or what?

I was thinking “Man, she’s turned out to be an attractive woman, what the fuck was Rush doing calling her a dog?” Of course, it’s tacky as shit to call any woman especially a thirteen year girl a dog but Chelsea’s pretty.

521 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:27:44pm

re: #515 Vicious Babushka

This is why I avoid Twitter like the plague. I couldn’t deal with that nasty shit all the time without losing my freaking patience with assholes minute to minute.

522 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:27:48pm

re: #519 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He also voted for them.

Did he? I thought most of this legislation would have been written before he got in office.

523 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:28:07pm

re: #522 HappyWarrior

Did he? I thought most of this legislation would have been written before he got in office.

Re-authorization.

I was wrong.

524 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:28:13pm
525 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:28:30pm

re: #523 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Re-authorization.

Ah thanks that makes sense.

526 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:28:54pm

re: #520 HappyWarrior

I was thinking “Man, she’s turned out to be an attractive woman, what the fuck was Rush doing calling her a dog?” Of course, it’s tacky as shit to call any woman especially a thirteen year girl a dog but Chelsea’s pretty.

Rush is the dog. Actutally, that is an insult to dogs isn’t it.

You can’t expect class from Rush.

527 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:29:30pm

re: #526 FemNaziBitch

Rush is the dog.

Dogs are loyal and can feel love.

528 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:29:54pm

re: #527 Vicious Babushka

Dogs are loyal and can feel love.

Yeah, I made an update.

529 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:30:11pm

re: #526 FemNaziBitch

Rush is the dog.

Yep was then and still is. Really what forty two year old man (Rush’s age in ‘93) feels the need to go after an adolescent girl. Rush is a total sorry ass loser.

530 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:30:24pm

re: #487 Charles Johnson

I’m convinced that some used the briefing to catch up on sleep. Or simply didn’t or wont understand the subject matter, so it makes it even easier to make claims unsupported by the facts.

531 jaunte  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:30:32pm

re: #526 FemNaziBitch

He’s a big pink slug.
newswatch.nationalgeographic.com

532 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:31:05pm

re: #528 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I made an update.

Dogs worship me.

When I die, they’ll want to eat me.

533 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:31:45pm

re: #532 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

It could be the barbeque sauce. That’ll get ‘em every time. /

534 Mentis Fugit  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:32:25pm

re: #464 FemNaziBitch

immoral or unjust.

immoral conotes religion, IMHO.

Respectfully disagree: IM(V)HO, a moral code based on nothing but a secular observation of the Golden Rule is readily the equal of any religiously mandated morality.

And easier to follow, to boot, since there are fewer self-appointed intermediaries interpreting the rules to serve their own interestson your behalf. (Instead of becoming preachers and parsons, those people become self help gurus and others of that ilk. A menace, to be sure, but not directly to the moral fibre of the Nonfaithful at large.)

536 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:32:47pm
537 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:32:54pm
538 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:33:12pm

re: #531 jaunte

He’s a big pink slug.
newswatch.nationalgeographic.com

YEAH!

539 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:33:16pm

re: #519 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He also voted for them.

Rand Paul voted against the Patriot Act extension.

540 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:33:52pm
541 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:34:25pm

re: #535 Velvet Elvis

RFK Jr. has a sad when Slate won’t take his anti-vax conspiracy seriously.

He likened life with autism as being in the Holocaust. His father is actually one of my biggest heroes. It’s too bad that he’s so nuts. I really as someone on the spectrum resent people like that trying to speak for us when they don’t have a clue what it’s like. Yeah life with autism isn’t always easy but I would never cheapen what the Holocaust was and compare my life to it.

542 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:35:06pm

re: #533 lawhawk

It could be the barbeque sauce. That’ll get ‘em every time. /

wrapped in bacon helps, too…

543 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:35:08pm

Meanwhile, most wingnuts have forgotten about Snowden and gone back to Tweeting about the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF TEH CENTURY: BENGHAZI!!11!!11111

544 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:35:28pm

re: #537 FemNaziBitch

US Inequality Now Literally Off the Chart

But…but…but…tyranny!…high taxes!…Obama screwing the rich!!!!

/

545 Kragar  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:36:24pm

re: #543 Vicious Babushka

Meanwhile, most wingnuts have forgotten about Snowden and gone back to Tweeting about the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF TEH CENTURY: BENGHAZI!!11!!11111

NEVER FORGET!

Youtube Video

Oh, wait. That’s Fugazi. My bad.

546 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:36:49pm

re: #534 Mentis Fugit

Respectfully disagree: IM(V)HO, a moral code based on nothing but a secular observation of the Golden Rule is readily the equal of any religiously mandated morality.

And easier to follow, to boot, since there are fewer self-appointed intermediaries interpreting the rules to serve their own interestson your behalf. (Instead of becoming preachers and parsons, those people become self help gurus and others of that ilk. A menace, to be sure, but not directly to the moral fibre of the Nonfaithful at large.)

I think moral/immoral not helpful when discussing The Law. The Establishment Clause is being torn apart enough by some in their rhetoric. I’d rather not give them anything else they can use. Thus, I think, Just/Unjust are more appropriate (at least in the current political climate).

547 jaunte  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:37:27pm
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) acknowledged that he sat in at least one briefing, but said he was unaware that the NSA was gathering call data from millions of Americans.

“It’s a rude awakening to most of us that they’re collecting three billion phone records a day,” Grassley told HuffPost. “When I’ve had these briefings, you leave the briefings with an idea — you think they’re tracking terrorists, not the sweeping thing we’re doing.”
huffingtonpost.com

We need some smarter Senators.

548 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:38:01pm

re: #523 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Re-authorization.

Here the 2011 reauthorization vote. Rand was a nay.

549 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:40:10pm

re: #539 goddamnedfrank

Rand Paul voted against the Patriot Act extension.

Sorry, I’m thinking of his dad, aren’t I?

550 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:41:09pm
551 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:43:00pm
narcissistic leaker

????

552 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:43:07pm

re: #549 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Sorry, I’m thinking of his dad, aren’t I?

I’d actually think that the old man would have voted against that too. I know that he voted against the original inception of the PA. Can’t imagine him of all people having a change of heart and voting yes to reauthorize. Hell I don’t know of anyone who would have had a change of heart on that issue. It is amusing though to see names like Grassley who act like they’re so shocked at this news on the yes list.

553 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:43:17pm

re: #551 FemNaziBitch

????

Snowden.

554 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:43:30pm

re: #551 FemNaziBitch

????

He is referring to Snowden.

555 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:44:49pm

re: #552 HappyWarrior

Huh. I’m wrong a lot today. I should just get back to work where I’m actually getting things right.

556 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:45:47pm
557 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:46:35pm

re: #549 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Sorry, I’m thinking of his dad, aren’t I?

No. They both voted against it.

558 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:47:00pm

re: #555 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Huh. I’m wrong a lot today. I should just get back to work where I’m actually getting things right.

Right! Get to it then.

559 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:47:03pm

re: #541 HappyWarrior

He likened life with autism as being in the Holocaust. His father is actually one of my biggest heroes. It’s too bad that he’s so nuts. I really as someone on the spectrum resent people like that trying to speak for us when they don’t have a clue what it’s like. Yeah life with autism isn’t always easy but I would never cheapen what the Holocaust was and compare my life to it.

This.

It is incredibly sad that RFK’s son, his namesake, has moved so far into the fringe. We have an Aspie son, and like most parents with kids On The Spectrum, we’d LOVE for there to be a simple explanation and a simple cure, and someone to blame. But life’s not like that.

560 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:49:40pm

re: #559 GeneJockey

This.

It is incredibly sad that RFK’s son, his namesake, has moved so far into the fringe. We have an Aspie son, and like most parents with kids On The Spectrum, we’d LOVE for there to be a simple explanation and a simple cure, and someone to blame. But life’s not like that.

It’s frustrating as hell. I can’t stand the anti-vaxxers and ti’s even more annoying when they’re fellow lefties. I also get annoyed with some in the autistic community who freak out everytime the c word is said- cure. Or those who think our condition makes neurologically superior to those without AS. I actually left an Asperger’s group on facebook due to that shit. I subscribe to the simple notion that I am no better or worse than anyone.

561 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:49:53pm

re: #543 Vicious Babushka

Meanwhile, most wingnuts have forgotten about Snowden and gone back to Tweeting about the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF TEH CENTURY: BENGHAZI!!11!!11111

I think they had difficulty with the cognitive dissonance of lauding someone who exposed an antiterrorism program. Easier to just go back to flogging the dead horse.

562 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:51:16pm

I had to start blocking some of these wingnuts who keep posting the same stupid shit over and over and over and OVER AGAIN.

563 Joanne  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:55:42pm

re: #543 Vicious Babushka

Meanwhile, most wingnuts have forgotten about Snowden and gone back to Tweeting about the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF TEH CENTURY: BENGHAZI!!11!!11111

They realized he was making (uh hem) $200k in tax payer money.

564 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:55:51pm

re: #559 GeneJockey

I would love to get past the concept that our kids and anyone on the spectrum is somehow “broken”. My son has fought so hard to just, well, BE, and it annoys the hell out of me when that gets stomped all over. Maybe this culture needs to expand a little and come up with a new “normal”. I understand the need to figure out the how or why of autism, but it’s enough of treating people like things that need to be repaired to be acceptable.

RFK Jr should stick to environmental issues. I’m so sick of hearing about vaccines and autism I could scream.

565 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 5:59:26pm

re: #564 A Mom Anon

I would love to get past the concept that our kids and anyone on the spectrum is somehow “broken”. My son has fought so hard to just, well, BE, and it annoys the hell out of me when that gets stomped all over. Maybe this culture needs to expand a little and come up with a new “normal”. I understand the need to figure out the how or why of autism, but it’s enough of treating people like things that need to be repaired to be acceptable.

RFK Jr should stick to environmental issues. I’m so sick of hearing about vaccines and autism I could scream.

Go for it.

566 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 6:05:24pm

re: #565 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

The thing about Slate’s article about RFK Jr. is that he attempts to wiggle out of his anti-science anti vax position by repeatedly appealing to authority.

In fact, he repeatedly claimed he was right because of some permutation of the following - “don’t you know who my dad was”, “don’t you know who my mom supported”, etc., but when it is repeatedly pointed out that the science doesn’t support any of his baseless contentions, he falls back to claims that someone else has all the answers but for big pharm/government conspiracy.

He’s got bigger problems than merely being anti-vaxxer.

567 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 6:06:30pm

re: #564 A Mom Anon

I would love to get past the concept that our kids and anyone on the spectrum is somehow “broken”. My son has fought so hard to just, well, BE, and it annoys the hell out of me when that gets stomped all over. Maybe this culture needs to expand a little and come up with a new “normal”. I understand the need to figure out the how or why of autism, but it’s enough of treating people like things that need to be repaired to be acceptable.

RFK Jr should stick to environmental issues. I’m so sick of hearing about vaccines and autism I could scream.

That’s the thing - it’s not the kids who are the problem. My fear for my son is that he’ll struggle to find a place in the world, and if I could change that, I would. When he was younger, I might have been willing to accept changing him, but now? No way. He is a sweet, funny, sarcastic, loving, idiosyncratic, wonderful young man, and I would not change who he is.

568 Kaessa  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 6:22:23pm

re: #385 Lidane

Heh.

Honestly, buying a console on Day 1 is ridiculous. I’ve done that before, but never again. Early adopters usually get screwed, since you have an expensive machine with no games.

We still have our original Day 1 PS3, and what’s funny is that we didn’t buy it for games. We bought it because it was the cheapest Blu-ray player on the market at the time. I think we’ve only ever bought one game for it.

569 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 6:27:30pm

re: #566 lawhawk

The thing about Slate’s article about RFK Jr. is that he attempts to wiggle out of his anti-science anti vax position by repeatedly appealing to authority.

In fact, he repeatedly claimed he was right because of some permutation of the following - “don’t you know who my dad was”, “don’t you know who my mom supported”, etc., but when it is repeatedly pointed out that the science doesn’t support any of his baseless contentions, he falls back to claims that someone else has all the answers but for big pharm/government conspiracy.

He’s got bigger problems than merely being anti-vaxxer.

I’m finding that even highly intelligent people can be prone to swallowing the alternative medicine/Homeopathy/big bad pharma kool-aid whole. Most of them haven’t bothered to educate themselves on the process of science nor on how to evaluate a study. They hear ‘peer review’ and instead of wondering who the peers are they accept it because it follows the formula they’ve been given by people who make money off of their credulousness.

570 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 6:27:40pm

re: #567 GeneJockey

AMEN. My son is 19 now and I think he’s just awesome. The world doesn’t think so most of the time, but he’s just the best guy. Funny, smart, compassionate, caring, quirky and unique. And freaking brave as hell. I wouldn’t change a thing, even with all the struggles. We did all the work we could when he was young, speech and occupational therapy, sensory integration, all that. If someone had told me he’d love heavy metal when he was 5 and scared of light and most sounds I would have laughed at them. But here he is, teaching himself, slowly, to play a cheap, beat up guitar and trying to fit in with other young people who have that interest. Now the hard part is trying to support him and help him sort out what’s next.

571 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 6:30:40pm

re: #567 GeneJockey

That’s the thing - it’s not the kids who are the problem. My fear for my son is that he’ll struggle to find a place in the world, and if I could change that, I would. When he was younger, I might have been willing to accept changing him, but now? No way. He is a sweet, funny, sarcastic, loving, idiosyncratic, wonderful young man, and I would not change who he is.

He has a better chance now than my daughter did when she was a kid. My grandson as a high functioning autistic kid has gone through years of training that is really helping.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal
Cash.app
Recent PagesClick to refresh
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
Cheechako
Yesterday
Views: 81 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
Cheechako
5 days ago
Views: 182 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1