The Guardian quietly walks back their PRISM overreach without correcting previous reporting

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In their most recent article on the fallout from their Edward Snowden reporting, the Guardian dials back their initial claims.

Here’s what they alleged in their first PRISM article, nearly a week ago:
Guardian: NSA Prism program taps in to user data of Apple, Google and others

The National Security Agency has obtained direct access to the systems of Google, Facebook, Apple and other US internet giants, according to a top secret document obtained by the Guardian.

The NSA access is part of a previously undisclosed program called Prism, which allows officials to collect material including search history, the content of emails, file transfers and live chats, the document says.

The Guardian has verified the authenticity of the document, a 41-slide PowerPoint presentation - classified as top secret with no distribution to foreign allies - which was apparently used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of the program. The document claims “collection directly from the servers” of major US service providers.

The program facilitates extensive, in-depth surveillance on live communications and stored information. The law allows for the targeting of any customers of participating firms who live outside the US, or those Americans whose communications include people outside the US.

It also opens the possibility of communications made entirely within the US being collected without warrants.

Companies are legally obliged to comply with requests for users’ communications under US law, but the Prism program allows the intelligence services direct access to the companies’ servers. The NSA document notes the operations have “assistance of communications providers in the US”.

When the FAA was first enacted, defenders of the statute argued that a significant check on abuse would be the NSA’s inability to obtain electronic communications without the consent of the telecom and internet companies that control the data. But the Prism program renders that consent unnecessary, as it allows the agency to directly and unilaterally seize the communications off the companies’ servers.

The Prism program allows the NSA, the world’s largest surveillance organisation, to obtain targeted communications without having to request them from the service providers and without having to obtain individual court orders.

With this program, the NSA is able to reach directly into the servers of the participating companies and obtain both stored communications as well as perform real-time collection on targeted users.

Now here’s how they described the program in their most recent write-up:
Guardian: Microsoft and Twitter join rivals in seeking to disclose NSA requests

The Guardian revealed last week that seven technology companies - Google, Facebook, Skype, PalTalk, Microsoft, Apple and Yahoo - were involved in the Prism surveillance scheme run by the NSA.

The Guardian understands that the NSA approached those companies and asked them to enable a “dropbox” system whereby legally requested data could be copied from their own server out to an NSA-owned system. That has allowed the companies to deny that there is “direct or indirect” NSA access, to deny that there is a “back door” to their systems, and that they only comply with “legal” requests - while not explaining the scope of that access.

It’s worth noting the Guardian’s new take on the program broadly meshes with how Google has described their FISA court order compliance:
LGF: Google Transfers Data to the NSA via Secure FTP

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1 simoom  Tue, Jun 11, 2013 11:45:05pm
That has allowed the companies to deny that there is “direct or indirect” NSA access, to deny that there is a “back door” to their systems, and that they only comply with “legal” requests - while not explaining the scope of that access.

I like how the Guardian reporter couldn’t resist putting air quotes around “legal” as if to imply these companies are parsing words, when one sentence back he states the Guardian’s current understanding is that data was, “legally requested”.

2 piratedan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 12:28:45am

so to sum up….

we have had the “story” break…..in all it’s glory globally.

no further details from the “source”, just the original allegations

pushback from all sides, Tech Companies, The Government, former NSA Employees calling bullshit

the profile/bonafides of the source have been called into question, no rebuttal as of yet

Everybody who was already anti-government, anti-administration say it’s the worse thing since Hitler, maybe even worse than Hitler because Freedom! er, I mean privacy!

man, this all sounds so incredibly familiar, it’s as if we’ve all been through this shared experience before.

3 freetoken  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 2:32:15am
4 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 2:36:12am

re: #2 piratedan

Things are more like they are now than they’ve ever been before.

5 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 2:47:48am

Think at this point even the folks at the Guardian are beginning to realize that Greenwald’s crusade is in very serious danger of damaging more than just his journalistic integrity.

6 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:06:20am

Note to Guardian: It hurts your quest for a Pulitzer when you update stories on the sly and don’t bother to correct the massive misimpression you first gave.

7 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:11:11am

re: #6 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Note to Guardian: It hurts your quest for a Pulitzer when you update stories on the sly and don’t bother to correct the massive misimpression you first gave.

I don’t think they can hire enough Winston Smiths to accomplish what’s apparently being advocated here.

And yes, that’s a 1984 reference.

8 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:11:46am

For those that have been concerned about CuriousLurker, I got an email from her saying she’s just been massively busy, and she’s doing okay healthwise.

9 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 3:15:36am

Badges? We don’t need no stinkin’ badges!

Journalistic credibility? We don’t need no stinkin’ journalistic credibility!

10 AntonSirius  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:17:59am

Josh Foust has a very good summary of the problems with Snowden’s claims.

EDIT: Oops, that’s from yesterday… I missed the ‘ICYMI’ in his tweet this morning.

11 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:42:55am

And yet eavesdropann is still on Twitter and not in Teh Gulag fer realz.

12 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:43:37am

b4itsnews: whackjob conspiracy site

13 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:48:23am

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

b4itsnews: whackjob conspiracy site

And its sister site: aFtritsDbunkd

14 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:49:34am

re: #13 Sol Berdinowitz

And its sister site: aFtritsDbunkd

These batshit memes are like zombies, they go on and on and on even after they’re dead.

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:52:03am

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

These batshit memes are like zombies, they go on and on and on even after they’re dead.

Because they reflect a Higher Truth: that Obama is out to demolish America, that Liberalism and Progressivism are works of the Devil, that Climate Change is part of a UN plan to seize control of the world economy, that Sharia Law is creeping up on us in the form of butterball turkeys, etc…

16 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 4:59:41am

The worst part about this NSA criminal leak is that I find myself agreeing with Peter King (R-Douche) for the first time in my life.

17 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:01:02am

re: #16 Dr. Matt

The worst part about this NSA criminal leak is that I find myself agreeing with Peter King (R-Douche) for the first time in my life.

You mean you find yourself agreeing with Peter King as he criticizes something he supported until 2008?

18 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:07:07am

re: #17 Sol Berdinowitz

You mean you find yourself agreeing with Peter King as he criticizes something he supported until 2008?

From what I read he has been lambasting GG and Snowden.

rawstory.com

rawstory.com

19 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:08:15am

My comment from 6 days ago:


re: #119 Gus

“Direct” is a very small word.

20 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:13:34am

Anonymous Hackers Breach Booz Allen Hamilton, Dump 90,000 Military Email Addresses

The summer of anti-security rolls on.

As part of the spree of data breaches that the loose hacker movement Anonymous is calling AntiSec, the group announced Monday that it had penetrated a server belonging to the defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton and released what it claims are 90,000 military email addresses, encrypted passwords and an assortment of data related to other companies and government networks. It also claims to have accessed and deleted four gigabytes of the firm’s source code.

21 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:29:38am

re: #18 Dr. Matt

From what I read he has been lambasting GG and Snowden.

rawstory.com

rawstory.com

I have no problem with people practicising Civil Disobedience, but part of that also involves facing the consequences of their actions and not fleeing.

The famous Henry David Thoreau quote when he went to jail for not paying the poll tax when Ralph Waldo Emerson asked him what he was doing behind bars was “What are you doing out on the street?”

22 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:31:53am

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

And then his aunt paid the taxes and he got out of jail.

23 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:32:53am

re: #20 Dr. Matt

Anonymous Hackers Breach Booz Allen Hamilton, Dump 90,000 Military Email Addresses

We will live to see that sort of action defined in law as an ‘act of war’.

24 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:32:56am

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

I have no problem with people practicising Civil Disobedience, but part of that also involves facing the consequences of their actions and not fleeing.

The famous Henry David Thoreau quote when he went to jail for not paying the poll tax when Ralph Waldo Emerson asked him what he was doing behind bars was “What are you doing out on the street?”

What Snowden did is a bit beyond “Civil Disobedience” and will likely result in federal charges and hopefully a subsequently nice long stay in one of our many SuperMax.

25 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:33:48am

re: #22 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And then his aunt paid the taxes and he got out of jail.

Why do you hate Purotopia?

26 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:35:32am

Checking the garden/feeding the mosquitoes. BBIAM

27 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:38:25am

re: #22 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And then his aunt paid the taxes and he got out of jail.

Point is that he went to jail and did not flee to Hong Kong…

28 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:38:27am

Morning Lizards

29 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:41:27am

re: #27 Sol Berdinowitz

Point is that he went to jail and did not flee to Hong Kong…

Oh yeah, he was perfectly willing to stay in jail. He probably would have written some good stuff in there. His aunt did it without him knowing.

Anyone comparing him to anyone who didn’t flee the country is dumb.

He not only fled, he made a plan to flee, an elaborate ruse.

30 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:42:15am
31 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:49:37am

You Yankees don’t really know how to foster paranoia:


Why were roadblocks in St. Clair and Bibb counties asking for blood and DNA samples this weekend?

blog.al.com

(If you read it, this is a perfect example of a self-refuting scare headline.)

32 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 5:50:38am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It looks like Erdogan’s security forces have ended the protests at Taksim Square. It’s all over but the lingering smell of tear gas.

By midday Wednesday, a light drizzle mixed with the pungent smell of tear gas lingering in the air, but few protesters remained in Taksim Square itself. Many had retreated to Gezi Park, next to the square, that has been covered with tents and protesters since last week. The protests started over Erdogan’s plans to raze the park, the last major green space in central Istanbul, and replace it with a replica of an Ottoman-era barracks that once stood there.

When the peaceful protest against the development plans was met with riot police using teargas and water cannons, demonstrations quickly swelled and expanded to include far broader objections to what many protesters say is a creeping authoritarianism that encroaches on their freedom. Protests have occurred in dozens of cities across the country.

Erdogan, who won a sweeping parliamentary mandate in 2011 and remains popular among a conservative Islamic base, has held firm to his plans to redevelop the park. Over the weekend, he defiantly threatened to clear the nation’s squares of “anarchists and terrorists,” and on Tuesday he made good on his threat.

“Were we supposed to kneel before them?” he said Tuesday. “They can call me harsh, but this Tayyip Erdogan won’t change.”

Police swept in early in the day, targeting the mostly leftist and political groups that had set up shop in Taksim Square, even as Turkish leaders promised that they would not touch other protesters inside Gezi Park. Some lawyers who were trying to defend detained protesters were also arrested at a courthouse. Many remained in Gezi Park on Wednesday, saying that the efforts to quash the demonstrations would only increase their resolve to resist.

33 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:11:00am

I have discovered a cheap local sandwich shop that does delivery and has home-made potato chips. And their sandwiches are huge and tasty.

I better start working out more.

34 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:11:24am

Morning, Lizards! Today I’m seeing a lot of buzz over this:

Interns Win Huge Victory in Labor Lawsuit Against Fox

I know that some of my professors are upset by this because it will only make unpaid internships for their students that much harder to get, but I’m surprisingly okay with that.

Interns work full-time hours, or even massive amounts of overtime, and they don’t get paid at all. More often than not, they just end up doing all the work that an actual employee would do, but the company doesn’t want to pay for that work because they don’t value it enough. Not cool.

35 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:14:43am

re: #6 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Note to Guardian: It hurts your quest for a Pulitzer when you update stories on the sly and don’t bother to correct the massive misimpression you first gave.

I am thinking that Colbert has a better shot at that Peabody for covering the Guardian’s quest for a Pulitzer than the Guardian has a shot at that Pulitzer.

36 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:14:56am

Mischief Managed…and the Guardian folds its copy of the Marauder’s Map.

37 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:17:49am

re: #16 Dr. Matt

The worst part about this NSA criminal leak is that I find myself agreeing with Peter King (R-Douche) for the first time in my life.

Hey, I agreed with Limbaugh! As I said previously, this HAS to be End Times. Because that has never, ever happened before.

And I am frightened.

MOMMY!

38 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:17:51am

re: #36 darthstar

Yeah, with a little bit of a confundus charm and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a bit of imperio as well.

39 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:19:14am

re: #34 Lidane

Morning, Lizards! Today I’m seeing a lot of buzz over this:

Interns Win Huge Victory in Labor Lawsuit Against Fox

I know that some of my professors are upset by this because it will only make unpaid internships for their students that much harder to get, but I’m surprisingly okay with that.

Interns work full-time hours, or even massive amounts of overtime, and they don’t get paid at all. More often than not, they just end up doing all the work that an actual employee would do, but the company doesn’t want to pay for that work because they don’t value it enough. Not cool.

Unpaid internships are a form of slavery and should be ABOLISHED.

40 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:19:45am

re: #34 Lidane

41 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:20:57am

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

My problem is when that civil disobedience involved possibly exposing national security assets over something that was legal.

We may not like the Patriot Act (I, for one, do not), but it, like Obamacare, is the law of the land. If the issue is the law, then we need to change it. Almost none of our elected officials want to do that.

42 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:21:01am

From Slate: Exerpts of a very important find, published from the papers of James Agee, with photos by Walker Evans.

Cotton Tenants: Three Families

slate.com

A look at the impact of the impact of the Southern agriculture system on three White families during the Depression. The evil wasn’t limited to Jim Crow. A must-buy for me.

43 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:22:08am

re: #34 Lidane

Career planning counselors at schools are likely upset over this, but the whole practice of unpaid intern was nothing more than indentured servitude. It enabled those employers to pawn off significant amounts of work on to those interns without having to worry about compensation.

I’m frankly surprised it took this long to consider ending that whole practice.

44 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:24:02am

At least they still call it “NSA Scandal”…

45 freetoken  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:24:45am

re: #31 Decatur Deb

An official with the NHTSA said later that DNA was not collected as part of the survey, but only saliva and breath samples.

Um… that’s how DNA is usually collected these days, by saliva.

46 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:25:11am

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

Unpaid internships are a form of slavery and should be ABOLISHED.

Unpaid internships are good if the supervisor actually spends a lot of time and effort teaching the intern. This rarely, rarely, rarely happens.

47 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:25:14am

re: #43 lawhawk

Career planning counselors at schools are likely upset over this, but the whole practice of unpaid intern was nothing more than indentured servitude. It enabled those employers to pawn off significant amounts of work on to those interns without having to worry about compensation.

I’m frankly surprised it took this long to consider ending that whole practice.

The whole “internship” process is designed to weed out students and graduates who can’t afford to dedicate so much time to working for nothing when there are bills and student loans to pay.

48 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:27:48am

re: #45 freetoken

Um… that’s how DNA is usually collected these days, by saliva.

Seems right, but our Alabama law enforcers claim otherwise, and they wouldn’t lie. (I won’t really contradict them until I know more about other possible uses for a saliva screen.) At any rate, this will send the local RWNJs into low Earth orbit. Did you read the early comments?

49 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:27:51am

Oh my. This borders on the cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria, apocalypse scenario.

I actually agree with Pat Robertson on something.

Mind you, it’s rather inconsequential as these things go, but still.

Robertson: The Jets treatment of Tim Tebow was shameful.

Me: Of course it was - it’s the Jets. They don’t know any other way to operate. He should never have come to the Jets, and the whole situation was destined to failure from the moment he signed on the dotted line. He’s a punchline to a real bad joke, and the fact that he’s not a good quarterback compounds things further. His success is tied more to luck in Denver than to actual skill in throwing the football. He doesn’t have the speed to make it as a fullback either, but we’ll see if New England does anything with him or cuts him before the season starts.

50 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:28:46am
51 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:30:27am

re: #47 Vicious Babushka

The whole “internship” process is designed to weed out students and graduates who can’t afford to dedicate so much time to working for nothing when there are bills and student loans to pay.

Watch out for Fed employment internships, though. It’s their way of growing high-scoring graduates in a hundred or so career fields. They typically pay on a GS 5-7-9 annual noncompetitive progression (GS-11 for engineers.)

52 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:33:11am

re: #50 darthstar

Hope Not Hate director Nick Lowles told HuffPost UK said the channel [Fox]”obviously doesn’t know who the EDL leader is.

“If they did they would know his name was Stephen Lennon and he has several convictions for violence, including being imprisoned for attacking a police officer.

53 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:34:40am

re: #46 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Unpaid internships are good if the supervisor actually spends a lot of time and effort teaching the intern. This rarely, rarely, rarely happens.

No kidding.

In my internship, the company I was with fired the Marketing VP I was working for three weeks into my time there. When I was with her, it was awesome. She took a lot of time to talk to me and gave me work with practical value because even though it amounted to busywork, she was going to use it all in her overall social marketing strategy. I was helping her out, and felt like part of the team.

After she got fired, the managers basically told me to finish whatever she’d given me until they hired someone else to replace her. I did all the work which they then promptly discarded. The massive editorial calendar I created, the databases, etc. All gone. I then had to work with my other unpaid intern partner, who was in New York, to craft a whole new strategy from whole cloth because otherwise I would’ve had nothing to do at all. At the end, I apparently didn’t do enough (their story) to merit getting hired, or even getting paid $8.00/hr. I was insulted.

Screw the unpaid internship scam. It’s horrible and amounts to indentured servitude.

54 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:37:51am

Please tell me this is a parody account.

55 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:38:57am

re: #37 Joanne

Hey, I agreed with Limbaugh! As I said previously, this HAS to be End Times. Because that has never, ever happened before.

And I am frightened.

MOMMY!

Nothing tops having to agree with Thomas Friedman.

Not sure I can face the day, now.

56 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:39:57am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

WBC is Libtard False Flag!!

57 kirkspencer  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:41:54am

re: #46 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Unpaid internships are good if the supervisor actually spends a lot of time and effort teaching the intern. This rarely, rarely, rarely happens.

The department of labor has six criteria that must be met for an internship to be unpaid. They are good rules and, at least imo, justify not paying the intern.

1. The internship, even though it includes actual operation of the facilities of the employer, is similar to training which would be given in an educational environment;
2. The internship experience is for the benefit of the intern;
3. The intern does not displace regular employees, but works under close supervision of existing staff;
4. The employer that provides the training derives no immediate advantage from the activities of the intern; and on occasion its operations may actually be impeded;
5. The intern is not necessarily entitled to a job at the conclusion of the internship; and
6. The employer and the intern understand that the intern is not entitled to wages for the time spent in the internship.

Unfortunately enforcement has been lax and most businesses with unpaid interns do not meet one or more of the rules. That is in the process of changing. Some of the action is being driven by various recent law-suits (the article also mentions the fashion industry legal victory, in which a judge decided the 3000 cases didn’t merit a class action - but the individuals did win.) Regardless of the cause, the DoL is increasing enforcement.

58 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:42:00am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

Please tell me this is a parody account.

If it’s a parody they went to a lot of trouble for it. That person’s website looks like something straight out of the Free Republic School of Web Design, although unlike FR they use Disqus for their comments section.

59 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:56:19am

I’m just LOL at all the wingnuts (and also moonbats) who are all like ZOMG WE’RE IN A DICTATORSHIP POLICE STATE TYRANNY and posting up a storm of derpcrap and THREATS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT on Twitter, Breitbart, FreeRepublic and all over the rest of Teh Internets.

I mean if we really were in a DICTATORSHIP POLICE STATE TYRANNY!!11!! wouldn’t they like think twice before Tweeting their stupid Photoshops accusing the President of various crimes, being gay, and calls to violent overthrow of the government?

60 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:56:47am

Republican Demands Obama Apologize To Oklahoma For Investing In Climate Change Research

Just as extreme weather season kicks off, freshman Rep. Jim Bridenstine (R-OK) demanded that President Obama apologize to Oklahoma for allocating funding to climate change research. Bridenstine, a climate denier who serves on the House Science, Space, and Technology Committee, plans to introduce a bill that defunds climate change research

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 6:58:20am

Hmm, and no outrage at Rep Issa for not releasing the full IRS hearing transcripts yet. Apparently this openness and transparency rage only applies when “D” follows the name or PWB is occurring.

62 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:00:04am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

On that front, there’s now a petition calling for the President to resign because… well… you know….

And if he doesn’t resign, that’s proof he’s a ___________________ (fill in the blank)

63 122 Year Old Obama  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:01:24am

re: #62 lawhawk

President While Black.

64 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:02:04am

re: #62 lawhawk

On that front, there’s now a petition calling for the President to resign because… well… you know….

And if he doesn’t resign, that’s proof he’s a ___________________ (fill in the blank)

And the Obama hasn’t already sent his Seekrit Army with the 1,000,000,000 bullets and 6000 MRAPS to arrest everybody who signed that petition and lock them away in FEMA camps?

He totally sucks at Tyranting.

65 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:09:02am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

Too late to demand PBO resign. He’s already got the bullets and all the gunz. /

66 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:09:05am

re: #55 Bulworth

Nothing tops having to agree with Thomas Friedman.

Not sure I can face the day, now.

Haha. I had to read Friedman’s The World is Flat in undergrad. That was interesting.

67 piratedan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:11:10am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

if BHO was half the tyrant they say he was, we couldn’t even read about it because those folks would have been found out already due to the NSA spying on us all and linking the one consumer item that all true patriots need to survive (Swiss Miss mini marshmallows) and had us in FEMA camps with Black Helicopters circling overhead with UN Peacmakers in ‘em. Faux News would be nothing but static and there would be AM radio stations all throughout this great land of ours without any programming.

Funny how none of that haz happened.

68 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:15:21am

re: #67 piratedan

if BHO was half the tyrant they say he was, we couldn’t even read about it because those folks would have been found out already due to the NSA spying on us all and linking the one consumer item that all true patriots need to survive (Swiss Miss mini marshmallows) and had us in FEMA camps with Black Helicopters circling overhead with UN Peacmakers in ‘em. Faux News would be nothing but static and there would be AM radio stations all throughout this great land of ours without any programming.

Funny how none of that haz happened.

IT TOTALLY DID ALL HAPPEN!!11 BUT THE GOVT HAS SET UP ALL THOSE FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNTS AND ALEC JONES & GLENN BECK ARE ALL IN ON IT JUST TO LULL U INTO THINKING ALL IS WELL!!!!111!!!!!!!

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:17:04am

“Falcon and the Snowman” was on last night on some cable channel, so I sat down and watched it. Not sure how accurate it was in what it portrayed, but it was sort of interesting to watch young men raised with some sense of privilege and advantage get in over their heads and cause an undue amount of trouble.

And I had a sense of disconnect with the characters on a number of levels. Not happy about the CIA, so your method of protest is to start selling intelligence information to the Soviets? O_o

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:17:54am

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

I saw Kevin Bacon in an ROTC uniform down on the corner telling everyone that everything was well also.
;)

71 Mattand  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:35:28am

re: #60 Varek Raith

Republican Demands Obama Apologize To Oklahoma For Investing In Climate Change Research

I’m pretty good at translating wingnut-ese, but I’m just not getting this one.

Apologize? For what? What, in this idiot’s twisted pea brain, is Obama doing to insult OK?

72 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:38:22am

Wingnuts actually believe THIS, but they keep posting to Twitter.

73 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:38:44am

Another sunny day in the tyranny. Whew, man oh man life is hard here living in this modern day East Berlin. What with all the Stasi walking around and such.

74 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:42:51am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

Obama may have

Or he may not have.

Could be either.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

/

75 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:44:38am
76 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:44:44am

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts actually believe THIS, but they keep posting to Twitter.

Because there are so many extra Secret Service agents, we can send them in groups to harrass every twittercritic of Obama.
//

Any idea what this guy posted?

77 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:46:10am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

How does that even make sense? WAIT! I forgot it doesn’t have to. These are the same folks who believed that Obama’s failure to do anything to take their guns meant he was planning to take their guns.

78 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:47:02am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

Hey we’re just asking questions here!

79 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:49:14am
80 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:50:49am

That’s it. I’m through with activist journalists.

81 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:51:34am

I just got 4 calls in a row from 4 different recruiters for the same contract assignment. Hmmm.

What if I told them my salary requirement is $62/hr?

82 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:55:52am

Well, at least we have known for a long time now that The Guardian doesn’t have a political agenda.

83 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:56:08am

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Said absolutely no one. :D

84 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:56:21am

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

You’re worth at least $62.50.

85 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:57:00am

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

I just got 4 calls in a row from 4 different recruiters for the same contract assignment. Hmmm.

What if I told them my salary requirement is $62/hr?

Make it 124/hr. It’ll be like the 90s all over again.

86 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:00:26am

re: #84 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You’re worth at least $62.50.

Hey, I have a college degree and 20 more years of experience than Ed Snowden!

87 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:06:51am

Good morning lizards!

88 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:07:17am
89 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:08:25am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

I really wish people would just leave her alone.

90 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:09:19am

Moonbats to the left of me, wingnuts to the right here I am.

91 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:09:31am

Hanoi Snowden!

92 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:10:11am

And a 5th recruiter just called about the SAME JOB!

93 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:10:56am
94 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:11:09am

Snowden is a real piece of shit.

95 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:11:27am

Hero.

96 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:13:11am

re: #93 Gus

The South China Morning Post is majority owned by Murdoch’s News Corp.

97 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:13:35am

Beijing Snowden. I think he should hole up in Russia. At this point maybe even North Korea.

98 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:14:09am

re: #97 Gus

Beijing Snowden. I think he should hole up in Russia. At this point maybe even North Korea.

Russia has already offered asylum to him.

99 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:14:42am

re: #97 Gus

Beijing Snowden. I think he should hole up in Russia. At this point maybe even North Korea.

Nunavut is lovely this time of year.

100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:15:02am

re: #97 Gus

The other owner of the paper is Robert Kuok, a Malaysian Murdoch type who has huge investments in mainland China.

Kuok’s investments include CITIC Pacific, which is majority-owned by the Chinese government.

101 SidewaysQuark  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:15:06am

Just wondering if I’m the only one reserving my judgment about this whole ordeal because I don’t yet honestly understand all of its implications yet, if any.

102 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:16:50am

re: #100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The other owner of the paper is Robert Kuok, a Malaysian Murdoch type who has huge investments in mainland China.

In any case he’s still a fucking dick.

103 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:17:35am

re: #92 Vicious Babushka

And a 5th recruiter just called about the SAME JOB!

See what they say to a seriously high wage. $180/hour ($3/minute) sounds appropriate to me. Tell them your driving time would be on the clock too… ;)

104 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:19:40am

re: #100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The other owner of the paper is Robert Kuok, a Malaysian Murdoch type who has huge investments in mainland China.

Kuok’s investments include CITIC Pacific, which is majority-owned by the Chinese government.

So they’re not really a PROC paper. They’re more like a Republican Party paper. :D

105 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:20:44am

re: #93 Gus

Her-oh.

/

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:20:51am

re: #101 SidewaysQuark

Just wondering if I’m the only one reserving my judgment about this whole ordeal because I don’t yet honestly understand all of its implications yet, if any.

The main implication I am getting from this is that what needs to be discussed, The Patriot Act, is probably the one thing that is not going to be discussed.

107 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:24:01am

re: #104 Gus

So they’re not really a PROC paper. They’re more like a Republican Party paper. :D

I’m wondering if a decision this huge can be taken without consulting with the ownership, or if this is an editorial decision by the paper.

108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:26:20am

re: #107 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The Kuok family is known to be pro-Beijing, and questions have been raised over the paper’s editorial independence.There have been concerns, denied by Kuok, over the forced departures, in rapid succession, of several staff and contributors who were considered critical of China or its supporters in Hong Kong. These included, in the mid-1990s, their popular cartoonist Larry Feign, humour columnist Nury Vittachi, and numerous China-desk staff, namely 2000-01 editorial pages editor Danny Gittings, Beijing correspondent Jasper Becker, and China pages editor Willy Lam, who departed after his reporting had been publicly criticised by Robert Kuok.

That’s who this guy is choosing to be interviewed by.

110 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:29:14am

re: #109 NJDhockeyfan

Whistleblower Edward Snowden tells SCMP: ‘Let Hong Kong people decide my fate’

What a drama queeny attention-seeking self-infatuated little prick.

111 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:30:53am
112 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:31:26am

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

What a drama queeny attention-seeking self-infatuated little prick.

I wonder how much info he’s given the Chinese so far. It’s highly unlikely they haven’t interviewed him yet.

113 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:31:55am

re: #111 FemNaziBitch

Laser-like focus on jobs!

House Will Vote On Nationwide Abortion Ban Even Though It’s Doomed In The Senate

How is your day so far?

Nice day in Philly without a massive workload on my plate. So a more laidback day once I finish a few phonecalls and verify that a meeting has been cancelled.

114 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:32:03am

re: #107 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’m wondering if a decision this huge can be taken without consulting with the ownership, or if this is an editorial decision by the paper.

Probably the latter. Still, he’s divulging some damaging stuff. Regardless of whether it’s true or not. At the very least we should deport him.

115 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:33:09am

I see that the decision by the BSA leadership to allow gay youth to openly be members is starting to generate a backlash in some the conservative church sponsors.

usnews.nbcnews.com

116 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:34:14am
117 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:34:34am

re: #114 Gus

Probably the latter. Still, he’s divulging some damaging stuff. Regardless of whether it’s true or not. At the very least we should deport him.

After looking into it more, I don’t think so, or rather, I think that the editorial board of the paper knows to do exactly what Kuok wants or they get canned. In this case, during this China summit, embarrassing the US on cybersecurity is good for China. And Kuok likes what’s good for China.

118 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:35:28am

re: #117 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

After looking into it more, I don’t think so, or rather, I think that the editorial board of the paper knows to do exactly what Kuok wants or they get canned. In this case, during this China summit, embarrassing the US on cybersecurity is good for China. And Kuok likes what’s good for China.

I’m open to suggestions.

119 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:35:35am

re: #109 NJDhockeyfan

Whistleblower Edward Snowden tells SCMP: ‘Let Hong Kong people decide my fate’

…except Hong Kong’s autonomy doesn’t extend to this kind of security issue.

Also, teasing at doing a reveal about nation-to-nation overseas espionage sort of puts his motive in a different ballpark than 4th Amendment rights.

Particularly when he’s sitting in a nation known for its cyberattacks and IP theft versus US data, and he’s teasing state secrets while sitting in that country pleading not to be turned over to the US.

I mean, if this kid is some kind of “information wants to be free” activist, he and whoever’s advising him seem intent on the worst possible optics.

120 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:37:08am

Little Sarah gets a lung transplant.

Wingnuts are all congratulating themselves for this. Dumbasses, IT WASN’T YOU it was the person who just passed away, who just happened to be an organ donor of the same blood and tissue type. NOT YOU IDIOTS WHO RETWEETED LIKE THIS WAS SOME KIND OF “HUNGER GAMES” COMPETITION.

121 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:39:06am

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

Bryan Fischer and Tony Perkins (FRC) must be envious.

122 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:39:56am

re: #118 Gus

I’m open to suggestions.

I mean, this dude can be interviewed by anyone he wants just by saying so, at this point. But he chooses a pro-China english-language newspaper to do it.

It’s kind of the ‘clever or stupid’ question, really.

123 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:40:53am

re: #120 Vicious Babushka

Little Sarah gets a lung transplant.

Wingnuts are all congratulating themselves for this. Dumbasses, IT WASN’T YOU it was the person who just passed away, who just happened to be an organ donor of the same blood and tissue type. NOT YOU IDIOTS WHO RETWEETED LIKE SOME KIND OF “HUNGER GAMES” COMPETITION.

It’s like Peter Pan, where happy thoughts derp makes you fly organs spontaneously generate.

124 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:41:02am

Vdare currently yapping about Dreamers and immigration reform. SNAFU

125 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:41:47am

re: #122 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I mean, this dude can be interviewed by anyone he wants just by saying so, at this point. But he chooses a pro-China english-language newspaper to do it.

It’s kind of the ‘clever or stupid’ question, really.

Why didn’t Guardian get the scoop? Is he not BFF’s with Glenn Greenwank any more?

126 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:42:25am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

Why didn’t Guardian get the scoop? Is he not BFF’s with Glenn Greenwank any more?

Glenn Greenwads

127 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:44:34am

re: #120 Vicious Babushka

Little Sarah gets a lung transplant.

Wingnuts are all congratulating themselves for this. Dumbasses, IT WASN’T YOU it was the person who just passed away, who just happened to be an organ donor of the same blood and tissue type. NOT YOU IDIOTS WHO RETWEETED LIKE SOME KIND OF “HUNGER GAMES” COMPETITION.

She’s incredibly lucky that:

1) someone died and was on the donor list;
2) that the donor matched her tissue type; and
3) the surgery appears to have went well.

I’m happy for her and her family. It’s a terrifying ordeal watching someone go through that kind of illness, especially when there are so few options for treatment.

But she’s not out of the woods. There’s the possibility of rejection, and she’ll need to be on anti-rejection drugs for the rest of her life. There’s also the likelihood that the CF will affect her new lungs, requiring additional treatment or transplant down the road.

And it doesn’t change the fact that the OPTN/UNOS system continues to do its job - and is required to do its job because there are too few donors and too many in need of transplants so that they have to prioritize transplants. It also means that someone else on the list may not have gotten the lungs they needed.

128 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:44:52am

Cop Shot Litter of Kittens in Front of Screaming Children

On Monday, Ohio Humane Officer Barry Accorti shot and killed a litter of kittens in front of freaked-out children nearby. “He informed her that shelters were full and that these cats would be going to kitty heaven,” Ohio SPCA Executive Director Teresa Landon told the Sun News, “She assumed he would be trapping them or something and taking them to a shelter and they would be humanely euthanized if they were not adopted.”

Statement released by police is in this article.

Ohio has been in the news a lot lately for whacko-ness.

129 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:45:36am

Chris Hayes currently whitesplaining Snowden. Yep, he’s mentioning MLK.

130 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:50:13am

re: #128 FemNaziBitch

Cop Shot Litter of Kittens in Front of Screaming Children

On Monday, Ohio Humane Officer Barry Accorti shot and killed a litter of kittens in front of freaked-out children nearby. “He informed her that shelters were full and that these cats would be going to kitty heaven,” Ohio SPCA Executive Director Teresa Landon told the Sun News, “She assumed he would be trapping them or something and taking them to a shelter and they would be humanely euthanized if they were not adopted.”

Statement released by police is in this article.

Ohio has been in the news a lot lately for whacko-ness.

Is he a PETA member?

131 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:50:40am

re: #129 Gus

Chris Hayes currently whitesplaining Snowden. Yep, he’s mentioning MLK.

I hearted Hayes before he Snowden’d me.

132 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:50:44am

re: #128 FemNaziBitch

I want off of this planet

133 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:51:17am

re: #129 Gus

Chris Hayes currently whitesplaining Snowden. Yep, he’s mentioning MLK.

To make that comparison work, everybody who has ever made a phone call or sent an email would have to be subject to segregated workplaces and public spaces, cops going after them with dogs and fire hoses, lynchings just for, say, using a phone in public, denial of ballot access, shall I continue? Oh, and Snowden would have to be in a cell.

134 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:52:42am

More strangeness:

Maine Hermit Faces Jail and Fame

Police believe a man who lived secluded in the Maine woods for 27 years is responsible for at least 1,000 burglaries, yet news of his story sparked an outpouring of public sympathy.

video at link

135 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:53:05am

re: #132 Bulworth

I want off of this planet

Sign up here

applicants.mars-one.com

136 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:54:38am

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

Is he a PETA member?

The City should have to pay for the counseling sessions these kids will need. In my part of the world that could count for “child abuse”. It certainly would count for Domestic Violence if it weren’t a stranger committing the violent act.

137 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:54:51am

And now the crazy chimes in.

Ron Paul: US government may try to kill NSA whistle-blower

Don’t drone me bro!

“I’m worried about somebody in our government might kill him with a cruise missile or a drone missile,” Paul said. “I mean we live in a bad time where American citizens don’t even have rights and that they can be killed, but the gentlemen is trying to tell the truth about what’s going on.”

138 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:55:38am

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Hmmmm. The male-female ratio isn’t promising.

139 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:55:57am

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

More strangeness:

Maine Hermit Faces Jail and Fame

Police believe a man who lived secluded in the Maine woods for 27 years is responsible for at least 1,000 burglaries, yet news of his story sparked an outpouring of public sympathy.

nytimes.com

Maine Hermit Faces Jail and Fame

Police believe a man who lived secluded in the Maine woods for 27 years is responsible for at least 1,000 burglaries, yet news of his story sparked an outpouring of public sympathy.

What did he steal? Underpants? Profit!

140 piratedan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:56:38am

re: #137 Bubblehead II

yeah, that’s the ticket, let’s make a martyr out of him, Snowden Akbar!!!!!!!!

141 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:56:40am

re: #136 FemNaziBitch

The City should have to pay for the counseling sessions these kids will need. In my part of the world that could count for “child abuse”. It certainly would count for Domestic Violence if it weren’t a stranger committing the violent act.

He should at least have the title ‘Humane Officer’ revoked. And his weapon.

142 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:56:50am

So Snowden is now an ‘ex CIA operative?’

Journalism is not only dead it’s come back to life as an evil remnant of its former self, but trying to eat our brains.

143 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:57:19am

re: #142 BigPapa

So Snowden is now an ‘ex CIA operative?’

Journalism is not only dead it’s come back to life as an evil remnant of it’s former self, but trying to eat our brains.

I’m so stealing that!

with your permission, of course.

144 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:57:25am
145 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:57:55am

re: #137 Bubblehead II

And now the crazy chimes in.

Ron Paul: US government may try to kill NSA whistle-blower

Don’t drone me bro!

“I’m worried about somebody in our government might kill him with a cruise missile or a drone missile,” Paul said. “I mean we live in a bad time where American citizens don’t even have rights and that they can be killed, but the gentlemen is trying to tell the truth about what’s going on.”

He’s dead, Jim.
///

146 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:58:16am

Another thing that now occurs to me about Snowden is that he’s putting the people of Hong Kong in a difficult position w/r/t the mainland by trying to draw them into his shitstorm. They don’t need that right now. They’re barely holding on against a political drive by pro-mainland political to cease being autonomous.

147 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:58:53am

re: #137 Bubblehead II

And now the crazy chimes in.

Ron Paul: US government may try to kill NSA whistle-blower

Don’t drone me bro!

“I’m worried about somebody in our government might kill him with a cruise missile or a drone missile,” Paul said. “I mean we live in a bad time where American citizens don’t even have rights and that they can be killed, but the gentlemen is trying to tell the truth about what’s going on.”

That is fucking sick demagoguery and it is starting to piss me off. Drone strikes may be objectionable at some level, but up to now they have been used exclusively at people who have been determined to pose a serious material threat to the USA.

Implying that the government is going to use drone strikes to clear people out of the way who pose no serious physical threat is asinine and childishly stupid in its very premise.

148 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:59:14am

re: #145 NJDhockeyfan

He’s dead, Jim.
///

Tweet that to #TGDN and see how many wingnuts fall for it.

149 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:59:38am

re: #142 BigPapa

Yeah, actually he was responsible for the mission to kidnap the U.S. Ambassador in Libya and get guns from Fast&Furious to Benghazi!

//

150 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:00:04am

re: #145 NJDhockeyfan

He’s dead, Jim.
///

From “Greenwald’s” link:

By Kilgoar, on June 12th, 2013

???!??!?

/

151 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:00:27am

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

Tweet that to #TGDN and see how many wingnuts fall for it.

All of them.

152 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:01:21am

re: #34 Lidane

Morning, Lizards! Today I’m seeing a lot of buzz over this:

Interns Win Huge Victory in Labor Lawsuit Against Fox

I know that some of my professors are upset by this because it will only make unpaid internships for their students that much harder to get, but I’m surprisingly okay with that.

Interns work full-time hours, or even massive amounts of overtime, and they don’t get paid at all. More often than not, they just end up doing all the work that an actual employee would do, but the company doesn’t want to pay for that work because they don’t value it enough. Not cool.

The German education system has an established “dual system” of paid internships as part of its vocational trainng system. America belives in the unfettered Free Market.

153 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:01:45am

re: #145 NJDhockeyfan

He’s dead, Jim.
///

Fake account.

154 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:01:59am

re: #137 Bubblehead II

And now the crazy chimes in.

Ron Paul: US government may try to kill NSA whistle-blower

Don’t drone me bro!

“I’m worried about somebody in our government might kill him with a cruise missile or a drone missile,” Paul said. “I mean we live in a bad time where American citizens don’t even have rights and that they can be killed, but the gentlemen is trying to tell the truth about what’s going on.”

Is there a fund we can donate to raise money for the cost of the drone?

155 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:02:27am
156 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:02:59am

re: #153 Gus

Fake account.

I know. It’s going to make the rounds anyway. Lots of anti-drone people are going to flip out.

157 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:03:30am

re: #156 NJDhockeyfan

I know. It’s going to make the rounds anyway. Lots of anti-drone people are going to flip out.

Oh, I imagine. They’re kind of a loopy bunch. :D

158 erik_t  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:03:33am

re: #152 Sol Berdinowitz

The German education system has an established “dual system” of paid internships as part of its vocational trainng system. America belives in the unfettered Free Market.

Well, some parts of America. I’ve never heard of an unpaid engineering internship.

159 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:03:34am
160 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:06:02am
161 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:06:04am
162 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:06:52am

re: #161 wrenchwench

163 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:07:37am

Russia Passes Bill Targeting Some Discussions of Homosexuality

Russia’s Parliament, the Duma, also passed a blasphemy bill that criminalizes the insulting of religion and stiffens the penalty to up to three years in prison if the insults are made inside a church, a response to a performance of the punk group Pussy Riot in Moscow’s main cathedral last year. The performers were then prosecuted for hooliganism.

Taken together, the two bills — which will become law if passed by the Senate and signed by President Vladimir V. Putin, both of which are expected — are clear signs of the Kremlin’s growing closeness with the Russian Orthodox Church and its support for putting socially divisive issues on the legislative agenda.

164 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:08:04am
165 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:09:10am

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts actually believe THIS, but they keep posting to Twitter.

Love this from the article:

Tom Francois is an outspoken critic of Barack Hussein Obama- and has a robust Twitter presence.

When do you see Obama’s middle name spelled out? Totally unbiased article.

166 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:09:32am

re: #162 Gus

Post the Sportsgirl one. I wanna upding that, too.

167 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:09:48am


No emoprogs in that line. They’re still having their tea and emoting online.

168 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:10:12am

re: #166 wrenchwench

Post the Sportsgirl one. I wanna upding that, too.

169 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:10:18am

re: #163 FemNaziBitch

Russia Passes Bill Targeting Some Discussions of Homosexuality

Russia is on itw way back to pre-1917: Othodoxy and Autocracy. Now they can start the whole cycle all over again.

170 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:10:44am

re: #165 Joanne

Love this from the article:

When do you see Obama’s middle name spelled out? Totally unbiased article.

LOL

Bare Rock Who Sayun? Obummer, ayup.

171 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:10:51am
172 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:11:05am

re: #165 Joanne

Love this from the article:

When do you see Obama’s middle name spelled out? Totally unbiased article.

I wonder what kind of crap he posted from his Twitter account that would get the attention of the Secret Service? I have seen wingnut Tweets that included a noose, and crosshairs.

173 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:11:09am

re: #92 Vicious Babushka

And a 5th recruiter just called about the SAME JOB!

Go for $75.00. Sounds like they really need someone!

174 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:11:11am
175 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:11:39am

bbl

176 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:11:47am

re: #168 Gus

Thanks!

Now take back that comment about emoprogs having tea. I’m having tea.

177 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:12:35am

OUTRAGE!


I can’t wait for the wingnut idiots to start Tweeting about how POTUS is preventing FEMA from doing its job because Obamacare. Never mind the fact that the West explosion was an entirely preventable industrial accident and not a natural disaster.

178 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:13:11am

re: #157 Gus

Oh, I imagine. They’re kind of a loopy bunch. :D

179 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:14:56am

re: #176 wrenchwench

Thanks!

Now take back that comment about emoprogs having tea. I’m having tea.

I hereby take back emoprogs having tea. Signed. Gus.

180 piratedan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:15:46am

re: #177 Lidane

cause and effect, how do they work.


how about you sue the owner of the plant, personal responsibility yo!

181 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:16:20am

re: #177 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

FEMA says no to small Texas town seeking money to help rebuild after deadly fertilizer plant explosion: t.co -DC
— The Associated Press (@AP) June 12, 2013.

Free Market Capitalism at work!!!!!

182 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:17:21am

re: #174 Dr. Matt

Also, too: Travon Martin

/

183 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:18:17am

re: #171 FemNaziBitch

OUTRAGE!!!

/

184 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:19:02am

re: #177 Lidane

Obummer just hates Texas and his Chicago bully thugs control FEMA. //

185 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:19:31am

re: #179 Gus

I hereby take back emoprogs having tea. Signed. Gus.

Thanks! You get free updings all day [offer subject to certain restrictions that I make up on the fly].

I imagine emoprogs are actually drinking mate out of those dirty-looking cups with the metal straw. Or soy chai lattes. I guess both of those do qualify as tea….

186 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:19:43am

re: #177 Lidane

OUTRAGE!


I can’t wait for the wingnut idiots to start Tweeting about how POTUS is preventing FEMA from doing its job because Obamacare. Never mind the fact that the West explosion was an entirely preventable industrial accident and not a natural disaster.

What does this have to do with FEMA? This is Texas, which is proud of its “business friendly” low-regulation climate, let them finance the (safe) rebuilding and CREATE THOSE JOBS!!!

187 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:20:12am
188 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:20:32am

re: #174 Dr. Matt

It’s an important part of the White Man’s Burden that he be allowed to do stuff that people of other race/gender configurations couldn’t get away with.

Especially if he’s a tinfoil hat type and/or a Redditor. They’re Especially Burdened.

189 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:21:50am

re: #186 Sol Berdinowitz

What does this have to do with FEMA? This is Texas, which is proud of its “business friendly” low-regulation climate, let them finance the (safe) rebuilding and CREATE THOSE JOBS!!!

That would be privatizing profits and socializing losses. In this case, Rick Perry and his unabridged love for no regulations created an environment to create the loss, the company took advantage of it, people lost their lives and homes, and they now want FEMA (read tax dollars) to pay for those losses.

Capitalism at its finest.

190 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:21:53am

re: #186 Sol Berdinowitz

What does this have to do with FEMA? This is Texas, which is proud of its “business friendly” low-regulation climate, let them finance the (safe) rebuilding and CREATE THOSE JOBS!!!

191 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:22:04am

re: #185 wrenchwench

Thanks! You get free updings all day [offer subject to certain restrictions that I make up on the fly].

I imagine emoprogs are actually drinking mate out of those dirty-looking cups with the metal straw. Or soy chai lattes. I guess both of those do qualify as tea….

Yep. Mate. We’re from Argentina. I’ve had the stuff many times when I was a kid. It’s OK. Nothing to boast about but you know poseurs.

192 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:22:29am


Heh.

193 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:23:36am

re: #192 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

“Early”?

194 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:23:36am

Gah. More ads on Twitter.

195 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:24:24am

re: #190 Lidane

196 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:24:26am

re: #192 NJDhockeyfan

Ron Paul believes Snowden will be killed by U.S. drone strike. I think it’s safe to say Ron Paul is in the early stages of dementia.

No, advanced stage of demagoguery. he is not stupid enough to belive this shit himself, he just knows it will cause other idiots to listen to him.

197 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:24:36am

*sigh*


The people who died in West were victims of a plant owner who ignored federal law and created a dangerous situation. This wasn’t a goddamn hurricane or tornado or storm. It was deliberate, criminal negligence.

What. The. FUCK. And these are the same people who say liberals are the ones who want a government handout all the time.

198 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:25:19am

Use graduation speech to talk about Christ, Constitution,be an asshole, mic cut off. Come out as nice guy gay, mic stays on.
t.co

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer)

Probably something closer to what actually happened.

199 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:25:55am

If it’s on Twitter it must be true!

200 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:25:56am
201 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:26:09am
What. The. FUCK. And these are the same people who say liberals are the ones who want a government handout all the time.

Why, Yes. Yes, they are.

202 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:27:32am

“According to a letter obtained by The Associated Press” FEMA. I’ll wait.

203 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:28:53am
204 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:29:07am

re: #195 Joanne

Not sure why I hadn’t been following @MsJoanne until now, but that’s been fixed.

205 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:29:34am

re: #197 Lidane

*sigh*


What. The. FUCK. And these are the same people who say liberals are the ones who want a government handout all the time.

These are people who have no idea how government or democracy works, they have some boneheaded, fuzzy ideas about “self-determination” and “free market” that have little to do with the country we really live in.

And that is the product of an education system that seems to place little value on anything other than teaching teenagers to practice abstinence and play sports.

206 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:29:51am

6th recruiter now.

207 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:29:53am
208 erik_t  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:30:12am

fema.gov

The Federal Emergency Management Agency coordinates the federal government’s role in preparing for, preventing, mitigating the effects of, responding to, and recovering from all domestic disasters, whether natural or man-made, including acts of terror.

Just saying.

209 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:30:30am

MUSTARDGATE!

- finally…a scandal I can support.

210 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:30:33am

re: #206 Vicious Babushka

Geeze. This better be the best job ever.

211 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:30:38am

re: #204 Bulworth

Not sure why I hadn’t been following @MsJoanne until now, but that’s been fixed.

Beware…you never know what kind of weird shit comes out of my Twitter fingers.

212 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:30:55am

re: #206 Vicious Babushka

6th recruiter now.

Up to $100!!

213 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:31:19am

re: #205 Sol Berdinowitz

These are people who have no idea how government or democracy works, they have some boneheaded, fuzzy ideas about “self-determination” and “free market” that have little to do with the country we really live in.

And that is the product of an education system that seems to place little value on anything other than teaching teenagers to practice abstinence and play sports.

The important thing is that the system is set up to convenience them, and inconvenience the (weekly-updated) long list of people they don’t like (and therefore aren’t Real Americans).

214 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:31:56am
215 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:32:08am

re: #210 Bulworth

Geeze. This better be the best job ever.

I’m not even looking for another job. So many unemployed people out there.

216 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:32:35am

re: #206 Vicious Babushka

6th recruiter now.

Charge them at least $77.50 an hour. That’s a minimum of a 25% increase in your base rate. That’ll show you who’s serious.

217 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:32:54am

Uh, they FEMA deadline for West Texas isn’t until June 18th. That’s 6 days away. I’m calling bullshit on this AP crap.


FEMA Registration Deadline Two Weeks Away for West, Texas Plant Explosion Survivors
Main Content
Release date:
June 4, 2013
Release Number:
NR-014

AUSTIN, Texas -Homeowners, renters and business owners who sustained damages from the April 17 fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas have two weeks left to register for disaster assistance from the state and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). The registration deadline for FEMA disaster assistance is June 18.

“We’re urging residents with explosion-related damages to apply for FEMA assistance before June 18 and keep us posted of any insurance settlements they may receive,” said Federal Coordinating Officer Kevin L. Hannes of FEMA. “This allows us to continue processing their registrations for any unmet needs.”

A U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) Disaster Loan Outreach Center (DLOC) is open at the POINTWEST Bank located at 210 N. Roberts Rd in West, Texas. The DLOC hours are 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Monday through Friday until further notice. At the DLOC, SBA representatives will answer questions, explain the application process, help individuals and businesses apply for low-interest disaster loans and close their approved disaster loans. FEMA Individual Assistance specialists are available at the DLOC to answer questions and provide information on the types of disaster assistance available from FEMA….

218 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:33:09am

re: #204 Bulworth

Not sure why I hadn’t been following @MsJoanne until now, but that’s been fixed.

Same here.

219 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:33:15am

re: #216 Lidane

Charge them at least $77.50 an hour. That’s a minimum of a 25% increase in your base rate. That’ll show you who’s serious.

I could respond to all of them and start a bidding war. :)

220 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:34:20am

re: #219 Vicious Babushka

I could respond to all of them and start a bidding war. :)

Haha. That too. Capitalism at its finest.

221 erik_t  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:34:41am

re: #216 Lidane

Charge them at least $77.50 an hour. That’s a minimum of a 25% increase in your base rate. That’ll show you who’s serious.

25% isn’t even significant. You should go for, oh what was it in the Guardian, like 63%.

222 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:34:52am
223 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:35:28am

re: #217 Gus

I hope that the town is suing the company. I think that they have standing even if they had really lax zoning laws because there were federal laws being violated.

224 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:35:53am

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

Small group “flogs” effigy of Rep Pete King (R-NY) at Capitol for not backing #Snowden. Calls King a “traitor” & gov’t is tramping on rights
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) June 12, 2013

Ah, no doubt King will change his tune after such actions.
#derp

225 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:36:15am

re: #223 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I hope that the town is suing the company. I think that they have standing even if they had really lax zoning laws because there were federal laws being violated.

FEMA hasn’t denied anything. They’re still taking applications for relief. This is a total BS story.

226 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:36:36am

re: #217 Gus

Here’s the key point in that notice:

“We’re urging residents with explosion-related damages to apply for FEMA assistance before June 18 and keep us posted of any insurance settlements they may receive,” said Federal Coordinating Officer Kevin L. Hannes of FEMA. “This allows us to continue processing their registrations for any unmet needs.”

FEMA is giving individual families and homeowners that were affected by the West plant explosion money.

What they are denying is giving the town itself millions in disaster relief, and in declaring the area an emergency. At least that’s how I’m reading all these stories.

227 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:36:58am

re: #223 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I hope that the town is suing the company. I think that they have standing even if they had really lax zoning laws because there were federal laws being violated.

Not only the company, but personal lawsuits against the ownership, the managers, and the board of directors. Fuck ‘em in the neck.

228 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:37:06am

re: #225 Gus

Is it just me, or has the media gotten even abysmally worse over the past, like, year? Or am I just in a bad mood?

229 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:37:47am

re: #228 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Is it just me, or has the media gotten even abysmally worse over the past, like, year? Or am I just in a bad mood?

All of the above. :D

230 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:37:59am

re: #227 Dr. Matt

Fuck ‘em in the neck.

If I ever run for president, will you be my Communications Director?

231 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:38:09am

re: #226 Lidane

Here’s the key point in that notice:

FEMA is giving individual families and homeowners that were affected by the West plant explosion money.

What they are denying is giving the town itself millions in disaster relief, and in declaring the area an emergency. At least that’s how I’m reading all these stories.

“Homeowners, renters and business owners

232 blueraven  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:38:59am

re: #217 Gus

Uh, they FEMA deadline for West Texas isn’t until June 18th. That’s 6 days away. I’m calling bullshit on this AP crap.

FEMA Registration Deadline Two Weeks Away for West, Texas Plant Explosion Survivors
Main Content
Release date:
June 4, 2013
Release Number:
NR-014

FEMA is providing loans for homeowners, but not giving money for West to rebuild infrastructure and schools. And I don’t think they should…West should sue the fertilizer plant.

233 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:39:54am

re: #230 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

If I ever run for president, will you be my Communications Director?

Fuck yeah!

:)

234 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:40:09am
235 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:40:21am

re: #217 Gus

Hmmmm. I wonder if there is a distinction between FEMA aid to individual homeowners/property owners and state or local jurisdictions. The June 4 letter seems aimed at property owners.

236 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:40:27am

re: #231 Gus

“Homeowners, renters and business owners

Yes, individual business owners.

The point is, they’re not going to give money to the town itself:

FEMA Won’t Provide Money To Help Rebuild West

An emergency disaster declaration was issued on April 19 and was expanded on May 1 to allow residents affected by the explosion to seek Individual Assistance Grants to cover such things as temporary housing, home repairs, medical and dental expenses, funeral expenses, personal property and transportation.

A major disaster declaration would have allowed the city to seek federal funds to repair damaged public infrastructure.

That’s what has been denied.

237 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:40:51am

re: #232 blueraven

FEMA is providing loans for homeowners, but not giving money for West to rebuild infrastructure and schools. And I don’t think they should…West should sue the fertilizer plant.

WEST, TEXAS FEDERAL DISASTER ASSISTANCE TOPS $5 MILLION
Main Content
Release date:
May 29, 2013
Release Number:
NR-013

AUSTIN, Texas. - In just over a month since the emergency disaster declaration for the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) have approved more than $5.6 million in disaster assistance or low-interest loans for survivors.

This total includes more than $694,000 in Housing and Other Needs Assistance and Transitional Sheltering Assistance (TSA) from the state of Texas and FEMA. The SBA has approved more than $4.91 million in low-interest disaster assistance loans for 59 disaster-impacted residents and businesses. SBA federal disaster loans help pay for residential and business property losses as well as disaster working capital needs for eligible small businesses and nonprofit organizations.

“We are all working together to get the disaster assistance where it needs to be — in the hands of survivors,” said the Federal Coordinating Officer Kevin L. Hannes of FEMA. “Survivors are taking advantage of low-interest disaster loans. We will continue to coordinate with and support our federal, state and local partners as the residents of West work to rebuild and recover.”

To date, 742 individuals and families have registered for assistance. More than 900 residents have taken advantage of services provided by the Disaster Recovery Center in West and TSA has provided funding for 359 nights at hotels in West and nearby communities to provide eligible residents with a safe place to stay….

238 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:41:13am

re: #228 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Is it just me, or has the media gotten even abysmally worse over the past, like, year? Or am I just in a bad mood?

The media hit bottom with the CNN fail about the Boston suspect in custody. Then they just kept digging.

239 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:41:29am

Whatever. :D

240 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:42:21am

re: #237 Gus

WEST, TEXAS FEDERAL DISASTER ASSISTANCE TOPS $5 MILLION

Again — FEMA has given some disaster aid to the residents and individual businesses.

They are NOT, however, going to give money to the town of West to rebuild their infrastructure.

241 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:42:50am
242 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:43:53am

re: #228 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Is it just me, or has the media gotten even abysmally worse over the past, like, year? Or am I just in a bad mood?

It’s been shitty. In part because of the whole “let’s reprint shit from crowdsourced internet news.”

Also, reading stuff from beginning to finish and making sure you understand it is apparently passe.

243 Sionainn  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:44:20am

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

It boggles the mind that anyone is still alive who was born in the 1800s.

244 Tigger2  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:44:53am

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

Coming soon to Republican State Legislators near you.

245 blueraven  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:46:02am

re: #237 Gus

WEST, TEXAS FEDERAL DISASTER ASSISTANCE TOPS $5 MILLION
Main Content
Release date:
May 29, 2013
Release Number:
NR-013

Right..individuals and small business as well. In other words FEMA has helped the people of West, but will not provide money to the city itself for damage done to the infrastructure.

246 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:46:41am

re: #240 Lidane

Again — FEMA has given some disaster aid to the residents and individual businesses.

They are NOT, however, going to give money to the town of West to rebuild their infrastructure.

OK. Got it. Have they ever done so for other disasters?

247 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:46:45am

re: #244 Tigger2

Coming soon to Republican State Legislators near you.

Tennessee already tried for the “Don’t Say Gay” bill awhile ago.

248 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:49:06am

re: #228 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Is it just me, or has the media gotten even abysmally worse over the past, like, year? Or am I just in a bad mood?

Just wait until the next major disaster hits, one that really needs professional, measured, competent coverage and we will have an even biggger disaster on our hands…

249 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:49:32am

re: #243 Sionainn

It boggles the mind that anyone is still alive who was born in the 1800s.

She was able to see the Cubs win the World Series (if she was there).

250 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:50:49am
251 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:50:56am

re: #246 Gus

OK. Got it. Have they ever done so for other disasters?

No idea. I would imagine that FEMA is refusing to give money to the town because this was not a natural disaster, but rather something entirely preventable and due to the criminal negligence of the plant owner.

They’ll help the people whose homes and small businesses got wiped out because it wasn’t their fault. But declaring the town a major disaster area would probably limit, if not eliminate the liability of the plant owner in the whole mess, so I’m guessing that’s why they won’t give money to the town.

252 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:51:39am

re: #177 Lidane

From that article:

According to a letter obtained by The Associated Press, FEMA said it reviewed the state’s appeal to help West but decided that the explosion “is not of the severity and magnitude that warrants a major disaster declaration.” FEMA has, however, provided emergency funds to individual residents.

West Mayor Tommy Muska said the rural community of 2,800 people needed the money to repair roads, the damaged sewer system and a school. He said the estimated cost of those repairs is $57 million, including $40 million to rebuild a school that was destroyed when the West Fertilizer Co. blew up in April.

“We don’t have the money to go out and borrow the money. We don’t have the means to pay that note back,” Muska said. “There’s got to be some public assistance.”

Federal aid, taxes, borrowing, and bootstraps come to mind - depending on your political persuasion…

253 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:51:52am
254 sauceruney  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:53:00am

re: #185 wrenchwench

Thanks! You get free updings all day [offer subject to certain restrictions that I make up on the fly].

I imagine emoprogs are actually drinking mate out of those dirty-looking cups with the metal straw. Or soy chai lattes. I guess both of those do qualify as tea….

Hey! But I use almond milk instead of soy.

255 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:53:03am

re: #252 lawhawk

From that article:

Federal aid, taxes, borrowing, and bootstraps come to mind - depending on your political persuasion…

Heh. Freemarket. So basically West Texas is up shit’s creek.

256 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:53:05am

re: #246 Gus

OK. Got it. Have they ever done so for other disasters?

It depends on the scope and magnitude of the disaster. There have been severe storms in the NYC metro area that failed to meet federal aid requirements, or the reimbursements were pared down. Happens all the time, in fact.

257 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:53:09am
258 blueraven  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:53:25am

re: #246 Gus

OK. Got it. Have they ever done so for other disasters?

Not sure, but I bet this has happened before. I mean really, it is a stretch to think the FED govt should pay for a private industrial accident that was so damaging because of state and local deregulation and lax zoning laws.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

259 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:54:56am

re: #253 darthstar

GOP congressman: Rate of pregnancies from rape is ‘very low’

They simply refuse to give up on that one, despite the fct that statements like that played a major role in turning a lot of people away from the GOP during the last election…

260 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:55:11am
261 chadu  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:55:47am

re: #109 NJDhockeyfan

WTFF?

262 Lidane  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:55:56am

re: #253 darthstar

Dear GOP,

Please proceed.

Signed,
Me

263 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:57:12am

Edward Snowden Reportedly Gives Interview To Chinese News Outlet
Tom Kludt 10:04 AM EDT, Wednesday June 12, 2013
Excerpt:

“People who think I made a mistake in picking HK as a location misunderstand my intentions. I am not here to hide from justice; I am here to reveal criminality,” Snowden said, according to the outlet.

The report quoted him as saying his “intention is to ask the courts and people of Hong Kong” to decide his fate, adding: “I have been given no reason to doubt your system.”

The South China Morning Post said it will run the entire interview later on Wednesday.

I’m not clear on what criminality he thinks HK or PRC would charge him with. (Not trying to start any rumors)

264 piratedan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:57:42am

re: #259 Sol Berdinowitz

that’s Trent Franks, the same guy that claimed that the outreach program on Capitol Hill for Muslim youths promoted terrorism…

He’s like Louie Gohmert Lite

265 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:58:22am

She is gorgeous. Why give that up to be on the run for the rest of your life?

This Is Edward Snowden’s Girlfriend

UPDATE: Jonathan Mills, the father of Edward Snowden’s girlfriend Lindsay Mills, has confirmed that his daughter has been dating the NSA leak source for 4-5 years. Lindsay Mills, a dancer, acrobat and graduate of the Maryland Institute College of Art, is the girlfriend that the NSA source left behind when he flew to Hong Kong.

266 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 9:59:44am

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

Why not leave the girl alone?

267 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:00:22am

never mind…Obdi’s right.

268 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:00:26am

re: #266 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why not leave the girl alone?

because supply follows demand

269 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:01:14am

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

He wont be on the run for the rest of his life. If he’s truly the whistleblower he claims (and more importantly what Socky McGreenwald thinks he is), he’ll come in from the cold to face the music. And he’ll have plenty of time to reminisce about the good times with her in the comfort of Club Leavenworth.

That is, if the drones don’t get him first. /Paultard

270 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:01:47am

re: #266 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why not leave the girl alone?

Good point. She has nothing to do with this. Prev. comment edited

271 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:02:04am

And now…

272 erik_t  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:02:23am

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

She is gorgeous. Why give that up to be on the run for the rest of your life?

This Is Edward Snowden’s Girlfriend

I DON’T CARE WHO IS EDWARD SNOWDEN’S EX GIRLFRIEND

LEAVE HER THE FUCK ALONE FOR CHRIST’S SAKE

AND LET BUZZFEED GO FESTER WHILE YOU’RE AT IT

273 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:02:33am

re: #266 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why not leave the girl alone?

It might be a blessing in disguise. Her career is probably going to get a lot better from this.

274 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:03:24am

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

I really hate how people pry into the personal lives of those tangentially related to shit like this. It’s so fucking rude.

275 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:03:47am

re: #254 sauceruney

Hey! But I use almond milk instead of soy.

In my continuing search for low-carb snacks, I have hit upon chocolate almond milk. Haven’t tried it yet. It’s in the fridge.

276 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:04:03am

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

It might be a blessing in disguise. Her career is probably going to get a lot better from this.

you are assuming that she operates on the level of sleaze that governs modern publicity and celebrity journalism…

277 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:04:44am

Well, I guess one takeaway from the NSA story is that the Patriot Act and FISA has finally got the attention of the Caucasians/WASPs. Muricans haz concern.

278 piratedan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:04:49am

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

this is America, maybe she can parley it into a DWTS gig, if she’s inclined to such pursuits, but since her last name isn’t Kardashian, mayhaps she’s just a normal person caught up in the whirlwind and would like to have her life back.

279 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:05:53am

re: #274 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I really hate how people pry into the personal lives of those tangentially related to shit like this. It’s so fucking rude.

The press live for shit like this. Lots of money is to be made from people buying their magazines at the grocery store. It’s been happening for decades.

280 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:05:56am
281 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:06:53am

re: #279 NJDhockeyfan

The press live for shit like this. Lots of money is to be made from people buying their magazines at the grocery store. It’s been happening for decades.

I’m talking about you. You’re the one who keeps posting the stories about her. And talking about how hot she is. I don’t read the magazines at the grocery store.

282 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:08:03am

re: #152 Sol Berdinowitz

The German education system has an established “dual system” of paid internships as part of its vocational trainng system. America belives in the unfettered Free Unfree Market.

Because in practice the ‘Free Market’ isn’t a big fan of freedom.

283 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:08:24am

We break with your regularly scheduled posting to bring the following weather warning. The SPC has begun issuing watches and warnings across much of the Midwest and the Central US, with high likelihood of severe weather, including derechos, tornados, and severe t-storms with high winds.

If you’re in the affected areas, keep tabs on weather/radar reports, and seek shelter if they’re reporting derecho or tornadoes in your area.

284 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:09:16am

re: #280 darthstar

Interview with person who got his brakes fixed at the same place where Edward Snowden’s ex-girlfriend’s uncle’s wife’s sister’s cousin’s adopted puppy’s previous owner did in 2007.

285 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:09:26am

re: #281 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’m talking about you. You’re the one who keeps posting the stories about her. And talking about how hot she is. I don’t read the magazines at the grocery store.

I keep posting stories about her…and talk about how hot she is?

You are so full of shit.

286 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:09:47am

re: #271 Charles Johnson

And now…

I feel intimidated…

287 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:11:27am

re: #285 NJDhockeyfan

Whatever, dude. If she starts making a spectacle of herself, that’s one thing, but right now she’s just an ordinary citizen and deserves, from good manners, privacy. There’s no point in goggling at her. She’s not the story.

288 Sionainn  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:12:39am

re: #283 lawhawk

We break with your regularly scheduled posting to bring the following weather warning. The SPC has begun issuing watches and warnings across much of the Midwest and the Central US, with high likelihood of severe weather, including derechos, tornados, and severe t-storms with high winds.

If you’re in the affected areas, keep tabs on weather/radar reports, and seek shelter if they’re reporting derecho or tornadoes in your area.

I just looked up “derecho.” I learn something new every day.

289 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:13:02am

re: #185 wrenchwench

Thanks! You get free updings all day [offer subject to certain restrictions that I make up on the fly].

I imagine emoprogs are actually drinking mate out of those dirty-looking cups with the metal straw. Or soy chai lattes. I guess both of those do qualify as tea….

My bet is on the caffeine-free expressos with an extra shot of mocha syrup.

290 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:13:27am

re: #287 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Whatever, dude. If she starts making a spectacle of herself, that’s one thing, but right now she’s just an ordinary citizen and deserves, from good manners, privacy. There’s no point in goggling at her. She’s not the story.

There is a 24-hour news cycle to feed. And this is the news equivalent of a Taco Bell burrito…

291 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:14:06am

re: #290 Sol Berdinowitz

There is a 24-hour news cycle to feed. And this is the news equivalent of a Taco Bell burrito…

I just learned the other day that choco-tacos are a real thing.

Image: 20090216-chocotaco.jpg

292 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:15:12am

re: #208 erik_t

fema.gov

Just saying.

Don’t they also need Gov “Free Market and Succession!” Perry to request aid for the location first?

293 blueraven  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:15:20am

Also, on the West estimate for damages they are asking for 57 million…40 million to rebuild one middle school. The population of West, according to Wikipedia is 2,807. Does it really cost 40 million to build a school for probably much less than 1000 students?

Maybe it does, but that seems high.

294 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:15:22am

re: #291 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I just learned the other day that choco-tacos are a real thing.

Image: 20090216-chocotaco.jpg

Haven’t had one of those in decades. Damn, but I might have to go hunt one down at lunch. (75 degrees in San Francisco today)

295 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:15:25am
296 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:16:04am

re: #294 darthstar

Haven’t had one of those in decades. Damn, but I might have to go hunt one down at lunch. (75 degrees in San Francisco today)

I miss ItsIts.

297 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:16:20am

re: #291 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I just learned the other day that choco-tacos are a real thing.

Image: 20090216-chocotaco.jpg

Looks like someone ran over a Drumstick.

298 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:16:31am

re: #290 Sol Berdinowitz

Restating my prior objection to fixating on the girlfriend. Unless it turns out that she’s an integral part to the crime, she’s eye candy for the media outlets and usual suspects to exploit for the salaciousness and nothing more.

299 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:17:01am

re: #296 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I miss ItsIts.

I wish the new 49er Stadium was called It’s It Field.

300 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:17:08am

re: #296 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I miss ItsIts.

Do they no longer exist? Yet San Francisco still stands?

Oh, wait. You’re not in SF now.

301 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:17:29am


Not if he’s wearing his tin foil cap!

302 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:18:01am

re: #299 darthstar

I wish the new 49er Stadium was called It’s It Field.

If I get stinking rich I promise to buy it and do that because yeah, totally.

303 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:18:19am

re: #300 wrenchwench

Do they no longer exist? Yet San Francisco still stands?

The It’s It factory is still next to 101 in Burlingame. They really are ice cream sandwiches done right.

304 Joanne  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:18:32am

re: #223 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I hope that the town is suing the company. I think that they have standing even if they had really lax zoning laws because there were federal laws being violated.

Didn’t they file bankruptcy?

305 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:18:59am

re: #301 NJDhockeyfan

Not if he’s wearing his tin foil cap!

Snowden ordered a pineapple pizza.

306 Slap  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:20:06am

re: #296 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

itsiticecream.com

I didn’t dig too far into it, but they do ship via FedEx….

307 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:20:09am

re: #305 Vicious Babushka

Now you’ve done it.

308 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:20:44am

WHY IS BARRACK HUSSEIN OBUMMER HAVING A CHEESEBURGER WHEN HIS TYRANNICAL WIFE MOOCHELE IS FORCING A DIET AND EXERCISE ON ARE CHILDREN AGAINST ARE FREEDOMS!!11TY

309 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:21:34am

re: #306 Slap

I may just do that for some BBQ.

310 chadu  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:23:28am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

That’s so true, it wrapped around from funny to scary to funny again.

311 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:26:12am

re: #310 chadu

That’s so true, it wrapped around from funny to scary to funny again.

I got a wingnut very butthurt at me yesterday when I retweeted a graphic he made, a “Wanted” poster of POTUS for “Treason” and compared it to a very similar poster of JFK from 50 years ago.

U LIBRUL TROLL U R SO BLOCKED!!11!!

312 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:28:13am

re: #311 Vicious Babushka

I got a wingnut very butthurt at me yesterday when I retweeted a graphic he made, a “Wanted” poster of POTUS for “Treason” and compared it to a very similar poster of JFK from 50 years ago.

I don’t undersatnd why: a true Wingnut would believe that JFK deserved what he got and Obama deserves the same…

313 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:30:40am

Ah, I see one angle the emoprogs are working. “MLK would have liked Snowden so why you no likey Snowden?”

314 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:35:42am

Snowden claims to have shown the Chinese paper in Hong Kong evidence that the US was carrying out cyberattacks against China.

Snowden reportedly showed reporter Lana Lam documents that showed NSA had been hacking computers in Hong Kong and on the mainland since 2009. He estimated there were hundreds of targets in Hong Kong and mainland China, including the Chinese University of Hong Kong. None of the documents revealed any information about Chinese military systems, Snowden said.

“We hack network backbones - like huge internet routers, basically - that give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one,” Snowden told Lam.

China’s own online espionage efforts were put in the spotlight earlier this year after a report from U.S. security firm Mandiant that accused military-linked groups of hacking major U.S. companies. After that story, China hit back saying Washington was the “real hacking empire.”

315 Slap  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:35:44am

re: #313 Gus

Ah, I see one angle the emoprogs are working. “MLK would have liked Snowden so why you no likey Snowden?”

Progs?

Youtube Video

316 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:35:59am

re: #313 Gus

Ah, I see one angle the emoprogs are working. “MLK would have liked Snowden so why you no likey Snowden?”

People are seriously trying to link MLK with Snowden? Sheesh.

317 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:36:23am

re: #313 Gus

Ah, I see one angle the emoprogs are working. “MLK would have liked Snowden so why you no likey Snowden?”

Yes, because MLK dreamed of a country where prople would be judged by the content of their character…

318 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:36:33am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

People are seriously trying to link MLK with Snowden? Sheesh.

Also, “NSA snooping would have been used against MLK had it been around back then!” Derp.

319 erik_t  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:36:39am

re: #314 lawhawk

Snowden claims to have shown the Chinese paper in Hong Kong evidence that the US was carrying out cyberattacks against China.

And that would be the actual factual treason.

320 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:37:09am

re: #314 lawhawk

Wow. Straight up revelation of intelligence secrets of actions against a foreign country.

This should clear some things up about Snowden.

321 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:38:11am

re: #285 NJDhockeyfan

I keep posting stories about her…and talk about how hot she is?

You are so full of shit.

I don’t know why the constant kvetching.

When I read this I have to keep putting up with the latest Bryan Fisher drool and an infinite parade of similar derps and that’s a lot worse.

I think I’m wearing a palm-print in my skull.

322 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:38:17am

Co-opting MLK.

323 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:38:34am

What would Jesus do?

324 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:38:56am

So, that Mandiant report came out in February:
businessinsider.com

325 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:39:13am

re: #296 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I miss ItsIts.

I’ll eat one in your honor, and enjoy every single chocolatey, ice creamy, oatmeal cookie-y bite.

326 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:39:24am

re: #322 Gus

Co-opting MLK.

Well look at this way. It speaks volumes that everyone from homophobes to emoprogrs tries to co-opt him to justify their own agendas.

327 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:39:27am

re: #301 NJDhockeyfan

Red hood
and a pillow fort!

328 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:39:39am

re: #323 Gus

What would Jesus do?

He would secretly spy into all our souls and then share the data with the NSA…

329 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:39:46am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

People are seriously trying to link MLK with Snowden? Sheesh.

330 jaunte  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:40:43am

“Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower who revealed his identity Sunday, first approached The Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald in February…”
huffingtonpost.com

331 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:41:58am

re: #329 Vicious Babushka

What was that about a letter - from a Birmingham jail not from a $500/night hotel in another country? Twits.

332 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:42:31am

re: #320 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Wow. Straight up revelation of intelligence secrets of actions against a foreign country.

This should clear some things up about Snowden.

It’s internally consistent with Greenwald’s derping about Obama wanting to (paraphrasing) erode global freedom.

This isn’t about the 4th amendment, it’s about a larger abstraction of “freedom” from government. Because, unlike the government, we can totally trust the pseudo-clever internet activists that do document dumps. I mean, they couldn’t possibly have base or ulterior motives—they said so.

333 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:43:13am

re: #331 William Barnett-Lewis

What was that about a letter - from a Birmingham jail not from a $500/night hotel in another country? Twits.

Ha, yeah. Or the little known letter from a foreign five star hotel’s bar. “THESE NACHOS ARE INCREDIBLE!”

334 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:43:26am

Too goddamn funny:

dangerousminds.net

Redditor Feature_Creature posted this photo of his cute little pug’s behind and says, “It’s a MIRACLE! Take that…. Jesus toast.”

I think this is the longest I’ve ever stared at a dog’s puckered starfish.

335 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:44:35am

There are things that go on in the shadows. We know that they go on, but don’t want to put the spotlight on them.

A computer facility exists. We know this. We hack away. The Chinese know that we know. But we make-believe that we don’t know and the Chinese make-believe that they believe that we don’t know, but know that we know. Everybody knows.

That Snowden has gone and claimed to have provided this kind of details shows that he’s not the hero or saint that they’d wish him to be. He’s far removed from hero, and definitely isn’t sainted.

There’s still the question of confirming that he indeed knows/saw this information - and how the NSA will plug this particular leak (reforming the classified status system as kirkspenser has suggested most recently as yesterday comes to mind), but it also raises questions about his motivations and intentions.

336 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:45:01am

re: #312 Sol Berdinowitz

I don’t undersatnd why: a true Wingnut would believe that JFK deserved what he got and Obama deserves the same…

No, no - you gotta realize that JFK is used as an example of ‘What Democrats Used To Be” - he cut taxes and spent money on the Military:

Since then, Democrats have been taken over by Communists, Gays, Feminazis, and Moooooooozlimz.

That’s when they’re not arguing that Democrats were all KKK members, and it was only Rpublicans who voted for the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, of course.

337 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:46:12am
338 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:46:27am

re: #336 GeneJockey

No, no - you gotta realize that JFK is used as an example of ‘What Democrats Used To Be” - he cut taxes and spent money on the Military:

That’s when they’re not arguing that Democrats were all KKK members, and it was only Rpublicans who voted for the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, of course.

He was Catholic. End of discussion.

/

339 darthstar  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:46:49am

re: #334 darthstar

Too goddamn funny:

dangerousminds.net

Tweeted that with the hashtag #jesus - I suspect I’ll probably get a few angry replies as that’s not exactly a rare hashtag.

340 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:46:53am

re: #336 GeneJockey

No, no - you gotta realize that JFK is used as an example of ‘What Democrats Used To Be” - he cut taxes and spent money on the Military:

That’s when they’re not arguing that Democrats were all KKK members, and it was only Rpublicans who voted for the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, of course.

It’s true that JFK cut taxes because taxes were at a high rate going into the 60’s If JFK heard about the wealthy and their supporters complaining about Clinton era rates, he’d laugh. And as for the military, it’s not like Obama is for huge military cuts across the board, he’s for smart cuts. Gee that sounds a lot like Eisenhower. What a terrible leftist he was.// Oh wait the Birchers actually believe that Eisenhower was a commie agent.

341 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:48:19am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

It’s true that JFK cut taxes because taxes were at a high rate going into the 60’s If JFK heard about the wealthy and their supporters complaining about Clinton era rates, he’d laugh. And as for the military, it’s not like Obama is for huge military cuts across the board, he’s for smart cuts. Gee that sounds a lot like Eisenhower. What a terrible leftist he was.// Oh wait the Birchers actually believe that Eisenhower was a commie agent.

The problem with your thinking is that you think they’re thinking.
//

342 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:48:38am

re: #204 Bulworth

Not sure why I hadn’t been following @MsJoanne until now, but that’s been fixed.

me too…I have remedied that oversight.

343 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:49:19am
344 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:50:59am

re: #206 Vicious Babushka

6th recruiter now.

methinks it’s time for a recruiter bidding war…

345 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:51:49am

re: #219 Vicious Babushka

I could respond to all of them and start a bidding war. :)

oops! I should have continued reading first!

346 Gus  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:52:46am
347 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:53:19am

re: #206 Vicious Babushka

6th recruiter now.

Seriously, ask for $75/hr. If they go for it, you know you’re currently underpaid.

348 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 10:58:17am

re: #283 lawhawk

We break with your regularly scheduled posting to bring the following weather warning. The SPC has begun issuing watches and warnings across much of the Midwest and the Central US, with high likelihood of severe weather, including derechos, tornados, and severe t-storms with high winds.

If you’re in the affected areas, keep tabs on weather/radar reports, and seek shelter if they’re reporting derecho or tornadoes in your area.

that would be my area.
Hubs is a power lineman and has already been told to prepare for storm restoration, so I might not see him for a while.
Last summer the region was hit by two derechos and I only saw him a day or two at a time for a total of about maybe six days all summer.

349 stabby  Wed, Jun 12, 2013 11:17:23am

re: #335 lawhawk

There are things that go on in the shadows of a dog’s tail. We don’t want to put the spotlight on them.

fix’d


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