LA Times Contradicts Guardian Story of Snowden’s “Four Laptops”

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Today the LA Times has a report on how NSA leaker Edward Snowden smuggled classified documents out of the Hawaii office in which he worked: with a USB thumb drive. This is interesting information because it flatly contradicts yet another detail in the Guardian’s reporting.

WASHINGTON — Former National Security Agency contract employee Edward Snowden used a computer thumb drive to smuggle highly classified documents out of an NSA facility in Hawaii, using a portable digital device supposedly barred inside the cyber spying agency, U.S. officials said.

Investigators “know how many documents he downloaded and what server he took them from,” said one official who would not be named while speaking about the ongoing investigation.

Snowden worked as a system administrator, a technical job that gave him wide access to NSA computer networks and presumably a keen understanding of how those networks are monitored for unauthorized downloads.

The Guardian, on the other hand, claimed yesterday that Snowden somehow managed to smuggle four classified laptop computers out of the NSA facility and all the way to Hong Kong, and makes no mention whatsoever of a thumb drive: Edward Snowden: How the Spy Story of the Age Leaked Out | World News | the Guardian.

As he pulled a small black suitcase and carried a selection of laptop bags over his shoulders, no one would have paid much attention to Ed Snowden as he arrived at Hong Kong International Airport. But Snowden was not your average tourist or businessman. In all, he was carrying four computers that enabled him to gain access to some of the US government’s most highly-classified secrets.

It’s possible the government is not telling everything it knows about the case, obviously, but it’s much more believable that Snowden used a tiny USB thumb drive to sneak out with the top secret information — and the Guardian’s claim seems to fit into a pattern of wild exaggerations that has characterized their reporting from the start.

(Via Joshua Foust.)

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1 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:28:33am

Whoever was responsible for physical security at that location was criminally negligent regardless.

2 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:29:04am

So in the Guardian’s version, he’s a kleptomaniac, and in the LA Times version, he’s an idiot who doesn’t understand how information security works, and that all file copy/save actions are logged as part of any decent DLP (data loss prevention) program.

3 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:29:05am

re: #1 Kragar

Whoever was responsible for physical security at that location was criminally negligent regardless.

Very true.

4 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:30:05am

When I worked at the Job From Hell, I learned that USB ports on DoD laptops were disabled. However, SD slots were not.

5 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:31:40am

Rand Paul Wins Supreme Court Suit To Declare Patriot Act Unconstitutional

says he didn’t mean to destroy the republican party in the process

(well i can dream can’t i?)

6 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:32:11am

Where I work, you need to have a property pass signed to take any equipment in or out of the building, linking you to the device, plus cosigned by your office manager and your security office.

USB drives, cell phones, and cameras aren’t even allowed in the building.

WTF was BAH and the NSA doing?

I’m more pissed about this than anything Snowden could possibly come up with.

7 iossarian  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:34:31am

re: #6 Kragar

Where I work, you need to have a property pass signed to take any equipment in or out of the building, linking you to the device, plus cosigned by your office manager and your security office.

USB drives, cell phones, and cameras aren’t even allowed in the building.

WTF was BAH and the NSA doing?

I’m more pissed about this than anything Snowden could possibly come up with.

Just out of curiosity, how do they actually enforce the “no thumb drives” rule? Do they actually do spot checks, or do they just rely on making it hard to use them and/or disciplining anyone who’s caught trying to use one?

8 erik_t  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:34:52am

What a dumbfuck. In my time at $GOVTFACILITY, even plugging in a flash drive brought very rapid and very angry in-person response.

9 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:36:09am

re: #8 erik_t

What a dumbfuck. In my time at $GOVTFACILITY, even plugging in a flash drive brought very rapid and very angry in-person response.

Yep…a lot of places won’t let you charge your phone via USB due to phones being portable drives.

10 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:38:41am

re: #7 iossarian

Just out of curiosity, how do they actually enforce the “no thumb drives” rule? Do they actually do spot checks, or do they just rely on making it hard to use them and/or disciplining anyone who’s caught trying to use one?

Spot checks at the door, autodetect software that kicks off an alert if non authorized devices connect to a system, policing the other people in your office and getting written up and HR being notified.

Its not a joke around here, seen people fired over it when it first went into affect.

11 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:38:48am

Wouldn’t he know that laptop HDD can be taken out of 4 laptops in about 10 minutes? Why would he need the carcasses?

12 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:39:19am

The Times story says that some people have special permission to use thumb drives for technical reasons.

13 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:39:24am

re: #7 iossarian

Just out of curiosity, how do they actually enforce the “no thumb drives” rule? Do they actually do spot checks, or do they just rely on making it hard to use them and/or disciplining anyone who’s caught trying to use one?

And do they do full body cavity checks on everyone leaving and entering the premises? This sounds like a job for TSA!!!

14 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:39:58am

And we actually get stopped by security and get told “turn out your pockets and empty your bags” looking for unauthorized devices.

15 erik_t  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:40:02am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The Times story says that some people have special permission to use thumb drives for technical reasons.

We had to use portable hard drives exclusively. Something about automounting being different between the two, IIRC.

16 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:40:56am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The Times story says that some people have special permission to use thumb drives for technical reasons.

I can see one policy that is going to be reviewed.

17 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:41:45am

Next the Guardian will be saying he wheeled out giant server racks. Riding on them like a shopping cart. Whee!!!!

18 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:42:02am

re: #7 iossarian

Just out of curiosity, how do they actually enforce the “no thumb drives” rule? Do they actually do spot checks, or do they just rely on making it hard to use them and/or disciplining anyone who’s caught trying to use one?

For your first California license you must provide your social security number and proof that you are in the United States legally. Your thumb print or finger print, if you have no thumbs, will be taken.

19 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:42:55am

It just proves what every IT worker already knows.

The biggest threat on your computer network is a disgruntled employee.

20 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:43:31am

re: #17 Amory Blaine

Next the Guardian will be saying he wheeled out giant server racks. Riding on them like a shopping cart. Whee!!!!

Like Slim Pickens, air dropping them into Hong Kong.

21 Gus  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:43:52am
22 makeitstop  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:44:31am

re: #18 engineer cat

For your first California license you must provide your social security number and proof that you are in the United States legally. Your thumb print or finger print, if you have no thumbs, will be taken.

‘They took my thumbs, Chollie!’

23 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:44:33am

re: #19 Kragar

It just proves what every IT worker already knows.

The biggest threat on your computer network is a disgruntled employee.

But it’s so bothersome to keep them gruntled.

24 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:45:05am

So genes cannot be patented?

Wonder how the sky god feels about that …

:0

you?

25 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:45:37am

re: #7 iossarian

Just out of curiosity, how do they actually enforce the “no thumb drives” rule? Do they actually do spot checks, or do they just rely on making it hard to use them and/or disciplining anyone who’s caught trying to use one?

seriously, actually there are software/hardware systems in common use that track all documents within the company LAN/intranet - i’ve been interviewed for positions in companies that retail systems like this. all sensitive documents receive an electronic watermark. if any such documents are copied or transmitted in an unauthorized manner, an alarm is registered with the system

26 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:45:50am

re: #23 Decatur Deb

But it’s so bothersome to keep them gruntled.

I don’t understand how someone could not be gruntled with $62/hr and the hottest girlfriend in Hawaii.

27 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:46:02am

re: #15 erik_t

We had to use portable hard drives exclusively. Something about automounting being different between the two, IIRC.

On our shop’s SIPRnet, our only drives were locked in safes between uses.

28 erik_t  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:46:40am

re: #27 Decatur Deb

On our shop’s SIPRnet, our only drives were locked in safes between uses.

Oh, this wasn’t even classified material. This was just SOP on anything and everything.

29 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:46:49am

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

So genes cannot be patented?

Wonder how the sky god feels about that …

:0

you?

Only Human Genes.

30 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:48:11am

re: #29 darthstar

Round-Up will take care of your clones. ;)

31 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:48:17am

OT
WTF is this little assclown Derping about?

32 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:48:18am

Coulter shouts at Hannity over immigration: ‘You are like a liberal… the country is over!’

Hannity pressed Coulter about what she thought should be done with the 11 million undocumented immigrants after the border was certified secured if they they were not allowed to become citizens.

“You are like a liberal making a silly argument!” she exclaimed. “It’s a straw man argument. Nobody cares! This idea that it’s an emergency, it’s a crisis, it’s preposterous.”

“If the House passes anything concerning immigration — this is very important, Hannity viewers, so pay attention here — the House passes nothing but, say, e-Verify, it goes into the conference [committee] between the two bodies and it will come out an amnesty bill!” Coulter warned.

“At that point, if it is voted on the Senate and it is voted on in the House, we have amnesty, the country is over and the only thing left for you and me to do, Sean, is to punish the people who destroyed America.”

33 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:48:31am

US now concerned that Snowden may defect to China.

Investigators are scrambling to piece together what may have been swiped by Snowden, who said he was in contact with two reporters to whom he eventually leaked Top Secret files before he took a $122,000 a year job as an NSA contractor with technology consulting firm Booz Allen Hamilton in Hawaii last March.

The Guardian, the British paper that first broke stories on NSA surveillance programs allegedly based on Snowden’s information, reported overnight that Snowden took four laptops filled with secrets with him when he fled from Hawaii to Hong Kong late last month. Glenn Greenwald, a columnist for The Guardian, has promised more stories exposing U.S. operations were to come.

Jeremy Bash, former CIA and Pentagon Chief of Staff, told ABC News today that the possibility of Snowden defecting to China, or even cooperating with Chinese officials, is a top concern for U.S. officials.

“He could do tremendous damage,” Bash said during an interview for the ABC News/Yahoo Power Players series. “I think if a foreign government learned everything that was in Edward Snowden’s brain, they would have a good window into the way we collect signals intelligence… He had access to highly classified information.”

34 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:48:51am

Yep, there is a reason for the outrage on behalf of the Whackos. I remember years ago watching a propaganda video regarding this issue. I had forgotten about it. They are simply insane in regards to keeping a white minority.

35 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:49:26am

re: #14 Kragar

And we actually get stopped by security and get told “turn out your pockets and empty your bags” looking for unauthorized devices.

Do they check your poop?

36 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:49:36am

re: #29 darthstar

Only Human Genes.

So zombie genes are a free-for-all?

37 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:50:08am

re: #35 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Do they check your poop?

Only quarterly.

38 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:50:14am

re: #31 Vicious Babushka

OT
WTF is this little assclown Derping about?

patriarchy?

39 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:50:37am

re: #36 FemNaziBitch

So zombie genes are a free-for-all?

Zombie genes are human genes…just reanimated.

40 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:50:53am

*FACE PALM*

41 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:51:08am

re: #39 darthstar

Zombie genes are human genes…just reanimated.

Recycled.

42 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:51:08am

re: #35 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Do they check your poop?

No, we didn’t mean empty your colostomy bag!

43 erik_t  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:51:18am

re: #33 lawhawk

US now concerned that Snowden may defect to China.

I would argue he effectively did so the moment he advertised his presence in China. If the latter desires what’s in his head, they will have it.

44 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:51:23am

re: #32 Kragar

We’ve had amnesty before, including under Reagan, and the country didn’t hit the self-destruct button. It’s not going to do it here either, regardless of the inane rantings of Coulter.

In the end, creating a path to citizenship would be a net benefit to the economy - it would eliminate underground economy in many areas of the country.

Instead, Coulter aims right for the xenophobic wing of the GOP and hits its mark.

45 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:51:28am

re: #41 Kragar

Recycled.

Werewolf genes?

46 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:51:37am

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

God’s kinky like that.

47 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:51:41am

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

Then God can sleep on the fucking couch tonight!!

48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:51:42am

re: #31 Vicious Babushka

OT
WTF is this little assclown Derping about?

hmmm…NancyBoy quoting Book of Nancy…
//
Really, what a stupid way to insult Pelosi…oh wait, almost forgot who made it up…

49 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:51:56am

re: #33 lawhawk

US now concerned that Snowden may defect to China.

…snip “I think if a foreign government learned everything that was in Edward Snowden’s brain, they would have a good window into the way we collect signals intelligence…”


If they knew everything in his brain, they might send him back strapped to a gurney.

50 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:53:23am

re: #32 Kragar

Coulter shouts at Hannity over immigration: ‘You are like a liberal… the country is over!’

She used to be in performance art, now she’s just the cleanup mop.

51 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:53:51am


Yeah, its Obama’s fault Walmart decided to fuck its workers again.

52 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:53:59am

re: #49 Decatur Deb

They’d have information that may or may not be true - exaggerated to the point of no longer representing reality. The utility of that information - like say the capabilities and methods the NSA uses to hack may be of dubious quality considering what we know of Snowden thus far.

Still, the possibility exists that he knows exactly what the NSA is worried about and could do serious damage to NSA efforts to keep the nation safe.

53 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:54:42am

re: #43 erik_t

I would argue he effectively did so the moment he advertised his presence in China. If the latter desires what’s in his head, they will have it.

When they give him back and they ask about Greenwald he’ll respond, “Glenn Greenwald is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

54 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:54:43am
55 EPR-radar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:54:46am

re: #44 lawhawk

We’ve had amnesty before, including under Reagan, and the country didn’t hit the self-destruct button. It’s not going to do it here either, regardless of the inane rantings of Coulter.

In the end, creating a path to citizenship would be a net benefit to the economy - it would eliminate underground economy in many areas of the country.

Instead, Coulter aims right for the xenophobic wing of the GOP and hits its mark.

The difficulty I tend to have with immigration reform is that the employers will always have an incentive to preferentially hire undocumented people because they are easier to abuse.

Legalizing people who are presently undocumented just means that a new set of undocumented people will end up being employed.

AFAIK, the immigration reform proposals don’t really seem to have any employer sanctions with teeth.

56 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:55:22am

re: #54 darthstar

Here’s the video by itself

Youtube Video

57 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:55:42am

re: #32 Kragar

wolverines!

58 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:55:53am

re: #51 Kragar

59 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:56:03am

re: #45 FemNaziBitch

Werewolf genes?

Too tight. No room for imagination.

60 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:58:00am

Oh FFS:

61 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:58:49am
62 erik_t  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:58:55am

re: #60 lawhawk

Rebranding part threeve.

63 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:59:00am

re: #51 Kragar

Wal-Mart now just hiring temporary workers because of ObamaCare

um, maybe except that walmart denies it

Walmart U.S. Chief Executive Bill Simon also confirmed that the company is hiring more temp workers. “Their hours flex by the needs of the business from time to time,” he told reporters the day before Wal-Mart’s annual meeting last week.

The hiring strategy could save Wal-Mart money by trimming labor costs at a time when its margins remain under pressure. Many consumers are still struggling given a high jobless rate and lack of income growth, leaving retailers of everyday goods with little pricing power, according to other company CEOs and benefits experts. Competition from dollar stores, other big box discount chains and grocery stores is also intense.

It also could set an example for some other companies as they look for ways to cushion themselves from a potential rise in healthcare costs next year as a result of President Barack Obama’s health care reforms, according industry experts and retail executives. Tovar said that the move wasn’t related to these reforms, commonly known as Obamacare, but he did acknowledge that it could take a year or more for temporary workers to receive health care benefits. Turnover in retail often occurs within the first few months.

64 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:59:56am

re: #51 Kragar

remind me again on the profits reported by WalMart last year?

65 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:59:58am
66 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:00:05pm

Any lizards looking for a job in Oregon?

Front-end Sharepoint Web Developer
Woodburn, OR
6 months
Rate $90/hr

67 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:00:48pm

re: #63 engineer cat

also, in regard to this, wingnuts continue to pass around the business-ignorant meme that walmart will “have to pass on increased costs to the consumer”

68 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:01:34pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Oh FFS:

I told you she’d find work again after Fox. Wait…

69 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:02:26pm

re: #66 Vicious Babushka

Any lizards looking for a job in Oregon?

Front-end Sharepoint Web Developer
Woodburn, OR
6 months
Rate $90/hr

Woodburn is a truly weird little town, but I’d move there in heartbeat for $90/hr., if it was in a bike shop.

70 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:02:34pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Oh FFS:

Good news—she’s not running for anything.

71 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:03:10pm

Democrats rap Scott Walker for rescinding student’s UW Regents appointment

Gov. Scott Walker’s withdrawal of his student appointment to the University of Wisconsin System’s Board of Regents — a student who signed a petition calling for the governor’s recall two years ago — is drawing fire from Democratic lawmakers.

The governor’s press secretary confirmed Thursday that Walker withdrew the nomination of Joshua Inglett, who just completed his sophomore year at UW-Platteville, but did not respond to questions about the reason for the withdrawal.

Walker refused to say why he pulled Inglett’s appointment.

Sen. Fred Risser (D-Madison), who was first elected to the Legislature in 1956, said he had never seen anything like Walker’s rescinding the appointment. Risser has served with 12 governors — six Republican and six Democratic.

“If signing a recall petition disqualifies a person, that means a million citizens are no longer eligible for public service in this administration,” Risser said, referring to the nearly 1 million people who signed the petition to recall Walker.

“This is the most partisan government we’ve ever had in my experience,” Risser said of Walker’s administration.

72 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:03:31pm

re: #69 wrenchwench

Woodburn is a truly weird little town, but I’d move there in heartbeat for $90/hr., if it was in a bike shop.

What is the awful seekrit of Woodburn?

73 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:05:13pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

What is the awful seekrit of Woodburn?

Vampires and zombies.

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:05:22pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

What is the awful seekrit of Woodburn?

en.wikipedia.org

Interesting population demographics mix for Oregon, isn’t that?

75 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:05:40pm
76 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:05:43pm

re: #73 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Naw… that’s up the road in Forks. /

77 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:06:37pm

re: #73 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Vampires and zombies.

They are strangely void of werewolves tho.

78 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:06:46pm

Zimmerman jury to be sequestered, 2-4 week trial expected

2 to 4 weeks with no TV or internet??! No LOLZ memes?! No LGF?! No youtubes, MMfA, the Daily Show….AND….No pron!??!!? The humanity.

79 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:06:52pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

80 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:06:53pm

re: #58 lawhawk

Seriously. What a load of shit. If Fischer actually believes that Wal-Mart is doing this because of ACA then he is more stupid than I thought he was.

81 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:07:32pm

Palin’s back on Fox? She was gone what a few months? I missed her cunning wit and wisdom so much.

82 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:07:34pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Seriously. What a load of shit. If Fischer actually believes that Wal-Mart is doing this because of ACA then he is more stupid than I thought he was.

I think it’s a combination of age, ego, and lazy brain.

83 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:07:59pm

Ron Johnson: ‘Restoring faith in government’ is the ‘wrong solution’

Tea party-backed Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) on Thursday told a conservative conference in Washington, D.C. that “restoring faith in government” was the “wrong solution” and that lawmakers should instead be encouraging “distrust.”

Speaking to the Faith and Freedom Coalition’s Road to Majority conference, Johnson said that too many Americans had forgotten the “foundational premise of this nation,” that the Founding Fathers understood government was “something to fear.”

“Americans are willingly trading their freedom and ours for the false sense, for the false promise of economic security,” he opined.

Johnson asserted that congressional approval ratings of 9 percent were “too high.”

84 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:08:18pm

re: #74 Feline Fearless Leader

en.wikipedia.org

Interesting population demographics mix for Oregon, isn’t that?

They have an outlet mall and a juvie prison. Which one pays $90/hr for a Sharepoint developer?

85 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:08:29pm

re: #82 FemNaziBitch

I think it’s a combination of age, ego, and lazy brain.

I think it’s the latter. He’s probably around the same age as my father I imagine. Guy just likes to delude himself.

86 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:08:58pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

We’re dancing in the aisles here.

Youtube Video

87 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:09:16pm

Fucking rain ruining my ability to do laps today. But on the bright side, 15 pounds in just about 40 days.

88 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:09:50pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

What is the awful seekrit of Woodburn?

They have one or two HUGE senior citizen-only communities, a large number of Russian Old Believers, and the rest are regular small-town Oregonians (higher than normal weirdo levels). I see from Oaktree’s link that the percentage of Hispanics is higher than when I was there. I had a door-to-door job there. No better way to get to know an area.

89 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:10:30pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

possibly in response to replacing that Uppity Megyn Kelly for dissing Erik son of Erik on the air. (one can hope anyways)

90 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:10:33pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Fucking rain ruining my ability to do laps today. But on the bright side, 15 pounds in just about 40 days.

When I move up to LA, I’ll have full time access to a pool again, which will be nice.

91 erik_t  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:11:38pm

re: #83 Kragar

Ron Johnson: ‘Restoring faith in government’ is the ‘wrong solution’

I’ll start with Ron Johnson.

Jesus, that looks like something from the Onion.

92 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:12:03pm

re: #53 Feline Fearless Leader

When they give him back and they ask about Greenwald he’ll respond, “Glenn Greenwald is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

Upding for the Capt. Stern court room scene from Heavy Metal.

93 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:12:19pm

re: #83 Kragar

What a worthless SOB.

94 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:12:35pm

re: #90 Kragar

When I move up to LA, I’ll have full time access to a pool again, which will be nice.

It really is nice to have one nearby. My plan is once I get under 200 to learn how to surf. It will probably be as funny as when I tried to skateboard but I’m going to be in better shape than I was when I tried that.

95 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:12:37pm

re: #92 Bubblehead II

Upding for the Capt. Stern court room scene from Heavy Metal.

Manchurian Candidate —no?

96 Gus  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:13:06pm
97 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:13:25pm

re: #89 piratedan

possibly in response to replacing that Uppity Megyn Kelly for dissing Erik son of Erik on the air. (one can hope anyways)

That was a set-up.

98 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:13:28pm

re: #83 Kragar

Wisconsin is in a sad state of affairs. Sigh.

99 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:14:19pm

re: #98 Amory Blaine

Wisconsin is in a sad state of affairs. Sigh.

The whole country is in bad state-of-affairs. And will be until the Whackos get over their fear of black people.

100 jaunte  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:14:26pm

re: #83 Kragar

Johnson asserted that congressional approval ratings of 9 percent were “too high.”

Mirror. Does not have.

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:14:30pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

They have one or two HUGE senior citizen-only communities, a large number of Russian Old Believers, and the rest are regular small-town Oregonians (higher than normal weirdo levels). I see from Oaktree’s link that the percentage of Hispanics is higher than when I was there. I had a door-to-door job there. No better way to get to know an area.

My parents used to live in the Bend-Prineville area in the late 90s. (East of Woodburn and on the east side of the Cascades.) That area was turning into a huge retirement community while they were there and looking at the Wiki page the population there is still growing.

102 Christopher's Bitchins  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:14:49pm

re: #83 Kragar

Ron Johnson is a male Sarah Palin, there is virtually no difference between them. I moved out of Wisconsin right before they jumped hand in hand off the cliff with the GOP. My friends back home have began referring to the home state of the progressive movement as “Wississippi”. It’s pretty grim whenever I talk to someone back home, not a lot of optimism in Wisco right now. What a bummer.

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:15:25pm

re: #95 FemNaziBitch

Manchurian Candidate —no?

Yes. Manchurian Candidate.
:)

104 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:16:28pm

That high pitched keening noise you hear is the Right Wing Hate Machine kicking into overdrive:


Whites Becoming The Minority Among U.S. Population Under Five

For the first time, America’s racial and ethnic minorities now make up about half of the under-5 age group, the government said Thursday. It’s a historic shift that shows how young people are at the forefront of sweeping changes by race and class.

The new census estimates, a snapshot of the U.S. population as of July 2012, comes a year after the Census Bureau reported that whites had fallen to a minority among babies. Fueled by immigration and high rates of birth, particularly among Hispanics, racial and ethnic minorities are now growing more rapidly in numbers than whites.

Based on current rates of growth, whites in the under-5 group are expected to tip to a minority this year or next, Thomas Mesenbourg, the Census Bureau’s acting director, said.

The government also projects that in five years, minorities will make up more than half of children under 18. Not long after, the total U.S. white population will begin an inexorable decline in absolute numbers, due to aging baby boomers.

Youtube Video

105 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:17:21pm

re: #102 Christopher’s Bitchins

too bad they had such a case of ethical purity on the recall, people got confused over the debate as to whether there should even have been a recall or not. Incredibly sage use of “the shiny” to distract folks from viewing it as a mandate on Gov. Asshat

106 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:17:35pm

Hey Gus, just so you know - that guy you just tweeted to is another obsessed stalker. He’s tried to register numerous sock puppets at LGF.

107 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:18:19pm

re: #96 Gus

And yet again around Colorado Springs.

I do need to note here, that Black Forest has refused to incorporate several times, as they did want to have additional taxes to pay for services, and hydrants and stuff.

This is what small government looks like. What is happening a scant 3-5 miles north of me is the textbook example why small government doesn’t work.

108 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:18:33pm

re: #104 Kragar

wonder if this will start the GOP to begin a program of “embracing your inner slut for the tribe”…. nah……..

109 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:18:51pm

re: #101 Feline Fearless Leader

My parents used to live in the Bend-Prineville area in the late 90s. (East of Woodburn and on the east side of the Cascades.) That area was turning into a huge retirement community while they were there and looking at the Wiki page the population there is still growing.

A woman was in here a few years back, grilling me about this town (which seems to happen at least once a week). She was looking for a small town to move to, because where she lived had gotten too big. I asked where that was, and my jaw dropped when she said, “Bend”.

110 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:19:11pm

Fires at Colorado Springs are obviously signs of God’s wrath.
/

111 Gus  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:19:51pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Hey Gus, just so you know - that guy you just tweeted to is another obsessed stalker. He’s tried to register numerous sock puppets at LGF.

Yeah, I know.

112 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:19:53pm

re: #104 Kragar

That high pitched keening noise you hear is the Right Wing Hate Machine kicking into overdrive:

Whites Becoming The Minority Among U.S. Population Under Five

[Embedded content]

Topic already covered: paged by Heywood and commented on by me @ #34.

Why do you think the all-out effort to control vaginas?

113 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:20:10pm

re: #108 piratedan

wonder if this will start the GOP to begin a program of “embracing your inner slut for the tribe”…. nah……..

They call it having a quiver full.

114 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:20:13pm

re: #110 Kragar

Fires at Colorado Springs are obviously signs of God’s wrath.
/

FALSE GALF!!!

115 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:22:04pm

re: #113 Kragar

They call it having a quiver full.

OMG! I forgot about the “quiver”

Curse you for reminding me!

116 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:23:18pm

re: #115 FemNaziBitch

OMG! I forgot about the “quiver”

Curse you for reminding me!

Allow me to apologize with this:

Youtube Video

117 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:23:41pm

re: #108 piratedan

wonder if this will start the GOP to begin a program of “embracing your inner slut for the tribe”…. nah……..

Start it? IT IS THE WHOLE REASON FOR THE need to control vaginas.

I saw a propaganda video a few years ago that highlighted the need for white people to have babies to keep up with brown people. I totally forgot about it until I saw this newstory.

You think this concerted effort with TRAP laws became so well orchestrated overnight?

118 jaunte  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:23:47pm
119 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:24:05pm
120 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:24:34pm

re: #117 FemNaziBitch

we must repopulate the Fatherland……

121 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:24:53pm

re: #95 FemNaziBitch

Manchurian Candidate —no?

Pretty sure that it’s from Heavy Metal. The scrawny guy who morphs into the giant that pretty much destroys the space station only to be spaced by Stern after paying him off.

Youtube Video

122 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:25:18pm

re: #120 piratedan

we must repopulate the Fatherland……

Kinder, Küche, Kirch

123 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:25:33pm

re: #121 Bubblehead II

aye, it’s the Stern speech

124 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:25:47pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

A woman was in here a few years back, grilling me about this town (which seems to happen at least once a week). She was looking for a small town to move to, because where she lived had gotten too big. I asked where that was, and my jaw dropped when she said, “Bend”.

According to its Wiki page population of Bend went from 20,469 (1990) to 52,029 (2000) and then to 76,639 (2010). And presumably the surrounding area expanded as well in terms of build-up and development. (216,000 as of 2008 in the Bend-Prineville area.)

Where my brother-in-law lives in western Colorado has been doing that as well. Steamboat Springs can’t expand that readily eastward due to immediate elevation and the pass that way - so the development has been creeping out US 40 headed west. Though no where near the pop growth that data on Bend indicates.

125 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:25:52pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I guess there were complaints about Sarah wandering the streets, shouting at people.

126 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:26:45pm

re: #123 piratedan

aye, it’s the Stern speech

“STERN! HANGINGS TOO GOOD FOR HIM! BURNINGS TOO GOOD FOR HIM! HE OUGHT TO BE TORN INTO LITTLE BITTY PIECES THEN BURIED ALIVE!!!

127 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:27:07pm

re: #122 Kragar

next thing you know, they’ll be a mine shaft gap that has to be addressed…..

128 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:27:18pm

re: #103 Feline Fearless Leader

Yes. Manchurian Candidate.
:)

My bad then. But the parallels are quite close.

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:27:28pm

re: #123 piratedan

aye, it’s the Stern speech

Could be both, with the Stern speech making a reference to The Manchurian Candidate as well. I was referring to the later since I am not familiar with the former.

130 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:27:29pm

re: #83 Kragar

Ron Johnson: ‘Restoring faith in government’ is the ‘wrong solution’

Yeah because it’s so much better to have people paranoid and not trust their own government, Ron. Seriously Wisconsin how the hell do you replace Russ Feingold with a guy like this? Healthy skepticism of government power is one thing, acting like ti’s a bad solution to restore faith in government is fucking stupid.

131 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:27:39pm

re: #116 Kragar

Allow me to apologize with this:

You are forgiven.

132 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:28:15pm

re: #118 jaunte

And then get nominated for VP as a maverick outsider by John MCCain!

133 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:28:37pm

re: #127 piratedan

next thing you know, they’ll be a mine shaft gap that has to be addressed…..

Will Beck suddenly yell, “Mein Fuhrer, I can talk!” right at the end?
//

134 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:29:19pm

re: #118 jaunte

135 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:29:35pm

re: #104 Kragar

I was wondering what that high-pitched, whiny noise was.

I can hear it all the way over here, near the border of Poland.

136 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:29:57pm

re: #129 Feline Fearless Leader

both great films in their own way, but I have to admit that the Heavy Metal scene came first and then an “oh yeah” moment for Manchurian Candidate (who Heavy Metal most likely lifted it from).

137 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:30:27pm

re: #104 Kragar

That high pitched keening noise you hear is the Right Wing Hate Machine kicking into overdrive:

Whites Becoming The Minority Among U.S. Population Under Five

[Embedded content]

Obligatory

Image: ewCI8.jpg

138 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:30:34pm

re: #121 Bubblehead II

“Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

I’ve never even heard of the clip you posted. LOL

139 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:31:26pm

Paranoid bigot is unhappy.


140 Joanne  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:31:51pm
141 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:32:06pm

re: #133 Feline Fearless Leader

well if I had my druthers, I’d rather he be riding that big one down outta the sky… but that would probably be unkind of me to say that out loud.

142 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:32:37pm

re: #137 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Obligatory

Image: ewCI8.jpg

Yes, I think that is in my image library, I love it!

143 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:32:47pm

re: #51 Kragar

Yeah, its Obama’s fault Walmart decided to fuck its workers again.

and the temp workers will STILL need food stamps…

144 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:33:16pm

re: #139 darthstar

Paranoid bigot is unhappy.

Yeah how dare they protest you, a man who wants to send them back to countries they barely know. Get a fucking grip douchenozzle.

145 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:33:31pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the temp workers will STILL need food stamps…

Nice when you can get the government (taxpayers who don’t shop at your store) to pay your employees for you.

146 Joanne  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:34:33pm

re: #76 lawhawk

Naw… that’s up the road in Forks. /

That you know this cracks me up!

147 Lidane  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:37:29pm

re: #139 darthstar

Paranoid bigot is unhappy.

Yeah, those brazen illegal immigrants are sure scary looking:

Image: BMpfSiSCYAE4JbM-e1371146653378.jpg

Ooga booga!

148 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:37:29pm

re: #146 Joanne

It’s a guilty pleasure. Watching those godforsaken movies on Showtime over and over. It’s the trainwreck of it all.

And Mrs. Lawhawk takes full credit/blame for getting me to watch ‘em.

They are stupendous in their awfulness.

But here’s the thing.

I actually knew where Forks was before the movies/books came out - I visited when I did the Olympic Park loop a few years back and drove through the town.

If I knew then what I know now, I would have burned the place to the ground and scattered the ashes to the four winds. //////

149 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:37:31pm

The more I hear Congressional Republicans speak the more I think P.J O’Rourke was right about Republicans being the party that proves government doesn’t work. Of course, we could solve that by electing less Republicans. In the past, we had Republican congressmembers who certainly didn’t see government as the solution but they weren’t in a rush to demonize the very idea of government. These guys are nothing but anarchist wannabes with so-con agendas.

150 erik_t  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:38:27pm

re: #147 Lidane

Yeah, those brazen illegal immigrants are sure scary looking:

Image: BMpfSiSCYAE4JbM-e1371146653378.jpg

Ooga booga!

Those immigrants sure are scary looking, if you’re a Republican seeking elected office.

151 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:38:28pm
152 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:39:07pm

Sometimes, you just need to see a baby penguin get tickled.

Youtube Video

153 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:39:08pm

re: #147 Lidane

Yeah, those brazen illegal immigrants are sure scary looking:

Image: BMpfSiSCYAE4JbM-e1371146653378.jpg

Ooga booga!

Scary, some of them may speak a language Stevie doesn’t know. But really, they look like normal kids to me. One of my best friends growing up was from Peru. My brother’s fiance is from there too. King and the other know nothing idiots in his party think DEPORT and you’ve solved a problem. No, what you do when you mass deport just for the sake of mass deporting is ruin people who are going to be or already are contributing members to American society.

154 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:39:55pm
You promise border security. How, when we can’t secure Congress from Obama amnesty? Schumer, McCain, come guard my door.

Sounds like he’s losing his grip. If he had one to begin with…

155 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:40:04pm

Wausau council member: Keep gay pride parade away

The first gay pride parade is scheduled to take place in Wausau in about a week. While preparations for the parade are underway, one city council member is making it clear—he’s not rolling out the welcome mat.

Wausau City Council member David Nutting is open about his views on Wausau’s first gay pride parade.

“Where in no doubt, their choice of indecent behavior will be on full display, for influential children and the media to proclaim it worldwide,” said Nutting at Tuesday night’s city council meeting.

“I ask that all residents stay away from the parade, or if you do go, stand with your back to the parade of deviant behaving individuals,” said Nutting in that meeting.

156 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:40:28pm
157 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:40:42pm
158 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:41:25pm

re: #155 Amory Blaine

Wausau council member: Keep gay pride parade away

Yeah we don’t want kids seeing gay people who aren’t being bullied simply because of their sexual orientation. It goes against our agenda that gay people are miserable.

159 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:41:43pm

re: #147 Lidane

Yeah, those brazen illegal immigrants are sure scary looking:

Image: BMpfSiSCYAE4JbM-e1371146653378.jpg

Ooga booga!

Can’t have that, they’ll go to law school and get involved in government and next thing you know they’ll be treated the same as white people under the law

160 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:42:12pm

re: #152 Kragar

Sometimes, you just need to see a baby penguin get tickled.

[Embedded content]

Tangential:

161 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:42:29pm

re: #147 Lidane

Brings back “fond” memories of when Repubs like King stirred up the Birchers, I mean teabaggers, to shout down speakers at Congressional townhalls. King’s getting a little bit of his own medicine.

162 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:42:33pm

re: #151 darthstar

not even sure how you parody this kind of willful asshattery.

163 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:43:48pm
164 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:44:09pm

Alleged Pedophile Klayman: Obama Using NSA Surveillance Program to Control the Population Through Blackmail

Steve Malzberg of Newsmax interviewed Larry Klayman about his multi-billion dollar lawsuits over the NSA surveillance program, which Klayman alleged was being used “by the President and his comrades to try to control the United States and its population” through blackmail:

“You will back Obamacare or we’ll tell the people at the PTA you bought those cookies and didn’t bake them yourself!”

“YOU BASTARDS!”

165 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:44:55pm

re: #162 piratedan

not even sure how you parody this kind of willful asshattery.

hmm, I seem to remember an fundamentalist imam saying the same thing about polio vaccines … .

166 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:45:26pm

re: #163 darthstar

BAH should release the resume Snowden submitted when he applied for the job. My guess is there is some claim of college degree on that piece of paper.

167 Lidane  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:45:39pm

re: #152 Kragar

168 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:48:47pm

re: #167 Lidane

“I keep going into “play-down” but that other thing isnt, what else can I do?”

169 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:49:03pm

re: #164 Kragar

Alleged Pedophile Klayman: Obama Using NSA Surveillance Program to Control the Population Through Blackmail

“You will back Obamacare or we’ll tell the people at the PTA you bought those cookies and didn’t bake them yourself!”

“YOU BASTARDS!”

I guess someone doesn’t realize that the intelligence establishment is more less the same as it was under Bush. General Clapper ran NGA when Bush was president. Some faces change like Panetta replacing Hayden but alot of these intel guys are former military and have served both Bush and Obama. But enough logic and facts for Larry Klayman’s paranoid mind. And this is exactly why I’m pissed at Greenwald and Snowden, they’ve made it very hard to have a reasonable discussion on this issue when you’ve got even more paranoid nutcases like Klayman making these kind of claims without any basis in fact.

170 AntonSirius  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:49:42pm

re: #31 Vicious Babushka

OT
WTF is this little assclown Derping about?

171 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:50:30pm

There is now an evacuation in Colorado Springs proper. Very North End. Half way between me and Monument.

172 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:52:25pm

re: #170 AntonSirius

I also missed the part of the Bible where Jesus’s teachings resembled Gordon Gecko’s more so than his actual teachings but please proceed Ben and tell us that it’s perfectly lawful and not intrusive at all to tell a woman especially one who’s been raped that she must have a baby and that it’s tyranny for the government to make it easier and affordable for people less off to have health care.

173 Lidane  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:52:37pm

re: #31 Vicious Babushka

OT
WTF is this little assclown Derping about?

Pelosi Slaps Down Reporters Asking Questions on Abortion

When she opened the newser up to questions, John McCormack, a reporter with the Weekly Standard, challenged Pelosi to explain the moral difference between murdering a live-born fetus, exemplified by the horrors of a recently convicted Philadelphia doctor, Kermit Gosnell, and fetuses aborted in the womb during the final four months of a pregnancy.

“O.K. You’re probably enjoying that question a lot. I can see you savoring it,” Pelosi said, in scathing tones, prompting a chorus of laughter from some members of the Congressional press corps. “Let me just tell you this. What was done in Philadelphia was reprehensible, and everybody condemned it. For them to decide to disrespect a judgment a woman makes about her reproductive health is reprehensible.”

Pelosi then tried to move on, asking reporters for the “next question.”
But McCormack jumped in and continued pressing Pelosi to explain the moral difference “between 26 weeks, selective abortion, and the killing of that same infant born alive.”

“This is not the issue. They are saying that there’s no abortion. They want to make it a federal law that there’ll be no abortion in our country,” Pelosi retorted. “You’re taking the extreme case. You’re taking the extreme case. And what I’m saying to you is what happened in Philadelphia was reprehensible.”

Gosnell was accused of performing late-term abortions on four babies who were born alive, but he then allegedly killed. He was convicted last month on three counts of first-degree murder.

Still, the reporter did not relent and repeatedly asked Pelosi to address the heart of his question, but she was having none of it.

174 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:52:39pm

We really, really need to get a male-birth control pill or give away free condoms.

Men still have more options in regards to sexual freedom than women, yet there are a few men to whom this article applies. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to be the minority that create unwanted pregnancies.

175 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:53:03pm

re: #170 AntonSirius

Jesus performed an abortion?

176 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:53:34pm

WI State Senate vote on SB206 (Abortion bill) 6.12.13

Youtube Video

177 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:55:18pm
178 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:55:47pm

Jeff Flake has some competition in the ‘who raised a bigger asshole for a son’ department.

179 Gus  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:55:52pm


Rebranding.

180 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:56:08pm

re: #173 Lidane

Less government. Don’t tread on me. Focused like a laser beam….

181 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:57:02pm

re: #179 Gus

Rebranding.

And this is one of their younger guys. Yeah I’m supposed to have faith that the GOP’s going to come around LGBT rights issues. I may have a tinge of idealism in me but I am not stupid.

182 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:57:51pm

re: #179 Gus

Rebranding.

Does that mean its legal to fire people for being bigoted assholes?

183 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:58:13pm

re: #179 Gus

conversely, can we fire Rubio for being a bigoted lying prick?

184 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:58:15pm

Wisconsin fans of small government go big when it comes to the uterus

Wisconsin’s self-proclaimed fans of small government are wrapping women in red tape.

A bill that puts more bureaucratic hoops in front of a legal abortion in Wisconsin passed in the state senate this morning - after Senator Vinehout read letters from constituents including an emotional letter from a rape survivor who said that if society made an effort to stop rape, a lot of abortions would not be necessary.

Senator Vinehout added that the letter resonated with her especially since she was sexually assaulted when she was 15 years old.

Senator Vuckmir called Senator Vinehout’s statement ‘theatrics’.

185 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:58:37pm

re: #180 Bulworth

jobs jobs jobs

186 Lidane  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:58:42pm
187 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:58:53pm

re: #176 Amory Blaine

WI State Senate vote on SB206 (Abortion bill) 6.12.13

total confusion and forcing of bill thru?

188 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:59:16pm

re: #9 darthstar

Yep…a lot of places won’t let you charge your phone via USB due to phones being portable drives.

We just had a memo go out about that a couple weeks ago. And we just make software for vehicle dealerships management. Far from a high security risk position.

189 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 12:59:18pm

re: #178 darthstar

Jeff Flake has some competition in the ‘who raised a bigger asshole for a son’ department.

Usually that kind of language is learned at home. But great to see the values types are more mad at Rob Portman for defending his gay son than they are at the sons of Flake and Heck for throwing bigoted language around on the internets.

190 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:00:33pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

And this is one of their younger guys. Yeah I’m supposed to have faith that the GOP’s going to come around LGBT rights issues. I may have a tinge of idealism in me but I am not stupid.

Americans are whatever we want them to be.

To Conservatives, its an exclusive club to people who think and act exactly the way they do.

To me, its anyone who wants to live free.

191 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:00:33pm

re: #183 piratedan

conversely, can we fire Rubio for being a bigoted lying prick?

Florida should have never hired him in the first place. Rubio’s another hypocritical conservative asshole who bitches about the government having a role in improving people’s lot but is just fine with businesses having the state’s permission to discriminate.

192 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:00:45pm

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

Yes they stopped debate and passed it.

More info.

193 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:01:22pm

Well I hope those moderate voters in Wisconsin who voted against recalling Wanker are happy. Yeah he’s really for small government. What a fucking joke.

194 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:02:11pm
195 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:02:34pm

If conservatives are going to defend the right of employers to fire people because they’re gay then they need to be honest and tell us that given that logic it should be okay to fire people because of their race, gender, or religion.. Of course, some of them do feel that way.

196 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:02:51pm

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

No Problem. Walkers sez ‘most people support wand-testing.” //

197 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:03:53pm

re: #194 darthstar

You know, if you’re hiring someone back just to annoy their critics, you’re doing it all wrong. Palin will probably say something that will annoy me no doubt but it’s not going to “drive me crazy” Greta, I have better things to drive me crazy than Sarah Palin.

198 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:04:05pm
199 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:04:15pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

or their politics or where they went to school…..

200 AntonSirius  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:04:17pm

re: #175 FemNaziBitch

Jesus performed an abortion?

Prove he didn’t.

201 piratedan  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:05:01pm

re: #196 Bulworth

most people being old white guys with a theocratic bent

202 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:05:44pm

re: #199 piratedan

or their politics or where they went to school…..

Yep. Seriously, if you’re going to oppose protection for gays, you may as well go all out and say it’s always acceptable to do that. They of course can’t do that because then they wouldn’t have any ground to stand on if someone was fired or not hired for being a conservative Christian.

203 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:07:04pm

I’m waiting for the first Lesbian Muslim to get elected to high office to really drive people insane.

204 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:07:57pm
205 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:08:32pm

And the movie guys I’m working with are totally on board with my alien background and designs as we move forward.

206 Joanne  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:09:04pm

re: #152 Kragar

Sometimes, you just need to see a baby penguin get tickled.

My puppy’s head almost did a 360 hearing that baby pengy.

207 darthstar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:09:34pm

re: #205 Kragar

And the movie guys I’m working with are totally on board with my alien background and designs as we move forward.

Doing the jobs real earthlings won’t?

208 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:09:35pm

re: #194 darthstar

This reminds me. Deat TCOTRWNJTGDN, I’m a Liberal libtard and Ted Cruz scares me. to. death. I’m shaking.

/

209 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:10:00pm

re: #207 darthstar

Doing the jobs real earthlings won’t?

SILENCE!

210 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:11:01pm

OT, but here in my little part of the world, we have an epic shitstorm brewing. A major political scandal involving corruption has resulted in the arrest of an aide close to the PM, Petr Nečas, and several other leading political figures in the Civil Democratic Party (ODS). It’s possible this could lead to the collapse of the Czech government, with new elections having to be held if the current Parliament is dissolved.

rferl.org

This is big news over here, needless to say.

211 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:12:05pm

And yes, we’re going with the non humanoid Lovecraftian inspired aliens.

212 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:12:53pm

re: #210 Dr Lizardo

OT, but here in my little part of the world, we have an epic shitstorm brewing. A major political scandal involving corruption has resulted in the arrest of an aide close to the PM, Petr Nečas, and several other leading political figures in the Civil Democratic Party (ODS). It’s possible this could lead to the collapse of the Czech government, with new elections having to be held if the current Parliament is dissolved.

rferl.org

This is big news over here, needless to say.

It is. And since people always got Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia mixed, I saw the other day that the former Slovene PM is going ot prison for a couple years Does the CR have the climate change denying dude as President? Vaclav Klaus I believe?.

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:13:17pm

re: #211 Kragar

And yes, we’re going with the non humanoid Lovecraftian inspired aliens.

Who are oddly hooked up upon the prophecies and predictions of their astrologers?
;)

214 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:14:43pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

It is. And since people always got Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia mixed, I saw the other day that the former Slovene PM is going ot prison for a couple years Does the CR have the climate change denying dude as President? Vaclav Klaus I believe?.

No, Klaus is gone. He’s been replaced by Miloš Zeman, who to the best of my knowledge, is not a climate-change denier.

215 Kragar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:15:31pm

re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader

Who are oddly hooked up upon the prophecies and predictions of their astrologers?
;)

Nope, just extremely pissed about what was does to them in the past and don’t give a shit about collateral damage.

216 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:16:56pm

It is not out of the question that another portion of COS burns down today.

Again though, are we allowed to disclose our own birthdays on here?

217 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:18:28pm

re: #214 Dr Lizardo

No, Klaus is gone. He’s been replaced by Miloš Zeman, who to the best of my knowledge, is not a climate-change denier.

Ah gotcha. I remember feeling embarrassed for the CR and its people that they had Klaus. But these are the same people who gave us Havel so I cut slack.

218 EPR-radar  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:20:03pm

re: #216 ProTARDISLiberal

It is not out of the question that another portion of COS burns down today.

Again though, are we allowed to disclose our own birthdays on here?

Why are you asking whether or not something that is self-evidently a bad idea is prohibited?

219 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:21:42pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Ah gotcha. I remember feeling embarrassed for the CR and its people that they had Klaus. But these are the same people who gave us Havel so I cut slack.

Havel was one of the great ones, in my opinion. It’s going to be interesting to see how this scandal plays out, as President Zeman is supposed to meet with PM Nečas, the ČSSD opposition, and the head of the Czech Federal Police tomorrow to discuss matters.

The ČSSD is insisting that Nečas resign, the Parliament be dissolved, and new elections held forthwith. That could be interesting, as the ČSSD has said they would form a coalition government with the KSČM, the Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia.

220 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:21:52pm

re: #218 EPR-radar

Because I honestly didn’t know. Thank you.

221 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 1:28:23pm

re: #219 Dr Lizardo

Havel was one of the great ones, in my opinion. It’s going to be interesting to see how this scandal plays out, as President Zeman is supposed to meet with PM Nečas, the ČSSD opposition, and the head of the Czech Federal Police tomorrow to discuss matters.

The ČSSD is insisting that Nečas resign, the Parliament be dissolved, and new elections held forthwith. That could be interesting, as the ČSSD has said they would form a coalition government with the KSČM, the Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia.

Wow that would be really interesting given that the CR is pretty anti-communist for obvious reasons. But yeah Havel’s one of my heroes. And what an interesting dude too. A true Renaissance man. Playwright, activist, poet. I was in Prague during the 40th anniversary of the Prague Spring, as an American of Slovak extraction, I couldn’t help but to be proud to see both the CR and Slovakia as functioning democracies during my visit. The Velvet Divorce is really something that the politicians in Yugoslavia should have learned from but alas that’s another story.

222 Ming  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 2:24:38pm

re: #51 Kragar

We’ll see this again and again: Obama will be blamed for every increase in health-care costs, year after year. I believe that health-care costs were destined to increase anyway, with or without Obamacare. But from now on, the right-wing will blame Obama for every penny that any American ever spends on health care.

223 otoc  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 2:57:22pm

I find it interesting and hard to believe the thumb drive story. I work at a corporation that houses financial information and all computers have been disabled for usb thumbdrives (CD burning also) and even mobile phones by our network security group.

If a corporation entrusted with government secrets doesn’t do the same, I’d say we have a problem.

Same with walking out with laptops, which in my case a personal laptop has no network connectivity. My experience working for a DOD firm was that all items were checked by security and needed a property pass. Multiple passes for the same item (4 laptops with no return) should be a security alert.

My bet is the easiest path was he emailed himself the documents as encrypted files. Most places don’t have active security in place for that.

224 otoc  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 3:01:11pm

re: #222 Ming

Yes they were. Which is one reason a change to healthcare was needed. At issue is the crappy plans that a lot of people had which were cheap and offered miserable coverage. In this private sector market, as ObamaCare is, the rates had to go up immediately to cover what was now offered by minimal standards. Which means those with myopic vision to the whole picture get a chance to blame Obama.

225 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 3:02:07pm

re: #223 otoc

I know, even a thumb drive seems like it would be hard to smuggle out of an NSA facility.

On the other hand, it is in Hawaii. Ain’t no beeg ting, braddah.

/

226 otoc  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 3:04:02pm

re: #225 Charles Johnson

I can put a thumb drive in at work and it isn’t recognized. It’s impossible for me to transfer files onto it. Bad news if he could do it. Bad security.

227 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 3:05:42pm

re: #226 otoc

I can put a thumb drive in at work and it isn’t recognized. It’s impossible for me to transfer files onto it. Bad news if he could do it. Bad security.

The article does say that some techs have special permission to use them. Clearly, this is one who should not have gotten that permission.

228 otoc  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 3:12:31pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

Missed that, thanks. Bet they change that security issue. No need to sneakernet things these days. It breaks the chain of observation.

I’ve got friends in Hawaii, time to check their job listings for network security. Wait, my secret clearance died long ago and apparently the attraction for what I see as a sub-par employee is that they save money on clearance costs. I did read that… ;)


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