NSA Paper: Fewer Than 300 Phone Numbers Examined in Detail

NSA also claims the phone data led to the leader of a plot to attack the New York subway system
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Reuters is reporting that they’ve obtained an unclassified “government paper” saying the US government only accessed detailed information on fewer than 300 phone numbers, out of the millions of pieces of metadata they collected in 2012 — and that this information directly led to the thwarting of terrorist plots.

(Reuters) - The U.S. government only searched for detailed information on calls involving fewer than 300 specific phone numbers among the millions of raw phone records collected by the National Security Agency in 2012, according to a government paper obtained by Reuters on Saturday.

The unclassified paper was circulated Saturday within the government by U.S. intelligence agencies and apparently is an attempt by spy agencies and the Obama administration to rebut accusations that it overreached in investigating potential militant plots.

The paper circulated on Saturday said that data from the NSA phone and email collections programs not only led U.S. investigators to the ringleader of a plot to attack New York’s subway system in 2009, but also to one of his co-conspirators in the United States.

The paper discusses an NSA program that collects “metadata” - raw information that does not identify individual telephone subscribers - from major U.S. phone companies showing all calls made by those companies’ subscribers to phones within the United States and overseas.

It also mentions another NSA program, called Prism in leaked documents, that collects from internet companies what the paper says are emails of foreigners who might be of interest to counterterrorism or counter-proliferation investigators.

Millions of phone records were collected in 2012, but the paper says U.S. authorities only looked in detail at the records linked to fewer than 300 phone numbers.

A person familiar with details of the program said the figure of fewer than 300 numbers applied to the entire mass of raw telephone “metadata” collected last year by the NSA from U.S. carriers - not just to Verizon, which is the only telephone company identified in a document disclosed by Snowden as providing such data to the NSA.

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153 comments
1 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 15, 2013 11:42:13pm

Obviously it must be a lie, because Edward Snowden didn’t approve it!

///

2 Flavia  Sat, Jun 15, 2013 11:59:48pm

I’m betting it’s more, but I’m also betting that they really don’t have time for as much as everyone seems to think they do.

3 piratedan  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:32:29am

Be interesting if this story is actually accurate, maybe it will save a few folks from constantly having to use their fainting couches.

4 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 2:03:22am

Phew…

5 freetoken  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 2:37:39am
6 freetoken  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 2:48:37am

That, btw, was Paul Weston and his orchestra from 1953.

7 freetoken  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 2:52:03am

My musical goulash tonight mixes in a bit of Schnittke, his Requiem from 1975, first part:

MP3 Audio

8 KiTA  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 2:54:57am

So… It turns out that:

1. Snowden was bullshitting Greenwald (4 laptops, unfettered access to data, etc)
2. Greenwald is a huge shitheel hack who saw some yellow journalism he could peddle
3. A whole bunch of various people with agendas (GOP, Racists, Conspiracy nuts, Liberals who were asleep during the Bush years and feel like they have to make up for it, etc) are buying into the stuff, hook, line, and sinker.

Oh, and apparently Snowden is… weird. His background doesn’t really check out. The powerpoint slides are absurdly poorly done. He didn’t mention twitter at all (and yes, twitter would be spied on if this were true). And he claimed the entire NSA spying program cost only $20 million USD.

And… apparently the GOP operative that smeared Gore with the “Invented the Internet” meme is behind some of the inflammatory, obviously false articles (CNET et all)?

This is really seeming more and more like the new GOP strategy — all scandal, all the time. Bonus points if you can smear Obama with a Bush Scandal.

And yeah, it’s pretty bad over at the Kos right now. They’re falling for it pretty bad. Fainting couches for EVERYONE!

9 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 4:07:11am

Perhaps the NSA doesn’t care what kind of topping we order on our pizzas.

10 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 5:13:49am

Anyone who thinks that the whole population of this country is deemed important enough to monitor 24/7 is either dumber than a sack of hammers or delusional. I am not fond of any of this shit, I understand the need for safety and security, but a lot of the screamers are forgetting this stuff is legal.

What really pisses me off about this more than nearly anything is that all the libertarians, right wingers and yes, even some dumbass liberals freaking the hell out about all this JUST NOW, were nowhere to be found back in October of 2001 when the USAPATRIOT Act was signed into law and in a big damned hurry. I wonder how many of the people fainting on the couch with their pearls and mint juleps actually have ever bothered to read that horrendous law and taken a few minutes to think about how many doors it kicked wide open? I also wonder if these people know that the plans for much of this were in the works for a few years before 9/11? Anyone who talked about this then (like me) were scoffed at or told we were traitors. I lost friends over this, and the heightened nationalism and disgusting turn of politics after 9/11. I take that shit kinda personally, some of those relationships will never be healed and it’s not because I’m the one that held the fucking grudge all this time.

IMHO, where the conversation really needs to be directed is at the sheer numbers of contractors doing what was once the work of civil servants and our military and not only how that’s expanded the government “secretly” but how it’s also drained a shit ton of taxpayer dollars away from things that we really need like infrastructure projects and rehab work, education, alternative energy development and manufacturing, innovation and other things that would return prosperity to the middle class. I don’t know if it’s even possible to shut that door now, but it really needs to be looked at a lot closer by the American people.

11 Occam's Guillotine  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 5:33:25am

The role of contractors in the military and intelligence needs a lot of scrutiny. When I joined the Army in 1970, soldiers did things like mow the grass, paint the buildings, run the chow halls, and maintain the vehicles. Today all this is done by contractors and they’ve even done a fair amount of the fighting in recent years. The guards at the gates of military bases are no longer uniformed soldiers, they are private security guards. Accountability and discipline cannot have benefited from this, not to mention the exorbitant cost.

12 efuseakay  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 5:38:42am

BBC also has in their article that the data collected is destroyed every 5 years.

13 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 5:51:01am

RON PAUL!

14 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 5:58:38am

re: #11 Occam’s Guillotine

The role of contractors in the military and intelligence needs a lot of scrutiny. When I joined the Army in 1970, soldiers did things like mow the grass, paint the buildings, run the chow halls, and maintain the vehicles. Today all this is done by contractors and they’ve even done a fair amount of the fighting in recent years. The guards at the gates of military bases are no longer uniformed soldiers, they are private security guards. Accountability and discipline cannot have benefited from this, not to mention the exorbitant cost.

In 1970 we still had the draft and military pay was a good bit lower. Soldiers aren’t highly paid nowadays, but compared to the days of conscription their inflation adjusted pay is a good deal higher and it increased faster than the rate of inflation during the Bush Presidency.

Given those cost increases, plus the need to deploy troops overseas, it has become seen as the better deal to employ contractors for general maintenance. The people painting and taking care of the lawns now cost less than soldiers would, actually.

Also, in recent years there’s been some movement away from mess halls and the reconstruction of parts of some bases have done away with them altogether in favor of kitchens in the barracks (which are also upgraded from what they were) and increased pay for the troops to buy and cook their own food.

Lastly, for certain specialized engineering functions it is a good bit cheaper to employ a contractor like Kellogg, Brown, and Root (KBR) than for the military to keep the specialized machines required in storage until the rare occasion they are needed comes up. The contractor can used them for civilian task when not employed by DoD and thus earn back the equipment’s purchase costs.

15 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:03:25am

re: #13 Varek Raith

RON PAUL!

Finally, you’re here. I’ve been saving this link just for you:

I guess this had to happen sooner or later: Lego’s latest and greatest Star Wars megaset is not an awesome spaceship, a short astromech or a moon-sized metal ball that makes death. No, my dear friends, this $250 1,990-piece set is the Ewok Village.

For that price, you get to build “a tree-trunk hideout, secret Lightsaber stash, spider web, net traps, slide, catapults, an elevating throne, a bridge, rope walkways, vine and leaf elements, kitchen, food storage area, bedroom and a planning room.” Plus! this cool speeder bike.

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The company says that with this set “builders can construct one of the most famous Star Wars scene when Luke and Leia realize they are siblings.” Yes, they are talking about this:

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16 b.d.  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:20:50am

re: #8 KiTA

You better be nice to SnowDenLai, soon he’ll be working at Foxconn making your consumer electronics.

17 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:26:54am

re: #16 b.d.

You better be nice to SnowDenLai, soon he’ll be working at Foxconn making your consumer electronics.

They aren’t that stupid. Snowden’s got a reputation as a flake and a fuck-up, and that’s not someone Foxconn wants assembling iPhones. Their contract with Apple specifies firm standards for quality control, after all.

/Funny, but true.

18 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:29:33am

Mornin’ everyone, except Maureen Dowd. Fuck you, Maureeen…Mornin’ to everyone else.

19 Flounder  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:32:46am

Cheney had a heart transplant, who knew?

20 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:33:43am

re: #18 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone, except Maureen Dowd. Fuck you, Maureen…Mornin’ to everyone else.

The column in question:

Bill Schools Barry on Syria

Calling Barack Obama by a nickname he stopped using 20 years ago is beyond lame. Which makes it par for the course for Maureen Dowd.

21 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:43:46am

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

The column in question:

Bill Schools Barry on Syria

Calling Barack Obama by a nickname he stopped using 20 years ago is beyond lame. Which makes it par for the course for Maureen Dowd.

She’s using it dismissively. She’d might as well call him “boy”. It’s borderline bigotry, really.

Now pro ball players (Barry Zito, Barry Bonds) get called ‘Barry’ all the time because they’re athletes and it’s usually pronounced, “BEH-REE!” But Dowd’s basically saying the boy in the White House is in over his head…about everything.

22 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:44:33am

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

And last week her column was “Peeping Barry”

23 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:45:48am
24 piratedan  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:47:45am

re: #22 darthstar

well that’s just Mean Gurl Mo doing her schtick….. gotta have at least one femme voice to show both sexes can be just as obtuse about politics as BoBo Brooks is.

25 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:50:03am

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

The column in question:

Bill Schools Barry on Syria

Calling Barack Obama by a nickname he stopped using 20 years ago is beyond lame. Which makes it par for the course for Maureen Dowd.

It’s also the same nickname that Birthers use.

26 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:50:58am

re: #21 darthstar

She’s using it dismissively. She’d might as well call him “boy”. It’s borderline bigotry, really.

Now pro ball players (Barry Zito, Barry Bonds) get called ‘Barry’ all the time because they’re athletes and it’s usually pronounced, “BEH-REE!” But Dowd’s basically saying the boy in the White House is in over his head…about everything.

I don’t think she means it like ‘boy’, since she isn’t a conscious racist. But she is trying to be dismissive, snarky, and hostile and she really shouldn’t be any of those three to Barack Obama.

The irony here is that had Mitt Romney been elected and this scandal broken out afterwards, Dowd would not be dismissive. She’d still be hostile, but she’d see Romney as an ‘evil, all-knowing corporate chieftain’, rather than being in over his head. But that might point to a species of unconscious racism, might it not?

27 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 6:59:41am
28 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:02:03am

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think she means it like ‘boy’, since she isn’t a conscious racist.

So she’s just not aware of her tone? She prides herself on subtle put downs. This one isn’t subtle.

29 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:03:51am
30 AntonSirius  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:05:17am

re: #3 piratedan

Be interesting if this story is actually accurate, maybe it will save a few folks from constantly having to use their fainting couches.

Look, they paid full retail for those fainting couches, so you can damn well be sure they’re going to get plenty of use.

31 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:07:57am

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Finally, you’re here. I’ve been saving this link just for you:

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Image: ku-xlarge.jpg

Awesome.
*PEWPEWPEW*

32 AntonSirius  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:17:20am

re: #19 Flounder

Cheney had a heart transplant, who knew?

The evilithium fuel cell that powers it burns out every so often and needs replacing.

33 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:20:39am

re: #31 Varek Raith

Awesome.
*PEWPEWPEW*

Indeed. [evil]Come September, you could buy that and then set the Ewoks against an Imperial assault force headed by an AT-AT walker. A proper Ewok massacre, just the thing for a fun weekend afternoon.[/evil]

34 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:21:15am

re: #32 AntonSirius

The evilithium fuel cell that powers it burns out every so often and needs replacing.

That’s because he’s not evil.
In us truly evil overlords they last forever.
;)

35 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:50:03am

Morning. Happy Father’s Day to male lizards with offspring.

36 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:50:11am

This is so evil:

37 piratedan  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:51:57am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

all that’s missing is the “Shoot a Liberal for Freedom!” tag.

38 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:55:01am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

re: #37 piratedan

That isn’t evil and its not threatening to any person. Frankly, you two are reading into that tweet things that are not there.

39 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:56:12am

IT’S A GUN AD FFS

40 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 7:57:15am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

I’m sorry, but having grown up on a farm doing that kind of shooting, I fail to find what is evil in that advertisement. Ham handed, like most advertising, sure, but evil?

41 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:07:50am

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

IT’S A GUN AD FFS

So what? Rifles aren’t cigarettes; It is possible to use them safely and responsibly. There is no law nor legal settlement barring Remington Arms from running that ad, nor should there be such. If an ad was run that encouraged irresponsible or illegal behavior with a gun then I’d favor banning that particular ad, but this ad does neither.

42 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:13:46am

Now this next ad, THIS is a troublesome ad featuring a gun:

Youtube Video

And yes, that is a privately made and armed drone helicopter in the vid.

43 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:17:24am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

So what? Rifles aren’t cigarettes; It is possible to use them safely and responsibly. There is no law nor legal settlement barring Remington Arms from running that ad, nor should there be such. If an ad was run that encouraged irresponsible or illegal behavior with a gun then I’d favor banning that particular ad, but this ad does neither.

My problem with ads like this is that they never define/demonstrate anything about safety. No talk about locking up weapons when not in use, etc.

Also, gun manufacturers, via the NRA, went to make it easier to purchase weapons. They are against any regulations.

The ad makes me cringe because it is a weapon, and some will misuse it and some of this misuse could be prevented, but the very people that pay for these ads oppose any regulation.

44 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:23:27am

Morning Lizardim from the beautiful wild north country. A bit warm outside for my tastes, but I’m sure I’ll survive it. Having fun smacking down libertarian concern trolls with last night’s excellent article on the overblown tempest-in-a-teapot generated by a discredited CNET author. It’s one of the first major scandals where I actually feel educated enough on the issue to be able to take people on and win; it’s a good feeling. How go things among the lizardfolk on this beautiful Father’s Day?

45 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:25:04am

re: #43 Iwouldprefernotto

My problem with ads like this is that they never define/demonstrate anything about safety. No talk about locking up weapons when not in use, etc.

Also, gun manufacturers, via the NRA, went to make it easier to purchase weapons. They are against any regulations.

The ad makes me cringe because it is a weapon, and some will misuse it and some of this misuse could be prevented, but the very people that pay for these ads oppose any regulation.

The ad shows the father and son both wearing shooting glasses and using hearing protection and the rifle is on a mount being handled safely. Further, I’ve seen what Remington puts in the boxes of its products there days and they include safe handling procedures with every gun they sell.

The NRA also runs the Eddie Eagle program to teach children not to handle guns without an adult present. And neither the NRA nor Remington would approve of the deliberate misuse of said rifle in the commission of a crime, and the NRA has indeed supported strict penalties for those who use firearms to commit crimes.

Thus I do not find your argument correct.

46 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:25:13am

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

IT’S A GUN AD FFS

I’ll give this one a pass…Yes, they’re doing target practice, but they’re wearing safety goggles, have the rifle set up with a stable stand so one assumes it’s pointing in a safe direction (unless you’re right of the camera man), and they’ve got ear protection.

WTF? EAR PROTECTION FOR A .22 Long Rifle? THOSE THINGS BARELY MAKE A POP!

47 piratedan  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:25:26am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

So what? Rifles aren’t cigarettes; It is possible to use them safely and responsibly. There is no law nor legal settlement barring Remington Arms from running that ad, nor should there be such. If an ad was run that encouraged irresponsible or illegal behavior with a gun then I’d favor banning that particular ad, but this ad does neither.

perhaps I’m just jaded by the weekly massacres and as such find any Gun ad at this time loathesome. No one is saying that there aren’t responsible and intelligent gun owners, too bad you folks aren’t driving the narrative. Maybe I find it offputting that we have grandpa here showing young Timmeh how to be a sniper at age 8 and yes, I know that’s a total misrepresentation but dammit I’m tired of reading about the daily tragedies of people that don’t handle guns properly and lives that are cut short because of it. I’m not in favor of Obama “getting your guns”, but for fuck sake wake up and understand that people are fucking tired of a certain element in our society who defend every criticism lobbied at the those that manufacture guns or seek to regulate them for the general safety of all.

here’s my previously missing snark tag //

48 andres  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:31:10am

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think she means it like ‘boy’, since she isn’t a conscious racist. But she is trying to be dismissive, snarky, and hostile and she really shouldn’t be any of those three to Barack Obama.

The irony here is that had Mitt Romney been elected and this scandal broken out afterwards, Dowd would not be dismissive. She’d still be hostile, but she’d see Romney as an ‘evil, all-knowing corporate chieftain’, rather than being in over his head. But that might point to a species of unconscious racism, might it not?

Yes, just as she saw Reagan as an evil all-knowing chieftain.

Oops, sorry, she described Reagan as a great man (bordering on sainthood) that was failed by those he trusted.

49 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:35:06am

re: #47 piratedan

My dad taught me to be a sniper at that age. Though we always said, “deer” not “insurgent” when giving the target a living title. It’s about hunting. Granted, the internet isn’t a place to discuss hunting…had it been around when I was young, facebook would have been a non-stop parade of animal flesh. Hunting is a family tradition, and should be treated as such.

My brother’s doing that with his sons now…and yes, they’re good shots. No, they’re not going to the military, and no, they don’t take their guns out of the house unless they’re going to hunt. Me? I don’t hunt anymore, but I’ll eat the duck, pheasant, deer, moose and wild boar when I visit them.

50 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:36:24am

re: #46 darthstar

I’ll give this one a pass…Yes, they’re doing target practice, but they’re wearing safety goggles, have the rifle set up with a stable stand so one assumes it’s pointing in a safe direction (unless you’re right of the camera man), and they’ve got ear protection.

WTF? EAR PROTECTION FOR A .22 Long Rifle? THOSE THINGS BARELY MAKE A POP!

Good habit to be in; other calibers are not so gentle on the ear drums. My left ear has significant loss in the high frequencies courtesy of Uncle Sam.

51 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:37:00am

re: #48 andres

Yes, just as she saw Reagan as an evil all-knowing chieftain.

Oops, sorry, she described Reagan as a great man (bordering on sainthood) that was failed by those he trusted.

After Obama’s out of office, she’ll remember him fondly as a wonderful president and an honor to this country. They all will, because remembering Obama positively will be smart politically.

52 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:37:37am

re: #50 William Barnett-Lewis

Good habit to be in; other calibers are not so gentle on the ear drums. My left ear has significant loss in the high frequencies courtesy of Uncle Sam.

True that.

53 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:38:04am

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

The ad shows the father and son both wearing shooting glasses and using hearing protection and the rifle is on a mount being handled safely. Further, I’ve seen what Remington puts in the boxes of its products there days and they include safe handling procedures with every gun they sell.

The NRA also runs the Eddie Eagle program to teach children not to handle guns without an adult present. And neither the NRA nor Remington would approve of the deliberate misuse of said rifle in the commission of a crime, and the NRA has indeed supported strict penalties for those who use firearms to commit crimes.

Thus I do not find your argument correct.

My argument is not just about the ad. My argument is that gun manufactures and their proxies are against background checks, etc.

You can’t separate the ad from the real world. If you could, than we would all believe that oil companies love the environment.

54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:38:21am

Another country heard from about Snowden’s allegations:

Swiss president would back criminal probe against NSA leaker

55 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:38:54am

Sorry, Ron…doesn’t look like Rand will be calling you today.

56 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:40:21am
57 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:44:25am

re: #56 darthstar

Doesn’t that sorry excuse of a Senator know how to read? It is the metadata not the actual telephone call you @%&*(.

58 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:46:02am
59 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:47:36am

re: #57 PhillyPretzel

Doesn’t that sorry excuse of a Senator know how to read? It is the metadata not the actual telephone call you @%&*(.

Hell, for all I care the NSA can know that I’m calling my father today. I’m a good son and a loyal person, so they don’t have to listen in on my phone calls.

60 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:49:14am

re: #23 darthstar

That was hilarious. I’d seen the Daily Show’s take on her but Colbert did it better.

61 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:49:34am

re: #59 thedopefishlives

Hell, for all I care the NSA can know that I’m calling my father today. I’m a good son and a loyal person, so they don’t have to listen in on my phone calls.

It’s the good and loyal people that Obama wants to dump into FEMA Camps!!1 He only wants those who are dependent on the government to remain at large!!!11

/I wish I was kidding.

62 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:51:48am

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

/I wish I was kidding.

If my dad even so much as hints that “the NSA is listening in on our phone call”, I’m hanging up without an explanation.///

63 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:52:32am

re: #56 darthstar

Retweeted you and then recommended your #55 to Charles. I think he’ll have some good sport with Luap Dnar’s DERP. Well done, Darth!

64 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:53:20am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

Next up, gun adverts based on “Leon the Professional”

Image: leon-professional-original-golden-book-screenshot.jpg

65 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:54:23am

re: #62 thedopefishlives

If my dad even so much as hints that “the NSA is listening in on our phone call”, I’m hanging up without an explanation.///

Don’t hang up, just remind him how many phone calls there are on Father’s Day. The NSA couldn’t listen in on even 1% of them all.

66 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:54:32am

re: #64 stabby

Next up, gun adverts based on “Leon the Professional”

Image: leon-professional-original-golden-book-screenshot.jpg

That’s a sweet movie, actually. I like Jean Reno in these roles.

67 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:55:31am
68 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:56:37am

re: #66 darthstar

That’s a sweet movie, actually. I like Jean Reno in these roles.

Reno also had outstanding help from Natalie Portman in her film debut and the very capable Gary Oldman as the villain. It was a very well cast and well written movie.

69 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:56:43am

re: #66 darthstar

yeah it was pretty good.

70 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:58:33am

Very sweet for a gun advert:

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71 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 8:59:01am

re: #64 stabby

Next up, gun adverts based on “Leon the Professional”

Image: leon-professional-original-golden-book-screenshot.jpg

You do the Broad Jump to Conclusion so well. You’re right up there with Glenn Greenwald on that one.

72 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:00:08am

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Oh shh, I’m having fun.

73 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:01:43am
74 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:02:12am

Okay, time to go run the dogs, but I’ll leave you with a tweet:

75 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:02:35am

re: #72 stabby

A photo named by someone who doesn’t know jack shit about guns. That’s a bolt-action rifle, not a damn machine gun.

76 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:05:17am

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

So much for tolerance of other lifestyles. Like the rural lifestyle that includes sustenance hunting.

77 Stanghazi  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:06:50am

Talked to my Dad. They’re having thanksgiving dinner for fathers day. The whole deal. Waah I miss him!

78 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:06:57am

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

A photo named by someone who doesn’t know jack shit about guns. That’s a bolt-action rifle, not a damn machine gun.

Looks like a nice rig - most likely long rang varmint hunting from the scope though I suppose it could be a bean field rifle.

79 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:08:42am
80 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:09:12am

re: #77 Stanghazi

Talked to my Dad. They’re having thanksgiving dinner for fathers day. The whole deal. Waah I miss him!

I miss my Dad as well. Just talked to him as well. He’ll be going out to lunch with my sister after step-mom get’s home from church. Kinda nice that he’s still doing well at 77.

81 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:10:33am

re: #76 Political Atheist

So much for tolerance of other lifestyles. Like the rural lifestyle that includes sustenance hunting.

Some on the left think that a mocking hostility to all civilian ownership and use of firearms is OK to express publicly. In fact, its really stupid of them and it drives otherwise moderate gun owners right into the NRA’s arms.

82 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:10:41am
83 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:12:40am

I lied. It’s the heart decals that make this: Image: HelloKitty_openrug_5134b-1024.jpg

84 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:13:08am

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

IT’S A GUN AD FFS

Yes it is. And I have sat right there like the man in the ad teaching a sport to the young and adults. Some of us enjoy shooting sports or hunting. Those that don’t really need not dismiss us as evil.

85 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:13:29am

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Some on the left think that a mocking hostility to all civilian ownership and use of firearms is OK to express publicly. In fact, its really stupid of them and it drives otherwise moderate gun owners right into the NRA’s arms.

Then there’s the Liberal Gun Club where we argue about who’s socialist enough as well as whether or not Glocks are ugly ;)

86 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:14:33am

“Consider your Man Card reissued!”
Image: pink_digital_ar15_springfield_1911.jpg

87 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:18:38am

re: #86 stabby

“Consider your Man Card reissued!”
Image: pink_digital_ar15_springfield_1911.jpg

OK, now you get an upding. That was a truly excellent sendup.

88 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:21:19am

Oh, this promises to be good:

89 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:24:37am
90 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:25:56am

This is a really interesting analysis of how people think about economic/political matters, splitting people up into ‘conservatives’, ‘liberals’, and ‘progressives’.

I never fully agree with categorizations like that, but it’s still really interesting.

econtalk.org

91 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:26:05am

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

OK, now you get an upding. That was a truly excellent sendup.

Love the pink PT-22 ;)

92 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:26:07am

Happy Fathers day to all the loving dads who take the kids out to the sports they enjoy themselves. The dads that teach the kids how to have great fun and come home safe. Ballgames, athletics, music, outdoor sports like camping, fishing or shooting, motor sports from local drags to F1.

My folks taught me to fish, drive a boat, begin to fly a small plane, shoot safely, run cross country all by high school…. The biggest lesson I learned there was twofold. My parents loved me enough to include me in all of it and teach me the safety and responsibilities that went with these activities.

Thanks Dad, I’ll call you right after breakfast.

93 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:26:33am

re: #84 Political Atheist

Yes it is. And I have sat right there like the man in the ad teaching a sport to the young and adults. Some of us enjoy shooting sports or hunting. Those that don’t really need not dismiss us as evil.

She wasn’t. She was talking about the company.

94 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:27:45am

re: #92 Political Atheist

Happy fathers day to the loving dad who tells his overly nervous kid who lives in a safe neighborhood “Nah, you really don’t need a gun. Odds are that it’d be more dangerous to you than helpful. Why don’t we just keep going to the range together, and hunting together?”

96 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:31:35am

It’s kind of funny. When I see ads for stuff that I like— scotch, the Kindle, panda restraints, 50 gallon drums of lube— I don’t identify with them. I don’t look at a picture of someone holding a Kindle and think “Yeah, that’s like me.” It’s an ad, so I see it as trying to exploit my feelings on the subject to buy their shit, to identify so I’ll have goodwill towards them.

That’s an ad from a Remington Arms. It’s not a shot that a dad and his son took happily together. It’s a calculated image designed to make gun owners react positively to it.

97 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:32:25am

Darn it last pic didn’t work.. give me a min

98 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:34:14am
99 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:35:34am

re: #96 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

That’s an ad from a Remington Arms. It’s not a shot that a dad and his son took happily together. It’s a calculated image designed to make gun owners react positively to it.

I have no problem with a company advertising it’s legal product being used in a safe way. An ad that also promotes safe use of the product. I applaud that kind of ad. Those that don’t like the idea can simply move on, turn the page and go enjoy whatever they enjoy.

100 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:36:03am

re: #93 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

She wasn’t. She was talking about the company.

I don’t think Remington is evil. Certainly not for running that ad.

101 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:36:47am

Ladies and Gentlemen, somebody with way too much time on their hands has calculated The Doctor’s Age.

Around 2055, or the age of this.

Based on the 1st and 8th Doctor, I think the average lifespan of a Time Lord is 5,850-10,400 years. The Doctor runs through his regenerations quickly.

102 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:43:01am

re: #99 Political Atheist

I have no problem with a company advertising it’s legal product being used in a safe way.

I don’t have a ‘problem’ with it either, except to the extent that I have a ‘problem’ with Kindle ads— and the perspective the picture was taken from.

An ad that also promotes safe use of the product.

It doesn’t, though. It just says “Use it responsibly” but that doesn’t actually promote safe usage. Especially not when showing a picture that looks like it was taken by someone standing in front of the rifle.

I applaud that kind of ad. Those that don’t like the idea can simply move on, turn the page and go enjoy whatever they enjoy.

But why do you applaud that ad? Do you think that ad will actually encourage safe gun usage?

103 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:43:51am

re: #102 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t have a ‘problem’ with it either, except to the extent that I have a ‘problem’ with Kindle ads— and the perspective the picture was taken from.

It doesn’t, though. It just says “Use it responsibly” but that doesn’t actually promote safe usage. Especially not when showing a picture that looks like it was taken by someone standing in front of the rifle.

But why do you applaud that ad? Do you think that ad will actually encourage safe gun usage?

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

The ad shows the father and son both wearing shooting glasses and using hearing protection and the rifle is on a mount being handled safely. Further, I’ve seen what Remington puts in the boxes of its products there days and they include safe handling procedures with every gun they sell.

The NRA also runs the Eddie Eagle program to teach children not to handle guns without an adult present. And neither the NRA nor Remington would approve of the deliberate misuse of said rifle in the commission of a crime, and the NRA has indeed supported strict penalties for those who use firearms to commit crimes.

Thus I do not find your argument correct.

104 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:44:23am

If I type “p” google images first suggested completion is “periodic table” second is “ps4” third is “puppies”

“periodic table” is a thing?

105 122 Year Old Obama  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:46:04am

re: #104 stabby

If I type “p” google images first suggested completion is “periodic table” second is “ps4” third is “puppies”

“periodic table” is a thing?

Periodic Table of Elements.

106 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:47:20am

I know what it is, I’m just surprised that more people are searching for it than for the ps4 or puppies!

107 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:48:22am

Now these are crime guns, taken from the house James ‘Whitey’ Bugler was staying in when he was caught at last:

Image: Whitey2-300x164.jpg

The bottom three guns are MP-40s, WWII-era German submachineguns.

The full lot:

Image: Whitey.jpg

108 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:48:56am

re: #104 stabby

“periodic table” is a thing?

Is that like a flow chart?

Youtube Video

Thank you! Thank you! I’m here all weak. Please tip your server.

109 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:49:20am

re: #46 darthstar

I’ll give this one a pass…Yes, they’re doing target practice, but they’re wearing safety goggles, have the rifle set up with a stable stand so one assumes it’s pointing in a safe direction (unless you’re right of the camera man), and they’ve got ear protection.

WTF? EAR PROTECTION FOR A .22 Long Rifle? THOSE THINGS BARELY MAKE A POP!

140+ dB.

110 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:50:30am

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

The ad shows the father and son both wearing shooting glasses and using hearing protection and the rifle is on a mount being handled safely.

Which gets undercut by the perspective the picture is taken at. But anyway, you’re missing my point: I don’t think showing that stuff actually encourages safe gun usage. I don’t think the Eddie Eagle program works, either— I don’t really think that’s their fault, they’re using using old pedagogy.

The NRA also runs the Eddie Eagle program to teach children not to handle guns without an adult present. And neither the NRA nor Remington would approve of the deliberate misuse of said rifle in the commission of a crime, and the NRA has indeed supported strict penalties for those who use firearms to commit crimes.

Why are we talking about the NRA?

111 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:51:08am

I’m glad people are more conscious of their hearing. Tinnitus fucking sucks.

112 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:52:01am

re: #102 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t have a ‘problem’ with it either, except to the extent that I have a ‘problem’ with Kindle ads— and the perspective the picture was taken from.

It doesn’t, though. It just says “Use it responsibly” but that doesn’t actually promote safe usage. Especially not when showing a picture that looks like it was taken by someone standing in front of the rifle.

But why do you applaud that ad? Do you think that ad will actually encourage safe gun usage?

The ad is clearly designed to show, therefore promote rifle shooting as a family sport that calls for safety gear. It shows the gear. And says be responsible.

It’s really easy to arrange that photo safely. Like with a bluetooth or cable remote shutter release. From the front we can see the gear and the faces of the participants. If I were a hired photog for a gun or range ad it might look a lot like that ad.

113 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:52:11am

re: #108 Amory Blaine

computer jokes:

FLOATING CONTROL: A characteristic exhibited when you have to go to the restroom, but can’t leave the computer.

FLOATING POINT: The absolute limit before floating control is lost.

FLOW CHART: A graphic representation of the fastest route to the restroom.

114 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:52:58am

Anyway, my point is not that the ad is ‘good’ or ‘bad’. The ad is a marketing attempt from a company to get more people to buy their product. As such, it is using an image and sentiment they think will do this, and playing on the emotions of gun-owners who are into safe gun usage.

Likewise, an ad showing gay marriage in relation to a product doesn’t mean that company gives an actual shit about gay people or gay marriage, just that they think they can market successful using that. The actual actions of the company are far more important.

115 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:53:55am
OUTPUT: See: FLOATING CONROL.

OVERFLOW: Condition resulting from exceeding FLOATING POINT.

116 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:55:23am


Derp.

117 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:55:49am

re: #110 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Which gets undercut by the perspective the picture is taken at. But anyway, you’re missing my point: I don’t think showing that stuff actually encourages safe gun usage. I don’t think the Eddie Eagle program works, either— I don’t really think that’s their fault, they’re using using old pedagogy.

Why are we talking about the NRA?

The NRA? Or a national safety campaign? I read that as a reference to the safety campaign that just happens to be run by the NRA. National gun safety campaigns that carry this message are a great idea.

“If you see a gun-
STOP
DON’T TOUCH
GET AN ADULT.”

Yes all caps for the intended emphasis. I have lots of issues with NRA and ILA. I have only support for that safety campaign.

118 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:56:18am

re: #112 Political Atheist

The ad is clearly designed to show, therefore promote rifle shooting as a family sport that calls for safety gear. It shows the gear. And says be responsible.

The ad is designed to get people to buy Remington products. They are doing so by marketing to a certain segment of gun owners. I do not think that showing the gear and saying ‘be responsible’ works, because in general, such simple pedagogy doesn’t actually work.

I’m not expert on gun stuff, but I did quite a bit of work on safety in another industry and area, and in that case, simple instruction on safety and depiction of it was never found to have more than a tiny result even with adults— it can actually backfire. Safety is hard, and familiarity is the enemy of safety.

It’s really easy to arrange that photo safely. Like with a bluetooth or cable remote shutter release. From the front we can see the gear and the faces of the participants. If I were a hired photog for a gun or range ad it might look a lot like that ad.

Of course it’s easy to arrange that photo safely. The bullets are almost certainly blanks too. But if you’re saying that the depiction is what matters, then a moment’s thought as to the implication of where the gaze is would be nice.

119 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:56:28am

re: #114 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Right. Like how say for example a Target ad (or any store) TV ad is full of smiling people happily pushing their carts. Confident nods from a wise mother who just discovered that “secret” deal, the bumbling dad who is dumber than the kids.

120 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:56:54am

re: #117 Political Atheist

Yeah, I’m saying that, pedagogically, that kind of teaching doesn’t work. It actually tends to arouse curiosity, more than it does prevent kids from doing something.

121 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:58:54am

re: #116 Gus

I hope his political opponents take him to task for lying about this, but they won’t.

122 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 9:59:57am

re: #121 stabby

I hope his political opponents take him to task for lying about this, but they won’t.

Nope, the won’t. Nadler put out some tepid response to this:

Democratic New York Rep. Jerrold Nadler claims he was told in a closed-door briefing that the NSA could listen to a specific phone call, and get a call’s “contents” without a warrant, based solely on an analyst’s decision. FBI Director Robert Mueller said that wasn’t true. Nadler said he asked the same question at the closed-door briefing where he received the different answer. Update Rep. Nadler in a statement to BuzzFeed says: “I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans’ phone calls without a specific warrant.”

123 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:00:06am

Buzzfeed. Heh.

124 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:00:42am
125 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:01:30am

re: #110 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why are we talking about the NRA?

The NRA was in the qoute because the post was a reply to the following:

re: #43 Iwouldprefernotto

My problem with ads like this is that they never define/demonstrate anything about safety. No talk about locking up weapons when not in use, etc.

Also, gun manufacturers, via the NRA, went to make it easier to purchase weapons. They are against any regulations.

The ad makes me cringe because it is a weapon, and some will misuse it and some of this misuse could be prevented, but the very people that pay for these ads oppose any regulation.

BBL

126 Stanghazi  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:02:50am

re: #116 Gus

Derp.

That sketchy article by the Al Gore invented the internet “journalist” has, in the time I was asleep, traveled all the way up to an idiot senator. Derp indeed.

I’m going out to help the economy. See ya later.

127 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:03:10am

Just got a laptop with windows 8 on it and I gotta say I miss windows 7.

Luddite!!!

128 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:06:04am

re: #127 Amory Blaine

Windows 8 has more problems with drivers and a too-automated recovery system that fails…

I talked to a lawyer who said that all lawyers he knows have gone back to windows 7 because they need their computers to be reliable.

129 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:08:52am

Update Rep. Nadler in a statement to BuzzFeed says: “I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans’ phone calls without a specific warrant.”

130 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:11:33am

re: #118 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I do not think that showing the gear and saying ‘be responsible’ works, because in general, such simple pedagogy doesn’t actually work.

I’m not expert on gun stuff, but I did quite a bit of work on safety in another industry and area, and in that case, simple instruction on safety and depiction of it was never found to have more than a tiny result even with adults— it can actually backfire. Safety is hard, and familiarity is the enemy of safety.

Really? We see so many safety lessons that are much like that. Pool safety, car safety…. Simple depictions of gates around pools and safety belt use by the kids big enough to be out of the baby seat. Fire safety is another example. Smoky The Bear. Look Both Ways for crossing the street.

Perhaps the deal is these simple depictions are just an introductory part of the safety lessons. Still imagery does have it’s limits.

131 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:17:32am
132 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:21:24am
133 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:23:28am

re: #130 Political Atheist

Really? We see so many safety lessons that are much like that. Pool safety, car safety…. Simple depictions of gates around pools and safety belt use by the kids big enough to be out of the baby seat. Fire safety is another example. Smoky The Bear. Look Both Ways for crossing the street.

Yeah, and the sad thing is, actual scientific study shows they mostly don’t work. Like I said, I’m not saying this is their fault.

Perhaps the deal is these simple depictions are just an introductory part of the safety lessons. Still imagery does have it’s limits.

The biggest problem, when directed at children, is that they increase curiosity, and when directed at adults, they increase familiarity. For example, at a nuclear waste handling facility, they found that having the radiation symbol displayed often in training texts made people more likely to ignore it or take it casually in the actual work environment.


Our brains are kind of weird.

134 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:27:18am

re: #133 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

What is the scientific proven method(s) to use instead? Or in addition to? Show me what I can add to the safety lesson matrix. I’d be happy to implement it at the range I help oversee.

135 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:29:23am
136 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:30:16am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

This is so evil:

2 of my 3 boys and my DIL are going to a car show.

You know cars kill more people then guns.
//

137 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:32:36am

re: #106 stabby

I know what it is, I’m just surprised that more people are searching for it than for the ps4 or puppies!

Maybe I’m just weird, I search for the periodic table several times a year. I finally saved a good one to HD, but I can never find it so I search again. I’ve never searched for pictures of puppies or the PS4.

138 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:33:42am
139 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:34:16am
140 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:36:21am

re: #127 Amory Blaine

Just got a laptop with windows 8 on it and I gotta say I miss windows 7.

Luddite!!!

I bought my laptop with windows 7 last month. I specifically chose it over the version with windows 8.

141 AntonSirius  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:38:14am

re: #56 darthstar

142 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:40:14am

re: #141 AntonSirius

Boom!

143 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:41:41am

re: #141 AntonSirius

Remember Herman Cain saying that he would (read or) sign any long bills?

Running the United States couldn’t be any more complicated than running a restaurant chain after all.

144 kwb2003  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:44:10am

Jim Hoft is reporting that AT&T is putting push notifications into iPhones from Obama and they can’t be turned off. Any bets on what level of truth is in this “revelation”?

145 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:45:26am

re: #144 kwb2003

Jim Hoft is reporting that AT&T is putting push notifications into iPhones from Obama and they can’t be turned off. Any bets on what level of truth is in this “revelation”?

You lost me at Jim Hoft.

146 AntonSirius  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:47:43am

re: #106 stabby

I know what it is, I’m just surprised that more people are searching for it than for the ps4 or puppies!

There are all kinds of other periodic tables floating around too, for instance the Periodic Table of Bowie.

147 kwb2003  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:49:08am

re: #145 darthstar

I was personally going to give him 1% truth since they spelled “Obama” correctly. Everything else seems straight out of Fantasyland.

148 darthstar  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:51:49am

re: #147 kwb2003

I was personally going to give him 1% truth since they spelled “Obama” correctly. Everything else seems straight out of Fantasyland.

Any time one of those assholes spells the President’s name correctly it’s a typo.

149 Stanghazi  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:52:55am

re: #129 darthstar

Update Rep. Nadler in a statement to BuzzFeed says: “I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans’ phone calls without a specific warrant.”

He was sleeping last night. Unfortunately he couldn’t walk back the bullshit as soon as it was happening.

150 AntonSirius  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:53:55am

re: #143 stabby

Remember Herman Cain

I try not to

151 HSG  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:18:03am

So this means someone has a one-in-a-million chance of the NSA having a look at you. That ranks somewhere above the chance of winning a Powerball lottery and below the chance of dying in a commercial airline crash.

152 Lidane  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:36:56am
153 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 1:44:10pm

re: #134 Political Atheist

What is the scientific proven method(s) to use instead? Or in addition to? Show me what I can add to the safety lesson matrix. I’d be happy to implement it at the range I help oversee.

It’s complex. It’s basically stuff you probably already do: repetition of action. Telling people to do something: very little effect. Leading them through doing it— like having them triple-check that a gun is unloaded, having them unconsciously repeat those motions, that can’t be beat. That and actual checklists that people repeat.


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