Remember When Rep. Nadler Supposedly Said the NSA Could Listen to Phone Calls Without a Warrant? Not.

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A followup to our post from yesterday about CNET’s ridiculous over-heated claim that Rep. Jerrold Nadler said the NSA “admitted” that “the Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop on phone calls” …

Uh, no. He didn’t.

Update Rep. Nadler in a statement to BuzzFeed says: “I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans’ phone calls without a specific warrant.”

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1 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:54:54am

LALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!
-Moonbats/wingnuts

2 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:55:28am

re: #1 Varek Raith

LALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!
-Moonbats/wingnuts

If only the original source for these claims would come out and deny it. Then we could put this whole thing to rest.

…Oh wait.

3 AntonSirius  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:56:44am

NSA blackmail derp derp dey got to him!!! derpity derp

I can’t be bothered coming up with a whole sentence. Sorry.

4 Stanghazi  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:56:45am

Such crap journalism, picked up and spread as truth. We watched it live last night.

Reminds me of the Zeta’s taking over Arizona a few years back. But then a freaking sitting Senator didn’t pick up on it, that I recall, I could be wrong.

G A H

5 b.d.  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:57:11am

OMG, they’ve gotten to Nadler!

6 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:57:46am

re: #3 AntonSirius

NSA blackmail derp derp dey got to him!!! derpity derp

I can’t be bothered coming up with a whole sentence. Sorry.

That’s okay, neither can the wingnuts.

7 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 10:59:38am

re: #1 Varek Raith

LALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!
-Moonbats/wingnuts

And… people still believe that Al Gore said he invented the internet.

8 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:00:16am

re: #7 Gus

And… people still believe that Al Gore said he invented the internet.

AND THE SPACE SHUTTLE!

9 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:02:03am

re: #7 Gus

And… people still believe that Al Gore said he invented the internet.

I found that little tidbit utterly ironic. Also a bit telling in that I wonder if this whole thing will become a similar meme.

10 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:02:49am

re: #9 thedopefishlives

I found that little tidbit utterly ironic. Also a bit telling in that I wonder if this whole thing will become a similar meme.

I’m sure it will become “fact” for years to come.

11 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:03:02am

Suddenly the Greenwald fans think Nadler is lying.

12 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:03:13am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Suddenly the Greenwald fans think Nadler is lying.

Color me surprised.

13 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:03:27am

FAKE BUT ACCURATE!

14 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:03:36am

Looks like @thebradblog stepped in a derp pie.

15 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:03:53am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Suddenly the Greenwald fans think Nadler is lying.

Lol.
You should remind them that they sound like TPers and wingnuts.

16 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:05:35am

It’s a pretty killer deal that when I hear claims in the media, Facebook, or any other source, I can come and fact check that stuff here.

17 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:06:08am
18 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:06:19am

re: #16 BigPapa

It’s a pretty killer deal that when I heard claims in the media, Facebook, or any other source, I can come and fact check that stuff here.

When I first started reading this story on other websites, the first thing I did was come here to get the real facts. Charles, you are now officially more credible than the mainstream media. Congratulations.

19 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:06:29am

shared this downstairs, but it might have gotten lost in the gun discussion.

Swiss president would back criminal probe against NSA leaker

20 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:06:39am
21 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:06:55am

My first thought was that he was so embarrassed that he denies yesterday’s derp. It didn’t occur to me that the original article could have been entirely made up.

I didn’t read the original. I don’t intend to.

I wonder if this coffee is enough to wake me up.

22 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:07:15am

re: #17 Gus

I uh…ok.

23 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:08:25am

HULK SMASH NSA!

24 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:13:24am

Now I’m “moving the goalpost.”

25 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:14:30am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Now I’m “moving the goalpost.”

Don’t bother. Any minute now he’ll be constructing a giant puppet of you. If you know what I mean.

26 HSG  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:14:35am

Unfortunately, the great assemblage of mouth breathers is now believing that CNET waste of bandwidth as the gospel truth.

27 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:14:46am

He’s about as dense as a Paulbot, n’est ce pas?

28 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:14:51am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Now I’m “moving the goalpost.”

Moving the goal posts on Father’s Day is a violation of the Geneva Accords.

29 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:15:22am
30 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:19:21am

Some people get so attached to what they want to be true that it obstructs their ability to discern reality.

31 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:20:32am

Now I’m “fundamentally dishonest.”

32 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:21:14am

Meanwhile this whole shitstorm is obscuring real and true constitutional problems the Patriot act creates.

Engineer Cat posted a good summary here the other day:

littlegreenfootballs.com

33 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:23:00am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

“about what Nadler said, not if it was true”

Wow, talk about arguing semantics.

34 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:26:06am

re: #32 Randall Gross

Meanwhile this whole shitstorm is obscuring real and true constitutional problems the Patriot act creates.

Engineer Cat posted a good summary here the other day:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Funny how that just keeps happening. Every time we have a substantial issue to address, the media muddies the waters and makes real change unlikely. Ratings over facts. So frustrating.

35 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:29:53am
36 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:31:34am

re: #35 Charles Johnson

I have to say. Twitter as a means of a medium for debate on this issue sucks. Goddamn this story has brought the paranoia intersection between moonbat and wingnut out to form an even more annoying creature, the moonnut or wingbat which ever you prefer.

37 Stanghazi  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:33:46am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

I have to say. Twitter as a means of a medium for debate on this issue sucks. Goddamn this story has brought the paranoia intersection between moonbat and wingnut out to form an even more annoying creature, the moonnut or wingbat which ever you prefer.

Makes me post this off-topic.

38 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:34:45am

re: #37 Stanghazi

Makes me post this off-topic.

That poor guy and all the fathers at that school.

39 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:35:30am

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Goes back to an earlier statement: It doesn’t matter what’s true any longer. Trust has been corroded, for good reasons and bad. It will be impossible to rebuild because of the nature of black programs.

40 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:39:22am

This is clearly worse than thatlastworsegate.

41 Minor_L  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:39:24am

re: #35 Charles Johnson

He’s seems to be doing the exact things he’s accusing you of doing (e.g., twisting and turning to justify).

42 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:40:05am

re: #39 Decatur Deb

My suggestion? Let the Patriot Act sunset out. Insist. Next, trim FISA back to anti terror and counter intel. The drug war can be fought without it.

$.02

43 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:41:18am

re: #42 Political Atheist

My suggestion? Let the Patriot Act sunset out. Insist. Next, trim FISA back to anti terror and counter intel. The drug war can be fought without it.

$.02

Yeah. Closest thing to a silver lining in this shitcloud.

44 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:41:54am

My coffee was defective. Snore.

45 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:42:21am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

I have to say. Twitter as a means of a medium for debate on this issue sucks. Goddamn this story has brought the paranoia intersection between moonbat and wingnut out to form an even more annoying creature, the moonnut or wingbat which ever you prefer.

I think this transcends the moonbat/wingnut paradigm. There are people of ALL political stripes who are clearly attracted to the “truthiness” in the allegations. Less hysterical people will have to go forward knowing that a percentage of the public is, for whatever reason, unable to do nuance here.

46 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:44:06am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Now I’m “fundamentally dishonest.”

How come these people can never spell?

47 Minor_L  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:44:56am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

I just heard you’re bully, too. Shame on you! ;-)

48 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:45:43am

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

How come these people can never spell?

Not on the curriculum at Famous Bloggers Homeschool U.

49 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:46:39am

re: #47 Minor_L

I just heard you’re bully, too. Shame on you! ;-)

Right - I’ve got someone calling me a shameful liar who needs to apologize and correct right away, but I’m the bully.

50 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:47:04am
51 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:47:12am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

I have to say. Twitter as a means of a medium for debate on this issue sucks. Goddamn this story has brought the paranoia intersection between moonbat and wingnut out to form an even more annoying creature, the moonnut or wingbat which ever you prefer.

Twitter as a means of debating anything on any issue sucks.

Me? My idea of a debate is sitting down with the late Bill Buckley, in a library of 10,000 books on history, politics, economics, etc., over an endless supply of beverages, with me and Mr. Buckley carefully listening to what the other has to say and formulating a thoughtful, or witty response.

I once had a great debate over the assassination of Patrice Lumumba with a Nigerian chap - we listened to what we had to say, and we kept it civil and respectful. An exchange of ideas.

But in the modern era, ‘debates’ are all too often people hurling invective and insults, something I find deplorable.

52 Minor_L  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:48:07am

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Exactly. Plus, consistent, reasoned argument is not bullying. Typically, someone only resorts “you’re bullying me!” when they can’t refute your claims.

53 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:48:31am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

I have to say. Twitter as a means of a medium for debate on this issue sucks. Goddamn this story has brought the paranoia intersection between moonbat and wingnut out to form an even more annoying creature, the moonnut or wingbat which ever you prefer.

Twitter’s great for some things, but this shows why there’s still a need for discussion forums like LGF.

54 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:49:55am

Heh, I called out Robert Spencer for paling around with Pamela Geller yesterday and got this answer from him: “You’re perpetrating a Goebbels-like Big Lie in service of enabling jihad.”

55 Lidane  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:53:04am
56 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:53:41am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Twitter again shows what happens when you don’t have strong moderation. Now scale matters of course so a blog like this is easier to moderate than a huge enterprise like twitter. But a billion dollars in revenue ought to help them clean up the place!

57 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:55:03am

re: #54 stabby

Heh, I called out Robert Spencer for paling around with Pamela Geller yesterday and got this answer from him: “You’re perpetrating a Goebbels-like Big Lie in service of enabling jihad.”

Bet he says that to all the stabbys.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:55:19am

re: #42 Political Atheist

My suggestion? Let the Patriot Act sunset out. Insist. Next, trim FISA back to anti terror and counter intel. The drug war can be fought without it.needs to end.

$.02

FTFY.

59 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:55:43am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Twitter’s great for some things, but this shows why there’s still a need for discussion forums like LGF.

Oh yeah definitely. Just think it’s silly that people want to use it for discussion especially on something like this.

60 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:55:44am

re: #54 stabby

Heh, I called out Robert Spencer for paling around with Pamela Geller yesterday and got this answer from him: “You’re perpetrating a Goebbels-like Big Lie in service of enabling jihad.”

Struck a bit of a nerve, did ya?

61 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:58:32am
62 AntonSirius  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 11:58:49am

re: #54 stabby

Heh, I called out Robert Spencer for paling around with Pamela Geller yesterday and got this answer from him: “You’re perpetrating a Goebbels-like Big Lie in service of enabling jihad.”

So… he’s denying he’s friends with Geller? That seems odd.

63 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:01:05pm

Weaksauce.

Updated 6/16 at 11:15 a.m. PT The original headline when the story was published on Saturday was “NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants,” which was changed to “NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls,” to better match the story. The first paragraph was changed to add attribution to Rep. Nadler. Also added was an additional statement that the congressman’s aide sent this morning, an excerpt from a Washington Post story on NSA phone call content surveillance that appeared Saturday, and remarks that Rep. Rogers made on CNN this morning.]

64 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:02:27pm

Happy Father’s Day.
Youtube Video

65 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:04:37pm

re: #62 AntonSirius

So… he’s denying he’s friends with Geller? That seems odd.

Yeah because calling out Pamela Geller and her association with Eurofascists is just like Joseph Goebells encouraging violence against Jews. Fuck off Spencer.

66 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:06:39pm

re: #60 Varek Raith

Well you know how diplomatic I am.

There were better things said in the thread but here’s the part that got a response:

Robert Spencer • a day ago
CEMB [Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain] is just as bad or worse as those Islamic supremacists they purport to reject. They further the baseless defamation and smearing of counter-jihad groups and individuals as “far right nationalists,” engaging lustily in bullying and intimidation of their own while decrying it when supposedly directed to them; dissemble about the roots of various Islamic supremacist practices within Islam (cf. the foundations of taqiyya in Qur’an 3:28 and the demur linked above); propagate jihadist propaganda against Israel (cf. Namazie’s furthering of fictions invented by murderous Hamas propagandists); and more. In short, they are worse than useless, and are useful tools of the Islamic supremacists they ostensibly oppose.

Josh S [me] to Robert Spencer • a day ago

What a horrible comment. The Ex Muslim forum publishes the best informed, most scathing attacks on Islam - better, of course, than yours because they come from closer knowledge.

And for you, the only important thing is that some of them notice your own clumsy hostility toward moderates, your paling around with paranoid far right bigots like Pamela Geller, the flashes of your own Catholic sectarianism and drew the obvious conclusion about you.

I’m sorry if being an ex-Muslim doesn’t predispose one to stroking the egos of clumsy morons like yourself, but that is hardly a stain on the forum.

*******
Josh S to Josh S • 21 hours ago

I think Robert Spencer’s refusal to answer this question is the most important point in this thread.

Spencer is happy to be seen paling around with, on stage with, even hugging this far right, anti-immigrant paranoid.

Geller is ever more connected to far right groups that dream of ethnic in cleansing Europe, have nazi connections, echo Anders Brevik…

In her constant rages, she promotes the oddest paranoid rants.

I understand her as an extreme xenophobe, a paranoid, a coward slouching toward Nazism.

That Spencer can’t distance himself from his connection to the racist, crazed right shows either bad intent or stupidity.

One problem with stupid people who hang around with extremists is that they lack the perspective to avoid absorbing the extremists’ attitudes and beliefs. So even if he didn’t start out as a bigot, he’ll be one eventually.

*******
Robert Spencer to Josh S • 20 hours ago

You’re the basest kind of liar and smear artist, even worse than Sarah (and that is going far). Neither Geller nor I have any racist or neo-Nazi connections. You’re perpetrating a Goebbels-like Big Lie in service of enabling jihad. You are beneath contempt.

Out of that part but good:

Josh S to Adrian Morgan • 18 hours ago


Hint, if you want to be respected for years of research into Islamic extremism you might want to avoid promoting obvious anti-immigrant bigots.

And if you attack ex-Muslims, and you pal around with anti-immigrant bigots, then it certainly looks like Islam wasn’t actually your problem with them.

And if, like Spencer, you can’t understand that, then you’re obviously spectacularly dim.

Similarly if extremism is supposedly your focus, then attacking moderates as inauthentic, ie. as heretics, is a incredible own-goal.

And if, like Spencer, you can’t see that, then … see above.

One can deduce that Spencer’s purpose is not to promote a functioning, cosmopolitan, tolerant society, even though that’s exactly what his home country, the United States of America is, even with its Muslim population. He’s allied with people who simply promote hostility toward Muslim immigrants.

And if that’s not his goal then he’s an incompetent.

And I judge him THAT way. Well meaning, but stupidly slouching toward bigotry.

67 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:08:15pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson


that doesn’t even make sense.
Sounds like they are agreeing that you are correct but nyah nyah nyah anyway…because

68 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:08:52pm

re: #62 AntonSirius

No, he’s denying the part I hadn’t quoted yet, that Geller is a bigot associated with far right anti-immigrant groups.

Later I went back and posted stuff on her, her denial of srebrinicia, her connection to Pro Koln and Bloc Identaire (LGF links)

69 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:10:41pm
70 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:12:28pm

Yup, weaksauce was weak.

71 Gus  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:13:21pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

Yup, weaksauce was weak.

The derp storm continues apace.

72 Stanghazi  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:14:14pm

Remember Los Zetas!!

73 AntonSirius  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:14:54pm

re: #68 stabby

No, he’s denying the part I hadn’t quoted yet, that Geller is a bigot associated with far right anti-immigrant groups.

Later I went back and posted stuff on her, her denial of srebrinicia, her connection to Pro Koln and Bloc Identaire (LGF links)

That makes more sense.

74 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:16:09pm

I gave Spencer too much benefit of the doubt.

He likes the company he hangs out with. He makes his money selling bad books to bigots.

But I’ve long thought he wasn’t very bright, ever since he was so clumsy that he called moderate Muslims heretics or frauds just because he was too inarticulate to express that extremism is mainstream in any less harmful way.

75 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:25:06pm

re: #74 stabby

I gave Spencer too much benefit of the doubt.

He likes the company he hangs out with. He makes his money selling bad books to bigots.

But I’ve long thought he wasn’t very bright, ever since he was so clumsy that he called moderate Muslims heretics or frauds just because he was too inarticulate to express that extremism is mainstream in less harmful way.

What’s all the more ironic - at least to me - is that by calling moderate Muslims ‘heretics’ or ‘frauds’, he’s doing the exact same thing that Islamic fundamentalists/extremists do.

I’ve had a fundie tell me to my face that because I’m a student of Sheikh Nazim of the Naqshibandi Order, that I’m a heretic. I politely informed him at that juncture that he was in no place to decide who was a heretic or not; I did however helpfully suggest that perhaps he should call God on his mobile phone, as obviously he had God’s private number, seeing as how he was speaking to Him everyday, and we could get His authoritative opinion on the matter.

What shut him up was not my mockery, but rather everyone else in the mosque laughing at him.

76 stabby  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:28:21pm

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

I like the image of people laughing.
Remember Dana Carvy as Church Lady?

77 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 12:33:43pm

re: #76 stabby

I like the image of people laughing.
Remember Dana Carvy as Church Lady?

Oh, indeed I do; one of my all-time favorite SNL characters.

Polite ridicule is the best way to deal with fundies of all stripes.

78 earthanimal  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 1:21:19pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Now I’m “fundamentally dishonest.”

Brad is referring to the fact that you are now claiming that this news invalidates yesterday’s criticism of your reporting. But the subject of those criticisms, which I also made here, had nothing to do with the sloppy reporting done by CNET, which we both conceded as fair game for criticism, or the truth of what Nadler or his source said, but rather your claim that Nadler’s question pertained only to metadata. That is clearly incorrect — Nadler was explicitly asking about getting additional information from phones identified on the basis of already obtained metadata. So that criticism of your reporting still stands.

79 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 1:21:49pm

re: #18 thedopefishlives

When I first started reading this story on other websites, the first thing I did was come here to get the real facts. Charles, you are now officially more credible than the mainstream media. Congratulations.

And I’m seeing a few commenters bitterly criticizing Johnson on Balloon Juice, which makes me wonder why they just don’t criticize him here (where he could respond and defend himself).

80 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 1:25:12pm

re: #42 Political Atheist

My suggestion? Let the Patriot Act sunset out. Insist. Next, trim FISA back to anti terror and counter intel. The drug war can be fought without it.

$.02

Unfortunately, doesn’t seem as if many Congress folks want to go in that direction. I’m hearing Dems and Repubs speaking out in favor of the status quo, which is a shame.

81 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 1:52:30pm

re: #74 stabby

I gave Spencer too much benefit of the doubt.

He likes the company he hangs out with. He makes his money selling bad books to bigots.

But I’ve long thought he wasn’t very bright, ever since he was so clumsy that he called moderate Muslims heretics or frauds just because he was too inarticulate to express that extremism is mainstream in any less harmful way.

He kind of reminds me of someone else, this real idiot I know who claims, using the same logic Spencer does, that Islam is the most evil of all religions, and that this stems from the text of the Qu’ran and the character of Mohammad.

I’m sure you have as much contempt for that idiot.

82 piratedan  Sun, Jun 16, 2013 2:07:41pm

re: #54 stabby

Heh, I called out Robert Spencer for paling around with Pamela Geller yesterday and got this answer from him: “You’re perpetrating a Goebbels-like Big Lie in service of enabling jihad.”

well in truth Mr. Stabby, when you purchased your jihad, it did come with a two year service agreement……//


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