Coming Soon to Chicago: Glenn Greenwald and the Socialist Workers

In the old days, son, we called these “moonbats”

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Coming soon: don’t miss Glenn Greenwald at the Socialism 2013 conference in Chicago, sponsored by the extreme left wing International Socialist Organization, the US branch of one of the many Trotskyite groups associated with the International Socialist umbrella movement.

Also featured: workshops on “The new movement against Israeli apartheid,” “Obama’s war on civil liberties,” and “Israel, Zionism, and Imperialism.”

Socialist Worker, Don’t Miss Jeremy Scahill and Glenn Greenwald at Socialism 2013

“As someone who speaks at all sorts of political gatherings every year, I can say with certainty that no event assembles more passionate activism, genuine expertise, and provocative insights than the Socialism Conference. This will be my third straight year attending, and what keeps me coming back is how invigorating and inspiring it is to be in the midst of such diverse and impressive activists,” said Glenn Greenwald about the Socialism conference.

Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill have both made tremendous contributions in exposing the truth about U.S. politics and the way the government behaves at home and abroad. Do not miss Greenwald and Scahill at Socialism 2013 and this incredibly urgent discussion about the attack on civil liberties, U.S. imperialism, and how we can fight back.

Glenn Greenwald is a journalist for the Guardian, responsible for exposing the National Security Agency’s massive spying operation of the U.S. government on its own citizens.

Watch Greenwald discuss the NSA, whistleblowers, the U.S. media here.

Jeremy Scahill is the writer and producer of the documentary Dirty Wars. Author of Dirty Wars: The world is a battlefield and Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army.

More Workshops on the U.S Imperialism, the war on civil liberties, Islamaphobia, Palestine:

Obama’s war on civil liberties featuring Ali Al-Arian

US Imperialism in the Middle East after the Arab Spring featuring Yusef Khalil, Shaun Joseph, Wael Elasady

What happened to the Egyptian Revolution? featuring Hani Shukrallah, Mostafa Ali, and Hatem Tallima

The new movement against Israeli apartheid featuring Shirien Damra, Ziad Abbas and Nolan Rampy

The struggle for Palestine featuring Ali Abunimah

Israel, Zionism, and imperialism featuring Deepa Kumar and Sherry Wolf

The real “Pirates of the Caribbean” featuring Dana Blanchard

Mali and the new imperial scramble for Africa featuring Sarah Knopp

The Marxist theory of imperialism and its critics featuring Lee Wengraf

U.S. imperialism’s “pivot to Asia” featuring Ashley Smith

The making of global capitalism featuring Sam Gindin

Drones, special forces, and bases: Obama’s new imperial strategy featuring Khury Petersen-Smith

Kill anything that moves: The real American war in Vietnam featuring Nick Turse

(h/t: Jean.)

(Update: corrected the name of the group sponsoring the conference.)

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107 comments

freetoken Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:49:43pm

Yeah, a party!!

Will there be cake?

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:52:59pm

re: #1 freetoken

Yeah, a party!!

Will there be cake?

Yes, and we’ll let them eat it.

palomino Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:53:21pm

Of all the things that bothered me about George W Bush (and there were many), his surveillance program was near the bottom of the list. Maybe I should be more afraid of Big Brother or maybe I’m naive, but after terror attacks you simply have to do more spying to prevent at least some future attacks. To do otherwise would be national security malpractice.

Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:53:41pm

re: #1 freetoken

Yeah, a party!!

Will there be cake?

There will be lies.

Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:54:09pm

These are the people who think they should be in charge of national security.

jaunte Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:54:32pm

“…this will be my third straight year attending…”

How can this keep happening in the most brutal, sprawling prison state on earth?

Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:54:41pm

re: #3 palomino

Of all the things that bothered me about George W Bush (and there were many), his surveillance program was near the bottom of the list. Maybe I should be more afraid of Big Brother or maybe I’m naive, but after terror attacks you simply have to do more spying to prevent at least some future attacks. To do otherwise would be national security malpractice.

I want total privacy and absolute safety. Y’all work it out.

Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:54:51pm

They’re the ones who should be able to decide what’s secret and what isn’t.

And oh yeah - ISRAELI APARTHEID!

freetoken Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:55:38pm

It’s folk like this who give socialism a bad name.

William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:56:23pm

Hoo-Ray! Real Trotskites! I love these guys - they’re so tiny and so out there it makes my group, the Democratic Socialists of America look huge and mainstream ;)

Hey K-T? Here’s some real Reds for you to be scared are under your bed!

Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:56:27pm

re: #9 freetoken

It’s folk like this who give socialism a bad name.

Retro-reds. Hope the IWW isn’t there.

b.d. Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:56:37pm

Beware to be under tipped O’Hare area workers.

Gus Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:57:20pm

You notice something? It’s one big negative line-up. Nothing seems constructive as in “what’s our plan.” Just one Debbie Downer speaker after the other.

Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:57:54pm

re: #13 Gus

You notice something? It’s one big negative line-up. Nothing seems constructive as in “what’s our plan.” Just one Debbie Downer speaker after the other.

Watch it.

William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:58:08pm

re: #11 Decatur Deb

Retro-reds. Hope the IWW isn’t there.

Hey, now, the Wobblies are much saner and are actually growing as they’re organizing in the service industries. They even have a sex workers branch.

Gus Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:58:28pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Watch it.

Yes sir!

See what I did there?

darthstar Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:58:42pm

Annnnd, days after “yes definitely” on immigration reform, House GOP is “no way in hell” w/o majority of support http://t.co/xHSxCEUvvs
— Alex Wagner (@alexwagner) June 17, 2013

@bum_joe @alexwagner If it's a legitimate bill, the GOP has ways to shut that whole thing down.
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) June 17, 2013

piratedan Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:58:56pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

well rest assured, they have their own best interests at heart.

darthstar Mon, Jun 17, 2013 3:59:44pm

@QuadCityPat @allanbrauer @chucktodd He was respecting the Republican Embargo on making them look bad.
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) June 17, 2013

Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:00:20pm

re: #15 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey, now, the Wobblies are much saner and are actually growing as they’re organizing in the service industries. They even have a sex workers branch.

Yup. That’s why I don’t want them there. They had the labor answer to globalist corporations a hundred years early.

freetoken Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:00:44pm

re: #13 Gus

It’s the professional grievance circuit. As I noted downstairs, it is a cottage industry.

Different ideologies have their analogues to it.

Lancelot Link Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:00:56pm

Is that the Judean Peoples’ Front?

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:01:48pm

re: #22 Lancelot Link

Is that the Judean Peoples’ Front?

Fuck off! We’re the People’s Front of Judea!

b.d. Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:02:14pm

Will this be on CSPAN? Comedy Central? RTN? DemocracyNow!?

ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:02:41pm

I could use some wishes and prayers here. I’m hoping that a job I interviewed for in the Denver Metro will go my way, so I can get away from my Dad.

Also, the job I am at now is literally soul-killing.

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:04:37pm

re: #25 ProTARDISLiberal

Also, the job I am at now is literally soul-killing.

Wait - are you that guy from ‘Reaper”?
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Gus Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:05:17pm

re: #21 freetoken

It’s the professional grievance circuit. As I noted downstairs, it is a cottage industry.

Different ideologies have their analogues to it.

Welcome to the what’s wrong with everything club. We’ve got grievances! Glenn will get to lump Sam Harris with Pat Condell again.

Jack Burton Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:05:53pm

Moonbats, very dangerous. You go first Charles.

Libertarian ~~kooks~~concerned patriots, how do you justify running with baseless overblown and debunked charges made by someone apparently in league with “The Chi-Coms” who’s working with someone in league with actual communists here in the US?

Ahhhh yeah right, cherry pick what you like, ignore what’s inconvenient, like the far right fundies do with Ayn Rand. What was I thinking…

cinesimon Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:07:14pm

I have always respected Scahill. He’s always been a facts guy. I really hope he has the balls to call Greenwald out for his dishonesty and making up of ‘facts’. And how classically Greenwaldian: from tea-bagger during the Bush years, to pretend left-libertarian in the Obama years.
Whichever way the political wind blows so goes his ideology.

It’s amazing to me that so many fire-baggers have no idea of Greenwald’s sordid history of dishonesty, war mongering and faux ‘brave truth-telling’.

And it’s sad that because they want to believe his assertions, many of my ideological allies have decided it’s true. No proof required. This hasn’t been true of the majority of the left for a long time.
I guess, along with blaming them individually, I blame the extremely partisan times, and of course Greenwald’s crass opportunism. Disguised as patriotism, the guy is as big a charlatan as Beck and Alex Jones.

darthstar Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:08:57pm

Holy crap. I responded to bum_joe above and opened a shitstorm…two response tweets in a row with graphic descriptions of shit and shitting to describe the GOP. I actually apologised to Alex Wagner for opening that door, though I don’t now how it happened.

ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:10:03pm

re: #26 GeneJockey

No, I am a sales person (call center, people calling in). It’s just…many customers are mean and cruel (one girl I know who works there broke down crying one day from abuse), and the normal sales stuff, like anyone who works at Best Buy or similar knows.

Gus Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:12:31pm

re: #30 darthstar

Holy crap. I responded to bum_joe above and opened a shitstorm…two response tweets in a row with graphic descriptions of shit and shitting to describe the GOP. I actually apologised to Alex Wagner for opening that door, though I don’t now how it happened.

I hate it when people do that. Or when they start adding other Tweeps to the conversation.

William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:14:32pm

re: #31 ProTARDISLiberal

No, I am a sales person (call center, people calling in). It’s just…many customers are mean and cruel (one girl I know who works there broke down crying one day from abuse), and the normal sales stuff, like anyone who works at Best Buy or similar knows.

DD & I were kinda chuckling about it upthread, but that’s the kind of job that needs to organize. Go to iww.org and see what they have to offer all workers.

Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:17:40pm

Want to know where Monty Python got the inspiration for that “People’s Front of Judea” sketch?

The groups that are all affiliated with this one:

Communist Party USA
Democratic Socialists of America
Freedom Road Socialist Organization
Freedom Socialist Party
International Socialist Organization
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Revolutionary Communist Party
Socialist Action
Socialist Alternative
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Party USA
Socialist Workers Party
Spartacist League
Workers World Party
World Socialist Party of the United States

Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:18:14pm

And BAM! Immediately a Greenwald cultist called me a “McCarthyite.”

Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:18:18pm

And what has Obama ever done for us?

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:18:45pm

re: #31 ProTARDISLiberal

No, I am a sales person (call center, people calling in). It’s just…many customers are mean and cruel (one girl I know who works there broke down crying one day from abuse), and the normal sales stuff, like anyone who works at Best Buy or similar knows.

Well, everyone should have a shitty job for a while when they’re young, but that seems shittier than most.

ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:19:22pm

re: #33 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, I know.

The girl is a very sweet person too. Taking care of disabled parents on her own.

I try to have a chivalrous streak, so part of me wanted to me mean to the person who caused her to break down. From this job, I can tell the number one problem in America today: Avarice.

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:19:54pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Want to know where Monty Python got the inspiration for that “People’s Front of Judea” sketch?

The groups that are all affiliated with this one:

Communist Party USA
Democratic Socialists of America
Freedom Road Socialist Organization
Freedom Socialist Party
International Socialist Organization
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Revolutionary Communist Party
Socialist Action
Socialist Alternative
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Party USA
Socialist Workers Party
Spartacist League
Workers World Party
World Socialist Party of the United States

What about the Judean Popular People’s Front?

That’s him, over there. SPLITTER!!!

Jack Burton Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:24:00pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

And BAM! Immediately a Greenwald cultist called me a “McCarthyite.”

I’m missing the part where you advocated pulling people in front of Congress for a kangaroo court show trial based solely on their political beliefs.

I’m also unable to find anything indicating that anyone in either the Bush or Obama administrations did anything of the sort.

b.d. Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:24:03pm

They should have an open bar there….right?

Amory Blaine Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:24:45pm

Does Greenwald have the power to unite the wingnuts and the moonbats? Some kind of derp fusion.

ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:25:19pm

An ancillary reason for leaving COS.

Geographically, in regards to fire, this place is a time bomb.

William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:26:08pm

re: #41 b.d.

They should have an open bar there….right?

Maybe. Most of the ones I’ve had the misfortune of meeting are really puritanical.

Occam's Guillotine Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:26:37pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

And BAM! Immediately a Greenwald cultist called me a “McCarthyite.”

So? Let’s review the facts:
The right wing’s newest hero has fled to Red China and revealed espionage secrets (NOT privacy violations) to the Russians. His chief shill, Greenwald, is hanging out with Trotskyite agitators here in the states. The antisemitic conspiracy site RT.com (formerly Russia Today) is a red hot new source for “patriots” and RWNJs at places like Free Republic.

My conclusion: The media based right is a communist front. Beck, Alex Jones, and Rush Limbaugh are at least fellow travelers. I have, or can readily fabricate, a list of 197 (or perhaps 314) known pinkos who have worked for right-wing media in recent years. Given their long running attempt to rehabilitate Joseph McCarthy, conservative leaders like Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter will surely have no objection if we hold congressional hearings to investigate this apparent communist infiltration of their movement.
Now, pass me that bottle of Jim Beam, please.

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:26:40pm

re: #42 Amory Blaine

Does Greenwald have the power to unite the wingnuts and the moonbats? Some kind of derp fusion.

It might be like matter and antimatter, and each wingnut and moonbat that get together are annihilated, with an accompanying enormous release of energy.

Jack Burton Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:29:09pm

Since Life of Bryan was brought up.

CONIVRATIO ASSERTORII EVNT DOMVS!

Amory Blaine Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:30:01pm

The idea that Greenwald apparently has the time to go on the lecture circuit right after he ignited a shitbomb and his patsy is running for cover is rubbing me the wrong way.

wrenchwench Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:34:21pm

re: #45 Occam’s Guillotine

So? Let’s review the facts:
The right wing’s newest hero has fled to Red China and revealed espionage secrets (NOT privacy violations) to the Russians. His chief shill, Greenwald, is hanging out with Trotskyite agitators here in the states. The antisemitic conspiracy site RT.com (formerly Russia Today) is a red hot new source for “patriots” and RWNJs at places like Free Republic.

My conclusion: The media based right is a communist front. Beck, Alex Jones, and Rush Limbaugh are at least fellow travelers. I have, or can readily fabricate, a list of 197 (or perhaps 314) known pinkos who have worked for right-wing media in recent years. Given their long running attempt to rehabilitate Joseph McCarthy, conservative leaders like Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter will surely have no objection if we hold congressional hearings to investigate this apparent communist infiltration of their movement.
Now, pass me that bottle of Jim Beam, please.

One error there. Greenwald lives in Brazil.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:35:19pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

They’re the ones who should be able to decide what’s secret and what isn’t.

And oh yeah - ISRAELI APARTHEID!

BWAHAHAA!!

wrenchwench Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:36:04pm

re: #46 GeneJockey

It might be like matter and antimatter, and each wingnut and moonbat that get together are annihilated, with an accompanying enormous release of energy.

And the creation of a tiny subatomic particle known as a ‘moron’.

Jack Burton Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:36:37pm

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

I’ve been waiting for one of those checks for years now.

Gus Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:37:03pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

And the creation of a tiny subatomic particle known as a ‘moron’.

I thought it was moran?

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:37:11pm

re: #25 ProTARDISLiberal

I could use some wishes and prayers here. I’m hoping that a job I interviewed for in the Denver Metro will go my way, so I can get away from my Dad.

Also, the job I am at now is literally soul-killing.

You work for Cthulhu? That must suck. And I thought my DoD contract was the Job From Hell.

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:37:15pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

And the creation of a tiny subatomic particle known as a ‘moron’.

There’s also the ‘lesson’, but morons are impervious to lessons.

Occam's Guillotine Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:37:52pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

One error there. Greenwald lives in Brazil.

But the Trotskyite conclave is here in the states. Perhaps I should have said “will be hanging out with” though it’s only 10 days away. I don’t know if he’s here yet, but the Reds certainly are and he is obviously in comradely communion with them.

Gus Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:38:54pm

Perhaps Snowden grew up wanting to be a Secret Asian Man which might explain his interest in China.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:39:04pm

Yeah, my income has literally doubled.
Oh, and the price of gas has not doubled, it hasn’t even increased much from the time Bush was Pres.

#Gas prices have doubled since #Obama became president. Has your income doubled? #ccot #tcot #PJNET #TGDN #teaparty
— ?Wretched Man I Am (@WretchedManIam) June 17, 2013

wrenchwench Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:41:59pm

re: #56 Occam’s Guillotine

But the Trotskyite conclave is here in the states. Perhaps I should have said “will be hanging out with” though it’s only 10 days away. I don’t know if he’s here yet, but the Reds certainly are and he is obviously in comradely communion with them.

I was going to guess that he’d actually appear by video. Isn’t he afraid the US Government might kill him or arrest him or mock him?

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:43:20pm

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, my income has literally doubled.
Oh, and the price of gas has not doubled, it hasn’t even increased much from the time Bush was Pres.

Good luck trying to argue that point. I tried it, and some wingnut insisted that it was because Bush had signed off on some oil leases or some such in summer of 2008 that cause the price to drop like a stone later that year.

Nothing to do with the world economy grinding to a halt. No, it was all because Bush opened up more of the Gulf to drilling.

It’s part of why I gave up talking to them. There’s more point arguing philosophy with my Greyhounds.

Belafon Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:43:31pm

re: #6 jaunte

Is he not afraid of being arrested when he enters the most brutal prison state on the planet?

makeitstop Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:44:21pm

re: #61 Belafon

Is he not afraid of being arrested when he enters the most brutal prison state on the planet?

And how hard would we all laugh if that were to happen?

I, personally, would bust a gut.

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:45:16pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

I was going to guess that he’d actually appear by video. Isn’t he afraid the US Government might kill him or arrest him or mock him?

Aw, geez. And of course he’d hint that he had to use the video link to be safe from the Big Bad Obama.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:45:28pm

re: #60 GeneJockey

Good luck trying to argue that point. I tried it, and some wingnut insisted that it was because Bush had signed off on some oil leases or some such in summer of 2008 that cause the price to drop like a stone later that year.

Nothing to do with the world economy grinding to a halt. No, it was all because Bush opened up more of the Gulf to drilling.

It’s part of why I gave up talking to them. There’s more point arguing philosophy with my Greyhounds.

If I tweet to correct them, I will also copy to a liberal hashtag so that at least somebody gets it.

Occam's Guillotine Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:45:32pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

I was going to guess that he’d actually appear by video. Isn’t he afraid the US Government might kill him or arrest him or mock him?

I’m skeptical of the kill and arrest stuff, but he is certainly going to be mocked, and not just by the government.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:46:19pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

I was going to guess that he’d actually appear by video. Isn’t he afraid the US Government might kill him or arrest him or mock him?

He will be laughed at and made fun of, so much that he might cry.

wrenchwench Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:48:09pm

re: #66 Vicious Babushka

He will be laughed at and made fun of, so much that he might cry.

Then he’ll be even more like Glenn Beck.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:48:41pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

Then he’ll be even more like Glenn Beck.

Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.

Jack Burton Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:50:20pm

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, my income has literally doubled.
Oh, and the price of gas has not doubled, it hasn’t even increased much from the time Bush was Pres.

I’m getting so tired of hearing that bullshit. It’s like nails on chalk-board to me.

The max price of gas when Bush was President where I live was over $4.50 a gallon. (Now its like $3.95)

Right after it was that price we had the housing bubble burst, a stock market crash, and a recession. Gas prices plummeted down to around $2.00-ish/gallon here. This is the price they always point to and claim that gas has doubled under Obama. The reason it dropped is the economy stalled and went into freefall. Banks were failing. It became too expensive to truck or fly goods around the country and now no one was buying them anyway, so demand for fuel collapsed. So did the price. I don’t want Obama to bring down the price of gasoline this way. No one should.

And pointing to this and saying it’s something Bush did right… really anyone that does this needs to be slapped in the face with a c**k. Seriously.

Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:52:16pm

re: #13 Gus

You notice something? It’s one big negative line-up. Nothing seems constructive as in “what’s our plan.” Just one Debbie Downer speaker after the other.

The whole lineup looks like the same old tired generic crap they’ve been on about for years. It is interesting on the heels of OWS. The Canadian Marxist guy who started OWS actually had some really interesting ideas. Not my cup of tea but at least they were interesting. Looks like he didn’t even make a dent in modernizing his fellow socialists.

mikec6666 Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:53:03pm

Parties? I thought we were an autonomous collective.

ProTARDISLiberal Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:53:12pm

To elaborate on the the Fire and COS thing, lets look at this.

Each little polygon here represents a ridge, bluff, or something similar in nature. Most of these have some number of trees on them, and are covered in grasses and bushes otherwise.

What happens when one of them catches on fire because of some bonehead with a cigarette, or an idiot pyro? I think I see where this would go. Nowhere pretty.

mikec6666 Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:54:46pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Well Charles, we all know you’re the sekrit blog leader of the sprawling prison system.

Walking Spanish Down the Hall Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:55:54pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Want to know where Monty Python got the inspiration for that “People’s Front of Judea” sketch?

The groups that are all affiliated with this one:

Communist Party USA
Democratic Socialists of America
Freedom Road Socialist Organization
Freedom Socialist Party
International Socialist Organization
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Revolutionary Communist Party
Socialist Action
Socialist Alternative
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Party USA
Socialist Workers Party
Spartacist League
Workers World Party
World Socialist Party of the United States

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (Farmer-Labour-Socialist). 1932

Walking Spanish Down the Hall Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:59:03pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

And BAM! Immediately a Greenwald cultist called me a “McCarthyite.”

This guy?

Charley McCarthy

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:59:57pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Want to know where Monty Python got the inspiration for that “People’s Front of Judea” sketch?

The groups that are all affiliated with this one:

Communist Party USA
Democratic Socialists of America
Freedom Road Socialist Organization
Freedom Socialist Party
International Socialist Organization
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Revolutionary Communist Party
Socialist Action
Socialist Alternative
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Party USA
Socialist Workers Party
Spartacist League
Workers World Party
World Socialist Party of the United States

All these parties, you would think they would be really fun guys, but they’re just a bunch of lameasses.

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:02:30pm

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

All these parties, you would think they would be really fun guys, but they’re just a bunch of lameasses.

Wait - you’re saying the Spartacist League is in no way associated with Spartacus - Blood and Sand and Boobies?
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:04:53pm

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, my income has literally doubled.
Oh, and the price of gas has not doubled, it hasn’t even increased much from the time Bush was Pres.

The crash in 2008 took gas prices from ~$5.38/gal to ~$2.79/gal in 4 months. It now stands at about ~$4.90/gal so technically he’s right, but he is so because he screws the context.

gas chart

gasbuddy.com

EDIT: Sorry. Too late again.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:07:48pm

re: #78 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

The crash in 2008 took gas prices from ~$5.38/gal to ~$2.79/gal in 4 months. It now stands at about ~$4.90/gal so technically he’s right, but he is so because he screws the context.

gas chart

gasbuddy.com

I actually had a wingnut try to ‘splain me that the huge drop was because of Obama’s election.

Wait, what?

Then they deleted that Tweet.

Walking Spanish Down the Hall Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:09:04pm

re: #79 Vicious Babushka

I actually had a wingnut try to ‘splain me that the huge drop was because of Obama’s election.

Wait, what?

Then they deleted that Tweet.

Everything is Obama’s fault, even things that aren’t.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:09:22pm

*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*

So this is now the bar? http://t.co/5DyqqNFTQj - Read the paragraph beginning: “Should this be transparent in some way?”
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 18, 2013

Justanotherhuman Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:10:25pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

All of whom have about 6 members each; they frequently attend each other’s gabfests. Or spy. You should have seen some of the ideological fights back during the Vietnam era.

thedopefishlives Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:11:00pm

re: #79 Vicious Babushka

I actually had a wingnut try to ‘splain me that the huge drop was because of Obama’s election.

Wait, what?

Then they deleted that Tweet.

Derrrr der-der-der-derp!

Amory Blaine Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:13:03pm

Gentle reminders from Badgerland

Wisconsin Cuts Funds to Planned Parenthood

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker signed a budget Sunday that cuts education and health clinics — including Planned Parenthood clinics — to plug a $3 billion shortfall without raising taxes, AP reported.
The two-year, $66 billion budget passed in the state legislature without a single Democratic vote.
The Planned Parenthood Federation of America denounced the budget, which eliminated state and federal funding for the organization’s clinics.
Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin says it has 27 health centers across the state, which provide birth control, cancer screenings, annual exams, and sexually transmitted disease testing and treatment to 73,000 patients every year.
Wisconsin is the fourth state to target Planned Parenthood because of conservative-led objections to the group’s abortion services — even though they are funded separately and make up a small fraction of the services Planned Parenthood provides.

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:14:05pm

EPIC FAIL OF THE DAY

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:14:38pm

re: #80 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Everything is Obama’s fault, even things that aren’t.

Just like the Great Recession - which began a year before he took office - became the Obama Recession even before he was inaugurated. Honest to god, I saw wingnuts arguing that his election was the drag on the economy in late 2008.

lawhawk Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:18:07pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

And brought to you by the Weekly World News

and

News Corp f/k/a BBC 3 because the News knows ///

bratwurst Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:18:17pm

re: #86 GeneJockey

Just like the Great Recession - which began a year before he took office - became the Obama Recession even before he was inaugurated. Honest to god, I saw wingnuts arguing that his election was the drag on the economy in late 2008.

We used to have a nitwit right here (from one of the five boroughs) who swore that the stock market didn’t tank until Obama was elected. I would ask him how he feels about the market being up 120% under Obama…except he was banned a long time ago for being an asshole.

erik_t Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:19:00pm

re: #86 GeneJockey

Just like the Great Recession - which began a year before he took office - became the Obama Recession even before he was inaugurated. Honest to god, I saw wingnuts arguing that his election was the drag on the economy in late 2008.

When you treats facts as a yours-and-mine sort of thing, it’s pretty easy to construct whatever causal relationship you desire.

engineer cat Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:19:13pm

what am i not doing today?

working in a shop using the ~~unbelievably inefficient and cumbersome extreme micromanagement system~~ agile development methodology

i’m back working at Big Telecom in the nerd-to-nerd shop!

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:19:28pm

Amazing how CNET continues to allow McCullagh to cover the NSA story even after his weekend disaster.
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) June 18, 2013

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:20:30pm

I think Ronnie could be talking about a dog.

Happy Father's Day to all Fathers out there! #tcot #gop #orpuw #HCOT #tgdn #Republican #Reagan #Patriot #ccot #ctot pic.twitter.com/A1cxUgoTPr
— Cleophis FlyJuice II (@CFlyJuiceII) June 16, 2013

Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:22:43pm

Wingnuts keep Tweeting this outrageous outrage. They think that the FLOTUS should not stay anywhere but the cottages where the Negro folk were allowed, back in the 1940’s.

Michelle to Stay in $3,300-a-Night Dublin Hotel Suite http://t.co/3RwdluuHYF via @keithkoffler #TGDN #TCOT #BS
— Brentable (@Brentable) June 18, 2013

GeneJockey Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:22:47pm

re: #88 bratwurst

We used to have a nitwit right here (from one of the five boroughs) who swore that the stock market didn’t tank until Obama was elected. I would ask him how he feels about the market being 120% up under Obama…except he was banned a long time ago for being an asshole.

Color me unsurprised. I’ve seen wingnuts, in one post, claim that the whole Housing Bubble was because Chris Dodd and Barney Frank - who were both in the Minority party in their respective Houses of Congress - managed to prevent Republicans from doing anything to stop it, and then argue that everything was fine till the Democrats won back the Congress in 2006.

When I asked how Dodd and Frank, being in the minority, were able to keep the Republican majority from doing anything, they told me that the GOP was too polite and didn’t want to be confrontational about it, so they let it go.

I shit you not.

dragonath Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:42:22pm

Heh, It would probably blow a few people’s minds that the party that won Israel’s first elections had a stylized hammer and sickle in their logo.

Justanotherhuman Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:58:06pm

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

The rate is €2500 and it’s a Marriott. Presidential Suite: marriott.com (scroll down)

So why should they care?

Because what you said.

MPH Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:09:29pm

Warning to the die-hards. LGF may be pivoting again.

blueraven Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:17:06pm

re: #97 MPH

Warning to the die-hards. LGF may be pivoting again.

Care to expound on this?

Spocomptonite Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:17:40pm

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts keep Tweeting this outrageous outrage. They think that the FLOTUS should not stay anywhere but the cottages where the Negro folk were allowed, back in the 1940’s.

When Sarah Palin was doing her bus tour, the room she stayed in at the hotel I worked at at the time cost $5000 per night. Probably wasn’t what she paid though, but that’s besides the multitude of points, which pretty much all boil down to “so what?” There are a lot of problems in the country/U.S., but hospitality bills are what they concentrate on?

100

sagehen Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:49:55pm

This actually makes me happy.

If the Left moves far enough left, and right will also move left, and the center will then be approximately near the real true center.

Back in the 60’s when the Left was extreme enough to be bombing the pentagon and rioting in Chicago and such… the right was doing things like EPA, OSHA, Title IX, Title X… our politics was much saner then.

101

socrets Mon, Jun 17, 2013 8:49:12pm

Okay, I agree with the fact that Greenwald has ruined and trashed whatever credibility he might have had as someone on the left who wasn’t in love with Obama but can we keep the red-baiting down a bit? I don’t wanna wake up McCarthy.

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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 17, 2013 10:12:48pm

re: #97 MPH

Warning to the die-hards. LGF may be pivoting again.

Uh, no. Not even a remote chance of that. Hope you’re not too disappointed.

103

cinesimon Mon, Jun 17, 2013 10:32:05pm

re: #97 MPH

Bizarre nonsense.

re: #100 sagehen

Yeah the Dems would have to move waaaayy left, as would the Repubs. Not gonna happen.

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Cresttwo Tue, Jun 18, 2013 10:02:15am

Oh please, just stop. Its getting ridiculous. Knock Greenwald for whatever you like — yeah, he’s no yankee doodle dandy — but this is just idiotic. He must be the first radical anti-semitic trotskyite ever to do work for CATO, huh?
Its called guilt by association, and its convincing only to those who are already on your side. [by the way, on this issue, those associated with your point of view are unusually putrid and slimy]. It undermines whatever you’ve established to date against the snowden/greenwald claims, which, lets face it, ain’t a helluva lot.
Are you going to go after Jeremy Scahill as well now? Well, he’s just as guilty of the “crime” of speaking to these people, isn’t he?
I like Charles Johnson, and look forward to reading him every day, but this is really not up to his standards. Leave crusades to those who are too stupid and doctrinaire to do too much of anything else. They’re good at it.

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wrenchwench Tue, Jun 18, 2013 10:27:44am

re: #104 Cresttwo

Greetings, hatchling.

I like Charles Johnson, and look forward to reading him every day, but this is really not up to his standards. Leave crusades to those who are too stupid and doctrinaire to do too much of anything else. They’re good at it.

You read here everyday, yet you register today only to complain and insult?

You seem nice.

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SidewaysQuark Tue, Jun 18, 2013 10:39:29am

re: #35 Charles Johnson

And BAM! Immediately a Greenwald cultist called me a “McCarthyite.”

So are you a left-wing radical or right-wing radical? The critics really need to make up their minds.

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Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 18, 2013 11:38:44am

re: #104 Cresttwo

Hilarious. Yeah, sure — it’s completely irrelevant that the extreme left wing pseudo-journalist who’s deciding for himself what secrets the US should be able to keep is associating with a flat out crazy group of outright communists.

Greenwald fans are weird.

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