This is not a parody: The Religious Right is trying to make abortion funny

And failing
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salon.com

“How do you make abortion funny?” That was a key question mulled at a major conservative gathering Friday on how to make social conservatism appealing to young people, after an election where Republicans got trounced in the battle for millennial voters (who are are moving even further and further away from the Christian-right on marriage and other issues).

Abortion has to be made funny, the thinking goes, because funny sells on social media, and that’s where one goes to court young people. “You can engage with sarcasm, it’s hard with the abortion issue, but you have to,” said Students for Life president Kristan Hawkins at a breakout panel at the Faith and Freedom Coalition Conference in Washington today on how to win millennial voters. “Unfortunately we have to, because this is the generation that we’ve been dealt.”

No examples as to how.

This is, again, the conservatives in the US today not getting it. It is not the way that the argument is being presented. It is really not. It is not because you’re not being earnest or sarcastic. People really understand you want to ban abortion and humiliate women who seek to have one. It is understood that the reason behind this is religious belief. Nobody is not understanding the message of the GOP on abortion.

Do conservatives really believe that they just need to tweak the message, or do they know they’re rearranging deck chairs on the Titantic?

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141 comments
1 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:06:14pm

Two fetuses walk into a bar….

2 Joanne  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:45:01pm

Forced that chick to birth my baby and now they’re starving! LOL #ConservaHumor

3 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:46:52pm

One fetus rotates to the other and spilling a few oocytes …

4 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 4:55:49pm

I’m still trying to grasp the logic. It really has an ‘Underpants Gnomes’ feel:

1. Make Abortion funny.

2. ?

3. Abortion banned!

5 erik_t  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:18:02pm

Because the way to show me that you’re really super cereal about this being a critical major issue of our time is to… crack jokes.

Smrt.

6 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:22:06pm

What they’re assuming is that people who have abortions make light of it or don’t really care.

Wow.

7 skohayes  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:27:34pm

It amazes me how these forced birthers think. It’s like the mandated ultrasound bills that are passing in all the red states- forced birthers are just convinced that these poor women who want abortions have no idea that there is an actual baby in there!
That if we make banning abortion funny, instead of hateful and invasive and insulting, young people will just flock to our cause.
How can we be losing against these idiots??

8 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:30:45pm
9 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:33:21pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Forgive my naivete, what are they protesting?

10 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:34:42pm

re: #9 thedopefishlives

Forgive my naivete, what are they protesting?

Whaddaya got?

11 calochortus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:34:59pm

I’d guess the forced birth crowd is looking for Daily Show/Colbert Report type stuff to make the idea of a woman having control of her body seem laughable and ludicrous. Good luck with that.

12 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:35:01pm

re: #9 thedopefishlives

Forgive my naivete, what are they protesting?

Glenn Greenwald’s presence?
//

13 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:35:56pm

re: #11 calochortus

I’d guess the forced birth crowd is looking for Daily Show/Colbert Report type stuff to make the idea of a woman having control of her body seem laughable and ludicrous. Good luck with that.

Generally their level of humor on this topic is limited to ‘Shoulda kept her legs closed, huh?”

14 calochortus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:36:00pm

re: #9 thedopefishlives

Forgive my naivete, what are they protesting?

Bus fare increases IIRC.

15 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:36:08pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

What are they protesting? The rising cost of transportation and the costs for putting on the World Cup next year.

The unrest began last week, after the announcement of increased bus fares.

But the complaints of demonstrators soon extended beyond transport costs when clashes in Sao Paulo led to claims of excessive use of force by police. Dozens of people were hurt, including several journalists.

Since then, protesters have voiced frustration at public transport, security, health and the extent of public investment in two international football tournaments.

The protests have increased since the start of the Confederations Cup on Saturday, seen as a dress rehearsal for the 2014 World Cup.
Standstill

As Monday’s protests gathered strength, demonstrators in the capital, Brasilia, breached the high security area of the national congress building, climbing onto the roof of the Oscar Niemeyer-designed structure.

In Sao Paulo, some 65,000 people brought the country’s largest city to a standstill, as police stood by and watched.

They added .2 reals to the price of a single bus fare in Sao Paolo: it went from 3 reals ($1.40, £0.90) to 3.20 reals. The protests started with the fare hike, but then spread to other issues and inequities.

16 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:36:14pm

Seriously, it started over increased bus fares. Then the police got ugly, people got pissed, and now it’s about a whole lot of shit that’s been building for many years.

17 calochortus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:36:24pm

re: #13 GeneJockey

Generally their level of humor on this topic is limited to ‘Shoulda kept her legs closed, huh?”

Hence the need to up their game a bit.

18 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:36:37pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Seriously, it started over increased bus fares. Then the police got ugly, people got pissed, and now it’s about a whole lot of shit that’s been building for many years.

Oh. One of THOSE protests. This could get interesting.

19 Stanghazi  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:37:54pm

Grumpy cat better firm up her copyright.

20 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:38:37pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Hey! That just happened in Turkey!

21 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:38:41pm

Yeah, lets force women into desperate situations by failing to provide them proper sex education or birth control, then find the comedy in the situation.

Shit for brains.

22 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:39:11pm

re: #20 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey! That just happened in Turkey!

Indeed.

23 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:40:07pm

re: #14 calochortus

Bus fare increases IIRC.

My wife works for a company that does GPS-based tracking and scheduling systems for public transit.

One of their biggest accounts? Rio.

24 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:40:12pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Whaddaya got?

“Wild One” upding.

25 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:40:21pm

People are waking up to the fact that the same governments which can’t find the money for proper schools, healthcare or infrastructure can suddenly find the money to keep corporate sponsors happy.

26 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:40:47pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Seriously, it started over increased bus fares. Then the police got ugly, people got pissed, and now it’s about a whole lot of shit that’s been building for many years.

Looks like a brutal prison state to me.

27 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:42:14pm

re: #17 calochortus

Hence the need to up their game a bit.

Yeah. Good luck with that. They’re looking to make sophisticated humor in an area where what they most lack is any sophistication. These are the same folks who thought Rush Limbaugh nailed it on the Sandra Fluke/contraception issue, and who think nothing of sticking an ultrasound wand up any woman who asks for a completely legal procedure.

Humor of the sort they wish to deploy requires at least a modicum of self awareness. They don’t got none.

28 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:42:42pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Looks like a brutal prison state to me.

Rio’s a very interesting place - I spent about a week there once, on tour. Did the first Rock in Rio festival with Al Jarreau - 250,000+ people.

The favelas are pretty mind-blowing the first time you see them.

29 erik_t  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:43:03pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Looks like a brutal prison state to me.

Comment of the week.

I don’t care if it’s only Monday.

30 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:43:48pm

re: #29 erik_t

Comment of the week.

I don’t care if it’s only Monday.

Well, shit. We might as well all go home then.
//

31 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:43:57pm

re: #20 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey! That just happened in Turkey!

Have you read about Standing Man? They’ve been talking about him all day here. Unfortunately, they insist on speaking Turkish. (I think it’s a UK Turkish station.)

32 calochortus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:44:25pm

re: #27 GeneJockey

It’s also hard to make the idea of woman-as-incubator amusing. Even to people who oppose abortion.

33 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:44:31pm

re: #21 Kragar

Yeah, lets force women into desperate situations by failing to provide them proper sex education or birth control, then find the comedy in the situation.

Shit for brains.

Come on, conservatives are excellent at comedy. Give it a chance!

34 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:45:10pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Come on, conservatives are excellent at comedy. Give it a chance!

Only if they’re the butt of all the jokes.

35 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:45:43pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Rio’s a very interesting place - I spent about a week there once, on tour. Did the first Rock in Rio festival with Al Jarreau - 250,000+ people.

The favelas are pretty mind-blowing the first time you see them.

Only know them from the press, and Black Orpheus.

Youtube Video

36 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:46:55pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

I think Erdogan didn’t know what he was dealing with. Neither does the President of Brazil.

37 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:47:17pm

Metal wins threw again.

Preteen metal band out of Brooklyn rocking out in Times Square

Youtube Video

38 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:47:23pm

People love sports. Brazilians love soccer football. But when they see the government spending tons on football stadiums and cleanup projects to hide the favelas and then push fare hikes, people are going to question the priorities of the government.

Protests can and will morph into something different as people see others airing their grievances. Add the element of police brutality and they can quickly spiral into something beyond what anyone thought would happen.

39 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:47:44pm

Check these pictures of the favelas:

google.com

40 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:48:58pm

re: #36 ProTARDISLiberal

I think Erdogan didn’t know what he was dealing with. Neither does the President of Brazil.

‘Leaders’ like that are always surprised. They are out of touch, exactly the way Romney was and is.

41 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:49:26pm
42 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:49:50pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

‘Leaders’ like that are always surprised. They are out of touch, exactly the way Romney was and is.

“They’re supposed to love soccer. We gave them soccer. What are they bitching about?”

43 calochortus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:51:01pm

re: #42 Kragar

“They’re supposed to love soccer. We gave them soccer. What are they bitching about?”

If they don’t want to pay that much for the bus, why don’t they just drive?
//

44 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:51:21pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

The favela just outside Rio de Janeiro.

There’s an app for that:

habitat.org

45 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:51:51pm

We actually flew over that favela in a helicopter, on the way to the stage at Rock in Rio. It was impossible to get in any other way.

46 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:51:54pm

re: #42 Kragar

Let them eat soccer balls. /

47 dragonath  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:53:02pm

I know it’s not very sporting of me, but it’s high time that the IOC considers what a cost these games are to society and adjusts accordingly.

It took almost 40 years for Montreal to pay off Olympic Stadium.

48 Gus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:53:13pm

One of my cousins lived in Rio for a while. She had a body guard whenever she went out. Dangerous place. Another cousin in Argentina who went to Brazil for work and I forgot what happened but her husband died during that time so she went back to Argentina.

49 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:53:27pm

Just wait till they add the rape humor to the abortion humor. Don’t get me started on gay marriage.

50 Stanghazi  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:54:00pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

Have you read about Standing Man? They’ve been talking about him all day here. Unfortunately, they insist on speaking Turkish. (I think it’s a UK Turkish station.)

Andy Carvin is on it.

51 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:54:13pm

Hey, did you hear the one about the teenager who was so lonely she had sex with a guy just to feel a little better about herself?

Wait! It gets funnier!

We passed a law defunding Planned Parenthood, so she couldn’t get any contraception, and she got pregnant!

Wait! It gets funnier!

Because we defunded Planned Parenthood, she couldn’t get either an abortion OR any ‘Well Pregnancy’ visits, and she got so depressed she turned to drugs!

Wait! It gets funnier!

She ended up having the baby prematurely, it’s gonna cost zillions in medical bills, and probably require lots of expensive care for years. Not only that, but the teenager had to drop out of school, her parents kicked her out, and now the only way she can get any money to feed herself and her kid is by prostitution!

Isn’t that hysterical?!?!?

52 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:54:30pm

re: #47 dragonath

I know it’s not very sporting of me, but it’s high time that the IOC considers what a cost these games are to society and adjusts accordingly.

It took almost 40 years for Montreal to pay off Olympic Stadium.

Stadiums are money sinks that get foisted onto local governments because sponsors know they would lose money on them.

53 erik_t  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:54:36pm

re: #47 dragonath

I know it’s not very sporting of me, but it’s high time that the IOC considers what a cost these games are to society and adjusts accordingly.

It took almost 40 years for Montreal to pay off Olympic Stadium.

This isn’t the IOC. This is FIFA, which is approximately a gorillion times more corrupt.

Remember the outrage when the Summer Olympics were going to be held in a place as hot and muggy as Atlanta? The 2022 World Cup is going to be held in fucking Qatar.

54 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:54:48pm

re: #48 Gus

Carioca Fletch is probably the best in the series, set in Rio.

Edit: Interesting, looks like a lot of people hate it and think it’s the weakest in the series. I don’t think those people have been to Rio.

55 calochortus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 5:57:51pm

Dinner calls. BBL

56 Kid A  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:01:16pm

I see the Republican rebranding effort…wait, what rebranding effort were they hyperventilating about?

57 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:01:55pm
58 Gus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:01:57pm

re: #54 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Carioca Fletch is probably the best in the series, set in Rio.

Never been down there. My great-great-grandmother was from Brazil.

59 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:03:02pm

Abortion cartoon.
Abortion cartoon.
Abortion cartoon.

You can Google a whole bunch of these. I haven’t found any that are funny.

60 erik_t  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:03:23pm

re: #53 erik_t

The 2022 World Cup is going to be held in fucking Qatar.

Note that one of the gentleman’s-agreement perks of hosting a World Cup is that the hosting nation automatically qualifies. Meanwhile, the Qatari national team is so inept they have never, in history, qualified for a World Cup.

Seems legit.

61 dragonath  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:04:40pm

re: #53 erik_t

Yeah, but will they have pickup trucks and marching bands?

62 Kid A  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:05:58pm

Meanwhile…

63 Joanne  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:07:13pm

re: #51 GeneJockey

Nailed it!

I laughed for, like, ever! Soooo funny!

Fucking conservatives.

64 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:07:35pm

re: #62 Kid A

Meanwhile…

Pete is scared jack booted thugs are going to march into his bedroom and force him to marry another man.

He thinks about it constantly.

65 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:07:37pm

re: #51 GeneJockey

You win an Internet. How would you like that delivered?

66 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:08:26pm

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

Abortion cartoon.
Abortion cartoon.
Abortion cartoon.

You can Google a whole bunch of these. I haven’t found any that are funny.

and you never will.

67 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:09:36pm

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

They always show pro-choice people contrasted with obviously pregnant women.

When I worked as a clinic escort at the abortion clinic in San Francisco where we had the crazy reject-Vatican-II asshole protesters, I saw exactly 0 obviously pregnant women come in for an abortion. Zero. Two years of once a week volunteering, and zero women that I would have looked at and thought were pregnant.

68 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:12:04pm

Just going to make a statement of fact:

The Mike Nelson/Forrester and TV’s Frank years were the best years of MST3k.

69 Kid A  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:13:08pm

Hey guys! Did you hear the one about these poor women in Pennsylvania that got pregnant but couldn’t afford an abortion so they went to this really swell guy named Kermit instead??!!

Individual freedom, my ass.

70 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:13:20pm

DERP

71 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:13:32pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

You win an Internet. How would you like that delivered?

Plain brown wrapper. Don’t want the kiddies to see it.

72 JamesWI  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:13:59pm

And reading the whole story, the girl who thinks making abortion “funny” is the way to turn people against it also thinks that the failures of the Republican Party lately are all due to the fact that they have been trying too hard to appeal to the moderates of the country.

Ah, good ol’ Republicans. They never learn.

73 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:14:10pm

re: #52 Kragar

Stadiums are money sinks that get foisted onto local governments because sponsors know they would lose money on them.

The Montreal Alouettes don’t even play at Olympic Stadium.

74 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:14:58pm

re: #68 Kragar

But Manos and Santa Claus Conquers the Martains.

75 Gus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:15:58pm

re: #70 Vicious Babushka

DERP

It’s from an article in Forbes written by an author who is also a fellow with the Manhattan Institute so it must be true.

76 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:16:13pm

As I said on another thread, the Republicans have a serious RINO problem (Rebranding in Name Only).

77 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:16:14pm
78 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:16:31pm

re: #74 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

But Manos and Santa Claus Conquers the Martains.

Doesn’t one of those have at least on ‘Jam Handy’ motivational film for car dealers? I love that one!

79 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:17:51pm

re: #56 Kid A

I see the Republican rebranding effort…wait, what rebranding effort were they hyperventilating about?

RE-branding, hell! The original branding almost killed the cattle!

80 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:17:54pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

The entire Obama campaign and following administration has been one giant confirmation bias-gasm for the kook right.

81 dragonath  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:18:46pm

re: #78 GeneJockey

Doesn’t one of those have at least on ‘Jam Handy’ motivational film for car dealers? I love that one!

I HOPE I NEVER SEE ANOTHER SPRING AS LONG AS I LIVE

82 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:20:05pm

re: #74 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

But Manos and Santa Claus Conquers the Martains.

Exceptions which prove the rule.

83 GeneJockey  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:21:29pm

re: #62 Kid A

Meanwhile…

I don’t think Pete LaBarbera needs to worry about anyone imposing ‘homosexualism’ on him.

84 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:21:58pm

re: #78 GeneJockey

Doesn’t one of those have at least on ‘Jam Handy’ motivational film for car dealers? I love that one!

Manos had part of “HIRED!”

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

85 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:22:29pm

re: #81 dragonath

I HOPE I NEVER SEE ANOTHER SPRING AS LONG AS I LIVE

Spring Fever

Youtube Video

86 Kid A  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:22:55pm

Bam!

But the activists at Ralph Reed’s confab said absolutely not. “You’ve got to be pro-life, you’ve got be pro-marriage, or else you’re not going to get our money,” Hawkins said firmly.

And there you have it. Money.

87 Joanne  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:23:59pm

re: #86 Kid A

Bam!

And there you have it. Money.

Always.

88 EPR-radar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:25:33pm

Republican rebranding:

Would you like that turd: a) polished or b) rolled in brightly colored sprinkles?

89 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:26:22pm

Mother, Father, Brother, Sister
It’s the Berenstain Bears as humans!
Youtube Video

90 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:28:01pm

MST3K - Progress Island U.S.A.

Youtube Video

91 Kid A  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:31:17pm


And?

92 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:32:47pm

New conspiracy theory emerging: Snowden’s comment about “petting a phoenix” was a secret message.

93 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:35:02pm
94 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:35:12pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

New conspiracy theory emerging: Snowden’s comment about “petting a phoenix” was a secret message.

This calls for a Photoshop spoof.

95 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:35:51pm
96 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:36:49pm

Conservatives really don’t get it. They look at younger people who by and large disagree with them and naturally think the disagreement must therefore be a matter of style over substance. It doesn’t even occur to them how incredibly disrespectful it is to assume that the last three or so generations care more about snark and clever, sarcastic one liners than they do about the actual crux of any particular issue. You can’t win younger voters over by acting like even bigger dicks and trying to ramp up reverse psychology through stylistic insincerity, because that’s just an affectation. The fact that they see through it is the entire point, more than any generation before them they’re actually arguing on the basis of merits, on fundamental rights and wrongs.

Travis Korson, the grass-roots director of the Virginia chapter, suggested framing marriage as an economic issue. “Gay marriage undermines that basic family unit,” he said, and that, in turn, hurts the economy.

The first thing the GOP needs to do is stop lying, to others and themselves. In the real world when you frame marriage equality in the above terms the immediate followup question from younger people is HOW?! And guess what, you can’t answer how. The Prop 8 and DOMA case defenders weren’t able to articulate any kind of persuasive answer because there is no answer. It’s all a lie rooted in unthinking dogmatic bigotry, and no amount of snark or clever disaffected bullshit can make that convincing anymore. Sorry GOP, your ideology has exceeded its sell-by date.

97 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:37:38pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

New conspiracy theory emerging: Snowden’s comment about “petting a phoenix” was a secret message.

Sounds like a bad pick up line. Hey baby, wanna pet my pheonix?

98 dragonath  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:37:40pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

New conspiracy theory emerging: Snowden’s comment about “petting a phoenix” was a secret message.

It’s probably just a euphemism for jerking off.

99 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:38:45pm

re: #97 Amory Blaine

Sounds like a bad pick up line. Hey baby, wanna pet my pheonix?

So, THAT’S what they’re calling it these days.///

100 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:40:52pm

re: #99 thedopefishlives

I’d be concerned with all the burning however.

101 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:41:32pm

re: #91 Kid A

And?

The article uses the figure of 54% not wanting Obamacare. What they don’t say is of that 54%, 25% feel it doesn’t go far enough.

102 darthstar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:42:13pm

Hell no I’m not letting this go.

103 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:42:28pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

I’ve been trying to think about how I escaped being influenced by my parents’ and peers’ homophobia, and I think it came from having out gay bosses and coworkers as a kid and young man. A gay cook at the pizza restaurant I busboyed at, a gay manager at the restaurant I waitered at, a gay guy as a coworker at my transcriptionist. They weren’t perfect, but they were all good guys and I worked well with them and that mundanity, of showing up and putting in the hours together, breeds a familiarization that can’t be escaped.

Those gay men and women who had the courage to come out back when it was much worse in every way, they are the ones who broke down the walls more than anything else, I think, just by being proudly themselves.

104 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:44:27pm
105 darthstar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:46:02pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Alex Wagner is hosting Lawrence’s show tonight. It’ll be interesting to see if she covers it. She’s one of the few people there smart enough to see through the crap, I feel.

106 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:50:56pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

The favela just outside Rio de Janeiro.

It reminds me of Paris before Haussman changed the city into the form it is now. Many riots started in it and Paris was such a maze that putting them down was hard.

All the poor people were evicted to the north east of Paris, where the lake of sewage was. Those nice straight avenues were perfect for cavalry charges and cannon volleys, so any riots that started could put down quick and hard.

For some odd reason the people evicted voted Communist for the next century or more.

107 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:52:42pm

re: #101 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

The article uses the figure of 54% not wanting Obamacare. What they don’t say is of that 54%, 25% feel it doesn’t go far enough.

Statistics, Damn Statistics, and Lies!

Evening, all. Back from running a classical music festival. Orchestra boot camp. Seventeen concerts in 14 days, including Brahms 4, Beethoven 4, Scheherazade, and the Grieg piano concerto #1.

Pretty awesome stuff.

108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:53:37pm

Holy shit.

jezebel.com

Charles Saatchi choked his wife, Nigella Lawson, got caught on camera, and defended it using creepy obvious-abuser language.

About a week ago, we were sitting outside a restaurant having an intense debate about the children, and I held Nigella’s neck repeatedly while attempting to emphasise my point.

There was no grip, it was a playful tiff. The pictures are horrific but give a far more drastic and violent impression of what took place. Nigella’s tears were because we both hate arguing, not because she had been hurt.

Speaking of people who don’t understand it’s not the way they’re delivering the message, it’s what they’re actually saying. There’s no way to pretty up “yeah, I was choking my wife during an argument. We do that and I clearly think it’s no problem. But let me say that it was ‘playful’ and then that makes it okay, right?”

109 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:58:40pm

re: #108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Holy shit.

jezebel.com

Charles Saatchi choked his wife, Nigella Lawson, got caught on camera, and defended it using creepy obvious-abuser language.

Speaking of people who don’t understand it’s not the way they’re delivering the message, it’s what they’re actually saying. There’s no way to pretty up “yeah, I was choking my wife during an argument. We do that and I clearly think it’s no problem. But let me say that it was ‘playful’ and then that makes it okay, right?”

Meanwhile, Nigella and her kids have left the marital home. Hopefully,never to return.

110 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 6:59:02pm

Socialist useful idiots sue Islamists over unpaid bills for anti-American propaganda
‘Occupy Wall Street’ Filmmakers Claim Iran’s TV Authorities Stiffed Them
Good luck with that. I’m pretty sure doing business, much less producing propaganda films, for the Iranian government has been illegal for quite some time.

111 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:00:50pm

re: #108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Holy shit.

jezebel.com

Charles Saatchi choked his wife, Nigella Lawson, got caught on camera, and defended it using creepy obvious-abuser language.

Speaking of people who don’t understand it’s not the way they’re delivering the message, it’s what they’re actually saying. There’s no way to pretty up “yeah, I was choking my wife during an argument. We do that and I clearly think it’s no problem. But let me say that it was ‘playful’ and then that makes it okay, right?”

It’s a “playful tiff” when he’s choking her, but mutual “hate arguing” when it explains her tears.

DARVO

112 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:03:53pm

Study finds young Republicans are more liberal than they think

Public polls and voter registrations may be underestimating the number of liberals and independents in the United States. Young conservatives believe they are more conservative than they actually are, according to a study published June 13 in Social Psychological and Personality Science.

Ethan Zell of the University of North Carolina and Michael J. Bernstein of Pennsylvania State University, the authors of the study, said conservatives could be more prone to biased self-perceptions because they tend to exhibit higher levels of in-group loyalty.

“Conservatives value group loyalty more than liberals,” Zell told PsyPost. “We assumed that this desire for loyalty might lead conservatives to see themselves as more representative members of the Republican Party than would be reflected by their attitudes on specific issues. Thus, conservative young adults might want to see themselves as typical or true Republicans, when their attitudes suggest that they are really only slightly conservative or even independent.”

The three-part study, which included 713 participants, compared young Americans’ self-reported political orientation to a 12-item objective measure of political orientation. The political orientation test was developed by the Pew Research Center and can be taken at PBS.org.

113 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:08:35pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

Socialist useful idiots sue Islamists over unpaid bills for anti-American propaganda
‘Occupy Wall Street’ Filmmakers Claim Iran’s TV Authorities Stiffed Them
Good luck with that. I’m pretty sure doing business, much less producing propaganda films, for the Iranian government has been illegal for quite some time.

First off, Occupy wasn’t anti-American, unless you consider the Right of Assembly anti-American.

Second, producing images is legal. Facts are facts, however inconvenient for the powers that be, or their adversaries.That isn’t propaganda if it is not manipulated.

Lastly, anyone who enters into a Binding Contract with any entity in Iran and expects to be paid is a fool.

114 Mattand  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:11:09pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

I confess, as an otherwise-fan of MSNBC, I’ve avoided turning it on today because they’ve been so incredibly off-base on the NSA story.

I only follow Maddow via podcast. I get the impression that she really wants Snowden to be this generation’s Daniel Ellsberg, but I think deep down she knows he full of shit.

Unlike Chris Hayes, apparently. Didn’t he call Snowden a hero?

115 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:17:40pm

re: #113 austin_blue

First off, Occupy wasn’t anti-American, unless you consider the Right of Assembly anti-American.

Second, producing images is legal. Facts are facts, however inconvenient for the powers that be, or their adversaries.That isn’t propaganda if it is not manipulated.

Lastly, anyone who enters into a Binding Contract with any entity in Iran and expects to be paid is a fool.

I suspect that if Russia Today was funding Tea Party documentaries you might feel different.

116 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:20:18pm

Coming to a theater near you: Chinese funded documentary about how awesome Snowden is.

117 Gus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:20:46pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Coming to a theater near you: Chinese funded documentary about how awesome Snowden is.

Edward Snowdenhands!

118 calochortus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:21:04pm

Aaand I’m back. Entirely off topic, but our little tiny pond is now turning out little tiny frogs. I’m sure various interested predators will get some of them, but there are a lot of tadpoles and they are graduating to froghood on a slow but continuous basis so I’m sure some will make it.
The rabbit fencing we put around the pond was apparently enough to deter the racoons from scarfing up all the tadpoles like they did last year.

119 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:21:31pm
120 Kragar  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:21:32pm

re: #117 Gus

Edward Snowdenhands!

The Talented Mr. Snowden

121 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:22:02pm

re: #114 Mattand

Unlike Chris Hayes, apparently. Didn’t he call Snowden a hero?

I don’t think so, feel free to link to it. I know Judge Andrew Napolitano called Snowden a hero. Despite erroneous reports Hayes also never actually compared Snowden to MLK, he compared the NSA data gathering to the kinds of surveillance the FBI conducted against King, which is a controversial enough statement. There’s plenty to object to in Hayes reporting, I just wish people would argue against what actually been said instead of throwing out unsupported rumors.

122 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:22:58pm

re: #114 Mattand

Rachel Maddow’s been staying out of it pretty much, I think, but I haven’t watched enough to be sure.

Meanwhile I’ll be here, trying to dig through the bullshit.

123 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:23:14pm

Frosty the Snowden

124 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:24:09pm

re: #120 Kragar

The Talented Mr. Snowden

Foulglen and the Snowden

125 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:24:37pm

re: #112 Kragar

Study finds young Republicans are more liberal than they think

The three-part study, which included 713 participants, compared young Americans’ self-reported political orientation to a 12-item objective measure of political orientation. The political orientation test was developed by the Pew Research Center and can be taken at PBS.org.

I’m about a cm from the left end on that test, a rather short test if you ask me. The test is more of a broad guesstimate than a deep analysis of political position.

126 engineer cat  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:24:59pm

re: #112 Kragar

Study finds young Republicans are more liberal than they think

i’m sure many many people call themselves “conservative” because they believe the lies told to them about how “liberals” are all members of the revolutionary socialist party who eat arugula and brie for dinner and listen to whale song albums before having weird sex

i mean, i’ve had people sigh in relief because even though i live in california i will actually order steak. there! i can’t be as “liberal” as i claim if i’ll eat steak…

127 Gus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:25:33pm

On Snowden Pond

128 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:25:43pm

re: #1 GeneJockey

Two fetuses walk into a bar….

Actually, that’s hilarious! Send it to Reince immediately!

129 calochortus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:26:26pm

re: #126 engineer cat

Kinda like the women who won’t call themselves feminists even though they believe in equality.

130 calochortus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:27:35pm

re: #126 engineer cat

i’m sure many many people call themselves “conservative” because they believe the lies told to them about how “liberals” are all members of the revolutionary socialist party who eat arugula and brie for dinner and listen to whale song albums before having weird sex

i mean, i’ve had people sigh in relief because even though i live in california i will actually order steak. there! i can’t be as “liberal” as i claim if i’ll eat steak…

But did the steer the steak came from listen to whale songs?

131 Gus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:27:36pm
132 Spocomptonite  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:27:50pm

re: #120 Kragar

The Talented Mr. Snowden

Mr. Snowden’s Opus.

Snowden Falling on Cedars?

There’s a Snow White joke in here, but who would the seven dwarfs be?

133 Gus  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:29:07pm

re: #131 Gus

Not sure if this is accurate.

134 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:30:04pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

I suspect that if Russia Today was funding Tea Party documentaries you might feel different.

Not at all. And what has Russia got to do with it? “Squirrel!” isn’t a meaningful response.

135 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:30:31pm

re: #133 Gus

Not sure if this is accurate.

I don’t think accuracy makes any difference anymore.

136 engineer cat  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:32:06pm

Masturbating Fetuses

their last album was too loud for me

137 jaunte  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:33:07pm

re: #127 Gus

In Big Trouble in Little China

138 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:34:40pm

re: #126 engineer cat

i’m sure many many people call themselves “conservative” because they believe the lies told to them about how “liberals” are all members of the revolutionary socialist party who eat arugula and brie for dinner and listen to whale song albums before having weird sex

i mean, i’ve had people sigh in relief because even though i live in california i will actually order steak. there! i can’t be as “liberal” as i claim if i’ll eat steak…

This happens to me a lot in KY. Even my smart and educated neighbors are so unused to being around liberals that they have this hackneyed image of them that’s straight out of the FOX/NR playbook.

Weirdest food-politics intersection I find: I’ve learned to cook tofu as part of trying to broaden my repetoire of Chinese food. But tofu=vegetarian=hippy liberal where I live, so I get weird, mocking statements from complete strangers…on the basis of tofu (which I will them go home a top with meat more often than not, because MaPo Tofu is just…mmmmm).

139 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:37:33pm

re: #137 jaunte

In Big Trouble in Little China

Yeah, with America in the Kurt Russell role.


Which is fair, since Russell’s character was intended as a stand in for the USA in a number of ways.

140 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 7:44:36pm

re: #131 Gus

I saw that and thought it was an Onion piece. But noooooes! He went there!

Who knew that little male fetuses were spunking in mama’s uterus? If they were doing so for 24 weeks in situ, wouldn’t someone have noticed that when mama’s water broke, it contained nothing but semen? After all, when a boy discovers his penis, it’s Katy bar the door to get him to stop.

Hooray for Rep. Michael Burgess (R-Mars)!

141 stabby  Mon, Jun 17, 2013 8:13:37pm

Mocking women who have abortions would be the ugliest, dumbest thing they could possibly do.


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