US Lawmakers Seek Deep Cuts to NASA Climate Research

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It’s not enough for them to fund and support a massive public relations campaign to convince the American people to look the other way, as the effects of climate change become increasingly obvious.

Now the Republican Party wants to destroy the scientific agency that studies the causes of climate change for clues on how to stop the onrushing train: US Lawmakers Seek Deep Cuts to NASA Climate Research.

Republicans in the US House of Representatives want NASA out of the climate-change business.

A bill floated by leaders of the House Science Committee seeks to restore “proper balance to NASA’s science portfolio” by slashing roughly US$500 million from the agency’s Earth science division, which received $1.785 billion this year. The move is part of a broader push by Republicans to replenish NASA’s planetary science division, which has seen drastic cuts in recent years.

But the severity of the Earth science cuts even shocked Steven Squyres, a planetary scientist at Cornell University in New York, who led the planetary community’s 2011 decadal survey. He told lawmakers today that the proposed cut to Earth science research is “alarmingly deep”.

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333 comments
1 darthstar  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:45:24pm

Rick Perry: “Freedom of religion does not include sahara law”

/yes, it’s satire…but for fuck’s sake it’s believable when you consider it’s about Perry…to the last line.

“It’s a shame that a bill like this one I’m signing today is even required, but I’m proud that we’re standing up for religious freedom in this state,” Perry said at the signing ceremony. “Religious freedom does not mean freedom from religion. Except the bad ones that have that evolution or sahara law and stuff. Those are crazy!”

The American Civil Liberties Union of Texas made a brief statement stating, “What the fuck?”

2 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:47:08pm

You know, as opposed to just giving up on the whole “Starve The Beast” fantasy and increasing NASA’s budget to cover the cuts they wish to “reverse.”

3 darthstar  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:50:14pm

Back on topic for a second (I didn’t play in the open thread, obviously)…on Maddow’s show tonight she said that TransCanada (the corporation wanting the KeystoneXL pipeline to pump poison through the heartland, and not a sexual sub-culture, though it would be a good name for one when you think about it…what else are Canadian transgender people going to call themselves? In-n-OutUits?) isn’t planning on using state of the art spill detection, as it wouldn’t be economically feasible…(sorry about the previous parenthetical…I seem to have digressed somewhat, but that happens sometimes when one is rambling on about a subject, even in the early stages of addressing it…for further examples, please see any prepared remarks as presented by Sarah Palin).

Can you believe that shit? Fuckin’ oil companies.

4 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:52:17pm
5 darthstar  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:52:20pm

Ping-pong diplomacy. That’s my fuckin’ governor right there…playing ping pong with Madam Li Xiaolin, President of the Chinese People’s Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries. God I love Jerry Brown.

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6 jaunte  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:52:42pm
The bill would allow NASA to continue developing satellites and sensors for other government agencies — including the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the Department of the Interior — as long as those agencies pay for the work. But it would block a White House plan to give NASA the responsibility of developing three climate sensors for the NOAA Joint Polar Satellite System, a new series of climate and weather probes.

We’ll pay only for the science we want to hear about!

7 Gus  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:54:41pm
8 darthstar  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:56:30pm

Rest in peace, you beautiful fucking human being.

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9 Kragar  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 8:58:20pm

re: #7 Gus

Youtube Video

10 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:00:24pm

re: #5 darthstar

Ping-pong diplomacy. That’s my fuckin’ governor right there…playing ping pong with Madam Li Xiaolin, President of the Chinese People’s Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries. God I love Jerry Brown.

That’s one hell of an Orwellian Title. Especially with the way the PRC bullies people nowadays (Hi Vietnam, India, the Philippines, and Japan)..

11 darthstar  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:00:29pm
12 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:01:21pm

And now, the Michael Hastings Truthers:

13 darthstar  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:03:07pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

And now, the Michael Hastings Truthers:

Taking the advice of John Oliver re: Sarah Palin, I’m just going to ignore those fuckers.

14 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:03:46pm

Can we just go ahead and call it the House Anti-science Committee?

15 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:03:59pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

And now, the Michael Hastings Truthers:

Youtube Video

16 Lidane  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:07:38pm

NASA gets less than half a penny of every federal dollar and they’re cutting the budget even more?

Fucking MORONS. We need to increase NASA’s funding, not decrease it.

17 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:10:08pm

re: #16 Lidane

I see a few juicy targets to give NASA money from. How about the hopelessly boondoggled F-35, or at least a few of its variants.

18 makeitstop  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:11:30pm
He told lawmakers today that the deep cuts to Earth science were “alarmingly deep derp.”

Closer to it.

19 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:12:58pm

re: #17 ProTARDISLiberal

I see a few juicy targets to give NASA money from. How about the hopelessly boondoggled F-35, or at least a few of its variants.

Unlikely, given that the F-35 is starting to move into the clear. It passed its first AMRAAM test this month and hopefully will be ready to drop bombs on bad guys by the end of the year. I’d like the F-35 to have a field test in Afghanistan while we’ve got the chance. Nothing like using a combat system to kill the enemy to win it support.

20 Lidane  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:17:41pm

re: #17 ProTARDISLiberal

I see a few juicy targets to give NASA money from.

So do I. Farm subsidies, for starters. Oil subsidies too. Corporate welfare as well.

Also, if Congress actually bothered to listen to the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs and get rid of the programs that even the military says are useless, NASA’s funding could easily rise to the level of a penny of every federal dollar. That would double their funding and increase its scientific potential by a huge margin.

21 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:17:52pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Unlikely, given that the F-35 is starting to move into the clear. It passed its first AMRAAM test this month and hopefully will be ready to drop bombs on bad guys by the end of the year. I’d like the F-35 to have a field test in Afghanistan while we’ve got the chance. Nothing like using a combat system to kill the enemy to win it support.

Yeah, how appropriate, providing the troops a live demonstration of weapons system’s that their grandkids will be paying for.

22 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:20:31pm

Seems in a few million years New York and England are going to be neighbors, again.

23 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:22:06pm

re: #1 darthstar

Rick Perry: “Freedom of religion does not include sahara law”

/yes, it’s satire…but for fuck’s sake it’s believable when you consider it’s about Perry…to the last line.

Ahm aginst that sahara laws two!

What does the guy from Texas, land of desert, have against deserts?

24 aagcobb  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:22:27pm

If you think the wingnuts don’t like climate change science now, just wait for their howls of outrage when the President institutes new regulatory controls on coal-fired power plant emissions.

25 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:25:36pm

re: #16 Lidane

NASA gets less than half a penny of every federal dollar and they’re cutting the budget even more?

Fucking MORONS. We need to increase NASA’s funding, not decrease it.

I think Congress considers the NASA budget as low hanging fruit.
They having been cutting the budget for years now.
America has elected people that lack vision and who turn away from the sciences. It does so at Her own peril.
It won’t always be this way

26 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:25:44pm
Facing a tight withdrawal deadline and tough terrain, the U.S. military has destroyed more than 170 million pounds worth of vehicles and other military equipment as it rushes to wind down its role in the Afghanistan war by the end of 2014.

The massive disposal effort, which U.S. military officials call unprecedented, has unfolded largely out of sight amid an ongoing debate inside the Pentagon about what to do with the heaps of equipment that won’t be returning home. Military planners have determined that they will not ship back more than $7 billion worth of equipment — about 20 percent of what the U.S. military has in Afghanistan — because it is no longer needed or would be too costly to ship back home.

Just in case you forgot how expensive military occupations are, the value of that abandoned and trashed equipment would make up 14 years worth of what the GOP wants to slash from NASA climate funding.

27 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:31:08pm

Mohorovicic discontinuity

ya that’s about the way i feel

28 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:33:26pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Just in case you forgot how expensive military occupations are, the value of that abandoned and trashed equipment would make up 14 years worth of what the GOP wants to slash from NASA climate funding.

Afghanistan isn’t Iraq: It just doesn’t have the tech base for all that gear, nor could it afford such a tech base. Giving that stuff to Pakistan would be dumb and no one else will want the hassle of shipping it out through Russia.*

*: The MRAPs that we’re keeping will mostly leave Afghanistan by rail from Mazar-e-Shareif and will go through the Russian railroad network to Riga in Latvia.

29 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:35:05pm

re: #27 engineer cat

Mohorovicic discontinuity

ya that’s about the way i feel

Moho

YEAH!

“I’m feeling the Moho, dude”

“No worries, I have your Moho”

Nun of that Muuhuu stuff is gonna happ’n ‘rnd here!

30 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:35:09pm

Personally, I’d order the F-35 program scrapped, any airframes already off the assembly line converted into flying testbeds, and new competitions announced for F-16 and early-model F-18 replacements. Emphasis would be put on designs either already in service or soon to be, foreign competitors will be welcomed, and US manufacturers will not receive special treatment. The Rafale would work for the F-18, while the Gripen would work nice for the F-16.

31 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:36:37pm

Why aren’t these animals extinct?

They have one food source and cannot reproduce to save their numbers.

32 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:39:18pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

Personally, I’d order the F-35 program scrapped, any airframes already off the assembly line converted into flying testbeds, and new competitions announced for F-16 and early-model F-18 replacements. Emphasis would be put on designs either already in service or soon to be, foreign competitors will be welcomed, and US manufacturers will not receive special treatment. The Rafale would work for the F-18, while the Gripen would work nice for the F-16.

Not going to happen. No Congress would allow it, since would be damaging to the aerospace industry’s RD and would amount to a national humiliation. Especially after the program is finally showing results.

33 aagcobb  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:41:01pm

re: #31 FemNaziBitch

Why aren’t these animals extinct?

They have one food source and cannot reproduce to save their numbers.

But they are just so darned cute!

34 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:43:21pm

re: #31 FemNaziBitch

They are considered, and treated as a National Treasure in China.

35 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:44:02pm
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- See more at: northwestern.edu

Very cool, and quite simple. IMHO.

36 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:45:48pm

3rd pic down.

Mom, what big teeth you have.

37 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:46:20pm

re: #31 FemNaziBitch

Why aren’t these animals extinct?

They have one food source and cannot reproduce to save their numbers.

They are a prestige animal for China, so much so that China has even put the Giant Panda on a gold coin:

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GOOOLLD!

38 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:47:45pm

re: #36 FemNaziBitch

3rd pic down.

Mom, what big teeth you have.

Cute, but he’ll grow up to be a man-eater.

39 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:47:47pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

Not going to happen. No Congress would allow it, since would be damaging to the aerospace industry’s RD and would amount to a national humiliation. Especially after the program is finally showing results.

Which speaks to Congress’ priorities, the sad state of aerospace industry in this nation, and how much pride we put in war toys over scientific achievement. The program’s a wash and it should have been canceled years ago, before it went billions overbudget. We’re buying fewer fighters for a higher cost with each passing year.

40 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:50:13pm

Youtube Video

Kitteh!

41 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:53:52pm

Puppies and Kitteh

Youtube Video

42 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:56:49pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Cute, but he’ll grow up to be a man-eater.

Only if Man doesn’t behave.

43 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:57:33pm

re: #41 FemNaziBitch

Puppies and Kitteh

Funny how the wolf-dog humps the tiger at one point.

44 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:57:39pm

bbl

45 sauceruney  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 9:59:15pm

Jesus is coming. We don’t need satellites.

46 Cheechako  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 10:00:16pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

Which speaks to Congress’ priorities, the sad state of aerospace industry in this nation, and how much pride we put in war toys over scientific achievement. The program’s a wash and it should have been canceled years ago, before it went billions overbudget. We’re buying fewer fighters for a higher cost with each passing year.

On top of that what Admiral or General is going to send a F-35 into combat and risk getting it shot down or even slightly damaged. To repair a fuel line in the wings requires taking the sheet alloy skin off the airframe to fix. Down time will be days, not hours!!

47 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 10:01:10pm

Pitbull vs. Coyote:

Youtube Video

This dog was well trained enough to be able to be called off, which is a potential issue with terriers.

48 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 10:03:15pm

re: #46 Cheechako

Downside of stealth tech: seams in the airframe increase radar signature.

49 Kragar  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 10:12:03pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Downside of stealth tech: seams in the airframe increase radar signature.

“You want us to actually use this weapon? Do you know how much it costs?”
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50 Cheechako  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 10:19:10pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Downside of stealth tech: seams in the airframe increase radar signature.

This plane will never see combat. It will be used for 4th of July fly-bys over the Capitol and other events. I didn’t even mention that today’s 20 year old mechanics do not have the knowledge or skills to repair it. It’s just too damn technical. Also the aircraft has an on board self diagnostic system that keeps in constant contact with the manufactures factory that tells them when any little problem develops. Nice way for the Defense Contractor to keep billing the Government. Just wait until this system is hacked by an enemy or maybe a 12 year old in mom’s basement.

51 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 10:25:36pm

re: #49 Kragar

“You want us to actually use this weapon? Do you know how much it costs?”
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Yep. Don’t worry, though. We’ve got enough bombs I’ll just have the squadron near DC bomb a low-income area then we’ll save the money back in lower welfare costs.

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52 Kragar  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 10:56:37pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

Yep. Don’t worry, though. We’ve got enough bombs I’ll just have the squadron near DC bomb a low-income area then we’ll save the money back in lower welfare costs.

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What do we even need an Armed Services for? We’ve got the 2nd Amendment and the NRA?
//

53 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 11:07:28pm

I try to explain climate change in the most simple terms to my doubting friends, family and co-workers.

OK, you are taking something out of the ground like oil or coal or wood and then burning it. That uses oxygen from the atmosphere to make carbon dioxide and water vapor. The water vapor will eventually fall back to the earth as rain, but any carbon that ends up in the air increases the mass of the atmosphere which means it weighs more, so it will hold more heat in.

Also, a bit more carbon in the air wouldn’t be such a problem if we weren’t also deforesting the planet at the same time. That negates the built in correction factor from plant life eating the extra CO2.

And then I point out the Christian principal that you might as well have faith in God even if you are doubtful because the penalty for being wrong is not worth the risk. By that same logic, they might as well accept the science of climate change, because the penalty of being wrong is not worth the risk.

54 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 11:10:22pm

re: #53 Mich-again

You cannot get past the simpler “fact” that Climate Change is a “lie straight from the Pit of Hell”. That is an idea that is ingrained into their minds.

Those with a bit more savvy see it as part of UN plan to seize control of the world economy, etc…

Forget it and work around these people as best you can. that is the state of politics in America.

Call it Political Climate Change and start building the infrastructure to deal with it.

55 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 11:13:08pm

re: #54 Sol Berdinowitz

You cannot get past the simpler “fact” that Climate Change is a “lie straight from the Pit of Hell”. That is an idea that is ingrained into their minds.

Another one.. Everybody gets that running a car in a garage with the door closed will eventually make the air in the garage toxic.. Well, the atmosphere is really just a big garage.

56 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 11:16:39pm

re: #55 Mich-again

Another one.. Everybody gets that running a car in a garage with the door closed will eventually make the air in the garage toxic.. Well, the atmosphere is really just a big garage.

PIT OF HELL!!! *lalala* I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!

57 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 11:19:49pm

re: #54 Sol Berdinowitz

It is important to separate climate science from climate politics. Just because you do not agree with a politician’s proposal for how to reduce carbon emissions does not mean you should attack the science behind it all.

This is how the right wing f*s up on the topic of climate change. They see that carbon taxes are not going to fix the problem but instead of proposing better solutions, they take the lazy route and attack the science.

58 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 11:36:35pm

And again, they took a personal dislike for Al Gore because of his political history and conflated it with a burning hatred of climate change science and anyone/anything associated with it.

(I got my head chewed off for a similar statement earlier, but I still stand by it)

59 freetoken  Wed, Jun 19, 2013 11:36:57pm

MP3 Audio

60 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:11:17am

This is BullShit. How about the general question as to how the climate is facilitating massive storms and destruction. Hmmm?

61 simoom  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:24:28am

This whole Snowden/Greenwald affair has made Reddit completely lose its shit. At the moment, the top post on r/politics, with over 3K upvotes, is some 9/11 Truther’s blogpost about a secret treaty to sign away our nation’s sovereignty to corporations.

62 dragonath  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:34:28am

re: #3 darthstar

It’s even sadder when you find out that the $5 Million for the Arctic science station was held up and nearly cancelled in lieu of Harpers $12 Million PR budget for Keystone.

63 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 1:20:07am

How did this fall under the radar on Monday? The US Supreme Court essentially just gutted the Fifth Amendment with this ruling.

You Don’t Have the Right to Remain Silent

The Supreme Court’s terrible—and dangerous—ruling this week on the Fifth Amendment

On Monday, in a case called Salinas v. Texas that hasn’t gotten the attention it deserves, the Supreme Court held that you remain silent at your peril. The court said that this is true even before you’re arrested, when the police are just informally asking questions. The court’s move to cut off the right to remain silent is wrong and also dangerous—because it encourages the kind of high-pressure questioning that can elicit false confessions.

Here are the facts from Salinas: Two brothers were shot at home in Houston. There were no witnesses—only shotgun shell casings left at the scene. Genovevo Salinas had been at a party at that house the night before the shooting, and police invited him down to the station, where they talked for an hour. They did not arrest him or read him his Miranda warnings. Salinas agreed to give the police his shotgun for testing. Then the cops asked whether the gun would match the shells from the scene of the murder. According to the police, Salinas stopped talking, shuffled his feet, bit his lip, and started to tighten up.

At trial, Salinas did not testify, but prosecutors described his reportedly uncomfortable reaction to the question about his shotgun. Salinas argued this violated his Fifth Amendment rights: He had remained silent, and the Supreme Court had previously made clear that prosecutors can’t bring up a defendant’s refusal to answer the state’s questions. This time around, however, Justice Samuel Alito blithely responded that Salinas was “free to leave” and did not assert his right to remain silent. He was silent. But somehow, without a lawyer, and without being told his rights, he should have affirmatively “invoked” his right to not answer questions. Two other justices signed on to Alito’s opinion. Justice Clarence Thomas and Justice Antonin Scalia joined the judgment, but for a different reason; they think Salinas had no rights at all to invoke before his arrest (they also object to Miranda itself). The upshot is another terrible Roberts Court ruling on confessions. In 2010 the court held that a suspect did not sufficiently invoke the right to remain silent when he stubbornly refused to talk, after receiving his Miranda warnings, during two hours of questioning. Now people have to somehow invoke the right to remain silent even when they’re not formal suspects and they haven’t been heard the Miranda warnings. As Orin Kerr points out on the Volokh Conspiracy, this just isn’t realistic.

more: slate.com

64 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 2:28:32am

re: #63 RadicalModerate

WTF?

You have the right to remain silent at all times. It doesn’t magically turn itself on when you get arrested.

66 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 2:31:10am

Australia’s army chief: If being civil toward female soldiers and respecting their contributions to the service does not suit you, “then get out.”

Youtube Video

67 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 2:34:29am

re: #63 RadicalModerate

You know, I am a civic-minded guy and if the cops needed my help in an investigation I’d really like to help them but with rulings like this around, I no longer ever want to talk to a cop without a lawyer. It’s not even the cops’ fault, really.

68 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 2:39:20am

re: #67 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You know, I am a civic-minded guy and if the cops needed my help in an investigation I’d really like to help them but with rulings like this around, I no longer ever want to talk to a cop without a lawyer. It’s not even the cops’ fault, really.

Between security forces, working with MPs, and working IT security, I know if I ever get approached by authorities for an investigation I’m not a part of, I’m keeping my fucking mouth shut.

69 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 2:43:54am

‘Spanking for Jesus’ movement lets God-fearing husbands feel good about punishing their wives

What happens when you combine Fifty Shades of Grey with fundamentalist Christianity? “Spanking for Jesus” — or a movement known as Christian Domestic Discipline. The alternative lifestyle fell into the media spotlight on Wednesday thanks to The Daily Beast and Jezebel.

Both publications detailed the household arrangement, in which men dominate women using divinely-approved spankings. It sounds like a crude parody, but The Daily Beast estimates that thousands of couples have actually embraced the Christian Domestic Discipline way of life.

Two websites devoted to Christian Domestic Discipline both emphasize the absolute power of a husband over his wife, a situation that is purportedly supported by biblical teachings.

70 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 2:54:30am

re: #69 Kragar

I got to hear about this years ago in San Francisco, because there was a furious debate among some of my friends who are into D/S because a couple moved into the neighborhood and started hanging out at the, well, kink bars, and they were into this stuff, the Christian-based-discipline.

The argument my friends had with each other was basically whether they were being paranoid and unfair because these people were Christian, or if there really was something off. In the end, they decided there really was something off, and the way they put it is that in a ‘normal’ kinky d/s situation, the two people negotiate the relationship from independent perspectives. In this Christian one ‘revealed truth’ is a source of authority, and it makes it not about the consenting couple but about the creepy god who wants the husband to spank his wife. It also clearly only works one way— in the ‘real’ kink community you get women having subservient men, but this Christian variety only has one set of rules.

They basically decided these “Christian Discipline” people are like Goreans.

71 otoc  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 2:55:41am

Oh my, now those crosshairs are on the climate. It’s the Neanderthal party of Orwellian proportions giving me news to wake up on. We don nid no stinkin science. I should just go to bed and wake up in 20 years to miss this tragic chapter in our history. Ignorance no matter what glossy package they wish to present is still ignorance. Climate science isn’t a sham. What these guys are feeding us is. Sorry, folks, rant done.

72 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 2:56:13am

re: #71 otoc

Cool avatar.

73 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 3:01:03am

re: #70 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I got to hear about this years ago in San Francisco, because there was a furious debate among some of my friends who are into D/S because a couple moved into the neighborhood and started hanging out at the, well, kink bars, and they were into this stuff, the Christian-based-discipline.

The argument my friends had with each other was basically whether they were being paranoid because these people were Christian, or if there really was something off. In the end, they decided there really was something off, and the way they put it is that in a ‘normal’ kinky d/s situation, the two people negotiate the relationship from independent perspectives. In this Christian one ‘revealed truth’ is a source of authority, and it makes it not about the consenting couple but about the creepy god who wants the husband to spank his wife. It also clearly only works one way— in the ‘real’ kink community you get women having subservient men, but this Christian variety only has one set of rules.

They basically decided these “Christian Discipline” people are like Goreans.

Just another fucked up male dominance game for these fuckers.

74 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 3:04:22am

re: #71 otoc

There comes a point when you have to say “Sorry, we’re not going to let you doom the human race because you’re a bunch of ignorant zealots.”

75 Stoatly  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 3:25:33am

Did this get posted already?
Youtube Video
Russell Brand justifies his existence

76 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 3:55:17am

There is no better reason to oppose the backwards Republican agenda.

77 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 4:02:38am
78 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 4:32:55am

Butthurt Donald Trump is now using his sockpuppets to beat on everyone in the whole world who didn’t like his fucked-up Tweet about Gandolfini:

79 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 4:37:10am

re: #70 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I got to hear about this years ago in San Francisco, …snip

They basically decided these “Christian Discipline” people are like Goreans.

San Francisco, where even the bible thumpers are kinky.

While I’m enjoying Stereotype Day, I don’t see this catching on with the Irish Catholic women of my experience.

80 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 4:37:52am

re: #70 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I got to hear about this years ago in San Francisco, because there was a furious debate among some of my friends who are into D/S because a couple moved into the neighborhood and started hanging out at the, well, kink bars, and they were into this stuff, the Christian-based-discipline.

The argument my friends had with each other was basically whether they were being paranoid and unfair because these people were Christian, or if there really was something off. In the end, they decided there really was something off, and the way they put it is that in a ‘normal’ kinky d/s situation, the two people negotiate the relationship from independent perspectives. In this Christian one ‘revealed truth’ is a source of authority, and it makes it not about the consenting couple but about the creepy god who wants the husband to spank his wife. It also clearly only works one way— in the ‘real’ kink community you get women having subservient men, but this Christian variety only has one set of rules.

They basically decided these “Christian Discipline” people are like Goreans.

I heard about these freaks years ago and I thought it was just a kinkster spoof. If it’s real then it just creeps me right the fuck out.

81 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 4:39:20am

Teh butthurt continues.

82 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:03:25am

re: #53 Mich-again

Doesn’t work, does it?

83 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:08:20am

re: #70 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

They basically decided these “Christian Discipline” people are like Goreans.

As a member of the kink community I’ll note again that the motto is “Safe, Sane and Consensual.”

These CDD guys are a perfect example of people latching onto a belief system because it lets them be dicks to other human beings rather than use it as a guideline to become better human beings themselves.

84 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:22:43am

“Revealed Truth” is also open to interpretation, and there’s the rub, some people insist that their interpretatino of revealed truth is the only version that counts.

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:24:20am

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

Seems in a few million years New York and England are going to be neighbors, again.

That is obviously good news for the McCain campaign.

86 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:26:21am

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

Hacked!!


/

87 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:35:20am

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

Butthurt Donald Trump is now using his sockpuppets to beat on everyone in the whole world who didn’t like his fucked-up Tweet about Gandolfini:

This is a great argument. In fact, I’ll use it. You know who’s pretty damn successful—President Obama, that’s who. So all you teabag haters, you just hate PBO’s success.

Winning.

88 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:37:25am

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

Do be fair, there isn’t even a screenshot of the supposed tweet. But Trump’s a moron for engaging like this.

89 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:54:12am

re: #88 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Do be fair, there isn’t even a screenshot of the supposed tweet. But Trump’s a moron for engaging like this.

So someone as a practical joke made up a RT and embedded Donald Trump’s name in it? It shouldn’t be too difficult to track down the first RT of the alleged Trump Tweet.

90 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:24:25am
91 TDG2112  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:25:12am

Take action:
penny4nasa.org

92 darthstar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:26:49am

Mornin’ everyone. Slim Whitman has died. I chose this video of one of his TV record commercials because it even has that high pitched sound in the background from days of old.

Youtube Video

93 TDG2112  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:27:11am

I guess some Republican saw Neil’s presentation at Rice University and went “oh crap! NASA kick started main stream awareness of environmental issues! We have to cut that!”

Youtube Video

94 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:27:19am

re: #90 Vicious Babushka

I remember once as a kid being upset at the term “juvenile clothing” because the only other time I knew that terms was “juvenile delinquent”…

I was about nine years old at the time.

95 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:29:07am
96 kirkspencer  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:31:46am

re: #63 RadicalModerate

How did this fall under the radar on Monday? The US Supreme Court essentially just gutted the Fifth Amendment with this ruling.

You Don’t Have the Right to Remain Silent

more: slate.com

For those who don’t want to plow through it all, the simple is that if you’re not being held against your will (arrested) and you’re answering questions from the police, if you remain silent in response to some of the questions this fact may be used against you in court. You have to make explicit claim to the 5th amendment - or answer in such fashion that shows you’re not answering because of it - to have that right apply.

If you’re arrested - or even ‘just’ detained - then your silence gets 5th amendment protection. If you’re asked to come in to answer a few questions, or if you are a civic-minded individual who has some info to share, bring an attorney.

Not clear, by the way, is how questioning at the scene of the crime will fall here.

97 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:33:47am

re: #95 lawhawk

assuming it could pass muster with House GOP

There are a few dozen more ACA repeal votes ahead of it in line, not to mention about 50 anti-abortion bills still to go. And then there are recesses and vacations for House members to think about.

98 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:34:38am

re: #96 kirkspencer

Thanks for the summary.

99 kirkspencer  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:34:58am

re: #93 TDG2112

I guess some Republican saw Neil’s presentation at Rice University and went “oh crap! NASA kick started main stream awareness of environmental issues! We have to cut that!”

[Embedded content]

Nice, but no.

No, the main thing is that the President has suddenly made climate a major issue, emphasizing it with his speech yesterday in Berlin. The default, then, is that anything Obama supports must be countered on every front.

Sometimes I’m amazed they don’t act when Obama expressed his love for America.

100 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:36:19am

Whoa, this is pretty big on the economy-

A.M. Kitco Metals Roundup: Gold, Silver Hammered to 2.5-Year Lows; Major, New Chart Damage Suggests More Downside To Come

101 kirkspencer  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:38:50am

re: #100 Political Atheist

Whoa, this is pretty big on the economy-

Nah. It’s basically the bubble bursting.

102 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:39:03am

usnews.nbcnews.com

Color me surprised - in a nice way.

Though it also implies that it took a leader facing his own experiences in order to make the decision rather than simply deciding that others could possibly feel differently and should be tolerated and allowed to feel that way.

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:40:25am

re: #101 kirkspencer

Nah. It’s basically the bubble bursting.

Quick thinking in the right circles will bring a media blitz about the werewolf menace to Americans. That will bring silver prices back up as well as maintain the demand for moar bullets!
//

104 Joanne  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:41:57am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

What if they gave an anti-government Tea Party rally starring Glenn Beck and Michele Bachmann, and nobody came? It happened today.

I tweeted pics of yesterday’s bombshell rally and several RWNJ’s insisted that those pics were before the rally started! I was lying! Blah! Blah!! Blah!!11!

No explanation as to why there weren’t masses of folk around while people were speaking. During the rally. Isn’t that usually when a rally “starts”…when the people throwing the shindig start, you know, talking. At the microphone?

105 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:43:21am

re: #103 Feline Fearless Leader

I think it’s good news. Dollar up, fear down. It hurts my income at least temporarily but returns stability and demand. I’ll take it. Long term better.

106 darthstar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:44:02am

re: #104 Joanne

I tweeted pics of yesterday’s bombshell rally and several RWNJ’s insisted that those pics were before the rally started! I was lying! Blah! Blah!! Blah!!11!

No explanation as to why there weren’t masses of folk around while people were speaking. During the rally. Isn’t that usually when a rally “starts”…when the people throwing the shindig start, you know, talking. At the microphone?

Even if you gave them the numbers they claim the rally was a failure.

107 kirkspencer  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:44:51am

re: #103 Feline Fearless Leader

Quick thinking in the right circles will bring a media blitz about the werewolf menace to Americans. That will bring silver prices back up as well as maintain the demand for moar bullets!
//

I should have been clearer - it’s the continuation of the bursting bubble. Take a moment, go to the kitco page, and look at the prices for the past year — six months will do, but a year will make it plainer.

Precious metals have been declining for a couple of years now, and back in April or so we saw a very large drop — much larger than what we’ve seen so far today. It’s in post-bubble phase, complicated by the number of True Believers that, well, basically make precious metals move like housing with a sticky decline.

108 Ian G.  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:49:31am

Morning lizards.

So gold is down a good 6% already today as the dollar strengthens. I’d like to think that all the wingnut knuckleheads who listen to Glenn Beck and Peter Schiff for investment advice are losing their shirts.

109 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:49:49am

re: #107 kirkspencer

I should have been clearer - it’s the continuation of the bursting bubble. Take a moment, go to the kitco page, and look at the prices for the past year — six months will do, but a year will make it plainer.

Precious metals have been declining for a couple of years now, and back in April or so we saw a very large drop — much larger than what we’ve seen so far today. It’s in post-bubble phase, complicated by the number of True Believers that, well, basically make precious metals move like housing with a sticky decline.

And those who got suckered in are crying as their ship goes down. Rather than admit they got taken in by some icon of theirs they well latch onto some conspiracy about the government, international community, or banks trying to destroy the American Way or something like that. Easier to grasp another delusion than face the reality of losing their shirts in a bad investment.

110 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:57:46am

re: #104 Joanne

I tweeted pics of yesterday’s bombshell rally and several RWNJ’s insisted that those pics were before the rally started! I was lying! Blah! Blah!! Blah!!11!

No explanation as to why there weren’t masses of folk around while people were speaking. During the rally. Isn’t that usually when a rally “starts”…when the people throwing the shindig start, you know, talking. At the microphone?

BUT MOAR PEEPEL CAME TO TEH TEA PARTY RALLY THEN SHOWED UP TO SEE OBOMBA IN BERLIN SO NA NA NA

111 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:03:37am

WE MUST MAEK SHUR THEY ONLY CAN EAT BEANS, RICE & GRUEL!


112 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:04:30am

My surprise, let me show you it.

113 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:06:14am

DERP

114 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:09:06am

re: #113 Vicious Babushka

Obama condemns Christian education.

In Northern Ireland a “Christian education” means separating children into Catholic and protestant tribes and indocrinating them into an “us versus them” mentality that embraces religion and politics.

Just the way Jesus wanted it.

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:10:02am

re: #112 Vicious Babushka

Study uncovers anti-black attitudes among tea party supporters

They call it “racial realism”

And you are a racist for talking about it, so there.

/

116 Stanghazi  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:11:37am

This morning on NPR

npr.org

Senator Cruz talks about how his father came to the US legally, and used that as justification to not give a path to citizenship.

Unbelievable.

His father, of wealthy parents in Cuba paid a bribe to someone in the
Batista government to get him a student visa. He came to the US on that. Then onto Canada, Canadian citizenship. Said he didn’t get his US Citizenship until 2005 because he was just lazy.

Really, such a comparison to those here for years, coming from the poverty of Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras.

Such BS.

117 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:14:27am

re: #115 Sol Berdinowitz

They call it “racial realism”

And you are a racist for talking about it, so there.

/

No, he’s a ‘racial realist realist’.

118 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:14:35am

Wingnuts just don’t care about illegal immigrants entering the U.S. over the border on the North. They are just worried about swarms of Brown people.

119 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:15:08am
120 blueraven  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:20:29am

Bah, no major decisions from SCOTUS today.

Next chance…Monday.

121 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:22:21am
122 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:22:51am

Favorable ruling for conservative groups.

123 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:29:03am

re: #120 blueraven

Another big tease today.

124 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:31:14am
125 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:36:44am

re: #108 Ian G.

Morning lizards.

So gold is down a good 6% already today as the dollar strengthens. I’d like to think that all the wingnut knuckleheads who listen to Glenn Beck and Peter Schiff for investment advice are losing their shirts.

I like to use the fact that this can happen to inform the goldbugs what morons they are. They’re always going on about how gold has ‘real value’. That is a fixed value in the same way carbon has an atomic mass of 12.

But if that was the case the price couldn’t fluctuate like this.

Then there is wailing, gnashing of teeth and stating a a commie Canadian I don’t understand nothing.

126 aagcobb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:37:03am

re: #64 Kragar

WTF?

You have the right to remain silent at all times. It doesn’t magically turn itself on when you get arrested.

SCOTUS just decided otherwise. Hopefully Scalia can be replaced before Obama’s term ends.

127 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:38:41am

BUT WHAT ABOUT THEH GHEY TOILET SEATS BRYAN?

128 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:39:10am

“Ex-President Jimmy Carter wants sanctions weakened on terrorist groups.”

BURRRRRRRP

129 bratwurst  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:39:47am

Not sure of the provenance of this image, but I present it here for your enjoyment:

Image: if_fox_news_existed_in_1965.jpg

130 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:41:39am

re: #129 bratwurst

Not sure of the provenance of this image, but I present it here for your enjoyment:

Image: if_fox_news_existed_in_1965.jpg

There was no Fox, of course, but that statement was in common traffic, and not only in the South.

131 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:43:50am

Dumbest wingnut meme ever.

132 Stanghazi  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:44:22am

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

Dumbest wingnut meme ever.

Craft Lady made that sign.

133 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:45:10am

re: #132 Stanghazi

Craft Lady made that sign.

Comic Sans!

134 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:45:56am

Who are the “working people taxed almost to the breaking point”? The Koch’s? The Waltons? Oh wait they don’t work.

135 aagcobb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:45:59am

re: #109 Feline Fearless Leader

And those who got suckered in are crying as their ship goes down. Rather than admit they got taken in by some icon of theirs they well latch onto some conspiracy about the government, international community, or banks trying to destroy the American Way or something like that. Easier to grasp another delusion than face the reality of losing their shirts in a bad investment.

Of course cult leader luap nor is still insisting the dollar will collapse any day now and gold prices will soar to unimaginable levels.

136 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:47:01am

re: #100 Political Atheist

A.M. Kitco Metals Roundup: Gold, Silver Hammered to 2.5-Year Lows; Major, New Chart Damage Suggests More Downside To Come

So THAT’S why Glenn Beck is broke!

137 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:47:17am

TEH POOR MENZ! THEY ARE TEH VICTIMZ!!11!!


138 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:48:13am

re: #70 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I got to hear about this years ago in San Francisco, because there was a furious debate among some of my friends who are into D/S because a couple moved into the neighborhood and started hanging out at the, well, kink bars, and they were into this stuff, the Christian-based-discipline.

The argument my friends had with each other was basically whether they were being paranoid and unfair because these people were Christian, or if there really was something off. In the end, they decided there really was something off, and the way they put it is that in a ‘normal’ kinky d/s situation, the two people negotiate the relationship from independent perspectives. In this Christian one ‘revealed truth’ is a source of authority, and it makes it not about the consenting couple but about the creepy god who wants the husband to spank his wife. It also clearly only works one way— in the ‘real’ kink community you get women having subservient men, but this Christian variety only has one set of rules.

They basically decided these “Christian Discipline” people are like Goreans.

Because they are, more or less.

Properly-conducted D/s occurs between two humans, otherwise equal, who determine that they want a certain dynamic in their relationship. This is why the concept of a safe word exists — if at any time the sub is not comfortable with where things are going, that word calls a complete halt to things, right then and there, no questions asked. The dom does not have some god-given authority over the sub; they are dominant only so long as the sub allows them to be.

Bringing god into the equation turns the whole thing sour, because it’s no longer about what consenting adults want. At that point it’s just submitting to god’s will, mindlessly.

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:49:28am

re: #127 Vicious Babushka

Protection from STDS: abstinence before marriage, fidelity after. Works every time. Should be part of public health policy.

Except in cases of rape…or is that God’s will, too, Bryan?

140 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:50:37am

re: #129 bratwurst

Not sure of the provenance of this image, but I present it here for your enjoyment:

Image: if_fox_news_existed_in_1965.jpg

“Black Delinquent Attempts to Lodge Arm in K9s Throat”

Image: 1963pic.jpg

141 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:54:32am

A mullet wearing Florida professor who teaches a class on terrorism is facing a formal complaint after he claimed that Muslims are taught to hate “from the cradle”.

rawstory.com

142 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:55:52am

re: #141 Dr. Matt

teaches a class on terrorism

Yep, there we go, it finally happened. I just felt a blood vessel pop. Saw the little spurt of red mist right over there.

143 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:55:59am

re: #141 Dr. Matt

Is the complaint about the mullet?

Image: wftv_matusitz_130620a-615x345.jpg

Not the best picture of it, but god, it’s foul. It’s like a badger died halfway down his neck.

144 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:57:04am

Louie thinks we need the nukes to drop on the swarms of illegals.

145 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:57:21am

re: #143 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Is the complaint about the mullet?

Image: wftv_matusitz_130620a-615x345.jpg

Not the best picture of it, but god, it’s foul. It’s like a badger died halfway down his neck.

Why do you hate the differently-coiffed?

146 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:57:59am

re: #143 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Is the complaint about the mullet?

Image: wftv_matusitz_130620a-615x345.jpg

Not the best picture of it, but god, it’s foul. It’s like a badger died halfway down his neck.

Watch the video, forward to 00:14: wftv.com

147 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:58:04am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Why do you hate the differently-coiffed?

Typical liberal, if you don’t like the message, kill the mullet…

148 piratedan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:58:31am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

dammit Louie, we WANT you on that wall, we NEED you on that wall, so get your gun and man your post soldier!

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:58:44am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

Is now really the time to reduce America’s nuclear strength, when we can’t even secure our borders?

We need more horses and bayonets to ride them down and skewer them!

/

150 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:58:50am

DOOFUS OF THE DAY

151 piratedan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:59:35am

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

wonder if Dana will go out with him now…..

152 aagcobb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:01:53am

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

I’ve been debating misogynists on a rightwing christian blog who insist it is a horrible injustice that men can’t “financially abort” their children so that they don’t have to pay child support.

153 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:02:09am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Why do you hate the differently-coiffed?

I have been trying to get my wife into a mohawk for like two years. She would look so goddamn gorgeous.

Me, I have such a weird-shaped head it’s a good thing that I have thick, lustrous, bouncy hair. Hair with elan and savoir-faire. But underneath, my skull is shaped really bizarrely. My pediatrician told me it was like I had a ‘puffy bone yarmulke’. My soft spot didn’t join up correctly because of weirdness when I was born— the local doctors misdiagnosed, somehow, my jaundice as a fatal disease of some kind, and so I was in some clinical bassinet and anyway, my soft spot is a long, jagged seam. Add to that that I’ve got a 27-stitches knife scar on the side of my head and a wen.

If I lose my hair, I’m getting a whole new identity as a movie villain.

154 Joanne  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:03:41am
155 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:04:07am

re: #153 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I have been trying to get my wife into a mohawk for like two years. She would look so goddamn gorgeous.

Me, I have such a weird-shaped head it’s a good thing that I have thick, lustrous, bouncy hair. Hair with elan and savoir-faire. But underneath, my skull is shaped really bizarrely. My pediatrician told me it was like I had a ‘puffy bone yarmulke’. My soft spot didn’t join up correctly because of weirdness when I was born— the local doctors misdiagnosed, somehow, my jaundice as a fatal disease of some kind, and so I was in some clinical bassinet and anyway, my soft spot is a long, jagged seam. Add to that that I’ve got a 27-stitches knife scar on the side of my head and a wen.

If I lose my hair, I’m getting a whole new identity as a movie villain.

That scar would bring great cred on the UWS.

156 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:04:56am
157 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:06:32am

re: #152 aagcobb

I’ve been debating misogynists on a rightwing christian blog who insist it is a horrible injustice that men can’t “financially abort” their children so that they don’t have to pay child support.

I presume these are the same folks screaming that the women have to carry the pregnancy to full term regardless of circumstances?

158 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:06:40am

re: #152 aagcobb

PROLIFE!!

159 aagcobb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:07:11am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

Louie thinks we need the nukes to drop on the swarms of illegals.

What idiocy. One Ohio class Boomer has enough firepower to reduce any nation to glowing glass, and we have fourteen of them.

160 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:07:11am

re: #156 Gus

Highschool wrestlers on their way to careers as extras in gladiator movies.

161 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:08:24am

re: #152 aagcobb

I’ve been debating misogynists on a rightwing christian blog who insist it is a horrible injustice that men can’t “financially abort” their children so that they don’t have to pay child support.

If you don’t want to pay up, KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS.

This is not rocket science.

162 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:08:58am

re: #152 aagcobb

I’ve been debating misogynists on a rightwing christian blog who insist it is a horrible injustice that men can’t “financially abort” their children so that they don’t have to pay child support.

Tell them to put an aspirin between their knees.

163 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:09:11am

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

If you don’t want to pay up, KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS.

This is not rocket science.

I believe Bryan Fischer was going on about abstinence and fidelity…

164 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:09:23am

re: #156 Gus

Could you argue there is a difference between initiation and hazing?

165 aagcobb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:09:52am

re: #157 Feline Fearless Leader

I presume these are the same folks screaming that the women have to carry the pregnancy to full term regardless of circumstances?

Yes, its kind of a twisted way of arguing that

well, if a man can’t abort the pregnancy, the women shouldn’t be allowed to either!

166 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:10:07am

re: #163 Sol Berdinowitz

I believe Bryan Fischer was going on about abstinence and fidelity…

Trust me, there are a lot of Christian men who don’t know a darned thing about abstinence OR fidelity.

167 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:10:37am

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

We’re taxed to the breaking point!!11!11

What’s your tax rate?

It’s really high, like 80%!!!!11!!!

168 Joanne  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:10:41am

Are the days of class action lawsuits numbered?

169 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:10:44am

re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg

Trust me, there are a lot of Christian men who don’t know a darned thing about abstinence OR fidelity.

They do when it comes to women…

170 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:10:54am

re: #165 aagcobb

Yes, its kind of a twisted way of arguing

Because men totally carry a baby in their body for 9 months. It’s pretty easy to run away from something when you aren’t, you know, physically ATTACHED to it.

171 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:11:40am

re: #167 Bulworth

What’s your tax rate?

How much money do you make?

18 million a year, not counting bonuses!

172 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:12:36am

re: #159 aagcobb

What idiocy. One Ohio class Boomer has enough firepower to reduce any nation to glowing glass, and we have fourteen of them.

And hundreds of warheads on ICBMs at three air force bases, plus air launched missiles at several others.

Our ability to wipe out life on the planet is unparalleled, even with the reductions sought by the President for both the US and Russian inventories.

Moreover, we’re still in a backlog on dealing with the elimination of weapons under New START at Pantex. Cutting weapons further actually will save the US and Russians billions of dollars in not having to maintain an aging inventory or field new weapons to hit the existing target levels.

173 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:13:15am

re: #61 simoom

This whole Snowden/Greenwald affair has made Reddit completely lose its shit. At the moment, the top post on r/politics, with over 3K upvotes, is some 9/11 Truther’s blogpost about a secret treaty to sign away our nation’s sovereignty to corporations.

The internet in general and Reddit in particular is training me to have contempt for “Millennials”. I’m not old enough to be a cranky old man, dammit. However, if I had a lawn I would probably plant land mines in it.

174 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:14:22am

re: #168 Joanne

Are the days of class action lawsuits numbered?

Ugh and that is why I HATE Binding arbitration/No class action clauses in contracts. Granted this was between two corporations but the underlying issue is still the same.

Arbitration is a suckers game for consumers. Arbitration quite literally almost ALWAYS goes in favor of the company. Corporations win in Arbitration exponentially more than they do in court.

These clauses are evil because they both take away a valuable weapon consumers have against corporations (class action suits) AND force a customer who is going after the company alone into a biased and unfair arbitration situation.

I just can’t believe these clauses are still legally enforceable.

175 aagcobb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:15:09am

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Because men totally carry a baby in their body for 9 months. It’s pretty easy to run away from something when you aren’t, you know, physically ATTACHED to it.

I pointed out that the death rate for US women in childbirth has increased to 15 per 100,000 live births, double the rate it had been about 20 years ago, and that the total number of men who had died while giving birth was precisely zero.

176 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:16:47am

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh and that is why I HATE Binding arbitration/No class action clauses in contracts. Granted this was between two corporations but the underlying issue is still the same.

Arbitration is a suckers game for consumers. Arbitration quite literally almost ALWAYS goes in favor of the company. Corporations win in Arbitration exponentially more than they do in court.

These clauses are evil because they both take away a valuable weapon consumers have against corporations (class action suits) AND force a customer who is going after the company alone into a biased and unfair arbitration situation.

I just can’t believe these clauses are still legally enforceable.

American Law isn’t about fairness or justice, it’s about protecting the ruling class from the peasants.

177 Stanghazi  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:17:26am

re: #146 Dr. Matt

Watch the video, forward to 00:14: wftv.com

Fuzzy.

178 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:18:43am

re: #171 Vicious Babushka

How much money do you make?


How much money I make is secret income like Steve King sez, I don’t need to tell u or IRS how much I create wealth!!!11!

179 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:18:49am

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

Could you argue there is a difference between initiation and hazing?

In what context? From a fraternal organization point of view I could argue that there is.

Though I would also have to see what your definition of hazing is since I have seen some very nebulous legal definitions of it. I believe the Pennsylvania definition basically boiled down to that if the judge thought it was hazing, then it was hazing.

By that I mean that you could construe lots of normally acceptable requirements of various rites and rituals as being “hazing” by the definition provided.

180 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:19:36am

Hazing is bullying: organized, institutional bullying.

181 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:20:29am

re: #165 aagcobb

Yes, its kind of a twisted way of arguing that

I suspect they want both sides of it their way - the women is reminded to have the child, and that they are not required to financially support said child. Otherwise, why would being able to “financially abort” the child mean anything if the potential child itself could be aborted.

182 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:20:52am

re: #180 Sol Berdinowitz

Hazing is bullying: organized, institutional bullying.

This is more like sexual assault.

183 Interesting Times  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:21:28am

re: #180 Sol Berdinowitz

Hazing is bullying criminal harassment and assault: organized, institutional bullying criminal harassment and assault.

True-justice-fied that for you.

184 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:23:47am

re: #182 Gus

This is more like sexual assault.

A very brutal form of bullying

185 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:25:19am

But hey, it wasn’t some outrageous Tweet so no one cares, right?

186 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:27:34am

Nor was it some inappropriate comment on an elevator at some atheist conference.

187 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:27:54am

In other news…


Boom!

188 Stanghazi  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:30:06am

re: #187 Gus

In other news…


Boom!

Yep, he came here legally. /

189 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:34:13am

re: #187 Gus

In other news…


Ted Cruz’s father bribed an official to come to U.S.!

I thought that Cubans did not count as “wetbacks”…

190 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:35:01am

re: #189 Sol Berdinowitz

I thought that Cubans did not count as “wetbacks”…

But if they swam across the Detroit river…

191 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:39:16am

Oh look!


Hmm. Truther!

192 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:39:59am

re: #191 Gus

Oh look!

Hmm. Truther!

Dweeb.

193 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:43:09am

re: #8 darthstar

Rest in peace, you beautiful fucking human being.

Image: 996161_10200545165006279_1584534495_n.jpg

When I watched “The Sopranos,” I always wondered what Anthony Accetturo thought of the depiction of his gang.

194 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:44:01am

re: #192 Vicious Babushka

Dweeb.

Another.

195 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:46:14am

Good morning lizards!

196 kirkspencer  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:48:07am

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

Dumbest wingnut meme ever.

Yes.

It annoys me. I went into a fast food place to apply the other day. Filled out the resume, turned it in, was told I had to wait for it to be reviewed. New husband of a friend’s daughter goes to the same place 30 minutes later, walks out 15 minutes after that with a job.

I’m too educated, too old, for bottom tier jobs in today’s market as they can hire plenty of people who aren’t. My education and experience aren’t “right” for most of the jobs to which I apply. My field is glutted (30 qualified applicants for a job that wants 10 years experience and a master’s degree where a decade ago you’d see five applicants). Oh, and at over a year unemployed I get /that/ particular mark.

And then some know-nothing says the only people without work are those who don’t want to work.

197 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:48:36am

DERP
I actually read the entire list of “horrible things” done by Obama and I’m like all WTF dude

198 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:48:44am

re: #192 Vicious Babushka

Dweeb.

Here’s the channel for that video.

youtube.com

I recognize that nut Brother Nathanael from Liveleak. He was blaming the USA, and Obama going into Syria on TEH JUICE.

199 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:49:31am

GM Bailout was so horrible, I keep getting SPAM from recruiters with auto industry jobs they have to fill.

200 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:50:29am

Greenwald has brought out the Barrett Brown fans.

201 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:51:30am

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

Greenwald has brought out the Barrett Brown fans.

Hahahaha!

202 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:52:27am

re: #197 Vicious Babushka

DERP
I actually read the entire list of “horrible things” done by Obama and I’m like all WTF dude

Seal Deaths?

Did he hit them on the head with a club?

203 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:53:09am

It’s all coming out in the open. First MJ Rosenberg Tweeting to Glenn Greenwald about TEH JUICE and 9/11. Then Greenwald showing alliance with BB who’s facing charges of threatening an FBI agent. Got it.

204 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:55:07am

Oh, Charles Pierce went there too. Whatever.

205 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:55:24am

re: #199 Vicious Babushka

GM just took home top marks from JD Power on quality.

The company’s GMC truck brand jumped to No. 2 among all brands — just behind Porsche — for fewest new vehicle problems in the 2013 J.D. Power and Associates’ Initial Quality Study. GM’s Chevrolet brand rose to fifth in the annual ranking, and its other two brands, Cadillac and Buick, both beat the industry average.

206 darthstar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:56:44am

The Cap’n ain’t happy/

207 darthstar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:00:07am

PSA: When to whip it.

Image: 421778_10151753106349276_1203416532_n.jpg

208 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:01:07am

Should I ask who Barrett Brown is, or would I be better off not knowing?

209 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:03:26am

re: #208 Bulworth

A guy who is smart but not wise.

Called me a fascist apologist once.

210 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:03:31am

facepalm

211 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:04:20am

re: #208 Bulworth

Should I ask who Barrett Brown is, or would I be better off not knowing?

en.wikipedia.org

Actually a former temporary Lizard. That’s another story in itself.

212 Mike Lamb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:04:34am

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

Doesn’t that mean that the program is working right?

213 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:06:19am

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Are you facepalming the misleading headline?

214 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:06:53am

re: #212 Mike Lamb

Doesn’t that mean that the program is working right?

Steve Stockman is like all

HOW DARE TEH POORS EAT TEH SAME FOOD AS WEALTHY-AMERICANS!!111!!!!

215 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:08:17am

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Buzzfeed is attempting to invoke fake outrage:

Absolutely no slight toward any individual in the audience was intended. That’s the last thing the Secretary would do under any circumstance, in this or any other setting. He didn’t know who would be called next to pose a question.

216 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:09:32am

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

HOW DARE TEH POORS EAT TEH SAME FOOD AS WEALTHY-AMERICANS!!111!!!!

We see how much resudual Calvinism there is in our country.

Wealth is an outward sign of inner grace…when the poor are allowed to resemble the divinely graced-job creators by having food, phones and refreigerators, how shall we know who is blessed and who is just freeloading?

217 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:10:50am

re: #213 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Are you facepalming the misleading headline?

Well, Hagel is after all still a Republican.

//

218 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:11:29am

re: #215 Dr. Matt

Buzzfeed is attempting to invoke fake outrage:

It was supposed to be a joke, correct?

219 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:11:50am

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

Food Stamp welfares buying bubble gum and popcorn!!!!

Food Stamp takers buying steak=FRAUD.

Food Stampers buying fruit, vegetables, fresh meat, just like the rest of us!!!!!111!!!!1

220 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:12:18am

EXCLUSIVE: Fox News Expected To Announce Howard Kurtz Will Join Network

File this under: WTF????!!!

221 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:13:12am

DERP
(What Erick calls “no sense of humor” was a response to Mrs. Erick posting on FB that she wanted to kick the shit out of Melissa Etheridge)
HAHA kicking the shit out of somebody THAT’S SO HILARIOUS!!11

222 Joanne  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:13:52am

re: #213 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Are you facepalming the misleading headline?

Exactly what I was thinking. I just saw the story on tv and it was nothing like what that headline said.

223 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:15:48am

re: #222 Joanne

Exactly what I was thinking. I just saw the story on tv and it was nothing like what that headline said.

Officials currently in the GOP should look at what’s happening to Hagel and think about how, if they discover an issue they’re willing to take a stand on that departs from the party, the same will happen to them.

224 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:16:02am

Food Stamp scammers buying orange juice! Scandal!!

Poors using Food Stamps on “2 for $5” Lean Cuisine frozen entree deal!11!!

225 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:16:48am

re: #221 Vicious Babushka

Very Christian, also, too:

Just like MLK!!!

226 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:17:16am

THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS, DUMBASS.

227 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:17:56am

:)

228 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:20:44am

Food Stamps used to buy DiGiorno Pizza!!!!!111!!!1!

229 Major Tom  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:22:29am

Kurtz is joining Fox? Credibility here you come! mediaite.com

230 Joanne  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:22:38am

re: #223 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Officials currently in the GOP should look at what’s happening to Hagel and think about how, if they discover an issue they’re willing to take a stand on that departs from the party, the same will happen to them.

They don’t care. They don’t see reality inside of their bubble (see: Romney, President). They don’t see their shrinking demographics (see: Polls, Unskewed). They believe they can change their message and all will be well (see: Abortion, Make it funny).

And above all else, they apparently believe that it will never happen to them.

231 Major Tom  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:22:54am

re: #220 Dr. Matt

Man you guys are fast :)

232 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:22:58am

re: #226 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, this 4.4 challenge sounds like some brilliant, good faith policy initiative by Repubs. //

233 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:24:06am

The UN is spewing bullshit about Israel again.

Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N.

234 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:24:37am

re: #226 Vicious Babushka

Better yet, let’s reduce spending to 1945 levels when we won WWII!!!!!

////

235 blueraven  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:25:03am

re: #221 Vicious Babushka

DERP
(What Erick calls “no sense of humor” was a response to Mrs. Erick posting on FB that she wanted to kick the shit out of Melissa Etheridge)
HAHA kicking the shit out of somebody THAT’S SO HILARIOUS!!11

To be fair…what Melissa Ethridge said was none to cool either. Ms Erickson was responding to her statement that the only reason for a mastectomy (for preventative breast cancer) was fear. Like Angelina Jolie, Erickson’s wife had a double mastectomy. Ethridge said Jolie made the most fearful choice and was not brave.

One can have their own opinions but I think that it is an individual decision and no one should be derided for it.

236 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:25:10am

re: #229 Major Tom

Kurtz is joining Fox? Credibility here you come! mediaite.com

How long will it take before he starts spewing RWNJ conspiracy theories? 2 days?

237 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:25:12am

re: #226 Vicious Babushka

THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS, DUMBASS.

Will Democrats accept the “4.4% Challenge,” to reduce spending to what it was in 2006 when unemployment was 4.4%? Cut spending, create jobs.

Closing Fort Hood would just about cover that.

238 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:26:09am

re: #233 NJDhockeyfan

In March, Palmor, the Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman, had said that officials from the ministry and the military had cooperated with UNICEF in its work on the report, with the goal of improving the treatment of Palestinian minors in custody.

“Israel will study the conclusions and will work to implement them through ongoing cooperation with UNICEF, whose work we value and respect,” he said, in response to the UNICEF report.

239 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:26:10am
240 Major Tom  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:26:38am

re: #236 Dr. Matt

Somehow I think Fox will avoid being a target of media scrutiny from Kurtz from now on. Not that he was keen on scrutiny before.

241 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:27:27am

re: #226 Vicious Babushka

re: #237 Decatur Deb

When will someone in the librul media point out to the RWNJs that austerity is a proven failure. Just look at Europe….an utter mess. Meanwhile, the US economy continues to build and get stronger and the US dollar continues to strengthen.

242 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:27:29am

re: #223 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Officials currently in the GOP should look at what’s happening to Hagel and think about how, if they discover an issue they’re willing to take a stand on that departs from the party, the same will happen to them.

Look at Governer Brewer in Arizona: the lady who shook her finger at Obama, gave us HB 1070. She then buckled under and accepted ACA expanded Medicaid funding for all the retirees and underinsured in Arizona and now she is a pariah.

243 Joanne  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:29:06am

re: #235 blueraven

To be fair…what Melissa Ethridge said was none to cool either. Ms Erickson was responding to her statement that the only reason for a mastectomy (for preventative breast cancer) was fear. Like Angelina Jolie, Erickson’s wife had a double mastectomy. Ethridge said Jolie made the most fearful choice and was not brave.

One can have their own opinions but I think that it is an individual decision and no one should be derided for it.

If you think that Erickson is in any way sticking up for Jolie’s decision…I gots a bridge for you to peruse. Cheap, my friend. Buy it now. But Wait! Act within the next 5 minutes and I will throw in an off-ramp!

244 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:32:34am

re: #235 blueraven

To be fair…what Melissa Ethridge said was none to cool either. Ms Erickson was responding to her statement that the only reason for a mastectomy (for preventative breast cancer) was fear. Like Angelina Jolie, Erickson’s wife had a double mastectomy. Ethridge said Jolie made the most fearful choice and was not brave.

One can have their own opinions but I think that it is an individual decision and no one should be derided for it.

I think another woman’s medical decision is none of Melissa Etheridge’s, or anyone else’s business except for the woman and her doctor. In any case, threatening to “kick the shit” out of somebody is even less cool than expressing a NOYB opinion.

245 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:32:38am

re: #237 Decatur Deb

Close a military base when we can’t even secure are border?!?!?111!!1

246 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:33:09am

re: #238 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It Reuters. It seems to be written like an opinion piece. Found this:

unispal.un.org

247 blueraven  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:33:56am

re: #243 Joanne

If you think that Erickson is in any way sticking up for Jolie’s decision…I gots a bridge for you to peruse. Cheap, my friend. Buy it now. But Wait! Act within the next 5 minutes and I will throw in an off-ramp!

No he was sticking up for his wife’s statement and her own decision to have a double mastectomy.

248 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:35:19am

re: #247 blueraven

No he was sticking up for his wife’s statement and her own decision to have a double mastectomy.

And also his wife’s statement that she would like to kick the shit out of another person. “It was supposed to be FUNNY!”

249 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:35:19am

re: #191 Gus

Oh look!


Hmm. Truther!

Whut.

250 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:38:03am

re: #248 Vicious Babushka

Well, that’s what the God they want everyone else to worship said to do in cases where they were offended. You know, turn the other cheek.

//

251 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:38:40am

So, I messed up my knee bad.
Wheee!

252 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:38:41am

Bomb Threat Made at Courthouse Near Fort Hood

Someone threatened to bomb a county courthouse near Fort Hood unless officials met the “demands” of the Army psychiatrist charged in the 2009 shooting rampage on the Texas Army post, a sheriff said Wednesday.

After the Wednesday morning call that mentioned Maj. Nidal Hasan, law officers evacuated the historic courthouse and Bell County Justice Center, but found nothing after searching extensively with bomb-sniffing dogs, Bell County Sheriff Eddy Lange said. The jail was put on lockdown.

Employees were allowed back inside the buildings a few hours later. The time that the caller said the bomb would explode at the courthouse had long expired, said city of Belton spokesman Paul Romer.

Bell County has a contract with nearby Fort Hood to house all of its defendants, including Hasan, because the Army post does not have holding facilities. Lange said this was the first threat related to Hasan, and it came a day after a military judge who reviewed the security plans for Hasan’s murder trial said she was unaware of any threat to any individual or group.

253 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:39:55am
And also his wife’s statement that she would like to kick the shit out of another person. “It was supposed to be FUNNY!”

And Christian! Values!

“I like your Jesus, but I don’t care much for your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Jesus.” = Gandhi (paraphrased)

254 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:40:26am

re: #249 Varek Raith

Whut.

Basically.

255 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:41:07am

re: #251 Varek Raith

So, I messed up my knee bad.
Wheee!

How bad? It seems to be a bad year for Lizards and their leg parts.

256 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:42:17am

re: #252 NJDhockeyfan

“Listen to our guy or we’ll blow him up.”???

257 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:42:28am

re: #255 Gus

How bad? It seems to be a bad year for Lizards and their leg parts.

Patella got shifted to the left. By a lot.

258 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:43:06am

re: #257 Varek Raith

Patella got shifted to the left. By a lot.

Surgery?

259 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:43:11am

re: #257 Varek Raith

Patella got shifted to the left. By a lot.

Bummer. You should have paid the vig.

260 blueraven  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:43:31am

re: #248 Vicious Babushka

And also his wife’s statement that she would like to kick the shit out of another person. “It was supposed to be FUNNY!”

She didnt exactly say she would like to kick the shit out of her. She said if she met her…she feared she would have to kick her ass

261 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:44:41am

re: #258 Gus

Surgery?

No, thankfully.
It’s back where it belongs. Hurts like a mofo.
Can’t walk on it.

262 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:44:42am

re: #260 blueraven

She didnt exactly say she would like to kick the shit out of her. She said of she met her…she feared she would have to kick her ass

That is the weirdest phobia I have ever heard of, fear of kicking someone else’s ass, it’s even weirder than buttonphobia.

263 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:45:48am

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

Buttonphobia. Never heard of it. Is it anything like Butthurtophobia?

264 kirkspencer  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:45:49am

re: #228 Bulworth

Food Stamps used to buy DiGiorno Pizza!!!!!111!!!1!

The sad thing about the faux quote is not only that a lot of idiots believe it but that there’s a reason it’s true. I’m amazed at how many people do not know how to cook. They know how to pull boxes and bags out of pantry and freezer and follow those instructions, but making something from scratch just daunts them. Sad, because it’s cheaper and (usually) healthier.

On the other hand it’s more time. And if you’re working (or hunting) a job AND taking care of kids, well, time isn’t your friend.

265 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:46:09am

re: #261 Varek Raith

No, thankfully.
It’s back where it belongs. Hurts like a mofo.
Can’t walk on it.

Good luck! Mine have been sore from the broken fibula. Getting SLOWLY better.

266 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:47:04am

I do have a spiffy cane though.
GET OFF MY INTERNET!

267 Joanne  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:47:05am

This is a fascinating article on Reputation Management companies. I knew nothing about this industry other than its existence.

268 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:47:44am

And some not so spiffy crutches.

269 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:47:57am

re: #264 kirkspencer

The sad thing about the faux quote is not only that a lot of idiots believe it but that there’s a reason it’s true. I’m amazed at how many people do not know how to cook. They know how to pull boxes and bags out of pantry and freezer and follow those instructions, but making something from scratch just daunts them. Sad, because it’s cheaper and (usually) healthier.

On the other hand it’s more time. And if you’re working (or hunting) a job AND taking care of kids, well, time isn’t your friend.

A lot of people live in studio apartments or rooms that may not have full cooking equipment, maybe just a microwave or a single burner.

270 geoffm33  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:49:26am

re: #266 Varek Raith

I do have a spiffy cane though.
GET OFF MY INTERNET!

You know who else used a cane?

271 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:52:16am

What in the fuck of fucks….
Virginia GOP Nominee: ‘Great Society’ Programs Worse For Black Families Than Slavery

272 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:53:24am

re: #271 Varek Raith

What in the fuck of fucks….
Virginia GOP Nominee: ‘Great Society’ Programs Worse For Black Families Than Slavery

That’s the old “plantation” meme, they cannot seem to get away from it…

273 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:53:35am

re: #271 Varek Raith

What in the fuck of fucks….
Virginia GOP Nominee: ‘Great Society’ Programs Worse For Black Families Than Slavery

EWWWW Jackson just wants to extend his 15 minutes. I’m not sure he even believes half of the shit he spews.

Also, SCARY 404 GODZILLA

274 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:55:14am

Way to royally mess up your chances at winning, Ken.

275 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:55:22am

re: #266 Varek Raith

I do have a spiffy cane though.
GET OFF MY INTERNET!

Youtube Video

276 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:55:25am

re: #271 Varek Raith

What in the fuck of fucks….
Virginia GOP Nominee: ‘Great Society’ Programs Worse For Black Families Than Slavery

It’s the “Two Kinds of People” problem.

One kind will pull swimmers into an overcrowded lifeboat. One kind will row their half-empty boat away to safety. We call these “Liberals” or “Conservatives”.

277 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:55:35am

re: #197 Vicious Babushka

DERP
I actually read the entire list of “horrible things” done by Obama and I’m like all WTF dude

That is a whole lot of DERP! I’m amazed it doesn’t vanish beyond its event horizon.

278 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:57:06am

Weather Channel page appears down at the moment…

279 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:57:15am

re: #277 Romantic Heretic

That is a whole lot of DERP! I’m amazed it doesn’t vanish beyond its event horizon.

Yes, the GM Bailout fucked so many people. All those unemployed auto workers would have been living the Life of Riley on Food Stamps & welfare, got a bunch of high-paying jobs. Bummer, sux to be them.//

280 darthstar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:57:15am

re: #270 geoffm33

You know who else used a cane?

And Charlie Chaplin.

281 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:58:08am

re: #268 Varek Raith

And some not so spiffy crutches.

Brace of any sort? Also, how did you accomplish this?

282 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:58:37am

BBL

283 darthstar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:00:42am
284 Interesting Times  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:00:44am

re: #278 Eclectic Cyborg

Weather Channel page appears down at the moment…

DOS attack by Exxon for this?

285 darthstar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:04:11am
286 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:05:17am

Drones.

287 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:06:34am

re: #281 Gus

Brace of any sort? Also, how did you accomplish this?

Brace, check.
Simply kneeling down and placing books on a shelf. Got up, bam! Instant fucked up knee. Of course, they’ve been bad since I was a teenager so…
Lame.

288 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:09:34am

re: #271 Varek Raith

I wonder if he knows what the Great Society programs were..

289 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:09:39am

Do you all realize how hard it was to not say, “I took and arrow in the knee”???
Willpower, man.

290 Skip Intro  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:10:19am

re: #240 Major Tom

Somehow I think Fox will avoid being a target of media scrutiny from Kurtz from now on. Not that he was keen on scrutiny before.

Years ago I used to watch Reliable Sources when Bernard Kalb was host. I remember the sinking feeling I got watching Kurtz slowly elbow Kalb out of the way to take over the show. RS never recovered.

291 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:10:59am

re: #288 Bulworth

Hint: not “welfare”, or AFDC or TANF.

Mostly community block grant stuff.

Medicare/Medicaid also got passed during the same time period, as did greater aid to education. I wonder if he find those objectionable.

292 GeneJockey  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:12:49am

After a quick perusal of the derp that has accrued since last night, I’m rethinking my decision to get up today.

Hard to tell which is more stupefyingly stupid - Stockman’s 4.4% nonsense (Hey Congessman! The cart will run more smoothly if you put the horse in front!), or more of E.W. Jackson’s demonstrations that he’s the kind of black man the GOP is looking for - batshit crazy and not afraid to demonstrate it.

Christ Varek Raith on a crutch, what is this world coming to?

293 GeneJockey  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:14:57am

re: #287 Varek Raith

Brace, check.
Simply kneeling down and placing books on a shelf. Got up, bam! Instant fucked up knee. Of course, they’ve been bad since I was a teenager so…
Lame.

Literally.

294 Ian G.  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:16:32am

dish.andrewsullivan.com

So apparently Exodus International is ending its persecution of gays and acknowledging its actions as un-Christian. Good for them.

Of course, I’m posting here because I can’t wait to see the collection of butthurt tweets about this from Bryan Fischer.

295 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:17:45am

re: #294 Ian G.

I can start writing them now…

Exodus International infiltrated by teh gay and demons, forced by librul bullying to shut down.

296 GeneJockey  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:18:26am

re: #291 Bulworth

Hint: not “welfare”, or AFDC or TANF.

Mostly community block grant stuff.

Medicare/Medicaid also got passed during the same time period, as did greater aid to education. I wonder if he find those objectionable.

Medicare? Oh, HELL yes. I was just telling my children about the time in America when men were free.

Free to eat dogfood when their meager savings were used up within a couple days of treatment for any of the diseases of old age.

Free to lose their homes to cover the expense of caring for an elderly parent.

So much freedom lost…

297 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:23:17am

re: #296 GeneJockey

Medicare? Oh, HELL yes. I was just telling my children about the time in America when men were free.

Free to eat dogfood when their meager savings were used up within a couple days of treatment for any of the diseases of old age.

Free to lose their homes to cover the expense of caring for an elderly parent.

So much freedom lost…

Don’t forget the time when black people were free to try and find a olace that would serve them food or let them stay overnight…

298 GeneJockey  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:24:36am

re: #297 Sol Berdinowitz

Don’t forget the time when black people were free to try and find a olace that would serve them food or let them stay overnight…

Or free from the worry of deciding whom to vote for.

299 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:25:25am

re: #298 GeneJockey

they didn’t have to vote at all!

//

300 Lidane  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:25:40am


They want to build a base on Mars while cutting NASA’s funding.

SENSE. THEY MAKE NONE.

301 GeneJockey  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:28:13am

re: #300 Lidane

They want to build a base on Mars while cutting NASA’s funding.

SENSE. THEY MAKE NONE.

Well, of course! We already know enough about the Earth, and those NASA scientists will just spend the money on the hoax of Global Warming, because they want to destoy Capitalism and live fat and lazy on all that sweet, sweet grant money.
//

302 Lidane  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:28:39am

Bitch plz. Fifty years ago the teabaggers would’ve been the ones holding the fire hoses and leashes:

303 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:30:03am

re: #302 Lidane

Glenn Beck says the Tea Party is the new civil rights movement & must be ready “to have the dogs be unleashed on us”

Bering forced to fill out lengthy forms to justify one’s tax-free status = having a German shepherd sicked on you for peacefully protesting

got it

304 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:30:31am
305 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:30:59am

Caught some of Rush this morning. He was complaining how Democrats would ignore the law if they disagreed with it.

Kind of like how Conservatives said they weren’t going to obey the law regarding Obamacare or proposed gun control laws?

Zero awareness.

306 Lidane  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:31:25am

re: #304 Vicious Babushka

Ryan lives up to the zombie-eyed granny starver meme.

307 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:31:48am

re: #304 Vicious Babushka

You can eat or have transportation to your minimum wage job, but not both!
/

308 Ian G.  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:31:57am

re: #302 Lidane

Bitch please. Fifty years ago the teabaggers would’ve been the ones holding the fire hoses and leashes:

It’s just their pathological need to be victims, because life is so hard when you’re a wealthy white conservative Christian in this country. Pay this teenager slamming his bedroom door no mind.

309 Lidane  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:32:11am

re: #305 Kragar

Caught some of Rush this morning. He was complaining how Democrats would ignore the law if they disagreed with it.

And yet, Rush and the other nutters support nullification laws.

Derp.

310 GeneJockey  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:32:54am

re: #304 Vicious Babushka

Does that heartless fucker understand that a lot of people on foodstamps have jobs? You know, jobs they might have to DRIVE TO?

Jesus, what is it - Shame The Poor Week?

311 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:32:56am

Florida professor’s terrorism class: Muslims taught to hate ‘from the cradle’

According to excerpts from the professor’s seminar, he claimed that England welcomed Muslims and had to “say yes to polygamy and honor killings.”

“Imagine that symbolic interaction that from the cradle until you are an adult you are taught to hate,” he said. “I would rather take a chance and resist what is our enemy that just give up and embrace these foreign cultures.”

In an interview with WFTV on Wednesday, Matusitz shrugged off the complaint.

“They’ve never been in my classes,” he said. “They don’t know the context of my classes.”

“I think they’re wrong,” Matusitz added. “I think they’re afraid of truth-tellers and they want to stifle free speech.”

312 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:32:59am

re: #297 Sol Berdinowitz

Don’t forget the time when black people were free to try and find a olace that would serve them food or let them stay overnight…

During the “The Good Ole Days” of the 1960s a restaurant, owned by a friend’s father, was burned to the ground by a white mob for serving black people out of the back door of his restaurant.

313 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:35:44am

Rick Wiles, Demon-Possessed MSNBC Viewers, and the Coming Christian Holocaust

On Tuesday evening’s broadcast of “The Rachel Maddow Show,” several of the clips we have posted from End Times radio host Rick Wiles were aired during a segment about the radical views held by various Republican congressional leaders.

For his part, Wiles was unaware that he had been featured on the program until he checked his email and voice-mail on Wednesday morning and found himself under an avalanche of messages attacking for the insane things that he has said. And as he explained on his radio program yesterday, the messages he received could only have come from “people who are demon-possessed” and serve as further proof that an anti-Christian holocaust is coming to America.

Anyone who honestly believes in demons should be taken to a nice little padded room and drugged heavily. They’re a danger to themselves and others.

314 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:35:49am

re: #310 GeneJockey

Does that heartless fucker understand that a lot of people on foodstamps have jobs? You know, jobs they might have to DRIVE TO?

Jesus, what is it - Shame The Poor Week?

Every week is Shame the Poor Week in the GOP!

315 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:36:47am
316 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:38:19am

re: #300 Lidane

They want to build a base on Mars while cutting NASA’s funding.

SENSE. THEY MAKE NONE.

In a way, it kind of makes sense…

Michele Bachmann (R-Mars)

317 Gus  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:38:49am

re: #315 Vicious Babushka

AirCavalryHatGate

318 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:39:17am

Holy Shit, I did not see this coming at all.

Christian Group That Provided ‘Gay Therapy’ Apologizes, Shuts Down

Exodus International, a Christian group that claimed to be able to “cure” homosexuality though therapy, announced Wednesday that it is shutting down after more than three decades of work following an apology it issued to the LGBT community.

“We’re not negating the ways God used Exodus to positively affect thousands of people, but a new generation of Christians is looking for change - and they want to be heard,” board member Tony Moore said in a press release posted to the Exodus International website.

Just a day earlier, Exodus International’s president, Alan Chambers, wrote a lengthy apology published on the group’s website that lamented his organization’s and the church’s approach to the LGBT community without renouncing his “biblical beliefs” regarding sexuality.

“Please know that I am deeply sorry,” Chambers said in the apology. “I am sorry for the pain and hurt many of you have experienced. I am sorry that some of you spent years working through the shame and guilt you felt when your attractions didn’t change. I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents.”

319 piratedan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:42:43am

re: #316 Gus

well it’s their backhanded way of acknowledging climate change…. they want to set up a base on Mars using the funding that they’re cutting from the climate change research…. so in essence while they’re in the process of making this planet uninhabitable by preventing us from using the climate change research that NASA is currently performing to allow us to adapt and prepare for change; they are looking to relocate the true believers on Mars.. see how that all fits together?

320 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:44:57am

re: #319 piratedan

well it’s their backhanded way of acknowledging climate change…. they want to set up a base on Mars using the funding that they’re cutting from the climate change research…. so in essence while they’re in the process of making this planet uninhabitable by preventing us from using the climate change research that NASA is currently performing to allow us to adapt and prepare for change; they are looking to relocate the true believers on Mars.. see how that all fits together?

I thought they will be Raptured and won’t need any Mars bases, or is that just supposed to be a Rest Stop?

321 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:46:09am

re: #320 Vicious Babushka

I thought they will be Raptured and won’t need any Mars bases, or is that just supposed to be a Rest Stop?

I think they want to populate it with 50,000 Republicans and declare it a Red State…

ha ha

322 piratedan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:46:27am

re: #320 Vicious Babushka

the first step in rectifying the Mine Shaft Gap…..

323 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:47:31am

HAV MOAR FAIL.

The House voted Thursday to let states launch pilot programs allowing them to require food stamp recipients to either work or show they are looking for work.

The amendment to the farm bill from Rep. Steve Southerland (R-Fla.) is modeled after the 1996 welfare reform, which had a work requirement and which Republicans say is responsible for helping people get off welfare.

Read more: thehill.com
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook

WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY WORKING AT WALMART AND OTHER SUBMINIMUM WAGE JOBS? HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GET OFF WELFARE?

This idiocy gives me a stomach ache.

324 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:49:24am

re: #323 Vicious Babushka

HAV MOAR FAIL.

WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY WORKING AT WALMART AND OTHER SUBMINIMUM WAGE JOBS? HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GET OFF WELFARE?

They should have to prove that they are working hard at finding a better-paid job…

325 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:50:12am

re: #323 Vicious Babushka

So the GOP rebranding is to make them officially the Evil Bastards party once and for all?

That is the only logical explanation for their behavior over the last few years.

326 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:50:22am

re: #323 Vicious Babushka

HAV MOAR FAIL.

WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY WORKING AT WALMART AND OTHER SUBMINIMUM WAGE JOBS? HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GET OFF WELFARE?

This idiocy gives me a stomach ache.

Just a preliminary step to denying them voting rights for getting public assistance.

327 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:50:58am

re: #324 Sol Berdinowitz

They should have to prove that they are working hard at finding a better-paid job…

Proof of registering and voting Republican will suffice.
/

328 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:52:33am

re: #326 Feline Fearless Leader

Just a preliminary step to denying them voting rights for getting public assistance.

329 Kragar  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:55:21am

re: #328 Vicious Babushka

Agricultural and business subsidies, social security and medicare are welfare.

330 piratedan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:56:12am

re: #328 Vicious Babushka

I’m sure that this applies to farm subsidies too, amirite? Gotta love the GOP, where it’s soon to be a crime to be poor, a minority, a non-christian, a woman or vote Democrat

331 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:31:41am

re: #294 Ian G.

dish.andrewsullivan.com

So apparently Exodus International is ending its persecution of gays and acknowledging its actions as un-Christian. Good for them.

Of course, I’m posting here because I can’t wait to see the collection of butthurt tweets about this from Bryan Fischer.

“but-
thurt”

Now that’s a hyphenation algorithm I can get behind!

332 otoc  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 2:44:37pm

re: #74 Kragar

There comes a point when you have to say “Sorry, we’re not going to let you doom the human race because you’re a bunch of ignorant zealots.”

lol, which is why I refuse to vote GOP at this time just out of principal. When discussing that party with friends I know who are affiliated, I use the same argument the izlambaphobes use. Time to be vocal about those taking over your party. Difference being, this point is not a failure like the izlambs whine about since I find plenty of examples of vocal expressions of dismay from those of Islamic faith against extremism. All I see from the GOP is a disconnected concern for votes.

333 AlexRogan  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:01:36pm

re: #285 darthstar

At least Boehner will still have a “tan”…


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