Dumbest Man on Internet Gloats, Fails Again

Why do they always sound like comic book super-villains when they gloat?

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If there’s one thing the Dumbest Man on the Internet is good at, it’s gloating: Doofus Charles Johnson Falls for Bogus Tea Party Rally Shot to Bash Conservatives | the Gateway Pundit

Poor Charles Johnson.

If he’s not trolling right-wing blogs or bashing conservatives he’s just not happy. Too bad for Chuck, he would be much more effective if he didn’t do such sloppy work. Take his latest post, for instance, where bashes the Tea Party for low turnout today in Washington DC.

Take a close look at the photo below.

Sorry Charlie.

The photo Charles posted is not from the Audit IRS Tea Party today in Washington. The picture he posted is from an immigration rally on the other side of the US Capitol today.

Here’s a shot from today’s Tea Party rally where between 10,000 and 15,000 turned out.

Once again, Charles Johnson is left looking like an idiot leftist.

Better luck next time, Chuck.

Why do wingnuts always sound like a badly-written Lex Luthor rant when they gloat?

Be that as it may, I do have a correction to make, because Jim Hoft is right. (This may be the first and only time I ever write that sentence.) Here’s the picture I posted originally:

@gatewaypundit Noted idiot Jim Hoft overestimates the tiny #AuditTheIRS “rally” by about 6 thousand. pic.twitter.com/GYkcdIUREL

— FreedomWorks Panda (@NicoleGennette) June 19, 2013

This photo does not show the Tea Party rally; it is indeed a different rally.

So does that mean Jim Hoft is also correct that the turnout was “10,000 to 15,000?” (Notice that he’s now inflated it even beyond his original fantasy numbers.)

Of course not! Even when he’s right about something, the inestimably dim Jim Hoft turns it into a fail.

Hoft includes this photo of the rally, taken from a low angle, and claims it shows 15,000 people:

This is the same trick Hoft always tries to pull, and it really doesn’t fool anyone — but he does it every time.

Here’s another shot of the rally from The Daily Beast, showing the real size of the crowd:

Does that look like 15,000 people to you? The Associated Press caption for the photo:

Hundreds gathered on the grounds of the Capitol to protest. (J. Scott Applewhite/AP)

Yep, “hundreds” is more like it.

Jim Hoft really should post a correction too at this point, to revise his fantasy turnout numbers drastically downward, but we all know that’s just not how Hoft rolls.

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171 comments

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:55:36am

MLK March on Washington 1963

Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:56:21am

Wait, Jim Hoft is RIGHT about something?!?!

We are truly through the looking glass here people.

Everyone, stay calm.

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:56:40am

Sure, its hundreds, but once you adjust for inflation…

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:57:11am

Another view of 1963 Civil Rights March

Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:57:33am

re: #3 Kragar

Sure, its hundreds, but once you adjust for inflation…

and unskewing…

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:57:52am

re: #3 Kragar

Sure, its hundreds, but once you adjust for inflation…

Sure it’s hundreds but if you add 0 it becomes thousands!

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:58:33am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Sure it’s hundreds but if you add 0 it becomes thousands!

They had a lot of zeroes there. Mostly on stage giving speeches.

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:58:40am

What he did he realistically expect from this sad little rally? And who has a political rally on a Wednesday? Smack dab in the middle of the week.

Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:59:18am

I got a pop-up ad for a personals site inviting me to “Date older women!”

Does my browser know something about me I don’t?

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:59:38am

re: #8 HappyWarrior

What he did he realistically expect from this sad little rally? And who has a political rally on a Wednesday? Smack dab in the middle of the week.

You don’t expect Beck, Cruz, or Bachmann to give up their weekends?

Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:59:56am

If you count canes and wheelchairs as people, it could well have been in the thousands.

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:00:22am

Speaking of super-villains, Koch front group gloats over SNAP vote.

JUST in - #FarmBill FAILS. 195-234. Thank you to those Members of Congress who stopped this giant welfare bill!
— AFP (@AFPhq) June 20, 2013

piratedan Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:00:57am

well good on Mr. Hoft for being right about something, stopped clock and all of that. TY Charles for going ahead and owning the picture mistake, something that these tools will never do because they’re always right about everything all the time.

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:01:10am

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

Speaking of super-villains, Koch front group gloats over SNAP vote.

“WE FUCKED THE POOR AGAIN! HUZZAH!”

erik_t Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:01:14am

In fairness to Jim Hoft, I doubt he can count much higher than “hundreds”.

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:02:11am

Pamela is unhinged over the Hope Not Hate petition.

Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:02:16am

Ha Lex Luthor. Yeah, I notice they always write things that sound like a ransom note.

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:02:16am

re: #10 Kragar

You don’t expect Beck, Cruz, or Bachmann to give up their weekends?

Yeah true.

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:02:27am

In a James Bond movie, the Koch Brothers would be living in a hollowed out mountain or an undersea dome.

piratedan Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:02:50am

re: #10 Kragar

hell it’s get out of work early day for those folks, why stay inside and do the business of the folks that elected you when you can go outside and play!

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:02:53am

re: #15 erik_t

In fairness to Jim Hoft, I doubt he can count much higher than “hundreds”.

He has hundreds of toes?

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:03:09am

re: #15 erik_t

In fairness to Jim Hoft, I doubt he can count much higher than “hundreds”.

I imagine he has trouble counting past ten if he has pants on.

GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:03:16am

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

Pamela is unhinged ~~over the Hope Not Hate petition~~.

Really, is there a need to provide a reason? And is there ever a time when she’s, shall we say, “hinged”?

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:04:30am

re: #23 GeneJockey

Really, is there a need to provide a reason? And is there ever a time when she’s, shall we say, “hinged”?

You’re right, it would be breaking news of Pamela was hinged, coherent and on the handle.

GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:05:07am

re: #19 Kragar

In a James Bond movie, the Koch Brothers would be living in a hollowed out mountain or an undersea dome.

Petting a cat.

“Do you expect them to WORK, Koch?”

“No, Mr. Bond. I expect them to die.”

Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:05:42am

re: #25 GeneJockey

Petting a cat.

“Do you expect them to WORK, Koch?”

“NoYes, Mr. Bond, for long hours at low wages in bad conditions, and then I expect them to die.”

engineer cat Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:05:44am

why is it possible for gop officeholders to propogate these two outrageous lies:

- illegal immigrants come here from mexico and instantly get on “welfare”

- people on food stamps are all working age adults who have turned down jobs

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:05:52am

Pamela is speaking at an EDL hatefest and she has the nerve to call her opponents “nazis”. What a chutzpah.

Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer To Speak At EDL Rally In Woolwich, Goons and Haters Call For UK Entry Ban: If yo… http://t.co/ifT6j0xxr2
— Pamela Geller (@pamelageller) June 20, 2013

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:06:20am

re: #19 Kragar

In a James Bond movie, the Koch Brothers would be living in a hollowed out mountain or an undersea dome.

Who says they don’t?

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:07:01am

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

Who says they don’t?

True.

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:07:33am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

Pamela is speaking at an EDL hatefest and she has the nerve to call her opponents “nazis”. What a chutzpah.

I wonder if the EDL members get confused when she does that. Really she has some nerve calling people who oppose her Nazis when she aligns herself with actual Nazi sympathizers. Stupid witch.

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:08:52am

re: #27 engineer cat

why is it possible for gop officeholders to propogate these two outrageous lies:

- illegal immigrants come here from mexico and instantly get on “welfare”

- people on food stamps are all working age adults who have turned down jobs

The same reason people believed Reagan’s welfare queen bs. People want to believe that there are moochers. Of course, these are the same people who don’t turn a shoulder if they hear about a CEO giving himself a bonus ten or in extreme cases 50 times the median income.

GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:09:02am

re: #27 engineer cat

why is it possible for gop officeholders to propogate these two outrageous lies:

- illegal immigrants come here from mexico and instantly get on “welfare”

- people on food stamps are all working age adults who have turned down jobs

Let’s not forget

-Obama is to blame for there being no jobs,

AND

-there are plenty of jobs, poor people are just lazy.

Cognitive dissonance requires cognition.

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:09:42am

re: #33 GeneJockey

Let’s not forget

-Obama is to blame for there being no jobs,

AND

-there are plenty of jobs, poor people are just lazy.

Cognitive dissonance requires cognition.

or that
- cutting taxes for the wealthy benefits everyone. Even though Supply-Side economics has been proven to be well bullshit.

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:09:56am

NO JOBS!
Why are all these recruiters bothering me, then?

There are no jobs now and they want to add 30 million unskilled workers to the workforce!! #rednationrising #tcot #TGDN #uniteblue #msnbc
— YoungConservative (@steve0423) June 20, 2013

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:10:21am

Oh. No jobs that “Young Conservative” qualified for.

ratso4747 Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:10:46am

re: #13 piratedan

Actually, Charlie was wrong about nearly everything. The hat is not a confederate hat. It is a US Army hat. The photo is wrong. The Nazi allegations are wrong. There is nothing extolling National Socialism or Hitler. Charlie should just take down the whole thing. He is sounding like the administration who go from one excuse and lie to another without ever admitting that they are out to lunch. A little fact checking might help.

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:11:05am

Fuckers.

We told them — glad they listened. #FarmBillFAIL pic.twitter.com/F1s7WZCWOz
— Heritage Foundation (@Heritage) June 20, 2013

Bulworth Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:11:33am

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

Wait…”no jobs now”!?1!1

I thought there were plenty of jobs for “people who really want to work.”

Also, too: 30 million unskilled workers….??

Wonder where that number comes from?

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:11:35am

Incoming!

GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:12:00am

re: #34 HappyWarrior

or that
- cutting taxes for the wealthy benefits everyone. Even though Supply-Side economics has been proven to be well bullshit.

Oh, it’s even crazier than that:

- cutting tax rates increases tax revenues.

- America is overtaxed when taxes are as low as they’ve been since WWII.

Randall Gross Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:13:08am

I predict that more people will view this post than attended the Tea Party Rally.

Bulworth Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:14:00am

So, the anti-immigration “rally” was a bust then? That’s sure something wingnuts can be proud of….

gunnison Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:14:12am

Heh
Nice try Charles.
You seem to forget that Hoft is an award winning journalist.

Obviously the photo from TDB shows just a smidgen of the crowd, which I counted meticulously - including the ones in the background, whom one at first might imagine to be turistas taking in the sights, but upon closer examination it’s perfectly clear they are hurrying to join this important and inspiring gathering.

Anyway, the remaining 14,287 people are out of frame to the left and right, and I defy you to prove otherwise.
Did I mention that Hoft is an award winning journalist?
You’re out of your league, brother, and your pitiful attempts to save face are embarrassingly transparent.

piratedan Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:14:43am

re: #37 ratso4747

Charlie self corrected on the hat during the thread, the Nazi imagery is accurately portrayed.

Jim Hoft is a tool and the Tea Party are ignorant minions crafted by those social mad scientists the Koch Bothers and Roger Ailes.

Bulworth Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:15:35am

re: #38 Vicious Babushka

Some of the libs on my Twitters didn’t want the bill to pass either. They say it cut Food Stamps too much.

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:16:35am

IRSS posters displayed. Because paying income tax is just like genocide. Fucking idiot.

Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:16:52am

re: #37 ratso4747

Charles corrected the hat. Jim Hoft never corrects a damn thing and neither do the folks over at Breitbart. “Friends of Hamas,” the BS about the DHS getting 2,000 “tanks,” the “1.6 billion bullets” conspiracy theories, and on and on.

kirkspencer Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:17:04am

re: #41 GeneJockey

Oh, it’s even crazier than that:

- cutting tax rates increases tax revenues.

- America is overtaxed when taxes are as low as they’ve been since WWII.

Yeah. For these people the laffer curve is a straight line. Oh, and it’s only about businesses revenues. Idiots.

Sionainn Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:17:15am

There were more people at the Obama rally I attended.

Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:17:16am

re: #37 ratso4747

Actually, Charlie was wrong about nearly everything. The hat is not a confederate hat. It is a US Army hat. The photo is wrong. The Nazi allegations are wrong. There is nothing extolling National Socialism or Hitler. Charlie should just take down the whole thing. He is sounding like the administration who go from one excuse and lie to another without ever admitting that they are out to lunch. A little fact checking might help.

This is the new, incredibly stupid wingnut talking point. You point out that Tea Partiers frequently employ Nazi imagery to smear the President and the government in general, and they yell, “But they’re not EXTOLLING Nazis! Hah! Gotcha, libtard!”

Of course, no one ever said they were. They’re using Nazi and Holocaust imagery to smear their enemies - and that’s apparently just fine with them.

darthstar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:18:04am

Did I hear that the Farm Bill failed? You’re doing a heckuva job Boner…erm…Boehner.

darthstar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:18:32am

The House Farm Bill is DEFEATED, 195-234. NO CUTS TO FOOD STAMPS!
— Michael Skolnik (@MichaelSkolnik) June 20, 2013

Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:19:36am

(P.S. I knew what this one was about as soon as I saw the username.)

Targetpractice Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:20:32am

re: #52 darthstar

Did I hear that the Farm Bill failed? You’re doing a heckuva job Boner…erm…Boehner.

It’s why he didn’t bring it to a vote last year, because he didn’t want to go into the elections with this hanging over the party.

Interesting Times Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:20:51am

re: #44 gunnison

On second thought…

Image: 2291482-not_sure_if_serious.jpg

b.d. Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:21:09am

There woulda been more people there but they were already sent to the FEMA camps.

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:21:25am

Why are Koch & Heritage cerebrating if Farm Bill went down in flames? Did they think Food Stamps got voted down?

Targetpractice Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:22:02am

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

Why are Koch & Heritage cerebrating if Farm Bill went down in flames? Did they think Food Stamps got voted down?

They don’t think it cut enough.

darthstar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:22:21am

re: #55 Targetpractice

It’s why he didn’t bring it to a vote last year, because he didn’t want to go into the elections with this hanging over the party.

The cuts to SNAP were unforgivable. I’m glad it failed.

Bulworth Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:22:45am

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

Maybe they thought there was too much food stamps.

Why is Food Stamp welfare 150% of the Farm Bill??1!!!!111

darthstar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:23:03am

re: #59 Targetpractice

They don’t think it cut enough.

President Obama’s going to veto it if they pass it with cuts to food stamps.

Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:23:39am

re: #37 ratso4747

Do you really, really not get that’s what’s being objected to is using Nazi imagery to smear the IRS as Nazis?

How can you miss that?

freetoken Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:24:14am

re: #63 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

How can you miss that?

Practice?

Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:25:10am

re: #63 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Do you really, really not get that’s what’s being objected to is using Nazi imagery to smear the IRS as Nazis?

How can you miss that?

I got this talking point thrown at me yesterday on Twitter over and over. It’s their new canned response, even stupider than the old flat denials.

They know they can’t get away with denying it any more, so they came up with this to try to hoodwink gullible people.

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:25:40am

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

NO JOBS!
Why are all these recruiters bothering me, then?

I just applied for a new job up in LA. So I guess some people are looking.

darthstar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:25:49am

Pelosi rejects GOP claim that she promised 40 votes on farm bill. “Absolutely not.”
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) June 20, 2013

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:26:12am

The “Food Stamp” program originated with agricultural surpluses, in which the government purchased food from the farmers and then gave it to the needy.

Today the farmers are mostly Big Ag and the surplus they produce is mostly HFCS.

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:26:19am

re: #37 ratso4747

Actually, Charlie was wrong about nearly everything. The hat is not a confederate hat. It is a US Army hat. The photo is wrong. The Nazi allegations are wrong. There is nothing extolling National Socialism or Hitler. Charlie should just take down the whole thing. He is sounding like the administration who go from one excuse and lie to another without ever admitting that they are out to lunch. A little fact checking might help.

Wow you are fucking dense. First off, Charles corrected the bit about the hat after it was brought to attention that it was in fact a US Army hat and no one has called them Nazis. We’ve been calling them out for comparing the IRS to the Nazis but you knew that already dumb nut.

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:26:51am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

I got this talking point thrown at me yesterday on Twitter over and over. It’s their new canned response, even stupider than the old flat denials.

They know they can’t get away with denying it any more, so they came up with this to try to hoodwink gullible people.

Rinse, distract, and repeat.

jaunte Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:27:06am

Start with trivializing the Nazis; then cheering about poor people going hungry doesn’t look so bad.

darthstar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:27:10am

How's that Hastert Rule working for you, @SpeakerBoehner? #FarmBillFail If you want something passed, better work with @NancyPelosi
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) June 20, 2013

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:27:15am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

“You guys seem to call everyone you disagree with Nazis.”

“STOP CALLING US NAZIS.”

“I didn’t. I said you like to call other people Nazis.”

“SO YOU’RE COMPARING US TO NAZIS? FASCIST!”

Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:27:46am

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

NO JOBS!
Why are all these recruiters bothering me, then?

I’ve worked a lot of lower wage jobs and I can tell you a lot of people who do that work are anything but “unskilled”. Just ask the people who gave up picking crops in the fields after half a day.

erik_t Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:28:10am

re: #44 gunnison

Hint to a few of you: I’m preeeeeetty sure this is parody.

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:28:59am

re: #73 Kragar

“You guys seem to call everyone you disagree with Nazis.”

“STOP CALLING US NAZIS.”

“I didn’t. I said you like to call other people Nazis.”

“SO YOU’RE COMPARING US TO NAZIS? FASCIST!”

Pretty much. I don’t think they’re Nazis at all. Hell I think if anything they’re very ignorant of what the Nazis actually were. Only an ignorant dumbass compares the IRS scandal to the SS.

Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:28:59am

re: #75 erik_t

Hint to a few of you: I’m preeeeeetty sure this is parody.

Good ‘un, too.

b.d. Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:30:03am

re: #67 darthstar

40 Dems votes still = Fail

They already did have 24 Dem votes and it failed 195-234

Interesting Times Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:30:20am

re: #75 erik_t

Hint to a few of you: I’m preeeeeetty sure this is parody.

Yes, I realized upon second read that I’d been Poe-law’d. Picture it in wingnut font or with a sarc tag, and then it makes perfect sense.

Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:30:30am

It’s sad that I can about guarantee the Immigration bill is going to be DOA in the House. Then after it fails, the GOP will blame it all on Obama and the Democrats.

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:30:32am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Pretty much. I don’t think they’re Nazis at all. Hell I think if anything they’re very ignorant of what the Nazis actually were. Only an ignorant dumbass compares the IRS scandal to the SS.

The wingnuts like to portray themselves as TEH VICTIMZ and so they will call the POTUS “Hitler” and gun control background checks “TEH NEW HOLOCAUST” and other hysterical hyperbole.

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:30:33am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Pretty much. I don’t think they’re Nazis at all. Hell I think if anything they’re very ignorant of what the Nazis actually were. Only an ignorant dumbass compares the IRS scandal to the SS.

I don’t think these guys are Nazis.

There is no way in hell these fucktards could get the trains to run on time.
///

Targetpractice Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:31:16am

re: #78 b.d.

40 Dems votes still = Fail

They already did have 24 Dem votes and it failed 195-234

“You promised me 40 votes!”
“You LOST 64!!!”

jaunte Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:31:26am

Coming soon: “You misidentified a hat, rendering your whole argument invalid!”
— Kragar, yesterday

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:31:30am

What a dumbass.

What do food stamps have to do with agriculture?
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) June 20, 2013

erik_t Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:31:52am

re: #79 Interesting Times

Yes, I realized upon second read that I’d been Poe-law’d. Picture it in wingnut font or with a sarc tag, and then it makes perfect sense.

The sooper-strength analysis of distant tourists was an excellent turn of phrase. It might have gotten by me otherwise.

Everyone upding the hatchling for a job well done.

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:32:31am

re: #85 Vicious Babushka

What a dumbass.

Quiet Benny. Grown ups talking.

Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:32:33am

re: #85 Vicious Babushka

What a dumbass.

Even an 8th grader would call Shapiro a dumbass for that comment.

freetoken Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:32:40am

re: #85 Vicious Babushka

What a dumbass.

Yet another practiced dumbass.

Bulworth Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:32:49am

new wingnut meme

Not one penny cent for Food Stamp welfare fraud!!!!11!!!111!!!

Bulworth Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:33:51am

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

Hey, we’re the victims here!!

engineer cat Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:35:09am

re: #37 ratso4747

A little fact checking might help.

the entire republican party could stand to become acquainted with the existence of facts

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:35:14am

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

The wingnuts like to portray themselves as TEH VICTIMZ and so they will call the POTUS “Hitler” and gun control background checks “TEH NEW HOLOCAUST” and other hysterical hyperbole.

Right as I said ignorant about the reality of what was the Third Reich.

Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:35:34am

That tweet from FreedomWorks Panda would have been even better if instead of “6 thousand” it had said “600%”.

jaunte Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:35:50am

re: #85 Vicious Babushka

What a dumbass.

He knows his audience.

GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:36:06am

re: #85 Vicious Babushka

What a dumbass.

What does he think agriculture is?

Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:37:52am

re: #96 GeneJockey

@benshapiro Is this your first time encountering the idea of food or something?
— Tom Benson (@TamOBedlam) June 20, 2013

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:39:17am

re: #94 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

That tweet from FreedomWorks Panda would have been even better if instead of “6 thousand” it had said “600%”.

Jim Hoft’s scouter reads the crowd at being over 9000.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:39:32am

re: #96 GeneJockey

What does he think agriculture is?

Agriculture is the family farm, where the kids get up at dawn to feed the chickens and milk the cows before walking a mile down the dirt road to catch a yellow schoolbus to the red, one-room schoolhouse.

Dad rides the tractor while mom tends to the household chores, taking a midmorning break to read some inspirational Bible verses which she will recite and explain to the children when they come home from school.

100

Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:40:51am

re: #97 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

As the President said, “this farm bill is compassionate.” The new law allows legal immigrants residing in the U.S. for five years to become eligible for food stamp assistance.

That president was George W. Bush.

georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov

101

Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:41:32am

re: #99 Sol Berdinowitz

Agriculture is the family farm, where the kids get up at dawn to feed the chickens and milk the cows before walking a mile down the dirt road to catch a yellow schoolbus to the red, one-room schoolhouse.

Dad rides the tractor while mom tends to the household chores, taking a midmorning break to read some inspirational Bible verses which she will recite and explain to the children when they come home from school.

And come evening, dad spanks mom into some good Biblically approved discipline to enforce gender roles.
/

102

Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:42:10am

OT, this doesn’t look good:

Natural causes “all but ruled out” in Colorado wildfire. http://t.co/ruzbqb0l1f
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) June 20, 2013

Investigation into origin of Black Forest is narrowed to 28-square-foot area, sheriff says - @denverpost http://t.co/Bvv215Tl7L
— Breaking News Storm (@breakingstorm) June 20, 2013

103

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:43:19am

re: #100 Gus

As the President said, “this farm bill is compassionate.” The new law allows legal immigrants residing in the U.S. for five years to become eligible for food stamp assistance.

That president was George W. Bush.

georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov

File this under things I’d never would have said as a teenager in the Bush years but “The GOP needs to take lessons from George W. Bush.”

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erik_t Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:43:26am

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

OT, this doesn’t look good:

Well, on the other hand, it looks great. If some shithead burned down a big chunk of forest and destroyed property and lives, I want him nailed.

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GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:43:31am

re: #73 Kragar

“You guys seem to call everyone you disagree with Nazis.”

“STOP CALLING US NAZIS.”

“I didn’t. I said you like to call other people Nazis.”

“SO YOU’RE COMPARING US TO NAZIS? FASCIST!”

You know who else used ‘Nazi’ as an insult?

No, not Hitler.
//

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Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:43:33am

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

OT, this doesn’t look good:

Wasn’t the last big fire out there caused by some shooters?

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Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:43:51am

This bill is also a compassionate bill. This law means that legal immigrants can now receive help and food stamps after being here for five years. It means that you can have an elderly farm worker, somebody here legally in America who’s worked hard to make a living and who falls on hard times, that person can receive help from a compassionate government.

George W. Bush (2002)

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GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:45:08am

re: #99 Sol Berdinowitz

Agriculture is the family farm, where the kids get up at dawn to feed the chickens and milk the cows before walking a mile down the dirt road to catch a yellow schoolbus to the red, one-room schoolhouse.

Dad rides the tractor while mom tends to the household chores, taking a midmorning break to read some inspirational Bible verses which she will recite and explain to the children when they come home from school.

Oh, right - the REAL AMERICA. Not the fake America where all the actual Americans live.

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lawhawk Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:45:22am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Of course, no one ever said they were. They’re using Nazi and Holocaust imagery to smear their enemies - and that’s apparently just fine with them.

I think the much more offensive problem with their use of Nazi imagery is that it devalues the horrors of what the Nazis actually did - the actual systematic murder of an entire race because of a claimed need to purify the races of the Jewish threat and to spread Aryan values. Oh, and setting the European continent afire with violence on a scale never before witnessed.

Substituting the “SS” symbols for S in IRS isn’t some clever play on words, but an attempt to link what the IRS is and does with fascists and Nazis.

There’s no comparing the IRS to the Nazi regime. The TP using Nazi imagery to smear their enemies is itself a tactic that Goebbels himself would have been proud of.

What’s particularly troublesome is that the IRS is actually taxation with representation. Congress enacted the taxing system with the IRS responsible for the administration and collection. When the IRS attempted to follow the law (enacted by Congress and the President) on whether entities qualified for tax breaks, the TP went nuts claiming they were singled out - and singled out because the WH was pushing these actions.

Of course, that whole angle - that the WH was ultimately behind the call to put the squeeze on TP entities - is pure fantasy as Cummings’ release of full transcripts shows. But the TP will continue to hold to the Issa fabrications based on partial releases of testimony that shows the IRS in the worst possible light.

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piratedan Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:45:24am

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

maybe someone wanted to plan a wedding but couldn’t lease the bulldozers…//

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wrenchwench Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:46:24am

re: #107 Gus

This bill is also a compassionate bill. This law means that legal immigrants can now receive help and food stamps after being here for five years. It means that you can have an elderly farm worker, somebody here legally in America who’s worked hard to make a living and who falls on hard times, that person can receive help from a compassionate government.

George W. Bush (2002)

How is denying food stamps to LEGAL immigrants for five years ‘compassionate’?

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Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:47:15am

re: #111 wrenchwench

How is denying food stamps to LEGAL immigrants for five years ‘compassionate’?

They’re being taught a valuable lesson in self reliance!
/

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GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:48:28am

re: #111 wrenchwench

How is denying food stamps to LEGAL immigrants for five years ‘compassionate’?

Well, it’s more compassionate then denying them to legal immigrants forever.
//

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Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:49:05am

re: #111 wrenchwench

How is denying food stamps to LEGAL immigrants for five years ‘compassionate’?

Don’t know but I haven’t read the current bill nor do I know what the current regulations are on this.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:49:19am

Amuses me that they’re complaining about “being called Nazis” when they love to call their opponents Nazis. I’ll say it in simple English here. I don’t think the Tea Party and like-minded groups are like Nazis. I think they’re very ignorant of what the Nazis were though and that’s why they’re demagogues. When you consider empathy as a Nazi trait as Glenn Beck once did, you’re an idiot. I worry far more frankly about idiots controlling the national debate than Nazis.

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lawhawk Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:50:48am

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

You’d be surprised at how many wildfires are the result of people improperly suppressing campfires, which appears to be the case with the fire outside Yosemite. Others are the result of arsonists. Still others are naturally occurring - lightning strikes being the most common.

About 90% of all wildfires are caused by human actions (negligence, arson, etc.)

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wrenchwench Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:50:53am

re: #112 Kragar

They’re being taught a valuable lesson in self reliance!
/

Oh, right.

Great Society programs enacted in the 1960s did more harm to African American families that the institution of slavery.

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freetoken Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:51:19am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I think they’re very ignorant ~~of what the Nazis were though~~ and that’s why they’re demagogues.

You could have saved yourself some typing.

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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:51:22am

DERP
Does this idiot really think that every car worth > $5000 is a BMW? WTF. You can’t even buy a 1998 Buick Century for < $5000
Idiot should go on autotrader.com to find out what GOOD used car costs.

@cheyannebiancab @politicususa Start w/ millions of con artists getting welfare.Maybe sell the BMW. drive a good used car buy own food.#tgdn
— Richard Rivette (@VoteRivette) June 20, 2013

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Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:51:24am

Non-Citizen Eligibility

You may be able to get SNAP if you are a legal immigrant. Most lawful permanent residents (green card holders) must wait 5 years before getting SNAP. There is no wait for children under 18, some people age 60, disabled people, or refugees and asylees. Some lawful permanent residents can get SNAP if they have enough work history or if they have a military connection.

If you are not eligible due to your immigration status, your legal immigrant or citizen children may qualify. Your SNAP worker should not ask you to provide immigration information about yourself when you apply for your legal immigrant or citizen children. Noncitizens who are in the U.S. temporarily, such as students, are not eligible.

Contact your local SNAP office to discuss your situation.

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Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:51:43am

There is no wait for children under 18, some people age 60, disabled people, or refugees and asylees.

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engineer cat Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:52:03am

the gop is getting bolder and bolder about pissing on the very concept of being compassionate

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Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:52:30am

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Why does he hate bankers and oil company execs?

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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:53:02am

re: #117 wrenchwench

Oh, right.

How did I know who that was immediately? Seriously. If you think the Great Society social programs were worse than slavery. You need a fucking lobotomy. You can question their efficiency and effectiveness but do not cheapen the horrors of American slavery by saying they were worse than them. I don’t care if F.W Jackson is African-American. That shit is wrong and only reinforces the idiots who believe the CSA was a noble cause.

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EPR-radar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:53:05am

re: #92 engineer cat

the entire republican party could stand to become acquainted with the existence of facts

If someone brings a fact to the 2016 GOP convention, the big shots and the entire crowd might all spontaneously combust.

It would be like shining the Goldfinger solar light weapon on a conclave of vampires.

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Bulworth Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:53:07am

re: #121 Gus

Who is this soshulist communist? He must be primaried!

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jaunte Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:53:25am

re: #122 engineer cat

As Jesus said, “You’re not my brother!”

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:54:05am

re: #127 jaunte

As Jesus said, “You’re not my brother!”

Jesus was not allowed to have brohters, his mom being a perpetual virgin…

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Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:54:27am

re: #126 Bulworth

Who is this soshulist communist? He must be primaried!

/

WHY DOESN’T THIS FARM BILL AMEND THOSE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS! SNAP SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE!!

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Bulworth Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:54:42am

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

Millions!!!!!!

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GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:55:04am

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

DERP

I’d LOVE for the folks who talk about ‘millions of con artists on welfare’ to DOCUMENT just how much fraud there actually is in welfare. But no - that’s empirical evidence. You don’t need that when you JUST KNOW that it’s true!

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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:55:45am

re: #131 GeneJockey

I’d LOVE for the folks who talk about ‘millions of con artists on welfare’ to DOCUMENT just how much fraud there actually is in welfare. But no - that’s empirical evidence. You don’t need that when you JUST KNOW that it’s true!

What you mean welfare fraud goes beyond a cheap Ronnie Reagan soundbite? nooooooooooo.

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Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:55:46am

re: #128 Sol Berdinowitz

Jesus was not allowed to have brohters, his mom being a perpetual virgin…

Its a well known fact that despite being married for years, Joseph and Mary never once performed the marriage act.

Saddlebacking was still okay though.

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piratedan Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:55:51am

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

what assholes like this need is a job… y’know government crusader of taxpayers dollars. Just go ahead and drop them off in downtown Trenton, give ‘em a clipboard and let them go out there and root out that government excess. If that doesn’t work, how about rural Mississippi, don’t use a car, be thrifty, use what the good lord gave ya and go door to door. Be sure to ask them about what jobs are available and why they haven’t got a job.

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:56:03am

Minutemen co-founder arrested on suspicion of child molestation

Passion for America getting the best of you again there, Chris?

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wrenchwench Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:56:15am

re: #129 Gus

WHY DOESN’T THIS FARM BILL AMEND THOSE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS! SNAP SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE!!

The bounty of our Nation must be used to feed our poor and those in need. No child in America should ever go hungry.
— John Lewis (@repjohnlewis) June 20, 2013

But adults…?

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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:56:16am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

File this under things I’d never would have said as a teenager in the Bush years but “The GOP needs to take lessons from George W. Bush.”

That’s something I’d never have said as a teenager in the Bush years either. But that’s partly because I was a teenager in the Nixon/Carter years.

Now if you’d get off my lawn, I’d be much obliged.

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Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:56:38am

So basically, W supported the same kind of “food stamp” thingy in the 2002 farm bill.

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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:56:59am

re: #134 piratedan

what assholes like this need is a job… y’know government crusader of taxpayers dollars. Just go ahead and drop them off in downtown Trenton, give ‘em a clipboard and let them go out there and root out that government excess. If that doesn’t work, how about rural Mississippi, don’t use a car, be thrifty, use what the good lord gave ya and go door to door. Be sure to ask them about what jobs are available and why they haven’t got a job.

Or they can come here to Detroit, which has been

DESTROYED BY YEARS OF LIBRULZ!!111

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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:57:03am

A good percentage of those on Welfare a children under the age of 13. Yeah teach them a lesson in personal responsibility for being stupid enough to being born into poverty! Swear the whole mantra of modern conservatism is “Fuck you if you’re not well off and if you dare to be not straight or christian, fuck you too.” It’s the fuck you party.

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Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:57:12am

re: #136 wrenchwench

But adults…?

“There is no wait for children under 18, some people age 60, disabled people, or refugees and asylees.”

Current SNAP.

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lawhawk Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:57:51am

Urban versus rural reliance on SNAP - rural dependence is much higher.

Individuals living in urban areas participate at lower rates: in 2010, they had a participation rate of 72.9 percent versus 85.6 percent for those in rural areas. This differential—now, more than 12 percentage points—has grown in recent years. It was less than 5 percentage points during 2003 and 2004. Going back to 1997 and earlier, eligibles in urban areas actually participated at higher rates than eligibles in rural areas. In 1995, for instance, the urban participation rate was 77.8 percent, compared with a rural rate of 65.5 percent.

So, considering that urban areas tend to go Democratic and rural areas lean towards the GOP, the attacks on SNAP would actually harm the GOP base even more than Democrats.

And the proposals to end SNAP eligibility for those who have cars would likely affect those in rural areas even more than urban areas - where people have more transit options (mass transit) to get to work or obtain food. What the GOPers propose is a double whammy - to many of their own supposed core constituents.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:58:02am

re: #136 wrenchwench

But adults…?

I’m sure Lewis agrees with that too.

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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:58:03am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

A good percentage of those on Welfare a children under the age of 13. Yeah teach them a lesson in personal responsibility for being stupid enough to being born into poverty! Swear the whole mantra of modern conservatism is “Fuck you if you’re not well off and if you dare to be not straight or christian, fuck you too.” It’s the fuck you party.

THEY SHOULD LEARN THE VALUE OF HARD WORK BY SCRUBBING OUT THE SCHOOL TOILETS!!11!!

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Kragar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:58:23am

The GOP seems to be under the impression that the people of the United States must be punished every day a Republican isn’t the President.

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GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:58:23am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

A good percentage of those on Welfare a children under the age of 13. Yeah teach them a lesson in personal responsibility for being stupid enough to being born into poverty! Swear the whole mantra of modern conservatism is “Fuck you if you’re not well off and if you dare to be not straight or christian, fuck you too.” It’s the fuck you party.

Which is not nearly as fun as it sounds.
//

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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:59:03am

re: #146 GeneJockey

Which is not nearly as fun as it sounds.
//

Ha, yep.

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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:59:17am

re: #145 Kragar

The GOP seems to be under the impression that the people of the United States must be punished every day a Republican isn’t the President.

“A little suffering is good for the soul! Namely your suffering, peon!”

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GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:59:17am

re: #145 Kragar

The GOP seems to be under the impression that the people of the United States must be punished every day a Republican isn’t the President.

Only the poor ones. Or the non-white ones. Or those unfortunates who don’t have a Y chromosome.

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piratedan Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:00:06pm

re: #145 Kragar

it’s their collective burden for not voting GOP

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Sionainn Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:00:14pm

re: #131 GeneJockey

I’d LOVE for the folks who talk about ‘millions of con artists on welfare’ to DOCUMENT just how much fraud there actually is in welfare. But no - that’s empirical evidence. You don’t need that when you JUST KNOW that it’s true!

I’ve seen so many people who claim they know people who are gaming the system. When I ask them why they haven’t reported them, they have all sorts of excuses. They shut up when I post the link to whatever state agency handles welfare fraud where they live. Imagine that.

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Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:00:39pm

1996 Welfare Reform and subsequent amendments

…eliminating eligibility to food stamps of most legal immigrants who had been in the country less than five years…

Bill Clinton

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GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:00:44pm

re: #150 piratedan

it’s their collective burden for not voting GOP

The NON-White Man’s burden.

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:00:45pm

re: #150 piratedan

it’s their collective burden for not voting GOP

They only voted Democrat to get Free Stuff, so the GOP has to teach them that there is no free lunch in the Land of the Free.

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Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:01:24pm

So, Bill Clinton signed off on the 5 year thing.

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Sionainn Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:01:26pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

But adults…?

Those same assholes don’t want to feed hungry children, either. They like to blame parents for kids they couldn’t afford to feed.

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wrenchwench Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:02:20pm

re: #141 Gus

“There is no wait for children under 18, some people age 60, disabled people, or refugees and asylees.”

Current SNAP.

The kernel of truth in EW[acko] Jackson’s statement

the programs that began in the ’60s, the programs that began to tell women that “you don’t need a man in the home, the government will take care of you,” that and began to tell men, “you don’t need to be in the home, the government will take care of this woman and take care of these children.” That’s when the black family began to deteriorate.

…is that benefits are easier to get for single mothers than for intact families. The idea that adults only deserve help if they have children is mean. Sure, take care of the children first, but single men are pretty bereft of options sometimes. Not that you would know anything about that. //////////////

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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:02:25pm

The GOP are the party who tell you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps but then they break the bootstrap and tell you that they won’t help you buy new ones because it was your own damn fault that they broke the bootstrap in the first place.

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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:02:31pm

re: #151 Sionainn

I’ve seen so many people who claim they know people who are gaming the system. When I ask them why they haven’t reported them, they have all sorts of excuses. They shut up when I post the link to whatever state agency handles welfare fraud where they live. Imagine that.

They are probably getting all those chain emails of urban myths like FOOD STAMPS USED TO BUY STEAK & LOBSTER!!11!! (Snopes tracked this one to a store in Michigan where somebody actually did buy steak & lobster with a STOLEN EBT CARD)

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piratedan Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:03:23pm

re: #153 GeneJockey

I dunno, I sense the GOP is perfectly willing to write off the poors regardless of pigmentation, it’s just that they effectively play the race card to keep gathering the redneck vote

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Gus Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:05:46pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

The kernel of truth in EW[acko] Jackson’s statement

…is that benefits are easier to get for single mothers than for intact families. The idea that adults only deserve help if they have children is mean. Sure, take care of the children first, but single men are pretty bereft of options sometimes. Not that you would know anything about that. //////////////

It appears that Republicans were generally cooperative in the past. There were cut-backs during the Reagan years. Now it appears that the TGOP is hell bent on eliminating the whole program.

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darthstar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:06:37pm

Beyond parody- Kurtz get canned by CNN for being a hack, and Fox News says “MY KINDA GUY.” #ourfailedmediaexperiment
— John Cole (@Johngcole) June 20, 2013

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GeneJockey Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:11:02pm

re: #151 Sionainn

I’ve seen so many people who claim they know people who are gaming the system. When I ask them why they haven’t reported them, they have all sorts of excuses. They shut up when I post the link to whatever state agency handles welfare fraud where they live. Imagine that.

They’re obsessed with the possibility that someone, somewhere, is getting money they don’t deserve. But it would never occur to them that incredibly rich people, getting incredibly richer, are undeserving. No, it’s poor people who are getting undeserved riches.

But it’s not just fraud. It’s that the poor aren’t being punished sufficiently for whatever they did wrong to make them poor. I once had a discussion with a Conservative about this. He told me about someone who worked in the same office as his wife. When she was young, she’d gotten pregnant out of wedlock, dropped out of school, had another kid out of wedlock, and was living on welfare. Then she went back and got her GED, and then got Pell Grants to go to college, which allowed her to get this job.

I said ‘That’s a success story. With our help, she change herself from dependency to a contributor, a tax payer.’

No, he was still scandalized that SHE NEVER PAID ALL THAT MONEY BACK!!!!!

See, it’s all about punishment with them. No reproductive rights for women - they must be PUNISHED for being sexual. Obtaining welfare, food stamps, even unemployment benefits must be made as shaming as possible, because if you need those things you must be BAD!!

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wrenchwench Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:12:03pm

re: #161 Gus

It appears that Republicans were generally cooperative in the past. There were cut-backs during the Reagan years. Now it appears that the TGOP is hell bent on eliminating the whole program.

And Bill Clinton did the dirty work of ‘welfare reform’ because Democrats are good at compromise. I wish they weren’t so good at it. No good can come from compromise with the TPGOP. As I’m afraid we’ll see with the immigration bill.

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EPR-radar Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:15:04pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

And Bill Clinton did the dirty work of ‘welfare reform’ because Democrats are good at compromise. I wish they weren’t so good at it. No good can come from compromise with the TPGOP. As I’m afraid we’ll see with the immigration bill.

Since the GOP can’t take yes for an answer these days, the horrible concessions to the Senate GOP in the immigration bill are likely to all become moot points when the House GOP kills it.

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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Jun 20, 2013 12:42:18pm

re: #165 EPR-radar

Since the GOP can’t take yes for an answer these days, the horrible concessions to the Senate GOP in the immigration bill are likely to all become moot points when the House GOP kills it.

Though the Senate did vote to table Cornyn’s amendment to make the security requirements tougher and to be completed and verified before anything else could proceed. Widely viewed as a poison pill.

Though I expect that if included the GOP would manage to add all the additional fencing and security, fund it, and then change the bill to avoid having to enact the rest of the plan.

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John Vreeland Thu, Jun 20, 2013 2:58:58pm

I walked by, without my camera this time, alas. I was too tired (from walking) to stop and stare but Wednesday performances are always lightly attended. If there were one thousand people hiding there I would be astonished, it looked more like a little over half that. But of course, it was Wednesday.

Seriously that is really good exercise. I used to gather shots of all the demonstrations.

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ratso4747 Thu, Jun 20, 2013 3:30:22pm

For gosh sakes, what is wrong with this guy? He blew it and failed to check his erroneous posting and instead of admitting it, he rants and raves against those who point out that he just flunked journalism 101. Anyone with an ounce of courage would retract the original posting and admit that they were negligent at the least and intentionally misleading at the worst. I mean a confederate hat? The wrong protest? Admit you were out to lunch on this one and try harder next time. Everyone makes mistakes but rationalizing them only makes it worse.

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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 20, 2013 3:50:19pm

Dead thread wingnut hero — denied!

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