Snowden’s Sudden Departure From Hong Kong: Because He Feared Losing His Internet Connection

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Tonight we learn that one of the main reasons NSA leaker Edward Snowden suddenly decided to get out of Hong Kong was because he was afraid of losing his Internet connection.

A person familiar with Mr. Snowden’s case said his decision to get on a flight to Moscow was “very sudden,” made only in the day before departing. The decision was made in consultation with WikiLeaks, which encouraged Mr. Snowden to leave the city after communicating with others about his options abroad, the person said.

“He is very independent, but also very willing to listen to advice,” the person said, adding that Mr. Snowden was concerned that any further delay would result in his detainment by Hong Kong authorities. In part, Mr. Snowden’s determination to leave Hong Kong was based on the fear of losing access to the Internet—his vital link to the rest of the world—should he be detained, the person said.

In other news, it’s very likely that China already made copies of Snowden’s laptops, and had no more need of him: China Said to Have Made Call to Let Leaker Depart.

Mr. Snowden has denied giving China classified documents and said he had spoken only to journalists. But his public statements, directly and to reporters, have contained intelligence information of great interest to China.

Two Western intelligence experts, who worked for major government spy agencies, said they believed that the Chinese government had managed to drain the contents of the four laptops that Mr. Snowden said he brought to Hong Kong, and that he said were with him during his stay at a Hong Kong hotel.

If that were the case, they said, China would no longer need or want to have Mr. Snowden remain in Hong Kong.

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391 comments
1 Gus  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:27:34pm

I Can Haz Snowden™ ©

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:27:38pm

The man is the definition of the word ‘Flake’.

3 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:29:24pm

I also find it hard to viegar without Internet at times, on the other hand I am not claiming to be a world famous whistle blower who is attempting to bring down a corrupt government so with all do respect gird your loins Snowden.

4 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:29:39pm

From downstairs.

re: #95 Charles Johnson
I’m almost starting to feel sorry for Snowden. He’s in way over his head.

He had to see how it went for Bradley Manning. Then figured he could do better by running to not one but two strategic competitors? Hmm.
Attempted suicide by geopolitics or something. Something really odd in his head.

5 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:30:07pm

Snowjob loves the attention, just not the consequences.

If he holes up in Ecuador long enough the story will just die down. What will he do then to get attention? Probably another stunt.

6 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:30:41pm
7 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:31:58pm

re: #3 jamesfirecat

I also find it hard to viegar without Internet at times, on the other hand I am not claiming to be a world famous whistle blower who is attempting to bring down a corrupt government so with all do respect gird your loins Snowden.

Yeah that.

8 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:33:04pm

Does he even speak Spanish?

9 Gus  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:33:57pm

re: #8 freetoken

Does he even speak Spanish?

Just Mandarin.

Allegedly.

10 darthstar  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:35:18pm
11 dragonath  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:36:33pm

You mean he wasn’t on a secret mission to retrieve the Solex death ray mechanism?

12 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:38:48pm

re: #9 Gus

So gringo Snow will need a translator quite often.

But, can haz internetz.

13 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:43:49pm

As I watch the demonstration of democracy American style, happening down in Austin, with all its glory, I wonder just what Snowden really must think he’s accomplishing.

I really can’t understand, unless it is nothing other than narcissism.

Our culture loves narcissists - “Realty TV” has given us all hope for a way to become famous.

14 jhrhv  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:45:37pm

Why would you take 4 laptops? You’re going on the run and you don’t put your data on a portable hard drive or usb stick or two maybe even a couple of phones with encrypted drives. Instead you opt for taking 4 laptops.

15 Stanghazi  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:45:50pm

Hey people. Just got here.

Checking internet and again, AGAIN see this crap.

5 year old finds gun, imagine what happens next.

16 jhrhv  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:46:45pm

BTW OT saw that Israel has hit Gaza for 6 rockets fired at the south today.

17 Kragar  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:47:45pm

DEVELOPING: Edward Snowden says he won’t buy a Xbox one if they don’t require 24hour online connection.
//

18 Gus  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:48:43pm

re: #16 jhrhv

BTW OT saw that Israel has hit Gaza for 6 rockets fired at the south today.

IDF needs to reword this.

19 jaunte  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:50:55pm
20 jhrhv  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:51:48pm

re: #18 Gus

What are you thinking?

21 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:52:14pm

re: #12 freetoken

So gringo Snow will need a translator quite often.

But, can haz internetz.

If he has Internet he has google translator.


Problem solved!

22 teleskiguy  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:52:51pm

After all the things I’ve read about this Snowden guy, I had to take to the public twitters and use salty language.

23 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:52:52pm

Yes folks, he puts pillows under the doors and a red hood on to avoid the US government finding him…but leaves 4 laptops of classified info on internet connections to the local authorities can pilfer at their leisure.

24 Gus  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:54:55pm

re: #20 jhrhv

What are you thinking?

Remove “mosque.”

25 Kragar  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:55:09pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

Yes folks, he puts pillows under the doors and a red hood on to avoid the US government finding him…but leaves 4 laptops of classified info on internet connections to the local authorities can pilfer at their leisure.

They had a towel over them. What more do you want?

26 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:55:38pm

re: #25 Kragar

They had a towel over them. What more do you want?

For him to get his ass to Mars.

//

27 jhrhv  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:56:08pm

re: #24 Gus

Remove “mosque.”

They did :D

28 jaunte  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:57:02pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

4 laptops of classified info on internet connections to the local authorities can pilfer at their leisure.

He probably asked the hotel to secure them in their safe.

29 Mattand  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:57:19pm

re: #25 Kragar

They had a towel over them. What more do you want?

I once was on the run from the FBI. Made a fort out of pillows and a blanket. They couldn’t find me for months.

30 jhrhv  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:58:20pm

Maybe the laptops were running XP that’s pretty safe right?

31 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 8:59:26pm

Watching the Texas legislature, though the Democrats are hoping to run out the clock, we all know it is not going to happen. The speaker will get the vote in before the legislature ends its special session.

In the meantime, the non-atavists are trying to bring up points that will make for the campaign issues, but the story will end just as the GOP speaker wants.

I don’t know if in 2014 that the Democratic party can take back either of the TX houses, but I doubt it. This is the long haul fight that will probably change in time, but it will take time.

32 Kragar  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:00:17pm

re: #28 jaunte

He probably asked the hotel to secure them in their safe.

“Tell the room service guys not to touch them.”

33 jaunte  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:06:47pm
34 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:08:31pm

re: #31 freetoken

Watching the Texas legislature, though the Democrats are hoping to run out the clock, we all know it is not going to happen. The speaker will get the vote in before the legislature ends its special session.

In the meantime, the non-atavists are trying to bring up points that will make for the campaign issues, but the story will end just as the GOP speaker wants.

I don’t know if in 2014 that the Democratic party can take back either of the TX houses, but I doubt it. This is the long haul fight that will probably change in time, but it will take time.

And note how they had to use a special session to get this stuff passed via simple majority since they didn’t have the votes to pass it in the regular session using the standard established rules for the Texas Legislature. So they did an end-around to pass a pile of social legislation rather than using the special session for something like an emergency as such rules for extra sessions are usually intended.

35 philosophus invidius  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:10:12pm

I noticed that Snowdon just turned 30. It seems to me unwise to let a 20-something have access to all this kind of information.

36 teleskiguy  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:11:20pm

Oh I lost a follower on Twitter! Striking a nerve.

37 Gus  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:11:35pm
38 Lidane  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:11:38pm

re: #31 freetoken

The cruelty on display by the Texas GOP tonight should make every Republican voter happy. It’s what they vote for, after all.

39 teleskiguy  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:13:02pm

They even sent me Tweets saying “Unfollow” and that I don’t know what I’m talking about! Heh.

40 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:15:40pm

re: #34 Feline Fearless Leader

Yes about the special session, but note that the final vote on this in the TX House will be large enough to make any hurdle. I think it was in the TX Senate where the super-majority was absent.

41 Gus  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:18:59pm

Doubt we’ll hear about this from Salon.

42 piratedan  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:29:24pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

no, he’s a sitting Senator from the great state of Arizona… //

43 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:30:43pm

re: #37 Gus

‘Militants’, Hell! Bunch of fucking Taliban did this. Way I see it, they just bought themselves a drone strike for every climber killed.

44 piratedan  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:31:21pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I believe that the standard internet tropes must be satisfied….so I have to respond with “pics, or it didn’t happen” //

45 Gus  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:34:39pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

‘Militants’, Hell! Bunch of fucking Taliban did this. Way I see it, they just bought themselves a drone strike for every climber killed.

Freedom fighters. That and the USS Liberty. It’s the Juice.

46 Belafon  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:35:08pm

I wonder if Snowden was becoming a threat to China by representing the ability to defy the government. What if people started thinking that all they had to do was steal stuff and release it to Glenn Greenwald. I wonder if he would take anything from a Chinese dissident.

47 piratedan  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:38:08pm

re: #46 Belafon

I wonder if Snowden was becoming a threat to China by representing the ability to defy the government. What if people started thinking that all they had to do was steal stuff and release it to Glenn Greenwald. I wonder if he would take anything from a Chinese dissident.

only if they knew who John Galt was and could show that they had donated to Ron Paul’s campaign to establish their bonafides… //

48 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:42:01pm

re: #46 Belafon

I wonder if Snowden was becoming a threat to China by representing the ability to defy the government. What if people started thinking that all they had to do was steal stuff and release it to Glenn Greenwald. I wonder if he would take anything from a Chinese dissident.

In fact, there is some talk among China experts along those lines. HK is not as independent as it once was, before the reunification. Big Daddy Beijing would have to approve any decision relating to national security, diplomacy and politics. Reuters has this interesting tidbit, that someone in the HK told Snowden that he was free to live HK — and that he should. The someone was unidentified, but I imagine it could have been from China’s foreign ministry (or its spy agencies) indirectly telling him the jig is up, and that he’d better blow town before the authorities follow through on the America extradition request.

Your point that Snowden could have given Chinese dissidents some ideas is well taken. The CPC does not want its citizens to rock the boat as hard as Snowden has.

49 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 9:57:48pm

Looking at the Texas Tribune blog on the abortion vote, one very Godly commentor left this little tidbit in an answer:

[…]


Liberals are the ones who worked hard to get rid of many of the orphanages in this country. Orphanages served children of parents who were still living but had problems with finances or alcohol found the institutions safer and better than life at home for those who parents could not take care of them . The anti-orphanage attitude that liberals and journalist took resulted in them being closed in favor of the foster care system but the evidence shows that children were better off before the government intervened.


[…]

BRING BACK ORPHANAGES!!

50 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:04:58pm

Looking at one of Texas’ largest newspapers, the Houston Chronicle, which has made a half-way decent transition to being an online media source, I am struck by the absence of the abortion debate, or much of anything of substance.

The front page is ladened with glitzy photos of scantily clad women, sports stories, sensationalist headlines, lots of entertainment links, and so forth.

What Americans want from the “news” - escapism and thrills.

That also explains Snowjob and GG.

51 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:08:33pm

re: #50 freetoken

Looking at one of Texas’ largest newspapers, the Houston Chronicle, which has made a half-way decent transition to being an online media source, I am struck by the absence of the abortion debate, or much of anything of substance.

The front page is ladened with glitzy photos of scantily clad women, sports stories, sensationalist headlines, lots of entertainment links, and so forth.

What Americans want from the “news” - escapism and thrills.

That also explains Snowjob and GG.

It’s also what the corporations and much of the government want - bread and circuses to distract the majority of the citizenry while they get on with personal profit.

52 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:09:11pm

re: #49 freetoken

Looking at the Texas Tribune blog on the abortion vote, one very Godly commentor left this little tidbit in an answer:

BRING BACK ORPHANAGES!!

My mom and her two brothers would have disagreed with that idea. My grandma died when Mom was 6 months old. At that time (1915), it was universally believed that a widower was incapable of raising his children alone. So, my uncles were sent to a boy’s home on Long Island and my mom was in an orphanage for years until she was fostered out as a teenager. Let’s just say none of them had very fond memories of rosy times in the orphanages.

53 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:09:45pm

The latest story on Snowden on CNN has this tag for the news aggregators: “NSA leaker Snowden flees Hong Kong”.

Flees!!

And yet we find out that HK wasn’t pushing Snowden out.

54 dragonath  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:10:15pm

re: #50 freetoken

Last time I went to a Texan newspaper site, all the ads were from oil companies and/or gun shows

55 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:10:57pm

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi

God wants orphanages.

So there.

56 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:13:51pm

re: #53 freetoken

The latest story on Snowden on CNN has this tag for the news aggregators: “NSA leaker Snowden flees Hong Kong”.

Flees!!

And yet we find out that HK wasn’t pushing Snowden out.

Nor were they encouraging him to stay. See my commentre: #48 wheat-dogghazi

57 dragonath  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:14:02pm

re: #55 freetoken

God wants orphanages.

So there.

Gun totin’, cigar smokin’ orphans.

58 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:17:15pm

re: #57 dragonath

Gun totin’, cigar smokin’ orphans.

wearin’ cowboy boots ‘n’ 10-gallon hats.

59 dragonath  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:20:30pm

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi

wearin’ cowboy boots ‘n’ 10-gallon hats.

God, that’s the plot of The Terror of Tiny Town

60 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:40:37pm

The Democrats are trying to tie up the TX house with parliamentary procedures. I doubt it will work, but it got the speaker to get up and have to do some book readin’.

61 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:51:47pm

It’s taking the speaker an extra long time to read something. Perhaps the TX Dems found something to trip the Republican majority. The question was over “calendars” and the rule for a strict construction of calendar rules. Don’t really know what it’s all about, but it came after midnight Austin time, so I am wondering if the argument is that the carriage has already turned back into a pumpkin.

62 Weet  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 11:02:14pm

Hero — Trey Martinez Fischer
This Democratic Texas Legislator is brilliant. He has stopped the proceedings on a Point of Order about the Calendar rules. This special session has been on hold for a good 30 minutes, if not more.

He may actually succeed in stopping this thing.

en.wikipedia.org

63 Timothy Watson  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 11:06:20pm

At what point do we get to just line him up against a wall?

64 Weet  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 11:19:10pm

re: #62 Weet

They finally overruled his point of order, with no explanation, I might add. But mission accomplished, as one of the goals is to slow down these proceedings.

65 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 11:22:28pm

re: #64 Weet

They are trying to run out the clock, but it appears the clock’s hands are stuck.

66 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 11:24:37pm

re: #63 Timothy Watson

WTF?

67 freetoken  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 11:26:04pm

re: #63 Timothy Watson

At what point do we get to just line him up against a wall?

Nah, what do you think those 30,000 guillotines are for?

68 Kragar  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 11:28:22pm

re: #63 Timothy Watson

At what point do we get to just line him up against a wall?

Do we need to put him in a police line up at this point?

69 Cheechako  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 11:47:06pm

pssst…let Snowden have internet and twitter access….makes it easier for NSA to track his where abouts.

70 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 23, 2013 11:47:21pm

I can imagine a lineup of four laptops at this point…

71 Weet  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:04:05am

re: #65 freetoken

They are trying to run out the clock, but it appears the clock’s hands are stuck.

Well, going through these amendments will take all night, at least. Too bad I cannot stay up to watch all of it due to other commitments.

Eventually the Republicans will pass it, and it will go to the Senate, where the Democrats will do the same thing. They have until Tuesday night to run out the clock. It’s still a possibility that the Democrats will succeed.

Note that the Republicans are offering no debate, and that the bill sponsor is not even there to answer questions. They simply vote to table every amendment.

“Gov. Rick Perry called the special session in May to adopt redistricting maps, but added abortion with only two weeks left before the session ends. …
House Democrats said they had a variety of methods to stall and possibly even kill the bills late Sunday. But if they do pass early Monday, the Senate must still vote on them Tuesday, giving Senate Democrats a chance to filibuster the bill until midnight.”

72 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:07:59am

all of which will be proof that Democrats are making it impossible to govern Texas, with its focus on creating a business atmosphere that grows jobs by…

keeping moms at home, barefoot and pregnant and making dads get to work!!!

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:17:37am

re: #8 freetoken

Does he even speak Spanish?

He’ll never need to.

74 Weet  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:19:04am

re: #72 Sol Berdinowitz

all of which will be proof that Democrats are making it impossible to govern Texas, with its focus on creating a business atmosphere that grows jobs by…

keeping moms at home, barefoot and pregnant and making dads get to work!!!

Texas is number 1 in repeat pregnancies for teenagers. We are number 1 in populations lacking health insurance. We are well on our way to that wonderful dream of dystopia that Republicans here want.
Texas is Number 1

75 freetoken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:20:07am

This one goes out to the Texas House:

MP3 Audio

76 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:35:15am

re: #74 Weet

re: #74 Weet

Texas is number 1 in repeat pregnancies for teenagers. We are number 1 in populations lacking health insurance. We are well on our way to that wonderful dream of dystopia that Republicans here want.
Texas is Number 1

That seems to be part of the GOP idea of the “traditional family”: Dad knocks mom up as a teenager, they both quit school, he goes to work to support the family.

77 teleskiguy  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:47:02am

Jeez Louise! Twitter folk came out of the woodwork over my “Snowden is a traitor” tweet. I’ve had my Twitter account since 2010 and tonight was the first time I’ve ever had to block people. After I blocked them, I would peruse their accounts. Sure enough, one guy called himself a red blooded right winger and another gal was a professed progressive.

Rand Paul/Bernie Sanders 2016!

78 Timothy Watson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:56:53am

re: #77 teleskiguy

Treason seems to be pretty popular nowadays.

A person that has already compromised our national security to one hostile country (China) is now on his way to another (Russia). What next, a trip to Iran, Syria, and North Korea?

79 freetoken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:06:50am

Changing gears (well, the whole drive-train):

MP3 Audio

80 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:00:22am

re: #78 Timothy Watson

Treason seems to be pretty popular nowadays.

A person that has already compromised our national security to one hostile country (China) is now on his way to another (Russia). What next, a trip to Iran, Syria, and North Korea?

We now have a new” grand Tour” which supplants the Grand Tour of the 18th century.

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:04:10am

re: #79 freetoken

Changing gears (well, the whole drive-train):

Sound of gears stripping and bits falling out onto road

82 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:40:24am

Still battling the 24 hour migraine.

you?

83 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:04:57am

Snowden is preparing to leave Moscow for Havana in about an hour from now. The Guardian’s Miriam Elder will be on the same plane. guardian.co.uk

Meanwhile, I just paged an article from Der Spiegel about Snowden’s Russian fanbase.

84 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:06:13am

Comparing Rape Kits to Abortion . Click the link if you want to know my thoughts on the matter.

85 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:16:31am

re: #84 FemNaziBitch

Comparing Rape Kits to Abortion . Click the link if you want to know my thoughts on the matter.

Yes, they have to gather evidence on whether or not she enjoyed it or “asked for it”.

(no /, unfortunately, because that’s what it’s all about)

86 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:35:26am
87 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:36:46am

Snowden is not on the plane to Cuba! Whereabouts unknown. guardian.co.uk

88 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:56:58am

re: #86 FemNaziBitch

Why NASA’s latest photo of Alaska is freaking people out

LIES FROM THE PIT OF HELL!!!

/

89 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:01:51am

Did I ever tell you how much I really, really like P!NK?

Youtube Video

90 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:12:17am

re: #86 FemNaziBitch

Only an idiot could suggest global warming has nothing to do with the lack of snow or ice cover in that photo.

Yet, they will.

91 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:18:28am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Snowden’s busy giving a snow job about his safety concerns and his need to engage in free speech (and spill US national secrets), all while entertaining entreaties from regimes who have no concern about free speech like Ecuador, Russia, and China before that. The safety concerns are a smoke screen for his need to garner attention and his ongoing leaks of classified information trumps his so-called concerns over NSA activities that he claims to have violated rights of US individuals privacy, but so far Greenwald has only been able to claim that these programs may - at some point in the future - result in violations, but he can’t substantiate any actual violations of the law as it is currently written and acted upon.

92 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:18:53am
93 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:19:24am

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi

Snowden is not on the plane to Cuba! Whereabouts unknown. guardian.co.uk

He could still be in the airport and taking the next flight - I’m sure there’s more than one.

94 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:20:53am

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

Or he could be undergoing interrogation by the Russian secret police who are stripping info from his four (4!) laptops.

95 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:21:50am

re: #94 Justanotherhuman

Or he could be undergoing interrogation by the Russian secret police who are stripping info from his four (4!) laptops.

Heh.

96 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:28:36am

re: #94 Justanotherhuman

Or he could be undergoing interrogation by the Russian secret police who are stripping info from his four (4!) laptops.

He really got on the plane to HK with FOUR (count em!) smartcard-enabled NSA laptops? And NSA didn’t even think to disable his smartcard as soon as they found out that he did a bunk?

I thought the FOUR LAPTOPS! Count ‘em! was bullshit.

97 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:28:48am

re: #95 Dr Lizardo

Lidia Kelly @LidKelly

FSB [Russia’s Security Service] shadows moving from Terminal E to D
5:04 AM - 24 Jun 2013

98 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:29:29am

Where in the world is Snowden Sandiego?

99 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:30:14am
100 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:32:44am

re: #99 Vicious Babushka

Glennzilla protests too much. Wants pie-in-the-sky world govt? In the words of those famous philosophers, “You don’t always get what you want/But if you try sometimes, you get what you need.”

101 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:33:03am

re: #49 freetoken

Didn’t Newt Gingrich have that same opinion?

102 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:33:46am

re: #96 Vicious Babushka

He really got on the plane to HK with FOUR (count em!) smartcard-enabled NSA laptops? And NSA didn’t even think to disable his smartcard as soon as they found out that he did a bunk?

I thought the FOUR LAPTOPS! Count ‘em! was bullshit.

just another example of your overarching surveillance state in action. Wish people would make up their minds, we’re either an efficient police state who are everywhere (and thanks to the GOP, soon to be all up in your vagina’s too) or we’re staffed by a bunch of menial government drones who need to be replaced by private business because they’re so lazy.

103 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:35:48am

re: #94 Justanotherhuman

Or he could be undergoing interrogation by the Russian secret police who are stripping info from his four (4!) laptops.

As Charles said earlier, Snowden is in way over his head.

I don’t know if it was extreme arrogance or naïveté that led him into this, but as I’ve said before, I don’t see it ending well for him. All the players in this story have their own agendas, and I suspect none of them involve Snowden’s best interests.

104 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:36:51am

guardian.co.uk

Miriam Elder sends more from Interfax and its “source familiar with Snowden’s situation”:

Snowden is probably already outside the Russian Federation. He could have flown on a different place. It is unlikely journalists could become witnesses to his flight.

Well, Interfax has been wrong a couple of times on this situation.

105 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:37:07am

re: #99 Vicious Babushka

his ego is so big, it recognizes no sovereign borders…. is Glenn another sterling example of too big to fail? Or is GG so big, that he wouldn’t recognize his own fail that the derp is now considered a feature and not a bug?

106 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:41:56am

When Snowden was in the air from Hong Kong to Russia, there was no way he would be allowed to step on to the soil of the Russian Federation, for one thing HE HAD NO VISA. It usually takes about 60 days to process a visa, and they need your passport.

Snowden does not even have a passport.

107 AntonSirius  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:42:43am

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi

Snowden is not on the plane to Cuba! Whereabouts unknown. guardian.co.uk

NAILED IT!

108 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:42:53am

re: #97 Justanotherhuman

Lidia Kelly @LidKelly

FSB [Russia’s Security Service] shadows moving from Terminal E to D
5:04 AM - 24 Jun 2013

The plot thickens.

109 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:44:02am

Snowden could be hiding out in the duty free stores at Sheremetyevo airport.

110 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:44:57am

re: #109 Vicious Babushka

Snowden could be hiding out in the duty free stores at Sheremetyevo airport.

There are worse places to hide.

111 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:45:33am

Oh, FFS.

WikiLeaks forced to defend Ecuador as Edward Snowden seeks asylum

WikiLeaks spokesperson Kristinn Hrafnsson has defended the press freedom record of Ecuador and dismissed a recent Committee to Protect Journalists report that criticised the country’s commitment to journalists’ freedom, saying the findings “might be wrong in some ways”.

In a heated exchange on Australian breakfast TV, Hrafnsson responded to questions from ABC journalist Virigina Trioli, following news that WikiLeaks has been offering legal advice to National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower Edward Snowden, who is understood to be making his way to Ecuador, where he plans to seek asylum with the assistance of the WikiLeaks legal team.

The Committee to Protect Journalists risk list, which examines a number of press freedom criteria including censorship, the implementation of restrictive laws and the number of exiled journalists, placed Ecuador among the 10 worst countries in the world.

It said that 11 private radio stations had been forced to close, that there was now a 90-day ban on political coverage before elections and that three journalists had been forced into exile over the past year.

Triole asked Hrafnsson: “Why would fighters for press freedom end up in the arms of regime like that?”

Hrafnsson said critics of press freedom in the South American country painted “too much of a bleak picture”.[…]

112 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:46:35am

re: #109 Vicious Babushka

Snowden could be hiding out in the duty free stores at Sheremetyevo airport.

Or stuck in a men’s room stall with no paper.

“The papers, comrade, we must have the papers for the big movement!!”
—Camp Fatima skit, 1956

113 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:47:21am

who knew that Snowden was such a big fan of Spielberg’s The Terminal? Wonder who’s playing Catherine Zeta-Jones’ role…..

114 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:47:29am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Wonder if he has a “wide stance”?

115 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:48:32am

Here’s a story I heard about Sheremetyevo airport.

There were these two aircraft mechanics who would sneak into the duty free stores every night and drink vodka until they passed out. The stores noticed the discrepancy in inventory and changed the locks.

So the mechanics could not get in to steal the vodka. What to do? But there were tanks of jet fuel out there on the tarmac so they decided to try that instead.

The next morning, one of the mechanics woke up with the mother of all hangovers. He got a call on his cell phone from his drinking friend.

“Are you feeling the effects of that jet fuel we drank last night?”
“My head hurts like a motherfucker but it was totally worth it!”
“Tell me, have you passed gas?”
“Well, I don’t know. I don’t think so.”
“Well, I just did, and now I’m in Seattle.”

116 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:50:31am

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

He’d be easier to follow if he had a trail of paper stuck to his shoe.

117 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:50:45am

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi

wearin’ cowboy boots ‘n’ 10-gallon hats.

On five gallon heads. :-)

118 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:51:10am

The Guardian is now reporting Snowden is taking another flight to South America, perhaps to avoid reporters.

119 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:51:57am

re: #118 wheat-dogghazi

The Guardian is now reporting Snowden is taking another flight to South America, perhaps to avoid reporters.

Who gave him a passport?

120 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:52:48am

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

Who gave him a passport?

Perhaps he’s traveling on refugee or other temporary diplomatic papers.

121 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:53:31am

@claudettewerden I will give a press conference at 7 pm. in Melia hotel, Hanoi. You are invited.
2:45 AM - 24 Jun 2013


Ricardo Patiño Aroca, Ecuador’s foreign minister, is holding a press conference in 10 minutes time.

He seems to be in Hanoi.

122 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:53:47am

re: #120 Dr Lizardo

Perhaps he’s traveling on refugee or other temporary diplomatic papers.

NORTH WEST.

123 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 4:54:22am

re: #122 Vicious Babushka

NORTH WEST.

LOLOL.

124 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:11:41am

Is it possible that Ecuador will not give asylum to Snowjob? Is that why he wasn’t on the plane to Cuba? No news from the foreign minister’s presser in Hanoi yet.

125 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:14:24am

This is really laughable.

Ecuador is considering Snowden’s asylum request, according to Russia Today. Ricardo Patino Arocam, the country’s foreign minister, has told reporters in Hanoi:

We are analysing it with a lot of responsibility. [The decision has to do] with freedom of expression and with the security of citizens around the world.

We always act in the name of principles, not in our own interests. There are governments who make decisions more according to their own intrerests. We don’t do that. Our main focus is human rights.

126 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:15:55am

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

The USA revoked his passport, and asked Western nations not to allow him international travel. He apparently booked his Hong Kong-Moscow flight (if he was in fact aboard that plane) with his US passport about the same time as it was revoked. If he stayed in the transit sections of the Moscow airport, he would not need a passport. But if he wanted to board another flight besides the ones he already supposedly booked, he’d be stuck.

There were reports on the BBC and Guardian websites that Ecuadorian diplomatic cars were seen near the Moscow airport, that a VIP van was near the plane bound for Cuba, that bags were removed from the plane from Hong Kong separately from the usual baggage handling, etc. All very mysterious.

127 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:18:36am

So, perhaps Snowden is biding his time at the Moscow airport, awaiting some definite news from Ecuador. They seem especially cautious, which is surprising considering they are harboring Julian Assange.

128 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:21:43am

He could just drink some jet fuel and then crack one. Who knows where he would end up!

Probably Canada.

129 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:24:07am

Take a look at this idiotic tweet from Ari Fleischer (well, what did you expect?):

Ari Fleischer ✔ @AriFleischer

I just looked and don’t see Snowden anywhere in New York. Everyone - please help the Admin find him. Take a look near you.
8:18 AM - 24 Jun 2013

130 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:27:17am

re: #127 wheat-dogghazi

Makes me feel a little (just a tiny bit) sorry for Snowden. Waaaay in over his head.

131 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:29:32am

Well, this takes away any tiny bit of sympathy I might have had for Snowjob:

Snowden also feels he will not receive a fair trial, Patino says.

He says Ecuador will act according to the framework of human rights and international law.

Ecuador places principles of the universal declaration of human rights above its own interests, he says.

guardian.co.uk

132 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:31:42am

re: #129 Justanotherhuman

Take a look at this idiotic tweet from Ari Fleischer (well, what did you expect?):

Ari Fleischer ✔ @AriFleischer

I just looked and don’t see Snowden anywhere in New York. Everyone - please help the Admin find him. Take a look near you.
8:18 AM - 24 Jun 2013

Yeah. I don’t even know what that means.

133 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:33:19am

re: #131 Justanotherhuman

Well, this takes away any tiny bit of sympathy I might have had for Snowjob:

Snowden also feels he will not receive a fair trial, Patino says.

He says Ecuador will act according to the framework of human rights and international law.

Ecuador places principles of the universal declaration of human rights above its own interests, he says.

guardian.co.uk

Oh, please. As if Ecuador has a stellar human rights record to stand on …

Snowden is chickenshit.

134 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:38:48am

re: #133 wheat-dogghazi

Follow Patino’s remarks here: guardian.co.uk

No word on Correa closing twitter accts of those who criticize him.

135 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:47:24am

I have to give Snowden and/or his handlers credit — they’ve got the world’s press corps completely bewildered. Aljazeera says he has left the Russian Federation. The Telegraph and the Guardian say he is still in Moscow. And all three are relying on Russian sources.

136 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:48:59am

Way OT: Testing to see if this old beast will function here until my new power adaptor arrives. Classilla on a Powerbook 3400c running Mac OS 8.6 O_o

137 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:49:41am
138 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:56:46am

re: #136 William Barnett-Lewis

Way OT: Testing to see if this old beast will function here until my new power adaptor arrives. Classilla on a Powerbook 3400c running Mac OS 8.6 O_o

Nope. Once I posted the comments all dissappeared. Ah well. May not be around much this week.

139 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:57:07am

re: #109 Vicious Babushka

Snowden could be hiding out in the duty free stores at Sheremetyevo airport.

Where’s Jack Ryan when we need him. /

Seriously though, it’s possible that he might be in Russia, but trying to work out a deal with one of the embassies so that he can claim asylum in someplace like Ecuador without having to undertake another flight (though by that reasoning, he could have done that inside HK as well - like say going to the Venezuelan consulate in HK to declare asylum there).

But with Wikileaks supposedly now backing his moves/efforts, he’s become a pawn in a bigger game - and pawns are disposable to the player.

140 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:05:13am

Jindal is the gun nuts superhero.

(conservative website link)

141 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:06:24am

I’m still so pissed at this women I could spit.

comparing rape kits to abortion. Why have laws at all, F*&^ing Christian Taliban.

142 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:12:34am
143 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:18:55am
144 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:18:56am

re: #129 Justanotherhuman

Stay classy, Ari

145 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:20:53am

re: #131 Justanotherhuman

He says Hong Kong China Russia Cuba Brazil Venezuela Ecuador will act according to the framework of human rights and international law.

146 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:24:24am
147 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:24:43am
148 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:25:35am

In other news, my Twitter feed is upset outraged with Morning Joe again. Not sure why so many on my Twitter feed watch Morning Joe. Not sure why I follow so many people who watch Morning Joe and continue to be outraged.

149 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:29:01am

re: #147 Joanne

I guess they knew how to clone smartcards!

150 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:32:24am

Is today Supreme Court day again? Hope we don’t get another list of boring decisions.

151 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:34:10am

re: #150 Bulworth

Is today Supreme Court day again? Hope we don’t get another list of boring decisions.

Heh. I’m sure Bryan Fischer, et al, are warming up their typing/texting fingers getting ready for derp-o-rama depending on how the Supreme Court rules on SSM.

152 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:37:26am

Multiple F-bombs dropped in Trayvon Martin trial. Live on the teevee machine. MSNBC puts in 7-second delay and more F-bombs.

I am LMAO.

153 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:38:12am

re: #149 Vicious Babushka

I guess they knew how to clone smartcards!

Snowden…too smart by an eighth.

154 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:38:59am

Whoa! MSNBC let “fuck”, “fucking”, get through in coverage of Zimmerman trial (prosecutor’s opening statement: “his words, not mine”). They are supposed to start a 7 second delay.

Hang your heads, MSNBC. : )

155 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:39:31am

re: #152 Joanne

From who?

156 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:40:34am

re: #153 Joanne

Snowden…too smart by an eighth.

Forgive my blatant ignorance on the subject, or my sheer lack of tech-saviness, but what’s a ‘smartcard’? Is that like a SIM card?

157 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:42:15am

re: #155 Bulworth

From who?

Live from the courtroom. That was the prosecutor’s opening statement. He quoted Zimmerman saying “Fucking punks. These assholes always get away with everything” or something to that effect.

Said twice, then MSNBC broke in and said they would implement seven second delay…immediately followed by another Fucking Asshole sentence.

Sorry, still laughing here.

158 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:42:23am

re: #156 Dr Lizardo

Forgive my blatant ignorance on the subject, or my sheer lack of tech-saviness, but what’s a ‘smartcard’? Is that like a SIM card?

DoD laptops are equipped with “Smartcard” access slot. It’s not enough just to have a password to log in, you also have to have a card with your ID embedded in it just to get to the login screen.

HDs are all encrypted.

159 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:42:47am

re: #156 Dr Lizardo

Forgive my blatant ignorance on the subject, or my sheer lack of tech-saviness, but what’s a ‘smartcard’? Is that like a SIM card?

Like a SIM on steriods. It is a data card, like a USB but can be as small as a microSIM.

160 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:43:19am

re: #159 Joanne

Like a SIM on steriods. It is a data card, like a USB but can be as small as a microSIM.

The one that I was assigned was the size of a credit card.

161 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:44:11am

re: #158 Vicious Babushka

DoD laptops are equipped with “Smartcard” access slot. It’s not enough just to have a password to log in, you also have to have a card with your ID embedded in it just to get to the login screen.

Oh, right! Doesn’t the card have to remain in the slot for the laptop to supposedly work? It’s not a simple swipe, it is a plug in card so the laptop always reads the card as being present.

162 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:44:54am

re: #161 Joanne

Oh, right! Doesn’t the card have to remain in the slot for the laptop to supposedly work? It’s not a simple swipe, it is a plug in card so the laptop always reads the card as being present.

CAC Card.

163 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:45:22am

re: #156 Dr Lizardo

Sorry, see VB’s description. I was thinking the SmartCard was a data card. My bad.

164 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:45:40am

re: #158 Vicious Babushka

re: #159 Joanne

Ah, OK. Never used one, but I get what you’re talking about. I’ve used SIM cards for years, as phones in Europe are GSM.

165 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:47:22am

re: #162 Vicious Babushka

Looks like my bank card with the integrated chip.

Well, except mine has a background image of a happy dolphin.

166 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:47:25am

re: #164 Dr Lizardo

re: #159 Joanne

Ah, OK. Never used one, but I get what you’re talking about. I’ve used SIM cards for years, as phones in Europe are GSM.

It’s not the same thing as a SIM card, see the post about CAC (Common Access Card)

Funny but even though flash drives were disabled, SD slots were not.

167 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:48:55am

re: #166 Vicious Babushka

That’s what I was thinking of…the SD slots.

168 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:48:59am

It would totally not surprise me if the Chinese had a supply of CACs just for this very occasion.

169 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:51:32am
170 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:52:44am

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Hero!! Whistleblower!!

//

171 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:54:21am

I have a feeling that Rubio is going to understand the word token soon.

172 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:58:21am

justanotherhuman posted this on my Pages Post about —well you konw:

Youtube Video

Special Place In Hell.

173 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:58:50am

I’m going back to bed.

Have a great day all!

174 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:00:36am

Supreme Court’s about to start handing down the decisions today, but I’m not expecting the DOMA or gay marriage case in CA to be released today. Expect those on the last day of the session.

SCOTUSBlog is covering events live.

175 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:01:44am

re: #174 lawhawk

When’s the last day?

176 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:12:24am
177 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:12:33am
178 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:13:14am
179 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:13:15am

The Snowbots are growing hoarse betweeen shouting how Snowden isn’t the story and the non-stop, fawning awe chattering on his flight from police state to police state.

180 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:13:23am

But, drones.

181 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:14:05am

re: #176 Gus

#SCOTUS limits employment discrimination claims. Fewer employees are supervisors that make employers liable for discrimination. 5-4.
10:03 AM - 24 Jun 2013

I don’t know what this means. Anyone?

182 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:14:26am

re: #181 Joanne

I don’t know what this means. Anyone?

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:15:42am

re: #181 Joanne

I don’t know what this means. Anyone?

My take is that it changes who is a “supervisor” whose discrimination carries up to the employing company being liable as compared to it being a co-worker who is just being a jerk.

184 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:15:56am

re: #179 b.d.

Hero!

//

185 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:16:04am

re: #157 Joanne

Live from the courtroom. That was the prosecutor’s opening statement. He quoted Zimmerman saying “Fucking punks. These assholes always get away with everything” or something to that effect.

Said twice, then MSNBC broke in and said they would implement seven second delay…immediately followed by another Fucking Asshole sentence.

Sorry, still laughing here.

This just in: CNN is suing MSNBC, citing the fact that CNN’s reputation for being inept is a trademark.

186 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:17:23am

re: #181 Joanne

My hunch, based off of snippets, is that it makes fewer and fewer people responsible for the company itself and makes them more personally responsible instead?

187 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:20:23am

re: #176 Gus

re: #177 Gus

As bad as having an all GOP Congress and White House was in the 2000’s, I think the biggest damage has been the conservative SCOTUS that Reagan and both Bushes set up.

Mitt Romney must be jumping for joy with these rulings.

Also, it’s not a matter “if” these assholes will ban abortion, it’s “when”.

188 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:22:37am
189 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:23:58am

re: #182 Vicious Babushka

Thanks.

Looks to be a 5-4 kind of day.

190 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:24:05am
191 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:27:15am

I wondered when this was going to be mentioned. Boehner is probably the worst SOTH in my lifetime, but seriously, it’s the Whip that should be faulted with the Farm Bill debacle.

Where’s that Whip It Good graphic? :-)

192 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:27:55am

re: #190 Gus

Meaning they are not issuing a decision?

193 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:28:09am
194 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:28:23am

re: #192 Joanne

Meaning they are not issuing a decision?

Yep.

195 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:31:43am
196 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:34:13am

re: #193 Gus

Yup. Exact same things.

//

197 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:34:39am

re: #192 Joanne

It was vacated and remanded, but the petitioners weren’t asking to overrule Grutter, so Scalia joined with the majority 7-1; Kagan recused.

Strict scrutiny does not permit a court to accept a
school’s assertion that its admissions process uses race in a permissible way without closely examining how the process works in practice,
yet that is what the District Court and Fifth Circuit did here. The
Court vacates the Fifth Circuit’s judgment. But fairness to the litigants and the courts that heard the case requires that it be remanded
so that the admissions process can be considered and judged under a
correct analysis. In determining whether summary judgment in the
University’s favor was appropriate, the Fifth Circuit must assess
whether the University has offered sufficient evidence to prove that
its admissions program is narrowly tailored to obtain the educational
benefits of diversity.

The takeaway here is that the Fifth Circuit applied the wrong standard to the case; the Fifth will have to take up the issue again using the standard as the SCt. indicated.

Not quite a punt, but it leaves Grutter intact for the moment.

198 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:36:05am

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

It would totally not surprise me if the Chinese had a supply of CACs just for this very occasion.

Who do you think *makes* them?

199 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:36:42am

re: #197 lawhawk

Thanks much!

200 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:36:42am

re: #198 wheat-dogghazi

Who do you think *makes* them?

LOL!

201 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:36:58am

re: #193 Gus

Some peculiar ‘reasoning’ going on lately.

202 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:37:21am

re: #186 b.d.

My hunch, based off of snippets, is that it makes fewer and fewer people responsible for the company itself and makes them more personally responsible instead?

kind of, “you can’t hold us responsible if we hire a bunch of racist and sexist assholes and even if we do, you can’t hold us liable for creating a hostile workplace”.

203 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:38:11am

Not a good day for the Fifth Circuit, which had another one of its cases reversed. UT Southwestern v. Nassar - a retaliations case. 5-4 win for employers.

In both of the employers’ cases, Ginsberg dissent calls on Congress to remedy and fix the provisions at issue.

204 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:38:37am

re: #197 lawhawk

Out of curiosity, what did Ginsburg give for the dissent? I am going over to SCOTUSblog to see if I can find it, but in case you knew, thought I would ask.

205 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:42:07am

I can’t decide if this is a parody account or not, but it just sucks.

206 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:43:55am

Well, this leave things wide open. All the company has to do is tell the supervisor that s(he) has no power to discipline an employee for sexual harassment?

Amy Howe:
The Court holds that an employer is a supervisor for vicarious liabilty under Title VII only if she has the power given by the employer to take tangible employment actions against the victim. Justice Alito write. (Scotus blog)

But wouldn’t that leave the company wide open for cases against them as an entity if a pattern and practice of sexual harassment could be determined?

I admit, I haven’t read the case in its entirety. And it’s been years since I worked on Title VII cases; weren’t class action cases scuttled a while back and changed by a SC ruling so that only individuals affected could sue, not for the class they might represent?

207 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:44:33am

re: #204 Joanne

Out of curiosity, what did Ginsburg give for the dissent? I am going over to SCOTUSblog to see if I can find it, but in case you knew, thought I would ask.

Got it. Nevermind.

208 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:45:56am

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

I can’t decide if this is a parody account or not, but it just sucks.

Well, the original (that I can’t find right now) has them holding hand guns IIRC. The photo’s been floating around for a few years now.

209 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:47:26am

Defense opening statement, extremely weak tea thus far.

210 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:49:37am
211 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:50:13am

re: #209 Joanne

I don’t think there is a “defense”. An undefendable action on Zimmerman’s part. Self-styled “neighborhood watch captain” and cop wannabee.

212 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:51:31am


No kidding. I mean, really…NO KIDDING AT A MURDER TRIAL.

213 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:51:48am
214 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:52:28am

re: #211 Justanotherhuman

But, but, but, he was wearing a hoodie!!

//

215 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:53:06am

Assange: 2+2=5.

guardian.co.uk

216 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:53:19am

So, a guy in a hoodie and a neighborhood watch guy enter a bar …

217 efuseakay  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:53:36am

Seems like a clear-cut case to me. Dispatch told him to not follow Martin. Yet he did. All other “evidence” is meaningless IMO.

But what do I know.

218 efuseakay  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:54:15am

re: #215 Justanotherhuman

Assange: 2+2=5.

guardian.co.uk

Wouldn’t that be something if Dog The Bounty Hunter got him.

219 bubba zanetti  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:54:50am

re: #216 wheat-dogghazi

So, a guy in a hoodie and a neighborhood watch guy enter a bar …

And the watch guy says “Why? The brown face.”

[ cymbal crash ]

220 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:55:04am
221 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:55:09am

re: #213 jaunte

Probable Faux and Friends:

Hilarious! We love this guy!

222 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:56:30am

re: #220 jaunte

Derp.

223 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:57:47am

re: #214 Bulworth

I sometimes wear a hoodie. Guess a 72 yr old isn’t safe from Zimmerman.

224 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:57:48am

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

I can’t decide if this is a parody account or not, but it just sucks.

That photo is old as Methuselah and I’m about 99.99999% certain they aren’t “his” girls.

TinEye search results.

Google search results.

225 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:03:51am
226 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:03:57am
227 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:04:48am
228 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:07:28am

re: #227 NJDhockeyfan

So, he’s trying to covering his options…maybe there aren’t any.

229 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:08:10am

re: #227 NJDhockeyfan

Hero.

230 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:08:11am

Snowden is apparently in deep cover somewhere, according to the Guardian reporting on Assange’s comments. You would think he had uncovered all of the greatest secrets of the USA from the melodrama surrounding his travels.

231 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:10:57am
232 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:11:05am

re: #230 wheat-dogghazi

Snowden is apparently in deep cover somewhere, according to the Guardian reporting on Assange’s comments. You would think he had uncovered all of the greatest secrets of the USA from the melodrama surrounding his travels.

… he’s probably in baggage claim indicating that the four macintoishes that have been placed with his luggage tags are not the four laptops that he entered the airport with….

233 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:11:41am


Heh.

234 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:11:56am

re: #226 Gus

White Bronco with Aeroflot wings.

235 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:12:13am

re: #233 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

HE’S WEARING THE ONE RING OF POWER!!!

236 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:12:19am

re: #232 piratedan

Haha! But probably he got four cheap Chinese-brand laptops instead of four Macs.

237 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:13:14am

re: #236 wheat-dogghazi

Haha! But probably he got four cheap Chinese-brand laptops instead of four Macs.

Are there any laptops that are not made in China (including in Taiwan)?

238 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:14:31am

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

Are there any laptops that are not made in China (including in Taiwan)?

Good question … maybe in Thailand, but I honestly don’t know.

239 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:14:55am

re: #234 jaunte

White Bronco with Aeroflot wings.

240 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:16:37am

re: #239 Gus

Greenwald would be driving (al a A.J. Cowlings) with Snowden huddled down in the backseat

241 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:17:08am

re: #231 Joanne

That was a good article.

242 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:18:54am
244 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:20:58am

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

Having a cup of coffee with Elvis …

245 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:22:43am

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

Image: 766489ee01488079d9ebf6be2b4ffb66_original.jpg

Gack! Familiar with the security line in that rightmost picture (Pittsburgh). Seen them stretching an additional 50 yards a few times.

246 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:23:45am

re: #179 b.d.

The Snowbots are growing hoarse betweeen shouting how Snowden isn’t the story and the non-stop, fawning awe chattering on his flight from police state to police state.

On the point of how Snowden isn’t the story, do you have an opinion?

247 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:23:57am

OT.

Chrome has been repeatedly locking up on me tonight, with only 8 tabs open. I get the blue spinning thingie, then I have to alt-f4 to kill it.

248 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:29:46am
249 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:31:55am

Wingnuts are jubilating that Paula Deen campaigned for Obama. “Typical Democrat.” Wait, what?

250 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:31:56am

Jesus freaking Christ.

Warning. Disgusting.

EDIT: This link contains photos of rape. The article is not for the faint of heart.

I apologize for not stating this earlier.

251 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:32:47am

re: #220 jaunte

“I simply don’t see the irony” about the countries to which Snowden has considered going, Julian Assange says

I thinnk the logic and rationalization is that Snowden is fleeing for his life from a tyrannical, vengeful government, so any port in a storm.

252 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:33:07am

DERP. BRYAN THINKS YOU CAN HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

253 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:33:41am

re: #246 abolitionist

On the point of how Snowden isn’t the story, do you have an opinion?

Since you asked, I think that he and GG have made the story about themselves. Imagine if Snowden had chosen to remain anonymous, what would we be talking about right now?

254 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:34:30am

re: #253 b.d.

Since you asked, I think that he and GG have made the story about themselves. Imagine if Snowden had chosen to remain anonymous, what would we be talking about right now?

Glenn Greenwald.

255 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:34:46am

re: #250 Joanne

Jesus freaking Christ.

Warning. Disgusting.

“Weapon of war?”

256 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:34:58am
257 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:36:08am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer: What Jesus would say to an illegal alien

So the USA is the moral equivalent of Rome and illegal aliens the moral equivalent of slaves…

Okay, Brian. Let’s see you face the moral equivalent of lions in the Colosseum.

258 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:36:21am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

“I’ll give you ten bucks to mow the yard and haul the trash to the curb….”

259 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:36:31am

re: #255 Gus

“Weapon of war?”

I should not have clicked on that link. I am in tears.

260 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:36:32am

re: #254 Vicious Babushka

Glenn Greenwald.

If Snowden had remained anonymous, Glen Greenwald would have had his Capt. Queeg moment in the press already.

261 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:36:38am

re: #250 Joanne

Well now, that should help us win friends and influence people! What’s not to love?

Good God! If I were Commander in Chief, these soldiers barbarians would be facing summary execution.

262 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:39:04am
What Jesus would say to an illegal alien

¡Hola, mi hermano!

263 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:39:13am

re: #259 Joanne

I should not have clicked on that link. I am in tears.

Lots of propaganda in that piece…

The London newspaper further noted “graphic nature of some of the images may explain the US President Obama’s attempts to block the release of an estimated 2,000 photographs from prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan despite an earlier promise to allow them to be published.”

264 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:40:02am

re: #261 Dr Lizardo

Well now, that should help us win friends and influence people! What’s not to love?

Good God! If I were Commander in Chief, these soldiers barbarians would be facing summary execution.

this seems applicable here

Link

wish our folks up at the top would at a minimum exhibit this kind lip service

265 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:40:55am

re: #250 Joanne

Jesus freaking Christ.

Warning. Disgusting.

ADDITIONAL WARNING: There are photos of actual rapes at the above link. The pixelation leaves little to the imagination. I had to disable images to even be able to read the rest of the thing.

266 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:41:38am

re: #255 Gus

Sigh. I shouldn’t have read that or looked at the pictures. Not good for the old PTSD.

267 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:42:16am

re: #250 Joanne

A bit more warning than just ‘disgusting’ next time, please.

268 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:42:36am

Another good read:

269 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:43:09am
270 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:43:18am

re: #263 Gus

Lots of propaganda in that piece…

I couldn’t read it. The pictures were all I could manage.

271 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:43:54am

re: #266 A Mom Anon

Sigh. I shouldn’t have read that or looked at the pictures. Not good for the old PTSD.

I don’t have PTSD, but I’m still feeling shaky and nauseous. If I feel that way, I can’t even imagine how much worse it is for someone who’s actually been through something like that

272 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:46:12am

re: #267 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

A bit more warning than just ‘disgusting’ next time, please.

I’m sorry.

273 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:46:46am

re: #229 Gus

American patriot. /

274 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:46:51am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

Shouldn’t that be what Bryan would say to an “illegal alien”? Nothing like making shit up, is there?

275 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:48:25am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

I somehow can’t imagine the Jesus of the gospels thinking of people as “illegal aliens”.

276 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:49:36am

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

Shouldn’t that be what Bryan would say to an “illegal alien”? Nothing like making shit up, is there?

Bryan realizes what he is saying (supporting the Dred Scott decision) but then lamely goes on to say “But Christians abolished slavery!”

277 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:50:32am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, nobody in the slave-holding Confederacy was a Christian. //

278 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:50:41am

re: #275 Bulworth

I somehow can’t imagine the Jesus of the gospels thinking of people as “illegal aliens”.

I can’t imagine the Jesus of the gospels thinking about 99% of what comes out of the “Christian” RWNJ’s brains.

Poor? Fuck em, let em die.

How many times are the poor referenced to in the bible? It is hardly in passing and it is never in the realm of the hate and loathing these people feel towards people who are below them on the socioeconomic scale.

279 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:51:49am

re: #277 Bulworth

Slaveowners pounded christianity into slaves; it made them docile and more accepting of their fate.

280 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:53:20am

re: #278 Joanne

it’s their own fault for not being born Republican….. //

281 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:54:04am

In other new from World Observer Online: How Should Christians Date?

282 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:54:52am

re: #272 Joanne

I’m sorry.

The website should have also put up some kind of warning instead of making those horrid photos practically the first thing you see on the page. I remember how the most graphic Boston Marathon bombing photos were blacked out on page load, with a warning, and then you’d have to click to see them. The World Observer site should have had the courtesy to do the same thing.

283 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:55:03am

re: #278 Joanne

I can’t imagine the Jesus of the gospels thinking about 99% of what comes out of the “Christian” RWNJ’s brains.

Poor? Fuck em, let em die.

How many times are the poor referenced to in the bible? It is hardly in passing and it is never in the realm of the hate and loathing these people feel towards people who are below them on the socioeconomic scale.

What the RWNJ ‘Christians’ believe in isn’t actually “Christianity”: rather, it’s an admixture of Objectivism and 19th Century Social Darwinism with a topping of Calvinism.

285 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:55:56am

If it’s on the internet it must be true.

286 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:56:06am

re: #284 Gus

it’s obviously worked for Paula Deen /////

287 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:57:23am


A Jezebel story based on a story from WND. If you have the stomach, check out the poll at WND.

288 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:57:47am

re: #283 Dr Lizardo

What the RWNJ ‘Christians’ believe in isn’t actually “Christianity”: rather, it’s an admixture of Objectivism and 19th Century Social Darwinism with a topping of Calvinism.

All Jesus’s talk of ethics are about the next dispensation, go ahead and be a massive dickhead. You said the magic words, so you’re a Real True Christian.

IOKIYARTC

289 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:58:20am
290 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:58:49am

EXCLUSIVE: Snowden sought Booz Allen job to gather evidence on NSA surveillance

Edward Snowden secured a job with a US government contractor for one reason alone - to obtain evidence on Washington’s cyberspying networks, the South China Morning Post can reveal.

For the first time, Snowden has admitted he sought a position at Booz Allen Hamilton so he could collect proof about the US National Security Agency’s secret surveillance programmes ahead of planned leaks to the media.

“My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of machines all over the world the NSA hacked,” he told the Post on June 12. “That is why I accepted that position about three months ago.”

During a global online chat last week, Snowden also stated he took pay cuts “in the course of pursuing specific work”.

…Asked if he specifically went to Booz Allen Hamilton to gather evidence of surveillance, he replied: “Correct on Booz.”

His intention was to collect information about the NSA hacking into “the whole world” and “not specifically Hong Kong and China”.

291 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:59:10am

re: #286 piratedan

it’s obviously worked for Paula Deen /////

I’m skeptical about almost all “news” these days. Tired of the BS opinions masquerading as news, so called experts, “sources”, and link bait headlines.

292 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:59:10am

re: #284 Gus

Also: Can BUTTER coffee give you more energy? The unlikely morning brew that claims to ‘shrink waistlines’ and ‘promote brain function’

Holy shit, I was just reading some biographies of ‘49ers (the gold dudes not the football players) and they all had salted butter in their coffee. Nobody seems to know how it really started.

Some of them were pretty spry and skinny, but that was probably due to running from bears rather than buttered coffee.

293 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 8:59:30am

re: #287 Joanne

“Impure Thoughts” Got This Girl Kicked Off Her Christian Football Team

I am not sure how much was based on concerns for Christian morality and how much of it was fear of another Steubenville…

294 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:00:22am

re: #289 darthstar

Too late. White Castle has been running ‘Slider-bration’ radio spots around here for weeks.

It’s an inane adaptation of the song, but it still works.

295 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:01:10am

re: #283 Dr Lizardo

What the RWNJ ‘Christians’ believe in isn’t actually “Christianity”: rather, it’s an admixture of Objectivism and 19th Century Social Darwinism with a topping of Calvinism.

I always wondered how people who reject Evolution can be so fond of Social Darwinism, and people who believe in God embrace athiest objectivism…

296 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:01:56am

So…did Zimmerman’s attorney really open his case with a knock-knock joke? What was it?

297 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:02:46am

re: #287 Joanne

This has been on the news here for a couple of days. No one’s said this out loud, but the girl grew up and has obvious breasts now and I’d be willing to bet that’s what got her kicked off the team. As for the “impure thoughts” of the boys she’s playing football with, I think that’s projection big time on the part of the school’s principal and maybe someone needs to ask him about HIS impure thoughts about this girl. If the boys are having such thoughts, maybe someone ought to talk to them about respecting women. If this kid can play football and is willing to take the knocks and other bullshit associated with team sports, let her play.

I’m so sick of neanderthalic(yes I know it’s not a word) assholes breaking things so we can’t have anything nice or fun I could scream.

298 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:03:53am

re: #295 Sol Berdinowitz

I always wondered how people who reject Evolution can be so fond of Social Darwinism, and people who believe in God embrace athiest objectivism…

Cognitive dissonance so profound it should, by all rights, induce schizophrenia.

299 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:04:36am

re: #298 Dr Lizardo

Cognitive dissonance so profound it should, by all rights, induce schizophrenia.

Cognitive dissonance presupposes cognition…

300 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:04:54am

re: #290 NJDhockeyfan

So Snowden admits that the Booz job was just for access. He met with reporters before he took that job, are they in on it? How freaking illegal is that?

301 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:05:03am

re: #293 Sol Berdinowitz

I am not sure how much was based on concerns for Christian morality and how much of it was fear of another Steubenville…

In which case, in my mind, makes it worse. Why not make this part of school a learning opportunity? You know, behave as expected, rape is wrong, etc., etc., etc.?

302 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:05:42am

Food Network didn’t fire her (or refuse to extend her a new contract) because she only said the N-word, alot. It’s because of all the admitted racist behaviors, innuendos, and the n-word that forced them to sever ties.

For as good as her fried chicken is (and it is good), her admitted behavior is atrocious and she can’t be considered a representative of Food Network because that’s not what they stand for. They don’t want to be associated with a bigot and racist, even one that’s butter covered and batter soaked the way Deen has been.

So far, it doesn’t look like Food Network is gonna do anything with Bobby Deen’s show, which happens to feature his mom rather prominently (Not My Momma’s Meals), but we’ll see where they go from here.

Oh, and it’s not like Paula’s going to be hurting for money since she’s still got her restaurants and they pack ‘em in like no one’s business.

303 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:06:21am

re: #301 Joanne

In which case, in my mind, makes it worse. Why not make this part of school a learning opportunity? You know, behave as expected, rape is wrong, etc., etc., etc.?

Because another incident like that would look bad for the school and cost everyone a ton of paperwork and a lot of headaches…better to just kick her off the team in the name of the purity of our cranial fluids.

304 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:06:29am

re: #296 darthstar

So…did Zimmerman’s attorney really open his case with a knock-knock joke? What was it?


Here.

305 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:07:20am

re: #298 Dr Lizardo

Cognitive dissonance so profound it should, by all rights, induce schizophrenia.

You mean disassociative disorder, aka Multiple Personality Disorder. Except you don’t, since mentally ill people don’t choose to be that way.

306 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:07:26am

re: #291 Gus

I’m skeptical about almost all “news” these days. Tired of the BS opinions masquerading as news, so called experts, “sources”, and link bait headlines.

Gus I have had a couple of comments/posts over at BJ stating that we need to stop looking at the headlines and look at who is writing the headlines, who is deciding what is news and deemed newsworthy. Similar to what took place with the Occupy movement and how it was portrayed before it finally frayed under it’s own diverse coalition under it’s original guise/cause which were rarely parsed out by the media or portrayed with any accuracy. The guys who are filtering what gets seen and discussed are the ones that No One ever seems to examine, that would be the executive producers and management of the networks themselves. Because they’re the ones treating news as a commodity, not as issues that merit discussion.

307 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:08:10am

re: #296 darthstar

So…did Zimmerman’s attorney really open his case with a knock-knock joke? What was it?


Video.

308 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:08:11am

re: #300 b.d.

So Snowden admits that the Booz job was just for access. He met with reporters before he took that job, are they in on it? How freaking illegal is that?

It’s a setup for claiming that Snowden’s a journnalist working undercover for Greenwald in running the story. /

And frankly, I’m surprised that Greenwald wasn’t going that route, or maybe he realized that would be toxic for his efforts to undermine US national security - ignoring that other regimes do pretty odious stuff without a fraction of the scrutiny precisely because those regimes don’t care about free speech or human or civil rights.

309 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:08:55am

re: #308 lawhawk

It’s a setup for claiming that Snowden’s a journnalist working undercover for Greenwald in running the story. /

And frankly, I’m surprised that Greenwald wasn’t going that route, or maybe he realized that would be toxic for his efforts to undermine US national security - ignoring that other regimes do pretty odious stuff without a fraction of the scrutiny precisely because those regimes don’t care about free speech or human or civil rights.

Hasn’t that horse already left the barn?

310 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:09:15am

re: #302 lawhawk

Food Network didn’t fire her (or refuse to extend her a new contract) because she only said the N-word, alot. It’s because of all the admitted racist behaviors, innuendos, and the n-word that forced them to sever ties.

For as good as her fried chicken is (and it is good), her admitted behavior is atrocious and she can’t be considered a representative of Food Network because that’s not what they stand for. They don’t want to be associated with a bigot and racist, even one that’s butter covered and batter soaked the way Deen has been.

So far, it doesn’t look like Food Network is gonna do anything with Bobby Deen’s show, which happens to feature his mom rather prominently (Not My Momma’s Meals), but we’ll see where they go from here.

Oh, and it’s not like Paula’s going to be hurting for money since she’s still got her restaurants and they pack ‘em in like no one’s business.

“….pack ‘em in” is an interesting choice of words.

Image: DEEN-2-articleLarge.jpg

311 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:09:57am

re: #300 b.d.

So Snowden admits that the Booz job was just for access. He met with reporters before he took that job, are they in on it? How freaking illegal is that?

The question is not “Why did Snowden really take the job?” but WHY DID BOOZ HIRE HIM WITH SUCH A SHITTY RESUME?

312 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:10:05am

re: #305 The Ghost of a Flea

You mean disassociative disorder, aka Multiple Personality Disorder. Except you don’t, since mentally ill people don’t choose to be that way.

No, they are possessed by demons, just like it says in the Bible.

313 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:10:43am
314 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:11:00am

re: #305 The Ghost of a Flea

You mean disassociative disorder, aka Multiple Personality Disorder. Except you don’t, since mentally ill people don’t choose to be that way.

Heh. I stand corrected.

315 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:11:08am

re: #311 Vicious Babushka

The question is not “Why did Snowden really take the job?” but WHY DID BOOZ HIRE HIM WITH SUCH A SHITTY RESUME?

Because they cannot get better qualified people for such measly salaries?

316 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:12:08am

re: #313 darthstar

Edward Snowden not on plane, not on train, not with FOX, not in box.

I do not like Greenwald and Spam, I do not like them Sam I am…

317 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:13:27am

Warning: Boston bombing picture. Blood, agony. But heroism, too.

Image: zVFysfL.jpg


The man who is kneeling there is holding the femoral artery of a wounded woman closed, saving her life. He is a Marine, obviously not under command at the time. I hope he wins whatever award a Marine can win when out of uniform and not currently serving.

318 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:14:00am

re: #316 Sol Berdinowitz

Edward Snowden not on plane, not on train, not with FOX, not in box.

I see Snowden breaking rocks, and looking away from the jocks.

I do not like Greenwald and Spam, I do not like them Sam I am…

FTFY

319 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:14:04am

re: #311 Vicious Babushka

The question is not “Why did Snowden really take the job?” but WHY DID BOOZ HIRE HIM WITH SUCH A SHITTY RESUME?

Does BHA do military ops like Blackwater?

320 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:14:26am

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

I can’t decide if this is a parody account or not, but it just sucks.

That pic’s been floating around the internet for a while. I doubt they’re that specific asshole’s children and have another asshole father altogether.

321 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:16:19am

re: #312 Sol Berdinowitz

No, they are possessed by demons, just like it says in the Bible.

Eesh.

The comeback of “exorcism” as some kind of treatment freaks me out. At least with the Catholics you know what you’re getting into, there’s a script. Protestant Evangelical exorcism? Anything goes. Occasionally you hear about some poor soul killed by what was effectively a sanctified beatdown.

322 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:17:36am

re: #321 The Ghost of a Flea

Eesh.

The comeback of “exorcism” as some kind of treatment freaks me out. At least with the Catholics you know what you’re getting into, there’s a script. Protestant Evangelical exorcism? Anything goes. Occasionally you hear about some poor soul killed by what was effectively a sanctified beatdown.

And Christian spanking…

323 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:19:41am

DERP

324 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:21:12am

re: #283 Dr Lizardo

What the RWNJ ‘Christians’ believe in isn’t actually “Christianity”: rather, it’s an admixture of Objectivism and 19th Century Social Darwinism with a topping of Calvinism.

They are a classic case of choosing a belief system not because they need a guideline to be better people but to provide them with an excuse to be dicks to others.

325 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:21:33am

re: #323 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Her attempt at division won’t work. I saw a poll that showed African American voters are even more pro-immigration reform than Latinos.

326 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:21:56am
328 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:25:06am

re: #324 Romantic Heretic

They are a classic case of choosing a belief system not because they need a guideline to be better people but to provide them with an excuse to be dicks to others.

I find it amazing how the Bible gets torn to pieces and re-assembled line by line to maintain that assurance that God and Jesus endorses hateful dickishness.

I mean, Old Testament God at his most thunderous still had a lot of instructions about forgiveness and generosity.

329 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:26:03am

The Signs of the Brazilian Protests

A look at the variety of slogans employed by protesters in Brazil. Roll over the signs with yellow dots below for translations.

330 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:28:19am

re: #326 Gus

American patriot Hero

331 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:29:31am

re: #326 Gus

so I guess the question is, did he do this at Greenwald’s request and if so, where does that place Greenwald?

332 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:31:03am

re: #331 piratedan

so I guess the question is, did he do this at Greenwald’s request and if so, where does that place Greenwald?

Thou shalt not question the 4th estate.

333 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:31:14am

re: #330 Bulworth

American patriot Hero

and dumbass, don’t forget dumbass.

334 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:31:38am

re: #324 Romantic Heretic

They are a classic case of choosing a belief system not because they need a guideline to be better people but to provide them with an excuse to be dicks to others.

The Old Testament, the New Testament and the Qur’an all speak at rather great length about such people. And none of it is very positive.

335 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:32:31am

re: #332 darthstar

Thou shalt not question the 4th estate.

Greenwald’s a lawyer, though, he’s probably not stupid enough to actually open himself to charges on this. He probably just hinted and implied how great it’d be if Snowden had some solid evidence.

336 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:35:02am

re: #335 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Greenwald’s a lawyer, though, he’s probably not stupid enough to actually open himself to charges on this. He probably just hinted and implied how great it’d be if Snowden had some solid evidence.

Greenwald’s a shitty lawyer, apparently, who keeps his notes on twitter and brags about his work with Snowden when he thinks he’s got public sentiment behind him. Now he’s saying Snowden’s irrelevant and we should just focus on “the discussion”…what a fucking tool.

337 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:35:11am

re: #331 piratedan

so I guess the question is, did he do this at Greenwald’s request and if so, where does that place Greenwald?

Given the optics of this debacle, the question is more like, did he do this at China’s request?

I mean, this guy is doing such a bad job presenting himself as whistleblower that I’m tempted to believe it just because I’d expect a spy to concoct a narrative that doesn’t scream “I’m totally a fucking spy!” in all its particulars.

338 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:36:06am

re: #335 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Imagined defense scenario

GG: I didn’t ask him to break the law, I just said it would be really neato if he did and then share what he stole with me so I could make us both heroes. I didn’t actually expect him to do it.

Snowden to his attorney: Did I just get thrown under the bus?

Snowden’s Attorney: Why yes, you did….

339 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:36:16am
340 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:36:53am

For lunch I had one of the baguettes that I baked last night. It was hard as a baseball bat. Fortunately I did not break a tooth.

I made another bread dough this morning, let’s hope it’s not another bake Fail.

I’ve been desperately searching all over artisan bread blogs to find out what I did wrong. Over proofing? Under proofing? Not enough knead? Too much knead? Gah.

I find I have more success with I don’t follow the cookbook recipes exactly. In my experience, I always need more yeast and less flour.

341 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:36:54am

re: #335 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Greenwald’s a lawyer, though, he’s probably not stupid enough to actually open himself to charges on this. He probably just hinted and implied how great it’d be if Snowden had some solid evidence.

All with a wink wink and a nudge nudge.
But hey, it’s Snowden’s life they’re putting on the block, not theirs.

342 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:37:24am

re: #331 piratedan

so I guess the question is, did he do this at Greenwald’s request and if so, where does that place Greenwald?

I’m starting to think that Greenwald started this ball rolling.

343 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:39:36am

Stockman staffer takes “Food Stamp Challenge”: I ATE GRUEL AND I LIKED IT.

344 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:39:46am
345 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:40:26am

US-Brazil extradition:

mcnabbassociates.com

ARTICLE I
Article VII of the Treaty of Extradition concluded between the two countries at Rio de Ja
neiro,
on January 13, 1961, shall be interpreted as follows:
“The Contracting Parties are not obliged by this Treaty to grant extradition of their nationals.
However, if the Constitution and laws of the requested State do not prohibit it, its executive
au
thority shall have the power to surrender a national if, in its discretion, it be deemed proper to
do so.”

346 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:41:02am

re: #337 The Ghost of a Flea

Given the optics of this debacle, the question is more like, did he do this at China’s request?

I mean, this guy is doing such a bad job presenting himself as whistleblower that I’m tempted to believe it just because I’d expect a spy to concoct a narrative that doesn’t scream “I’m totally a fucking spy!” in all its particulars.

I keep reading about the whole Snowden/Greenwald affair, and keep coming back to the same scenario: that Snowden’s basic thesis is the US is a bad country for spying on other countries, and Greenwald is treating this like it’s the second coming of the Pentagon Papers.

Am I missing something? I’m not even sure what Greenwald’s motives are. Whatever conversation to be had about domestic NSA surveillance kinda got trashed through Snowden’s incomprehensible actions.

I mean, at least Bradley Manning actually revealed something important like the helicopter gunship mowing down innocent Iraqis. Can Snowden even claim something like that?

347 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:41:03am

This whole damned thing is starting to feel manufactured.

Have I mentioned what a total douche Assange is? Reading his comments today made me want to punch a hole in my monitor.

348 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:41:31am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

Stockman staffer takes “Food Stamp Challenge”: I ATE GRUEL AND I LIKED IT.

I’m betting he ate out at friend’s expense a lot.

ETA: My wife, who has been on SNAP, says the only way he did that was with no name Mac&Cheese and dry milk.

349 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:44:18am

re: #340 Vicious Babushka

I always knead my bread dough just enough that it can be kneaded without sticking on a floured surface- if I use too much flour I notice hard and dry bread, not enough its mushy…

350 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:44:21am

re: #347 CuriousLurker

This whole damned thing is starting to feel manufactured.

Have I mentioned what a total douche Assange is? Reading his comments today made me want to punch a hole in my monitor.

This whole thing was engineered by people who think they are the smartest guys on the planet. Smuggate. Being too cute by half is going to get the whole gaggle of them locked up.

351 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:44:25am

re: #344 Gus

I believe Joy Reid actually said “took the Booz Allen job,” not “began working at the NSA.”

352 freetoken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:45:58am

re: #348 Romantic Heretic

If that picture in the story is him with his food, it shows his primary meal to be white bread and white (baking) potatoes. And what’s in the bag is a can of ???

Anyway, not sure that photo is of him, but that pictured diet is not a particularly nutritious set of foods. In many city locales fresh vegetables and fruit cost more. As far as high quality protein, even a dozen eggs can run over $3 in cities.

353 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:46:06am

re: #349 DisturbedEma

I always knead my bread dough just enough that it can be kneaded without sticking on a floured surface- if I use too much flour I notice hard and dry bread, not enough its mushy…

I just got a new Electrolux Assistent mixer and I’m trying to get the hang of it. Now it seems that all bread recipes are configured for a Kitchen Aid.

354 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:46:44am
355 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:46:58am

re: #350 b.d.

This whole thing was engineered by people who think they are the smartest guys on the planet. Smuggate. Being too cute by half is going to get the whole gaggle of them locked up.

Note that hackers/leakers aren’t going after cartels or the crazier dictatorships…or for that matter, the bigger, meaner corporations. They’re grabbing at low hanging fruit, but puffing themselves up with the mythology of anti-authoritarian action.

356 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:47:19am

re: #347 CuriousLurker

This whole damned thing is starting to feel manufactured.

Have I mentioned what a total douche Assange is? Reading his comments today made me want to punch a hole in my monitor.

What does Ecuador gain by harboring Assange, and maybe Snowden? It’s not like they’re bastions of free speech themselves.

EDIT: Unintentional, but is it irony that I posted a link from the Guardian UK that’s critical of Ecuador’s free speech record?

357 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:48:57am

Time for some Greenwaldspin.

358 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:49:10am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

Stockman staffer takes “Food Stamp Challenge”: I ATE GRUEL AND I LIKED IT.

I’ll bet he wouldn’t like it so much after 6 months of nothing else. I’ll bet his health would turn to shit too.

Speaking of health, earlier today I was looking at the actual billed amount for my hospital stay—so far it’s at a little over $375,000. If I didn’t have insurance… O_o

359 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:50:18am

re: #354 Gus

Yes, this story is all about NSA’s unconstitutional surveillance of American citizens. //

360 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:50:23am

re: #357 Gus

Time for some Greenwaldspin.

Greensplaining

361 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:50:28am

re: #358 CuriousLurker

I’ll bet he wouldn’t like it so much after 6 months of nothing else. I’ll bet his health would turn to shit too.

Speaking of health, earlier today I was looking at the actual billed amount for my hospital stay—so far it’s at a little over $375,000. If I didn’t have insurance… O_o

Holy freaking shit.

362 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:51:01am

re: #358 CuriousLurker

I’ll bet he wouldn’t like it so much after 6 months of nothing else. I’ll bet his health would turn to shit too.

Speaking of health, earlier today I was looking at the actual billed amount for my hospital stay—so far it’s at a little over $375,000. If I didn’t have insurance… O_o

Wow. The sad thing is your average Republican will look at that and go “FREE MARKET! FIND BETTER INSURANCE!” or something equally heartless.

363 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:51:05am
364 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:51:11am

Snowden currently losing even more progressives.

365 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:51:32am

re: #358 CuriousLurker

re: #361 Vicious Babushka

I know, as a Canadian, that I plotz every time I look at American health care bills.

366 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:51:53am

re: #358 CuriousLurker

I’ll bet he wouldn’t like it so much after 6 months of nothing else. I’ll bet his health would turn to shit too.

Speaking of health, earlier today I was looking at the actual billed amount for my hospital stay—so far it’s at a little over $375,000. If I didn’t have insurance… O_o

Holy chit! That’s too much. Damn hospitals.

367 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:52:30am

re: #352 freetoken

If that picture in the story is him with his food, it shows his primary meal to be white bread and white (baking) potatoes. And what’s in the bag is a can of ???

Anyway, not sure that photo is of him, but that pictured diet is not a particularly nutritious set of foods. In many city locales fresh vegetables and fruit cost more. As far as high quality protein, even a dozen eggs can run over $3 in cities.

I know somebody who teaches people on SNAP how to cook healthy meals that also taste good. But it’s a question of learning what to buy, how to cook it, and having the time to do so. The cross-section of people that end up on food assistance tend to be people not educated, without time, and often marked by the cultural aspects of poverty such that they don’t always make good long-term choices.

There’s also sad/painful stuff, like people spending food assistance to get food that makes their kid happy, knowing it costs more and you’re getting less.

368 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:52:50am

re: #358 CuriousLurker

I’ll bet he wouldn’t like it so much after 6 months of nothing else. I’ll bet his health would turn to shit too.

Speaking of health, earlier today I was looking at the actual billed amount for my hospital stay—so far it’s at a little over $375,000. If I didn’t have insurance… O_o

Many years ago, a good friend of mine had a miscarriage, and she didn’t have health insurance. When her bill arrived in the mail a few weeks later, she looked at me and said, “You should’ve just let me die.”

369 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:53:31am

re: #361 Vicious Babushka

Holy freaking shit.

That’s what I was thinking—it’s like 1/3 of a million effing dollars.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it hits close to $500K by the time 100% of the bills are in and I’ve done all the follow-up appointments I need to do.

370 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:53:32am
371 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:54:39am

re: #369 CuriousLurker

That’s what I was thinking—it’s like 1/3 of a million effing dollars.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it hits close to $500K by the time 100% of the bills are in and I’ve done all the follow-up appointments I need to do.

I am disabled today because I broke my ankle in 2004 and self-treated with ice packs and ace bandage instead of going to the ER, because I didn’t have insurance at that time.

372 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:55:01am

re: #369 CuriousLurker

That’s what I was thinking—it’s like 1/3 of a million effing dollars.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it hits close to $500K by the time 100% of the bills are in and I’ve done all the follow-up appointments I need to do.

Do you have deductibles/co-pays? :(

373 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:55:34am

re: #371 Vicious Babushka

I am disabled today because I broke my ankle in 2004 and self-treated with ice packs and ace bandage instead of going to the ER, because I didn’t have insurance at that time.

That totally sucks. It shouldn’t be like that.

374 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:55:56am

re: #365 Romantic Heretic

re: #361 Vicious Babushka

I know, as a Canadian, that I plotz every time I look at American health care bills.

I was talking to someone at a party about how their one daughter wasn’t feeling well, but money was so tight they were debating on taking her to the doctor.

I commented that that particular scenario shows how messed up US healthcare is, and that in other industrialized countries, that would not even be a question.

The incomprehensible stare I got back was depressing. This woman’s basic attitude was, “I don’t get what you’re saying. This how healthcare works.”

Go USA, woo woo…

375 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:57:21am

re: #373 CuriousLurker

That totally sucks. It shouldn’t be like that.

But I get to park in the Blue Zone! Yay me!//

376 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:59:05am

re: #372 Interesting Times

Do you have deductibles/co-pays? :(

Yeah, I have them. They look miniscule next to the big number, but they add up so it’s still gonna take me a while to pay them all off. :(

377 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:02:16am

re: #374 Mattand

Here, I pay $5 when I go to the doc, $10 for the emergency room.

It’s a mixture of public and private in the Czech Republic. You can go to boutique doctors and just pay cash, and it’s not that expensive for small stuff.

Big stuff…..let the insurance handle it.

378 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:02:40am

re: #364 Gus

Snowden currently losing even more progressives.

You sure about that? The emoprogs on my Facebook feed seem even more in love with him than ever today.

379 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:04:24am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

Stockman staffer takes “Food Stamp Challenge”: I ATE GRUEL AND I LIKED IT.

A week??? A week???

Put him on them for six months with no job other than maintaining an apartment and walking around putting in job applications. Then he might be due some respect.

(And even then he has the ability to quit and knows that there is a solid end date to the experience.)

380 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:05:23am

re: #363 Lidane

And Satan left the Unitarian Universalists because they were too liberal for him.
/

381 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:07:14am

re: #340 Vicious Babushka

For lunch I had one of the baguettes that I baked last night. It was hard as a baseball bat. Fortunately I did not break a tooth.

I made another bread dough this morning, let’s hope it’s not another bake Fail.

I’ve been desperately searching all over artisan bread blogs to find out what I did wrong. Over proofing? Under proofing? Not enough knead? Too much knead? Gah.

I find I have more success with I don’t follow the cookbook recipes exactly. In my experience, I always need more yeast and less flour.

I make artisan bread all the time and don’t knead it at all.
I make a huge batch of dough in a 4.7 qt Sterilite container to keep covered in the fridge. When it’s time to make the bread, I cut off a chunk of dough with a knife, quickly shape the loaf, and let it rise before baking it on a breadstone.

382 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:07:59am

re: #375 Vicious Babushka

But I get to park in the Blue Zone! Yay me!//

Thought of your baking posts while I was eating leftover challah bread French Toast this morning.
:)

383 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:11:50am

re: #380 Feline Fearless Leader

And Satan left the Unitarian Universalists because they were too liberal for him.
/

LOL. A lifetime ago, I dated a young woman who was UU, and went with her one time to a UU Fellowship.

I’m an open-minded guy, but all the Kumbayah got to me damned quick.

Of course, once I went to a Friday sermon with a guest imam from Egypt; it was being simultaneously translated into German on a video screen, but Arabic can be - to Western ears - a someone harsh sounding language. The imam was telling us that God commands us to love our fellow men, to look after orphans and the poor, etc., but the way it came across, the way it sounded, made the young German woman who was sitting to my right (ŧhis was a gender-integrated mosque) ask me, “Are you sure that translation is accurate, because it sounds to me like a declaration of war”.

384 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:12:41am

re: #349 DisturbedEma

I always add an extra tsp of yeast when I’m using anything but white bread flour, like wheat or rye, and that’s pretty much all the time—and I use a breadmaker which acts as a mini-proofer (w/heat and no kneading by me). Works every time. I still bake it in the oven, though, taking the dough out after the first rising. Let the oven heat up to 170-200, turn it off, put the pan on top of the stove and let rise as much as it will, even more than an hour if necessary. It helps if the dough is sort of “loose” and I use 1 c liquid to 3 c flour. My loaves are more successful if I don’t follow recipes to the letter.

385 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:16:18am

re: #383 Dr Lizardo

LOL. A lifetime ago, I dated a young woman who was UU, and went with her one time to a UU Fellowship.

I’m an open-minded guy, but all the Kumbayah got to me damned quick.

Of course, once I went to a Friday sermon with a guest imam from Egypt; it was being simultaneously translated into German on a video screen, but Arabic can be - to Western ears - a someone harsh sounding language. The imam was telling us that God commands us to love our fellow men, to look after orphans and the poor, etc., but the way it came across, the way it sounded, made the young German woman who was sitting to my right (ŧhis was a gender-integrated mosque) ask me, “Are you sure that translation is accurate, because it sounds to me like a declaration of war”.

My mother attended UU fellowships. She was a secular humanist / agnostic for the most part. She took part for the social activities and also because she liked singing in choirs. It was a place where you could see a really broad array of religious beliefs in one worship space.

386 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:20:37am

re: #253 b.d.

Since you asked, I think that he and GG have made the story about themselves. Imagine if Snowden had chosen to remain anonymous, what would we be talking about right now?

We’d probably be ridiculing Greenwald for tilting at windmills, while continuing to ignore the explosion of data mining on the net by essentially everyone that can.

I do not find it suprising that businesses do that, or law enforcement, or national security agencies, or other governments.

What I do find surprising is how much these data mining efforts seem to be converging rapidly into one huge multi-national oligarchy/enterprise, and that certain 3-letter agencies seem to be major players in so much of it.

387 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:27:31am

re: #364 Gus

The more you learn…

388 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:28:52am

re: #385 Feline Fearless Leader

My mother attended UU fellowships. She was a secular humanist / agnostic for the most part. She took part for the social activities and also because she liked singing in choirs. It was a place where you could see a really broad array of religious beliefs in one worship space.

That’s very true. The one I went to that one time had a speaker - at least that day - that made Ben Stein sound like a forceful and dynamic motivational speaker. I do have the highest respect for UU’s however, in that they’re encompassing of everyone.

389 Cap'n Magic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:03:13pm

re: #313 darthstar

And lots of journos on that 10-hour flight to Havana that serves no booze.

And they’ll have to stay for 3 days in Cuba before they can leave.

Who just played who here?

390 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:34:52pm

re: #63 Timothy Watson

Good question.
Let’s see…
NEVER.
Thank you, come again!

391 ThomasLite  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:06:47am

re: #383 Dr Lizardo

… Arabic can be - to Western ears - a someone harsh sounding language. … “Are you sure that translation is accurate, because it sounds to me like a declaration of war”.

No offence dude, but from a native German speaker that’s rich. :)


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