GOHMERT! Kids Don’t Need Sex-Ed Because This Isn’t the Soviet Union

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Texas Republican Louie Gohmert needs no introduction.

Let the kids be innocent. Let them dream. Let them play. Let them enjoy their life. You don’t have to force this sexuality stuff into their life at such a point. It was never intended to be that way. They’ll find out soon enough. And, in fact, … mankind has existed for a pretty long time without anyone ever having to give a sex-ed lesson to anybody. And now we feel like, oh gosh, people are too stupid to unless we force them to sit and listen to instructions. It’s just incredible.

And there is a natural law that parents should be involved in education, they should know about, they should be part of the training - that’s a law of nature; Alan Keyes was just talking about it this weekend when we were together. That is such an important part of nature and yet that is the very thing that some of these liberals want to take away.

And it reminds me so much of the summer that I was an exchange student in the Soviet Union back in the Seventies and I was shocked when they were saying ‘no, the children don’t belong to parents, they belong to the state.’ And if any parent said anything in front of their children negative about the wonderful Soviet Union, then we will take their children away and give them to somebody more deserving. And I just thought how horribly shocking that was, that of course parents were the ones who love the children, not the state. And I thought thank God that we don’t have that in our country.

And now I’ve seen this coming with a lady from MSNBC saying “hey, children belong to the state” … and it just sent chills because it took me back to the Seventies when that’s what the Soviet Union used to say and we know how well that worked out.

(Via Right Wing Watch.)

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278 comments
1 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:12:24pm

Yes, do nothing to teach them about sex ed. Look how well it’s worked in Texas…er, okay, bad example.

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2 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:13:40pm

That’s a pretty great fcking pic of Gomer.

3 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:13:43pm

Because kids figuring it out for themselves always leads to the best possible outcome.

Why bother with education at all? People have been around for a long time, they’ll figure it out.

Oh, that’s right, Texas. I forgot.

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:14:21pm

We’re gonna have to bring all the good jokes up from downstairs.

5 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:15:38pm

In Soviet Russia, getting pregnant is sex education.

6 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:15:39pm
Let the kids be innocent. Let them dream. Let them play. Let them enjoy their life.

Louie, Louie, Louie… therein lies the problem…

7 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:16:07pm

Responding to a comment from a prior thread about a “Christian Academy” needing a CEO.

Churches do require a fair bit of administration. Someone has to keep the bills paid and determine where the rest of the tithe money will be spent whether on ministries, community outreach, events at the church, youth group travel and so on and so forth.

At many churches, this is handled by council of elders or similar group headed by a senior preacher/pastor/priest/etc.

Since a “Christian Academy” is a school as well, education related administration needs to be taken care off as well. Someone has to oversee all that.

Don’t get me started on church politics. One thing I do know that is that Christians who work at a church can be as petty, vindictive and conniving as anyone else. Don’t get me wrong, there are some great people who work at churches, but the same is true of non religious organizations as well.

Christians Churches don’t have fewer “bad apples” simply because they generally only keep believers on staff.

8 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:16:28pm
Let the kids be innocent. Let them dream. Let them play. Let them enjoy their life.

Are there no workhouses?!1!!

9 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:16:29pm

re: #5 The Ghost of a Flea

In Soviet Russia, getting pregnant is sex education.

Sorry, sorry.

I meant Texas.

10 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:16:47pm

re: #5 The Ghost of a Flea

In Soviet Russia, getting pregnant is sex education.

Just like Texas then.

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:16:53pm

re: #5 The Ghost of a Flea

In Soviet Russia, getting pregnant is sex education.

In Soviet Russia, Sex educates you!

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:17:37pm
And I just thought how horribly shocking that was, that of course parents were the ones who love the children, not the state. And I thought thank God that we don’t have that in our country.

Then why is the state here so interested in controlling women’s bodies, Louie?

13 Spocomptonite  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:18:16pm
Let them dream. Let them play. Let them enjoy their life.

LOL, this is why kids coming into puberty need sex ed.

14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:18:38pm

re: #2 Bulworth

That’s a pretty great fcking pic of Gomer.

“Neanderthal in search of a corndog…or something…”

15 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:19:00pm

I really get frustrated with these supposedly well meaning individuals who seem to think that it’s totally easy for teenagers to totally suppress and ignore sexual feelings until they get married.

I’m not saying our kids should be out having rampant sex, but to judge these young people for merely having these thoughts and feelings is just ridiculous.

16 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:19:03pm

It’s laissez faire, except when it comes to the fairer sex, in which case, they’re going for the most intrusive measures possible. Government so small, it can fit way up in those lady bits (because Texans in Gohmert-world don’t have sex ed to know what they’re really called).

17 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:19:16pm
And now I’ve seen this coming with a lady from MSNBC saying “hey, children belong to the state” … and it just sent chills because it took me back to the Seventies when that’s what the Soviet Union used to say and we know how well that worked out.

which leads me to my next point about how we the state need to prevent access to birth control and make abortions harder to get.

18 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:20:24pm

re: #8 Bulworth

Are there no workhouses?!1!!

Are there no orphanages???!!!!???

19 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:20:41pm
And now I’ve seen this coming with a lady from MSNBC saying “hey, children belong to the state” … and it just sent chills because it took me back to the Seventies when that’s what the Soviet Union used to say and we know how well that worked out.

Translation: I have no idea who said this or if this was even remotely what the person said, but I’m gonna use it here in this here hearing anyway.

20 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:21:04pm

There was a time when humans did not need sex education, early humans did not have sex in separate rooms in the dark, kids grew up watching it happen and learned by watching….

21 polisurgist  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:21:24pm
Alan Keyes was just talking about it this weekend when we were together.

Care to elaborate on that, Louie?

22 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:21:26pm

re: #19 Bulworth

Translation: I have no idea who said this or if this was even remotely what the person said, but I’m gonna use it here in this here hearing anyway.

Somebody Tweeted it on TGDN, so it has to be true!

23 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:21:33pm

re: #19 Bulworth

Translation: I have no idea who said this or if this was even remotely what the person said, but I’m gonna use it here in this here hearing anyway.

Melissa Harris Perry at MSNBC

24 freetoken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:23:54pm

Speaking of the GOP, and of Soviet style society, here’s a letter in today’s NJ.com:


Letters: Republican candidate thanks supporters

I am giving great thanks to all 144 United Republican Coalition members and fellow Republicans for their support to get out the message of the RINO (Republican In Name Only) problem in our party. Our mission in regards to the latest election got accomplished exactly as planned.

[…]

The URC main mission is purification of the Republican spirit under the guidance of our Constitution and our Lord. URC membership is by invitation only and all URC members are sworn to uphold certain secret codes.

May God continue to bless America.

HARMEN VOS, URC CHIEF
Clinton Township

Part of me wants to believe this is just parody. However, this same person started this back in 2009:

United Republican Coaliton is born

So Vos could be serious. If that be the case, he is seriously demonstrating how backwards the hard core is willing to go.

25 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:24:05pm

re: #20 Sol Berdinowitz

There was a time when humans did not need sex education, early humans did not have sex in separate rooms in the dark, kids grew up watching it happen and learned by watching….

Was that back when we were godless heathens walking around with the dinosaurs?

Joking aside, while I get what you are saying here, the concept you describe is TOTALLY unworkable in our modern times (for obvious reasons).

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:24:17pm

re: #20 Sol Berdinowitz

There was a time when humans did not need sex education, early humans did not have sex in separate rooms in the dark, kids grew up watching it happen and learned by watching….

That’s how it happened during the Puritan days.

27 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:24:31pm

Gohmert thinks communities are a vile socialist plot to destroy America.

28 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:26:09pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Was that back when we were godless heathens walking around with the dinosaurs?

Joking aside, while I get what you are saying here, the concept you describe is TOTALLY unworkable in our modern times (for obvious reasons).

“Dad, what exactly are the riding crop and latex novelty item for?”

“Those are just for me dear, your mom’s stuff is all under the sink.”
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29 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:26:18pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Was that back when we were godless heathens walking around with the dinosaurs?

Joking aside, while I get what you are saying here, the concept you describe is TOTALLY unworkable in our modern times (for obvious reasons).

Which is why we have to replace it with reasonable education.

I am all for the conservative concept of personal responsibility and asking young people to take responsibiility for their bodies and their actions.

But if we are going to demand that they take such responsibility, we need to give them the information they need to make decisions and not just shame them or use scare tactics.

30 freetoken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:26:29pm

There is some serious fretting going on in the wingnut world about the impending USSC rulings on gay marriage and DOMA. Apparently it’s the end of the world or something.

31 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:28:28pm

I’d be willing to bet that Glenn Greenwald is having (or has already had) a serious discussion with his attorney. This latest news about Snowden really changes his situation.

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:28:53pm

re: #30 freetoken

There is some serious fretting going on in the wingnut world about the impending USSC rulings on gay marriage and DOMA. Apparently it’s the end of the world or something.

If you are a full-on Dominionist, then it is: they believe that we owe our exceptional status to the fact that we reflect (their bigoted, narrow-minded view of) God’s Divine Will in our legislation.

The second we start allowing gay marriage, abortion, foodstamps, legal immigration, etc., we are violating that sacred covenant and inviting Him to smite us with His holy wrath.

33 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:29:08pm

Why we need Sex Ed classes in school:

‘Seduction guide’ author apologizes: Parts of the book can ‘easily be misconstrued’

The author of a “seduction guide” that preached “physical escalation” and constant touching of women apologized for some of its content while complaining that it can be misinterpreted in a statement posted online on Monday.

“I fully admit that there are parts in the book where the words can easily be misconstrued and there are indeed parts in the book that are harmful,” “Above The Game” writer Ken Hoinsky said in a YouTube video accompanying the statement. “Seeing this and realizing that has absolutely given me the motivation and the drive to go back and completely revise all the parts that could be harmful to readers.”

Hoinsky did not specify which parts he felt were being “misconstrued” and which were sincerely dangerous, but his fundraising efforts to publish the book amassed criticism after getting brought to light on June 19, hours before the deadline to raise the money.

Misconstrued? I fail to see how telling someone to take out their dicks and force women to touch it can be misconstrued.

34 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:29:50pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

I’d be willing to bet that Glenn Greenwald is having (or has already had) a serious discussion with his attorney. This latest news about Snowden really changes his situation.

“You were supposed to stay on script! Why didn’t you stay on script?”

35 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:29:58pm

re: #27 Kragar

Gohmert thinks communities are a vile socialist plot to destroy America.

Anything short of acid rain, an exploding factory in every small town, and crime scene tape around each and every tampon is socialism.

36 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:30:08pm

Gohmert apparently still traumatized by the coach’s little talk to the 7th grade boys.

37 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:30:24pm

re: #30 freetoken

There is some serious fretting going on in the wingnut world about the impending USSC rulings on gay marriage and DOMA. Apparently it’s the end of the world or something.

“AVENGE ME!”
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38 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:30:56pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

I’d be willing to bet that Glenn Greenwald is having (or has already had) a serious discussion with his attorney. This latest news about Snowden really changes his situation.

That conversation may have gone like this:

Pre news: Are you nuts? Don’t you realize you’re setting yourself up for a big mess, legal bills, and quite possibly criminal charges?

Post news: Are you $@%$@^ nuts?! Don’t you realize you’re setting yourself up for a big mess, legal bills, and quite possibly criminal charges?

And I’m curious what the legal team at The Guardian are thinking, as well as WaPo, both of whom are wondering to what crazy train they’ve hitched on to.

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:31:31pm

re: #37 Kragar

“AVENGE ME!”
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By Grabthar’s Hammer, I will avenge you!!!

40 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:31:46pm

re: #37 Kragar

We might not be able to save the America that only existed in a fever dream of socon bliss, but we will be able to avenge it. /

41 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:33:41pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

I’d be willing to bet that Glenn Greenwald is having (or has already had) a serious discussion with his attorney. This latest news about Snowden really changes his situation.

I am sure he is hoping his own attorney is better than the attorney he is.

42 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:34:01pm

re: #24 freetoken

Speaking of the GOP, and of Soviet style society, here’s a letter in today’s NJ.com:

Letters: Republican candidate thanks supporters

Part of me wants to believe this is just parody. However, this same person started this back in 2009:

United Republican Coaliton is born

So Vos could be serious. If that be the case, he is seriously demonstrating how backwards the hard core is willing to go.

Isn’t becoming officeholders and upholding secret codes as being more important and superseding their oaths of office to uphold and support their state (or national) constitution and laws sound somewhat…
…socialist and commie?
// ;P

43 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:34:03pm

re: #38 lawhawk

That conversation may have gone like this:

Pre news: Are you nuts? Don’t you realize you’re setting yourself up for a big mess, legal bills, and quite possibly criminal charges?

Post news: Are you $@%$@^ nuts?! Don’t you realize you’re setting yourself up for a big mess, legal bills, and quite possibly criminal charges?

And I’m curious what the legal team at The Guardian are thinking, as well as WaPo, both of whom are wondering to what crazy train they’ve hitched on to.

I wonder if his lawyer doesnt give him the advice he wants and he goes to use the services of this guy?

44 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:34:46pm

re: #42 Feline Fearless Leader

Isn’t becoming officeholders and upholding secret codes as being more important and superseding their oaths of office to uphold and support their state (or national) constitution and laws sound somewhat…
…socialist and commie?
// ;P

How do I get my secret code decoder ring?

45 Shockingly, Pathetically Low  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:34:56pm

“Lady from MSNBC” is Rachel Maddow (surprise!), and what she said — I’m paraphrasing — is that we’ll get better education when we stop thinking that every child is the sole responsibility of its parents, and agree that the community also has some stake in children and their upbringing.

Right-wing heads exploded across the nation.

46 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:35:01pm

re: #39 Sol Berdinowitz

By Grabthar’s Hammer, I will avenge you!!!

There was a guy in SW:OTR the other night who was RP a guy in chat calling out “BY GRABTHAR’S HAMMER” before everything he said.

47 dragonath  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:35:15pm

re: #38 lawhawk

And I’m curious what the legal team at The Guardian are thinking, as well as WaPo, both of whom are wondering to what crazy train they’ve hitched on to.

At least we got some enduring classics of hyperbole out of the deal, like that Rowson cartoon equating Obama with Stalin and Nixon.

48 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:35:35pm

re: #16 lawhawk

…snip.. it can fit way up in those lady bits (because Texans in Gohmert-world don’t have sex ed to know what they’re really called).

It’s called ‘hoo-hah’, and sex is called ‘yee-haw in the hoo-hah’.

I speak shitkicker.

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:36:36pm

re: #45 LWNJ

“Lady from MSNBC” is Rachel Maddow (surprise!), and what she said — I’m paraphrasing — is that we’ll get better education when we stop thinking that every child is the sole responsibility of its parents, and agree that the community also has some stake in children and their upbringing.

Right-wing heads exploded across the nation.

No, it was Melissa Harris-Perry.

50 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:37:26pm

re: #48 Decatur Deb

It’s called ‘hoo-hah’, and sex is called ‘yee-haw in the hoo-hah’.

I speak shitkicker.

I’m thinking of Mel Brooks speaking at the lecture in “High Anxiety.”

51 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:38:27pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, it was Melissa Harris-Perry.

I think a few of the MSNBC hosts each cut a commercial on the subject. Perry just had the one that pissed off wingnuts the most.

52 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:39:32pm

re: #45 LWNJ

“Lady from MSNBC” is Rachel Maddow (surprise!), and what she said — I’m paraphrasing — is that we’ll get better education when we stop thinking that every child is the sole responsibility of its parents, and agree that the community also has some stake in children and their upbringing.

Right-wing heads exploded across the nation.

When we all lived out on our own 40 acres that we carved out of the wilderness by the sweat of our brows, then kids were almost exclusively the responsibility of their parents, there wasn’t anybody else around to influence them.

And as long as people continue to have their heads stuck in this Jeffersonian ideal of gentlemen farmers, they will not be able to understand the role that the community plays in raising children.

53 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:39:54pm

re: #45 LWNJ

It wasn’t Maddow. It was Mellissa Harris Perry. She did a 2nd commercial which expanded on the first.

Hearing the first made me cringe because I knew what was going to happen.

54 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:40:01pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

I’d be willing to bet that Glenn Greenwald is having (or has already had) a serious discussion with his attorney. This latest news about Snowden really changes his situation.

Considering his bit yesterday, I’m wondering how many more revelations like today’s it will be before Greenwald lawyers up and starts trying to pin the whole idea on Snowden.

55 Mike Lamb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:40:31pm

A) What does Louie think (a lot of) boys are dreaming about after maybe 13 years old (and probably earlier)?

B) “Natural law”? “Law of Nature”? I guess missed all of those National Geographic shows that had videos of bears teaching their kids about sex…

56 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:40:33pm

re: #30 freetoken

There is some serious fretting going on in the wingnut world about the impending USSC rulings on gay marriage and DOMA. Apparently it’s the end of the world or something.

If the USSC goes against the wingnuts, I’m expecting the derpocalypse to be utterly epic.

57 Shockingly, Pathetically Low  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:41:06pm

re: #51 Kragar

I think a few of the MSNBC hosts each cut a commercial on the subject. Perry just had the one that pissed off wingnuts the most.

I’m sure I heard Rachel Maddow saying it too, but it could also have been during a break in the Maddow show that Harris-Parry said it, and I just conflated them.

I don’t see any sign of either of them saying kids belong to the state. (Although I’d argue that “the state” has some responsibility in some cases — e.g. child abuse. So go ahead and denounce me.)

58 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:41:44pm

re: #57 LWNJ

I’m sure I heard Rachel Maddow saying it too, but it could also have been during a break in the Maddow show that Harris-Parry said it, and I just conflated them.

I don’t see any sign of either of them saying kids belong to the state. (Although I’d argue that “the state” has some responsibility in some cases — e.g. child abuse. So go ahead and denounce me.)

Hearing things that no one said is a valued trait in conservative circles.

59 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:42:53pm

re: #55 Mike Lamb

A) What does Louie think (a lot of) boys are dreaming about after maybe 13 years old (and probably earlier)?

B) “Natural law”? “Law of Nature”? I guess missed all of those National Geographic shows that had videos of bears teaching their kids about sex…

If fetuses can masturbate, they don’t need sex education!

60 Shockingly, Pathetically Low  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:43:01pm

re: #58 Kragar

Hearing things that no one said is a valued trait in conservative circles.

As long as you don’t think I’M hearing things no-one said.

61 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:43:31pm

Andrew Ross Sorkin: ‘I’d Almost Arrest Glenn Greenwald’

Andrew Ross Sorkin, a financial columnist for the New York Times and a commentator for CNBC, said on-air that he’d “almost arrest” Greenwald along with NSA leaker Edward Snowden, who fled Hong Kong for Russia on Sunday in the hopes of ultimately receiving asylum in Ecuador.

“I would arrest [Snowden] and now I’d almost arrest Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who seems to be out there, he wants to help him get to Ecuador or whatever,” Sorkin said.

62 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:43:36pm

re: #55 Mike Lamb

A) What does Louie think (a lot of) boys are dreaming about after maybe 13 years old (and probably earlier)?

“snips and snails and puppydog tails” of course!

63 Shockingly, Pathetically Low  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:43:57pm

re: #59 Sol Berdinowitz

If fetuses can masturbate, they don’t need sex education!

I was going to say “what about girls,” but we all know girls don’t need sex education at all, except from their husbands on their wedding night.

64 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:44:32pm

re: #63 LWNJ

I was going to say “what about girls,” but we all know girls don’t need sex education at all, except from their husbands on their wedding night.

Texas foreplay: “Brace yourself!”
/

65 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:45:09pm

We all know that teenagers would never begin to think about sex if we did not force it on them in sex ed class…

66 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:45:11pm

ZOMG! Why is POTUS being so mean to a hero?

/Libertarian

67 dragonath  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:45:14pm

Are you people suggesting Texas is less than the best place for children to be brought up in?

//

68 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:45:41pm

Watch the Zimmerman trial live: nbcnews.com

69 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:46:14pm

re: #67 dragonath

Are you people suggesting Texas is less than the best place for children to be brought up in?

//

Texas isn’t a fit place for humans to be brought up in.

70 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:46:34pm

re: #67 dragonath

Are you people suggesting Texas is less than the best place for children to be brought up in?

//

centerville

71 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:47:04pm

re: #65 Sol Berdinowitz

We all know that teenagers would never begin to think about sex if we did not force it on them in sex ed class…

It’s not like there’s a giant high-speed information system that they could consult, but be unable to discern quality information from dreck.

Or watch porn and get really weird ideas about what constitutes normal sex.

72 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:48:26pm

re: #32 Sol Berdinowitz

If you are a full-on Dominionist, then it is: they believe that we owe our exceptional status to the fact that we reflect (their bigoted, narrow-minded view of) God’s Divine Will in our legislation.

The second we start allowing gay marriage, abortion, foodstamps, legal immigration, etc., we are violating that sacred covenant and inviting Him to smite us with His holy wrath.

Just like the Taliban.

73 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:49:16pm

re: #72 Romantic Heretic

Just like the Taliban.

They just have a slightly differernt bigoted, narrow-minded view of God’s Divine Will…

74 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:49:43pm

Seriously, the teabaggop, with two years of anti-abortion legislation under its belt is the last party that should be whining about another party’s claiming people belong to the State.

75 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:50:08pm

re: #71 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s not like there’s a giant high-speed information system that they could consult, but be unable to discern quality information from dreck.

Or watch porn and get really weird ideas about what constitutes normal sex.

WAIT!! YOU MEAN THE STORY OF O ISN’T HOW IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE?!!

//

76 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:50:12pm

Inevitable:


Yes. Because POTUS has never, ever been questioned in DC. Ever.

77 dragonath  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:52:01pm

I’ve only been to Texas once, when I was making a road trip.

On the way out of Ft Worth I ran across a garage that was too lazy to change the oil on my car.

“Oh we don’t have any”

WTF

78 BongCrodny  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:52:43pm

Louie Louie
Oh no
Me gotta derp.

79 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:53:29pm

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

WAIT!! YOU MEAN THE STORY OF O ISN’T HOW IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE?!!

//

My first girlfriend was a teerribly repressed Catholic girl who says she went along to see “Behind the Green Door” and came away positively terrified of sex and sexuality as a result…she assumed it was all supposed to be expressionless and mechanical.

80 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:55:14pm
81 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:55:28pm

re: #76 Lidane

Well, there are many reasons to be critical of the DC Media Village, but not every self-described Patriotic Hero Whistleblower True Journalist is above criticism.

82 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:56:06pm

Greenwald spewing insults in all directions.

83 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:56:27pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Glenn, now you’re just acting the fool. You’re the one who declared on Twitter that you’d been talking with Snowden a month before he took the job.

84 dragonath  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:56:37pm

Greenwald is a real funny guy, isn’t he?

85 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:56:47pm


No word if Edward Snowden was hiding with Rusty.

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:57:04pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

yeah, Gellman and WaPo should have been really brave and run away to Hong Kong…

87 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:57:35pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Greenwald spewing insults in all directions.

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88 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:58:38pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Greenwald spewing insults in all directions.

Glenn, you admitted to the public that you’ve been in contact with Snowden since before he put his plan in motion. Not only did you refuse to contact the authorities about his plan, you then took what he gave you and published it without a second thought. If that’s not conspiracy, then I don’t know what is.

89 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:58:51pm

“This interesting fish has swum into our nets of its own accord, and it would be unthinkable of our special services to miss this rare chance to talk to a U.S. defector associated with the CIA,” [former KGB general] Kondaurov said in an interview with The Times.
latimes.com

90 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:00:01pm

re: #89 jaunte

“This interesting fish has swum into our nets of its own accord, and it would be unthinkable of our special services to miss this rare chance to talk to a U.S. defector associated with the CIA,” [former KGB general] Kondaurov said in an interview with The Times.
latimes.com

Well, this gets worse and worse.

91 dragonath  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:00:13pm

re: #89 jaunte

“This interesting fish” is a mild way to put it.

92 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:00:24pm

re: #90 Joanne

All in a day’s work for a True American Patriotic Hero.

93 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:01:20pm

re: #79 Sol Berdinowitz

Oh, my. Behind The Green Door could definitely give someone rather peculiar ideas of sexuality, especially if viewed at a relatively impressionable age.

94 freetoken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:02:55pm

re: #89 jaunte

Snowjob and GG have so lost the bubble on this one.

This story is now not really about the NSA, but rather about a narcissistic (but bright) young outcast being the tool of an activist pretending to be a journalist, with the entire world’s spy/intelligence apparatus as the backdrop, playing a fool’s game on the stage of the internet.

95 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:03:44pm

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

Oh, my. Behind The Green Door could definitely give someone rather peculiar ideas of sexuality, especially if viewed at a relatively impressionable age.

I found my dad’s secret copy of “Debbie does Dallas” to be much more informative.

96 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:04:02pm

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

Oh, my. Behind The Green Door could definitely give someone rather peculiar ideas of sexuality, especially if viewed at a relatively impressionable age.

She was already 22 or 23 when she saw it, just terribly repressed and inexperienced in her pre-Vatican II Catholic upbringing, she had already been taught to be terrified of sex by the nuns and that film just reinforced her insecurities.

She remained a virgin until 28, when I met her…

97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:05:04pm

Interesting NRA interpretation of SYG:

…Governor Sean Parnell (R) signed into law House Bill 24. This landmark self-defense improvement law ensures stronger protections for law-abiding Alaskans from criminals and criminal prosecution if he or she must exercise necessary self-defense measures without retreating from any place they have a legal right to be.

Alaska governor signed important pro-gun legislation

98 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:05:15pm

Maybe this is why he didn’t get on the plane. It’s flying over US airspace.

99 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:05:17pm

re: #89 jaunte

“This interesting fish has swum into our nets of its own accord, and it would be unthinkable of our special services to miss this rare chance to talk to a U.S. defector associated with the CIA,” [former KGB general] Kondaurov said in an interview with The Times.
latimes.com

I could be mistaken, but somehow I really don’t imagine being “debriefed” by the Russian intelligence services involves black tea, pastries and pleasant conversations.

Or maybe it does. It might depend on how nice they feel like being to the debrief-ee.

100 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:06:27pm

re: #94 freetoken

Snowjob and GG have so lost the bubble on this one.

This story is now not really about the NSA, but rather about a narcissistic (but bright) young outcast being the tool of an activist pretending to be a journalist, with the entire world’s spy/intelligence apparatus as the backdrop, playing a fool’s game on the stage of the internet.

In their rush to unveil a criminal conspiracy regard the illegal collection of information, they failed to notice the only crimes they were reporting were ones they committed.

101 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:06:27pm

‘Cowardly’ not to accuse Barton Gellman of that which is ‘moronic’ to accuse Greenwald of.

Got it, I think….

102 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:07:16pm

re: #95 Kragar

Heh. A classic from the Golden Age of Porn. One of the last ‘classics’ of that era, actually, before the transition to video.

103 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:07:39pm

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

Maybe this is why he didn’t get on the plane. It’s flying over US airspace.

When he jumps from the landing gear wearing a wingsuit and lands on a waiting speedboat, who will be laughing then?

104 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:07:42pm

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

I could be mistaken, but somehow I really don’t imagine being “debriefed” by the Russian intelligence services involves black tea, pastries and pleasant conversations.

Or maybe it does. It might depend on how nice they feel like being to the debrief-ee.

But if you don’t talk, you get the ten-hour YouTube “Trololo” video on permanent loop…

105 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:07:56pm

re: #96 Sol Berdinowitz

When I was much, much younger, I dated a Mormon girl.

My oh my…..she was such a horndog.

106 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:08:25pm

re: #103 Kragar

When he jumps from the landing gear wearing a wingNUTsuit and lands on a waiting speedboat, who will be laughing then?

FTFY

107 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:08:58pm
108 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:09:21pm

re: #104 Sol Berdinowitz

But if you don’t talk, you get the ten-hour YouTube “Trololo” video on permanent loop…

LOLOLOLOL!

109 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:10:05pm

Greenwald’s freaking out again on CNN right now.

110 dragonath  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:10:52pm

Snowden is probably the only person in the world wishing he was in Cleveland right now.

111 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:11:47pm

re: #107 NJDhockeyfan

What do you wanna bet Assange and the Wikinuts got to Snowden and promised him they’d do what Greenwald couldn’t, namely get him out of HK before the authorities arrested him and handed him over to the US?

112 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:12:46pm

Jake Tapper gave Greenwald a total softball interview. Not a single substantive question - just excuses for Greenwald to continue with his propagandizing. That was absurd.

113 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:12:51pm

re: #104 Sol Berdinowitz

But if you don’t talk, you get the ten-hour YouTube “Trololo” video on permanent loop…

All you need to do is repeat to yourself “We are the D!”

Youtube Video

114 freetoken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:13:59pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Though GG has laid an egg with this entire affair, it is a golden one. CNN can do daily interviews with him, to boost their ratings.

115 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:16:43pm

re: #114 freetoken

Though GG has laid an egg with this entire affair, it is a golden one. CNN can do daily interviews with him, to boost their ratings.

What choice. Listen to CNN fawn over Greenwald, or their constant coverage of the Zimmerman trial.

116 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:17:52pm
117 William of Orange  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:18:35pm

Ever seen the son of Billy Graham looking like a deer in the headlights?
And that he was grilled by a Fox host?? In what world does John Stossel live where he can question the views of a religious fanatic??

Watch and enjoy.

Kudos to Kotaku.

118 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:18:50pm
119 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:18:55pm

I’ve been noticing that Greenwald carefully calibrates how crazy he gets, based on how “mainstream” a source he’s talking to. His most batshit statements are always to the fringe outlets.

120 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:20:10pm

Sex Ed? No Way, we need more white babies… ignorance is the way to get them.

All in the name of G-d … .


you?

121 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:20:49pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

I’ve been noticing that Greenwald carefully calibrates how crazy he gets, based on how “mainstream” a source he’s talking to. His most batshit statements are always to the fringe outlets.

Which makes him more of a personal marketing expert than a journalist.

122 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:21:39pm

re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg

Which makes him more of a personal marketing expert than a journalist.

journalism is marketing

123 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:22:54pm

re: #122 Sol Berdinowitz

journalism is marketing

True but the journalist is not supposed to be what is being marketed.

124 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:24:01pm

Stupid wingnut meme: WTF is this even supposed to mean?
“Business Owner” creates $50 million worth of jrrbz (who is this “business owner” and does he pay his workers minimum wage) is “better” than Ellen who doesn’t give “enough” to charity.
WTF
My brain hurtz from Teh Stupid

125 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:24:31pm

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

True but the journalist is not supposed to be what is being marketed.

there was a time when that statement was valid…but that distinction died years ago.

126 Minor_L  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:26:15pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Jake Tapper gave Greenwald a total softball interview. Not a single substantive question - just excuses for Greenwald to continue with his propagandizing. That was absurd.

Obviously, Tapper is a “servant” to government power.

I feel like everything Greenwald says/does now becomes immediately self-refuting. In combination with his refusal to ever directly answer a question and his continual ad hominem attacks, he has just gone full HACK.

127 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:27:14pm

re: #117 William of Orange

Ever seen the son of Billy Graham looking like a deer in the headlights?
And that he was grilled by a Fox host?? In what world does John Stossel live where he can question the views of a religious fanatic??

Watch and enjoy.

Kudos to Kotaku.

“WE NEED TO HAVE A STUDY!”

Except that is the last thing the 2nd Amendment nutters want done.

128 freetoken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:27:27pm

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, sort of like the tens of thousands of people working in the cinema and TV industry in the LA area are not working in real jobs.

129 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:28:20pm

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

It means totally great new material for Mitt Romney to take out on the road.

130 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:28:48pm

re: #128 freetoken

Yeah, sort of like the tens of thousands of people working in the cinema and TV industry in the LA area are not working in real jobs.

Just like there are No Jobs in Detroit, except for all the jobs at GM and Chrysler and Ford and all the contractors and suppliers. NO JOBS AT ALL. Because look HERE IS A PICTURE OF A SLUM.

131 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:31:18pm
132 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:32:26pm

re: #131 Interesting Times

You never see them in the same room at the same time…

133 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:33:44pm
134 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:35:30pm

re: #133 darthstar

I just imagined Snowden in that situation.

Youtube Video

135 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:36:50pm
136 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:38:29pm

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Glenn thinks he’s Ron Burgundy.

Youtube Video

137 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:38:48pm
138 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:39:14pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Image: IRRELEVANT.jpg

139 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:39:26pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

“These are not the story details you’re looking for.”

140 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:39:36pm
141 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:40:00pm

re: #133 darthstar

Imagine sittng windowless room with Russian intel types as realization dawns that he has forsaken protections of U.S. citizenship.


Heh. Like these legendary fellas?

Image: Felix_Dzerzhinsky_1919.jpg

Image: 220px-1936_genrich_grigorijewitsch_jagoda.jpg

Image: y-olhl.jpg

Image: lavrentiy-beria_3-t.jpg

142 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:40:04pm
143 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:40:19pm

re: #140 darthstar

I’m fine with ‘both’.

144 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:40:28pm

re: #122 Sol Berdinowitz

journalism is marketing

In the US anyway. Sad, but true.

The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists were featured on Sirius NPR On the Media Saturday. The speaker highlighted that their work has been headline news all over the world, but not in the US. Why? the ICIJ rep said that the newspapers in the US wanted big names, once it was clear there were no headline names involved (that they knew of at the time) they weren’t interested in the story. The Market drives the Media in the US.

And we point fingers at other country’s for their censorship… . .

Same with the Murdoch/Fox News wire-tapping scandal. If it weren’t for the internet and bloggers, we would be totally ignorant.
Youtube Video

145 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:40:55pm
146 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:40:59pm

re: #140 darthstar

I can imagine Greenwald falling back on the “I’m an incompetent douchebag” defense.

147 Minor_L  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:41:48pm

I notice that in that Greg Sargent article, neither of them addresses Greenwald’s error in saying that it was a moronic conspiracy theory to think that Snowden took the job at Booz Allen for the purpose of gaining access to the documents.

148 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:42:09pm

Yay, Sarah! Keep that republican rebranding iron hot in the fire!

149 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:42:11pm

re: #146 Kragar

I can imagine Greenwald falling back on the “I’m an incompetent douchebag” defense.

Preferably said in a whiny, nasal voice while curled up in the fetal position.

150 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:42:24pm

re: #145 darthstar

Its is a well known fact that people who claim false flags are in fact false flags themselves.

FACT!
/

151 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:43:04pm

re: #147 Minor_L

I notice that in that Greg Sargent article, neither of them addresses Greenwald’s error in saying that it was a moronic conspiracy theory to think that Snowden took the job at Booz Allen for the purpose of gaining access to the documents.

Image: IRRELEVANT.jpg

152 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:43:14pm

re: #148 darthstar

Please procede…

153 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:43:45pm

re: #144 FemNaziBitch

In the US anyway. Sad, but true.

The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists were featured on Sirius NPR On the Media Saturday. The speaker highlighted that their work has been headline news all over the world, but not in the US. Why? the ICIJ rep said that the newspapers in the US wanted big names, once it was clear there were no headline names involved (that they knew of at the time) they weren’t interested in the story. The Market drives the Media in the US.

And we point fingers at other country’s for their censorship… . .

Same with the Murdoch/Fox News wire-tapping scandal. If it weren’t for the internet and bloggers, we would be totally ignorant.
[Embedded content]

And we are distracted by a Snowjob. …

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:44:03pm

re: #148 darthstar

Yay, Sarah! Keep that republican rebranding iron hot in the fire!

Sarah Palin “rallies troops”…yeah, all ten or so of them at her fan club…

155 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:44:05pm

re: #149 Dr Lizardo

Preferably said in a whiny, nasal voice while curled up in the fetal position.

I imagine that scene with Glenn in a puddle and stained pants.

156 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:46:44pm

This frikken gohmert of a man seems to think sex-ed is all about teaching kids how to screw and he figures that isn’t necessary because, just like the dogs we are, nature will take its course and we’ll have little gohmerts running around all over the place.

Dim bulb that he is, can’t conceive of the possibility that sex-ed is to teach the kids that screwing each other can lead to miniature gohmerts sucking off the teats and labours of young unemployable, uneducated teenagers.

157 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:48:35pm

re: #146 Kragar

I can imagine Greenwald falling back on the “I’m an incompetent douchebag” defense.

Likely. It is rapidly boiling down to the common “criminal or incompetent” choice.

158 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:48:42pm

So according to Zimmerman’s lawyer, if I feel threatened near a concrete structure, I can kill anyone I want because they could potentially use it as a deadly weapon against me?

Is that his defense?

Fuck, I’d be asking for a plea bargain right now after listening to that.

159 dragonath  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:49:03pm

The longer this goes on, the more I wonder how big a streak of malevolence Snowdon has. The liberals who are insisting that he is a hero are only helping obliterate the tenuous distinction between whistleblowing and conspiracy as far as lawmakers are concerned.

160 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:50:04pm
161 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:50:52pm

“He pulls a sidewalk, you pull a gun. That is the Florida way.”

162 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:51:34pm

re: #160 darthstar

“Did you do any of the reading leading up to this day?”

163 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:51:47pm

re: #158 Kragar

We are fast approaching peak derp for the day.

164 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:53:06pm

Jeez, Greenwald has to be the biggest WATB.

165 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:54:39pm

re: #45 LWNJ

“Lady from MSNBC” is Rachel Maddow (surprise!), and what she said — I’m paraphrasing — is that we’ll get better education when we stop thinking that every child is the sole responsibility of its parents, and agree that the community also has some stake in children and their upbringing.

Right-wing heads exploded across the nation.

Sounds nothing close to what Gohmert took away. The man is an idiot. (My apologies to professional idiots everywhere)

166 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:55:00pm

re: #107 NJDhockeyfan

Now we know he’s lying.

167 Minor_L  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:55:14pm

re: #164 Joanne

He is. He’s not completely wrong about the Beltway media, but he’s such an egomaniacal jackass that his actual points can’t be heard over all the braying.

168 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:55:18pm

PRISM: The Movie

Starring Will Ferrell as Glenn Greenwald and
Robert Pattinson as Edward Snowden.

169 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:55:43pm

re: #165 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

He may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot, but don’t let that fool you - he really is an idiot.

170 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:56:25pm

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

PRISM: The Movie

Starring Will Ferrell as Glenn Greenwald and
Robert Pattinson as Edward Snowden.

For that movie, I’d suggest Will Ferrell stick to his Ron Burgundy character to play Glenn Greenwald.

171 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:56:52pm

re: #165 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Sounds nothing close to what Gohmert took away. The man is an idiot. (My apologies to professional idiots everywhere)

Hey! Don’t talk about Wall Street bankers that way!

172 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:57:16pm

re: #63 LWNJ

I was going to say “what about girls,” but we all know girls don’t need sex education at all, except from their husbands on their wedding night.

Just have to tell them that anal prevent pregnancies. As do lesbian affairs.

173 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:57:36pm
174 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:58:31pm
175 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:58:44pm

re: #172 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Just have to tell them that anal prevent pregnancies. As do lesbian affairs.

Saddlebacking

176 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:59:49pm

re: #96 Sol Berdinowitz

She was already 22 or 23 when she saw it, just terribly repressed and inexperienced in her pre-Vatican II Catholic upbringing, she had already been taught to be terrified of sex by the nuns and that film just reinforced her insecurities.

She remained a virgin until 28, when I met her…

Was ramming speed involved?

177 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 1:59:55pm

re: #174 NJDhockeyfan

Mr.Caruso should not denigrate himself that way.

178 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:00:25pm

re: #164 Joanne

Jeez, Greenwald has to be the biggest WATB.

Christ, the Snowden/Greenwald hero worship has got to be seen to be believed. I was reading Pharyngula and Will Bunch of the Philly Daily News earlier. Literally the only position being entertained is that Snowden is a hero. End of story.

I shudder to think about how sites like Raw Story and Crooks & Liars are dealing with this. The amount of tin foil being employed must be record breaking.

179 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:02:03pm

re: #178 Mattand

Christ, the Snowden/Greenwald hero worship has got to be seen to be believed. I was reading Pharyngula and Will Bunch of the Philly Daily News earlier. Literally the only position being entertained is that Snowden is a hero. End of story.

I shudder to think about sites like and Raw Story and Crooks & Liars are dealing with this. The amount of tin foil being employed must be record breaking.

At this point, they need tinfoil glasses to go with the hats. Maybe tinfoil headphones, too.

180 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:02:09pm

re: #172 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Just have to tell them that anal prevent pregnancies. As do lesbian affairs.

Of course, no sex ed also means no sense of safe sex, so they’ll not be able to identify what kind of STI they got. And noone’s going to teach them how to have comfortable, non-injurious anal sex either.

Generally speaking this whole “keep ‘em innocent” thing is always bad for women and girls, while excuses are made for guys getting their rocks off.

181 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:03:29pm

re: #178 Mattand

Christ, the Snowden/Greenwald hero worship has got to be seen to be believed. I was reading Pharyngula and Will Bunch of the Philly Daily News earlier. Literally the only position being entertained is that Snowden is a hero. End of story.

I shudder to think about sites like and Raw Story and Crooks & Liars are dealing with this. The amount of tin foil being employed must be record breaking.

Hubby reads C&L and he said but for the two moronic front page posters, the comments are quite lukewarm to hostile to Snowden.

I will take his word. I left C&L after they brought that idiotic Susie Madrak on. She is a complete embarrassment. I have rarely seen front page posters as inept as she is. If they keep it up, they are going to go full firebagger.

Good riddance. I don’t need that level of stupid as part of my day.

182 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:03:52pm

re: #174 NJDhockeyfan

Caruso needs to be careful before he says something like “I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!”

183 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:04:25pm
184 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:05:31pm
185 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:05:56pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

Mr.Caruso should not denigrate himself that way.

Really…evenly matched? Talk about self-deprecating language.

186 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:07:17pm
187 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:08:23pm


Back to work….

188 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:11:10pm

re: #181 Joanne

Hubby reads C&L and he said but for the two moronic front page posters, the comments are quite lukewarm to hostile to Snowden.

I will take his word. I left C&L after they brought that idiotic Susie Madrak on. She is a complete embarrassment. I have rarely seen front page posters as inept as she is. If they keep it up, they are going to go full firebagger.

Good riddance. I don’t need that level of stupid as part of my day.

I think I had a couple of go’s at Susie in the comments section. She’s actually based out of Philly.

She can really be a dichotomy in many ways. Madrak is incredibly passionate about health care reform, and her stories about wrestling with the system are heartbreaking.

On the other hand, she’s the walking definition of lefty paranoia when it comes to things like genetically modified foods. Could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure she’s antivax.

Madrak got into a argument with Orac over at Respectful Insolence, who is a practicing oncologist. She misinterpreted something he wrote as supporting her position, when in reality he was arguing against it. I think she went into “I don’t care if you’re an expert, you don’t know shit!” mode after that.

189 engineer cat  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:11:17pm

re: #182 Kragar

Caruso needs to be careful before he says something like “I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!”

ignatz cat will gladly eat anybody provided he or she is a rodent but he draws the line at excrements

190 dragonath  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:11:47pm

re: #186 NJDhockeyfan

Hey, tickets to the dumbass convention

191 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:12:55pm

Today I learned that the D in LSD stands for Dawkins.

(wait for it)

Youtube Video

192 engineer cat  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:13:21pm

re: #71 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s not like there’s a giant high-speed information system that they could consult, but be unable to discern quality information from dreck.

Or watch porn and get really weird ideas about what constitutes normal sex.

i volunteer to be on the standards committee

193 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:13:39pm
194 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:14:38pm
195 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:14:58pm

IRS Chief: Inappropriate Screening Included Search Terms ‘Progressive,’ ‘Occupy,’ ‘Israel’

The Internal Revenue Service’s screening of groups seeking tax-exempt status was broader and lasted longer than has been previously disclosed, the new head of the agency said Monday.

An internal IRS document obtained by The Associated Press said that besides “tea party,” lists used by screeners to pick groups for close examination also included the terms “Israel,” “Progressive” and “Occupy.” The document said an investigation into why specific terms were included was still underway.

In a conference call with reporters, Danny Werfel said that after becoming acting IRS chief last month, he discovered wide-ranging and improper terms on the lists and said screeners were still using them. He did not specify what terms were on the lists, but said he suspended the use of all such lists immediately.

“There was a wide-ranging set of categories and cases that spanned a broad spectrum” on the lists, Werfel said. He added that his aides found those lists contained “inappropriate criteria that was in use.”

LIES! Everyone knows only heterosexual white Christian conservatives were scrutinized directly by Obama!
/

196 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:15:20pm

re: #186 NJDhockeyfan

Hilariously, that image translates to “Welcome to Ecuador, a country where press freedom is above capital.”

197 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:16:59pm

re: #196 Lidane

“…but not above el Presidente.”

198 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:17:05pm

re: #192 engineer cat

i volunteer to be on the standards committee

Saw an adult movie “blooper” montage a while back. I was laughing my ass off.

199 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:20:37pm

re: #197 jaunte

“…but not above el Presidente.”

Seriously. They’re ranked like #120 in press freedom.

200 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:20:39pm

re: #195 Kragar

Wait, so this wasn’t a totally conservative-only OUTRAGE? I’m shocked I tells ya, shocked.

201 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:21:02pm

re: #198 Kragar

Saw an adult movie “blooper” montage a while back. I was laughing my ass off.

Where?

202 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:22:22pm

Glenn Greenwald Pushes Back Hard on Latest Edward Snowden “Revelations”

Some have already highlighted a Tweet Greenwald posted in early June in which he said he’d been working with Snowden since February, and it’s likely that those enraged by Greenwald’s and Snowden’s revelations will continue amplifying this angle.

But Greenwald told me that when Snowden had initially contacted him, Snowden hadn’t even shared his name or where he worked — he’d simply said he had explosive documents that Greenwald (whose reporting on leak investigations and civil liberties abuses was already widely known) would want to see. At that stage, Greenwald said, their conversations only concerned how to set up an encryption system that Snowden wanted in order to facilitate private communication of documents with him. The system was not set up until several months later, Greenwald said.

It was only in May — and not before — that Snowden told him who he was, who he worked for (at that point he identified himself as affiliated with the NSA) and what sort of documents he had to share, Greenwald says. It wasn’t until June — when Greenwald visited Snowden in Hong Kong — that Snowden told him he worked specifically for Booz Allen, Greenwald adds.

“We had early conversations about setting up encryption, so we worked early on to set that up,” Greenwald says. “We didn’t work on any documents. I didn’t even know Edward Snowden’s name or where he worked until after he was in Hong Kong with the documents. Anyone who is claiming that somehow I worked with him to get those documents or helped him is just lying.”

Asked if he saw any significance in Snowden’s latest comments, Greenwald argued that they fit in with the chronology of what is already known. Greenwald noted that Snowden had been working at the NSA since 2009 and that his public statements show he’d already concluded serious wrongdoing was going on, so he may well have gotten the job at Booz Allen in order to get documents he needed to make that case.

203 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:22:32pm

Porn kills the thread dead.

204 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:22:33pm

re: #198 Kragar

Saw an adult movie “blooper” montage a while back. I was laughing my ass off.

At least it wasn’t a drooper montage.

205 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:23:25pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Glenn Greenwald Pushes Back Hard on Latest Edward Snowden “Revelations”

Since when is tweeting considered “pushing back hard?”

206 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:24:25pm

re: #201 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Where?

I forget, one of the multitude of online porn sites.

Great moments like “WHO THE FUCK WAXED THE FLOOR? I’M WEARING 6 INCH HEELS DAMMIT!”

207 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:24:28pm

re: #195 Kragar

But the 2012 election was still “stolen”, and we should still totally impeach the POTUS, right?

//

208 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:25:25pm

Greenwald: I Didn’t Even Know Snowden’s Name Until He Was In Hong Kong

Glenn is going for the “I didn’t even know the guy!” defense.

209 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:26:28pm

re: #203 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Porn kills the thread dead.

Nah, everyone was just googling “porno bloopers”

I know you did.

Sinners.
///

210 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:26:36pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Yawn. What else you got, Glenn?

211 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:26:36pm

“Some dude with top secrets.”

212 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:26:51pm

re: #205 darthstar

Since when is tweeting considered “pushing back hard?”

The way he is going, Twitter might be his only available outlet.

213 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:26:51pm

re: #207 Bulworth

But the 2012 election was still “stolen”, and we should still totally impeach the POTUS, right?

//

It would be irresponsible not to.
/

214 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:27:04pm

re: #208 Kragar

“I still don’t even know this guy!”

215 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:27:10pm

Why would Snowden want to set up encrypted email with Greenwald if he had nothing to transmit at that point?

216 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:28:28pm
…it’s likely that those enraged by Greenwald’s and Snowden’s revelations will continue amplifying this angle.

I’m not “enraged” by any of this, by the way.

217 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:28:39pm

re: #214 Bulworth

“I still don’t even know this guy!”

Yeah, but Glenn doesn’t have a boomstick and hasn’t replaced a hand with a chainsaw, as far as I know.

218 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:30:27pm

What the hell is Salon doing, by the way, with these freaking weird attacks on atheists and Christopher Hitchens? Is everybody going nuts?

219 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:30:44pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

I’m not “enraged” by any of this, by the way.

I’m amused by it more than anything. Snowden’s lack of foresight is rivaled only by Greenwald’s.

220 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:30:53pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

so, Snowden was already in Hong Kong before GG published.
Snowden deliberately left the country ahead of time.

221 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:31:44pm
222 engineer cat  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:32:07pm

children belong to

maybe there is someplace where people automatically assume children ‘belong’ to somebody or something

223 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:32:16pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

What the hell is Salon doing, by the way, with these freaking weird attacks on atheists and Christopher Hitchens? Is everybody going nuts?

Is it compatiblists vs incompatiblists?

224 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:32:29pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

so, Snowden was already in Hong Kong before GG published.
Snowden deliberately left the country ahead of time.

But it totally wasn’t going to be a big deal.

225 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:32:57pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

What the hell is Salon doing, by the way, with these freaking weird attacks on atheists and Christopher Hitchens? Is everybody going nuts?

Yes. When I agree with anything Limbaugh says the world has gone freaking nutzo.

226 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:33:22pm

re: #222 engineer cat

children belong to

maybe there is someplace where people automatically assume children ‘belong’ to somebody or something

The rabid WND right wing?

227 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:34:53pm

re: #224 Kragar

But it totally wasn’t going to be a big deal.

yeah…who coulda known it would have blown up like this?
amateurs…

228 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:35:00pm

Children belong to all if us. They’re our future. What will the US be with uneducated kids? What is our future?

229 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:35:27pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

So, GG is trying to convince people it took him months to learn encryption and he didn’t know anything until May? They never met in person? He didn’t try to check this guy out?

Is he serious?

230 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:35:46pm

re: #228 Joanne

Children belong to all if us. They’re our future. What will the US be with uneducated kids? What is our future?

GOP Xtialiban…

231 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:35:58pm

Christopher Hitchens’ Lies Do Atheism No Favors

The whole thing is an extended complaint that Hitchens didn’t mention some things he wanted Hitchens to mention.

He doesn’t actually document a single “lie.”

232 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:36:44pm

re: #229 Justanotherhuman

Yeah. Greenwald iz a realz serius jornolizt.

233 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:37:01pm

Fox News host jokes about network’s strategy: ‘We’ll make something up’

Following Monday’s Supreme Court decision to send an affirmative action case back to the lower court, Hemmer noted that the court had not yet handed down rulings in several other major cases.

“It doesn’t look like the voting rights decision or the gay marriage decision comes down today apparently,” the Fox News host explained.

“Well, they have to give us something to talk about the rest of the week,” senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano pointed out.

“We’ll make something up,” Hemmer shrugged.

Why would today be any different from any other day?

234 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:37:21pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

What the hell is Salon doing, by the way, with these freaking weird attacks on atheists and Christopher Hitchens? Is everybody going nuts?

Salon The USS Liberty and Teh Juice

235 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:37:31pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

Christopher Hitchens’ Lies Do Atheism No Favors

The whole thing is an extended complaint that Hitchens didn’t mention some things he wanted Hitchens to mention.

He doesn’t actually document a single “lie.”

Lies of omission.
///

236 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:37:54pm
237 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:37:56pm
238 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:39:38pm

So now Greenwald’s excuse is “Yeah, we talked in February, but I had no idea who the guy was until I was publishing his BS in May.”

So Glenn is arguing he’s not guilty of conspiracy, but instead criminal stupidity.

239 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:41:22pm

re: #238 Targetpractice

So now Greenwald’s excuse is “Yeah, we talked in February, but I had no idea who the guy was until I was publishing his BS in May.”

So Glenn is arguing he’s not guilty of conspiracy, but instead criminal stupidity.

The real story: Who is dumber, Snowden or Greenwald?

Well, I guess Snowden. Greenwald isn’t an international fugitive right now.

240 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:41:31pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

And of course, Christopher isn’t able to debate White. How easy to attack, ad hominem, someone when they’re dead.

What a vicious piece of drivel.

241 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:42:12pm

I wonder if Greenwald realizes that the criminal investigation into Snowden will likely result in warrants for his own email and phone records. And trust that Snowden’s email archives are already being read, so tweeting that he wasn’t involved in the plot isn’t a good defense.

242 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:43:47pm

Sad news for horror film fans.

243 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:45:25pm

So, the trailer to Beck’s “Man in the Moon” project has been released.

Youtube Video

244 bratwurst  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:46:02pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

Christopher Hitchens’ Lies Do Atheism No Favors

The whole thing is an extended complaint that Hitchens didn’t mention some things he wanted Hitchens to mention.

He doesn’t actually document a single “lie.”

What ever happened to the whole “let the dead rest in peace” thing?!?!

245 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:46:21pm

re: #242 darthstar

Sad news for horror film fans.

Aw man, he was a great author as well as script-writer. I still count What Dreams May Come amongst my favorite novels.

246 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:47:33pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

Aw man, he was a great author as well as script-writer. I still count What Dreams May Come amongst my favorite novels.

The original “I am Legend” story will not be topped.

247 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:48:49pm

re: #180 The Ghost of a Flea

Of course, no sex ed also means no sense of safe sex, so they’ll not be able to identify what kind of STI they got. And noone’s going to teach them how to have comfortable, non-injurious anal sex either.

Generally speaking this whole “keep ‘em innocent” thing is always bad for women and girls, while excuses are made for guys getting their rocks off.

I had a friend in 8th grade whose mother told him that sex causes blisters and sores on your genitals. Not that there were diseases that caused it, but that it was a normal, natural consequence of sex. I have no idea if she was trying to enforce abstinence through fear, or if she was truly that ignorant and that’s what she actually believed.

248 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:49:30pm

re: #242 darthstar

Sad news for horror film fans.

Indeed, sad news. RIP.

249 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:50:21pm

re: #238 Targetpractice

So now Greenwald’s excuse is “Yeah, we talked in February, but I had no idea who the guy was until I was publishing his BS in May.”

So Glenn is arguing he’s not guilty of conspiracy, but instead criminal stupidity.

He started publishing in May (I thought it was June 6)? And didn’t know who Snowden was or that Snowden worked for Booz until he met him in HongKong in June?

WTF?

I need to make a timeline to keep track of all this crap.

idiots, all of them…

250 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:51:59pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

He started publishing in May (I thought it was June 6)? And didn’t know who Snowden was or that Snowden worked for Booz until he met him in HongKong in June?

WTF?

I need to make a timeline to keep track of all this crap.

idiots, all of them…

Way to check your sources, Glenn.

251 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:52:25pm

re: #247 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I had a friend in 8th grade whose mother told him that sex causes blisters and sores on your genitals. Not that there were diseases that caused it, but that it was a normal, natural consequence of sex. I have no idea if she was trying to enforce abstinence through fear, or if she was truly that ignorant and that’s what she actually believed.

maybe that’s what happened to her the first time…souvenirs of dad’s previous experiences…

252 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:52:53pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

Christopher Hitchens’ Lies Do Atheism No Favors

The whole thing is an extended complaint that Hitchens didn’t mention some things he wanted Hitchens to mention.

He doesn’t actually document a single “lie.”

(You may think that I lack decency for attacking a man so recently deceased, but I do no more than what Hitchens himself did. Speaking of Jerry Falwell, Hitchens pointedly refuses a “compassionate word” for this “departed fraud.”)

Hey dipshit, if Hitchens doing it absolves you, your doing it absolves Hitchens.

253 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:53:35pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

What the hell is Salon doing, by the way, with these freaking weird attacks on atheists and Christopher Hitchens? Is everybody going nuts?

More Salon “fun.”

254 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:54:00pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

He started publishing in May (I thought it was June 6)? And didn’t know who Snowden was or that Snowden worked for Booz until he met him in HongKong in June?

WTF?

I need to make a timeline to keep track of all this crap.

idiots, all of them…

At this point, I think Glenn’s begun realizing that the more he reveals, the deeper he’s digging himself. So now he’s trying to some engineer a degree of “plausible deniability.” Thing is, nobody believes him because he can’t keep his fucking mouth shut for more than two minutes.

255 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:54:01pm

re: #250 Kragar

Way to check your sources, Glenn.

obviously Glenn used the same background checkers as BAH did.

256 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:55:49pm

On the Zimmerman trial:

“How could Zimmerman stand his ground if his ground was being used as a weapon?”

257 dragonath  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:56:13pm

What kind of cheesy name is Salon anyway? They were long time publishers of Greenwald, too.

258 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:57:04pm

re: #253 Gus

More Salon “fun.”

With his clever, explosive and sometimes even wryly funny little book, “The Holocaust Industry,” Norman G. Finkelstein, the 47-year-old enfant terrible of Holocaust studies from Brooklyn, N.Y., hit a nerve. Such a big nerve, in fact, that it caused a blackout of virtually all intellectual circuits — at least in this country.

259 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:57:45pm

re: #256 Kragar

On the Zimmerman trial:

“How could Zimmerman stand his ground if his ground was being used as a weapon?”

If only Zimmerman had some paper to wrap that rock…

260 bratwurst  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:57:56pm
261 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:58:59pm

Stockman aide fails to live on foodstamps for one week

In a press release issued by Stockman’s office, Ferguson initially bragged that he “was able to buy enough food to eat well for a week on just $27.58, almost four dollars less than the $31.50 “SNAP Challenge” figure.” The list, which is posted on Stockman’s website, included prepared foods like red beans and rice, peanut butter, and even popsicles, but no vegetables. “That is my diet for the week and I’m not eating outside of it. Feeling great and I’ve gained two pounds,” Ferguson told ThinkProgress on Wednesday, adding,”Reality has a way of mocking liberalism.”

But days later, it seems that the challenges of living on just a little more than $31.50 a week caught up with Ferguson.

The Dallas Morning News reported on Monday that the communications aide had to buy additional food after embarking on an unexpected trip. Since he was unable to carry his canned purchases onto the plane, “Ferguson limited himself to $9 in meals while traveling” and ended up “going about 14 percent over budget.”

262 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:59:50pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

If only Zimmerman had some paper to wrap that rock…

Only if he uses the rock to smash scissors first.

263 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:01:50pm

Has anyone considered that possibility that maybe this whole thing was engineered by Assange from the get-go?

264 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:02:37pm

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

Has anyone considered that possibility that maybe this whole thing was engineered by Assange from the get-go?

You need to think bigger….

Soros bigger.
///

265 engineer cat  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:03:27pm

re: #261 Kragar

-buy enough food to eat well
-foods like red beans and rice, peanut butter, and even popsicles, but no vegetables
-gained two pounds

the man knows zilch about nutrition, and can’t figure out that if his carbohydrate-heavy diet made him gain two pounds in a week, that ain’t a good thing

why do wingnuts always think they’ve proven the opposite of what they’ve actually proven?

266 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:03:42pm

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

Has anyone considered that possibility that maybe this whole thing was engineered by Assange from the get-go?

I would have thought Assange would have picked more believable stooges, but then…I’m a writer and can come up with much better plotlines and characters than this clusterfeck.

267 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:04:12pm

re: #244 bratwurst

What ever happened to the whole “let the dead rest in peace” thing?!?!

I couldn’t get through the whole thing myself. I don’t have *that* much free time while I’m at work, but what I did read of it had me thinking, “Does this guy even realize that Hitchens isn’t around anymore? There’s a lot of present tense going on here.”

268 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:04:28pm

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

Has anyone considered that possibility that maybe this whole thing was engineered by Assange from the get-go?

To what end?

269 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:04:39pm

re: #265 engineer cat

the man knows zilch about nutrition, and can’t figure out that if his carbohydrate-heavy diet made him gain two pounds in a week, that ain’t a good thing

why do wingnuts always think they’ve proven the opposite of what they’ve actually proven?

and canned, processed food…the sodium alone will cause water weight gain.

270 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:07:46pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

Christopher Hitchens’ Lies Do Atheism No Favors

The whole thing is an extended complaint that Hitchens didn’t mention some things he wanted Hitchens to mention.

He doesn’t actually document a single “lie.”

After reading the bit at Salon, it’s pretty obvious the man has a problem with critical thinking and has a pretty strange definition of ‘atheist’. I’m not sure he understands the concept.

Like Hitchens, I am an atheist, if to be an atheist means not believing in a CEO God who sits outside his creation, proclaiming edicts, punishing hapless sinners, seeking vengeance on his enemies, and picking sides in times of war.

It sounds much like a creationist anti-science screed.


Here’s a bit of a response to the book.
boingboing.net

271 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:10:14pm

re: #235 Kragar

Lies of omission.
///

He feels Hitchens wasn’t intellectually honest, thus he lies. I hate to say it, but this author does not sound terribly interested in understanding Hitchens and the new-atheists.

272 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:19:56pm

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

WAIT!! YOU MEAN THE STORY OF O ISN’T HOW IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE?!!

//

Don’t get me started on that piece of crap.

273 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:22:44pm

Answered wrong comment.

274 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:24:31pm

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

Has anyone considered that possibility that maybe this whole thing was engineered by Assange from the get-go?

No indications. Might buy into the electronic age version of cocktail-party brainstorming.

275 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:26:49pm

re: #105 Dr Lizardo

When I was much, much younger, I dated a Mormon girl.

My oh my…..she was such a horndog.

Like Saudi princesses.

Don’t ask how I know that.

276 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:37:20pm

re: #141 Dr Lizardo

Image: lavrentiy-beria_3-t.jpg

What is it about these murderous secret service leaders that makes them look like such milksops? I can’t help but wonder if they believe a high body count makes them significant.

Inferiority complexes are a horrible thing.

277 Weet  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:05:31pm

re: #69 Kragar

Texas isn’t a fit place for humans to be brought up in.

3 million voting Democrats here. The only question is when we take the state blue, but it’s demographically favorable by 2024.

278 BroncD  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:02:29pm

YOU’RE QUOTING ALAN KEYES.
YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID.

AKIMS


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