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1 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:51:08am

A good place to make the speech, too. I wonder what the response will be. Will the GOP unite in anti-science mockery? Probably.

2 Lawrence Schmerel  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:53:36am

Great news. We need more addresses on this subject and more action.

3 Shockingly, Pathetically Low  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:57:42am

But climate science deniers are having a worse and worse time of it. I recently left my little East Bay bubble for a foray into the general public, and there didn’t seem to be any outright deniers left. There were “skeptics,” who weren’t prepared to say yes or no, but the ice of denial is cracking like the summer melt of the polar… never mind.

4 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:58:21am

I wonder if the climate deniers on the coast will still be denying it in the future when they are standing waist deep in water in their front yards.

5 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:01:01am

re: #4 Tigger2

I wonder if the climate deniers on the coast will still be denying it in the future when they are standing waist deep in water in their front yards.

I’ll ask my one friend on Saturday. He was waist-deep during Sandy when the tidal surge in Outer New York harbor ripped through the beach dunes and flooded the first floor of the house he was renting.

6 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:01:15am

Its pretty simple;

If we spend the money on climate change, but its not a big deal, all we’ve done is improve the environment, strengthened our infrastructure, invested in energy independence, and created countless new jobs as we implement those new solutions.

If we don’t address climate change, and its as bad as it could be, the world as we know it is destroyed.

So, what is the debate again?

7 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:01:37am

In a related topic:

8 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:02:18am

re: #6 Kragar

Its pretty simple;

If we spend the money on climate change, but its not a big deal, all we’ve done is improve the environment, strengthened our infrastructure, invested in energy independence, and created countless new jobs as we implement those new solutions.

If we don’t address climate change, and its as bad as it could be, the world as we know it is destroyed.

So, what is the debate again?

The debate is how we’re going to shovel all the money into Exxon-Mobil’s and BP’s coffers without being too obvious about it, why?
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9 Ian G.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:02:50am

re: #3 LWNJ

But climate science deniers are having a worse and worse time of it. I recently left my little East Bay bubble for a foray into the general public, and there didn’t seem to be any outright deniers left. There were “skeptics,” who weren’t prepared to say yes or no, but the ice of denial is cracking like the summer melt of the polar… never mind.

No, it’s still around. Like any good conspiracy theory (9/11 Truth, Anti-Vaccination, Creationism), it’s immune to facts and reason.

10 Ian G.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:03:58am

re: #6 Kragar

So, what is the debate again?

I dunno. Most climate change deniers use the logic that the odds are against the bullet being in the chamber in that game of Russian Roulette, so you should just pull the trigger, and those who say don’t pull the trigger are “alarmist”.

11 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:04:02am

Plenty of dipshits around who think “God gave us the Earth, he’ll keep us safe.”

12 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:05:06am

Something like 98% of climate researchers agree with the published data, but the people that are screeching the loudest and is driving the “debate” possess high school degrees (Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, etc).

13 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:05:14am

Personally, if climate change means the South ends up under water, I think we all win.
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14 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:05:56am

Also related:

Wide swaths of Southern Florida would likely disappear with climate change pushing sea levels higher - and combined with the porous limestone that makes up most of the state, it would mean that the remaining areas would become full of brackish waters unsuitable for domestic or farming use without expensive desalinization. Severe storms and hurricanes would make even more areas of the state subject to flooding and storm surge - moving right into central Florida, which currently stands out of harms’ way of those surge effects.

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:06:22am

re: #6 Kragar

Its pretty simple;

If we spend the money on climate change, but its not a big deal, all we’ve done is improve the environment, strengthened our infrastructure, invested in energy independence, and created countless new jobs as we implement those new solutions.

If we don’t address climate change, and its as bad as it could be, the world as we know it is destroyed.

So, what is the debate again?

SOCILISM!!!

16 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:07:01am

re: #5 Feline Fearless Leader

I’ll ask my one friend on Saturday. He was waist-deep during Sandy when the tidal surge in Outer New York harbor ripped through the beach dunes and flooded the first floor of the house he was renting.

I wasn’t talking about just storms I was talking about widespread ocean level rises in general.

17 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:08:32am

re: #14 lawhawk

Also related:

Wide swaths of Southern Florida would likely disappear with climate change pushing sea levels higher - and combined with the porous limestone that makes up most of the state, it would mean that the remaining areas would become full of brackish waters unsuitable for domestic or farming use without expensive desalinization. Severe storms and hurricanes would make even more areas of the state subject to flooding and storm surge - moving right into central Florida, which currently stands out of harms’ way of those surge effects.

Coastal Texas and Louisiana are not that far above current sea level as well. The bayous get more brackish once more salt water gets in, and more powerful storms start destroying and eroding the barrier islands at a greater rate.

Hmm. At what state line do we start putting up the border fences and checkpoints?
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18 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:09:09am

re: #14 lawhawk

Also related:

Wide swaths of Southern Florida would likely disappear with climate change pushing sea levels higher - and combined with the porous limestone that makes up most of the state, it would mean that the remaining areas would become full of brackish waters unsuitable for domestic or farming use without expensive desalinization. Severe storms and hurricanes would make even more areas of the state subject to flooding and storm surge - moving right into central Florida, which currently stands out of harms’ way of those surge effects.


‘Miami, as We Know It Today, Is Doomed.’

19 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:09:48am

re: #16 Tigger2

I wasn’t talking about just storms I was talking about widespread ocean level rises in general.

I think a big chunk of Bangladesh and some small Pacific Ocean island nations go under first.

20 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:11:56am

re: #19 Feline Fearless Leader

I think a big chunk of Bangladesh and some small Pacific Ocean island nations go under first.

I don’t think that will be comforting to people along the coast.

21 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:12:31am
22 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:12:46am

re: #18 Kragar


‘Miami, as We Know It Today, Is Doomed.’

Time to start constructing the floating city. With sufficient planning it can then rampage up the East Coast when the other cities are at their weakest.

23 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:12:54am

Right on cue, Dim Jim:


Let’s ignore heat waves that kill thousands. Climate change and global warming is likely to result in more heat waves, and higher sustained temperatures over longer periods, meaning that those at greatest risk of heat-related injuries will be subjected to those conditions for longer and longer periods.

Air conditioning can stave off some of the effects, but that means even more energy usage (and a strained power grid needs more infrastructure spending to make it more robust to deal with demand, plus severe weather and natural disasters). But if you don’t have AC, and you’re in those vulnerable populations - the young and elderly, heat waves will prove deadly.

Just as they have over and over again in recent history (the 2003 European heat wave and 2010 Russian heat waves). And here for a longer list of deadly heat waves.

This becomes the new norm as high temps and heat waves persist (and let’s not forget crop losses and higher costs for food products or higher energy costs for electricity).

25 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:14:09am

re: #23 lawhawk

Right on cue, Dim Jim:


Let’s ignore heat waves that kill thousands. Climate change and global warming is likely to result in more heat waves, and higher sustained temperatures over longer periods, meaning that those at greatest risk of heat-related injuries will be subjected to those conditions for longer and longer periods.

Air conditioning can stave off some of the effects, but that means even more energy usage (and a strained power grid needs more infrastructure spending to make it more robust to deal with demand, plus severe weather and natural disasters). But if you don’t have AC, and you’re in those vulnerable populations - the young and elderly, heat waves will prove deadly.

Just as they have over and over again in recent history (the 2003 European heat wave and 2010 Russian heat waves). And here for a longer list of deadly heat waves.

This becomes the new norm as high temps and heat waves persist (and let’s not forget crop losses and higher costs for food products or higher energy costs for electricity).

Not to mention various nasty warm weather critters getting extended northern ranges. Malaria mosquitoes anyone?

26 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:14:51am

re: #21 jaunte

This is huge. RT @350: WOW. The President announces that he won’t approve Keystone XL if it increases greenhouse gas emissions!!! #noKXL

— Greg Greene (@ggreeneva) June 25, 2013

I hear tiny RWNJ heads sploding everywhere.

27 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:15:20am

re: #22 Feline Fearless Leader

Time to start constructing the floating city. With sufficient planning it can then rampage up the East Coast when the other cities are at their weakest.

And it can always retreat further into the Black Atlantic to get away from the Judges.

28 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:15:32am

Along the same line, Cessna will phase out production of the avgas (leaded gasoline) powered 182 next year. New 182s will use the SMA SR305-230 diesel engine, which is certified for Jet-A fuel. The latter engine was developed in France and is now licensed to Continental as the TD-300.

29 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:15:54am

re: #25 Feline Fearless Leader

Not to mention various nasty warm weather critters getting extended northern ranges.

I thought you were talking about conservative voters.

30 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:16:25am

re: #26 Dr. Matt

I hear tiny RWNJ heads sploding everywhere.

That’s a good thing less crazy voters.///

31 Shockingly, Pathetically Low  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:18:16am

re: #9 Ian G.

No, it’s still around. Like any good conspiracy theory (9/11 Truth, Anti-Vaccination, Creationism), it’s immune to facts and reason.

I certainly didn’t mean to suggest that it’s all gone. The public deniers are still spouting. But among the general public, they seem to have lost their status as authorities.

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:18:33am

re: #18 Kragar


‘Miami, as We Know It Today, Is Doomed.’

Why do I have trouble finding that bad news?

33 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:20:02am

re: #25 Feline Fearless Leader

We’re already seeing Asian tiger mosquitoes in the NYC metro area (which aren’t behaving the way the typical brown mosquitoes do here, and are active throughout the day). Add to that the spreading range of malaria and other formerly tropical and subtropical diseases spread by mosquitoes, and it would make West Nile virus look like a day at the beach.

Oh, and it would also affect health costs and reduce worker productivity as well (lost time at work due to ailments).

34 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:20:40am

re: #32 Sol Berdinowitz

Why do I have trouble finding that bad news?

Too bad Lubbock’s 3300 feet above sea level. Oh, well, we still have drought, water depletion, and tornados to get the job done.

35 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:20:51am

An interesting take on the VRA decision:

White People’s Party

I hinted at this in my post from earlier today: the VRA decision is the perfect complement to the GOP’s increasingly clear strategy of ignoring the 2012 election and doubling down on maximizing the white vote. But Josh Green really captures it when he calls the decision a ‘poison chalice’ for the GOP, encouraging and giving more tools to the GOP in its quest to max out white voting and make the Democratic party the home of the overwhelming number of non-white voters and the white voters who feel at home in a truly multiracial party.

The Supreme Court’s Voting Rights Decision Is a Poison Chalice for the GOP

On its face, this looks like a big victory for Republicans. Is it really? I suspect it will turn out to be a poisoned chalice. Many of the GOP’s current problems stem from the fact that it is overly beholden to its white, Southern base at a time when the country is rapidly becoming more racially diverse. In order to expand its base of power beyond the House of Representatives, the GOP needs to expand its appeal to minority voters. As the ongoing battle over immigration reform demonstrates, that process is going poorly and looks like it will be very difficult.

The Supreme Court’s decision to strike down a central provision of the Voting Rights Act will make it easier for Republicans to hold and expand their power in those mainly Southern states. That will, in turn, make it easier for them to hold the House. It will also intensify the Southern captivity of the GOP, thereby making it harder for Republicans to broaden their appeal and win back the White House.

36 Shockingly, Pathetically Low  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:23:00am

re: #35 Kragar

An interesting take on the VRA decision:

White People’s Party

The Supreme Court’s Voting Rights Decision Is a Poison Chalice for the GOP

Between this and our disappearing southern coastline, maybe it’s time to let the southern states secede. (Think of the money we’d save….) With a grace period for people who don’t want to be New Confederates to relocate, of course.

37 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:25:40am

So I see the Voting Rights Act was effectively killed.

38 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:25:56am

re: #36 LWNJ

Between this and our disappearing southern coastline, maybe it’s time to let the southern states secede. (Think of the money we’d save….) With a grace period for people who don’t want to be New Confederates to relocate, of course.

By God then I’m now in favor of a thousand foot high fence along the border between the northern country and southern country.///

39 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:26:20am

Derp.

40 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:26:41am

Climate change talk always makes the wingnuts howl at the moon. They’ll be spastic for the rest of the day.

41 Ian G.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:26:45am

re: #36 LWNJ

Between this and our disappearing southern coastline, maybe it’s time to let the southern states secede. (Think of the money we’d save….) With a grace period for people who don’t want to be New Confederates to relocate, of course.

Eh, Virginia is already as blue as Ohio, and there are a lot of wonderful things down south that I want to remain part of the country: the music of Muscle Shoals or Nashville or Memphis or Athens, GA, the mountains of VA, NC, and TN. The deserts of West Texas.

How about we just let South Carolina go (it’s always been first to try) and let all the wingnuts move there? ///

42 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:26:54am

re: #34 Occam’s Guillotine

Too bad Lubbock’s 3300 feet above sea level. Oh, well, we still have drought, water depletion, and tornados to get the job done.

You need to find a good mad scientist and add mutant jack rabbits to the mix.

43 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:27:08am

re: #39 jaunte

Obama showing up early is pretty rare, too.

44 Ian G.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:29:17am

re: #40 Gus

Climate change talk always makes the wingnuts howl at the moon. They’ll be spastic for the rest of the day.

Not sure I understand why. How many wingnuts actually work in the coal or oil industries, and thus would actually be hurt by an energy infrastructure that puts those industries out of business? They’d all benefit from solar panels on the roof, and less devastating weather too (I mean, the South gets more of the hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, and floods than the liberal parts of the country).

If it’s just because they can’t live without kicking hippies, they need to go into therapy. Seriously.

45 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:30:09am
46 chadu  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:30:26am

re: #44 Ian G.

Not sure I understand why. How many wingnuts actually work in the coal or oil industries, and thus would actually be hurt by an energy infrastructure that puts those industries out of business? They’d all benefit from solar panels on the roof, and less devastating weather too (I mean, the South gets more of the hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, and floods than the liberal parts of the country).

Lots.

47 dragonath  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:30:28am

Oddly enough it seems the Supreme Court’s conservatives are using a twisted version of moral relativism. Racists have the right to be racist too!

That crappy workplace discrimination ruling isn’t going away anytime soon.

48 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:31:07am

“Speak up for the facts.”

49 Ian G.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:31:19am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Excellent. I’m tired of climate change deniers being allowed to spew their nonsense in polite company. They should be shunned as the conspiracy cranks that they are.

Bravo, Mr. President.

50 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:33:35am

re: #47 dragonath

With the loss of Section 4, how dead is the Voting Rights Act?

Can we accuse the Republicans out in the open of being a more polite KKK yet?

51 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:35:09am
52 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:35:10am

re: #6 Kragar

So, what is the debate again?

is reality a communist plot or is it merely opposed to the imaginary version of the bible that lives in my head

Reality - Threat Or Menace?

53 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:36:06am

Why the VRA decision is bad news for the GOP

54 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:37:05am

Houston’s purchase makes it the largest municipal buyer of renewables in the US.

It’s buying enough wind energy to supply half its electricity for the next two years. The 140 megawatts (MW) from utility Reliant (owned by NRG) costs just $2 million.

55 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:37:23am
56 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:37:39am
57 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:38:40am

re: #50 ProTARDISLiberal

With the loss of Section 4, how dead is the Voting Rights Act?

attempts to restrict minority voting in states not covered by this part of the voting rights act, such as michigan, have resulted in the invocation of the law of unintended consequences and significantly increased minority turnout

58 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:38:47am

Par for the course.

59 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:40:28am

re: #58 jaunte

Par for the course.

Well Deniers gota Denie.

60 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:40:43am

New in pages, a bizarre and very sad story from Lubbock:
Boy Fatally Impaled on Statue Outside Texas Tech’s National Ranching Heritage Museum

These are life size bronze statues of the Texas longhorn. They are indeed very long, very sharp, and about chest high.

61 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:42:09am

re: #60 Occam’s Guillotine

These are life size bronze statues of the Texas longhorn. They are indeed very long, very sharp, and about chest high.

What could possibly go wrong?
/

62 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:42:09am

re: #13 Kragar

Personally, if climate change means the South ends up under water, I think we all win.
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A few million years ago my place was beachfront. I’ll go get the chaise and sunscreen.

63 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:43:26am

re: #58 jaunte

Fair&Balanced

//

64 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:44:10am

re: #56 Gus

But why doesn’t PBO Lead??!?1!??

//

65 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:44:20am

re: #62 Decatur Deb

A few million years ago my place was beachfront. I’ll go get the chaise and sunscreen.

Just think of the boost in your property value.

66 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:44:51am
67 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:45:00am

whatever the climate change debate, the earth will have the last word

68 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:45:24am

re: #56 Gus

“Tonight on CNN/MSNBC - Why doesn’t the president use the ‘bully pulpit’ and lead?”

/

69 Ian G.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:45:58am

re: #54 jaunte

Bravo, Houston, especially considering how much your economy is based on the carbon energy industry.

70 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:47:37am

re: #66 Charles Johnson

I’m on to you!

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:47:45am

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Oddly enough, the former president of the Flat Earth Society was named … Charles Johnson. IT WASN’T ME.

Is there a photo of him standing next to Pamela Geller?

/

72 Ian G.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:47:50am

re: #67 engineer cat

Yeah, but I can just picture a latter-day Rick Perry, standing in 6 feet of water where Galveston used to be, babbling about how there never was a city called Galveston, and how that’s a liberal lie, and the idea that there was once booming agriculture in the desert that is the great plains is also a liberal lie.

73 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:48:10am
74 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:49:06am

re: #72 Ian G.

Yeah, but I can just picture a latter-day Rick Perry, standing in 6 feet of water where Galveston used to be, babbling about how there never was a city called Galveston, and how that’s a liberal lie, and the idea that there was once booming agriculture in the desert that is the great plains is also a liberal lie.

“This is not happening!”

Youtube Video

75 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:49:59am

re: #35 Kragar

An interesting take on the VRA decision:

White People’s Party

The Supreme Court’s Voting Rights Decision Is a Poison Chalice for the GOP

Those confirm my long-standing suspicion that the GOP, especially as it is now as the TP/GOP, will morph into a White Nationalist party over the next decade or so until it finally implodes and a new center-right party emerges from the wreckage.

76 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:51:20am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Obama: “We don’t have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society.”

Any statement from a forlorned Thomas Friedman yet?

77 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:52:12am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

Only problem with that is how much damage they’ll do in the meantime. Sometimes they remind me of an abusive spouse that says “if I can’t have him/her no one can” as they proceed to destroy the other person.

78 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:54:02am

How much is this speech at Georgetown costing American taxpayers??!11??!

79 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:54:25am

re: #77 A Mom Anon

Only problem with that is how much damage they’ll do in the meantime. Sometimes they remind me of an abusive spouse that says “if I can’t have him/her no one can” as they proceed to destroy the other person.

That’s a very good point, and I harbor no illusions as to how much damage they can do. It’s entirely conceivable that they would start a Second American Civil War, on the grounds you cited, “If I can’t have X, no one will.”

80 Proud Harpy  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:56:35am

Texas Filibuster Live

81 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:59:25am

Civil Rights Icon John Lewis Tears Into Supreme Court For Gutting Voting Rights

“These men that voted to strip the Voting Rights Act of its power, they never stood in unmovable lines,” Lewis told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell. “They never had to pass a so-called literacy test. It took us almost 100 years to get where we are today. So will it take another 100 years to fix it, to change it?”

82 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:00:22pm

re: #81 Kragar

Civil Rights Icon John Lewis Tears Into Supreme Court For Gutting Voting Rights

With the modern GOP, 100 years seems to be a fair guess.

83 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:01:01pm


Good to know. So if Congress passes a Federal Abortion ban, the States can ignore that as well, right?

84 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:01:27pm

Meanwhile, Ben Shapiro just compared the Voting Rights Act to cancer.

85 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:04:24pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Ben Shapiro just compared the Voting Rights Act to cancer.

Ben, all those governments who fell under Section 4 had to do was prove that they could go 10 years without trying to fuck over minorities and then petition to have themselves taken off the list. You don’t stop chemo because the cancer is no longer in some parts of the body and you figure the body can fight the rest off.

86 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:04:34pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Ben Shapiro just compared the Voting Rights Act to cancer.

Wouldn’t the racism that required the VRA be the cancer?

In that case, you don’t stop going to the doctor after chemo either.

87 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:05:16pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Even if you accept his metaphor, the cancer hasn’t gone into remission.

88 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:06:27pm
89 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:06:43pm

re: #87 jaunte

Even if you accept his metaphor, the cancer hasn’t gone into remission.

what the fuck to a moron’s twitter metaphors have to do with anything?

90 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:06:59pm

re: #86 Kragar

Wouldn’t the racism that required the VRA be the cancer?

In that case, you don’t stop going to the doctor after chemo either.

“Congrats, you’re in remission.”
“Well then I guess I don’t need to come back here anymore.”
“But you’re only in remission.”
“Yeah, that mean’s the cancer’s gone.”
“That still means it can come back later.”
“Look, I choose to believe I’m cured. Bye.”

91 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:07:08pm

Bullseye!

92 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:07:26pm

re: #87 jaunte

Even if you accept his metaphor, the cancer hasn’t gone into remission.

Actually, people continue taking chemo for some time after cancer goes into remission.

93 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:07:29pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Well, if he’s going with the cancer riff, try this on to size. Ongoing discriminatory voting rights efforts by the GOP is akin metastatic cancer, and the treatment (including preclearance) needs to continue until we do reach a point in time where the disease (including efforts to suppress turnout in minority communities, gerrymandering districts to minimize minority participation and inclusion in Congress, etc.) is eliminated.

Preclearance is a viable and useful tool, that not only treats the disease, but allowed doctors (the courts) to determine that a jurisdiction is free of cancer - by and through the bailout procedure (remission).

So yeah, Shapiro’s got it bass-ackward.

94 Ian G.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:07:51pm

re: #83 Kragar

We already had that war, Bryan. Your side lost.

95 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:07:54pm

re: #89 Sol Berdinowitz

what the fuck to a moron’s twitter metaphors have to do with anything?

This is the story conservatives tell themselves about the VRA.

96 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:08:49pm

“We don’t need the VRA anymore, ‘cause we’re all cured of that racial discrimination stuff.”

97 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:08:53pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Ben Shapiro just compared the Voting Rights Act to cancer.

Nah, he compared racism to cancer, and the VRA to chemo. Given that the US still has shitloads of racism, I’m sure he’ll agree that lots more chemo is needed.

Not.

98 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:08:58pm

Texas Advances Voter ID Law After Supreme Court Strikes Down Voting Rights Act

Texas is wasting no time capitalizing on the Supreme Court’s ruling on the Voting Rights Act.

Shortly after the high court issued a sweeping 5-4 decision Tuesday striking down a centerpiece of the historic 1965 law, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott vowed to immediately implement a controversial voter ID law in the Lone Star State that was blocked last year by the now-gutted preclearance provision of the Voting Rights Act.

“With today’s decision, the State’s voter ID law will take effect immediately,” Abbott said, according to the Dallas Morning News. “Redistricting maps passed by the Legislature may also take effect without approval from the federal government.”

Remember folks, Texas is the last great bastion for freedom and liberty in the US.

/spit

99 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:09:31pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

Bullseye!

Blocked in 3…2…1…

100 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:09:34pm

re: #95 jaunte

This is the story conservatives tell themselves about the VRA.

According to the wingnuts, racism is either dead or dying so fast that laws like the VRA are no longer needed. Some even will engage in insane troll logic to argue that laws like the VRA keep racism alive by giving minorities “special treatment.”

101 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:09:39pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

I actually knew Charles K. “Flat Earth” Johnson. I first met him during my term as mayor of a small town near where he lived in the Mojave desert. He was looking for office holders who would endorse his ideas. He had apparently started with the mayor of Los Angeles and eventually worked his way down to me. He was a very pleasant gentleman, though crazy as a March hare. Mr. Johnson died on March 19, 2001. He was 76.

102 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:09:44pm
103 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:09:54pm

re: #93 lawhawk

Today’s decision must have a long term response. In this case, I think something I posted 2 days ago is prescient:

Not to mention, the arithmetic on the vote margins in the region is really good. It would take but a fraction of the current undocumented migrants be legalized and spreading to this area to cause a number of these states to flip. Georgia is one, but there are a few others.

Those being South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Missouri. All had Obama over 40% in 2012. Hell, use the same strategy, and you could conceivably get a few Great Plains states as well.

104 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:10:55pm

re: #98 Kragar

Texas is setting itself up for a mainland repeat of the Hawaii Democratic Revolution.

105 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:11:23pm

She’s coming up on three hours.

106 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:12:06pm

re: #101 Occam’s Guillotine

I actually knew Charles K. “Flat Earth” Johnson. I first met him during my term as mayor of a small town near where he lived in the Mojave desert. He was looking for office holders who would endorse his ideas. He had apparently started with the mayor of Los Angeles and eventually worked his way down to me. He was a very pleasant gentleman, though crazy as a March hare. Mr. Johnson died on March 19, 2001. He was 76.

Small world!

Bad link.

107 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:13:21pm

So, the only cable news channel to cover the whole climate change speech was…

The Weather Channel

All of the three major news networks spent mere minutes on the speech — which ran in total 49 minutes.

MSNBC: 41 seconds

FOX News: 4 minutes and 37 seconds

CNN: 8 minutes and 5 seconds

The Weather Channel: 49 minutes

108 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:14:11pm
109 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:15:03pm

re: #107 Kragar

So, the only cable news channel to cover the whole climate change speech was…

The Weather Channel

The rest are beholden to those obnoxious “fossil fuels for everyone!” ads from the american petroleum institute. They show on every single evening newscast, no exceptions.

110 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:15:31pm

re: #108 Gus

Wikileaks should just make the trollface their corporate logo.

111 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:16:43pm
112 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:17:21pm

re: #103 ProTARDISLiberal

Hell, why not start a movement to “colonize” the South?

The only way this country is going to turn around is if we can push the number of Republicans in the Senate below 25. Find 12 states we can afford to leave behind, and encourage new immigrants, legalized un-documented workers, and blue staters to move these states to swing the demographics.

113 Ian G.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:18:19pm

re: #108 Gus

Pussy Riot was unavailable for comment.

114 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:19:11pm

This decision really pissed me off.

115 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:19:19pm

re: #108 Gus

We appreciate President Putin’s supportive comments on #Assange and #Snowden.
11:57 AM - 25 Jun 2013

How sweet, maybe Putin can have Assange over for some tea.

116 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:19:52pm
117 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:19:52pm

re: #93 lawhawk

And I’m writing that extremely strained analogy with direct personal knowledge and familiarity with dealing with a *long* history cancer in my family and among several friends - who have gone through cancer or are currently dealing with the diseases and the ravages of chemo or other cancer treatments.

To be absolutely clear Preclearance or the VRA isn’t cancer or chemo. Not even the same frickin’ universe.

118 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:19:59pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

Small world!

Bad link.

Works for me, but try this one.

119 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:20:25pm
120 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:20:37pm

re: #113 Ian G.

Pussy Riot was unavailable for comment.

Alexander Litvinenko has not returned Wikileaks calls.

121 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:21:19pm

re: #111 Gus

122 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:22:09pm

re: #107 Kragar

Typical “liberal” MSNBC.

Those 4 Fox minutes I’m sure we’re given to the Denialist.

123 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:22:21pm

re: #119 Gus

That is like arguing that Justin Bieber is a better musician than Mozart because he’s got more likes on facebook.

124 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:22:25pm
125 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:23:29pm

re: #120 Kragar

Alexander Litvinenko has not returned Wikileaks calls.

126 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:23:34pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

They’re just waiting for his 2014 gentlemen’s calendar - Putin on the Ritz

127 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:24:09pm

Actually got a bit somewhere with a Snowden supporter, as he’s at least admitted nothing Snowden has revealed has been either proof of abuse or even particularly new, but still insists on betting all his chips on “Potential for abuse.”

Yeah, you know what, any moonbat who tells me that he supports Snowden because he’s afraid of government abusing its powers needs to just go ahead, turn in his “progressive” card, and join the rest of the wingnuts at the kiddy table.

128 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:24:43pm

Why isn’t the librul media reporting on this?!!

Whistleblower says Obama received financial aid as foreign student

While Attorney Orly Taitz was participating in a rally in front of the U.S. Capitol on June 19, a whistleblower from Higher Education Services Corporation (HESC) in Albany, N.Y. approached her to say she personally reviewed the microfilm of President Barack Obama’s financial aid and it reveals he received financial aid as a foreign student and a citizen of Indonesia.

examiner.com

129 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:24:53pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Coupled with its recent anti-gay legislation, the far-right has a new found friend in radical Islam Russia.

130 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:26:25pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

When the right-wing gives up red-baiting, you know we’re through the looking glass. We are in completely unknown territory here.

131 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:26:40pm

re: #96 jaunte

“We don’t need the VRA anymore, ‘cause we’re all cured of that racial discrimination stuff.”

meanwhile, you’ll need to show proof of property ownership, proof of a job and a birth cert, last years’ tax form and three bills showing you as a resident at your current address before I can give you a ballot

132 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:26:43pm

re: #128 Dr. Matt

Where’s the vetting??!?!?11?

133 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:28:19pm

re: #131 piratedan

meanwhile, you’ll need to show proof of property ownership, proof of a job and a birth cert, last years’ tax form and three bills showing you as a resident at your current address before I can give you a ballot

And we reserve the right to toss your ballot in the woodchipper if we suspect at any time that you went into that booth with the intention to vote for a non-Republican.

134 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:28:35pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Arguing that VRA created voting parity is a not a justification for its extension. You don’t take chemo after cancer goes into remission.
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) June 25, 2013.

The doofus needs to read up on maintenance therapy. Asshole

135 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:29:27pm

re: #108 Gus

yeah, I’m sure that if they open a wilileaks branch office in Moscow, they’ll be welcomed accordingly.

136 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:29:36pm
meanwhile, you’ll need to show proof of property ownership, proof of a job and a birth cert, last years’ tax form and three bills showing you as a resident at your current address before I can give you a ballot

How is any of that discriminatory????!?!?11??

137 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:31:25pm

re: #135 piratedan

How many leaks has wikileaks posted from Russia?

138 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:31:40pm

Brain-dead Caribou Barbie, a prime example of the RWNJ mindset, tweeted this, which unfortunately is the attitude of too many who exhort the benefits of carbon.

“Up next more out-of-touch POTUS policy to weaken USA. Speech tomorrow requires seeking truth in upcoming anti-Made in America energy mandate”

Cheeez, too bad all that Arctic ice melting hasn’t swept her away by now.

139 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:32:05pm

Think I’ll engage in a bit of optimism today and wonder aloud if SCOTUS’ decision today might lead to a national push to establish voting as a right under the Constitution via amendment.

140 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:32:13pm
142 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:32:34pm
143 Joanne  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:32:35pm

re: #38 Tigger2

By God then I’m now in favor of a thousand foot high fence along the border between the northern country and southern country.///

Escape TO New York.

144 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:33:03pm

re: #112 ProTARDISLiberal

Hell, why not start a movement to “colonize” the South?

The only way this country is going to turn around is if we can push the number of Republicans in the Senate below 25. Find 12 states we can afford to leave behind, and encourage new immigrants, legalized un-documented workers, and blue staters to move these states to swing the demographics.

Why not have everyone join the Republican Party and take it over from within?

145 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:33:14pm
146 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:33:18pm

re: #55 Gus

My (admittedly cynical) belief is that “climate change” is not a politically motivating enough of an issue to be used in a positive sense. While it might make for some negative campaigning (GOREBULL WARMING IS A HOAX!!) even there I suspect it is not the issue that turns the choice of many voters.

147 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:33:23pm

re: #131 piratedan

“Voting should be restricted to the 53% of real Americans who pay taxes except the government shouldn’t know how much secret income money real Americans make, so down with the IRS!”

148 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:33:47pm

re: #142 lawhawk

The population of Miami is 400,000+. Ask how climate change is going to affect them.

149 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:33:52pm

re: #118 Occam’s Guillotine

Works for me, but try this one.

Works! Thanks.

150 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:34:14pm

re: #145 NJDhockeyfan

How can one be a “whistleblower” when there was no crime (in the case of the NSA) committed by the target of the “whistleblower”?

151 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:34:52pm

re: #150 freetoken

How can one be a “whistleblower” when there was no crime (in the case of the NSA) committed by the target of the “whistleblower”?

Because shut up.

152 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:35:09pm

Off to take care of some work stuff.

153 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:35:10pm

re: #147 Bulworth

“Voting should be restricted to the 53% of real Americans who pay taxes except the government shouldn’t know how much secret income money real Americans make, so down with the IRS!”

Voting should be restricted to the 53% of us who look like they earn enough money to pay taxes.

154 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:35:10pm

re: #142 lawhawk

then maybe he needs to get off his ass and put together some sort of jobs plan, like he’s been promising for the last four fucking years….

155 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:35:48pm

re: #140 Dr. Matt

So if we gut the VRA, how would we know if the cancer (discrimination) is no longer in remission and requires further treatment?

156 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:36:08pm

re: #147 Bulworth

I really want to just push the Republicans into a powerless position demographically. At this point, they are White Nationalists.

It’s why I like the idea of having immigrants go and colonize the Red States.

You want to take away the right to vote? We will get enough immigrants to shove you out of the way in your own home states.

157 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:36:53pm

re: #155 Bulworth

So if we gut the VRA, how would we know if the cancer (discrimination) is no longer in remission and requires further treatment?

Simple: Benghazi!

158 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:37:22pm

re: #115 b.d.

How sweet, maybe Putin can have Assange over for some tea.

“Polonium or lemon?”

159 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:37:55pm

re: #156 ProTARDISLiberal

I really want to just push the Republicans into a powerless position demographically. At this point, they are White Nationalists.

While there are certainly some who are, for you to tar the entire party as such is both incorrect and counter productive. You constantly engage in this broad brush stuff, and I don’t believe I am the only person here who finds it exasperating.

160 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:37:56pm

David Frum thinks that shit sandwich just might be full of delicious smoked turkey.

161 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:40:17pm

re: #156 ProTARDISLiberal

They are taking away the country from various minorities here! It is enraging.

I want make sure these people stop. Best way to do that?

Take away their power as much as humanly possible.

162 blueraven  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:42:10pm

re: #142 lawhawk

John Boehner ✔ @johnboehner
Study: Obama’s climate plan directly threatens 37,000 workers bit.ly via @thehill

Study by American Action Forum

Board Members of the American Action Forum

Fred Malek, Chairman, Forum Board and Chairman, Thayer Lodging Group

Senator Norm Coleman, Of Counsel, Hogan Lovells US LLP

James Barksdale, Chairman and President, Barksdale Management Corporation

Peter Bell, Former Chairman, Metropolitan Council

Governor Jeb Bush, President, Jeb Bush and Associates

Elaine Chao, 24th Secretary of Labor

Wendy Grubbs, Managing Director, Global Government Affairs, Citi

Bobbie Kilberg, President, Northern Virginia Technology Council

Lauren Maddox, Principal, The Podesta Group

Governor John R. McKernan, Chairman, Education Management Corporation

Billy Pitts, President, Capitol BrainTrust

Governor Tom Ridge, President and CEO, Ridge Global LLC

Bob Steel, former President and CEO, Wachovia

Sara Martinez Tucker, former Under Secretary, U.S. Department of Education

163 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:42:19pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

164 Proud Harpy  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:42:19pm

The testimony Wendy is reading is excellent.

Much more diplomatic than I am feeling right now.

165 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:42:50pm

VRA Decision could aid GOP efforts to cement their majority in the House long-term.

…It’s at the local level where the ruling is likely to have the longest-lasting impact. In many Southern states, legislative districts that elect minority candidates don’t cross the 50 percent threshold, said Michael McDonald, a George Mason University political scientist who studies voting rights and statistics. Those districts would have been subject to the protection of the Justice Department under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, but not under Section 2.

McDonald pointed to Floyd Nicholson, an African American South Carolina Democrat who represents a state Senate district in Greenwood. Nicholson’s district is about 33 percent black; the Justice Department could block any changes to Nicholson’s district under Section 5, but not under Section 2. That means, in the next round of legislative redistricting, Republicans could theoretically split Nicholson’s Democratic base among Republican districts. While losing Nicholson’s state Senate district wouldn’t hurt Democrats in Congress, it would further cement the Republican majority in the South Carolina legislature.

166 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:43:12pm

re: #156 ProTARDISLiberal

I hate to break it to you but here in GA, we already have a ton of immigrants. From all over the place. Including from inside the US. Most of the people you meet in the metro Atlanta area are not from here. I’m from Ohio. My husband is from the DC metro area. Your idea won’t work because it’s not just an easy matter to pack up and move, especially if you have a family and are middle class or below that. There’s also more than a few of us liberals down here, most of whom came here for jobs. We can’t just leave if the rest of ya’all decide to write us off. Hell, the democratic party already has, they don’t sink any money or time into this area, outside of the actual cities of Atlanta and Athens. We’re the UNITED STATES and part of the goddamned problem is that the right has decided people like me are un-American and hate freedom and have no morals. The answer is not more division, it’s LESS.

167 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:44:22pm

Maybe Frum is assuming Republicans who run virtually unopposed are more free to be moderate. I don’t think recent history gives a lot of support for that.

168 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:44:46pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

David Frum thinks that shit sandwich just might be full of delicious smoked turkey.

David Frum, forever chasing that “moderate Republican” unicorn.

169 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:44:52pm

re: #163 lawhawk

He knows it in his heart.


//

170 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:45:34pm

re: #159 bratwurst

The R’s are who they are, do I believe that John McCain is a racist? Orrin Hatch? Probably not, but they say fuckall when assholes like Trent Franks and Louie Gohmert and Virginia Foxx run their mouths. They allow people like Rush Limbaugh to continue to represent themselves as the people that speak for the party. In short, they’re cowards that continue to allow this shit to keep happening. So you dislike the broad brush, then all the R’s have to do is stop aiding and abetting the monster that they’ve created and deal with it instead of riding the tiger as some kind of zero sum political calculation. Their entire media wing feeds this shit and guess what, they keep nominating the lowest common denominator as their candidates. Get back to me with a new set of brushes as soon as they change the tunes on the wingnut jukebox.

171 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:46:02pm

re: #162 blueraven

Those all look like non-bi-partisan real Americans to me.

//

172 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:46:13pm

This:

Americans don’t really think global warming is a big deal

References a Pew poll released yesterday:

Climate Change and Financial Instability Seen as Top Global Threats

173 Joanne  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:46:39pm

re: #128 Dr. Matt

Wait, I thought he was a citizen of Kenya. Now it’s Indonesia?

It’s so hard to keep up with Orly T.

174 Ian G.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:46:43pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

He’s actually chasing Democrats, who will work to enforce Republican moderation by voting against the loons in general elections.

It’s an interesting theory. I mean, I doubt Michele Bachmann could win a seat in Minnesota if her district weren’t cut so perfectly. I have no idea if it will work in practice in more wingnutty states.

175 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:47:35pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

David Frum, forever chasing that “moderate Republican” unicorn.

He could end up impaled on the horn of a longhorn statue.

176 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:48:27pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

He’s smoking something really bad for him. He should come down to my neighborhood and visit, I could show him some stuff that would change his mind fast. My rep is Phil Gingrey, used to be Tom Price, both tea party nuts who are scared shitless of the tea party loons down here. If anything, they’ll be MORE able to let their freak flags fly now. Who is he kidding besides himself?

177 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:49:08pm

re: #174 Ian G.

He’s actually chasing Democrats, who will work to enforce Republican moderation by voting against the loons in general elections.

It’s an interesting theory. I mean, I doubt Michele Bachmann could win a seat in Minnesota if her district weren’t cut so perfectly. I have no idea if it will work in practice in more wingnutty states.

If Bachmann had had to compete outside of her oh-so-perfect district, I doubt she’d win. That’s why, despite some talk I’ve read from the RWNJ’s, I doubt she’d run for US Senator from Minnesota: she’d be crushed in a landslide and I think she knows it.

178 Ian G.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:49:38pm

So the S&P 500 is up about 1% today. How much do you want to bet that, had Obama made this climate change speech yesterday, that the wingnut twitter brigade would be howling about it being a reaction to the economy-killing socialism of combating climate change?

179 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:49:45pm

re: #141 Kragar

Brewer On VRA Ruling: ‘Bad Things That Took Place Decades Ago’ Don’t Happen Anymore

Sure they don’t, Governor.

Texas Redistricting Fight Shows Why Voting Rights Act Still Needed

King Street “Patriots”: Voter Intimidation Continues At Polling Stations Around Houston

Federal Court: Texas Voter ID Law Violates Voting Rights Act

The Texas Attorney General said TODAY that he would re-implement this law, on the heels of today’s decision, even though the Texas ID law was in violation of Section 5 of the VRA, which is still in force.

I fully expect that we will see at least one state within the next 12 months attempt to re-implement either a revamping of a ‘literacy test’ or a poll tax to restrict minority voting.

180 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:51:31pm

re: #166 A Mom Anon

I have the opposite view. The Republican Party has been viciously intolerant. They will keep trying to push people and persecute them. We need less-peace making and kumbaya, and more more pushback.

At the rate we are going, we will compromise away the Civil Rights Act(s). When is enough enough? I’ve gotten real tired of being told that I must accept massive bashing for my views. I want that situation to turn around. They want a zero-sum game, give it to them. We outnumber them a little bit, and liberalizing immigration will make this situation better.

181 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:52:19pm

re: #170 piratedan

The R’s are who they are, do I believe that John McCain is a racist? Orrin Hatch? Probably not, but they say fuckall when assholes like Trent Franks and Louie Gohmert and Virginia Foxx run their mouths. They allow people like Rush Limbaugh to continue to represent themselves as the people that speak for the party. In short, they’re cowards that continue to allow this shit to keep happening. So you dislike the broad brush, then all the R’s have to do is stop aiding and abetting the monster that they’ve created and deal with it instead of riding the tiger as some kind of zero sum political calculation. Their entire media wing feeds this shit and guess what, they keep nominating the lowest common denominator as their candidates. Get back to me with a new set of brushes as soon as they change the tunes on the wingnut jukebox.

I am certainly no Republican, but I stand by my assertion that saying “At this point, they are White Nationalists” is not anywhere close to correct. YMMV

182 dragonath  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:52:40pm

re: #161 ProTARDISLiberal

I want make sure these people stop. Best way to do that?

Take away their power as much as humanly possible.

You don’t take away- you enfranchise. The Supreme Court is intentionally taking away a minority’s protection from the majority.

183 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:53:30pm

re: #163 lawhawk

He seems to have forgotten the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the Voting Rights Act. That’s all.

184 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:54:37pm

re: #181 bratwurst

The problem about the GOP is, though, they court the white nationalists as part of their coalition to get the vote count needed to maintain their majority in the state houses in various states, and their slim lead in the US House.

185 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:55:29pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

He seems to have forgotten the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the Voting Rights Act. That’s all.

Frum seems to be under the delusion that, by allowing the GOP to further suppress liberal voters, it will magically lead to less conservative districts which will allow “moderate Republicans” to feel comfortable stretching their arms instead of being constrained by needing to seem more crazy than the loons who are set to primary their asses into retirement.

186 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:56:47pm

On a completely different, but fascinating, note, about which I linked a couple of days ago, this story is slowly spreading around the internetz:

Why Is This Egyptian Statue Spinning?

187 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:56:58pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

Frum seems to be under the delusion that, by allowing the GOP to further suppress liberal voters, it will magically lead to less conservative districts which will allow “moderate Republicans” to feel comfortable stretching their arms instead of being constrained by needing to seem more crazy than the loons who are set to primary their asses into retirement.

It will magically lead to more democracy, because that is the ultimate goal of any political party.

/

188 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:56:59pm

re: #98 Kragar

Texas Advances Voter ID Law After Supreme Court Strikes Down Voting Rights Act

Remember folks, Texas is the last great bastion for freedom and liberty in the US.

/spit

Remember the Alamo !!!!11!!

189 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:57:05pm

re: #182 dragonath

They have a zero-sum game mindset. Give it to them. By encouraging immigrants in the US to settle into Red Regions in mass, resulting in these people being forced into a minority in there own region. Marginalize them.

190 dragonath  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:58:50pm

re: #189 ProTARDISLiberal

They have a zero-sum game mindset. Give it to them. By encouraging immigrants in the US to settle into Red Regions in mass, resulting in these people being forced into a minority in there own region. Marginalize them.

No. I refuse to become them. And immigrants aren’t goddamned foederati, subject to a political party’s whims.

191 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:58:53pm

re: #184 freetoken

The problem about the GOP is, though, they court the white nationalists as part of their coalition to get the vote count needed to maintain their majority in the state houses in various states, and their slim lead in the US House.

There is no doubt about this at all. I still can’t accept that means “At this point, they are White Nationalists” is correct to say about the GOP. I think there is a tiny bit of room for nuance before we condemn all 59,134,475 who voted for Mitt Romney as White Nationalists.

192 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:59:11pm

re: #181 bratwurst

I am certainly no Republican, but I stand by my assertion that saying “At this point, they are White Nationalists” is not anywhere close to correct. YMMV

I’m prepared to believe the GOP only has a small fraction of dedicated White Nationalists. However, there is a much larger fraction of the GOP (perhaps more than 50%) that will stand aside and do nothing to oppose the White Nationalists (or their agenda), as long as the White Nationalists are sufficiently loyal members of the tribe.

193 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:59:19pm

re: #189 ProTARDISLiberal

They have a zero-sum game mindset. Give it to them. By encouraging immigrants in the US to settle into Red Regions in mass, resulting in these people being forced into a minority in there own region. Marginalize them.

These people are not your pawns.

194 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:59:31pm

And now North Carolina is moving forward with its own Voter ID law that would have been in violation of the VRA.

Congrats, SCOTUS, you just compounded your stupidity from Citizens United.

195 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:00:28pm

re: #192 EPR-radar

I’m prepared to believe the GOP only has a small fraction of dedicated White Nationalists. However, there is a much larger fraction of the GOP (perhaps more than 50%) that will stand aside and do nothing to oppose the White Nationalists (or their agenda), as long as the White Nationalists are sufficiently loyal members of the tribe.

To us they are “white nationalists” , to the GOP “concerned Patriots”.

196 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:01:23pm

re: #191 bratwurst

The die-hard white nationalists know how to play on the broader grievances that drive revanchism. When the tea partiers cry that they want to “take their country back” some of them really do mean from the brown people, while others are simply emoting about a loss of power (though it is a loss of the ability to comprehend the change occurring around them, I propose.)

197 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:01:33pm

re: #114 ProTARDISLiberal

This decision really pissed me off.

Everything pisses you off, and then you wallow in the anger. Reject anger son. Embrace objectivity without anger. It’s much better for you.

198 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:02:02pm

Considering their rulings yesterday and today, I’m pretty much ready to wake up tomorrow or Thursday to hearing that Prop 8 will be kicked back to the lower court and DOMA allowed to stand because SCOTUS is afraid of rocking the boat.

199 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:02:57pm

Watch live: Female Democratic state senator singlehandedly filibusters Texas anti-abortion bill

rawstory.com

200 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:03:23pm

re: #180 ProTARDISLiberal

I have the opposite view. The Republican Party has been viciously intolerant. They will keep trying to push people and persecute them. We need less-peace making and kumbaya, and more more pushback.
[snip]

Always with the negative waves Moriarty. Always with the negative waves!
;)

201 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:03:42pm

re: #197 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Everything pisses you off, and then you wallow in the anger. Reject anger son. Embrace objectivity without anger. It’s much better for you.

Or transform the anger into passion that drives concrete action toward achievable goals.

Fantasizing about how one would rearrange the world if one were omnipotent is stunningly pointless.

202 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:03:51pm

re: #107 Kragar

So, the only cable news channel to cover the whole climate change speech was…

The Weather Channel

Good grief.

203 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:04:29pm

re: #197 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Everything pisses you off, and then you wallow in the anger. Reject anger son. Embrace objectivity without anger. It’s much better for you.

Take your Jedi mumbo jumbo and shove it.
;)

204 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:04:51pm

re: #191 bratwurst

There is no doubt about this at all. I still can’t accept that means “At this point, they are White Nationalists” is correct to say about the GOP. I think there is a tiny bit of room for nuance before we condemn all 59,134,475 who voted for Mitt Romney as White Nationalists.

Maybe not all 59 million of the voters are, but they are more than willing to accept the white nationalists who are currently in party leadership positions, as well as writing the party platforms at federal, state, and local levels.

205 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:05:46pm

re: #123 Kragar

That is like arguing that Justin Bieber is a better musician than Mozart because he’s got more likes on facebook.

I’m going to tweet that, and you can’t stop me.

206 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:05:46pm

re: #203 Varek Raith

Take your Jedi mumbo jumbo and shove it.
;)

Only Sith believe in absolutes.

/

207 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:06:50pm

re: #206 Targetpractice

Only Sith believe in absolutes.

/

In Soviet Old Republic Absolut drink Sith!

:D

208 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:07:12pm

Dear moderate GOPers still trying to get your party back,

Forget it. It’s gone. You’ve been trying and failing. Terribly. Time to put that energy to building a sane party.

209 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:07:23pm

re: #204 RadicalModerate

Maybe not all 59 million of the voters are, but they are more than willing to accept the white nationalists who are currently in party leadership positions, as well as writing the party platforms at federal, state, and local levels.

Indeed. We are getting close to the point where it is fair to say that a vote for the GOP is a vote for White Nationalism. A few years of backsliding on voting rights in the formerly pre-cleared VRA jurisdictions should be all the evidence it takes to make this case.

210 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:07:29pm

re: #207 Feline Fearless Leader

In Soviet Old Republic Absolut drink Sith!

:D

What seems to be the officer, problem?

211 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:07:30pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

That’s what I mean - the VRA came into being because the people in many Southern states (and not just right wingers, either) proved that, given the chance, they would try hard to suppress minority votes.

Frum’s pushing a variation on the right’s “racism is no longer a real problem” meme. I honestly can’t tell if it’s because he really believes in this fantasy or if he’s spinning.

I’ve given up trying to distinguish that, actually.

212 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:08:02pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

Yes, DOMA will be defended on the basis of “not legislating from the bench”.

213 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:08:18pm

re: #209 EPR-radar

Indeed. We are getting close to the point where it is fair to say that a vote for the GOP is a vote for White Nationalism. A few years of backsliding on voting rights in the formerly pre-cleared VRA jurisdictions should be all the evidence it takes to make this case.

It is not just that these people are just tolerated within the party, they are advanced to leadership positions. That should be a major warning sign.

214 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:08:58pm

re: #204 RadicalModerate

Maybe not all 59 million of the voters are, but they are more than willing to accept the white nationalists who are currently in party leadership positions, as well as writing the party platforms at federal, state, and local levels.

This might be the first time I have ever defended the GOP (here or elsewhere), but there are not, in fact, WHITE NATIONALISTS in GOP party leadership. I do not like any of their policies, and there is no doubt about the Southern strategy. Again, I just think we can be a tiny bit nuanced in our criticism.

215 Higgs Boson's Mate  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:09:30pm

We’re doing climate change wrong. Just convince Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and the other usual suspects that there are billions to be made in fighting climate change and it will suddenly become Congress’ first priority. We’re shoveling billions at them already. Why not have some of them do some good?

216 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:09:38pm
217 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:09:44pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

That’s what I mean - the VRA came into being because the people in many Southern states (and not just right wingers, either) proved that, given the chance, they would try hard to suppress minority votes.

Frum’s pushing a variation on the right’s “racism is no longer a real problem” meme. I honestly can’t tell if it’s because he really believes in this fantasy or if he’s spinning.

I’ve given up trying to distinguish that, actually.

It’s like I said, Frum’s continuing to chase that “moderate Republican” unicorn. The man has been arguing since ‘10, if not longer, that the party crazies will eventually be marginalized and then driven out, while instead all they’ve done is made further in-roads into the heart of the party. He wants to believe this will allow the GOP to put more room between it and the loons, while everybody else sees that this will only give the loons a bigger say in future votes.

218 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:10:22pm

re: #207 Feline Fearless Leader

Absi[n]th[e].

219 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:11:02pm

It’s not like the USSC hasn’t made historically blundering mistakes before.

220 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:11:05pm

re: #215 Higgs Boson’s Mate

We’re doing climate change wrong. Just convince Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and the other usual suspects that there are billions to be made in fighting climate change and it will suddenly become Congress’ first priority. We’re shoveling billions at them already. Why not have some of them do some good?

Funny, because we have a good share of the military clearly aware of the threat of global warming and issuing reports on how it could affect our strategic options in the future.

But the military-industrial complex is controlled by another bunch of people entirely.

221 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:11:49pm

re: #212 Bulworth

Yes, DOMA will be defended on the basis of “not legislating from the bench”.

Worst scenario, they jump on Kennedy’s bandwagon of arguing that DOMA is unconstitutional on 10th Amendment grounds, which would pretty much throw open the gates to all lawsuits claiming that the government can’t do this or that under the 10th. Leading the pack would no doubt be a lawsuit to overturn the ACA on the grounds that it violates the 10th.

222 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:13:17pm

re: #142 lawhawk

A study by the American Action Forum.

Here’s my surprised face…

223 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:15:37pm

So now in Texas you need an ID before they tell you that you can’t vote?

224 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:15:46pm

re: #186 freetoken

On a completely different, but fascinating, note, about which I linked a couple of days ago, this story is slowly spreading around the internetz:

Why Is This Egyptian Statue Spinning?

Pretty obvious that it only spins when there is vibration from people walking by or vehicles driving by. The bottom is obviously not flat but has a bump that the statue spins around.

I didn’t watch more than 15 seconds of the video and didn’t read the article. How did I do?

225 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:16:20pm

re: #224 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

AFAIK, no one has a definitive answer yet.

226 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:16:59pm

Shapiro’s got the wrong disease metaphor.

Gutting the VRA now, when the DoJ still has to block states from discriminatory practices, is like stopping your antibiotic when your fever falls - it will make it harder to kill the infection next time.

227 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:17:07pm

re: #216 lawhawk

.@JamesOKeefeIII

Hahahaha, So now O’Keefe is sticking up for Glenn Greenwald?

228 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:17:24pm

re: #203 Varek Raith

Take your Jedi mumbo jumbo and shove it.
;)

The gas pain is strong in this one. Use the Beano, Raith.

229 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:18:12pm

re: #227 b.d.

Hahahaha, So now O’Keefe is sticking up for Glenn Greenwald?

that should be the kiss of death right there….

230 simoom  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:18:43pm

Glenn Greenwald on Snowden divulging classified documents on US cyber-ops targeting China to the South China Morning Post:

thedailybeast.com

“What motivated that leak though was a need to ingratiate himself to the people of Hong Kong and China.”

231 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:19:53pm

re: #230 simoom

Glenn Greenwald on Snowden divulging classified documents on US cyber-ops targeting China to the South China Morning Post:

thedailybeast.com

In other words, selling out his own country to save his ass. That used to be called “espionage.”

232 Ming  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:19:54pm

re: #4 Tigger2

I wonder if the climate deniers on the coast will still be denying it in the future when they are standing waist deep in water in their front yards.

Yes, it’ll be interesting to see what happens to the US coasts. And I’m afraid that some coastal areas near Tel Aviv may be a concern.

There’s a third area where I spend a lot of time for work: the Phoenix / Scottsdale “Valley of the Sun” area in Arizona. Summers here are brutally hot, trust me.

I have to wonder if, or how much, the real estate market here is affected by the prospect of increasing temperatures. Sure, if you’re buying a retirement condo, you may not care about the temperatures in 2035. But if you’re raising young kids and thinking about a family life that goes on for decades… you may think twice about the “Valley of the Sun”.

This area has a reputation (maybe not fully-deserved) as “conservative”… it’ll be interesting to see how people here think about global warming, as the years go on.

233 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:20:55pm

re: #180 ProTARDISLiberal

It’s easy to say this stuff when you don’t live here. If you knew me, you’d know kumbaya is about as far away from who I am as possible. No, what we need are more active democrats digging in deep and doing the hard work needed to turn more of the state blue. We also have to work on changing impressions, because the ONLY way you’ll see a change in attitudes is when people personally know and like someone who is a democrat/liberal. That’s how this stuff works, it’s one of the only ways to affect any sort of lasting change. How do you propose sending all these immigrants here? Where will they live and work? How will they get registered to vote? How will they stay out of the poorer areas where their rights will be trampled all over because of gerrymandering? Are you going to come here and help the few progressive dems there are to run for office or just work to get out the vote? Because I can assure you, it’s not at all safe for little old me to undertake that on my own.

234 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:22:40pm

re: #226 GeneJockey

Shapiro’s got the wrong disease metaphor.

Gutting the VRA now, when the DoJ still has to block states from discriminatory practices, is like stopping your antibiotic when your fever falls - it will make it harder to kill the infection next time.

That is a MOST excellent observation!

235 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:23:17pm

re: #227 b.d.

Hahahaha, So now O’Keefe is sticking up for Glenn Greenwald?

well, it takes a non-journalist to recognize and support another non-journalist…

236 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:23:38pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

In other words, selling out his own country to save his ass. That used to be called “espionage.”

still is

237 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:23:45pm

re: #230 simoom

Glenn Greenwald on Snowden divulging classified documents on US cyber-ops targeting China:

“What motivated that leak though was a need to ingratiate himself to the people of Hong Kong and China.”

Hokey Smokes, Bullwinkle! Did he really say that? How is that NOT selling state secrets? And Greenwald is supposed to be a lawyer?

238 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:24:56pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is a MOST excellent observation!

Well, see, I worked in Infectious Disease for a long time, and now I work in Cancer….

239 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:25:04pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

Unfortunately, I live in NC and Shadow Governor Art Pope controls the General Assembly and the fragile progress we’ve made over the years is about to be shattered. I tried to tell the libertarian hipsters that Pat McCrory was just a figurehead who didn’t know shit and could be manipulated, just as he was by the Chamber of Commerce and Duke Energy. But they voted him mayor of Charlotte 7 times, too. Beware of mild-mannered Republicans who are just fronts for the reactionaries.

240 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:25:06pm
241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:25:45pm

re: #230 simoom

Glenn Greenwald on Snowden divulging classified documents on US cyber-ops targeting China to the South China Morning Post:

thedailybeast.com

wait, what??? GG is admitting espionage on the part of Snowden? And GG KNEW it???

242 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:25:47pm

re: #232 Ming

Yes, it’ll be interesting to see what happens to the US coasts. And I’m afraid that some coastal areas near Tel Aviv may be a concern.

There’s a third area where I spend a lot of time for work: the Phoenix / Scottsdale “Valley of the Sun” area in Arizona. Summers here are brutally hot, trust me.

I have to wonder if, or how much, the real estate market here is affected by the prospect of increasing temperatures. Sure, if you’re buying a retirement condo, you may not care about the temperatures in 2035. But if you’re raising young kids and thinking about a family life that goes on for decades… you may think twice about the “Valley of the Sun”.

This area has a reputation (maybe not fully-deserved) as “conservative”… it’ll be interesting to see how people here think about global warming, as the years go on.

more of a concern is the droppiog levels of the Colorado river and the ever decreasing snow pack of the Rockies impacting how much water is in the aquifers. Growth in the SW may soon grind to a halt as water is indeed the most precious resource.

243 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:25:54pm

How is what Greenwald describing not espionage/giving state secrets to a foreign power? Sorry this stopped at being whistleblowing. It’s whistle giving at this point.

244 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:26:31pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

Cripes, these people. I can’t believe them. Greenwald calls himself an American?

245 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:26:47pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

I’ve heard that Snowden also has a copy of the original Whitey Tape.

246 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:27:40pm

Oath of Allegiance (United States)

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

Only applies to immigrants. It appears that “native born” Muricans could learn something from this.

247 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:28:11pm

re: #216 lawhawk

Yeah, I thought it was ironic that a ‘journalist’ who’s an actual convicted criminal for acts perpetrated under the guise of ‘journalism’ should be talking about the criminalization of journalism. It seemed to me that he’s one of those criminalizing it.

248 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:28:38pm

And this punk was in the army too.

249 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:29:09pm

So he is giving away state secrets in exchange for favorable treatment from foreign governments. He’s actually making Bradley Manning look respectable.

250 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:29:19pm

re: #248 Gus

And this punk was in the army too.

I’m beginning to think I know how he got both of his legs broken.

251 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:29:34pm

re: #249 Targetpractice

So he is giving away state secrets in exchange for favorable treatment from foreign governments. He’s actually making Bradley Manning look respectable.

Yeah but he should be pardoned.//

252 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:30:55pm

Seriously this shit stinks. Want to start a conversation on this issue, awesome I’m there with you. But I am not in favor at all of our secrets being given to a foreign power especially a hostile one at that and then celebrating the person who gave those secrets away.

253 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:32:28pm

Of course if you’re a left wing critic of Snowden and Greenwald, somehow you’re no better than Bush, are a blind Obama apologist, and are an enemy of freedom. Must be nice to live in an ivory tower.

254 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:33:02pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Of course if you’re a left wing critic of Snowden and Greenwald, somehow you’re no better than Bush, are a blind Obama apologist, and are an enemy of freedom. Must be nice to live in an ivory tower.

More like a glass house.

255 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:33:03pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is a MOST excellent observation!

Dude!

256 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:33:23pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

Linky/source? And that definitely seems like big enough news to page/article.

257 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:33:45pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Seriously this shit stinks. Want to start a conversation on this issue, awesome I’m there with you. But I am not in favor at all of our secrets being given to a foreign power especially a hostile one at that and then celebrating the person who gave those secrets away.

More and more I think this is a case of Snowden being either a con man in over his head, and of folks like Greenwald who got taken in and now are afraid lose face by admitting they picked the wrong horse.

258 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:33:58pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Picasso would pay for dinners by doodling on a napkin, Snowden is doing the same thing except with a flash drive.

259 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:34:29pm

re: #254 Gus

More like a glass house.

Sure that works too but I’ll use ivory tower because the people I am speaking of act like they’re somehow ideologically better than those who dare to look between the lines on this issue.

260 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:35:09pm

re: #256 lawhawk

Linky/source? And that definitely seems like big enough news to page/article.

thedailybeast.com

261 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:35:16pm

Likewise in the Daily Beast article is the suggestion that Snowden has been engaged in stealing documents and data for years and squirreling it away with deadman’s switches in place to ensure their release even if he’s captured or killed.

This is not a “whistleblower,” a young guy who saw something he didn’t like or find morally agreeable and brought it to light. There is nothing noble about his actions at all.

262 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:36:12pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Sure that works too but I’ll use ivory tower because the people I am speaking of act like they’re somehow ideologically better than those who dare to look between the lines on this issue.

Yes, while they sit their with their dyed beards and Keffiyeh scarves.

263 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:38:34pm

ANOTHER ZIONIST OVERLORD HAS ARRIVED!

My daughter in Jerusalem gave birth to a baby girl.

That makes 32 overlords for the Babushka.

WELCOME YOUR NEW OVERLORD.

264 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:39:11pm

re: #224 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

While I know that is the explanation, I still find this funny.

Don’t Blink.

Now, I will be cooling off for a bit then. Toodles. Back tomorrow.

265 simoom  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:39:18pm

re: #260 Gus

The other interesting bit from that story is that Greenwald seems to have a pretty cavalier attitude when it comes to distributing a massive trove of US secrets across the internet. It sounds like he was just going e-mail an encrypted archive to his spouse in Rio.

266 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:39:19pm
267 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:40:47pm

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

ANOTHER ZIONIST OVERLORD HAS ARRIVED!

My daughter in Jerusalem gave birth to a baby girl.

That makes 32 overlords for the Babushka.

WELCOME YOUR NEW OVERLORD.

Much congrats to you and the whole fam.

268 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:41:27pm

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

Mazel tov and may she bring you and yours much joy and happiness!

269 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:43:51pm

We don’t have all the details such as weight, etc. but this was exhausting for my daughter. She had to have a C-section because she was in labor but then her contractions stopped.

So excited for a girl because she has 4 sons and 1 daughter.

We will know the name on Thursday.

270 Higgs Boson's Mate  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:43:57pm

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

Congratulations! May she marry a doctor, or a dentist, or a CPA… : )

271 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:44:20pm

re: #270 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Congratulations! May she marry a doctor, or a dentist, or a CPA… : )

No no, you’re supposed to say MAY SHE BECOME a doctor, etc.

272 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:44:36pm

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

ANOTHER ZIONIST OVERLORD HAS ARRIVED!

My daughter in Jerusalem gave birth to a baby girl.

That makes 32 overlords for the Babushka.

WELCOME YOUR NEW OVERLORD.

Mazel tov! May she live long and well. ;)

273 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:47:01pm

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

Awesome! Congrats and blessings and yay!!!

274 Higgs Boson's Mate  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:47:22pm

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

I am too soon old and too late smart.

275 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:49:35pm

re: #274 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I am too soon old and too late smart.

I always thought it should be “We grow too late smart and too soon dead.”


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