Greenwald: Snowden Leaked Secrets to “Ingratiate Himself to Hong Kong and China”

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Glenn Greenwald is out there spreading paranoia about the US government again, telling the Daily Beast’s Eli Lake that Edward Snowden has distributed archives of his stolen documents to “many different people,” just in case “anything happens” to him.

As the U.S. government presses Moscow to extradite former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, America’s most wanted leaker has a plan B. The former NSA systems administrator has already given encoded files containing an archive of the secrets he lifted from his old employer to several people. If anything happens to Snowden, the files will be unlocked.

Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist who Snowden first contacted in February, told The Daily Beast on Tuesday that Snowden “has taken extreme precautions to make sure many different people around the world have these archives to insure the stories will inevitably be published.” Greenwald added that the people in possession of these files “cannot access them yet because they are highly encrypted and they do not have the passwords.” But, Greenwald said, “if anything happens at all to Edward Snowden, he told me he has arranged for them to get access to the full archives.”

Like falling into the tender hands of Vladimir Putin, for example?

Also in this article, a very striking quote from Greenwald; the more he “explains” Snowden’s motives, the worse they sound.

Greenwald said he would not have published some of the stories that ran in the South China Morning Post. “Whether I would have disclosed the specific IP addresses in China and Hong Kong the NSA is hacking, I don’t think I would have,” Greenwald said. “What motivated that leak though was a need to ingratiate himself to the people of Hong Kong and China.

And what better way to “ingratiate” yourself to a country like China than to betray the United States?

Nice to know there are some things Glenn Greenwald wouldn’t publish, though.

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553 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:39:31pm

Then he’s a criminal. Sorry but this isn’t some guy who was troubled by policy and shared it with a friendly reporter. This is a guy who shared information with countries hostile to the US so he’d impress them. I don’t care if it makes me sound right wing and fascistic as hell, he committed a crime and he should go to trial for it. And if Greenwald knew he intended to give his information to a foreign power then I wonder about him too.

2 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:41:07pm

And this still isn’t espionage to Glenn because…?

3 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:41:32pm

SnowDenLai.

Nice little tip you left for them there bub.

4 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:41:52pm

So Greenwald is trying to spin himself as a hero who only reported the facts as he understood them.

Good luck with that, worm.

5 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:42:08pm

Shit, this sounds like a page out of Assange’s book. I’m beginning to wonder if the suggestions that this is all a Wikileaks operation might not have a hint of truth to them.

6 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:43:15pm

Good spies know when to shut the f*ck up.

7 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:44:08pm

And besides, is Greenwald now admitting in part that he’s not privy to the whole of Snowden’s stash and others might have info that he’s not been made party to?

8 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:44:43pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Then he’s a criminal. Sorry but this isn’t some guy who was troubled by policy and shared it with a friendly reporter. This is a guy who shared information with countries hostile to the US so he’d impress them. I don’t care if it makes me sound right wing and fascistic as hell, he committed a crime and he should go to trial for it. And if Greenwald knew he intended to give his information to a foreign power then I wonder about him too.

believe that comes under the heading of “aiding and abetting”. The Libertarian credo, I/Me/Myself up and above any and all other entities. So Snowden doesn’t see himself as an American, which is fine, but as a citizen of the world and trying to make this a better place. Shame that he didn’t take the same chutzpah to many of the various other problems of the world instead.

9 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:45:12pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

And besides, is Greenwald now admitting in part that he’s not privy to the whole of Snowden’s stash and others might have info that he’s not been made party to?

We are getting close to the final “criminal or incompetent” decision by Greenwald.

10 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:45:48pm

The funniest thing in all this is Greenwald still thinks he makes things better when he talks about what he and Snowden did.

11 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:46:45pm

re: #8 piratedan

believe that comes under the heading of “aiding and abetting”. The Libertarian credo, I/Me/Myself up and above any and all other entities. So Snowden doesn’t see himself as an American, which is fine, but as a citizen of the world and trying to make this a better place. Shame that he didn’t take the same chutzpah to many of the various other problems of the world instead.

If he sees himself as a citizen of the world type then frankly, he shouldn’t be working for an agency like the NSA. Really I’ve got no problem with people who object to what the CIA/NSA etc do but if you don’t like it, I’d humbly suggest working somewhere else.

12 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:47:27pm

Buchanan: Allowing women in combat roles makes us worse than Nazis

Just when we thought we were done hearing Nazi comparisons today, Pat Buchanan is now arguing that the new military policy opening up combat and special unit roles to women is so wrong that even the Nazis wouldn’t have considered it. In his column, “The Pentagon’s Surrender to Feminism,” Buchanan argues that “even the Third Reich in its dying hours did not send women into battle.”

He writes that putting women in combat positions “violate[s] common sense” and “thousands of years” of human civilization, even insisting that “the Pentagon’s salute to feminist ideology” will encourage rape and displace men. He also cites mass murderers and violent criminals to prove his point that “men are bigger, stronger [and] more aggressive” than women.

13 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:47:54pm

re: #10 Kragar

Greenwald’s need for constant attention is going to be the downfall of him. Boy, never saw that one coming.

14 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:48:23pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

If he sees himself as a citizen of the world type then frankly, he shouldn’t be working for an agency like the NSA. Really I’ve got no problem with people who object to what the CIA/NSA etc do but if you don’t like it, I’d humbly suggest working somewhere else.

Snowden strikes me as an activist who not only thinks the government shouldn’t be in the business of keeping secrets, but thinks that he should assume the power to decide what secrets it can keep.

15 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:49:01pm

Still waiting for those top secret documents from China, Russia, Iran…

16 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:49:01pm

re: #12 Kragar

Buchanan: Allowing women in combat roles makes us worse than Nazis

Of course, Pat Buchanan doesn’t think the Nazis were all that bad, so maybe he’s cool with it.

17 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:49:10pm

re: #10 Kragar

The funniest thing in all this is Greenwald still thinks he makes things better when he talks about what he and Snowden did.

I fear for the folks that actually risk their lives doing the grey things that this country asks of them. They usually live thankless lives gathering the information that helps to keep us blissfully ignorant going to ballgames or concerts and for their trouble, this dickwad may have put their lives in even more danger so he can satisfy his ideological woody.

18 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:49:21pm

re: #12 Kragar

Buchanan: Allowing women in combat roles makes us worse than Nazis

I’m surprised he didn’t say it made us commies since the USSR did it during WW2 including there being a few female ace fighter pilots. Oh wait, that would imply they could be *competent* in a combat role.

19 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:49:25pm

re: #12 Kragar

Buchanan: Allowing women in combat roles makes us worse than Nazis

I think I just lost my collective intelligence doing that. So Pat’s arguing that because the Third Reich even in desperate hours did not send women into combat (not exactly true btw) that means we’re no better than the Nazis because we are now. No Pat it doesn’t work that way. Now go and praise Franco and the other fascists you love in the corner alone you shriveled up old fuckwad.

20 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:49:31pm
21 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:49:53pm

re: #12 Kragar

Buchanan: Allowing women in combat roles makes us worse than Nazis

Being bigger and stronger in a fight stopped mattering around the same time as Samual Colt invented his six shooter, try and keep up Pat.

22 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:50:36pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

If he sees himself as a citizen of the world type then frankly, he shouldn’t be working for an agency like the NSA. Really I’ve got no problem with people who object to what the CIA/NSA etc do but if you don’t like it, I’d humbly suggest working somewhere else.

no argument from me, but entitled libertarian white dudes are gonna do libertarian white dude thangs.

23 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:50:48pm

re: #18 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m surprised he didn’t say it made us commies since the USSR did it during WW2 including there being a few female ace fighter pilots. Oh wait, that would imply they could be *competent* in a combat role.

Quite a few top notch female snipers too. Really as a guy, I look at this issue this way. If a woman wants to serve her country by fighting in combat, she should be able to do it. Sne’s a soldier who just happens to be a woman not a woman who happens to eb a soldier. I know damn well that there are plenty of women who are more cut for military service then me. Their gender and my gender have nothing to do with it.

24 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:51:27pm

re: #20 Kragar

First Texas, now NC

North Carolina Republican Says Voter ID Bill Will Now Move Ahead

Again Justice Roberts, is your question answered now regarding the South?

25 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:52:01pm

re: #18 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m surprised he didn’t say it made us commies since the USSR did it during WW2 including there being a few female ace fighter pilots. Oh wait, that would imply they could be *competent* in a combat role.

There was also a female Russian sniper with over 300 kills in that war…

26 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:52:05pm

re: #22 piratedan

no argument from me, but entitled libertarian white dudes are gonna do libertarian white dude thangs.

I blame Microsoft and Sony.

If they built a console worth a damn, these nutjobs would be off the streets!
//

27 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:52:07pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

Snowden strikes me as an activist who not only thinks the government shouldn’t be in the business of keeping secrets, but thinks that he should assume the power to decide what secrets it can keep.

Which makes me think this was done in part because of ego as well. Snowden obviously has a big ego.

28 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:52:20pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

And besides, is Greenwald now admitting in part that he’s not privy to the whole of Snowden’s stash and others might have info that he’s not been made party to?

Greenwald is beginning the process of extricating himself from the middle of the story.

No doubt, wiser legal minds than his own have told him that he’s got seriously liability unless he runs away, far and fast.

He’s a coward, on top of everything else.

29 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:52:37pm
30 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:52:53pm
31 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:52:58pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Again Justice Roberts, is your question answered now regarding the South?

SCOTUS issues followup:

“Oops.”

32 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:53:13pm

re: #20 Kragar

I just heard on the radio that Mississippi is moving forward with the voter ID law that was just recently struck down by the district court. So let’s see, who’s next, GA? AL? FL? SC? Oh hell why not all of them at once?

33 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:53:38pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

and gee, what is the one thing all of these states share? can someone moar intelligent than me connect the dots?

34 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:53:51pm

re: #32 A Mom Anon

I just heard on the radio that Mississippi is moving forward with the voter ID law that was just recently struck down by the district court. So let’s see, who’s next, GA? AL? FL? SC? Oh hell why not all of them at once?

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!!!
/

And get bitch slapped for it, again.

35 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:53:57pm

re: #31 Kragar

SCOTUS issues followup:

“Oops.”

Feature, not bug.

36 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:54:06pm

re: #28 makeitstop

Greenwald is beginning the process of extricating himself from the middle of the story.

No doubt, wiser legal minds than his own have told him that he’s got seriously liability unless he runs away, far and fast.

He’s a coward, on top of everything else.

Being a lawyer, I’m sure he’s got that portion of his own brain that realizes that he’s in serious danger of treading past even the most liberal interpretation of First Amendment protections for the press and straight into conspiracy charges.

37 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:54:22pm

re: #33 piratedan

and gee, what is the one thing all of these states share? can someone moar intelligent than me connect the dots?

A history of cousins marrying cousins?

38 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:54:54pm

Bryan you stupid fuck

39 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:55:18pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Being a lawyer, I’m sure he’s got that portion of his own brain that realizes that he’s in serious danger of treading past even the most liberal interpretation of First Amendment protections for the press and straight into conspiracy charges.

I dunno. There are some pretty damned stupid lawyers out there.

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:55:23pm

re: #34 Kragar

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!!!
/

And get bitch slapped for it, again.

SCOTUS engaged in its latest hobby of striking big holes in voter rights and protections while tossing the hot potato to Congress with the declaration that it’s their job to keep the whole mess under control.

41 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:55:24pm

re: #34 Kragar

Christ, they didn’t even wait half a day.

Is there a sane part of the country left?

42 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:55:42pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Again Justice Roberts, is your question answered now regarding the South?

What decided the gutting of the VRA was Weathervane Kennedy’s susceptibility to stupid Federalism pet tricks disguised as legal arguments.

Roberts’ contribution most likely was this business of killing section 4 (as opposed to section 5) and putting the issue into the hands of a non-functioning Congress.

43 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:56:06pm

re: #39 GeneJockey

I dunno. There are some pretty damned stupid lawyers out there.

yeah, a shame that GG was turned down for the Zimmerman trial //

44 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:56:25pm

So we’ve gone from: More is coming to If you kill me, more is coming.

My guess is that this deal isn’t exactly working out as they thought it would.

45 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:56:40pm

re: #42 EPR-radar

What decided the gutting of the VRA was Weathervane Kennedy’s susceptibility to stupid Federalism pet tricks disguised as legal arguments.

Roberts’ contribution most likely was this business of killing section 4 (as opposed to section 5) and putting the issue into the hands of a non-functioning Congress.

I see but I’m referencing Roberts question during arguments “Is the South more suspectable to racism than the rest of the country?” I hate admitting it as a southerner but we are. We just are.

46 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:56:50pm

re: #41 A Mom Anon

Christ, they didn’t even wait half a day.

Is there a sane part of the country left?

He’d headed west ‘cause he felt that a change would do him good.
See some old friends, good for the soul.

47 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:57:32pm

re: #44 b.d.

So we’ve gone from: More is coming to If you kill me, more is coming.

My guess is that this deal isn’t exactly working out as they thought it would.

It’s more like “Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can imagine.” As if Snowden’s incarceration or death will make his allegations gain a measure of validity that they don’t otherwise have.

48 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:58:11pm
49 Joanne  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:58:45pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Again Justice Roberts, is your question answered now regarding the South?

By design.

50 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:59:08pm

re: #37 Kragar

A history of cousins marrying cousins?

I tell you, I won’t live in a town that robs men of the right to marry their cousins!

51 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:59:14pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

I see but I’m referencing Roberts question during arguments “Is the South more suspectable to racism than the rest of the country?” I hate admitting it as a southerner but we are. We just are.

I see. I don’t usually give much weight to Justices’ questions during argument —- it is theater more often than not. E.g., Roberts asking a question that has an answer known to all in the room, including himself.

52 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 1:59:54pm

re: #51 EPR-radar

I see. I don’t usually give much weight to Justices’ questions during argument —- it is theater more often than not. E.g., Roberts asking a question that has an answer known to all in the room, including himself.

Ah gotcha.

53 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:00:12pm
54 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:00:15pm

re: #41 A Mom Anon

Christ, they didn’t even wait half a day.

Is there a sane part of the country left?

In case of emergency the two coasts of America can detach from the heartland and rocket jets will boost them upwards at which point they will be grafted onto and join Canada.

55 Higgs Boson's Mate  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:01:00pm

re: #18 Feline Fearless Leader

Spent a year in the Mekong Delta with the Brown Water Navy. During that time not one single incoming round stopped to inquire my gender. Oddly enough, none of those rounds stopped to say “I was fired by a man.”

Even back then I could have given a crap if the person serving next to me was a a man or a woman as long as they did the job. And I damn sure would have appreciated a smart female junior officer to some of the dumb shit males they sent us.

56 Joanne  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:01:04pm

re: #38 Vicious Babushka

Bryan you stupid fuck

57 Joanne  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:01:38pm

re: #41 A Mom Anon

Christ, they didn’t even wait half a day.

Is there a sane part of the country left?

Not so much.

58 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:01:47pm

re: #33 piratedan

and gee, what is the one thing all of these states share? can someone moar intelligent than me connect the dots?

To be fair, this is already baked into the cake. The VRA pre-clearance jurisdictions were mainly (but not exclusively) in the South.

Therefore, when pre-clearance disappears, the new options for improved governance (// dripping) are also mainly but not exclusively in the South.

59 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:02:01pm

re: #51 EPR-radar

I see. I don’t usually give much weight to Justices’ questions during argument —- it is theater more often than not. E.g., Roberts asking a question that has an answer known to all in the room, including himself.

Roberts is there to grant the conservative majority the illusion of sanity by asking questions whose answers are only so obvious, Scalia is there to show us what happens when a Justice stops giving a shit and lets his freak flag fly, Kennedy is there to offer a fig leaf by being a nominal “liberal” who nevertheless is increasingly jump on the anti-federalism bandwagon, and Thomas is just there to occupy a seat.

60 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:02:40pm

re: #56 Joanne

He also says states can ignore Federal laws, so states can ignore a Federal abortion ban, right?

61 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:04:24pm

I’d like to thank the SCOTUS for giving the push the GOP needed to dive headlong into become a whites only party.

62 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:04:57pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

Roberts is there to grant the conservative majority the illusion of sanity by asking questions whose answers are only so obvious, Scalia is there to show us what happens when a Justice stops giving a shit and lets his freak flag fly, Kennedy is there to offer a fig leaf by being a nominal “liberal” who nevertheless is increasingly jump on the anti-federalism bandwagon, and Thomas is just there to occupy a seat.

This list is missing Scalia’s mini-me (Alito).

Roberts also provides a degree of cleverness for the political hackery of this SCOTUS. I’m no historian of the Court, but this court must already be in the five worst, and working diligently to improve its rank.

63 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:05:51pm

A little good music is good for the soul.

Youtube Video

64 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:05:54pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

Roberts also provides a degree of cleverness for the political hackery of this SCOTUS. I’m no historian of the Court, but this court must already be in the five worst, and working diligently to improve its rank.

It’s important to have a goal.
//

65 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:06:10pm

The Greensnow story seems to be running out of gas, judging from my Twitter feed. Probably time for Gleen to make another hyperbolic accusation based on deliberate misinterpretation.

66 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:06:15pm
67 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:07:03pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

The Greensnow story seems to be running out of gas, judging from my Twitter feed. Probably time for Gleen to make another hyperbolic accusation based on deliberate misinterpretation.

Maybe he should approach Issa and ask him to hold some hearings.
/

68 Mike Lamb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:07:10pm

re: #53 darthstar

I really don’t like this argument. Constitutionality isn’t determined by whether something was popular in Congress. Having said that, one would think that the fairly recent re-authorization is some evidence that Congress determined that formula set forth in Section 4 of the VRA remains viable even now.

69 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:07:28pm

re: #56 Joanne

Oh, then you’ll be cool with gay marriage since things must change with the times.

No, because in contrast to man’s laws, God’s Divine Word is unchanging and immutable.

Really, guys…

70 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:08:43pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

The Greensnow story seems to be running out of gas, judging from my Twitter feed. Probably time for Gleen to make another hyperbolic accusation based on deliberate misinterpretation.

At this point, I’m guessing even Snowden’s supporters are having a hard time making excuses for releasing classified information to foreign governments when ones stated goal is revealing to the American people the violations of their rights by the government.

71 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:08:48pm

This also creates another problem for Snowden. Last night it occurred to me that if the Russians or Chinese really wanted to fuck us over they might kill Snowden and the assumption would be the US did it. Snowden increased the chances of this happening because now the Russians (or whoever else) now has extra motivation knowing all the documents will be released if Snowden is killed. I don’t think it will happen but I don’t think Snowden thought this through very well. The Russians, who now have him, have more interest in killing him than we do.

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:09:40pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

At this point, I’m guessing even Snowden’s supporters are having a hard time making excuses for releasing classified information to foreign governments when ones stated goal is revealing to the American people the violations of their rights by the government.

They’ll find a way. We have the US rightwing constantly showing us that there is always a way to defend the undefendable.

73 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:09:55pm

OT: but for those following the story, ABL has FP’ed the ongoing filibuster being waged against that draconian Texas Abortion Bill for those looking for more details. Over at Balloon Juice. I bop back and forth between these two sites because this is where the majority of the sane people seem to be.

74 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:10:24pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

That seems a little extreme.

Think of this like going fishing. Once you’ve hooked the little bugger, it’s a lot more fun to work on reeling him in. Once he’s in the bucket he’s not so much fun anymore.

75 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:12:17pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

I see but I’m referencing Roberts question during arguments “Is the South more suspectable to racism than the rest of the country?” I hate admitting it as a southerner but we are. We just are.

So much of racism and Wingnutism is drive by whether or not there’s anyone telling you it’s okay to think that way. I think everyone has racist thoughts - I know I do, and work assiduously to root them out - but if nobody tells you it’s okay to think that way, it doesn’t really take root.

In places like the South, there are lots of people to tell you it’s okay to think that way. Similarly, with the rise of AM Hate Radio, and the whole Right Wing hate industry, there are lots and lots of folks out there who make a pretty good living in essence telling people it’s not only okay to have thoughts that they really should be ashamed to have, but rather it’s actually GOOD.

It took me a while to realize that the role of Limbaugh et al. is not to convince skeptics that Conservative positions are correct, but rather to make it okay for Conservatives to think and say more and more extreme things.

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:12:37pm

re: #74 freetoken

That seems a little extreme.

Think of this like going fishing. Once you’ve hooked the little bugger, it’s a lot more fun to work on reeling him in. Once he’s in the bucket he’s not so much fun anymore.

Of course if Snowden is a real jackass maybe they will be tempted to just throw him from a car onto the grounds of the US Embassy once they’ve drained him dry.

Though that might be a bad precedent that other potential defectors will notice. Which is also the bad side of killing him - more tempting for future fish to show the nice looking aquarium he ends up in.

77 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:13:34pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

At this point, I’m guessing even Snowden’s supporters are having a hard time making excuses for releasing classified information to foreign governments when ones stated goal is revealing to the American people the violations of their rights by the government.

The Alex Jones crowd have already thought up their own defense: “Anything that makes America look bad must invariably be good.”

78 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:14:06pm

This VRA decision by the Supreme Court has given me a seriously upset stomach. Fuck Roberts and his inner bigot (which surfaced with a vengeance).

79 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:14:45pm

re: #74 freetoken

That seems a little extreme.

Think of this like going fishing. Once you’ve hooked the little bugger, it’s a lot more fun to work on reeling him in. Once he’s in the bucket he’s not so much fun anymore.

It is extreme and unlikely. However, we are talking about Russian intelligence and former KGB folks here. I think it’s likely the idea has been discussed.
More likely is the Russians are pumping him for intel now and they aren’t going to just let him walk away after telling them only stuff he wants to. The Russians are going to get as much out of him as possible before they let him go.

80 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:15:13pm
81 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:15:32pm

re: #76 Feline Fearless Leader

That seems like the most winning scenario for the Russians. They can come out of this looking like a “neutral” party who just tried to do what was right by everybody.

The propaganda value of having Snowden arraigned in court in the US far outweighs his hiding in some flat in Quito.

82 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:16:17pm
“What motivated that leak though was a need to ingratiate himself to the people of Hong Kong and China.”

Hero. Patriot. Whistleblower.

/

83 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:16:32pm

I also suspect that his delayed departure from Russia is because he’s being debriefed. He’ll leave when they’re done with him.

84 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:17:03pm

re: #80 Gus

Emasculated “leadership”.

85 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:17:23pm

The ending of this article is also, uh, somewhat suspect:

“When I was in Hong Kong, I spoke to my partner in Rio via Skype and told him I would send an electronic encrypted copy of the documents,” Greenwald said. “I did not end up doing it. Two days later his laptop was stolen from our house and nothing else was taken. Nothing like that has happened before. I am not saying it’s connected to this, but obviously the possibility exists.”

Glenn Greenwald, super sleuth, targeted by US black ops!

86 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:18:07pm

McCain: We’ll make border with Mexico look like ‘the Berlin Wall’

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said Tuesday that the Senate should include an amendment for increased border security in its new bipartisan immigration reform bill. In video featured by Talking Points Memo, McCain said that the amendment, proposed by Sens. Bob Corker (R-TN) and John Hoeven (R-ND) would make the border between Mexico and the U.S. into “most militarized border since the fall of the Berlin Wall.”

McCain said of the amendment, which passed Monday, to CNN, “I think that, first of all, the legislation concerning beefed up border security removes any validity to the argument that border security is not sufficient. I mean, this is not only sufficient, it is well over sufficient. We’ll be the most militarized border since the fall of the Berlin Wall so that’s why I think this amendment was very important.”

Great choice of words there, John.

87 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:18:32pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I also suspect that his delayed departure from Russia is because he’s being debriefed. He’ll leave when they’re done with him.

Just like HK cut him loose after they seemed to have gotten their fill of the data he’s carrying. No doubt Cuba will also want to “chat” with him when he arrives, followed by the folks in whatever South American country he arrives. If he honestly believes that he’s gonna be hailed as some hero for he rest of his days, he’s dumber than he looks.

88 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:18:50pm

re: #81 freetoken

That seems like the most winning scenario for the Russians. They can come out of this looking like a “neutral” party who just tried to do what was right by everybody.

The propaganda value of having Snowden arraigned in court in the US far outweighs his hiding in some flat in Quito.

If they go that route it would probably be best to tip of the Americans privately and they can pick him up on an unexpected lay over in Columbia or something. That way the Russians have plausible deniability so as to not make future whistle blowers nervous about visiting Russia.

89 Joanne  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:18:55pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

The ending of this article also, uh, somewhat suspect:

Glenn Greenwald, super sleuth, targeted by US black ops!

Well, if GG was disappeared, he could minimize the damage he is doing to himself on Twitter.

90 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:19:19pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I also suspect that his delayed departure from Russia is because he’s being debriefed. He’ll leave when they’re done with him.

“Done with him”…..like this:

“Further, the Russian authorities, perhaps wondering if all of Snowden’s thumb drives had been located, made Snowden undergo “a medical exam” before being taken to his hotel. I imagine the Russians checked cavities Snowden did not know he possessed.”

91 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:19:26pm

re: #25 jamesfirecat

There was also a female Russian sniper with over 300 kills in that war…

Lyudmila Pavlichenko.
I saw a documentary about her a while back, and I think she might have been the basis of a film character, but the title of that escapes me at the moment.

92 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:19:26pm

re: #86 Kragar

Charming.

But since we’re at war with Mexico, it makes perfect sense. //

93 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:19:35pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

The ending of this article also, uh, somewhat suspect:

Glenn Greenwald, super sleuth, targeted by US black ops!

Never before in human history has a laptop been stolen!

Its not like a cyber security team could have just monitored the internet connection and copied the file enroute.

94 Jack Burton  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:19:59pm

re: #86 Kragar

McCain: We’ll make border with Mexico look like ‘the Berlin Wall’

Great choice of words there, John.

“We shall put a curtain through the desert… an Iron Curtain if you will.”

“Umm sir… icks-nay on the ovietsay lockbay tuffsay.”

95 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:20:34pm

re: #12 Kragar

Buchanan: Allowing women in combat roles makes us worse than Nazis

Dear Crazy Uncle Pat,

IIRC, Israel seems to be just fine with women in combat, and they’d know a thing or two about the Nazis.

Get bent you old racist, sexist moron.

Sincerely,
Me

96 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:20:42pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I also suspect that his delayed departure from Russia is because he’s being debriefed. He’ll leave when they’re done with him.

My guess would be that Snowden was as suprised as the reporters that he wasn’t in seat 17A on his way to Cuba . One doesn’t just show up in Putinville and start telling folks how things are going to happen.

97 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:21:08pm

re: #93 Kragar

I bet it was the same people who hacked into Sheryl Atkisson’s computer. /

98 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:21:14pm

re: #93 Kragar

Never before in human history has a laptop been stolen!

Its not like a cyber security team could have just monitored the internet connection and copied the file enroute.

Or just used the opportunity of it being connected to the internet to bust in and grab what they wanted off the HDD. After all, if we’re going to accuse the government of constant spying on us, why not accuse them of having direct access to our computers as well?

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:21:40pm

re: #92 Bulworth

Charming.

But since we’re at war with Mexico, it makes perfect sense. //

Maybe McCain is serious. He plans on getting the wall ready before making the US hellish enough that the liberals will be trying to escape to Mexico like the East Germans were trying to get out in Berlin.
///

100 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:22:25pm
“When I was in Hong Kong, I spoke to my partner in Rio via Skype and told him I would send an electronic encrypted copy of the documents,” Greenwald said. “I did not end up doing it. Two days later his laptop was stolen from our house and nothing else was taken. Nothing like that has happened before. I am not saying it’s connected to this, but obviously the possibility exists.”

Of course, the Agência Brasileira de Inteligência would be completely incurious about what the NSA might be doing.
/

101 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:22:29pm

re: #93 Kragar

Never before in human history has a laptop been stolen!

Its not like a cyber security team could have just monitored the internet connection and copied the file enroute.

And of course, burglaries are very rare in Rio de Janeiro.

/cough

102 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:23:05pm

Why can’t Snowden just be considered a little tin dictator that decided for himself that he had the right to do what he did? Obviously he is a narcissistic libertarian who doesn’t give a fuck about democratic principles in a free country, including representation by election. He has obviously always been in this for himself and will sell himself to the highest bidder, regardless of the views of other people who want those laws changed but don’t want to endanger this country.

I don’t think he gives a good damn about anything but his own ego and notoriety and giving the US a black eye. Fuck him. And fuck Greenwald, his collaborator, if not in fact, in spirit.

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:23:21pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

And of course, burglaries are very rare in Rio de Janeiro.

/cough

Yep. No shortage and demand for consumer electronics in that country, at all.
/

104 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:23:35pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

And of course, burglaries are very rare in Rio de Janeiro.

/cough

Why would anyone steal as something as small, portable, light and expensive as a laptop?

105 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:23:41pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

The ending of this article also, uh, somewhat suspect:

Glenn Greenwald, super sleuth, targeted by US black ops!

So Greenwald mentions someone breaking into his house, going through his stuff and stealing his equipment as just some sort of throwaway line?

I’m calling BS.

106 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:25:20pm

When I was there, a bunch of us musicians went to a beach together. At one point we sat on a very low brick wall to brush the sand off our feet and put shoes on. None of us saw anyone else nearby. But a friend of mine put his camera on the wall when he bent down to put on his sandals, and when he straightened up the camera was gone. An amazing feat of theft.

107 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:25:23pm

re: #105 b.d.

So Greenwald mentions someone breaking into his house, going through his stuff and stealing his equipment as just some sort of throwaway line?

I’m calling BS.

Laying groundwork for claiming some piece of damning information was stolen from him and beyond his control. Or simply playing for sympathy by implying US intell is doing black op stuff to him. Take your pick.

108 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:25:44pm
109 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:26:16pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

It’s not like there’s not a lot of B&Es in Rio, is it? No, Glennzilla has to go full paranoid.

110 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:26:44pm

re: #105 b.d.

He’s just trying to come up with more things to keep the story rolling. GG knows that the time is up for this story, and the only way to keep it in front of people is to come up with new angles.

Once Snowden settles in a single location this story will no longer be on the front page, and will soon be overwhelmed by a thousand others.

111 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:26:54pm

I hope Glenn never loses his keys.

112 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:28:17pm

re: #111 Kragar

I hope Glenn never loses his keys.

He’s already lost his marbles.

113 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:28:20pm

Not a legal whiz, but is it really a good idea to move stolen state secrets around the world? And being a journalist isn’t a Get Out of Jail Free card. Ask Barrett.

114 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:29:00pm

re: #108 darthstar

Did he have a mole on his neck?

115 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:29:16pm

OK. Who is taking up the collection so that a Brazilian teen can be supplied with a small black R/C helicopter and a supply of batteries so that constant overflights of the Greenwald Compound can be kept up?
///

116 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:32:13pm
117 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:33:48pm

re: #115 Feline Fearless Leader

OK. Who is taking up the collection so that a Brazilian teen can be supplied with a small black R/C helicopter and a supply of batteries so that constant overflights of the Greenwald Compound can be kept up?
///

Kickstarter!

118 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:34:05pm

re: #116 Lidane

That law will be rough for a lot of Texas women. It will also hasten the day Texas turns blue.

119 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:34:33pm

re: #116 Lidane

I turned on the live feed at the top of the hour, and there was a guy who looked like Rick Perry’s uncle moaning about the 56 million babies who will never get the opportunity to write to their legislators….

I had to close it.

120 Ming  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:35:35pm

I don’t buy Greenwald’s comment that Snowden gave lots of documents to lots of people, in case “anything happens to him.” Seems pretty clear that those classified documents will already be used to maximum effect, and this will not change, no matter what happens to Snowden.

Snowden may not have wanted it, or planned it this way, but it seems to me that the maximum damage from these documents is already “baked in the cake”, no matter what.

All we can do is try to apprehend him, and also try to not make the damage any worse, e.g. by raising tensions between us and other nations over this.

121 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:37:47pm

re: #120 Ming

I’m not sure I buy Greenwald’s comment that Snowden gave lots of documents to lots of people, in case “anything happens to him.” Seems pretty clear that those classified documents will already be used to maximum effect. How does this have anything to do with “what happens” to Snowden?

Snowden may not have wanted it, or planned it this way, but it seems to me that the maximum damage from these documents has either already been done, or is “baked in the cake” for the near future. What happens to him personally is an entirely separate issue.

It’s like when Assange used the same gimmick, it’s an effort to initiate hesitancy on the government’s part by making it seem like leaving him alone is a better option than having all the documents simultaneously released. But the reality is, like with the Wikileaks example, nothing seems to really be there that’s of any worth to those who aren’t already committed to “The Cause.”

122 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:39:39pm

re: #120 Ming

You can be certain that the Russians and the Chinese have copies of everything Snowden had access to, by now. Snowden’s swimming with sharks.

123 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:39:39pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

I turned on the live feed at the top of the hour, and there was a guy who looked like Rick Perry’s uncle moaning about the 56 million babies who will never get the opportunity to write to their legislators….

I had to close it.

Yeah, the stupid is strong here in Texas. Unfortunately.

I am hoping against hope that the filibuster holds. There’s a special level of hell reserved for the Texas GOP. I just wish the people who keep voting these assholes into office could see that.

124 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:41:16pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

You can be certain that the Russians and the Chinese have copies of everything Snowden had access to, by now. Snowden’s swimming with sharks.

If anything, the whole “I’ve got more stashed away” business seems almost to be an effort to maintain his shelf life by saying “Yeah, I’ve got stuff on me, but there’s other stuff I squirreled away that I’m willing to give you if you don’t immediately give me up.”

125 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:41:35pm

re: #86 Kragar

McCain: We’ll make border with Mexico look like ‘the Berlin Wall’

Great choice of words there, John.

The Berlin Wall divided two very hostile regimes. Crossers were shot on site.

The US and Mexico conduct a billion dollars worth of trade per day* over their border.

One of these things is not like the other.

*Thanks goddamnedfrank!

126 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:43:36pm

Tomorrow no one will be talking about Snowden, if GG can’t pump the grievance story-lines out:

DOMA, Proposition 8 Decisions To Be Handed Down Tomorrow

127 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:44:06pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

The Berlin Wall divided two very hostile regimes. Crossers were shot on site.

The US and Mexico conduct a billion dollars worth of trade over their border.

One of these things is not like the other.

Yeah well McCain doesn’t want to get that. He does because there was a time when he was a sane voice on this issue but ever since Obama made him butthurt by schooling his ass in the 2008 GE, he’s decided to become bitter old senator rather than a responsible voice in a party losing its mind.

128 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:44:07pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

The Berlin Wall divided two very hostile regimes. Crossers were shot on site.

The US and Mexico conduct a billion dollars worth of trade over their border.

One of these things is not like the other.

In John’s scenario, we are East Germany.

129 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:44:50pm

re: #126 freetoken

Tomorrow no one will be talking about Snowden, if GG can’t pump the grievance story-lines out:

DOMA, Proposition 8 Decisions To Be Handed Down Tomorrow

Oh, tomorrow will be fun.

130 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:45:23pm

re: #126 freetoken

Tomorrow no one will be talking about Snowden, if GG can’t pump the grievance story-lines out:

DOMA, Proposition 8 Decisions To Be Handed Down Tomorrow

I’m actually really interested to see that. Hoping Kennedy could be swayed. I think he’ll make the difference one way or the other. I can’t see Alito, Scalia, and Thomas being able to be swayed. Roberts somewhat more than those three but I’d still put those four as likely to definite to uphold DOMA.

131 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:46:01pm

re: #126 freetoken

Tomorrow no one will be talking about Snowden, if GG can’t pump the grievance story-lines out:

DOMA, Proposition 8 Decisions To Be Handed Down Tomorrow

Like I said downstairs, considering the track record of the Roberts Court to date, I full expect tomorrow to see them punt Prop 8 back to the lower court and to make up some bullshit excuse for why DOMA will be allowed to stand so that they don’t have to be seen as “legislating from the bench.”

132 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:46:02pm

re: #128 Kragar

In John’s scenario, we are East Germany.

I guess he’s gotten old and thought Reagan said “Mr. Gorbachev build up this wall.”

133 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:46:08pm
134 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:47:06pm
135 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:47:16pm

re: #126 freetoken

Tomorrow no one will be talking about Snowden, if GG can’t pump the grievance story-lines out:

DOMA, Proposition 8 Decisions To Be Handed Down Tomorrow

Yep. That’s gonna be interesting. Big news day one way or the other. I’m running low on wingnut tears for my evening martinis which I’ll (God willing) soon be enjoying from my 13th floor balcony overlooking a spectacular view of the Carpathians.

136 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:47:36pm

Fischer: Unconstitutional to Recognize Pro-Gay Marriage Supreme Court Ruling

Bryan Fischer is joining his American Family Association colleague Gary Glenn in calling on states to simply ignore any Supreme Court ruling that strikes down bans on same-sex marriage. Fischer even argues that it would be unconstitutional to follow a court decision that favors marriage equality, which he claims would effectively remove “We the people” from the Constitution.

137 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:48:44pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Yeah well McCain doesn’t want to get that. He does because there was a time when he was a sane voice on this issue but ever since Obama made him butthurt by schooling his ass in the 2008 GE, he’s decided to become bitter old senator rather than a responsible voice in a party losing its mind.

He’s especially insane for pushing this as a senator from a border state where there’s already been a fatal friendly-fire incident in which one Border Patrol Agent shot another one dead. And there’s no proof that Brian Terry’s death was not a friendly-fire incident, too.

138 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:48:44pm

re: #136 Kragar

Fischer: Unconstitutional to Recognize Pro-Gay Marriage Supreme Court Ruling

Segregation now and segregation forever in otherwords.

139 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:49:23pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

He’s especially insane for pushing this as a senator from a border state where there’s already been a fatal friendly-fire incident in which one Border Patrol Agent shot another one dead. And there’s no proof that Brian Terry’s death was not a friendly-fire incident, too.

I think he’s retiring in 2016 and just stopped caring about being a decent senator.

140 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:49:26pm

Afternoon Lizardim.

141 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:49:26pm

I’m starting to collect these. Get the whole set!

142 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:49:34pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Segregation now and segregation forever in otherwords.

Fischer’s address from the bath house door.

143 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:49:37pm

re: #136 Kragar

Fischer: Unconstitutional to Recognize Pro-Gay Marriage Supreme Court Ruling

Fischer does realize that “We, The People” are now in the majority supporting the legalization of gay marriage, right?

Oh wait, he means “We, the Christian People,” forgive me for forgetting.

144 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:49:41pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Segregation now and segregation forever in otherwords.

I’m certain Fischer is willing to apply the same logic to the abortion debate.

145 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:50:16pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

And now Mississippi:

Mississippi Moving Ahead With Voter ID, Too

Gotta love my home state. Not only are they obsessed with Voter ID, but come July 1 (That would be Friday) we have this too:

More than 200 officers from across the state are in Biloxi for the annual meeting of the Mississippi Association of Police Chiefs. One of the hot topics for discussion is House Bill Two.

In just two weeks, any adult in Mississippi will be able to carry a gun for all to see.

“We’re not happy with the bill,” said Olive Branch Police Chief Don Gammage, “but at the same time, we have to go now and do what we need to do to make sure our officers understand the bill.”

While there’s a lot of uncertainly over the law, one thing is very clear for D’Iberville Police Chief Wayne Payne.

“I think we’re going to get a lot of calls because people see someone carrying a gun, they’re going to call the police,” Chief Payne said. “They’ve always done that. We’re just going to have to be better trained to respond to those calls.”

Come July 1, one of the major concerns these police chiefs have is training their police officers to handle something they’ve never dealt with before.

I wonder if I should invest in some Kevlar for good measure?

146 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:50:39pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

I’m starting to collect these. Get the whole set!

I’m always afraid a relative will show up.

147 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:50:40pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Fischer’s address from the bath house door.

Ziiiiiiiiiiing.

148 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:50:50pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

Fischer does realize that “We, The People” are now in the majority supporting the legalization of gay marriage, right?

Oh wait, he means “We, the Christian People,” forgive me for forgetting.

I was going to say, that would be “We, the Sheeple”. A completely different concept from “We, the People”, meaning the special privileged Chosen Ones (tm).

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:51:07pm

re: #60 Kragar

He also says states can ignore Federal laws, so states can ignore a Federal abortion ban, right?

And states can ignore DOMA, yes?

150 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:51:07pm

re: #144 Kragar

I’m certain Fischer is willing to apply the same logic to the abortion debate.

Yeah well good luck to him with that. HE needs to find a new hobby rather than telling other people how to live their lives.

151 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:52:21pm
152 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:53:04pm

Bryan Ficher: The man who thinks homosexuality is a choice, but that political and religious beliefs are passed along genetically.

153 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:53:23pm

Cap’n Crunch presser:

Youtube Video

154 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:54:10pm

I am still amazed by all the Twitturds with “Patriot” in their profile, who are cheering for Snowden.

This word you keep saying, it does not mean what you think it means.

155 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:54:58pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

The US and Mexico conduct a billion dollars worth of trade over their border.

More than a billion dollars, per day.

156 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:55:14pm

re: #136 Kragar

Fischer: Unconstitutional to Recognize Pro-Gay Marriage Supreme Court Ruling

Let’s ponder this for a moment:

A prominent member of a group of people who have been working diligently the last few years to get everyone in the country to worship the Constitution and everything it stands for because apparently we’ve forgotten where we came from and have totally gone off the rails is now saying that it’s totally ok to completely ignore said mighty Constitution if it clashes with your beliefs.

(sorry for the long sentence, but the irony of Fischer’s statement should not go unaddressed)

157 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:55:18pm

What, no Juice and no handicapped?

158 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:55:53pm

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

I am still amazed by all the Twitturds with “Patriot” in their profile, who are cheering for Snowden.

This word you keep saying, it does not mean what you think it means.

I’m still somewhat in shock by the so-called “libertarians” who are parroting that inane line about “If Snowden is a traitor, that means the US Government considers the American Public the enemy”. He was/is leaking secrets to the Chinese!

159 Weet  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:55:54pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

At this point, I’m guessing even Snowden’s supporters are having a hard time making excuses for releasing classified information to foreign governments when ones stated goal is revealing to the American people the violations of their rights by the government.

He made it clear that his goal is to hurt the U.S. with this statement:

“If I have time to go through this information, I would like to make it available to journalists in each country to make their own assessment, independent of my bias, as to whether or not the knowledge of US network operations against their people should be published.”
China Newspaper

160 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:56:17pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

More than a billion dollars, per day.

Thank you!

161 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:57:23pm

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

They have a damned odd idea of what a ‘Patriot’ is.

And congratulations on the granddaughter. :)

162 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:58:10pm

re: #158 thedopefishlives

I’m still somewhat in shock by the so-called “libertarians” who are parroting that inane line about “If Snowden is a traitor, that means the US Government considers the American Public the enemy”. He was/is leaking secrets to the Chinese!

Tell me again what U.S. media source Snowden revealed his documents to.

Oh wait, he went to the UK and Chinese media.

163 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:58:37pm

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

What, no Juice and no handicapped?

Congratulations Erick, you found 3 of the 8 minority conservatives in the country. Too bad for you Herman Cain is already employed.

164 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:59:00pm

re: #162 Vicious Babushka

Tell me again what U.S. media source Snowden revealed his documents to.

Oh wait, he went to the UK and Chinese media.

Entertainingly, the libertarians to whom I replied with similar comments ignored me like I didn’t exist.

165 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:59:40pm

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

Hah. Always love this one. “Look! There is a black person near me! Therefore I cannot be a racist! Case closed.”

166 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:59:40pm

re: #158 thedopefishlives

I’m still somewhat in shock by the so-called “libertarians” who are parroting that inane line about “If Snowden is a traitor, that means the US Government considers the American Public the enemy”. He was/is leaking secrets to the Chinese!

I’d just ignore the stupid strawman and point out that he leaked the information to a British newspaper few Americans read. He had an agenda and it wasn’t some noble protection of American citizens’ privacy.

167 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:00:11pm

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

Congratulations Erick, you found 3 of the 8 minority conservatives in the country. Too bad for you Herman Cain is already employed.

He couldn’t find a gay disabled Jew who was also a conservative.

168 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:00:38pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Hah. Always love this one. “Look! There is a black person near me! Therefore I cannot be a racist! Case closed.”

Limbaugh uses that one which is funny since his pal is the idiot who coined the very offensive not ot mention stupid term “feminazi.”

169 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:00:40pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I’d just ignore the stupid strawman and point out that he leaked the information to a British newspaper few Americans read. He had an agenda and it wasn’t some noble protection of American citizens’ privacy.

Fake but Accurate (tm).

170 Weet  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:00:52pm

re: #73 piratedan

OT: but for those following the story, ABL has FP’ed the ongoing filibuster being waged against that draconian Texas Abortion Bill for those looking for more details. Over at Balloon Juice. I bop back and forth between these two sites because this is where the majority of the sane people seem to be.

You can watch it online, too, at texastribune.org

171 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:01:11pm

re: #162 Vicious Babushka

Tell me again what U.S. media source Snowden revealed his documents to.

Oh wait, he went to the UK and Chinese media.

You’re forgetting the Washington Post.

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:01:12pm

re: #74 freetoken

That seems a little extreme.

Think of this like going fishing. Once you’ve hooked the little bugger, it’s a lot more fun to work on reeling him in. Once he’s in the bucket he’s not so much fun anymore.

ahhh… but then the little bugger becomes bait for the bigger bugger…

173 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:01:20pm
174 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:02:13pm

re: #171 goddamnedfrank

You’re forgetting the Washington Post.

But I am remembering Teh Twitters.

175 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:02:29pm

re: #173 wrenchwench

He would know. He lived it. Anyone who doesn’t understand why the VRA was written in the first place should read about John Lewis and his life. The man is a living hero.

176 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:02:36pm


I’ve changed my avatar for the occasion, too:

Image: texaswomen.jpg

177 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:03:27pm

re: #171 goddamnedfrank

You’re forgetting the Washington Post.

But, at least as WaPo tells it, they wanted time to verify the story and check with government sources before agreeing to publish the story. They only rushed to publication when Snowden said he couldn’t wait and that he was taking the story to Greenwald. If he took it to any other papers, they’ve not since commented.

178 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:03:30pm

Angry Paula Deen fans complain on social media…to the wrong company

Smithfield’s Chicken ‘N Bar-B-Q did not fire Paula Deen.

Seriously.

Richard Averitte, operations director for the fast-casual joint wants to make that clear, because, if a plethora of social-media shout-outs are any indication, the customers are still confusing his company, which is based in Smithfield, N.C., with the Smithfield, Va.-based pork producer Smithfield Foods, which just dropped Deen as its spokesperson.

179 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:03:40pm

Had a homeless guy ask me if I had any leftovers from lunch as I was walking to the club. I just held up my coffee cup and said, “Sorry, I’ve just got a little coffee.” I walked about a half-block, decided I could do better than that (as there were three restaurants next to where he stopped me) and went back to buy him lunch…fucker just disappeared. I felt so shitty I didn’t think to offer sooner. What’s $10 going to do to me. Nothing. Oh well…next time I see him I’ll offer - he’s a regular on the block. I just hate the thought of being so hungry you have to ask strangers for their scraps.

180 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:03:58pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Hah. Always love this one. “Look! There is a black person near me! Therefore I cannot be a racist! Case closed.”

You know who else had minority help? Paula Deen.

181 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:04:29pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

You know who else had minority help? Paula Deen.

Hey, the slaveowners had black people LIVING nearby. Obviously they weren’t racist.

182 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:04:37pm
183 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:04:54pm

re: #176 Lidane

I’ve changed my avatar for the occasion, too:

Image: texaswomen.jpg

People like this At one point, the bill’s sponsor, Republican Rep. Jodie Laubenberg of Spring, errantly suggested that emergency room rape kits could be used to terminate pregnancies shouldn’t be on school boards let alone legislating in state legislatures. Thinks rape kits terminate pregancies? Uh no. Got to admire this Senator though. She’s fighting a good fight.

184 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:05:26pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Hah. Always love this one. “Look! There is a black person near me! Therefore I cannot be a racist! Case closed.”

Basically a variation on the classic: “My best friend is black!”

185 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:05:40pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

He must be heartbroken. I was born a white kid in rural Ohio in 1960. We moved to the big city when I was 5. I never went through any of this, and it’s breaking my heart. I imagine a lot of people who lived this are both angry and really sad.

WTF is wrong with this country? Jesus.

186 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:06:13pm

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

Basically a variation on the classic: “My best friend is black!”

There’s also what I call the Lee Atwater- I can’t be racist, I really like the music of black people!

187 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:07:05pm

I may only be 31 but I grew up in Ottawa, Canada and I cannot remember one racist incident I witnessed. I do remember my classes from elementary school to college as being very diverse.

188 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:08:20pm
189 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:08:23pm

re: #185 A Mom Anon

He must be heartbroken. I was born a white kid in rural Ohio in 1960. We moved to the big city when I was 5. I never went through any of this, and it’s breaking my heart. I imagine a lot of people who lived this are both angry and really sad.

WTF is wrong with this country? Jesus.

Yeah I can’t imagine. But yeah I am not used to it either having grown up well post segregation and having classmates of various racial and cultural backgrounds. Roberts and the other conservatives on the court want to act like this stuff was in the distant past and it wasn’t. I was reading about the KKK lynching a black kid in 81 and that just astounded me since it was only six years prior to my birth.

190 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:08:46pm

re: #182 darthstar

191 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:09:29pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

People like this At one point, the bill’s sponsor, Republican Rep. Jodie Laubenberg of Spring, errantly suggested that emergency room rape kits could be used to terminate pregnancies shouldn’t be on school boards let alone legislating in state legislatures. Thinks rape kits terminate pregancies? Uh no. Got to admire this Senator though. She’s fighting a good fight.

Eagle Forum isn’t happy about the filibuster.

Texas Eagle Forum’s Cathie Adams Hurls Nasty Insults at Senator Filibustering Extreme Abortion Bill

Image: Cadams4.jpg

192 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:09:34pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

But, at least as WaPo tells it, they wanted time to verify the story and check with government sources before agreeing to publish the story. They only rushed to publication when Snowden said he couldn’t wait and that he was taking the story to Greenwald. If he took it to any other papers, they’ve not since commented.

Right, I’m just pointing out that he did farm it to at least one domestic paper. This in no way absolves Snowden of any charges, as I’ve stated before what he did is clearly illegal, certainly qualifies as treacherous, and now seems to have veered into outright treason.

193 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:09:59pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

Right, I’m just pointing out that he did farm it to at least one domestic paper. This in no way absolves Snowden of any charges, as I’ve stated before what he did is clearly illegal, certainly qualifies as treacherous, and now seems to have veered into outright treason.

Treason is borderline as we’re not at war with China, but certainly espionage.

194 Kid A  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:10:31pm

Fixed led off with Obama’s climate change speech, and has gone ten minutes and counting…

195 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:10:37pm
196 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:10:45pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

Right, I’m just pointing out that he did farm it to at least one domestic paper. This in no way absolves Snowden of any charges, as I’ve stated before what he did is clearly illegal, certainly qualifies as treacherous, and now seems to have veered into outright treason.

Farming it out to a domestic paper at best gives him the fig leaf of saying he wasn’t totally selling out his country. It’s the difference between espionage and treason at this point.

197 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:11:01pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah. She made me see red the other day when she suggested that rape kits could “clean women out” and prevent pregnancy.

No surprise — Rep. Jodie Laubenberg is the Texas State Chair for ALEC:

house.state.tx.us

198 Kid A  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:11:16pm

re: #195 darthstar

LOL. Brilliant.

199 Higgs Boson's Mate  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:13:35pm

“Ingratiate Himself to Hong Kong and China”

Times have changed. When I was a WESTPAC sailor all you needed to ingratiate yourself in HK was a pocket full of Hong Kong dollars.

200 gunnison  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:14:04pm

re: #193 thedopefishlives

Treason is borderline as we’re not at war with China, but certainly espionage.

No, that’s not right. Treason is not “borderline”, it’s off the legal table totally because we’re not at war with China. Or Russia.
You may not like that, but that’s how it is.

201 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:14:33pm

Erick Erickson and his staff walk into a bar.

The Bartender says: “What is this, some kind of joke?”

202 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:14:43pm

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

My undergrad prof for my Diversity Management class would have failed Erick, Son of Erick for that statement and told him to try again, since that prof made the point from day one that diversity is more than just skin color.

203 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:14:53pm

re: #200 gunnison

No, that’s not right. Treason is not “borderline”, it’s off the legal table totally because we’re not at war with China. Or Russia.
You may not like that, but that’s how it is.

I’m fine with that. As long as we throw the book at him for the stuff he IS guilty of.

204 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:14:54pm

re: #191 Kragar

Eagle Forum isn’t happy about the filibuster.

Texas Eagle Forum’s Cathie Adams Hurls Nasty Insults at Senator Filibustering Extreme Abortion Bill

Image: Cadams4.jpg

What is Cathie Adams five? Whiny Wendy?

205 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:14:57pm

re: #159 Weet

He made it clear that his goal is to hurt the U.S. with this statement:

“If I have time to go through this information, I would like to make it available to journalists in each country to make their own assessment, independent of my bias, as to whether or not the knowledge of US network operations against their people should be published.”

What could possibly go wrong with that?
//

206 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:15:26pm

re: #197 Lidane

Oh yeah. She made me see red the other day when she suggested that rape kits could “clean women out” and prevent pregnancy.

No surprise — Rep. Jodie Laubenberg is the Texas State Chair for ALEC:

house.state.tx.us

Just from simple statistics, there has to be a lot of very smart Republicans in Texas. How do they deal with these people?

207 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:16:07pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Just from simple statistics, there has to be a lot of very smart Republicans in Texas. How do they deal with these people?

Statistically speaking, smart people tend not to be Republicans. ;)

208 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:16:24pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Just from simple statistics, there has to be a lot of very smart Republicans in Texas. How do they deal with these people?

By voting for them blindly then saying “Oh, well we’re not all like that” when you point out the batshit crazy.

209 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:16:38pm

re: #197 Lidane

It should really be illegal for legislators to farm out the writing of laws to lobby groups like ALEC. If you can’t do the damned job, then find another line of work.

I really fucking hate people today. I’d rather hang out with rabid wolverines sometimes, at least they’re honest about what they are.

210 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:16:46pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Just from simple statistics, there has to be a lot of very smart Republicans in Texas. How do they deal with these people?

They pat them indulgently on the head, stick a few dollars in their pockets, and send them back to legislate.

211 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:17:36pm

re: #203 thedopefishlives

I’m fine with that. As long as we throw the book at him for the stuff he IS guilty of.

If a kid from the hood steals four empty laptops, he could do more time than they’ve offered Snowden so far.

212 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:18:09pm

re: #208 Lidane

By voting for them blindly then saying “Oh, well we’re not all like that” when you point out the batshit crazy.

No, I mean the smart ones.

213 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:18:35pm
214 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:18:38pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Just from simple statistics, there has to be a lot of very smart Republicans in Texas. How do they deal with these people?

Probably just accept the low taxes and run with it.

215 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:19:03pm

re: #212 Decatur Deb

No, I mean the smart ones.

Those ARE the smart ones.

The stupid ones just whine about the Kenyan in the White House and about teh ebil gubmint comin’ to take their gunz.

216 gunnison  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:20:45pm

re: #203 thedopefishlives

I’m fine with that. As long as we throw the book at him for the stuff he IS guilty of.

Yeah, OK.
But they ought to think carefully what they charge him with before they catch him, assuming they do catch him.
For now it’s best to stick with simple felony theft, which has no real political baggage attached to it. Espionage and the like just give certain nations a fig-leaf to deny extradition on political grounds.
Problem is, they already allowed their annoyance to color the way they’re trying to deal with this thing, and have already fallen into that trap.

“Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make angry.” - Euripides

217 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:21:27pm

re: #200 gunnison

No, that’s not right. Treason is not “borderline”, it’s off the legal table totally because we’re not at war with China. Or Russia.
You may not like that, but that’s how it is.

Um, no. Treason can consist of levying war against the US, “or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

The question isn’t one of a state of war, but are China and Russia “enemies.” I’d say it’s a stretch to call them enemies per se, but certainly we have adversarial geopolitical interests and a certain state of hostilities has been proven to exist in term of online electronic attacks. The defined conditions by which treason is met aren’t nearly as binary as you describe, if it were the state of suspended hostilities between the US and North Korea governed by the armistice NK just threw out wouldn’t even qualify as “war.”

218 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:24:04pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

Speaking of which, today is “625” in Korea—the day the North came across the line.

219 stabby  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:24:34pm

This makes Snowden sound both desperate and like an idiot.

If he’s saying “if I get killed then Russia will get America’s secrets” then Russia will kill him.

The only people who really care to prevent that information from going out are the Americans and he’s not coming here because we’d put him in jail.

So this helps him, how?

220 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:25:29pm

re: #219 stabby

So this helps him, how?

Because freedom! And transparency!

221 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:26:12pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

The ending of this article also, uh, somewhat suspect:

Glenn Greenwald, super sleuth, targeted by US black ops!

I’m being targeted! I’m a victim!

222 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:26:37pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

Help! Help! I’m being repressed! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

223 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:27:32pm

re: #90 Dr. Matt

“Done with him”…..like this: “Further, the Russian authorities, perhaps wondering if all of Snowden’s thumb drives had been located, made Snowden undergo “a medical exam” before being taken to his hotel. I imagine the Russians checked cavities Snowden did not know he possessed.”

Snowden should have paid attention to Cartman about those alien anal probes…

224 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:27:36pm

re: #219 stabby

Somewhat facetious:

Perhaps US counter-intelligence has already gotten to both Snowflake and Greenwald, with a covert injection of “Stupidly Self-destruct in Public and Discredit the Cause” serum.

225 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:31:33pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snowden should have paid attention to Cartman about those alien anal probes…

“Een Amerrika, Alien gives you anal probe. But in Soviet Former Soviet Russia, we give aliens anal probe!”

226 stabby  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:32:24pm

Meh I’m sure it’s bullshit. The Russians probably intimidated him and he already talked.

227 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:33:01pm
228 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:33:47pm

Would the people acting all dubious really give a shit if Greewald’s laptop was in fact stolen by agents of the US government? It wasn’t inside the US or in Greenwald’s immediate possession, and it’s not like his Brazilian boyfriend living in Brazil has a tangible Fourth Amendment right against extrajudicial search and seizure. Isn’t this exactly the kind of thing we’d want the CIA/NSA to do to suss out the extent of the leak and how much damage has been done? Might appear a little bit harsh but it’s kid gloves compared to the way other governments might operate.

229 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:35:07pm

Good God Snowden, tell people you downloaded secrets pertaining to Area51, the 2nd gunman and WT7, this deal is getting boring otherwise.

230 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:36:14pm
231 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:36:15pm

re: #229 b.d.

Good God Snowden, tell people you downloaded secrets pertaining to Area51, the 2nd gunman and WT7, this deal is getting boring otherwise.

We need to know the truth about John Titor!

//

232 stabby  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:36:15pm

Be careful, he’s armed with misleading powerpoint slides!

233 gunnison  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:36:34pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

The defined conditions by which treason is met aren’t nearly as binary as you describe…

On paper you’re right, but as a practical matter, in the absence of declared war, trying to make a case for treason requires defining China (in this case, and perhaps Russia too) as “Enemies”.

That’s such a political and diplomatic minefield that the charge of treason is not on the table. It’s just not.

234 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:37:05pm


Someone remind me again that the GOP is a party of intellectuals and that they care about people.

Pfft.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:37:32pm

This was expected.

236 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:37:32pm

re: #231 goddamnedfrank

We need to know the truth about John Titor!

//

And who REALLY shot JR!

237 Joanne  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:39:11pm

re: #179 darthstar

I had a guy ask me for money once, said he was hungry. I had some great leftovers from a restaurant and offered them to him. He looked at me like I was from another planet. He didn’t take them. I didn’t feel bad. Another time I saw a guy outside a fast food place taking cups from the garbage cans and drinking from them. I gave him a five and said enjoy a good lunch.

It’s good you feel that way. Let’s hope compassion is contagious. You’ll get him, or someone else, next time.

238 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:39:27pm
239 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:39:35pm

Meanwhile, in today’s Republican God-talk:

Republicans: Obama climate plan is an ‘anti-American’ war on energy

Leading Republicans are decrying as “anti-American” and a “War on American energy” President Obama’s climate change program, even though the president has not yet taken the podium at Georgetown University to unveil its details.

“President Obama’s anti-American energy plan will increase the price of energy and hurt job creation,” tweeted Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minnesota. Bachmann is an outspoken climate change denier who has defended carbon dioxide emissions into the atmosphere.

House Speaker John Boehner has chimed in as a defender of coal plants. The Obama plan reportedly will include telling the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to reduce emissions from coal plants, which are the biggest single source of greenhouse gas releases into the atmosphere.

“Obama administration says we need a ‘War’ on American energy: God thinks energy is the gateway to prosperity,” Boehner tweeted.

[…]

So there: Obama vs. God.

Whose side would you want to be on?

240 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:40:01pm

I admit that I stole Glenn’s boyfriend’s laptop but I am NOT going to tell you what I did to their toothbrushes.

241 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:40:43pm

WEINER SURGE! WEINER SURGE! WEINER SURGE! WEINER SURGE!

242 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:41:17pm

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

The truth that burned up River Tam’s brain.

243 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:42:49pm

Florida Republican leader accuses Obama of lying, treason and siccing IRS on tea party

A high-level Florida Republican Party leader, Peter Feaman of Boynton Beach, used a routine political appearance to deliver an unusually intense denunciation of President Barack Obama.

He asserted that the Obama administration lies, the president commits treason, and the IRS investigations of tea party groups seeking tax exempt status originated in the White House.

“You’re outraged if you’re like me because you love this country,” he said.

It’s so bad, Feaman said, that he can’t talk about Obama in front of his son, a Marine captain, because the president is the younger Feaman’s commander in chief.

“I can’t talk about his commander in chief in front of him. I can’t talk about how I think my personal opinion is how our commander in chief commits treason. I can’t talk in front of him because it’s his commander in chief. And I have to respect that. I can’t talk in front of him about how I think his commander in chief is violating his oath of office regularly in the White House. He took an oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and I see him blowing up the Constitution everywhere he goes,” Feaman said

“And so where does that leave us? It leaves us as Republicans to take a high moral ground once again as the premier party of the United States, the party of freedom. It’s the party of individualism. It’s the party of encouraging people to depend not on government but on who they are as God-given, God-made individuals,” he said.

[…]

244 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:44:26pm

Speaking of polls, the special election for Kerry’s seat is happening today. So expect a few wingnut tears later tonight.

245 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:45:00pm
246 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:50:42pm

Meanwhile, out there in the big sky country:

“Far right” label unfairly applied to John Birch Society

A recent letter to the editor voiced concern over the Republican Party being taken over by the “far right.”

That label has long been used in attempts to attach a stigma to any group or individual that supports less government and more individual responsibility, free enterprise or constitutional government.

As a longtime member of the John Birch Society, I’m offended at being labeled as “far right.” The Society has, since its founding over 50 years ago, promoted adherence to our Constitution. Unfortunately, most of our nationally elected officials who have taken an oath to uphold that document either have not read or fail to understand it. At least the majority of them continue to vote for policies contrary to the role of the limited government therein.

Just look around you. The unprecedented freedom and prosperity we see are a result of that God-inspired work, where government is limited and the individual is free to prosper and have a higher reach. The wealth of a nation is its productivity. Government produces nothing, and our founding fathers had firsthand experience with government run amok. They did their best to provide this nation with checks and balances to keep history from repeating itself and the heavy hand of tyranny once again taking control.

Before you accept at face value a label on an educational organization like the John Birch Society, investigate it yourself. That is very easily done by visiting their website at JBS.org.

Larry Woolston

Olive

So, all you nasty people labeling the JBS as “far right” need to stop, and see the truth.

247 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:51:52pm

re: #246 freetoken

Meanwhile, out there in the big sky country:

“Far right” label unfairly applied to John Birch Society

WTF. The Bircher idiots were considered far right 50 years ago.

248 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:53:11pm

re: #247 Lidane

WTF. The Bircher idiots were considered far right 50 years ago.

In this era of GOP teabaggery, the JBS is probably closer to the GOP mainstream than it has ever been before.

249 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:53:12pm
250 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:53:15pm

re: #246 freetoken

Meanwhile, out there in the big sky country:

“Far right” label unfairly applied to John Birch Society

So, all you nasty people labeling the JBS as “far right” need to stop, and see the truth.

….cant see keyboard. eyerolled too hard….

251 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:53:48pm

re: #246 freetoken

Meanwhile, out there in the big sky country:

“Far right” label unfairly applied to John Birch Society

So, all you nasty people labeling the JBS as “far right” need to stop, and see the truth.

Sadly, there’s some truth to that. They’re nowhere near as far out on the fringe as they used to be. They’re mainstream. And that’s not a good thing.

252 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:54:49pm

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

WELCOME THE NEW ZIONIST OVERLORD!

Congrats! When will you go there or she come here so you can meet in person?

253 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:56:12pm


Ron Paul!

254 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:57:30pm

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

WELCOME THE NEW ZIONIST OVERLORD!

I, for one, welcome our new Zionist Overlord.

Congratulations. :)

255 jayjaybear  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:58:45pm

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

What, no Juice and no handicapped?

It’s like the United Colors of Bennedurp.

256 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:59:18pm
“When I was in Hong Kong, I spoke to my partner in Rio via Skype and told him I would send an electronic encrypted copy of the documents,” Greenwald said. “I did not end up doing it. Two days later his laptop was stolen from our house and nothing else was taken. Nothing like that has happened before. I am not saying it’s connected to this, but obviously the possibility exists.”

Police report or GTFO.

257 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:59:59pm
258 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:04:14pm
259 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:04:57pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

It only matters is (1) it’s in the clear or (2) it’s encrypted and they have the key(s), ¿no?

260 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:05:23pm
261 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:06:24pm

re: #128 Kragar

In John’s scenario, we are East Germany.

same shortsighted shit, Arizona’s #1 International tourism partner, Mexico, #1 Agricultural products trading partner, Mexico, #1 International business trading partner, Mexico. They step back and wonder why the state economy tanked so hard on the heels of the economic meltdown post SB 1070. These anti-science teabaggers have no idea about cause and effect.

262 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:09:14pm
263 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:11:10pm

re: #259 Cap’n Magic

It only matters is (1) it’s in the clear or (2) it’s encrypted and they have the key(s), ¿no?

There’s no such thing as encryption that can’t be broken, and these two governments are quite accomplished at doing so.

264 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:12:07pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, because that will totally make the NSA back off.

What a fucktard.

265 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:12:22pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

There’s no such thing as encryption that can’t be broken, and these two governments are quite accomplished at doing so.

Anyone have any guesses as to what China’s vast botnet farms are really up to? Sending spam ain’t the only thing that scales well.

266 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:13:01pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

There’s no such thing as encryption that can’t be broken, and these two governments are quite accomplished at doing so.

“I renamed the password protected .zip file to .piz, rendering it 100% secure.”

267 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:14:08pm

12345

268 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:14:10pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

There is crypto that would render it in unfeasible to break in any reasonable amount of time. Unless the NSA really does have quantum computers.

269 jayjaybear  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:14:14pm

re: #265 thedopefishlives

Farming WoW gold.

270 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:15:26pm

re: #269 jayjaybear

Farming WoW gold.

Dammit!
I was going to say that….
*Sadface*

271 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:16:16pm

re: #267 Varek Raith

12345

666

272 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:17:32pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

There’s no such thing as encryption that can’t be broken, and these two governments are quite accomplished at doing so.

In theory a secret and truly random one time pad that’s larger than the message should be unassailable. True randomness and keeping it secret are the sticking points.

273 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:18:42pm
274 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:19:06pm

re: #269 jayjaybear

Farming WoW gold.

Alright, I have been owned. I submit.

275 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:21:55pm

The religious right. Still trying to destroy America since 1980.

276 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:24:09pm
277 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:25:02pm

re: #253 NJDhockeyfan

Ron Paul!

Uh that’s what he did Ron. Now enjoy your retirement and leave the rest of us alone.

278 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:28:09pm

I have 2 questions: 1) Who encrypted them? 2) Who has the key?

And does that mean there are others involved in this scheme?

279 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:29:35pm

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

In theory a secret and truly random one time pad that’s larger than the message should be unassailable. True randomness and keeping it secret are the sticking points.

Jan L. A. Van de Snepscheut:

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is.

Just throwin’ that in there because it’s one of my favorite quotations.

280 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:29:53pm

re: #247 Lidane

WTF. The Bircher idiots were considered far right 50 years ago.

based on the legislation currently being offered up by the GOP, they sure sound pretty mainstream now.

281 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:30:12pm

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

I have 2 questions: 1) Who encrypted them? 2) Who has the key?

And does that mean there are others involved in this scheme?

I’m sure Snowden will be able to hold out and not divulge the password to Russian intelligence.
///

282 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:31:15pm

re: #281 Kragar

I’m sure Snowden will be able to hold out and not divulge the password to Russian intelligence.
///

Blast, foiled by encryption!

283 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:31:45pm

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

I have 2 questions: 1) Who encrypted them? 2) Who has the key?

And does that mean there are others involved in this scheme?

1) The gatekeeper
2) The key master

284 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:35:43pm

re: #282 thedopefishlives

Robert Durant: Now, let’s consider my points, one by one. One. I try not to let my anger get the better of me.

[Durant cuts off one of Black’s fingers. Black starts to sweat]

Robert Durant: Two. I don’t always succeed.

[Durant cuts off another of Black’s fingers]

Robert Durant: Three. I’ve got seven more points.

[Durant cuts off Black’s third finger. Black screams]

285 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:37:36pm
286 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:38:19pm

How obnoxious is Ben Shapiro?

287 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:38:40pm

re: #281 Kragar

{Chuckle}

288 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:40:23pm

re: #286 Vicious Babushka

Dear Ben,

The debate’s been over for a long time, cupcake. If you bothered to read a science book that didn’t call The Flintstones a documentary, you’d know that.

Sincerely,
Me

289 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:40:24pm

An interesting possibility….

Deputy parliament speaker Vladimir Zhirinovsky has proposed Snowden be exchanged for Viktor Bout, a Russian arms dealer whose jailing in the United States angered Moscow. The United States has refused Russian requests for his repatriation.

Korolkov, and the security service source who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Russia would follow a common international practice in using Snowden in negotiations over Bout. “This is how it is done in the world. It would be in the government’s advantage not to give Snowden back,” Korolkov said.

The source said: “Russia has some negotiating advantage here.”

290 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:41:12pm

re: #286 Vicious Babushka

How obnoxious is Ben Shapiro?

Yeah, funny thing about that. In Science we don’t do debates. That’s more for Social Studies.

291 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:41:56pm

re: #273 Gus

#StandWithWendy

During a filibuster, a senator is limited to topics relevant to the bill being discussed and cannot eat, drink or use the restroom during the speech. The rules also prohibit sitting or leaning on a desk or chair under any circumstances when the senator has the floor and is speaking on the bill or resolution.

292 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:42:22pm
293 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:42:32pm

re: #286 Vicious Babushka

anyone wanna sell Ben some beachfront property in Miami?

294 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:42:55pm

re: #283 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

1) The gatekeeper
2) The key master

OK, which one of you is responsible for Greenwald being invoked as a forty-foot tall marshmallow man? C’mon, out with it!

295 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:43:03pm

re: #290 GeneJockey

Related:

Image: good-thing-about-science.jpg

296 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:43:13pm

WTF

297 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:44:14pm
298 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:44:28pm

re: #293 piratedan

Already under water?

299 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:44:46pm

re: #296 Vicious Babushka

The Texas GOP will use every bit of nitpicky bullshit to shut down debate.

They have their own special level of hell waiting for them.

300 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:44:54pm
301 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:45:17pm

re: #290 GeneJockey

Yeah, funny thing about that. In Science we don’t do debates. That’s more for Social Studies.

Well, you do publish papers that are critiqued by other scientists. That back and forth, if there is any, can be considered a ‘debate’ of sorts, can it not?

302 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:45:22pm

re: #286 Vicious Babushka

How obnoxious is Ben Shapiro?

Yep, because that’s the denier’s line. No, not kidding. I’ve got an acquaintance who told me with straight face that the debate is over, that ‘climate scientist’ is becoming an oxymoron, that anyone who is a scientist and does not have money in the fight knows that climate change is a scam.

He’s bright and well educated, but holds this position.

303 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:46:32pm

re: #298 Justanotherhuman

summer is coming and long term, not an investment I’d care to make.

304 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:47:01pm

re: #292 Vicious Babushka

Let me know if the filibuster keeps going.

If it does, I will send something.

305 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:47:22pm
306 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:48:08pm

re: #295 Lidane

307 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:48:15pm
308 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:49:48pm

re: #307 Lidane

Sorry bastards.

309 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:50:33pm

Greenwald’s holding my interest now about as much as Pamela Geller.

310 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:51:19pm

re: #268 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

There is crypto that would render it in unfeasible to break in any reasonable amount of time. Unless the NSA really does have quantum computers.

Would you like to bet 1 country on that??

311 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:51:24pm
312 darthstar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:52:21pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

How many people in Hong Kong even know who Snowden is?

313 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:53:25pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

There’s no doubt that they can be attacked by various methods-the question the becomes will it be worth their time to do so? Everyday that passes makes this data less and less valuable-assuming the US knows what exactly Snowden made off with (and if they don’t-what does that tell you about the auditing/controls in place at the NSA, and in Congressional oversight? The NSA and Congressional cries of “Trust Us” has now been defenestrated.)

And lets not forget that one can use multiple layers of encryption (a la TrueCrypt) and/or use separate keys on each document.

314 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:54:19pm

re: #301 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Well, you do publish papers that are critiqued by other scientists. That back and forth, if there is any, can be considered a ‘debate’ of sorts, can it not?

If you stretch the term ‘debate’ enough. Debates are about making the most convincing argument. Science is about trying to explain things, then trying as hard as you possibly can to prove yourself wrong, then asking everyone else to try and prove you wrong.

315 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:55:21pm

what’s all this i hear about a fetusbuster tonite?

316 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:55:24pm
317 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:55:39pm
318 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:56:23pm

re: #303 piratedan

summer is coming and long term, not an investment I’d care to make.

winter is coming

319 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:57:30pm

re: #318 engineer cat

yeah but Ben Shapiro is no Ned Stark, although his tweets might improve if he was in deed headless

320 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:57:32pm

re: #318 engineer cat

winter is coming

Good Skyrim mod.

321 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:57:35pm

re: #318 engineer cat

winter is coming

“Winter is icummen in,
Lhude sing Goddamm,”

322 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:59:17pm

re: #319 piratedan

yeah but Ben Shapiro is no Ned Stark, although his tweets might improve if he was in deed headless

So, a small number of monkeys on a small number of smart phones could replicate all the tweets of Ben Shapiro in a small amount of time?

323 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 4:59:49pm
Glenn Greenwald is out there spreading paranoia about the US government again, telling the Daily Beast’s Eli Lake that Edward Snowden has distributed archives of his stolen documents to “many different people,” just in case “anything happens” to him.

Given Mr. Snowden’s situation, I can’t say I blame him for taking out a little insurance.

However it’s one thing to quietly inform the owners of your stolen secrets that if they start dicking with you, your friends will run their panties up the flag pole — a survival necessity perhaps, but, as Kaspar Gutman notes in The Maltese Falcon, a situation that calls for the most delicate judgment on both sides.

‘Cause as you know, sir, in the heat of action men are likely to forget where their best interests lie and let their emotions carry them away.

But the world is also full of people who would be delighted to see that ship come in to port, so to speak. Thrilled to death to see this situation to go wildly tits up, which is why it is an altogether different and jaw-droppingly stupid thing to loudly announce via the world press that if any country or faction or war lord or cartel kingpin or terrorist organization or highly-motivated anti-gummint nutjob on Earth wants the see United States humiliated and its most intimate secrets splashed all over the media, all they have to do is kill one guy.

324 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:00:14pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

So Snowden was all about “popularity” after all?

325 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:00:35pm

re: #322 GeneJockey

they could very well be more informed…..about the same amount of poo being flung tho… //

326 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:02:03pm

re: #324 Justanotherhuman

he was over at Memebase and somehow determined that it’s hipster to betray your country //

327 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:02:08pm
328 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:03:55pm

re: #325 piratedan

they could very well be more informed…..about the same amount of poo being flung tho… //

So, without the smartphones, they could replicate them on the wall of the monkey house?

329 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:03:55pm

re: #326 piratedan

he was over at Memebase and somehow determined that it’s hipster to betray your country //

i hear frank zappa had a posthumous daughter named memebase tweet

330 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:04:50pm

re: #326 piratedan

Popularity: 200 people in a city of over 7M?

331 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:07:06pm

re: #328 GeneJockey

So, without the smartphones, they could replicate them on the wall of the monkey house?

well I understand that it’s all part of the supersecret encryption process //

332 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:07:41pm

re: #331 piratedan

well I understand that it’s all part of the supersecret encryption process //

Eeeeewww.

333 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:08:32pm

re: #330 Justanotherhuman

Popularity: 200 people in a city of over 7M?

yeah, but it comes with the nifty entourage! //

334 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:09:52pm

The straw men are marching again…

335 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:10:56pm

re: #331 piratedan

well I understand that it’s all part of the supersecret encryption process //

the dna in the monkey jzz provides the public key?

336 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:11:27pm

Pretty sure that not a single person ever has suggested that Edward Snowden agrees with “all the laws and practices” of China or Russia. Sheesh. Way to deliberately miss the point.

337 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:11:56pm
338 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:14:57pm

The Guardian still doesn’t get it.

Edward Snowden: history will be kind to him

Daniel Ellsberg, the leaker of the Pentagon Papers 40 years ago, was smeared and denounced at the time

guardian.co.uk

339 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:15:07pm

re: #334 Charles Johnson

The straw men are marching again…

it’s the irony, trev, not hypocrisy

340 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:15:51pm

re: #334 Charles Johnson

The straw men are marching again…

Needs a fuller beard and a Keffiyeh scarf.

341 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:16:58pm

re: #340 Gus

Needs a fuller beard and a Keffiyeh scarf.

Gots a problem with mah beard?!?!

342 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:16:59pm

re: #336 Charles Johnson

Pretty sure that not a single person ever has suggested that Edward Snowden agrees with “all the laws and practices” of China or Russia. Sheesh. Way to deliberately miss the point.

Also. He’s not “just going to China.” Yeesh. Are people really this stupid?

343 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:17:45pm
344 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:18:08pm

re: #337 Lidane

If she could figure it out without someone telling her, she’d have twattered some crap about Snowden, too. She prefers to bash the President.

That. Woman. Is. An. Idiot.

345 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:18:12pm

re: #182 darthstar

I can’t even laugh. Shit just isn’t funny today. And I hope that fucking Uncle Tom motherfucker Clarence Thomas gets dick cancer and dies. Every black person with a living memory of pre-VRA America should spit in his face.

346 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:19:01pm

re: #334 Charles Johnson

We can tell by his time in America that isn’t true:

Snowden goes to a particular country, he automatically agrees with all their laws and practices.

347 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:19:14pm

re: #337 Lidane

I love David Plouffe, but after today he might be wrong about the equality rising part.

348 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:19:55pm

Oh no, it’s the Mad Jewess.

349 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:19:59pm

re: #336 Charles Johnson

Yeah, he’s purposefully misdirecting on how and why Snowden’s now making the choices he’s making about where to flee (next):


It is indeed curious and relevant to Snowden’s frame of mind as to where and how he’s chosen to act since announcing that he’s gotten all this NSA information and leaking NSA data. From China to Russia and potentially on to Ecuador or other locations, he’s seeking out places that not only have poor relations with the US, but which would take an active interest in the data Snowden claims to have.

But there’s something nagging me. The NSA should know by now exactly what Snowden’s got. Maybe they want to use Snowden to lay traps for others (and I’m spitballing here)? See who’s gotten the data (and maybe some is bum data - a Canary Trap to track down leaks - a mole hunt that’s gone public).

Snowden indeed broke the law, but the NSA will now use this to plug this and other leaks.

And Congress and the intel community should use this as Lesson 1 as a means to eliminating the outsourcing of intel activities to non Agency personnel. Bring the clearance process back in-house. And begin bringing the outsourced activities back in-house too.

350 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:20:56pm

re: #300 wrenchwench

Pro-life Texas-style, bitches. Ugh this is my home state. I just can’t today. I just can’t even.

351 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:22:19pm
352 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:23:35pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

Communists still exist?

I mean, yeah. The Chinese are nominally communist but they’re no strangers to capitalism and trade, either.

353 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:24:02pm

re: #345 moderatelyradicalliberal

I can’t even laugh. Shit just isn’t funny today. And I hope that fucking Uncle Tom motherfucker Clarence Thomas gets dick cancer and dies. Every black person with a living memory of pre-VRA America should spit in his face.

There is no day on which this is cool.

355 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:25:24pm

re: #351 Lidane

356 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:26:02pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

Oh no, it’s the Mad Jewess.

Is she saying you’re in league with Communists because you’re bashing a guy who’s carrying state secrets to one Communist and one former Communist country, possibly stopping by a third Communist country?

Do these people even think?

357 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:26:14pm

re: #355 Gus

He seems nice.

358 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:26:56pm

re: #350 moderatelyradicalliberal

Pro-life Texas-style, bitches. Ugh this is my home state. I just can’t today. I just can’t even.

{{{{{moderatelyradicalliberal}}}}}

359 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:27:47pm

re: #353 bratwurst

There is no day on which this is cool.

You don’t get to tell me what or how to feel. I don’t care what you think is cool. Go tell my parents and grandparents it’s not cool because they feel the same way.

360 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:27:51pm

re: #345 moderatelyradicalliberal

I can’t even laugh. Shit just isn’t funny today. And I hope that fucking Uncle Tom motherfucker Clarence Thomas gets dick cancer and dies. Every black person with a living memory of pre-VRA America should spit in his face.

Would you settle for near-terminal blueballs?

361 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:28:26pm

re: #356 GeneJockey

Is she saying you’re in league with Communists because you’re bashing a guy who’s carrying state secrets to one Communist and one former Communist country, possibly stopping by a third Communist country?

Do these people even think?

what is that last word you’re using there? i vaguely remember hearing it once…

362 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:28:43pm

re: #360 Decatur Deb

Would you settle for near-terminal blueballs?

OK. That got a chuckle.

363 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:29:26pm

re: #358 wrenchwench

{{{{{moderatelyradicalliberal}}}}}

I’m taking a trip to London next year. I know that no place is perfect, but I might be tempted to stay.

364 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:30:18pm

Gomez seems to be doing surpringly well in the mass special election do you think we’ll see another Scott Brown?

365 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:30:22pm

re: #350 moderatelyradicalliberal

Pro-life Texas-style, bitches. Ugh this is my home state. I just can’t today. I just can’t even.

Yep. The politics have been more disgusting than usual lately.

366 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:30:47pm

if there ever were any real communists, they’re either long dead or slinging lattes

367 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:30:58pm

re: #352 Lidane

Communists still exist?

I mean, yeah. The Chinese are nominally communist but they’re no strangers to capitalism and trade, either.

From wha I understand the Chinese are more simply autocratic/despotic than anything as fany as being communist or socialist..l

368 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:31:09pm

re: #359 moderatelyradicalliberal

You don’t get to tell me what or how to feel. I don’t care what you think is cool. Go tell my parents and grandparents it’s not cool because they feel the same way.

And you don’t get to be the boss of “Every black person with a living memory of pre-VRA America”. Get over yourself. Feeling is one thing, wishing cancer or someone is something else.

369 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:33:40pm

re: #357 Charles Johnson

He seems nice.

Image: 420d14df415d573687c300d1e2ac0784.jpeg

370 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:34:09pm

re: #369 Gus

Image: 420d14df415d573687c300d1e2ac0784.jpeg

Is that an orange jumpsuit?

371 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:34:54pm

re: #370 GeneJockey

My thought, too.

372 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:35:13pm

re: #361 engineer cat

what is that last word you’re using there? i vaguely remember hearing it once…

IIRC, I told someone here that if you think they think you’re overthinking.

I should pay attention to my own witticisms.

373 prairiefire  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:35:35pm

re: #363 moderatelyradicalliberal

I’m taking a trip to London next year. I know that no place is perfect, but I might be tempted to stay.

It’s a great place if you’ve got the money for it.

374 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:36:45pm

re: #368 bratwurst

And you don’t get to be the boss of “Every black person with a living memory of pre-VRA America”. Get over yourself.

I didn’t say I was. In my opinion Clarence Thomas spit on those people and what they fought for and he deserves the same in kind. Fuck him. I don’t have to hold back my feelings because it may cause offense. And I am sure that my black ass will get over all of the voter suppression laws directed at me in the great state of Texas soon enough. I’m also sure I’ll get over the motherfuckers regulating my womb too. I only have about decade of fertility left anyway.

Fuck you if you think I need to get over it. I don’t have to get over shit. I can be ass pissed as I want over people screwing with my civil rights as I want. But thanks for your concern.

375 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:36:57pm

re: #369 Gus

Image: 420d14df415d573687c300d1e2ac0784.jpeg

Full Metal Jacket. Bathroom scene.

376 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:37:01pm

re: #373 prairiefire

It’s a great place if you’ve got the money for it.

wot’s thet? it’s a great place if you’ve got the monkey for it?

377 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:37:29pm

re: #363 moderatelyradicalliberal

I’m taking a trip to London next year. I know that no place is perfect, but I might be tempted to stay.

Go to the Bovington Tank Measuem, if that kind of thing is what you are into there is no better way to spend a day…

378 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:37:55pm

re: #373 prairiefire

It’s a great place if you’ve got the money for it.

Are you kidding. I’m going to find a lonely elderly widow and marry him. ;)

379 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:39:02pm

re: #377 jamesfirecat

Go to the Bovington Tank Measuem, if that kind of thing is what you are into there is no better way to spend a day…

I need tips on cool places that tourists aren’t normally directed to. I will be there for 10 days.

380 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:39:21pm

re: #374 moderatelyradicalliberal

Fuck you if you think I need to get over it. I don’t have to get over shit. I can be ass pissed as I want over people screwing with my civil rights as I want. But thanks for your concern.

Express your righteous anger if it makes you feel better. I absolutely disagree with the decision myself, but wishing cancer on someone doesn’t accomplish anything. There are LOTS of place online where you can do that and nobody will blink an eye. One of the reasons I like coming here is because it is not normally such a place.

381 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:40:42pm
382 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:41:03pm

Smug dumbassery.

383 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:41:48pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

Of course she’s wrong-you’re just a tool for the statists and have failed to clearly state your objections as to what the NSA is/isn’t doing that has you projecting on Greenwald/Snowden.

I leave you with Ken White:

I don’t find any published cases articulating the elements of Section 798(a)(3). Based on the plain language of the statute, it seems to require the government to prove that the defendant (1) knowingly and willfully [that is, not accidentally] (2) communicated or made available to an unauthorized person, (3) in any manner prejudicial to the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States, (4) classified information concerning communication intelligence activities of the U.S. or any foreign government. (Some might disagree that element (3) modifies all the possible ways to violate the statute.)

Note that the second and third charges both require the feds to prove that Snowden’s release of information to the press was harmful to the United States. This puts our government in the position of attempting to prove that it is harmful to release accurate information about how it is spying on us, and how it is misleading us about spying on us.

Espionage charges usually describe someone with classified information leaking that information to powers hostile to the United States government.

We, the people, are those hostile powers.

Are you so willing to roll over what our government says 100% of the time, especially given our track record of regime change and lying to Congress? Or are the ‘interests of the United States’ beyond reproach?

384 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:42:40pm

It’s tragicomic watching MSNBC claim that Snowden’s case is undermining the US reputation around the world - and the accompanying photo on the front page of NBC News is from an unsourced/unidentified photo of protest in Hong Kong China complaining about US human rights (when China has no problem disappearing those who question the Chinese government, and restricts access to all kinds of information, including Tienanmen Square). The irony is real think there - allowing folks to protest against the US is real easy for China and Hong Kong, but it takes real courage to stand against the Chinese regime that actually and regularly restricts human and civil rights on a daily basis.

385 b.d.  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:44:33pm

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

Edward Snowden’s Current Options

•Flee to a nation with widespread public hostility to the U.S., such as the U.S.

386 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:45:41pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

Oh no, it’s the Mad Jewess.

She is no match for the Vicious Babushka

Now with MOAR EINIKLACH!!1

387 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:46:25pm

re: #382 jaunte

Smug dumbassery.

Spoken like a true mansplainer.

The day that douchebag can get pregnant is the day I give a shit about his opinions on abortion.

388 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:46:26pm

re: #380 bratwurst

Express your righteous anger if it makes you feel better. I absolutely disagree with the decision myself, but wishing cancer on someone doesn’t accomplish anything. There are LOTS of place online where you can do that and nobody will blink an eye. One of the reasons I like coming here is because it is not normally such a place.

Look. These people are engaging an scorched earth policy against every good thing to expand equality in America and they are not letting up. You wanna play nice and be polite and not wish anything bad on anyone (as if that actually causes bad things to happen) go ahead. We play nice with these people and we get our asses kicked because they hate us. THEY. HATE. US.

Now maybe you aren’t directly affected by this crap but I am. So right now in the immediate aftermath I can’t help the bad thoughts, OK? And since I have no doubt in my mind that these people have great ill will for me and I am done feeling bad about it.

389 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:46:53pm

Hey, can we embed tumblr posts on here?

Someone watching the Livestream of the Texas Filibuster made an amazing comment.

390 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:49:08pm

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

Edward Snowden’s current options

“Hide in a boat in somebody’s backyard.”

391 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:49:16pm

re: #380 bratwurst

Unfortunately, the right to be offended by moderatelyradicalliberal is protected by the 1st Amendment.

(Of course, since this is Charles’ little ‘ol sandbox, he’s free to wield the banhammer at anytime.)

392 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:50:20pm
393 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:51:41pm
394 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:52:00pm

re: #392 Lidane

What? So the little sluts can fornicate without consequence?

395 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:52:10pm

re: #391 Cap’n Magic

Unfortunately, the right to be offended by moderatelyradicalliberal is protected by the 1st Amendment.

This 1st Amendment only applies to the government…but otherwise, great point.

Image: rolleyes.png

396 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:53:59pm

re: #394 moderatelyradicalliberal

What? So the little sluts can fornicate without consequence?

as th’ bible says, ‘be fruitful, and bring me a beer’

397 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:53:59pm

re: #391 Cap’n Magic

As has been frequently pointed out - LGF isn’t the government or a state actor. The government can’t squelch her right to be heard and be angry about what Texas is doing, what the Supreme Court has done, or anything else.

But that’s government action. A private person is not under any such requirement. And Charles could delete the post and quoted posts by right because of what she did say.

398 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:54:37pm

Fuck! The bastards got her.

They shut down Wendy on point of rules.

399 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:55:23pm

Sorry—wrong, not yet, but they’re trying like hell.

400 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:55:46pm

re: #398 Justanotherhuman

Fuck! The bastards got her.

They shut down Wendy on point of rules.

Damn!

She’s still getting a campaign donation from me and I’m in another district.

401 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:56:37pm

re: #396 engineer cat

as th’ bible says, ‘be fruitful, and bring me a beer’

I thought is was “bring me a sammich”.

402 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:56:42pm

Heh.

403 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:57:23pm

re: #398 Justanotherhuman

Fuck! The bastards got her.

They shut down Wendy on point of rules.

Scared me for a second there.

404 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:57:54pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

Listening to her right now. Very proud of her effort. Texas doesn’t deserve her. Hope the women of Texas think twice before voting for Republicans next time around.

405 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:57:59pm

re: #395 bratwurst

re: #397 lawhawk

Yer both right (if ya didn’t notice my parentetical.) At the same time, indiscriminate wielding of the banhammer would be quickly recognized and then things here would become more of a mutual admiration society-not exactly bad, but not exactly good, either.

406 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:58:51pm

re: #400 moderatelyradicalliberal

She’s still going, but needs to be careful she doesn’t put her arm or any part of her body on anything stationary. That’s how they’re trying to catch her.

407 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:59:32pm

re: #404 Patricia Kayden

Listening to her right now. Very proud of her effort. Texas doesn’t deserve her. Hope the women of Texas think twice before voting for Republicans next time around.

I am afraid that most of the women who bother to vote in Texas agree with them. They want to punish the sluts too.

408 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:59:36pm

Mmm-hmm.

409 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:00:11pm

re: #405 Cap’n Magic

re: #397 lawhawk

Yer both right. At the same time, indiscriminate wielding of the banhammer would be quickly recognized and then things would become more of a mutual admiration society-not exactly bad, but not exactly good, either.

Olsen Johnson is right!

410 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:00:17pm

re: #406 Justanotherhuman

She’s still going, but needs to be careful she doesn’t put her arm or any part of her body on anything stationary. That’s how they’re trying to catch her.

Good. Thanks.

411 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:00:25pm

re: #401 moderatelyradicalliberal

All the while they’re lying on the couch. : )

412 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:01:11pm

re: #411 Justanotherhuman

All the while they’re lying on the couch. : )

Scratching themselves.

413 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:01:41pm

Eat a bag of Breitbarts, Twit

414 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:01:46pm

Been a long time since somebody performed the drawn out flounce dance.

Later, lizards.

415 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:02:13pm

re: #345 moderatelyradicalliberal

I can’t even laugh. Shit just isn’t funny today. And I hope that fucking Uncle Tom motherfucker Clarence Thomas gets dick cancer and dies. Every black person with a living memory of pre-VRA America should spit in his face.

While I don’t wish him cancer, he’s definitely a vile person. He seems to go out of his way to poke Black people in the eye with his opinions. Like he wants to make it very clear to us that he cannot stand us (and by extension himself). Funny that when I visited the S Court, I couldn’t see him because he sat so far back from the bench and he didn’t ask a single question. Cannot stand him.

416 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:02:14pm

re: #406 Justanotherhuman

She’s still going, but needs to be careful she doesn’t put her arm or any part of her body on anything stationary. That’s how they’re trying to catch her.

it would be good discipline if Sen Reid played US Senate filibusters this way.

417 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:02:20pm

The season’s new fragrance: Passîve Aggressïve.

418 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:03:30pm

re: #405 Cap’n Magic

No one’s calling for the ban hammer - deleted posts don’t always result in a banning. Stinky and the monitor lizards can delete individual posts, but Charles can always either reverse the call, or ban the person. His blog - his rules after all.

419 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:03:48pm

re: #412 moderatelyradicalliberal

Scratching themselves.

and belching…

420 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:03:53pm

re: #415 Patricia Kayden

While I don’t wish him cancer, he’s definitely a vile person. He seems to go out of his way to poke Black people in the eye with his opinions. Like he wants to make it very clear to us that he cannot stand us (and by extension himself). Funny that when I visited the S Court, I couldn’t see him because he sat so far back from the bench and he didn’t ask a single question. Cannot stand him.

My dad said if you held a mirror to his face and forced him to look straight at his own reflection for 10 minutes he would break down and cry. His self-hatred is appalling.

421 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:04:19pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

and belching…

And farting.

422 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:04:23pm

re: #416 Decatur Deb

it would be good discipline if Sen Reid played US Senate filibusters this way.

Yes, why doesn’t he? That would force the Republicans to actually get up off their butts and do more than obstruct every dang thing Democrats try to do in the Senate.

423 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:04:50pm

re: #415 Patricia Kayden

I’ll bet his RWNJ wife, Ginny, wears a strap-on just for these special occasions.

424 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:05:41pm

Why do I have the feeling I’m seeing a new stalker being born?

I could be wrong, of course.

425 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:06:12pm

re: #422 Patricia Kayden

Yes, why doesn’t he? That would force the Republicans to actually get up off their butts and do more than obstruct every dang thing Democrats try to do in the Senate.

Because turn around is fair play. The Senate has become lifetime employment and most Senators have been there long enough to have been in the majority and the minority so they are careful about rule changes.

426 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:06:33pm

Back Brace: Great for Filibusters!

Sorry, I am seeing some good humor out of wise-asses on the good side.

427 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:06:33pm

re: #421 moderatelyradicalliberal

And farting.

and blaming it on the dog…

428 Mattand  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:07:05pm

re: #380 bratwurst

re: #388 moderatelyradicalliberal

I personally wouldn’t wish cancer anyone. But given how the GOP and the right wing of the Supreme Court view minorities and women, I can’t blame anyone for feeling that way.

At this point, voting Republican is no different than spitting at every minority and woman who crosses your path.

429 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:07:13pm

re: #425 moderatelyradicalliberal

Because turn around is fair play. The Senate has become lifetime employment and most Senators have been there long enough to have been in the majority and the minority so they are careful about rule changes.

How fucking genteel of them. It’s not like anything is at stake.

430 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:07:37pm

re: #427 Backwoods_Sleuth

and blaming it on the dog…

But you know it isn’t true because it’s so bad the dog runs out of the room.

431 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:08:52pm

re: #424 Charles Johnson

Pride goeth before the fall, Charles. Feeling that you may have a new stalker is not proof.

432 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:09:01pm

re: #428 Mattand

re: #388 moderatelyradicalliberal

I personally wouldn’t wish cancer anyone. But given how the GOP and the right wing of the Supreme Court view minorities and women, I can’t blame anyone for feeling that way.

At this point, voting Republican is no different than spitting at every minority and woman who crosses your path.

I will probably feel bad that I did tomorrow, but not today.

433 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:09:02pm

re: #427 Backwoods_Sleuth

and blaming it on the dog…

My dog used to blame it on me.

434 stabby  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:09:10pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

There’s no such thing as encryption that can’t be broken, and these two governments are quite accomplished at doing so.

Has anyone point out that every bit longer you make a key doubles the time it takes to break it?

Assuming that you can get enough actual entropy into a long key, it sure can be unbreakable.

435 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:09:24pm

re: #430 moderatelyradicalliberal

But you know it isn’t true because it’s so bad the dog runs out of the room.

Not a valid indicator. I had a dog who drove herself from the room. In fact she left first. We should have taken it as a warning….

436 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:09:36pm

That feeling isn’t going away.

437 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:11:24pm


Oy. The Texas bill would eliminate clinic access across most of the state - and add the efforts in neighboring states, and someone in parts of the state might have to travel hundreds of miles to find a clinic.

Consider that when you think back to if you’ve ever tried to find a local doctor in your neighborhood when you’re sick (and haven’t had a doctor before) Better yet, think back on trying to find a specialist that is near your home and with a schedule that you can deal with. Know how hard that is? Now imagine how tough these folks are making it on women seeking access to abortions.

They’re going to force women to travel hundreds of miles to get an abortion - and they figure that by doing so, they’ve thwarted that woman’s ability to decide whether to carry to term - or else force that person to engage the services of someone in a back alley or take matters into their own hands.

But again, this runs right into Roe v. Wade and Penn. v. Casey. These attempts to curtail access go right to the heart of seeking Roe being overturned and rolling back the clock by decades.

438 Mattand  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:11:35pm

re: #432 moderatelyradicalliberal

I will probably feel bad that I did tomorrow, but not today.

You shouldn’t feel bad tomorrow, or the forseeable future, IMO.

439 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:11:41pm

re: #429 Decatur Deb

How fucking genteel of them. It’s not like anything is at stake.

Not when you are already rich (most Senators are 1%ers, how else could they afford to run) and not when you are looking forward to a very cushy retirement as a reward from the .01%ers for making sure that not a damn thing got done that would adversely effect them. So for them nothing is at stake at all.

440 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:11:57pm

I actually enjoy it when the passive aggressive bullshit becomes overt. Much better than the alternative, for everyone involved.

441 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:12:54pm

I seem to have missed something.
C’est la vie.

442 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:13:51pm

re: #435 GeneJockey

Not a valid indicator. I had a dog who drove herself from the room. In fact she left first. We should have taken it as a warning….

Boxer, bulldog or some other smoosh faced dog?

443 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:14:43pm
444 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:15:15pm

Satanic derp.

445 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:15:19pm

Why it’s important to vote in all scheduled elections:


GOTV means something. Maybe today’s actions by the Supreme Court will remind a few folks who have sat on the sidelines during local council votes, or midterm elections. Those elections have consequences. All elections do.

446 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:15:33pm

re: #441 Varek Raith

I seem to have missed something.

Confirmation bias.
/
That’s a srac tag

447 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:15:51pm

re: #442 moderatelyradicalliberal

Boxer, bulldog or some other smoosh faced dog?

Irish Setter.

To be fair to her, this was not a frequent occurrence. But it was, bar none, the deadliest fart I had ever experienced. It hit suddenly, like a wall, and even the inverse square law didn’t seem to attenuate it. Or if it did, I can’t explain the absence of scorch marks on the carpet.

448 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:16:37pm

re: #435 GeneJockey

Not a valid indicator. I had a dog who drove herself from the room. In fact she left first. We should have taken it as a warning….

Pretty sad when the dog blames it on you….
:D

449 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:17:12pm

re: #447 GeneJockey

Irish Setter.

To be fair to her, this was not a frequent occurrence. But it was, bar none, the deadliest fart I had ever experienced. It hit suddenly, like a wall, and even the inverse square law didn’t seem to attenuate it. Or if it did, I can’t explain the absence of scorch marks on the carpet.

LOL! An atomic fart!

You’ve never strapped your Irish Setter to the top of your care have you?

450 Joanne  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:17:59pm

re: #432 moderatelyradicalliberal

I will probably feel bad that I did tomorrow, but not today.

I, personally, think you’re good for more than a few days.

451 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:18:10pm

re: #445 lawhawk

Why it’s important to vote in all scheduled elections:


GOTV means something. Maybe today’s actions by the Supreme Court will remind a few folks who have sat on the sidelines during local council votes, or midterm elections. Those elections have consequences. All elections do.

What’s funny is that the press was still trying to portray it as a “close” race even a week ago, when polls were showing Markey maintaining a 10-20% lead.

If there’s anything that might have some constructive purpose in later elections, it’s that running on being a “different” kind of Republican is no longer fooling the electorate.

452 Mattand  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:18:45pm

re: #442 moderatelyradicalliberal

Boxer, bulldog or some other smoosh faced dog?

Boxer owner here. Amazingly, he’s actually fairly methane-free.

453 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:19:23pm

re: #449 moderatelyradicalliberal

LOL! An atomic fart!

You’ve never strapped your Irish Setter to the top of your care have you?

HA!

454 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:20:53pm

re: #452 Mattand

Boxer owner here. Amazingly, he’s actually fairly methane-free.

Greyhounds are reputed to be room-clearers, and their faces are the opposite of smooshed. Luckily, neither of ours have that issue.

455 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:21:04pm

re: #415 Patricia Kayden

While I don’t wish him cancer, he’s definitely a vile person. He seems to go out of his way to poke Black people in the eye with his opinions. Like he wants to make it very clear to us that he cannot stand us (and by extension himself). Funny that when I visited the S Court, I couldn’t see him because he sat so far back from the bench and he didn’t ask a single question. Cannot stand him.

The funny thing is, even Thomas isn’t a completely robotic follower of RW orthodoxy.

He got it on one case relating to cross burning. This may have been his only moment of humanity on the SC bench.

456 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:21:09pm

re: #446 Killgore Trout

Confirmation bias.
/
That’s a srac tag

See? That’s what I mean. Much better.

457 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:22:26pm

re: #455 EPR-radar

The funny thing is, even Thomas isn’t a completely robotic follower of RW orthodoxy.

He got it on one case relating to cross burning. This may have been his only moment of humanity on the SC bench.

Actually I believe every other justice voted against being able to burn a cross and he voted in favor.

458 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:22:30pm

re: #451 Targetpractice

84% reporting - 54-46 Markey.

Final vote may well be 10+ point difference, but right now, it’s closer than those polls had indicated.

459 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:22:38pm

Democratic US Representative Edward J. Markey edged into the lead over Republican businessman Gabriel E. Gomez this evening as ballots continued to be tallied in the US Senate special election.

Markey had 384,506 votes, or about 53 percent, while Gomez had 343,310 votes, or about 47 percent, with 63 percent of precincts reporting just after 9 p.m.

Ed Markey edges into lead

460 Joanne  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:23:10pm

re: #447 GeneJockey

Irish Setter.

To be fair to her, this was not a frequent occurrence. But it was, bar none, the deadliest fart I had ever experienced. It hit suddenly, like a wall, and even the inverse square law didn’t seem to attenuate it. Or if it did, I can’t explain the absence of scorch marks on the carpet.

I put my Irish on a new “premium” brand food some years ago and he had gas so bad he’d leave the room after he farted. After half a bag, I chucked it. Everyone, including the pooch, was really unhappy.

461 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:23:14pm

video: thepoliticalcarnival.net

462 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:23:24pm

re: #458 lawhawk

dammit, beat me by eight seconds…
:)

463 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:23:45pm
464 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:24:59pm
465 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:25:04pm

Gomez had an exciting 45 minutes or so, as the small towns reported in quickly, and got Wingnut hopes up. But it’s been going the other way since. Last I checked it’s basically Markey by 9%.

466 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:26:26pm

Glad to see another Dem from Mass!

467 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:26:33pm

re: #458 lawhawk

84% reporting - 54-46 Markey.

Final vote may well be 10+ point difference, but right now, it’s closer than those polls had indicated.

True, but the media’s been trying to put their usual “horse race” narrative for weeks now, even into the final stretch where Markey was never down below 5% in polls. This idea that Gomez could walk away with it, ala Brown, was foolhardy at best.

468 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:27:13pm

re: #452 Mattand

Boxer owner here. Amazingly, he’s actually fairly methane-free.

I love boxers. Friendliest dogs on the planet, and they can wash your entire face with one lick.

469 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:27:36pm

re: #462 Backwoods_Sleuth

dammit, beat me by eight seconds…
:)

And with more current results too. :)

470 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:28:52pm

Haha, Gomez says he wants to run again next year. Why would Rs run another loser…oh, wait.

471 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:29:27pm

re: #467 Targetpractice

Yeah, the press has to horse race everything, no matter how farfetched the race going the other way might be. Sells papers and keeps interest up.

Keeping interest up may help with turnout in a close election, but people do read between the lines too and see the writing on the wall in these kinds of races.

472 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:30:21pm

re: #470 Justanotherhuman

Haha, Gomez says he wants to run again next year. Why would Rs run another loser…oh, wait.

Speaking of losers, Brown actually had the balls to remark in the press the other day that he could have easily won this election if he’d run.

473 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:31:25pm

re: #456 Charles Johnson

See? That’s what I mean. Much better.

Shall we move the goal posts, declare massive fail or just say “derp”? Maybe Occam’s razor followed up with a godwin and call it a night?

474 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:31:26pm


Cathie Adams
@cathieadams
president of Texas Eagle Forum former chairman of the Republican Party of Texas
Dallas, TX * texaseagle.org
475 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:32:18pm

re: #474 Gus

Deep thots.

476 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:32:27pm

re: #446 Killgore Trout

Confirmation bias.
/
That’s a srac tag

but what about us sracs?

477 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:33:09pm

re: #457 moderatelyradicalliberal

Actually I believe every other justice voted against being able to burn a cross and he voted in favor.

The case I’m thinking of is Virginia v Black en.wikipedia.org

Thomas ended up as the dissenter in that case because he wanted to put cross burning entirely outside the scope of the first amendment (the majority SC opinion is more permissive, in that cross burning without intent to intimidate (hah hah) would apparently be protected expression under the first amendment).

See also nytimes.com where Thomas spoke in court very directly about what a burning cross means in the US.

Of course, I’m the unforgiving sort, who see this as evidence that Thomas can get it on issues that affect him, so there is less of an excuse for him to not get it on so many other issues.

478 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:33:44pm

re: #474 Gus

Boobies are disgusting? I think I understand that Cathie Adams woman better now.

479 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:34:34pm

re: #424 Charles Johnson

Why do I have the feeling I’m seeing a new stalker being born?

I could be wrong, of course.

there’s a stalker born every minute

480 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:36:05pm

re: #454 GeneJockey

Greyhounds are reputed to be room-clearers, and their faces are the opposite of smooshed. Luckily, neither of ours have that issue.

The worst I’ve ever experienced - a friend’s Rhodesian Ridgeback. Literally brought tears to my eyes. Nice dog otherwise, though.

481 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:36:12pm

re: #474 Gus

Self-hating much, Cathie?

482 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:37:18pm

re: #481 Justanotherhuman

Self-hating much, Cathie?

“Ladies Against Women”

483 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:38:09pm

re: #473 Killgore Trout

Shall we move the goal posts, declare massive fail or just say “derp”? Maybe Occam’s razor followed up with a godwin and call it a night?

Fascinating to see the things that are on your mind. Please proceed.

484 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:38:25pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lyudmila Pavlichenko.
I saw a documentary about her a while back, and I think she might have been the basis of a film character, but the title of that escapes me at the moment.

Enemy At The Gates A bad adaption of a very good book.

485 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:38:53pm

Cathie has been added to the Derp list.

486 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:39:42pm

re: #480 makeitstop

I had a rat terrier that weighed about 20 lbs—would have driven those dogs out of the room. My son has him now.

487 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:39:52pm

re: #485 Vicious Babushka

Cathie has been added to the Derp list.

488 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:40:37pm

Derp

489 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:41:26pm

re: #487 Gus

Cathie Adams is one of the insane creationist religious fanatics that dominate the Texas GOP.

490 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:42:55pm

re: #487 Gus

Adams is one of the Don McLeroy crowd.

491 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:43:50pm
492 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:44:09pm
493 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:46:27pm

Abortionists would rather be

given recent history, this person may well sooner or later end up on the “The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion” list

494 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:47:04pm

Davis is explaining human female biology to the special session.
Now interrupted by a parliamentary question.

495 Mattand  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:47:34pm

re: #468 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I love boxers. Friendliest dogs on the planet, and they can wash your entire face with one lick.

No argument here!

496 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:48:24pm

re: #431 Cap’n Magic

Pride goeth before the fall, Charles.

Oh no, not the Bible quotes.

497 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:48:59pm

Obviously the only time Cathie Davis had sex in 42 yrs of marriage resulted in the one child she has.

498 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:49:46pm

re: #495 Mattand

No argument here!

My mother raised several breeds for show, starting with Shepherds and Boxers.

499 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:50:08pm

Wendy Davis

Alma mater

Texas Christian University
Harvard Law School

500 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:50:40pm

re: #440 Charles Johnson

A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold, the bird froze and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung,it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him!

Lesson:

1) Not everyone who drops shit on you is your enemy.
2) Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend.
3) And when you’re in deep shit, keep your mouth shut!

‘nuff said.

501 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:50:42pm

re: #496 Charles Johnson

Oh no, not the Bible quotes.

Quick, bring out the iron weapons. They’re the only things that can protect us.

502 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:51:22pm

re: #377 jamesfirecat

Go to the Bovington Tank Measuem, if that kind of thing is what you are into there is no better way to spend a day…

I’d love to do that someday. Mostly I want to see all the old Wehrmacht armour they’ve got there.

503 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:51:31pm

Big fun: Random google street view, guess where you are by clicking the world map on the left and hit “make guess”.
Pro tip: when in doubt guess western Russia.
Also note: Baja California looks a hell of a lot like southern Italy.

504 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:51:59pm

And now the tendentious proverbs? Is there no depth to which you will not sink?

505 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:52:14pm

re: #496 Charles Johnson

Oh no, not the Bible quotes.

“they spam not, neither do they tweet”

506 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:52:14pm

re: #501 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Quick, bring out the iron weapons. They’re the only things that can protect us.

Quick mount up the iron chariots….. I wonder if there is any iron in an M1 Abrams?

507 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:52:34pm
508 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:53:15pm

re: #502 Romantic Heretic

I’d love to do that someday. Mostly I want to see all the old Wehrmacht armour they’ve got there.

I saw the tiger and the King Tiger while I was there and a Pantenr and a Hetzer, the last of which I only recognized because I had been playing company of heroes recently…

509 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:53:17pm

re: #388 moderatelyradicalliberal

Look. These people are engaging an scorched earth policy against every good thing to expand equality in America and they are not letting up. You wanna play nice and be polite and not wish anything bad on anyone (as if that actually causes bad things to happen) go ahead. We play nice with these people and we get our asses kicked because they hate us. THEY. HATE. US.

Now maybe you aren’t directly affected by this crap but I am. So right now in the immediate aftermath I can’t help the bad thoughts, OK? And since I have no doubt in my mind that these people have great ill will for me and I am done feeling bad about it.

QFT. Too many people have trouble with the simple concept that those that the GOP has declared their stupid culture war on, and everyone else whose rights are routinely negated as a matter of GOP policy, are eventually going to fight back.

Once the fighting back has started, it is basically asinine for critics on the side lines to tut-tut the tone of the aggrieved parties.

510 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:56:27pm

Some facts that might get in the way of the TX GOP anti-abortion advocates, courtesy of the CDC:

In 2007, most (62.3%) abortions were performed at ≤8 weeks’ gestation, and 91.5% were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation. Few abortions (7.2%) were performed at 14—20 weeks’ gestation, and 1.3% were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation. During 1998—2007, the percentage of abortions performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation remained stable; however, abortions performed at ≥16 weeks’ gestation decreased by 13%—14%, and among the abortions performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation, the percentage performed at ≤6 weeks’ gestation increased 65%.

The CDC also checks morbidity and mortality among women seeking abortions, and for 2007 they found 6 women who died as result of procedure. None died as result of illegal abortions (though to be fair, this was before Gosnell’s atrocities came to light).

That’s out of a total of 827,609 abortions were reported to CDC for 2007.

So, the TX GOP (and GOPers elsewhere) are looking to impose all manner of health and safety requirements that would force many clinics to close, ignoring that the mortality rate is better than 1 in 100,000 procedures.

That’s a vast improvement over the morbidity and mortality rates in a wide range of cosmetic surgical procedures, many of which are now done in settings outside of hospitals. And the other studies’ figures bear that out too.

#EDIT:
Forgot to throw in the conclusion here. Based on the claims for public safety that the GOPers are throwing around, they should be beating down the doors of plastic surgeons around the nation demanding that they clean up their acts, do procedures in facilities that meet the requirements they’re demanding of abortion clinics, and get their morbidity and mortality rates down.

Of course, these GOPers will retort and fixate on the lives of the fetuses being aborted, and care not one whit about the women seeking the procedures or why they may be seeking them.

511 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:57:51pm

re: #510 lawhawk

Of course, as all the world knows, facts are completely irrelevant to anti-abortion activists.

512 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:57:56pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

geoguessr.com

Gets awfully tough when all you have to go on is the type of tree or quality of the road.

513 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:58:08pm

re: #510 lawhawk

Unfortunately, facts about mortality and morbidity rates don’t matter to them.

514 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 6:59:01pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

geoguessr.com

that’s fun. i gots 7738 pts

515 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:00:39pm

re: #509 EPR-radar

QFT. Too many people have trouble with the simple concept that those that the GOP has declared their stupid culture war on, and everyone else whose rights are routinely negated as a matter of GOP policy, are eventually going to fight back.

Once the fighting back has started, it is basically asinine for critics on the side lines to tut-tut the tone of the aggrieved parties.

Right. It’s magical balance fairy bullshit. Apparently, there’s no civil unrest until the people being beat up and spit on actually get restless.

516 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:00:40pm

re: #510 lawhawk

Some facts that might get in the way of the TX GOP anti-abortion advocates, courtesy of the CDC:

The CDC also checks morbidity and mortality among women seeking abortions, and for 2007 they found 6 women who died as result of procedure. None died as result of illegal abortions (though to be fair, this was before Gosnell’s atrocities came to light).

That’s out of a total of 827,609 abortions were reported to CDC for 2007.

So, the TX GOP (and GOPers elsewhere) are looking to impose all manner of health and safety requirements that would force many clinics to close, ignoring that the mortality rate is better than 1 in 100,000 procedures.

That’s a vast improvement over the morbidity and mortality rates in a wide range of cosmetic surgical procedures, many of which are now done in settings outside of hospitals. And the other studies’ figures bear that out too.

That is a stunning argument that might actually matter if this was about protecting women instead of punishing them for having sex/denying them the ability to control their own bodies.

517 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:02:38pm

re: #515 moderatelyradicalliberal

Right. It’s magical balance fairy bullshit. Apparently, there’s no civil unrest until the people being beat up and spit on actually get restless.

Closely related to the fallacy that class war is only recognized when class issues are recognized by those getting screwed over.

518 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:03:31pm

re: #512 bratwurst

Gets awfully tough when all you have to go on is the type of tree or quality of the road.

Yeah, the dirt roads are tough. Australia is easy to spot but it’s a big country so it’s hard to get within 1,000 km. Central Canada looks a lot like North Texas sometimes. Road markings are a good clue sometimes but US and Canada are pretty much the same.

519 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:04:29pm

re: #510 lawhawk

More women die in childbirth—right now the rate is around 15 per 100K. It’s increased since the 80s, the lowest point was in 1987 at 7.2 per 100K. So the meme they are trying to push about “dangerous” abortions and women dying in droves from them is outrageous.

stltoday.com

520 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:04:51pm

re: #515 moderatelyradicalliberal

Right. It’s magical balance fairy bullshit. Apparently, there’s no civil unrest until the people being beat up and spit on actually get restless.

I have no idea what you are talking about, now if you excuse me I am off to my top hat and monoclonal convention….

521 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:05:01pm

re: #476 engineer cat

but what about is sracs?

I thought a srac was a character in that old Jim Henson movie The Dark Crystal.

These things.

Image: Img_skeksis-769681.jpg

522 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:05:24pm

re: #514 engineer cat

that’s fun. i gots 7738 pts

I haven’t recorded my highest score yet but I got lucky a few times with Japanese tourist spots with signs in English. If you can average 1,000 km of your target you’re doing pretty good.

523 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:05:29pm

Libertarianism is a harsh mistress.

524 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:06:33pm

re: #514 engineer cat

Got got 12425 points in total.

525 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:07:49pm

re: #514 engineer cat

bit.ly 9474 points. I’ve played a couple of times, and gotten real close on a few of the views, mostly because I recognized them from my travels, but some locations could be mistaken for those half the world away. And that’s what makes it so interesting.

526 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:08:18pm

re: #514 engineer cat

that’s fun. i gots 7738 pts

12,003 points here.

527 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:08:29pm

re: #485 Vicious Babushka

Cathie has been added to the Derp list.

She has an entry in the Encyclopedia of American Loons.

528 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:10:22pm

Evening Lizardim.

529 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:11:06pm

re: #525 lawhawk

bit.ly 9474 points. I’ve played a couple of times, and gotten real close on a few of the views, mostly because I recognized them from my travels, but some locations could be mistaken for those half the world away. And that’s what makes it so interesting.

I’ve been playing for a few days now. Most often you get a dirt road with pine trees and it’s impossible to guess but occasionally you get some really interesting locations, Castles, monuments, weird streets lined with shops. I think what’s fun about it is how wrong you can guess.

530 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:11:13pm

re: #525 lawhawk

bit.ly 9474 points. I’ve played a couple of times, and gotten real close on a few of the views, mostly because I recognized them from my travels, but some locations could be mistaken for those half the world away. And that’s what makes it so interesting.

My last guess was what I thought was somewhere in North Texas.

It was in Norway. My worst guess by far.

531 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:12:05pm

re: #523 Charles Johnson

Libertarianism is a harsh mistress.

I sometimes wonder how these people manage to survive. Similar to conspiracy theorists, they see bogeymen around every corner, out to steal their freedoms. Like everyone is out to get them.

532 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:12:35pm

re: #530 makeitstop

Yeah, have had ones like that - but got offset by a photo of a stadium in Hanover Germany, so got nearly 6k points for that alone. Total score that round was over 13k.

533 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:13:14pm

re: #530 makeitstop

The farthest I was off was think something was in Coastal California, when it was on Victoria Island, BC

534 Joanne  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:15:52pm
535 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:20:52pm

re: #434 stabby

Everyday that the Russians/Chinese can’t decrypt the data that Charles is almost dead-certain they copied from Snowden’s laptop drives (with no proof that they did, just his innuendo) makes that data that much more worthless.

Now if the NSA truly has no record of what Snowden pilfered, what does that say about the NSA and Congressional oversight? Yet you bring that issue up, and what do you hear? Crickets.

Just because Charles has been slinging code for decades (I ran across him once at an Atari gathering in Southfield Michigan back in his old CodeHead days writing Atrai ST software in the mid 1980’s) doesn’t make him 100% knowledgeable in all computational domains (now ask yourself-if he’s been slinging code for 20 years, is it the same year repeated 20 years, or 20 years doing something different each year?)

All one has to do is make a cursory review of published cryptography to realize that the crypto domain is one that doesn’t tolerate secrecy/backdoors.

Yer on yer own, Lizardoids.

I wish you well.

536 prairiefire  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:23:28pm

re: #529 Killgore Trout

I’ve been playing for a few days now. Most often you get a dirt road with pine trees and it’s impossible to guess but occasionally you get some really interesting locations, Castles, monuments, weird streets lined with shops. I think what’s fun about it is how wrong you can guess.

That’s a great site!

537 prairiefire  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:25:07pm

re: #536 prairiefire

That’s a great site!

I keep thinking North America looks like Africa.

538 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:27:12pm

And the smell of butthurt filled the room.

539 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:27:16pm

Ooh, I got downdinged by our resident Paulbot. I feels teh burn.

540 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:28:51pm

re: #537 prairiefire

I keep thinking North America looks like Africa.

ya gotta look at the trees, Africa is pretty distinct. Red soil and you’re probably in Australia. Also check out the street signs, if they’re in meters you know it ain’t US.

541 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:30:07pm

re: #538 Charles Johnson

And the smell of butthurt filled the room.

Smells like… VICTORY.

542 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:32:23pm

re: #538 Charles Johnson

Ah such a wonderful insult, so void of facts and content-free at the same time.

Arrogance and stupidity-what a time-saver!

Knock yerself out, Charles.

543 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:32:54pm

re: #526 Gus

12,003 points here.

-432 points here.

I picked Mars a couple of times.

544 prairiefire  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:34:21pm

I just got a lot of points for Orsk.

545 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:34:37pm

re: #538 Charles Johnson

Here’s an object lesson-not all Libertrians are in 100% lockstep.

546 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:34:52pm

re: #542 Cap’n Magic

Ah such a wonderful insult, so void of actual, factually-free and content-free rebuttals at the same time.

Arrogance and stupidity-what a time-saver!

Knock yerself out, Charles.

If this is what he’s supposed to be rebutting, I think he pretty much nailed it.

547 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:34:53pm

re: #542 Cap’n Magic

Keep thinking magically.

548 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:37:05pm

re: #542 Cap’n Magic

Was that your farewell? Or was it the comment after that? I’m kind of losing track.

549 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:37:49pm

And … link to the Cato Institute for the win!

Crowd yawns.

550 GeneJockey  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 7:42:12pm

re: #542 Cap’n Magic

Arrogance and stupidity-what a time-saver!

Indeed.

551 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 8:02:26pm

re: #522 Killgore Trout

I haven’t recorded my highest score yet but I got lucky a few times with Japanese tourist spots with signs in English. If you can average 1,000 km of your target you’re doing pretty good.

I got over 10,000 on my third try. In my second it gave me Lenin’s tomb in Moscow as the picture - but I didn’t have fine enough control on the map to nail it down really close.

I also got a location in western PA that I recognized since I had driven that road a few times. Got that one within 100 km. :)

552 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:32:29pm

re: #526 Gus

nice to see you guys tapped in to geogessr.com, fun site indeed.

553 Jayleia  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:31:18am

re: #122 Charles Johnson

While wearing a ground beef swimsuit


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