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An Uprising in the Texas Legislature

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As we wait to find out whether the Texas Republican Party is going to pull a fast one and push through a vote against their own rules, here’s an open thread to continue the discussion…

UPDATE at 6/26/13 4:36:38 am

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637 comments

1 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:19:56pm

Isn’t this a done deal? I though they voted at the podium and passed the bill, and thus the AP is reporting it as passed.

2 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:20:17pm

AP certainly seems to regard it as fait accompli:

3 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:21:04pm
4 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:21:07pm

When a Republican mentions Voter Fraud, remind them about tonight in Texas.

5 celticdragon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:21:15pm

I.m off to bed.

6 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:21:16pm

AP pushes these stories out prematurely sometimes. I don’t think it’s done yet. People are still in the chamber.

7 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:21:19pm

Wait!

8 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:21:23pm

I have a lot of trouble trusting CNN or the AP for some reason.

9 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:21:39pm
10 celticdragon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:22:09pm

re: #4 Kragar

When a Republican mentions Voter Fraud, remind them about tonight in Texas.

Breaking the rules is mandatory when you are doing the will of God. Didn’t you know that?

11 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:23:05pm

News services couldn’t be bothered to report on the filibuster, but you can be sure they’ll all spare at least a couple minutes to report that the GOP violated their own rules to pass this bill.

12 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:23:31pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

News services couldn’t be bothered to report on the filibuster, but you can be sure they’ll all spare at least a couple minutes to report that the GOP violated their own rules to pass this bill.

Yeah but, Jimmy Hoffa!

13 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:23:31pm

Dangerous protestor ejected.
twitter.com

14 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:23:40pm

Still conflicting reports. No definitive word.

15 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:24:38pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Still conflicting reports. No definitive word.

I think we all know it’s a done deal. It’s just a matter of how they’ll phrase the excuse.

16 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:24:42pm

This is going to hurt TPGOP not only in Texas, but nation wide.

They done fucked up bad.

17 simoom  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:25:03pm

LT Gov? “The wireless microphone. Lock it up.” Just now from the stream audio.

18 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:26:27pm

The GOP are now firmly the party of voter fraud.

19 gunnison  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:26:43pm

I can’t tell if it’s done yet or not, it’s a fucking zoo.
But either way, it’s gonna be news tomorrow and the GOP has stepped on its meat, again, in a big way tonight.

Sooner or later it was inevitable that folks would just fucking go to their state capitol and just take that place over. I would not have bet it would be Texas first out of the box though.
We’re gonna see more of this kind of thing I suspect. Wendy Davis did something big here. This is not going away.

20 teleskiguy  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:26:48pm
21 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:26:48pm

re: #16 makeitstop

Well, I don’t believe so. There are more than enough people in TX who believe that abortion at any time is murder and thus stopping it is necessary.

This is not something that will change much even over a decade time. We’ve already seen this go on for over 4 decades (since Roe) and it may go on for another 4 decades.

22 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:26:57pm

re: #16 makeitstop

This is going to hurt TPGOP not only in Texas, but nation wide.

They done fucked up bad.

And they are so deep in their alternate reality bubble that they don’t even realize how much they fucked up.
Morons.

23 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:27:13pm
24 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:27:18pm

re: #17 simoom

I heard that too, but I don’t know what it means.

25 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:27:48pm
26 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:27:53pm

Texas, the last bastion of freedom… for white Christian conservative men to tell everyone else how to live their lives.

27 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:28:14pm

re: #19 gunnison

I can’t tell if it’s done yet or not, it’s a fucking zoo.
But either way, it’s gonna be news tomorrow and the GOP has stepped on its meat, again, in a big way tonight.

Sooner or later it was inevitable that folks would just fucking go to their state capitol and just take that place over. I would not have bet it would be Texas first out of the box though.
We’re gonna see more of this kind of thing I suspect. Wendy Davis did something big here. This is not going away.

When Texas goes all hippie protesting on your ass you know you’ve got problems.

28 klys and whatnot  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:28:34pm

Still firmly in the camp of not having a rational discussion on this topic. Yay games.

29 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:28:52pm
30 simoom  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:29:21pm
31 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:29:55pm

I think I know what gets top billing in tomorrow’s Daily Show.

32 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:30:04pm
33 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:30:21pm

What a way to run a railroad…

34 blueraven  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:30:22pm
35 simoom  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:30:25pm
36 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:30:30pm

TxLege: “How does this thing work?”

37 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:30:58pm

Texas legislature can’t figure out its own parliamentary procedures, but medical procedures they’ve got fully sorted.

38 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:31:13pm


Rebranding!

39 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:32:03pm

The Chron says:

Abortion bill passes senate

“We started the vote before midnight,” Patrick said.

40 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:32:30pm

Long term thinking is for elites!
We gots stuff now! We r #winning!

41 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:32:42pm

re: #37 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Texas legislature can’t figure out it’s own parliamentary procedures, but medical procedures they’ve got fully sorted.

Rape kits are abortions, didn’t you know that?
/

42 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:33:38pm

re: #39 freetoken

The Chron says:

Abortion bill passes senate

That’s pretty much what I figured would be the excuse, “We were already voting, so it doesn’t matter that we went over the time.”

43 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:33:52pm

How any party can be so mind-bogglingly stupid and self defeating is beyond me.

44 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:33:58pm

One Chron commenter writes:

eastsidenative 12:19 AM on June 26, 2013
maybe all the protestors should have got their wish and their mothers “chose” to abort them…
May God help us that murder is now a “right!”

45 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:34:19pm

I bet they eventually figure out that The Voynich Manuscript says, “ya’ll are fucked.”

46 gwangung  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:34:19pm

re: #39 freetoken

The Chron says:

Abortion bill passes senate

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Surest way to keep opposition alive—ignore the rules you’ve set up.

Much better chance they could’ve outlasted the pro choice people by trying again…but steamrolling like this? Kills some of your own supporters and REALLY energizes the opposition.

47 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:34:20pm

re: #21 freetoken

Well, I don’t believe so. There are more than enough people in TX who believe that abortion at any time is murder and thus stopping it is necessary.

This is not something that will change much even over a decade time. We’ve already seen this go on for over 4 decades (since Roe) and it may go on for another 4 decades.

Optics, friend. The optics are not just bad, they’re horrendous, and they’re horrendous no matter which of the 50 states you happen to view them in.

Women everywhere are going to see this debacle and they are going to be plenty angry about it. This could be a total game changer.

They fucked up bad. Real bad.

48 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:34:38pm

re: #38 Lidane

Rebranding!

I hope forever.

49 Belafon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:34:43pm

re: #43 Varek Raith

It’s only self-defeating if we beat them.

50 celticdragon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:34:45pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

That’s pretty much what I figured would be the excuse, “We were already voting, so it doesn’t matter that we went over the time.”

I think it goes to court from here.

51 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:35:33pm

The vote was taken after a filibuster to try to kill it by Sen. Wendy Davis, D-Fort Worth, was abruptly ended when Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst upheld objections that she hadn’t strictly abided by filibuster rules, a disputed notion.

Democrats cried foul, saying the action was taken after the required midnight end of the legislative session.

“We started the vote before midnight,” Patrick said.

rules i like are very important and must be followed to the letter. rules i don’t like, not so much

52 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:35:50pm

Texas Legislature here is a quick useful rule of tab, if you are not sure if you passed a bill or not, you did not pass that bill.

53 celticdragon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:36:00pm

Liveblog
12:31 a.m. by Becca Aaronson

It’s still unclear the exact time that the Senate voted and approved Senate Bill 5 — and whether that vote is valid.

54 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:36:10pm

re: #50 celticdragon

I think it goes to court from here.

Most likely. But unless those filing a case are quick about it and get an injunction, then you can bet that the legislature will be swift in enforcing this law. And once any clinics are closed, reopening them is going to be difficult and expensive.

55 blueraven  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:36:42pm
56 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:36:55pm

re: #47 makeitstop

Read the comment from the Chron I posted. Do “optics” matter to him?

If SB5 came up for a popular vote in TX, do you think it would get a majority?

I suspect it would.

57 gwangung  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:36:56pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

Most likely. But unless those filing a case are quick about it and get an injunction, then you can bet that the legislature will be swift in enforcing this law. And once any clinics are closed, reopening them is going to be difficult and expensive.

They’re not stupid. Not after this clusterfuck by Republicans.

They’ll be quick.

58 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:37:14pm

Dear sane Republicans.
Stop enabling this.
Please. Just. Stop.

59 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:37:18pm

12:31 a.m. by Becca Aaronson

It’s still unclear the exact time that the Senate voted and approved Senate Bill 5 — and whether that vote is valid.

“There will be people who see things as they see them…I think its fair to say this is not the way the Senate should do its business,” state Sen. Dan Patrick, R-Houston, told the press. He blamed the outburst in the gallery for disrupting the Senate’s processes. “The people can’t come and create so much of a ruckus that we can’t do our job,” he said.

Standing next to Patrick, state Sen. Juan ‘Chuy’ Hinojosa, D-McAllen, agreed that this is not the way the Senate should conduct its business. But he said the Senate should not be allowed to approve a bill during a special session past the midnight deadline, at which point, the session should be concluded.

“We didn’t even know we were voting,” said Hinojosa, adding that the Republican senators knew they were voting, but he and other Democrats were off the side holding up their cell phones at the time to show the press that it was past midnight. “How can we call a vote if we can’t hear?” he asked.
texastribune.org

60 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:38:11pm

re: #55 blueraven

pathetic. bastards.

61 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:38:30pm

According to the GOP, you can ignore laws you disagree with.

See gay marriage, obamacare, gun control.

62 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:38:36pm

re: #59 jaunte

12:31 a.m. by Becca Aaronson

Fucking shannigans. Way to go GOP. A new low even for your sorry excuse of a party.

63 Cheechako  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:38:47pm

Texas might become a pink state instead of a red or blue state!!

64 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:38:53pm

re: #21 freetoken

That’s only because the RWNJs have been the loudest. Time for the Dems to out-shout them.

65 jaunte  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:39:01pm
66 klys and whatnot  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:39:09pm

re: #56 freetoken

Read the comment from the Chron I posted. Do “optics” matter to him?

If SB5 came up for a popular vote in TX, do you think it would get a majority?

I suspect it would.

And that makes it totally ok for them to pull this shit.

//

67 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:39:15pm

re: #56 freetoken

Read the comment from the Chron I posted. Do “optics” matter to him?

If SB5 came up for a popular vote in TX, do you think it would get a majority?

I suspect it would.

Instead they chose the much more idiotic route of steamrolling it through by breaking their own rules.
Short term thinking at its finest.

68 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:39:46pm

Great imagery, GOP: Declare a filibuster is over because of a violation of the rules to rush through a vote in violation of the rules.

69 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:39:50pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Fucking shannigans. Way to go GOP. A new low even for your sorry excuse of a party.

They’re not a party they’re a crime syndicate.

70 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:40:56pm

They could’ve just let the filibuster ‘win’ and pass it under the radar next session.
But no. This is Texas, dammit!

71 celticdragon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:41:21pm

re: #69 Tigger2

They’re not a party they are a crime syndicate.

Three years ago, I would have called that wretched hyperbole.

Not any more.

72 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:41:53pm

re: #56 freetoken

Read the comment from the Chron I posted. Do “optics” matter to him?

If SB5 came up for a popular vote in TX, do you think it would get a majority?

I suspect it would.

Think bigger. Of course there are fundies in Texas that think this is the greatest vote ever.

But for every fundie in Texas praising Jesus right now, I guarantee you there are 10 women in this country who are spitting nails right now.

73 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:42:07pm

re: #69 Tigger2

They’re not a party they’re a crime syndicate.

That’s been true for decades.

Now everyone else gets to see what passes for governance here in Texas.

74 celticdragon  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:43:01pm

see you all in the morning.

75 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:43:02pm

Shame, shame, shame on the TX legislators for trying to push this piece of shit legislation through. Shame!

“Lawmakers, either get out of the vagina business or go to medical school. ” Image: original.jpg

Keep your fucking hands off my body. I don’t say that for myself, but for all the women who came behind me.

76 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:43:23pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

They could’ve just let the filibuster ‘win’ and pass it under the radar next session.
But no. This is Texas, dammit!

Of course they couldn’t let that happen, their pride is on the line here, damnit!

//

77 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:43:24pm

re: #73 Lidane

That’s been true for decades.

Now everyone else gets to see what passes for governance here in Texas.

An eye opener to be sure.
Good grief, if they actually seceded, they’d be in a civil war within weeks.

78 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:43:31pm

The difference between Sharia and the Texas Teahadi’s polices?

This isn’t a joke, I’m trying to figure out the differences between their beliefs.

79 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:43:59pm

re: #78 Kragar

The difference between Sharia and the Texas Teahadi’s polices?

This isn’t a joke, I’m trying to figure out the differences between their beliefs.

Invisible man in the sky they pray to.

80 Professor Chaos  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:44:03pm

re: #78 Kragar

The difference between Sharia and the Texas Teahadi’s polices?

This isn’t a joke, I’m trying to figure out the differences between their beliefs.

Beards.

81 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:44:13pm

Between the SCOTUS and now this shit in Texas the republicans have pissed off a hell of a lot of voters. they have had a good day of alienating people nice outreach.

82 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:44:36pm

I’m an atheist with a beard.
Fear me!

83 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:45:37pm

This should make you feel better:

Rick Santorum named CEO of Christian film studio

“You have millions of Americans who don’t go to the movies because they don’t want to see, and they don’t want their children seeing, certain content,” Santorum said. He believes that Dallas can become the Hollywood of the faith-and-family movie market.

84 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:45:46pm

re: #81 Tigger2

Between the SCOTUS and now this shit in Texas the republicans have pissed off a hell of a lot of voters. they have had a good day of alienating people nice outreach.

Short-term gain, long-term loss. They’re focused on ‘14, figuring they’ll have two years afterward to fix any damage done to their brand.

85 gunnison  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:46:25pm

Heh
How’s that imagy re-brandy thing workin’ out for ya?

86 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:47:01pm

I’m going to bed.
Night.

87 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:47:11pm
88 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:47:31pm

re: #83 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

This should make you feel better:

Rick Santorum named CEO of Christian film studio

Bet it’s a total flop.

89 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:47:37pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

Short-term gain, long-term loss. They’re focused on ‘14, figuring they’ll have two years afterward to fix any damage done to their brand.

They might have screwed themselves for “14”.

90 Apeman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:48:22pm

At this very moment, my wife is counseling a rape victim who will need one of these “abortion kits.” She’s been at the hospital for 2 hours already, helping the victim deal with the hospital and the police. Should the unthinkable happen, this woman will be subjected to these pious zealots’ will and whim so that they can adequately shame her. This woman’s access to adequate and appropriate health care is being attacked by these folks, and it makes my stomach turn.

I love Austin and I was invigorated by these folks’ passion for women’s rights. In the end, the results are just appalling.

91 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:52:13pm

Aftermath of leg: ustream.tv

92 gunnison  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:52:49pm

re: #90 Apeman

I love Austin and I was invigorated by these folks’ passion for women’s rights. In the end, the results are just appalling.

I hear you, but the results are gonna have a shitload of unintended consequences.

This is not the end, this is not even the beginning of the end; but it is perhaps the end of the beginning. - W. Churchill

93 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:53:19pm

re: #89 Tigger2

They might have screwed themselves for “14”.

Let’s remember that we thought ‘08 was going to be a sign of things to come, then between the emoprogs and the Dems shooting themselves in the foot over the ACA, the GOP regained significant ground in Congress.

94 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:54:28pm
95 Apeman  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:58:43pm

re: #92 gunnison

I believe so, too. I don’t know how folks can keep turning a blind eye the Republican party’s antics.

96 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:58:59pm
97 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:00:52pm

Jimmie Rodgers, from 1929:

MP3 Audio

98 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:01:39pm
99 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:03:12pm
100 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:05:28pm

re: #98 Lidane

Yeah, it’s a done deal. Rules are, after all, for the other guy.

101 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:07:05pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

Let’s remember that we thought ‘08 was going to be a sign of things to come, then between the emoprogs and the Dems shooting themselves in the foot over the ACA, the GOP regained significant ground in Congress.

I have a feeling we’re going to see a hell of alot more get out the vote this coming midterm.

102 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:07:37pm

Posted by one of my law profs tonight:

It’s chaos in downtown Austin right now. There have been many arrests. But I suspect that the impact of tonight’s disgrace will be felt long past morning.

Those who know me well know that I am fiercely independent. I don’t believe I have ever voted a straight ticket in my life. But tonight I saw a political party hijack our political system, and democracy was it’s victim as much as women’s rights. And they did it in front of close to a hundred thousand people, along with hundreds of thousands of more people tuning in around the world, changing rules when it suited them, and doing everything they could to soil everything I love about this country and our system of government. I cannot let that go by without changing my attitudes towards the party they represent. We are supposed to respect minority voices in this country. That is what differentiates us from most other countries in the world. But tonight the majority came off as bullies and thugs, and its going to take a long time to wash the sour taste out of my mouth.

And for the most part…it was unnecessary. This could have been handled in a civil and legal manner, and chances are the majority would have still gotten their way. Instead they turned the proceedings into a circus freakshow, and gave impetus to a movement.

One male tweet I saw declared that although he had never really given a lot of thought to women’s rights, as of tonight, he was a feminist going forward. I have given it a lot of thought, but let’s face it…I wasn’t down there tonight. I’ve always said the words, but I’m so angry tonight that it will become more than words.

First thing in the morning, I plan to make a campaign contribution to Texas Senator Wendy Davis and Kirk Watson. We’ll see where it goes from there.

No matter what your feelings on the issue at hand…democracy failed tonight. We need to take notice.

103 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:08:16pm

re: #101 Tigger2

I have a feeling we’re going to see a hell of alot more get out the vote this coming midterm.

Yeah, we will, but it’s a question of just how much damage emoprogs will do by playing up the NSA bullshit and other “scandals” in arguing that a vote for a Democrat is “no different” than a vote for a Republican.

104 blueraven  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:09:15pm
105 gunnison  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:09:39pm

The Guardian has been covering this, btw, even if our home-grown media hasn’t.
They had a report up hours ago about Davis’s filibuster attempt, and now just put up a report of the outcome, whatever that outcome is. An exerpt;

Her marathon speech, which began at 11.18am local time, came to an end at 10.03pm when the last of three points of order were sustained against her.

A rush of procedural motions and inquiries by Democrat senators delayed the final voteon the bill. Van de Putte asked for a summary of previous points of order, saying she had been away from the senate attending her father’s funeral.

The leader of the Democrats in the senate, Kirk Watson, began what amounted to his own filibuster.

With less than 15 minutes to go until midnight Van de Putte asked what a female member of the senate had to do to be heard over her male colleagues. She believed she had raised a motion earlier but was not heard.

It was at this point the crowded public gallery began chanting and cheering. A vote was called on the SB5 bill but the noise was at such a level that voting was suspended until order was restored.

The gallery appeared to take this as an invitation to ramp up their noise for the remaining 15 minutes, with encouragement from Democrats on the floor. The session ended in chaos and confusion, and without the vote being completed by midnight.

There were reports some senators did not even know what they voted on.

For over 30 minutes senators milled around the floor and protesters shouted from the gallery, before troopers moved in, arresting at least one protester.

106 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:09:55pm

re: #104 blueraven

Who’s in charge? Not the voters of Texas, if the display we saw is to be believed.

107 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:12:02pm

“She learned love
the hard way
in the Church of Texas.”

MP3 Audio

108 Gus  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:14:15pm
109 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:14:45pm
110 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:16:50pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

Yeah, we will, but it’s a question of just how much damage emoprogs will do by playing up the NSA bullshit and other “scandals” in arguing that a vote for a Democrat is “no different” than a vote for a Republican.

They’re not going to fool AA, Women or Hispanics with that shit. And even extreme liberals over at DK are so pissed off about the SCOTUS ruling today that it most likely will not fly with them either.

111 gwangung  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:19:38pm

re: #110 Tigger2

They’re not going to fool AA, Women or Hispanics with that shit. And even extreme liberals over at DK are so pissed of about the SCOTUS ruling today that it most likely will not fly with them either.

Maybe it’ll get through to them that if you’re pissed about those scandals, you don’t allow folks who’re even worse into power. Don’t like Democratic positions? ELECT (don’t just vote) someone with better positions. But you better work your ass off to make sure that worse choice doesn’t get elected.

112 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:19:39pm
113 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:22:21pm

The optics of this really do speak to the amount of disdain the GOP has for the will of the people. In front of thousands of Texans as well as hundreds of thousands of viewers across this nation, they chose to assuage their wounded pride by forcing this vote through tonight rather than getting the last laugh by having Perry call a special session where they’d ram the bill through. They’ve made a mockery of everything they supposedly stand for as a party, from individual rights to the rule of law, with their actions tonight. If the world were just and fair, this would pretty much spell the end of the Texas GOP as a viable party for at least a generation.

But the cynic in me, or rather the cynic that is me, knows that they’re already hard at work stacking the deck in their favor, both at the state as well as federal level, and the Texas GOP will do everything in their power to install one-party rule for however long they can get away with it.

114 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:23:11pm

Hey remember that time the GOP claimed ACA was shoved down our throats. Yeah!

115 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:25:47pm

Did you know that the Texas Legislature was invaded by terrorists tonight?


Yep. All those folks standing up for choice and for rights are terrorists. Now you know.

116 EPR-radar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:25:52pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

The GOP has no interest in governance or political compromise.

Ruling those they view as their inferiors is what floats their boat, and they are being increasingly open about it.

117 Weet  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:27:29pm

re: #105 gunnison

That summary is not really accurate. On the 3rd point of order, Lt. Gov. Dewhurst ruled in his party’s favor, with the point of order being that the Wendy said something that was not germaine to the bill. Of course, what Wendy said WAS germaine to the bill, as explained in detail by Dem Senator
Kirk Watson.
Without going into further detail about the rules, etc., let me say that it is obvious to anyone with an idea of the rules that the Republicans broke several tonight, ending with taking a vote after midnight. Note that the 2nd point of order was made because a fellow Senator accidentally touched Wendy when she was getting her back brace from him.

I actually don’t think this bill will stand, although I will note:

118 Weet  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:29:29pm

Furthermore, there is this from 5 minutes ago:

119 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:31:32pm

re: #115 Lidane

Did you know that the Texas Legislature was invaded by terrorists tonight?


Yep. All those folks standing up for choice and for rights are terrorists. Now you know.

God they’re not even trying anymore. We were supposed to give into the Tea Party’s every demand and treat them like they were the only voices that shoudl be heard on the health care debate but this asswipe’s upset because people he disagrees with wanted to be heard.

120 blueraven  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:31:47pm

Also this…Note this is the vote start time

121 blueraven  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:33:39pm
122 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:35:34pm

I am glad that Texas is such an awesome place where luxury issues like education can be ignored while real issues like telling women they can’t do a legal medical procedure take center-stage. And then there’s the kicker that the bill’s sponsor believes rape kits for rape victims cause abortion. Yep you’ve really showed the rest of us Texas GOP. Everything is in fact bigger in Texas and that includes how stupid your Republicans are.

123 Weet  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:36:31pm

re: #21 freetoken

Well, I don’t believe so. There are more than enough people in TX who believe that abortion at any time is murder and thus stopping it is necessary.

This is not something that will change much even over a decade time. We’ve already seen this go on for over 4 decades (since Roe) and it may go on for another 4 decades.

Texas polls show that the majority support abortion rights. Our problem is that not enough people vote, not enough women vote, and people that historically vote Republican will not change their vote over abortion.

124 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:36:53pm

re: #115 Lidane

125 gunnison  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:37:21pm

re: #117 Weet

That summary is not really accurate. ….

Oh no, of course not.
But it, and their previous piece about Davis’s filibuster attempt before she even got rolling, was more accurate than the complete absence of coverage elsewhere.

I was just making the point that they were at least on it and on it early, that’s all, unlike most of the US press. But I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that’s about to change after tonight’s clusterfuck.

126 Tigger2  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:37:34pm

re: #115 Lidane

Did you know that the Texas Legislature was invaded by terrorists tonight?


Yep. All those folks standing up for choice and for rights are terrorists. Now you know.

And they had the Teabagger Taliban passing Sharia Law in the Texas State Senate tonight,

127 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:41:00pm

If I’m curious about anything at this point, it’s how will the wingnuts in the media respond tomorrow. Will they just refuse to address the whole thing and act as if it’s not that big a deal? Or will they puff out their chests and declare how they, in defiance of “liberal agitators,” passed a bill to “protect” women and enforce the “will of the people”?

128 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:41:07pm

re: #56 freetoken

Read the comment from the Chron I posted. Do “optics” matter to him?

If SB5 came up for a popular vote in TX, do you think it would get a majority?

I suspect it would.

jaunte covered this in the last thread.

Most Texas residents don’t support Senate Bill 5, the omnibus anti-abortion bill currently advancing in the legislature, according to a new bipartisan poll. In fact, 80 percent of Texans don’t want their lawmakers to be considering abortion-related bills during the special session that Gov. Rick Perry (R) convened at the beginning of the month.

129 Weet  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:42:21pm

re: #125 gunnison

Oh no, of course not.
But it, and their previous piece about Davis’s filibuster attempt before she even got rolling, was more accurate than the complete absence of coverage elsewhere.

I was just making the point that they were at least on it and on it early, that’s all, unlike most of the US press. But I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that’s about to change after tonight’s clusterfuck.

Agreed. The Texas Tribune was liveblogging it, so we have good local coverage. :-)

130 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:42:49pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

If I’m curious about anything at this point, it’s how will the wingnuts in the media respond tomorrow. Will they just refuse to address the whole thing and act as if it’s not that big a deal? Or will they puff out their chests and declare how they, in defiance of “liberal agitators,” passed a bill to “protect” women and enforce the “will of the people”?

You’ll see a little bit of both. And I totally expect a certain someone whose name rhymes with Slenn Deck to compare the people protesting the bill’s passage to Nazis.

131 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:43:17pm

That was fast:

132 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:43:33pm

I hope that this is the moment where Texans realize they need to get rid of Rick Perry. Crazy to think but that guy’s been governor of Texas for about half of my life.

133 gunnison  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:43:39pm

re: #115 Lidane

Did you know that the Texas Legislature was invaded by terrorists tonight?
Yep. All those folks standing up for choice and for rights are terrorists. Now you know.

I see that the holy work of redefining “citizen activism” as “terrorism” is proceeding according to plan.
Pretty soon it will be a terrorist act to just show up with a painted sign if these fuckwits have their way.

I wish I was joking, but I ain’t. These people are our Taliban, and they are not one bit less fanatical than that other bunch..

134 Professor Chaos  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:44:06pm
135 Weet  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:44:54pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

But the cynic in me, or rather the cynic that is me, knows that they’re already hard at work stacking the deck in their favor, both at the state as well as federal level, and the Texas GOP will do everything in their power to install one-party rule for however long they can get away with it.

The good news is that some of these Senators will probably lose their jobs over this, starting with Donna Campbell, who should not have won her election anyway. So, incremental improvement, at least.

136 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:45:21pm

There’s a few voices of reason amongst the Freeper, if only to point out that this shit is not going to look good in the long run. But the rest are screaming “Fuck’em! Pass the bill is all that matters!”

137 Weet  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:46:12pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

I hope that this is the moment where Texans realize they need to get rid of Rick Perry. Crazy to think but that guy’s been governor of Texas for about half of my life.

The word is that he is not planning to run again. He would lose. He is likely to run for Pres again. He really is that dense.

138 Lidane  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:46:41pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

I hope that this is the moment where Texans realize they need to get rid of Rick Perry. Crazy to think but that guy’s been governor of Texas for about half of my life.

I’ve been hoping for that asshole to get bounced out on his ass for years now, but the Dems kept putting up weak candidates against him.

Maybe now, with people like Julian Castro and Wendy Davis we might have some promising candidates for the job.

139 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:46:47pm

Keep fucking that chicken GOP.

Youtube Video

140 piratedan  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:46:50pm

re: #123 Weet

I think that’s essentially true for almost all of these “sane” Republicans who keep enabling all of the nutjobs that they elect. Sane they may be, distasteful as those positions are; they’ll stoically hold their noses and vote R no matter how loony the candidate or how heinous their positions are. They’re part of the tribe and if they want to stay in the tribe they vote accordingly. Is this true of all Republicans, no, but it’s obvious enough this is exactly what happens at the ballot box. The other side has the opposite effect, if their pet issue isn’t addressed to their satisfaction, they’ll stay home and then marvel at how fucked up the world is because they wouldn’t get off their ass and vote for the lesser “evil” while keeping their hearts pure.

141 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:49:27pm

I love Wendy Davis. Too bad the Supreme Court just gave Texas Republicans the ability to gerrymander her district away. That will prevent anymore of these pesky filibusters.

142 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:50:18pm

re: #138 Lidane

I’ve been hoping for that asshole to get bounced out on his ass for years now, but the Dems kept putting up weak candidates against him.

Maybe now, with people like Julian Castro and Wendy Davis we might have some promising candidates for the job.

That’d be great if either ran and another ran for the Senate against Cruz and Cornyn. Texas deserves better than those three.

143 freetoken  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:52:07pm

re: #128 goddamnedfrank

Asking the question “should the special session consider an abortion bill” is different than asking “should abortions after 20 weeks be banned”, or some similar question about abortion.

Here’s the question on the survey:

A special session of the
legislature should focus on issues
like education, jobs, and the
economy, instead of bringing up
social issues like abortion that
were already addressed in the
regular session of the legislature

to which 80% agreed. To claim that this will transfer to an explicit question about abortion after 20 weeks (or whatever) is stretching it too much.

Note that only 47% of those polled strongly agreed with this statement:

Texas laws already place
enough restrictions on
abortion and we don’t need
any new laws.

In an actual election, not a selective survey, only the most motivated go an vote. And the anti-abortion crowd is demonstrably motivated.

144 gwangung  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:55:39pm

re: #133 gunnison

I see that the holy work of redefining “citizen activism” as “terrorism” is proceeding according to plan.
Pretty soon it will be a terrorist act to just show up with a painted sign if these fuckwits have their way.

I wish I was joking, but I ain’t. These people are our Taliban, and they are not one bit less fanatical than that other bunch..

Remember, Bush free speech zones.

145 Weet  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:55:40pm

re: #138 Lidane

I’ve been hoping for that asshole to get bounced out on his ass for years now, but the Dems kept putting up weak candidates against him.

Maybe now, with people like Julian Castro and Wendy Davis we might have some promising candidates for the job.

Bill White was a great candidate, but he ran during the infamous 2010 elections. It also did not help that a mysterious fire in Houston burned up all of the voting machines. (He was a very popular mayor in Houston, and that was his base.)

I think there’s a good chance you’ll see Julian running as VP in 2016 instead of in Texas. But you could be correct, and he’d make a great Governor.

146 Kragar  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:56:47pm

The GOP proved tonight they aren’t interested in governing, they just want control.

147 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 25, 2013 11:58:20pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

The optics of this really do speak to the amount of disdain the GOP has for the will of the people. In front of thousands of Texans as well as hundreds of thousands of viewers across this nation, they chose to assuage their wounded pride by forcing this vote through tonight rather than getting the last laugh by having Perry call a special session where they’d ram the bill through. They’ve made a mockery of everything they supposedly stand for as a party, from individual rights to the rule of law, with their actions tonight. If the world were just and fair, this would pretty much spell the end of the Texas GOP as a viable party for at least a generation.

But the cynic in me, or rather the cynic that is me, knows that they’re already hard at work stacking the deck in their favor, both at the state as well as federal level, and the Texas GOP will do everything in their power to install one-party rule for however long they can get away with it.

And the Supreme Court just gave them the power to do it. Mark my words Wendy Davis’ district is gone. They will get rid of her first. They will bring back that terrible map and they will be able to get away with these shenanigans indefinitely. I’m trying not despair, but it’s hard not to.

149 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:00:38am

re: #147 moderatelyradicalliberal

And the Supreme Court just gave them the power to do it. Mark my words Wendy Davis’ district is gone. They will get rid of her first. They will bring back that terrible map and they will be able to get away with these shenanigans indefinitely. I’m trying not despair, but it’s hard not to.

Yeah, that’s just what I was reflecting upon a few minutes ago, that with today’s SCOTUS ruling the Texas GOP is going to be quick to further consolidate its power in the face of the oncoming demographic storm. Her district is gone and you can be sure any Democrats who rely upon a strong minority turnout will likely be in the crosshairs.

150 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:02:23am

re: #145 Weet

Bill White was a great candidate, but he ran during the infamous 2010 elections. It also did not help that a mysterious fire in Houston burned up all of the voting machines. (He was a very popular mayor in Houston, and that was his base.)

I think there’s a good chance you’ll see Julian running as VP in 2016 instead of in Texas. But you could be correct, and he’d make a great Governor.

Good candidates matter, but the real problem in Texas is that the majority of white voters are evangelical nuts and Hispanics don’t vote in proportion to that percentage of the population. One of those things had to change before Texas can be purple let alone blue. We had a Hispanic candidate run for Governor before and it didn’t matter. I honestly don’t know what it will take.

151 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:06:41am

re: #149 Targetpractice

Yeah, that’s just what I was reflecting upon a few minutes ago, that with today’s SCOTUS ruling the Texas GOP is going to be quick to further consolidate its power in the face of the oncoming demographic storm. Her district is gone and you can be sure any Democrats who rely upon a strong minority turnout will likely be in the crosshairs.

I keep hearing people say that minorities and women will be galvanized by these attacks on us, but the VRA ruling will allow them to counter in increase in voter participation. If they can bunch us all into the same districts, the increase in voter participation won’t matter in the near future and the near future matters. It will be like CA and WY having the same number of Senators even though CA has 76 times the number of people.

I know we have to keep hope alive, but what happened today at the SC was a disaster. The VRA has been gutted.

152 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:12:20am
153 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:13:14am

re: #152 Lidane

So they are admitting that they didn’t manage to beat the clock and will have to count the bill as sunk?

Okay, I admit it, I wasn’t expecting that one.

154 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:15:01am
155 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:16:08am

re: #153 Targetpractice

So they are admitting that they didn’t managed to beat the clock and will have to count the bill as sunk?

Okay, I admit it, I wasn’t expecting that one.

What choice did they have? If they’d tried to ram the bill through tonight with the time stamps clearly showing that they voted after the deadline it would have been chaos.

I’m expecting Perry to call a second session to bring this shit up again.

156 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:17:02am

re: #154 Lidane

LOL! Some good news, maybe? A ray of sunshine? Wendy Davis may have saved the day, but this shit is nor over. I hope the left is ready to fight because this is all out war.

157 Apeman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:17:32am

Dead! Woot!

158 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:18:30am

re: #157 Apeman

Dead! Woot!

Not if Perry can call another session.

159 Apeman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:20:00am

re: #158 moderatelyradicalliberal

I imagine that’s exactly what will happen. Nevertheless, on a day like this, take the victories where you can.

160 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:20:09am
161 palomino  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:20:49am

re: #155 Lidane

What choice did they have? If they’d tried to ram the bill through tonight with the time stamps clearly showing that they voted after the deadline it would have been chaos.

I’m expecting Perry to call a second session to bring this shit up again.

Definitely. The gop in the state legislature is filled with people who think they’re on a mission from God…plus some of the usual political animals who will do whatever it takes to throw red meat to the base. In this case, that means standing up to women and other liberals who don’t know their place in Texas.

162 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:20:59am

re: #158 moderatelyradicalliberal

Not if Perry can call another session.

QUICK! Put something shiny in front of the Governor’s mansion!

163 Professor Chaos  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:23:49am

Now who altered and/or ordered the alteration of the date of passage? Alteration of government records is a felony under Texas Penal Code 37.10.

164 Weet  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:26:20am

re: #152 Lidane

So Happy!! That really is what I have been expecting. This was on video, and they know it. They’re not used to that.

Just YAY! Hope it’s true!!

165 Weet  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:29:03am

re: #161 palomino

Definitely. The gop in the state legislature is filled with people who think they’re on a mission from God…plus some of the usual political animals who will do whatever it takes to throw red meat to the base. In this case, that means standing up to women and other liberals who don’t know their place in Texas.

The majority of the GOP Senators are trying to hold off a primary from the Tea Party. They put their own hoity-toity position (they think it is) above everything else — truth, morality, what is right for Texas, etc. It’s an old, tired story, I know. But it’s the main reason, really.

166 gunnison  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:30:42am

re: #164 Weet

So Happy!! That really is what I have been expecting. This was on video, and they know it. They’re not used to that…..

BREAKING!!!! -Texas GOP discovers screen shots!! Comes completely unglued! Accuses citizenry of terrorism!
More after this word from our sponsors….

167 Weet  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:32:44am

re: #150 moderatelyradicalliberal

Good candidates matter, but the real problem in Texas is that the majority of white voters are evangelical nuts and Hispanics don’t vote in proportion to that percentage of the population. One of those things had to change before Texas can be purple let alone blue. We had a Hispanic candidate run for Governor before and it didn’t matter. I honestly don’t know what it will take.

Did you know that Texas is in last place in % of women that vote? It’s true. I am working with a group here in Dallas that is trying to solve that problem. Latino women are particularly disinclined to vote.

168 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:48:43am

I hope they’ve got someone sitting with Reince Priebus tonight, and have removed prescription medicines, sharp instruments and firearms from his residence.
///

169 Weet  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:55:52am

On abortion polling in Texas:

Here ya go. Here’s another poll. If need is established (which is a fairly low bar), the yays outweigh the nays.
June 20 2013 Abortion Poll

170 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:00:24am
171 simoom  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:02:06am
172 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:06:10am

The way they passed Act 10 was shameful in Wisconsin too. The GOP are the true thugs and bullies. Much respect to the protesters.

173 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:09:04am

The Breitbartians are still reporting the bill as passed, even got it on their homepage.

174 Weet  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:11:05am

re: #172 Amory Blaine

The way they passed Act 10 was shameful in Wisconsin too. The GOP are the true thugs and bullies. Much respect to the protesters.

Yes, indeed! The protesters essentially filibustered for the last ~10 minutes. I was wondering why Dewhurst did not stop it, and I think it’s because he did not have enough law enforcement to remove them all.

175 Weet  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:14:30am

re: #174 Weet

He also knew, I think, that he had misapplied the rules when he decided that the 3rd point of order proved Wendy’s comments were ‘not germaine’. It would have potentially come back to bite him.

176 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:16:52am

This shows to independents and any moderate republicans left in Texas how shady the GOP will devolve to get what they want.

177 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:18:44am

re: #173 Targetpractice

Most of the wingnut sites seem so tied in a knot about the impending immigration bill, or the USSC rulings, to have not noticed.

And speaking of the racist variety of wingnuts, I see Peter Brimelow is now being published by WND. This completes WND’s transition to a full on racist site.

178 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:21:37am

re: #133 gunnison

I see that the holy work of redefining “citizen activism” as “terrorism” is proceeding according to plan.
Pretty soon it will be a terrorist act to just show up with a painted sign if these fuckwits have their way.

I wish I was joking, but I ain’t. These people are our Taliban, and they are not one bit less fanatical than that other bunch..

18 Arrested in Wisconsin Assembly for Using Cameras; Guns Still Allowed

Eighteen people were arrested Tuesday, November 2 for using cameras in the Wisconsin Assembly gallery, including the editor of The Progressive magazine, Matt Rothschild.

Rothschild and others had gone to the capitol to protest a series of arrests in recent weeks of individuals who carried signs or took photos or video in defiance of an Assembly ban.

“We ought to have a right to take a picture,” Rothschild said.

Guns, Yes. Cameras, No.

The protest was organized through a Facebook event called “Concealed Camera Day at the Capitol!” The event coincided with the implementation of Wisconsin’s new concealed carry law, which allows residents to carry a concealed firearm — including inside the Assembly gallery.

179 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:23:17am
180 simoom  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:23:43am
181 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:27:41am

re: #177 freetoken

Most of the wingnut sites seem so tied in a knot about the impending immigration bill, or the USSC rulings, to have not noticed.

And speaking of the racist variety of wingnuts, I see Peter Brimelow is now being published by WND. This completes WND’s transition to a full on racist site.

Oh, they’ll spare time for it tomorrow, just how much is the question. I fully expect Limbaugh to have no problem opening his piehole long enough to sneer at the thousands of Texans who booed from the gallery and of course completely missing the point when he’ll declare Democrats “hypocrites” for supporting Davis’ use of the filibuster while wanting to use the “nuclear option” in the Senate.

182 simoom  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:27:45am
183 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:32:36am

re: #182 simoom

Hmmm…. how soon is “soon”.

And his statement about “unruly mob” dovetails with my belief that Perry will station state police at the next gathering, to keep the people at bay.

184 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:32:52am

re: #182 simoom

I wasn’t expecting this stalwart of a defense. A good reminder to people who say “Let them secede” that that’s disrespect for the fight these people are putting in.

185 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:33:10am

re: #182 simoom

“Unruly mob”? “Occupy tactics”? Seriously?

Give me a fucking break, if positions were reversed, he’d be hailing that “unruly mob” for stopping Democrats from violating the “will of the people.”

186 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:38:32am
187 thecommodore  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:41:51am
188 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 2:04:07am

Nice one.

189 freetoken  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 2:11:11am
190 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 2:26:07am
191 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 2:39:12am

Last one and I’m out.

192 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 2:42:17am

re: #191 goddamnedfrank

Last one and I’m out.

Seriously. One of the more dramatic, important, and telling events in recent history, and it gets just no notice.

193 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 2:53:20am

Had to come back. The edits log for Wendy Davis’ Wikipedia page is pretty funny. Among other things her nickname has been “Khaleesi” and her occupation was briefly, “The LeBron James of filibustering.”

194 simoom  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 2:56:02am

“Mr. President, parliamentary inquiry…”

Youtube Video

195 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 2:57:45am

re: #185 Targetpractice

If they were teabaggers waving Don’t Tread On Me flags it would have been OK. Freedom. Less government.

196 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:02:45am

Hey, c’mon guys. This harmless piece of legislation is just all about ‘women’s health’. //

197 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 3:04:14am

“Unruly mobs” of people who aren’t patriotic teabaggers fighting for less government and against DEBT!! //

198 Flounder  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:23:43am

So I was right, Markey defeated Republican Gabriel Gomez, a former Navy SEAL, 55 percent to 45 percent in the Massachusetts special senate election.
What did I win Pat?!
Good morning lizards!

199 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:32:50am

I heard this morning on CBS News that “the filibuster was broken” and “SB5 passed” but then I saw this on Teh Twitters

200 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:41:16am

re: #199 Vicious Babushka

I hope someone in the TX Senate brings up ethics charges against those who tried to change the date stamp on the record. That was a criminal act.

201 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:41:27am

re: #199 Vicious Babushka

I heard this morning on CBS News that “the filibuster was broken” and “SB5 passed” but then I saw this on Teh Twitters

and this:

cbsnews.com

202 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:44:18am

Congratulations to Wendy.

203 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:47:54am

re: #201 Randall Gross

This is what insane teabagging christianist criminals think of women—they compare them to toilets and light bulbs:

“You blood-sucking Democrats need to get out of measuring my toilet size, telling me what light bulbs I can use, measuring the distance from the sink to the toilet, you need to get out of my bedroom, my living room, my bathroom, my car, my private life, my internet, my e-mail, my telephone conversations, any and all facets of my life! You imbecile!”

204 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 4:50:52am

re: #51 engineer cat

rules i like are very important and must be followed to the letter. rules i don’t like, not so much

I have found this to be the mantra of control freaks throughout my life. And most of the time they self identify as ‘conservative’.

205 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:02:16am

I think what happened in Texas last night backs up what I’ve been saying for years. They cannot win unless they lie and cheat and bend or change the rules to suit themselves. And sometimes, briefly, that doesn’t work. This is only round one of many more to come. Not just in Texas. They are determined to throw down whatever shit they can to “win”. There’s lots of money out there backing this shit up too.

My question has always been WHAT will they or have they “won” when they get their way? Because seriously, the country they are trying to create is not going to be a place anyone will want to live in. And that I suspect includes many Republicans. This is utterly terrifying to me. However, I think what these assholes want is for people to become so totally disgusted and afraid that they simply give up. We can’t let that happen.

206 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:07:16am

re: #205 A Mom Anon

They can probably ‘win’ by calling another vote. There’s probably not anyone else who can mount another filibuster like that. Or there may be.

The redistricting now allowed by the strikedown of the VRA is the sort of ‘cheating’ that’s the huge problem. It is going to be difficult to overcome.

207 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:15:09am

REPEATING THE BIG LIE OVER AND OVER

208 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:19:04am

There’s also this tale of a woo meister corrupting a Governor and the first lady of VA:
timesdispatch.com

In the spring of 2011, Virginia first lady Maureen McDonnell flew to New York and was treated to a high-end shopping spree courtesy of Star Scientific CEO Jonnie Williams Sr.
During the trip, McDonnell spent time at the Manhattan showroom of famed designer Oscar de la Renta, where she tried on a suede jacket that cost at least $10,000. Williams put the garment on his tab.
Williams also bought the first lady two pairs of designer shoes, a Louis Vuitton leather handbag and a designer dress, according to sources familiar with the ongoing investigations into her husband, Gov. Bob McDonnell.

209 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:22:44am

re: #206 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I know, I’m not sure what to do about this beyond helping there to be a huge voter turnout when and wherever possible. Minorities and Women need to vote in every single election they can, that might help offset this horseshit. They want us discouraged and disengaged, we cannot give in to that.

I’m sure the Texas Weasels will call another session and try to cram this through again. I hope people there are circling the wagons and preparing for a major crackdown by state police and the like because I suspect that’s the next part of the GOP plan. After yesterday I hope the Texas Dems get their duckies in a row and pull together another filibuster, if Wendy can do it, so can an organized group in the legislature.

210 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:23:01am

re: #192 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Seriously. One of the more dramatic, important, and telling events in recent history, and it gets just no notice.

Our liberal media at work.

211 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:24:24am

re: #198 Flounder

So I was right, Markey defeated Republican Gabriel Gomez, a former Navy SEAL, 55 percent to 45 percent in the Massachusetts special senate election.
What did I win Pat?!
Good morning lizards!

Predicting a liberal would defeat a conservative in one of the most well known blue states out there? I’m afraid the most we can offer is a hearty slap on the back.


Also I really do not see how Gomez’s military career is Germaine to the the discussion.

212 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:25:00am

re: #211 jamesfirecat

Slapping people with hearts can get sticky.

213 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:25:41am

re: #185 Targetpractice

“Unruly mob”? “Occupy tactics”? Seriously?

Give me a fucking break, if positions were reversed, he’d be hailing that “unruly mob” for stopping Democrats from violating the “will of the people.”

Texas state Rep last night:


And now Dewhurst and his unruly mob comments. Don’t you just love how elected officials equate peaceful assembly and fighting for human rights with terrorism and anarchy?

214 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:26:10am

re: #199 Vicious Babushka

I heard this morning on CBS News that “the filibuster was broken” and “SB5 passed” but then I saw this on Teh Twitters

Saddly like most zombies I expect SB5 to rise from its grave again soon, but none the less we have refused to roll over and surrender!

215 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:29:10am

David Dickhead wanted “law and order” in the Senate?

OK, then someone in that body, or a citizen, should have him arrested and tried for changing the date stamp on the vote last night. It’s a felony, and he should not be allowed to get away with that. And there is plenty of proof.

Fight crime? TX should start at the top.

216 BigPapa  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:34:15am

I’ve been working a bunch so haven’t been up to date. But Wendy Fucking Davis FTW.

Theocracy is trying to make a comeback in Texastan.

217 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:38:50am

re: #203 Justanotherhuman

This is what insane teabagging christianist criminals think of women—they compare them to toilets and light bulbs:

“You blood-sucking Democrats need to get out of measuring my toilet size, telling me what light bulbs I can use, measuring the distance from the sink to the toilet, you need to get out of my bedroom, my living room, my bathroom, my car, my private life, my internet, my e-mail, my telephone conversations, any and all facets of my life! You imbecile!”

Which was all conveyed on Facebook. /

218 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:39:57am

Morning Lizardim from the hot and muggy wild north country. Not planning on staying long - I usually try to avoid spending too much time on the insidious LFG when I am at work lest I get yelled at for slacking on company time - but I wanted to offer my hearty congratulations to the sane and rational people in Texas for their hard-fought victory. The saying “Don’t mess with Texas” isn’t to be taken lightly. We here in the People’s Republic of Minnesota salute you.

219 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:41:45am

Has someone in Texas trademarked the “Unruly Mob” t-shirt yet?

220 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:42:03am

Three cheers for Wendy Davis. She truly is heroic.

221 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:46:56am

When teabaggers invade town hall meetings and shout down everyone, they are “patriots”. But pro-choice people are an “unruly mob”. Stay classy.

222 Tigger2  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:50:49am

The Protesters (Terrorist) break out into a (unpatriotic) song to let the Texas Senate know people are watching and to celebrate the Teapublicans loss .

Youtube Video

223 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:53:19am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Has someone in Texas trademarked the “Unruly Mob” t-shirt yet?

With a picture of the republicans crowding up to fake the vote?

224 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:53:53am

re: #222 Tigger2

The Protesters (Terrorist) break out into a (unpatriotic) song to let the Texas Senate know people are watching and to celebrate the Teapublicans loss .

[Embedded content]

Uplifting, great for morale, but in the end this is not how battles are won in US politics. Walker is still governor of Wisconsin despite the bagpipes. The real fight is a house-by-house slog for voter registration and GOTV.

225 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:56:49am

Oh FFS:


The GOP/TP IRS kerfuffle has blown up in his face.

Far from targeting TP groups, the IRS was doing its job in scrutinizing groups seeking exemptions. That’s what the IRS is supposed to be doing, and while the TIGTA found that the IRS used improper search terms to help narrow down those groups for scrutiny, the IRS was investigating hundreds of groups with liberal leanings as well. All without the fanfare and craziness proffered by the TP and Issa.

The IRS is forced to choose where and how to do its job because it lacks the personnel and resources to give every application the kind of scrutiny needed to keep only those groups that are eligible for nonprofit status under 501(c)(4) in the process. That’s on Congress - to either provide more funding or to clarify the rules so that they’re crystal clear on what constitutes political activity that would void the nonprofit status.

226 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:06:11am

And now some of my Republican friends on FB are starting to notice that the GOP is batshit insane.

Maybe some good can come out of this whole debacle in Texas after all.

227 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:06:34am

re: #226 Lidane

And now some of my Republican friends on FB are starting to notice that the GOP is batshit insane.

Maybe some good can come out of this whole debacle in Texas after all.

Whereas my FB wingnuts are just doubling down on the derp. You win some, you lose some.

228 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:11:33am

New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez has been led from his home in handcuffs - NBC News

Earlier, ABC News reported that an arrest warrant was issued for obstruction of justice. That would be in connection with a murder of Oden Lloyd, occurring near his home. His actions since the body was recovered has led to ongoing suspicions, including attempting to destroy his cellphone and security cameras and hiring housekeepers to scrub his home.

It would appear to be an attempt to destroy evidence connecting him to the case.

The guy seems to have some serious anger management issues, plus there are several incidents involving firearms that haven’t led to charges.

229 dragonath  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:13:42am

Well I finally caught up on this from last night.

Damn that was ham handed.

230 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:15:25am

Okay…that was an exciting read. SB5 is dead…long live SB5.

231 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:17:53am

re: #230 darthstar

Okay…that was an exciting read. SB5 is dead…long live SB5.

The TP/GOP in Texas (and other states) will take up that challenge. /Challenge Accepted

They will try again to impose something akin to SB5 elsewhere, and it remains to be seen if other states have legislators like Rep. Wendy Davis who stood up for what she believed in and used the process available to her to thwart what was essentially a back-handed attempt to pass excessive limits on abortion providers outside the regular session protocols.

232 simoom  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:19:21am

ArsTechnica Snowden chat logs (TheTrueHOOHA) ~

arstechnica.com

Paulian:

In the months following the 2008 election, he discussed his embrace of a return to the gold standard and his admiration of its highest-profile champion.

In his more hyperbolic moments, Snowden spoke about the fall of the dollar in near-apocalyptic terms. “It seems like the USD and GBP are both likely to go the way of the zimbabwe dollar,” he suggested in March 2009. “Especially with that cockbag bernanke deciding to magically print 1.2T more dollars.”

< User9> haha did you see ron paul at the latest bailout hearings
< User9> he brought up the gold standard
< TheTrueHOOHA> He’s so dreamy.
< User9> asked if there had been any discussion about that
< TheTrueHOOHA> Got a link?
< User9> no
< User10> Ahh gold standard.. it’ll never happen, harder to manipulate.
< TheTrueHOOHA> That’s kind of a selling point.
< User10> No it’s not
< User11> hahahahhahaah you actually like the gold standard
you dumb baby
< TheTrueHOOHA> I suppose if you’re a fan of runaway inflation and leverage schemes, that’s true.

On social security:

< TheTrueHOOHA> save money? cut this social security bullshit

< TheTrueHOOHA> Somehow, our society managed to make it hundreds of years without social security just fine
< TheTrueHOOHA> you fucking retards
< TheTrueHOOHA> Magically the world changed after the new deal, and old people became made of glass
< TheTrueHOOHA> yeah, that makes sense
< User11> wow
< User11> you are just so fucking stupid
< TheTrueHOOHA> yeah, [User11]. and you’re quite a gem
< User19> TheTrueHOOHA: and magically, life expectancy has doubled in the last 100 years.funny how that works.
< TheTrueHOOHA> [User19], you don’t think modern medicine has something to do with that? no? it’s social security? wow. I guess I missed that.
< User11> hurr wait a second, life expectancy has shot up in recent times along with the dissolution of the communal family unit in exchange for the nuclear family
< User11> gee i guess we might need to create a safety net for the sudden glut of helpless elderly????
< TheTrueHOOHA> they wouldn’t be fucking helpless if you weren’t sending them fucking checks to sit on their ass and lay in hospitals all day
< User11> you are so goddamned stupd*pid
< User11> PUT OLD PEOPLE TO WORK IN THE FIELDS
< TheTrueHOOHA> my grandmother is eighty fucking three this year, and you know what? she still supports herself working as a goddamned hairdresser
< User11> [other user] no after all these years, i can tell when TTH is just being stupid (it’s always)
< TheTrueHOOHA> she doesn’t approve of social security, either
< User11> TheTrueHOOHA: wow i love how your one data point is all the evidence we need
< User11> i for one am convined
< TheTrueHOOHA> maybe when you grow up and actually pay taxes, you’ll understand, [User11].

On leakers:

< TheTrueHOOHA> HOLY SHIT
nytimes.com
< TheTrueHOOHA> WTF NYTIMES
< TheTrueHOOHA> Are they TRYING to start a war?
Jesus christ
they’re like wikileaks
< User19> they’re just reporting, dude.
< TheTrueHOOHA> They’re reporting classified shit
< User19> shrugs
< TheTrueHOOHA> about an unpopular country surrounded by enemies already engaged in a war
and about our interactions with said country regarding planning sovereignity violations of another country
you don’t put that shit in the NEWSPAPER
< User19> meh
< TheTrueHOOHA> moreover, who the fuck are the anonymous sources telling them this?
< TheTrueHOOHA> those people should be shot in the balls.

This exchange is actually quite long, I can’t fit it all. See the article for the rest.

233 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:19:43am
234 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:20:17am

Morning Lizards.

In about 40 minutes, one way or another, shit is going to hit the fan.

Supreme Court expected to rule on same-sex marriage this morning

WASHINGTON — History comes alive at 10 a.m. EDT on Wednesday, as the Supreme Court is set to announce decisions in two standout cases involving same-sex marriage.

235 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:21:18am

re: #224 Decatur Deb

True, but lack of morale leads to defeat. Fired up and ready to go!

236 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:22:21am

Ouch :(

237 simoom  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:25:09am

re: #232 simoom

< TheTrueHOOHA> It’s not an overreaction. They have a HISTORY of this shit
< User19> with flowersand cake.
< User20> [User21]’s mushrooms are :o
< TheTrueHOOHA> these are the same people who blew the whole “we could listen to osama’s cell phone” thingthe same people who screwed us on wiretappingover and over and over againThank god they’re going out of business.
< User19> the NYT?
< TheTrueHOOHA> Hopefully they’ll finally go bankrupt this year.
yeah.

< User19> I enjoy the news.
< User19> Its nice they report on stuff.
< TheTrueHOOHA> I enjoy it when it’s ethical reporting.
< TheTrueHOOHA> political corruption, sure
< TheTrueHOOHA> scandal, yes
< User19> is it unethical to report on the government’s intrigue?
< TheTrueHOOHA> VIOLATING NATIONAL SECURITY? no
< User19> meh.
< User19> national security.
< TheTrueHOOHA> Um, YEEEEEEEEEEEES.
< TheTrueHOOHA> that shit is classified for a reason

< TheTrueHOOHA> Oh you’ve got to be fucking kidding me. Now the NYTimes is going to determine our foreign policy?

Wow, Snowden’s really had a change of heart since 2009.

238 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:26:23am

Someone in the Texas legislature at one point changed the time stamp of the vote for SB5 last night. I’ll assume this is a criminal act?

239 Tigger2  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:28:14am

re: #225 lawhawk

Oh FFS:


The GOP/TP IRS kerfuffle has blown up in his face.

Far from targeting TP groups, the IRS was doing its job in scrutinizing groups seeking exemptions. That’s what the IRS is supposed to be doing, and while the TIGTA found that the IRS used improper search terms to help narrow down those groups for scrutiny, the IRS was investigating hundreds of groups with liberal leanings as well. All without the fanfare and craziness proffered by the TP and Issa.

The IRS is forced to choose where and how to do its job because it lacks the personnel and resources to give every application the kind of scrutiny needed to keep only those groups that are eligible for nonprofit status under 501(c)(4) in the process. That’s on Congress - to either provide more funding or to clarify the rules so that they’re crystal clear on what constitutes political activity that would void the nonprofit status.

Greg Sargent ✔ @ThePlumLineGS

BIG: Darrell Issa now claims he never said White House or Obama campaign were behind IRS targeting: washingtonpost.com


I’m sure there is no video around to show that is a lie.///

240 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:28:57am
241 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:29:15am

re: #238 Dr. Matt

Someone in the Texas legislature at one point changed the time stamp of the vote for SB5 last night. I’ll assume this is a criminal act?

It would be if whoever changed it was a Democrat.

Assuming that whoever changed it was Republican, watch it get excused due to the confusion caused by the unruly mob of terrorists citizens in the rotunda fighting for their rights.

242 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:30:07am
243 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:31:31am

Oooh… karmic rollover in… 3…. 2… 1

244 dragonath  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:32:12am

Heh, the religious folks aren’t hiding it today. Deception’s over.

245 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:33:06am

Heh. Someone’s feeling the pressure:

246 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:34:36am

If the RATS (Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia) plus Kennedy had any sense, they’d strike down DOMA and Prop8 if only to avoid energizing Democrats/Liberals/Progressives any further.

247 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:35:47am

re: #246 Interesting Times

If the RATS (Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia) plus Kennedy had any sense, they’d strike down DOMA and Prop8 if only to avoid energizing Democrats/Liberals/Progressives any further.

Maybe they just need to make a 5-4 decision on DOMA indicating that it is poorly written and that Congress needs to fix it.
//

248 Whack-A-Mole  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:36:00am

re: #237 simoom

Wow, Snowden’s really had a change of heart since 2009…

No, he just utterly lacks any convictions, beliefs, or courage at all.

He attacks them for leaking, then does it himself. He claims it’s because he believes so strongly in the right of free speech and privacy, then flees straight into the arms of countries who truly do suppress those rights. He calls himself (or at least allows himself to be called) a patriot, and then gives classified information to countries whose interests run, in many cases, counter to ours.

He’s a spineless coward and, contrasted to the true patriotism and strength of conviction shown last night by Wendy Davis, I have nothing but utter contempt for him.

249 dragonath  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:37:47am

Lt. Gov Dewhurst:

“An unruly mob, using Occupy Wall Street tactics, disrupted the Senate from protecting unborn babies,” he said.

Hey, they’ve stopped worrying about the “health of the mother”. And oh, protests? Occupy!

250 Tigger2  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:38:15am

re: #246 Interesting Times

If the RATS (Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia) plus Kennedy had any sense, they’d strike down DOMA and Prop8 if only to avoid energizing Democrats/Liberals/Progressives any further.

LOL They have no sense, If they did they wouldn’t be Republicans in the first place.

251 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:40:24am

Well, we’re in the homestretch of the SCt. watch - especially on DOMA and SSM decisions to be handed down today. SCOTUSBlog is going to have running updates, so that’s the place to check for instant outcomes and analysis.

My prognostications on the outcomes? Given yesterday’s hash of the VRA?

I’m leaning towards very narrow rulings in both cases that may see things punted to the courts below, rather than broad rulings that outright extend the right to marry or allow benefits/rights to gay couples.

And if Roberts is ruling, watch for attempting to justify the results on grounds outside what most folks had considered.

That’s what happened with PPACA, it’s what happened yesterday with VRA Section 4 being invalidated (not 5 as many suspected might happen), and it may well happen here too.

252 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:42:07am

re: #249 dragonath

253 dragonath  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:43:33am

re: #251 lawhawk

I dunno. Like the VRA ruling, I think it might be too tempting for the conservative members to just make it go away. And yes, I expect some conniving ruling from Roberts.

254 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:44:18am

re: #232 simoom

ArsTechnica Snowden chat logs (TheTrueHOOHA) ~

arstechnica.com

Paulian:

On social security:

On leakers:

This exchange is actually quite long, I can’t fit it all. See the article for the rest.

You should totally page that.

255 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:44:46am
256 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:45:30am

re: #237 simoom

Wow, Snowden’s really had a change of heart since 2009.

[stalker]WELL SO HAS CHARLES!!!1!!!![/stalker]

257 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:45:45am

Well, SCOTUSBlog has a running poll about what the Court’s likely to do on DOMA. The overwhelming majority think the Court will strike down DOMA. That’s a somewhat encouraging sign (all usual caveats about online polling apply - self selecting, interested parties, etc., but also the audience for SCOTUSBlog is more likely to be lawyers, experts, and those who follow Court activities).

258 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:46:00am

did texas just get messed with?

259 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:46:02am

Remember when Republicans loved “mobs” when they were swarming Democratic townhall meetings held to discuss healthcare?

Good times.

260 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:46:18am

re: #255 Interesting Times

Hey that tweet has a H/T to Gus! I didn’t even notice at first :)

261 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:46:24am

re: #238 Dr. Matt

Someone in the Texas legislature at one point changed the time stamp of the vote for SB5 last night. I’ll assume this is a criminal act?

IOKIYAR

262 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:46:38am

re: #258 SpaceJesus

did texas just get messed with?

Yes, but by Texans.

263 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:47:41am

This is curious. Assange’s lawyer has decided not to represent Snowden for some reason.
Spanish judge says he won’t represent Snowden
And Ecuador is now saying it may take months to decide on Snowden’s asylum application. Maybe his escape plan is falling apart.

264 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:48:10am

Seriously, I hope when the anti-abortion “protecting women’s health” legislation comes up again, protesters will dress in 18th century “patriot” outfits and wave around a bunch of Gadsen Don’t Tread On Me flags.

265 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:48:17am

re: #248 Whack-A-Mole

Well said. And he’s desperately trying to avoid 3 hots and a cot by appealing to countries that don’t have free speech and privacy.

It appears the Ecuadoreans might not want someone exposing their state secrets.

266 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:48:33am

re: #249 dragonath

The mask slipped

267 simoom  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:48:54am

re: #237 simoom

Ah well, I’m off for a bit. My condensing of Snowden’s 2009 chat logs, for folks who don’t want to read through it all ~

On foreign intelligence leakers:

“those people should be shot in the balls” “that shit is classified for a reason”

On Ron Paul:

“He’s so dreamy.”

And on Social Security:

“save money? cut this social security bullshit” “they wouldn’t be fucking helpless if you weren’t sending them fucking checks to sit on their ass and lay in hospitals all day”

I’ll be back in the evening to see what’s happened with the SCOTUS.

268 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:49:01am
269 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:49:23am

re: #258 SpaceJesus

did texas just get messed with?

The Texas GOP tried, but the people fought back. It was awesome.

Of course, they’re going to try again. Perry will call another session and they’ll try to ram this shit through. Next time they’ll also find a way to keep people out of the Rotunda and keep the proceedings behind closed doors so they don’t go through this again.

270 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:49:59am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Conflict of interests? The possibility that Snowden may be kicked back to the US after all? Realizing that Snowden’s defense isn’t much of a defense?

271 dragonath  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:50:01am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Maybe Snowden leaked a file that says Rafael Correa wears neon underwear or something.

272 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:50:36am

re: #240 Interesting Times

Ann Marie has been fire the past 24hrs.

273 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:50:51am

Lawhawk, is this infographic more or less accurate?

274 aagcobb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:50:58am

re: #251 lawhawk

I’ve been assuming Kennedy will write the opinion since he has been the go-to guy on gay rights. A con law professor I was talking to yesterday predicted that the Court would strike down DOMA, on federalism and equal protection grounds, but would affirm Prop 8 on the basis that California provides civil unions for gays which are the functional equivalents of marriage. Best case, Kennedy goes whole hog and rules that bans on ssm are unconstitutional gender discrimination, not that I am expecting such a sweeping decision. We’ll know soon.

275 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:52:51am

Here’s my conspiracy I don’t actually believe:

If the Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage, then, having already struck down the VRA, they’ll have an energetized and fired up bunch of Democrats and Republicans ready to fight really hard in 2014 and put a lot of money into the process.

276 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:52:58am

re: #270 lawhawk

Conflict of interests? The possibility that Snowden may be kicked back to the US after all? Realizing that Snowden’s defense isn’t much of a defense?

It’s hard to tell. could be something as simple as there’s not enough money in it. Assange is spending most of the Wikimoney on his own defense. Maybe the dude just wants to make sure he gets paid.

277 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:57:42am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

It’s hard to tell. could be something as simple as there’s not enough money in it. Assange is spending most of the Wikimoney on his own defense. Maybe the dude just wants to make sure he gets paid.

He might have to make a move pretty quickly because his transit visa is about to expire.

MOSCOW — Time may be running out for U.S. fugitive Edward Snowden to get out of Russia.

The former National Security Agency contractor has been holed up in the transit area of Moscow airport since Sunday, but Snowden may only have been given a Russian transit visa valid for three days, RIA Novosti cited a source close to the case as saying on Wednesday.

“Transit passengers who have a ticket for a connecting flight and documents necessary to enter a third country can get a Russian transit visa,” the source was quoted as saying. “If Snowden has these documents, then he has the right to apply for a transit visa right in the airport, in the consular point, and could well have done that.”

RIA Novosti reported that Snowden had booked two tickets for flights from Moscow to Havana, Cuba, on June 24 and 25, but did not board either flights. If he has not been able to extend his transit visa — assuming he has one, and that it is valid for three days — it may be about to expire.

It is not immediately clear what his legal travel status would be were his transit visa to expire. The U.S. has already revoked his passport and wants Russia to honor an extradition request.

278 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:59:02am
279 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 6:59:38am

CNN: Obamacare Unconstitutional!

280 piratedan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:00:21am

re: #192 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Seriously. One of the more dramatic, important, and telling events in recent history, and it gets just no notice.

goes back to that who decides what is news and how it’s presented to the public theme. Those are the folks that need a bit more spotlight shone on them, they get to deep six anything that they want, silently with no names or motives attached. Much like how the President’s climate change speech wasn’t carried by the major networks and then john q. voter says, well where’s the President commitment to climate change? I haven’t seen anything about it….

281 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:01:13am

re: #273 Interesting Times

Yes, that does cover the major scenarios, other than outright rejections on both cases.

282 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:01:31am

re: #280 piratedan

goes back to that who decides what is news and how it’s presented to the public theme. Those are the folks that need a bit more spotlight shone on them, they get to deep six anything that they want, silently with no names or motives attached. Much like how the President’s climate change speech wasn’t carried by the major networks and then john q. voter says, well where’s the President commitment to climate change? I haven’t seen anything about it….

See you a lot at Balloon Juice. Didn’t know you were a lizard also. :)

283 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:01:36am
284 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:02:00am

DOMA decision up now…

285 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:02:05am

First opinion is DOMA…waiting…

286 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:02:33am

UNCONSTITUTIONAL

287 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:02:41am

5-4 Kennedy.

: Roberts dissents. Scalia dissents. Equal protection.

288 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:02:41am
289 blueraven  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:02:45am

Yay…DOMA is dead

290 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:03:00am

re: #283 Lidane

I hope that the Dems are smart enough to start plastering “Do Nothing Congress” all over the House in a well-timed manner.

291 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:03:04am

DOMA is overturned 5/4 per Kennedy

292 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:03:40am

5-4 DOMA unconstitutional

293 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:04:10am


I can hear the RWNJ bleats from here.

294 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:04:11am

Theocrat heads popping like a bag of microwave Orville Redenbacher.

295 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:04:18am

DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.

Nice. Very nice. That extends federal benefits and protections to gay spouses. It’s huge.

296 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:04:38am

Also, too: my cell phone battery is near death. Recharging. Ugh.

297 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:04:52am

DOMA down. America takes another step towards being America.

298 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:05:19am

Bryan is going to have a hissy fit. Once he stops foaming at the mouth that is.

299 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:05:21am

re: #295 lawhawk

DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.

Nice. Very nice. That extends federal benefits and protections to gay spouses. It’s huge.

So I guess Greenwald will be coming home…

300 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:05:30am

There is limiting language though: “The opinion and its holding are confined to those lawful marriages.”

How much that acts as limiting language? Well, we’re about to find out with the SSM case in CA.

301 Joanne  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:06:33am

DOMA has been struck down.
5-4:DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.

302 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:06:48am

Damned activist judges!

//

303 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:06:59am

DOMA considered “animus”

304 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:07:21am

Yay!

305 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:07:30am
306 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:07:43am
307 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:07:53am

The DOMA opinion:

By seeking to injure the very class New York seeks to protect,
DOMA violates basic due process and equal protection principles applicable to the Federal Government. The Constitution’s guarantee of equality “must at the very least mean that a bare congressional desire to harm a politically unpopular group cannot” justify disparate treatment of that group.

I’m thinking that the Court will hold narrowly in the California case - after all, states do retain right to craft their own definitions of marriage as they see fit.

308 Joanne  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:08:05am

I cannot wait to see Bryan Fisher’s TL today.

The heads, they will be esplodin’!

309 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:08:16am
310 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:08:20am

You might think that this decision will be welcomed by all (who claim to) love liberty, freedom.

311 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:08:29am

If Fed can’t discriminate, then this decision can be used to strick down laws preventing same sex marriage in the States. Fed law trumps.

This bodes well for Prop 8, I hope.

312 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:09:04am
313 geoffm33  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:09:47am

re: #310 Bulworth

You might think that this decision will be welcomed by all (who claim to) love liberty, freedom.

Bwahaha! That’s a good one! ;)

314 aagcobb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:10:06am

re: #269 Lidane

The Texas GOP tried, but the people fought back. It was awesome.

Of course, they’re going to try again. Perry will call another session and they’ll try to ram this shit through. Next time they’ll also find a way to keep people out of the Rotunda and keep the proceedings behind closed doors so they don’t go through this again.

The GOP is being given the rope to hang itself with. The establishment desperately wants to modernize the GOP so that it can compete for minority and female votes. But they long cultivated racists and religious fanatics to get the votes they needed to redistribute wealth to the 1%, and now the inmates control the asylum. They are determined to continue their assault on women’s reproductive rights and minority civil rights, which will make it extremely difficult for the GOP nominee in ‘16 to reach out to those demographic groups. Frankly, if Hillary is the nominee, I expect her to win easily; she might get close to 90% of the single women’s vote.

315 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:10:18am

Edie Windsor—what a woman! Two heroic women in 24 hours—can hardly contain myself.

316 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:11:15am

Roberts and Scalia argue that there was no jurisdiction.

317 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:11:16am

Does this mean that Edie Windsor gets her $360k+ back? And if so, it is automatic or does she have to do some sort of legal gymnastics?

318 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:11:32am

re: #315 Justanotherhuman

Edie Windsor—what a woman! Two heroic women in 24 hours—can hardly contain myself.

Three. Edie Windsor, Wendy Davis, and Leticia Van De Putte.

319 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:11:32am

re: #310 Bulworth

You might think that this decision will be welcomed by all (who claim to) love liberty, freedom.

re: #313 geoffm33

Bwahaha! That’s a good one! ;)

Like the citizen involvement in the Texas Assembly, taking advantage of their First Amendment rights.

320 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:11:39am

Rod Dreher will haz a sad big time today on this one.

321 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:12:33am

re: #320 celticdragon

Crunchy cons haz frown

322 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:12:37am

BRYAN’S MELTDOWN HAS COMMENCED:

323 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:13:12am

abcnews.go.com

ABC reporting that Putin says Snowden’s clock has run out; it’s time to go.

324 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:13:15am

Looks like prop 8 case will be dismissed on standing, meaning that the 9th court ruling will stand.

325 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:13:19am

re: #322 Vicious Babushka

INEVITABLE!!!

You mean we don’t have all those things already? Teh gay marriage has been legal in several places for years now.

326 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:13:30am

Based on DOMA, it may be that Prop 8 gets whacked with a 5-4 (Kennedy again), and the dissent rests on standing once again as their objection, rather than on the merits.

327 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:13:31am

re: #318 Lidane

I stand corrected! Yes, better. : ) And there will be more.

328 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:13:39am

10:12
Amy Howe: To be clear, the Court has not yet released the decision in Prop 8, but there is language in Windsor telegraphing that the Court will dismiss on standing.

329 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:14:02am

re: #323 wheat-dogghazi

Oh well….Ecuduar/Brazil/Venezuela here he comes

330 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:14:15am

re: #322 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN’S MELTDOWN HAS COMMENCED:

AMERICA IZ DOOMED:

331 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:14:26am

re: #322 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN’S MELTDOWN HAS COMMENCED:

Bryan wants so very much to be normal. /

332 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:14:45am

re: #330 Lidane

Because teh ghey aren’t people.

333 makeitstop  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:15:30am

re: #330 Lidane

AMERICA IZ DOOMED:

Ah, delicious wingnut tears in the morning.

Tastes like…. victory.

334 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:15:45am

re: #331 abolitionist

Bryan want so very much to be normal. /

He lost his luggage boy at the airport and his wide stance was not noticed in the men’s room, so he is a bit cranky today.

335 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:16:02am

re: #329 Bulworth

Oh well….Ecuduar/Brazil/Venezuela here he comes

Ecuador says his asylum request may take months to be decided. His options are running out, and he still has no valid passport. Sucks to be him. //

336 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:16:31am

re: #330 Lidane

337 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:16:41am

Anyone hear the dissents?

338 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:17:15am
339 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:17:20am
340 Whack-A-Mole  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:17:24am

re: #330 Lidane

Yes Bryan, we are no longer a constitutional republic because a decision was rendered through the legally appropriate, constitutionally proscribed means instead of by shady late night, clock ignoring shenanigans.

341 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:17:50am

I think they’re going to dismiss Prop 8 on standing.

342 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:17:52am

re: #330 Lidane

With the DOMA decision, we have ceased to be a constitutional republic. The words “We the People” are now meaningless.
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer)

So we’ve become….what? A secular sharia radical islamic anarchic atheist dictatorship?

343 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:19:07am
With the DOMA decision, we have ceased to be a constitutional republic. The words “We the People” are now meaningless.
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer)

See what happens when the Court/Congress/President/States/regular people do something Bryan doesn’t like?

344 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:19:22am
345 Mattand  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:19:23am

re: #337 Dr. Matt

Anyone hear the dissents?

If I’m interpreting SCOTUS Blog correctly, Scalia wrote a lengthy dissent.

In other words, he’s having the mother of all hissy fits because people are being treated equally.

This should be fun.

346 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:19:42am
347 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:19:44am

re: #342 Bulworth

So we’ve become….what? A secular sharia radical islamic anarchic atheist dictatorship?

New Sodom.

348 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:19:48am

re: #336 lawhawk

We The People means just Bryan and Michelle Bachmann.

349 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:20:06am

re: #335 wheat-dogghazi

Ecuador says his asylum request may take months to be decided. His options are running out, and he still has no valid passport. Sucks to be him. //

Probably goes to Iceland. We really pissed all over Iceland back in 2007 with a nasty case where one of their citizen’s was fucked over pretty bad at JFK intnl immigration and then sent back in chains, literally. The PM called our ambassador on the carpet and we refused to apologize for humiliating and abusing a 5 foot four woman who had over stayed a visa back in the 90’s for a couple of days. It was big news in Iceland, and it is almost certainly still remembered.

350 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:20:14am

re: #342 Bulworth

So we’ve become….what? A secular sharia radical islamic anarchic atheist dictatorship?

And a fabulous one at that.

351 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:21:09am

re: #330 Lidane

AMERICA IZ DOOMED:

Actually, Bryan, white evangelicals are less than 1/5 of the population of this country, so “We The People” was exactly what was enforced in this ruling. The vast majority of us don’t have to live according to your arcane social mores.

352 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:21:11am

Hey y’all! Did you know that POTUS has been replaced as the big evil tyrant?

353 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:22:04am
354 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:22:04am

re: #352 Lidane

All 315 million people forced to be gay married. //

355 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:22:24am

re: #345 Mattand

Scalia’s dissent ran to 26 pages. Much hissy, much to fit. And real curious considering Roberts and Scalia both saw to voiding Section 4 of the VRA yesterday without a solid legal or factual basis (which was reconfirmed as states began immediately moving towards new restrictions on voting where they had previously required preclearance).

356 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:22:35am

Next decision coming…

357 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:22:38am

re: #352 Lidane

Tyranny!!

358 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:23:12am
359 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:23:14am

re: #355 lawhawk

Scalia’s dissent ran to 26 pages. Much hissy, much to fit.

The Roger Taney of the 21st century.

360 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:24:17am

re: #352 Lidane

Waitwaitwait, I thought Roberts was the unelected tyrant for forcing ACA on us, which will make us a socialistnaziislamicatheist hellhole….

361 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:24:32am

re: #359 Ian G.

The Roger Taney of the 21st century.

Tywin Lannister really should have been played by Scalia. He would have been the perfect person for the role.

362 piratedan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:24:40am

re: #282 celticdragon

See you a lot at Balloon Juice. Didn’t know you were a lizard also. :)

Try to hang out where the sane peeps are. Really like both sites, each has their own charm and I get enlightened and educated at each. While Charles and John aren’t in lockstep on everything, nor do I agree with everything said, both of them demonstrate a willingness to learn and still be opinionated and passionate about what’s right politically.

363 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:24:57am

re: #352 Lidane

Hey y’all! Did you know that POTUS has been replaced as the big evil tyrant?

Majority decisions — how the fuck do they work?

364 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:25:05am

We have an intervening case between DOMA and Prop 8.

A second circuit case, Sekhar v. US., addressing the [not Roy] Hobbs Act, is reversed on unanimous grounds.

365 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:25:14am

re: #359 Ian G.

The Roger Taney of the 21st century.

If the Dems can’t keep their shit together through 2016, he could be the next Chief Justice.

366 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:25:51am

Getting other states to recognize your marriage from another is going to be an uphill slog.

Barney Frank explaining on MSNBC. The DOMA decision won’t work miracles, but you’ll have Fed protection.

367 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:26:07am

re: #365 Decatur Deb

If the Dems can’t keep their shit together through 2016, he could be the next Chief Justice.

Not likely, since he is getting on in years and Roberts is just out of his 40’s.

368 Tigger2  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:26:12am

re: #352 Lidane

Hey y’all! Did you know that POTUS has been replaced as the big evil tyrant?

The republicans tears over this ruling will make the floods from sandy look shallow.

369 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:27:08am

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

Getting other states to recognize your marriage from another is going to be an uphill slog.

Barney Frank explaining on MSNBC. The DOMA decision won’t work miracles, but you’ll have Fed protection.

It should be a lot easier to get that settled. however, with DOMA gone.

370 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:27:14am

re: #322 Vicious Babushka

371 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:27:20am

10:26
Amy Howe: The decision of the Ninth Circuit is vacated and remanded.

372 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:27:59am

Perry - lack of standing to appeal.

That’s going to get kicked back to start anew.

373 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:28:04am
374 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:28:11am

re: #369 celticdragon

Be prepared for 50 House votes over the next year for a Constitutional Amendment banning ssm. Because freedom and less government. //

375 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:28:14am

re: #367 celticdragon

Not likely, since he is getting on in years and Roberts is just out of his 40’s.

If I relied on actuarial tables I’d have stopped buying milk in gallons by now.

376 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:28:30am

The line up is 5-4: Kennedy dissents, joined by Thomas, Alito, and Sotomayor.

377 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:29:00am

re: #374 Bulworth

Be prepared for 50 House votes over the next year for a Constitutional Amendment banning ssm. Because freedom and less government. //

The Republican Party: We believe you should have the FREEDOM™ to do exactly as we tell you to.

378 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:29:17am

re: #376 lawhawk

The line up is 5-4: Kennedy dissents, joined by Thomas, Alito, and Sotomayor.

To be clear, Sotomayor dissenting just means she doesn’t agree they don’t have standing, right?

379 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:29:18am

re: #374 Bulworth

50 votes on SSM?

Where will they ever find the time to repeal PPACA? /And what about the jobs?!!?

380 piratedan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:29:25am

re: #330 Lidane

AMERICA IZ DOOMED:

well he could always go to Ecuador, bastion of personal freedoms….

381 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:29:36am

re: #376 lawhawk

This the Prop 8 ruling?

382 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:29:37am
383 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:29:53am

MOAR BUTTHURT FLAMING MELTDOWN: Pamela Geller has been banned from entering the UK.

384 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:29:59am

re: #374 Bulworth

Be prepared for 50 House votes over the next year for a Constitutional Amendment banning ssm. Because freedom and less government. //

I doubt it. The GOP leadership, at least, knows this war is over. Sure, Louie Gomer might introduce a bill here and there, in between his efforts to fight Islamist who look and act like Latinos, but it won’t go anywhere.

385 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:30:10am

10:28
Amy Howe: From the opinion: We have never before upheld the standing of a private party to defend the constitutionality of a state statute when state officials have chosen not to. We decline to do so for the first time here.

10:28
Amy Howe: The Ninth Circuit was without jurisdiciton to consider the appeal. The judgment of the Ninth Circuit is vacated, and the case is remanded with instructions to dismiss the appeal for lack of jurisdiction.

386 Joanne  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:30:35am

re: #379 lawhawk

50 votes on SSM?

Where will they ever find the time to repeal PPACA? /And what about the jobs?!!?

Jobs only come from the uterus. Nowhere else, and in no other fashion.

TeamUteri! FTW!

387 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:31:15am

re: #383 Vicious Babushka

Creeping Sharia law jihad has won. //

388 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:31:22am

re: #378 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The Court found on a procedural issue. She might have wanted to find on the merits. We’ll have to wait to see the opinion to know what she was thinking - and why the others ruled as they did.

The opinion: Hollingsworth v. Perry.

389 Mattand  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:31:31am

re: #386 Joanne

Jobs only come from the uterus. Nowhere else, and in no other fashion.

TeamUteri! FTW!

Well, the womb is the ultimate creation device…

390 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:31:50am

re: #381 Bulworth

That it is.

391 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:31:57am

re: #383 Vicious Babushka

MOAR BUTTHURT SHRIEKS: Pamela Geller has been banned from entering the UK.

Damn! Today has so far been filled with GOOD news.

392 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:32:19am

Holy shit! The 9th circuit is also invalidated and the original trial judge finding stands…

393 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:34:01am

Anybody tuned into the National Organization Against For Marriage (NOM) Twitter account?

394 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:34:39am

Banned in “Britian” LOL Pamela’s creative spelling

395 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:34:52am

re: #388 lawhawk

And that’s exactly what is going on here. The dissent thought that there was sufficient grounds on which to rule on the merits (that the parties had sufficient standing).

This probably goes to how the horse trading went behind the scenes among the justices to get to a majority opinion. They were able to find a majority on lack of standing, whereas they couldn’t get to a majority on the merits (whether or not Prop 8 was constitutional or not).

396 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:35:08am

re: #393 Bulworth

Anybody tuned into the National Organization Against For Marriage (NOM) Twitter account?

Freep thread went to 100 comments in 21 minutes. Most not congratulatory.

397 GeneJockey  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:35:47am

re: #394 Vicious Babushka

Banned in “Britian” LOL Pamela’s creative spelling

You know Amercians can’t spell.

398 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:35:48am

re: #393 Bulworth

Anybody tuned into the National Organization Against For Marriage (NOM) Twitter account?

That got nom nom’d by the running zombies from World war Z….

399 Mattand  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:35:58am

re: #396 Decatur Deb

Freep thread went to 100 comments in 21 minutes. Most not congratulatory.

Understatement of the Day candidate?

400 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:36:49am

re: #399 Mattand

Understatement of the Day candidate?

“Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Lord, please take me quickly and do not prolong my suffering for the sins of my countrymen.”

401 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:37:08am
402 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:37:16am

re: #396 Decatur Deb

Freep thread went to 100 comments in 21 minutes. Most not congratulatory.

How many have vowed to move to Russia or Ecuador over this decision?

403 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:37:54am

re: #400 Decatur Deb

“Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Lord, please take me quickly and do not prolong my suffering for the sins of my countrymen.”

I second this request, Lord.

404 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:38:19am

re: #398 celticdragon

Did you intend to downding my #370? AngryBlackLady is mocking Bryan Fischer, not endorsing him.

405 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:38:21am

Right-wing meltdowns a plenty:

406 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:38:47am

re: #405 Dr. Matt

407 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:39:21am

re: #406 Interesting Times

OUCH! hahaha Awesome retort.

408 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:39:44am

re: #405 Dr. Matt

Of course, he and his house are perfectly free to follow “God’s law” as they understand it.

409 Mattand  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:39:47am

re: #400 Decatur Deb

“Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Lord, please take me quickly and do not prolong my suffering for the sins of my countrymen.”

Man. I’m guessing that’s one of the more rational responses.

In that poster’s case, all I have to say is, “Good riddance.”

If it makes the guy feel any better, the court okayed racial discrimination yesterday. That should cheer him up.

410 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:40:44am
411 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:41:20am
412 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:41:54am

re: #408 Bulworth

Of course. Does he make his wife sleep in a tent outside during her menstrual cycle? If not, he should be stoned to death.

413 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:42:50am

So, the folks now worrying about God’s will being overturned, that the sanctity of marriage has been dimmed, or other such statements, will now return to their regularly scheduled adultery, divorcing, loveless marriages, and domestic abuse (to say nothing of violating any number of other Biblical precepts like consuming trayf, improper haircuts, and improper garments).

414 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:43:41am

re: #412 Dr. Matt

Todd hasn’t read that part of the Bible yet. /

415 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:44:39am
416 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:44:40am

Neither can Supreme Court judges….

417 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:45:44am

re: #413 lawhawk

So, the folks now worrying about God’s will being overturned, that the sanctity of marriage has been dimmed, or other such statements, will now return to their regularly scheduled adultery, divorcing, loveless marriages, and domestic abuse (to say nothing of violating any number of other Biblical precepts like consuming trayf, improper haircuts, and improper garments).

Todd is as all other Christians are.

“We follow God’s Laws — except for the ones we don’t like. He was just kidding about those.”

I contend that we are all atheists. I just choose to ignore ALL of God’s word, instead of just the parts I don’t agree with or find inconvenient for my lifestyle.

418 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:46:20am

Ha, I just tried this, it’s real!

419 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:46:37am
420 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:47:03am
421 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:47:43am

re: #301 Joanne

DOMA has been struck down.
5-4:DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.

Hooray!

422 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:50:21am

re: #419 Vicious Babushka

Imagine how many people are getting married in California today.

It’s really funny. Conservatives being mad about a ton of people happily, eagerly getting married.

423 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:51:20am

re: #422 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Imagine how many people are getting married in California today.

It’s really funny. Conservatives being made about a ton of people happily, eagerly getting married.

I presume this is also good news for divorce lawyers and the related industry.

424 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:51:25am

re: #422 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Imagine how many people are getting married in California today.

It’s really funny. Conservatives being made about a ton of people happily, eagerly getting married.

Just as they get angry about a ton of people happily, eagerly worshiping god/gods.

It’s not the right god. Just like it isn’t the right kind of marriage.

425 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:52:06am

re: #406 Interesting Times

I know I wouldn’t want to mess with Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She has to be pretty tough to have gotten where she did on the legal career totem pole, given the sexism that must have been rampant back in her day (and anti-semitism too, I imagine). I’m guessing the idea of a woman on the Supreme Court was a fairy tale back when she was entering law school.

426 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:52:10am

re: #310 Bulworth

You might think that this decision will be welcomed by all (who claim to) love liberty, freedom.

It would, except than when most people talk about freedom they’re really talking about power.

So this limit on their power is going to make them very angry (huff, huff, huff) very angry indeed.

427 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:52:23am

re: #424 GunstarGreen

Just as they get angry about a ton of people happily, eagerly worshiping god/gods.

It’s not the right god. Just like it isn’t the right kind of marriage.

In many cases supposedly the same God. However, it’s not putting their lives and contributions under their control - therefore it’s wrong.

428 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:52:42am

re: #424 GunstarGreen

It’s so fucking hot today or I’d totally schlep down to the Village. There’s a local gay bar, I may pop in and buy a round.


(if it’s not that crowded.)

430 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:53:47am

Kevin Russell:
There will be much further discussion and analysis about how the decision in Perry affects other couples in California. For the time being, we will say this: the Supreme Court has dismissed the appeal challenging a final order from the trial court. It would appear, then, that the order will go into effect. And it appears that this final order purports to prohibit the Attorney General and the Governor from enforcing Prop. 8.

There could well be new challenges to the scope of that order. But for the time being, the order appears to be in effect and to prevent enforcement of Proposition 8 statewide.

431 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:54:43am

re: #422 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s really funny. Conservatives being mad about a ton of people happily, eagerly getting married.

It’s probably jealousy. I look around the various right-wingers in public these days and I don’t see a lot of happy marriages.

432 Joanne  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:55:22am

re: #426 Romantic Heretic

It would, except than when most people talk about freedom they’re really talking about power.

I disagree. Freedom is tossed around for a multitude of reasons, but for many, freedom is everyone doing what you want them to.

433 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:56:02am

re: #431 Ian G.

It’s probably jealousy. I look around the various right-wingers in public these days and I don’t see a lot of happy marriages.

Too much open denial of the efficiency and propriety of absolute (white) patriarchal authority for their taste.

434 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:58:02am
435 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 7:58:08am

One of my idiot wingnut cousins is derping this morning about how people need to convince him with FACTS and not LAWS that “the will of the people” (i.e., Prop 8 and DOMA) should be struck down.

*sigh*

436 Tigger2  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:00:09am

re: #434 Vicious Babushka

That’s funny Bryan back in those days men could have multiple wives, your one woman and one man is bullshit.

437 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:01:57am

Bryan’s and Pamela’s tears are so delicious!

438 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:02:51am

I have the feeling that the RWNJs are as gobsmacked by the DOMA and Prop 8 rulings as Mittens was when he lost the election.

439 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:02:59am

re: #397 GeneJockey

You know Amercians can’t spell.

That’s because words are spelled the way True Americans™ decide they are spelled. ///

440 aagcobb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:03:53am

re: #425 Ian G.

I know I wouldn’t want to mess with Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She has to be pretty tough to have gotten where she did on the legal career totem pole, given the sexism that must have been rampant back in her day (and anti-semitism too, I imagine). I’m guessing the idea of a woman on the Supreme Court was a fairy tale back when she was entering law school.

When I started my legal career, I worked at a law firm which had been founded by two lawyers, one jewish and one christian, in a mid-sized Indiana town. Only the Christian could join the country club to schmooze with their clients.

441 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:05:17am

re: #408 Bulworth

Of course, he and his house are perfectly free to follow “God’s law” as they understand make it up.

FTFY.

442 geoffm33  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:05:44am

re: #434 Vicious Babushka

Since the dawn of time? Huh. He must’ve gotten pretty bored waiting for the first homo sapiens to execute that definition of marriage.

443 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:07:16am

re: #442 geoffm33

Since the dawn of time? Huh. He must’ve gotten pretty bored waiting for the first homo sapiens to execute that definition of marriage.

Polygamy in Judaism was not banned until about 1000 CE, and then only for Ashkenazi Jews.

444 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:08:11am

Why it’s a good idea to have someone proofread legal documents carefully: the State Department listed the wrong middle name for Edward Snowden in its extradition request to Hong Kong. Its delay in replying to HK’s request for clarification gave Snowden just enough time to split for Russia. blogs.wsj.com

445 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:08:46am

Nice to wake up to the court striking down DOMA.

446 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:08:47am

re: #441 Romantic Heretic

FTFY.

It was on Commandments XI-XV before Moses dropped them.
/ ;)

447 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:09:05am

OK, Bryan, now that we’re no longer living in a Constitutional Republic, what happens? Is Congress now to be dissolved, along with the SCOTUS and all executive departments and officers? How does this work at the state level? Are our states still Constitutional Republics? //

448 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:09:11am

re: #443 Vicious Babushka

Polygamy in Judaism was not banned until about 1000 CE, and then only for Ashkenazi Jews.

Which reminds me, I need to call my history mentor. She just retired from Guilford college and claims the title of my “Jewish mom” :)

449 Tigger2  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:10:31am

re: #447 Bulworth

OK, Bryan, now that we’re no longer living in a Constitutional Republic, what happens? Is Congress now to be dissolved, along with the SCOTUS and all executive departments and officers? How does this work at the state level? Are our states still Constitutional Republics? //

The members of the know nothing party don’t think that far ahead.

450 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:11:56am

So how many idiot wingnuts have said that this decision means we’re now like Nazi Germany because you know the Nazis were so pro gay and the court’s two Jewish justices ruled that DOMA was unconstitutional.

451 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:14:07am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

So how many idiot wingnuts have said that this decision means we’re now like Nazi Germany because you know the Nazis were so pro gay and the court’s two Jewish justices ruled that DOMA was unconstitutional.

Haven’t seen that, but a Freeper is blaming the 3 lesbians on the USSC.

452 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:14:37am

Looks like Markey ended up winning in MA last night by the 10 point margin that the polls had largely indicated. Not nearly as close as the GOPers had wished for.

453 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:14:46am

re: #431 Ian G.

It’s probably jealousy. I look around the various right-wingers in public these days and I don’t see a lot of happy marriages.

There’s something to this. Fundamentalists as a whole have a hard time being happy with their lives, what with demons waiting around every corner to ambush them and Evil People trying to destroy Christianity in the world. Fundie churches are subject to as high or higher divorce rates as the “heathen public”. Seeing other people happy just kinda makes them see green.

454 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:14:54am

Wife just texted me…there is a bank robber on the loose in my neighborhood.

455 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:15:15am

re: #308 Joanne

I cannot wait to see Bryan Fisher’s TL today.

The heads, they will be esplodin’!

When there’s nothing inside, their heads implode.

456 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:15:38am

t.co

457 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:15:47am

re: #454 NJDhockeyfan

Wife just texted me…there is a bank robber on the loose in my neighborhood.

Be careful!

458 krypto  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:15:51am

re: #444 wheat-dogghazi

Why it’s a good idea to have someone proofread legal documents carefully: the State Department listed the wrong middle name for Edward Snowden in its extradition request to Hong Kong. Its delay in replying to HK’s request for clarification gave Snowden just enough time to split for Russia. blogs.wsj.com

And if it weren’t a misspelled word, it would have been a claim that he’s not really in Hong Kong because he is in a transit area, or because an “i” wasn’t dotted properly, or because the documents were received while the chief administrator of something or other was away from his office.

If Hong Kong administrators didn’t want to invent an excuse, they would have simply taken Snowdon into custody first and waited for the corrected document next, that is, if they ever really cared about the wrong middle initial in the first place.

459 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:16:26am

re: #454 NJDhockeyfan

Wife just texted me…there is a bank robber on the loose in my neighborhood.

Have you moved yet?

460 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:16:30am

GLOBAL WARMING WILL DESTROY US ALL!!

461 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:17:14am

Rod Dreher:

Scalia has chillingly illuminated the future for marriage traditionalists: the only reason to oppose same-sex marriage is hate. In constitutional law, there is no rational basis for supporting traditional marriage. Henceforth, the Court has declared open season on religious and social conservatives and their institutions. Given the majority’s holding that hatred is the only plausible explanation for denying same-sex marriage, I see no reason why the Supreme Court will not declare same-sex marriage a constitutional right.

And the logic of the Court’s language here ought to put fear into the hearts of anyone who does not share the belief that homosexuality is morally neutral, or morally good. The Supreme Court says we are haters, full stop. You know the liberal mind: thoughtcrime cannot be allowed to exist. How can the federal government maintain a tax exemption for churches that hew to the Biblical teaching on homosexuality, given that the Supreme Court now has put opposition to homosexuality in the same category as racism? We live in interesting times.

Yes, Rod. The guys with fabulous window treatments are coming to take you to the FEMA camp for interior design re-education.

462 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:17:33am

re: #460 Vicious Babushka

GLOBAL WARMING WILL DESTROY US ALL!!

Her Lord is a spiteful bastid.

463 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:17:36am

re: #460 Vicious Babushka

GLOBAL WARMING WILL DESTROY US ALL!!

Dammit, people, I told you Teh Ghey would be the end of civilization as we knew it.///

464 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:17:50am

re: #451 Decatur Deb

Haven’t seen that, but a Freeper is blaming the 3 lesbians on the USSC.

Just checking since Pat B. was claiming yesterday that allowing women to serve in combat makes us worse than them.

465 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:17:51am

re: #459 Decatur Deb

Have you moved yet?

Not yet. We close on the house on August 14th.

466 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:17:51am

re: #462 wrenchwench

Her Lord is a spiteful bastid.

I’m glad I don’t worship a God like that.

467 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:18:02am

re: #434 Vicious Babushka

From American Taliban Bloviator:

God defined marriage at the dawn of time as one man and one woman. What God has defined, the Supreme Court may not redefine.

Where to begin? First, as Vicious Babushka pointed out, it’s factually incorrect to say that God defined marriage as one man and one woman, if the Bible is any indication of what God defines. Second, the Supreme Court has made the decision in this secular Republic with its wall of separation between Church and State. Bryan can define marriage however he wants in his Church. It has no bearing on the state.

So much fail in so little space. I’m thinking of this: Youtube Video

468 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:19:03am

re: #457 prairiefire

Be careful!

Bank Robbery in Nelson County

BREAKING NEWS:

Nelson County Sheriff’s Office are investigating a bank robbery at the BB&T on Route 151.

Investigators have deployed a helicopter in the area as they search for the suspect.

Virgina State Police are assisting Nelson County officers in the case.

CBS19 has a crew on the scene and will be updating this story as information is confirmed.

My wife said there are police cars all over our road.

469 Tigger2  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:19:06am

re: #460 Vicious Babushka

GLOBAL WARMING WILL DESTROY US ALL!!

I hope someone tweets back BULLSHIT at that dumbass.

470 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:19:12am

re: #466 thedopefishlives

I’m glad I don’t worship a God like that.

Me too! :)

471 calochortus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:19:59am

Just a drive-by to say “Yay!”
We’re going to be up in SF on Sunday, and I was whining about the fact the Pride Parade will be that day (parking will be impossible.) However, with the rulings today, I say-Party On. We’ll just take public transit and do a little walking. Love trumps parking. ;)

BBL

472 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:20:02am

I am so very happy! Today is a brighter day!Youtube Video

George Michael Freedom ‘90!!!!!

473 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:20:03am

re: #461 celticdragon

Rod Dreher:

Yes, Rod. The guys with fabulous window treatments are coming to take you to the FEMA camp for interior design re-education.

Simple Rod. Want people to stop calling you a bigot? Stop using your time, money, and resources to tell people like Edie Windsor who have been in loving relationships that they’re not entitled to the same equality under the law simply because your religious beliefs don’t approve of homosexuality. But please tell us how this makes you the victim. I know the people who were told they could no long segregate their schools based off of race felt the same.

474 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:20:10am

re: #458 krypto

Oh, for sure. It’s a convenient, bureaucratic excuse to save face and get Snowden out of their hair. From what I read, Beijing told the HK government (and Snowden, it seems) that it was time for him to go. But State could have been more careful with his name.

475 steve_davis  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:20:56am

re: #317 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Does this mean that Edie Windsor gets her $360k+ back? And if so, it is automatic or does she have to do some sort of legal gymnastics?

If it’s like me on a separate issue, she’ll get a very thin envelope from the IRS saying “you owe __0__ dollars.”

476 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:21:01am

re: #454 NJDhockeyfan

Wife just texted me…there is a bank robber on the loose in my neighborhood.

Better close the vault door down in the sub sub sub basement …

477 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:23:22am
478 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:24:10am

re: #476 wheat-dogghazi

Better close the vault door down in the sub sub sub basement …

She’s putting a cover over the Lamborghini Veneno as we speak.

479 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:25:04am

re: #460 Vicious Babushka

Because of #SCOTUS ruling, the last ounce morality in US is gone. The Lord’s hand of protection has been lifted. #tcot #lnyhbt

Dang, and we had all those tons of morality built up between 1776-1860.

480 darthstar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:26:26am
481 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:26:50am

re: #479 jaunte

Dang, and we had all those tons of morality built up between 1776-1860.

What’s sad is many of them feel that the country’s “golden age” was then because Lincoln “ruined everything.” Yeah damn him seriously taking Jefferson’s words about all men being created equally.

482 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:27:30am

re: #480 darthstar

This’ll make him more of a hero to some, because he’s a convert. Some people love converts.

483 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:27:50am
484 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:27:53am

re: #480 darthstar

Kid looks more and more like a blatant opportunist than a disillusioned idealist everyday.

485 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:28:29am

re: #460 Vicious Babushka

God’s hand must have been busy elsewhere when all those hurricanes, twisters, floods and wildfires hit the USA recently.

486 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:28:35am

In other news, David Sirota is still angry outraged about the NSA and CIA and we should listen to Frank Church. Way to be a buzzkill there, David.

487 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:28:40am

re: #483 jaunte

They need something to pass in order to balance out all those ACA repeals.
/

488 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:29:37am

re: #481 HappyWarrior

What’s sad is many of them feel that the country’s “golden age” was then because Lincoln “ruined everything.” Yeah damn him seriously taking Jefferson’s words about all men being created equally.

For varying definitions of “men”, apparently. Those of us who take the figurative view are obviously not reading it in the proper context of “privileged white Christian males”.

489 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:31:18am

re: #488 thedopefishlives

For varying definitions of “men”, apparently. Those of us who take the figurative view are obviously not reading it in the proper context of “privileged white Christian males”.

Yeah well they’re fucking morons. This ruling is another step forward. Really if anyone is threatened by gay couples getting married and the same rights that you and I as heterosexuals may get under the law, then they’re morons who should be derided.

490 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:32:02am

re: #461 celticdragon

Crunchy con is soggy

491 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:32:53am

re: #483 jaunte

Ha, don’t give them ideas because you know that’s crossing some of their minds right now. I am actually interested in seeing how they respond considering their response to ACA was to continue to press for its repeal while its signer is still in office. I expect that with DOMA, they’ll try something similar even though the president with the justice department that argued against DOMA is still in office.

492 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:33:11am

re: #460 Vicious Babushka

We’re supposed to take someone with a ? at the end of their Twitters handle seriously? //

493 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:34:38am

re: #461 celticdragon

Shorter Dreher: the SCOTUS totally rebuffed our completely nonsensical arguments about traditional marriage.

494 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:34:48am

re: #462 wrenchwench

Her Lord is a spiteful bastid.

I’m guessing He looks something like this.

Image: lobo-dc-lip.jpeg

495 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:35:10am

If I was a party planner in California today, I would be very, very happy.

496 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:35:50am
497 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:35:57am

Today Antonin Scalia is just horrified at the role of the Supreme Court:

“That is jaw-dropping. It is an assertion of judicial supremacy over the people’s Representatives in Congress and the Executive. It envisions a Supreme Court standing (or rather enthroned) at the apex of government, empowered to decide all constitutional questions, always and everywhere ‘primary’ in its role.”

498 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:37:29am

re: #497 jaunte

Today Antonin Scalia is just horrified at the role of the Supreme Court:

Why, he should resign rather than continue to participate in such a travesty!

499 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:37:42am

re: #497 jaunte

Today Antonin Scalia is just horrified at the role of the Supreme Court:

Uh Antonin didn’t you basically use your power as a judge to weaken the Voting Rights Act? Thanks though. Do you think it was judicial tyranny for the Warren Court to tell people they could now marry outside their race without it being a crime?

500 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:37:52am

re: #492 Bulworth

We’re supposed to take someone with a ? at the end of their Twitters handle seriously? //

It’s a star, maybe your browser doesn’t support that character and renders it as ?

501 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:38:29am

re: #497 jaunte

Today Antonin Scalia is just horrified at the role of the Supreme Court:

502 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:38:45am

re: #499 HappyWarrior

Being “enthroned at the apex of government” means you don’t have to be logically consistent.

503 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:38:54am

re: #495 prairiefire

If I was a party planner in California today, I would be very, very happy.

Wedding planners, too.

re: #497 jaunte

Today Antonin Scalia is just horrified at the role of the Supreme Court:

Wait. I thought this question was settled with Marbury v Madison (1803). Scalia rejects judicial review??

504 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:39:14am

re: #491 HappyWarrior

The focus will be not on the feds, but at the state level - pushing the states to clearly state that marriage is between a man and a woman.

The DOMA decision clearly shows deference to states (10th Amendment states’ rights) to determine for themselves the definition of marriage.

States are free to make that determination. Some have opted to extend SSM. Others have maintained specific prohibitions against anything but a heterosexual marriage. The GOP will focus on expanding that group.

If they seek a fight on federal grounds, they run right into their states’ rights 10th Amendment fire-breathers who demand that the states be the ones to define marriage (as well as most everything else they can think of).

The Perry decision also shows that the states have the right to define marriage, but it also indicates a path for legal challenges down the road. They ruled on the issue of standing, and if parties can figure out how to meet the standing requirement, they’d be able to challenge efforts like Prop 8 or others across the nation and seek rehearing in the Supreme Court down the road.

505 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:39:37am
506 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:40:20am

re: #503 wheat-dogghazi

When it suits him. His Originalism theory has blinders on.

507 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:40:29am

re: #500 Vicious Babushka

Oh, well it would be much funnier if it was a “?”

508 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:40:57am

re: #500 Vicious Babushka

I wonder what else my browser at work is lying to me about? /

509 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:41:06am

re: #506 lawhawk

When it suits him. His Originalism theory has blinders on.

It always has. What’s sad to say is he’s not the worst justice on that court. Thomas is worse.

510 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:41:15am

re: #498 wrenchwench

Why, he should resign rather than continue to participate in such a travesty!

Fat Tony strikes me as a “Blood in, blood out” kind of guy. He will carried out feet first.

511 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:41:19am

re: #504 lawhawk

The focus will be not on the feds, but at the state level - pushing the states to clearly state that marriage is between a man and a woman.

The DOMA decision clearly shows deference to states (10th Amendment states’ rights) to determine for themselves the definition of marriage.

States are free to make that determination. Some have opted to extend SSM. Others have maintained specific prohibitions against anything but a heterosexual marriage. The GOP will focus on expanding that group.

If they seek a fight on federal grounds, they run right into their states’ rights 10th Amendment fire-breathers who demand that the states be the ones to define marriage (as well as most everything else they can think of).

The Perry decision also shows that the states have the right to define marriage, but it also indicates a path for legal challenges down the road. They ruled on the issue of standing, and if parties can figure out how to meet the standing requirement, they’d be able to challenge efforts like Prop 8 or others across the nation and seek rehearing in the Supreme Court down the road.

Won’t the state laws have issues with the 14th Amendment unless they also are willing to recognize marriages made in another state?

512 makeitstop  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:42:04am

re: #497 jaunte

Today Antonin Scalia is just horrified at the role of the Supreme Court:

He should use some of those Big SCOTUS bucks he makes to buy some self-awareness, and maybe a sense of irony.

513 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:42:26am
514 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:44:15am

DERP

515 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:44:36am

re: #504 lawhawk

The focus will be not on the feds, but at the state level - pushing the states to clearly state that marriage is between a man and a woman.

The DOMA decision clearly shows deference to states (10th Amendment states’ rights) to determine for themselves the definition of marriage.

States are free to make that determination. Some have opted to extend SSM. Others have maintained specific prohibitions against anything but a heterosexual marriage. The GOP will focus on expanding that group.

If they seek a fight on federal grounds, they run right into their states’ rights 10th Amendment fire-breathers who demand that the states be the ones to define marriage (as well as most everything else they can think of).

The Perry decision also shows that the states have the right to define marriage, but it also indicates a path for legal challenges down the road. They ruled on the issue of standing, and if parties can figure out how to meet the standing requirement, they’d be able to challenge efforts like Prop 8 or others across the nation and seek rehearing in the Supreme Court down the road.

Well, I’m sure Alabama will protect our marriage from the gay lexicographers. Might make it to 50 after all.

516 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:44:42am

re: #513 Interesting Times

Huckabee remembers when Jesus said same-sex couples should never receive federal tax, retirement and immigration benefits.

517 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:44:49am

re: #499 HappyWarrior

Yeah but that was because Senate voted 98-0, which was completely not the rule of the people or the legislature. //

518 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:45:20am

re: #506 lawhawk

When it suits him. His Originalism theory has blinders on.

Well, I know Scalia is hardly Mr. Consistency, but Marbury is the foundation of Constitutional review, and one of the important checks and balances of our government. How can a sitting justice repudiate it? It’s like part of their job description.

519 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:45:27am

re: #514 Vicious Babushka

Which is why all the RWNJ are so happy today. //

520 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:46:00am

re: #514 Vicious Babushka

So Dana is happy about the DOMA and Prop 8 decisions?

521 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:46:03am

re: #513 Interesting Times


Huckabee doesn’t recognize tears of joy.

522 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:46:34am

re: #497 jaunte

empowered to decide all constitutional questions

Um, maybe I don’t understand because I’m Canadian but isn’t that what the Supreme Court is supposed to do?!

Christ almighty. It’s getting harder and harder not to completely lose it at these effen’ aristocrats.

523 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:47:02am

So this guy robbed the bank then ran off. What an idiot. There is nowhere to hide out there.

524 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:47:14am

re: #513 Interesting Times

The Jesus I know would probably be weeping at you bunch of douchecanoes pretending to speak for Him.

525 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:47:15am

And we now have the Bachmann statement on SSM/DOMA:


Representative Michele Bachmann, Republican from Minnesota and a Tea Party favorite, issued a blistering statement.

“No man, not even a Supreme Court, can undo what a holy God has instituted,” Ms. Bachmann said in a statement. “For thousands of years of recorded human history, no society has defended the legal standard of marriage as anything other than between man and woman.” She said the court action “will undermine the best interest of children and the best interests of the United States.”

This from the woman who was peddling anti-vaxxer theories that cause actual harm to children, and ignores that the Bible provided for multiple marriage forms before settling on one-man, one-woman thousands of years after the Bible was handed down at Mt. Sinai.

526 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:48:09am

re: #514 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Yes, the GOP “opposed” DOMA so much they wasted millions of taxpayer dollars DEFENDING it. Good grief, does Dana “corpse urination commander” Loesch have a spreadsheet to keep track of all the lies in her head? 9_9

527 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:48:12am

re: #525 lawhawk

Make sure she knows where her husband is.

528 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:48:24am

re: #525 lawhawk

No man, not even a Supreme Court, can undo what a holy God has instituted,”

Fortunately, the SCOTUS did nothing to “undo” hetero marriage.

529 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:49:09am

re: #526 Interesting Times

You’re not supposed to remember that part about the GOP House defending DOMA. //

530 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:49:33am
531 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:49:44am

Have to go to bed now. Hope you all can dodge the fire and brimstone (and gay-marriage yentas) God’s gonna send ya now, thanks to SCOTUS.

532 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:50:08am
533 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:50:38am

Hopefully the RWNJs will finally boycott Google.

534 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:51:19am

re: #513 Interesting Times

Oh what did Jesus have to say, ohh what did he say, about being gay?


Well…. Nothing.


—Rob Zimmerman

535 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:51:56am

re: #460 Vicious Babushka

536 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:52:14am

I resubmit, for the amusement of the Lizardim, this awesome image in honor of my homosexual friends. Celebrate today and laugh in the wingnuts’ faces, and I shall do the same.

537 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:53:11am

In other news, Texas GOP finds many ways to continue epic corruption and douchebaggery:

538 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:54:46am

Shorter Dreher: SSM is totally icky. How could the SCOTUS not recognize that?

539 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:55:00am

re: #525 lawhawk

And we now have the Bachmann statement on SSM/DOMA:

This from the woman who was peddling anti-vaxxer theories that cause actual harm to children, and ignores that the Bible provided for multiple marriage forms before settling on one-man, one-woman thousands of years after the Bible was handed down at Mt. Sinai.

A chart in the NYT comments section:

projects.nytimes.com

Trendline looks like marriage is a threat to The Ghey.

540 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:57:21am

re: #537 Interesting Times

In other news, Texas GOP finds many ways to continue epic corruption and douchebaggery:

I’m betting that they’ll try to redefine space and time so that areas three meters square contain a million people, all Democrats, while huge tracts of the state are made solid Republican.

Why don’t they just be honest and make themselves a one party state? With a Governor For Life? FEMA has already built the camps they’ll need.

541 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:59:01am

re: #538 Bulworth

Shorter Dreher: SSM is totally icky. How could the SCOTUS not recognize that?

He has been convinced for years that the gay nazis are coming to wipe out religious freedom. He deletes comments that point out the legal fallacies in his reasoning, such as it is.

542 Skip Intro  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:59:18am

re: #436 Tigger2

That’s funny Bryan back in those days men could have multiple wives, your one woman and one man is bullshit.

If wives were “barren”, they were legally obligated to provide their “handmaiden” to their husband for sex. These women were also considered wives.

Bryan could easily find that, if he wanted to. It’s in the bible, beginning with Genesis.

543 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 8:59:54am

re: #540 Romantic Heretic

while huge tracts of the state are made solid Republican

And she has…’uge tracts of land!

544 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:00:11am

re: #539 Decatur Deb

From your link:

Kansas Republican Says Decision Will Not End Debate
Representative Tim Huelskamp, a Republican who as a state legislator in Kansas authored that state’s amendment banning same-sex marriage, said that the decision did not mean the last word in the debate.

“This doesn’t end it,” Mr. Huelskamp said. “In 1973 a decision here was supposedly going to end the abortion debate. If anything it’s been ignited and continues to be discussed.” He said the court action was an attempt to “short-circuit the process and to undo a decision, a strong bipartisan decision, signed by President Bill Clinton and supported by then Senator Joe Biden; for this court to overrule it, I think folks are tired of judges dictating.”
projects.nytimes.com

Republican pledges to remain bigoted, support fellow bigots.

545 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:00:57am

re: #542 Skip Intro

If wives were “barren”, they were legally obligated to provide their “handmaiden” to their husband for sex. These women were also considered wives.

Bryan could easily find that, if he wanted to. It’s in the bible, beginning with Genesis.

The Handmaid’s Tale was not supposed to be a “How To” manual.

546 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:02:51am


547 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:03:22am

re: #544 jaunte

From your link:

Republican pledges to remain bigoted, support fellow bigots.

Where was all this talk about “tyranny” and “activist judges” and “usurping the Will of the People™” when the SC gutted the authorized and recently-reapproved-by-overwhelming-majority Voting Rights Act?

Oh yeah, that’s right. Fuck Republicans with a rusty pitchfork.

548 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:04:06am


If you haven’t seen the movie, you should.

549 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:04:53am

Apparently Nancy SMASH Pelosi was asked about Michelle Bachmann’s lameass response to the SCOTUS DOMA and Prop 8 rulings.

Pelosi: Who cares

NANCY SMASH!!

550 blueraven  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:05:24am

re: #521 wrenchwench

Huckabee doesn’t recognize tears of joy.

551 Minor_L  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:05:48am

re: #530 lawhawk

But Democrats and Republicans are all the same.

552 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:06:46am
553 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:07:08am

re: #550 blueraven

Huckabee doesn’t recognize basic decency.

554 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:07:26am

re: #550 blueraven

Excellent!

555 Minor_L  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:07:40am

Ben Shapiro is such a douche.

556 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:07:52am

Bryan’s Derpathon continues:

557 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:08:36am

Symmetry:

On this day 10 years ago, Lawrence v. Texas was handed down (decided June 26, 2003).

558 makeitstop  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:08:50am

I must admit, I am loving every second of this wingnut meltdown.

559 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:08:50am

re: #546 jaunte

SCOTUS rulings today: FEEEEELINGSSSSS!!!!!!!!
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) June 26, 2013

Is this suppose to be RWNJ snark?

560 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:09:13am

re: #559 Dr. Matt

Best he could do.

561 b.d.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:09:26am

re: #480 darthstar

“They’re reporting classified shit,” Snowden shot back. “Moreover, who the fuck are the anonymous sources telling them this? Those people should be shot in the balls.”

Nice.

562 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:09:52am
563 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:10:18am

re: #559 Dr. Matt

Is this suppose to be RWNJ snark?

Sort of. He doesn’t really get that concept, but then again, this is the guy who advocated banning the FAA because airline safety inspections were too expensive and intrusive.

564 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:12:15am

From SCOTUSBLOG

Tejinder:
We are getting reports that Governor Brown is ordering all county clerks to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Here’s a quote from the Governor: “After years of struggle, the U.S. Supreme Court today has made same-sex marriage a reality in California. In light of the decision, I have directed the California Department of Public Health to advise the state’s counties that they must begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples in California as soon as the Ninth Circuit confirms the stay is lifted.”

565 Minor_L  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:13:10am

re: #557 lawhawk

Also a Kennedy opinion. The language in that opinion was quite strong:

The case does involve two adults who, with full and mutual consent from each other, engaged in sexual practices common to a homosexual lifestyle. The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives. The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime. Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government. “It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.” Casey, supra, at 847. The Texas statute furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual.

Perhaps it paved the way for today’s DOMA decision.

566 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:13:44am

re: #546 jaunte

Ben Shapiro is exhibit A supporting my theory that wingnuts hate marriage equality because many of them lack happy relationships themselves. All this little turd does is rail against Sandra Fluke, Jason Collins, and happy gay couples everywhere. I doubt he himself is capable of a happy relationship. I mean, would you want to date such a mean-spirited little twit?

567 celticdragon  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:13:51am

Governor Brown is moving straight ahead with interpreting the decision as “all gay marriages are legal throughout the state as of right now”.

568 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:13:54am
569 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:14:32am
570 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:15:14am

re: #556 Vicious Babushka

Fischer’s twitter stream right now sounds like a 6-year-old jumping up and down, screaming “I can’t hear you!” with his fingers in his ears.

571 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:15:19am

re: #565 Minor_L

Indeed, and it also is mirrored in Scalia’s dissent from Lawrence v. Texas where he ruminated about gay marriage being the next thing to be legalized.

572 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:15:33am
573 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:16:35am

Apparently Faux News is back to BENGHAZI!!

Must be a good day to be a RWNJ.

574 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:16:39am

Brilliant:

575 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:17:05am

re: #566 Ian G.

Ben Shapiro is exhibit A supporting my theory that wingnuts hate marriage equality because many of them lack happy relationships themselves. All this little turd does is rail against Sandra Fluke, Jason Collins, and happy gay couples everywhere. I doubt he himself is capable of a happy relationship. I mean, would you want to date such a mean-spirited little twit?

Well, he is married. I think bigoted hater assholes can find happiness with each other. (Sometimes I don’t think it’s true happiness, but it’s not really for me to judge.)

576 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:18:20am

re: #573 Bulworth

Apparently Faux News is back to BENGHAZI!!

Must be a good day to be a RWNJ.

Derpers gotta derp.

577 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:18:43am


The KGB must not be finished with him yet.

578 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:19:05am
579 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:19:30am

Tea Party Republicons: Freedom is Awesome, more Freedom, less government.


Kennedy: “It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.”

Tea Party Republicons: WTF?! Unconstitutional!!

580 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:23:23am

Mad Over Marriage: Religious Right Responds To Today’s Supreme Court Rulings

“…Out in Arizona, the Alliance Defending Freedom also has a case of the grumpies: “This effectively means we will no longer have a national definition of marriage,” carped the group in a statement. “The federal government may now be required to accept any legal definition of marriage that a particular state invents. This leads to many unanswered questions, new government burdens, and consequences that we will have more to say about in the coming days and weeks ahead as we analyze and further unpack this disappointing decision.”

“It’s going to take us a few weeks to brainstorm some objections we haven’t used yet.”

581 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:23:38am

re: #579 Bulworth

Tea Party Republicons: Freedom is Awesome, more Freedom, less government.

Kennedy: “It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.”

Tea Party Republicons: WTF?! Unconstitutional!!

The GOP have been acting like cartoon super villains for years, why should today be any different?

582 Joanne  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:24:16am

re: #553 celticdragon

Huckabee doesn’t recognize basic decency.

Never has.

583 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:26:35am

re: #580 jaunte

Alliance Defending Freedom

Hey ADF, meet Freedom.

584 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:27:17am

People against gay marriage: Please remember that nobody has ever shown any harm to heterosexuals from gay marriage.

This is become none exists.

585 Stephen T.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:27:36am

From Alito’s dissent:

Acceptance of the argument would cast all those who cling to traditional beliefs about the nature of marriage in the role of bigots or superstitious fools.

Yes, Alito, the only reasons to oppose gay marriage are (i) bigotry or (ii) unquestioning devotion to (a specific interpretation of) the Bible. Thank you for verbalizing this.

586 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:27:42am

re: #584 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

People against gay marriage: Please remember that nobody has ever shown any harm to heterosexuals from gay marriage.

This is become none exists.

But, but, but, DERP!!!

Seriously, that’s about all they got.

587 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:28:24am
< TheTrueHOOHA> HOLY SHIT

nytimes.com
< TheTrueHOOHA> WTF NYTIMES
< TheTrueHOOHA> Are they TRYING to start a war?
Jesus christ
they’re like wikileaks
< User19> they’re just reporting, dude.
< TheTrueHOOHA> They’re reporting classified shit
< User19> shrugs
< TheTrueHOOHA> about an unpopular country surrounded by enemies already engaged in a war
and about our interactions with said country regarding planning sovereignity violations of another country
you don’t put that shit in the NEWSPAPER
< User19> meh
< TheTrueHOOHA> moreover, who the fuck are the anonymous sources telling them this?
< TheTrueHOOHA> those people should be shot in the balls.
< TheTrueHOOHA> But the tense exchanges also prompted the White House to step up intelligence-sharing with Israel and brief Israeli officials on new American efforts to subtly sabotage Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, a major covert program that Mr. Bush is about to hand off to President-elect Barack Obama.

588 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:28:43am
589 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:29:00am

re: #583 Bulworth

Alliance Defending Freedom

Hey ADF, meet Freedom.

It’s FREEDOM™, not freedom. Much like Small Gub’mint™ vs. small government. Its usage by the GOP and their cronies has nothing to do with the generally-accepted definition of the word, hence the trademark. Their usage of it refers to a specific concept they have, whereby they are FREE™ to impose fundamentalist christian theocracy on the rest of the nation.

590 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:29:57am

re: #584 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

People against gay marriage: Please remember that nobody has ever shown any harm to heterosexuals from gay marriage.

This is become none exists.

BUT BUT BUT CHRISTIAN BAKERS IS BEIN SUED FOR NOT BAKIN A GAY WEDDIN CAEK!!11 ALSO CHRIST-FEARING PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO DONT WANTZ TO GET TEH ICKY GHEY IN THERE CAMERAZ

591 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:31:25am

HK Says US Got Snowden’s Middle Name Wrong

Hong Kong officials say the U.S. government got National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden’s middle name wrong in documents it submitted seeking his arrest.

Snowden hid in Hong Kong for several weeks after revealing secret U.S. surveillance programs. Hong Kong allowed him to fly to Moscow on Sunday, saying a U.S. request for his arrest did not fully comply with its requirements.

Justice Secretary Rimsky Yuen said Tuesday that discrepancies in the paperwork filed by U.S. authorities were to blame.

So they got rid of him before the US corrected his middle name.

Assholes.

592 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:32:42am

re: #584 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

People against gay marriage: Please remember that nobody has ever shown any harm to heterosexuals from gay marriage.

This is become none exists.

The only harm to people against gay marriage is that it will be more difficult to indoctrinate their children to believe gay people are an abomination when they are seen in public as happy family people.

593 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:33:24am

re: #592 wrenchwench

Then the whole world view that goes along with it could crumble.

594 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:35:29am

So abortion remains more accessible in Texas than Ecuador.

595 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:37:25am

Russian lawmakers suggest U.S. is violating Snowden’s human rights

MOSCOW — The upper house of Russia’s parliament decided Wednesday to create a special group to investigate whether the United States is violating the human rights of leaker Edward Snowden by pursuing him on espionage charges.

…”Snowden is driven into the corner now,” said Russian lawmaker Ruslan Gattarov, who initiated the motion to investigate the American’s case. He said the Federation Council, or upper house, had already requested information on the case from the U.S. authorities but that “we have simply been ignored.”

House speaker Valentina Matviyenko said the panel would investigate whether Snowden’s human rights had been violated by the U.S. and “if there is interference in [his] private life.”

Another prominent lawmaker called Snowden a dissident and linked him to Julian Assange, whose WikiLeaks website published secret U.S. State Department cables, and U.S. Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, currently being court-martialed for giving classified documents to the website.

“Assange, Manning and Snowden were not spies, and they gave away secret information not for money but out of convictions,” Alexei Pushkov, chairman of the foreign relations committee of the lower house of parliament, wrote Wednesday on Twitter. “They are new dissidents, fighters against the system.”

WTF does Russia know about human rights?

596 Joanne  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:38:25am

re: #595 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah, let’s discuss Pussy Riot.

597 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:41:24am

I suspect Texas will be next in banning cameras in the gallery.

598 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:42:09am

re: #524 thedopefishlives

The Jesus I know would probably be weeping at you bunch of douchecanoes pretending to speak for Him.

I’d like to think that the Jesus I know would be bitch slapping these douchcanoes six ways from Sunday.

599 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:42:26am

And sometime earlier today, karma 100k was achieved. Thanks to all who have updinged me over the years. Glad I’ve written something that folks find informative, entertaining, humorous, or whatnot sufficient enough to elicit a positive rating.

Guess I’ll keep doing what I’ve been doing here since 10/2001, which is write opinions about the day’s events, politics, and world events, link to news and information, and comment about whatever comes to mind.

I’m sure that the stalkers/haters will take note of this as well, and the same folks who regularly posted here and considered my remarks trustworthy and my analysis sound but who have since gone on to whatever they think passes for constructive activities and now think I’ve gone off the rails with my analysis, they ought to take note that I haven’t change my views or opinions. I’ve been rather consistent in my views on the GWOT, free speech, human and civil rights, and other major issues.

I’ve always been rather open on the fact that I’m a socially liberal guy who is fiscally conservative. That hasn’t changed one iota.

If anything, since Charles has opened up the forum to discussions on abortion (which used to be cause for deletion/banning), I’ve found more of a voice on womens’ rights and access to health care than before. And for that I thank him for the opportunity to pontificate here all these years.

600 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:42:41am

re: #597 Amory Blaine

I suspect Texas will be next in banning cameras in the gallery.

Cameras, people, signs… it’s all gone.

Guns, OTOH, will still be A-OK.

601 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:43:07am

re: #596 Joanne

602 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:46:38am
603 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:47:59am

DERP:

604 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:48:27am
605 geoffm33  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:49:25am

re: #599 lawhawk

Those updings are well deserved lawhawk.

606 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:49:58am
607 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:50:43am

re: #460 Vicious Babushka

GLOBAL WARMING WILL DESTROY US ALL!!

We’ll know the Lord’s hand of protection has finally been lifted when the U.S. is plagued by hurricanes like Katrina and Sandy, mass shootings like in Aurora and Newtown, gigantic killer tornadoes like the ones in Oklahoma …

Oh, wait … .

608 Kid A  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:51:05am
609 makeitstop  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:51:47am

re: #603 Lidane

DERP:

They hate Catholics already, don’t they?

610 jaunte  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:51:58am

re: #608 Kid A

He’s continually tormented by the pictures in his head.

611 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:52:11am
612 makeitstop  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:52:52am
613 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:53:16am
614 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:53:24am

re: #611 Lidane

Today’s decisions are a great step forward for #MarriageEquality. Grateful to all who fought tirelessly for this day. t.co
— Bill Clinton (@billclinton) June 26, 2013

He might want to apologize for signing that POS law in the first place.

615 Gus  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:53:41am

Punk?

616 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:54:22am

re: #608 Kid A

“May God have mercy on us.”

Nope, Bryan is still on the air.

617 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:55:12am

I remember when the police gave accurate description of suspects. Here is what they are saying about the bank robber:

Investigators say a male suspect robbed the BB&T bank on Critzers Road at gunpoint at approximately 9:35 a.m. Wednesday.

Investigators say the suspect fled on foot. They found a pair of black pants on Route 6 near the bank that they believe belong to the suspect.

I think I’ll call my wife and tell her to look out for a man who used to wear black pants.

618 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:55:41am

re: #614 Dr. Matt

He might want to apologize for signing that POS law in the first place.

Seriously. That was the first thought that came to me. There wouldn’t have been a fight if that stupid law didn’t exist.

OTOH, because of that stupid law we’ve had almost 20 years to talk about SSM and gay rights and equality to the point where even some conservatives couldn’t argue against gay rights anymore.

619 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:55:56am
620 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:56:29am

re: #614 Dr. Matt

He might want to apologize for signing that POS law in the first place.

That’s what I thought.

621 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:57:24am

re: #603 Lidane

DERP:

Thanks, Laura, for speaking for my Catholic fiancee, her Catholic parents, and all our our Catholic friends and family, not one of which is opposed to marriage equality.

Go play in traffic.

622 Kragar  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:57:42am
623 geoffm33  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:58:30am

How the Supreme Court’s ruling will affect gay married couples:

* Military benefits
* Social Security survivor benefits
* Federal estate tax break
* Property sales/Capital Gains
* Retirement plan rollover
* Federal health care protections
* Federal employee benefits
* US Citizenship

How the Supreme Court’s ruling will affect hetero married couples:

.

624 Lidane  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:58:43am

The entire Right Wing Watch timeline is hilarious. They’ve got so much derp falling at their feet today I don’t think they can keep up with it all.

625 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:59:31am

re: #599 lawhawk

If anything, since Charles has opened up the forum to discussions on abortion (which used to be cause for deletion/banning), I’ve found more of a voice on womens’ rights and access to health care than before. And for that I thank him for the opportunity to pontificate here all these years.

I almost forgot that topic used to be considered too hot to discuss around here. Perhaps my favorite change in LGF is that one. Goes with the blocking of those for whom it WAS too hot of a topic to maintain civility.

626 Ian G.  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 9:59:54am

re: #608 Kid A

Laws of Nature, Bryan?

huffingtonpost.com

You understand the laws of nature (biology) about as well as you understand climate science.

627 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:00:14am

re: #617 NJDhockeyfan

I remember when the police gave accurate description of suspects. Here is what they are saying about the bank robber:

I think I’ll call my wife and tell her to look out for a man who used to wear black pants.

To their credit, there was no mention of a hoodie.

628 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:00:40am

re: #614 Dr. Matt

He might want to apologize for signing that POS law in the first place.

I’ve heard it suggested that by signing DOMA he took the wind out of the sails of a constitutional amendment to ban SSM. If that’s true then there might be a hint of an excuse for him. Otherwise he’s the last person who should be exulting over this, at least until he issues that apology.

629 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:01:36am

re: #618 Lidane

The flipside is that because DOMA existed and is now ruled unconstitutional, it’s going to be pretty f*cking difficult to try to ever pass a state or federal law restricting gay marriage. Who knows that would have happened if we didn’t go through this painful 20 year exercise.

630 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:01:42am

re: #623 geoffm33

How the Supreme Court’s ruling will affect gay married couples:

* Military benefits
* Social Security survivor benefits
* Federal estate tax break
* Property sales/Capital Gains
* Retirement plan rollover
* Federal health care protections
* Federal employee benefits
* US Citizenship

How the Supreme Court’s ruling will affect hetero married couples:

.

Well, that depends on the heteros in question. It affected my wife and me this way:

:)

631 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:01:49am

re: #627 abolitionist

To their credit, there was no mention of a hoodie.

He must be running around in his underwear. No word on if its boxers or briefs.

632 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:04:33am

WORST day to be slammed at work.

Carry on.

633 geoffm33  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:05:21am

re: #630 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Well, that depends on the heteros in question. It affected my wife and me this way:

Same here :)

I knew as soon as I posted it, Charles would create a new thread. I have a knack for that. Reposted upstairs.

634 Wile E. Wonka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:12:23am

re: #514 Vicious Babushka

Somebody ask Dana Loesch how many Republicans voted against DOMA in 1996, House and Senate combined.

Hint: He’s gay, and he wasn’t running for reelection.

635 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:14:23am
636 Wile E. Wonka  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 10:23:36am

re: #628 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I’ve heard it suggested that by signing DOMA he took the wind out of the sails of a constitutional amendment to ban SSM. If that’s true then there might be a hint of an excuse for him. Otherwise he’s the last person who should be exulting over this, at least until he issues that apology.

Hasn’t he apologized yet? He’s sure made public the change in his personal beliefs about SSM over the past few.

Either way, DOMA sure had enough votes to override a veto, and he was two months from Election Day with the 1994 midterms in his rearview mirror. Sure, that midterm defeat was a lot of reaction to attempts at healthcare reform, but pushing to let The Ghey into the military was fresh in the national memory too. Even if that did end in the DADT “compromise” as well. Bill was running scared.

637 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 26, 2013 1:07:42pm

re: #521 wrenchwench

Huckabee doesn’t recognize tears of joy.

Amen, tears of joy.


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