GOP Leaders Warn Sports Leagues Not to Promote Obamacare

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So this happened today: GOP Leaders Warn Pro Sports Leagues Not to Promote Obamacare.

Senate Republican leaders have sent letters warning six professional sports leagues not to provide the Obama administration any assistance in promoting Obamacare.

The letters, dated June 27, warn the chiefs of the National Football League, Major League Baseball, National Basketball Association, National Hockey League, Professional Golf Association and NASCAR that partnering with the administration to publicize the benefits of the health care law would damage their reputations.

“Given the divisiveness and persistent unpopularity of this bill, it is difficult to understand why an organization like yours would risk damaging its inclusive and apolitical brand by lending its name to its promotion,” wrote Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Minority Whip John Cornyn (R-TX).

The letters come days after Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said she’s spoken with the NFL about potentially partnering to let people know the benefits of the Affordable Care Act ahead of the implementation of its major components. (She said there was no deal yet.)

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UPDATE at 6/28/13 2:23:02 pm

An update from TPM:

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told TPM the league has “no plans” to engage on Obamacare.

“We have responded to the letters we received from members of Congress to inform them we currently have no plans to engage in this area and have had no substantive contact with the administration about PPACA’s implementation,” McCarthy said in an email.

Asked about the suggestion that the administration may have been threatening or pressuring the NFL, McCarthy responded, “Not correct. [Q]uite simply, the NFL , NBA and others were contacted by the administration. We made no commitments nor discussed any substantive details with the administration.”

McConnell’s spokesman Michael Brumas told TPM that the senator “is not alleging the administration has threatened or pressured the sports leagues. See the next to the last graf of the letter which says ‘Should the administration,’ etc.”

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215 comments
1 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:21:55pm

Laser like focus on the economy…

2 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:22:40pm

Vindictive much, Mitch?

3 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:23:32pm

GOP Leaders Warn Pro Sports Leagues Not to Promote Obamacare | TPMDC

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told TPM the league has “no plans” to engage on Obamacare.

“We have responded to the letters we received from members of Congress to inform them we currently have no plans to engage in this area and have had no substantive contact with the administration about PPACA’s implementation,” McCarthy said in an email.

Asked about the suggestion that the administration may have been threatening or pressuring the NFL, McCarthy responded, “Not correct. [Q]uite simply, the NFL , NBA and others were contacted by the administration. We made no commitments nor discussed any substantive details with the administration.”

McConnell’s spokesman Michael Brumas told TPM that the senator “is not alleging the administration has threatened or pressured the sports leagues. See the next to the last graf of the letter which says ‘Should the administration,’ etc.”

They have their clown shoes on again!

4 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:24:50pm

Has all the subtlety of a mafia don. “It would a shame if…’something’ were to happen.”

5 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:25:39pm

Yes Richard DeVos is just itching to make sure the poor have access to health care. What a fucking clown show.

6 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:26:14pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

Has all the subtlety of a mafia don. “It would a shame if…’something’ were to happen.”

“Tax exempt huh? Sure would be a shame if you guys were treated like a busisness.”

7 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:26:40pm

These evil people have had a very busy week being evil.

The “letter” references the ACA’s passage on a “party-line vote”. Well, why the fck does that matter? All kinds of shit passes pretty much that way. And who’s responsible for the vote being “party-line” anyway, you focking asshat? Sometimes I just really hate these people. They’re just miserable, evil people.

8 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:26:58pm

re: #6 Kragar

“Tax exempt huh? Sure would be a shame if you guys were treated like a busisness.”

“You know, if you were to go through with this, we might have reason to…’review’ those anti-trust exemptions we grant you.”

9 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:27:05pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

GOP Leaders Warn Pro Sports Leagues Not to Promote Obamacare | TPMDC

They have their clown shoes on again!

I am sure Issa will start an investigation into just how bad the Obama admin is pushing around all these free market operations.

10 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:28:05pm

re: #1 Kragar

Laser like focus on the economy…

That jobs laser needs recalibration.

Seriously.

11 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:34:07pm

Afternoon Lizardim. This has got to be one of the most utterly retarded overreactions to a non-story that I’ve seen from the GOP. They really are frightened of Obamacare and how much people will appreciate even that limited step forward, aren’t they?

12 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:34:18pm

There’s a remarkably ironic part of the letter where, in a letter essentially attempting to intimidate the leagues into not cooperating, they say they ‘have long been concerned by the Obama Administration’s record of using the threat of policy retaliation to solicit support for its policies or to silence its critics.”

Right - “We’re afraid the Administration might threaten you, so we thought we’d do it first.”

13 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:35:12pm

re: #1 Kragar

Laser like focus on the economy…

I think it’s more of a Taser-like focus. The keep shooting it every time it starts to get up.

14 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:35:31pm

I hope a number of players offer to do PSAs for Obamacare in response.

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:36:40pm

This “divisive and polarizing issue” is also the law of the land, as passed by a majority of Congress, signed by the President and upheld by the Spreme Court.

But then again, to these people Evolution is a “controversial and divisive issue” in science…

16 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:37:05pm

“This bill, we mean Law, which we have spent four long years obstructing and demagogueing, which we hate with a fuking passion, even though it’s main parameters were based on ideas from our very own think tanks, is very partisan and divisive.”

//

17 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:37:32pm

re: #12 GeneJockey

There’s a remarkably ironic part of the letter where, in a letter essentially attempting to intimidate the leagues into not cooperating, they say they ‘have long been concerned by the Obama Administration’s record of using the threat of policy retaliation to solicit support for its policies or to silence its critics.”

Right - “We’re afraid the Administration might threaten you, so we thought we’d do it first.”

“We fear you might be pressured into something, so let’s make it clear that we won’t like you giving into that pressure.”

18 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:39:33pm
19 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:40:01pm

“This bill, OK, some people would call it a ‘Law’….”

//

20 bratwurst  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:40:12pm

This seems to be a continuing pattern of behavior from Mitch McConnell: frequently attempting to knock something or someone down. Hopefully he will be as successful with this as he was with his whole “the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president” business.

21 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:40:59pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

“We fear you might be pressured into something, so let’s make it clear that we won’t like you giving into that pressure.”

Nice monopoly youse guys got here. Be a shame if sumpin’ was to happen to it….

22 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:42:14pm

re: #20 bratwurst

This seems to be a continuing pattern of behavior from Mitch McConnell: frequently attempting to knock something or someone down. Hopefully he will be as successful with this as he was with his whole “the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president” business.

The man’s a bully, plain and simple. He’s used to getting his way and is not above threatens, open and veiled, to scare people into giving him what he wants.

23 klys and whatnot  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:45:47pm
… Excessive heat warning in effect from 11 am Saturday to 7 PM
PDT Tuesday…

The National Weather Service in the San Francisco Bay area has
issued an excessive heat warning… which is in effect from 11 am
Saturday to 7 PM PDT Tuesday for inland areas of the San Francisco
and Monterey Bay region. The heat advisory is no longer in effect.

a) Couldn’t this have waited one more month for the electrical work to be finished and AC installed?
b) Ok, seriously. If it is 104 degrees outside RIGHT NOW, why does the excessive heat warning not start until tomorrow?

24 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:47:35pm

There’s a good joke in there about how if the leagues feel pressured by the Administration, let the GOP Congress know so that “appropriate oversight” can be conducted.

Issa’s clown show schedule needs filling up? It wouldn’t surprise me at all if this is the main purpose of this bit of stupidity. Send out some troll bait, and get a few RWNJ team owner fellow travelers before Issa’s committee to piss and moan about Obamacare on the Congressional Record.

25 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:48:35pm

Coming up tonight: Glenn Greenwald speaks at Socialism 2013, sponsored by the Trotskyite International Socialist Organization. Family fun!

The live stream will be here: new.livestream.com

26 Gus  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:51:09pm

Dear Sports Leagues:

We have long been concerned by the Obama Administration’s record of using the threat of policy retaliation to solicit support for its policies or to silence its critics. Should the administration or its allies suggest that there will be any policy consequence for your decision not to participate in their outreach efforts, we urge you to resist any such pressure and to contact us immediately so that we may conduct appropriate oversight.

Sincerely,

Senator Douche Bag (R-KY Jelly)

27 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:51:20pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Coming up tonight: Glenn Greenwald speaks at Socialism 2013, sponsored by the Trotskyite International Socialist Organization. Family fun!

The live stream will be here: new.livestream.com

Seriously? We’re not getting punked by The Onion?

28 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:51:33pm
29 Gus  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:52:01pm

So they’re worried about these sports leagues politicizing Obama care while sending them a highly politicized and presumptuous letter. Got it.

30 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:53:49pm

re: #23 klys and whatnot

If it is 104 degrees outside RIGHT NOW, why does the excessive heat warning not start until tomorrow?

Oh, I think you know what that means.

31 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:53:54pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

What a moran!

32 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:54:18pm

re: #29 Gus

So they’re worried about these sports leagues politicizing Obama care while sending them a highly politicized and presumptuous letter. Got it.

But, you see, that’s okay, because shut up.

33 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:56:37pm
34 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:58:08pm

re: #33 darthstar

Who did Rubio betray? Oh right, the party who counts amongst it base people who engage in their own birther theories about Rubio.

35 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:01:30pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

Who did Rubio betray? Oh right, the party who counts amongst it base people who engage in their own birther theories about Rubio.

Jesus of Crackerstan.

36 klys and whatnot  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:01:50pm

re: #30 GeneJockey

Oh, I think you know what that means.

The conclusion I am coming to is God hates me.

37 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:03:13pm


Of course, the GOP is running its DARVO to the hilt. They’re accusing the Administration of making threats, all while the GOP threatens the leagues if they choose to work with the Administration and HHS to go and advertise/partner on informing the public about the benefits that will help many of their fans.

38 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:03:29pm

Obamacare needs people to sign up in order for it to succeed, particularly young, healthy people. Republicans want it to fail, so they are doing anything they can to prevent young people from finding out about Obamacare and signing up for it. I find it particularly cruel to keep the NFL from supporting Obamacare in any way, because the NFL is famous for using up and casting aside lots of young people who will need medical care for the rest of their lives to deal with the pains from old injuries. I hope they are well-covered with some kind of league plan.

39 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:03:48pm

re: #36 klys and whatnot

The conclusion I am coming to is God hates me.

That seems reasonable a reasonable hypothesis.

40 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:05:44pm

re: #33 darthstar

Does she mean that sarcastically?

41 Ming  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:06:16pm

And here I thought the Republicans were against government heavy-handed interference in private organizations, like sports leagues.

42 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:06:45pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

The most beautiful part of that is, Skype is legit wiretapped by Microsoft. You’d think someone who supposedly values privacy so much would know that.

43 Political Atheist  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:07:36pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Obamacare needs people to sign up in order for it to succeed, particularly young, healthy people. Republicans want it to fail, so they are doing anything they can to prevent young people from finding out about Obamacare and signing up for it. I find it particularly cruel to keep the NFL from supporting Obamacare in any way, because the NFL is famous for using up and casting aside lots of young people who will need medical care for the rest of their lives to deal with the pains from old injuries. I hope they are well-covered with some kind of league plan.

When pondering the NFL mindset about health, keep the head trauma issue in mind.
sports.yahoo.com

EDIT
NFL benefits page
nfl.com

44 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:07:53pm

Meanwhile, in Britain:

A member of a fathers right group is arrested in England in relation to an attack on the John Constable painting The Hay Wain held in the National Gallery London.

45 jaunte  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:09:56pm
We have long been concerned by the Obama Administration’s record of using the threat of policy retaliation to solicit support for its policies or to silence its critics.

We wanted to let you know we are the ones who have that patented.

46 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:11:30pm

re: #33 darthstar

With all her insults to men, I thought she would have at least told him his
“manhood” is too short. Or he was impotent, or something…

47 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:12:21pm

re: #41 Ming

And here I thought the Republicans were against government heavy-handed interference in private organizations, like sports leagues.

Of course we are. We’re the freedom-loving adults in the room who rescue liberals from the disastrous consequences of their policies. We also have fiscal discipline, and pay attention to practical issues such as how wars and new entitlements are to be funded.

Today’s wingnuts aren’t this coherent, of course, but it is amusing to see decades-old GOP talking points in the wingnut font.

48 piratedan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:15:02pm

re: #33 darthstar

because Sistah Sarah is the “go to” authority on selling out, just wait, I’m sure there’s a book, bus tour or reality show where she lays it all out for you….

49 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:19:24pm

The schedule for the Socialism 2013 conference:

socialismconference.org

50 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:19:54pm

re: #36 klys and whatnot

The conclusion I am coming to is God hates me.

This is not the worst thing that could happen.

51 klys and whatnot  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:21:41pm

re: #50 Kragar

This is not the worst thing that could happen.

It’s true.

I could be living in Teklahoma.

52 jaunte  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:22:58pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Marxism and Halloween - China Miéville

??

53 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:23:21pm

Dumbass Alert:

God, Not Anthony Kennedy Writes The Majority Opinion On Marriage

God wrote something? When did that happen? I know his boosters like to write a lot of fan fiction, but J.D. Salinger wrote more than God.

54 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:24:49pm

re: #43 Political Atheist

When pondering the NFL mindset about health, keep the head trauma issue in mind.
sports.yahoo.com

It was almost negligent of me not to mention it!

55 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:25:17pm

re: #51 klys and whatnot

It’s true.

I could be living in Teklahoma.

My Niece is going to some convention or something in Phoenix, where it’s supposed to be 119 tomorrow.

One hundred nineteen degrees.

56 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:25:37pm

Perry continues attack: Wendy Davis ‘does not understand that every life is precious’

According to Burnt Orange Report, Perry attempted to explain remarks he made on Thursday about Davis being a young mother by telling Ingraham, “I said I was proud of what Wendy had accomplished in her life. I’m sad that she does not understand that every life is precious, and certainly her own.

57 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:25:40pm

re: #44 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile, in Britain:

A member of a fathers right group is arrested in England in relation to an attack on the John Constable painting The Hay Wain held in the National Gallery London.

The train from Kookamonga seems to be stopping everywhere these days.

58 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:26:25pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

My Niece is going to some convention or something in Phoenix, where it’s supposed to be 119 tomorrow.

One hundred nineteen degrees.

Yeah, but it’s a dry heat.

59 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:26:48pm

At Socialism 2013, “North Korea in the crosshairs” with David Whitehouse, an outright apologist for North Korea.

60 klys and whatnot  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:26:50pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

My Niece is going to some convention or something in Phoenix, where it’s supposed to be 119 tomorrow.

One hundred nineteen degrees.

Which on one hand, eep.

On the other hand, it’s in Arizona. It’s summer. It’s supposed to get hot in the desert in the summer and so everyone down there has AC. Up here, however (as you know), it’s not supposed to get hot and so nobody used to have AC.

Sunday’s high is supposed to be 108. Tomorrow’s 106.

61 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:26:54pm

re: #58 thedopefishlives

Yeah, but it’s a dry heat.

Shut up, Hudson.

62 klys and whatnot  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:27:29pm

re: #58 thedopefishlives

Yeah, but it’s a dry heat.

For the most part, at that point, it just determines whether heat exhaustion/heat stroke takes 30 minutes or an hour.

63 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:27:41pm

re: #52 jaunte

Marxism and Halloween - China Miéville

??

A lecture on the importance of giving each child the same, crappy Dollar Store candy, no matter how hard they worked on their costume.

64 freetoken  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:28:05pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

I find it hard to believe many people take them seriously. That GG has to play this gig is sort of like an Elvis impersonator who can’t get booked in Vegas and plays Peoria instead.

65 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:28:18pm

re: #23 klys and whatnot

a) Couldn’t this have waited one more month for the electrical work to be finished and AC installed?
b) Ok, seriously. If it is 104 degrees outside RIGHT NOW, why does the excessive heat warning not start until tomorrow?

Ice cream pail, water, freezer, large bowl, fan, chairs.

66 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:29:03pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

They’re Trotskyites? They’re Leninists? Syndicalists? Anarchists?

Color me confused…

As usual, there will probably be more speakers than the general public.

67 red panda  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:29:10pm

Chicago-style intimidation and thuggery!!

68 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:29:38pm
69 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:29:42pm

re: #62 klys and whatnot

For the most part, at that point, it just determines whether heat exhaustion/heat stroke takes 30 minutes or an hour.

Me, I am more of a winter person. Hence why I moved to the wild NORTH country. I only have to endure 2 or so weeks of 90+ degree, high humidity days.

70 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:29:49pm

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

They’re Trotskyites? They’re Leninists? Syndicalists? Anarchists?

Color me confused…

As usual, there will probably be more speakers than the general public.

I thought we were an autonomous collective?

71 klys and whatnot  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:30:22pm

re: #65 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Ice cream pail, water, freezer, large bowl, fan, chairs.

I have a spray bottle and I’m misting my feet every 2 minutes.

Tomorrow is going to be fun, between the heat and the third pass on flushing out the husband’s digestive system, I need to keep him hydrated.

Of course, he generally does a better job than I do.

72 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:30:24pm

re: #44 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile, in Britain:

The Hay Wain, Constable

On 28 June 2013 a protestor, reported to be connected with Fathers4Justice, attached a photograph to The Hay Wain while it was in its normal display position. The painting was not damaged.

What better way to draw attention to your cause than to endanger a priceless cultural treasure? Asshole.

73 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:30:32pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Its telling they think Nader is considered evil and not pathetic

74 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:30:38pm

re: #67 red panda

Chicago-style intimidation and thuggery!!

Red Panda is my dad’s favorite animal. He literally cannot get enough red panda videos, which he needs me to send as links to him because he won’t search youtube because he’s ‘afraid of what I might find there’.

75 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:30:49pm

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

They’re Trotskyites? They’re Leninists? Syndicalists? Anarchists?

Color me confused…

As usual, there will probably be more speakers than the general public.

The group that’s putting it on is a Trostkyite group, but it looks like the speakers include every fringe radical cause in the world.

76 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:31:24pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

The group that’s putting it on is a Trostkyite group, but it looks like the speakers include every fringe radical cause in the world.

Will they have giant paper mache heads?

77 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:31:37pm

re: #44 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile, in Britain:

Damn paintings, always up in people’s faces with their subversive messages, propaganda parades, and attractive frames.

78 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:31:54pm

The parties this weekend just got a bit party-er.

79 klys and whatnot  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:31:59pm

re: #69 thedopefishlives

Me, I am more of a winter person. Hence why I moved to the wild NORTH country. I only have to endure 2 or so weeks of 90+ degree, high humidity days.

I highly approve.

You can always put on more layers. But the electrician is coming by today to review some stuffs (for the above-mentioned electrical work, like replacing the panel circa 1960 which is a necessary precursor to installing AC) and so I can’t even take all layers off. :(

80 jaunte  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:32:08pm

Edit: Evil, vile heretic politically inept and alienating.

81 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:32:18pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Nobody ever calls me a vile heretic. Damn.

82 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:32:29pm

re: #81 darthstar

Nobody ever calls me a vile heretic. Damn.

You vile heretic.

83 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:32:52pm

re: #60 klys and whatnot

Which on one hand, eep.

On the other hand, it’s in Arizona. It’s summer. It’s supposed to get hot in the desert in the summer and so everyone down there has AC. Up here, however (as you know), it’s not supposed to get hot and so nobody used to have AC.

What I cannot figure is why anyone would live in a place trying so hard to kill them.

Sunday’s high is supposed to be 108. Tomorrow’s 106.

The Peninsula will be much cooler. Go sight seeing. Hell, camp out in a bookstore.

84 klys and whatnot  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:32:54pm

re: #78 darthstar

The parties this weekend just got a bit party-er.

I’ll celebrate that.

85 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:33:09pm

re: #78 darthstar

The parties this weekend just got a bit party-er.

Which means CA will start issuing marriage licenses ASAP, as directed by Jerry Brown.

86 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:33:11pm

re: #79 klys and whatnot

The fishfolk back home all think I’m crazy.

87 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:33:14pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

My Niece is going to some convention or something in Phoenix, where it’s supposed to be 119 tomorrow.

One hundred nineteen degrees.

Buck up, it could be worse. She could be going to a Tea Party get together in 119F heat.

88 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:34:13pm

re: #60 klys and whatnot

Which on one hand, eep.

On the other hand, it’s in Arizona. It’s summer. It’s supposed to get hot in the desert in the summer and so everyone down there has AC. Up here, however (as you know), it’s not supposed to get hot and so nobody used to have AC.

Sunday’s high is supposed to be 108. Tomorrow’s 106.

Up here we’re bitching about 30C weather.

89 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:35:06pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Maybe the Teabaggers, libertarians, white supremacists, and assorted other RWNJs will crash it. There are probably more of them, in the US, at least.

90 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:35:50pm

Should MItch McConnell or any of his allies attempt to touch your swimsuit area we urge you to resist such pressure and to contact us immediately so that we may conduct appropriate oversight.

Not that the above sentence in no way should imply that Mitch McConnell is a pervy little douchebag who’s great grandfather fucked a box turtle, we’re just saying “be prepared.”

91 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:35:58pm
92 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:36:22pm

re: #82 thedopefishlives

You vile heretic.

Too late…the compliment has lost its luster.

93 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:36:24pm

re: #64 freetoken

I find it hard to believe many people take them seriously. That GG has to play this gig is sort of like an Elvis impersonator who can’t get booked in Vegas and plays Peoria instead.

Just watched an Elvis impersonator load up his vehicle in front of the old folks home my daughter works at.

I felt so sorry for him.

94 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:36:44pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

At Socialism 2013, “North Korea in the crosshairs” with David Whitehouse, an outright apologist for North Korea.

Too bad we can’t organize a field trip for wingnuts, show them around, let them view the moonbats in their native habitat, maybe pick up some free propaganda they can recycle for talking points.
“Now, THESE are Marxists and radical kooks, people. Obama is not here. One of these things is not like the other.”

95 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:36:53pm

re: #92 darthstar

Too late…the compliment has lost its luster.

You can’t say I didn’t try. It is an entertaining turn of phrase, though.

96 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:37:01pm

re: #87 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Buck up, it could be worse. She could be going to a Tea Party get together in 119F heat.

Flash flood warning…or is that flesh?

97 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:37:15pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

My wife loves box turtles.

Any kind of turtle really.

One of my favorite movies is Tampopo. Wonderful funny Japanese movie.

Midway through a dude kills a turtle.

My wife wouldn’t speak to me for an hour.

I guess the moral is don’t fuck box turtles because it’d make my wife mad.

98 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:37:56pm

OT, the paleocon response to the VRA decision, in the inimitable words of Pat Buchanan humanevents.com

He starts with the idea that the VRA was a “second reconstruction”. Yeesh.

99 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:38:13pm
The use and abuse of statistics

Elizabeth Wrigley-Field

Science and society

She’s got a great name!

100 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:38:14pm

re: #97 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Tampopo is a great film.

101 HAL2010  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:39:03pm

Testing to see if the tweet and reply gets shown.
Lets see what happens.

102 HAL2010  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:39:17pm

Success!

103 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:39:38pm

re: #97 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I guess the moral is don’t fuck box turtles because it’d make my wife mad.

Not to pry, but I suspect that it’s not just box turtles you shouldn’t fuck if you don’t want her to get mad.

104 freetoken  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:40:09pm

Hmmm… maybe the GOP could learn from the LDP:

Japan PM Abe Hops in Voter-wooing Game App

It’s a bird, it’s a plane… It’s a cartoon version of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, hopping and somersaulting his way through the sky in a smartphone game app his party hopes will lure young voters ahead of a July 21 election.

A growing number of Japanese politicians are venturing into the cyber world after a legal change allowed the use of social media in campaigns, setting up Facebook pages and twitter accounts to woo voters before a July upper house election.

But the app, which has the imprimatur of Abe’s Liberal Democratic Party [LDP], goes further in its effort to court tech-savvy youngsters, who tend to be apathetic about politics and put off by traditional campaigns featuring white-gloved politicians blaring their names and slogans over loudspeakers.

“There were worries that some young people thought the LDP was distant, that we lacked intimacy… that they didn’t know anything about us,” Takuya Hirai, a lawmaker and head of the LDP’s internet strategy team, told Reuters.

[…]

Some voters said they felt fonder of Abe after playing.

“It really gets you thinking about politics. It makes me think I should vote for him,” said Emi Yamada, a 22-year-old student.

[…]

Maybe the GOP can release a game where Rick Perry bounces around on clouds?

105 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:41:20pm

re: #91 darthstar

A bit more here:

latimes.com

106 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:41:47pm

re: #87 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Buck up, it could be worse. She could be going to a Tea Party get together in 119F heat.

Luckily, you have to go all the way to second cousins to hit Teabaggers in my family, though my one sister is a Republican. Just not batshit crazy about it.

107 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:42:40pm
108 jaunte  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:43:27pm
Saturday 9:30-11am The irrelevance of permanent revolution - Neil Davidson

socialismconference.org

109 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:44:12pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Should MItch McConnell or any of his allies attempt to touch your swimsuit area we urge you to resist such pressure and to contact us immediately so that we may conduct appropriate oversight.

When you say ‘swimsuit area’, are you talking string bikini? Or the old ‘Catalina’ suits the Miss America contestants used to wear. It makes a difference.

110 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:45:31pm

re: #108 jaunte

That won’t go over well with the Leninists.

111 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:46:23pm

re: #110 Justanotherhuman

That won’t go over well with the Leninists.

Or the self-appointed Jeffersonians.

112 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:46:30pm

re: #110 Justanotherhuman

Oh wait—you said “IRrelevance”. It’s the Trotskyites who embrace that one.

113 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:46:32pm

re: #81 darthstar

Nobody ever calls me a vile heretic. Damn.

i’ve received secret accusations that you are an albigensian

114 Tigger2  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:47:15pm

From that one would think the damn Republicans think they own the fucking country.

115 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:47:50pm

re: #114 Tigger2

Ya would think the damn Republicans think they own the fucking country.

They DO think they own the country. Or at the very least, think that they should.

116 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:48:30pm

re: #113 engineer cat

i’ve received secret accusations that you are an albigensian

It’s a good week to be a homooisian.

117 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:48:41pm

OK, this cold is kicking my butt. Time for a nap.

118 HAL2010  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:48:45pm

Wingnuts, to left of me, teabagers to the right, here I stand, stuck in the middle with lizards.

119 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:49:15pm

re: #114 Tigger2

Ya would think the damn Republicans think they own the fucking country.

Most of them do…ask Mitt.

120 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:49:15pm

re: #113 engineer cat

i’ve received secret accusations that you are an albigensian

Well, that does make me feel better.

121 piratedan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:50:14pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

The group that’s putting it on is a Trostkyite group, but it looks like the speakers include every fringe radical cause in the world.

looks like the casting call for the assault on Rock Ridge…..hope someone remembered to bring a shitpotful of dimes this time

122 freetoken  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:50:48pm

WaPo declares boldly:

NFL says no to promoting Obamacare

[…]


Asked about the congressional letter, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league had not made any commitment to the administration. “We have responded to the letters we received from members of Congress to inform them we currently have no plans to engage in this area and have had no substantive contact with the administration about [the health-care law’s] implementation,” he said in an e-mail.

The NFL’s decision is the latest blow to the administration over the health-care law, which faces enormous hurdles as key portions go into effect in the coming months. Chief among the challenges is the political opposition to the law, which has persisted since its passage in 2010 despite hopes on the part of advocates that it would eventually be accepted as the law of the land.

[…]

So, WaPo declares this a “blow to the administration” in a the paragraph immediately after the NFL states “have had no substantive contact with the administration”.

This seems to me to be a case where WaPo had the story they wanted to print - a “blow” to the administration - when the characters involved appear to have had no substantive interaction.

And then throwing in the bit about the ACA being “accepted” as law is really trying to push a story - many people don’t like laws that exist, but those laws still exist and people still follow them.

123 jaunte  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:51:03pm

“Spartacists, prepare for battle!”

124 freetoken  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:51:47pm

The DC media are desperate for a horse race, each day. They will generate a story if one convenient enough doesn’t exist.

125 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:52:33pm

From the Guardian article:

President Rafael Correa halted an effort to help Snowden leave Russia amid concern Assange was usurping the role of the Ecuadoran government, according to leaked diplomatic correspondence published on Friday

.

Oh, irony. You slay me.

126 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:52:47pm

So…
I seem to now have a pond in my backyard.
Fun.

127 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:53:24pm

re: #122 freetoken

So WaPo is saying I’m supposed to care what a bunch of overpaid athletes and their pimps have to say?

128 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:53:32pm

Ah, it’s finally starting to cool off, down a degree to 105.

129 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:54:10pm

Was 92. Now 68.

130 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:54:38pm

re: #126 Varek Raith

So…
I seem to now have a pond in my backyard.
Fun.

We lost power for an hour or so—had to sit on the back porch in the twilight. If this is an FNDT, y’all better catch up.

131 Tigger2  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:55:07pm

re: #78 darthstar

The parties this weekend just got a bit party-er.

Damn the country just died./////

132 freetoken  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:55:16pm

re: #127 Kragar

It’s the owners who are the “NFL” - I doubt the NFL asked the athletes.

133 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:55:19pm

bringing this up from downstairs…

134 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:55:24pm

Arlington county got hit hard. Trees down. Street signs blown off their posts.

135 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:56:46pm

re: #134 Varek Raith

Arlington county got hit hard. Trees down. Street signs blown off their posts.

THANKS SO FUCKING MUCH, GAY MARRIAGE!

136 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:57:56pm

DC now getting hit.
Over for us though.

137 freetoken  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:58:16pm

Speaking of laws:

Judge puts parts of new Kan. abortion law on hold

A Kansas judge has temporarily blocked parts of a sweeping state anti-abortion law set to take effect next week.

Shawnee County District Judge Rebecca Crotty issued her ruling Friday. She blocked a provision that would change the definition of what constitutes a medical emergency. She also blocked a requirement that abortion providers post a statement on their websites saying the state’s materials on abortion are accurate.

Two doctors contended the law would narrow the definition of medical emergency so much that a woman could never avoid restrictions, such as a 24-hour waiting period, even if her life were in imminent danger. Abortion opponents say that’s not the case.

[…]

And here McConnell is whining about the administration reaching out to various groups, when his own party in KS passes a law the forces third parties to declare statements on a gov’t website are “accurate”.

138 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 3:59:41pm

re: #135 Kragar

THANKS SO FUCKING MUCH, GAY MARRIAGE!

I told a gay friend of mine something along the lines of, “Yeah, we had a crappy day yesterday. But I’m going to blame it on the gays because Jesus.” She told me she about fell out of her chair laughing.

139 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:00:37pm

re: #137 freetoken

Speaking of laws:

Judge puts parts of new Kan. abortion law on hold

And here McConnell is whining about the administration reaching out to various groups, when his own party in KS passes a law the forces third parties to declare statements on a gov’t website are “accurate”.

In the 50s and 60s, the AMA had its face fully into politics. Where are they now, when random legislators are decreeing how medicine is to be practiced?

140 freetoken  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:01:22pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Well, in this case it was two doctors who brought the suit to court.

141 Wile E. Wonka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:01:43pm

re: #116 Decatur Deb

It’s a good week to be a homooisian.

Or an OG Bugger!

(Thunderstorm or no thunderstorm, I believe I have a demi-urge to join the parade on Sunday…)

142 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:01:58pm

re: #140 freetoken

Well, in this case it was two doctors who brought the suit to court.

Two. Where is their ‘union’?

143 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:02:44pm

Attention Please Arizona This Is The California Bay Area Will You Please Come By And Pick Up Your Weather It Has Wandered Out Of Your State And Strayed Over Here Thank You

144 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:04:09pm

re: #141 Wile E. Wonka

Or an OG Bugger!

(Thunderstorm or no thunderstorm, I believe I have a demi-urge to join the parade on Sunday…)

Our town in N. Italy had a church from the late 300s—Arian.

145 piratedan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:05:08pm

re: #143 engineer cat

Attention Please Arizona This Is The California Bay Area Will You Please Come By And Pick Up Your Weather It Has Wandered Out Of Your State And Strayed Over Here Thank You

it’s 112 here today, if you think i’m leaving my air conditioned confines, u b trippin. Go see a movie, stimulate the economy.

146 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:05:11pm

re: #140 freetoken

Well, in this case it was two doctors who brought the suit to court.

it’s ok as long as you bring along two pairs of pants

147 freetoken  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:05:35pm

In other big news today:

Ex-WWE wrestler Doink the Clown dies in Texas

Image: 20120702_raw_slater_doink.jpg

Maybe Rick Perry can pick up the gimmick?

148 Ace-o-aces  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:06:21pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

The group that’s putting it on is a Trostkyite group, but it looks like the speakers include every fringe radical cause in the world.

I thought all the Trostkyites became neocons.

149 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:07:23pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

Our town in N. Italy had a church from the late 300s—Arian.

coulda been built by visigoths. goths were arians and many lived in that area at the time

150 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:08:45pm

re: #149 engineer cat

coulda been built by visigoths. goths were arians and many lived in that area at the time

Longobards. (Longbeards, Lombards.)

151 Wile E. Wonka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:10:17pm

re: #122 freetoken

And then throwing in the bit about the ACA being “accepted” as law is really trying to push a story - many people don’t like laws that exist, but those laws still exist and people still follow them.

Maan… Between the ACA refuseniks, the anti-Marbury-v.-Madison DOMAists, and the Cold Dead Handers’ sovereign sheriffs’ leagues, it’s gettin’ hard out there for a wingnut. Almost like ya can’t be a law-abidin’ citizen no more.

Thank God for Elbridge Gerry.
/

152 freetoken  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:10:38pm

re: #148 Ace-o-aces

I thought all the Trostkyites became neocons.

I thought Stalin got rid of them all.

153 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:11:31pm

I just noticed the irony……on June 28th, 1969, the NYPD raided the Stonewall Inn, the event that essentially kicked off the gay-rights movement.

On June 28th, 2013 - 44 years later - same-sex couples were legally being married in the state of California.

That is almost within my lifetime, the Stonewall raid occurring a little over one month before I was born.

154 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:11:35pm

Five minutes until the end of civilization (or the first gay wedding in California since the lifting of Prop 8…whichever comes first).

155 Gus  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:12:30pm

Ho hum.

156 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:18:21pm

re: #91 darthstar

No, by immediately they mean that there’s a line around the block and people are already getting married in SF.

I think I overheard that on the radio while I was ordering my happy meal, I mean “mini meal” - no toy for me :( but I get a bigger drink.

157 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:19:46pm

re: #89 Justanotherhuman

Maybe the Teabaggers, libertarians, white supremacists, and assorted other RWNJs will crash it. There are probably more of them, in the US, at least.

Unlikely. It’s in Chicago, and wingnuts aren’t really common in my neck of the woods.

158 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:20:43pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

My Niece is going to some convention or something in Phoenix, where it’s supposed to be 119 tomorrow.

One hundred nineteen degrees.

but it will be a dry heat…

159 klys and whatnot  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:22:12pm

re: #156 stabby

…which is to say, more June weddings.

As, you know, today is June 28th, and you have to have a valid marriage license (issued by a government office, which will close for the weekend in ~30 minutes if it hasn’t already) to have a legal wedding…

160 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:23:05pm

re: #98 EPR-radar

OT, the paleocon response to the VRA decision, in the inimitable words of Pat Buchanan humanevents.com

He starts with the idea that the VRA was a “second reconstruction”. Yeesh.

In a way it was, but unlike Pat Buchanan, I happen to think the changes both Reconstruction and the Civil Rights Movement were trying to achieve were both good and needed.

My Standing Answer to Neo-Confederates:

Youtube Video

161 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:23:36pm

re: #159 klys and whatnot

OIC.

The lack of hotwheels or fairy princess rolling boots has obviously addled my brains.

162 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:24:27pm

re: #118 HAL2010

Wingnuts, to left of me, teabagers to the right, here I stand, stuck in the middle with lizards.

Just be careful not to look too insect like.

163 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:28:12pm

re: #146 engineer cat

it’s ok as long as you bring along two pairs of pants

Dry clean only.

164 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:28:16pm

re: #89 Justanotherhuman

Maybe the Teabaggers, libertarians, white supremacists, and assorted other RWNJs will crash it. There are probably more of them, in the US, at least.

If I were sitting through a seminar on “What do Marxists say about postmodernism?” I would fuck’n pray that someone would crash it.

165 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:29:23pm

re: #164 Decatur Deb

If I were sitting through a seminar on “What do Marxists say about postmodernism?” I would fuck’n pray that someone would crash it.

“fuck’n pray”…I’ve done that…sometimes in the reverse order.

166 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:30:00pm

re: #165 darthstar

“fuck’n pray”…I’ve done that…sometimes in the reverse order.

Well, those things are just sold for the prevention of disease…

167 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:31:04pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

In a way it was, but unlike Pat Buchanan, I happen to think the changes both Reconstruction and the Civil Rights Movement were trying to achieve were both good and needed.

My Standing Answer to Neo-Confederates:

[Embedded content]

Do you understand now that nothing prevented Shelby County from going through the bail out procedure?

168 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:31:31pm

zombies and disco

this weekend’s movie releases teh suck

169 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:32:47pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

but it will be a dry heat…

oops! forgot to add the picture of one of my fridgie magnets…

Arizona, it’s a dry heat

170 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:33:26pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

I think you were right about that, yes.

171 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:33:32pm

re: #164 Decatur Deb

If I were sitting through a seminar on “What do Marxists say about postmodernism?” I would fuck’n pray that someone would crash it.

I’d pray for a meteor to strike the Earth.

172 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:34:11pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

Do you understand now that nothing prevented Shelby County from going through the bail out procedure?

We all know what prevented Shelby County from doing a bail out. Their attitude:

We’ll just outlast those Yankee interlopers that inflicted Voting Rights Act pre-clearance on us.

173 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:34:32pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

I think you were right about that, yes.

Wasn’t that pretty much the basis of your entire argument?

174 Wile E. Wonka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:36:28pm

re: #153 Dr Lizardo

I just noticed the irony……on June 28th, 1969, the NYPD raided the Stonewall Inn, the event that essentially kicked off the gay-rights movement.

Well, they’d been raiding the Stonewall (and the other underground gay bars) for years, as just a fun thing to do on slow nights, but 6/28/69 was the first time the clientele rebelled. By some accounts I’ve heard, it was a helluva fight: drag queens forming impromptu chorus lines to taunt the cops, battle lines moving up and down the street for days as each side picked up reinforcements, the whole nine yards (of chiffon and taffeta, worsted, silk, and leather, one presumes).

On June 28th, 2013 - 44 years later - same-sex couples were legally being married in the state of California.

That is almost within my lifetime, the Stonewall raid occurring a little over one month before I was born.

I had just turned 1 at the time. Amazing, innit, how fast the world can change when it wants to?

I’m pretty sure the date of the Stonewall Riots is the reason June is Pride Month — it really was “the shot heard ‘round the world” for gay rights in America.

175 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:38:30pm

re: #171 Targetpractice

I’d pray for a meteor to strike the Earth.

The names of those in the convention are totally foreign to me except Greenwald. This is a cultural fringe, and they will have no impact on any election this decade. Nader was the last gravel that will be thrown into the machine.

176 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:42:57pm

re: #174 Wile E. Wonka

Well, they’d been raiding the Stonewall (and the other underground gay bars) for years, as just a fun thing to do on slow nights, but 6/28/69 was the first time the clientele rebelled. By some accounts I’ve heard, it was a helluva fight: drag queens forming impromptu chorus lines to taunt the cops, battle lines moving up and down the street for days as each side picked up reinforcements, the whole nine yards (of chiffon and taffeta, worsted, silk, and leather, one presumes).

I had just turned 1 at the time. Amazing, innit, how fast the world can change when it wants to?

I’m pretty sure the date of the Stonewall Riots is the reason June is Pride Month — it really was “the shot heard ‘round the world” for gay rights in America.

Yes, it is amazing, and despite the retrograde forces of the reactionaries, it’s heartening to see as well.

The first gay person I knew was when I was in college in the late 80s, a local café owner. Nice fellow, decent guy, good businessman. When you can put a face to what could otherwise be an amorphous mass, you develop empathy - well, OK, not everyone does, but most people do.

I lost contact with him over the intervening decades, but I hope that wherever he may be, whatever he may be doing, that he’s happy.

177 Lidane  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 4:54:55pm

Yes, because the NFL, NBA, NHL, PGA, and NASCAR implementing Obamacare for their employees is the most pressing issue facing the country today.

God damn the Republicans are useless.

178 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:01:36pm
179 calochortus  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:01:58pm

Don’t know if anyone else has posted this already since I just dropped in, but the first same sex marriage since Prop 8 is taking place in SF right now.

180 Spocomptonite  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:02:00pm

re: #143 engineer cat

Attention Please Arizona This Is The California Bay Area Will You Please Come By And Pick Up Your Weather It Has Wandered Out Of Your State And Strayed Over Here Thank You

Same here in Washington. We’ve got hundreds of thousands coming for a basketball tournament in the city streets and the forecast is near triple digit temperatures. And we’re the cooler area of the region! Gonna be breaking some record highs the for the next week, I think.

181 calochortus  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:03:22pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

Yours is even better ‘cause it has a photo. :)

Weddings will presumably take place all weekend as well. Pride parade and weddings.

182 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:03:43pm

re: #179 calochortus

Don’t know if anyone else has posted this already since I just dropped in, but the first same sex marriage since Prop 8 is taking place in SF right now.

22 seconds!

183 calochortus  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:04:47pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

Yep. I should have left my typos in so I could beat you…

184 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:05:40pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

WHY ISN’T CALIFORNIA FALLING INTO THE OCEAN?!!

Congrats to the happy couple.

185 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:06:00pm

re: #183 calochortus

Yep. I should have left my typos in so I could beat you…

Preview’s a bitch, ain’t it?

Although without it, I’d look somewhat illiterate…

186 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:07:55pm

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

WHY ISN’T CALIFORNIA FALLING INTO THE OCEAN?!!

There’s a book about when that happened. It’s a good read.

187 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:09:52pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

There’s a book about when that happened. It’s a good read.

I’ll have to check that out. Looks good.

188 calochortus  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:10:11pm

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

WHY ISN’T CALIFORNIA FALLING INTO THE OCEAN?!!

Why is the weather in SF predicted to be absolutely perfect this weekend (sunny, mid to upper 70s, light breeze) for all the Pride events if the Almighty isn’t pleased?

I also see the fine folks at protectmarriage.com are frothing at the mouth over the stay being lifted.

189 Political Atheist  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:12:55pm

In August I have my appointment with my accountant. On the agenda is Obama care. It’s going to be a real eye opener to see how it really deploys on the ground, personally and generally. Whose predictions will prove accurate? The fans? The critics? Neither?(My guess right there) Rates? Employer impact. Hiring. Benefits packages. I thanked Obama here wen it passed as I have a spouse with a list of previous conditions. I admit some trepidation, as Kaiser already announced really higher rates. Blue Cross has already raised rates. Certain studies stills say they will go down.

In my industry, the Richline Group is a big corporate thing to watch. Richline is part of the Buffet Group. They have bought a vertical structure-From gold refiner, through multiple layers and into retail. Upside down pyramid, and it looks like a big league corporate play for the bulk of the domestic profits in the industry. A Goliath among Davids.

190 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:13:20pm

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

WHY ISN’T CALIFORNIA FALLING INTO THE OCEAN?!!

That reminds me of an old song:

Day after day
More people move to L.A.
Sshh! Don’t you tell anybody
But the whole place is shakin’ away

Where will we go
When there’s no San Francisco?
Better get ready
To tie up your boat in Idaho!

191 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:17:10pm

re: #188 calochortus

Why is the weather in SF predicted to be absolutely perfect this weekend (sunny, mid to upper 70s, light breeze) for all the Pride events if the Almighty isn’t pleased?

I also see the fine folks at protectmarriage.com are frothing at the mouth over the stay being lifted.

LOLOLOLOL.

Freepers are taking it about as well as you’d expect them to as well. Ahahahahaha!!

192 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:17:36pm

re: #190 Vicious Babushka

Heh. I’ve heard that one, years and years ago.

193 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:18:04pm

Prop 8 Plaintiffs Kris Perry and Sandra Stier are now married

see, first it’s the gays and now they are allowing plaintiffs to marry, too

what’s next?

194 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:20:05pm

re: #193 engineer cat

Prop 8 Plaintiffs Kris Perry and Sandra Stier are now married

see, first it’s the gays and now they are allowing plaintiffs to marry, too

what’s next?

GRASSHOPPERS!!1!

195 calochortus  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:20:14pm

Gavin Newsom who started the whole thing in 2004 is now Lt. Gov. and is in transit from Sacramento to SF is being interviewed on the local news. He said he’s been waiting 9 years for this and he’s stuck in traffic… This was definitely a short-notice thing.

196 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:20:33pm

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

Poor babies, their widdle feewings are hurt and they haz a sad. Boo Hoo. So, like a year from now when the whole world hasn’t married their pets, I’m sure they’ll get over it. Nah, who am I kidding? They’ll bitch and whine forever. HAHAHAHAHA!

197 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:22:06pm

re: #196 A Mom Anon

Poor babies, their widdle feewings are hurt and they haz a sad. Boo Hoo. So, like a year from now when the whole world hasn’t married their pets, I’m sure they’ll get over it. Nah, who am I kidding? They’ll bitch and whine forever. HAHAHAHAHA!

They’ll bitch and whine and pray for the wrath of God to fall upon their enemies. And when that doesn’t happen, they’ll bitch and whine some more.

198 Wile E. Wonka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:23:23pm

re: #190 Vicious Babushka

Ha! The song my thoughts leapt to goes, “Learn to swim, I’ll see you down in Arizona Bay.”

The rest of the song isn’t one I’d quote in polite company unless I was feeling really pissed at Los Angeles that day. But today I guess I’m feeling just a bit more, oh, Randy Newman.

199 calochortus  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:24:33pm

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

I did see a comment from someone on FR a couple days ago saying his faith in God was weakening with all the bad news about equality. Of course, he didn’t phrase it quite that way.

Well, I gotta go start dinner. Hope I don’t melt. It’s still 95 outside and 82 inside, but we finally caved and turned on the AC so help is on the way.

200 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:25:40pm

re: #199 calochortus

I did see a comment from someone on FR a couple days ago saying his faith in God was weakening with all the bad news about equality. Of course, he didn’t phrase it quite that way.

Well, I gotta go start dinner. Hope I don’t melt. It’s still 95 outside and 82 inside, but we finally caved and turned on the AC so help is on the way.

Heh.

And bon appetit.

201 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:28:11pm
202 otoc  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:33:54pm
“should the administration”

Should, could, may. No wonder their followers exhibit many of the traitors of PPD. It all about fear. The. The paranoia hits. All the while they are focused like a laser on jobs and the economy as usual. GOP. Must stand for Grand Obsessive Paranoids as far as I’m concerned.

203 bratwurst  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:40:33pm

I am a subscriber to The Atlantic, but only because I had just renewed shortly before the people at their website couldn’t see a problem with running a advertisement for Scientology designed to mimic their journalistic content (as documented here.

However, now they have apparently given my home phone number to every single third party magazine subscription service on earth. I have had 5 phone calls attempting to sell me a subscription extension in 6 hours! I guess this is my punishment for not canceling months ago over their Scientology “mistake”. Of course, in that case they would probably be giving third parties my phone number to try to get my business back. It is fairly clear at this point that there is nothing they won’t do for money.

204 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:44:18pm

re: #203 bratwurst

they have apparently given my home phone number to every single third party magazine subscription service on earth.

Not given,, sold. And it’s not just them. Just about everyone does it now, from retailers to charitable orgs

205 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:45:12pm

re: #198 Wile E. Wonka

Ha! The song my thoughts leapt to goes, “Learn to swim, I’ll see you down in Arizona Bay.”

The rest of the song isn’t one I’d quote in polite company unless I was feeling really pissed at Los Angeles that day. But today I guess I’m feeling just a bit more, oh, Randy Newman.

I’m praying for rain
and I’m praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way
I wanna watch it all go down

Dances amongst the visions of sugarplumbs in my head quite often.

206 bratwurst  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:46:45pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

they have apparently given my home phone number to every single third party magazine subscription service on earth.

Not given,, sold. And it’s not just them. Just about everyone does it now, from retailers to charitable orgs

Clearly they sold my information for money. However, I subscribe to other publications and none of them are apparently in the same dire straits requiring them to go to this extreme.

207 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:47:57pm

re: #206 bratwurst

Meh, just tell them you are on the “do not call list” (if you are?) track & report their asses!

208 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:50:23pm

re: #207 Dancing along the light of day

Meh, just tell them you are on the “do not call list” (if you are?) track & report their asses!

The solicitor won’t tell (or probably even know) how/where they got the number from. As stated, many companies and charities sell their lists. Someone cold calling won’t know where a particular “lead” comes from, only that they have a name/number

209 bratwurst  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:50:44pm

re: #207 Dancing along the light of day

Meh, just tell them you are on the “do not call list” (if you are?) track & report their asses!

I am on the Do Not Call list (and I recommend everyone reading this get on it as well donotcall.gov ). However, they can likely point to an exemption as they are calling on behalf of an entity I have done business with in the last 18 months.

210 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 5:56:10pm

Oh, good. Stanley just logged in.

Watch out for Stinky Beaumont.

Later, lizards.

211 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 6:01:08pm

re: #209 bratwurst

F that, I had a “creepy clown” caller that left voicemails 3-4 times a day. I started tracking them & reported them. I CERTAINLY hope they got fined the $1500 per violation.

212 Stanghazi  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 6:01:31pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

Oh, good. Stanley just logged in.

Watch out for Stinky Beaumont.

Later, lizards.

You know I need it. Thanks WW!!

(I loved the white camo kitty)

213 dell*nix  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 6:50:17pm

chuckleaduck.com seems to be a good description of a lot of Congress.

214 Weet  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 8:12:56pm

It was hot today in Dallas, officially 105, but our average high over the next 9 days is only 92. We’ve had a really nice year here.

215 Weet  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 9:01:49pm

There are so many lies in that McConnell letter. Yet you’ll never hear about it in the MSM. Enraging.


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