Guardian/Observer Publishes, Then Pulls New NSA Bombshell Story Featuring Birther Wayne Madsen

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Wow, a massive fail by the Guardian/Observer tonight, as their latest BREAKING BOMBSHELL story on NSA spying features Birther (and all-around tin foil hat conspiracy theorist) Wayne Madsen: Revealed: Secret European Deals to Hand Over Private Data to America | World News | the Observer.

The article’s been pulled down now, but here’s a screenshot and the first few paragraphs:

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At least six European Union countries in addition to Britain have been colluding with the US over the mass harvesting of personal communications data, according to a former contractor to America’s National Security Agency, who said the public should not be “kept in the dark”.

Wayne Madsen, a former US navy lieutenant who first worked for the NSA in 1985 and over the next 12 years held several sensitive positions within the agency, names Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain and Italy as having secret deals with the US.

Madsen said the countries had “formal second and third party status” under signal intelligence (sigint) agreements that compels them to hand over data, including mobile phone and internet information to the NSA if requested.

Under international intelligence agreements, confirmed by declassified documents, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is first party while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy second party relationships. Germany and France have third party relationships.

In an interview published last night on the privacysurgeon.org blog, Madsen, who has been attacked for holding controversial views on espionage issues, said he had decided to speak out after becoming concerned about the “half story” told by EU politicians regarding the extent of the NSA’s activities in Europe.

He said that under the agreements, which were drawn up after the second world war, the “NSA gets the lion’s share” of the sigint “take”. In return, the third parties to the NSA agreements received “highly sanitised intelligence”.

Madsen said he was alarmed at the “sanctimonious outcry” of political leaders who were “feigning shock” about the spying operations while staying silent about their own arrangements with the US, and was particularly concerned that senior German politicians had accused the UK of spying when their country had a similar third-party deal with the NSA.

Although the level of co-operation provided by other European countries to the NSA is not on the same scale as that provided by the UK, the allegations are potentially embarrassing.

Not half as embarrassing as this article itself.

To make matters even worse, it looks like this has already gone to print as a front-page story in tomorrow’s Observer:

Here’s Google’s cached version of the article (which isn’t permanent): Revealed: Secret European Deals to Hand Over Private Data to America | World News | the Observer.

Also see
The Guardian & the Observer Digital Editions
UPDATE at 6/29/13 5:34:39 pm

Glenn Greenwald is responding in his usual fashion:

But here’s the thing; this article was also prominently featured on the front pages of the Guardian’s websites. Two screenshots from Google’s cache (hat tip: Gus):

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461 comments
1 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:29:27pm

Charles the first sentence of the post has misspelled Madsen’s last name (you got an extra “d” in there).

2 BigPapa  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:31:00pm

Attention whores LOL.

3 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:31:03pm

He’s a birther too?

4 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:33:34pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Thanks, I just caught that.

5 BigPapa  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:33:48pm

re: #3 Gus

He’s a birther too?

KooKoo for Cocoa Puffs

6 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:36:01pm

Look, sooner or latter they will find something.

7 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:36:54pm

Taken down: deals to hand over private data to America
This article has been taken down pending an investigation.

Heh.

8 BigPapa  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:38:09pm

The Mossad/NSA finally got to the Guardian.

9 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:39:40pm

re: #7 Gus

Taken down: deals to hand over private data to America
This article has been taken down pending an investigation.

Heh.

Innovative newspaper—they seem to have crowdsourced ‘editing’.

10 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:40:31pm

Prop. 8 backers ask Supreme Court to stop new same sex marriages

The group that sponsored California’s Proposition 8 filed an overnight petition to the Supreme Court asking it to block a federal appeal’s court decision to give the state the go-ahead to resume allowing same sex couples to marry.

The Los Angeles Times reported that ProtectMarriage’s petition to Justice Anthony Kennedy accused the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals of acting prematurely on Friday when it lifted the stay on the injunction that declared the law unconstitutional before the end of the 25-day waiting period during which parties involved with a Supreme Court case can seek a new hearing.

“People on both sides of this debate should at least agree that the courts must follow their own rules,” ProtectMarriage chief counsel Andy Pugno said in a statement. “This kind of lawlessness just further weakens the public’s confidence in the legitimacy of our legal system. We hope the Supreme Court will step in and restore some order here.”

Here is an idea. How about the Prop 8 backers fuck right off and everyone else can go back to ignoring them?

11 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:40:36pm

Retweeted by William Gibson. Cool.

12 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:42:52pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Retweeted by William Gibson. Cool.

He’s the one that tipped me off first. With this Tweet,


Also,

13 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:42:53pm

Hong Kong filmmakers unveil first movie adaptation of Snowden saga

I’ll wait for the porn version.

14 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:44:39pm

And again,

15 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:48:08pm

lol, quit attacking the messenger!!!1!!

I hear Orly Taitz has leaked some pretty explosive stuff to them. Stay tuned…….

16 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:49:09pm

re: #15 b.d.

Did she have those beans again? /

17 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:50:42pm

And there we go - didn’t take long…

18 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:51:29pm

re: #15 b.d.

lol, quit attacking the messenger!!!1!!

I hear Orly Taitz has leaked some pretty explosive stuff to them. Stay tuned…….

Yeah, refried beans will do that to you.

19 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:53:50pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

And there we go - didn’t take long…

Heh, and the commentators are all Guardian registrants. Check it out.

20 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:54:14pm

Why quibble. It was link bait for Guardian regulars.

21 Blue Point  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:57:01pm

I fell asleep last night to overnight AM cluster fuck paranoid radio. I then woke up to witness all day all the time cluster fuck bird shit reporting by………..That’s the 64 Thousand Dollar Question. Who the fuck are these people?

22 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:58:01pm

So the difference between The Guardian and The Observer is like the difference between FoxNews and FoxBusiness?

23 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:59:10pm

re: #14 Gus

Which one of those papers is available at the Moscow airport?

24 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 4:59:14pm

re: #21 nines09

I fell asleep last night to overnight AM cluster fuck paranoid radio. I then woke up to witness all day all the time cluster fuck bird shit reporting by………..That’s the 64 Thousand Dollar Question. Who the fuck are these people?

They are the guardians of liberty. They are the sentinels of freedom.
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25 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:01:24pm

re: #24 Kragar

They are the guardians of liberty. They are the sentinels of freedom.
///

The Guardian sure has taken a nose dive since hiring Greenwald.

26 jaunte  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:01:51pm

re: #24 Kragar

Disagree, and you have voluntarily given up your 4th Amendment rights.

27 Bulworth  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:06:41pm

re: #7 Gus

Usually the “investigation” comes before publishing, but…..

28 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:07:21pm

re: #27 Bulworth

Usually the “investigation” comes before publishing, but…..

That is so old school.
/

29 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:07:32pm
30 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:07:43pm

re: #25 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

They have always had an issue with being nasty. Look at their history.

31 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:08:05pm
32 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:08:08pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

He’s all riled up.

33 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:08:16pm
34 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:08:34pm
35 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:08:45pm
36 jaunte  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:08:55pm

Sure, looks totally separate.
observer.guardian.co.uk

37 Political Atheist  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:09:18pm

re: #13 Kragar

Hong Kong filmmakers unveil first movie adaptation of Snowden saga

I’ll wait for the porn version.

I have seen some porn, but never saw anyone screw a whole country before.

38 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:09:48pm
“A lot of this information isn’t secret, nor is it new,” Madsen said

Even that moron admits it but the freakout crowd continues to freak out, just like Greenwald tells them to.

39 Bulworth  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:11:29pm

The whole story was worth it, though, if it leads to the most awesome word ever — FulltinfoilJacket

40 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:11:50pm

First Greenwald, then Madsen in The Guardian. Unfuckingbelievable.

Way to lose your reputation.

41 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:12:25pm

I like how Greenwald isn’t trying to defend the fact the article is a complete load of shit, he’s just complaining the paper named was wrong

42 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:14:08pm

re: #13 Kragar

Hong Kong filmmakers unveil first movie adaptation of Snowden saga

I’ll wait for the porn version.

“The part of the pole dancer is played by Squicky the Octopus”.

43 The Mountain That Blogs  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:15:42pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

That guy didn’t even mention @ggreenwald in his tweet. People who search their own name are pretty bad.

44 lawhawk  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:15:56pm

re: #22 b.d.

Look, the NY Times owns the Boston Globe (or at least were up until they eventually get sold). But they have different website URLs and separate editorial and journalist staff.

Here? The Observer and Guardian are basically sharing the website. The observer.co.uk links redirect to observer.guardian.co.uk/‎

Kinda hard to argue that they’re not joined at the hip when they’re doing that.

Search for Madsen and you come up with nothing. They scrubbed the link pretty thoroughly.

45 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:16:17pm

Journalists: You know there’s a problem when the John Birch Socisty rag starts touting your stories.

46 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:17:38pm

So is somebody out there pulling the print version out of all the boxes and the readers’ hands?

47 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:18:26pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

The ten little pixies are very busy. //

48 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:18:28pm

re: #44 lawhawk

Look, the NY Times owns the Boston Globe (or at least were up until they eventually get sold). But they have different website URLs and separate editorial and journalist staff.

Here? The Observer and Guardian are basically sharing the website. The observer.co.uk links redirect to observer.guardian.co.uk/‎

Kinda hard to argue that they’re not joined at the hip when they’re doing that.

Search for Madsen and you come up with nothing. They scrubbed the link pretty thoroughly.

49 lawhawk  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:19:54pm

re: #48 Gus

Interesting. The site’s search returns nothing useful.

Very interesting indeed.

50 jaunte  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:20:23pm

Madsen spotting in a Guardian report on 9/11 truthers:

How the world changed after 9/11

On the day of September 11, Charlie Skelton attends a symposium of critical thinkers in New York

“…Wayne Madsen - a former naval officer and NSA operative - spoke of the atmosphere of “hype and fear” that still grips America, 10 years after 9/11. A fear that’s pumped into us, relentlessly, through our flatscreen HD Orwellian “telescreens”.

Madsen called for the release of the commission findings that Ludkowski told me about last night: “Let’s get those documents out of the National Archives!” But he noted that the man whose job it is to decide what gets released, the administrator of the White House office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, is one Cass Sunstein. The same Cass Sunstein that in 2008 urged the government to “cognitively infiltrate” alternative groups like the 9/11 Truth Movement. So releasing those documents probably isn’t top of his to-do list.

He’s also the same Cass Sunstein that wrote the first op-ed about Julian Assange - the CIA asset and “child of MK Ultra”, as Tarpley dubs him. But that’s a whole other can of worms …

Critical thinkers. /
Also, that’s not really an op-ed about Assange.

51 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:21:07pm

Remember Echelon?

Same guy, 13 years ago:
guardian.co.uk

52 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:22:22pm

Oh, and here’s the obligatory link to the JBS defending Snowden and Greenwald,

WARNING: HATE SITE

thenewamerican.com

53 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:22:33pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

So is somebody out there pulling the print version out of all the boxes and the readers’ hands?

Greenwald is personally going to call every subscriber and reiterate to them how the paper they are reading has nothing to do with The Guardian or Glenn Greenwald.

54 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:22:47pm

Oh lookie here!

55 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:24:57pm

re: #53 b.d.

Greenwald is personally going to call every subscriber and reiterate to them how the paper they are reading has nothing to do with The Guardian or Glenn Greenwald.

That’s hilarious.

56 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:25:38pm

Wendy Davis: Texas GOP anti-abortion law is ‘big government intrusion’

Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis (D) continued her public sparring with Gov. Rick Perry (R) over both a state bill that would close all but five of the state’s abortion providers and Perry’s recent criticism of the filibuster she initiated that led to the bill failing to pass on June 25.

“What’s offensive to me is, he’s made this very personal to Texans overall,” Davis told ABC News interviewer Jake Zeleny in video released on Saturday. “He’s awfully fond of talking the talk of small government, but this is big government intrusion, and it’s very unfortunate and sad that people’s personal health and safety are at risk for his political purposes.”

57 lawhawk  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:27:43pm

Meanwhile, Der Spiegel is “breaking news” about how the NSA is spying on EU diplomats.

Information obtained by SPIEGEL shows that America’s National Security Agency (NSA) not only conducted online surveillance of European citizens, but also appears to have specifically targeted buildings housing European Union institutions. The information appears in secret documents obtained by whistleblower Edward Snowden that SPIEGEL has in part seen. A “top secret” 2010 document describes how the secret service attacked the EU’s diplomatic representation in Washington.

The document suggests that in addition to installing bugs in the building in downtown Washington, DC, the EU representation’s computer network was also infiltrated. In this way, the Americans were able to access discussions in EU rooms as well as emails and internal documents on computers.

The attacks on EU institutions show yet another level in the broad scope of the NSA’s spying activities. For weeks now, new details about Prism and other surveillance programs have been emerging that had been compiled by whistleblower Snowden. Details have also emerged that the British intelligence service GCHQ operates a similar program under the name Tempora with which global telephone and Internet connections are monitored.

Specifics may be new, but that we’re spying on everyone isn’t. It would be a blatant derogation of duty to not be checking on everyone, friend and foe alike. We just don’t make these things public knowledge.

58 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:28:13pm

Wow, this post is taking off on Twitter.

59 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:29:56pm

Charles, maybe put this pic up too.

60 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:32:13pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

So Greenwald is saying the Guardian spied on and stole an Observer article and published it, hoping the Observer wouldn’t notice?

61 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:33:20pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

I hope my sharing will help.

62 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:37:31pm

re: #59 Gus

I just updated with both of those cached pages - thanks!

63 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:41:57pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

I just updated with both of those cached pages - thanks!

Puts a wrinkle in their The Observer is not the Guardian defense. Right, the Guardian was just promoting it big time and attracting Guardian regulars in the comments and being sub promoted in other sections of the Guardian including making the most popular articles in the sidebar of the Guardian. But yeah, it’s not the Guardian, per se. (Cough, cough, cough.)

64 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:44:10pm
65 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:46:01pm

The Guardian has used Madsen before, as in this story, too:

American navy ‘helped Venezuelan coup’
guardian.co.uk

“Wayne Madsen, a former intelligence officer with the US navy, told the Guardian yesterday that American military attaches had been in touch with members of the Venezuelan military to examine the possibility of a coup. “

Notice how he’s always cited as a “former intelligence officer with the US navy” as a way to give him credibility. But was he ever really in intelligence in the Navy?

66 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:46:44pm

re: #63 Gus

Long enough for 401 comments—all gone.

67 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:48:14pm

re: #51 Randall Gross

Remember Echelon?

Same guy, 13 years ago:
guardian.co.uk

Perhaps he was smarter then—there probably is (or was) something to ECHELON.

68 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:48:39pm

Wayne Madsen

Edward Snowden

Hmmmm.

//

69 Joanne  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:50:44pm

What were the comments on the cached story’s comments that Der Spiegel released a bunch if Snowden docs? I’m on my phone. Anyone can run a translate?

spiegel.de

70 Joanne  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:53:02pm

re: #57 lawhawk

Ooops. Disregard my prior comment.

Thanks Lawhawk!

71 abolitionist  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:53:07pm

re: #69 Joanne

What were the comments on the cached story’s comments that Der Spiegel released a bunch if Snowden docs? I’m on my phone. Anyone can run a translate?

spiegel.de

Just click on English at the top of the page; 5th item.

72 lawhawk  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:54:23pm

So, digging around the Observer site, and notice they’ve got a blog that’s supposed to highlight the editorial decisions it takes. It’s no longer operable, but note the URL: guardian.co.uk

It now redirects to another Guardian page.

73 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 5:55:37pm

re: #69 Joanne

What were the comments on the cached story’s comments that Der Spiegel released a bunch if Snowden docs? I’m on my phone. Anyone can run a translate?

spiegel.de

Seems that Snowden defected from Greenwaldia to Der Spiegel. He is getting smarter but it is too late.

74 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:01:21pm

Apparently I failed to credit somebody whose post I never saw. That’s just how evil and self-absorbed I am.

75 lawhawk  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:02:30pm


Wayne Madsen, another conspiracist whose ultimate function is discrediting legit reporting on state abuses of power - Max Blumenthal

Despite all the bluster, nothing has been done in violation of US law or the US Constitution. There’s lots of allegations and leaps of logic, but despite the sensationalism, we are doing nothing wrong by listening in on anyone outside the US - friend or foe. It’s made to seem unseemly but it would be criminal not to be checking on everyone - just as surely as everyone else is trying to do the same with us.

76 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:03:03pm

Can’t stop
No they can’t stop
They just can’t stop
Thinking about me

77 lawhawk  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:04:22pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

You’re inside their OODA loop. And they’ve fixated… for a very long time. Not healthy for them by a long shot.

78 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:05:23pm

re: #77 lawhawk

You’re inside their OODA loop. And they’ve fixated… for a very long time. Not healthy for them by a long shot.

A really really long time. An insanely long time. I don’t know how they can stand it, honestly. Gotta suck.

79 jaunte  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:05:39pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

I guess you were supposed to notice his tweet, which is all of 2 hours old.
twitter.com

80 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:06:14pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Apparently I failed to credit somebody whose post I never saw. That’s just how evil and self-absorbed I am.

Who’s Moynihan? How do you credit something that is self evident?

81 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:09:08pm

re: #80 Gus

Who’s Moynihan? How do you credit something that is self evident?

I can see all tweets posted on Twitter and all comments posted on the Internet. That’s one of the evil powers I have.

82 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:09:23pm

Night Lizards.I came, I saw, I posted (more or less).

Sleep well.

83 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:09:52pm

re: #79 jaunte

I guess you were supposed to notice his tweet, which is all of 2 hours old.
twitter.com

Actually it was William Gibson.


vs.


I saw Gibson’s first.

84 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:09:59pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

I can see all tweets posted on Twitter and all comments posted on the Internet. That’s one of the evil powers I have.

Are you familiar with all the traditions?

85 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:10:05pm

Also, notice the times.

86 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:10:28pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

I can see all tweets posted on Twitter and all comments posted on the Internet. That’s one of the evil powers I have.

CJDS

87 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:11:10pm

re: #83 Gus

I saw Gibson’s tweets first too. That’s why I included one of them in the post.

88 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:13:08pm

re: #83 Gus

Nice catch. This surely doesn’t need to turn into a pissing match.

89 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:14:05pm

re: #88 b.d.

Nice catch. This surely doesn’t need to turn into a pissing match.

I don’t give a crap what Donald Douglas thinks. This isn’t exactly world changing events here.

90 jaunte  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:14:06pm

re: #85 Gus

Also, notice the times.

I’m sure we’ll see a retraction from the nice gentlemen.

91 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:19:02pm

What I want to know is how did Spiegel really get to see those documents? Who passed them off to them, or showed them via Skype for instance (Greenwald’s favorite means of communication, it seems), or in ordinary email or fax? It just says “information obtained” and “that SPIEGEL has in part seen”. It doesn’t specifically say that they met with Snowden; in fact, it avoids saying that.

92 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:23:42pm

re: #91 Justanotherhuman

Spiegel probably has sources in the GRU

93 piratedan  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:26:49pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

I saw Gibson’s tweets first too. That’s why I included one of them in the post.

damn, must be a bitch not being omniscient Charles…. nice to know that with the entire debacle of the GG/Snowden saga, that the editorial criteria is still the same over at The Guardian/Observer media empire.

94 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:28:01pm
95 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:28:09pm

re: #92 b.d.

Why would the Russians give them to a German outlet? Oh, wait: english.pravda.ru

96 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:30:14pm

re: #94 Gus

I rather have a “great scoop” of Haagen Daz. //

97 Joanne  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:31:33pm
98 BroncD  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:31:45pm

Hey, it’s no surprise Glenn is able to so easily Cognitive-Dissonance himself away from Wayne Madsen by simply going “have someone explain to you what a byline is, moron.”
It’s the same trick he and all the other PaulTards use to pretend Dr. Paul had nothing to do with those racist newsletters (that he totally had everything to do with).

99 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:33:38pm

re: #97 Joanne

Power Point Slides. Serious business.
/

100 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:37:39pm

re: #99 Kragar

Power Point Slides. Serious business.
/

Yep, expect the Flow Chart of Doom any day now.

101 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:38:55pm

Mainstream acceptance has caused the conspiracy industry to start imploding. Too many sharp eyes watching, too many critical ears listening and paying attention, too many skeptics in the audience.

102 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:39:13pm

THE JUICE ARE BEHIND EVERYTHING!!11TY
— Wayne Madsen

103 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:39:17pm

re: #100 b.d.

Yep, expect the Flow Chart of Doom any day now.

The Pie Chart of Global Annihilation will not be ignored

104 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:40:16pm
105 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:41:36pm

re: #104 Gus

Print, then verify.
/

106 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:43:03pm

re: #104 Gus

Salon is reporting the Guardian’s Wayne Madsen story as true. salon.com … via @Salon

How freaking fitting

Prachi Gupta is an Assistant News Editor for Salon, focusing on pop culture

107 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:44:24pm

re: #106 b.d.

How freaking fitting

Notice how it reads, “The Guardian reports.” Hehe. Greenwald hasn’t freaked out yet?

FOR THE LAST TIME, IT’S NOT THE GUARDIAN!
- Glenn Greenwald

108 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:45:24pm

He even blamed Anders Breivik on the Juice. Mossad to be specific.

109 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:46:00pm

re: #107 Gus

Notice how it reads, “The Guardian reports.” Hehe. Greenwald hasn’t freaked out yet?

FOR THE LAST TIME, IT’S NOT THE GUARDIAN!
- Glenn Greenwald

Hahaha, my hunch is that some of his old buddies at Salon did that on purpose.

110 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:49:56pm
111 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:50:07pm

Coulter: Immigration push gives Democrats ‘30 million unskilled, law-breaking voters’

Gee, Anne makes it sound like there is nothing on Earth the GOP could do to appeal to non-white, non-Christian voters.
/

112 Joanne  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:50:48pm
113 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:53:45pm

Duh! Of course.

114 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:55:01pm

Currently 126 degrees in Death Valley. Relief is on the way for the locals, though: The overnight low will be a frosty 98. High for tomorrow, 130. They are within striking distance of an all-time global high, 134, set there almost exactly 100 years ago on July 10th, 1913.

115 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:55:07pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Duh! Of course.

Yes, don’t you know it’s all about you!!??11ty

116 jaunte  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:58:25pm

re: #112 Joanne

“…My problems started with Greenwald in November 2010, after Yasha and I co-wrote a story on the brief media hysteria that month over TSA “police state” attacks on Americans’ liberties, which, we reported for The Nation, was being led by armies of Koch-linked libertarians, some of whom were caught faking their outrage. I didn’t know much about Greenwald before reading his bizarre, hysterical smears against our journalism and our credibility on behalf of another Greenwald “hero” — this time, it was “Don’t Touch My Junk” anti-TSA guy John Tyner. Greenwald demanded that everyone agree Tyner was a “brave” hero standing up to government tyranny; and anyone who questioned the anti-TSA hysteria was a government operative enforcing two-party tyranny. Rings a bell, doesn’t it.”
nsfwcorp.com

117 Kragar  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 6:59:59pm

RNC Chairman: GOP Does ‘Lousy Job’ Of Courting Latinos

“I’ll be honest here. In the past two years, we’ve done a pretty lousy job of connecting in the Latino community,” Priebus said in his remarks at a Chicago event for the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, as quoted by the Tribune. “We’ve missed out on opportunities to build better relationships. But that’s going to change.”

“I didn’t come here to convert you,” he added. “I hope that it’s clear that we want to earn your trust and your vote.”

“In the mean time, allow us to make fun of your heritage and accuse you all of being illegal and on welfare.”

118 BroncD  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:07:38pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Nice to see “the other McCain” got looped in on that one.

119 Interesting Times  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:13:19pm

re: #117 Kragar

RNC Chairman: GOP Does ‘Lousy Job’ Of Courting Latinos

“I didn’t come here to convert you,” he added. “I hope that it’s clear that we want to earn your trust and your vote.”

Note the word choice here - not “we’ll work”, or even “we’ll try”, but we want - which can be accurately translated as, “we want favors from you, but whether we’ll actually do anything in return is totally up to us.”

120 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:14:10pm
121 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:28:46pm
122 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:30:29pm

Charlie Skelton’s Bilderblog | World news | The Guardian

123 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:31:06pm

News! LOL

124 BroncD  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:37:03pm

re: #120 Gus

Translation: JOOOOOOOS

125 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:37:24pm

re: #121 Gus

Awesome. Just awesome.

126 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:38:44pm

re: #124 BroncD

Translation: JOOOOOOOS

That’s the old standard. I see Bilderberg nuts and I immediately think of TEH JUICE folks.

127 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:42:18pm

re: #25 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

The Guardian sure has taken a nose dive since hiring Greenwald.

True. They’ve fallen off the top of the Stupid Tree and seem determined to smack their head on every single branch on the way down.

128 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:48:32pm

It’s on Drudge.

129 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:48:42pm

The Salon remnants.

130 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:50:12pm

re: #128 Gus

It’s on Drudge.

The article or its retraction?

131 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:50:48pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

The article or its retraction?

The one at Salon. It refers to the now dead Guardian-Observer story.

132 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:58:56pm
133 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 7:59:20pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

True. They’ve fallen off the top of the Stupid Tree and seem determined to smack their head on every single branch on the way down.

Nice imagery.

134 b.d.  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:03:56pm

re: #132 Gus

Now The Guardian is going to link back to Drudge.

I love journalism.

135 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:05:20pm

re: #134 b.d.

Now The Guardian is going to link back to Drudge.

I love “journalism.”

FTFY

136 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:06:13pm

re: #134 b.d.

Now The Guardian is going to link back to Drudge.

I love journalism.

Thus creating the fabled Mobius DERP.

137 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:08:06pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

Thus creating the fabled Mobius DERP.

AKA the circle of derp.

138 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:24:43pm

I Got Rhythm
Glenn Miller

139 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:25:21pm

OT, but cool.
io9.com

140 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:40:23pm

re: #138 Gus

I Got Rhythm
Glenn Miller

Ah, but did he swing? It don’t mean a thing if you ain’t got that swing… ;)

141 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:46:00pm
142 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:46:43pm
143 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:47:44pm

Watt’s up with that?

//

144 BigPapa  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:54:24pm

The world is on fire

Glenulous Maximus Beckainus

145 Joanne  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:57:18pm

re: #142 Gus

That its JUNE…I can’t imagine what August will be like!

146 geoffm33  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:02:53pm

Hi.

OT: Went to the open market on the Greenway in Boston today and there was a glass blower that recycles beer bottles into drinking glasses. Picked up a nice pint glass (actually 15.5 oz, made from a 12oz bottle) for $15.

Stone IPA - Drinking Glass

Pretty cool idea.

147 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:08:35pm
148 Joanne  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:15:29pm

re: #146 geoffm33

Nice!

149 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:18:28pm

I hope some of the nitwits who disparage the concept of “global warming” after each and every cold day are in Las Vegas this weekend.

150 dragonath  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:18:33pm

Madsen looks like Marvin Monroe from the Simpsons.

151 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:19:19pm

re: #141 Gus

Here in Chicago it was cloudy and didn’t even get to 80 degrees. By 8:30pm, the wind was blowing from the Northeast, off Lake Michigan, and temps had dropped to 67 degrees.

152 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:21:38pm
153 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:21:49pm
154 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:23:17pm

For those into history, a very cool aviation cold war story can be found here:
airspacemag.com

Having been a tanker in 1983 Germany, I can appreciate his story…

155 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:24:10pm

re: #147 Gus

Note: Tempting as it is, don’t try to pet the belly of a cat stretching like that. They’ll normally claw you if you do so.

156 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:28:49pm
157 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:29:52pm
158 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:30:23pm

re: #156 Gus

Nothing says patriotism like the Nazi flag …

/

159 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:32:01pm

re: #158 wheat-dogghazi

Nothing says patriotism like the Nazi flag …

/

Whackos everywhere. Such strange times.

160 Joanne  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:32:29pm

re: #152 Gus

This is just charming. Drudge now lead-linking to a Salon story based on an UK Observer story that has been removed for investigation.
12:07 AM - 30 Jun 2013

See! Bizarro world! I’m telling ya, Armageddon is upon us. /

161 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:33:21pm

re: #158 wheat-dogghazi

Nothing says patriotism like the Nazi flag …

/

or a confederate one.

162 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:34:16pm

Guardian keeps on sinking lower and lower.

163 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:34:21pm

re: #156 Gus

He also flies an American flag, a US Marine Corps flag, and the Vatican flag, and he plans to fly an Israeli flag. But he’s flying the 3rd Reich’s ‘Hooked Cross’ in protest of Barack Obama.

[headesk]
DOES NOT COMPUTE!!
[headesk]
DOES NOT COMPUTE!!
[headesk]
DOES NOT COMPUTE!!
[headesk]
DOES NOT COMPUTE!!
[headesk]
DOES NOT COMPUTE!!

Sorry, but that one was so dumb it triggered a brain error on my part.

164 Joanne  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:34:21pm

re: #156 Gus

#CreepyAssCracker

165 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:37:06pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

He also flies an American flag, a US Marine Corps flag, and the Vatican flag, and he plans to fly an Israeli flag. But he’s flying the 3rd Reich’s ‘Hooked Cross’ in protest of Barack Obama.

[headesk]
DOES NOT COMPUTE!!
[headesk]
DOES NOT COMPUTE!!
[headesk]
DOES NOT COMPUTE!!
[headesk]
DOES NOT COMPUTE!!
[headesk]
DOES NOT COMPUTE!!

Sorry, but that one was so dumb it triggered a brain error on my part.

So twisted, indeed.

166 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:37:27pm

re: #164 Joanne

#CreepyAssCracker

Yep.

167 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:39:15pm

re: #164 Joanne

#CreepyAssCracker

Creepy Ass Liar, too.

168 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:44:01pm

Sarah Palin floats idea of leaving the Republican Party [VIDEO]

She and Mark Levin want to start the “Freedom Party”? Well…TURN IT UP!

Youtube Video

169 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:48:02pm

re: #168 bratwurst

Sarah Palin floats idea of leaving the Republican Party [VIDEO]

She and Mark Levin want to start the “Freedom Party”? Well…TURN IT UP!

[Embedded content]

Clown show.

170 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:48:32pm

re: #168 bratwurst

Sarah Palin floats idea of leaving the Republican Party [VIDEO]

She and Mark Levin want to start the “Freedom Party”? Well…TURN IT UP!

What does Sarah Palin know about the principles of Lincoln and Reagan? And really the Freedom Party? Why not call yourself the Ice Cream and Puppy Dog Party? I’d be happier if she just left the public spotlight. She offers nothing of substance to the national discussion. Just her bitter hatred of President Obama and anyone who dares to think she’s not the greatest thing ever.

171 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:48:46pm

re: #168 bratwurst

Maybe she can siphon off the crazies from the GOP, and it can become more sane. (That’s a big maybe.)

172 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:51:06pm

re: #171 wheat-dogghazi

Maybe she can siphon off the crazies from the GOP, and it can become more sane. (That’s a big maybe.)

That’d be nice. I am no fan of the GOP but as long as they remain the likely main opposition party to the Dem, we need them to be sane so there’s some balance.

173 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:57:12pm

Sarah Palin is a freaking nut. The end.

174 Joanne  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 9:58:59pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

That’d be nice. I am no fan of the GOP but as long as they remain the likely main opposition party to the Dem, we need them to be sane so there’s some balance.

I’d prefer a complete reboot. I could never vote GOP. Never. I wouldn’t trust their sanity or truthfulness or desire/ability to govern in any way. I think many others would feel that way.

I’d prefer an opposition party I might actually be able to vote for should they have a better candidate.

175 Joanne  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:00:50pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

They should start The God Party. At least it’d be truth in advertising.

176 AlexRogan  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:14:04pm

re: #175 Joanne

They should start The God Party. At least it’d be truth in advertising.

That name’s already taken: Hezbollah.

177 freetoken  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:22:01pm

re: #176 AlexRogan

That name’s already taken: Hezbollah.

How about “Hezbollah in America”?

Catchy, no?

178 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:25:39pm
179 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:28:12pm

re: #178 Gus

Civil liberties are only for people Putin likes. All others need not apply.

180 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:29:20pm

re: #179 wheat-dogghazi

Civil liberties are only for people Putin likes. All others need not apply.

As long as it support my narrative. Peace now. Act now to stop war and fascism now. Etc. Yawn.

[Builds giant puppet.]

181 freetoken  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:47:59pm

MP3 Audio

182 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:48:37pm

Awesome source bro!

183 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:57:15pm

re: #182 Varek Raith

Awesome source bro!

Pa derp. //

184 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:58:20pm
185 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 11:02:27pm

re: #119 Interesting Times

Note the word choice here - not “we’ll work”, or even “we’ll try”, but we want - which can be accurately translated as, “we want favors from you, but whether we’ll actually do anything in return is totally up to us.”

It’s almost as if they feel entitled to something…

186 Gus  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 11:02:40pm

The Allman Brothers Band - Southbound

Youtube Video

187 freetoken  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 11:17:08pm

Watched The Omen which I hadn’t viewed in many years.

Overall it holds up fairly well. The beginning is a bit slow paced by today’s standards, but it still works.

So, I go over to IMDB to check out the soundtrack, and I see there is a new comedy being released, Hell Baby, complete with replication of many of the better scenes from The Omen and The Exorcist. It might be a funny movie, but I suspect that all the spoofing will get tired after the first 30 minutes.

The original is always better:

MP3 Audio

188 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 29, 2013 11:41:38pm

re: #187 freetoken

Watched The Omen which I hadn’t viewed in many years.

Overall it holds up fairly well. The beginning is a bit slow paced by today’s standards, but it still works.

So, I go over to IMDB to check out the soundtrack, and I see there is a new comedy being released, Hell Baby, complete with replication of many of the better scenes from The Omen and The Exorcist. It might be a funny movie, but I suspect that all the spoofing will get tired after the first 30 minutes.

The original is always better:

[Embedded content]

Never listen to a Rottweiler.

Bad doggies! Don’t make the man jump off the roof!

Oh, noes, they’ve killed Gregory Pecker!

(I hope I’m remembering the right movie.)

189 freetoken  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:09:27am

re: #188 austin_blue

Mostly.

190 freetoken  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:10:04am

Though you should probably use a spoiler tag, as there is now a new generation who may never have seen the film.

191 freetoken  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:14:19am

MP3 Audio

192 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:41:11am

re: #171 wheat-dogghazi

Maybe she can siphon off the crazies from the GOP, and it can become more sane. (That’s a big maybe.)

re: #168 bratwurst

Sarah Palin floats idea of leaving the Republican Party [VIDEO]

She and Mark Levin want to start the “Freedom Party”? Well…TURN IT UP!

[Embedded content]

All they’re proposing is a comedy troupe for morons. It will never result in anyone being put into positions of responsibility, and that’s entirely the point. What it will do is bring in a lot of tax-free income for people in key positions in the “party”. I doubt they would siphon off enough lunatics to make the GOP a sane party again; wingnuts who are truly looking to win elections and not just looking for a media outlet to publicly yell at clouds will stick to the party with existing, proven infrastructure and huge cash raising capability; i.e. the GOP. Guys that hang Nazi flags in protest of Obama’s ongoing non-impeached status might donate to the Palin / Levin clown show, but corporate interests and Sheldon Adelson types won’t.

193 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:13:55am

In their defence, the guardian does have a fantastic football section with some very insightful commentators.
But then again their adress is guardian.co.uk (click link) so they are clearly unrelated to the guardian home website.

194 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:17:28am

On a more serious note, well done Charles on some excellent reporting.
Massive fail on the part of the guardian-observer. How desparate aren’t they becoming?

195 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:48:00am

re: #168 bratwurst

Sarah Palin floats idea of leaving the Republican Party [VIDEO]

She and Mark Levin want to start the “Freedom Party”? Well…TURN IT UP!

[Embedded content]

Someone needs to mention to Caribou Barbie that the “American Freedom Party” name has already been taken.
It’s the new official name of the American Third Position party.

Yeah. THOSE guys.

196 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:17:54am

re: #195 RadicalModerate

I’m wondering if Fishwife and Levin are just taking over the skeleton of this “party”: en.wikipedia.org Even if not, the ideology no doubt will be the same. “Freedom”? We’re getting into doublespeak territory here as anyone with half a brain can figure out.

Interesting to note that Fishwife is now referencing libertarianism and considering her background of embracing the ideology of the John Birch Society and the AIP, it’s not surprising that her little covering stint with the Republican party as a vehicle for her ambition was necessary, if not just to hide her core fascist and racist ideology. For instance, look at how she uses “religion” without actually engaging in its practice herself. Even Hitler could mealy-mouth the tenets of religion to suck in the faithful to his insidious and unrelenting death march into the annals of anti-human ideology.

197 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:49:00am

Image: d3WWDBv.png

I like this meme.

198 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:58:11am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

I’m wondering if Fishwife and Levin are just taking over the skeleton of this “party”: en.wikipedia.org Even if not, the ideology no doubt will be the same. “Freedom”? We’re getting into doublespeak territory here as anyone with half a brain can figure out.

Interesting to note that Fishwife is now referencing libertarianism and considering her background of embracing the ideology of the John Birch Society and the AIP, it’s not surprising that her little covering stint with the Republican party as a vehicle for her ambition was necessary, if not just to hide her core fascist and racist ideology. For instance, look at how she uses “religion” without actually engaging in its practice herself. Even Hitler could mealy-mouth the tenets of religion to suck in the faithful to his insidious and unrelenting death march into the annals of anti-human ideology.

There’s also the Constitution Party, which is actually somewhat better established. en.wikipedia.org

It’s not impossible they could take over that party and use it to develop a nationwide political platform/movement.

199 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:00:37am

Is there a “Go the fuck away so we don’t have to hear your crap” party?

200 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:01:52am

re: #199 Kragar

Is there a “Go the fuck away so we don’t have to hear your crap” party?

How about the Listen To Brittle-Faced White People Be Passively Aggressive Racists Party?

201 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:05:26am

re: #200 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

How about the Listen To Brittle-Faced White People Be Passively Aggressive Racists Party?

“The so fake down home folksy sounding you’ll want to slash your wrists rather than hear another nutball sermon disguised as a political speech” party?

202 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:06:37am

Or the “Head Up Your Ass”, or HUYA Party.

203 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:06:47am

re: #201 Kragar

The Misunderstand Economics And Pretend When the Government Spends Money its Burned In a Trash Barrel But Call Someone Who Just Fired 1000 People a Job Creator Unironically Party.

204 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:18:02am

The “Thanks so fucking much for this, John McCain” party

205 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:23:21am

re: #203 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The Misunderstand Economics And Pretend When the Government Spends Money its Burned In a Trash Barrel But Call Someone Who Just Fired 1000 People a Job Creator Unironically Party.

Or the “Call someone who pays so poorly that his employees are dependent on state healthcare and foodstamps” a ‘Job Creator’ while deriding anyone on foodsamps as a ‘moocher’ Party”.

206 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:27:26am

Sarah got on board the GOP ticket in 2008 because the fundamentalist right threatened to run their own candidate over McCain’s social record, which was too liberal for their tastes.

So it looks like she is just wrenching up the rhetoric to ensure more control of the GOP’s next ticket, which is exactly the role I saw her trying to assume: that of GOP Kingmaker.

207 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:40:35am

re: #195 RadicalModerate

Someone needs to mention to Caribou Barbie that the “American Freedom Party” name has already been taken.
It’s the new official name of the American Third Position party.

Yeah. THOSE guys.

Freedom Party in Harry Turtledove’s Timeline 191 alt-history series.

*spoilers*
Since Germany and its allies, including the United States, win the First World War in this alternate world, the German Nazis never appear. The Freedom Party fills the role after it arises in the defeated and humiliated Confederate States. Among other outrages, the victorious yankees force the Confederates to cede western Texas, which they cobble into a new state, named Houston, with its capital at Lubbock.

208 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:42:09am

re: #206 Sol Berdinowitz

You’re giving her far too much credit. Even her fanboy base is dwindling. If she ever runs for any office again, she has to go full-tilt fascist, disguised as “patriotism”, which she appears to be doing, and that’s a real loser.

With the ultimate losers she picked, like Cruz, etc. and their War on Women gaining full steam now, it’s pretty obvious that the Repubs are already out of the mainstream themselves.

209 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:50:58am

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

You’re giving her far too much credit. Even her fanboy base is dwindling. If she ever runs for any office again, she has to go full-tilt fascist, disguised as “patriotism”, which she appears to be doing, and that’s a real loser.

With the ultimate losers she picked, like Cruz, etc. and their War on Women gaining full steam now, it’s pretty obvious that the Repubs are already out of the mainstream themselves.

The formula for the GOP is that you can never go too far right. Even if they lose, it’s because they were not True Conservative Enough, or somebody stole the election…

210 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:54:41am

re: #209 Sol Berdinowitz

The formula for the GOP is that you can never go too far right. Even if they lose, it’s because they were not True Conservative Enough, or somebody stole the election…

That’s the sinister beauty of the RW’s strategy: let’s say they find - and run - their mythical True Conservative. He or she is badly defeated; then they’ll simply scream, “Electoral Fraud!!”.

Win-win for them.

211 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 5:03:24am

re: #210 Dr Lizardo

That’s the sinister beauty of the RW’s strategy: let’s say they find - and run - their mythical True Conservative. He or she is badly defeated; then they’ll simply scream, “Electoral Fraud!!”.

Win-win for them.

And Romney lost because he was not “True Conservative” enough…which is true to a point, he was not RWNJ enough to motivate the base to come out in droves to support him.

But anybody that crazy will motivate a lot of otherwise moderate voters to get out and vote to ensure that they do not get in: the Aikin Effect.

212 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 5:10:09am

re: #211 Sol Berdinowitz

And Romney lost because he was not “True Conservative” enough…which is true to a point, he was not RWNJ enough to motivate the base to come out in droves to support him.

But anybody that crazy will motivate a lot of otherwise moderate voters to get out and vote to ensure that they do not get in: the Aikin Effect.

Very true, and when the moderate voters do turn out to defeat the bad crazy, they go on and on about “The vote was a fraud! We were robbed!” and that sort of conspiracist nonsense.

213 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 5:18:12am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

Very true, and when the moderate voters do turn out to defeat the bad crazy, they go on and on about “The vote was a fraud! We were robbed!” and that sort of conspiracist nonsense.

Like what happened in 2008 and 2012? Some of them still can’t accept a majority of the voters elected a black guy.

214 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 5:21:13am

re: #213 wheat-dogghazi

Like what happened in 2008 and 2012? Some of them still can’t accept a majority of the voters elected a black guy.

Some can, but for that they accept the notion that the Democrats bought the minority vote by offering them tons of free government stuff.

215 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 5:35:49am

re: #213 wheat-dogghazi

re: #214 Sol Berdinowitz

Some can, but for that they accept the notion that the Democrats bought the minority vote by offering them tons of free government stuff.

Which is another form of conspiracism. The RW’ers have gone so far over the cliff it’s unbelievable. I saw it starting in the Clinton years, and some of them even then were going full-metal wingnut, but it was a minority. Now this wackjob RW virus is raging full-on.

216 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 5:42:56am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

re: #214 Sol Berdinowitz

Which is another form of conspiracism. The RW’ers have gone so far over the cliff it’s unbelievable. I saw it starting in the Clinton years, and some of them even then were going full-metal wingnut, but it was a minority. Now this wackjob RW virus is raging full-on.

The force driving much of my cruising of RWNJ sites is to get a sense of the size of that minority. It’s pretty encouraging—they are loud but small, and watching the flow of memes and language from site to site shows they are highly redundant. The wingnuts are a much greater threat to the GOP (through primaries) than to the Dems.

217 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 5:49:24am

re: #186 Gus

The Allman Brothers Band - Southbound

[Embedded content]

“Southbound” being the Guardian’s credibly, heading south like a Trumpeter Swan in winter.

218 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 5:52:50am

re: #211 Sol Berdinowitz

And Romney lost because he was not “True Conservative” enough…which is true to a point, he was not RWNJ enough to motivate the base to come out in droves to support him.

But anybody that crazy will motivate a lot of otherwise moderate voters to get out and vote to ensure that they do not get in: the Aikin Effect.

Romney also couldn’t really connect withe public, which if I’m to be honest I largely knew from the get-go, which is why I want ed on of the other candidates to take off. But none of them could do so, either aborting to Also-Ran Field or else crashing into the Great Southern Fever Swamp.

219 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 5:54:55am

re: #214 Sol Berdinowitz

Neither can libertarians who just cannot believe that a person of color could possibly be as intelligent, educated, and “smart” as they are. It’s just more of the same privileged racism that colors those who think they’re the “smartest person” in the room or have been taught all their lives that some of the “colored races” are inferior. Talk about hubris…

As a southerner myself who has been doing this most of my life, I’ve talked with racists in the south who, after not being “talked down to”, can understand that what they’ve been taught is absolutely wrong and understand why it is harmful not only to people of color, but to themselves as well, as racism poisons discourse and affects their own humanity. But it’s a hard slog, nonetheless, since racism is so deeply embedded in our society, much of it a hangover from the days of slavery and white guilt which might not ever be expunged.

220 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 5:55:51am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

None of Romney’s opponents were viable candidates outside their particular demographic. There was not one who could “take off” with the general public.

221 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 5:59:35am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

Romney also couldn’t really connect withe public, which if I’m to be honest I largely knew from the get-go, which is why I want ed on of the other candidates to take off. But none of them could do so, either aborting to Also-Ran Field or else crashing into the Great Southern Fever Swamp.

You also, to be honest, dismissed Romney as a candidate who stood for no one but himself and couldn’t be trusted, and you were right about that, too.

None of the other candidates were any better, though, except Huntsman (who is still pretty awful) and he never stood a chance.

222 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:00:17am


Floating the idea of creating the Freedom Party (sorry, but the name’s been taken - the Freedom Party, the American Freedom Party, Peace and Freedom Party)? With Mark Levin? Outstanding.

Go for it. I wholeheartedly embrace the idea of watching the GOP implode as the supposed Big Tent deflates in the worst possible way. All this does will accelerate the regionalization of the GOP and even a marginal showing by this third party attempt in 2016 would throw the election to whoever runs as a Democrat.

223 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:02:38am

re: #216 Decatur Deb

The force driving much of my cruising of RWNJ sites is to get a sense of the size of that minority. It’s pretty encouraging—they are loud but small, and watching the flow of memes and language from site to site shows they are highly redundant. The wingnuts are a much greater threat to the GOP (through primaries) than to the Dems.

The further the wingnuts push the GOP to the right through the primary process - where they possess a good deal of strength - the more likely my prediction of the GOP becoming a regional party, confined largely to the Deep South, will come to pass.

Should the GOP indeed become non-viable on a national level, they will either have to resign themselves to being a regional party, or divorce themselves from the wingnut brigades and reorient their platform and policies.

224 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:13:52am

re: #222 lawhawk

Well, that makes sense. Quitler has “floated” all her life.

Don’t expect much unless there’s money to be made.

225 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:17:17am

re: #224 Justanotherhuman

Well, that makes sense. Quitler has “floated” all her life.

Don’t expect much unless there’s money to be made.

I see what you did there.

Heh - “Quitler”.

226 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:18:02am

re: #224 Justanotherhuman

Comparing her to Hitler is dumb and makes too much of her. She’s a pipsqueak.

227 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:25:02am

re: #226 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Comparing her to Hitler is dumb and makes too much of her. She’s a pipsqueak.

Quite Concur. “Quitler” is far too likely to boomerang on the person using it. And to be really fair to Sarah Palin (which I don’t really want to be), she hasn’t demonstrated the level of murderous hatred that would justify the comparison.

So sorry JAH, but I have to downding you for the Godwin’s Law violation.

228 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:34:16am

re: #226 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Not really. She’s just a truly dumb fascist, a novelty act who is more than likely just after money and fame, but unfortunately, her reactionary politics ring with some. Most people know what she’s about and as most people in the US didn’t buy into the “popular” fascist movement in the ’30s, they won’t today, although if the US hadn’t gotten into WWII, it might have been a different story. People take sides; as a reflex, it seems to be in our DNA, but sorting through the reasons that that reflex might be bad is beyond some.

229 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:34:47am

re: #228 Justanotherhuman

No, really, comparing her to Hitler is dumb.

230 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:37:25am

re: #229 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Agreed. There is simply no comparison at all.

231 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:49:52am

re: #229 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Then why does this sound all so familiar? Just substitute “Blacks” for “Jews” and you have the foundation of the present RW movement in this country.

“In Vienna he acquired his first education in politics by studying the demagogic techniques of the popular Christian-social Mayor, Karl Lueger, and picked up the stereotyped, obsessive anti-Semitism with its brutal, violent sexual connotations and concern with the “purity of blood” that remained with him to the end of his career. From crackpot racial theorists like the defrocked monk, Lanz von Liebenfels, and the Austrian Pan-German leader, Georg von Schoenerer, the young Hitler learned to discern in the “Eternal Jew” the symbol and cause of all chaos, corruption and destruction in culture, politics and the economy. The press, prostitution, syphilis, capitalism, Marxism, democracy and pacifism—all were so many means which “the Jew” exploited in his conspiracy to undermine the German nation and the purity of the creative Aryan race.”

jewishvirtuallibrary.org

232 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:50:31am

re: #230 wheat-dogghazi

Agreed. There is simply no comparison at all.

Hitler would never eat moose.

233 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:50:33am

She just a vapid intellectual lightweight. That’s why Levin likes her so much.

234 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:51:37am

re: #231 Justanotherhuman

Then why does this sound all so familiar?

Because for centuries and centuries and centuries people have used otherizing and bigotry and devotion to revealed truth and anti-intellectualism in order to get ahead, and the vast majority of them weren’t Hitler.

235 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 6:51:47am

re: #228 Justanotherhuman

Let me ask you the type of question Obdicut has sometimes asked me:

In what way is Sarah Palin a fascist? Please do not use a claim that she is reactionary in your response, since ‘reactionary’ ≠ ‘fascist’.

236 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:00:18am

re: #232 Decatur Deb

Hitler would never eat moose.

Thats because the allies captured it before he could!!

i.chzbgr.com

237 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:00:44am

re: #233 BigPapa

She just a vapid intellectual lightweight. That’s why Levin likes her so much.

Palin is an intellectual lightweight, but I wouldn’t dismiss entirely. She may lack a formidable intellect, however, she knows how to whip up the wingnuts, and I’d say she’s pretty good at it.

She is a reactionary demagogue, and demagogues have consistently proven to be dangerous, even when they don’t exercise actual political power but function as an éminence grise.

So far, I have yet to see a truly dangerous RW demagogue emerge; in my personal opinion, Palin is simply the forerunner. Whoever emerges as a truly dangerous reactionary force to be reckoned with, I believe they’ll follow Palin’s path - the folksy type. You know, “A Face In The Crowd.”

238 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:02:31am

re: #237 Dr Lizardo

Palin is an intellectual lightweight, but I wouldn’t dismiss entirely. She may lack a formidable intellect, however, she knows how to whip up the wingnuts, and I’d say she’s pretty good at it.

She is a reactionary demagogue, and demagogues have consistently proven to be dangerous, even when they don’t exercise actual political power but function as an éminence grise.

So far, I have yet to see a truly dangerous RW demagogue emerge; in my personal opinion, Palin is simply the forerunner. Whoever emerges as a truly dangerous reactionary force to be reckoned with, I believe they’ll follow Palin’s path - the folksy type. You know, “A Face In The Crowd.”

Huckabee gets as close to that as we have. He projects ‘likeable’, or at least he did when carrying a bit more weight.

239 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:06:40am

re: #238 Decatur Deb

Huckabee gets as close to that as we have. He projects ‘likeable’, or at least he did when carrying a bit more weight.

That’s true, but for me, a ‘dangerous reactionary demagogue’ is definitely someone in the “Lonesome” Rhodes category. Someone who can not only appeal to the reactionary forces still present in American culture, but can articulate that undercurrent of rage and focus it, and still maintain that “folksy” charm.

240 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:07:34am

re: #236 sattv4u2

Thats because the allies captured it before he could!!

i.chzbgr.com

That’s a reindeer, this is a moose.

241 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:08:59am

re: #239 Dr Lizardo

That’s true, but for me, a ‘dangerous reactionary demagogue’ is definitely someone in the “Lonesome” Rhodes category. Someone who can not only appeal to the reactionary forces still present in American culture, but can articulate that undercurrent of rage and focus it, and still maintain that “folksy” charm.

The RW has been trying to mobilize rightist entertainers. So far Ted Nugent, Victoria Jackson, and Clint Eastwood haven’t produced for them.

242 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:09:23am

I do take Palin somewhat seriously, which says more about here legions of fans than her.

But she’s no Hitler. He wouldn’t happen today in America.

243 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:10:27am

re: #242 BigPapa

I do take Palin somewhat seriously, which says more about here legions of fans than her.

But she’s no Hitler. He wouldn’t happen today in America.

One of the benefits of truly multicultural societies: No Hitler.

244 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:10:42am

re: #242 BigPapa

I do take Palin somewhat seriously, which says more about here legions of fans than her.

But she’s no Hitler. He wouldn’t happen today in America.

We are one more Wall Street crash away from Silver Shirts.

en.wikipedia.org

245 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:11:00am

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

That’s a reindeer, this is a moose.

Lucky for this McDonald’s they’d just gotten the day’s salads delivered:

Image: Alaska-Moose-at-McDonalds-5.jpg

246 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:15:56am

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Good point. But we did just go through a serious financial crisis at the same time a black dude became president, and all we got for it was the meltdown of the Republican Party, Palin, Rand Paul, and the further alienating of libertarian/conservative ideologies.

So despite my utter shame as a human and American with regard to these fucktastic morons, redemption does follow the societal understanding that these are fucktastic morons.

247 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:16:56am

re: #246 BigPapa

Good point. But we did just go through a serious financial crisis at the same time a black dude became president, and all we got for it was the meltdown of the Republican Party, Palin, Rand Paul, and the further alienating of libertarian/conservative ideologies.

So despite my utter shame as a human and American with regard to these fucktastic morons, redemption does follow the societal understanding that these are fucktastic morons.

You’re probably right, and I’m probably wrong. It’s better if we act and organize as though I’m right.

248 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:17:32am

Mornin’ everyone.

249 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:17:47am

re: #244 Decatur Deb

We are one more Wall Street crash away from Silver Shirts.

en.wikipedia.org

I do think that it’s possible we’re going to see some really ugly open acceptance of white supremacism spring up in some areas, but many of the immigrants and sons and daughters of immigrants that came to the US came here to get away from terrible government. So I think fascistic local government, if things do get desperate, will still only spring up in lily-white areas.

250 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:19:40am

re: #249 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I do think that it’s possible we’re going to see some really ugly open acceptance of white supremacism spring up in some areas, but many of the immigrants and sons of immigrants that came to the US came here to get away from terrible government. So I think fascistic local government, if things do get desperate, will still only spring up in lily-white areas.

Alabama is a one-party state. The state Democratic Party has asked for a grace period to pay its phone bill.

251 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:21:11am

She’s no hitler, but she’s definitely got a bit of Robespierre in her.

252 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:23:14am

re: #251 darthstar

She’s no hitler, but she’s definitely got a bit of Robespierre in her.

Maybe a hint of Torquemada too. But definitely not Hitler.

253 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:23:42am

re: #241 Decatur Deb

The RW has been trying to mobilize rightist entertainers. So far Ted Nugent, Victoria Jackson, and Clint Eastwood haven’t produced for them.

Jackson and Nugent can be easily dismissed as raving cranks, and Eastwood is more of a libertarian. Though Eastwood is easily the most charismatic - and talented - of the aforementioned, he’s nowhere near the summit of batshit crazy that Jackson and Nugent have successfully scaled.

When Jackson or Nugent can direct a film like ‘Million Dollar Baby’ or ‘Mystic River’, well, I’d be stunned.

254 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:24:41am

TMZ put up a video clip of its staff going over a photo of President Obama younger daughter Sasha, which shows her wearing a pair of short shorts.

I don’t really think TMZ should do this, firstly because I can already see the hateful comments that photo will inspire when the Freepers get a hold of it.

255 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:25:50am

How do you say “You betcha!” in German?

256 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:26:23am

re: #252 darthstar

Maybe a hint of Torquemada too. But definitely not Hitler.

No, not Toquemada. He was a fanatic, but he was also intellectually serious (by the standards of his day, of course) and honest. Sarah Palin is neither of those things.

257 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:26:30am

re: #255 Eclectic Cyborg

How do you say “You betcha!” in German?

“Na klar!”

258 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:26:35am

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

TMZ put up a video clip of its staff going over a photo of President Obama younger daughter Sasha, which shows her wearing a pair of short shorts.

I don’t really think TMZ should do this, firstly because I can already see the hateful comments that photo will inspire when the Freepers get a hold of it.

Well that and the morally sound idea that children should be OFF LIMITS.

259 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:27:17am

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

No, not Toquemada. He was a fanatic, but he was also intellectually serious (by the standards of his day, of course) and honest. Sarah Palin is neither of those things.

Yeah he was a fanatic…..face it, you couldn’t Torquemada anything.

260 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:28:18am

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

Well that and the morally sound idea that children should be OFF LIMITS.

Unfortunately, the celebrity press doesn’t always abide by that rule, especially if they think they can stir shit up by violating it.

261 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:31:11am

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

Well that and the morally sound idea that children should be OFF LIMITS.

They SHOULD be, but haven’t been since the Kennedy kids were so photogenic in the Oval Office

Since then, it’s taken a nasty turn, but imho, it started then

262 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:33:46am

re: #261 sattv4u2

They SHOULD be, but haven’t been since the Kennedy kids were so photogenic in the Oval Office

Since then, it’s taken a nasty turn, but imho, it started then

Image: Lincoln-Berger-Tad1864.jpg

263 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:34:14am

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

Yeah he was a fanatic…..face it, you couldn’t Torquemada anything.

Youtube Video

264 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:34:29am

This story has them scratching their heads at DailyKos.

There is something going on with the Guardian and Wayne Madsen. I haven’t had the time to piece it together again. I can’t figure out whether somebody is “Dan Rathering” them by feeding them bad information, having them publish it, and then debunking it, or whether it’s valid info being discredited because it came from Madsen.

(Bolded by me.)
Link

This comment is two under the highly rated comment of a group of protesters, one of them holding up a sign which says:

Obama Zionist Uncle Tom!

That place is completely off its rocker.

265 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:37:06am

My point is, if you’re going to use hyperbole to describe Sarah Barracougar, dig a little deeper than Hitler. Be creative. Hitler’s a threadbare and overused metaphor that’s been reduced to casual insult level.

“Mom, Joey’s not sharing his ice cream!”
“Hitler!”
“Mom, Joey called me Hitler again!”

People need to step it up, be more creative. Hell, call her the Jar Jar Binks of the Sith. It’s more accurate and sends a shudder of “ooh…that’s fuckin’ low” down people’s spines. Hitler? Meh. Dude’s still behind Stalin on the most-evil list.

266 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:38:48am

re: #262 Decatur Deb

Image: Lincoln-Berger-Tad1864.jpg

Yes, there are photos/ stories of Presidents offspring here and there prior to Kennedy, but with the whole Camelot thing and the with John John hiding under the desk Image: JFK_jr_under_presidents_desk.jpg and the two of them playing with Dad in the office Image: Kennedy_children_visit_the_Oval_Office,_October_1962.jpg ending with the iconic John John salute at the funeral Image: 2__1235121058_2800.jpg featuring the kids has exploded since then

267 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:42:10am

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

Unfortunately, the celebrity press doesn’t always abide by that rule, especially if they think they can stir shit up by violating it.

I can’t help but wonder how many of those celebrity media people would flip their shit if someone did the same thing with one of their kids.

268 Lidane  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:42:48am

re: #252 darthstar

Maybe a hint of Torquemada too. But definitely not Hitler.

Palin’s not smart enough to be Torquemada.

The closest person to Torquemada in the GOP right now is Santorum.

269 Cresttwo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:44:47am

Really doubling and tripling down on the stupid here. You guys really never heard of Wayne Madsen from oingo boigo land? Implicating Greenwald with this loony — who by the way, is an enemy of wikileaks - makes as much sense as taking The Simpsons and attributing the point of view there to The NY Post.
Its a shame about Johnson. Greenwald derangement syndrome indeed. [psst; there was actually a story of real significance reported over the last four weeks - is there a reason why you don’t want to discuss it?].
Its like they say;
Great minds talk about ideas.
Lesser minds, events.
The mediocre mind talks about people.
So keep up the ad hominem, lets hear all about Greenwald’s tax problems and ignore the cancer that is the NSA and the type of society we have become; it seems to suit you well.

270 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:45:08am
271 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:46:17am

re: #270 darthstar

Note the contextual use of “Stalinist”…effective, no?

272 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:46:22am

re: #266 sattv4u2

Yes, there are photos/ stories of Presidents offspring here and there prior to Kennedy, but with the whole Camelot thing and the with John John hiding under the desk Image: JFK_jr_under_presidents_desk.jpg and the two of them playing with Dad in the office Image: Kennedy_children_visit_the_Oval_Office,_October_1962.jpg ending with the iconic John John salute at the funeral Image: 2__1235121058_2800.jpg featuring the kids has exploded since then

Ever tried to fit a 8x10 inch wet-plate camera under a desk?

273 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:46:54am

re: #270 darthstar

updinged and retweeted. Page that one, Darthstar, it’s a good one.

274 Lidane  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:47:56am

re: #264 b.d.

That place is completely off its rocker.

Eh. Not really.

Some of the commenters there are moonbats and off in la-la land, but Kos himself is a military vet that used to be a Republican. He’s actually a lot more of a pragmatist than some of the folks on his site. I can remember him going up against his own readers when some of them were demading that DKos only support ideologically pure Democrats for office. He told them outright to STFU with that noise because the point is to win.

275 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:48:58am

Assange & Radack did themselves no favors this morning on This Week.

276 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:49:04am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

Ever tried to fit a 8x10 inch wet-plate camera under a desk?

Is that what Anthony Weiner you kids call it nowadays!?!?!

277 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:50:16am
278 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:51:17am

re: #276 sattv4u2

Is that what Anthony Weiner you kids call it nowadays!?!?!

Weiner would be the next mayor, if all he had was collodion photo technology.

279 kerFuFFler  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:51:29am

re: #141 Gus

Must be a fake———how could the guy possibly smile in such heat? ;)

280 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:51:29am

re: #270 darthstar

Not sure folks here would like his page on Twitter, since he’s an ABBA fan.

281 GeneJockey  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:52:10am

re: #265 darthstar

My point is, if you’re going to use hyperbole to describe Sarah Barracougar, dig a little deeper than Hitler. Be creative. Hitler’s a threadbare and overused metaphor that’s been reduced to casual insult level.

People need to step it up, be more creative. Hell, call her the Jar Jar Binks of the Sith. It’s more accurate and sends a shudder of “ooh…that’s fuckin’ low” down people’s spines. Hitler? Meh. Dude’s still behind Stalin on the most-evil list.

Ha! I love it! Jar Jar Binks - one of those characters with limited appeal to start, who then did the exact opposite of growing on you, pretty much exactly like Palin, who became less popular the more exposure she got.

282 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:52:26am
283 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:52:35am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Not sure folks here would like his page on Twitter, since he’s an ABBA fan.

:P

284 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:52:43am

re: #274 Lidane

kos is fine, DailyKos is a mess. The entire staff, save two that agree with that thinking, has ceded the recent diary list and the comment section to the lunatics. Even kos doesn’t dare venture out of his own diaries.

285 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:53:58am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

One of the funniest bits Mel Brooks ever did, and it still makes me laugh at loud.

286 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:56:04am

Something I’ve noticed over the last 4 years is how terrible British newspapers have become. There is a kind of Obama Derangement Syndrome going on at their establishment newspapers.

Most of the British press is pure crap when they try to cover American politics, and I wonder if the vast amount of right wing agitprop is coloring their views.

More questionable is why the Guardian seems to be trying to catch the libertarian (read: tea party racists) wave going on in the UK, which is filled with the kind of people who hate their guts.

287 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:56:10am

re: #269 Cresttwo

“I went on a rant and nobody answered”

Same sound as a tree falling in the woods with nobody around, huh?

288 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:56:34am

re: #269 Cresttwo

It’s like they say:
Great minds talk about ideas.
Lesser minds, events.
The mediocre mind talks about people.

Who says this, and does this count as talking about ideas or people?

Cheers,

Your pal,

Obdicut

289 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:57:44am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Not sure folks here would like his page on Twitter, since he’s an ABBA fan.

What’s wrong with Abba?

290 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:57:45am

re: #269 Cresttwo

I would call your post Passive Aggressive Reactionary Projection Greenwald Defense Syndrome.

291 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:59:07am

Image: 1372401125.791016-greenwald.jpg

292 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:59:21am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Not sure folks here would like his page on Twitter, since he’s an ABBA fan.

When I was a child, in 1975 to be exact, my parents and I went to Sweden to visit my mom’s family. On the train, we encountered Anni-Frid Lynstand’s mother. She gave me an ABBA poster.

Autographed by all the members of ABBA.

I kick myself because when I was 10, we moved and the poster got lost.

293 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:59:32am

re: #284 b.d.

kos is fine. DailyKos is a mess, the entire staff, save two that agree with that thinking, has ceded the recent diary list and the comment section to the lunatics. Even kos doesn’t dare venture out of his own diaries.

Sometimes the Bad Craziness is simply too strong and the owners of a political site have to let it flood in or risk damming themselves off from their reader base. It’s been that time on the right for most of the Obama Administration, but the Snowden Affair has triggered a similar rupture on the left. Markos Moulitsas isn’t a crazy person, but his site depends on traffic from people who have for the time being gone crazy.

294 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:00:36am

re: #284 b.d.

kos is fine. DailyKos is a mess. The entire staff, save two that agree with that thinking, has ceded the recent diary list and the comment section to the lunatics. Even kos doesn’t dare venture out of his own diaries.

Blogs go through these kinds of melt-downs from time to time. It happened at Slate when I was there in 2000-2003, it happened on Craigslist on a food forum, and all the sane people left. It’s even happened on dKos before, back when bush 43 was still president. And it’s happened here…just ask Mandy.

Point is, once the story dies down, so will the self immolation.

295 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:00:47am

re: #289 darthstar

What’s wrong with Abba?

Nothing, but they get razzed here at times.

296 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:00:52am

Not to mention, I’ve not seen Greenwald’s tax problems discussed here.

Mostly, his ideas represented by the things he’s said or written, trying to confirm the factual from the hyperbole.

297 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:02:33am

re: #296 BigPapa

Not to mention, I’ve not seen Greenwald’s tax problems discussed here.

Mostly, his ideas represented by the things he’s said or written, trying to confirm the factual from the hyperbole.

If he was a good reporter I wouldn’t give a shit if he evaded the tax on monkey-smuggling, and I take the tax on monkey-smuggling very seriously.

298 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:03:02am

By the way, Reuters is reporting (through Spiegel) that the NSA monitors over 60 billion phone links in Germany each month.

reuters.com

The document Spiegel cited showed that the United States categorized Germany as a “third-class” partner and that surveillance there was stronger than in any other EU country, similar in extent to China, Iraq or Saudi-Arabia.

Yeah, Germany is just like Saudi Arabia. Carry on.

299 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:04:01am

re: #269 Cresttwo

Don’t you have work to do? I had it on good authority you were scheduled to lurk under a bridge in Wisconsin today.

300 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:04:30am

re: #298 dragonath

They need to define “monitor”.

301 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:04:33am

re: #297 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

If he was a good reporter I wouldn’t give a shit if he evaded the tax on monkey-smuggling, and I take the tax on monkey-smuggling very seriously.

LMAO!

302 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:05:18am

re: #298 dragonath

By the way, Reuters is reporting (through Spiegel) that the NSA monitors over 60 billion phone links in Germany each month.

reuters.com

Yeah, Germany is just like Saudi Arabia. Carry on.

Reuters

303 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:05:57am

re: #294 darthstar

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

Good points. It is just plain embarrassing to watch.

304 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:07:04am

re: #298 dragonath

By the way, Reuters is reporting (through Spiegel) that the NSA monitors over 60 billion phone links in Germany each month.

reuters.com

Yeah, Germany is just like Saudi Arabia. Carry on.

The tiered classification is based on the expected value of the surveillance effort. Unfortunately it looks instead like we’re ranking friends and enemies.

305 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:07:36am
306 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:07:37am

re: #284 b.d.

That reminded me of when Tom Tomorrow opened a comment section on his blog posts. It didn’t last too long. When one of the front pagers ran an article about how much of an asshole Hugo Chavez was, the commentariat went nuts.

307 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:08:30am

re: #298 dragonath

By the way, Reuters is reporting (through Spiegel) that the NSA monitors over 60 billion phone links in Germany each month.

reuters.com

Yeah, Germany is just like Saudi Arabia. Carry on.

Intelligence collecting has long memories. And Germany had some pretty radical and violent terrorists cells running about killing industrialists and coordinating with other groups in the 70s.

Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org

308 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:09:13am

re: #305 Gus

Is this a network affiliate? Like, Texas needs more GOD man!

309 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:09:21am

Nancy gets it.


Snowden can spend the whole summer in that airport for all I care.

310 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:09:52am

re: #308 dragonath

Is this a network affiliate? Like, Texas needs more GOD man!

Don’t know the station. Just saw the Tweet.

311 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:11:31am

re: #307 Feline Fearless Leader

Intelligence collecting has long memories. And Germany had some pretty radical and violent terrorists cells running about killing industrialists and coordinating with other groups in the 70s.

Not to mention that several of the 9/11 hijackers stayed in Hamburg for a time and received help from a Al-Qaeda cell based there.

312 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:12:12am

re: #303 b.d.

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

Good points. It is just plain embarrassing to watch.

I’ll occasionally stoke the flames there. But dKos has over half a million members, so it doesn’t take many to stink up the place. Glenn Greenwald is only one person, and look how much he stinks up twitter.

313 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:12:48am

re: #308 dragonath

Is this a network affiliate? Like, Texas needs more GOD man!

Most Sunday a.m. local programming is automated (pre-taped and on timers) so if Schieffer’s show via the network ran long (bad editing/ producing on his shows part) the local will cut into it as the ads/ timing are already paid for

314 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:13:00am

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

Not to mention that several of the 9/11 hijackers stayed in Hamburg for a time and received help from a Al-Qaeda cell based there.

And EU’s open borders. Anyone who gets to Sicily or Tieste is in Berlin.

315 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:13:04am

The person leading the charge in Greenwald’s character assassination is Greenwald. But the monkey smuggling is OUTRAGEOUS!

316 piratedan  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:13:09am

I think that there are some very powerful folks in play here who are media savvy and have multiple pawns on the board and move those pieces when it suits them, call it a “go” board of national/international politics. I stand back and look at the bigger picture of things and the construction of the Tea Party as we know it has some hidden and not so hidden backers, folks spouting this ideal manifestation of leaveittobeaverland. Women stayed at home, made supper and put out. Kids, seen and not heard, much like minorities. Government handouts for me, because I’m hard-working and devout and a healthy dose of IGMFY. Those dirty Socialists wanting to redistribute our hard earned wealth into the hands of those lazy naer-do-wells and thus endith the meritocracy.

some huge tells in play…. your freedoms are impacted, they want things from us, redistribution of wealth, they’re coming to take our guns etc etc etc

media coverage of what is and isn’t a story, a complete indifference on reporting on policy and motives and potential impact and more on feelings and stenography but no one is doing much heavy lifting. The complete disavowment that we have one political party who’s entire agenda over the last six years has been ongoing public performance of Monty Python’s Argument Sketch. They have no ideas, no vision and apparently aren’t required to have one.

I look at the timing of all of this, 2012 is over, Obama has won his mandate, yet again, instead of being able to exercise it, i.e. gun safety, shot down, dead in the street, despite what the nation wanted. Consumer Protection agency, unfunded. Immigration reform, about to be strangled in it’s cradle and we return to culture wars 24/7. Since that isn’t selling, we have made up/ginned up scandals piqued to gather interest from the right because it’s summer and they have to take the focus on the great big session of fail and dammit, this gun safety shit is getting uncomfortable. So Benghazi, AP leak story, IRS. Strikes one two and three as they all go down under the weight of the usual R bumfuckery and exposition that the US doesn’t like it’s spies outed, that Citizens United fucked over the IRS’ capability to tell what are zebras and what are horses and continues to expose the R’s for the duplicitous bastards that they are in milking the data for their own ends just like they did with Benghazi.

So the haymakers from the Right failed to land and now, they’re throwing a cross with their left, hoping to find the guard down as this Admin continues in good faith to run by the laws on the books. This punch has been so badly thrown, that we now will completely ignore anything stated from this side as they’ve lost all credibility and are now nothing more than a voice in the hinterlands…. so what’s next? Paid commandos to attempt to take down the WH and declare a new Fascist State? These guys have been desperate to smear this administration, I just wonder how many arrows they have left in their quiver.

317 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:13:15am

Ooh, the Spiegel home page is calling this “Attacks from America”.

318 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:13:33am

re: #309 darthstar

Nancy gets it.
Snowden can spend the whole summer in that airport for all I care.

Assange was whining how the US taking away Snowjobs passport was one of the worst things anyone could do to a person, that it was basically robbing him of his personhood.

That was fun to watch.

319 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:22:27am

re: #294 darthstar

Blogs go through these kinds of melt-downs from time to time. It happened at Slate when I was there in 2000-2003, it happened on Craigslist on a food forum, and all the sane people left. It’s even happened on dKos before, back when bush 43 was still president. And it’s happened here…just ask Mandy.

Point is, once the story dies down, so will the self immolation.

These periodic purges, which are almost always driven by the more extreme elements, are why much of our political culture is counterproductive. Eventually it alienates the more moderate and reasonable people. Site like Dkos do serve a function in pushing for more progressive candidates but I think ultimately they do as much damage by alienating people they should be trying to persuade.

320 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:24:31am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Can you tell us where laughing at women who are being pepper-sprayed by the cops for no actual reason while falsely claiming that they’re Marxist trust-funders comes into this?

321 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:27:30am

re: #320 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Objection, brings up issue not germane to the current discussion!

322 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:28:07am

Killgore Trout’s Guide On How Not To Alienate People. That’d be a real hot seller.

323 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:29:24am

People really need to stop associating with assholes because they’re on “their side”.

324 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:29:31am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

I think ultimately they do as much damage by alienating people they should be trying to persuade.

Depends on how far (and how much) “they” (meaning any blog) is willing to push it. If it is “their” opinion but allow reasonable comments in oppostion, I think that ultimately they can and do sway people. But of they go off on a “everyone on the other side is evil” soapbox, thats what turns people away from being persuaded. At that point, “you’re” only talking to the choir

325 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:31:24am

Pork, the OTHER white meat

(and what’s on the menu for tonight)

allrecipes.com

326 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:31:25am

re: #57 lawhawk

Meanwhile, Der Spiegel is “breaking news” about how the NSA is spying on EU diplomats.

Specifics may be new, but that we’re spying on everyone isn’t. It would be a blatant derogation of duty to not be checking on everyone, friend and foe alike. We just don’t make these things public knowledge.

Interesting who is listed in the byline for that:

By Laura Poitras, Marcel Rosenbach, Fidelius Schmid and Holger Stark

327 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:32:07am

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fidelius Schmid

Awesome name alert.

328 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:34:48am
329 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:36:31am
330 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:36:45am

re: #328 darthstar

Image: Assange-Courtoon-1024x910.jpg

331 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:38:06am

re: #324 sattv4u2

I think ultimately they do as much damage by alienating people they should be trying to persuade.

Depends on how far (and how much) “they” (meaning any blog) is willing to push it. If it is “their” opinion but allow reasonable comments in oppostion, I think that ultimately they can and do sway people. But of they go off on a “everyone on the other side is evil” soapbox, thats what turns people away from being persuaded. At that point, “you’re” only talking to the choir

Well, said. Unfortunately in our polarized political culture there isn’t much tolerance for diversity of opinion.

332 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:40:01am

re: #331 Killgore Trout

Well, said. Unfortunately in our polarized political culture there isn’t much tolerance for diversity of opinion.

Ain’t that the truth!

333 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:40:14am

re: #331 Killgore Trout

Well, said. Unfortunately in our polarized political culture there isn’t much tolerance for diversity of opinion.

Right

Goes to Dragoneths 323

littlegreenfootballs.com

Will be a glorious day when we stop doing that

335 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:41:30am

Wait…Glenn Greenwald takes this guy seriously?

336 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:42:04am

Jeez, it’s not like you were pepper sprayed.

337 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:42:20am

re: #335 darthstar

Wait…Glenn Greenwald takes this guy seriously?

Took it for satire site.

338 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:42:40am

re: #328 darthstar

Enjoying the glamor of being interrogated by the FSB, perhaps? Or sitting in an overpriced hotel room near the airport?

339 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:44:17am

re: #335 darthstar

Wait…Glenn Greenwald takes this guy seriously?

twitter.com

340 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:44:42am

re: #334 Killgore Trout

Live Updates: Hundreds of thousands join anti-Morsi protests in Egypt

“Police officers are standing in front of Dokki police station holding flags in support of the protesters,” reports Abdel-Rasoul. “Some are holding placards saying ‘leave!’”

341 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:45:09am
342 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:45:38am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

Enjoying the glamor of being interrogated by the FSB, perhaps? Or sitting in an overpriced hotel room near the airport?

He’s been in that place for seven days now. I guarantee he’ll be wishing he’d just stayed anonymous in another three.

343 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:45:48am

re: #335 darthstar

To be fair, Greenwald hasn’t defended the dude, he’s just trying to pretend The Observer isn’t related much to The Guardian, despite sharing a website.

344 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:46:04am
345 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:46:15am

re: #327 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Awesome name alert.

Ragnvald Magnusson.

346 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:47:32am

re: #342 darthstar

He’s been in that place for seven days now. I guarantee he’ll be wishing he’d just stayed anonymous in another three.

Pretty much. Clearly, things haven’t gone as well as he planned fantasized.

347 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:47:56am

re: #340 sattv4u2

“Police officers are standing in front of Dokki police station holding flags in support of the protesters,” reports Abdel-Rasoul. “Some are holding placards saying ‘leave!’”

Things seem peaceful so far. I suspect the police are afraid of the military and are going to behave themselves, maybe even to the point of letting the protesters run wild if they choose to. It’ll be an interesting day. Curiously I can’t find live video coverage. Al Jazeera isn’t covering this.

348 piratedan  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:48:15am

re: #344 Gus

i’m noticing some shocking similarities between the WayneMadsenReport.com and SickSadNews from the TV show Daria.

349 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:48:50am
350 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:49:13am

re: #347 Killgore Trout

Things seem peaceful so far. I suspect the police are afraid of the military and are going to behave themselves, maybe even to the point of letting the protesters run wild if they choose to. It’ll be an interesting day. Curiously I can’t find live video coverage. Al Jazeera isn’t covering this.


14:00 Military helicopters fly towards Tahrir Square from the direction of Imbaba to applause from some protesters.

351 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:50:36am
352 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:51:17am

re: #346 Dr Lizardo

Pretty much. Clearly, things haven’t gone as well as he planned fantasized.

Bet he wishes he was still making six figures, living in Hawaii, and banging a pole dancer.

353 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:51:27am

re: #347 Killgore Trout

Things seem peaceful so far. I suspect the police are afraid of the military and are going to behave themselves, maybe even to the point of letting the protesters run wild if they choose to. It’ll be an interesting day. Curiously I can’t find live video coverage. Al Jazeera isn’t covering this.

Wonder how our young couple are doing.

Image: tumblr_lg6v5nQCTF1qz6z0no1_500.png

354 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:51:52am

re: #348 piratedan

i’m noticing some shocking similarities between the WayneMadsenReport.com and SickSadNews from the TV show Daria.

I’m sure Daria would agree.

Image: DariaMorgendorffer.gif

355 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:52:58am

re: #352 darthstar

Bet he wishes he was still making six figures, living in Hawaii, and banging a pole dancer.

Hell, I wish I was doing that.

356 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:53:08am

Image: 1000993_693634973999292_810531839_n.jpg

357 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:54:30am

re: #355 Dr Lizardo

Hell, I wish I was doing that.

Or any one of the three!!

358 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:55:40am

Der Snowden Page

Watched CBS Sunday Morning on this pretty good conversation.

359 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:55:46am

Hawaii ain’t all that… no good vodka.

360 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:56:45am

re: #357 sattv4u2

Or any one of the three!!

Yeah, pretty much. This dumbass had what most guys would consider to be ‘the life’…..six-figure job, living in Hawaii, pole-dancer girlfriend who he was apparently going to marry; but yeah, to hell with all that.

361 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:57:39am

re: #359 BigPapa

Hawaii ain’t all that… no good vodka.

Beats Teminal E.

362 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:57:46am

re: #360 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, pretty much. This dumbass had what most guys would consider to be ‘the life’…..six-figure job, living in Hawaii, pole-dancer girlfriend who he was apparently going to marry; but yeah, to hell with all that.

It’s cool—now he gets to hang with Greenwald and Assange.

363 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:57:52am

re: #347 Killgore Trout

Things seem peaceful so far. I suspect the police are afraid of the military and are going to behave themselves, maybe even to the point of letting the protesters run wild if they choose to. It’ll be an interesting day. Curiously I can’t find live video coverage. Al Jazeera isn’t covering this.

or

CAIRO — Thousands of members of the Muslim Brotherhood, many wearing hard hats and armed with makeshift clubs, are camped near the presidential palace in anticipation of a battle to defend their ally, President Mohamed Morsi

nytimes.com

364 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:58:33am

re: #362 Decatur Deb

It’s cool—now he gets to hang with Greenwald and Assange.

But enough about me…let’s talk about me.

365 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:58:40am
17:50 Al-Gamaa Al-Islamyia issues a statement stressing its commitment to peaceful protests in support of the president’s legitimacy, adding that it has not ordered any of its members to carry weapons.

The statement accuses the media of bias against Islamists, alleging that the mainstream media ignores the opposition’s crimes and the crimes of police officers against bearded men.

“The continuous attack on bearded men on public transport might compel some to carry tools for self defence,” the statement adds

366 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:58:58am

re: #361 darthstar

Beats Teminal E.

Nyet!

367 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 8:59:32am

re: #361 darthstar

Beats Teminal E.

Hey I’ll have you know here in Atlanta Terminal E is THE place to hang out !!

atlanta-airport.com

368 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:03:44am

re: #362 Decatur Deb

It’s cool—now he gets to hang with Greenwald and Assange.

One more and they could have a dorkvention.

369 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:04:46am

re: #368 Dr Lizardo

One more and they could have a dorkvention.

Maybe they can borrow Madsen from the Observer.

370 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:06:12am

re: #368 Dr Lizardo

One more and they could have a dorkvention.

Hey, I’ll have you know that those guys are asshats, not dorks. Dorks and geeks in that situation would play board games, not figure out how to betray their countries.

371 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:07:05am

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

Hey, I’ll have you know that those guys are asshats, not dorks. Dorks and geeks in that situation would play board games, not figure out how to betray their countries.

Not sure they can tell the difference.

372 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:07:55am

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

Hey, I’ll have you know that those guys are asshats, not dorks. Dorks and geeks in that situation would play board games, not figure out how to betray their countries.

So are you the tophat,,, or the racecar ,,, or perhaps the thimble??

373 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:08:28am

re: #372 sattv4u2

So are you the tophat,,, or the racecar ,,, or perhaps the thimble??

I get the iron!

374 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:10:44am

re: #373 darthstar

I get the iron!

Took the blue pill again, didjya!

375 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:11:27am

re: #367 sattv4u2

Hey I’ll have you know here in Atlanta Terminal E is THE place to hang out !!

atlanta-airport.com

dammit ,, that reminds me

Have to reserve my off-airport parking spot for week after next

376 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:11:45am

re: #302 Gus

BTW, I missed this part originally:

In France, Der Spiegel reported, the United States taps about 2 million connection data a day. Only Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand were explicitly exempted from spy attacks.

The BS Meter just pegged

377 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:13:34am

re: #376 dragonath

BTW, I missed this part originally:

The BS Meter just pegged

That and what’s a “spy attack?”

378 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:14:35am

re: #377 Gus

That and what’s a “spy attack?”

Image: Spy_vs_Spy_WallPaper_2560X1024_by_Zarious.png

379 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:16:06am

re: #372 sattv4u2

So are you the tophat,,, or the racecar ,,, or perhaps the thimble??


I’m the howitzer, baby!

380 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:17:42am

re: #379 Dark_Falcon


I’m the howitzer, baby!

You’re lucky size doesn’t matter!

BUT, for the women you’re with, not so much!

381 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:17:57am

re: #374 sattv4u2

Took the blue pill again, didjya!

It was just Aleve, geeze. Darth does hard outdoor activities and sometimes he needs that for pain control, same as I need it for my back.

/Not to be taken seriously about Darthstar.

382 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:18:09am

re: #378 sattv4u2

Spooky—that’s the very same one I grabbed, but the screen locked.

383 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:24:41am
384 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:25:13am

Thanks Reagan!

//

385 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:26:00am

re: #382 Decatur Deb

Spooky—that’s the very same one I grabbed, but the screen locked.

My Spies Are Better Than Your Spies!!

386 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:28:32am
387 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:29:51am

re: #386 Gus

Caption should read: I really need a nap. Good Night.

388 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:33:54am

re: #387 PhillyPretzel

Caption should read: I really need a nap. Good Night.

more likely: Good Day. Cats are often more active at night.

389 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:34:16am

Egyptian TV staff on strike against curbs on protests coverage

Employees in Egypt’s state-owned Nile News today said they will go on strike, objecting to alleged interference by the ruling party in the telecast of the ongoing protests against President Mohammed Mursi.

The employees said in a statement that the “management was impeding them from performing professionally”, alleging that the Muslim Brotherhood sent its men to the TV station to control studio guests being interviewed and influence coverage of the anti-Mursi protests.

They said, they were instructed to shoot the protests from narrow angles and to try and belittle the size of the protesters.

390 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:36:23am

re: #383 Gus

My surprise. Let me show it to you.

Image: Bored_Face_by_Krasus.jpg

391 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:38:08am

re: #390 Dr Lizardo

My surprise. Let me show it to you.

Image: Bored_Face_by_Krasus.jpg

You really should look into getting a nosejob

392 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:41:37am

re: #391 sattv4u2

You really should look into getting a nosejob

Heh.

This is not a surprise. I wonder what this groups reaction will be?

Might it look like this?

Image: temper-tantrum-o.gif

393 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:42:39am

re: #389 Killgore Trout

CAIRO — At least four people are dead across Egypt, including a 14-year-old boy, after antigovernment protesters ransacked Muslim Brotherhood offices on Friday and tens of thousands of supporters and opponents of President Mohamed Morsi held dueling rallies in the capital, Cairo.
nytimes.com

from an earlier story I poisted it stated the police would NOT interfere if/when the crowds went to the MB offices

394 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:42:44am

re: #389 Killgore Trout

Egyptian TV staff on strike against curbs on protests coverage

I’m currently in not giving a damn mode WRT to the MB opposition.

395 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:43:35am

Not just because of that either.

396 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:43:57am

re: #394 Gus

I’m currently in not giving a damn mode WRT to the MB opposition.

lol

397 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:45:23am

re: #396 Killgore Trout

lol

Yeah, MB goes down they’ll just replace him with some other nut who may in fact be worse than Morsi. Same thing will happen in Turkey. If it happens.

398 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:46:25am

re: #397 Gus

Yeah, MB goes down they’ll just replace him with some other nut who may in fact be worse than Morsi. Same thing will happen in Turkey. If it happens.

Lather, rinse, repeat. They’ll get it right eventually.

399 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:47:45am

re: #389 Killgore Trout

from an earlier story I poisted it stated the police would NOT interfere if/when the crowds went to the MB offices

Found it

Gen. Salah Zeyada, a senior Interior Ministry official on the association’s board, reassured him. “We all agree, brothers, that there will be no security provided for headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood,” he said

nytimes.com

The “asociation” he’s referencing is from the paragraph before that one
At a recent meeting of the main police officers’ association to discuss the planned protests,

400 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:49:36am

re: #399 sattv4u2

from an earlier story I poisted it stated the police would NOT interfere if/when the crowds went to the MB offices

Found it

Gen. Salah Zeyada, a senior Interior Ministry official on the association’s board, reassured him. “We all agree, brothers, that there will be no security provided for headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood,” he said

nytimes.com

The “asociation” he’s referencing is from the paragraph before that one
At a recent meeting of the main police officers’ association to discuss the planned protests,

Damn. I wonder what’s stopping them from just overtaking MB offices and storming the palace. I don’t think anyone would stop them.

401 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:50:44am

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Damn. I wonder what’s stopping them from just overtaking MB offices and storming the palace. I don’t think anyone would stop them.

Thousands of members of the Muslim Brotherhood, many wearing hard hats and armed with makeshift clubs, are camped near the presidential palace in anticipation of a battle to defend their ally,
nytimes.com

Human Shields

402 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:50:49am
403 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:51:05am

re: #400 Killgore Trout

re: #401 sattv4u2

Thousands of members of the Muslim Brotherhood, many wearing hard hats and armed with makeshift clubs, are camped near the presidential palace in anticipation of a battle to defend their ally,
nytimes.com

Human Shields

with clubs

404 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:51:25am

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Damn. I wonder what’s stopping them from just overtaking MB offices and storming the palace. I don’t think anyone would stop them.

Not protecting MBHQ and not protecting the presidential palace are two different things, you know. The police likely would protect the latter.

405 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:51:54am

re: #403 sattv4u2

re: #401 sattv4u2

with clubs

and armed corgis!!
/

406 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:56:03am

re: #404 Dark_Falcon

The police like would protect the latter.

I don’t think they will, not after reading the links I posted

The army might, but the police,, , nuh uh!!

At a recent meeting of the main police officers’ association to discuss the planned protests, one policeman recalled their “betrayal” by the collapse of the Mubarak government and called their current diminished status “a catastrophe.

The police and their association feels “marginalized” by the Morsi gov’t, and has been appluading the protesters as they march by

407 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 9:59:22am
18:55 Around 26 alleged members of Islamist groups are arrested by security forces at an apartment in Cairo’s Moqattam district for possessing weapons, including knives, helmets and bulletproof vests, MENA reports.

MENA also reports that three were arrested in the vicinity of the presidential palace for possessing bladed weapons and firearms

408 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:02:29am

re: #404 Dark_Falcon

Not protecting MBHQ and not protecting the presidential palace are two different things, you know. The police like would protect the latter.

the police are in more or less open revolt.
he said that if even a single officer went to protect a Brotherhood office on Sunday, “I swear to God almighty, he will be shot.”

409 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:02:33am

In my opinion I’d rather see the military take over temporarily and set up Ataturk-like rules for secular society and government with the military as the guardian. The model worked well in Turkey for a long time and I think it’s the best model for democracy in the region.

410 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:02:55am

Jim DeMint: Women want to be forced to have ultrasounds

Some women like being forced to have an ultrasound before receiving an abortion, according to former Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC).

Republicans in state legislatures across the country have pushed legislation that requires women to undergo an ultrasound procedure 24 hours before terminating their pregnancy. The so-called “informed consent” laws usually require women to be given a picture of the fetus and be shown a fetal heartbeat, along with general information about abortion.

“The more the ultrasounds have become part of the law, where a woman gets the opportunity to see that there’s a real child, it’s beginning to change minds, and I think that’s a good thing,” DeMint said on NBC’s Meet the Press. “It’s time that the 3,000 babies we lose every day have some people speaking up for them.”
…
DeMint, however, insisted that some women wanted the state to force them to have an ultrasound.

“She’s forgetting about the thousands of women who want an informed choice, who want the opportunity to get a free ultrasound, which they can get not from Planned Parenthood but from a lot of these pregnancy centers.”

411 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:03:51am

re: #408 sattv4u2

the police are in more or less open revolt.
he said that if even a single officer went to protect a Brotherhood office on Sunday, “I swear to God almighty, he will be shot.”

I suspect the only thing holding the protesters back is their own motivation to stick with the democratic process.

412 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:03:55am

re: #409 Killgore Trout

In my opinion I’d rather see the military take over temporarily and set up Ataturk-like rules for secular society and government with the military as the guardian. The model worked well in Turkey for a long time and I think it’s the best model for democracy in the region.


Last week the military issued a cryptic statement urging all sides to reconcile, pledging to step into politics if needed to protect the nation and making no reference to Mr. Morsi.

413 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:04:34am

re: #411 Killgore Trout

I suspect the only thing holding the protesters back is their own motivation to stick with the democratic process.

Agree

Well,, that, and the corgis!!
/(last part)

414 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:06:00am

re: #412 sattv4u2


Last week the military issued a cryptic statement urging all sides to reconcile, pledging to step into politics if needed to protect the nation and making no reference to Mr. Morsi.

Yeah, so far it doesn’t look like much action but I think a coup is a possibility.

415 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:08:53am

Good afternoon Lizards..
I finally opened up a Facebook account last night..Just to stay in touch with family..I can’t even keep up with all the friend requests and posting on my page. Less than 24 hours later I’m flooded with postings and pictures on my ’ Wall ’ ( what a stupid name for a page )

416 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:13:04am

re: #415 HoosierHoops

Good afternoon Lizards..
I finally opened up a Facebook account last night..Just to stay in touch with family..I can’t even keep up with all the friend requests and posting on my page. Less than 24 hours later I’m flooded with postings and pictures on my ’ Wall ’ ( what a stupid name for a page )

I broke down and made one maybe a week ago.

My single post so far is “meh.”

417 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:14:20am
19:00 Down south in Minya, Upper Egypt two people are injured after unknown assailants throw a bomb from a building at protesters passing along Hosseiny Street, Al-Ahram Arabic new website reports.
418 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:16:57am

“new website reports”…

419 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:17:46am
420 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:20:01am

re: #415 HoosierHoops

I can’t even keep up with all the friend requests and posting on my page.

show off

421 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:20:15am

re: #419 darthstar

‘Egypt on Edge’… Thank You, Capt. Obvious!

422 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:20:37am
423 darthstar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:21:22am

Okay…time to put away the mess I made painting the living room and get ready for a day out.

424 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:21:50am
425 sagehen  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:24:26am

re: #410 Kragar

Jim DeMint: Women want to be forced to have ultrasounds

Yes… women want to be forced to do things we’ve said “no” to, because it’s only cultural conditioning that tells us we’re supposed to say no, and we’re ever-so-grateful to be able to get what we really want without having to admit to wanting it… we love when men force us like that…

//(must I?)

426 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:24:37am

re: #417 Killgore Trout

people are injured after unknown assailants throw a bomb

Sadly, there is going to be a lot of that, I fear

Drive bys also

427 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:29:44am

BBL

428 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:29:50am
429 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:31:12am

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

BBL

must you?

430 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:32:04am
431 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:33:16am

re: #428 Gus

re: #430 Gus

Either someone just won the World Series, or someone’s about to lose his seat/ title!!

432 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:41:39am

Good grief. What is going on with all these tech journalists making huge leaps to unwarranted conclusions?

New PRISM Slides Say the Program Allows NSA to Eavesdrop on Live Conversations — Tech News and Analysis

If you read the article, you’ll discover that the slides do not actually say this at all. He’s referring to an annotation by Washington Post reporter Barton Gellman, and as far as I can see, Gellman’s annotation is not supported by the actual slide.

I can’t believe how crazy this is getting.

433 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:44:37am

Notice that Ingram’s article also avoids mentioning that the surveillance referred to in these new slides is surveillance of foreign nationals. This important information is buried in the last paragraph, along with an implication that it isn’t true.

434 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:45:28am

And on that note

Errands

435 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:46:20am

re: #433 Charles Johnson

Notice that Ingram’s article also completely avoids mentioning that the surveillance referred to in these new slides is surveillance of foreign nationals.

But the merest potential an American citizen might possibly have his information recorded, then discarded, should render any attempts at National Security null and void!
///

436 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:48:17am

re: #433 Charles Johnson

At this point they are just giving the pitchforked few red meat headlines that don’t convey reality. Clicks baby.

437 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:49:28am

re: #428 Gus

Morsi is clever, but too clever by half. He just keeps adding to what was already a volatile situation.

438 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:50:13am

And in other not-very-surprising news: Michael Jackson Spent $35 Million to Cover Up Molestations of 24 Boys: Report.

439 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:50:38am

Anyone who is really scared the NSA might be listening to them should start every phone call with “I’m an American and I do no give consent to be monitored!”

That way, I’ll know the person is an idiot and I can hang up on them right away.

440 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:53:50am
19:45 Heba El-Sayed, a nurse at the field clinic in Omar El-Islam Mosque in Alexandria’s Sidi Gaber, tells Ahram Online’s Yasmine Fathi that several people have been injured in sporadic scuffles between protesters. So far, however, Alexandria has not seen the kind of violent clashes that have been taking place over the last few days.
441 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:56:40am

Who the hell is Steve Quayle? We’re getting pretty huge traffic from his site - a completely batshit loony conspiracy site. I’ve never heard of this guy.

442 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:58:23am

re: #441 Charles Johnson

Who the hell is Steve Quayle? We’re getting pretty huge traffic from his site - a completely batshit loony conspiracy site. I’ve never heard of this guy.

Obviously a bird brain.

443 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:58:28am

re: #441 Charles Johnson

Who the hell is Steve Quayle? We’re getting pretty huge traffic from his site - a completely batshit loony conspiracy site. I’ve never heard of this guy.

Looks like a RWNJ radio douche

444 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:59:11am

Steve Quayle : Illuminati Want You to Die

Youtube Video

Riiiiiight.

445 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:00:10am

biab

446 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:00:30am

re: #441 Charles Johnson

Who the hell is Steve Quayle? We’re getting pretty huge traffic from his site - a completely batshit loony conspiracy site. I’ve never heard of this guy.

Newest host of “Coast to Coast” ….

448 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:01:45am

From one of his videos:

Stephen Quayle is the author of five books. For over thirty years, he has been investigating ancient civilizations, giants, UFOs and biological warfare as they relate to the future of mankind. Stephen discusses the coming worst-case scenarios approaching this world and how they interrelate to each other. Earthquakes, volcanoes, nuclear and biological terrorism, coupled with the planned financial meltdown of the U.S. dollar will thrust us into unimagined tribulations. Stephen Quayle is on record as stating that we have moved from the realm of natural threats into the arena of supernaturally guided events of the unseen hand of evil orchestrating world events of unfathomable proportions.

449 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:03:03am

re: #441 Charles Johnson

Who the hell is Steve Quayle? We’re getting pretty huge traffic from his site - a completely batshit loony conspiracy site. I’ve never heard of this guy.

Scared to open his site. Google subheadings:

This is the official homepage for Steve Quayle, controversial shortwave talk radio personality. It features his books, videos and products.

Genesis 6 GIANTS
Steve Quayle - Genesis 6 GIANTS and ancient history.

My guess he is the kind that would suggest that you make your own tinfoil for your tinfoil hat because the Illuminati has control of the tinfoil manufacture.

450 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:04:55am

re: #446 Randall Gross

Newest host of “Coast to Coast” ….

Coast to Coast bio:

Stephen Quayle is the author of five books. For over thirty years, he has been investigating ancient civilizations, giants, UFOs and biological warfare as they relate to the future of mankind. Stephen discusses the coming worst-case scenarios approaching this world and how they interrelate to each other. Earthquakes, volcanoes, nuclear and biological terrorism, coupled with the planned financial meltdown of the U.S. dollar will thrust us into unimagined tribulations. Stephen Quayle is on record as stating that we have moved from the realm of natural threats into the arena of supernaturally guided events of the unseen hand of evil orchestrating world events of unfathomable proportions.

Sorry, just noticed Kragar posted the same thing

451 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:05:01am

re: #449 b.d.

Scared to open his site. Google subheadings:

My guess he is the kind that would suggest that you make your own tinfoil for your tinfoil hat because the Illuminati has control of the tinfoil manufacture.

TIN FOIL?!?! YOU CAN’T WEAR TIN FOIL, YOU LUNATIC! ONLY A PROPERLY CONSTRUCTED MEAT HELMET CAN PROTECT YOU!!!
/

452 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:05:53am

re: #449 b.d.

It’s like the Rense website. Conspiracy theories, GOLD!! and BENGHAZI!!!

453 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:06:04am

ALERT: For The Record

Tinfoil is no longer made of tin. It is now made of aluminum.
The correct name is aluminum foil.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled show.

454 AlexRogan  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:06:18am

re: #446 Randall Gross

Newest host of “Coast to Coast” ….

A recent guest, not a host (that’s still primarily Noori’s job); however, I see that Alex Jones and Jerome Corsi are also on the recent guests list.

I miss Art Bell; at least he was entertaining and engaging when he had the batshit crazy guests on. Noori’s like hearing paint dry.

455 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:09:39am

re: #453 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

ALERT: For The Record

Tinfoil is no longer made of tin. It is now made of aluminum.
The correct name is aluminum foil.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled show.

Protip: the correct term for Americans to find “tin foil” overseas is “baking foil”. Asking for “tin foil” or American pronounced “aluminium foil” will just result in blank stares.

456 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:10:28am

re: #453 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

That’s what they want you to think.

457 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:10:40am

Shortwave means too crazy for AM.

458 AlexRogan  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:12:47am

re: #457 dragonath

Shortwave means too crazy for AM.

It’s also the refuge for some of the most strident racists on the air, IIRC.

459 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:15:14am

re: #454 AlexRogan

Not yet, though I see that Alex Jones and Jerome Corsi are on the recent guests list.

ahhh — I see he is the shortwave version. George Noory is still the AM version. Subtle branding association, I notice he also uses the term “infowars” a few times, even though he’s not Alex Jones.

460 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:26:18am

re: #458 AlexRogan

It’s also the refuge for some of the most strident racists on the air, IIRC.

SUNSPOTS ARE RUINING YOUR RECEPTION: A COMMUNIST ILLUMINATI CONSPIRACY?

461 stabby  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:42:32am

Good morning. Somewhere.

Youtube Video


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