Breitbart.com Partners With 9/11 Truther to Cover Gettysburg Anniversary

A partnership that had to be
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Today the right wing propagandists at breitbart.com are announcing a new partnership: ‘GETTYSBURG 150’ BROADCAST SCHEDULE: BREITBART NEWS PARTNERS WITH N3 TO OFFER 20 HOURS OF COVERAGE.

Breitbart News will partner with Next News Network (N3) to live-stream 20 hours of coverage and honor the 150th Anniversary of Battle of Gettysburg. Breitbart News and N3 will provide coverage over the next eight days, which can be seen on Breitbart TV.

“Breitbart News network is providing unprecedented coverage of the events of the 150th Anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg because of its importance for America today. We are not here merely to remember and honor our history, but to use that history as a springboard to define ourselves,” Breitbart News Executive Chairman Stephen K. Bannon said. “We at Breitbart News want our coverage to reach as many people as possible and in that regard we are very excited about our distribution deal with Next News Network and look forward to working with the N3 team more in the future.”

Who or what is “Next News Network?” It’s the extreme right wing “news” station started by former Ron Paul Super PAC leader Gary Franchi. And Mr. Franchi is a well-known 9/11 Truther, an all-around conspiracy theorist, and a frequent guest on the Alex Jones show.

In addition to his belief that the World Trade Center towers were brought down by a planned demolition, Franchi is a proponent of the right wing “FEMA Camps” conspiracy theory, the fantasy that the US is building secret concentration camps to imprison US citizens. He also believes that the US government is plotting to implant RFID chips in all Americans. And of course, he’s a Birther.

Honestly, I can’t imagine a more fitting partnership. And in the comments for this article, people are already showing up to support the Confederate side, of course.

(h/t: @NicoleGennette.)

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192 comments
1 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:52:36pm

Knowing Breitbart, I expect them to report the South won by the end of the day.

2 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:54:02pm

Ahahahaha!

3 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:54:12pm

And this website is considered more reliable than MSM by US right wingers. Bloody incredible. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. The dissonance is staggering, does anyone believe they would have put up with this bs if a republican was POTUS?

On an equally sad, and related, note:

4 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:54:21pm

Americans Prepare For Annual Celebration Of Victory Over French In 1812

will also lay wreaths at graves of those who died defeating germans at pearl harbor

5 jaunte  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:57:09pm

Nothing like getting together with a bunch of conspiracy promoters to play soldier.

Gary Franchi is one of the leading promoters of a resurgent Patriot conspiracy theory that alleges the government is creating concentration camps for U.S. citizens. In 2009, he produced “Camp FEMA: American Lockdown,” a video contending that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is behind the camps that could be used to house political dissenters.

The camps “are on existing military bases now,” he said in a February webinar posted on his magazine’s website. “It’s not a big secret.”
……….
Proponents of non-violence may find themselves at a disadvantage when the government shows up to ferry them to the camps, Franchi said. “If you believe in the 2nd amendment, if you believe in the right to self-defense, then perhaps you will have a different decision to make than the person that will let them kick your door in and drag you out.”*
splcenter.org

*hint hint, nudge nudge.

6 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:59:09pm
7 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:59:21pm

And sarah palin once again displays her complete lack of understanding history in an article at Breitbart, wherein she asserts:

We became one nation at Gettysburg not only because we preserved our union there, but also because in the decades following the war, veterans of the Blue and the Gray would come together on the anniversary of those fateful days to shake hands in brotherhood across the once bitter field of battle.

I suppose she thinks the two years of Civil War that followed Gettysburg was just for shits & giggles…

8 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:00:29pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

They were debating who got the fine china and the linens of course. //////

9 The Mountain That Blogs  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:00:47pm

re: #3 HAL2010

I don’t think people who believe in the second coming believe the government shouldn’t act on climate change because Jesus will sort all that out when he comes back, I think it’s people who believe in the second coming also tend to not believe climate change is actually happening at all.

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:02:44pm

re: #8 lawhawk

They were debating who got the fine china and the linens of course. //////

and here I thought it might be that they already had the uniforms so why not keep using them…
//

11 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:03:42pm
12 freetoken  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:05:43pm

This continuing effort to repackage the Confederacy is tied to the entire atavism movement, which is also linked arm in arm to religious fundamentalism.

Tying this in to Paula Deen, one fundamentalist blogger who wrote a begrudging defense of her from the viewpoint that she is the victim of p.c. hyper-activism, lists complaints that he sees as being targets of unfair charges of racism (really, of bias against the South), and what does he put first on the list?:

Which brings me to related point of irritation. It seems that, even if one had never used the N-word, it would be impossible to be Southerner who honors his heritage and not be considered ipso facto a racist. You can grant that much associated with slavery as practiced in the South was evil. You can rejoice not only that those evils are ended but that the institution of slavery no longer exists in the west in any form. You can believe in equal rights under the law for all. You can denounce racism. You can defend the right to interracial marriage. Still you might be a racist…

…if you believe the Southern states that voluntarily entered the Union had a right to leave upon reasons deemed sufficient by them.

…if you take some of your ideals of what it means to be a Christian gentleman from Robert E. Lee.

…if you find in Stonewall Jackson an example of manly courage.


[…]

SUCCESSIONISM!

What is it with is it with those who refuse to see that South Carolinas succession had everything to do with their desire to keep slavery?

14 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:10:59pm

re: #13 Gus

Links to top of thread comments; may want to fix.

15 jaunte  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:11:18pm
“I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that Breitbart’s Gettysburg coverage graphic prominently features the Dixie flag”

Not just that, they seem to be mostly commemorating George Pickett’s confederate charge against Meade’s Union troops.

Wednesday 07/03 - Noon - 6 PM
Pickett’s Charge commemoration noon to 3 PM EDT
Battlefield March for 10,000 3 PM to 5 PM EDT
Day Conclusion 5 PM to 6 PM EDT

Sunday 07/07 - 11 AM - 7 PM
Expert Commentary 11 AM to 1 PM EDT
The Bombardment (of the Union defense by southern artillery) 1 PM to 3 PM EDT
Pickett’s Charge Re-Enactment with 20,000 re-enactors 3 PM to 5 PM EDT
Day’s Conclusion

16 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:12:22pm

re: #13 Gus

Bilderberg Exposed: Leaks, Whistleblowers, and Secrets | Next News Network (N3)!!!!

Same Next News Network (N3). Said video by the Corbett Report. Some LGF readers might find the following search, interesting: The Corbett Report | zionist.

17 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:13:58pm

Meanwhile in Egypt:


18 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:14:41pm

Sibel Edmonds Answers Your Questions on Gladio B | Next News Network (N3)

SHOW NOTES AND AUDIO MP3: corbettreport.com After four hours of intense conversation on Gladio B, this week James and Sibel take a step back to consolidate some of the information and answer listener questions. In this interview we discuss specific characters and events as well as the broad scope of geopolitics and the great game of British imperialism and Zionist manipulations.

Copyright (c) 2013 Next News Network (N3). All rights reserved. - See more at: nextnewsnetwork.com

19 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:15:09pm
20 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:15:46pm

re: #17 HAL2010

Meanwhile in Egypt:

I’m waiting for Pam to say its all a plot by the MB

21 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:15:49pm


Wow.

22 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:16:04pm

re: #12 freetoken

This continuing effort to repackage the Confederacy is tied to the entire atavism movement, which is also linked arm in arm to religious fundamentalism.

Tying this in to Paula Deen, one fundamentalist blogger who wrote a begrudging defense of her from the viewpoint that she is the victim of p.c. hyper-activism, lists complaints that he sees as being targets of unfair charges of racism (really, of bias against the South), and what does he put first on the list?:

SUCCESSIONISM!

What is it with is it with those who refuse to see that South Carolinas succession had everything to do with their desire to keep slavery?

I read a quote from a fellow who runs a Civil War History page that sums up a sane Southern view of one’s history:

“I am a Southerner by birth and a Rebel by choice. As I read and study, I pull for Lee, Jackson, and Longstreet. As I live, I thank Grant, Lincoln, and Democracy.”

Shotgun

23 jaunte  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:16:42pm

This may be the place shown in the painting:
High-water mark of the Confederacy

“The high-water mark of the Confederacy refers to a Gettysburg Battlefield area at The Angle which was the farthest American Civil War line of advance of “The Assaulting Column” of the Confederate “Longstreet’s assault” into the Union Army defensive line during July 3 of the 1863 Battle of Gettysburg.[1] Similar to a high water mark of water, the term is a reference to arguably the Confederate Army’s best chance of achieving victory in the war.”

24 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:17:52pm

Something is going on in Cairo.

25 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:18:09pm

english.ahram.org.eg

21:30 An eyewitness tells Ahram Online that she saw 12 people injured in the ongoing melee at the Muslim Brotherhood’s headquarters, saying the number of injuries is likely be higher and is expected to further rise the coming few hours.

The 26-year-old, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said some were injured by birdshot, including a photojournalist who was shot in the eye.

An officer had his back wounded by birdshot, as did a female journalist who sustained a leg injury. According to the witness, the building was first attacked with Molotov cocktails and stones.

The eyewitness also stresses that birdshot is used by both Muslim Brotherhood members and their opponents.

27 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:18:43pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

28 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:19:30pm

re: #14 abolitionist

Links to top of thread comments; may want to fix.

Thanks, fixed.

29 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:20:03pm

re: #24 HAL2010

Something is going on in Cairo.

It sure seems like it. There is coverage but the press doesn’t seem overly interested, even Al Jazeera coverage has been really light. If it wasn’t for the apathetic press coverage I’d guess a coup might be a possibility. Maybe they know something I don’t.

30 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:20:12pm
31 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:20:46pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

32 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:26:41pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Of course Al-Jazeera is going to ignore it. They have supported the MB since the start of the hoopla. They are going to try to bury the story.

33 freetoken  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:28:39pm

BTW, I see the Bratfarts are piling on the Obama’s trip to Africa.

Surprised - we are not.

I’m sure the birthers will glom onto this:

WHITE HOUSE NOTEBOOK: TUTU WELCOMES OBAMA ‘HOME’

[…]

Tutu greeted Obama with a “welcome home” to the continent where his father was born, and pleaded with the U.S. president to be a leader for peace, especially in the Middle East, who can make all Africans proud.

[…]

34 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:29:13pm

Oh look! —->
“Russell Peters on 9/11 & Bilderberg | Next News Network (N3)”
nextnewsnetwork.com
#Truthers

35 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:29:48pm


@arabist is linking to a lot of informative info right now if you’re interested.

36 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:30:01pm

re: #34 Gus

Oh look! —->
“Russell Peters on 9/11 & Bilderberg | Next News Network (N3)”
nextnewsnetwork.com
#Truthers

At a charity event for Sting, Luke Rudkowski interviewed comedian Russell Peters about his thoughts on Obama’s drone policy. The conversation led to Russell Peter’s doubt in the government’s official story of 9/11 and the Bilderberg Group.

37 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:31:45pm

Search results for “bilderberg” | Next News Network (N3)

38 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:31:52pm

Not trying to hijack the thread, tell me off if I’m a pain in the ass. But this stuff is interesting.

39 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:32:41pm

David Icke Arrives at Bilderberg 2013 | Next News Network (N3)

——> David Icke arrives at Bilderberg 2013.

Author: wearechange

40 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:33:26pm

re: #32 ProTARDISLiberal

Of course Al-Jazeera is going to ignore it. They have supported the MB since the start of the hoopla. They are going to try to bury the story.

Also the anti-government protesters have attack al Jaz journalists and offices in the past. They probably still have a good presence in the country but their offices near Tahir were burnt down a year ago.

41 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:33:44pm

Search results for “David Icke” | Next News Network (N3)

42 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:34:42pm

Now with more pictures.

43 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:36:11pm

There’s more!

SPECIAL REPORT: Bilderberg Hunter Jim Tucker Passes Torch
James P. Tucker, Jr. (12/31/1934 - 4/26/2013), famed Bilderberg Hound, author of Jim Tucker’s Bilderberg Diary, passed away yesterday due to complications he suffered following a fall.

Having slowed down considerably in recent months, Tucker had just decided not to attend this year’s Bilderberg gathering, passing his torch to AFP correspondent Mark Anderson, who had joined Tucker in covering a number of recent Bilderberg gatherings, but if anything is for certain it is this: the old Bilderberg Hound will be there in spirit and, given the opportunity, he might even slip David Rockefeller a “mickey.”

Tucker is survived by two sons and literally millions of friends and admirers all over the world who appreciated Jim’s wry humor and the real journalism that he represented in every sense of the word. His literary legacy not only includes many thousands of articles published in The Spotlight and AMERICAN FREE PRESS, but also his classic memoir, Jim Tucker’s Bilderberg Diary, and The Crimes of Yalta, first published in 1984 and just recently slated for republication.

Source: American Free Press

America Free Press! Haha!

Writers for the newspaper include Michael Collins Piper, whose work has been characterized as anti-semitic,[4] and James P. Tucker, Jr., a longtime Spotlight reporter whose focus is the Bilderberg Group. Articles by Carto also appear occasionally. James Edwards, who now hosts The Political Cesspool (broadcast as a service of the neo-Nazi Stormfront) was also a former writer for the newspaper.

The newspaper also runs columns by Joe Sobran, James Traficant, Paul Craig Roberts, Ron Paul, and others. The newspaper’s podcast series has featured mainstream guests including Brian Baird, Philip Giraldi, Dean Baker, and others.[5]

Attendees of the 2006 American Free Press / The Barnes Review conference included [6] Arthur Jones, former member Nationalist Socialist White People’s Party [7] and USS Liberty investigator Tito Howard. Dr. Hesham Tillawi whose show has been called “a megaphone for Holocaust deniers and white supremacists seeking to broadcast their hatred and anti-Semitism into American homes”[by whom?] also was a speaker.

Some authors of the American Free Press such as Michael Collins Piper and Carto-affiliated institutions such as the Institute for Historical Review have published books which have been published in paper and electronic format on the America First Books website America First Books.[8][9] William B. Fox is the publisher. It promotes nationalist viewpoints similar to those of the American Free Press and its authors. On its website it is explained why “supporting nationalism, to include even certain forms of ‘white nationalism’ makes good long term business sense”

44 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:37:59pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

One wonders if that attack was because of their support of the now-embattled MB.

45 Kid Hail Satan  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:39:05pm

LOL.

46 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:39:39pm

TEH JUICE!

47 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:40:42pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

re: #44 ProTARDISLiberal


Will be interesting to see where Egypt and the protests go from here.

48 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:41:33pm

re: #43 Gus

Yes, these people are completely batshit. This is now the mainstream right wing.

49 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:42:18pm

Just because someone is a southerner does not mean they were descended from Confederates. There were many southerners who fought for the Union including my Great Grandfather and GG Grandfather. They fought for the American flag which, ironically, the confederates hated and is why it became popular in the Union to display the American flag.
This makes it even more disgusting that so many of these American flag patriots sympathize with the Confederates. They were somehow allowed to pirate the Union flag with all their “Real American” identity all the while, flaunting the Confederate flag.
Many Confederate southerners today would probably be shocked to learn they descend from southerners who fought against the Confederacy.

50 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:42:39pm

Anti-Semites And Extremists To Host “Freedompalooza 2013” On July 4th Weekend

White suprema­cists, anti-Semites, anti-government extrem­ists and con­spir­acy the­o­rists are among speak­ers sched­uled to appear at “Free­dom­palooza 2013,” orga­nized by Paul Topete, lead singer of the band Pok­er­face and an anti-Semite and anti-government extrem­ist. It is the third time Topete has orga­nized such an event in Penn­syl­va­nia, but he allegedly has plans to orga­nize future events in other regions of the country.

Free­dom­palooza will take place from July 4-6, 2013, in Bucks County in east­ern Penn­syl­va­nia. Although a local restau­rant is pro­vid­ing the prop­erty and sell­ing food at the event, the pri­mary spon­sor (and pro­moter) of the event is the Amer­i­can Free Press, the anti-Semitic and conspiracy-oriented news­pa­per pub­lished by long-time white suprema­cist Willis Carto.

Topete has lined up a long list of bands and speak­ers, many of the lat­ter com­ing from extrem­ist and fringe move­ments and causes. One theme that unites many speak­ers is vir­u­lent anti-Semitism or anti-Israel sen­ti­ment. Two of the more promi­nent speak­ers, for exam­ple, are for­mer mem­bers of Con­gress: Cyn­thia McK­in­ney and James Traf­i­cant. McK­in­ney is a long-time anti-Israel activist who has sup­ported anti-Semitic groups such as the Nation of Islam and the New Black Pan­ther Party, while Traf­i­cant, since his release from prison on fed­eral rack­e­teer­ing and bribery con­vic­tions, has joined the Amer­i­can Free Press, in whose pages he has expressed his own anti-Semitic and anti-Israel views. Another sched­uled speaker is Jim Con­dit, Jr., who sev­eral times ran for Con­gress in Ohio, tak­ing advan­tage of his can­di­date sta­tus to obtain a plat­form for express­ing his anti-Semitic views in radio advertisements….

51 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:43:01pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Yes, these people are completely batshit. This is now the mainstream right wing.

Just like the JBS.

52 freetoken  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:46:37pm

re: #47 HAL2010

[…]

The country is gripped by expectant hysteria, like a Twilight Zone version of the hours before a World Cup final: nearly 90 million penned-in bystanders waiting on the opening whistle of a match to be played for keeps with guns and knives by partisans they hardly recognize as their own. […]

The revolutionaries and marginalized young men and women who had joined the fight were filled with righteous anger. […]

Much has been written about the population explosion in Egypt the past couple of decades, how it was not sustainable outside the flow of oil money around that region, and so forth.

I’m not sure what the population of Egypt is today (as if there is an accurate count), but Egypt has not only not transitioned to a democracy very well but it has also not transitioned to an economy that can fully engage and support its burgeoning population.

53 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:46:48pm

re: #47 HAL2010

History often repeats itself. In this case, Egypt is looking more and more like Revolutionary France.

54 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:46:48pm

Things just got a tad more serious.

55 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:48:38pm

re: #52 freetoken

The fact is, Egypt simply cannot support that many people sustain-ably. There will eventually be a major emigration. And considering the the Demographics and politics, I think I know where many of the future immigrants will go.

56 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:48:50pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Yes, these people are completely batshit. This is now the mainstream right wing.

Premiere of “Jekyll Island” Secret Origins - Bill Still #N3 | Next News Network (N3)

We will discuss these questions with Bill Still, historian, author, and documentary filmmaker whose most recent project is the new film “Jekyll Island,” an expose describing the secret origins of the Federal Reserve System.

Author of New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies.

TEH JUICE!

57 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:49:29pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

And increasingly the only way to differentiate yourself among GOPers is to pull increasingly extremist views and claiming anyone to your left is RINO or worse.

Heck, just this past week, Ann Coulter was saying that Gov. Christie was dead to her because his pick for the temporary Senate seat voted for the immigration bill.

That’s right, someone like Gov. Christie, who will occasionally show bipartisan spirit, but whose core values are solidly right wing, is a RINO in Coulter’s eye.

It’s also a not so subtle tell that the GOP is heading for a crackup where anyone with insufficiently right wing views are drummed out and the party shifts the discussion ever more to the right.

58 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:49:42pm

re: #49 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!

Just because someone is a southerner does not mean they were descended from Confederates. There were many southerners who fought for the Union including my Great Grandfather and GG Grandfather. They fought for the American flag which, ironically, the confederates hated and is why it became popular in the Union to display the American flag.
This makes it even more disgusting that so many of these American flag patriots sympathize with the Confederates. They were somehow allowed to pirate the Union flag with all their “Real American” identity all the while, flaunting the Confederate flag.
Many Confederate southerners today would probably be shocked to learn they descend from southerners who fought against the Confederacy.

And just because someone is a northerner doesn’t give them a permanent ticket to pure-driven righteousness. My GGG Uncle was Gen Philip Sheridan who, while a good Union general during the war and having done an excellent job in overseeing Chicago’s recovery after the Great Fire, did not have a record in dealing with the Native American “problem” of which our family is proud.
As for me, I was born in Kentucky and live here now. It was schizophrenic during the Civil War and remains that way to this day.

59 Kragar  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:49:50pm

re: #50 Gus

Anti-Semites And Extremists To Host “Freedompalooza 2013” On July 4th Weekend

“Our market research says the young kids of today are really into paloozas.”

60 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:50:31pm

These jackholes would be the first to get behind “enemy lines” in a war with our great Union. They don’t deserve to leach onto this history!

61 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:50:51pm

re: #52 freetoken

Much has been written about the population explosion in Egypt the past couple of decades, how it was not sustainable outside the flow of oil money around that region, and so forth.

I’m not sure what the population of Egypt is today (as if there is an accurate count), but Egypt has not only not transitioned to a democracy very well but it has also not transitioned to an economy that can fully engage and support its burgeoning population.

Completely agree.
Many of the stale institutions from the Mubarak regime are still very much alive, and in dire need of reform.

62 The Mountain That Blogs  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:50:59pm

re: #57 lawhawk

That’s right, someone like Gov. Christie, who will occasionally show bipartisan spirit, but whose core values are solidly right wing, is a RINO in Coulter’s eye.

Well, there’s the problem.

63 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:51:02pm


Things are about to get a whole lot worse. Morsi’s going to have to respond, and a crackdown is all too likely.

64 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:51:10pm
65 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:51:53pm

re: #63 lawhawk

The MB is Egypt is hosed in the medium run.

66 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:52:35pm

re: #63 lawhawk

Things are about to get a whole lot worse. Morsi’s going to have to respond, and a crackdown is all too likely.

And a crackdown will simply add fuel to the fire.

67 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:55:06pm

re: #50 Gus

Geezus. Yes I read about these idiots. There are apparently a lot of right wing extremists that are fed up with the Evangelical right wing and some white supremacists for ‘allowing’ Jews into the right wing.

68 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:56:28pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

And a crackdown will simply add fuel to the fire.

Well, if this is anything like the past year, watch for Morsi to claim outsiders (Iran) backing the violence as a way to undermine regimes backing the Syrian rebels, and then for the security forces to crack down while the Army stays on the sidelines - and whichever way the Army goes, so too will the Morsi government.

The Army will ultimately decide whether Morsi stays or goes.

69 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:57:21pm

re: #57 lawhawk

It’s also a not so subtle tell that the GOP is heading for a crackup where anyone with insufficiently right wing views are drummed out and the party shifts the discussion ever more to the right.

Sounds a lot like the Khmer Rouge. Those with insufficiently hardline views ended up purged, and in the case of the KR, ultimately dead in such less-than-friendly places like Tuol Sleng.

70 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 1:58:23pm
71 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:00:22pm

Shamefull.


72 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:00:58pm

re: #67 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!

Geezus. Yes I read about these idiots. There are apparently a lot of right wing extremists that are fed up with the Evangelical right wing and some white supremacists for ‘allowing’ Jews into the right wing.

That would indicate a massive right-wing crackup between the philosemites and the antisemites. The Evangelical right is solidly pro-Israel; however, many on the remainder of the far right are staunchly antisemitic.

73 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:02:41pm

History… Interview with G. Edward Griffin “The Individual vs. The Collective” | Next News Network (N3)

…

G. Edward Griffin

By 1964, Griffin had completed his first book, The Fearful Master, on the United Nations, a challenging topic that recurs throughout his writings. When George Wallace ran for President of the United States in the election of 1968, winning five states for the paleoconservative third-party American Independent Party, Griffin served as a writer for Wallace’s vice presidential candidate, Curtis LeMay,[1] a retired General of the Air Force. In the next year, Griffin began producing political films for American Media of Los Angeles[1] (later moving to Thousand Oaks and Westlake Village, California), of which he is president.[7] While he describes his work as the output of “a plain vanilla researcher”, Griffin also agrees with the Los Angeles Daily News characterizing him as “Crusader Rabbit”.[8]

Griffin has been a member and officer of the John Birch Society for much of his life[9][10] and a contributing editor to its magazine, The New American.[11] Since the 1960s, Griffin has spoken and written at length about the Society’s theory of history involving “communist and capitalist conspiracies” over banking systems (including the Federal Reserve System), American foreign policy, the Supreme Court of the United States, and the United Nations.[9][12][13] From 1962 to 1975, he completed nine books and seven film productions; his 1969 video lecture, More Deadly Than War: The Communist Revolution in America, was printed in English and Dutch. In 1974, he published World Without Cancer, and in 1975, he wrote a sympathetic biography of Society founder Robert W. Welch, which was well received by members of the organization.[14][15] Six of his documentaries from the early period were re-released in 2001 as Hidden Agenda: Real Conspiracies that Affect our Lives Today.

74 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:03:33pm

Did anybody think that things in Egypt were not going to get out of hand? Too many people have an interest in seeing chaos so they can come down with a strong hand…

75 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:05:56pm

re: #73 Gus

History… Interview with G. Edward Griffin “The Individual vs. The Collective” | Next News Network (N3)

…

G. Edward Griffin

Glenn Beck Sponsored By Gold Merchant Promoting 9-11 Truther’s Anti-Fed Book

Griffin, in addition to spinning conspiracy theories about the Fed, is also a 9-11 truther and has written extensively about the U.S. government’s “facilitation” of the attacks. In April 2008, Griffin appeared on the radio program of conspiracist Alex Jones and claimed that he predicted just days after 9-11 that “the FBI and the intelligence agencies of the federal government had advance knowledge of this attack but did nothing to stop it,” and that he was proven right. He also is — or, at least, was — a member of the ultra-right wing John Birch Society. He wrote a 1970 pamphlet entitled “This is the John Birch Society: An Invitation to Join,” and a 1975 book entitled The Life and Words of Robert Welch: Founder of the John Birch Society.

76 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:07:19pm
77 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:07:34pm

re: #74 Sol Berdinowitz

… and an outstretched arm.

/wait, sorry, right country, wrong outcome (for Egyptians) - בְּיָ֣ד חֲ֭זָקָה וּבִזְר֣וֹעַ נְטוּיָ֑ה כִּ֖י לְעוֹלָ֣ם חַסְדּֽוֹ

78 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:07:38pm

re: #54 HAL2010

Things just got a tad more serious.

Interesting. I was wondering why we see so many green lasers at these protests. I think they use them to fuck up the vision of people who might be looking out the windows.

79 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:08:14pm

re: #73 Gus

History… Interview with G. Edward Griffin “The Individual vs. The Collective” | Next News Network (N3)

…

G. Edward Griffin

Griffin wrote a book about Jekyll Island. Went into the Bilderburgers and everything. And he’s an activist. Check out his fellow travelers.

jekyllislandproject.com

80 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:09:28pm

re: #15 jaunte

Not just that, they seem to be mostly commemorating George Pickett’s confederate charge against Meade’s Union troops.

20,00 is about the right number, though the Union troops manning the point that was attacked were reinforced. When one of his division COs said he could move a brigade to take the (then likely, but not made yet) Confederate breech in the Union line in the flank, MG Winfield Scott Hancock ordered him to get them there “pretty goddamn quick”.

The reinforcements did indeed arrive as fast as their commander had promised and were instrumental in driving the Rebels out of their breech.

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:09:29pm

re: #77 lawhawk

… and an outstretched arm.

/wait, sorry, right country, wrong outcome (for Egyptians) - בְּיָ֣ד חֲ֭זָקָה וּבִזְר֣וֹעַ נְטוּיָ֑ה כִּ֖י לְעוֹלָ֣ם חַסְדּֽוֹ

and a baby’s arm holding an apple…

82 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:09:29pm

“he knows the needle of dizzyness!”

been studying my spanish idioms…

83 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:10:14pm


Decent summary of events.

84 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:10:27pm

From Pakistan, this doesn’t look authentic.

85 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:10:44pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

A possibility no doubt.

86 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:11:01pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

20,00 is about the right number, though the Union troops manning the point that was attacked were reinforced. When one of his division COs said he could move a brigade to take the (then likely, but not made yet) Confederate breech in the Union line in the flank, MG Winfield Scott Hancock ordered him to get them there “pretty goddamn quick”.

The reinforcements did indeed arrive as fast as their commander had promised and were instrumental in driving the Rebels out of their breech.

It was a crap shoot, but Lee knew it was the only option left to him at the time.

87 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:11:15pm
88 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:12:24pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, that’s a fairly standard depiction of BrigGen Armistead’s penetration of the Union line on the battle’s third day.

To be fair, the Confederates played a rather major role in that particular encounter…

89 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:13:59pm
90 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:14:15pm

re: #88 Sol Berdinowitz

To be fair, the Confederates played a rather major role in that particular encounter…

To be fair, everyone should only take one cookie.

91 jaunte  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:16:09pm

re: #90 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

To be fair, we should discuss only ideas, not things or people.

92 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:16:56pm

General Pickett, when asked why the South lost at Gettysburg, replied “…I think the yankees had something to do with it”!

93 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:17:19pm

re: #33 freetoken

Aha! Proof he was born in the People’s Socialist Republic of Kenyastan!

94 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:17:58pm
23:00 Al-Gamaa Al-Islamiya’s Building and Development Party have released a statement claiming that the protester killed in Beni Suef earlier was a member of their group.


Atef Marzouk, a leading member of the Islamist group in Beni Suef, accused opponents of President Mohamed Morsi of initiating the attack by firing birdshot at a pro-Morsi march.

“We defended ourselves until one of was martyred,” said Marzouk.

95 Kid Hail Satan  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:18:30pm
96 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:20:00pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

“We defended ourselves until one of was martyred,” said Marzouk.

We have martyrs. Clusterf*ck to follow…

97 Kid Hail Satan  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:20:19pm

This just in: Dick Morris predicts the Confederacy will win the Battle of Gettysburg reenactment in a landslide.

98 jaunte  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:20:35pm
99 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:20:39pm

And because there aren’t enough problems in the world.

100 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:21:15pm

re: #86 Sol Berdinowitz

It was a crap shoot, but Lee knew it was the only option left to him at the time.

Not sure about that. He could have tried to move his army and get between the Army of the Potomac and Washington DC. But much of the problem with that was is described below:

This was part of Longstreet’s grand vision for the Pennsylvania invasion. Indeed, Longstreet had proposed that, once in Pennsylvania, Lee should maneuver his army in order to find and occupy a strong defensive position that would require Meade to attack Lee. But this was never a serious option. While Lee knew northern Virginia like the back of his hand, he was unfamiliar with the military geography of Pennsylvania. He had to avoid cutting himself off from the Cumberland Valley, which constituted his only line of communication and supply back to Virginia.

The preceding paragraph is part of an article in National Review by Mackubin Thomas Owens. The full article, which is balanced and a good beginning account of the battle, can be found here.

101 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:21:55pm

The World’s Only Reliable Newspaper, as it billed itself, was years ahead of Breitbart in pursuing this new perspective on the Civil War.

102 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:22:25pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Considering how these mouth-breathing reprobates act, I think there is a bit more to the story.

Or, the whole story is made up. One or the other.

103 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:23:15pm

re: #97 Kid A

This just in: Dick Morris predicts the Confederacy will win the Battle of Gettysburg reenactment in a landslide.

I look forward to seeing the unskewed results.

104 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:24:03pm

re: #99 HAL2010

This is actually a good thing. To cause a War amongst the enemy, when they are that loathsome, is a good break for us and Afghanistan.

Bad for Pakistan, but oh-fucking-well.

105 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:24:40pm
106 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:26:24pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

Not sure about that. He could have tried to move his army and get between the Army of the Potomac and Washington DC. But much of the problem with that was is described below:

The preceding paragraph is part of an article in National Review by Mackubin Thomas Owens. The full article, which is balanced and a good beginning account of the battle, can be found here.

They were running low on everything and could not maintain themselves on Union soil much longer. To simply withdraw would have been to concede defeat,. The only option was to stake it all on one big Napoleonic charge supported by a massive artillery barrage.

But those charges had been rendered obsolete by rifled musketry.

Lee also sent his cavalry around the flank to disrupt the union from sending reinforcements, but that move was countered by a young General George Armstrong Custer…

107 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:27:18pm

re: #104 ProTARDISLiberal

This is actually a good thing. To cause a War amongst the enemy, when they are that loathsome, is a good break for us and Afghanistan.

Bad for Pakistan, but oh-fucking-well.

Bad for Pakistan = most likely serious problems for US and allies. The TTP controlled or contested almost 11 % of Pakistan in 2009. For a country with nukes, oh-fucking-well should be replaced with oh-fucking-shit.

108 freetoken  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:27:46pm

re: #105 HAL2010

Obviously the BBC has never been to one of Hoft’s Tea Party rallies.

109 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:28:24pm

re: #107 HAL2010

Bad for Pakistan = most likely serious problems for US and allies. The TTP controlled or contested almost 11 % of Pakistan in 2009. For a country with nukes, oh-fucking-well should be replaced with oh-fucking-shit.

PLL has argued that the risks run would be worth it to be rid of the bad actor that is Pakistan.

110 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:28:40pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

I’ve never heard a very convincing explanation of the objective of moving a Confederate army into Pennsylvania.

111 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:29:08pm

re: #106 Sol Berdinowitz

Done, thank you!

112 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:30:05pm


113 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:30:19pm

re: #105 HAL2010

What about the Iraq War protests?

Anyway, the religious extremists always overreach their grasp.

114 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:31:17pm

re: #110 SteveMcGazi

I’ve never heard a very convincing explanation of the objective of moving a Confederate army into Pennsylvania.

The objective was to bring the Army of the Potomac to battle on Northern soil and there inflict a shattering defeat upon it. Lee believed that this would force the Union to concede Southern independence.

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:32:46pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

They were in Pennsylvania. Please edit your post.

all those Northern states look the same…

116 Bulworth  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:33:04pm

Oh c’mon. Do they have to ruin this holiday and 150th anniversary? I give up.

117 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:33:29pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

PLL has argued that the risks run would be worth it to be rid of the bad actor that is Pakistan.

PLL?
And their nukes?
Kashmir?
The issues with India?

Pakistan is pretty messed up at the moment, but I needs constructive support in the civil sector in particular. Leaving it to its own devises, or worse, working against Pakistan, would not be beneficial for anyone.

118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:33:36pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

They were in Pennsylvania. Please edit your post.

Gen. Meade had planned to fight the battle in Maryland. Sol is correct.

119 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:35:30pm


120 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:35:33pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

The objective was to bring the Army of the Potomac to battle on Northern soil and there inflict a shattering defeat upon it. Lee believed that this would force the Union to concede Southern independence.

That’s it? Sounds like a desperation move to me. By that I mean that the Confederate leaders felt that a prolonged war was not winnable. (That may be obvious to history students) But it seems to me like it was a Hail Mary Let’s cross our fingers kind of move.

121 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:35:57pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

The objective was to bring the Army of the Potomac to battle on Northern soil and there inflict a shattering defeat upon it. Lee believed that this would force the Union to concede Southern independence.

i’ve read that planning the One Big Battle that will result in a decisive win is always a sign of desperation

122 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:36:27pm
A fight in a Pennsylvania crossroads town called Gettysburg wasn’t in his plans for July 1, 1863. Nor was the Confederate commander, Robert E. Lee, looking for a fight that day and in that place. But the chance encounter of a Confederate unit in search of supples and Union cavalry on patrol foiled Meade’s plans to set a trap for Lee in Carroll County.

Read more: baltimoresun.com

123 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:36:31pm

re: #121 engineer cat

HAH! Beat you to the keyboard:)

124 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:37:35pm


Quite the turnout.

125 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:38:18pm

Even so, the Confederates came pretty damn close to rolling up the Union flank on Little Round Top. The Union got lucky J.E.B. Stuart was out jerking around with his cavalry when the battle struck.

126 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:40:11pm

re: #120 SteveMcGazi

That’s it? Sounds like a desperation move to me. By that I mean that the Confederate leaders felt that a prolonged war was not winnable. (That may be obvious to history students) But it seems to me like it was a Hail Mary Let’s cross our fingers kind of move.

In Civil War times such maneuvers were called “forlorn hopes”

127 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:41:16pm

re: #121 engineer cat

i’ve read that planning the One Big Battle that will result in a decisive win is always a sign of desperation

Long is the list of leaders through history whose war plans revolved around one major battle that would shift the tide of war and so utterly crush the enemy’s morale that capitulation would soon follow. Off the top of my head, Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto often spoke of a belief that if he could meet the US Navy in one decisive battle, he could wipe them out as a factor in the Pacific. He was right in a way, it would be one decisive battle that would shift the balance of power, but the battle was Midway and the shift was losing his 4 largest carriers.

128 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:43:54pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

Long is the list of leaders through history whose war plans revolved around one major battle that would shift the tide of war and so utterly crush the enemy’s morale that capitulation would soon follow. Off the top of my head, Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto often spoke of a belief that if he could meet the US Navy in one decisive battle, he could wipe them out as a factor in the Pacific. He was right in a way, it would be one decisive battle that would shift the balance of power, but the battle was Midway and the shift was losing his 4 largest carriers.

Battles like that were once possible, Austerlitz for Napoleon being the prime example. But the days of limited warfare and massed frontal assaults was already over by the time of industrialized warfare and modern weapons.

129 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:44:37pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

Long is the list of leaders through history whose war plans revolved around one major battle that would shift the tide of war and so utterly crush the enemy’s morale that capitulation would soon follow. Off the top of my head, Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto often spoke of a belief that if he could meet the US Navy in one decisive battle, he could wipe them out as a factor in the Pacific. He was right in a way, it would be one decisive battle that would shift the balance of power, but the battle was Midway and the shift was losing his 4 largest carriers.

Battle of the Bulge 1944. Hitler’s last gamble, as it’s often been called.

130 Beauzeaux  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:45:24pm

Hell, anyone and everyone who goes to Africa is being welcomed home.

131 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:45:43pm

Any books to recommend on the American civil war?
Assume that I’ve got very limited knowledge.

132 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:46:18pm

re: #128 Sol Berdinowitz

The Battle of Warsaw in 1920 might be the last time something like a national redoubt was pulled off…

133 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:46:37pm

re: #123 SteveMcGazi

HAH! Beat you to the keyboard:)

24 seconds!!! not fair!!!!

134 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:46:45pm

re: #120 SteveMcGazi

That’s it? Sounds like a desperation move to me. By that I mean that the Confederate leaders felt that a prolonged war was not winnable. (That may be obvious to history students) But it seems to me like it was a Hail Mary Let’s cross our fingers kind of move.

Gen. Lee was aware that the Army of Northern Virginia could not the war sitting on the defensive: Given the disparity of force, the North would ultimately grind the South down. To win the South would have to attack and Lee wanted to command that attack.*


*: LTG Longstreet had alternately proposed deploying his own corps to Tennessee, as well as the two divisions commanded by Joe Johnston, uniting these commands with Braxton Bragg’s Army of Tennessee under Johnston’s command and then hurling the combined force against the Union Army of the Cumberland. Longstreet theorized that the destruction of the Army of the Cumberland would force U.S. Grant to withdraw from Vicksburg.

135 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:46:58pm

re: #129 Dr Lizardo

Battle of the Bulge 1944. Hitler’s last gamble, as it’s often been called.

The Bulge was certainly an attempt, but by then the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe were so beaten down that it was more a last gasp. I’d say more like Operation Barbarossa, which he felt would be so swift and brutal that it would leave the Soviets with little choice but to capitulate just to avoid annihilation.

136 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:47:30pm

re: #129 Dr Lizardo

Battle of the Bulge 1944. Hitler’s last gamble, as it’s often been called.

It worked in May 1940, but back then Hitler had air superiority to disrupt the enemy’s countermoves and nearly 16 hours of daylight every day to advance (Panzers cannot fight at night).

In Belgium in the winter there are barely 8 hours of daylight and Hitler could only count on attacking because the weather had grounded the allied aircraft

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:48:05pm

re: #131 HAL2010

Any books to recommend on the American civil war?
Assume that I’ve got very limited knowledge.

Ken Burns. There’s a multi-part video series. I also have the companion book.

138 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:48:07pm

re: #130 Beauzeaux

Hell, anyone and everyone who goes to Africa is being welcomed home.

First I thought you were trolling.
Then I actually got it. Sorry for the temporary down vote. I feel rather sluggish today.

139 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:48:15pm

I remember a neighbor of mine was really excited when I told him I was visiting Egypt a few years ago. He gave me all kinds of State Dept. stuff and suggestions about things to do and see. Problem for him was, as he put it, “I can’t go back” and neither could his wife and kids(!) Boy, I’ll bet there’s some story there.

140 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:48:37pm

re: #133 engineer cat

24 seconds!!! not fair!!!!

I was using Chrome.

141 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:48:45pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s the title?

142 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:49:43pm

re: #131 HAL2010

Any books to recommend on the American civil war?
Assume that I’ve got very limited knowledge.

If you are a map freak like me, you might enjoy this one: Atlas of the Civil War

143 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:49:56pm

re: #136 Sol Berdinowitz

It worked in May 1940, but back then Hitler had air superiority to disrupt the enemy’s countermoves and nearly 16 hours of daylight every day to advance (Panzers cannot fight at night).

In Belgium in the winter there are barely 8 hours of daylight and Hitler could only count on attacking because the weather had grounded the allied aircraft

Not that the Reich wasn’t hard at work overcoming that problem by pressing into service various forms of night-fighting equipment, including early IR floodlights and low-light optical gear.

144 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:50:11pm

re: #136 Sol Berdinowitz

As I remember it the Germans were expected to capture the gas they needed on the route to Antwerp.

145 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:50:33pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Interestingly, Johnston and Longstreet returned to national prominence later on. Longstreet even became a Republican.

146 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:50:52pm

re: #117 HAL2010

Pakistan has used the Taliban as a puppet for their machinations for the better part of 2 decades. Look up the Airlift of Evil for an example.

I’m not even talking about collapsing Pakistan, just rendering the little puppet unusable.

147 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:50:53pm

re: #142 Sol Berdinowitz

I’ll check it out, thanks!
And yes, maps are awesome.

148 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:51:25pm


This could be a huge deal.

149 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:52:00pm

re: #132 dragonath

The Battle of Warsaw in 1920 might be the last time something like a national redoubt was pulled off.

But even then the Polish victory owed much to Poland’s gaining access to British Mark Vs and French FT-17s, then using these to crush the Bolshevik West Front. Despite their greater numbers, the Red Army’s men had no effective anti-tank weapons and readily succumbed to ‘tank panic’.

Also important was Poland’s use of armored cars and truck-borne infantry to get between the two Red ‘Fronts’ and hit West Front in the flank. In doing so, the Poles gave a lesson in how maneuver would be restored to the battlefield.

150 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:54:15pm

re: #146 ProTARDISLiberal

Pakistan has used the Taliban as a puppet for their machinations for the better part of 2 decades. Look up the Airlift of Evil for an example.

I’m not even talking about collapsing Pakistan, just rendering the little puppet unusable.

Elements within he ISI, and the military establishment. Very few people vote for Islamist parties in Pakistani elections. Unusable for whom?
The country has 160 million citizens.

151 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:54:18pm

I like how the first google image result shows this guy as Ahmed Gamal

Image: 4cdfadbe9d51353ab2c3d6e4653cf98e.jpeg

152 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:55:30pm

re: #150 HAL2010

Unusable to the elements within the government that use the Taliban as a puppet. Namely, parts of the ISI and the Military.

153 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:55:39pm
154 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:56:27pm

re: #135 Targetpractice

re: #136 Sol Berdinowitz

Very true. Far too little, far too late; if I remember, Hitler’s hope was that it compel the Allies to ask for a separate peace which he could then use to redeploy the German military to continue on the Eastern Front against the Soviets.

155 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:56:49pm

re: #152 ProTARDISLiberal

And the best way to do so is to engage with the civic Pakistan, not to disengage from the country imo.

156 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:57:22pm

re: #151 dragonath

I like how the first google image result shows this guy as Ahmed Gamal

Image: 4cdfadbe9d51353ab2c3d6e4653cf98e.jpeg

Wilmer Valderrama is the new Minister of Interior?

157 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:58:04pm
158 austin_blue  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:58:19pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

(Lee) “General, where is your division?”
(Pickett) “Dead on the field, sir!”

Apocrypha, but damn good apocrypha.

159 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 2:58:56pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

Not that the Reich wasn’t hard at work overcoming that problem by pressing into service various forms of night-fighting equipment, including early IR floodlights and low-light optical gear.

Indeed, A number of Mark V Panther Gs mounted IR gear, being called Uhus (German for ‘Owl’). But those Panthers were still not able to conduct decisive operations due to difficulties in providing them with infantry support as well as their own mechanical unreliability. Those cases where the Uhus were used at night they were mostly used to bombard American positions.

160 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:00:52pm

re: #131 HAL2010

Any books to recommend on the American civil war?
Assume that I’ve got very limited knowledge.

Battle Cry of Freedom

161 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:01:25pm

re: #158 austin_blue

(Lee) “General, where is your division?”
(Pickett) “Dead on the field, sir!”

Apocrypha, but damn good apocrypha.

I prefer “General Lee, I have no division!”

Both are correct as Pickett’s division had been destroyed as a fighting force.

162 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:01:43pm

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

Bookmarked, thanks!

163 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:01:56pm

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

re: #136 Sol Berdinowitz

Very true. Far too little, far too late; if I remember, Hitler’s hope was that it compel the Allies to ask for a separate peace which he could then use to redeploy the German military to continue on the Eastern Front against the Soviets.

Not that he didn’t have some supporters in the West. As I remember it, both Patton and Churchill advocated the idea of turning the Wehrmacht around, rearming and resupplying them, then throwing them headlong at the Soviets.

164 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:01:59pm
165 dragonath  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:03:05pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

Not that he didn’t have some supporters in the West. As I remember it, both Patton and Churchill advocated the idea of turning the Wehrmacht around, rearming and resupplying them, then throwing them headlong at the Soviets.

Sounds like something Pat Buchanan would love.

166 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:03:41pm

And now, I’m watching the confederations Cup final. Brazil is one up after two minutes!

If interested, please add me on twitter, @franzen86

Good night lizards!

167 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:04:34pm

re: #131 HAL2010

Any books to recommend on the American civil war?
Assume that I’ve got very limited knowledge.

None Died in Vain.

168 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:07:00pm

Wow, there’s a lot of traffic coming from that freaky Steve Quayle website. Kind of creepy to think about that many people buying into this crackpot shit.

169 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:08:01pm

BBL

170 Gus  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:08:58pm
171 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:09:13pm

re: #141 HAL2010

What’s the title?

here it is at ebay.

The Civil War: An Illustrated History

172 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:09:47pm

I wrote a research paper about the myth of appeasement, but one of the striking things I found was that the biggest mistake of the interwar period was disarming Germany. Germany would up with 100,000 of its best officers with nothing but time on their hands and create new weapons. Time to fester in rage, time to plan. In fact, Germany’s rearmament started before Hitler came to power.

173 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:12:48pm
174 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:12:48pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Wow, there’s a lot of traffic coming from that freaky Steve Quayle website. Kind of creepy to think about that many people buying into this crackpot shit.

Behold the power of shortwave radio.

/

175 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:16:12pm

Texas could use a few Egypt-sized protests of its own:

176 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:17:30pm
24:00 The president’s spokesman has just denied that Hatem Bagato, minister of legal and parliamentary affairs, will submit his resignation, as was reported by Ahram Arabic earlier this evening.
177 HAL2010  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:21:39pm
178 jaunte  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:23:41pm

re: #175 Interesting Times

IDs must be acquired at a Texas DMV. 70 counties in Texas don’t have DMVs.

Seems like a poll tax, doesn’t it.

179 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:24:12pm

re: #172 SteveMcGazi

I wrote a research paper about the myth of appeasement, but one of the striking things I found was that the biggest mistake of the interwar period was disarming Germany. Germany would up with 100,000 of its best officers with nothing but time on their hands and create new weapons. Time to fester in rage, time to plan. In fact, Germany’s rearmament started before Hitler came to power.

The Germans used a variety of subterfuges to get around various Versailles Treaty restrictions, especially those on military aviation. At one point, the Weimar government had a secret aviation training and development center in the Soviet Union, courtesy of a deal with Stalin. There was a similar school for armored warfare, since Germany was also not allowed to have tanks.

180 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:28:39pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

As a hybrid southerner/Yankee I know exactly what you’re talking about.

181 b.d.  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:29:35pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Link

However, it wasn’t long before many were claiming that this cock up undermined all of the Guardian’s reporting on the Snowden issue. To me, that would be like assuming that News of the World’s hacking undermined the Wall Street Journal’s financial reporting, just because they have the same owner. In a long a protracted twitter exchange with Charles Johnson at Green Footballs (beginning somewhere round here) I noticed the claim had gone from ‘Observer screws up’ to “Guardian repeatedly used Madsen as a source.”

Looks like you got Peter Jukes to write a post about your Twitter exchange and meanie attitude towards The Guardian.

182 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:30:07pm

re: #131 HAL2010

Any books to recommend on the American civil war?
Assume that I’ve got very limited knowledge.

Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era by James M. McPherson is far and away the best single volume history.

183 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:43:47pm

re: #175 Interesting Times

Texas could use a few Egypt-sized protests of its own:

RT @bobcesca_go: Texas now requires a Voter ID to cast a ballot. IDs must be acquired at a Texas DMV. 70 counties in Texas don’t have DMVs.

I was a little too young for the first Freedom Rides. I swear I won’t be too old for the last.

184 austin_blue  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:45:32pm

re: #131 HAL2010

Any books to recommend on the American civil war?
Assume that I’ve got very limited knowledge.

Lincoln and His Generals

185 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:49:36pm

re: #131 HAL2010

Any books to recommend on the American civil war?
Assume that I’ve got very limited knowledge.

The best/most problematic:
Douglas Southall Freeman’s 4-volume life of Lee. (It has recently been cut down to 1 volume.) It is about everything you need to know about the war in the East, BUT it is also the bible of Lee-olatry. When I read it, for the Centennial, it was considered the greatest biography written by an American.

186 subterraneanhomesickalien  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 3:56:23pm

Are they all going to gather around at the end of the celebration and have a collective sadz that General Lee didn’t win it?

187 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:00:33pm

re: #186 subterraneanhomesickalien

Are they all going to gather around at the end of the celebration and have a collective sadz that General Lee didn’t win it?

Got a link for that?

188 subterraneanhomesickalien  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:12:02pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

No.

I wasn’t aware that I needed one.

Did I make a mistake in my analysis that General Lee did in fact not win the Battle of Gettysburg?

189 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:13:20pm

re: #188 subterraneanhomesickalien

No.

I wasn’t aware that I needed one.

Did I make a mistake in my analysis that General Lee did in fact not win the Battle of Gettysburg?

Yanking your chain—should have used Wingnut font.

190 subterraneanhomesickalien  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 4:20:33pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

Understood.

I must have turned my sarc sense off unknowingly.

191 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 7:29:22pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

I got it. And laughed my ass off!

192 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Jun 30, 2013 10:40:22pm

Charles Johnson

I’m kind of surprised by this actually. Isn’t Breitbart one of those sites obsessed with attacking and demonizing Muslims? 9/11 “truth” maybe about as ridiculous as any of the anti Muslim conspiracy theories they promote, but promoting the equally baseless idea that it was the US government and not Al Qaeda that carried out 9/11, wouldn’t that harm that cause? I would imagine that’s one of the reasons people like Spencer and Geller don’t do much to promote it, not because it doesn’t have any bases in reality of course.


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