Breaking: Did Edward Snowden Try to Sneak Out of Russia on the Bolivian President’s Plane?

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Charlie Kaye of CBS News just tweeted a few minutes ago:

UPDATE at 7/2/13 5:43:23 pm

AFP is now reporting that there’s no Snowden in Vienna: AFP: Bolivia Leader in Vienna, but Not Snowden: Austria.

VIENNA — Bolivian President Evo Morales is at Vienna airport, but fugitive US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden is not on board his plane, an Austrian foreign ministry official confirmed early Wednesday.

“President Morales will leave early Wednesday morning for La Paz,” the Bolivian capital, ministry spokesman Alexander Schallenberg told AFP. Austria did not know why Morales’s plane had landed there, he added.

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246 comments
1 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:31:31pm

Nothing about this makes sense. Why wouldn’t Bolivia be allowed to transport Snowden on their own plane? What does anybody gain by not allowing him to land in France or Portugal?

2 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:32:08pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

Austria’s one of those countries that requires asylum requests to be made in person on sovereign soil. Wonder if that’s Snowden’s plan, either get to Bolivia or have the plane brought down in a country that he can immediately beg for asylum in.

I doubt he thought that far ahead, to be honest. His whole plan has really come off as half-baked.

3 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:32:44pm


We will find out soon enough.

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:33:02pm
5 dragonath  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:33:02pm

How did he get on a plane? Dress like a dog?

6 thecommodore  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:33:34pm

re: #2 thedopefishlives

His whole plan has really come off as half-baked.

This whole tale is starting to look like a Luke Spencer storyline.

7 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:33:58pm

Wolf Blitzer just mentioned this on CNN.

8 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:35:12pm

re: #2 thedopefishlives

I think it’s going a bit too far to call it a “plan.”

9 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:35:25pm

re: #5 dragonath

How did he get on a plane? Dress like a dog?

In the luggage silly!

Youtube Video

10 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:35:33pm
11 Lidane  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:37:13pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

12 twisty  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:37:20pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Worldwide game of hot potato. Sure is funny to watch all the polite diplomatic refusals to even touch this dude.

13 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:37:38pm

No clarity about whether any of it actually happened until someone other than Bolivia makes a comment, IMO.

14 Lidane  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:37:39pm

re: #5 dragonath

How did he get on a plane? Dress like a dog?

15 Mattand  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:37:43pm

Given the master mind that Snowden is turning out to be, he probably tried sneak on board wearing Groucho glasses and said his name was “Shmeric Shmoden”.

16 dragonath  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:37:46pm

re: #9 NJDhockeyfan

In the luggage silly!

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I assume that is carry on, lol.

17 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:37:51pm
18 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:37:53pm
19 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:37:59pm

re: #11 Lidane

While true, nobody particularly wants him, either.

20 Mattand  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:39:18pm

re: #11 Lidane

Let us remember, there is no international warrant for Edward Snowden’s arrest. France, Spain and Portugal must be seen in this context.

Let us also remember that Snowden is starting to make Maxwell Smart* look like James Bond.

*Anyone under 30, go look it up on Wikipedia.

21 dragonath  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:39:27pm

Just heard that something like 65% of the population in Egypt is young people.

22 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:40:11pm

re: #20 Mattand

Let us also remember that Snowden is starting to make Maxwell Smart* look like James Bond.

*Anyone under 30, go look it up on Wikipedia.

Hey, I take offense to that. I saw the Steve Carell movie.

23 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:40:14pm

re: #20 Mattand

I know what you speak of. I watched the movie that came out, so I understand what you mean by that.

24 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:40:15pm
25 Mattand  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:40:44pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

Hey, I take offense to that. I saw the Steve Carell movie.

Sorry about that, Chief!

26 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:41:32pm

re: #25 Mattand

Sorry about that, Chief!

Ha, guess I should’ve added the sarc tags. It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek humor. The original is definitely before my time.

27 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:42:15pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Wolf Blitzer just mentioned this on CNN.

CONFIRMED. FACT. THE SUSPECT IS IN CUSTODY.
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28 Mattand  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:42:22pm

re: #20 Mattand

re: #22 thedopefishlives

LOL, I’m just waiting for someone to say, “Oh, there was a TV show called ‘Get Smart’?”

I’m old…

29 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:42:26pm
30 Lidane  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:44:25pm
31 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:45:12pm

re: #30 Lidane

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Oh yeah, Hugo would have jumped at the opportunity.

32 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:45:21pm

So, Snowden’s saga is turning into an acid-tripping version of Tom Clancy’s Cardinal of the Kremlin - complete with airport shenanigans, spies, and intrigue at a Moscow airport.

33 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:45:28pm
34 Kragar  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:45:37pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

CONFIRMED. FACT. THE SUSPECT IS IN CUSTODY.
//

Snowden is believed to be a brown skinned male.
/

35 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:46:20pm

Tweet of the day:

36 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:46:40pm

They probably got sick of his pompous ass before they reached Belarus and turned themselves in.

37 Timothy Watson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:47:19pm

re: #32 lawhawk

Hopefully there’s no Afghani mujaheddin involved this time around.

38 dragonath  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:47:54pm

Clearly Snowden is legitimate.

39 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:48:49pm

Would the Bolivian president’s jet count as a civil or a military plane? The treaty on civil aviation doesn’t allow a nation to refuse civil access to its airspace.

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:49:09pm

So what happens if Snowden is on the plane. I doubt it’ll be allowed to continue with him aboard, but will Austria allow him to exit without a valid passport?

41 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:49:33pm

re: #34 Kragar

Snowden is believed to be a brown skinned male.
/

We are investigating what kind of accent he has.
/

42 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:50:32pm

We’ll never be able to find him there if he puts on a bowler.

43 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:51:12pm

re: #39 neilk

Would the Bolivian president’s jet count as a civil or a military plane? The treaty on civil aviation doesn’t allow a nation to refuse civil access to its airspace.

But it does allow any nation to require a transiting flight to make a landing. Read Article 5.

44 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:51:50pm

Infamy!

45 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:51:59pm

Why this is bigger than WWII!

46 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:52:10pm

I hope everyone learns a very valuable lesson from all of this.

Don’t ever stiff the Moscow airport transit hotel.

47 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:52:43pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

So what happens if Snowden is on the plane. I doubt it’ll be allowed to continue with him aboard, but will Austria allow him to exit without a valid passport?

I seriously doubt it. Australia is a very reliable us ally.

48 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:52:46pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Yes. But they didn’t allow the flight to enter _or_ make a landing. But I think that it’s a Bolivian Air Force plane and thus not subject to the civil aviation treaty…

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:52:57pm

re: #34 Kragar

Snowden is believed to be a brown skinned male.
/

and speaks with an accent….

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50 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:53:16pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

And Article 16 allows a state to search any plane that lands or departs.

51 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:53:34pm

Meanwhile, the Obama Administration announced they’ve delayed the employer mandate provision by a year (to 2015). GOPers react with their typical response to all things Obamacare - repeal!

But first, Greg Sargent (and my responses):



And here’s Cantor’s tweet to which I refer:

52 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:53:43pm
53 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:53:47pm
54 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:53:58pm

Question Isn’t the plane of Bolivia’s President considered sovereign territory? Just as Air Force One is? If so, how the hell do they think they can search it for Snowden or refuse to let it leave?

55 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:54:30pm

Oh noes, France, Portugal and Spain. I don’t think Wikileaks likes you now.

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:54:42pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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gawd, they have turned into such a bunch whiners…

57 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:54:47pm

re: #20 Mattand

Let us also remember that Snowden is starting to make Maxwell Smart* look like James Bond.

*Anyone under 30, go look it up on Wikipedia.

Actually I think Snowden is clearly more Austin Millbarge at this point.

[ / spy movie hipster ]

58 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:54:49pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Exactly what did they do that was so heinous as to award them infamy?

59 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:55:18pm

re: #54 Bubblehead II

this could be why they didn’t want to let the plane land. They didn’t want to offend the US by letting Snowden touch and go, but they didn’t want to offend Bolivia by boarding its plane.

60 dragonath  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:55:48pm

Interesting

Though Google Translate:

Cabinet announces his refusal to Dr. Morsi’s speech and pushed the country into civil war and announce the bias to the will of the people

Hacked, or… (heh…) legitimate?

61 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:55:49pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Oh noes, France, Portugal and Spain. I don’t think Wikileaks likes you now.

What a weird cult.

62 makeitstop  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:56:43pm

re: #47 Killgore Trout

I seriously doubt it. Australia is a very reliable us ally.

Not Australia. Austria.

63 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:57:39pm

re: #59 neilk

this could be why they didn’t want to let the plane land. They didn’t want to offend the US by letting Snowden touch and go, but they didn’t want to offend Bolivia by boarding its plane.

But the refusal to let it pass through their airspace is in and of itself a political insult. Though a lesser one.

64 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:58:50pm

re: #63 Bubblehead II

But the refusal to let it pass through their airspace is in and itself a political insult. Though a lesser one.

Political insult versus pissing off the US. I think they’d rather take the insult.

65 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 3:59:01pm
66 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:00:02pm

Wikileaks is the best bridge burning organization currently on the planet.

67 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:00:21pm

re: #48 neilk

Yes. But they didn’t allow the flight to enter _or_ make a landing. But I think that it’s a Bolivian Air Force plane and thus not subject to the civil aviation treaty…

No, they are subject to the treaty. However state aircraft simply traveling through another nation’s airspace are in no way exempt from being made to land and be searched, no aircraft is. The only thing special about state aircraft is that they can’t be denied entry into said airspace and can land without prior clearance.

68 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:00:48pm
69 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:01:07pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

Political insult versus pissing off the US. I think they’d rather take the insult.

Makes Putin look pretty inept too.

70 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:01:18pm

re: #63 Bubblehead II

But the refusal to let it pass through their airspace is in and itself a political insult. Though a lesser one.

Austria checks the plane, the avionics mechanic changes a good fuse, and everyone flies off, happy and a little bit lighter.

71 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:01:34pm
72 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:02:15pm

re: #69 b.d.

Makes Putin look pretty inept too.

Makes whoever he assigned to keep a watch on Snowden incompetent. You’d think if they knew he was still there, that it would have been announced by now.

73 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:02:42pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson


Okay, the hyperbole has convinced me that wikileaks wrote the Snowden statement released yesterday.

74 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:02:58pm
75 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:03:20pm
76 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:04:22pm
77 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:04:59pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

Political insult versus pissing off the US. I think they’d rather take the insult.

Or are refusing to set a precedent for the unlawfull search of a diplomatic aircraft to satisfy the U.S. Government.

78 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:05:13pm

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

So maybe they didn’t actually deny the plane access to their airspace, but they did make it contingent on landing, and they weren’t willing to do this?

79 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:05:55pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Austria checks the plane, the avionics mechanic changes a good fuse, and everyone flies off, happy and a little bit lighter.

Not going to happen.

80 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:06:03pm

re: #77 Bubblehead II

Or are refusing to set a precedent for the unlawfull search of a diplomatic aircraft to satisfy the U.S. Government.

Maybe they’re looking for the Superbowl ring.

81 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:07:13pm

I think I clipped Switzerland with the bottom of that fourth exclamation point. Oh well. They can live in infamy part-time.

Image: ZZ49C12E9A.jpg

82 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:07:17pm

re: #79 Bubblehead II

Not going to happen.

Do you want to chance predicting this comic opera?

83 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:07:54pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Maybe they’re looking for the Superbowl ring.

Nah. Putin has that thing sealed away in carbonite.

84 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:08:15pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

I think I clipped Switzerland with the bottom of that fourth exclamation point. Oh well. They can live in infamy part-time.

Image: ZZ49C12E9A.jpg

Some old coot on the line. Claims your dot crushed his grand-daughter’s goat.

85 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:08:50pm

re: #78 neilk

So maybe they didn’t actually deny the plane access to their airspace, but they did make it contingent on landing, and they weren’t willing to do this?

Correct. Each nation can make them land once and be searched as a prerequisite for continued transit.

86 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:09:47pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Everyone is still running with stories saying flatly that France and Portugal denied access to their airspace, though. Until we hear from someone other than Bolivia and Wikileaks, I think we have no idea what happened.

87 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:09:59pm

re: #83 Bubblehead II

Nah. Putin has that thing sealed away in carbonite.

He has altered the deal. Pray he does not alter it any further.

88 Lidane  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:11:23pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Shorter Wikileaks:

“This is totes like Pearl Harbor u guys!”

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89 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:11:39pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

INFAMY!!!!

90 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:11:40pm

re: #86 neilk

Everyone is still running with stories saying flatly that France and Portugal denied access to their airspace, though. Until we hear from someone other than Bolivia and Wikileaks, I think we have no idea what happened.

If the photo that was tweeted is the plane, it doesn’t look like Russia—Bolivia in one hop. Might need fuel somewhere like The Azores.

91 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:12:16pm

I’m not usually a cynic, but the whole thing is starting to look like a sloppy theater production designed to give the actors (somewhat) plausible deniability. Maybe Russia helped get him on the plane (if he was indeed on it) and the Bolivians never intended to take him all the way to Bolivia.

92 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:12:57pm

re: #90 Decatur Deb

If the photo that was tweeted is the plane, it doesn’t look like Russia—Bolivia in one hop. Might need fuel somewhere like The Azores.

That’s what apparently happened - they wanted to land to refuel and got rerouted to Vienna.

93 Kragar  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:13:02pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

He has altered the deal. Pray he does not alter it any further.

I guess you could say Snowden was…

Putin out to pasture

94 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:13:10pm
95 Lidane  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:13:24pm

Sorry for the OT, but this sums up the RWNJs perfectly:

instagram.com

96 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:13:29pm
97 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:13:34pm

This is Tora Bora all over again, don’t believe this feint!1!! Ground all aircraft!!1!

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98 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:14:05pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

Do you want to chance predicting this comic opera?

Why not. He isn’t on the plane, But on the off chance he is, what Nation is willing to allow another Government to inspect the plane that carries thier Head Of State before it leaves? I can say with the utmost certainty, not the U.S. Secret Service.

99 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:14:50pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

That’s what apparently happened - they wanted to land to refuel and got rerouted to Vienna.

Yeah, I checked. That Falcon can’t do a one way trip.

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:14:57pm

re: #95 Lidane

Sorry for the OT, but this sums up the RWNJs perfectly:

instagram.com

Poor guy…he looks just DEVASTATED about his abortion…

ETA: But, god willing, he can always try to get pregnant again…

101 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:15:23pm

re: #90 Decatur Deb

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Refusing to allow the plane to land to refuel is a whole other deal, and (I think) is not allowed by the civil aviation treaty.

102 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:16:22pm

re: #98 Bubblehead II

Why not. He isn’t on the plane, But on the off chance he is, what Nation is willing to allow another Government to inspect the plane that carries thier Head Of State before it leaves? I can say with the utmost certainty, not the U.S. Secret Service.

Do you see AF1 smuggling fugitives?

103 gunnison  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:16:27pm

It’s a president’s plane, right, so isn’t it under the diplomatic rules?
Do nations usually refuse refueling stops to diplomatic flights on “suspicions” of something?
I’m still not getting this.

104 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:17:30pm

re: #101 neilk

Refusing to allow the plane to land to refuel is a whole other deal, and (I think) is not allowed by the civil aviation treaty.

Depends on when they told them, for a guess.

105 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:17:38pm

re: #95 Lidane

Sorry for the OT, but this sums up the RWNJs perfectly:

instagram.com

Mansplaining to the max.

106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:18:23pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

Do you see AF1 smuggling fugitives?

Oblabla is using AF1 to sneak in members of his extended Kenyan family!!!11!! And children STILL can’t get their WH tours!!!11!!

107 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:18:57pm

There’s now some tweeting which suggests that our guess was right: they were permitted to land under the condition that the plane be searched, and they refused:

108 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:19:08pm

Why isn’t Snowden being open with his whereabouts? Doesn’t he believe in free and open information?

109 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:19:56pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

Chen Guangcheng didn’t get to fly on SoS Clinton’s plane, no matter how much he wanted it.

110 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:20:11pm

re: #107 neilk

There’s now some tweeting which suggests that our guess was right: they were permitted to land under the condition that the plane be searched, and they refused:

Ah ha. The plot thickens.

111 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:21:35pm

Sorry for the OT, but I used to think that the euphemism “baloney” was to replace BS, but it just occurred to me that it sound just like “blow me”.

112 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:21:48pm

re: #86 neilk

Everyone is still running with stories saying flatly that France and Portugal denied access to their airspace, though.

So what? It’s entirely characteristic of the media not to grasp or even try to grasp the actual nuance of the situation, or the actual wording of the treaty. What’s more likely, that the media is oversimplifying or that several nations decided to unilaterally violate their international obligation. You’re being overly credulous.

113 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:21:51pm

That information comes from this site:
facebook.com
…which actually says that France was not involved, but rather Portugal and then Spain.

114 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:21:53pm

Note to Self: When you flee, make sure the rescue airframe is capable of mid-air refueling.

115 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:22:07pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Ah ha. The plot thickens.

LaMalaPalabra @LaMalaPalabra

- Twitter de LaMalaPalabra, revista de sátira, ironía, cultura, cosas peores y humor políticamente incorrecto.

116 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:22:27pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

Do you see AF1 smuggling fugitives?

Makes for a good plot line, But you have to admit, IF we really needed to get someone out, wouldn’t it make sense to take them out on AF-1? Who would even think about fucking with it?

117 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:22:49pm

re: #115 Gus

LaMalaPalabra @LaMalaPalabra

- Twitter de LaMalaPalabra, revista de sátira, ironía, cultura, cosas peores y humor políticamente incorrecto.

El Cebolo

118 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:23:32pm

re: #116 Bubblehead II

Makes for a good plot line, But you have to admit, IF we really needed to get someone out, wouldn’t it make sense to take them out on AF-1? Who would even think about fucking with it?

AF1 doesn’t exactly come and go unnoticed, and technically, it’s only Air FOrce 1 when the big man’s on board.

119 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:23:35pm

I know nothing about La Mala Palabra, but there is a Chilean “satirical” newspaper (The Clinic) which does real reporting and interviews in addition to satire.

120 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:24:30pm
121 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:26:18pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Ah ha. The plot thickens.

Search a Diplomatic plane? What’s next? The Diplomatic car and bag?

How about we just plant bugs in their offices and wire-tap their land lines?

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122 Lidane  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:26:40pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

El Cebolo

La Cebolla. :)

123 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:26:52pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

Note to Self: When you flee, make sure the rescue airframe is capable of mid-air refueling.

And fly out of Vladivostok, detouring north of Japan.

124 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:28:05pm

re: #122 Lidane

La Cebolla. :)

Explains that horrible sopa.

125 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:28:44pm

Snowden Declared Fictional Character In Existential Spy Novel

fans devouring second book in series but can’t figure out why

126 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:29:16pm

re: #118 SteveMcGazi

AF1 doesn’t exactly come and go unnoticed, and technically, it’s only Air FOrce 1 when the big man’s on board.

Yeah, and the rest of the time, it’s just another plane sitting on the tarmack.

Try again.

127 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:31:23pm

re: #126 Bubblehead II

Yeah, and the rest of the time, it’s just another plane sitting on the tarmack.

Try again.

WTF?

128 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:31:44pm
129 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:33:24pm

re: #122 Lidane

La Cebolla. :)

Once took an inspection team to a remote Italian base where the local town didn’t have tourists or English-speakers. Ordering from the menu broke down into pantomime, highlighted when the waitress acted-out ‘anitra’, (duck).

130 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:34:19pm

Not good…


131 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:35:25pm
132 neilk  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:35:57pm

I would guess that Switzerland refused, too.

133 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:37:00pm

re: #132 neilk

I would guess that Switzerland refused, too.

Is there any way out?

134 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:37:06pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Once took an inspection team to a remote Italian base where the local town didn’t have tourists or English-speakers. Ordering from the menu broke down into pantomime, highlighted when the waitress acted-out ‘anitra’, (duck).

My favorite Italian waiter pantomime was rabbit. =:^)

135 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:37:09pm

re: #127 SteveMcGazi

AF-1, It it gaurded 24/7

littlegreenfootballs.com

Or did I just jig right while yo moved left?

136 Joanne  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:37:36pm

re: #11 Lidane

Let us remember, there is no international warrant for Edward Snowden’s arrest. France, Spain and Portugal must be seen in this context.

Know what? At an early point, I thought Wikileaks could do good things. But shortly thereafter, I was shown, over and over, that simply wasn’t the case. This seals their fate as being nothing short of assholes (privacy for me but not for thee…government, which is such raging hypocrisy, I literally LOL’d). I fear this Snowden affair will only muddy the waters regarding the Patriot Act.

Congrats asshole. Your hate for Obama served no purpose whatsoever.

137 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:39:12pm

re: #134 wrenchwench

My favorite Italian waiter pantomime was rabbit. =:^)

I ended up with sliced up hotdogs on a pizza rather than olives that way. :(

138 Gus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:39:51pm

If they’re in Austria why would they have to fly over Italy?re: #133 NJDhockeyfan

Is there any way out?

Slovenia, Croatia, then wiggle through the Mediterranean. //

139 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:40:53pm

Is this all still supposition still, or is there any real evidence that Snowden is actually aboard that jet?

140 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:41:37pm
Carol Morgan:These are the hand-outs the Pro-Lifers are passing out to those in the gallery. Circle the Capitol 7 times, 7 prayers, 7 times…lol LOL! Up next? dancing with snakes and faith healing.

Handout

141 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:41:43pm

re: #134 wrenchwench

My favorite Italian waiter pantomime was rabbit. =:^)

“Rabbit” (conigli) is hard in Italian. I broke up a dinner party trying to say “bunny-basher” and came out “ball-breaker” (rompo-coglione).

142 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:42:05pm
143 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:42:18pm

re: #136 Joanne

I swear, for all the trouble this little asshole and his pals have caused, they should have to pay back every fucking dime it’s cost to deal with their spoiled brat mess.

And, for like the 80th time til I’m blue in the face, the real story here IMO, is the outsourcing of government functions to private businesses beholden to nobody but the private equity firms that run them. It’s kind of hard to have “top secret” anything when a million or more people have those types of clearances. Not to mention the cost in dollars we could be spending on much more worthwhile things.

144 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:42:53pm

re: #139 Feline Fearless Leader

Is this all still supposition still, or is there any real evidence that Snowden is actually aboard that jet?

It’s been tweeted, it is fact.
/

145 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:43:02pm

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

MB is being really stupid right now. They are giving the military justification for acting, and farther afield, giving the King of Jordan and the Libyans reason to start restricting them.

146 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:43:32pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

It’s been tweeted, it is fact.
/

Tweeted? Hell, Wolf Blitzer reported it, it must be twoo./

147 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:43:44pm

He’s screwed.

148 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:43:55pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

As a former pagan type practitioner, that sounds suspiciously, well, pagan. ha.

149 Stoatly  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:43:58pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

INFAMY!!!!

Youtube Video

150 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:44:04pm

re: #139 Feline Fearless Leader

Is this all still supposition still, or is there any real evidence that Snowden is actually aboard that jet?

No one has confirmed it, AFAIK.

151 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:44:26pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

Tweeted? Hell, Wolf Blitzer reported it, it must be twoo./

Reminds me of Madeline Kahn. I miss her.

152 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:44:33pm

re: #142 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day. I’m betting Morsi’s removal and possible arrest will be largely ceremonial but anything can happen.

153 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:45:18pm

Has Snowden perhaps hijacked the plane?

154 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:45:36pm

Eventually this airplane’s gonna have to land. Any guesses?

155 compound_Idaho  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:45:44pm

re: #51 lawhawk

Meanwhile, the Obama Administration announced they’ve delayed the employer mandate provision by a year (to 2015). GOPers react with their typical response to all things Obamacare - repeal!

But first, Greg Sargent (and my responses):

[Embedded content]

Is there any authority to do that? I think the administration is just making stuff up as it goes along and I don’t care enough to really look into it.

156 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:45:47pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

I expect the military to coup his arse.

I then expect mass violence out of the Muslim Brotherhood.

157 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:45:56pm

re: #145 ProTARDISLiberal

MB is being really stupid right now. They are giving the military justification for acting, and farther afield, giving the King of Jordan and the Libyans reason to start restricting them.

The MB has power now and they would never give it. The military is going to have to intervene to get rid of them and it looks like they are preparing to do just that.


158 EPR-radar  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:46:06pm

re: #143 A Mom Anon

I swear, for all the trouble this little asshole and his pals have caused, they should have to pay back every fucking dime it’s cost to deal with their spoiled brat mess.

And, for like the 80th time til I’m blue in the face, the real story here IMO, is the outsourcing of government functions to private businesses beholden to nobody but the private equity firms that run them. It’s kind of hard to have “top secret” anything when a million or more people have those types of clearances. Not to mention the cost in dollars we could be spending on much more worthwhile things.

Agreed. Intelligence community contracting to the private sector makes sense for getting the hardware built (e.g., spy satellites), but not for any collection or analysis of the intelligence results.

What’s next? Recruiting spy masters via a temp agency?

159 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:46:49pm

re: #154 SteveMcGazi

Eventually this airplane’s gonna have to land. Any guesses?

Empty tanks, full britches.

160 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:46:50pm

re: #154 SteveMcGazi

Eventually this airplane’s gonna have to land. Any guesses?

Best guess? They’re trying to come up with a damned good excuse why they’d try to sneak this asshole out of the country. Wouldn’t be surprised if Assange tried to arrange it.

161 Interesting Times  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:47:37pm
162 AlexRogan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:47:44pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

@sherifffruitfly @Green_Footballs If he were alive, Peter Sellers would be cast as snowden, assange & greenwald #DrStrangelove

— lvdjgarcia (@lvdjgarcia) July 2, 2013

Dr. Strangelove: [standing up from his wheelchair] Mein Führer! I can walk!

163 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:48:04pm

re: #156 ProTARDISLiberal

I expect the military to coup his arse.

I then expect mass violence out of the Muslim Brotherhood.

There will be some violence but for some reason I doubt there will be much and it won’t last long. The last thing the Muslim Bros want is to be outlawed again and exiled from political life in Egypt forever.

164 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:48:46pm

re: #154 SteveMcGazi

Eventually this airplane’s gonna have to land. Any guesses?

I hear Atlantis is nice this time of year.

165 Batman  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:48:47pm

“No Country For Snowden”

Someone do the poster, please.

166 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:49:39pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

See, I want the MB to be banned. Not just in Egypt either. And they seem fanatical enough that they will take this too far.

167 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:50:25pm

Night Lizards.

May the Sun smile down upon you.

I hope I at least stimulated conversation

168 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:50:28pm

re: #154 SteveMcGazi

Eventually this airplane’s gonna have to land. Any guesses?

it will never land, because r r martin will never finish the series

169 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:51:03pm

Dogwalk. BBL

170 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:51:36pm

I’m finding it odd that Russia hasn’t chimed in yet. You’d think if he was still in the terminal, they’d have told the press as much by now.

171 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:52:33pm

re: #154 SteveMcGazi

Eventually this airplane’s gonna have to land. Any guesses?

Who knows what’s really going on? What if he’s not on the plane when it lands wherever? When was the last time anyone actually saw him? If I was him, I’d be scared shitless—worried about being “disappeared” a la extraordinary rendition.

I’m not saying that’s what happened, I’m saying that’s what I’d be afraid of.

172 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:52:34pm
173 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:52:57pm

So the plane is still sitting on an Austrian tarmac?

I wonder how many days that will go on for. I’d rather be in the Moscow airport.

174 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:54:06pm

re: #172 NJDhockeyfan

That, right there, is enough reason to ban the MB.

Get on it, King Abdullah II!

175 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:55:16pm

re: #174 ProTARDISLiberal

That, right there, is enough reason to ban the MB.

Get on it, King Abdullah II!

Banning things doesn’t make them go away.

176 Lidane  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:56:14pm

re: #161 Interesting Times

177 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:56:40pm

re: #175 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No, but you can use it to create a more hostile environment for it. In addition to dealing with the bigwigs of the group.

178 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:57:46pm

I wonder if the plane lands, the crew shoves Snowden out the door, and slams it shut behind him.

179 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:58:19pm
180 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 4:59:57pm
181 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:00:02pm

re: #166 ProTARDISLiberal

See, I want the MB to be banned.

They were banned for several decades and only got more and more popular. Contrast this with the couple of years since Mubarak’s fall where being allowed to participate fully in Egyptian politics has delegitimized them almost completely.

182 Lidane  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:00:36pm

Because really, that’s what I want my Lt. Gov doing instead of his job:

183 bulldurham  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:07:12pm

re: #176 Lidane

Pardon my French, but god fucking damn it. I was just at the capitol yesterday, protesting voting restrictions as part of Moral Monday, and now this shit. And I have a PT appointment that conflicts with Witness Wednesday. Gah, maybe I can reschedule.

184 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:07:13pm
185 Kragar  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:11:02pm

Fuck the GOP and fuck the Good Ole Boys of the South

186 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:19:40pm

Good night Lizards. Sleep well. I hope I sturied the pot well for the next shift.

187 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:22:19pm

DKos is having the vapors over this

dailykos.com

188 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:25:24pm

re: #187 Velvet Elvis

DKos is having the vapors over this

dailykos.com

Stuck on stupid.

189 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:28:01pm

re: #187 Velvet Elvis

DKos is having the vapors over this

dailykos.com

But this is NOT about Snowden. They’ll tell you that over and over an over again in between rec. listed Snowden posts.

190 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:29:20pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Stuck on stupid.

They must be feigning stupidity. Please tell me that they are feigning stupidity.

191 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:30:13pm

North Carolina is the latest GOP-run state government to try to sneak through radical anti-choice legislation. Check Sen. Kay Hagan’s tweets:

192 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:30:45pm

re: #190 b.d.

They must be feigning stupidity. Please tell me that they are feigning stupidity.

I’ll tell you anything you want but that doesn’t change anything.

193 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:34:36pm

Even Glenn Greenwald was forced to admit tonight that the Wikileaks message from Snowden sounded like it might have been written by someone else.

194 twisty  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:35:26pm

re: #165 Batman

“No Country For Snowden”

Someone do the poster, please.

No Country for Snowden

I clearly have too much time on my hands.

195 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:35:26pm
196 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:36:16pm

re: #194 twisty

No Country for Snowden

I clearly have too much time on my hands.

Very nice.

197 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:37:44pm

re: #194 twisty

No Country for Snowden

I clearly have too much time on my hands.

Clap, clap, clap.

198 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:39:20pm
noble whistleblowing

lol

199 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:39:54pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

“flavored with some person who isn’t Edward Snowden.”

Can he ever give a straight answer to anything?

200 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:40:02pm

Kinda weird that we still haven’t heard an update from the Vienna Airport.

201 Belafon  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:40:09pm

re: #182 Lidane

Oh, those brave, brave legislators who had to stand up to one woman.

202 piratedan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:40:34pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

lol

well something’s being blown, but I’m pretty sure it isn’t a whistle

203 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:41:34pm

Here’s transponder tracking of the plane. It’s still in Vienna.

204 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:41:51pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Kinda weird that we still haven’t heard an update from the Vienna Airport.

The story is carried very low on Memorandum. Perhaps Snowden has lost that ‘new spy smell’.

205 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:41:53pm

There it is - AFP: AFP: Bolivia Leader in Vienna, but Not Snowden: Austria

VIENNA — Bolivian President Evo Morales is at Vienna airport, but fugitive US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden is not on board his plane, an Austrian foreign ministry official confirmed early Wednesday.

“President Morales will leave early Wednesday morning for La Paz,” the Bolivian capital, ministry spokesman Alexander Schallenberg told AFP. Austria did not know why Morales’s plane had landed there, he added.

206 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:43:13pm
207 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:44:28pm
208 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:44:36pm

re: #206 Vicious Babushka

I’m kinda curious myself.

209 alpuz  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:44:46pm

re: #185 Kragar

Fuck the GOP and fuck the Good Ole Boys of the South

They’re moving north. The shit they’re pulling in Austin isn’t much different than the shit they’ve been pulling in Madison. It’s as though they’re reading from the same script.

210 Kragar  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:46:23pm

re: #209 alpuz

They’re moving north. The shit they’re pulling in Austin isn’t much different than the shit they’ve been pulling in Madison. It’s as though they’re reading from the same script.

They are.

211 Interesting Times  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:48:05pm

re: #209 alpuz

They’re moving north. The shit they’re pulling in Austin isn’t much different than the shit they’ve been pulling in Madison. It’s as though they’re reading from the same script.

Actually…

Wham, Bam, Sonogram! Meet the Ladies Setting the New Pro-Life Agenda

Understated rhetoric aside, AUL’s mission is to end all abortions in the United States. Founded in 1971 by a Unitarian minister from Harvard Divinity School, AUL first focused on reversing Roe v. Wade flat out, but in the 1990s it turned its attention to rolling back reproductive rights incrementally at the state level. Lately, it’s been chipping away at abortion access at an ever-faster pace. Its team of lawyers has written dozens of model bills, which are collected in a playbook, Defending Life, and delivered to every state and federal legislator.

It’s like the ALEC of forced birth.

212 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:48:24pm

re: #206 Vicious Babushka

[Can’t wait to see how it plays in Latin America that European nations refuse to allow Bolivia’s president to fly over their airspace.]

My guess is that nobody will really give a sh*t.

213 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:50:14pm
214 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:50:39pm
215 dragonath  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:51:12pm

re: #203 Single-handed sailor

Here’s transponder tracking of the plane. It’s still in Vienna.

Oh my, look at all those planes.

216 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:52:30pm

re: #211 Interesting Times

Actually…

Wham, Bam, Sonogram! Meet the Ladies Setting the New Pro-Life Agenda

It’s like the ALEC of forced birth.

Somehow I doubt he’s still a unitarian

217 b.d.  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:53:15pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

“President Morales will leave early Wednesday morning for La Paz,” the Bolivian capital, ministry spokesman Alexander Schallenberg told AFP. Austria did not know why Morales’s plane had landed there, he added.

Why wait? Because he has to wait for the people to grant clearances over Europe to wake up tomorrow?

218 Joanne  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:53:41pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

Handout

They all have severe cases of OCD?

219 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:55:47pm

Gas up tonight. Tomorrow the gas prices are going up…

220 Joanne  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 5:58:49pm

re: #143 A Mom Anon

Tell me. I got like 35 lousy votes on my WH petition to remove contractors from intelligence. Needed…100,000. Missed it by

>……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. Well, you get the idea.

221 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:01:44pm

re: #219 NJDhockeyfan

Gas up tonight. Tomorrow the gas prices are going up…

[Embedded content]

Perfect time for Obama to hit critics over the head with rising gas prices as a reason to focus on new energy policy, if not climate change as a whole.

222 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:03:12pm

No. of times the troll from the morning thread tried to re-register: 7 so far.

223 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:04:32pm

re: #222 Charles Johnson

No. of times the troll from the morning thread tried to re-register: 7 so far.

Make everybody happy—redirect him to the stalkers.

224 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:04:44pm

That doesn’t count the previous accounts, because this isn’t the 1st appearance of this one.

225 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:07:02pm
226 Sionainn  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:08:20pm

re: #175 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Banning things doesn’t make them go away.

Just look at the abortion issue.

227 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:08:34pm

ah, the troll of th’ mornin’ to ya!

228 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:10:28pm

re: #220 Joanne

Tell me. I got like 35 lousy votes on my WH petition to remove contractors from intelligence. Needed…100,000. Missed it by

>……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. Well, you get the idea.

Don’t take it to heart, but the petition mechanism is too binary, on-off/black-white, for that kind of policy change. It needs a legislative set of fixes to eliminate bad contractors, incentivize the others, and still use the irreplaceable expertise of DoD specialists who retire very young.

229 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:16:08pm

Did the KGB gin up this Bolivian plane mini-drama to muddy the waters while, and after, they arrange for Snowden to disappear?
“Hey, we don’t know what happened to him. He slipped away from right under our noses and we haven’t seen him since.”

I know the perfect place for him to seek refuge. His libertarian friends would love it.

230 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:16:27pm

re: #228 Decatur Deb

I’m not sure how much impact petitions have anyhow. Especially online ones. I suppose the politicians may see them and use them as a barometer sometimes. But as the actions in TX and now NC tell us, the will of the people doesn’t mean shit to a pretty significant number of elected officials. I think what we are finding out is that we have to watch the motherfuckers closely, all the damned time or lots of bad shit gets slipped under the radar, stuff we may not see the impact of right away. We can’t relax.

231 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:16:57pm

re: #154 SteveMcGazi

Eventually this airplane’s gonna have to land. Any guesses?

Khartoum, Sao Tome, La Paz.

232 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:17:34pm

re: #231 austin_blue

Khartoum, Sao Tome, La Paz.

Mogadishu

233 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:19:32pm

re: #231 austin_blue

Khartoum, Sao Tome, La Paz.

Camden, NJ

234 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:20:45pm

re: #232 Shiplord Kirel

Mogadishu

No one is that dumb. The Sudan has a working internal security apparatus and don’t like America very much right now…

235 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:21:57pm

re: #233 SteveMcGazi

Camden, NJ

Whata you got against Joisey?

236 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:24:10pm

I think the Bolivians are a little pissed.

237 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:24:50pm

re: #230 A Mom Anon

I’m not sure how much impact petitions have anyhow. Especially online ones. I suppose the politicians may see them and use them as a barometer sometimes. But as the actions in TX and now NC tell us, the will of the people doesn’t mean shit to a pretty significant number of elected officials. I think what we are finding out is that we have to watch the motherfucker closely, all the damned time or lots of bad shit gets slipped under the radar, stuff we may not see the impact of right away. We can’t relax.

The inhouse/contractor issue is quite complex, and (yes) full of abuses. It’s been driven since the Nixon administration by an ideological drive to gut the civil/military services, depending on the administration. That constantly crashes into inconveniences like wars or the GWOT buildup.

To illustrate, take the history of our small DA agency’s best IT guy: Long-term civil service—>early retirement/DA contractor—>re-employed civil service—>retired DA contractor—>old, sick, retired. All that while he did the same good work from the same desk.

238 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:25:59pm


This is fucked up and tomorrow its going to get much worse.

239 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:30:52pm

re: #154 SteveMcGazi

Eventually this airplane’s gonna have to land. Any guesses?

Detroit.

240 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:33:04pm

re: #239 Vicious Babushka

Detroit.

This is Bolivia—they know how to drop a bundle from a plane.

241 piratedan  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:43:52pm

Cairo, might as well have these stories converge for maximum chaos

242 krypto  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 6:44:48pm

Maybe it was a Snowdon/Greenwald/Assange practice run to see what the US and friends will do if they think Snowdon is on board a diplomatic plane — just to see if they should try it for real next week.

(Just speculating of course.)

243 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:37:51pm

re: #194 twisty

No Country for Snowden

I clearly have too much time on my hands.

I found a picture of a melted Frosty the Snowman that would have been a more comic basis for a poster. :)

244 Lidane  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:43:27pm

re: #209 alpuz

It’s as though they’re reading from the same script.

Because they are.

245 Batman  Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:49:38pm

re: #194 twisty

No Country for Snowden

I clearly have too much time on my hands.

Perfect!

246 Travis Bickle  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:51:23am

Breaking: Did a rightwing-turned-leftie site burst into atavistic chants of “NSA! NSA! NSA!” sustained over several weeks?
Update: This isn’t CJ following Obama committing a colossal blunder as above; the site actually did.


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Snarky Puppy - Trinity (Extended Version) Snarky Puppy never lets you down, they always come out bright and enthusiastically high on the sounds. Snarky Puppy - Trinity (Extended Version)From Snarky Puppy's new album, Empire Central (September 2022, GroundUP Music)Stream/Buy: orcd.co Written by Mark LettieriArranged by ...
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