Bad Craziness Watch: NC Senate Tacks Sweeping Abortion Legislation Onto Sharia Law Bill

A disturbing convergence of backward bigotry

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Tonight in North Carolina, the insane Muslim-hating movement converged with the insane anti-women’s rights movement, and … Senate Tacks Sweeping Abortion Legislation Onto Sharia Law Bill.

RALEIGH, N.C. — Senators tacked a suite of new restrictions and regulations pertaining to abortion clinics onto a bill dealing with the application of foreign laws in North Carolina family courts Tuesday.

The measure was unveiled unexpectedly during an unusual late-day committee meeting Tuesday. It combines several bills in different stages of the legislative process into one omnibus measure.

“It just took a while for there to be a consensus of support for it within our caucus,” said Sen. Buck Newton, R-Wilson, the chairman of the Judiciary 1 committee. “Sometimes these things come together at the last minute.”

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dragonath Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:29:10pm

“We reject your Sharia and substitute our own”

Interesting Times Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:29:29pm

Repost of what I wrote downstairs:

Wham, Bam, Sonogram! Meet the Ladies Setting the New Pro-Life Agenda

Understated rhetoric aside, AUL’s mission is to end all abortions in the United States. Founded in 1971 by a Unitarian minister from Harvard Divinity School, AUL first focused on reversing Roe v. Wade flat out, but in the 1990s it turned its attention to rolling back reproductive rights incrementally at the state level. Lately, it’s been chipping away at abortion access at an ever-faster pace. Its team of lawyers has written dozens of model bills, which are collected in a playbook, Defending Life, and delivered to every state and federal legislator.

AUL = “Americans United for Life.” It’s like the ALEC of forced birth.

MikeTheModerateDemocrat Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:29:39pm

Have we heard a peep from any of the wingnuts who usually complain about tacking things onto bills? Anyone? Hello?

MikeTheModerateDemocrat Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:30:53pm

re: #1 dragonath

Ironic, in a sick sort of way.

austin_blue Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:37:25pm

Bad craziness, indeed!

“As your attorney, I advise you to take a hit out of the little brown bottle in my shaving kit. You won’t need much, just a tiny taste.”

Kragar Tue, Jul 2, 2013 7:53:48pm

They’re anti-Sharia because they want a Christian theocracy.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:01:19pm

Gov. Pat Quinn (Jackass, IL) tries to rewrite concealed carry bill.

I truly hope the Republicans show Quinn the door next year. He’s not a crook, but he’s an anti-gun liberal I’ll be glad to see the back of.

PS: While Quinn’s action anger me, other than the preemption provision they don’t effect me directly, since I don’t see myself ever owning a handgun.

dragonath Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:04:48pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

The proposed bill allows concealed carry into bars, churches, and the workplace. That’s beyond idiotic.

Ming Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:04:56pm

re: #6 Kragar

They’re anti-Sharia because they want a Christian theocracy.

Precisely.

Kragar Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:05:34pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Gov. Pat Quinn (Jackass, IL) tries to rewrite concealed carry bill.

I truly hope the Republicans show Quinn the door next year. He’s not a crook, but he’s an anti-gun liberal I’ll be glad to see the back of.

PS: While Quinn’s action anger me, other than the preemption provision they don’t effect me directly, since I don’t see myself ever owning a handgun.

Yeah, and then they can pass a bunch of laws to make abortions illegal, cut services and generally fuck over as many people as possible to keep their donors happy.

That would be a hoot.

Lidane Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:05:41pm

The American right wing in a nutshell:

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Interesting Times Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:06:22pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

PS: While Quinn’s action anger me, other than the preemption provision they don’t effect me directly, since I don’t see myself ever owning a handgun.

But for women who own a uterus, someone like Quinn is infinitely better for them than ANY republican.

Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:06:44pm

Egypt’s army has been deployed after gunfire around Cairo University kills, wounds many

ProTARDISLiberal Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:07:38pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

I agree with 6 of his changes. Those are 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, and 9.

I am iffy on 3 and 7.

I partially agree with 5, but would want the clip size to be more in line with Colorado’s ammo law. Say, 15 rounds?

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:08:20pm

re: #8 dragonath

The proposed bill allows concealed carry into bars, churches, and the workplace. That’s beyond idiotic.

Churches and the workplace should be OK, as should most restaurants, unless that specific restaurant says no. Bars were already a ‘no’ under the proposed law, and reasonably so.

ProTARDISLiberal Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:09:46pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t want it in either of those either.

Especially with the Anti-Muslim nuts around.

Interesting Times Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:10:02pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Please note that this blatant deflection attempt on your part does absolutely nothing to hide how horrible republicans are for women and their rights.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:10:25pm

re: #14 ProTARDISLiberal

I agree with 6 of his changes. Those are 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, and 9.

I am iffy on 3 and 7.

I partially agree with 5, but would want the clip size to be more in line with Colorado’s ammo law. Say, 15 rounds?

Preemption is needed for concealed carry, to keep someone from getting in trouble for a magazine ban they didn’t know was there.

Kragar Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:10:57pm

re: #17 Interesting Times

Please note that this blatant deflection attempt on your part does absolutely nothing to hide how horrible republicans are for women and their rights.

Must be because they don’t affect him directly, like handgun laws.

Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:11:06pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

It’s difficult for me to express how profoundly I disagree with the viewpoint in these comments.

Just want to make sure that’s on the record.

Gus Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:11:18pm

Abortion. The most pressing issue of its day. As abortion numbers decline because of Planned Parenthood and contraception. From the political party of talking snakes, fossils are a lie… Oh jeez I just lose the energy sometimes.

Interesting Times Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:11:31pm

re: #16 ProTARDISLiberal

Psst: don’t fall for the attempt to derail this thread.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:11:54pm

Withdrawn. The comment was unneeded and could be read as dismissal.

Lidane Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:12:15pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Churches and the workplace should be OK, as should most restaurants, unless that specific restaurant says no. Bars were already a ‘no’ under the proposed law, and reasonably so.

If someone thinks they need a gun in church, it’s time to find a new church.

Same goes for their job, unless they’re in law enforcement or the military.

And if they need to have a gun on them when they go out to dinner, I seriously have to question their life choices.

Gus Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:12:26pm

Republicans should just run off and start their own country.

jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:13:11pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Churches and the workplace should be OK, as should most restaurants, unless that specific restaurant says no. Bars were already a ‘no’ under the proposed law, and reasonably so.

///Yeah if people were allowed to carry guns into church Doctor Tiller might still be alive!

Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:13:17pm

re: #25 Gus

Republicans should just run off and start their own country.

But that denies our history of taking land away from someone else!
//

jaunte Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:13:24pm

People are simply not going to stand for these last minute under the table legislative tricks.

Interesting Times Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:13:30pm

re: #25 Gus

Republicans should just run off and start their own country.

Galt’s Gulch!!1!!

Lidane Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:13:44pm

re: #25 Gus

Republicans should just run off and start their own country.

They tried that already, but that asshole tyrant Lincoln beat them at their own game.

(And yes, I know the history of the Civil War, but the modern GOP are nothing but neo-Confederates anyway, so the statement stands.)

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:14:03pm

re: #24 Lidane

Active shooters often target workplaces. Frankly, its the place you’d most want a gun.

Kragar Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:14:10pm

re: #25 Gus

Republicans should just run off and start their own country.

They can have all of Florida. They say climate change isn’t happening so they don’t have to worry about it being underwater in the next few decades.

jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:14:48pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Active shooters often target workplaces. Frankly, its the place you’d most want a gun.

What makes a shooter “active”?

Lidane Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:15:40pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Active shooters often target workplaces. Frankly, its the place you’d most want a gun.

Yeah, that’d be a no. I don’t want a bunch of armed civilians around me when I’m at work. We’ve seen what can happen when an active shooter is firing and armed civilians try to play the hero. One guy almost shot an innocent man during the Giffords assassination attempt.

dragonath Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:16:13pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Bars were already a ‘no’ under the proposed law, and reasonably so.

What’s this then?

Alcohol: HB 183 allows people to carry guns into establishments serving alcohol, including most family restaurants and other places where large amounts of alcohol are consumed. Mixing alcohol with guns is irresponsible and dangerous. Illinois must keep guns out of any establishment where alcohol is consumed.

And it’s also repeated here.

The new bill’s Senate sponsor, Sen. Gary Forby, D-Benton, said carrying guns would be prohibited in “a ton” of places. They include schools, child-care facilities, playgrounds, public parks, amusement parks, airports, libraries, hospitals and on public transit.

Senate Democrats strenuously objected, but carrying would be allowed in bars and restaurants, if the establishment’s alcohol sales don’t exceed 50 percent of the establishment’s gross receipts.

Chicago Democrats got all of what they requested in terms of specific gun-free zones, including mass transit buses and trains, schools, other government buildings, parks, hospitals and street festivals.

But Rep. Brandon Phelps, a southern Illinois Democrat who sponsored the House proposal, was able to keep in that automobiles should be a “safe harbor,” meaning a secured gun could be kept in a car, even if it’s parked in a prohibited place.

Gus Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:16:45pm

re: #29 Interesting Times

Galt’s Gulch!!1!!

Christianatan… no offense to normal Christians which there are many.

Targetpractice Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:16:50pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Churches and the workplace should be OK, as should most restaurants, unless that specific restaurant says no. Bars were already a ‘no’ under the proposed law, and reasonably so.

I have to reiterate comments made already that if you need a gun with you in church or at work, then you’re in need of a serious reassessment of your life choices. And businesses such as restaurants should not have to be put in the position of choosing whether or not to deny patrons the ability to carry weapons in order to safeguard others and thus suffer the resulting stigma of being seen as “wimps” or “denying people their rights.”

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:17:35pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat

What makes a shooter “active”?

Per the Department of Homeland Security: “An Active Shooter is an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area; in most cases, active shooters use firearms(s) and there is no pattern or method to their selection of victims.”

Source here.

Gus Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:18:40pm

Republican Party Platform:

Abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion.

dragonath Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:19:00pm

re: #39 Gus

Republican Party Platform:

Abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion.

And guns.

Targetpractice Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:19:04pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Active shooters often target workplaces. Frankly, its the place you’d most want a gun.

Because what every workplace needs is everybody to spend every day on their toes, treating even the janitor extra special nice in the event that they should have one bad day and decide that going out in a blaze of glory is a good way to be remembered.

blueraven Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:19:10pm

re: #39 Gus

Republican Party Platform:

Abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion.

& guns

blueraven Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:20:07pm

re: #40 dragonath

And guns.

10 seconds

Lidane Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:20:29pm

re: #39 Gus

Republican Party Platform:

Abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion.

Needs moar abortion. And God. And gunz.

Gus Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:20:41pm

re: #40 dragonath

And guns.

And disenfranchising voters.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:20:49pm

re: #35 dragonath

What’s this then?

And it’s also repeated here.

And there you go. The ‘safe harbor’ provision doesn’t prevent someone from prohibiting guns within their building, but it does allow permit holders to store a gun in their car. That’s reasonable, IMO. If firms fear liability suits, then change the tort laws to relieve them of said liability for guns stored in a car.

jaunte Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:21:13pm

Abortion, guns, defense appropriations for my district, redistricting.

Lidane Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:21:32pm

re: #45 Gus

And disenfranchising voters.

And deporting brown people. And banning every religion except Christianity. And outlawing birth control, and divorce, and teh ghey.

dragonath Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:21:52pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Active shooters often target workplaces. Frankly, its the place you’d most want a gun.

Yeah, I want that dope down the hall to protect everyone, because that’s totally cheaper than hiring a security guard.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:22:01pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

Because what every workplace needs is everybody to spend every day on their toes, treating even the janitor extra special nice in the event that they should have one bad day and decide that going out in a blaze of glory is a good way to be remembered.

TP, you just don’t like concealed carry.

jaunte Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:22:18pm

re: #49 dragonath

Every man a Zimmer man.

dragonath Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:22:29pm

I stayed at an ~~Holiday Inn Express~~ NRA convention once

Gus Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:22:54pm

re: #48 Lidane

And deporting brown people. And banning every religion except Christianity. And outlawing birth control, and divorce, and teh ghey.

The Republican Party. Regulating sodomy and blow jobs since 2013. //

Gus Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:25:43pm

See moron, Cuccinelli in Virginia.

Mattand Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:26:32pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

TP, you just don’t like concealed carry.

No, TP knows that every other person going to work strapped is what’s known as a really bad, mind-numbingly stupid idea.

Targetpractice Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:26:46pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

TP, you just don’t like concealed carry.

I’ll be honest, I’ve never seen the need for it. I’ve been “assured” on more than one occasion that there are millions saved every year by the defense use of firearms, but the analyses of the cited studies have amounted to wild-assed guessing.

Meanwhile, I don’t think I’ve ever gone a week without a shooting being reported either in the local paper or local news stations. And I don’t begin to believe that every single of one of them was with an illegal firearm.

Gus Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:28:12pm

Heh. What’s this about guns. Most of the white suburbanites that are so freaking OBSESSED about concealed carry don’t have to worry about needing a CCW other than one being used by their wives to shoot their sorry ass for their spousal abuse.

Gus Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:28:45pm

Blah, blah, blah, guns. Can we move on. Who care about your HOBBY.

Targetpractice Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:29:05pm

re: #54 Gus

See moron, Cuccinelli in Virginia.

Cucci, or rather Jackson, was the subject of a political phone call I received at work Monday. Seems the local party bosses are unhappy with our district’s representative, Scott Rigell, for publicly stating he would not support Jackson’s nomination for Lt. Gov. The subject of the call was to tell us, the loyal voters of the district, to call him up and give him hell for not supporting a fellow bigot in the name of party solidarity.

jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:29:44pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Per the Department of Homeland Security: “An Active Shooter is an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area; in most cases, active shooters use firearms(s) and there is no pattern or method to their selection of victims.”

Source here.

Ah okay had not heard that term before.

Though its kind of silly that they only “in most cases use firearm(s)” since this means some random guy whacking people’s heads off with a machete would be an “active shooter” also doesn’t it?

bratwurst Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:29:47pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Gov. Pat Quinn (Jackass, IL) tries to rewrite concealed carry bill.

Quite the unbiased source you have chosen there!

Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:29:57pm

After a few weeks of seeming to decline, the ammunition hoarding frenzy has actually intensified again in recent days. I asked around and it appears that the usual suspects are eager to stock up for the expected riots when (not if) Zimmerman is acquitted.

Targetpractice Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:30:34pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

After a few weeks of seeming to decline, the ammunition hoarding frenzy has actually intensified again in recent days. I asked around and it appears that the usual suspects are eager to stock up for the expected riots when (not if) Zimmerman is acquitted.

*facepalm*

dragonath Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:32:09pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

TP, you just don’t like concealed carry.

This “random acts of violence” defense is stupid. There are patterns to gun crime and increasing the number of guns will also increase the chance of a “random event”.

Gus Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:33:33pm

Fact. There is no such thing as Satan.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:33:47pm

re: #60 jamesfirecat

Ah okay had not heard that term before.

Though its kind of silly that they only “in most cases use firearm(s)” since this means some random guy whacking people’s heads off with a machete would be an “active shooter” also doesn’t it?

I think that’s in there because someone could shoot a crossbow or a bow and arrow and qualify as an “active shooter”. Unlikely, to say the least, but DHS, not unreasonably, wanted to cover their bases.

dragonath Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:34:26pm

re: #65 Gus

Fact. There is no such thing as Satan.

Satan is real and he plays for the Bruins.

Well, used to.

Image: Satan_Bruins.jpg

palomino Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:35:52pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Really, you’re now linking to guns.com? Why not just hook us up straight to the NRA’s site?

Workplaces need more guns in civilian hands? Most workplaces are stress filled environments where there are frequent, often intense, disagreements among workers, management, customers, etc. And an everyday aspect of this environment includes resentment over wages, salaries, assignments, promotions or lack thereof, layoffs, disciplinary actions and of course firings. Do more guns in such a place really make sense? How comfortable would you feel about firing an employee if you knew he kept a gun in his desk? Before answering, keep in mind that most shootings are spur of the moment, heat of passion acts.

Ming Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:36:04pm

re: #29 Interesting Times

Galt’s Gulch!!1!!

I guess it would be like Galt’s Gulch, but with lots of Bibles.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:36:47pm

re: #67 dragonath

Satan is real and he plays for the Bruins.

Image: Satan_Bruins.jpg

And he got the worst shock he’s had since God booted him last Monday when the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup.

DN, You opened a door with that joke that I had to walk through.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:39:21pm

re: #68 palomino

Guns.com is actually a good bit calmer in tone than the NRA’s site is. It’s very much pro-gun, but you won’t find talk of revolution in its articles*.

*:Comments are a different story than articles.

Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jul 2, 2013 8:41:06pm

re: #67 dragonath

Satan is real and he plays for the Bruins.

Well, used to.

Image: Satan_Bruins.jpg

That he never played for the Devils is simply unfortunate for the headline writers.

palomino Tue, Jul 2, 2013 9:56:57pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

If your best defense of a source is “it’s not as bad as the NRA”, maybe it’s time to quit digging that hole. Not surprisingly, you ignore the substance of my argument. Do you really think it’s a good idea to allow civilians to carry an unlimited amount of guns and ammo pretty much everywhere? Including the workplace? Please try to remember that the 2nd Amendment wasn’t written by Jesus or brought down from a mountaintop by Moses.

lawhawk Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:48:54am

re: #1 dragonath

“We reject your Sharia and substitute our own”

Thread winner!

William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jul 3, 2013 7:00:26am

re: #24 Lidane

If someone thinks they need a gun in church, it’s time to find a new church.

Late but I need to respond:
Considering the attacks on liberal churches by far right nuts (see the Knoxville TN Unitarian church for example) one can want to defend one’s church rather than be forced to leave it by haters.

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