Ted Nugent for President

Writer of the immortal words, “She’s so sweet when she yanks on my meat”
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The movie “Idiocracy” looks more and more prophetic.

Hi, I’m Ted Nugent. I have nine children from seven women, and I’m running for president.”

Nugent takes a sip of water, having delivered his potential slogan.

“Yeah, I’m thinking about it.”

We were in a conference room at the Hyatt Regency in San Antonio, where Nugent was an hour away from giving a speech to an association of entrepreneurs. It was a political gig; Nugent was to hail (without script) the power of capitalism, self-sufficiency and grit.

He would talk about guns, of course. (He always talks about guns. Indeed, the meeting room he had requested before his speech was not for a meeting, but for a gunsmith to come repair one of Nugent’s many machine guns. The weapon then lay in pieces amid the neatly arranged hotel notepads, pens and full water glasses.) But the venue called for the all-purpose conservative Ted Nugent, the one increasingly in demand on a range of issues.

And the one who says he is increasingly interested in running for office.

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543 comments
1 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:04:15pm

He’ll need a better looking running-mate.

2 Kragar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:04:54pm

re: #1 freetoken

He’ll need a better looking running-mate.

I got one:

Sen. Ted Cruz sings Amazing Grace to the tune of Gilligan’s Island theme

Youtube Video

As bad as you think it might be, its worse.

3 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:05:24pm

Shit, what party would have him?

4 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:07:59pm

re: #2 Kragar

“I’m a product of Christian education…”

Quite the, um, endorsement.

5 darthstar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:08:14pm

Ted Nugent deserves as much attention as Pamela Geller.

6 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:10:50pm

It’s a testament to the obscene largess of our accumulated wealth that the WaPo, a news organization which supposedly is the most serious in our nation’s capitol, will spend so much effort on something so idiotic as Ted Nugent’s political aspirations.

7 Lidane  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:11:00pm

Please proceed.

8 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:11:49pm

re: #5 darthstar

Ted Nugent deserves as much attention as Pamela Geller.

No, the Harpy and Gnome deserves a lot more attention. They are actually fomenting violence. The Nuge, not so much. He is just a gas bag at this point.

9 Lidane  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:12:09pm

Also, in the spirit of the holiday:

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10 erik_t  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:12:57pm

I hope he runs with not-Joe the not-Plumber.

11 b.d.  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:13:23pm

Nothing could go wrong with this.

12 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:13:37pm

re: #10 erik_t

Can’t they all join Sarah’s Freedom party?

13 EPR-radar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:14:16pm

re: #6 freetoken

It’s a testament to the obscene largess of our accumulated wealth that the WaPo, a news organization which supposedly is the most serious in our nation’s capitol, will spend so much effort on something so idiotic as Ted Nugent’s political aspirations.

Why is this so idiotic? The GOP’s best hope for winning might be just this —- a rock star for the GOP base that is unconventional enough to peel away a decisive number of the swing votes.

The GOP base is definitely getting restless, so any normal candidate is going to have big trouble in the GOP primaries.

14 darthstar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:14:28pm

More important than Ted Nugent’s political aspirations:

Image from the story:
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15 Fear the Blah People  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:14:33pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Shit, what party would have him?

Sister Sarah’s new one.

16 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:14:35pm

The guy literally shit all over himself to avoid the draft. I can’t think of anybody else in the world that can make that claim. Yes, let do make him Commander in Chief.

Omnis gloria fluxa

17 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:14:45pm
During his talk to the entrepreneurs in San Antonio, he told it again. “Lots of places have a hog problem,” Nugent said. “In Texas, the hogs have a Ted problem.” He described the giddy joy of shooting from the open copter with an M4 machine gun. “And four hours later I had 450 dead hogs,” he said to loud applause. Then he added an afterthought that produced ample laughs: “And now if they would just take me to South Central. … Okay! I kid.”)

Fuckhead.

18 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:15:14pm

Read early, read often:

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If you have one of those kids who always has a nose buried in a book, here’s a reason to be happy: Scientists say activities at any age that stimulate the brain may help preserve brain power into old age.

The scientists assessed 294 people from the Chicago area who were ages 55 and older, using annual tests to measure thinking and memory and questionnaires about past reading, writing and other mentally stimulating activities. At death, which occurred at an average age of just over 89, they looked at their brains for signs of dementia.

The study results were published this week in the journal Neurology. They showed that mentally stimulating activities across all ages is important for brain health in old age, said Robert Wilson, one of the study authors, of the Rush University Medical Center in Chicago.

[…]

19 b.d.  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:15:51pm

Trump/Nugent 2016

20 EPR-radar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:16:40pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

The guy literally shit all over himself to avoid the draft. I can’t think of anybody else in the world that can make that claim. Yes, let do make him Commander in Chief.

Omnis gloria fluxa

In the linked article, that high point of Nugent’s resume is being passed off as “messing with the reporter”.

21 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:17:17pm

Fucker’s like Caribou Barbie, will promise a future presidential run but when it comes time to throw hats in the ring, he’ll back down and say he was only “thinking” about it.

22 Fear the Blah People  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:17:19pm

re: #17 jaunte

Fuckhead.

Not quite below the surface there, eh?

23 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:18:18pm

re: #17 jaunte

Fuckhead.

Shooting from a helicopter with an automatic weapon. Difficulty rating: Sub-Palin.

Hey, Ted! Even Sarah Palin can shoot better than you, you ammo-wasting fuck-up!

24 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:19:19pm

re: #22 Stanghazi

Not quite below the surface there, eh?

He’s an asshole music celebrity. Like Chris Brown but with less talent.

25 EPR-radar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:19:26pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Shooting from a helicopter with an automatic weapon. Difficulty rating: Sub-Palin.

Hey, Ted! Even Sarah Palin can shoot better than you, you ammo-wasting fuck-up!

I think the real problem there is more with the ‘joke’ about South Central than the fate of the hogs or the ammo.

26 darthstar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:19:42pm

re: #17 jaunte

Fuckhead.

Does he think that makes up for skipping Viet Nam?

27 darthstar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:21:20pm

Love Michelle’s new hair style!

28 BongCrodny  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:22:37pm

re: #19 b.d.

Trump/Nugent 2016

“Guns and Nutter.”

29 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:25:22pm

re: #17 jaunte

Fuckhead.

What he’s describing isn’t legal in Texas.

fully automatic firearms are NOT LEGAL

He’s admitting to a major violation of Texas hunting regulations.

30 erik_t  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:26:30pm

re: #27 darthstar

Love Michelle’s new hair style!

Did we ever see W in a pair of khakis? Ever?

I just realized this and now my mind is blown.

31 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:26:33pm

re: #27 darthstar

Seems in style for summer, with a part to the side and swept back or close:

glamourmagazine.co.uk

32 b.d.  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:27:23pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

What he’s describing isn’t legal in Texas.

He’s admitting to a major violation of Texas hunting regulations.

Hogs are feral. You can throw dynamite at the sobs.

33 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:29:00pm

Remember when there used to be a ton of clips from “Idiocracy” at YouTube? All gone now. Probably copyright take-downs. Can’t blame ‘em, but if ever a movie was made for short YouTube clips…

34 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:30:26pm
Pheasant may not be hunted by means of a cable, chain, or rope connected to or between a moving object or objects.

Jesus, who the hell even thinks up shit like this?

You know what, that movie Ben Hur gave me an idea!

35 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:31:07pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

He’s welcome to shoot hogs. He should be made infamous for entertaining bigots with dog-whistle fantasies of shooting people in south central.

36 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:32:17pm

When Ted Nugent says he is running for President I have to ask what organization? Is he running for President of the NRA? or (G-d help us) the USA?

37 jhrhv  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:33:48pm

Nugent will implement a policy of watering the crops with a Gatorade like sport drink because Science.

38 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:34:43pm

re: #27 darthstar

Love Michelle’s new hair style!

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Keep that tweet close, because I’m sure the usual suspects are going to declare that Obama is not giving this vet or that one the time of day while he throws an “extravagant” party at the White House.

39 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:37:20pm

re: #32 b.d.

Hogs are feral. You can throw dynamite at the sobs.

Oops, you’re right.

Feral hogs are unprotected, exotic, non-game animals. Therefore, they may be taken by any means or methods at any time of year. There are no seasons or bag limits, however a hunting license and landowner permission are required to hunt them.

40 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:43:25pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you. And I thank you again for the 10K Karma.

Sleep well..

41 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:43:32pm

I wonder if someone else is now operating Snowden’s twitter account.

en.wikipedia.org
Susan Lindauer (born 17 July 1963) is an American journalist and antiwar activist.
In 2003 she was accused of conspiring to act as an unregistered agent for the Iraqi Intelligence Service and engaging in prohibited financial transactions with the government of Iraq under Saddam Hussein.[1][2][3] Lindauer was found mentally unfit to stand trial in two separate hearings.

42 BongCrodny  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:45:02pm

Theodore Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Nugent.

43 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:45:05pm

Ted Nugent is delusional. Maybe he has some type of fever.

44 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:46:13pm

FYI, I’m running for the King of England.

45 Blue Point  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:46:36pm

Hey, I’m Ted Nugent. I’m an attention whore and I’ll be glad to piss and shit on whatever you want to bring up my insane fellow attention whore. You first. *gag*

46 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:46:50pm

re: #44 Varek Raith

FYI, I’m running for the King of England.

I’m running for the King of Burger.

47 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:46:51pm

re: #43 Lawrence Schmerel

Feral Hog Fever
E riff

48 AlexRogan  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:47:17pm

re: #20 EPR-radar

In the linked article, that high point of Nugent’s resume is being passed off as “messing with the reporter”.

Funny…isn’t that pretty much what Nugent said about the High Times interview where he recalled how he shat himself (among other things) to dodge the draft?

/”Satire!”

49 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:47:30pm

re: #46 Gus

I’m running for the King of Burger.

Wouldn’t you rather be the Head of Cabbage?

50 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:48:01pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

The guy literally shit all over himself to avoid the draft. I can’t think of anybody else in the world that can make that claim. Yes, let do make him Commander in Chief.

Omnis gloria fluxa

The words whispered into the conquering hero’s ear during a Roman Triumph. Very well done, Frank.

51 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:48:20pm

Meanwhile, over in fantasy land, Eric son of Erick posts a homily on Independence Day, giving religious weight to the 4th of July and the making the DoI divine. One commenter takes Eric to task for stripping the American Revolution and the founders of their radicalism, and Eric and the rest pounce on him.

Eric son of Erick replied to the commenter:

Erick Erickson Mod IL_Glock21 • 10 hours ago
This may be the dumbest comment ever posted at RedState and that’s saying something. It is also the very ignorant revisionism you accuse me of.

Hmmm… I’ve seen a lot of pretty dumb comments at Redstate, and quite a few main entries too.

52 AlexRogan  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:49:40pm

re: #37 jhrhv

Nugent will implement a policy of watering the crops with a Gatorade like sport drink because Science.

Well, Brawndo is what plants crave…

///

53 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:50:23pm

re: #41 jaunte

I wonder if someone else is now operating Snowden’s twitter account.

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54 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:50:25pm

re: #26 darthstar

Does he think that makes up for skipping Viet Nam?

Any hog that runs is an illegal immigrant. Any hog that stand is a well-disciplined illegal immigrant and hence part of a drug cartel!

/Nugent logic

55 BongCrodny  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:52:48pm

Since Ted’s got a ranch in Texas, I assume he’s a citizen.

Is there enough crazy remaining in the state to get Nugent elected to the House? Or is there a never-ending supply just waiting to be mined?

“The great thing about Texas is if you poke a hole in it crazy comes out.” — Steve Stockman

56 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:53:53pm

I thought he was suppose to be dead or in jail by this point?

He long does he have left on the clock judges?

57 erik_t  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:54:51pm

re: #55 BongCrodny

It may be possible that there’s a district out there nutty enough to elect him, but I don’t see him surviving to reach the general. Even a local mayor in a district would know they could annihilate him in a primary election.

58 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:54:53pm

Please proceed.

59 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:56:00pm

re: #53 Gus

Is that the real Snowden? His twitter follower numbers seem to be rather low for someone with so much international attention.

60 Kragar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:56:55pm

re: #43 Lawrence Schmerel

Ted Nugent is delusional. Maybe he has some type of fever.

A cat scratch fever?

61 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:58:06pm

re: #43 Lawrence Schmerel

Ted Nugent is delusional. Maybe he has some type of fever.

All I know is I haven’t sharpened my claws on him recently.

62 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 4:58:51pm

re: #59 freetoken

Is that the real Snowden? His twitter follower numbers seem to be rather low for someone with so much international attention.

Nah.

63 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:00:48pm

re: #61 jamesfirecat

All I know is I haven’t sharpened my claws on him recently.

Yeah well, don’t. With the destruction of Jardine as a world able to support much life, we can’t risk losing firecats dealing with the Nuge.

/Battletech joke

64 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:02:57pm

re: #41 jaunte

Greenwald has actually said this account is fake.

65 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:03:26pm

I know Nimitz has not scratched him. Honor Harrington is not on Old Terra.

67 b.d.  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:04:52pm

re: #41 jaunte

I wonder if someone else is now operating Snowden’s twitter account.

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This is his Twitter feed? For real?

68 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:05:35pm

re: #67 b.d.

This is his Twitter feed? For real?

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No, it’s a fake.

69 b.d.  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:06:08pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Greenwald has actually said this account is fake.

That makes more sense. Though there are certain people who I wish thought it was real.

70 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:06:14pm

re: #67 b.d.

No, sorry, I was not thinking.

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:07:19pm

re: #32 b.d.

Hogs are feral. You can throw dynamite at the sobs.

Interesting tidbit about the origin of feral hogs that I learned in reading Charles Mann’s “1491” (and I paraphrase):

Spanish explorer Hernando De Soto brought 300 pigs along on his search for the “fountain of youth”, which started in Florida but eventually ended up at Cahokia, in the neighborhood of current day St. Louis, Mo.
Most of the pigs got sick along the way and, some suspect that was a vector for an early “swine flu” epidemic that wiped out Native populations.
Other hogs survived the trek and were the beginning of the feral hogs we know today. Granted, contemporary domestic hogs that escape help keep that population going…

72 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:07:52pm

re: #65 PhillyPretzel

I know Nimitz has not scratched him. Honor Harrington is not on Old Terra.

Yet…. (With the way the Solarian League is starting to come apart its only a matter of time.)

73 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:13:07pm
“… this amounts to an almost criminal ignorance. The Russian government is not so much a government as a loosely knit cadre of thugs and thieves who have been in a state of permanent opposition vis-à-vis the Russian people since at least Peter the Great, and the Russian surveillance state—which descends directly from the Soviet surveillance state—is the No. 1 instrument with which the Kremlin has stymied revolution. In other words, Snowden sought to protest the excesses of his own country’s government by going to another country that is infinitely better at committing those same crimes.

newrepublic.com

74 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:13:48pm

re: #72 jamesfirecat

Yet…. (With the way the Solarian League is starting to come apart its only a matter of time.)

A long time, though. For the RMN to go to Terra would glue much of the League together as nothing else would.

75 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:17:33pm

I hope everyone enjoyed their Happy 4th.

I spent the day baking bread.

76 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:18:08pm

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

I hope everyone enjoyed their Happy 4th.

I spent the day baking bread.

Email me some.
Kthxbai.
:)

77 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:18:26pm

re: #69 b.d.

That makes more sense. Though there are certain people who I wish thought it was real.

Even so, I replied to the tweet in proper fashion:

78 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:19:55pm

Isn’t it about time for a Greenwald cultist to show up, register, post an aggressive comment full of insults, complain about being insulted in return, swear to leave four or five times, then accuse everyone of “groupthink?”

79 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:20:56pm

Who’s behind the fake Snowden account: readwrite.com

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:21:25pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Isn’t it about time for a Greenwald cultist to show up, register, post an aggressive comment full of insults, complain about being insulted in return, swear to leave four or five times, then accuse everyone of “groupthink?”

pantera tried that but was just so disappointing…

81 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:23:57pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Journalists, teachers, authors, celebrities like Adam Baldwin and Roseanne Barr, and even John McAfee have tweeted at the handle as if it is real.

What a relief, I’m not alone.

82 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:24:40pm

On this day it is not unexpected to see the wingnut right in full historical revisionism mode, but it is all the more sublime to see them fight among themselves.

Over on Salem Communication’s Townhall, in Jackie Gingrich Cushman’s article “Red, White, and You”, she published this little paragraph:

Our Founding Fathers risked their lives to declare freedom, hundreds of thousands of Americans died during our Civil War to keep our nation together. They gave the ultimate sacrifice, their lives, for our freedom, as have our soldiers throughout our history.

And of course that was enough to set off Townhall’s Confederate faithful:

Troglodite Wrote:2 hours ago (5:31 PM)
Southern apologists who suggest that slavery had nothing to do with the secession of the states of the Deep South are deservedly denounced as re-writing history. Abe Lincoln, on the other hand, is praised because of the success of a similarly fraudulent re-writing of history. His overall record and, in particular, his first inaugural address make it clear that the things that he sought included: preservation of the Federal revenues and of the benefits accruing to Northern industry through protective tariffs, maintenance of Federal power for its own sake, the partisan political advantages of the Republican Party, and the successful career of one Abe Lincoln. To these ends, he helped to bring on a war that killed at least 600,000 Americans, in order to ensure that, if and when we got an Obama, we would be neither able nor even willing to consider disobedience to his dictates. To sell the war, he used the usual weapon of politics: deception. The South, whatever its many flaws, was interested in leaving the Union, not in destroying it. It sought not the destruction of “this government, of, by and, for the people,” but independence of that government in the interest of having a government of, by, and for its own people. Lincoln, although in some ways one of history’s greats, ought not to be adulated, lest we misunderstand our own history and the origins of some very current problems.

Yup, full on Lincoln-hating conspiracy folk.

FIREMALLNDC Wrote:7 hours ago (12:30 PM)
Good Lord. Lincoln was a tyrant. Stop the falsification of history with any more dribble about Lincoln as being anything than a Constitution destroying monster. He unconstitutionally used force against sovereign states and was responsible for upwards of 800,000 deaths. I call BS…

—-

John1052 Wrote:19 hours ago (12:40 AM)
Comparing Lincoln to our founding fathers is like akin to Anita Dunn comparing Mao to Mother Teresa. Our founders believed in states’ rights while Lincoln took them away.

Eventually in their hateful ignorance they’ll just turn on themselves. Unfortunately the rest of us get to experience the havoc that know-nothing tea partiers wreck on our politics.

83 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:24:47pm

re: #81 jaunte

What a relief, I’m not alone.

I knew it was fake but Tweeted to IT anyway.

84 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:25:34pm

GOHMERT!

85 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:25:56pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

I’m convinced that this is a such a common Internet interaction pattern because it’s expressing a deep need for … something. It’s some kind of cognitive appraisal malfunction.

I guess I’m getting jaded, because I’ve seen this behavior pattern play out so many times I can set my watch to it.

86 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:26:54pm

Oh, and Townhall is pushing on their front page PaleoPat’s latest column, in which he laments:

Freedom of assembly, which produced men’s and women’s clubs and colleges, has been under assault for decades. Only a handful of men’s and women’s colleges survive. Even Augusta National Golf Club was forced to conform to the dictates of diversity and equality.

Oh, the horror of letting BROWN PEOPLE! play golf on our greens.

87 Political Atheist  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:27:16pm

Politics? Nope. Mere Politricks. Yo Ted, put down the mic. Just play your music. Maybe write some. You know the drill.

You need to leave that old cult you are in.

You know the diffiCULT?

88 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:29:35pm

re: #86 freetoken

Oh, and Townhall is pushing on their front page PaleoPat’s latest column, in which he laments:

Oh, the horror of letting BROWN PEOPLE! play golf on our greens.

No, it’s TEH VAGINAS.

89 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:30:42pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

It’s the “you people probably won’t agree with me, so up yours” effect.

90 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:31:02pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

A long time, though. For the RMN to go to Terra would glue much of the League together as nothing else would.

She could get sent there to do negotiations like she did with the Peeps.. Who we really need a new “name” for now that they haven’t been a “People’s Republic” for a fair while…

91 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:31:18pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Isn’t it about time for a Greenwald cultist to show up, register, post an aggressive comment full of insults, complain about being insulted in return, swear to leave four or five times, then accuse everyone of “groupthink?”

I did that so fast you didn’t even see it. I’m a ninja troll.

92 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:34:42pm

Cognitive Appraisal

The perception of a situation can be the cause of a negative psychological reaction, rather than the situation itself.

93 b.d.  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:37:46pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Isn’t it about time for a Greenwald cultist to show up, register, post an aggressive comment full of insults, complain about being insulted in return, swear to leave four or five times, then accuse everyone of “groupthink?”

The Greenwald cultists have a lot more ground to battle on these days, give them time.

94 Kragar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:39:31pm

re: #84 jaunte

GOHMERT!

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Oh, that’s right. Tonight is the night Beck remakes 4th of July.

95 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:40:24pm

Pretty sure I’m going to make an earlier timeout permanent. Sometimes people make it very clear that they’re just fuckin’ with you.

96 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:40:59pm

And that comes from a review of some comment threads I missed when they were posted.

97 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:42:35pm

Uh oh. No sooner do I speak.

98 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:43:43pm

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

Challah! It’s actually my favorite bread to make and give to friends since it always turns out perfectly and makes wonderful French toast, too. Your photo makes my mouth water…and now I want to make some.

99 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:45:12pm

re: #82 freetoken

On this day it is not unexpected to see the wingnut right in full historical revisionism mode, but it is all the more sublime to see them fight among themselves.

Over on Salem Communication’s Townhall, in Jackie Gingrich Cushman’s article “Red, White, and You”, she published this little paragraph:

And of course that was enough to set off Townhall’s Confederate faithful:

Yup, full on Lincoln-hating conspiracy folk.

—-

Eventually in their hateful ignorance they’ll just turn on themselves. Unfortunately the rest of us get to experience the havoc that know-nothing tea partiers wreck on our politics.

On Lincoln, National Review has been in pushback mode lately. Although this is in part because editor Rich Lowrey has a pro-Lincoln book in print, the push back seems honest to me.

100 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:45:46pm

First post in a dead thread. Check.

101 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:46:43pm

Already blocked this one on Twitter, by the way, so this should be good.

102 EmmaAnne  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:46:45pm

re: #65 PhillyPretzel

I know Nimitz has not scratched him. Honor Harrington is not on Old Terra.

Yet.

103 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:47:00pm

re: #84 jaunte

GOHMERT!

[Embedded content]You’ll be happy to know that East Texas @RepLouieGohmert is spending his Fourth in Salt Lake City with Glenn Beck.

Hard to fault him for wanting to be someplace where he wouldn’t be the oldest, whitest, stupidest man in the room.

104 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:49:29pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Uh oh. No sooner do I speak.

They’re here, they’ve come…

Youtube Video

105 twisty  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:50:33pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I’m convinced that this is a such a common Internet interaction pattern because it’s expressing a deep need for … something. It’s some kind of cognitive appraisal malfunction.

I guess I’m getting jaded, because I’ve seen this behavior pattern play out so many times I can set my watch to it.

Start to doubt internally whether enemy tribe is all that bad -> doubt is scary because if the enemy isn’t evil how do I know my tribe is good? -> run into enemy camp brandishing weapon -> receive appropriately aggressive response -> truck back home secure in the knowledge that enemy tribe is mean and evil

Scary to remember that the era of settled civilization is only a tiny percentage of H. sapiens history, and the era of widespread book learnin’ an even smaller percentage…

106 Kragar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:53:54pm

re: #105 twisty

And that is only in the last 6000 years.
///

107 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:54:12pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Already blocked this one on Twitter, by the way, so this should be good.

TeekeeMon, come out and play!

108 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:56:55pm

Neil Diamond singing “Sweet Caroline” on Capital Fourth on PBS.

109 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 5:57:19pm

re: #98 Justanotherhuman

Challah! It’s actually my favorite bread to make and give to friends since it always turns out perfectly and makes wonderful French toast, too. Your photo makes my mouth water…and now I want to make some.

I love my baking Assistent!

Still have not succeeded with baguettes, but I will keep trying.

110 twisty  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:03:27pm

re: #106 Kragar

And that is only in the last 6000 years.
///

I was very relieved when they invented agriculture last week, had a big craving for dinner rolls.

111 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:10:02pm

re: #109 Vicious Babushka

I love my baking Assistent!

Still have not succeeded with baguettes, but I will keep trying.

Someone shows up occasionally with challah at our farmers’ market—$10.00 a loaf.

112 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:10:10pm

It’s another girl! NFL star Eli Manning and wife Abby welcome second child

New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning and his wife of five years have welcomed their second child.

Abby McGrew gave birth to another daughter, Lucy Thomas, on June 17. The couple also have a two-year-old, Ava Frances.

Eli’s team broke the happy news on Thursday - Fourth of July - more than four weeks after the birth.

‘We welcome another Manning to the @Giants Family, Eli and Abby’s second daughter, Lucy Thomas born June 17, 2013,’ the official Giants Twitter announced on Thursday.

Well, Eli does have a good sense of timing.

113 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:13:10pm

Most of the family and visitors are napping—the Fourth started around 1:00 AM. We had 6-8 inches of rain in the last day, only a few fireworks lovers are popping their backyard displays.

114 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:13:31pm

re: #110 twisty

I was very relieved when they invented agriculture last week, had a big craving for dinner rolls.

There was a paper just published on this:


Farming was so Nice, It was Invented at Least Twice

[…]

Radiocarbon dating of the archaeological deposits, some 8 meters in depth, showed that Chogha Golan had been occupied continuously between about 12,000 and 9,700 years ago or even later . That allowed Riehl and her colleagues to trace the use of plants over that entire period of time. They found that the people of Chogha Golan apparently began cultivating wild barley, wheat, and lentils more than 11,500 years ago, and that domesticated forms of wheat appeared about 9,800 years ago, nearly as early as at sites to the west. The team concludes that the advent of farming at Chogha Golan, and in the eastern Fertile Crescent, was an independent event that paralleled developments much farther west. This suggests, researchers say, that farming was more or less inevitable once the Ice Age had ended and climatic and environmental conditions were right for it, rather than being a fluke that arose in just one location.

[…]

The PR: No single origin for agriculture in the Fertile Crescent

A rich assemblage of fossils and artifacts in the foothills of the Zagros Mountains in Iran has revealed that the early inhabitants of the region began cultivating cereal grains for agriculture between 12,000 and 9,800 years ago. The discovery implies that the transition from foraging to farming took place at roughly the same time across the entire Fertile Crescent, not in a single core area of the “cradle of civilization,” as previously thought.

[…]

115 BigPapa  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:13:41pm

doucheplicitous:
Like duplicitous, only douchier.

116 BigPapa  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:14:09pm

Incoming 3 O’Clock high!

117 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:15:40pm

Meanwhile, we have today’s contestant for Snottiest Person in the World.

118 twisty  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:15:45pm

re: #114 freetoken

Thanks, I hadn’t seen these! History is too fun.

119 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:15:45pm

re: #114 freetoken

There was a paper just published on this:

Farming was so Nice, It was Invented at Least Twice

The PR: No single origin for agriculture in the Fertile Crescent

For a totally unscientific thought experiment, think of agriculture as the Original Sin of paleolithic hunters.

120 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:16:39pm

Snowjob has a future on the celebrity circuit:

Edward Snowden receives marriage proposal from ex-Russian spy Anna Chapman

The 31-year-old popped the question on Twitter – in a move that will infuriate his pole dancer girlfriend Lindsay Mills

Now, if Snowjob cold only get a proposal from one of the Kardashians…

121 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:18:13pm

re: #120 freetoken

Snowjob has a future on the celebrity circuit:

Edward Snowden receives marriage proposal from ex-Russian spy Anna Chapman

Now, if Snowjob cold only get a proposal from one of the Kardashians…

I smell reality show: Man without a country and his girlfriends.

122 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:18:50pm

re: #120 freetoken

Snowjob has a future on the celebrity circuit:

Edward Snowden receives marriage proposal from ex-Russian spy Anna Chapman

Now, if Snowjob cold only get a proposal from one of the Kardashians…

Hope she’ll wait for him by the prison gate.

Youtube Video

123 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:18:52pm

re: #121 Iwouldprefernotto

It’ll be a special season of The Bachelor.

124 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:20:15pm

WHY ARE AMERICANS CELEBRATING INDEPENDENCE DAY BY SETTING OFF FIREWORKS WHICH MIMIC BOMBS AND ARTILLERY THAT KILLS PEOPLE!?? WARMONGERING NATION!!!!

[Goes back to building giant puppet.]

125 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:20:28pm

re: #114 freetoken

There was a paper just published on this:

Farming was so Nice, It was Invented at Least Twice

The PR: No single origin for agriculture in the Fertile Crescent

It was also invented later in the New Guinea highlands. When Westerners were finally able to overfly the highlands in the 1930s they astonished to discover cultivated fields. For their part, the Australians behaved much better towards the highlanders than they had towards their own aboriginals, with Australia and the US encouraging and purchasing highland agricultural surpluses during WWII.

126 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:20:44pm
127 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:21:28pm

Our pets really hate it when their owners do crazy shit.

128 BigPapa  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:22:11pm

Dogs, cats, and my wife, who’s allergies are going nuts already.

It’s usually war zone just below our house with the cloud coming up the hill…

129 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:22:24pm

ᕙ(`▽´)ᕗ

130 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:22:42pm

(͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

131 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:23:00pm

凸(¬‿¬)凸

132 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:23:06pm

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

133 BigPapa  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:23:16pm

So I’m going to do what any loving husband would do: close all the doors and windows and ditch her to go to a BBQ and drink lots of beer.

134 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:23:40pm

re: #132 Varek Raith

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

(っ-●益●)っ ,︵‿

135 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:23:56pm

(⊙.⊙(☉_☉)⊙.⊙)

136 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:24:35pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

First post in a dead thread. Check.

The thread was not dead, it was probably pining for the fjords.

Drops Mic.

137 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:25:11pm

(ง’̀-‘́)ง

138 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:26:25pm

re: #116 BigPapa

Incoming 3 O’Clock high!

[continuing the WWII Pacific theme from previous post]

Sited, but it looks like they’re shadowing us. Looks like a pair of Dinahs acting as observers. Look alive men, it means those Japanese fighters won’t be far behind and we’ve still got a good ways to Akashi. Keep sharp look out for inline engine fighters, we’re hitting the factory that makes their engines and intel says they’ll be on hand to defend it.

139 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:27:59pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

[continuing the WWII Pacific theme from previous post]

Sited, but it looks like they’re shadowing us. Looks like a pair of Dinahs acting as observers. Look alive men, it means those Japanese fighters won’t be far behind and we’ve still got a good ways to Akashi. Keep sharp look out for inline engine fighters, we’re hitting the factory that makes their engines and intel says they’ll be on hand to defend it.

Knock off the chatter.

140 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:30:34pm

————————(_/)
-((-————-(≧◡≦)
( =’:’)—-
(..(“)(“)✿❀❁(“)(“)

141 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:31:04pm

Deep, man. Deep.

142 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:31:12pm

re: #140 Gus

DRONES!!

143 BigPapa  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:31:46pm

re: #140 Gus

Are trying to say ‘Greenwald is a boob’ or just ‘BOOBIES!’?

144 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:31:52pm

re: #142 freetoken

DRONES!!

凸(¬‿¬)凸rones!

145 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:32:11pm

(◣◢)┌∩┐

146 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:32:23pm

Worth the short read:

Former Japanese soldiers in quandary over ‘comfort women’ issue

Contrary to the atavistic right-wing Osaka mayor, many of the soldiers aren’t so happy about the past.

147 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:33:53pm

re: #140 Gus

Yup, that’s the Obama Progressive characteristic all right. He sounds reasonable.

148 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:35:04pm

re: #143 BigPapa

Are trying to say ‘Greenwald is a boob’ or just ‘BOOBIES!’?


Boobies.

149 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:35:05pm

re: #147 jaunte

Yup, that’s the Obama Progressive characteristic all right. He sounds reasonable.

(◑_◑)

150 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:35:33pm

re: #147 jaunte

Yup, that’s the Obama Progressive characteristic all right. He sounds reasonable.

It’s sinking in that he will end his days as a cult martyr, packing them in at Holiday Inns.

151 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:39:27pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

It’s sinking in that he will end his days as a cult martyr, packing them in at Holiday Inns.

That’s a fitting fate for Greenwald, but I’d really prefer for him to be left alone without any allies at all.

152 BigPapa  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:39:55pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon


Boobies.

Damn! Gets me every time.

153 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:40:22pm

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

That’s a fitting fate for Greenwald, but I’d really prefer for him to be left alone without any allies at all.

For every wing, for every moon, there is a nut or bat.

154 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:43:15pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

For every wing, for every moon, there is a nut or bat.

And a time to every purpose under Heaven:

Youtube Video

155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:44:29pm

re: #140 Gus


hmmm…Geller & Spencer will be surprised to know that they’re Obama progressives…

156 calochortus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:44:33pm

re: #124 Gus

WHY ARE AMERICANS CELEBRATING INDEPENDENCE DAY BY SETTING OFF FIREWORKS WHICH MIMIC BOMBS AND ARTILLERY THAT KILLS PEOPLE!?? WARMONGERING NATION!!!!

[Goes back to building giant puppet.]

John Adams: “I believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival,” he wrote his wife, Abigail. “It ought to be celebrated by pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires, and illuminations from one end of this continent to the other…”

(Bolding mine)

And yet, we discourage automatic weapons fire to celebrate the day.

157 b.d.  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:45:28pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

It’s sinking in that he will end his days as a cult martyr, packing them in at Holiday Inns.

Being introduced by Cindy Sheehan

158 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:46:18pm

re: #157 b.d.

Being introduced by Cindy Sheehan

Sadly, but at least she had real skin in the game.

159 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:46:50pm

re: #156 calochortus

(Bolding mine)

And yet, we discourage automatic weapons fire to celebrate the day.

For good reason:

Eighteen months ago, during a New Year’s Eve celebration in Hillsborough County, Florida, 14-year-old Diego Duran took a stray bullet in the head.

Miraculously, he survived.

In a recent interview with a local ABC News affiliate, he recalled the incident.

“I just remember watching fireworks with my family, and then that was it,” Duran said. The bullet, part of celebratory gunfire, hit him on the top of the head and penetrated his skull.

The event dramatically changed his life.

“It’s like I have to be cautious of my head. I have a shunt, it’s a tube that goes all the way down to my stomach and it drains fluids,” he explained.

Now, along with the help of his mother, Sandy, he is hoping to save lives and to prevent what happened to him from happening to other people.

To accomplish this goal, Duran formed the ‘Bullet-Free Sky’ campaign, a non-profit advocacy group that works to inform the public of the dangers of celebratory gunfire and to spread the message: ‘Stray bullets take lives.’

160 b.d.  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:48:19pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Sadly, but at least she had real skin in the game.

True, one time I had respect for Cindy Sheehan never for Glenn

161 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:49:26pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

For good reason:

The one case where I know Mythbusters screwed up. People die from celebratory fire, and I’ve handled the paperwork.

162 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:49:26pm


What color is this shirt?

163 calochortus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:49:59pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Indeed, not shooting randomly into the sky (or anywhere else) is a good idea.

note: It is remarkably difficult to type well with two of my fingers taped together. (bad sprain of little finger, I think)

164 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:50:17pm

Answer now!

//

165 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:50:42pm

re: #162 Gus

[Embedded content]


What color is this shirt?

Nairobi Mauve.

166 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:51:10pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Nairobi Mauve.

Like a pink.

167 BigPapa  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:51:19pm

re: #162 Gus

[Embedded content]


What color is this shirt?

Socialist Blue

168 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:51:22pm

re: #162 Gus

[Embedded content]


What color is this shirt?

How dare he step out of the Oval Office! He’s wasting my tax dollars!!!!

169 calochortus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:52:08pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

The one case where I know Mythbusters screwed up. People die from celebratory fire, and I’ve handled the paperwork.

I don’t think they did-they visited a doctor who had seen a case like that. Bullets shot straight up tumble on the way down. Very little gunfire is straight up so there is an arc trajectory.

170 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:52:28pm

re: #163 calochortus

Indeed, not shooting randomly into the sky (or anywhere else) is a good idea.

note: It is remarkably difficult to type well with two of my fingers taped together. (bad sprain of little finger, I think)

it’s noteworthy that the lead commenter on the article is quite wingnutty, but on this makes very clear that he agrees with the subject of the article. This is a way to distinguish between a man who really knows about guns and a poser.

171 b.d.  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:53:04pm

re: #162 Gus

[Embedded content]


What color is this shirt?

Pinko Pink?

172 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:53:31pm

re: #169 calochortus

I don’t think they did-they visited a doctor who had seen a case like that. Bullets shot straight up tumble on the way down. Very little gunfire is straight up so there is an arc trajectory.

Their laboratory physics was right, their human behaviour was wrong.

173 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:53:55pm

re: #164 Gus

Answer now!

//

Looks pink to me. Some haters’ll freak out about it, but they’ll just look like assholes for having done so.

174 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:54:40pm

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

Looks pink to me. Some haters’ll freak out about it, but they’ll just look like assholes for having done so.

Yeah. I thought so. Someone called it green in my TL.

175 calochortus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:55:26pm

re: #174 Gus

Yeah. I thought so. Someone called it green in my TL.

Has that person been colorblind all their life?

176 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:55:48pm

re: #175 calochortus

Has that person been colorblind all their life?

I didn’t ask. Yet. Pondering.

177 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:56:26pm
178 calochortus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:56:45pm

re: #176 Gus

The red (or pink)/green confusion indicates a problem.

179 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:57:23pm

re: #111 Decatur Deb

Someone shows up occasionally with challah at our farmers’ market—$10.00 a loaf.

Where is your farmer’s market?

180 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:57:42pm

re: #162 Gus

[Embedded content]


What color is this shirt?

It’s an important day for the First Family, you know: It’s Malia Obama’s birthday. It is in my mind fitting that the president’s firstborn was born on Independence Day.

181 BigPapa  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:58:22pm

I tried to say ‘Obama progressives are warmongers!’ out loud three times.

I quit, almost laughpuked.

182 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:58:22pm

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

Where is your farmer’s market?

300 miles south of your son, on the edge of the No Challah Zone.

183 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 6:59:46pm

re: #181 BigPapa

I tried to say ‘Obama progressives are warmongers!’ out loud three times.

I quit, almost laughpuked.

It’s good you didn’t, because I hear that if you do you’ll end having to host an emoprog in your home for 6 months.

184 BigPapa  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:01:30pm

Mommy, what’s an emofrog?

185 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:05:11pm

re: #182 Decatur Deb

300 miles south of your son, on the edge of the No Challah Zone.

I would tell my DIL to load up the old SUV, but she’s staying close to home cause she’s due with twins in about 4 weeks.

186 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:05:51pm
187 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:05:59pm

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

I would tell my DIL to load up the old SUV, but she’s staying close to home cause she’s due with twins in about 4 weeks.

Be careful, Local Challah Lady could cut ‘ya.

188 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:06:17pm

Not a big fan of canned soup, but i must say this Progesso’s Chickarina,,, not bad,, not bad at all

(at work and forgot all my usual take out/ delivery joints are closed)

189 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:07:53pm

re: #188 sattv4u2

Not a big fan of canned soup, but i must say this Progesso’s Chickarina,,, not bad,, not bad at all

(at work and forgot all my usual take out/ delivery joints are closed)

Of course it’s good—it’s Progressive!!

190 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:08:41pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

Of course it’s good—it’s Progressive!!

yeah, but the label says it’s TRADITIONAL!

191 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:09:15pm

re: #190 sattv4u2

yeah, but the label says it’s TRADITIONAL!

Best kind.

192 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:09:29pm
193 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:11:09pm
194 Lidane  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:11:22pm
195 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:13:33pm

re: #184 BigPapa

Mommy, what’s an emofrog?

A type of whiny, impractical Progressive.

196 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:14:05pm
197 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:15:16pm

re: #196 Gus

Bert and Ernie at the fireworks?

198 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:16:47pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Bert and Ernie at the fireworks?

Nahh

Hillary used to throw lamps at Bill

Michelle head butts Barack!
//

199 BigPapa  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:16:53pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Bert and Ernie at the fireworks?

No, it’s the destruction of our Constitution and stuffs.

Somebody get me a beer.

200 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:17:25pm

re: #198 sattv4u2

Nahh

Hillary used to throw lamps at Bill

Michelle head butts Barack!
//

“I told you not to leave your dirty socks on the floor”

201 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:17:59pm

‘Say hello to my little friend!”, IDF style. Fittingly as Israel is more progressive socially than Cuba, the grenadier is a young lady.

202 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:20:23pm
203 122 Year Old Obama  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:20:36pm

Returned from Day 1 of my very first convention! Not terribly eventful at the moment, but I did meet some very nice people. :D

204 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:23:05pm

re: #203 122 Year Old Obama

Returned from Day 1 of my very first convention! Not terribly eventful at the moment, but I did meet some very nice people. :D

They don’t degenerate into drunken, drug-fueled orgies with sadomasochistic themes until after the awards banquets.

205 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:25:13pm

re: #203 122 Year Old Obama

Returned from Day 1 of my very first convention! Not terribly eventful at the moment, but I did meet some very nice people. :D

PRO TIP from someone who has been to numerous conventions

THE deals are never made on the convention/ show floor.
THE BEST deals are made on the last day/ night of the convention

206 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:25:59pm

re: #202 Gus

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A Siamese kitten practices being imperious:

Image: BOTQHQvCUAA4VP0.jpg

207 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:27:38pm

re: #205 sattv4u2

PRO TIP from someone who has been to numerous conventions

THE deals are never made on the convention/ show floor.
THE BEST deals are made on the last day/ night of the convention

Yeah, but you still gotta go to the convention floor to get the Con Exclusives.

208 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:27:46pm

Hey!

You!

Yah, you!


Have a bloody good Independence Day.

From your friendly neighbours to the north.

209 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:28:03pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but you still gotta go to the convention floor to get the Con Exclusives.

noyadont

210 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:30:10pm

re: #208 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Hey!

You!

Yah, you!

Have a bloody good Independence Day.

From your friendly neighbours to the north.

There was a 2 and a half hour wait this afternoon to get into Canada at the Port Huron/Sarnia bridge.

TWO AND A HALF HOURS at a border crossing that normally takes five minutes. GOING INTO CANADA.

(No I didn’t go to Canada, I stayed home and baked challah)

211 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:31:33pm

And I have to go to work tomorrow. It’s going to be a total blowoff day, with about half the operations taking the day off, and everybody else totally slacking, but I want to get paid.

212 Lidane  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:34:07pm
213 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:36:30pm

Popocatepetl
twitter.com

214 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:38:03pm
215 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:38:15pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

She looks professional for sure, but I don’t get the Cuba reference.

216 Lidane  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:41:37pm
217 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:41:44pm
218 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:42:22pm

re: #216 Lidane

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me, after the 1st time, I would have left

just sayin

219 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:42:30pm
220 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:42:35pm

re: #215 wheat-dogghazi

She looks professional for sure, but I don’t get the Cuba reference.

The line I used is from Scarface, and the movie’s protagonist is Cuban.

221 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:44:56pm

We should totally launch fireworks from drones.
Hilarity would ensue.

222 Lidane  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:47:03pm

re: #221 Varek Raith

We should totally launch fireworks from drones.
Hilarity would ensue.

Paint the drones black and slap on the FEMA logo for added fun.

223 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:52:53pm

It’s all good.

224 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:53:28pm

Mean it.

225 BigPapa  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:54:26pm

Game of Gates

226 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:54:41pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

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That monkey has been stealing dogs for years.
Monkey stealing a dog
Uploaded on Jan 9, 2012

Kathmandu Zoo monkey has adopted a dog for many years
Youtube Video

227 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:55:14pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

That monkey has been stealing dogs for years.
Monkey stealing a dog
Uploaded on Jan 9, 2012

Kathmandu Zoo monkey has adopted a dog for many years
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Bonus: The most annoying piano music ever created

228 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:57:36pm

Monkey Saves Puppy, But Not From China Explosion

First Posted: 08/06/10

Is that monkey even alive anymore?

229 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:57:45pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

That monkey has been stealing dogs for years.
Monkey stealing a dog
Uploaded on Jan 9, 2012

Kathmandu Zoo monkey has adopted a dog for many years
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he must be stealing them to sell them

Monkey Sells Hot Dogs

230 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:57:47pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

That monkey has been stealing dogs for years.
Monkey stealing a dog
Uploaded on Jan 9, 2012

Kathmandu Zoo monkey has adopted a dog for many years
[Embedded content]

You the man Killgore. Always fun.

231 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:58:29pm

re: #230 Gus

You the man Killgore. Always fun.

Monkey stole mah dog!

232 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:59:31pm

Re Cuba: There is an epic commercial for Bacardi (part of a series of at least 2). It is so self-consciously cool that it has it’s own “Making of”.

ispot.tv

233 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 7:59:34pm

re: #231 Killgore Trout

Monkey stole mah dog!

I’ve got grievances!

[Goes back to building puppet.]

234 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:00:27pm

re: #233 Gus

I’ve got grievances!

[Goes back to building puppet.]

Sorry, but today is the 4th of July, not FESTIVUS

235 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:04:15pm

re: #232 Decatur Deb

Bacardi is the only design client I ever attempted to work for (circa 1990) where the client-side contact insisted a 20% kickback to him was the cost of doing business. So no business.

236 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:05:20pm

re: #235 jaunte

Bacardi is the only design client I ever attempted to work for (circa 1990) where the client-side contact insisted a 20% kickback to him was the cost of doing business. So no business.

Just trying to build those corrupt 3rd-world creds.

237 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:05:24pm

There’s a lot of spillage in alcohol marketing.

238 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:05:41pm

Being that it’s still July 4th for at least 55 minutes here, I submit this hilarious clip:

Youtube Video

239 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:06:11pm

re: #235 jaunte

Bacardi is the only design client I ever attempted to work for (circa 1990) where the client-side contact insisted a 20% kickback to him was the cost of doing business. So no business.

Unless you’re in Chicago, in which case it really is the cost of doing business.

/not entirely kidding.

240 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:09:25pm

re: #238 Targetpractice

And I’ll post this:

U.S. Soldier Missing in Vietnam since 1970 Laid to Rest at Arlington National Cemetery (VIDEO)

An American soldier, who died while serving his country in the Vietnam War, was finally laid to rest Tuesday at Arlington National Cemetery. The remains of Army Spc. John L. Burgess were buried along with the remains representing two members of his crew, 1st Lt. Richard Dyer and Sgt. 1st Class Juan Colon-Diaz.

They were part of a crew of five men who were in a helicopter June 30, 1970 near the Cambodian border when they were hit by enemy fire, bringing the aircraft to the ground. The crash resulted in a fiery inferno, claiming the lives of four of the men. Their bodies were taken to a morgue to be identified, but it wasn’t until then that it was discovered that the remains of Spc. John Burgess were missing. Due to enemy presence in the area, the area could not be searched for his remains either.

Although he was presumed dead, his remains were never recovered until years later. More than 40 years after the helicopter crash and after 10 year of investigations and dozens of teams searching the crash site area, Burgess was accounted for using forensics and circumstantial evidence.

Video link:

dvidshub.net

241 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:10:21pm
242 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:11:46pm

re: #233 Gus

I’ve got grievances!

[Goes back to building puppet.]

You’re too late for the progressive anti-NSA protests today. I think this guy needs a giant puppet. Image: xYPkuwy.jpg

243 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:12:26pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

You’re too late for the progressive anti-NSA protests today. I think this guy needs a giant puppet. Image: xYPkuwy.jpg

Oy.

244 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:13:27pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

You’re too late for the progressive anti-NSA protests today. I think this guy needs a giant puppet. Image: xYPkuwy.jpg

is that Anthony Weiner?

245 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:14:15pm

re: #244 sattv4u2

is that Anthony Weiner?

BURRRN!

246 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:15:18pm

re: #243 Gus

Oy.

lol.

247 jaunte  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:16:12pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

You’re too late for the progressive anti-NSA protests today. I think this guy needs a giant puppet. Image: xYPkuwy.jpg

I think he’s hoping.

248 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:16:22pm

re: #243 Gus

Oy.

you’ve seen the picture and know he’s Jewish !?!?!

249 Gus  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:17:06pm

re: #248 sattv4u2

you’ve seen the picture and know he’s Jewish !?!?!

250 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:21:45pm

Earlier this evening I finally decided to try to be a little better informed about the whole Wikileaks/Manning affair, so I watched this PBS Frontline episode from 2011 called WikiSecrets.

Maybe it’s just me, but I had an immediate and very strong visceral dislike of Assange. He came off as incredibly smug & condescending… reminded me of religious fanatics and their certainty that they’re right and anyone who disagrees is evil. The whole Wikileaks thing also seems to be a bit like a business. Weird. Sorta like televangelists, I guess.

Bradley Manning just struck me mostly as a young, angry, screwed-up misfit who wanted to get back at the unfair world (and ended up getting in way over his head).

251 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:27:21pm

re: #250 CuriousLurker

Bradley Manning just struck me mostly an young, angry, screwed-up misfit who wanted to get back at the unfair world

Makes him no less guilty

252 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:27:24pm

re: #250 CuriousLurker

Earlier this evening I finally decided to try to be a little better informed about the whole Wikileaks/Manning affair, so I watched this PBS Frontline episode from 2011 called WikiSecrets.

Maybe it’s just me, but I had an immediate and very strong visceral dislike of Assange. He came off as incredibly smug & condescending… reminded me of religious fanatics and their certainty that they’re right and anyone who disagrees is evil. The whole Wikileaks thing also seems to be a bit like a business. Weird. Sorta like televangelists, I guess.

Bradley Manning just struck me mostly as a young, angry, screwed-up misfit who wanted to get back at the unfair world (and ended up getting in way over his head).

Assange and Greenwald are the same person wearing different skin.

253 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:28:15pm

re: #252 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Assange and Greenwald are the same person wearing different skin.

Only difference between them is that Greenwald enjoys the protections that our society grants journalists.

254 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:29:34pm

NSA doesn’t have a picture of my penis but they can have one if they ask.

255 Kragar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:33:17pm

re: #250 CuriousLurker

Bradley Manning just struck me mostly as a young, angry, screwed-up misfit who wanted to get back at the unfair world (and ended up getting in way over his head).

Lot of that going around lately.

256 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:34:04pm

re: #251 sattv4u2

Bradley Manning just struck me mostly an young, angry, screwed-up misfit who wanted to get back at the unfair world

Makes him no less guilty

Of course not. I don’t think I implied that it did. I detected a certain… cool, calculating manipulativeness in Assange’s manner whereas Manning was all emotion, a guy on a mission. Like the suicide bombers—you never see the bosses who train them going out and blowing themselves up. If they ever suffer consequences, it’s only because they screwed up and overlooked something or whatever.

257 BongCrodny  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:34:15pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

NSA doesn’t have a picture of my penis but they can have one if they ask.

In all likelihood, if *you’ve* got a picture of your penis, *they’ve* got a picture of your penis.

258 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:41:49pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

The line I used is from Scarface, and the movie’s protagonist is Cuban.

Well, I feel dumb now. In my defense, I’ve seen the movie only once.

259 TheSwedish  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:43:52pm

“The movie ‘Idiocracy’ looks more and more prophetic.”

“Nugent ‘16: ‘Ow! My balls!’ “

260 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 8:51:46pm

I gotta say, if you’re a fan of The Walking Dead series, then you need to check out the video game. It is worth the money.

261 teleskiguy  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 9:37:21pm

OT:

262 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 9:38:20pm

re: #261 teleskiguy

OT:

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That isn’t really progress, IMO.

263 teleskiguy  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 9:39:27pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

That isn’t really progress, IMO.

You’re such a curmudgeon! I love you for it.

264 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 9:43:54pm

Over at Slate there is an excerpt from God Bless America: The Surprising History of an Iconic Song by Sheryl Kaskowitz.

Here is part

In The God Strategy, an account of the incorporation of religion into 20th- and 21st-century American politics, David Domke and Kevin Coe argue that it was Ronald Reagan who first made the intertwining of politics and religion a political imperative, and he made copious use of both the song and phrase “God Bless America” at campaign rallies and presidential events. It is a satisfying and intriguing coincidence that Reagan, who would become so strongly associated with “God Bless America,” was the star of the 1943 film This Is the Army, in which the song made its movie debut—in fact, Reagan first appears on screen while the song is playing, during a reenactment of Kate Smith’s premiere of the song on her radio show.

President Reagan’s copious use of “God Bless America” served as a signal to conservatives, sending a message to his evangelical base that he would not shrink from infusing his politics with religion. This was a critical part of what Domke and Coe have dubbed the “God strategy,” which entails maintaining a primarily secular agenda to avoid alienating moderate Americans, while finding ways to signal sympathy for the views of religious conservatives. “God Bless America” was the perfect conduit for such a message. It was a patriotic song that children learned in school, but it acquired new meanings beginning in the mid-1960s, as it was wielded by Christian conservatives in battles against secular liberalism.

Reagan comes in around 4:20 in this clip:

Youtube Video

This religio-nationalism is what the current culture war is all about. The National Religion is playing a central roll in many of the political hot buttons which have been so skillfully pushed.

The Obama-hate arises not just from the color of his skin or the fact that his father was Kenyan. Obama is not a true believer in the true National Religion, and the atavistic right knows it and that scares them most.

265 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 9:44:01pm

re: #263 teleskiguy

You’re such a curmudgeon! I love you for it.

Eh, its just that fireworks inspire people to come up with ways to display the resulting pyrotechnics, and I find that desire to put on a show stimulates creativity. Pot doesn’t have that same effect, and can make people OK with being bored.

This line’s going to sound odd coming from a conservative, but fireworks strike me as more of a way forward than pot is.

266 freetoken  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 9:45:17pm

PIMF “role”

267 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 9:46:20pm

re: #264 freetoken

Over at Slate there is an excerpt from God Bless America: The Surprising History of an Iconic Song by Sheryl Kaskowitz.

Here is part

Reagan comes in around 4:20 in this clip:

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This religio-nationalism is what the current culture war is all about. The National Religion is playing a central roll in many of the political hot buttons which have been so skillfully pushed.

The Obama-hate arises not just from the color of his skin or the fact that his father was Kenyan. Obama is not a true believer in the true National Religion, and the atavistic right knows it and that scares them most.

Happy 4th of July, FT. Sorry, I had to do that.

268 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 9:55:05pm

re: #264 freetoken

What you post is interesting but not really surprising. Ronald Reagan favored using his acting past when it could be deployed to good political effect. His experience as an actor taught him the importance of imagery and storytelling and he used what he had learned to great effect* as first a governor and then as president.

*: “To great effect” is intended to be morally neutral. It’s not my way of inserting ideological praise into analysis.

269 teleskiguy  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:00:29pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

Eh, its just that fireworks inspire people to come up with ways to display the resulting pyrotechnics, and I find that desire to put on a show stimulates creativity. Pot doesn’t have that same effect, and can make people OK with being bored.

This line’s going to sound odd coming from a conservative, but fireworks strike me as more of a way forward than pot is.

If you’ll indulge me, here’s a dead comedian talking about drugs, especially cannabis.
Youtube Video

270 dragonath  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:08:24pm

Happy 5th of July

271 Kragar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:09:10pm

Bolivia’s President Evo Morales threatens to close U.S. embassy

Bolivia’s president threatened to close the US embassy as leftist Latin American leaders joined him in blasting Europe and the United States after his plane was rerouted amid suspicions US fugitive Edward Snowden was aboard.

President Evo Morales, who has suggested the United States pressured European nations to deny him their airspace, warned he would “study, if necessary, closing the US embassy in Bolivia.”

“We don’t need a US embassy in Bolivia,” he said. “My hand would not shake to close the US embassy. We have dignity, sovereignty. Without the United States, we are better politically, democratically.”

Dear Evo,

Eat a bag of dicks, you lying fuck.

Sincerely, the US

272 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:31:02pm

re: #271 Kragar

From the same site we have left wingers yelling at Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s house today. While they are protesting school closings, they advance no arguments as to how a city with serious money problems is to keep open additional facilities that are not truly needed. And several of the commenters got ugly:

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how do Mossad mobsters get so much publicity in murka. and could we be offering prized jobs to a man with a masters degree in dance

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Rahm Emmanuel is a nasty fascist neocon in Dem’s clothing.
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We sure got fooled when thinking that Obama would be a Progressive. He made Rahm his chief of staff and hope and change took a walk.
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See, I told you Democrats were just as stupid as their Republican cousins. Two sides of the same coin and all that. Only difference I can tell, is one side happens to be better at covering up it’s shady business, than the other. But I’ll bet my money on that, come election season, people will still go to the polls and pick either the Blue guy/gal or the Red guy/gal, and nobody will make much of a complaint that both sides can’t help the majority of Americans who are in trouble, one way or the other.
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273 darthstar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:31:07pm

re: #162 Gus

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What color is this shirt?

Salmon.

274 piratedan  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:33:12pm

re: #271 Kragar

I’m sure that the US will rue the day that we ever crossed the Bolivians path with such an intentional unproven insult impugning their national honor.////

275 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:34:31pm

re: #274 piratedan

I’m sure that the US will rue the day that we ever crossed the Bolivians path with such an intentional unproven insult impugning their national honor.

You forgot your /sarc tag.

276 piratedan  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:36:22pm

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

ty DF, mea culpa

277 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:36:37pm

Greetings all. Hope your 4th was safe and happy. My sister and her 2 daughters go home tomorrow to NC. They’ve been coming for a month every summer for like 12 years. Now the oldest will be going away to college next year and they won’t be here. Makes me sad. A happy chapter closes.

278 darthstar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:41:35pm

re: #274 piratedan

I had some blow from Bolivia when I was in college. Pretty good shit. But those days are now decades in the past and I don’t care to repeat them.

279 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:50:28pm

re: #278 darthstar

I had some blow from Bolivia when I was in college. Pretty good shit. But those days are now decades in the past and I don’t care to repeat them.

Iirc, Morales got his start as the head of the coca growers union. You can thank him for the quality.

280 piratedan  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 10:55:23pm

re: #279 Single-handed sailor

Iirc, Morales got his start as the head of the coca growers union. You can thank him for the quality.

so look for, the union label………

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281 darthstar  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 11:00:25pm

I hope Thomas retires before she does.

282 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 11:00:26pm

WTF. This has to be the most annoying (childish as well) political ad in recent memory. Courtesy of Mitch McConnell’s campaign.

Youtube Video

283 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 11:05:50pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

That isn’t really progress, IMO.

One causes munchies, the other forest fires. You don’t live in the West, where a lot of the land is just covered in dry tinder.

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

Eh, its just that fireworks inspire people to come up with ways to display the resulting pyrotechnics, and I find that desire to put on a show stimulates creativity. Pot doesn’t have that same effect, and can make people OK with being bored.

This line’s going to sound odd coming from a conservative, but fireworks strike me as more of a way forward than pot is.

Dude, you’re high. Pot has influenced and inspired countless artists and musicians. Our culture and country would be utterly unrecognizable if it never existed, and this is before we even begin to discuss the medical uses. Pyrotechnics are just a visual display we trot out on July 4th and New Years Eve, if we didn’t have them we’d just build bonfires or some shit (and have more people with all their fingers), they’re fairly inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

284 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 11:34:31pm

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

Step off, Frank. I’m not misbehaving and you don’t need to be so hostile.

And on that note, Good Night.

285 freetoken  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:14:01am
286 freetoken  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 1:56:08am

Bach cello suite #5, prelude:

MP3 Audio

287 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 2:29:52am

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

One causes munchies, the other forest fires. You don’t live in the West, where a lot of the land is just covered in dry tinder.

Dude, you’re high. Pot has influenced and inspired countless artists and musicians. Our culture and country would be utterly unrecognizable if it never existed, and this is before we even begin to discuss the medical uses. Pyrotechnics are just a visual display we trot out on July 4th and New Years Eve, if we didn’t have them we’d just build bonfires or some shit (and have more people with all their fingers), they’re fairly inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

I goddamn love fireworks, and my brother Mike has a preternatural ability to set them off wherever the fuck he wants and suffer no consequences. We set off fireworks in some pretty improbable places, too. A lot of it pre 9/11, but Mike even managed to set them off in a Washington DC park like four years ago and not get into trouble.

But that’s all just fun. It’s not the only fun we can have.

288 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 2:40:34am

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

Eh, its just that fireworks inspire people to come up with ways to display the resulting pyrotechnics, and I find that desire to put on a show stimulates creativity. Pot doesn’t have that same effect, and can make people OK with being bored.

This line’s going to sound odd coming from a conservative, but fireworks strike me as more of a way forward than pot is.

But given the tendency to use fireworks in the summer and the general dryness and “catch fire if you look at it sideways” landscape much of Colorado has during that period there might be some greater reason to make purchase and use of fireworks more difficult.

289 Kragar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 3:26:23am

re: #288 Feline Fearless Leader

But given the tendency to use fireworks in the summer and the general dryness and “catch fire if you look at it sideways” landscape much of Colorado has during that period there might be some greater reason to make purchase and use of fireworks more difficult.

Conservatism isn’t exactly know for its steadfast stewardship of the environment.

290 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 3:54:37am

re: #289 Kragar

Conservatism isn’t exactly know for its steadfast stewardship of the environment.

Depends on the conservative I think. Via my brother-in-law who lives in western Colorado I’ve met a number of ranchers who would come across as conservative by most of the normal ways you judge them. However, they were all very aware environmentally - especially since their livelihood depended on it. And since most were also raising families they expected to pass the ranch onto they were also interested in the long-term care of their lands.

I also note that the land next to my brother-in-law’s place had been overgrazed by the owner and thus was a mess. At that point it could barely support much livestock at all. And what was growing wasn’t too palatable to them either. And apparently the owner wasn’t going to eat the expense of keeping livestock off it, brush clearing it, plowing it, and replanting it with a proper seed mix in order to give it a chance to recover into useful grazing land.

291 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 4:03:58am

Coincidently, last night this happened a couple miles from my house:

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

The first video is up close, the second video is a wide shot from up here in the hills, gives a pretty good idea of the scale involved.

At least 28 people suffered minor to severe injuries Thursday night when fireworks exploded and shot into the crowd during a Fourth of July celebration in Simi Valley, authorities said.

“There was a big boom. Everybody started running down the street. People were screaming,” said Justice Allen, 17, of Simi Valley. “Everybody was just terrified. People hid in bushes.”

Allen said she had just arrived at the park after getting off work when fireworks started flying over the fences and sparks passed by her and her friend.

Another witness, Annisa Wynn, told KTLA-TV Channel 5 that the explosion occurred about two minutes into the show. Fireworks suddenly began shooting sideways along the ground into the crowd instead of up in the air, she said.

I love fireworks too, and haven’t consumed weed in many years so I don’t want to be “that guy,” going off about how great it is. It can definitely wear out its welcome. However objectively speaking it’s pretty obvious which one is by far more dangerous and is the direct cause of actual harm. If one has to be banned, as a nation we most surely picked wrong.

292 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 4:05:03am

re: #291 goddamnedfrank

Not to mention that weed is a godsend to people with migraines, chronic nausea, glaucoma, etc. etc. Fireworks don’t treat much.

293 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 4:09:41am

I wouldn’t expect the water supply to get any better, either.

Experts: Expect bigger, fiercer wildfires in West usnews.nbcnews.com

295 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 4:26:49am

re: #250 CuriousLurker

Earlier this evening I finally decided to try to be a little better informed about the whole Wikileaks/Manning affair, so I watched this PBS Frontline episode from 2011 called WikiSecrets.

Maybe it’s just me, but I had an immediate and very strong visceral dislike of Assange. He came off as incredibly smug & condescending… reminded me of religious fanatics and their certainty that they’re right and anyone who disagrees is evil. The whole Wikileaks thing also seems to be a bit like a business. Weird. Sorta like televangelists, I guess.

Bradley Manning just struck me mostly as a young, angry, screwed-up misfit who wanted to get back at the unfair world (and ended up getting in way over his head).

Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden are reincarnations of parts of Lee Harvey Oswald: the angry, fucked-up loser parts without the ability to kill the POTUS part.

296 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 4:43:01am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

Have you tried this recipe for baguettes? kingarthurflour.com

It sounds pretty foolproof. They have some fabulous recipes and baking tips there.

297 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 4:45:20am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden are reincarnations of parts of Lee Harvey Oswald: the angry, fucked-up loser parts without the ability to kill the POTUS part.

Though in this case it looks like Wikileaks has played them both pretty well to do the dirty work for them. I’m waiting for Assange to appear in a video wearing a Nehru jacket with a white persian cat* sitting on his lap.

* - And in certain books the cat is the real mastermind behind the fiendish plot to destroy the world.

298 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 4:49:34am

re: #296 Justanotherhuman

Have you tried this recipe for baguettes? kingarthurflour.com

It sounds pretty foolproof. They have some fabulous recipes and baking tips there.

Ah, thanks. I’ve been reading TheFreshLoaf.com artisan baking blog. Too many different hints and tips and methods can be confusing. Right now I am just weeding out the processes that DON’T work.

299 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 4:59:47am

You know that idiot who tried to register a bunch of sockpuppets here a couple of days ago? He’s spamming homophobic derp all over Twitter.

300 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:03:02am

re: #296 Justanotherhuman

King Arthur is far and away my favorite flour.

301 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:04:46am

re: #298 Vicious Babushka

Ah, thanks. I’ve been reading TheFreshLoaf.com artisan baking blog. Too many different hints and tips and methods can be confusing. Right now I am just weeding out the processes that DON’T work.

That sounds like Cooks Illustrated. :)

302 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:06:46am

re: #300 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

King Arthur is far and away my favorite flour.

My mom swore by it. That was after years of using Gold Medal for everything.

303 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:07:22am

Good Morning Lizards!

Feels like Monday morning, but it’s really Friday. O_o

About ten people here at work, so I expect a fairly quiet day in the office. Though the European and Brazilian offices are fully staffed today.

The 4th was a quiet day. Stayed in for the most part in the A/C, limited cooking, and just spent time reading, on the computer, or keeping the felines amused.

304 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:11:03am

re: #302 wheat-dogghazi

My mom swore by it. That was after years of using Gold Medal for everything.

I have just started using it because it is to HIGHLY RECOMMENDED but I don’t know if it is worth paying twice as much as Pillsbury or GM.

305 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:12:23am

re: #303 Feline Fearless Leader


About ten people here at work, so I expect a fairly quiet day in the office.

Only two of us covering here (work) since about 7 Wednesday (till Monday morning). me doing 12 hours overnight, the other, 12 hours during the day

(everyone else is ‘on call”)

306 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:14:46am

It’s even emptier here than I thought it would be. I’m sure the place will be totally deserted by 2 PM

307 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:18:07am

re: #298 Vicious Babushka

Funny, but my best bread making experience was the first Italian loaf I ever made, which we consumed while still warm with glasses of red wine. A simple and easy peasant bread, made only w/flour, water, yeast and salt and the most delicious in its simplicity. It was at that moment that I really understood why bread and wine became sacramental, not for any religious rationale, but because they were sustenance, even in their most primitive forms. Of course, I was a bit high at the time, too.

308 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:19:51am

re: #304 Vicious Babushka

Trust me, it’s worth it. Even with the $4 thrift store breadmaker I use.

309 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:20:33am

re: #282 Amory Blaine

So a bunch of idiots sat around a table and rhymed stuff with Allison Grimes and then the genius of the bunch decided to set the whole thing to badly auto-tuned music? BRILLIANT! The best they could come up with is “not ready for prime time” and “repeats the Democratic line”? And they get paid for this? Not only is it a stupid commercial, it’s really freaking annoying too. Good Job!

Someone’s scared, and it’s not Mrs Grimes.

310 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:21:43am

re: #309 A Mom Anon

So a bunch of idiots sat around a table and rhymed stuff with Allison Grimes and then the genius of the bunch decided to set the whole thing to badly auto-tuned music? BRILLIANT! The best they could come up with is “not ready for prime time” and “repeats the Democratic line”? And they get paid for this? Not only is it a stupid commercial, it’s really freaking annoying too. Good Job!

Someone’s scared, and it’s not Mrs Grimes.

Time to unleash the demon sheep.

311 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:24:35am

re: #308 Justanotherhuman

Trust me, it’s worth it. Even with the $4 thrift store breadmaker I use.

Is there any significant difference between KA bread flour and KA all-purpose flour? I have been buying the bread flour but the baking blogs say to use the AP flour.

312 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:27:04am

re: #311 Vicious Babushka

The gluten is the main difference, but I only use the bread flour for some bread recipes.

313 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:27:25am

re: #311 Vicious Babushka

Is there any significant difference between KA bread flour and KA all-purpose flour? I have been buying the bread flour but the baking blogs say to use the AP flour.

Heh. Indication that I play too many wargames. In those, “AP” generally stands for “armor piercing”. So now I have a visualization of baquettes being used as some sort of anti-tank weapon and thus requiring the right sort of flour in order to work right.*

* - Though I note that a thoroughly stale baquette does have some definite weapon-like qualities.

314 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:29:41am

re: #312 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The gluten is the main difference, but I only use the bread flour for some bread recipes.

So a good gift for a baker would be to get them a bunch of flours?

(Hat tip to “Stranger Than Fiction” for a well-placed use of the joke.)

315 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:29:50am

re: #312 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The gluten is the main difference, but I only use the bread flour for some bread recipes.

I use the bread flour for bread and AP flour for non-bread (cake, pie). Is there any advantage to using AP flour for bread instead of bread flour?

316 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:31:25am

Old joke:

Little old lady neighbor, in her garden: What’s your favorite flower, dear?

Baking neighbor: King Arthur unbleached stone ground.

317 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:36:40am

re: #315 Vicious Babushka

I use the bread flour for bread and AP flour for non-bread (cake, pie). Is there any advantage to using AP flour for bread instead of bread flour?

Not an advantage, but it’ll be somewhat different.

318 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:37:03am

re: #317 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Not an advantage, but it’ll be somewhat different.

Different how?

319 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:38:57am

re: #311 Vicious Babushka

I found there is a significant difference, so I always use bread flour. It has more protein, which helps in gluten development, than AP and also gives a better “chew” than AP. If you’re using AP flour for baguettes, don’t, because you won’t get the air pockets you desire in baguettes. If I use AP at all, it’s unbleached.

320 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:42:40am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Hope everyone had a great 4th, and while I was out and about, I couldn’t help but think and worry about not only our folks in uniform overseas doing their duties, but also to the Egyptians who had a revolution of their own that nearly coincided with our own Independence Day.

There’s a whole lot of uncertainty over there, and one couldn’t help but wonder if our own Revolution would have been successful if we had twitter, the Internet, and modern communications informing on every rumor, innuendo, and event as it was happening. It presents new opportunities and challenges, but religious fanaticism is going to be the central challenge.

Tossing Morsi out of power meant not only deposing a legitimately elected leader, but also the Muslim Brotherhood, who had been angling for power in Egypt ever since the 1920s. Their first opportunity lasted just over a year. They’re going to want it back - and the key is to avoid they seeking it by hook or crook. Setting up a new constitution and safeguards to reduce the chances of another military action in support of a popular uprising and bringing in the opposition into the government - perhaps with a parliamentary government may make more sense. There are model constitutions and government organizations that Egyptians can choose from that do more to respect human rights, civil liberties, and religious freedoms, all of which support economic freedoms as well.

321 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:43:27am

re: #319 Justanotherhuman

I found there is a significant difference, so I always use bread flour. It has more protein, which helps in gluten development, than AP and also gives a better “chew” than AP. If you’re using AP flour for baguettes, don’t, because you won’t get the air pockets you desire in baguettes. If I use AP at all, it’s unbleached.

My problem with baguettes is always getting a pale, gray crust and not enough air pockets. I thought I was over proofing, but maybe the oven is not hot enough? I bought an oven thermometer and I will try again on Sunday.

322 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:45:04am

re: #320 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Hope everyone had a great 4th, and while I was out and about, I couldn’t help but think and worry about not only our folks in uniform overseas doing their duties, but also to the Egyptians who had a revolution of their own that nearly coincided with our own Independence Day.

There’s a whole lot of uncertainty over there, and one couldn’t help but wonder if our own Revolution would have been successful if we had twitter, the Internet, and modern communications informing on every rumor, innuendo, and event as it was happening. It presents new opportunities and challenges, but religious fanaticism is going to be the central challenge.

Tossing Morsi out of power meant not only deposing a legitimately elected leader, but also the Muslim Brotherhood, who had been angling for power in Egypt ever since the 1920s. Their first opportunity lasted just over a year. They’re going to want it back - and the key is to avoid they seeking it by hook or crook. Setting up a new constitution and safeguards to reduce the chances of another military action in support of a popular uprising and bringing in the opposition into the government - perhaps with a parliamentary government may make more sense. There are model constitutions and government organizations that Egyptians can choose from that do more to respect human rights, civil liberties, and religious freedoms, all of which support economic freedoms as well.

The wingnut meme is that Obama totally supports the MB in everything they do. NO YOU RETARDS he had to recognize Morsi as the democratically elected head of state.

323 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:45:27am

re: #318 Vicious Babushka

Different how?

Thicker, chewier. Better for breads you really want to have to rip and tear and have texture, not as good when you white a fine grain and softness.

324 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:46:44am

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

Do you spritz the baguettes with water before baking? Are the insides a bit doughy? You might also not be baking long enough, and, too, as you said, oven might not be hot enough.

325 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:46:50am

Just in on the thread.

Scary thought is, there are probably people in the GOP who find Ted Nugent a tad too liberal for their tastes…

I used to have a bit of grudging respect for the guys as a total individualist, but that was before he decided to let us know what a complete asshole he truly was. This goes beyond giving flippant answers to stoner rock critics.

326 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:48:33am


凸(¬‿¬)凸

327 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:48:53am

re: #324 Justanotherhuman

Do you spritz the baguettes with water before baking? Are the insides a bit doughy? You might also not be baking long enough, and, too, as you said, oven might not be hot enough.

I was following the recommendation to put a bunch of ice cubes in a pan under the baking stone, but DOESN’T THAT TOTALLY COOL DOWN THE OVEN? Duh.

I was also spritzing the sides of the oven to make steam but I think that also cooled down the oven.

328 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:50:06am

re: #326 Gus

You could make a case that the rason that democracy exists at all in the world is America’s fault…and naturally we are responsible every time an attempt to establish democracy fails.

329 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:50:21am

We are, we are Bryan! But the wicked evildoer IS YOU.

330 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:50:40am

re: #327 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, those ice cubes and water sprayed in the oven would do that. Not recommended for home baking, IMHO. Some things done in commercial baking don’t translate well at home.

331 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:50:44am

re: #327 Vicious Babushka

I would just spritz the top of the bread, not the whole oven.

332 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:51:15am

Dear Bolivia,

凸(¬‿¬)凸

Sincerely,

USA

333 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:52:26am

re: #332 Gus

In an extended way, Morales is in charge there because of the drug war. He was the head of a coca growers union before becoming president.

334 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:52:27am

re: #330 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, those ice cubes and water sprayed in the oven would do that. Not recommended for home baking, IMHO. Some things done in commercial baking don’t translate well at home.

Especially my Amana oven which can lose 50 degrees just opening the door to put the bread loaves in!

335 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:52:57am


Yep.

336 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:55:09am

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

Definitely check the temperature. You might find that the stated temp and actual temp with the thermometer may be off - perhaps quite significantly. You can check your oven instruction manual on how to adjust the temperature to bring them in line or else rely on the thermometer for baking.

But baguette texture is a protein/gluten issue. AP doesn’t have the protein levels for getting the texture right. Food Network’s version mixes AP with cake flour. They also use a pizza stone to get the crust going.

337 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:57:13am

re: #327 Vicious Babushka

If you’re using a gas oven, you’re going to get more moisture than in an electric. A pan of water will get up to temperature and spritzing the inside will not make as much of a difference as constantly opening and closing the oven door. That’s going to cause far more variation in temperature than adding water in some fashion.

338 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 5:58:11am

re: #336 lawhawk

Definitely check the temperature. You might find that the stated temp and actual temp with the thermometer may be off - perhaps quite significantly. You can check your oven instruction manual on how to adjust the temperature to bring them in line or else rely on the thermometer for baking.

But baguette texture is a protein/gluten issue. AP doesn’t have the protein levels for getting the texture right. Food Network’s version mixes AP with cake flour. They also use a pizza stone to get the crust going.

My last attempt, which FAILED :( I used the autolyse method, then proofed for 1 hour, punched down proofed again, rested the dough 15 min, formed loaves let proof 45 min, everything looked great until I put them in the oven, then GRAY PALE crust and small holes. :( :( :(

I notice that when people complain about this at TheFreshLoaf.com they get a bunch of different answers as to what they may be doing wrong.

339 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:01:23am

re: #337 lawhawk

If you’re using a gas oven, you’re going to get more moisture than in an electric. A pan of water will get up to temperature and spritzing the inside will not make as much of a difference as constantly opening and closing the oven door. That’s going to cause far more variation in temperature than adding water in some fashion.

I have an electric oven.

340 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:03:21am

re: #336 lawhawk

Why mix AP w/cake flour which is 6-8% lower in protein even than AP and is bleached, to boot? That’s defeatist when making baguettes.

That’s the problem with “cooks” who don’t understand the chemistry of baking or are fairly inexperienced.

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:08:08am

re: #333 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

In an extended way, Morales is in charge there because of the drug war. He was the head of a coca growers union before becoming president.

Bolivia has a lot of complexity in its history. The wikipedia article on the country covers a lot of political change since military rule stopped. But note that there have been generally peaceful transitions though governmental corruption has been a massive issue. And the usual issues with differences between populist socialists and conservative social elites vying for power.

And braying about outside interference is out of the standard political playbook. Even the major powers do it.

342 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:09:07am

re: #341 Feline Fearless Leader

Even the major powers do it.

That is the result of outside agitators!

343 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:10:10am

Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon Martin’s mother, just said the voice yelling for help was her son’s voice, that she recognized it since she had heard him crying and yelling on previous occasions.

Now the defense is going to try to tear that down.

344 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:11:49am

re: #343 Justanotherhuman

Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon Martin’s mother, just said the voice yelling for help was her son’s voice, that she recognized it since she had heard him crying and yelling on previous occasions.

Now the defense is going to try to tear that down.

He was summoning other gangstas to come and help him whup on that fellow he was assaulting?

/

345 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:12:00am

DERP

OBAMA WILL FORCE EVERY G-D FEARING AMERICAN CHRISTIAN TO GAY MARRY A MUSLIM AFTER HE TAEKZ AWAY ARE GUNZ!!11!!!!

346 BigPapa  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:15:14am

Nothing funnier than Original Derpster Fischer saying ‘Get Busy!’

347 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:15:35am

re: #345 Vicious Babushka

Obama has wide-ranging powers to compel other nations to do his evil bidding. Muwahahahaha!

Yet God needs millions of faithful followers to pray to get his work done.

I don’t get it.

348 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:17:20am

re: #343 Justanotherhuman

Defense has to do what it has to do. That’s their job, but they could end up alienating the jury attacking a woman whose son was killed. A mom’s going to know what her son’s cries and screams sound like - like if they fall and skin their knee, or even if they get into fights.

Thing is, he’s not the one on trial, and if defense goes off on whether Martin’s had other fights, that might backfire with her retorting that her son isn’t on trial and isn’t there to defend himself against defense smears, and all those other fights were ones where he didn’t end up shot and killed by Zimmerman.

349 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:24:23am

Hmmm…. 45% of uninsureds work for big companies?

Sure, it’s true that according to the latest Kaiser Employer Health Benefits Survey (2012), 94% of employers with 50-199 workers and 98% of firms with 200 or more workers already offer health benefits. These are consistent with the federal government’s Medical Expenditure Survey (MEPS) showing that 96.8% of large firms (defined as workers with 50 or more employees) offer health benefits.

But that’s not equivalent to saying that the same fraction of workers at such firms have health coverage. For example, as of March 2012, the Census Bureau figures show that 13.7% of workers age 18-64 employed in firms with 1,000 or more workers are uninsured even though the MEPS data show that 99.5% of such employers offer health benefits. Thus, when we examine the distribution of the nation’s 27.9 million uninsured workers age 18-64 by firm size, it turns out that 46.1% are employed at large firms.[1]

The logic here is astounding. The companies offer the health care (which is what the employer mandate was looking to expand), but employees opted not to use, which is what employee mandate goes after.

That’s part of the reason that employer mandate wasn’t expected to raise revenues, and why it’s not as integral to PPACA as the individual mandate was (the constitutionality was assessed on individual mandate, the employer mandate was not addressed by the courts).

But it also ignores that some big employers, like say, Walmart, don’t give their employees the kinds of wages or health benefits for all of the employees the way other big employers do, like say Costco.

350 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:26:44am

re: #349 lawhawk

But it also ignores that some big employers, like say, Walmart, don’t give their employees the kinds of wages or health benefits for all of the employees the way other big employers do, like say Costco.

The Walmart business model is to only hire part-time workers, so they don’t have to provide health care. That way TWICE AS MANY MOAR JRRBZ!!11

351 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:27:58am


And those responding are demanding impeachment or defunding the IRS or other parts of Obamacare - all ignoring that the President will veto all such efforts, and that the earliest they even have a chance for doing what they’re demanding is 2016, after this has taken effect and people will realize that it’s not nearly as awful and freedom-destroying as the GOP obstructionists make it out to be.

352 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:28:46am

re: #350 Vicious Babushka

And the latest job report seems to bear out that employers are hoping to game the system by increasing part time employees at the cost of full time hires.

353 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:31:28am

re: #349 lawhawk

In addition, many of those employees are PT and low wage, giving them no incentive to buy into the policies offered at the prices they would have to pay. The trick the employers are playing now is to totally eliminate the need to even offer group health coverage by reducing hours to under 30 for many employees, which would be cheaper for them (if they’re not eligible for Medicaid, which many single parents would be) and which might be a better choice for those w/spouses who don’t have coverage at all.

354 Interesting Times  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:32:46am

re: #352 lawhawk

And the latest job report seems to bear out that employers are hoping to game the system by increasing part time employees at the cost of full time hires.

Just goes to show why tying health insurance to a person’s employment is bat-guano loco. Whatever its flaws, the Canadian single-payer system at least avoids that clusterfrack.

355 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:32:59am
356 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:35:37am

re: #351 lawhawk

We must have a PermanentDelay of ObamaCare before we can realize our full job creating potential.

And that full potential can only be realized by creating minimum-wage jobs with no benefits.

357 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:47:08am
358 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:48:01am


Yeah, the French Ambassador was probably not asked about the French intel programs that are as much, or even more invasive into American privacy, than the US efforts (and certainly do peer into US emails and other communications because they’re not bound to honor our Constitution - only French law).

Spying. How does that work? No other country does it? A whole lot of people are under some seriously misguided notions about how the real world works.

359 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:48:38am

re: #348 lawhawk

O’Mara tried to play psychological games w/Ms. Fulton when he asked her if “she hoped” it was TM on the tape. She didn’t fall for it—she was adamant that it was his voice.

360 twisty  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:50:14am

re: #353 Justanotherhuman

Yep, such was my situation from age 18-27. Either there was no health insurance offered at all, the price was too high, or HR waffled on disclosing what the premium would be and just wanted a signature on a line (thanks but no thanks).

The other trick now is taking on an independent contractor instead of hiring an employee. As Interesting Times said, it’s foolish for us to tie health insurance to employment given how fluid employment is these days.

361 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:50:21am

re: #358 lawhawk

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Yeah, the French Ambassador was probably not asked about the French intel programs that are as much, or even more invasive into American privacy, than the US efforts (and certainly do peer into US emails and other communications because they’re not bound to honor our Constitution - only French law).

Spying. How does that work? No other country does it? A whole lot of people are under some seriously misguided notions about how the real world works.

Jim Geraghty. For a giant police state and spying when there’s a Republican in the WH.

Next!

362 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:50:43am

They lost the key to the evidence locker? Can Sanford, FL get any worse?

363 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:51:18am

Someone ought to be laying off the sauce:

364 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:53:41am

re: #362 Justanotherhuman

They lost the key to the evidence locker? Can Sanford, FL get any worse?

Trial’s not even half over yet.

365 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:53:51am
366 twisty  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:54:28am

re: #363 lawhawk

Someone ought to be laying off the sauce:

Obamanomics: Transferring wealth from middle class to Wall St, from healthy to sick, and from one fast-food worker to another.

One of these things is not like the other…

367 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:54:29am

re: #360 twisty

Single payer would have solved a lot of problems we’re seeing, but there was no way on earth it would have passed given the problems getting ACA passed in any form suitable to the Rs. Too many gaping yaws open in the health care/ins industries.

368 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:55:07am

re: #363 lawhawk

Someone ought to be laying off the sauce:

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Stephen Green. Still drunk.

Next!

369 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:56:34am

re: #365 Vicious Babushka

Because she’s a hell of a lot smarter than her critics? And a blah woman…they can’t handle those aspects at all

370 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:59:00am

Hilarious to see conservatives say Obama is “transferring wealth from middle class to Wall St.” They practically invented that process. Thanks Saint Reagan!

371 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:59:47am
372 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:00:20am

re: #367 Justanotherhuman

Single payer would have solved a lot of problems we’re seeing, but there was no way on earth it would have passed given the problems getting ACA passed in any form suitable to the Rs. Too many gaping yaws open in the health care/ins industries.

There is too much money to be made by holding peoples’ health for ransom for anything meaningful to get done. The constant shafting my mother has gotten on healthcare, despite working two full-time jobs BOTH of which provide insurance policies, has taught me that.

That there is even a concept of making a profit off of sick people is mind-blowingly infuriating to me.

373 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:01:41am
374 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:02:24am

re: #372 GunstarGreen

There is too much money to be made by holding peoples’ health for ransom for anything meaningful to get done. The constant shafting my mother has gotten on healthcare, despite working two full-time jobs BOTH of which provide insurance policies, has taught me that.

That there is even a concept of making a profit off of sick people is mind-blowingly infuriating to me.

There is already profit to be made off of dead people without even going down the Soylent Green route. So a new niche is to work on things a little earlier in the process.

375 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:05:22am

God, Guns & Automobiles

Coming soon.

To the HISTORY channel.

376 twisty  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:05:33am

re: #367 Justanotherhuman

Completely agreed, I was hoping so much for single-payer, but after seeing those massive fits with the not-even-veiled subtext of “maybe poor people just deserve to die for being poor,” I’m surprised any form of health insurance made it through at all. Along with carrying a deepened grudge against R politicians for being fine with human suffering as long as they could prevent this president from getting credit for a beneficial program. Not the first time, I know.

377 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:06:20am

BRYAN U SUCK

378 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:06:55am

re: #375 Gus

God, Guns & Automobiles

Coming soon.

To the HISTORY channel.

Indeed, why not just cut out the middle man and rename the channel “We’re Trying To Be Like Everybody Else That’s Popular Channel.”

379 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:08:12am


Wait! I thought that was Teh Juice! //

380 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:08:23am

re: #377 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN U SUCK

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Bryan, the ACA is being used as excuse by insurance companies to do everything they’ve held off doing for years due to the public hatred that would naturally ensue, only now screaming “Obamacare made me do it!”

381 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:09:07am

re: #372 GunstarGreen

Yes, the vaunted “free enterprise” that’s worshiped so hard which makes big bucks from people’s fears for themselves and loathing of others. Funny, though, how so many of them can’t themselves wait to get on Medicare, but the hell with anyone younger—you’re on your own, kids.

382 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:10:45am

re: #377 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN U SUCK

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The constant attempts by FischFace and his similars to DARVO the war on women is starting to get really old. Even if it were true that wives being dropped from healthcare plans is a direct result of the ACA, they would still have to show that such was a specifically-intended result of it for it to be in the same league as forced ultrasounds and intentional political meddling with reproductive healthcare (as in the case of Ohio).

But that’s aside from the point: companies dropping spouses from healthcare plans has nothing to do with ACA and everything to do with corporate greed. Through all of these hard economic times, how many executives have taken a significant pay cut to help keep their companies afloat?

That’s what I fucking thought. QED.

383 piratedan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:11:04am

re: #377 Vicious Babushka

YEAH, it’s all the fault of the new mandate that young people have to get insurance, I’m sure that’s a direct correlation for the corporate class to kick off spouses as a previously standard employment benefit because it all impacts profit share. Doesn’t matter that well compensated employees are happier and more productive. business CPA’s don’t care about shit like that, it’s ding the employee and raise corporate CEO pay and blame the government, rinse and repeat for the last four decades.

384 twisty  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:17:03am

re: #382 GunstarGreen

Corporate greed, and I’m sure it’s a complete coincidence that this is happening while same-sex couples are gaining increasing spousal rights across the country… /

386 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:19:22am

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

Résumé Shows Snowden Honed Hacking Skills

But we know that he totally lied on his resume.

387 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:20:01am

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

His whistle-blowing skills suck though. And his asylum seeking skills are even worse - and definitely not helped by Wikileaks or Assange or Greenwald.

388 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:20:06am

Coup. No coup. Coup. No coup.

389 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:21:22am

re: #388 Gus

Coup. No coup. Coup. No coup.

Coup coup a choub

390 twisty  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:21:45am

re: #388 Gus

Coup coup kachoo?

391 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:22:05am

re: #389 Vicious Babushka

Coup coup a choub

They can’t seem to make up their minds. Of course, there’s always the safe route of blaming everything on the USA.

392 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:23:35am

Thank Teh JRRB CREEYATERS Bryan instead of blaming Teh Black POTUS

393 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:29:30am

re: #392 Vicious Babushka

Thank Teh JRRB CREEYATERS Bryan instead of blaming Teh Black POTUS

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He means, like Texas?

394 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:30:33am

Lots of reports of violence in Egypt this morning. So sad.

395 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:30:40am

Bryan is totally pulling unemployment statistics out of his ass.

396 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:32:27am

re: #395 Vicious Babushka

Bryan is totally pulling unemployment statistics out of his ass.

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If we abolished Obamacare, employers would immediately and voluntarily employ everyone at full benefits and full time…

397 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:32:35am

re: #390 twisty

Coup coup kachoo?

Morsi is the Eggman.

398 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:35:06am

re: #397 Feline Fearless Leader

He’s the Walrus. Or is that Obama. Who can tell. /

399 Lidane  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:37:05am

Morning all! Speaking of Idiocracy:

Texas Lawmaker: Sex Ed Gets Teens ‘Hot and Bothered,’ Leads to Pregnancy

A reporter from the Houston Chronicle/San Antonio Express-News Capitol bureau caught a Texas legislator arguing Tuesday night that sex education gets previously chaste teens so “hot and bothered” that they can’t even use contraception correctly after rushing out the door to do some unauthorized field testing.

Check out the audio clip of the conversation among state Rep. Steve Toth, R-The Woodlands, state Rep. Bill Zedler, R-Arlington, and state Rep. Donna Howard, D-Austin. The three were speaking just minutes after the House State Affairs Committee approved legislation with extreme abortion restrictions that could cause most of the state’s clinics to close. Rep. Howard was explaining to her colleagues that responsible sex education, including information on birth control, would lower the number of unplanned pregnancies and abortions. Rep. Toth didn’t agree.

400 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:38:07am

re: #398 lawhawk

He’s the Walrus. Or is that Obama. Who can tell. /

If Obama is the Walrus - then who are the oysters?

401 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:39:51am

re: #399 Lidane

Morning all! Speaking of Idiocracy:

Texas Lawmaker: Sex Ed Gets Teens ‘Hot and Bothered,’ Leads to Pregnancy

You should page that.

402 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:40:36am

re: #399 Lidane

Morning all! Speaking of Idiocracy:

Texas Lawmaker: Sex Ed Gets Teens ‘Hot and Bothered,’ Leads to Pregnancy

Because teens would never think about sex unless we brought it up in class…

403 twisty  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:41:14am

re: #396 Sol Berdinowitz

Current longtime client was wringing their hands last year about how they just WISH they could provide health insurance but gosh it’s so expensive and now with Obamacare they can’t hire any more employees because it would push them over the limit where penalties begin and Obama is limiting growth and cry, cry, tears, tears. Next month, bragging about putting in a $20K fish tank in the lobby with $10K of exotic fish and monthly ongoing maintenance costs. Priorities…

404 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:41:48am


405 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:42:09am

Stick a fork in it. The IRS controversy is done (well, it was never really much of one in the first place considering that the IRS job is to administer the tax code as written to prevent entities from getting tax benefits they aren’t entitled to).

Two months of investigation by Congress and the I.R.S. has produced new documents that have clouded much of the controversy’s narrative. In the more complicated picture now emerging, many organizations other than conservative groups were singled out: “progressive” organizations, medical marijuana purveyors, organizations formed to carry out President Obama’s health care law, and open source software developers who create software tools for computer code writers and distribute them free of charge.

“As soon as you say the words ‘open source,’ like other organizations that use ‘Tea Party’ or ‘Occupy,’ it gets you red-flagged,” said Luis Villa, a lawyer and a member of the board of directors of the Open Source Initiative. The I.R.S. feared that such groups were really moneymaking enterprises.

According to the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, the I.R.S. received 199,689 applications for tax-exempt status between 2010 and 2012. In 2012 alone, the agency received 73,319, of which about 22,000 were not approved in the initial review process. The inspector general looked at 296 applications flagged as potentially being from political groups. That means most of the applications pulled aside for further scrutiny in those years had nothing to do with politics, conservative or liberal, just as most of the red flags thrown up by the I.R.S.’s lookout lists were not overtly political.

Chi Eta Phi Sorority, a mainly African-American nurses’ society that advertises its mission as “social change,” applied for 501(c)(3) charitable status on June 24, 2011, days before the I.R.S. tightened its scrutiny of tax exemption applications. The organization fell under a “group rulings” flag in one of the lookout lists. Two years and 73 questions later, Chi Eta Phi is still waiting for the I.R.S.’s Cincinnati office, which handles the tax exemption applications, to respond.

406 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:43:54am

LOL, yesterday my son posted a FB picture of himself & his baby wearing matching USA Flag T-shirts and a friend wrote in his profile:

Al Qeada posing as Gringos. No Old Navy shirt can wipe away the beard muhamed!

407 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:48:30am

re: #406 Vicious Babushka

LOL, yesterday my son posted a FB picture of himself & his baby wearing matching USA Flag T-shirts and a friend wrote in his profile:

I think all the modern electronic social media is teaching me two things:
1. By default, man is not a “intelligent” animal. That takes education and training.
2. Most people are willful idiots.

That aside, I also think 80+% of humans would be live-and-let-live types if the rabble rousers were not constantly stirring up bigotry and hatred since it is useful as a method to gain wealth, influence, and power.

408 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:50:02am

Medical examiner says Trayvon Martin didn’t die instantly, was alive for a period of time, then said he was “in pain and suffering” to which, of course, the defense objected. Having sidebar.

409 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:50:38am

re: #407 Feline Fearless Leader

I think all the modern electronic social media is teaching me two things:
1. By default, man is not a “intelligent” animal. That takes education and training.
2. Most people are willful idiots.

That aside, I also think 80+% of humans would be live-and-let-live types if the rabble rousers were not constantly stirring up bigotry and hatred since it is useful as a method to gain wealth, influence, and power.

The comment was sarcastic, but my son has totally been profiled at airports for Flying While Olive-skinned.

410 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:53:31am

re: #396 Sol Berdinowitz

If we abolished Obamacare, employers would immediately and voluntarily employ everyone at full benefits and full time…

Just like they were doing for years before ACA, except when they weren’t most of the time. This shit he is being a little bitch about has been going on for a long fucking time. Maybe he has just pulled his head out of his ass for the first time in 10 years, same as those mental midgets that are bitching about NSA spying that has been on the books since 2 months after 9/11. Where the fuck have you been since then other than calling me an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer for saying it was an invasion of my privacy to make that shit legal, and telling me “if I haven’t done anything wrong I have nothing to worry about”. Fuck them.

411 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:53:43am

KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT BRYAN

412 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:54:05am

re: #408 Justanotherhuman

Medical examiner says Trayvon Martin didn’t die instantly, was alive for a period of time, then said he was “in pain and suffering” to which, of course, the defense objected. Having sidebar.

Why wouldn’t they object? He’s being asked to state the injuries to Martin, not speculate on what was going through his mind.

413 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:55:07am
414 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:55:08am

re: #412 Targetpractice

Why wouldn’t they object? He’s being asked to state the injuries to Martin, not speculate on what was going through his mind.

That is not speculating…anyone lying there injured to that degree would be in pain.

415 Tigger2005  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:55:56am

Nuge is popular on the right due to the right wing’s desperate desire to seem “hip” and “cool” and “baaaaddd.” “Hey, we have a has-been wild man axe-playing rock star on our side!” It doesn’t matter that the Right used to condemn all rock and roll, including Nuge’s, as the Devil’s music. And it certainly doesn’t matter that Nuge is a draft dodger. These folks are not self-aware enough to experience cognitive dissonance.

416 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:56:42am

re: #408 Justanotherhuman

Medical examiner says Trayvon Martin didn’t die instantly, was alive for a period of time, then said he was “in pain and suffering” to which, of course, the defense objected. Having sidebar.

I assume that GZ called 911 right after he shot TM, right?

//

417 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:57:18am
418 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:59:24am

re: #417 darthstar

And it’s forensic evidence, not hearsay, speculation or some made up story.

I think it’s quite devastating to Z’s defense.

419 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:59:32am
420 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 7:59:54am

I need to get some work done today, BBL

421 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:00:07am
422 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:00:42am
423 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:04:07am
424 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:05:16am

At my mother’s birthday party last night, I got into a bit of a heated discussion with my father. He reads Drudge, Coulter, etc. and was feeling sorry for Zimmerman. I said, “Come on, he was told by police to stay in his car and he got out anyway and hunted down a black kid because he didn’t belong.” That took him back a bit, then he tried to say Trayvon was this big thug. I said, “He was less than six feet tall and weighed about 150 lbs, he was an honor student, and he was carrying a bag of skittles for his little brother.” I then told him there are lots of fake pics of Trayvon on the internet. That pretty much ended the conversation.

425 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:06:24am

re: #418 Justanotherhuman

And it’s forensic evidence, not hearsay, speculation or some made up story.

I think it’s quite devastating to Z’s defense.

Zimmerman picked a bad time to gain 30lbs.

426 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:07:23am

re: #423 lawhawk

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I’m certain that this important update to this BIG SCANDAL will be all over the right-wing airwaves today.


Nah, I couldn’t keep a straight face. Scumbuckets won’t say a damn word. /spit

427 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:08:15am

OH CRAP NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN

428 efuseakay  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:09:35am

Interesting night/morning here in Chicago suburbia. Someone decided to torch three cars in the neighborhood, including the next door neighbor’s. I got woken up around 3:45-4am. Thankfully the neighbor’s car was in the street. At one point, the front was totally engulfed in flames. The only other car I saw was in a driveway with a melted tire and scorched front passenger fender. They got lucky because they park very close to their house.

429 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:09:53am
430 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:10:15am
431 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:12:48am

It was just a small lie, a little embellishment of three words not spoken that nobody would ever be able to prove false because Trayvon’s dead…and yet, a medical examiner does it. Hopefully, the prosecution drills that point home, which would force Zimmerman to take the stand.

432 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:13:45am

Trayvon Martin was right-handed, and there were no injuries to his right hand, and there was no blood of any kind on it or under his fingernails, according to Dr. Bao. This gives lie to what Z said about TM “assaulting” him. He had 2 small lacerations to his left hand, which he might have fallen on.

This testimony is very devastating to Z’s defense, very devastating, if the jury is paying attention.

433 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:15:27am
434 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:15:45am

re: #424 darthstar

Trayvon isn’t on trial and isn’t alive to defend himself because of Zimmerman’s actions. Whether those actions constitute murder is why Zimmerman is on trial.

Too many people seem to ignore this salient fact and the media coverage ignores who’s done what and why.

435 efuseakay  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:16:14am

Did Zimmerman ever announce himself as neighborhood watch?

436 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:16:42am

re: #435 efuseakay

Did Zimmerman ever announce himself as neighborhood watch?

Don’t think so.

437 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:18:41am

re: #435 efuseakay

Did Zimmerman ever announce himself as neighborhood watch?

Nope…and it appears he was the only member of the neighborhood watch program. Otherwise, there would be some colleague of his speaking in his defense.

438 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:19:06am

Kremlin Has No Idea If Former Spy Anna Chapman’s Marriage Proposal To Edward Snowden Is Serious

In a strange twist to the case of Edward Snowden this week, Anna Chapman, a former Russian spy who went on to model in lingerie for men’s magazines, tweeted a marriage proposal to the NSA-whistleblower.

…When asked via email if she was serious in her proposal by the Wall Street Journal, Chapman replied simply “you are welcome to use your imagination.”

Where will the honeymoon be?

439 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:21:03am

re: #438 NJDhockeyfan

Fort Leavenworth is nice this time of year.

440 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:22:40am
441 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:23:44am

re: #427 Vicious Babushka

President Obama’s Trip Sorting Out the Budget Could Fund 1,350 Weeks of White House Tours

442 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:24:45am


Hours after killing Trayvon on Feb. 26, Zimmerman wrote a “narrative report” of the incident for the Sanford Police Department. After shooting the unarmed teenager, Zimmerman wrote, “The suspect sat back allowing me to sit up and said, ‘You got me.’ At this point I slid out from underneath him and got ontop [sic] of the suspect holding his hands away from his body.”

Underneath him. Heh. So why is there no blood from TM on GZ? Hmm?

443 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:24:49am

Prudence Out-Derps even herself:
(I already flagged media)

Assassination is “hilarious”?

444 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:25:59am

re: #443 Vicious Babushka

Prudence Out-Derps even herself:
(I already flagged media)

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Classy.

445 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:27:42am

Sore losers

446 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:28:45am

Anyone know if there’s any defense witnesses scheduled to testify who are from this neighborhood watch? Might be nice to hear from one of those. If I were Zimmerman’s lawyer, I’d be lining up a bunch of those to testify about conditions in Sanford, what Zimmerman faced when he got out of his car, etc.

But here’s the thing about neighborhood watches; the ones I know of usually have two person teams. And for good reason - especially if confronted with a situation where violence may come in to play.

447 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:29:02am

Uh oh

448 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:31:03am

re: #445 darthstar

I’ve seen claims that he’s Seventh Day Adventist, which some were claiming to be a Jewish sect.

That’s no Jewish Sect I’ve heard of.

In fact, it’s a Protestant Christian denomination.

449 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:31:48am
450 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:32:01am

re: #448 lawhawk

I’ve seen claims that he’s Seventh Day Adventist, which some were claiming to be a Jewish sect.

That’s no Jewish Sect I’ve heard of.

In fact, it’s a Protestant Christian denomination.

7DA keep a Saturday sabbath, would could explain the confusion.

451 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:32:06am
452 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:32:54am

re: #446 lawhawk

If I’ve been reading correctly, Z was the neighborhood watch, the “captain”, and there was no organized NW. I swear, I don’t recall hearing about any others.

453 efuseakay  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:35:59am

re: #452 Justanotherhuman

If I’ve been reading correctly, Z was the neighborhood watch, the “captain”, and there was no organized NW. I swear, I don’t recall hearing about any others.

Yeah I thought he was “self-appointed”.

454 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:37:05am

re: #452 Justanotherhuman

If I’ve been reading correctly, Z was the neighborhood watch, the “captain”, and there was no organized NW. I swear, I don’t recall hearing about any others.

Honestly, I think it was just him. He wanted to organize the community into a NW program, but was pretty much on his own, though he did get Sanford police to come talk once. Thing is, would you give up part of a night to drive around your neighborhood?

455 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:37:53am

Neighborhood Vigilante would be more accurate, though the defense might object.

456 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:40:43am

Defense is going after the ME for sloppy work. Justifiably so too. There was so much about the investigation that was incompetent - from the police to the ME to the prosecutors who refused to act.

457 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:45:30am

re: #456 lawhawk

Let’s hope the jury is smart enough to differentiate between style and content. Although he was hard to understand at times, they will have access to any questions they might have about his testimony and then, there are the judge’s instructions on any testimony. This guy has lots of experience doing autopsies (he testified to having done 3,000) but still hasn’t learned to speak English very well. I hope that doesn’t prejudice the jury.

458 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:46:28am

re: #445 darthstar

Sore losers

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Kinda like wingnuts claiming President Obama is secretly Muslim. I wonder if the MB will spawn any birthers…

459 Joanne  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:47:16am

凸(¬‿¬)凸

I love this thing.

460 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:48:08am

re: #458 CuriousLurker

Kinda like wingnuts claiming President Obama is secretly Muslim. I wonder if the MB will spawn any birthers…

IF? We need a new law (like Poe of Goodwin) that states that every event will spawn a new conspiracy theory. The larger the event the more ridiculous the theories.

461 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:52:43am

Bolivia Threatens U.S. Embassy Closing After Snowden Search

Bolivia threatened to close the U.S. embassy as presidents from across the region met to show solidarity with President Evo Morales after the global manhunt for fugitive Edward Snowden diverted his flight.

“We don’t need them, we’ve got other allies,” Morales, 53, said yesterday at an emergency summit of Latin American leaders in the highland Bolivian town of Cochabamba. “We don’t need the pretext of cooperation and diplomatic relations so that they can come and spy on us.”

462 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:54:32am

re: #460 Iwouldprefernotto

Troofer’s law:

Any event, no matter how insignificant, can result in a conspiracy theory about the event’s origin but the more significant the event, the more elaborate and extreme the conspiracies become.

463 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:55:26am

re: #459 Joanne

凸(¬‿¬)凸

I love this thing.

Moar here.

┌∩┐(◣◢)┌∩┐

464 erik_t  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:58:41am

re: #461 NJDhockeyfan

Bolivia Threatens U.S. Embassy Closing After Snowden Search

Bloviate harder, Evo.

(rolls eyes)

465 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:58:42am

MSNBC is reporting that Nelson Mandela is in a vegetative state right now. He had a long and productive life, standing up for freedom and justice.

466 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:59:58am

DERP
I assume that SOS Kerry had comms equipment on board so that he could keep up with the situation as necessary. What did the wingnuts expect him to do?

467 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:00:10am

re: #465 Justanotherhuman

MSNBC is reporting that Nelson Mandela is in a vegetative state right now. He had a long and productive life, standing up for freedom and justice.

We can look forward to all sort of whining when the inevitable occurs and Obama goes to Pretoria to attend the ensuing state funeral.

468 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:00:45am

re: #467 Feline Fearless Leader

We can look forward to all sort of whining when the inevitable occurs and Obama goes to Pretoria to attend the ensuing state funeral.

They would whine if he stayed home…

469 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:02:53am

┌∩┐(◑_◑)┌∩┐

Condi Rice was busy shopping for shoes every other week. Not making that up either.

470 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:03:00am

re: #467 Feline Fearless Leader

We can look forward to all sort of whining when the inevitable occurs and Obama goes to Pretoria to attend the ensuing state funeral.

ANOTHER $$$ZILLION$$$ TRIP TO AFRICA BUT WHARS ARE WHITE HOUS TOURZ!!11!!

471 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:03:05am

re: #464 erik_t

Bloviate harder, Evo.

(rolls eyes)

I’m finding that the phrase: Please Proceed works for just about anything.

THANKS OBAMA

472 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:04:59am

re: #469 Gus

┌∩┐(◑_◑)┌∩┐

Condi Rice was busy shopping for shoes every other week. Not making that up either.

Say what you want about Condi, she had boots made for walkin!

473 Lidane  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:06:51am
474 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:09:21am

re: #460 Iwouldprefernotto

IF? We need a new law (like Poe of Goodwin) that states that every event will spawn a new conspiracy theory. The larger the event the more ridiculous the theories.

LOL, yeah, before you know it they’ll be saying he was actually born in Israel (never mind that he was born in 1945, before the existence of the modern state of Israel), and/or that his father was actually David Ben-Gurion.

475 erik_t  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:11:28am

re: #474 CuriousLurker

LOL, yeah, before you know it they’ll be saying he was actually born in Israel (never mind that he was born in 1945, before the existence of the modern state of Israel), and/or that his father was actually David Ben-Gurion.

We already know Barack HUSSEIN!!!1 Obama has a time machine. How else could he have caused the economy to poop its pants in mid-2008?

476 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:17:31am
477 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:18:43am

Last night I watched another hour of “The Hobbit” movie (I hope to watch the whole thing before I pass away) why did it seem like so many scenes were outtakes from LOTR? Because they totally were?

Didn’t Peter Jackson realize how totally fake all the actors’ makeup and prosthetic beards, ears & noses looked in 48 FPS?

It has been 45 years since I read the books but I know there is a whole bunch of shit in this movie that was NOT in the original book.

478 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:19:14am

re: #476 NJDhockeyfan

Bwaahahahaha!

479 Lidane  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:19:17am

re: #476 NJDhockeyfan

Pro tip: If you have to apply to that many countries for asylum, you’re doing it wrong.

All this flailing around tells me there was no set plan. It seems like Greenwald and Wikileaks wanted the big scoop but they weren’t prepared for the fallout.

480 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:19:51am

re: #476 NJDhockeyfan

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Shouldn’t someone try to “leak” the name of the countries?

481 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:20:56am

Somebody should write a “Charlie and the MTA” song about Edward Snowden.

Did he ever return?
No, he never returned!
And his fate is still unlearned.
He will wait forever
In the Transit Gulag
He’s the man who never returned!

482 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:21:04am

re: #479 Lidane

Pro tip: If you have to apply to that many countries for asylum, you’re doing it wrong.

All this flailing around tells me there was no set plan. It seems like Greenwald and Wikileaks wanted the big scoop but they weren’t prepared for the fallout.

I think for them Snowden’s only real value right now is as a martyr. So this is probably playing out to their liking in the press since it provides continued public interest that they can ride to make anti-government comments.

483 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:21:39am

re: #480 Iwouldprefernotto

Shouldn’t someone try to “leak” the name of the countries?

Secrecy.

484 Skip Intro  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:21:54am

re: #477 Vicious Babushka

It has been 45 years since I read the books but I know there is a whole bunch of shit in this movie that was NOT in the original book.

It’s not like the books needed any additional padding. You’re doing better than me, though. I’ve never been able to sit through any of Jackson’s Middle Earth films.

485 erik_t  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:22:14am

re: #481 Vicious Babushka

Tickled pink and speechless with honor to be the first upding on that one.

486 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:22:16am
487 efuseakay  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:22:31am

Pics of the “festivities” this morning:

Image: IMG_4240.jpg

Image: IMG_4241.jpg (blurry because I zoomed with the iPhone)

Image: IMG_4242.jpg

488 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:22:44am

Wherever Snowden ends up, it will be his ‘first choice’…

489 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:23:23am

re: #477 Vicious Babushka

Last night I watched another hour of “The Hobbit” movie (at this rate maybe I will finish it by Labor Day) why did it seem like so many scenes were outtakes from LOTR? Because they totally were?

Didn’t Peter Jackson realize how totally fake all the actors’ makeup and prosthetic beards, ears & noses looked in 48 FPS?

It has been 45 years since I read the books but I know there is a whole bunch of shit in this movie that was NOT in the original book.

Jackson took a risk on the higher framerate. People just aren’t used to seeing that kind of detail in movies, and most of the techniques for making films was built around that lack-of-detail at 24fps. It’s essentially the film version of the uncanny valley.

There’s a lot of stuff in there that’s from the later-published appendicies, and rumors that he’ll be including some stuff from the Silmarillion. The Hobbit, just the stand-alone book, wouldn’t really have enough material for a full-blown movie — let alone the three they’ve decided to make out of it.

Personally I think it was a mistake to include as much stuff as they did for the theatrical release. The current version should have been the result of an ‘extended cut’ release, much like they did with the LOTR trilogy; lots of world-building and extra bits for lore-nerds, but not necessary to ‘get’ the story and harmful to the pacing of the film for the average moviegoer.

490 Political Atheist  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:24:02am

re: #477 Vicious Babushka
Me too.
That frame rate is pretty new to major cinema. Reminds me of early HD. The lighting/makeup/DP’s had little idea of how to adapt to the new look. It looked better on the big screen through a 4k projector. But edges still look too sharp.

I’ve been reading up on movie history, audiences have to adapt to a new look. Myself, I’d take high frame rate over 3d, but that may or may not win out.

491 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:24:10am

re: #487 efuseakay

Pics of the “festivities” this morning:

Image: IMG_4240.jpg

Image: IMG_4241.jpg (blurry because I zoomed with the iPhone)

Image: IMG_4242.jpg

Wha’ happened?

492 efuseakay  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:24:36am

re: #477 Vicious Babushka

Last night I watched another hour of “The Hobbit” movie (I hope to watch the whole thing before I pass away) why did it seem like so many scenes were outtakes from LOTR? Because they totally were?

Didn’t Peter Jackson realize how totally fake all the actors’ makeup and prosthetic beards, ears & noses looked in 48 FPS?

It has been 45 years since I read the books but I know there is a whole bunch of shit in this movie that was NOT in the original book.

The dinner scene just went on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and…

493 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:25:19am


494 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:25:21am
495 efuseakay  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:25:51am

re: #491 Gus

Wha’ happened?

littlegreenfootballs.com

Had to be neighborhood kids. Everything happened within a few blocks.

496 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:26:23am

The Icelandic parliament was debating about whether to grant Snowden permanent citizenship.

While they were debating, the parliament session expired and everybody went on vacation until September!

HAHAHA!!

497 erik_t  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:27:37am

re: #494 darthstar

Right? This isn’t “I love your country and I would be honored to make it my new home”. This is “HALP, NEEDZ 2 HIDE”

498 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:27:39am

re: #496 Vicious Babushka

The Icelandic parliament was debating about whether to grant Snowden permanent citizenship.

While they were debating, the parliament session expired and everybody went on vacation until September!

HAHAHA!!

I am sure that Snowden expects a special session to be called to hear his request, but fears Obama appearing in person to filibuster it!
///

499 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:28:45am

re: #497 erik_t

Right? This isn’t “I love your country and I would be honored to make it my new home”. This is “HALP, NEEDZ 2 HIDE”

P.S. - PUTIN IZ FROWN’N AT ME!

500 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:29:19am

re: #492 efuseakay

The dinner scene just went on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and…

I kept expecting a food fight like that Robin Williams Peter Pan movie.

501 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:29:53am

re: #494 darthstar

Edward #Snowden has applied to another six countries for asylum. They will not be named at this time due to attempted US interference.

Right. They came up with six countries with which the US is unfamiliar, and which are unfamiliar with the US.

502 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:30:33am

re: #475 erik_t

We already know Barack HUSSEIN!!!1 Obama has a time machine. How else could he have caused the economy to poop its pants in mid-2008?

Well he obviously orchestrated Mubarak’s downfall & Morsi’s outser.

ZOMG, now I see what’s going on—the whole Arab Spring was actually a nefarious Zionist plot to take over Muslim lands!!11!

503 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:30:35am

re: #500 Vicious Babushka

I kept expecting a food fight like that Robin Williams Peter Pan movie.

Hmm. Hobbits wouldn’t waste food and dwarves are too dignified to throw food. Empty tankards and weaponry maybe if sufficiently insulted.

504 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:30:38am

re: #499 Feline Fearless Leader

P.S. - PUTIN IZ FROWN’N AT ME!

If the airport food doesn’t kill you, the constipation will.

505 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:31:35am

re: #502 CuriousLurker

Well he obviously orchestrated Mubarak’s downfall & Morsi’s outser.

ZOMG, now I see what’s going on—the whole Arab Spring was actually a nefarious Zionist plot to take over Muslim lands!!11!

Yes. Self-determination is a Zionist plot. O_o

506 Slap  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:32:07am

re: #304 Vicious Babushka

FWIW, I’m a huge KA fan. Their cookbooks are equal to CI, from what I see.
But apart from the inarguable quality of the product, one of my big motivations is to enthusiastically support an American company that’s employee-owned, does all of their own growing, and has been operating without interruption for over 220 years.

THAT is worth the extra bucks, to me!

507 Gus  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:32:59am

☆。★。☆。★
。☆ 。☆。☆。
★。\|/。★
凸(¬‿¬)凸
★。/|\。★
。☆ 。☆。☆。
☆。★。 ☆ ★

508 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:33:57am

re: #507 Gus

☆。★。☆。★
。☆ 。☆。☆。
★。\|/。★
凸(¬‿¬)凸
★。/|\。★
。☆ 。☆。☆。
☆。★。 ☆ ★

Did something just kick in?
;)

509 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:34:42am

re: #507 Gus

☆。★。☆。★
。☆ 。☆。☆。
★。\|/。★
凸(¬‿¬)凸
★。/|\。★
。☆ 。☆。☆。
☆。★。 ☆ ★

That looks like a leftover from yesterday.

It rained on our fireworks. But 99% of the population over the age of 10 prefers to have rain right now.

510 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:35:39am

There was one scene where they are all sacked out under the mountain, and Bilbo decides he’s going to flounce and he gets into an argument with one of the Dwarves (Happy, or Sneezy) that they don’t understand the concept of “home” because “they all wander around all the time.”

And I’m like all WHOA the Dwarves are TEH JUICE of Middle Earth! And Bilbo is a nasty little Anti-Semite.

And it makes sense now why the Elves hate them, because the Elves are the Aryan super race.

511 Joanne  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:36:26am

re: #427 Vicious Babushka

OH CRAP NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN

[Embedded content]

ALWAYS that shit again.

512 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:36:51am

re: #502 CuriousLurker

Well he obviously orchestrated Mubarak’s downfall & Morsi’s outser.

ZOMG, now I see what’s going on—the whole Arab Spring was actually a nefarious Zionist plot to take over Muslim lands!!11!

513 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:38:16am

re: #510 Vicious Babushka

There was one scene where they are all sacked out under the mountain, and Bilbo decides he’s going to flounce and he gets into an argument with one of the Dwarves (Happy, or Sneezy) that they don’t understand the concept of “home” because “they all wander around all the time.”

And I’m all like WHOA the Dwarves are TEH JUICE of Middle Earth! And Bilbo is a nasty Anti-Semite.

And it makes sense now why the Elves hate them, because the Elves are the Aryan super race.

O_O
WHA?!?

Given that the major plot is the dwarves trying to reclaim an ancestoral home from Smaug you’d think they’d understand the concept of “home”. Maybe not have a good feel for it among the younger set of exiles, but some of them are escapees from the dragon attack.

514 efuseakay  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:38:17am

re: #500 Vicious Babushka

I kept expecting a food fight like that Robin Williams Peter Pan movie.

That would have been more enjoyable.

515 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:38:53am

re: #505 Feline Fearless Leader

Yes. Self-determination is a Zionist plot. O_o

If—as the wingnuts are always warning us—the MB can use our democracy to infiltrate the government so they can take over and institute Sharia, thus creating the springboard from which to launch the Global Caliphate, then why not? //

516 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:40:34am

re: #513 Feline Fearless Leader

O_O
WHA?!?

Given that the major plot is the dwarves trying to reclaim an ancestoral home from Smaug you’d think they’d understand the concept of “home”. Maybe not have a good feel for it among the younger set of exiles, but some of them are escapees from the dragon attack.

Dragon attack=FIRE
FIRE=Holocaust

I am reading WAY TOO MUCH into this silly movie.//

517 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:40:55am

re: #515 CuriousLurker

If—as the wingnuts are always warning us—the MB can use our democracy to infiltrate the government so they can take over and institute Sharia, thus creating the springboard from which to launch the Global Caliphate, then why not? //

And amazingly parallel to all the claims in Egypt that the disruptions are US, Israeli, or Zionist plots. A page from the same playbook.

Color me surprised./

518 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:42:36am

re: #516 Vicious Babushka

Dragon attack=FIRE
FIRE=Holocaust

I am reading WAY TOO MUCH into this silly movie.//

Where do the spiders fit in then?
;)

(Edit: Oh wait, the movie(s) haven’t gotten there yet, have they? I presume the anti-elf comments were verbal since they have not met any yet on the journey.

Caveat: Have read the book, not seen the film.)

519 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:43:26am

re: #518 Feline Fearless Leader

Where do the spiders fit in then?
;)

Spiders = poison = gas chambers

520 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:44:09am

re: #519 GunstarGreen

Spiders = poison = gas chambers

I was going to say they represent Global Warming.

521 efuseakay  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:44:37am

re: #518 Feline Fearless Leader

Where do the spiders fit in then?
;)

GMO!

522 efuseakay  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:45:07am

re: #515 CuriousLurker

If—as the wingnuts are always warning us—the MB can use our democracy to infiltrate the government so they can take over and institute Sharia, thus creating the springboard from which to launch the Global Caliphate, then why not? //

Ironic. The TP is trying this very thing, except with the Christian version of Sharia.

523 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:50:43am

Hmm. A quick Google found some indications that Tolkien was using the Jews as the basis for the dwarves. Though it does look to be pretty superficial. But given Tolkien’s background (early 20th century English academic) that some of this crept in would not surprise me.

tolkiengateway.net

(Note: Just a quick example of a site with a few cites. Not an endorsement of their views since I would want to de deeper research before offering my opinion on the matter.)

524 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:52:21am

Privacy group to file Supreme Court petition against NSA surveillance program

The Domestic Surveillance Project division of the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) announced Thursday that it plans to file a petition asking the U.S. Supreme Court to vacate the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Court (FISC) ruling which authorized the National Security Agency (NSA) to collect metadata on domestic phone calls. According to Think Progress, the privacy rights group intends to file the petition on Monday.

Domestic Surveillance Project Director Amie Stepanovich made the announcement at a Restore the Fourth rally in Washington on Thursday, one of several rallies across the country dedicated to protesting the NSA’s sweeping spying programs and invoke the Fourth Amendment’s protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Here is the letter.

525 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:52:54am

re: #523 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. A quick Google found some indications that Tolkien was using the Jews as the basis for the dwarves. Though it does look to be pretty superficial. But given Tolkien’s background (early 20th century English academic) that some of this crept in would not surprise me.

tolkiengateway.net

(Note: Just a quick example of a site with a few cites. Not an endorsement of their views since I would want to de deeper research before offering my opinion on the matter.)

Tolkien did have some choice words for the nazi censors who asked if he was Jewish when they were about to publish a German translation of The Hobbit in 1938.

526 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:53:27am

re: #522 efuseakay

Ironic. The TP is trying this very thing, except with the Christian version of Sharia.

That seems to be the tactic: Point at the other guys constantly screaming accusations that they’re doing exactly the thing you are, and hope that no one will notice.

527 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:54:31am

Oliver Stone being himself yesterday…

528 Joanne  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:55:36am

re: #446 lawhawk

After reading about how this guy (David Gore) kidnapped, raped and killed several women in FL, and his co-conspirator getting only Manslaughter, I doubt there is any way Zimmerman will be convicted.

529 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:58:21am


What is a Twitter storm?

530 Joanne  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:58:28am

re: #486 Gus

531 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:00:12am

re: #529 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]


What is a Twitter storm?

A tempest in a tweetpot.

532 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:00:55am

re: #527 NJDhockeyfan

Oliver Stone being himself yesterday…

[Embedded content]

I’m really, really, really sick of all the wingnut/moonbat hyperbole & pearl clutching. Extremism SUCKS, no matter if it’s religious, political, whatever—it makes rational discussion impossible, and that endangers everyone.

533 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:02:15am

Oh let me tell you the story
Of a man named Snowden
And that tragic and fateful day
He put a thumb drive in his pocket
Kissed his pole-dancing girlfriend
And went to rat out the NSA

534 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:05:12am
535 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:06:49am

re: #534 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

He needs to just come home and face the music.

536 Shockingly, Pathetically Low  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:11:09am

re: #523 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. A quick Google found some indications that Tolkien was using the Jews as the basis for the dwarves. Though it does look to be pretty superficial. But given Tolkien’s background (early 20th century English academic) that some of this crept in would not surprise me.

tolkiengateway.net

Just no. Tolkien’s work was based on northern European mythology, and his dwarves are consistent with that. (And he stated — vehemently — that he hates allegory, and that any similarity to real events is coincidental.)

(Alouette, he expanded a 200-page children’s book to three much too long movies, there’s a LOT that’s not in the book. And this movie proves that Tolkien is better at plotting and storytelling than Peter Jackson —as did LOTR a la Jackson.)

537 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:13:23am

re: #466 Vicious Babushka

DERP
I assume that SOS Kerry had comms equipment on board so that he could keep up with the situation as necessary. What did the wingnuts expect him to do?

Fine, then the next tea party, gun carrying shits that protest I want fucking air support from Turkey. If we are to police other country’s protesters, then other countries can police ours. And not fucking bitching when they stick their nose into our goings on.

538 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:15:52am

My brother just read aloud - end to end - an “article” in the National Journal (WHICH IS FUCKING SATIRE!) about President Obama dissing the tea party. I had to explain this to him, and now he’s looking at the Onion (which he’s also never seen) to compare.

539 darthstar  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:19:17am

re: #538 darthstar

My brother just read aloud - end to end - an “article” in the National Journal (WHICH IS FUCKING SATIRE!) about President Obama dissing the tea party. I had to explain this to him, and now he’s looking at the Onion (which he’s also never seen) to compare.

Showed him an Onion headline that Bush can’t find decent cocaine after leaving the white house for comparison. He said, “They actually printed that?!!?11ty!”

face, meet palm.

540 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:20:59am

re: #477 Vicious Babushka

Last night I watched another hour of “The Hobbit” movie (I hope to watch the whole thing before I pass away) why did it seem like so many scenes were outtakes from LOTR? Because they totally were?

Didn’t Peter Jackson realize how totally fake all the actors’ makeup and prosthetic beards, ears & noses looked in 48 FPS?

It has been 45 years since I read the books but I know there is a whole bunch of shit in this movie that was NOT in the original book.

I am hoping that once the three movies are released, someone will edit it down to the one 3 hour film it should have been. THEN I’ll watch it.

OTOH, seeing the first part got my son reading the books and that’s no small thing.

541 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:21:40am
542 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:24:11am

re: #536 Shockingly, Pathetically Low

Just no. Tolkien’s work was based on northern European mythology, and his dwarves are consistent with that. (And he stated — vehemently — that he hates allegory, and that any similarity to real events is coincidental.)

You can find a lot of the same mythological elements in the Nibelungenlied and in Wagner’s Ring cycle of operas.

I wonder if the Bayreuth Wagner festival ever staged any of the operas with a “Middle Earth” theme, or are they too purist and traditional for something like that.

543 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:48:17am

re: #524 NJDhockeyfan

Privacy group to file Supreme Court petition against NSA surveillance program

Here is the letter.

Title II: Surveillance procedures
Main article: USA PATRIOT Act, Title II
Title II is titled “Enhanced Surveillance Procedures”, and covers all aspects of the surveillance of suspected terrorists, those suspected of engaging in computer fraud or abuse, and agents of a foreign power who are engaged in clandestine activities. It primarily made amendments to FISA, and the ECPA, and many of the most controversial aspects of the USA PATRIOT Act reside in this title. In particular, the title allows government agencies to gather “foreign intelligence information” from both U.S. and non-U.S. citizens, and changed FISA to make gaining foreign intelligence information the significant purpose of FISA-based surveillance, where previously it had been the primary purpose. The change in definition was meant to remove a legal “wall” between criminal investigations and surveillance for the purposes of gathering foreign intelligence, which hampered investigations when criminal and foreign surveillance overlapped. However, that this wall even existed was found by the Federal Surveillance Court of Review to have actually been a long-held misinterpretation by government agencies. Also removed was the statutory requirement that the government prove a surveillance target under FISA is a non-U.S. citizen and agent of a foreign power, though it did require that any investigations must not be undertaken on citizens who are carrying out activities protected by the First Amendment. The title also expanded the duration of FISA physical search and surveillance orders, and gave authorities the ability to share information gathered before a federal grand jury with other agencies.


Patriot Act


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