And Now, Glenn Greenwald vs. Carl Bernstein

“Out of line”
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In tonight’s episode, Carl Bernstein finds himself on the receiving end of Glenn Greenwald’s scorn.

Veteran investigative reporter Carl Bernstein publicly criticized The Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald on Monday over a statement he made about the National Security Agency secrets that could leak “if anything should happen” to former security contractor Edward Snowden.

“That statement by that reporter is out of line,” Bernstein, who would not refer to Greenwald by his name, said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe.

In a subsequent email to POLITICO, Greenwald dismissed Bernstein, a member of the duo that exposed Nixon’s Watergate scandal, as someone who “hasn’t done any actual reporting for a couple decades now.” …

On Morning Joe, Bernstein called Greenwald’s statement “awful” and “aggressive.”

“With all my regard for The Guardian, which is considerable… that’s an awful statement, and the tone in which he made it,” the former Washington Post reporter said. “It’s one thing to say that Mr. Snowden possesses some information that could be harmful, and that could be part of the calculation that everybody makes here. It’s another to make that kind of an aggressive, non-reportorial statement [that] a reporter has no business making.”

“There are, at the same time, precautions… that Snowden has taken in terms of secreting some information in various places that definitely would disclose more things — some of which might or might not be inimical to the interests of the United States,” he continued. “But that statement by that reporter is out of line.”

Greenwald returned fire on Bernstein in his email to POLITICO early on Monday.

“I realize Carl Bernstein hasn’t done any actual reporting for a couple decades now, but he should nonetheless take the time to read what he’s opining on,” he wrote. “The Reuters article he’s referencing is a complete distortion of what I actually said in that interview. The point I made is the opposite one: that Snowden has been as responsible as a whistleblower can be in ensuring that only information the public should know is revealed, but not gratuitously harmful information.”

UPDATE (8:51 a.m.): Bernstein, in a meeting, tells POLITICO he will be back shortly with “a specific response.” But in the meantime writes:

Re: ‘no actual reporting for two decades,” Mr. Greenwald might want to read my reportorial biography of Hillary Clinton — published in 2008 in Britain as well as the U.S. and around the world — as a starting point. He also ought to take his beef to Reuters, if he feels he was misquoted by any of us who responded on Morning Joe to the specific quote attributed to him.

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518 comments
1 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:11:30pm

Weren’t they BFFs a couple days ago?

2 dragonath  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:12:53pm

Hell hath no fury like a Bernstein scorned

3 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:13:11pm

Oh wow, did Carl start talking about Trayvon too?

4 AntonSirius  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:21:46pm

Greenwald’s mouth keeps writing checks his ethics can’t cash.

5 calochortus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:23:33pm

re: #4 AntonSirius

He has ethics? Who knew?

6 jaunte  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:31:48pm
“I realize Carl Bernstein hasn’t done any actual reporting for a couple decades now, but he should nonetheless take the time to read what he’s opining on,”

Kneejerk Jerk, he just can’t help it.

7 Gus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:33:05pm

Glenn Greenwald is not a reporter period.

8 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:36:58pm

re: #7 Gus

Glenn Greenwald is not a reporter period.

Apparently, everybody misunderstands Glenn because they’re stupid or indoctrinated. So by Greenwald standards, all of us just can’t perceive how reporter he is.

…and that he’s totally not a Bond villain, or possibly some guy from The Prisoner.

9 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:39:37pm

Carl Bernstein is a class act. Glenn Greenwald is a provocateur and an ass.

10 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:43:11pm

Glenn is his own worst enemy.

11 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:45:33pm

Hey, how do I share a document from Google Drive?

12 BroncD  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:46:03pm

So it’s just another day on Planet Greenwald- The place where every one of his actual statements are misquoted, where Glenn can freely accuse everyone of “not actually reading” what he wrote, and where he can question the journalistic ethics of a man who’s worth a dozen Glenn Greenwalds.
Just another day.

13 bratwurst  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:46:03pm

Glenn must see himself as a perfect man…anyone who has anything even remotely negative to say about him is instantly insulted and belittled.

14 Joanne  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:48:29pm

re: #13 bratwurst

Glenn must see himself as a perfect man…anyone who has anything even remotely negative to say about him is instantly insulted and belittled.

No, he instantly insults and belittles.

15 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:52:56pm

re: #14 Joanne

No, he instantly insults and belittles.

He has a rigged chair that dumps blundering henchman into a shark tank, too, but doesn’t get a lot of chances to use it.

16 Wile E. Wonka  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:53:00pm

re: #11 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey, how do I share a document from Google Drive?

Top right hand corner, should be a blue button called “Share.” Pops up a dialog with a link for you to copy/paste, and/or a blank where you can type the email addresses of people you want to share it with. They’ll get an invite.

Note: If you send the copy/paste link, either you have to make the doc public as well or they have to be logged into a Google account that you’ve added to the share access list.

17 Wile E. Wonka  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:58:02pm

re: #13 bratwurst

Glenn must see himself as a perfect man…anyone who has anything even remotely negative to say about him is instantly insulted and belittled.

Youtube Video

18 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:08:36pm

take his beef to Reuters

i’m just gonna consider that a colloquial expression like “carrying coals to newcastle”

or “talking bullshit on fox news”…

19 Gus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:08:46pm
20 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:09:13pm

re: #12 BroncD

So it’s just another day on Planet Greenwald the Stalker Blog- The place where every one of his actual statements are misquoted, where Glenn can freely accuse everyone of “not actually reading” what he wrote, and where he can question the journalistic ethics of a man who’s worth a dozen Glenn Greenwalds.
Just another day.

Changed because that’s who Glenn Greenwald reminds me of. Like the Stalkers, he hates and insults without regard for the facts and even when it is clear he’s wrong he just ignores the proof and keeps right on going. Ir’s just sad and lame at the same time.

21 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:11:05pm

i have nightmares lately of being buried under Bullshit Mountain

22 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:13:00pm

Bailing for the night. Here’s the NAACP online petition to the Justice Dep’t. Would have been happier if they just called for examination, but they cut to the chase.

naacp.org

23 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:16:28pm

Finally, news about the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Special.

Longtime “Doctor Who” composer Murray Gold recently teased that the 50th Anniversary Special might be a bit controversial.

“There’s some really interesting things to say about that but I can’t say them. It’s very, very well directed,” said Gold to Den of Geek.

“There’s a thing they’ve done in it, which might be controversial… It’s interesting though.”

24 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:19:16pm

re: #23 ProTARDISLiberal

Considering that the Season Finale splintered Clara everywhere, including having her meet the 1st Doctor, and introducing the idea of a rejected Doctor, I am not hugely worried.

I love those developments, but they are the height of Controversial among the Whovians.

25 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:20:56pm

re: #22 Decatur Deb

Bailing for the night. Here’s the NAACP online petition to the Justice Dep’t. Would have been happier if they just called for examination, but they cut to the chase.

naacp.org

The NAACP is wrong on this one, IMO. Given that George Zimmerman is not a law enforcement official, to convict him of a civil rights violation would require proof he intended to kill Trayvon Martin and that he acted with racially motivated malice. I simply do not believe that to be the case, to say nothing of proving it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Note: This should be read to say that Zimmerman was right to get out of his SUV and try to confront Martin. But I am saying that there is no firm evidence that Zimmerman got out of his vehicle intending to kill Martin.

26 Gus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:25:10pm

Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me! Stay tuned for the A.T.F. charges……

27 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:28:43pm

re: #26 Gus

Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me! Stay tuned for the A.T.F. charges……

???!!

28 Gus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:31:15pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

???!!

GZ

29 Gus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:31:50pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

???!!

myspace.com

30 Gus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:32:02pm

2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!! The man knows he was wrong but still got this hump, Thanks to everyone friends and fam, G baby you know your my rock!

31 Belafon  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:32:09pm

re: #23 ProTARDISLiberal

I caught a preview of NTSF:SD:SUV which starts up again July 27th. Karen Gillan is going to be on the show.

32 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:35:23pm

re: #31 Belafon

Know about that. Not a fan of Adult Swim though.

I’m waiting for Guardians of the Galaxy.

Karen Gillan is playing one of the main villians in it.

Christopher Eccleston will be playing the villain in Thor 2.

33 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:44:46pm

And it is What the Fuck is Wrong With You time!

Starting with a Floridian jackass who robbed a gas station he had applied to minutes earlier.

34 Joanne  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:44:52pm

re: #29 Gus

myspace.com

Is that shock that MySpace still exists?

35 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:45:08pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

Note: This should be read to say that Zimmerman was right to get out of his SUV and try to confront Martin. But I am saying that there is no firm evidence that Zimmerman got out of his vehicle intending to kill Martin.

Missing a “not” there?

36 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:46:14pm

Holy shit, 1237 viewers for Nash!

Everyone watch him please!

37 Gus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:48:14pm

re: #34 Joanne

Is that shock that MySpace still exists?

One of my thoughts.

38 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:49:24pm

And now a Doctor in Tennessee gave a diagnosis for a woman with back pain of “Ghetto Booty.”

Not even kidding.

39 twisty  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:52:06pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to say the racial motivation at least was there. The record of his 911/nonemergency calls within the past few years shows a very definite pattern of him increasingly focused on black males to the point where he called in a black 8 year old boy for suspicious behavior.

40 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:56:40pm

Very weird scene on Crenshaw Blvd in LA. Protesters marching down the middle of the street, disrupting traffic and vandalizing cars. Ugh.

41 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:57:14pm

And we got the next story:

A Woman set fire in the bedroom while her husband was sleeping there.

Her and the Husband got into an argument over Pizza before he went to bed. He threw Jelly Beans at her.

Only one picture can catch my feelings on this.

43 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:59:45pm

Raw helicopter feed:

nbclosangeles.com

44 Gus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:00:20pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Very weird scene on Crenshaw Blvd in LA. Protesters marching down the middle of the street, disrupting traffic and vandalizing cars. Ugh.

Yeah, that will convince the Florida state legislature.

45 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:02:33pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

The NAACP is wrong on this one, IMO. Given that George Zimmerman is not a law enforcement official, to convict him of a civil rights violation would require proof he intended to kill Trayvon Martin and that he acted with racially motivated malice. I simply do not believe that to be the case, to say nothing of proving it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Note: This should not be read to say that Zimmerman was right to get out of his SUV and try to confront Martin. But I am saying that there is no firm evidence that Zimmerman got out of his vehicle intending to kill Martin.

Corrected. Thank you, HGT.

46 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:05:19pm

And now:

A Man Crashed an 8 Year-Old’s Pizza Party

How damn fucked up were you that this seemed like a good idea, good sir!?!?!?

47 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:05:23pm

Looks like most of these people on Crenshaw are peaceful, but there are some hotheads acting up.

48 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:05:45pm

re: #44 Gus

Yeah, that will convince the Florida state legislature.

Convince them to flip any protesters the bird, that is. And it’ll be blasted all over the net as “evidence of black rioting”. And of course there is the fact that damaging someone’s car for an act which he or she did not aid is evil.

‘Ugh’ is right.

49 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:07:28pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Looks like most of these people on Crenshaw are peaceful, but there are some hotheads acting up.

But the world being arranged as it is, the hotheads will be the story. “If it bleeds, it leads” strikes again.

50 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:07:49pm

This is all from the Radio Dead Air webcast.

The “What the Fuck is Wrong with You” segment. Right here.

51 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:09:24pm

And the Pièce de Résistance:

*Drumroll*

A biking wanker.

52 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:12:15pm

re: #51 ProTARDISLiberal

The best song for this story.

Youtube Video

53 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:12:26pm

re: #51 ProTARDISLiberal

And the Piece de Resistance:

*Drumroll*

A biking wanker.

That guy needs to be designated a sex offender and given hard time. His behavior is seriously problematic and he should locked up for a while to ensure he doesn’t escalate.

54 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:13:20pm

But wait, there’s more!

Oh this will be good

55 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:15:33pm

And, now, an extra special story given by the Co-Host!

Uh oh!

O_O

I’ll leave the headline, and not sleep for a week.

Haifa man’s penis bitten by snake while relieving himself in toilet

A man was rushed to a hospital after a snake bit his penis while he was relieving himself in a toilet, according to hospital officials in Israel.

The man, 35, of northern Israel was bitten on Friday after the snake suddenly appeared from inside the toilet. The man suffered minor injuries.

56 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:16:29pm

A moment of genius from Reddit regarding Zimmerman trial:

reddit.com

57 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:17:01pm

re: #55 ProTARDISLiberal

And, now, an extra special story given by the Co-Host!

Uh oh!

O_O

I’ll leave the headline, and not sleep for a week.

Haifa man’s penis bitten by snake while relieving himself in toilet

I’ve heard of a man’s love life being snake-bit, but this is ridiculous!

58 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:18:59pm

re: #55 ProTARDISLiberal

Only one other time have I gotten the male sympathetic pain response. I usually laugh at these stories.

When this happened. That was covered on WTFIWWY in September of 2011.

59 Gus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:29:28pm
60 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:41:54pm

penis bitten by snake

bonfire of the psychosexual archetypes

61 Kragar  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:49:06pm

O’Reilly: Those upset by Zimmerman verdict ‘simply hate America’

Think the U.S. justice system treats African Americans unfairly? Then you “simply hate America” or suffer a “victim mentality,” according to Fox News host Bill O’Reilly.

After highlighting some of the violence that occurred after George Zimmerman was found not guilty of second-degree murder, the Fox News host said Monday night those upset by the verdict could be roughly divided into two groups: those who hated America and those overwhelmed by a victim mentality.

Fuck you, Bill.

62 Gus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:54:36pm

[Bellamy tells him he’s behind enemy lines]

Oddball: So they tell me. Everybody round here is very friendly. Look, baby, I’m kinda hung up. I need sixty feet of bridge.

Bellamy: Hey, kid, they haven’t got you in the nut ward again?

Oddball: Ah, Bellamy, for cryin’ out loud. That’s the the stinking, most awful, stupid joke and you’re always pullin’ that stinking awful stupid joke. You don’t want in this thing, you don’t get in this thing. I cut you out of everything. I don’t need you. Sixty feet of bridge I can get almost anywhere. Schmuck!

63 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:55:37pm

re: #61 Kragar

O’Reilly: Those upset by Zimmerman verdict ‘simply hate America’

Fuck you, Bill.

he’s projecting

he hates what america has become and he’s obsessed by the idea that “normal” americans are being victimized by “minorities”

64 Ed E. Lishus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:56:49pm

re: #61 Kragar

For shame Billo wasn’t born in a previous century. He should have seen first hand what freedom loving Americans thought of the Irish.

65 Gus  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:57:47pm
66 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:57:48pm

So Kragar, is Pacific Rim worth it?

67 Kragar  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:58:38pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

So Kragar, is Pacific Rim worth it?

If you’re into giant robots and giant monsters, then yes.

68 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 9:59:20pm

re: #67 Kragar

If you’re into giant robots and giant monsters, then yes.

Good times.

69 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:00:08pm

pacific rim job

70 Kragar  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:00:37pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

Good times.

“One, never lay your hands on me. And two… never lay your hands on me.”

71 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:11:27pm

Finally got around to watching Cloud Atlas the other day. And I gotta say that, while good, it got seriously confusing at times.

72 wearysailor  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:11:32pm

re: #62 Gus

Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

73 Kragar  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:12:24pm

re: #72 wearysailor

Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

Take that underwear off your head, enh? Enough is enough.

74 freetoken  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:21:57pm

re: #59 Gus

B37 coming out public after the verdict might be the best thing to happen, given the circumstances. The silliness of such a small jury of twits for a crime as serious as killing someone ought to motivate the body politic into reforming the trial system.

Of course, that should have happened before too (e.g., the Simpson trial), but alas we didn’t get it.

75 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:22:03pm

re: #64 Ed E. Lishus

For shame Billo wasn’t born in a previous century. He should have seen first hand what freedom loving Americans thought of the Irish.

Yeah, but they got to be so Bill is like FYIGM!

76 Kragar  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:24:30pm

re: #74 freetoken

B37 coming out public after the verdict might be the best thing to happen, given the circumstances. The silliness of such a small jury of twits for a crime as serious as killing someone ought to motivate the body politic into reforming the trial system.

Of course, that should have happened before too (e.g., the Simpson trial), but alas we didn’t get it.

Forget it Jake, its Florida.

The sooner its reclaimed by the sea, the better.

77 dragonath  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:35:10pm

re: #76 Kragar

Forget it Jake, its Florida.

The sooner its reclaimed by the sea, the better.

Poor alligators

78 dragonath  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:46:54pm
79 Shvaughn  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:50:45pm

So there’s a protest that turned a little ugly in LA, so expect to hear panicked white people screaming about TEH LA RIOTS tomorrow morning.

80 wearysailor  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:53:04pm
81 Shvaughn  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 10:54:01pm
82 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 11:06:44pm

If you believe the hype:

1. The USA will be engulfed in race riots in every city, town and village, following the aftermath of the Zimmerman verdict.

2. But Snowden and Greenwald will release intel that will bring the USA to its knees, so all the race rioting won’t matter anyway.

3. The addition of Jenny McCarthy will make watching The View worthwhile.

83 Kragar  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 11:12:37pm

re: #82 wheat-dogghazi

If you believe the hype:

1. The USA will be engulfed in race riots in every city, town and village, following the aftermath of the Zimmerman verdict.

2. But Snowden and Greenwald will release intel that will bring the USA to its knees, so all the race rioting won’t matter anyway.

3. The addition of Jenny McCarthy will make watching The View worthwhile.

CHEMTRAILS!

HARP!

ILLUMINATI!

POTATOES ARE BETTER THAN STUFFING!

84 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 11:15:46pm

re: #83 Kragar

The Uterati will fix this!

85 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 11:32:04pm

re: #61 Kragar

O’Reilly: Those upset by Zimmerman verdict ‘simply hate America’

Fuck you, Bill.

I guess those who hated the O.J verdict hated America too huh Bill. Really fuck off asshole. What a twisted dick.

86 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 15, 2013 11:33:12pm

re: #64 Ed E. Lishus

For shame Billo wasn’t born in a previous century. He should have seen first hand what freedom loving Americans thought of the Irish.

No kidding. When he parrots the “America is a Christian nation” crap, he’s echoing the same crap that told his and many of our Irish ancestors that they would be more loyal to the papacy than the US.

87 freetoken  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:42:11am

This one goes out to Snowjob:

MP3 Audio

88 Shazam  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 1:34:25am

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

The NAACP is wrong on this one, IMO. Given that George Zimmerman is not a law enforcement official, to convict him of a civil rights violation would require proof he intended to kill Trayvon Martin and that he acted with racially motivated malice. I simply do not believe that to be the case, to say nothing of proving it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Note: This should be read to say that Zimmerman was right to get out of his SUV and try to confront Martin. But I am saying that there is no firm evidence that Zimmerman got out of his vehicle intending to kill Martin.

What the fuck does it matter what his intent was? He got out of the car to harass and chase a teenager he doesn’t know and when that kid fought back, he shot him. There is no circumstance, no version of events where Zimmerman isn’t a murderer. This kind of idiocy can only come from a gun nut mentality.

89 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 1:44:49am

This is both kind of obvious and outrageous at the same time. Next time somebody tells you that race doesn’t play a role in how society functions, point them at this and laugh in their face.

Youtube Video

90 freetoken  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 1:50:53am

Another one for Edward Scissorsnow, his love song for his master:

MP3 Audio

91 freetoken  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 2:59:24am

The first four episodes of Under The Dome I’ve watched, and I think I’ll give up on it. Interesting premise for a story, but the paint-by-numbers approach to this TV series is pretty stale.

Not surprised to discover that Spielberg is involved in this. Like with Terra Nova, the biggest problem is the pushed stereotypes and rather naked sub-plots, and the formula dialogue. The idea is to just churn out TV shows every season, with emphasis on volume and not quality. Television dramas have become rather analogous to the Walmart-ization of retail.

I’m getting old and crusty, for sure, as I’ve seen to much visual entertainment to be surprised much. However, a good story well told and acted is still worth watching. When watching UTD I get the feeling I’ve seen all of this 100 times before.

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 3:38:20am

re: #91 freetoken

We got rid of our TV at the digital changeover 4 years ago. There has not been a single show that has made me miss my TV.

93 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 3:39:12am

re: #91 freetoken

Did you read this page? It convinced me not to bother watching even the first episode.
littlegreenfootballs.com

94 Jayleia  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 4:08:43am

re: #1 Decatur Deb

I think you might be thinking of the other half of the Woodward & Bernstein duo, who’s more famous now for writing down the Beltway Conventional Wisdom in doorstop format.

95 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 4:10:25am

DERPx2

96 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 4:22:01am

Ravens are smart. And cranky.

Youtube Video

97 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 4:26:12am

DERP MORNING!

98 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:05:55am

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

That’s kinda blatant isn’t it? Heartbreaking too. I have to say, this whole George Zimmerman: Murderer thing has really sorted out some people for me. It’s kind of astounding how many racist people I know. It also shows me how isolated my life is here in suburbia. I knew that of course, but I’ve never really thought about it much til recently.

I wonder though, what happened to the guy at the end who rolled right past his wife and offered to help the pretty blonde girl stealing the bike? Heh. Hopefully he was assigned to the couch for a few nights.

99 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:07:57am

re: #97 Vicious Babushka

Oh Glenn, how can we miss you if you won’t go away?

100 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:14:08am

DERP
How much could Trayvon have “beat on him” if he just stayed in his freaking car?

101 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:25:25am
102 twisty  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:25:57am

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

This idea that you should get to kill someone for punching you is so much more popular than I thought it was. Putting this down on the long list called: Well That’s Worrying.

103 Flounder  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:37:25am

The oy of sex! Kosher lube a blessing for religious Jews
Trigg Laboratories announced yesterday that the Rabbinical Council of California had certified 95 percent of its “Wetâ€-brand products as kosher after an intensive, two-year review.

nypost.com

“Just give me some KY jelly just south of my belly!”

Sorry, to early?!
Too tacky?
morning!

104 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:45:14am

re: #103 Flounder

Sorry, not in the mood.

105 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:54:56am
106 Flounder  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:55:33am

re: #96 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

That was awesome!
Did you see the dog laying right there?

107 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:06:09am

re: #61 Kragar

O’Reilly: Those upset by Zimmerman verdict ‘simply hate America’

Fuck you, Bill.

I guess Ta-Nehisi Coates doesn’t hate America then, according to dumbass Uncle Bill. Coates says the verdict was correct.

FWIW, Coates’ essay is the best thing I’ve seen written about the Martin killing.

108 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:07:20am

Mornin’ everyone…wow, that book deal didn’t last long.

109 steve_davis  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:07:55am

re: #101 Vicious Babushka

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110 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:08:53am

re: #108 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone…wow, that book deal didn’t last long.

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111 Flounder  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:09:29am

Dammit I gotta work.

Quick story and then I gotta go:

About a week ago my computer stopped getting wireless signals, so I couldn’t connect to the innertubes.

Confident that I received a virus, went thru my routine, going back to previous setting (WIN XP Pro here) yada, yada, yada.

Nothing worked, ended up wiping my hard drive and re-installing Win XP.

Still no wireless, but I could plug in the cat5.

This morning I am staring at the little icons that start up when the computer reboots, wlan is off, bluetooth off. How do I turn them back on?! My work laptop has a switch right on the front, but not this one doesn’t, or so I thought.

Google is your friend! it’s the “I” button!!!!!!

I had this laptop for ten years, I didn’t know you could push a button and turn your wireless off, now I know. I’m blaming the children!

Now it’s official, I am a few sammiches short of a picnic! Why am I always the last to know?!

112 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:10:00am

re: #95 geoffm33

DERPx2

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So I guess it’s an article of wingnut faith now that there’s been widespread racial unrest as a result of the Zimmerman acquittal. Given that Bozell’s typical audience probably lives in communities that are 95% white and would piss themselves in terror if they ever got off the interstate in the “wrong” part of town, I can see how it could be easy to convince these people of such nonsense. Has Fox News played any “live” video of the 1992 LA Riots yet?

113 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:10:47am

re: #94 Jayleia

I think you might be thinking of the other half of the Woodward & Bernstein duo, who’s more famous now for writing down the Beltway Conventional Wisdom in doorstop format.

Woodward has checked in on it more, but pretty sure I saw some support from Bernstein as well.

114 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:12:01am

re: #105 lawhawk

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I can see Geller and Spencer now: once they make sure that they’ve deleted all the approving links they’ve made to this guy’s website over the years, they’ll start accusing him of being a jihadi.

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115 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:13:49am

re: #105 lawhawk

“Norwegian neo-Nazi black metal rocker” is, however, a descriptor that does roll off the tongue quite nicely.

116 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:15:47am

re: #112 Ian G.

So I guess it’s an article of wingnut faith now that there’s been widespread racial unrest as a result of the Zimmerman acquittal. Given that Bozell’s typical audience probably lives in communities that are 95% white and would piss themselves in terror if they ever got off the interstate in the “wrong” part of town, I can see how it could be easy to convince these people of such nonsense. Has Fox News played any “live” video of the 1992 LA Riots yet?

I just caught up on it today: when they pawned off the 2011 Vancouver riots (hockey riots, c’mon man) as Miami. Best tweet I saw was “Uh, there are no mountains in Miami”.

EDIT: “They” is a loose term, I didn’t actually see Fox or anyone else play the video, just a viral youtube clip being tweeted about.

117 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:19:12am

Some real dumb Derp coming from this Twitwit:

118 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:21:13am
119 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:23:07am

re: #116 geoffm33

I just caught up on it today: when they pawned off the 2011 Vancouver riots (hockey riots, c’mon man) as Miami. Best tweet I saw was “Uh, there are no mountains in Miami”.

Vancouver as Miami? It’s like they’re not even trying anymore. One could probably pretty easily pass Vancouver off as Seattle and pretend that the godless lib’ruls of that city are rioting, right? Maybe Seattle doesn’t work well because it’s not exactly well-known as an African-American cultural mecca. You need a city like Miami, which should be well-known to even the dimmest Fox News viewer (but I repeat myself) as a place where all those scary hippity-hoppity guys hang out with that basketball team, in order to get the appropriate level of race-baiting.

120 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:23:46am

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

A twitwit and a troubled heart. Who is our supposed “hero” of which she speaks?

121 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:24:26am

re: #120 Bulworth

A twitwit and a troubled heart. Who is our supposed “hero” of which she speaks?

It’s Trayvon.

122 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:24:56am

re: #112 Ian G.

The Zimmerman verdict actually caused the 1992 riots. //

123 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:25:01am

IT’S OFFICIAL!

124 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:25:51am

re: #123 Vicious Babushka

IT’S OFFICIAL!

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Confirmed. Fact.

125 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:26:10am

re: #122 Bulworth

The Zimmerman verdict actually caused the 1992 riots. //

I’m still waiting for someone to try to pass off video of those riots as a video of “LA rioting over Trayvon”. I imagine it will happen sooner or later.

Morning Lizardim.

126 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:26:41am

re: #123 Vicious Babushka

IT’S OFFICIAL!

Okay, I’m going to ask. #LNYHBT? The heck is that?

127 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:26:44am

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

And I guess our 2012 hero is Sandra Fluke? What war on women? /

No free stuffs and no birth control pills/abortions for slutz!!

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:27:02am
129 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:27:31am

re: #121 Vicious Babushka

It’s Trayvon.

Not quite. It’s Wingnut Trayvon, the drug-addicted thug who beats innocent men up. He’s like Wingut Jesus, who hates gays, wants aid to the poor slashed, and the US to bomb the shit out of countries like Iran. Or Wingnut Thomas Jefferson, that pious fundamentalist Christian who warned us against universal healthcare and intended the Bill of Rights to apply only to Christians.

130 twisty  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:27:34am

re: #122 Bulworth

The Zimmerman verdict actually caused the 1992 riots. //

They hopped in the time machine Obama used to start wrecking the economy before he was president, obviously! That darn liberal time machine just causes all kinds of problems.

131 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:27:39am

re: #126 thedopefishlives

Okay, I’m going to ask. #LNYHBT? The heck is that?

A hashtag that attracts even dumber dumbasses than TGDN.

132 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:27:57am

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

A hashtag that attracts even dumber dumbasses than TGDN.

I gathered that. I was wondering what it stood for.

133 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:28:32am

re: #119 Ian G.

Here it is, someone just reposted a Vancouver video with a Miami title.

Youtube Video

134 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:28:34am

re: #123 Vicious Babushka

IT’S OFFICIAL!

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How soon before Fox shows footage of Cairo and claims it’s actually DC?

135 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:28:50am

re: #129 Ian G.

Not quite. It’s Wingnut Trayvon, the drug-addicted thug who beats innocent men up. He’s like Wingut Jesus, who hates gays, wants aid to the poor slashed, and the US to bomb the shit out of countries like Iran. Or Wingnut Thomas Jefferson, that pious fundamentalist Christian who warned us against universal healthcare and intended the Bill of Rights to apply only to Christians.

Don’t forget Wingnut Washington, who famously said “A People Should Be Armed, In Case They Need To Attack Their Own Government”

136 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:29:12am

re: #129 Ian G.

Not quite. It’s Wingnut Trayvon, the drug-addicted thug who beats innocent men up. He’s like Wingut Jesus, who hates gays, wants aid to the poor slashed, and the US to bomb the shit out of countries like Iran. Or Wingnut Thomas Jefferson, that pious fundamentalist Christian who warned us against universal healthcare and intended the Bill of Rights to apply only to Christians.

I do not like any of these wingnut characters. They are scary. How do these people live in this kind of fantasy reality? They can’t be very happy.

137 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:29:16am

re: #102 twisty

This idea that you should get to kill someone for punching you is so much more popular than I thought it was.

It’s the latest in-thing. You’re not a real Man or real Murican if you haven’t killed anyone for punching you./

138 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:29:25am
139 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:29:56am
140 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:30:08am

re: #132 thedopefishlives

Look Now, You Hate Blacks Too?!?!?! //

141 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:30:32am

re: #132 thedopefishlives

I gathered that. I was wondering what it stood for.

Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled. It’s apparently a Hannity thing.

142 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:30:45am

re: #140 geoffm33

Look Now, You Hate Blacks Too?!?!?! //

I like that version better, heh. But I did finally figure out what it stands for, and for the record - it royally pisses me off. Bible abusers make me extremely angry.

143 122 Year Old Obama  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:31:05am

re: #132 thedopefishlives

Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled.

144 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:31:45am

re: #126 thedopefishlives

Okay, I’m going to ask. #LNYHBT? The heck is that?

It appears to be a Sean Hannity fan club. “Let not your heart be troubled” (in other words, embrace your racism).

145 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:32:53am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

I suspect this isn’t over yet. Some other publisher will no doubt emerge. At worst she could always try to self-publish later so that TROOF gets out. Because Freedom.

146 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:32:57am

re: #144 darthstar

It appears to be a Sean Hannity fan club. “Let not your heart be troubled” (in other words, embrace your racism).

For a group with a credo of LNYHBT, they sure do let their hearts be troubled over a ton of shit.

147 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:33:18am

re: #146 geoffm33

Yeah, it’s a tag full of irony.

148 twisty  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:34:39am

re: #147 Bulworth

Yeah, it’s a tag full of irony.

Yes, I highly doubt the original speaker of the quote would particularly like any of the thoughts #LNYHBT gets attached to these days.

149 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:35:24am

re: #108 darthstar

This is gonna rocket up the Wingnut Victimization Persecution charts like crazy.

150 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:37:07am

re: #148 twisty

Yes, I highly doubt the original speaker of the quote would particularly like any of the thoughts #LNYHBT gets attached to these days.

No, probably not. But remember, Wingnut Jesus.

151 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:37:14am

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

I wonder why Zimm didn’t just hit Martin with his gun if he was on the losing end of a fight? Seems that would have been just as easy to do as shoot him.

152 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:37:39am

Prudence is spamming this over and over, thinks it protects her from being called a racist.

153 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:38:03am

re: #147 Bulworth

Yeah, it’s a tag full of irony.

Especially when you consider the original source of the quote:

biblegateway.com

154 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:39:27am

As for Dr. Ben, he’s enjoying his 15 minutes of wingnut fame, but there will come a time when he will step one toe over the line and get tossed in the BRINO pile with Colin Powell and Condi Rice.

155 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:39:49am
156 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:39:51am

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

Prudence is spamming this over and over, thinks it protects her from being called a racist.

HAY LOOK SUM BLACK DUDE SEZ WHITE LIBRULS ARE RACIST! THAT MEANS I’M NOT RACIST!

157 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:43:07am
Re: ‘no actual reporting for two decades,” Mr. Greenwald might want to read my reportorial biography of Hillary Clinton — published in 2008 in Britain as well as the U.S. and around the world — as a starting point.

His book on Hillary is actually quite good.

158 piratedan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:43:12am

LNYHBT also sounds like it was ripped off from Galadriel’s speech to the Fellowship of the Nine post their escape of Moria and the loss of Gandalf, but that’s just my inner Hobbit getting its freak on. Although any parallels to this modern political environment are tenuous at best.

159 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:44:05am
160 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:44:53am

re: #158 piratedan

LNYHBT also sounds like it was ripped off from Galadriel’s speech to the Fellowship of the Nine post their escape of Moria and the loss of Gandalf, but that’s just my inner Hobbit getting its freak on. Although any parallels to this modern political environment is tenuous at best.

In a well-run Middle Earth, Hannity would be wearing a loincloth and eating slugs by now.

161 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:46:17am
162 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:46:21am

Meanwhile, the Panamanians have seized a ship headed for North Korea from Cuba apparently carrying weapons and missile parts.

Speaking to Radio Panama, President Ricardo Martinelli said the captain of the ship tried to kill himself after officials began searching the consignment of sugar.
The vessel — identified by Lloyd’s List Intelligence as the Chong Chon Gang — was heading for the Panama Canal when it was stopped. It was then taken to the port of Manzanillo to be searched.

“We suspected that it was carrying drugs and we brought it to port and we started verifying everything that was on the ship,” Martinelli said. “We started disembarking the sugar and found some containers that we believe are carrying sophisticated missile equipment.”

He said that the ship was being held while a “more thorough investigation” was carried out.

They’ve released a photo showing missile components that were hidden among sugar stores.

Someone has been a very very very bad boy.

163 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:49:20am


I give him a few more weeks and Greenwald will be calling him a political prisoner.

164 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:50:12am

Heh…

165 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:51:24am

Refresh for bonus tweet in previous comment.

166 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:51:38am

re: #164 darthstar

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Ted Nugent can cover the dates.

167 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:51:39am

re: #163 darthstar

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I give him a few more weeks and Greenwald will be calling him a political prisoner.

The longer Snowden stays in Transit Gulag, the more attention Greenwald enjoys and the more money Assange can scam for himself. If Snowden ever gets released to some third world shithole, they will lose their cash cow.

Meanwhile if Snowden does get released to some third world shithole, he’s not going to find a $62/hr job so easily.

168 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:52:28am

re: #164 darthstar

Censorship!! What about our First Amendment rights?!!11? Political Correctness!!!!

169 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:53:28am

re: #166 Decatur Deb

The Nuge apparently had some very thoughtful and balanced comments regarding Travon Martin and the outcome of the trial. //

170 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:56:15am

My nephew is staying with my parents for a week during summer vacation. Dad discovered Drudge & Coulter a few years ago after he retired and has gone full wingnut. Looks like my nephew is seeing the forest for the trees. He just posted this on facebook.

Grandpa: hey betty wanna here something

Grandma: what?

Grandpa gives some right wing lecture

Grandma: guess what?

Grandpa: what?

Grandma: no one cares!!

171 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:56:26am

re: #162 lawhawk

Meanwhile, the Panamanians have seized a ship headed for North Korea from Cuba apparently carrying weapons and missile parts.

They’ve released a photo showing missile components that were hidden among sugar stores.

Someone has been a very very very bad boy.

So where did the “sophisticated” missile components come from? I’m guessing not directly from Cuba. Are the Russians using Cuba as a middle man?

I guess we’ll find out more. Good for Panama in catching this.

172 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:04:57am
173 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:06:20am

DU has always been the Free Republic of the left.

174 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:06:35am

re: #163 darthstar

Snowden’s hoping Putin’ him on the Ritz. But the reality is going to be so much more drab.

175 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:08:22am

re: #171 Ian G.

Cuba is probably getting them from any number of sources. Could be Russia, China, Venezuela, or Iran.

Heck, they could have come via Venezuela, who was itself a middle man for Iran, China, Russia, or even Syria. Trying to source back those items is going to be tough.

More importantly, is that while they captured this one boat, how many more shipments got through undetected. That’s always been a major concern in proliferation.

176 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:12:57am
177 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:13:21am
178 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:15:28am

re: #175 lawhawk

Cuba is probably getting them from any number of sources. Could be Russia, China, Venezuela, or Iran.

Heck, they could have come via Venezuela, who was itself a middle man for Iran, China, Russia, or even Syria. Trying to source back those items is going to be tough.

More importantly, is that while they captured this one boat, how many more shipments got through undetected. That’s always been a major concern in proliferation.

Gee, Cuba (and most of Latin America) as a middleman for the rest of the world’s power players. Who ever would have imagined that.///

179 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:16:02am

re: #176 darthstar

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180 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:18:02am

re: #174 lawhawk

Snowden’s hoping Putin’ him on the Ritz. But the reality is going to be so much more drab.

Seriously, I can’t stand to be in an airport for more than two or three hours…and on the occasions when I’ve had six-seven hour delays, it’s driven me up the fucking walls. I can’t imagine staying in the same building for two weeks. I’d be having conversations with myself in the bathroom stalls for entertainment by now.

If Putin does this right, and Obama seems to be fine with the slow road, Snowden will be begging to be sent back to the US by Thanksgiving.

181 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:18:03am

Random thought: I’m listening to Beastie Boy’s ‘Check Your Head’ and I bet they regret sampling Ted Nugent for ‘The Biz vs The Nuge’

182 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:19:43am
183 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:19:51am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

Why are Republicans like Dewhurst so concerned with the current protocol in the state’s abortion clinics? Is there significant evidence that women are in danger when they visit one of the dozens of clinics that will likely be unable to comply with the new, tighter standards?

No. At least not according to state health officials, who have testified at the ongoing legislative hearings on the proposed anti-abortion legislation and confirmed that there are “no current safety concerns with abortion clinics in the state.”

My surprise. Let me show you it.

184 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:22:09am

Saw my first “Snowden is a hero” FB link. Been pretty good so far in that few of my FB friends have been that supportive of that meme.

Also very little on the Zimmerman trial. Though I expect a few of the Jesus nuts might post something about it being God’s will or something.

Best remark/discussion about that I’ve seen is one where some protest footage (not sure it was accurate footage mind you) included the burning of a US flag. The poster railed on this in that it was disrespectful of the flag and country while also explicitly recognizing that it should still be legal for them to do so.

185 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:25:55am

re: #182 Vicious Babushka

COOPER: Why do you think George Zimmerman found Trayvon Martin suspicious then?

JUROR: Because he (Martin) was cutting through the back, it was raining. He said he was looking in houses as he was walking down the road. Kind of just not having a purpose to where he was going. He was stopping and starting. But I mean, that’s George’s rendition of it, but I think the situation where Trayvon got into him being late at night, dark at night, raining, and anybody would think anybody walking down the road stopping and turning and looking, if that’s exactly what happened, is suspicious. And George said that he didn’t recognize who he was.

I hadn’t heard this before. So Martin was walking on the sidewalk but supposedly “cutting through the back”, “looking into houses”? /

JUROR: No, I think he just profiled him because he was the neighborhood watch, and he profiled anyone who came in acting strange. I think it was just circumstances happened that he saw Trayvon at the exact time that he thought he was suspicious.

Hmmm. Circumstances… /

186 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:29:17am

re: #182 Vicious Babushka

I wish Cooper had asked the juror about Zimmerman’s references to “those people always getting away”. Not sure what the exact quote was.

187 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:29:31am

I used to be in favor of Puerto Rico becoming a state but then I got this christmas card from the Mayor of San Juan and now I just don’t know.

Image: KRH14.jpg

188 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:30:55am

re: #185 Bulworth

I think it was just circumstances happened that he saw Trayvon at the exact time that he thought he was suspicious.

What does she even mean by this? I know what it sounds like, but what was she actually trying to say? It doesn’t even make sense.

189 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:30:59am

re: #187 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I used to be in favor of Puerto Rico becoming a state but then I got this christmas card from the Mayor of San Juan and now I just don’t know.

Image: KRH14.jpg

WHUT?

190 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:31:28am

re: #187 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I used to be in favor of Puerto Rico becoming a state but then I got this christmas card from the Mayor of San Juan and now I just don’t know.

Image: KRH14.jpg

That is disturbing in so many ways.

191 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:31:48am

re: #188 geoffm33

What does she even mean by this? I know what it sounds like, but what was she actually trying to say? It doesn’t even make sense.

I can see from her interview that she just does not have the chops for this book writing stuff.

192 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:32:30am

re: #189 Vicious Babushka

I really don’t know. Maybe the photographer had just left those there and they were too polite to say anything.

193 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:33:17am

re: #187 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I used to be in favor of Puerto Rico becoming a state but then I got this christmas card from the Mayor of San Juan and now I just don’t know.

Image: KRH14.jpg

Aw…their kitty cat is playing with their gazelle…how cute!

194 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:33:54am

re: #191 Vicious Babushka

It’s more of a matter whether the ghost writer could interpret her ramblings.

195 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:34:39am

re: #187 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

That’s just one of a series in 2011. The photos were apparently meant to highlight a San Juan wildlife museum for tourism purposes.

196 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:37:46am

Oh look what McDonald’s put out:

McDonalds Tells Workers To Budget By Getting A Second Job And Turning Off Their Heat

McDonalds has partnered with Visa to launch a website to help its low-wage workers making an average $8.25 an hour to budget. But while the site is clearly meant to illustrate that McDonalds workers should be able to live on their meager wages, it actually underscores exactly how hard it is for a low-paid fast food worker to get by.

The site includes a sample“‘budget journal” for McDonalds’ employees that offers a laughably inaccurate view of what it’s like to budget on a minimum wage job. Not only does the budget leave a spot open for “second job,” it also gives wholly unreasonable estimates for employees’ costs: $20 a month for health care, $0 for heating, and $600 a month for rent. It does not include any budgeted money for food or clothing.

197 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:40:12am

re: #196 ProTARDISLiberal

Oh look what McDonald’s put out:

McDonalds Tells Workers To Budget By Getting A Second Job And Turning Off Their Heat

Does it include in the budget all the fees that Visa will charge for using the debit card?

198 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:40:14am

re: #196 ProTARDISLiberal

It also apparently tells its workers not to live in major metro areas (like NYC, where the average rent is well over $3,000 a month in Manhattan).

199 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:41:25am

re: #196 ProTARDISLiberal

Why can’t they stay at homeless shelters?!111?!?111

200 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:42:31am

re: #199 Bulworth

Why can’t they stay at homeless shelters?!111?!?111

Ssshhhhh….we’re trying to defund those!

201 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:44:01am

Good news: A newly published study revealed no apparent increased risk of skin cancers among cell phone users.

202 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:44:16am

re: #198 lawhawk

It also apparently tells its workers not to live in major metro areas (like NYC, where the average rent is well over $3,000 a month in Manhattan).

Not to defend the idiocy from McDonalds, but there’s no need for anyone to live in Manhattan when much, much better deals are a subway (or ferry) ride away in the other 4 boroughs.

That being said, good luck finding anything larger than a closet for $600 a month, even in the Bronx.

203 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:45:19am

re: #202 Ian G.

Not to defend the idiocy from McDonalds, but there’s no need for anyone to live in Manhattan when much, much better deals are a subway (or ferry) ride away in the other 4 boroughs.

That being said, good luck finding anything larger than a closet for $600 a month, even in the Bronx.

You could live in Detroit and commute. It’s only a 12-hour drive, each way!

You’d end up spending the same on gas that you would save on rent.

204 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:46:44am

re: #196 ProTARDISLiberal

Oh look what McDonald’s put out:

McDonalds Tells Workers To Budget By Getting A Second Job And Turning Off Their Heat

You should page that.

205 erik_t  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:55:18am

“Well, but, you can’t prove a negative” derp-curious anti-vaxxers are EVERYWHERE this morning.

Someone please tell me this is a safe place.

206 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:59:29am

The Derptard is strong in this libertard: twitter.com

Apparently it believes there was a black juror in the Zimmermann trial.

207 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:04:04am

re: #196 ProTARDISLiberal

Oh look what McDonald’s put out:

McDonalds Tells Workers To Budget By Getting A Second Job And Turning Off Their Heat

Does it advise them to apply for food stamps?

208 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:05:42am

re: #180 darthstar

Seriously, I can’t stand to be in an airport for more than two or three hours…and on the occasions when I’ve had six-seven hour delays, it’s driven me up the fucking walls. I can’t imagine staying in the same building for two weeks. I’d be having conversations with myself in the bathroom stalls for entertainment by now.

If Putin does this right, and Obama seems to be fine with the slow road, Snowden will be begging to be sent back to the US by Thanksgiving.

I paged it here littlegreenfootballs.com It seems Snowden’s team got their act together and filed a formal request for asylum in Russia. He still to wait for an answer, though.

209 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:07:04am

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi

I paged it here littlegreenfootballs.com It seems Snowden’s team got their act together and filed a formal request for asylum in Russia. He still to wait for an answer, though.

Ah, asylum in Russia! The bastion of Freedom!

210 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:07:06am

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi

I paged it here littlegreenfootballs.com It seems Snowden’s team got their act together and filed a formal request for asylum in Russia. He still to wait for an answer, though.

It sounds like Putin is eager to get rid of him, though. I don’t think that formal request will be accepted. I confess I’m actually kind of interested to see how they eventually get him out of their country.

211 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:08:04am

re: #210 thedopefishlives

It sounds like Putin is eager to get rid of him, though. I don’t think that formal request will be accepted. I confess I’m actually kind of interested to see how they eventually get him out of their country.

North Korean freighter out of Murmansk buried under a cargo of beets.
;)

212 erik_t  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:09:30am

re: #211 Feline Fearless Leader

North Korean freighter out of Murmansk buried under a cargo of beets.
;)

I DON’T WANT TO GO ON THE CART

213 twisty  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:09:59am

re: #196 ProTARDISLiberal

Oh look what McDonald’s put out:

McDonalds Tells Workers To Budget By Getting A Second Job And Turning Off Their Heat

Aside from leaving out food (urm… kind of important) and frankly laughable health insurance costs, this cute budget assumes the person is making either about $12/hr working 40 hours a week (not likely), or is working about 70 hours a week min wage (fun!). Can you say, written by a person who hasn’t had to figure their own finances in over 10 years if ever?

214 andres  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:10:46am

re: #187 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I used to be in favor of Puerto Rico becoming a state but then I got this christmas card from the Mayor of San Juan and now I just don’t know.

Image: KRH14.jpg

Former-Mayor of San Juan, thankyouverymuch. And yes, it’s as creepy for you as it was for us. Let’s just say that this meme didn’t last longer because he lost his seat.

215 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:11:05am

re: #212 erik_t

I DON’T WANT TO GO ON THE CART

Sure you do.

To North Korea: Here’s your nine pence.

216 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:12:09am

Looks like a deal’s been done to avoid Reid pushing the button on the nuclear option.

Problem is since when has advise and consent been obstruct and delay? It surfaced in the 1990s when Clinton nominations were delayed/obstructed by GOPers in the Senate, then the Democrats did the same to Bush nominees, but the levels of obstruction took off when Obama was elected (and intensified even further after his reelection).

The entire process needs to be fixed. The job of the Senate is to advise and consent (Article II, Sec. 2) on the President’s nominations. If the candidate is qualified, up or down vote - even if one disagrees with the nominee’s political leanings.

But what this Senate has done - with this GOP - is beyond anything that has happened before - stymieing the President’s ability to govern and operate the Executive Branch by denying the filling of multiple agency postings, to say nothing of the judicial vacancies that obstruct the justice system from functioning effectively.

217 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:12:19am

Had to read it twice before I got it:

218 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:12:26am

re: #215 Feline Fearless Leader

Sure you do.

To North Korea: Here’s your nine pence.

Right. See you on Thursday.

219 efuseakay  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:12:41am

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi

I paged it here littlegreenfootballs.com It seems Snowden’s team got their act together and filed a formal request for asylum in Russia. He still to wait for an answer, though.

He can shack up with The Pussycat Dolls.

220 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:13:12am

re: #219 efuseakay

He can shack up with The Pussycat Dolls.

You mean Pussy Riot.

221 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:13:18am

re: #210 thedopefishlives

He’s a hot potato, as one Russian lawmaker said recently. Sno’s lawyers have applied for temporary asylum, which doesn’t require Putin’s OK. If it gets preliminary approval, he can hang around Russia while the Migration Service studies the situation in more detail. Unless, of course, Putin arranges for his deportation.

If I were Snowden, I’d be sweating bullets now. I wouldn’t trust Russian bureaucrats or politicians to do what they say they’ll do.

222 shoshin  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:15:15am

C’mon Charles, you didn’t like it when Ellsberg praised Snowden, but Bernstein is some sort of icon? His butt-kissing profiles of Bush should have been enough to put you off, I would’ve thought.

I still think you are smarting from not having Snowden come to you.

223 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:16:03am

re: #216 lawhawk

Looks like a deal’s been done to avoid Reid pushing the button on the nuclear option.

Problem is since when has advise and consent been obstruct and delay? It surfaced in the 1990s when Clinton nominations were delayed/obstructed by GOPers in the Senate, then the Democrats did the same to Bush nominees, but the levels of obstruction took off when Obama was elected (and intensified even further after his reelection).

The entire process needs to be fixed. The job of the Senate is to advise and consent (Article II, Sec. 2) on the President’s nominations. If the candidate is qualified, up or down vote - even if one disagrees with the nominee’s political leanings.

But what this Senate has done - with this GOP - is beyond anything that has happened before - stymieing the President’s ability to govern and operate the Executive Branch by denying the filling of multiple agency postings, to say nothing of the judicial vacancies that obstruct the justice system from functioning effectively.

I see this and just know that if the GOP gets control of the Senate in 2014 or 2016 they’ll nuke the current filibuster rules about five minutes into the new session.

224 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:16:54am

re: #222 shoshin

C’mon Charles, you didn’t like it when Ellsberg praised Snowden, but Bernstein is some sort of icon? His butt-kissing profiles of Bush should have been enough to put you off, I would’ve thought.

I still think you are smarting from not having Snowden come to you.

Do you prefer garlic-mustard or teriyaki?

225 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:17:33am

re: #221 wheat-dogghazi

He’s a hot potato, as one Russian lawmaker said recently. Sno’s lawyers have applied for temporary asylum, which doesn’t require Putin’s OK. If it gets preliminary approval, he can hang around Russia while the Migration Service studies the situation in more detail. Unless, of course, Putin arranges for his deportation.

If I were Snowden, I’d be sweating bullets now. I wouldn’t trust Russian bureaucrats or politicians to do what they say they’ll do.

Yeah. My point is that that preliminary approval is a big “if”. It may not require Putin’s OK, but certainly everyone in Russia with half a brain knows that Snowden is, officially or unofficially, persona non grata in their country.

226 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:17:34am

re: #222 shoshin

Makes no sense. Are you trying to make a point here?

227 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:18:29am

re: #224 Feline Fearless Leader

Do you prefer garlic-mustard or teriyaki?

Caribbean jerk!

228 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:19:13am

re: #225 thedopefishlives

Yeah. My point is that that preliminary approval is a big “if”. It may not require Putin’s OK, but certainly everyone in Russia with half a brain knows that Snowden is, officially or unofficially, persona non grata in their country.

Oh, for sure. Putin has made that clear on more than one occasion. They might let him just long enough for him to get to the Venezuelan embassy and accept their more heartfelt welcome.

229 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:20:11am
re: #222 shoshin

Registered since: Nov 17, 2010 at 8:40 am
No. of comments posted: 4

I’mway uessinggay eway avehay away ocketsay uppetpay isitingvay
usway

230 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:20:24am

re: #228 wheat-dogghazi

Oh, for sure. Putin has made that clear on more than one occasion. They might let him just long enough for him to get to the Venezuelan embassy and accept their more heartfelt welcome.

Which would be the smartest move he could make at this point, if they let him. If I were him, I’d have the shortest path from the terminal to the embassy memorized.

231 blueraven  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:21:44am

re: #138 Vicious Babushka

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Good for them! However, I do not think we have heard the last of juror B37.
There are enough people out there who would love to hear this George Zimmerman apologist’s story. The RWNJ’s would buy the book in droves and make her a hero.

Some publisher will take this up down the line. Money talks.

232 piratedan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:21:58am

re: #226 wheat-dogghazi

must be under the impression that we give a shit about the mouthpiece instead of the actions of downloading classified materials and then fleeing the country and hanging out with our international rivals while lobbing threats and accusations from afar thang…

233 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:21:59am

re: #230 thedopefishlives

Depends on how paranoid he is. The shortest path could have the highest possible number of spooks ready to make him disappear.

234 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:22:22am

Fuckery at work:

Image: SrZ64.png

235 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:22:29am

re: #229 Dr. Matt

I’mway uessinggay eway avehay away ocketsay uppetpay isitingvay
usway

Why the hell would Snowden ‘come’ here, and why would we care? Another psychodrama.

236 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:23:17am

re: #180 darthstar

Seriously, I can’t stand to be in an airport for more than two or three hours…and on the occasions when I’ve had six-seven hour delays, it’s driven me up the fucking walls. I can’t imagine staying in the same building for two weeks. I’d be having conversations with myself in the bathroom stalls for entertainment by now.

If Putin does this right, and Obama seems to be fine with the slow road, Snowden will be begging to be sent back to the US by Thanksgiving.

The ex-wife and I once spent the night in Charles de Gaulle Airport. All the hotels around the airport were booked solid, so I found a couple of large cardboard boxes, opened ‘em up, and used them as sleeping mats. She thought I’d lost my mind, but I said, “Whaddaya wanna do? Wander around the proximity of the airport all night until we can catch the flight tomorrow morning?”

She grumbled, as always, but in the end she fell asleep. No problems. Just not very comfortable sleeping on the floor, even with a cardboard ‘mattress’.

237 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:24:02am

re: #234 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Fuckery at work:

Image: SrZ64.png

Do you have a matching map showing which party controls the legislature in that state? Or is this effort bipartisan?

238 erik_t  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:24:05am

re: #221 wheat-dogghazi

If I were Snowden, I’d be sweating bullets now. I wouldn’t trust Russian bureaucrats or politicians to do what they say they’ll do.

Well I wouldn’t trust Snowden to keep secret what he says he’ll keep secret, so… ;)

239 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:24:38am

re: #234 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I used to live in Wyoming and Kentucky. Surprised they’re not colored red, too.

240 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:25:24am

re: #227 Dr. Matt

Shishlik. Schwarma. Time to get the fire lit…

241 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:25:25am

Good morning lizards!

242 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:25:39am

re: #238 erik_t

Well I wouldn’t trust Snowden to keep secret what he says he’ll keep secret, so… ;)

And if the NSA has any real chops they already know what Snowdon stole, have started accounting for that, and Snowdon’s data rapidly loses value as time passes.

243 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:26:00am

re: #240 lawhawk

Shishlik. Schwarma. Time to get the fire lit…

Yeah, after setting my grill on fire over the weekend, I’m taking a break from running the troll barbecue.

244 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:26:06am

re: #222 shoshin

C’mon Charles, you didn’t like it when Ellsberg praised Snowden, but Bernstein is some sort of icon? His butt-kissing profiles of Bush should have been enough to put you off, I would’ve thought.

I still think you are smarting from not having Snowden come to you.

The post didn’t say anything, positive or negative, about Bernstein. Of course, Bernstein is an icon, not that being an icon is a good thing.

He suffers from the same problem most high-level journalists do, being too close to his subjects and not critical enough, but that’s often the price of access.

245 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:26:32am

This thread is making me hungry….

246 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:26:51am

re: #240 lawhawk

Shishlik. Schwarma. Time to get the fire lit…

Hey! The Muslims are fasting and so am I.

247 blueraven  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:29:50am

re: #222 shoshin

C’mon Charles, you didn’t like it when Ellsberg praised Snowden, but Bernstein is some sort of icon? His butt-kissing profiles of Bush should have been enough to put you off, I would’ve thought.

I still think you are smarting from not having Snowden come to you.

What butt-kissing profile are you speaking of?
I know Woodward wrote some, but Bernstein?

248 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:31:38am

re: #237 Feline Fearless Leader

Do you have a matching map showing which party controls the legislature in that state? Or is this effort bipartisan?

It’s almost entirely partisan.

Image: TXS2012101102-map1.png

249 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:32:43am

re: #240 lawhawk

Shishlik. Schwarma. Time to get the fire lit…

We’ve got Baptist schwarma here in Baja Alabama. Get it at Arbys.

250 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:36:11am

re: #249 Decatur Deb

We’ve got Baptist schwarma here in Baja Alabama. Get it at Arbys.

Mmm. Shawarma. *eyes Turkish wrap food cart nearby*

I think I know what’s for lunch today.

251 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:36:17am

What the fuck?

Shit…NationalReport again.

252 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:37:09am

re: #251 darthstar

What the fuck?

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FAKE. That site is badly concealed satire:

nationalreport.net

253 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:38:10am

re: #222 shoshin

Why does anyone thing Snowboy is a journalist to begin with? All I see from him is a sad little baby who can’t take not being the center of attention. Come back and ask us about what he has to say once he’s at least as mature as, say, the average 13 year old.

254 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:39:07am

re: #252 Lidane

FAKE. That site is badly concealed satire:

nationalreport.net

Thanks…that’s not the first time I’ve been hoodwinked by that site. Keep thinking they’re the National Review.

255 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:40:23am

I’ve got Flash Gordon on as background noise right now. I have to say, I think the porn send up Flesh Gordon had better acting.

256 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:40:33am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

Hey! The Muslims are fasting and so am I.

That reminds me, I need to go read about Tisha B’Av.

257 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:41:51am

re: #255 darthstar

I’ve got Flash Gordon on as background noise right now. I have to say, I think the porn send up Flesh Gordon had better acting.

More cheese than a fondue factory in that film. Still fun to watch it now and again to watch Von Sydow and Brian Blessed chew scenery.

258 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:42:18am

re: #256 William Barnett-Lewis

That reminds me, I need to go read about Tisha B’Av.

It’s the day that commemorates all the bad stuff that happened to Teh Juice. AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF BAD STUFF HAPPENED and we get to think about it all day long.

But hey, it’s all crammed into ONLY ONE DAY.

259 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:43:14am

re: #252 Lidane

FAKE. That site is badly concealedsatire:

nationalreport.net

It’s not THAT badly concealed :)

260 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:44:43am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

Apologies. Delay in effect due to Tisha B’Av and Ramadan. Out of respect, the grilling will commence after sundown.

261 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:44:59am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

It’s the day that commemorates all the bad stuff that happened to Teh Juice. AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF BAD STUFF HAPPENED and we get to think about it all day long.

But hey, it’s all crammed into ONLY ONE DAY.

Yeah, just looking at the wiki page. Yikes! The bad day of bad days.

262 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:45:26am

Heh:

263 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:45:54am

re: #261 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, just looking at the wiki page. Yikes! The bad day of bad days.

Yeah it sucks.

264 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:47:49am
265 efuseakay  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:48:19am

re: #5 calochortus

Looks like the French may have prevented a Breivik-style attack.

‘Neo-Nazi’ musician Vikernes in French terror arrest

266 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:49:14am

Because Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Marx are totally best buddies, yo:

267 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:50:26am

re: #257 Feline Fearless Leader

More cheese than a fondue factory in that film. Still fun to watch it now and again to watch Von Sydow and Brian Blessed chew scenery.

Max von Sydow’s ‘Ming the Merciless’ is probably one of my favorite performances of his. He’s not so much chewing the scenery as he is eating the scenery with a fine bernaise sauce and a glass of Cabernet Sauvignon.

268 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:50:33am

re: #266 Lidane

Because Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Marx are totally best buddies, yo:

They are all brodudes!

269 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:50:37am
270 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:50:59am

re: #266 Lidane

Because Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Marx are totally best buddies, yo:

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In otherwords typical “I hate them ergo they must be like Obama.”

271 efuseakay  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:51:11am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

You mean Pussy Riot.

lol Um… :D

272 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:51:18am

My surprise, let me show you it:

273 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:51:33am

re: #268 Dr. Matt

They are all brodudes!

They were all in the same frat. Pinochet wanted to join but he was too into free markets.//

274 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:53:59am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

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I never fail to be amused by the lack of self-awareness and the total camp of extremist, overtly political art. Change a few faces (but not Obama’s) and this could be a mural in North Korea.

275 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:54:34am

re: #266 Lidane

Because Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Marx are totally best buddies, yo:

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What is the figure placing a cloth? on Liberty’s face?

276 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:54:36am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

How does tweeter have the Liberty to have picture of Obummer stabbing Lady Liberty?

277 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:54:37am

re: #274 Ian G.

I never fail to be amused by the lack of self-awareness and the total camp of extremist, overtly political art. Change a few faces (but not Obama’s) and this could be a mural in North Korea.

At least Jon McNaughton has some talent and technique.

278 erik_t  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:54:52am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

@viciousbabushka

RT @RightWingWatch: Tea Party artist depicts Obama with Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Marx stabbing lady liberty #UniteBlue pic.twitter.com/pDCn7CEZGL

High-quality printing, careful attention to overall figurine scale, but Timmy gave Obama much too large a head, and the cardboard really should have been trimmed to fit, for better presentation value.

I’d give the fourth grader in question at least a B+.

279 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:54:52am

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

DU has always been the Free Republic of the left.

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Heh. My favorite DU thread…

Can a jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? An experiment.

280 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:55:13am
281 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:56:51am

re: #265 efuseakay

Looks like the French may have prevented a Breivik-style attack.

‘Neo-Nazi’ musician Vikernes in French terror arrest

This guy was involved in torching a bunch of churches in Norway and committed murder previously.

But he soon became involved in violent crime. In 1992, he took part in the arson of at least three churches in Norway.

The following year, he stabbed to death his friend, fellow Norwegian guitarist Oeystein “Euronymous” Aarseth whom he played with him in the black metal band Mayhem.

Vikernes was given Norway’s maximum 21-year sentence and released from prison in 2009 after serving 16 years.

Linked with Breivik, who provided Vikernes with a copy of his manifesto.

Bad jobu all the way around - and the French got lucky to nab him before. Also - the arrests made after his wife legally bought the rifles.

282 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:59:08am

re: #281 lawhawk

Why the hell is the maximum sentence for murder only 21 years?

I have a lot of problems with the justice system in the US, but putting dangerous psychopaths away for life (and Vikernes fits that description to a T) is something I’m completely on board with.

283 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:59:24am

re: #281 lawhawk

This guy was involved in torching a bunch of churches in Norway and committed murder previously.

Linked with Breivik, who provided Vikernes with a copy of his manifesto.

Bad jobu all the way around - and the French got lucky to nab him before. Also - the arrests made after his wife legally bought the rifles.

Phones that need to be tapped…

284 Flounder  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:00:10am

re: #125 thedopefishlives

If you see Hammerpants, its the 1992 riot.

/

285 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:03:30am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

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Hopefully law enforcement is keeping a close eye on this lunatic. Browsing to his website, there is a page dedicated to the advocacy and planning of a violent armed overthrowing of the US Government via terroristic acts.

(Cached link:)
Understanding Insurgency

Stage 1
The first stage of an insurgency is when a small group of disaffected individuals begin engaging in activities against their oppressors. When I say small, I mean tiny-fifteen to thirty. The odds seem ludicrous. Obviously, such small numbers will not make an effective guerilla force so they are restricted to acts of intimidation and violence. We should call it what it is, terrorism.

286 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:05:36am

re: #285 RadicalModerate

Hopefully law enforcement is keeping a close eye on this lunatic. Browsing to his website, there is a page dedicated to the advocacy and planning of a violent armed overthrowing of the US Government via terroristic acts.

(Cached link:)
Understanding Insurgency

Hey—they’ve got his metadata.

287 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:06:32am

re: #285 RadicalModerate

When I say small, I mean tiny-fifteen to thirty

AH, 15 to 30….perfect drone target.

288 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:07:02am

re: #265 efuseakay

‘Neo-Nazi’ musician Vikernes in French terror arrest

Wait, they actually let Varg out of jail? Wow.

I remember reading about the stuff he’s done. That guy not only killed another musician, but he also burned down several chruches in Norway.

289 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:08:13am

re: #288 Lidane

Wait, they actually let Varg out of jail? Wow.

I remember reading about the stuff he’s done. That guy not only killed another musician, but he also burned down several chruches in Norway.

Sure France and the rest of the EU thank them for it.

290 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:09:09am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

Why is Abe Lincoln in this art? And who is the Egyptian guy on the left?

291 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:10:39am

re: #290 Bulworth

Why is Abe Lincoln in this art? And who is the Egyptian guy on the left?

Probably Ramses.

292 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:11:17am

re: #290 Bulworth

Why is Abe Lincoln in this art? And who is the Egyptian guy on the left?

I think he’s going for that Jon McNaughton style of A Bunch of Famous Dudes Standing Around.

293 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:13:20am

re: #290 Bulworth

Why is Abe Lincoln in this art? And who is the Egyptian guy on the left?

Because if you look at his website he’s a bonafide secessionist who thought that the confederacy should have won the Civil War.

294 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:13:48am

re: #288 Lidane

Wait, they actually let Varg out of jail? Wow.

I remember reading about the stuff he’s done. That guy not only killed another musician, but he also burned down several chruches in Norway.

Paid homage to Quisling, in Norway. At some point society can be forgiven for taking these little anti-human shits at their word.

295 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:13:58am

What a douchebag.

Details of San Diego Mayor Filner’s alleged sexual harassment released

SAN DIEGO — Turning up the pressure on Mayor Bob Filner to resign, three former supporters Monday released details of his alleged sexual harassment of women, including the forcible kissing of two constituents and grabbing the buttocks and breast of a staff member.

In a City Hall elevator, Filner told a female staffer that women employees would do better “if they worked without their panties on,” attorney Marco Gonzalez said at a news conference outside City Hall.

Filner’s behavior toward women is so egregious that women who work for him call him a “dirty old man” and coined the phrases “the Filner headlock” and “the Filner dance” to describe how he isolates women and then makes unwanted advances, Gonzalez said.

…Gonzalez said that once a claim is filed, investigators would talk to other mayoral staff members and the police officers assigned to the mayor’s security detail. They will find that Filner has a pattern of pushing himself on women, starting with leering comments and then escalating to forcible kissing and groping, Gonzalez said.

Frye said that Filner makes sure he is alone with a woman, then asks whether she is married and then hands out compliments. With one constituent, he ended up forcibly kissing her, Frye said.

He did the same with another constituent and then, even after she rebuffed his advances, he grabbed one of her breasts, Frye said.

“This mayor cannot control himself,” Gonzalez said. “He does not deserve to be the mayor of this city any longer.”

Last week, after Filner released a contrite video and admitted “I need help,” Frye, Gonzalez and Briggs rejected his plea as inadequate.

He is refusing to resign.

296 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:15:43am
297 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:16:26am

re: #293 RadicalModerate

Oh, he seems nice.

298 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:17:44am

Guess Stevie Wonder won’t be able to play in Wisconsin then.

299 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:20:03am
* In March 2012, Bo Morrison was shot and killed by a homeowner in Wisconsin who discovered the unarmed 20-year-old on his porch early one morning. According to friends, Morrison was trying to evade police responding to a noise complaint at a neighboring underage drinking party. The homeowner, thinking Morrison was a burglar, was not charged by the local district attorney.

While Wisconsin doesn’t have a Stand Your Ground law that extends to public spaces, Gov. Scott Walker signed an “intruders bill” in December 2011 that presumes somebody who uses deadly force against a trespasser in their home, business or vehicle acted reasonably, whether or not the intruder was armed. Before the law was enacted, homeowners could only use deadly force if their own lives were at risk.

300 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:20:16am

re: #222 shoshin

C’mon Charles, you didn’t like it when Ellsberg praised Snowden, but Bernstein is some sort of icon? His butt-kissing profiles of Bush should have been enough to put you off, I would’ve thought.

I still think you are smarting from not having Snowden come to you.

Moron also posted this:

Charles, several decades ago, I was in a science writers Q&A group where Stephen Jay Gould was the focus, and someone asked him about the “rise of creationism in education.” (really, this was at least 30 years ago). He expressed some surprise (I’m paraphrasing), shrugged, said “I thought that battle was over,” and we moved on to other topics.

Your post brought that conversation back to me, and I wondered “Why should we care?” Let the yokels have their god-stuff, their children will suffer, but why should we wring our hands and agonize over their ignorance? Won’t those ideas die a natural death, or become so obviously backwater nonsense that they won’t matter?

And I’m starting to have the same feeling about Roe v. Wade. Let the states decide, and, as long as no one can be prosecuted for crossing state lines to get an abortion, and they can get help from organizations, those backward states will lose population and credibility.

301 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:21:52am

re: #299 dragonath

There are too many damn idiots in this country who think the answer is to shoot, ask questions later.

302 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:22:31am

re: #300 wrenchwench

Wow, that dude is fucked up. “their children will suffer”. He sees nothing wrong with that.

303 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:23:16am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

There are too many damn idiots in this country who think the answer is to shoot, ask questions later.

Moral: don’t make U-Turns in people’s driveways while in Republican states

//

304 Higgs Boson's Mate  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:23:56am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

Wow, fantasy art for lunatic right-wingnuts. I’m so old that I remember duck and cover drills in grade school. I’m so old that I’m a Vietnam combat vet. The result is that I don’t scare easily anymore. These people worry me. A lot. In a nation where people, white people anyway, can do ten thousand things with their lives the wingnuts have actually chosen to fill their minds with paranoia and a visceral hatred of everyone who doesn’t agree with them 100%. They won’t ever revolt because even their filled-with-snakes minds realize that they would be killed in the first hour of their revolution. They sure as hell can do a lot of damage and that damage includes electing like-minded pols to state legislatures and the House.

305 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:25:35am

Anonymous is going total conspiracy theory now…

306 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:26:59am

re: #298 dragonath

Guess Stevie Wonder won’t be able to play in Wisconsin then.

Depends on how the prosecution does its job.

307 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:28:47am
308 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:29:48am

re: #307 NJDhockeyfan

Well, if the Nobel Peace Prize is going to be used as the “Let’s see who can be the most anti-America” prize, then I guess it makes sense that President Obama won it in 2009.///

309 erik_t  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:30:22am

re: #307 NJDhockeyfan

Fart noise.

310 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:31:17am

I kinda feel bad that I didn’t pick up a book at a yard sale called “Tesla’s Lost Journals” which was all about HAARP and chemtrails. Yeah man.

Here, have some cray

This short video explains the basis for HAARP as a weapon of weather modification. The covert application of Tesla’s concepts of heating the ionosphere has been sold to the public as” global warming” and then “climate change”. Neither warmists or deniers will ever convince the public the climate is changing as the IPCC claims until the past 22 years of aerosol deployment, HAARP and a vast array covert weather weapons is universally acknowledged

We now know that a combination of aerosol geoengineering combined with HAARP manipulation can create, steer, mitigate or intensify storms. The full-length documentaries that follow are extremely helpful at decoding the mystery and criminal intent behind these operations. It’s my opinion that the enemy’s anticipated advantage of “plausible deniability” has been lost to the collective genius of citizens willing to adapt and investigate suspicious operations performed in the name of the US government and their agencies.

The DHS tried to hide the purchase 1.6 Billion rounds of deadly ammunition. Do you really trust them with your weather?

311 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:34:27am

More kooky news…

Spy-spotting stroll sparks security alert in Germany

MAINZ, Germany — An engineer who used Facebook to organize a hike around the edge of a U.S. Army intelligence facility in Germany so he could “see real spies up close and personal” triggered a security alert.

Police visited 28-year-old Daniel Bangert’s home after he posted the event online.

“I woke up when my phone rang shortly after 7 a.m. on Wednesday and a police officer immediately started questioning me about my plans and my political motives,” Bangert said. “I then saw that a police vehicle was also parked on the street outside my door,” Bangert, a technical engineer, said.

He put on his “Team Edward” T-shirt, which he has been wearing to show support for U.S. whistleblower Edward Snowden, before meeting the uniformed officers.

“I told the police that I simply wanted to observe spies in their natural habitat, which even put a grin on their face,” Bangert said. “Suddenly, I was confronted with the whole state machinery, including a second meeting with a secret service agent, who wanted to know if I am politically active or have any connections to left-wing extremists.”

The U.S. Army’s “Dagger Complex,” located near Frankfurt, is home to the 66th Military Intelligence Brigade.

312 erik_t  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:35:50am

HAARP clearly can have a broad and mysterious effect on physical processes, even from very long distances. I mean, look at how there are people all over the world who mysteriously have their brains freak the fuck out over a research-focused radio antenna array in asscrack-of-nowhere, Alaska.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

313 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:36:44am

Wingnuts are still Derping this Derpty Derp.

314 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:39:46am
315 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:40:01am

re: #313 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are still Derping this Derpty Derp.

[Embedded content]101 million! Recipients of govt. food aid outnumber workers in US

Double the minimum wage and watch that go down.

316 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:41:22am

re: #315 Decatur Deb

Double the minimum wage and watch that go down.

They only even got these numbers by counting all the military, police, firefighters, municipal, state and federal employees as “takers”

317 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:42:18am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

There are too many damn idiots in this country who think the answer is to shoot, ask questions later.

Until it is one of ‘theirs’ that is gunned down by one of the ‘others’.

318 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:42:41am
319 Sionainn  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:47:04am

re: #314 Vicious Babushka

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You know he’s been wanting to say that for a very long time.

320 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:47:16am

Michelle Malkin is fucked up. She wants Jesus IN her daughter’s vagina?

321 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:47:39am
322 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:49:28am

re: #321 darthstar

LOOK AT THE “RAGE” ?MT @cnnireport #Zimmerman protests rage on outside the White House. pic.twitter.com/uDnGlKWHLf
— Jason A. (@Just_a_Ride) July 16, 2013

Any second amendment remedies happening?


EDIT: Sorry, I keep forgetting that those remedies are for “theirs” not for the “others”.

323 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:51:04am

PBS channel using reality TV shows as advertisements for saner television.

Youtube Video

324 Higgs Boson's Mate  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:51:57am

re: #313 Vicious Babushka

The veracity of that number aside, does anyone in their right mind really believe that people prefer food aid to having a steady job that pays a living wage? The fuckers are now blaming the fuckees for being so fucked.

325 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:54:48am
326 calochortus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:54:53am

re: #324 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The veracity of that number aside, does anyone in their right mind really believe that people prefer food aid to having a steady job that pays a living wage? The fuckers are now blaming the fuckees for being so fucked.

You have to understand that WE work hard and want deserve good jobs that pay a decent wage and are only forced to take government aid because Evil Liberals. THEY want to sit in their cushy chairs and live off of hard workin’ people like us because Evil Liberals.

Haven’t you been paying attention? //

327 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:57:42am

re: #313 Vicious Babushka

The troubled hearts seem troubled.

328 erik_t  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:57:46am

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

@TPM North Korea-bound ship carrying weapons hidden in sugar raided in Panama: bit.ly

They hid a whole ship inside the sugar? That must have been a hell of a sugar pile!

(bludgeons TPM reporter to death with nonspecific pronouns)

329 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:58:17am
330 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:58:37am

re: #327 Bulworth

The troubled hearts seem troubled.

This whole support group thing is just not working out for them.

331 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:59:21am

re: #314 Vicious Babushka

Rebranding!

332 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:59:23am
333 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00:34am

re: #313 Vicious Babushka

So, what you’re saying is, the IRS “scandal” is pretty much over. Also, too, BenghaziGATE!!

334 piratedan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00:37am

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

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I’m sure it was done at the behest of the US believing that Edward Snowden was onboard////

335 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:01:05am

re: #314 Vicious Babushka

Stay classy, Rusty

336 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:01:20am

re: #332 Dr. Matt

And on that note, the actual Onion gets kinda serious for once:

In Our Defense, These Were Some Pretty Fucked-Up Laws And We Were Ordered To Deliberate In Accordance With Them

337 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:01:33am

re: #332 Dr. Matt

NOT The Onion:

George Zimmerman’s brother thinks Obama ‘tapped’ his phones

I’M NOT PAYING $2.95 A MINUTE FOR PHONE SEX JUST SO THE PRESIDENT CAN GET HIS ROCKS OFF FOR FREE!!!

338 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:01:45am

re: #333 Bulworth

So, what you’re saying is, the IRS “scandal” is pretty much over. Also, too, BenghaziGATE!!

Oh no, they’re still totally Derping over BENGHAZI!!!11!!

339 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:02:44am

How unfortunate for Robert Zimmerman. He looks so much like his brother that a few TV appearances will give him the joy of being mis-recognized in public.

Image: fox_an_zimmerman_tapped_130716a-615x345.jpg

340 erik_t  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:02:58am

re: #336 dragonath

And on that note, the actual Onion gets kinda serious for once:

In Our Defense, These Were Some Pretty Fucked-Up Laws And We Were Ordered To Deliberate In Accordance With Them

Shit, this is better commentary than I’ve seen run in national-audience newspapers.

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:03:04am

re: #336 dragonath

And on that note, the actual Onion gets kinda serious for once:

In Our Defense, These Were Some Pretty Fucked-Up Laws And We Were Ordered To Deliberate In Accordance With Them

Hey, isn’t that the same excuse the IRS and NSA are using? Who is spreading that particular meme?
//

342 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:04:20am

re: #336 dragonath

And on that note, the actual Onion gets kinda serious for once:

In Our Defense, These Were Some Pretty Fucked-Up Laws And We Were Ordered To Deliberate In Accordance With Them

Totally on target. Far easier to blame the messenger and let the Florida electorate walk.

343 twisty  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:04:45am

re: #313 Vicious Babushka

If only more people would see stats like this and feel mercy instead of contempt. That number tells me a disturbing number of Americans aren’t able to feed themselves and we need liberal policies more than ever. It’s like seeing more leaks in the roof and deciding the person who’s been begging you to fix the roof was wrong, because… because!

344 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:05:23am

The entire Zimmerman clan makes the Palin family look normal and sane.

345 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:05:24am

Trayvon Martin’s Friend, Rachel Jeantel, Offered A Full College Scholarship from Tom Joyner

He said to her: “If you want to graduate from high school, and go to an HBCU, even if it’s not in Florida but especially Florida,like Florida Memorial, Edward Waters or FAMU, if you want to do that, I want to help you do that. I will help you get tutors to get you out of high school, tutors to help you pass the SAT and I will give you a full ride scholarship to any HBCU you’d like.”

346 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:05:26am
347 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:05:41am

re: #343 twisty

Their “troubled hearts” can’t feel mercy.

348 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:06:33am

re: #345 geoffm33

I can’t wait to see how the wingnuts respond to this.

Well, actually, I can.

349 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:06:35am

re: #343 twisty

If only more people would see stats like this and feel mercy instead of contempt. That number tells me a disturbing number of Americans aren’t able to feed themselves and we need liberal policies more than ever. It’s like seeing more leaks in the roof and deciding the person who’s been begging you to fix the roof was wrong, because… because!

HERE IS THE KOCH BROTHERS:

350 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:07:16am

re: #320 Vicious Babushka

Michelle Malkin is fucked up. She wants Jesus IN her daughter’s vagina?

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I’m suddenly thinking of the Jesus-Mary Magdalene sex scene in “The Last Temptation of Christ”.

351 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:07:24am
352 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:07:57am
353 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:08:01am

re: #349 Vicious Babushka

So, even the “makers” are trying to live off the “takers”? That’s sort of the backwards logic of this “everyone at expense of everyone” bit.

354 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:08:13am

I have no idea who this Bastiat dude is, at least they aren’t attributing this fucked up quote to Washington or Jefferson so the Fake Quotes Campaign must have got through at some level.

355 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:08:28am

Please proceed:

356 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:08:52am

re: #349 Vicious Babushka

So, the State should pack its bags and GTFU? How very Marxist of these Prosperity Brothers. /

357 twisty  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:09:02am

re: #347 Bulworth
re: #349 Vicious Babushka

Let not your heart be troubled by other people’s pain, hardship, or suffering…

358 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:09:15am

re: #349 Vicious Babushka

Hmmm…..

*takes massive hit off of a 2-foot bong*

Hmmm…..

Nope, that “great fiction” quote still doesn’t make a lick of sense.

359 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:09:42am

re: #354 Vicious Babushka

Every little bit helps.

360 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:09:51am

re: #354 Vicious Babushka

I have no idea who this Bastiat dude is, at least they aren’t attributing this fucked up quote to Washington or Jefferson so the Fake Quotes Campaign must have got through at some level.

Frédéric Bastiat

The glibertarian Paultards and von Mises fanboys point to him as an authority on economics. Anyone who’s ever taken an Econ class has heard of his ideas, since he formulated the concept of an opportunity cost.

361 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:10:39am

re: #360 Lidane

Frédéric Bastiat

The glibertarian Paultards and von Mises fanboys point to him as an authority.

What is he, like some French Ayn Rand?

362 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:11:40am

re: #360 Lidane

Oh, so the rest of us should be equally enamored of this dude, who doesn’t you know really sound all that Murican to me. What about American Exceptionalism!?!?!111

363 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:12:19am

FemNaziBitch you got TwitterGulaged again. :(

364 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:13:18am

re: #360 Lidane

Frédéric Bastiat

The glibertarian Paultards and von Mises fanboys point to him as an authority.

Always get him confused with the grafitti artist:

Image: grafo+22.jpg

365 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:13:46am
366 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:15:30am

re: #363 Vicious Babushka

Say it ain’t so. Is that her Twitter handle?

367 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:15:50am

re: #355 Lidane

Please proceed:

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Just let them. Sever the RWNJs from the mainstream party and maybe it can revive itself over the next 100 years.

368 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:15:53am

re: #366 Bulworth

Say it ain’t so. Is that her Twitter handle?

@geegeetee

369 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:16:05am

re: #360 Lidane

Ah yes, I am acquainted with that term. Thanks.

370 Mattand  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:16:52am

OT baseball travel questions; primarily for the NYC Lizards (but any advice is welcome):

So we’re heading up to Citi Field on Sunday to go see the Mets and the Phillies struggle to see who’s more mediocre:

1) How much abuse are we inviting if we wear our Phillies gear? I keep hearing stories there’s as many Phils fans as Mets fans at CF, but I also have seen the unfortunate treatment visiting fans sometimes get in Philly.

We’ll be in the upper level behind home plate, FWIW.

2) #7 MTA line vs LIRR? LIRR is faster but slightly more expensive. The #7 is slower but cheaper and leaves more often.

3) Best Manhattan brewpubs. Discuss.

Stay cool, kids. It was 85° in the shade in South Jersey at 8 tricking AM this morning.

371 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:16:56am

re: #361 Vicious Babushka

What is he, like some French Ayn Rand?

Nothing that drastic. He was an economist that strongly believed in free trade and railed against protectionism and against government interference in the market, which is why the Paultards and von Mises idiots love him. A lot of his work talks about “legalized plunder” via government interference and subsidies and how it was all wrong. It’s why people like Rothbard love him.

But he ALSO based his economics on the demand side rather than supply and he also allowed for there to be certain forms of welfare for the vulnerable to help them through what he called changing market conditions.

372 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:17:23am

re: #342 Decatur Deb

Totally on target. Far easier to blame the messenger and let the Florida electorate walk.

Unfortunately, we can also see how disruptive one juror can be when they rely on their own subjective personal biases and is dumb enough to tell the world about them. The rest of the jury could have been operating within the usual legal framework and the case hinged on the one who didn’t.

373 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:20:01am

re: #355 Lidane

Please proceed:

[Embedded content]

Go for it.

374 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:20:06am

re: #372 dragonath

Unfortunately, we can also see how disruptive one juror can be when they rely on their own subjective personal biases and is dumb enough to tell the world about them. The rest of the jury could have been operating within the usual legal framework and the case hinged on the one who didn’t.

The defense knew all along they only needed one, supposedly the wife of the lawyer/friend of the defense. The fix was in.

375 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:21:23am

Stevie Wonder To Stop Performing In Florida And Other Stand Your Ground States

At a concert in Quebec on Sunday, following the verdict in the trial of George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, musician Stevie Wonder made a pledge to his audience: that he won’t perform in states or countries that have Stand Your Ground laws or their equivalents on the books.

“The truth is that, for those that are being lost in the battle for justice, wherever that fits in any part of the world, we can’t bring them back. What we can do is we can let our voices be heard, and we can vote in our various countries throughout the world for change and for equality for everybody,” he told the audience. “That’s what I know we can do. And I know I’m not everybody, I’m just one person, I’m a human being. But for the gift that God has given me, and for whatever I mean, I decided today that until the Stand Your Ground law is abolished in Florida, I will never perform there again. As a matter of fact, wherever I find that law exists, I will not perform in that state or in that part of the world.”

376 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:22:00am

re: #360 Lidane

Frédéric Bastiat

The glibertarian Paultards and von Mises fanboys point to him as an authority on economics. Anyone who’s ever taken an Econ class has heard of his ideas, since he formulated the concept of an opportunity cost.

This really cracked me up: “To further demonstrate his points, Bastiat suggests that, rather than enacting tariffs, the government should simply destroy the railroad anywhere that foreign goods can outcompete local goods. Since this would be just about everywhere, he goes on to suggest that this government should simply build a broken or “negative” railroad right from the start, and not waste time with tariffs and rail building.”

So—I take it Bastiat was a total isolationist. That squares with anything I’ve heard the libertaritards talk about online, and that is also the reason for their “anti-war” position as well.

377 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:22:11am

re: #374 Decatur Deb

Which was probably why the book deal was rescinded so fast. I was beginning to hear people call for a “Son of Sam” law for jurors.

378 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:23:15am

Robertson: George Zimmerman Right to Follow Trayvon Martin Because Criminals Wear Hoodies

Pat Robertson yesterday berated the media for portraying Trayvon Martin as a “little boy” instead of a “fully-formed young African American male.” Robertson defended George Zimmerman after co-host Terry Meeuwsen pointed out that a 911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow Martin. “There’s been some crime in this area and the criminals were wearing these hoods so it’s one of those things,” Robertson said.

I see a lot more criminals wearing business suits.

379 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:23:56am

OH CRAP

380 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:24:39am
381 Lidane  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:25:26am

Hurr durr….

382 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:29:28am


The other 75% were started by Native Americans? Wow.

383 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:31:17am
384 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:31:48am

From last nights MLB Homerun Derby

385 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:40:15am

re: #370 Mattand

OT baseball travel questions; primarily for the NYC Lizards (but any advice is welcome):

So we’re heading up to Citi Field on Sunday to go see the Mets and the Phillies struggle to see who’s more mediocre:

1) How much abuse are we inviting if we wear our Phillies gear? I keep hearing stories there’s as many Phils fans as Mets fans at CF, but I also have seen the unfortunate treatment visiting fans sometimes get in Philly.

We’ll be in the upper level behind home plate, FWIW.

2) #7 MTA line vs LIRR? LIRR is faster but slightly more expensive. The #7 is slower but cheaper and leaves more often.

3) Best Manhattan brewpubs. Discuss.

Stay cool, kids. It was 85° in the shade in South Jersey at 8 tricking AM this morning.

1) As long as you’re civil, no problems. If you’re concerned, skip the jerseys and wear the hats.
2) Take the 7 express - it bypasses a bunch of the local stations and will get you to Citifield in short order. In the reverse, the 7 runs express into Manhattan after games as well - just watch for which platform at Citifield after the game.
3) Heartland Brewery is a good standby (Union Square or Times Square are good options). I’ll leave it to others to discuss favorite bars that have wide ranging beer options.

386 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:40:24am
387 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:42:46am
388 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:44:07am

re: #379 Vicious Babushka

OH CRAP

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389 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:44:28am

Georgia tea party convention stiffs speakers but offers to hold ‘carnival’ to raise funds

The Athens, Georgia Tea Party Patriots announced that they will be holding a series of fund-raising events in order to pay the $65,000 that the group owes to speakers who appeared at its first ever Liberty Convention. According to the Athens Banner-Herald, convention planners expected more than 2,500 attendees for the Liberty Convention, which was held in June. Instead, a mere 92 people trickled through the doors, leaving the convention and its organizers disappointed and deep in debt.

At a “press conference” on Saturday, which the newspaper described as “actually a lengthy conversation with an Athens Banner-Herald reporter,” Athens-Clarke County Tea Party Patriots chairman Keyantwon Stephens was unable to say specifically what type of fund-raising activities the group might resort to in order to pay its debts. He touched on the idea of a “community carnival” in passing, but declined to elaborate.

Well, they’ve got the clowns covered anyways.

390 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:46:49am

re: #389 Kragar

Georgia tea party convention stiffs speakers but offers to hold ‘carnival’ to raise funds

Well, they’ve got the clowns covered anyways.

Surprised they didn’t have some patron footing the bill for them. Otherwise, the grassroots will quickly dry up and die if they aren’t able to generate enough popularity for their stances to get sufficient contributions.

391 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:47:27am
392 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:47:34am

re: #389 Kragar

convention planners expected more than 2,500 attendees for the Liberty Convention, which was held in June. Instead, a mere 92 people trickled through the doors, leaving the convention and its organizers disappointed and deep in debt.

Couldn’t happen to a more worthy group of people. /

393 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:47:36am

re: #389 Kragar

Oh what the hell…BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!(catches breath…) HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ok, I’ll stop gloating now. Mostly. (teehee)

394 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:47:40am
395 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:49:18am

re: #351 Gus

Just read the article. It’s not even original—sounds almost exactly like the justification I hear from people who want to profile Muslims and who claim “Islamophobia” is just a PC word invented to prevent legitimate criticism of Islam. Seriously, go read it again, but this time replace “crime/criminal” with “terrorism/terrorist”, replace “black” with “Muslim”, and replace “race” with “Islam”.

396 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:49:58am

re: #395 CuriousLurker

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Just read the article. It’s not even original—sounds almost exactly like the justification I hear from people who want to profile Muslims and who claim “Islamophobia” is just a PC word invented to prevent legitimate criticism of Islam. Seriously, go read it again, but this time replace “crime/criminal” with “terrorism/terrorist”, replace “Black” with “Muslim”, and replace “race” with “Islam”.

Race REALISM!!! /

397 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:50:17am

“I’m not racist man I’m just being realistic!”

398 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:52:54am

re: #395 CuriousLurker

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Just read the article. It’s not even original—sounds almost exactly like the justification I hear from people who want to profile Muslims and who claim “Islamophobia” is just a PC word invented to prevent legitimate criticism of Islam. Seriously, go read it again, but this time replace “crime/criminal” with “terrorism/terrorist”, replace “Black” with “Muslim”, and replace “race” with “Islam”.

Translated from Pamelaspeak, then.

399 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:54:05am
400 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:54:23am

re: #389 Kragar

In my brain, I’m having visions of some horrible fusion of a Tea Party convention and the Gathering of the Juggalos.

Thanks a lot.

401 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:54:48am

re: #390 Feline Fearless Leader

Surprised they didn’t have some patron footing the bill for them. Otherwise, the grassroots will quickly dry up and die if they aren’t able to generate enough popularity for their stances to get sufficient contributions.

The Koch’s pay for all the tea parties, the teabags, the cups & saucers and the sugar cubes and the little cookies.

402 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:56:26am

re: #400 Internet Tough Guy

In my brain, I’m having visions of some horrible fusion of a Tea Party convention and the Gathering of the Juggalos.

Thanks a lot.

25.media.tumblr.com

403 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:56:37am

re: #395 CuriousLurker

So basically he just did a Find/Replace of his typical column about Muslims.

404 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:58:57am

re: #370 Mattand

OT baseball travel questions; primarily for the NYC Lizards (but any advice is welcome):

So we’re heading up to Citi Field on Sunday to go see the Mets and the Phillies struggle to see who’s more mediocre:

1) How much abuse are we inviting if we wear our Phillies gear? I keep hearing stories there’s as many Phils fans as Mets fans at CF, but I also have seen the unfortunate treatment visiting fans sometimes get in Philly.

We’ll be in the upper level behind home plate, FWIW.

2) #7 MTA line vs LIRR? LIRR is faster but slightly more expensive. The #7 is slower but cheaper and leaves more often.

3) Best Manhattan brewpubs. Discuss.

Stay cool, kids. It was 85° in the shade in South Jersey at 8 tricking AM this morning.

Mets fan here who has been to many a Mets-Phillies matchup, both in Queens and Philly.

1) Don’t act like a total ass, and you’ll be fine. Mets fans are a pretty dejected bunch right now (then again, so are Phils fans), so they’re not likely to get riled up much just by you wearing enemy colors. Also, Sunday afternoon crowds are the families and stuff. Not a lot of drunks with beer muscles.

2) 7 express is better. It’s a mere 7 stops from Grand Central Station to Citi Field, and costs a lot less than the LIRR, and runs more frequently. Just keep in mind that the express only runs right before and after the game on weekends. If you want to leave in the 7th inning, you’ll have no option but the local train.

3) gingerman-ny.com

Good beer selection, and a 6 block walk from the 5th Ave.-Bryant Park stop on the 7 train.

405 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:59:51am
406 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:00:53am

STROM THURMOND BEGS TO DIFFER

407 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:01:39am

re: #390 Feline Fearless Leader

Surprised they didn’t have some patron footing the bill for them. Otherwise, the grassroots will quickly dry up and die if they aren’t able to generate enough popularity for their stances to get sufficient contributions.

Astroturf orgs take a lot of upkeep, as the ‘baggers are finding out.

“He [Stephens] said that the group is currently working with “a political person” to help dig itself out of its current predicament, but did not name them. The convention’s sponsors, he said, are to blame for the group’s financial shortfalls. Stephens said the Athens Tea Party will be taking legal action against the businesses and political groups who promised to spend $500 each on banners to be hung at the event, but then backed out.”

Good luck with those suits. Promises aren’t contracts. And lawsuits cost money. It doesn’t appear to be the only legal problem they have, either. And 92 people attended? Seems like a high figure, if you look at the photos.

facebook.com

408 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:01:54am

re: #406 Vicious Babushka

Words of wisdom from the Wrong Side Of History. //

409 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:02:08am
410 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:02:30am

re: #406 Vicious Babushka

STROM THURMOND BEGS TO DIFFER

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411 makeitstop  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:02:31am

re: #404 Ian G.

.
3) gingerman-ny.com

+1 on Gingerman. The wife and I went there before a Knicks game last year. Great beer selection, and the food wasn’t bad, either.

412 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:04:40am

re: #409 Gus

AL SHARPTON; AS BAD AS HITLER

413 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:04:41am
414 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:04:47am

re: #409 Gus

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Ben Shapiro has Derpes.

415 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:05:41am

re: #403 Internet Tough Guy

So basically he just did a Find/Replace of his typical column about Muslims.

Yep, he reminded me of Sam Harris (he wasn’t incoherent enough to sound like Geller). I’ve also heard the same justification used by certain individuals here—mostly in the past, but it wouldn’t shock me to see it surface again.

416 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:05:45am

re: #412 Internet Tough Guy

AL SHARPTON; AS BAD AS HITLER

He said AMERICAN HISTORY.

Still I can think of a bunch of Americans who were much worse human beings than Al Sharpton.

417 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:06:01am

re: #406 Vicious Babushka

Strom was a Hero and True American Patriot who fought for Freedombs and Against Tooo much government!

418 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:06:10am

re: #414 Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro has Derpes.

Ben Shapiro is totally the kid from the original Children of the Corn.

Image: Children-of-the-Corn-1984.jpg

419 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:06:39am

re: #406 Vicious Babushka

STROM THURMOND BEGS TO DIFFER

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And Ben will be just another wannabe who never rose to a position of prominence.

420 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:07:42am

re: #416 Vicious Babushka

LOLZ I can’t read.

Should I apply for a job as a right-wing commentator?

421 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:08:12am

re: #418 Kragar

I didn’t even have to see the Pic to award you an upding.

422 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:08:45am

re: #419 darthstar

He should consider himself lucky if he avoids becoming infamous.

423 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:09:17am

re: #418 Kragar

Ben Shapiro is totally the kid from the original Children of the Corn.

Image: Children-of-the-Corn-1984.jpg

Image: Children-of-the-Breitbart.jpg

424 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:09:54am

re: #423 Gus

You have won the Internets for today. Where are you having your prizes mailed to?

425 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:11:04am

re: #413 Gus

I think that’s so awesome. He’s also offered to make sure she gets any tutoring she needs to get out of high school and into college. I know where she lives, the area. Miami Gardens/ Little Haiti can be a tough place to grow up. I wish her all the best.

426 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:11:54am

re: #424 Bulworth

You have won the Internets for today. Where are you having your prizes mailed to?

Send it to AIPAC and CAIR. :D

427 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:12:40am
428 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:13:12am

re: #418 Kragar

That pic and that kid still weird me out a little.

429 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:15:00am

re: #314 Vicious Babushka

Limbaugh: After Jenteal’s Interview, “I Can Now” Say “‘Nigga’ With An A” Because “It’s Not Racist”

The point is lost on these morans: the word itself if not racist, it is the context in which it is used.

I am now going to have some roasted ‘coon on white crackers because I am too niggardly to fix the chink in the fence of my otherwise spic and span home…

430 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:15:30am

re: #423 Gus

Image: Children-of-the-Breitbart.jpg

Thanks Gus. That image will now give me nightmares for days!

431 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:15:46am

re: #428 Bulworth

That pic and that kid still weird me out a little.

“Don’t just stand there! Seize him! Punish him! The Lord has chosen me as the bringer of His word and the giver of His laws! Disobedience to me is disobedience to Him! Do it now, or your punishment shall be a thousand deaths, each more horrible than the last!”

432 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:16:36am

Panama’s search of North Korean ship triggers ‘violent’ confrontation

Few details of the confrontation were available, but the ship’s North Korean crew of 35 resisted arrest, said Panama’s security minister, Jose Raul Mulino. He described it as “violent,” saying that the crew tried to sabotage the ship by cutting cables on the cranes that would be used to unload cargo.
…..
During the struggle with Panamanian authorities, the ship’s captain suffered an apparent heart attack and then tried to kill himself, according to President Ricardo Martinelli.
…..
The president tweeted a photo of what he saw: a green octagon-shaped tube with a cone at its end and a similar-looking piece of equipment behind it. A defense analysis website identified the photo as radar equipment for a surface-to-air missile system.

433 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:17:12am

re: #430 Eclectic Cyborg

Thanks Gus. That image will now give me nightmares for days!

Image: Ben-Shapiro-Whambulance.jpg

434 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:25:59am
435 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:27:34am

We can haz new thread?

436 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:27:45am

re: #434 Gus

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WTF?

437 Bear  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:29:17am

re: #435 Bulworth

What would you suggest?

438 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:29:22am

re: #436 Kragar

Just expanding Freedom. //

439 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:29:23am
Jones told Pratt that the gun lobby needs to “get on the offense culturally, because they’ve got the kids in their clutches right now.” Pratt agreed, saying, “I think we have to push back in whatever smart way we can do to make sure that kids see, yeah having a gun is just as much fun as you thought it was when you were shooting your buddy with a water pistol yesterday.”

- See more at: rightwingwatch.org

Except now, you can kill your buddy, aint it cool?
///

440 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:29:42am

re: #437 Bear

What would you suggest?

Giant Robot thread.

441 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:29:44am

re: #436 Kragar

WTF?

Nice optics aye? Pratt is a psycho.

442 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:30:19am

re: #439 Kragar

Gunz are Cool. Cool kids have gunz. /

443 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:31:36am

re: #434 Gus

Accidentally shooting yourself while loading is just like when you spilled all that water loading your supersoaker; but this time in color!

444 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:32:24am
445 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:32:48am

re: #443 jaunte

Accidentally shooting yourself while loading is just like when you spilled all that water loading your supersoaker; but this time in color!

The proper way to cool down on a hot day is to ventilate.
/

446 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:32:48am
447 Kid A  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:33:48am
448 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:34:26am

re: #406 Vicious Babushka

S’matter, Ben? Jealous?

449 Kid A  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:35:19am
450 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:35:59am

re: #447 Kid A

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Dan Riehl is a festering boil on the ass of humanity.

451 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:36:25am

Feels like 103 degrees.

452 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:37:27am

re: #451 Varek Raith

Feels like 103 degrees.

But its a dry heat.

453 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:37:38am
454 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:37:53am

Tentative deal struck to avert Senate nuclear option

The deal would lift the filibusters and allow confirmation votes, but in exchange Democrats would agree to withdraw two nominees to the National Labor Relations Board.

Reid you piece of shit.

455 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:39:45am

re: #440 Kragar

Giant Robot thread.

Went to see Pacific Rim yesterday.

Damn, that was fun.

456 erik_t  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:40:02am

re: #454 Varek Raith

Reid you piece of shit.

Gotta make that proto-chordate piece of shit Boehner look competent somehow.

457 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:41:00am

re: #455 Romantic Heretic

Went to see Pacific Rim yesterday.

Damn, that was fun.

Wasn’t it, though?

All I know is that if my giant robot had a sword, I’d be using the damn thing from the get-go.

458 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:41:44am

re: #454 Varek Raith

Tentative deal struck to avert Senate nuclear option

Reid you piece of shit.

Told ya. I remember getting some heat here when I was criticizing him. That was a couple of years ago.

459 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:42:26am

Cause we all know the GOP won’t immediately change the rules when they get back in power.
Nope!

460 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:43:14am

re: #456 erik_t

Looks like Consumer Financial Protection Bureau will finally have a perm appointee. So, there’s that.

461 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:44:11am

re: #457 Kragar

I’d be softening the kaiju up with the plasma cannon long before I needed the sword.

And when a kaiju puffs up around the throat you do not just stand there!

462 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:44:15am

Looks like the photo is of the handwritten cover sheet. Odd that since there appears to be an actual form for claiming asylum (as many other countries like the US and UK have). The RT site indicates there’s more to the application than just this sheet.

463 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:46:58am

re: #461 Romantic Heretic

I’d be softening the kaiju up with the plasma cannon long before I needed the sword.

And when a kaiju puffs up around the throat you do not just stand there!

The Kaiju were pretty quick, not sure if I would trust artillery against them at range.

I would request a giant axe though.

464 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:47:20am

re: #461 Romantic Heretic

I’d be softening the kaiju up with the plasma cannon long before I needed the sword.

And when a kaiju puffs up around the throat you do not just stand there!

Swords>>>Guns
Fact.

465 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:47:44am

re: #454 Varek Raith

Tentative deal struck to avert Senate nuclear option

Reid you piece of shit.

Lucy just pulled away the football again.

466 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:48:20am

re: #464 Varek Raith

Swords>>>Guns
Fact.

That’s science.

467 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:48:37am

re: #409 Gus

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Sharpton’s a jerk but there have been much worse people than him that have risen to prominence including people like Shapiro himself.

468 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:49:52am

re: #444 Vicious Babushka

Signature looks like someone named “Ed Snothurrrt”…

469 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:52:09am
470 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:52:14am

Man, that is some gnarly handwriting. Don’t they have lined paper in Russia?

471 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:53:11am

re: #470 dragonath

Man, that is some gnarly handwriting. Don’t they have lined paper in Russia?

In Soviet Russian, you line up for paper!

472 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:53:29am

re: #470 dragonath

Man, that is some gnarly handwriting. Don’t they have lined paper in Russia?

He should have had access to one of the typewriters they’ve been dusting off.

473 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:53:37am

Come on, you left yourself wide open for that one.

474 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:53:45am

OT/Drive-by - I don’t have time to Page this, but I don’t recall seeing it mentioned here before and it seems kind of important:

FEMA Fight Resumes: Senate Ponders Taxpayer Aid For Damaged Houses Of Worship

It looks like the battle over taxpayer aid to religion is about to heat up in Congress again.

Yesterday senators introduced a bill that would require the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to give public funds to houses of worship that are damaged by hurricanes and other disasters. Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) are the lead sponsors of the measure.

The bill, sparked by Hurricane Sandy, mandates the inclusion of churches, synagogues, mosques, temples and other houses of worship in the list of institutions eligible for federally funded repair, restoration and replacement.

The measure may be well intentioned, but it’s a really bad idea. A cardinal rule of the U.S. Constitution is that government does not fund the construction or maintenance of houses of worship. A long line of federal court rulings confirms this important principle. […]

Gotta run now. Later, lizards.

475 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:55:26am

re: #474 CuriousLurker

OT/Drive-by - I don’t have time to Page this, but I don’t recall seeing it mentioned here before and it seems kind of important:

Gotta run now. Later, lizards.

Did they have insurance? If not, too bad. Act of God and all that, they should take it up with him.

476 piratedan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:56:33am

re: #472 NJDhockeyfan

gotta believe that’s snark, you don’t turn in a handwritten note to ask for asylum if you’re an ubersupersecret whistleblowing/paytriott/man of principal.

Instead, you hack the Russkis and insert your app into the head of the queue because you have mad skillz bro!

477 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:56:40am

Random OT: I wish I were half the father Dick Hoyt is:

Dick and Rick Hoyt - THE EXTRA MILE

Youtube Video

478 Stanley Sea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:59:01am

re: #475 Kragar

Did they have insurance? If not, too bad. Act of God and all that, they should take it up with him.

DING DING DING

479 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:59:51am

re: #475 Kragar

Did they have insurance? If not, too bad. Act of God and all that, they should take it up with him.

I don’t see why people of one religion should have to fund another, or why people of no religion should have to fund any religion. From the article:

But other religious and civil liberties groups have joined AU in fighting for taxpayers’ rights to support only the religious institutions of their choice. The American Civil Liberties Union, the Religious Action Center for Reform Judaism, the Interfaith Alliance, the Secular Coalition for America and the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty (BJC) have all opposed the funding scheme.

Amen to that, heh.

Okay, I’m closing the Spy and really, really leaving now.

480 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:01:04pm
To: Munchkin Commissariat
From: Dorothy Gale

APPLICATION

I hereby request your possibility of granting to me temporary asylum in the Magical Land of Oz

(signature) Dorzyszyz Gzzzz

15 July 1900

481 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:02:09pm

re: #479 CuriousLurker

I don’t see why people of one religion should have to fund another or why people of no religion should have to fund any religion. From the article:

Amen to that, heh.

Okay, I’m closing the Spy and really, really leaving now.

Right, that’s how I feel about vouchers as well. Different topic though. Honestly, we should be focused of rebuilding homes first and foremost in disaster riddled areas.

482 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:02:32pm

re: #480 dragonath

Lollypop Guild!

483 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:03:58pm

re: #481 HappyWarrior

Right, that’s how I feel about vouchers as well. Different topic though. Honestly, we should be focused of rebuilding homes first and foremost in disaster riddled areas.

Well, if churches are incorporated, then they are people, too!

484 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:13:37pm

Wisconsin Lawmaker Revives ‘Personhood’ Push To Grant Embryos With All The Rights Of U.S. Citizens

Wisconsin Rep. Andre Jacque (R) is proposing an amendment to the state constitution that would extend all the rights of U.S. citizenship to fertilized eggs. The amendment stipulates that “the terms ‘people’ and ‘person’ shall apply to every human being at any stage of development.”

This type of “trigger” amendment wouldn’t change state law while Roe v. Wade still stands. But, if that Supreme Court decision ever gets overturned, the clause would ensure that all types of abortion, some kinds of birth control, and even in vitro fertilization would be immediately criminalized in Wisconsin. Jacque introduced a similar measure last year that failed to advance.

Jacque is backed by Pro-Life Wisconsin, an anti-choice group that unveiled a new website and petition drive to drum up support for the proposed personhood measure. Pro-Life Wisconsin is upfront about its goal: the group wants to prevent every woman in every part of the state from being able to access abortion services.

485 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:16:32pm

re: #484 Kragar

Wisconsin Lawmaker Revives ‘Personhood’ Push To Grant Embryos With All The Rights Of U.S. Citizens

That crap can’t be constitutional. So what the fuck happens in genius’s eyes if the mother will die if she gives birth? It would be nice if Republicans had some actual empathy for you know the living and breathing. And if you want to prevent or lower abortions, help poor and unwed pregnant women out rather than engaging in slut shaming.

486 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:16:39pm
487 erik_t  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:16:45pm
488 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:17:10pm

re: #454 Varek Raith

Tentative deal struck to avert Senate nuclear option

Reid you piece of shit.

No no no, he also forced them to agree to any other nominees. It’s complicated. Basically, the two they’re forcing to be replaced are recess nominees, and they want to be able to challenge in court the recess appointment stuff. It’s a valid, if annoying, constitutional point. They’ve promised to confirm whoever gets nominated for those roles.

This is actually a victory for Reid. The GOP were blocking the actual functioning of those agencies, not on a practical level but a legal level since the agencies can’t do anything without a head according to statue.

489 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:18:17pm

re: #474 CuriousLurker

OT/Drive-by - I don’t have time to Page this, but I don’t recall seeing it mentioned here before and it seems kind of important:

Gotta run now. Later, lizards.

I’ll page it for you…

490 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:18:24pm

re: #484 Kragar

Wisconsin Lawmaker Revives ‘Personhood’ Push To Grant Embryos With All The Rights Of U.S. Citizens

Embryos are known to vote Democratic. That should give pause to the plans of Wisconsin lawmakers.

491 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:18:44pm

re: #486 Gus

Well, if Europe would be a fine place to go, except that they actually implemented the GOP’s economic agenda, and are thus circling the drain.

492 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:18:57pm

re: #490 wrenchwench

Embryos are known to vote Democratic. That should give pause to the plans of Wisconsin lawmakers.

Some of them are even gay.//

493 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:18:57pm
494 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:19:02pm

re: #487 erik_t

Brown embryos, however, shall be deported.

Damn anchor embryos.

495 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:20:17pm

Do you remember when Wisconsin was a flaming hellscape where the roads were paved with the souls of dead babies? Thank God for Scott Walker, the prophet of prosperity.

496 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:20:40pm

re: #489 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll page it for you…

Thanks!

498 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:21:12pm
499 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:22:35pm

re: #484 Kragar

Freedom. Liberty, et et etc

500 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:22:40pm

re: #480 dragonath

Obama will get you. And your little dog too!!!
;P

501 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:22:43pm

re: #484 Kragar

Wisconsin Lawmaker Revives ‘Personhood’ Push To Grant Embryos With All The Rights Of U.S. Citizens

I still want to hear what life insurance providers think about this.

502 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:24:47pm

re: #501 Eventual Carrion

I still want to hear what life insurance providers think about this.

“My wife had her period, there for, you us $100,000 for the loss of our child. See you again next month.”

503 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:25:08pm
504 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:27:01pm

re: #494 wrenchwench

Damn anchor embryoszygotes.

They’re going to the moment of fertilization - ignoring all science - this is the latest in a long line of faith based legislating. Any stage of human development includes all points up to an including the moment of fertilization.

Though, the language “”the terms ‘people’ and ‘person’ shall apply to every human being at any stage of development” could also refer to sperm and ovum (because they’re critical to a stage of development - conception). And we all knows where that ends up - every sperm is sacred.

Any state that passes this kind of insane legislation will totally screw anyone seeking IVF treatments, to say nothing of reproductive health care, women’s rights, any put the right of a bunch of cells ahead of those of their parents - as when a couple seeks IVF, the couple donates sperm and ovum, and produce a number of embryos - not all of which are used in the IVF process. This will force the clinic/couple to store the embryos indefinitely. And if the IVF facility’s refrigeration systems fail, it could even result in criminal charges.

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505 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:27:06pm

re: #498 Gus

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And cue the right using this as proof that MLK would have sympathized with Zimmerman. This is the same relative that told Glenn Beck’s moronic crowd that her uncle would have supported their cause.

506 Mattand  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:28:24pm

re: #385 lawhawk

re: #404 Ian G.

Thanks for the advice, gang. I figuring we’re gonna get a few NYC-style “Go the eff back to Philly!” greetings; I’d be kinda disappointed otherwise! Given the shitty state of both teams, it may just turn into a giant therapy session.

I thought I had read that the #7 was local only on Sundays. Good to know; MTA says the local takes 1/2 hour to get to Citi Field.

Appreciate the brewpub advice. I stumbled across Gingerbread Man on Yelp right after I posted here. Probably do that, although trekking out to Brooklyn Brewery is still an option. Love their Chocolate Stout.

Thanks again. Oh, and BTW; you guys Mets or Yankees fans?

507 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:31:00pm

re: #497 Kragar

The guy involved has a long history of criminal actions, including torching some of Norway’s most important churches, and murdering another musician (which he claims was self defense no less).

508 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:31:39pm

re: #506 Mattand

Yankee fan, though the Mrs. is a Mets fan (we’re a mixed marriage in that respect).

509 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:35:14pm

re: #506 Mattand

Thanks for the advice, gang. I figuring we’re gonna get a few NYC-style “Go the eff back to Philly!” greetings; I’d be kinda disappointed otherwise! Given the shitty state of both teams, it may just turn into a giant therapy session.

I thought I had read that the #7 was local only on Sundays. Good to know; MTA says the local takes 1/2 hour to get to Citi Field.

Appreciate the brewpub advice. I stumbled across Gingerbread Man on Yelp right after I posted here. Probably do that, although trekking out to Brooklyn Brewery is still an option. Love their Chocolate Stout.

Thanks again. Oh, and BTW; you guys Mets or Yankees fans?

I am frightened by the fact I can say “Go Bucs” and not be viewed as a subject of immediate pity. O_o

510 Mattand  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:37:33pm

re: #509 Feline Fearless Leader

I am frightened by the fact I can say “Go Bucs” and not be viewed as a subject of immediate pity. O_o

Enjoy it while you can!

511 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:39:44pm

re: #509 Feline Fearless Leader

I am frightened by the fact I can say “Go Bucs” and not be viewed as a subject of immediate pity. O_o

I am glad to see them having a good year. The Bucs deserve it. Probably going to take a day trip to Pittsburgh and see a game there again later on this summer.

512 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:40:03pm

re: #496 CuriousLurker

Thanks!

paged here:

littlegreenfootballs.com

I probably could have been a lot smoother with it, but… oh well!

513 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:40:23pm

I’m glad to see the Orioles proving last year wasn’t a fluke. Got an awesome “Hakuna Machado” shirt that I wore to the game on Saturday.

514 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:41:39pm
515 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:42:31pm

re: #506 Mattand

Hey, feel free to give me an email if you want to meet up while you’re up here.

516 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:43:42pm

re: #487 erik_t

Brown embryos, however, shall be self-deported.

FIFY

517 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 12:45:48pm

re: #506 Mattand

Thanks again. Oh, and BTW; you guys Mets or Yankees fans?

Sadly, I’m a Cubbie…

518 Mattand  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 1:04:03pm

re: #515 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Hey, feel free to give me an email if you want to meet up while you’re up here.

Appreciate it!


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