Pat Robertson, Just Asking Questions: “Is Obama a Crypto-Muslim?”

It would be irresponsible not to ask
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Here’s grizzled old religious right crocodile Pat Robertson again, asking the questions it would be irresponsible not to ask, like “Do you think Obama is a crypto-Muslim?”

Christian Broadcasting Network terrorism expert Erick Stackelbeck doesn’t think it’s that simple, though. After careful analysis, Stackelbeck has concluded that Obama is not a super-secret Muslim himself; he’s actually a revolutionary leftist working with hardcore Islamists to destroy Judeo-Christian western civilization and traditional America. That’s entirely different from your standard crypto-Muslim. Praise Jesus!

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221 comments
1 Skip Intro  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:07:53pm

Have you sent Pat his $20 yet this month? Great research like this doesn’t come cheap.

2 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:08:18pm

Oh, FFS.

3 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:08:42pm

You know what, I’m going to say it loudly here but even if Obama was Muslim, there shouldn’t be anything wrong with it. The prejudice that Pat and those like him ferment against Muslims is the same crap that Catholics and Jews dealt with in the page in this country and it wasn’t right then and it sure as hell isn’t right then. But Obama’s not a crypto-Muslim. He enjoys beer too much to be one.

4 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:10:38pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

You know what, I’m going to say it loudly here but even if Obama was Muslim, there shouldn’t be anything wrong with it. The prejudice that Pat and those like him ferment against Muslims is the same crap that Catholics and Jews dealt with in the page in this country and it wasn’t right then and it sure as hell isn’t right then. But Obama’s not a crypto-Muslim. He enjoys beer too much to be one.

TAQIYYA!!!!!!!

5 freetoken  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:10:40pm
After careful analysis, Stackelbeck has concluded that Obama is not a super-secret Muslim himself; he’s actually a revolutionary leftist working with hardcore Islamists to bring down Judeo-Christian western civilization and traditional America.

Being funded by gay, Jewish bankers in Hollywood, no doubt.

6 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:12:26pm

re: #4 GeneJockey

TAQIYYA!!!!!!!

No no, it’s spelled “tequila.”

/

7 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:13:05pm

I’d go and say that Robertson and his ilk are crypto-idiots, but there’s nothing crypto about ‘em. They’re idiots who like pushing buttons. Baiting and setting out red meat for their followers.

8 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:13:16pm

Crypto-muslim? Is that like a Muslim on ice?…oh wait…that’s Cryo-muslim…never mind.

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9 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:15:24pm

re: #8 darthstar

Crypto-muslim? Is that like a Muslim on ice?…oh wait…that’s Cryo-muslim…never mind.

Image: zahra-lari-figure-skater-red.jpg

Shariah on Ice. Ideas ideas.

10 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:15:48pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

No no, it’s spelled “tequila.”

/

Thread winner ladies and gents.

11 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:16:48pm

The “Judeo-Christian” fig leaf. Talk about deceptive agendas.

Come on, Pat. You don’t like the Jews or the Catholics either.

I doubt you’re educated enough to know about the Copts or the Orthodoxists, but I’m sure you’d come up with something equally stupid and shady.

12 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:19:43pm

re: #11 The Ghost of a Flea

The “Judeo-Christian” fig leaf. Talk about deceptive agendas.

Come on, Pat. You don’t like the Jews or the Catholics either.

I doubt you’re educated enough to know about the Copts or the Orthodoxists, but I’m sure you’d come up with something equally stupid and shady.

The fundies only grudgingly accept Catholics because of the Roe decision and they only accept the Jews because they “love” Israel. A lot of people forget that in the deep South (aka the center of fundamentalist Christianity) Jews were equated with communism and civil rights. And also of note is that two of the three killed in the murders in Philadelphia, Mississippi were Jewish-Americans.

13 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:19:53pm

re: #11 The Ghost of a Flea

The “Judeo-Christian” fig leaf. Talk about deceptive agendas.

Come on, Pat. You don’t like the Jews or the Catholics either.

No, no! Talibangelists LOVE Teh Juice. They’re like firewood for the End Times, which can’t start till they’re all collected in one place, hence the support for ‘Greater Israel’ among wingnuts.

14 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:20:27pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

Have you sent Pat his $20 yet this month? Great research like this doesn’t come cheap.

Nice soul you got there.

Be a shame if something happened to it.

15 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:20:52pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

No no, it’s spelled “tequila.”

/

Am I bad for thinking of PeeWee’s Big Adventure when I see that?

16 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:21:07pm

I suppose if Rahbertson can call Pres Obama a crypto-Muslim, I can call him a neo-Theocrat? I mean, he did run for Pres once.

17 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:21:36pm

re: #13 GeneJockey

No, no! Talibangelists LOVE Teh Juice. They’re like firewood for the End Times, which can’t start till they’re all collected in one place, hence the support for ‘Greater Israel’ among wingnuts.

And Pammy hearts them right back, just like she luvs her some euro-fascists.

18 rosiee  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:22:22pm

the notion of judeo-christianity is retarded, no two faiths have had such an acrimonious relationship.

19 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:22:51pm

Wrong, totes obvs Obama’s a reverse vampire.

20 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:22:56pm

Ow. NY Met starter in the All-Star game just pinged a NY Yankee in the knee with a fastball.

21 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:22:57pm

re: #15 GeneJockey

Am I bad for thinking of PeeWee’s Big Adventure when I see that?

I think of the Sandlot whenever I hear that song. That scene is a good illustration of the night that I had the first and only time I had tequilla clean.

22 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:24:00pm

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

And Pammy hearts them right back, just like she luvs her some euro-fascists.

Right. She thinks Muslims are The New Hitler, while ignoring the fact that her neo-Nazi pals actually aspire to be New Hitlers.

23 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:24:48pm

re: #22 GeneJockey

Right. She thinks Muslims are The New Hitler, while ignoring the fact that her neo-Nazi pals actually aspire to be New Hitlers.

or that her pals think that Hitler was quite lovely.

24 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:25:25pm

The latest model for a life insurance ad seems to be some kind of strange freakish mutation who never ages:

Image: LGF121.jpg

25 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:25:46pm

re: #13 GeneJockey

No, no! Talibangelists LOVE Teh Juice. They’re like firewood for the End Times, which can’t start till they’re all collected in one place, hence the support for ‘Greater Israel’ among wingnuts.

Ha! That’s got to be the best description I’ve read of how they view Jews.

26 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:26:03pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

The latest model for a life insurance ad seems to be some kind of strange freakish mutation who never ages:

Image: LGF121.jpg

Benjamin Button insurance.

27 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:26:04pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

The latest model for a life insurance ad seems to be some kind of strange freakish mutation who never ages:

Image: LGF121.jpg

Uncle Jack!

;P

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:26:12pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

The latest model for a life insurance ad seems to be some kind of strange freakish mutation who never ages:

Image: LGF121.jpg

What, is he a Highlander?

29 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:27:01pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

What, is he a Highlander?

Poor bastard didn’t get killed the first time till he was 80. Now he spends eternity getting up 3 times a night to pee.

30 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:27:28pm

re: #22 GeneJockey

She views her opponents as Hitler, and therefore recycles anti-Semitic tropes to stigmatize them, and advocates law and policy positions similar to those of the NSDAP Nuremburg laws, because apparently sufficient gin makes you immune to irony.

31 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:30:10pm

re: #29 GeneJockey

Poor bastard didn’t get killed the first time till he was 80. Now he spends eternity getting up 3 times a night to pee.

Must make sword fighting a bitch.

“Ah, damnit, my hip! Time out, time out!!”

32 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:30:14pm

re: #30 The Ghost of a Flea

She views her opponents as Hitler, and therefore recycles anti-Semitic tropes to stigmatize them, and advocates law and policy positions similar to those of the NSDAP Nuremburg laws, because apparently sufficient gin makes you immune to irony.

It’s funny how ones’ most prevalent expression takes over ones face. I’ve noticed that she, and Michelle Malkin, though once attractive, are starting to have their hate written into their faces - they’re becoming their own Dorian Gray portraits.

33 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:30:43pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

Must make sword fighting a bitch.

“Ah, damnit, my hip! Time out, time out!!”

See the fight scene from Up.

34 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:31:44pm

He’s the hot new online advertising model - this is from a refi ad:

Image: ZZ52BE8CF2.jpg

35 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:32:42pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

He’s the hot new online advertising model - this is from a refi ad:

Image: ZZ52BE8CF2.jpg

Oh, gee, I can’t wait till they start doing the gifs where they move his eyes and shit like that.
//

36 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:33:37pm

There’s been a trend in web ads for a while to use weird, disturbing, or ugly models in ads just because it gets your attention and breaks through the ig-field.

37 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:34:18pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

There’s been a trend in web ads for a while to use weird, disturbing, or ugly models in ads just because it gets your attention and breaks through the ig-field.

So, it’s not just women with improbably large breasts anymore?

38 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:35:41pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

There’s been a trend in web ads for a while to use weird, disturbing, or ugly models in ads just because it gets your attention and breaks through the ig-field.

I kinda figured that’s what that was about. Too bad it’s losing its value.

39 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:35:57pm

re: #37 GeneJockey

So, it’s not just women with improbably large breasts anymore?

Mithridatism, but with improbably large breasts?

40 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:37:29pm
41 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:38:19pm

re: #39 The Ghost of a Flea

Mitradatism, but with improbably large breasts?

Doesn’t work. I still notice breasts. I just don’t click on them.

42 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:39:39pm

This boils down Geller’s lunacy very nicely: splcenter.org

Even Charles gets an honorable (and I mean honorable) mention.

43 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:39:49pm

re: #33 thedopefishlives

See the fight scene from Up.

Heh, I loved that movie. All Pixar’s movies are great.

Youtube Video

44 darthstar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:41:12pm
45 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:42:23pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

Heh, I loved that movie. All Pixar’s movies are great.

Youtube Video

Yes, yes they are.

46 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:45:02pm

Man, that Oxford comma is a hard habit to break.

47 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:45:31pm

re: #41 GeneJockey

Doesn’t work. I still notice breasts. I just don’t click on them.

The important thing is, I get the chance to use the word mithridatism.

48 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:46:16pm

re: #47 The Ghost of a Flea

The important thing is, I get the chance to use the word mithridatism.

I had to look it up. It was the basis of ‘Strong Poison’, IIRC.

49 klys  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:47:01pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

Heh, I loved that movie. All Pixar’s movies are great.

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Up made both my husband and I cry within the first 5 minutes. Which made the rest of the movie harder to take, mostly because we were trying to not focus on the fact that his wife was dead.

50 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:47:55pm

re: #49 klys

Up made both my husband and I cry within the first 5 minutes. Which made the rest of the movie harder to take, mostly because we were trying to not focus on the fact that his wife was dead.

Yeah, the Mrs. Fish and I both had some trouble with that one. It was a great movie, but very emotional.

51 Stanley Sea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:48:16pm


Axelrod!!

52 Higgs Boson's Mate  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:49:29pm

Stackelbeck is one of the legions of unemployable white boys who have carved out a cozy niche exposing Muslim conspiracies. Robertson is, as he has always been, is The Dick of God.

53 klys  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:49:44pm

re: #50 thedopefishlives

Yeah, the Mrs. Fish and I both had some trouble with that one. It was a great movie, but very emotional.

The whole “losing a spouse” thing is a very …emotional minefield that we like to avoid. So having it front and center to start the movie definitely colored my entire experience of it.

54 Drimble Wedge  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:51:08pm

re: #44 darthstar

Glenn Greenwald’s “The Derp”.

55 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:54:55pm

re: #49 klys

Up made both my husband and I cry within the first 5 minutes. Which made the rest of the movie harder to take, mostly because we were trying to not focus on the fact that his wife was dead.

But they had a good life together!

I found it sadder that she had a miscarriage and then couldn’t have children. Of course if they’d had a child, he or she would be a an adult and that would change the whole dynamic of the story.

56 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:55:03pm

Don’t be surprised if MSNBC is already in negotiations with Glenn Greenwald. He’s the next Keith Olbermann.

57 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:55:04pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Man, that Oxford comma is a hard habit to break.

If I read all this stuff about grammar, I’d be afraid to write anything.

The Oxford comma—also called the serial comma and the Harvard comma—is a regular source of confusion and angst. Whether you use the comma is a matter of style, meaning that some style guides call for it and some don’t.

Yet people are often taught that they should always use it or never use it. They think there is a right way and a wrong way, they’re doing it the right way, and everyone else is doing it the wrong way.
- See more at: quickanddirtytips.com

58 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:56:26pm

re: #49 klys

Up made both my husband and I cry within the first 5 minutes. Which made the rest of the movie harder to take, mostly because we were trying to not focus on the fact that his wife was dead.

Same here. It made the whole thing very poignant & bittersweet.

59 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:56:51pm

If anyone can out-asshole Keith Olbermann it’s Glenn Greenwald. MSNBC would be crazy not to jump all over this like a brown bear on a salmon.

60 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:58:21pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Don’t be surprised if MSNBC is already in negotiations with Glenn Greenwald. He’s the next Keith Olbermann,

What’s that, a CalTech comma? ^

/poking my brother for his birthday….

/yes, I know you fixed it….

61 klys  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:58:31pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

But they had a good life together!

I found it sadder that she had a miscarriage and then couldn’t have children. Of course if they’d had a child, he or she would be a an adult and that would change the whole dynamic of the story.

They did have a good life together. But I can see being in that position and still not feeling like there’s been enough time together.

What it comes down to is that I really hate things that make me confront the fact that we are mortal and the possibility of losing the people I care strongly about exists. It doesn’t mean I can’t do it, but… that particular one just hit home hard.

62 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:58:47pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

If anyone can out-asshole Keith Olbermann it’s Glenn Greenwald. MSNBC would be crazy not to jump all over this like a brown bear on a salmon.

Olbermann always rubbed me the wrong way. Sure, I was more likely to agree with him in general than not but he has a real self-righteous attitude about him. Plus the whole worst person in the world stuff was just stupid hyperbole.

63 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:59:00pm

re: #44 darthstar

idiots…all of them

64 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:59:06pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

If I read all this stuff about grammar, I’d be afraid to write anything.

Just glad not to use the “Auburn ther”.

‘Over ther.’
‘Ther overalls’
Ther all comin’ for supper.’

65 Drimble Wedge  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:59:26pm

I loved it when Bob Dole put Pat Robertson in his place:

dailymotion.com

66 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 5:59:38pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

If anyone can out-asshole Keith Olbermann it’s Glenn Greenwald. MSNBC would be crazy not to jump all over this like a brown bear on a salmon.

Ugh. I’d stopped watching Countdown for the last couple of years it was on MSNBC. He got way too obnoxious & ranty.

67 Tigger2  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:00:01pm

Just asking a question is Pat Robertson a fake Christian.

68 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:00:34pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

Just glad not to use the “Auburn ther”.

‘Over ther.’
‘Ther overalls’
Ther all comin’ for supper.’

That looks like a nice simplification.

69 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:01:46pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

That looks like a nice simplification.

Useful when talking to ‘Bama players.

70 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:04:21pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

But they had a good life together!

I found it sadder that she had a miscarriage and then couldn’t have children. Of course if they’d had a child, he or she would be a an adult and that would change the whole dynamic of the story.

I thought it was one of the best expositions I’ve ever seen, and yeah, it was bittersweet in the full meaning of bitter and sweet, and poignant, but without tearjerking. And I can see how it would color one’s reactions, based on one’s experiences.

71 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:07:37pm

Some more info on Edward Snowden’s fan, former NH Senator Gordon Humphrey, from a 2000 article at the Boston Globe:

In 1979, Gordon Humphrey, a newly minted member of the US Senate, went to Washington with a style that was often described as shoot-from-the-hip. He wielded twin pistols of social and fiscal conservatism. He feared little and fought hard.

He crusaded against the ”vile holocaust” of abortion, campaigned against government spending and congressional pay raises. He advocated a naval blockade of Cuba to stop the spread of communism.

Every once in a while, one of the bullets he fired would ricochet off the Capitol’s marble pillars and hit him in the foot.

He was quoted as calling battered women’s shelters ”indoctrination centers.” He said, ”Homosexuality, that is the practice of it, is immoral, and the consequences to our society of that immoral practice is AIDS.” He criticized a woman with young children for running for Congress.

Here was Humphrey’s excuse when this became an issue in 2000:

”I’ve mellowed,” Humphrey said in an interview last week. ”I’m 20 years older. I was the youngest US senator when I was elected. I was 38, had never held public office. Not only was I young, I was unseasoned, totally green, wet behind the ears. A bit too brash and rash for [my] own good.”

How old was this brash wet-behind-the-ears youth when he said these things?

38. A mere boy, who thought of battered women’s shelters as “indoctrination centers.”

72 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:08:31pm
73 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:09:31pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

Ugh. I’d stopped watching Countdown for the last couple of years it was on MSNBC. He got way too obnoxious & ranty.

At first I felt sorry for him during the Thurber meltdown after his dad died. I could let it slide for like a week or so, it was annoying but the guy’s dad had just died so I figured peeps should cut him some slack. Then I’d tune in months later and he was still doing it. Olberman turned reading Thurber into some kind of deeply uncomfortable public therapy session, only he was forcing his viewers to wait for some cathartic sense of healing that was never going to come. It just became, “hey people, it’s Friday, everyone watch as I once again rip off these emotional bandages and indulge myself in some weird, inappropriate bullshit that maybe, at best, appeals to 2% of the audience.”

Sure, he had an enormous ego and you could tell that for management and staff dealing with him off camera was some kind of Sisyphean hell chore, but I’m convinced that it was the Thurber crap that got him fired.

74 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:12:25pm

Later, lizards.

75 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:13:32pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

If I read all this stuff about grammar, I’d be afraid to write anything.

I rarely write anything where I worry about my grammar or punctuation being wanting, but when I do concern myself with it I usually refer to Words into Type. It was originally published in 1974, so it’s kinda old school, but a copywriter I used to work with always carried it with her and swore by it. It’s really easy to look things up in it.

76 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:13:45pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

Just glad not to use the “Auburn ther”.

‘Over ther.’
‘Ther overalls’
Ther all comin’ for supper.’

Growing up as a child in NY, who was born and lived my first 3 years around Nashville…my biggest problem word was “fire”:

“oh no! thar’s a fahr!”
“But that fahr is a fer place away…”

We’ll not even discuss cricks and branches…

77 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:14:04pm

re: #72 Gus

It’s nice of white progressives to remind non-whites that they’re just as capable of being totally fucking tone-deaf about race as conservatives.

78 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:14:34pm


What an idiot. Even if this mattered those aren’t Obama’s words. That from this article in the NY Times. (By JO BECKER and SCOTT SHANE)

Counterterrorism officials insist this approach is one of simple logic: people in an area of known terrorist activity, or found with a top Qaeda operative, are probably up to no good. “Al Qaeda is an insular, paranoid organization — innocent neighbors don’t hitchhike rides in the back of trucks headed for the border with guns and bombs,” said one official, who requested anonymity to speak about what is still a classified program.

79 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:15:41pm

re: #75 CuriousLurker

I rarely write anything where I worry about my grammar or punctuation being wanting, but when I do concern myself with it I usually refer to Words into Type. It was originally published in 1974, so it’s kinda old school, but a copywriter I used to work with always carried it with her and swore by it. It’s really easy to look things up in it.

!Listen! Orthography: march of angels, each one (mum) silent and steady and fallow and further. Watch, anon, into, because the— or is it where the— shall be asked and? Question answered; language is for play, not punishment.

80 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:15:47pm

Al Queda’s a different game than a black teenager, Sirota you stupid hack.

82 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:16:15pm

re: #72 Gus

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I wish Twitter had karma & a dinger.

83 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:17:20pm

re: #79 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

!Listen! Orthography: march of angels, each one (mum) silent and steady and fallow and further. Watch, anon, into, because the— or is it where the— shall be asked and? Question answered; language is for play, not punishment.

Words are the clay with which I make my little summer camp ashtrays.

84 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:17:41pm
85 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:17:46pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

At first I felt sorry for him during the Thurber meltdown after his dad died. I could let it slide for like a week or so, it was annoying but the guy’s dad had just died so I figured peeps should cut him some slack. Then I’d tune in months later and he was still doing it. Olberman turned reading Thurber into some kind of deeply uncomfortable public therapy session, only he was forcing his viewers to wait for some cathartic sense of healing that was never going to come. It just became, “hey people, it’s Friday, everyone watch as I once again rip off these emotional bandages and indulge myself in some weird, inappropriate bullshit that maybe, at best, appeals to 2% of the audience.”

Sure, he had an enormous ego and you could tell that for management and staff dealing with him off camera was some kind of Sisyphean hell chore, but I’m convinced that it was the Thurber crap that got him fired.

Gawd, I’d totally forgotten about that part as I mostly wasn’t watching him anymore by then. Very, very weird/uncomfortable.

86 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:18:02pm

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

It has got to smell good around there.

87 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:18:04pm

re: #72 Gus

He’s riding that Greenwald wave.

88 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:18:10pm

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

The fresh breads for tonight’s supper

Oh, for a knife and some butter.

89 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:19:06pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

Heh, I loved that movie. All Pixar’s movies are great.

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re: #45 thedopefishlives

Yes, yes they are.

So, have you seen this yet? :)

The Pixar Theory - One Universe, One Timeline

90 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:19:46pm

re: #84 jaunte

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Zimmerman got acquitted. Seems that the Daily Caller wants to put Martin on trial for being a flawed human being. What the hell do they realistically expect GLAAD to do? This is not only trolling, it’s juvenile and pathetic as hell.

91 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:20:12pm
92 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:20:44pm

I kind of underestimated how much this bullshit about Obama being just awful because PRISM was playing out among the white progressive crowd. Most of my progressive friends in NYC are black or Hispanic or Asian, and they were unperturbed by it. Then I hung out with a friend who’s in IT, at his party, and these three white dudes could not shut the fuck up about how these days, they can just pinpoint you with that metadata, man. I was like, pinpoint you for what? And they got kind of confused. But it was my friends party and I didn’t want to really start trouble so I didn’t press it.

We need more race-mixing. That’s my new slogan. Everyone should hang out with everyone and bang people from other cultures.

Hop to it.

93 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:20:53pm

Treyvon once lost his temper with someone. He deserved what happened to him!

94 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:21:00pm
95 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:21:05pm

re: #79 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

!Listen! Orthography: march of angels, each one (mum) silent and steady and fallow and further. Watch, anon, into, because the— or is it where the— shall be asked and? Question answered; language is for play, not punishment.

Heh, yeah, worrying about it too much kills all the pleasure. Since no one is paying me to write, I figure I’m not gonna stress over it.

96 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:21:36pm

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

The fresh breads for tonight’s supper

You should challah at me sometime.

97 freetoken  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:21:44pm

Ron Paul: End government control of organ transplants and compensate donors

According to Paul, one of the reasons that the wait list for organ transplants is so long is because there is a shortage of donors. He believes that compensation would be an incentive for more people to become organ donors.

Hmmm… in the not too distant future, libertarian wingnuts will be proposing that welfare recipients sell an organ every year to remain on the dole.

98 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:21:44pm

re: #94 Gus

“Fake but accurate” defense, coming up!

99 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:22:47pm

re: #89 BongCrodny

So, have you seen this yet? :)

The Pixar Theory - One Universe, One Timeline

Cool, no I hadn’t seen it. Thanks!

100 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:22:58pm

Ben Affleck did a hilarious Olbermann impersonation on SNL. However I can’t find it on Teh Internets.

101 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:23:07pm

re: #97 freetoken

Ron Paul: End government control of organ transplants and compensate donors

Hmmm… in the not too distant future, libertarian wingnuts will be proposing that welfare recipients sell an organ every year to remain on the dole.

Hey Luap Nor, people giving organs aren’t doing it for comphensation, they’re doing it because they want to help people out. If I give my dying brother my kidney, I’m not doing it to get dough, I’m doing out of brotherly love. You know that thing that you and your son seem to know shit little about.

102 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:23:10pm

re: #89 BongCrodny

So, have you seen this yet? :)

The Pixar Theory - One Universe, One Timeline

While that theory is ridiculously over the top complicated, it is absolutely true that each Pixar movie contains an Easter egg pointing to the next Pixar movie in production. All that being said, it is a pretty interesting read to see the dots connected in a theoretical fashion.

103 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:23:27pm
104 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:24:03pm

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

Ben Affleck did a hilarious Olbermann impersonation on SNL. However I can’t find it on Teh Internets.

Hulu has it:
Hulu Video

105 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:24:07pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

BLOCKED!

106 freetoken  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:24:20pm

Maybe the CBOT could open up a market for human offal?

107 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:24:33pm

re: #97 freetoken

Y’know what? He’s half-right. Compensation would help. That’d actually be a great redistribution of wealth. If we paid, not, obviously, for the goddamn removal of the healthy organ, but paid the actuarial value of our collective organs to everyone based on the fact that some will die, that’d be an awesome bit of wealth transfer, and it’d benefit everyone. Oh, we keep the same system of who gets them first, with ethics boards and doctors, we don’t privatize that shit. That’s crazy stupid Mad Max territory, fuck that. But we give everyone the acutarial value of their organs. This also means communities where people die younger would get more money.

This law should probably come into effect on Halloween.

108 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:25:50pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Hey Luap Nor, people giving organs aren’t doing it for comphensation, they’re doing it because they want to help people out. If I give my dying brother my kidney, I’m not doing it to get dough, I’m doing out of brotherly love. You know that thing that you and your son seem to know shit little about.

It’s been done:

imdb.com

109 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:28:37pm

I gotta say I’m really surprise that no Conservatives have proposed something along the lines of Larry Niven’s Organ Banks, but I suppose it’s because we don’t execute enough people yet to make it worth while.

110 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:29:18pm

I’m honestly surprised that none of them have proposed a totally privatized military.

111 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:29:21pm

re: #106 freetoken

Maybe the CBOT could open up a market for human offal?

Why not? It’s full of awful humans!
//

112 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:30:13pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly surprised that none of them have proposed a totally privatized military.

There are so few places worth the pillage..

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:32:03pm

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

The fresh breads for tonight’s supper

Next time hubby is in Detroit area to restore power, I’m telling him to make sure he stops at the Babushka house to make sure you have electricity…

114 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:32:30pm

re: #97 freetoken

Ron Paul: End government control of organ transplants and compensate donors

Hmmm… in the not too distant future, libertarian wingnuts will be proposing that welfare recipients sell an organ every year to remain on the dole.

Libertarians: looking forward to a future composed of science-fiction dystopia memes.

115 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:32:39pm

re: #97 freetoken

Ron Paul: End government control of organ transplants and compensate donors

It’s almost like he completely fails to grasp the concept of self-governance, and thinks all government is an alien entity imposed from outside.

116 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:32:50pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

Next time hubby is in Detroit area to restore power, I’m telling him to make sure he stops at the Babushka house to make sure you have electricity…

Is he a trucker?

117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:33:27pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

yeah, I liked the Friday Thurber readings at the beginning…but then it got downright creepy…

118 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:34:35pm

re: #115 GeneJockey

It’s almost like he completely fails to grasp the concept of self-governance, and thinks all government is an alien entity imposed from outside.

I always wondered that if he hates the government so much, why be a career politician?

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:34:45pm

re: #116 Gus

Is he a trucker?

He’s a power lineman (IBEW).
When there’s a storm, he’s one of those peeps working 12-18 hours a day in terrible weather to get those magic lights turned back on.

120 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:35:32pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s a power lineman (IBEW).
When there’s a storm, he’s one of those peeps working 12-18 hours a day in terrible weather to get those magic lights turned back on.

Ah. My mom was IBEW. Fine wire die lapper.

121 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:35:33pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I always wondered that if he hates the government so much, why be a career politician?

The grifting.

Also, the great opportunities for meeting fellow crypto-racists in a comfortable setting.

122 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:36:00pm

re: #102 thedopefishlives

While that theory is ridiculously over the top complicated, it is absolutely true that each Pixar movie contains an Easter egg pointing to the next Pixar movie in production. All that being said, it is a pretty interesting read to see the dots connected in a theoretical fashion.

Sure. Holes big enough to drive a spaceship through, but a lot of little connectors that could make the thing work, if you’re forgiving enough. I confess to completely missing the “Buy n Large” running joke. There was enough stuff I wasn’t familiar with about the Pixar movies to make his theory an enjoyable read, if not especially convincing.

123 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:37:06pm

re: #108 Decatur Deb

My landlord’s wife (who is also my landlady) gave him a kidney. They’re both still in their 50s. Second marriage for both, but they’re still devout Catholics (no kids together) and fairly conservative (at least he is), but the best landlords I ever had. Just signed my 4th year lease and they haven’t increased the rent yet—said they don’t unless property taxes go up. And on the spot to fix things—yet he works FT as an aircraft mechanic for a major airline and she’s a legal secy. He’s not doing too shabbily for a guy who started out in a coal mine. The second person (first was former next door neighbor) in this area I’ve met that came from WVA Italian coal mining heritage. There’s even a festival: wvihf.com

124 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:37:11pm

re: #120 Gus

Ah. My mom was IBEW. Fine wire die lapper.

She was apparently one of the best in the biz. She’s still around mind you. But they used to export fine gold wire TO Germany.

125 Lawrence Schmerel  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:37:19pm

It’s disturbing to me that Pat Robertson and I graduated from the same school. He’s a lot older than me though.

126 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:37:36pm

re: #121 The Ghost of a Flea

The grifting.

Also, the great opportunities for meeting fellow crypto-racists in a comfortable setting.

True. I have to say, I was always amused by his claims that he didn’t write the stuff that showed up in his newsletter. So, either he’s a liar or he doesn’t look over the crap written in his name. Ron Paul’s a fucking moron.

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:38:16pm

re: #120 Gus

Ah. My mom was IBEW. Fine wire die lapper.

Love the IBEW folks. They know the magic.

128 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:38:34pm

re: #120 Gus

I was IBEW at the Philco-Ford plant in Philly. Waaay back.

129 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:39:18pm

re: #121 The Ghost of a Flea

The grifting.

Also, the great opportunities for meeting fellow crypto-racists in a comfortable setting.

The RWNJs make a mistake in their banzai attacks on Obama—He will never run for office again.

Neither will Ron Paul. He does not exist politically, except as a prefigure for his dangerous nutcase son.

130 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:41:27pm

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

I was IBEW at the Philco-Ford plant in Philly. Waaay back.

Appliances?

131 Interesting Times  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:41:40pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Man, that Oxford comma is a hard habit to break.

Image: oxford_comma1.jpg

132 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:42:06pm

Think my brother was IBEW for a while too. He was making heavy wire and cabling.

133 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:42:07pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s a power lineman (IBEW).
When there’s a storm, he’s one of those peeps working 12-18 hours a day in terrible weather to get those magic lights turned back on.

Ahhhh. *makes note to self not to curse the PSE&G crews next time the power goes down and is slow to be restored*

134 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:42:33pm

re: #131 Interesting Times

Image: oxford_comma1.jpg

Ha!

135 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:43:19pm

Think it was a sub of Roebling Wire.

136 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:44:10pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Rand is just more open about the “let the states decide” thing really being about people having much weaker civil liberties, such that states can bring in all kinds of social conservative hogwash.

137 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:44:20pm

Image: Roebling-thumb5.jpg

138 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:45:11pm

One more delightful politician/gunfondler from Texas:

God and guns win votes in East Texas, and Attorney General Greg Abbott talked plenty of both Tuesday.
Taking his shiny new gubernatorial campaign out for a spin past all his hometowns, Abbott almost wistfully remembered his childhood: “Longview is where I first felt the grip of a gun.”
………….
With the exception of 2010’s vivid three-way primary, Texas’ next governor is chosen by the 700,000 most ardent party voters.

They want to hear how much you love the Second Amendment, and how much you hate Washington and federalism, and how many times you sued President Obama.

For Abbott and his leading opponent, Port Lavaca Republican Tom Pauken, this campaign is about who’s more conservative, and whether either can look even more aggressive than the new party firebrand, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz.

star-telegram.com

139 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:45:38pm

re: #130 Gus

TVs. Philcos and store brand for Corvette’s. They closed the plant and sent the mfg to Brazil…we fought, but that was the beginning of what we see today. I made the grand sum of $3.50/hr, actually not too bad in 1972. I wrapped and soldered capacitors for tuners at 6 per min. And we stopped the line a lot when they tried to speed us up. I rather enjoyed it; a different vibe from working in an office.

140 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:46:21pm

re: #136 The Ghost of a Flea

Rand is just more open about the “let the states decide” thing really being about people having much weaker civil liberties, such that states can bring in all kinds of social conservative hogwash.

The worst thing about Rand are idiot liberals who think he’s “one of the good ones.” His economic policies alone would set this country back years and that’s not even considering his idiotic beliefs on things like same sex marriage and racial discrimination.

141 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:46:52pm

To me, best thing about IBEW is the union training. These days they partner with some community colleges and that’s great, but best thing is the actual hands-on union training.
And the people who think they are so hot and “safety is only a suggestion”…they’re out on their azzes post haste, because safety is ALWAYS top thing, no matter how inconvenient it may be.
Hubby is working a special transmission project in Indiana right now in a horrendous heatwave…but the FR clothing and rubberup gloves, hot as they are on a good day, are still top priority.
The teabaggers whine about union thugs, but I would dare them to spend a day doing what IBEW folks do…

142 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:47:36pm
143 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:47:37pm

re: #120 Gus

Ah. My mom was IBEW. Fine wire die lapper.

Okay, I tried googling the bolded part, but I still don’t get WTF it means. You got some splainin’ to do.

144 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:47:55pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

You know what, I’m going to say it loudly here but even if Obama was Muslim, there shouldn’t be anything wrong with it. The prejudice that Pat and those like him ferment against Muslims is the same crap that Catholics and Jews dealt with in the page in this country and it wasn’t right then and it sure as hell isn’t right then. But Obama’s not a crypto-Muslim. He enjoys beer too much to be one.

THIS.

WTF is crypto muslim even supposed to mean to anyone?

145 BroncD  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:48:09pm

Just asking questions!
Could someone please tell me what, exactly, Obama has actually done to destroy Judeo-Christian values in this country? Like, what verifiable and not-completely-made-up thing has he done that serves to destroy J-C values? I feel like I’d have heard more about this if it were a real thing.

146 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:48:11pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly surprised that none of them have proposed a totally privatized military.

They’ll go in the other direction.

Service guarantees citizenship. /would you like to know more?

147 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:49:43pm

FFS. I have family visiting. Brother in law tried to engage me in a “Muslims are taking over the world” conversation. He’s reading “Marked for Death” by Geert Wilders.
He can’t leave soon enough!

148 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:50:45pm

re: #142 Gus

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Oh boy, here we go again with the conspiracy fodder.

149 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:50:59pm

re: #144 Political Atheist

THIS.

WTF is crypto muslim even supposed to mean to anyone?

Someone who works crosswords in Arabic. Real challenge.

150 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:51:01pm
151 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:51:10pm

re: #144 Political Atheist

THIS.

WTF is crypto muslim even supposed to mean to anyone?

I mean I think some people like Robertson forget the 1st amendment applies to people of all faiths and non-faiths not just people like him. I’ve seen a lot of crazy crap claimed that the Founders did not intend to give freedom of religion protections to Muslims or non-Christians. That’s just flat out not true.

152 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:51:43pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

Okay, I tried googling the bolded part, but I still don’t get WTF it means. You got some splainin’ to do.

news.google.com

153 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:52:07pm

re: #145 BroncD

Just asking questions!
Could someone please tell me what, exactly, Obama has actually done to destroy Judeo-Christian values in this country? Like, what verifiable and not-completely-made-up thing has he done that serves to destroy J-C values? I feel like I’d have heard more about this if it were a real thing.

I believe Harry G. Frankfurt has the answer:

Bullshitting, as he notes, is not exactly lying, and bullshit remains bullshit whether it’s true or false. The difference lies in the bullshitter’s complete disregard for whether what he’s saying corresponds to facts in the physical world: he “does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.”
amazon.com

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:53:26pm

re: #133 CuriousLurker

Ahhhh. *makes note to self not to curse the PSE&G crews next time the power goes down and is slow to be restored*

Oh! Hubby was in Summit, NJ, as one of the out-of-state crews restoring power for PSE&G customers for a couple of weeks restoring power after Hurricane Sandy. The folks in Summit were really great…they had a Facebook page and I got to know a lot of them, and they got to know the linemen. It turned out to be a really positive experience during a really bad situation.

155 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:54:29pm

re: #147 Dancing along the light of day

FFS. I have family visiting. Brother in law tried to engage me in a “Muslims are taking over the world. He’s reading “Marked for Death” by Geert Wilders.
He can’t leave soon enough!

Oh no. Heh. Almost wish I could chime in to chip away at that foolishness. Popcorn time for spectators.
Do you believe in religious freedom.. Or not so much?
Innocent until proven guilty? No?


Thank you sir for pointing out the advantages of Sharia law.

156 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:54:36pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

Okay, I tried googling the bolded part, but I still don’t get WTF it means. You got some splainin’ to do.

This.

157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:55:11pm

re: #142 Gus

[Embedded content]

without “concent”? What is that?

158 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:55:38pm

re: #152 Gus

news.google.com

“…a man experienced in diamond wire drawing die lapping.” Sorry, but I still totally don’t get it.

159 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:56:32pm

re: #158 CuriousLurker

Here’s some more:
books.google.com

160 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:57:10pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s a power lineman (IBEW).
When there’s a storm, he’s one of those peeps working 12-18 hours a day in terrible weather to get those magic lights turned back on.

Speaking of, our local utility is busy installing new taller power poles. They’re supposed to improve service and reduce outages due to downed trees (the lines will be above the tree line.

So what is happening a few towns over? A few people are complaining because the new poles are towering over everything else. They’re calling on PSEG to stop installing the new poles, even though it will improve the chances the lights stay on in bad weather. One lawyer was complaining that this somehow violated zoning rules (they don’t btw, and the town approved the move in any event). Other nearby towns (including ours) had no issues with the new poles going up since it meant that we might get to keep the lights on in storms like Sandy or the ice storm a few years back.

NIMBYism run amok. They don’t want to see the improvements they’ve been demanding when the lights are out, but don’t want to either spend the money to bury the lines, and move to stop installation of the very systems that will prevent the lights from going out.

161 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:58:27pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh! Hubby was in Summit, NJ, as one of the out-of-state crews restoring power for PSE&G customers for a couple of weeks restoring power after Hurricane Sandy. The folks in Summit were really great…they had a Facebook page and I got to know a lot of them, and they got to know the linemen. It turned out to be a really positive experience during a really bad situation.

That’s great! Power was out here for about 5 (very long) days. You know what the weirdest part was? How freaking QUIET it is when all electronics are off. That, and how important daylight is to getting things done.

162 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:59:15pm

re: #144 Political Atheist

THIS.

WTF is crypto muslim even supposed to mean to anyone?

A Muslim who has converted to Christianity and participates in the trappings and social rituals of the faith, but secretly practices Islam in private.

AKA, what Ferdinand and Isabella were so worried about after they put the boot to Boabdil and forcibly converted all the Muslims and Jews. And coincidentally, if somebody got outed, you got to steal their stuff…again….

Edited to add: I can’t guarantee that Robertson is using the term correctly, because his brain is basically custard, but the denoted usage fits neatly into all the other variants of “secret Mooslem!” running around.

163 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:59:16pm

re: #158 CuriousLurker

“…a man experienced in diamond wire drawing die lapping.” Sorry, but I still totally don’t get it.

en.wikipedia.org

164 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 6:59:45pm


Heh. Good friend Sgt. Biggs. Uh huh.

165 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:00:28pm

re: #163 Gus
re: #161 CuriousLurker

Couple of things-
we do wire drawing all day at the shop I work for. In precious metals we use different jargon. But to get wire into the next smaller die, or hole it has to be carefully tapered. Lapping or shaping that wire into the best shape to continue is a heck of a skill.

Making those diamond dies BTW must be amazing.

166 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:00:50pm
167 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:01:17pm

re: #165 Political Atheist

Couple of things-
we do wire drawing all day at the shop I work for. In precious metals we use different jargon. But to get wire into the next smaller die, or hole it has to be carefully tapered. To lapping that wire into the best shape to continue is a heck of a skill.

Making those diamond dies BTW must be amazing.

That’s what she used to do. Super fine wire.

168 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:01:46pm

re: #160 lawhawk

NIMBYism run amok. They don’t want to see the improvements they’ve been demanding when the lights are out, but don’t want to either spend the money to bury the lines, and move to stop installation of the very systems that will prevent the lights from going out.

Thus there shall always be NIMBY idiots.
They want to flip a switch and magically have their lights and appliances to work, but they don’t want to see the high poles, the transmission lines, the power plants.
These are the same people who don’t want landfills near them but seem to think the garbage trucks pick up their trash every week and it just magically disappears. Same way their sh*t magically flushes away but gawd forbid they get a boil water order or a waste water treatment plant gets built in their neighborhood.

169 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:02:05pm


Derp.

170 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:02:49pm

EVEN THE PHOTOGRAPHY WAS CONTROLLED! THE LATIMES WAS IN ON THIS!

171 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:03:31pm

re: #167 Gus

That’s what she used to do. Super fine wire.

We go pretty small, 30 gauge or so for wire that is used in weaving or laser welding. Tried to make 40 gauge never got it to work.

172 AlexRogan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:04:42pm

re: #89 BongCrodny

So, have you seen this yet? :)

The Pixar Theory - One Universe, One Timeline

Wow…

173 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:05:07pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker

That’s great! Power was out here for about 5 (very long) days. You know what the weirdest part was? How freaking QUIET it is when all electronics are off. That, and how important daylight is to getting things done.

I know about the quiet!
Weirdest thing for me about the days after 9/11 was the total lack of air traffic. Living in the backwoods, I really hadn’t noticed air traffic that much despite living under a major metropolitan airport path (frogs at night are pretty loud, after all). But those days after 9/11, the frogs were REALLY loud.

174 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:06:28pm

re: #159 jaunte

Here’s some more:
books.google.com

re: #163 Gus

en.wikipedia.org

re: #165 Political Atheist

Couple of things-
we do wire drawing all day at the shop I work for. In precious metals we use different jargon. But to get wire into the next smaller die, or hole it has to be carefully tapered. To lapping that wire into the best shape to continue is a heck of a skill.

Making those diamond dies BTW must be amazing.

Ohhhhhh, okay. *lightbulb turns on*

So the wire is passed/drawn through successively smaller holes (diamond dies) until it reaches the desired thinness, and the entire process i called “lapping”, right?

175 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:06:30pm

Whoa - Rachel Maddow just showed an unbelievably horrible video from an anti-immigration rally in DC.

Youtube Video

176 AlexRogan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:07:16pm

re: #109 GeneJockey

I gotta say I’m really surprise that no Conservatives have proposed something along the lines of Larry Niven’s Organ Banks, but I suppose it’s because we don’t execute enough people yet to make it worth while.

Well, just looking at Texas, it’s not from lack of trying.

177 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:07:57pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Ohhhhhh, okay. *lightbulb turns on*

So the wire is passed/drawn through successively smaller holes (diamond dies) until it reaches the desired thinness, and the entire process i called “lapping”, right?

Yep.

178 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:08:46pm

re: #160 lawhawk

We suddenly started getting solar panels on all our light poles. Are you guys getting those?

179 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:09:31pm
180 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:09:36pm

“When you learn about breeding you learn that you cannot breed Secretariat to a donkey and expect to win the Kentucky Derby. You guys have incredible DNA and don’t forget it.”

181 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:10:22pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

I just don’t even… what was he saying about Martin Luther King?

182 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:10:43pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

OMFG.

183 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:11:07pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

Who was that speaking?

184 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:11:35pm

re: #183 jaunte

Some racist asshole.

185 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:12:03pm
186 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:12:21pm

Ugly Opposition to Immigration Reform Comes Back to Capitol Hill | the Nation

Ken Crow, who used to be president of Tea Party of America until he bungled logistics of a Sarah Palin speech and is now affiliated with Tea Party Community, got up and started talking about “well-bred Americans.”

Here is some video of what followed, in which he made a straightforward case for racial purity. (Apologies for the quality; I didn’t anticipate something that crazy to about be said and so I wasn’t well-positioned. But the audio should be clear.)

187 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:12:49pm

re: #177 Gus

Yep.

Thanks, I feel much smarter now.

188 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:13:02pm

Woot!

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Blue Angels

189 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:13:04pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Whoa - Rachel Maddow just showed an unbelievably horrible video from an anti-immigration rally in DC.

[Embedded content]

The British Empire called.

They want their scientific racist talking points back.

190 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:13:15pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

Ugly Opposition to Immigration Reform Comes Back to Capitol Hill | the Nation

Ladies and gentlemen, the GOP party base.

191 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:13:34pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

The lapping is tapering the end or the wire so it can start into the next smaller die. Each squeezes the wire into a smaller diameter and forces the lengthening. Lots of friction and some heating happens. So the die does the size work, the lapping is an in between step. We use a wet process so the heating of the lapping does not make that tiny bit of wire at the and go brittle enough to break off in the die. A splendid way to ruin the die. Or waste time & material.

192 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:13:37pm

More:

Not only was this said in the presence of hundreds of people on Capitol Hill, but many important Republican politicians were present. Senator Jeff Sessions, who helped lead the opposition to the immigration bill in the Senate, was directly behind me, glad-handing attendees, as I shot this video. Congressman Steve King, who is taking up Session’s mantle in the House, was also there. Both men spoke (Sessions is the keynote), and Senator Ted Cruz is also on the roster. The rally was promoted by major conservative media figures like Laura Ingraham.

In other words, the rally and its place on the political landscape is impossible to ignore. Last month, another hard-right rally featured Representative Michele Bachmann holding up a white baby and talking about the “future of America”—not quite as explicit, but mainly a difference in degree.

193 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:13:41pm

The older white attendees seemed amenable to all the race talk, especially when the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson opened with the quip: “It’s so hot out here, I’m turning black.”
thedailybeast.com

“As speakers left the stage, they cycled directly to the media pen for interviews with Breitbart.com, which was live-streaming the show.”

194 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:13:50pm

re: #178 CuriousLurker

PSEG started the nation’s largest distributed solar power project a couple of years back. That included putting up thousands of the panels on poles. We’ve got a ton of them nearby - none on our block though b/c of the trees.

New Jersey has one of the more aggressive solar power programs in the country - there are solar installations all over - at the Bergen County Courthouse parking garage (rooftop), across from the Bergen County Jail in Hackensack, and in Rutherford near NJ Transit. There’s new stuff coming every few months.

I just can’t wait to see them get the wind turbines installed offshore though - that’ll really boost power generation. We go up to Central NY and in the past couple of years, there’s been an explosion in the number of wind turbines installed all over there (and the NIMBY’s are busy there too - with complaining about how turbines make people sick with the noise/whine - which so far is completely unsubstantiated as an actual medical condition).

195 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:14:34pm

Good book.

196 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:15:23pm

Tea Party leader Ken Crow of the Tea Party Community, used classic racist rhetoric to explain that Latinos are genetically inferior to whites and blacks. Here is the transcript:

From those incredible blood lines of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and John Smith. And all these great Americans, Martin Luther King. These great Americans who built this country. You came from them. And the unique thing about being from that part of the world, when you learn about breeding, you learn that you cannot breed Secretariat to a donkey and expect to win the Kentucky Derby. You guys have incredible DNA and don’t forget it.

- See more at: nysiaf.org

197 AlexRogan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:15:30pm

re: #150 Gus

Tin foil hats —-> “Alex Jones Show: Tuesday (7-16-13) Marilu Henner, SSgt Joe Biggs,Wayne Madsen,Ted Nugent…” t.co

— Gus (@Gus_802) July 17, 2013

Marilu Henner on the Alex Jones Show?

*shakes head*

198 Stanley Sea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:15:55pm
199 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:15:56pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

More:

They’re not even trying anymore to hide the racism, they’re putting on display because they know their base gobbles it up. Generations of aging, racist white fuckheads who are voting basically to erase every advance we made as a nation in the 60’s.

200 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:16:00pm

re: #181 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I just don’t even… what was he saying about Martin Luther King?

He was being included in the “great men whose DNA help us be democratic.”

Zero chance of cynicism in that name drop….

201 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:16:29pm

re: #181 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I just don’t even… what was he saying about Martin Luther King?

His ancestors were ‘legals’, even if they did get a terrific break on the fare.

202 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:16:59pm

re: #191 Political Atheist

The lapping is tapering the end or the wire so it can start into the next smaller die. Each squeezes the wire into a smaller diameter and forces the lengthening. Lots of friction and some heating happens. So the die does the size work, the lapping is an in between step. We use a wet process so the heating of the lapping does not make that tiny bit of wire at the and go brittle enough to break off in the die. A splendid way to ruin the die. Or waste time & material.

Thanks, got the lapping part now. That’s interesting—it never occurred to me to wonder how wire is made.

203 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:17:01pm

re: #196 jaunte

Tea Party leader Ken Crow of the Tea Party Community, used classic racist rhetoric to explain that Latinos are genetically inferior to whites and blacks. Here is the transcript:

And by that logic, George Zimmerman’s mother is inferior to Trayvon Martin’s.

Wingnut logic, how does it work?

204 kirkspencer  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:17:09pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Ohhhhhh, okay. *lightbulb turns on*

So the wire is passed/drawn through successively smaller holes (diamond dies) until it reaches the desired thinness, and the entire process i called “lapping”, right?

and
re: #177 Gus

Yep.

er, no? Lapping is the careful grinding of the wire, in this case to form the taper. (vice careful grinding of a plane’s sole plate to true it - make it absolutely flat - or lapping lenses to produce the curvature.)

205 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:17:43pm

re: #204 kirkspencer

and


er, no? Lapping is the careful grinding of the wire, in this case to form the taper. (vice careful grinding of a plane’s sole plate to true it - make it absolutely flat - or lapping lenses to produce the curvature.)

I don’t know.

206 Interesting Times  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:18:19pm

re: #196 jaunte

Tea Party leader Ken Crow of the Tea Party Community, used classic racist rhetoric to explain that Latinos are geneticall inferior to whites and blacks. Here is the transcript:

Did he wax poetic about precious bodily fluids as well? 9_9

seriously, WTF is this? It’s like America had a sewer filled with racists, misogynists, homophobes, and religious bigots, and now it’s backed up and overflowing and stinking up everything.

207 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:18:54pm

TO:BLUEANGELS

GUS802 IS A NAZI AND HE HAS A HERNIA AND LIVED IN HIS SISTERS GARAGE!!11TY

208 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:19:45pm

re: #178 CuriousLurker

We suddenly started getting solar panels on all our light poles. Are you guys getting those?

pseg.com

209 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:20:12pm

re: #194 lawhawk

PSEG started the nation’s largest distributed solar power project a couple of years back. That included putting up thousands of the panels on poles. We’ve got a ton of them nearby - none on our block though b/c of the trees.

New Jersey has one of the more aggressive solar power programs in the country - there are solar installations all over - at the Bergen County Courthouse parking garage (rooftop), across from the Bergen County Jail in Hackensack, and in Rutherford near NJ Transit. There’s new stuff coming every few months.

I just can’t wait to see them get the wind turbines installed offshore though - that’ll really boost power generation. We go up to Central NY and in the past couple of years, there’s been an explosion in the number of wind turbines installed all over there (and the NIMBY’s are busy there too - with complaining about how turbines make people sick with the noise/whine - which so far is completely unsubstantiated as an actual medical condition).

I’ll be darned. I was completely unaware of all that. Thanks!

210 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:20:14pm

re: #198 Stanley Sea

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Wait, the juror in a rush to sell her story is making one up as she goes along? The hell you say!

///

211 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:20:43pm

re: #199 Targetpractice

They’re not even trying anymore to hide the racism, they’re putting on display because they know their base gobbles it up. Generations of aging, racist white fuckheads who are voting basically to erase every advance we made as a nation in the 60’s.

But fortunately there is still a generation of aging white and black veterans of the ’60s to stop them.

212 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:20:56pm

My Norwegian and Scottish DNA doesn’t give me any democratic instincts.

Plenty of insight into my affinity for Scotch and robbing Lindisfarne Abbey.

213 Stanley Sea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:21:07pm
214 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:21:46pm

re: #213 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Good!

215 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:22:09pm

re: #204 kirkspencer

and


er, no? Lapping is the careful grinding of the wire, in this case to form the taper. (vice careful grinding of a plane’s sole plate to true it - make it absolutely flat - or lapping lenses to produce the curvature.)

Thanks—got it.

216 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:22:59pm
217 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:25:32pm

re: #216 Gus

Congratulations.

218 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:30:45pm

re: #217 thedopefishlives

Congratulations.

Saw them twice with the Skyhawk and Phantom at Lakehurst NAS. Then twice with the Hornet at Fleet Week SF and later Denver. Ever since then the bozos that run DIA have been preventing them from doing a demo in Denver. The last one (airshow) included an F-14 Tomcat demo which was awesome.

219 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:37:54pm

re: #218 Gus

Saw them twice with the Skyhawk and Phantom at Lakehurst NAS. Then twice with the Hornet at Fleet Week SF and later Denver. Ever since then the bozos that run DIA have been preventing them from doing a demo in Denver. The last one (airshow) included an F-14 Tomcat demo which was awesome.

I saw the Thunderbirds at Grissom AFB (now Grissom ARB of the Indiana Air National Guard) at an air show many years ago. The Falcons were impressive, but I would rather see the Blue Angels in the Hornets if I had a choice.

220 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:41:48pm

re: #219 thedopefishlives

I saw the Thunderbirds at Grissom AFB (now Grissom ARB of the Indiana Air National Guard) at an air show many years ago. The Falcons were impressive, but I would rather see the Blue Angels in the Hornets if I had a choice.

Saw them at McGuire AFB. F-4E, T-38, and the F-16. Blues rules.

221 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:47:13pm

re: #219 thedopefishlives

I saw the Thunderbirds at Grissom AFB (now Grissom ARB of the Indiana Air National Guard) at an air show many years ago. The Falcons were impressive, but I would rather see the Blue Angels in the Hornets if I had a choice.

My dad saw the Birds in Argentina. F-100 Super Sabre. Also met President Eisenhower briefly. He was drafted into the AAF for 2 years. Used to sneak out of the barracks at night to meet with me mum. I was born in the air force hospital. Mid-wife.


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