Tea Party Speaker at Anti-Immigrant Rally: “You Can’t Breed Secretariat to a Donkey and Win the Kentucky Derby”

It’s racism, folks. No other word for it.
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The Nation’s George Zornick reports: Ugly Opposition to Immigration Reform Comes Back to Capitol Hill.

Ken Crow, who used to be president of Tea Party of America until he bungled logistics of a Sarah Palin speech and is now affiliated with Tea Party Community, got up and started talking about “well-bred Americans.”

Here is some video of what followed, in which he made a straightforward case for racial purity. (Apologies for the quality; I didn’t anticipate something that crazy to about be said and so I wasn’t well-positioned. But the audio should be clear.)

The transcript:

From those incredible blood lines of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and John Smith. And all these great Americans, Martin Luther King. These great Americans who built this country. You came from them. And the unique thing about being from that part of the world, when you learn about breeding, you learn that you cannot breed Secretariat to a donkey and expect to win the Kentucky Derby. You guys have incredible DNA and don’t forget it.

Not only was this said in the presence of hundreds of people on Capitol Hill, but many important Republican politicians were present. Senator Jeff Sessions, who helped lead the opposition to the immigration bill in the Senate, was directly behind me, glad-handing attendees, as I shot this video. Congressman Steve King, who is taking up Session’s mantle in the House, was also there. Both men spoke (Sessions is the keynote), and Senator Ted Cruz is also on the roster. The rally was promoted by major conservative media figures like Laura Ingraham.

In other words, the rally and its place on the political landscape is impossible to ignore. Last month, another hard-right rally featured Representative Michele Bachmann holding up a white baby and talking about the “future of America”—not quite as explicit, but mainly a difference in degree.

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1 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:20:20pm

Tea Party Community: It’s Just Like Facebook, But Only For Conservatives

If you’re an outspoken conservative who’s sick of getting bullied by your liberal “friends” on Facebook, Tea Party Community might just be the place for you.

According to co-founder Ken Crow, “It’s a new home for conservatives and the Tea Party movement in America. It’s a social community just for them.”

Crow recently partnered with Tim Selaty Sr. and Jr. to create a “safe haven for the conservative movement where we can share ideas and thoughts and express ourselves without fear of retribution.”

2 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:21:41pm

re: #1 jaunte

Tea Party Community: It’s Just Like Facebook, But Only For Conservatives

Safe haven? They don’t know much about the internet, do they? ; )

3 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:21:51pm

The Tea Party, aka the Know-Nothings of the 21st Century.

4 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:23:35pm

Well, Ken Crow’s parents apparently produced a jackass.

5 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:24:06pm

You’ll have to pry the cranial calipers from his cold dead hands.

calipers->clappers? I hate you, autocorrect.

6 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:24:43pm

Betsy Woodruff, NRO:

Andy Ramirez, the president and founder of the Law Enforcement Officers Advocates Council, says he noticed a new tone at the rally that suggests an important change in the way grassroots activists approach immigration. For the first time in a decade, he tells me, members of the conservative grassroots are itching to primary Republicans over their stances on the immigration issue. He also said the crowd was thinking in terms of how to elect an anti-amnesty president in 2016. Attendees, he recalls, said things like, “Imagine a ticket with Ted Cruz and Jeff Sessions, or imagine a ticket with Jeff Sessions and Allen West.”

Seems like the same old tone to me.

7 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:25:27pm

Tea Party Speaker at Anti-Immigrant Rally: “You Can’t Breed Secretariat to a Donkey and Win the Kentucky Derby”

this is from the soon-to-be-released best seller “14 Habits Of Highly Moronic People”

8 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:26:18pm

re: #6 jaunte

Seems like the same old tone to me.

Ahem.

NRO—bespoke turd polishers.

9 prairiefire  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:26:32pm

Yikes, that gave me a chill. Creeepy

10 DodgerFan1988  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:27:20pm

No racism here folks. Move along, move along.

11 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:27:30pm

imma whole wheat bread american with lotsa raisins

12 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:27:40pm

re: #6 jaunte

Betsy Woodruff, NRO:

Seems like the same old tone to me.

Ted Cruz and Jeff Sessions? Is that what the GOP’s Mondale-Ferraro ticket is going to look like?

13 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:28:41pm

re: #2 Justanotherhuman

Safe haven? They don’t know much about the internet, do they? ; )

If they put a tinfoil klan hood over the wireless router it might work.

14 Belafon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:28:55pm

re: #10 DodgerFan1988

Well, it’s only racism if you stop to actually listen to it. Otherwise, it’s just noise. Quit invading their privacy!

/snark

15 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:30:15pm

Showing how Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third earns his bones.

16 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:31:13pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

More from NRO:

Jack Oliver of Floridians for Immigration Enforcement, who carried a bag full of “AMNISTIA!” buttons featuring the face of the Florida senator wearing a sombrero, told me that he and others hope former congressman Allen West will primary Rubio when he likely runs for reelection in 2016. To them, his status as a tea-party darling is finished.

17 Heywood Jabloeme  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:32:03pm

Jon Stewart On The GOP Rebranding Effort: ‘What is it with you people and animal F#$%ing?’ (VIDEO)

Link

18 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:32:19pm

It’s Nazi-style rhetoric, folks.

19 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:32:44pm

Not trying to go Godwin, but that’s exactly what it is.

20 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:33:09pm

re: #1 jaunte

Tea Party Community: It’s Just Like Facebook, But Only For Conservatives

With my Alabama IP, I can probably get elected Kleagle or something

21 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:33:19pm

Just insert “DNA” for “blut.”

22 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:33:35pm

Totally O/T but I wanted to share this before I collapse into slumber…
From a fellow writer on FB today:

Imagine there’s no ocean.
It isn’t hard to do.
No whales swim below us.
And no sea serpents too.
#IfJohnLennonWroteMobyDick

Yes, we’re strange…

23 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:34:51pm

Remember when the Tea Party was all about taxes?

Me neither.

24 calochortus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:35:40pm

Yep, I’ve got incredible DNA. But then again, so does everyone else and inbreeding really isn’t as helpful as one might think.

25 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:36:12pm

Anybody get a headcount nosecount hoofcount?

26 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:36:32pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Neigh.

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:36:36pm

re: #1 jaunte

Tea Party Community: It’s Just Like Facebook, But Only For Conservatives

echo chamber…obviously Fox, Breitbart, Twitchy, et al aren’t exclusive enough…

28 Tigger2  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:36:41pm

re: #23 bratwurst

Remember when the Tea Party was all about taxes?

Me neither.

Remember when the Tea Party wasn’t about a Black President ?

Me neither.

29 calochortus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:36:46pm

re: #20 Decatur Deb

With my Alabama IP, I can probably get elected Kleagle or something

Why does “Kleagle” always sound like a cartoon character to me? A hooded beagle perhaps?

30 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:37:04pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Not trying to go Godwin, but that’s exactly what it is.

definitely - it’s the ‘impure blood’ aspect of the rhetoric that really takes it into full-on nazi territory

31 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:37:32pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

echo chamber…obviously Fox, Breitbart, Twitchy, et al aren’t inclusive enough…

If they want to win in a place like that, somebody has to show.

32 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:37:41pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Anybody get a headcount nosecount hoofcount?

Such was the case Monday, where several hundred people gathered in Upper Senate Park to denounce immigration reform as a job-killer.
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33 calochortus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:37:45pm

re: #30 engineer cat

definitely - it’s the ‘impure blood’ aspect of the rhetoric that really takes it into full-on nazi territory

Yeah, but wouldn’t a mule be way more useful than a racehorse anyway?

34 AlexRogan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:39:56pm

re: #23 bratwurst

Remember when the Tea Party was all about taxes?

Me neither.

“Taxes” is the hook to draw in the uninformed rubes; to the hardcore, it’s always been about hijacking the political process to bring about the unholy glibertarian/”conservative” nirvana.

35 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:40:30pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

It’s Nazi-style rhetoric, folks.

Who said it?

“Each animal mates only with one of its own species. The titmouse cohabits only with the titmouse, the finch with the finch, the stork with the stork, the field-mouse with the field-mouse, the house-mouse with the house-mouse, the wolf with the she-wolf, etc.”

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:41:23pm

re: #13 Decatur Deb

If they put a tinfoil klan hood over the wireless router it might work.

with some CheezWhiz and crackers…the picture is complete.

37 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:41:24pm

re: #33 calochortus

Yeah, but wouldn’t a mule be way more useful than a racehorse anyway?

it’s Animal Farm, and the corrupt members of the group of pigs rule over all

38 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:41:55pm

re: #35 AntonSirius

Who said it?

“Each animal mates only with one of its own species. The titmouse cohabits only with the titmouse, the finch with the finch, the stork with the stork, the field-mouse with the field-mouse, the house-mouse with the house-mouse, the wolf with the she-wolf, etc.”

Going for Goebbels, with a side-bet on Streicher.

39 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:41:57pm

Why didn’t this douchebucket just quote Himmler and get it over with?

“Be honest, decent, faithful and congenial towards members of our own blood but to no one else.”
Heinrich Himmler, October 4, 1943

40 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:42:38pm

Speaking of racists, Richard Cohen of the WaPo?

And that panda in Atlanta?

Is he the baby daddy?

41 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:42:55pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Not trying to go Godwin, but that’s exactly what it is.

Nothing crypto about this. //

42 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:42:57pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

It’s Nazi-style rhetoric, folks.

It’s not Nazi-style, it’s literally a parallel of the arguments used to strip Poles of their rights in 1939.

But it’s also a recapitulation of the pseudoscience of imperial Europe, that some people just couldn’t be full citizens, that democracy was for those who had the right racial traits. Indeed, the entire system of colonial exploitation hinged on a “civilizing mission” that was not just cultural, but racist, because not all of the colonized could be “civilized” (and thus enfranchised).

Which is why it’s so deeply messed up for this crop up in this US situation about an unrepresented, exploited labor force.

43 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:43:23pm

re: #35 AntonSirius

Who said it?

“Each animal mates only with one of its own species. The titmouse cohabits only with the titmouse, the finch with the finch, the stork with the stork, the field-mouse with the field-mouse, the house-mouse with the house-mouse, the wolf with the she-wolf, etc.”

Darwin?

44 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:43:32pm

re: #33 calochortus

Yeah, but wouldn’t a mule be way more useful than a racehorse anyway?

only if the mule comes with 40 acres…

45 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:43:55pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Going for Goebbels, with a side-bet on Streicher.

It’s from Chapter 11 of Mein Kampf

46 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:44:26pm

The titmouse cohabits only with the titmouse

what?? lesbian tit mouses co-habiting with other tit mouses???

47 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:44:38pm

re: #45 AntonSirius

It’s from Chapter 11 of Mein Kampf

He never was good at delegating.

48 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:45:09pm

DERP

49 calochortus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:47:12pm

re: #35 AntonSirius

Who said it?

“Each animal mates only with one of its own species. The titmouse cohabits only with the titmouse, the finch with the finch, the stork with the stork, the field-mouse with the field-mouse, the house-mouse with the house-mouse, the wolf with the she-wolf, etc.”

How did he explain hybrid gulls?

50 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:48:09pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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Keep on digging that hole, BS. Note the initials, too.

51 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:48:13pm

re: #49 calochortus

How did he explain hybrid gulls?

Jewish propaganda, probably.

52 Kid A  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:48:39pm

Remember when the Tea Party was about limited government, individual rights and personal freedom?

Me neither.

53 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:48:49pm

Leftists claim race means everything

step 1) assert strawman

step 2) assiduously ignore the obvious

step 3) profit!

54 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:49:21pm

You know who else had white parents … ?

55 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:49:44pm

Related:
Nazi racial ideology was religious, creationist and opposed to Darwinism

“…to [Houston Stewart] Chamberlain, Nazi theory was not about using selective breeding to perfect a master race, Nazi ideology was that the Aryans were already a master race, and had always been, since an original creation by God. And that the Aryan master race was now threatened by interbreeding with “lesser” races of human, which it was their duty to prevent.”

56 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:49:48pm

re: #49 calochortus

How did he explain hybrid gulls?

evil influence of secular humanists and cosmopolitan financiers

57 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:49:56pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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There are stupider RWNJs.
There are more dishonest RWNJs,
There are certainly crazier RWNJs.
But for sheer punchability, that boy has an unfortunate face.

58 calochortus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:49:57pm

re: #51 AntonSirius

Jewish propaganda, probably.

I’m surprised the Jews have time for world domination with all the propaganda they put out on such a wide variety of topics.
When do they sleep?

59 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:51:00pm
From those incredible blood lines of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and John Smith. And all these great Americans, Martin Luther King. These great Americans who built this country. You came from them.

A number of Thomas Jefferson’s descendants are black and Pocahontas married a white man, but I don’t think these guys are thinking of them.

60 Kid A  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:52:02pm

Oh, GOD, would you just shut the fuck up, you miserable, whiny-voiced donkeyfuck??!!

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53:16pm

Be prepared…

Cuteness overload

62 alpuz  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53:40pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

That I get. The tweet, not so much. What was the point Ben was trying to make?

63 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53:50pm

re: #55 jaunte

Related:
Nazi racial ideology was religious, creationist and opposed to Darwinism

Nazism was certain about the Aryan superiority thing, but not the why. For Himmler and Streicher, it was mystical-religious; for Hitler and Goebbels, it was (pseudo-)scientific. Emphasis on the pseudo-.

The Nazis were actually really, really stupid, and Nazism was really, really incoherent.

64 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:54:04pm

re: #58 calochortus

I’m surprised the Jews have time for world domination with all the propaganda they put out on such a wide variety of topics.
When do they sleep?

Sleep? You think they sleep? Oh, you poor deluded sap.

65 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:54:45pm

re: #34 AlexRogan

“Taxes” is the hook to draw in the uninformed rubes; to the hardcore, it’s always been about hijacking the political process to bring about the unholy glibertarian/”conservative” nirvana.

The Tea Party is a dumping ground for disaffected Republicans, convinced that the problem is not that they’re decaying fossils of a bygone era, but rather that they’re the only “sane” ones who realize that the country’s going “down the tubes” and they must destroy America to save it.

66 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:55:51pm

Liberals don’t think race is everything, we just acknowledge the obvious, that society still harbors and acts on some pretty godawful prejudices.

If you disagree just watch the video below.

Youtube Video

67 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:55:56pm

re: #62 alpuz

That I get. The tweet, not so much. What was the point Ben was trying to make?

Don’t quite know. I think he was working without his Scarlett and Sambo dolls.

68 calochortus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:56:06pm

re: #64 AntonSirius

Sleep? You think they sleep? Oh, you poor deluded sap.

You mean…OMG! That’s It!!!!
If I convert will I not need to sleep either? Hmmmm.

69 Kid A  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:56:40pm

DERPES! Why is this a disgrace, Laura?

70 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:57:10pm

I didn’t see most of Rachel Maddow’s show tonight, but apparently she’s now getting into the conspiracy weeds on the Tsarnaev trial? Oh, great.

71 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:58:50pm

re: #60 Kid A

Oh, GOD, would you just shut the fuck up, you miserable, whiny-voiced donkeyfuck??!!

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O_o

72 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:59:03pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

I didn’t see most of Rachel Maddow’s show tonight, but apparently she’s now getting into the conspiracy weeds on the Tsarnaev trial? Oh, great.

Copy.

73 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:59:45pm

I feel dirty for even looking up that quote. Ugh.

74 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:00:06pm

re: #62 alpuz

That I get. The tweet, not so much. What was the point Ben was trying to make?

Liberals are stupid and racist, because Ben Shapiro said something and attributed it to liberals.

So basically, the same thing as every other tweet.

The future is Ben Shapiro stamping the face of a sock puppet he controls and does the voice for, forever.

75 Kid A  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:00:06pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

The Tea Party is a dumping ground for disaffected Republicans, convinced that the problem is not that they’re decaying fossils of a bygone era, but rather that they’re the only “sane” ones who realize that the country’s going “down the tubes” and they must destroy America to save it.

1960’s: Goldwaterites.
1970’s: Silent Majority
1980’s: Moral Majority
1990’s: Conservative When Conservative Wasn’t Cool (Sen. Phil Gramm)
2000’s: Compassionate Conservatism
2010’s: Tea Party

What’s that saying about lipstick and a pig?

76 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:01:18pm

re: #75 Kid A

1960’s: Goldwaterites.
1970’s: Silent Majority
1980’s: Moral Majority
1990’s: Conservative When Conservative Wasn’t Cool (Sen. Phil Gramm)
2000’s: Compassionate Conservatism
2010’s: Tea Party

What’s that saying about lipstick and a pig?

And through them all, JBS, where money and insanity go to frolic.

77 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:01:31pm

re: #75 Kid A

1960’s: Goldwaterites.
1970’s: Silent Majority
1980’s: Moral Majority
1990’s: Conservative When Conservative Wasn’t Cool (Sen. Phil Gramm)
2000’s: Compassionate Conservatism
2010’s: Tea Party

What’s that saying about lipstick and a pig?

all animals are equal, but some animals have more lipstick than others

78 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:01:33pm

re: #75 Kid A

1960’s: Goldwaterites.
1970’s: Silent Majority
1980’s: Moral Majority
1990’s: Conservative When Conservative Wasn’t Cool (Sen. Phil Gramm)
2000’s: Compassionate Conservatism
2010’s: Tea Party

What’s that saying about lipstick and a pig?

Geez, I don’t know, but if it has anything to do with the Right’s obsession with animalfucking, I don’t WANT to know.

79 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:01:50pm

re: #1 jaunte

Tea Party Community: It’s Just Like Facebook, But Only For Conservatives Asshats

Fixed.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:02:56pm

re: #75 Kid A

1960’s: Goldwaterites.
1970’s: Silent Majority
1980’s: Moral Majority
1990’s: Conservative When Conservative Wasn’t Cool (Sen. Phil Gramm)
2000’s: Compassionate Conservatism
2010’s: Tea Party

What’s that saying about lipstick and a pig?

Her name is Palin…

81 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:03:13pm

re: #75 Kid A

1960’s: Goldwaterites.
1970’s: Silent Majority
1980’s: Moral Majority
1990’s: Conservative When Conservative Wasn’t Cool (Sen. Phil Gramm)
2000’s: Compassionate Conservatism
2010’s: Tea Party

What’s that saying about lipstick and a pig?

Molecular gastronomy cannot reinvent the turd sandwich.

(though I’m sure Ferran Adria gave it a try)

82 calochortus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:03:43pm

Time to kick back and watch the Ken Burns program on Lewis and Clark. Yeah, it’s a rerun, but well worth a second watch.

Hasta Mañana, lizards

83 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:04:24pm
“From those incredible blood lines of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and John Smith. And all these great Americans, Martin Luther King. These great Americans who built this country. You came from them. And the unique thing about being from that part of the world, when you learn about breeding, you learn that you cannot breed Secretariat to a donkey and expect to win the Kentucky Derby. You guys have incredible DNA and don’t forget it.”

I have a dream that one day, a man will be judged not by the color of his skin, but by the nucleotide sequence of his genome. - Martin Luther King Jr, NOT EVER.

84 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:05:01pm

I’m having a hard time visualizing Jesse Helms and Mitch McConnell as Secretariats.

85 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:06:07pm

re: #84 dragonath

I’m having a hard time visualizing Jesse Helms and Mitch McConnell as Secretariats.

Different race—that’s the Turtle and the Hare.

86 Kid A  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:07:11pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

REAL ‘MERICUNS!!!

87 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:07:32pm

When I was a graduate student I was also a teaching assistant for the freshman American History class. I was grading some of our first essays of the semester one night and this one kid—I will never forget this—wrote in his essay something about how “historically” whites and blacks weren’t able to breed—like donkeys and horses—but “recently” that had changed. And he asked (in his essay) why and when that might have come to be?

I must have read it three times to make sure that I was actually reading what I thought I was reading. Then I called the professor—my boss—and read it to him. He took it in stride, and said that he’d seen worse. But his message to me was “its shocking but it’s our job to teach, not judge.”

There were other incidents with this kid. Most of them were wide-eyed ignorance: he was clearly parroting what he’d grown up hearing and was unsure what to do with information to the contrary. But I think he really listened. And I’ll bet that he went home that Thanksgiving with a different perspective on the talk around the dinner table.

So, when I read and hear this “jackass” above, I understand the source of the ignorance that I saw more than 20 years ago, and I also understand that his racism is maintained by his own willful ignorance.

88 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:07:53pm

re: #76 Decatur Deb

And through them all, JBS, where money and insanity go to frolic.

Yes, but Goldwater, Nixon, Reagan, and both Presidents Bush refused to have anything to do with the JBS, Nixon to the extent of running running California congressman John Schmitz out of his congressional district for being part of the JBS.

89 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:09:05pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Uh, I don’t think Nixon liked competition.

90 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:09:26pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

Different race—that’s the Turtle and the Hare.

Well, Mitch McConnell does look a bit like a turtle, but he’s a competent and effective senator.

91 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:09:48pm

Hey now.

92 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:09:57pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but Goldwater, Nixon, Reagan, and both Presidents Bush refused to have anything to do with the JBS, Nixon to the extent of running running California congressman John Schmitz out of his congressional district for being part of the JBS.

And yet there they are, clawing like Barbarossa from under their hill, when the Party needs them.

93 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:10:41pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

I didn’t see most of Rachel Maddow’s show tonight, but apparently she’s now getting into the conspiracy weeds on the Tsarnaev trial? Oh, great.

Show business.
Show: These TV Pundits are reading a script written by staff writers from a teleprompter.
Business: MSNBC’s business model is based on the fact that a small staff of opinion writers is less expensive than actual reporters collecting news. The “show” is just filler between commercials for boner pills and detergent.

94 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:11:04pm

re: #69 Kid A

DERPES! Why is this a disgrace, Laura?

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Because she’s clueless:

Youtube Video

95 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:11:21pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but Goldwater, Nixon, Reagan, and both Presidents Bush refused to have anything to do with the JBS, Nixon to the extent of running running California congressman John Schmitz out of his congressional district for being part of the JBS.

You know what all those men have in common?

Cynically exploiting racism condones racism. Your party kind of sucks. It’s sucked throughout your entire life.

96 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:12:42pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

BTW, you and politifact were wrong, again, about something she said.
;)

97 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:13:17pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Well, Mitch McConnell does look a bit like a turtle, but he’s a competent and effective senator.

If you’re a coal mine or Yum! Brands.

…said the Kentuckian.

Dude is the Turtle King of Getting Pork For Cronies While Being Concerned About Spending.

98 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:13:30pm

Knock it off you two!

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99 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:13:32pm

Funny, I don’t remember Romney refusing to do anything with the Birchers. In fact, he told a radio host to read W. Cleon Skousen, birchiest birch of ‘em all.

100 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:14:01pm

re: #89 dragonath

Uh, I don’t think Nixon liked competition.

It was less that than Schmitz attacking Nixon for having gone to China. Nixon was disinclined to be accused of disloyalty by the congressman who represented the district containing Nixon’s home, San Clemente. So he recruited a moderate who edged Schmitz out 1972.

Schmitz was ultimately removed from his leadership position with the John Birch Society for repeatedly making openly Anti-Semitic comments.

101 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:14:27pm

re: #81 The Ghost of a Flea

Molecular gastronomy cannot reinvent the turd sandwich.

(though I’m sure Ferran Adria gave it a try)

Have you seen the elBulli doc? It’s amazing.

102 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:14:57pm

re: #99 dragonath

Funny, I don’t remember Romney refusing to do anything with the Birchers. In fact, he told a radio host to read W. Cleon Skousen, birchiest birch of ‘em all.

Koch pere was a founder of the JBS.

Makes you feel way better and his sons infiltrating politics, right?

103 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:18:20pm

re: #102 The Ghost of a Flea

Koch pere was a founder of the JBS.

Makes you feel way better and his sons infiltrating politics, right?

But his sons do not belong to the group. Is it proper in this case to judge the sons by who their father was?

104 Interesting Times  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:19:51pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

But his sons do not belong to the group. Is it proper in this case to judge the sons by who their father was?

This degree of willful blindness and naivete is downright offensive.

105 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:20:08pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

But his sons do not belong to the group. Is it proper in this case to judge the sons by who their father was?

We can judge them by their public actions, and where they spend their money.

Der Apfel faellt nicht weit vom stamm.

106 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:20:11pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

But his sons do not belong to the group. Is it proper in this case to judge the sons by who their father was?

Given that his son’s groups shill the same product under a different brand, yes.

107 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:21:52pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Well, Mitch McConnell does look a bit like a turtle, but he’s a competent and effective senator.

Competent? Eh, ok…but effective? Not when it came to his TOP POLITICAL PRIORITY:

Youtube Video

108 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:22:38pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Well, Mitch McConnell does look a bit like a turtle, but he’s a competent and effective senator.

By the single standard McConnell set, he’s been an abject failure.

Youtube Video

Is this one of those bizarro word definitions where effective means accomplishing nothing, where competence is conflated with deliberate inaction and obstruction?

109 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:22:47pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

Funny, that you were talking about Schmitz (who eventually won back his seat). Both his kids ended up being fixtures in the Republican party. One of them…

Joseph Edward Schmitz (born on August 28, 1956 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin)[1] is an American lawyer, former Inspector General of the Department of Defense (2001-2005) and a former executive with Blackwater Worldwide, a private contractor providing security services to the U.S. State Department and the U.S. military.

110 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:23:00pm

It only lasted a second, but I’m sure I just had a popup ad for a Spam-like can of horsemeat.

111 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:23:34pm
112 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:23:43pm

re: #107 bratwurst

There’s only some much you can do if you’ve got to depend on a fake to do the heavy lifting.

113 Interesting Times  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:23:59pm

re: #107 bratwurst

If you mean “competent” as in, extremely competent at being an obstructionist, useless, douchenozzle, absolutely right.

114 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:24:05pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

Beat you by 46 seconds!

115 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:24:50pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

There’s only some much you can do if you’ve got to depend on a fake to do the heavy lifting.

Who are you referring to as fake?

116 Interesting Times  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:25:14pm

re: #115 bratwurst

Who are you referring to as fake?

Boehner’s luminous orange glow?

117 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:26:12pm

re: #115 bratwurst

Who are you referring to as fake?

Pretty sure that’s a dig at Romney, which is rather ironic.

118 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:27:31pm

re: #109 dragonath

Two of his kids. Schmitz also cheated on his wife and fathered two other children out of wedlock. The sister of the two gentlemen you mentioned is Mary Fulau (nee LeToureau), who cheated on her first husband with one of her students (whom she is currently married to).

That is one twisted family tree.

119 Belafon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:27:47pm

re: #94 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

That’s exactly what I was thinking of.

120 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:28:03pm

re: #115 bratwurst

Who are you referring to as fake?

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

Pretty sure that’s a dig at Romney, which is rather ironic.

Frank’s right.

121 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:29:12pm

Romney is fake? No wonder you think tea partiers aren’t Republicans.

122 jaunte  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:30:12pm
123 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:30:27pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Frank’s right.

So the candidate you fully supported for YEARS (except for the two weeks or so you and others were persuaded Newt Gingrich was just a big enough asshole for the job) is now a fake? Amazing.

124 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:30:33pm

And apparently you can’t expect the Tea Party to realize they’re bigoted jackasses. Seriously enough with the fucking racist crap already. There’s nothing wrong about “race-mixing.”

125 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:30:37pm
126 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:31:15pm

re: #125 Gus

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I just lost some respect for Rushdie. Come on dude, Yankees really? :)

127 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:32:45pm
128 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:32:46pm

Congrats to Mariano Rivera though. I may hate the Yankees but that guy is all class. He’s the best closer ever yet he closes every game without showmanship and professionalism always.

129 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:33:06pm

re: #125 Gus

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I expect that fifty million conservatives will now swear off major league baseball forever.

130 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:33:23pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I just lost some respect for Rushdie. Come on dude, Yankees really? :)

So from back to front we have novelist, funny guy who sometimes is an asshole, and not-funny guy who always is an asshole.

131 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:34:12pm

I like it. I agree with Moore sometimes.

132 Belafon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:36:21pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t know you wore a baseball cap and glasses.

133 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:36:32pm

To be fair, Romney is a fake. Give Dark some credit, 20/20 hindsight is at least 20/20 something.

The problem is the unstated corollary, the idea that a genuine GOP candidate could have done any better. Fact is that the GOP is just thoroughly boned on the national stage and it’s utterly irrelevant who they nominate.

134 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:38:37pm

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

To be fair, Romney is a fake. Give Dark some credit, 20/20 hindsight is at least 20/20 something.

The problem is the unstated corollary, the idea that a genuine GOP candidate could have done any better. Fact is that the GOP is just thoroughly boned on the national stage and it’s utterly irrelevant who they nominate.

The sad fact is Ron Paul, Gingrich, Santorum and even Herman Cain did better than Jon Huntsman did. I know Huntsman isn’t the noble moderate many believe him to be but I thought it was pretty telling that a two term governor of a red state with foreign policy experience to boot did the worst of any of the major GOP candidates for president last year.

135 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:39:02pm

re: #132 Belafon

I didn’t know you wore a baseball cap and glasses.

Well, I didn’t know I was a novelist.

136 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:39:40pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

The sad fact is Ron Paul, Gingrich, Santorum and even Herman Cain did better than Jon Huntsman did. I know Huntsman isn’t the noble moderate many believe him to be but I thought it was pretty telling that a two term governor of a red state with foreign policy experience to boot did the worst of any of the major GOP candidates for president last year.

Huntsman made the strategic mistake of not being clinically insane.

137 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:41:05pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

Huntsman made the strategic mistake of not being clinically insane.

Yep.

138 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:42:53pm

When Huntsman stood there looking stupid when the crowd booed the gay soldier, I wanted nothing to do with him.

139 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:42:56pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

Huntsman made the strategic mistake of not being clinically insane.

Nah, Huntsman was tainted by “original sin,” aka was in any way connected to Obama. Didn’t matter that he’d resigned from the job and was trying to distance himself. So long as his named appeared anywhere in the dread “Obama Cabal’s” history, he was going to be consigned to the history books as an also-ran.

140 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:43:12pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

Huntsman made the strategic mistake of not being clinically insane.

I was just shaking my head yesterday at the fact that Huntsman DID NOT HAVE THE BALLS to raise his hand in favor of cutting $10 in spending for every $1 in tax increases. Ok, nobody did…but he was probably the only person on stage that day with enough common sense to do so, and he didn’t.

141 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:45:10pm

Huntsman showed me that he was just a different degree of nutty when he started talking about eliminating the EPA. What good is acknowledging climate change exists if you want to cut a key government agency that could be used to prevent that problem from getting worse. I don’t think Huntsman a particularly bad guy like I do Santorum, Romney, or Gingrich but I’d have an as easy choice between him and Obama as I did between Romney and Obama.

142 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:46:53pm

re: #138 dragonath

When Huntsman stood there looking stupid when the crowd booed the gay soldier, I wanted nothing to do with him.

The fact that no one did showed me all I needed to know about those jokers and their party. Really, if your audience is going to fucking boo an openly gay soldier, then shame on fucking you. One reason I could never be a Republican is the base’s downright immaturity when it comes to LGBT citizens having rights and not being treated like second class citizens.

143 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:47:04pm

Not to mention that Huntsman was, at the time he was still running, basically competing with Crazy Uncle Liberty for the same slice of the GOP base pie. But “competing” is being generous because he never really stop a chance of peeling even a microscopic fraction of the Paulian vote away.

144 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:47:33pm

re: #75 Kid A

1960’s: Goldwaterites.
1970’s: Silent Majority
1980’s: Moral Majority
1990’s: Conservative When Conservative Wasn’t Cool (Sen. Phil Gramm)
2000’s: Compassionate Conservatism
2010’s: Tea Party

What’s that saying about lipstick and a pig?

From what I see, through the 2000’s they tried somewhat to hide their crazy, whereas now they actually flaunt it as a point of pride.

145 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:50:08pm

re: #144 SidewaysQuark

If the Republicans governed more or less like they did the last 2 years of Bush, when competent people like Gates came to the fore, maybe I’d have a better impression of them.

But nooooooo. Half the base thinks Bush was “fake” for not letting the US economy totally melt down.

146 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:52:56pm

re: #145 dragonath

If the Republicans governed more or less like they did the last 2 years of Bush, when competent people like Gates came to the fore, maybe I’d have a better impression of them.

But nooooooo. Half the base thinks Bush was “fake” for not letting the US economy totally melt down.

or that Bush wasn’t a real conservative because he didn’t go around telling immigrants that they should self-deport. Whatever Bush’s motives- whether sincere about immigrants having a better life in America or protecting business interests, I much preferred his vision and attitude towards immigration than later McCain and then Romney “build the damn fance” and “self-deport.” And I agree it was better when Bush started listening less to guys like Cheney and got guys like Gates on board. Gates was a professional. I don’t like Bush but I think he could have a different mark on history had he chosen someone other than Cheney as his running mate.

147 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:55:33pm

re: #125 Gus

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Not terribly fond of any of them. Yet, it’s pleasant to see them there in that context, simply having fun.

And I hate baseball ;) It’s the only “sport” that makes Cricket look exciting.

148 Gus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:57:05pm
149 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:57:44pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

The sad fact is Ron Paul, Gingrich, Santorum and even Herman Cain did better than Jon Huntsman did. I know Huntsman isn’t the noble moderate many believe him to be but I thought it was pretty telling that a two term governor of a red state with foreign policy experience to boot did the worst of any of the major GOP candidates for president last year.

Not even close to a moderate, but yeah, him & a certain New Jersey dude are what comes semi-close to sane in the GOP right now. And neither of them will ever win another GOP primary due to that slight relative sanity.

150 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:57:54pm

Maybe if someone started writing atmospheric CO2 as batting averages, George Will might stand a better chance believing in global warming.

151 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:59:19pm

I don’t like Bush but I think he could have a different mark on history

as it was it was more like a scuff

152 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 8:59:33pm

re: #149 William Barnett-Lewis

Not even close to a moderate, but yeah, him & a certain New Jersey dude are what comes semi-close to sane in the GOP right now. And neither of them will ever win another GOP primary due to that slight relative sanity.

Right, it’s about tone as much as it is about ideology with the GOP base now. You can’t simply criticize Obama/the Democrats’ policies, you have to call them not American and pander to the rampant xenophobic cesspool that is the GOP primary electorate.

153 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:00:21pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

The sad fact is Ron Paul, Gingrich, Santorum and even Herman Cain did better than Jon Huntsman did. I know Huntsman isn’t the noble moderate many believe him to be but I thought it was pretty telling that a two term governor of a red state with foreign policy experience to boot did the worst of any of the major GOP candidates for president last year.

i tend to think it was his manner much more than his resume or positions

154 Ed E. Lishus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:00:28pm

re: #150 dragonath

Sooner or later “mainstream” deniers will come to accept the fact of AGW. They’ll simply insist on letting the “free market” fix the problem.

155 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:02:22pm

re: #154 Ed E. Lishus

Sooner or later “mainstream” deniers will come to accept the fact of AGW. They’ll simply insist on letting the “free market” fix the problem.

The free market’s “solution” basically being to ignore it until they figure a way of making money off it. Sort of like the parody in Robocop about SPF 5000 sunblock to deal with the ozone layer being gone. The free market isn’t about solving problems, it’s about sucking your wallet dry by helping you limp along.

156 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:03:05pm

re: #148 Gus

Oh, I always loved that bird. Best looking of all the delta wings… Well, perhaps the Swedish Drakken ;) but the 106, while faster, just didn’t look as good nor did the Mirage. Must have been the ductwork on the engine exhaust that gave a legitimate reason for the late fifties FINS on automobiles.

157 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:05:25pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

The free market’s “solution” basically being to ignore it until they figure a way of making money off it. Sort of like the parody in Robocop about SPF 5000 sunblock to deal with the ozone layer being gone. The free market isn’t about solving problems, it’s about sucking your wallet dry by helping you limp along.

Companies are already super-excited about the crisis economics of global warming. Real estates buys anticipating new shorelines and snapping up water rights are leading the way, but eventually it’s going to become “pay us to solve the problem we helped create” for tech and services as well.

158 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:06:20pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

So, vacuum cleaners don’t solve problems? Personal computers don’t solve problems? Both the result of free market forces.

159 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:08:14pm

re: #156 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, I always loved that bird. Best looking of all the delta wings… Well, perhaps the Swedish Drakken ;) but the 106, while faster, just didn’t look as good nor did the Mirage. Must have been the ductwork on the engine exhaust that gave a legitimate reason for the late fifties FINS on automobiles.

You do know its most famous pilot is George W. Bush, right?

160 blueraven  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:08:44pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

I didn’t see most of Rachel Maddow’s show tonight, but apparently she’s now getting into the conspiracy weeds on the Tsarnaev trial? Oh, great.

I didnt see entire show either, but what I did hear wasn’t about the Tsarnaev bombing trial but rather the triple murder case in which the FBI shot the friend of the dead Tsarnaev brother. Supposedly he had semi confessed that it was him and the older brother that murdered those three in Waltham MA.
Then he apparently attacked? the FBI and they shot him? something like that…

That whole damn thing is weird.

161 sagehen  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:09:01pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

It was less that than Schmitz attacking Nixon for having gone to China. Nixon was disinclined to be accused of disloyalty by the congressman who represented the district containing Nixon’s home, San Clemente. So he recruited a moderate who edged Schmitz out 1972.

Schmitz was ultimately removed from his leadership position with the John Birch Society for repeatedly making openly Anti-Semitic comments.

Schmitz was also one of those family-values crusaders, who turned out to have a girlfriend in another house across town from his wife, with two children… the girlfriend had been one of his students when he was a teacher. The whole story came out when an emergency room doctor reported some very odd circumstances around one of the kids needing treatment…

And in the annals of “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree”… Mary Kay Letournou is his daughter.

162 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:09:59pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

So, vacuum cleaners don’t solve problems? Personal computers don’t solve problems? Both the result of free market forces.

I’ll think of that next time I try to make a Cuisinart solve the abortion debate.

163 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:10:05pm

re: #161 sagehen

Schmitz was also one of those family-values crusaders, who turned out to have a girlfriend in another house across town from his wife, with two children… the girlfriend had been one of his students when he was a teacher. The whole story came out when an emergency room doctor reported some very odd circumstances around one of the kids needing treatment…

And in the annals of “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree”… Mary Kay Letournou is his daughter.

I was ahead of you on that last, SG:

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Two of his kids. Schmitz also cheated on his wife and fathered two other children out of wedlock. The sister of the two gentlemen you mentioned is Mary Fulau (nee LeToureau), who cheated on her first husband with one of her students (whom she is currently married to).

That is one twisted family tree.

164 Ed E. Lishus  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:11:22pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

The free market will be walking in the shadow of the valley of death, and its only hope of surviving is comforted by that rod and staff known as government regulation.

165 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:11:40pm

re: #162 dragonath

I’ll think of that next time I try to make a Cuisinart solve the abortion debate.

He said “The free market isn’t about solving problems”. Well, it does solve some problems quite well. My post was intended as a corrective to an overly broad statement.

166 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:13:08pm

Was not aware of this factoid about Schmitz
From his wiki page and there is an accompanying link.
An obituary printed in the Institute for Historical Review’s journal, the Journal of Historical Review, described Schmitz as a “good friend of the Institute for Historical Review … Schmitz attended at least two IHR Conferences, and was a subscriber for many years to the IHR’s Journal of Historical Review.”[14]
IHR if some of you have forgotten is known for Holocaust denial.

167 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:15:39pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

The free market is only going to “solve” things that make it money, not systemic ills that it helped create.

168 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:15:44pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

He said “The free market isn’t about solving problems”. Well, it does solve some problems quite well. My post was intended as a corrective to an overly broad statement.

The free market creates more problems than it solves. A great example, oil companies in drought-stricken states pumping thousands of gallons of water into the ground in the hopes of opening up previously untapped oil and natural gas reserves.

169 sagehen  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:15:49pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

or that Bush wasn’t a real conservative because he didn’t go around telling immigrants that they should self-deport. Whatever Bush’s motives- whether sincere about immigrants having a better life in America or protecting business interests…

Or not wanting to slap his sister-in-law in the face, not wanting to badmouth his nephew Georgie P (the one they’re grooming to be the next generation’s Pres George Bush). Not wanting his mom to get on his case for being nasty about the mother of some of her grandchildren.

170 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:16:02pm

If you have to constantly explain how what you’re saying isn’t racist, chances are you’re constantly saying something that is racist.

171 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:16:13pm

history has shown that without governments to keep the playing field level, free markets quickly become enslaved

172 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:16:31pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

You do know its most famous pilot is George W. bush, right?

More than made up for by his father’s time in Avengers. ;)

173 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:17:26pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Was not aware of this factoid about Schmitz
From his wiki page and there is an accompanying link.
An obituary printed in the Institute for Historical Review’s journal, the Journal of Historical Review, described Schmitz as a “good friend of the Institute for Historical Review … Schmitz attended at least two IHR Conferences, and was a subscriber for many years to the IHR’s Journal of Historical Review.”[14]
IHR if some of you have forgotten is known for Holocaust denial.

Other factoid: Schmitz was a Marine officer before he got into politics. As a result of his being a USMC Lt. Col., he is buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

Honorable service in one career sadly does not make for an honest man.

174 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:17:30pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

You do know its most famous pilot is George W. bush, right?

Dubya was an F-102 driver.

175 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:17:56pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

He said “The free market isn’t about solving problems”. Well, it does solve some problems quite well. My post was intended as a corrective to an overly broad statement.

it still isn’t really about solving problems - it’s about fairness in competition in the marketplace

the idea that it is efficient at solving problems is a theory, no more

176 sagehen  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:18:04pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

I was ahead of you on that last, SG:

by a full half-hour… i should read all the way through a thread before responding.

177 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:18:06pm

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

Other factoid: Schmitz was a Marine officer before he got into politics. As a result of his being a USMC Lt. Col., he is buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

Honorable service in one career sadly does not make for an honest man.

Too bad he didn’t stay in the USMC and out of politics.

178 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:19:29pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

Dubya was an F-102 driver.

Yes, that’s what I was saying.

179 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:20:54pm

re: #171 engineer cat

history has shown that without governments to keep the playing field level, free markets quickly become enslaved

Agreed. Free Markets and honest government are the best combination possible.

180 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:21:33pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Yes, that’s what I was saying.

Ah, I saw the comment you quoted mentioning the F-106 and assumed the was the bird being talked about.

181 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:22:29pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Too bad he didn’t stay in the USMC and out of politics.

Alas Oliver North’s disgrace of his uniform shows what happens when you mix the two..

182 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:24:29pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Free Markets and honest government are the best combination possible.

your position on the issue, then, would be different from libertines librarians arians libertarians

183 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:24:35pm

re: #181 William Barnett-Lewis

Alas Oliver North’s disgrace of his uniform shows what happens when you mix the two..

Agh don’t remind me. He nearly won and he actually used to get his hair cut at the same place I did when I lived in Fairfax County.

184 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:27:28pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Free Markets and honest government are the best combination possible.

would that we might ever have seen them!

185 AlexRogan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:29:19pm

re: #161 sagehen

Schmitz was also one of those family-values crusaders, who turned out to have a girlfriend in another house across town from his wife, with two children… the girlfriend had been one of his students when he was a teacher. The whole story came out when an emergency room doctor reported some very odd circumstances around one of the kids needing treatment…

And in the annals of “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree”… Mary Kay Letournou is his daughter.

Egads…

186 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:30:11pm

re: #182 engineer cat

your position on the issue, then, would different from libertines librarians arians libertarians

True, but I do not claim to be a libertarian. nor have I ever done so. Thus there is no inconsistency nor hypocrisy.

187 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:30:14pm

It’s simple to me. Some things are better off left to the private sector, some not, and some in between. This is what actually I think most Americans outside laissez-faire capitalists and true believing communists believe but what our arguments are about is the degree. So, I’ve always thought the whole Republicans strutting their gums as the party of capitalism and the Democrats as the party of communism was stupid.

188 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:38:28pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

True, but I do not claim to be a libertarian. nor have I ever done so. Thus there is no inconsistency nor hypocrisy.

oh, i didn’t think so

i’m more of a libertine myself - this fits in well with contemporary practice where the market is often, in practice, regulated by whores

189 prairiefire  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:43:17pm

The Democratic held House of the 1960’s and 1970’s passed the new, progressive legislation. The ladies only had to burn a few bras and the House listened. Not now, and it may be worse of a struggle ahead.

190 palomino  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:48:36pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Well, Mitch McConnell does look a bit like a turtle, but he’s a competent and effective senator.

Not today he wasn’t. McCain stole McConnell’s job (just for the day) and hammered out an agreement with the Dems on filibusters for appointees. Because McCain, despite being a crabby old fart, believes in compromise and functional executive and legislative branches. The same can’t be said of McConnell.

191 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:07:01pm

re: #190 palomino

Not today he wasn’t. McCain stole McConnell’s job (just for the day) and hammered out an agreement with the Dems on filibusters for appointees. Because McCain, despite being a crabby old fart, believes in compromise and functional executive and legislative branches. The same can’t be said of McConnell.

Yeah, but like the last deal, I wonder how long it’s going to last. Despite getting the appointees agreed to, the reality remains that there’s effectively a 60 vote requirement to pass any legislation that the GOP views as potentially hazardous to its reelection chances. It’s sad that that’s the situation we presently face with our legislature, that one house does nothing but pass useless bills on party-line votes because the majority party absolutely refuses to work with the opposition, while the other has been effectively paralyzed by an inability to pass anything on a majority vote.

192 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:10:22pm

Goodnight, all.

193 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:10:53pm

morning here, I’m off to work

194 piratedan  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:13:02pm

what is scary about this are all of the parallels….

A group of power brokers, painfully aware that history and demographics are against them. Doing everything they can to sabotage the agenda of a duly elected Presidency by effectively withholding the purse, refusing to seat his chosen administrators and plainly negotiating in bad faith for purely partisan reasons. Willing to break the government and the country itself in order to satisfy their own ideological needs.

An opposition party that is itself in transition, old guard dudes like Levin and Baucus who are so mired in the minutia of the rules and protocols that they continually enable the enfant terrible that is the Tea Party by giving them the needed cover to allow the media to distort what is actually going on in the Senate.

A sensationalist media that is less concerned with facts than they are revenue

These people on the Right, want a conflict, because conflict will amp up the fear which will drive more folks into their clutches. The very fear that they’ve been selling for decades, be it a woman, a youth or an other, regardless of race creed or rligion, they’re a one-stop hate shop. They think that there enough “patriots/paytriots” within and without the Military to restore some theological feudal fantasyland circa 1850/1950 where everyone goes to church, girls don’t go all the way until they’re married and black people and brown people should be living on that other side of town. The scary thing is, I’m not sure that they don’t have enough true believers that would fall in with them.

Something that has been attributed to Sinclair Lewis rings true here “When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the Flag and carrying a cross”.

Damn if the signs aren’t there, how do we expose this fanaticism for what it is? Means that we all have to push back against this idiocy and extremism every day instead of staying silent. Too many of us have been silent too long. This blog is a great way for us to stay connected and to keep pushing back, knowing that we’re not fighting alone.

195 Kragar  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:26:02pm

Got a game Saturday. My Dark Eldar are no where near ready, so I’ve got to decide between Space Wolves, IG or Night Lords.

196 labman57  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:28:37pm

If these tea party bigots have anything to say about it, House Republicans will propose legislation which would update the famous passage from “The New Colossus” on Lady Liberty:
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free …
But only if they are fair-skinned, English-speaking, well-educated, and emigrating from western Europe.”

197 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:29:24pm

Hey All.. I’ve been taking breaks from the news and messing with my new Linux laptop install. ( Mint ) It rocks.
I’ve been really having a blast..A nice break from Windows and iMac OS.
So I’ve been writing Bash Scripts for the last week and enjoy the hell out of it and using Oracle VMware to make a bunch of viritual Computers and different configs.
It’s a nice break from Florida court cases..Crazy
Virtualization and the ‘Cloud’ is the wave of the future.. We are standing right under it preparing for it to consume all thingss..It’s pretty freaking cool.. Everything will either move to the cloud or be effected by it in one way or anthor. Virtualization freaking rocks..
The tip of the iceberg is a cloud..
I’m running 6 Virtuals from at home…With new free Linux Hypervisor’s I could in the future run hundreds of VM’s from my own home cloud..Servers..Desktops.Mail servers..Doesn’t matter, If I screw up a computer in Virtual space I can just delete it and start over..But..I can also join with the big clouds like Google and have all that power available within my private cloud..It’s really cool Technology..

198 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:40:00pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

He said “The free market isn’t about solving problems”. Well, it does solve some problems quite well. My post was intended as a corrective to an overly broad statement.

He’s perfectly correct. The Free Market is not about solving problems. It’s about making money for people who have money. Occasionally it solves problems, or rewards hard work, or rewards innovation, but this is a side effect. Mostly it rewards having money.

199 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:42:24pm

Attention, gumshoes: Old episodes of Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego? are probably returning to PBS

If we can get this to run in perpetuity instead of Lawrence Welk, our species may yet be saved

200 dragonath  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:43:51pm

GREG, SENATOR JOE BIDEN HERE

Youtube Video

201 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:07:20pm

Cameroon: LGBTI Rights Activist Found Dead, Tortured

Keep this in mind during this discussion.

The people talking about the “DNA” of democracy and liberty are also people that cheer on un-democratic, liberty-choking activity in other countries, in accordance of what they want to do in this country.

Middle Easterners being robbed by dictators, or deprived of their rights in Islamist terror states? They can’t handle democracy, even if they’re clamoring for it. Gay people trying to be recognized as human beings and not have the consensual acts criminalized in Africa? Let’s dump money into the church and political coffers to keep them tamped down, afraid, and trapped in a system where it’s nothing if they’re killed. And if you’re trying to protest about a massive company exploiting you and your family to reap massive profits, you’re a socialist, and you deserve whatever persecution is meted out, up to and including when the private security beats you down.

This is a group of people obsessed with appropriation of the image of our nation’s foundation by armed rebellion against oppression, who feel zero empathy for anyone actually experiencing oppression—who, indeed, seem to identify with the ideals of oppressors when you examine their worldview. I can’t even begin to encapsulate the level of doublethink and hypocrisy involved.

202 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:13:04pm

deleted.

203 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:15:24pm

...

204 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:16:40pm

never mind, parody site, deleting.

205 freetoken  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:59:52am
It’s racism, folks. No other word for it.

No doubt about it.

In other words, the rally and its place on the political landscape is impossible to ignore. Last month, another hard-right rally featured Representative Michele Bachmann holding up a white baby and talking about the “future of America”—not quite as explicit, but mainly a difference in degree.

But it will be ignored, by a great number of the DC media circuit who insist on brown-nosing any important figure to get a rung up in their career.

206 freetoken  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:11:41am

This one goes out to the “Tea Party Community”:

MP3 Audio

207 freetoken  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:30:20am

The problem with setting the time machine to visit the ‘60’s is that it gets stuck there…

MP3 Audio

208 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:48:26am

Is Rachel Maddow going full steam conspiracy theorist? That whole segment about Ibragim Todashev, a Chechen immigrant described as a mixed martial arts fighter with an explosive temper and friend of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, allegedly killed by the FBI during an interview in his FL apt had me scratching my head about all the second-guessing, the Tamerlan Tsarnaev connection, and Todashev’s questioning about the 3 guys killed in Boston (variously described as drug dealers) whose bodies were covered in marijuana and their throats slit. Actually, according to this, 2 FBI agents and 2 MA State Police officers were on the scene, not 4 FBI agents. Todashev’s father, described as “a high-ranking pro-Moscow official in the city administration” has called for an investigation into his death. en.wikipedia.org

Incidentally, the only “journalist” interviewed by Maddow about this situation was described as “free lance”; sorry but I didn’t get her name. The segment should be on the RMS website sometime today.

The suggestion is that the FBI has gone full-tilt FSB, murdering a “witness” and the story told by the FBI about how this guy died being bought hook, line and sinker by a ho-hum MSM and buried. His connection to Tsarnaev and by association, the Boston Marathon bombing, are being muddled by this PR campaign. Pretty much left out is his behavior outside of his association with Tsarnaev, including his arrest for battery in an Orlando mall parking lot shortly before his death: articles.orlandosentinel.com

I sort of can see where this is leading: They were all “good boys”, don’t you know, just caught up in things about which they knew nothing. Surely. But—let the trial of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev begin—along with the conspiracy theories of his “innocence”.


The “freelance journalist” on the RMS: Susan Zalkind, freelance journalist and close friend of Waltham murder victim Erik Weissman

The video clip: MSNBC Video

209 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:43:57am

I mean, really, Rolling Stone? rollingstone.com

A new lesson in how to make the cover.

210 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:02:20am

There is a lot more to this case than can be expressed in a bullet point, sound byte or tweet.

211 AntonSirius  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:23:08am

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

So, vacuum cleaners don’t solve problems?

No, they don’t, actually.

Does a vacuum cleaner prevent the dust from getting into your house in the first place?

Or does it merely collect this week’s dust in one place for disposal over and over and over again, using parts that you need to buy replacements for at regular intervals?

212 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:23:47am

re: #211 AntonSirius

No, they don’t, actually.

Does a vacuum cleaner prevent the dust from getting into your house in the first place?

Or does it merely collect this week’s dust in one place for disposal over and over and over again, using parts that you need to buy replacements for at regular intervals?

There are vacuum cleaners that do not require bags.

213 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:25:34am

BRYAN’S DERPIN EARLY & OFTEN:
Bryan, Tina Turner moved to Switzerland in 1995.

214 Higgs Boson's Mate  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:34:25am

re: #213 Vicious Babushka

And yet Fischer seems untroubled by the legions of US companies practicing tax avoidance through offshoring.

215 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:37:58am

re: #214 Higgs Boson’s Mate

And yet Fischer seems untroubled by the legions of US companies practicing tax avoidance through offshoring.

He thinks nobody should have to pay taxes—except for poor people.

216 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:39:26am

BRYAN OUTDERPS HIMSELF.
YEAH, WHO NEEDS TO KNOW HOW TO READ!!11!! math is for librulz!!!!

217 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:50:15am

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

Compulsory education is nearly universal among the developed and developing nations. Certainly it is in Europe and Asia. Fischer is proposing an idea that would make the USA worse than most Third World countries.

Color me not surprised.

218 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:55:07am

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN OUTDERPS HIMSELF.
YEAH, WHO NEEDS TO KNOW HOW TO READ!!11!! math is for librulz!!!!

[Embedded content]

VB,

this derp is getting toxic.

Please page it or something, but it is burning my eyeballs.

219 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:56:56am

re: #218 Sol Berdinowitz

VB,

this derp is getting toxic.

Please page it or something, but it is burning my eyeballs.

U can haz a scroll button?

220 Higgs Boson's Mate  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 4:58:47am

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

Another of the many reasons that I don’t use Twitter.

221 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 5:05:15am

Oh wow, Bryan is totally Tweeting white racist crap now. Click at your own risk.

222 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 5:12:47am

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN OUTDERPS HIMSELF.
YEAH, WHO NEEDS TO KNOW HOW TO READ!!11!! math is for librulz!!!!

[Embedded content]

No doubt the LDS church is all kids in Utah need.

Look at this yahoo: en.wikipedia.org

223 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 5:32:10am
224 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 5:35:20am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

Did their computers all have links to AtlasShrugs?

225 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 5:40:51am

About “journalist” Susan Zalkind: bu.edu

Apparently this “journalist” was once a production asst at a public TV station for a short period, and the only thing I could find about her “writing” was a twitter acct in which she cleverly boosts that job into “news writer” and actually calls herself a “journalist” in her profile: twitter.com

Come on, Rachel. Step away from this, please. Don’t let fame evolve into hubris. It’s almost like Jenny McCarthy being an expert on vaccines.

226 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 5:58:39am
227 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:02:28am

DERP

228 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:05:42am

It’s morning.

you?

229 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:09:02am

re: #228 FemNaziBitch

Tired of conspiracy theorists posing as “journalists” getting free public exposure.

230 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:09:36am

re: #201 The Ghost of a Flea

Cameroon: LGBTI Rights Activist Found Dead, Tortured

Keep this in mind during this discussion.

The people talking about the “DNA” of democracy and liberty are also people that cheer on un-democratic, liberty-choking activity in other countries, in accordance of what they want to do in this country.

Middle Easterners being robbed by dictators, or deprived of their rights in Islamist terror states? They can’t handle democracy, even if they’re clamoring for it. Gay people trying to be recognized as human beings and not have the consensual acts criminalized in Africa? Let’s dump money into the church and political coffers to keep them tamped down, afraid, and trapped in a system where it’s nothing if they’re killed. And if you’re trying to protest about a massive company exploiting you and your family to reap massive profits, you’re a socialist, and you deserve whatever persecution is meted out, up to and including when the private security beats you down.

This is a group of people obsessed with appropriation of the image of our nation’s foundation by armed rebellion against oppression, who feel zero empathy for anyone actually experiencing oppression—who, indeed, seem to identify with the ideals of oppressors when you examine their worldview. I can’t even begin to encapsulate the level of doublethink and hypocrisy involved.

The anti-LGBT is rife in Africa.

231 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:10:12am

re: #227 Vicious Babushka

I like how Greenwald spins whatever Snowden says to suit whatever assertion Greenwald wants to make.

Snowden clearly and emphatically stated in his letter to McGovern that he could resist torture. Of course, the rest of the thinking world — even Greenwald himself — knows Snowden is blowing smoke out his ass.

Snowden: The sky is orange and the sun is blue!
Greenwald: What he means is NSA is a threat to democracy everywhere in the universe, and the brown M&Ms taste better.

232 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:11:14am
233 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:11:27am

re: #194 piratedan

A sensationalist media is owned by said power brokers.that is less concerned with facts than they are revenue

ftfy

234 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:11:48am

re: #227 Vicious Babushka

DERP

[Embedded content]

From the article, quoting Snowden:

[N]o intelligence service — not even our own — has the capacity to compromise the secrets I continue to protect. While it has not been reported in the media, one of my specializations was to teach our people at DIA how to keep such information from being compromised even in the highest threat counter-intelligence environments (i.e. China).

Read more: businessinsider.com

OH MY GOD HE IS CYBERMAN!

235 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:13:51am

re: #234 darthstar

From the article, quoting Snowden:

OH MY GOD HE IS CYBERMAN!

But he can’t even slip himself unnoticed out of the Moscow airport.

VLAD: WHAT GOOD ARE YOUR SUPERPOWERS NOW?? BWAHAHAA!!!!

236 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:13:54am

George Zimmerman Jurors Say B37 Spoke for Herself in Interview

237 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:14:33am

re: #234 darthstar

Snowden is full of himself. He reminds me of that Russian dude in the James Bond (Pierce Brosnan era) movie who says, “I am invincible!”

238 Ajaye  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:14:42am

re: #63 The Ghost of a Flea
Unfortunately re: #70 Charles Johnson

Yup. Had to turn it off. Clearly FBI must account for death of a suspect during an interrogation and the explanations released through leaks have been implausible and conflicting. That is all she had to say on it. She lost me when she got into the Waltham murders stuff. Just because it seems “too convenient” to pin those on dead suspect does not mean he was not involved. Disappointed she went down path of innuendo and speculation that way.

239 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:15:08am
240 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:17:29am

re: #228 FemNaziBitch

It’s morning.

you?

On my 5th cup of coffee.

Politics just got interesting in Wyoming.

Liz Cheney launched run for Senate

(CNN) - Liz Cheney, daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney, will challenge three-term Republican Sen. Michael Enzi of Wyoming for his seat in next year’s mid-term elections, she announced Tuesday in a web video.

Some Republicans not happy.

Fellow Republican blasts Liz Cheneys Senate bid as bad form

I love it when Republicans eat their own.

241 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:17:38am

re: #234 darthstar

Bloviation. Pure and simple.

He thinks he’s got one up on everyone else, especially the NSA. Underestimating everyone else at the same time.

And he ignores some fundamental problems with his current situation. He’s in an in-transit location with no sign that he’s going anywhere. Russia’s in no hurry to grant him asylum, nor is he heading anywhere else.

re: #237 wheat-dogghazi

Goldeneye - Right before a bunch of liquid nitrogen freezes him (and that’s Alan Cumming!)

Youtube Video

242 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:18:45am

re: #237 wheat-dogghazi

Snowden is full of himself. He reminds me of that Russian dude in the James Bond (Pierce Brosnan era) movie who says, “I am invincible!”

Exactly. Now I’ll need to find a screen shot of him getting iced.

243 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:20:10am

re: #241 lawhawk

Bloviation. Pure and simple.

He thinks he’s got one up on everyone else, especially the NSA. Underestimating everyone else at the same time.

And he ignores some fundamental problems with his current situation. He’s in an in-transit location with no sign that he’s going anywhere. Russia’s in no hurry to grant him asylum, nor is he heading anywhere else.

Goldeneye - Right before a bunch of liquid nitrogen freezes him (and that’s Alan Cumming!)

[Embedded content]

Right. I drew a blank on the title. But I did remember he was not entirely invincible. Neither is Snowden.

244 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:20:15am
245 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:20:55am

I AM INVINCIBLE! (better than the movie pic)

246 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:22:59am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Congrats to Mariano Rivera though. I may hate the Yankees but that guy is all class. He’s the best closer ever yet he closes every game without showmanship and professionalism always.

Yep, I was born to hate the Yankees (as a Sox fan) but I appreciate greatness.

How Jim Leyland Gave Mariano Rivera The Perfect Moment

247 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:24:20am

$150 car payment?

Just Paged it.

248 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:24:57am
249 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:28:10am

re: #236 FemNaziBitch

George Zimmerman Jurors Say B37 Spoke for Herself in Interview

So five out of six of them are starting to regret their verdict already? Or is it just jury cattiness…”We never really liked her…she was all, I’m B-37, but you can call me B!”

250 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:28:30am

re: #240 Bubblehead II

On my 5th cup of coffee.

Politics just got interesting in Wyoming.

Liz Cheney launched run for Senate

(CNN) - Liz Cheney, daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney, will challenge three-term Republican Sen. Michael Enzi of Wyoming for his seat in next year’s mid-term elections, she announced Tuesday in a web video.

Some Republicans not happy.

Fellow Republican blasts Liz Cheneys Senate bid as bad form

I love it when Republicans eat their own.

I saw that. IIRC, Liz is pro-LGBT rights …

251 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:30:17am

Stevie Wonder to boycott Florida over ‘stand your ground’ law

252 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:33:03am

has this been posted? (Elizabeth Warren vs “journalists”)
Youtube Video

253 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:38:01am

re: #221 Vicious Babushka

Oh wow, Bryan is totally Tweeting white racist crap now. Click at your own risk.

“Racialist crime”?

WTF is that? I think that a lot of folks on the right are going to be increasingly - and openly - flying their racist freak flag, especially as how yesterday Limbaugh said it was OK to call black folks “ni**as”.

The South has indeed risen again, in all it’s hideous and horrific glory. God help us.

254 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:38:45am

re: #246 geoffm33

It was indeed an incredible moment, and I was totally expecting the Citifield staff to roll out Enter Sandman, but the teams standing there to give him his moment in the sun was amazing and spontaneous.

I thought one of the best moments was when Fox caught him speaking to the AL team before the game about how it was a privilege for him to be playing with the rest of his team. Classy all the way.

But I’m a little surprised at Leyland putting him in the 8th instead of the 9th, with his claim that if the other pitchers screwed up Mariano wouldn’t get a chance to pitch since it was at a NL ballpark.

I get why they’d want Mariano to come in at the start of the inning to give him all the honorifics, but he’s the closer - and it’s not like he couldn’t come in the middle of the inning to shut things down and then go back out in the 9th to finish. Guess they wanted to limit him to 1 inning.

Minor quibble with Leyland’s strategy, but it worked out.

He got a hold - the first since 2002, and it actually harkens back to his roots in the Yankees - the setup guy for Wetteland and who began to shorten games to 6 innings for opponents (because if you didn’t score and take the lead by the 6th, Mariano would come in the 7th and 8th, with Wetteland to close it out).

255 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:40:03am

DERP.

256 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:41:15am

I dunno, should I take the “free personality test” offered in the ad in the middle of the page?

257 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:42:13am

re: #250 FemNaziBitch

I saw that. IIRC, Liz is pro-LGBT rights …

So it would seem.

Liz Cheney Would Be Fourth Republican Senator To Back Gay Marriage

There are few policy differences between Wyoming Republican Senate candidate Liz Cheney and the incumbent she’s trying to oust in 2014, Sen. Mike Enzi. Except for one issue: Gay marriage.

258 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:42:42am

#takeoverTuesday?

259 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:43:23am

re: #251 FemNaziBitch

He expanded that to include any state with SYG laws on the books.

Florida is one of 22 states that have a version of the law, which permits the use of deadly force anywhere as long as a person is not engaged in an unlawful activity, is being attacked in a place he has a right to be and reasonably believes that his life and safety are in danger as a result of an overt act or perceived threat committed by someone else.

That 22 state tally includes those with the Castle doctrine, which is different than SYG (which takes the Castle doctrine - and applies it to anywhere in the state, not just a person’s real property).

260 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:43:27am

re: #250 FemNaziBitch

So are many on the right, esp libertarians. Doesn’t make the rest of their politics any more palatable. And, don’t forget, her sister is a lesbian, too, who who was able to marry her long-time partner, Heather Poe. It’s different for Rs, who think anything that affects them, or pertains to them, directly is perfectly all right. It’s got to happen to them, first.

So, may they all go bankrupt and face living on food stamps and grubbing for minimum wage jobs.

261 piratedan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:45:06am

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

gotta love that revisionist history lesson, then these guys should have no problems with reinstating the VRA right?

262 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:47:09am
263 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:49:50am

re: #254 lawhawk

Read an article earlier this week about Rivera’s final tour around the country to different baseball sites the Yankees play in, meeting with mostly the regular people in the other teams’ organizations, lower level staff, locker room attendents, etc. Really classy stuff. A great story and a great read. I may page it.

264 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:50:02am

Martin Family’s Legal Team Speaks Out
“We need people to stay engaged — especially young people,” attorney says.

I have to say I think Martin’s parents have been consistently level-headed thruout this ordeal. I’m not sure I would be.

265 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:50:20am

re: #259 lawhawk

(which takes the Castle doctrine - and applies it to anywhere in the state, not just a person’s real property).

I’m a tad confused. Isn’t the castle doctrine supposed to be about at home and (some argue) in the car? If there is an expanded version for out on the sidewalk I think I’ll need a term for the law that covers you at home like we have in California.

266 darthstar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:50:20am

For the musicians out there:

Image: 164941_10151807922679276_480158706_n.jpg

267 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:56:43am

This is going around the wingnut circles at fb.

All I can think of is Glenn Beck.

268 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:57:01am

re: #265 Political Atheist

I’m a tad confused. Isn’t the castle doctrine supposed to be about at home and (some argue) in the car? If there is an expanded version for out on the sidewalk I think I’ll need a term for the law that covers you at home like we have in California.

and place of business—no?

269 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:58:50am

Wingnut thinks he has pwn3d me with alleged LBJ quote. (not embedded because of the N Word)

I can’t find a source to validate this quote, it’s only quoted by wingnuts. I don’t know what it is supposed to prove, other than LBJ used the N word.

270 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:59:39am

re: #265 Political Atheist

Castle Doctrine applies to a range of laws that indicate no duty to retreat. It usually applies to a person’s home/residence, but it can be much more than that.

271 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:59:45am

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!

272 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:01:48am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

Yes, LBJ’s use of the N word totally negates his getting the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act passed. And LBJ did push, and arm-twist and rally the nation to get those bills passed. Thanks for playing wingnuts. //

273 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:02:05am


Just remember that the next time someone says that the VRA is an anachronism. The GOP isn’t making it any secret that they hope to depress voter turnout to their advantage. Voter ID laws and other restrictions on voting is intended to do just that.

If they thought they could get away with poll tests, poll taxes, or other similar actions, they’d do it.

274 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:04:09am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut thinks he has pwn3d me with alleged LBJ quote. (not embedded because of the N Word)

I can’t find a source to validate this quote, it’s only quoted by wingnuts. I don’t know what it is supposed to prove, other than LBJ used the N word.

Yon wingnut has inverted LBJ’s reported statement on the CRA (or VRA)—that it would cost the Dems the South for the next 200 years.

275 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:04:30am

re: #254 lawhawk

It was indeed an incredible moment, and I was totally expecting the Citifield staff to roll out Enter Sandman, but the teams standing there to give him his moment in the sun was amazing and spontaneous.

I thought one of the best moments was when Fox caught him speaking to the AL team before the game about how it was a privilege for him to be playing with the rest of his team. Classy all the way.

But I’m a little surprised at Leyland putting him in the 8th instead of the 9th, with his claim that if the other pitchers screwed up Mariano wouldn’t get a chance to pitch since it was at a NL ballpark.

I get why they’d want Mariano to come in at the start of the inning to give him all the honorifics, but he’s the closer - and it’s not like he couldn’t come in the middle of the inning to shut things down and then go back out in the 9th to finish. Guess they wanted to limit him to 1 inning.

Minor quibble with Leyland’s strategy, but it worked out.

He got a hold - the first since 2002, and it actually harkens back to his roots in the Yankees - the setup guy for Wetteland and who began to shorten games to 6 innings for opponents (because if you didn’t score and take the lead by the 6th, Mariano would come in the 7th and 8th, with Wetteland to close it out).

I’ve long since forgotten how long I’ve been saying (as a sox fan): “Don’t worry, the Yankees and Mariano are getting old”. I’ve stopped counting the years, especially for Rivera.

276 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:04:53am

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Yon wingnut has inverted LBJ’s reported statement on the CRA (or VRA)—that it would cost the Dems the South for the next 200 years.

277 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:05:10am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut thinks he has pwn3d me with alleged LBJ quote. (not embedded because of the N Word)

I can’t find a source to validate this quote, it’s only quoted by wingnuts. I don’t know what it is supposed to prove, other than LBJ used the N word.

hmmm, like many in the extremes of the political spectrum, context isn’t a factor.

There is a name for it —quote mining?—-the logical fallacy.

278 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:05:14am
279 Mattand  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:06:53am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

It’s Nazi-style rhetoric, folks.

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Not trying to go Godwin, but that’s exactly what it is.

Yeah, if a white dude is talking to a crowd of white people about how their genetic makeup is superior, it’s not a Godwin.

280 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:08:28am
281 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:10:37am

Have to get going —Brat Puppy has a much needed play-date.

have a great day all!

282 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:11:08am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut thinks he has pwn3d me with alleged LBJ quote. (not embedded because of the N Word)

I can’t find a source to validate this quote, it’s only quoted by wingnuts. I don’t know what it is supposed to prove, other than LBJ used the N word.

LiveLeak has a video with LBJ saying some nasty racist stuff (if that really is his voice).

liveleak.com

283 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:12:02am

re: #282 NJDhockeyfan

LiveLeak has a video with LBJ saying some nasty racist stuff (if that really is his voice).

liveleak.com

LBJ was an asshole. So was Nixon. This is news?

284 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:12:55am

re: #275 geoffm33

Mariano looks like he could keep going another couple of seasons the way he still schools guys. He might not have the K per 9 innings he used to have, but he still makes people look silly at the plate. And the results speak for themselves. When he retires at the end of the year, it’s going to be tough for Yankee fans to stomach who will fill his role. No one will be able to do it the way he still does - with class, style, and ruthless efficiency.

I’ve seen stories about how he’ll talk about the cutter with any pitcher who asks, and attempts to show them how they can get it to work for them.

No one else in the game relies so much on a single pitch, and Mo discovered it completely by accident.

285 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:16:09am

Price for insurance in NYS expected to drop….

50%.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Individuals seeking to buy individual policies in New York are expecting to see a 50% drop in the premiums.

How is that possible? Obamacare.

286 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:17:41am

Relating to the recent Senate deal over executive department nominees and the “nuclear option”, the NYT had this to say about Leader McConnell’s role in getting the agreement worked out:

In the end, Republicans got little. The withdrawal of the president’s two labor board nominees was more a face-saving move than a fundamental shift. Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader who was virtually left out of the final deal by other Republican negotiators, defended it: “You can pick at it if you want to, but I think it was an important moment for the Senate.”

IOW, TEAM MITCH got left out. Leadership!

Some other interesting quotes in the article as well.

287 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:18:15am

re: #285 lawhawk

Price for insurance in NYS expected to drop….

50%.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Individuals seeking to buy individual policies in New York are expecting to see a 50% drop in the premiums.

How is that possible? Obamacare.

Look, I’d love to have single-payer as they do in Germany or France, but I’m not going to go all Greenwald and pretend that ACA is not, at very least, a big step in the right direction. How could any left-winger look at this and not concede at least that?

288 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:18:15am

re: #285 lawhawk

That settles it. Obamacare must be repealed! Freedom. //

289 piratedan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:19:48am

re: #286 Bulworth

well Team Mitch are also responsible for not telling their own caucus what’s actually in the bills they are voting for. remember the embarrassment when some R’s were lipping off about certain provisions not being in the bill and then some reporter had to point them to the WH site that actually showed what they were asking/demanding for as actually being in the bill they were voting against?

290 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:20:02am

re: #287 Ian G.

Because DRONES!! ///

291 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:21:53am

re: #282 NJDhockeyfan

LiveLeak has a video with LBJ saying some nasty racist stuff (if that really is his voice).

liveleak.com

Long-term Texas politician—shocka.

292 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:22:55am

re: #289 piratedan

From the NYT article:

The agreement came after a meeting on Monday night where 98 Senators vented for over three hours. Members of both parties admitted some culpability in the political fighting, with Democrats conceding that their headlong drive to alter the rules may have been overly aggressive.

“We’re not without sin,” said Senator Claire McCaskill, Democrat of Missouri.

Many Republicans admitted their efforts to hobble executive agencies by denying confirmation of their leadership was wrongheaded. “Cordray was being filibustered because we don’t like the law” that created the consumer agency, said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina. “That’s not a reason to deny someone their appointment. We were wrong.”

Damn, Lindsey. That little truth-speaking will have SC teabaggers foaming at the mouth.

293 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:23:35am

re: #287 Ian G.

Look, I’d love to have single-payer as they do in Germany or France, but I’m not going to go all Greenwald and pretend that ACA is not, at very least, a big step in the right direction. How could any left-winger look at this and not concede at least that?

Some left-wingers won’t ride a unicorn if its mane is braided wrong.

294 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:24:02am

re: #285 lawhawk

Price for insurance in NYS expected to drop….

50%.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Individuals seeking to buy individual policies in New York are expecting to see a 50% drop in the premiums.

How is that possible? Obamacare.

Someone might want to let the unions know about that. They are not happy right now.

295 chadu  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:24:57am

O/T

Gangnam Han Solo Style

Youtube Video

296 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:24:58am

re: #292 Bulworth

But then he turns around and says something completely asinine - that the US should consider boycotting the Sochi Olympics over Snowden.

297 Joanne  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:25:44am

re: #258 FemNaziBitch

#takeoverTuesday?

Rick Scott won’t do shit unless there’s money involved.

298 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:26:21am

re: #291 Decatur Deb

LBJ was as troubled a character as has ever been in the WH, along with Tricky Dick. Undoubtedly got fraudently elected to the U.S. in his first go-around.

He also worked his ass off as a congressional assistant to get much of his west Texas district supplied with electricity during the Great Depression. He’s quite a story overall, as told by Robert Caro in his excellent biographical volumes.

299 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:28:16am

After seeing the video of the John Spooner / Darius Simmons shooting, I can’t wait to see what jackass rationale is deployed to advocate for acquitting Spooner. The way things are going lately I’m not going to die of surprise if he does get off.

300 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:29:07am

re: #298 Bulworth

LBJ was as troubled a character as has ever been in the WH, along with Tricky Dick. Undoubtedly got fraudently elected to the U.S. in his first go-around.

He also worked his ass off as a congressional assistant to get much of his west Texas district supplied with electricity during the Great Depression. He’s quite a story overall, as told by Robert Caro in his excellent biographical volumes.

He sent me greetings once.

301 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:29:54am

re: #299 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I hope there wasn’t a hoodie involved. /

302 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:30:35am

re: #30 engineer cat

definitely - it’s the ‘impure blood’ aspect of the rhetoric that really takes it into full-on nazi territory

Impure blood, the “stabbed in the back” myth, picking out an ‘enemy’ religion as the source of most of the problems in the country/world…

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

303 Joanne  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:30:51am

re: #283 Vicious Babushka

LBJ was an asshole. So was Nixon. This is news?

Actions speak louder than words, no?

304 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:31:38am
305 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:32:26am

re: #285 lawhawk

Ooh, good news. I was getting tired of some of the paid hit pieces being run on Yahoo and elsewhere.

306 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:32:38am

I Googled “Dixiecrats joined GOP” and found a whole bunch of wingnut sites denying that it ever even happened.

307 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:33:11am

re: #302 GunstarGreen

The quote was rather confusing…was he also suggesting that MLK was a part of the pure bloodline stuff? There were, officially at least, some African American groups supposed to be represented at the rally. I imagine he’d want to appeal to however few AA were there, but then to go all ‘mating with a donkey’. Effed up.

308 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:34:00am

re: #306 Vicious Babushka

Slaves also fought on the side of the Confederacy during the Civil War. ///

309 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:34:27am

re: #308 Bulworth

Slaves also fought on the side of the Confederacy during the Civil War. ///

And they won.

310 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:35:18am

re: #306 Vicious Babushka

I Googled “Dixiecrats joined GOP” and found a whole bunch of wingnut sites denying that it ever even happened.

Strom Thurman, who?

311 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:36:06am

re: #303 Joanne

LBJ was also the force behind the War on Poverty, upon which the resentment-reactionary crew of “race realists” have based their careers whining about because of affirmative action and other benefits for the blah people….

312 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:36:31am

re: #310 dragonath

Strom Thurman, who?

Strom Thurmond flounced out of the Democrats and joined the GOP, other Dixiecrats (like Wallace) joined 3rd parties.

A bunch of wingnut sites claimed that most Dixiecrats remained Dems, they mention Robert Byrd. But Byrd had a change of heart and renounced his racism.

313 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:39:56am

Image: essie.jpg

314 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:40:17am


Steve Sanders was unavailable for comment.

315 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:40:56am

re: #313 dragonath

Image: essie.jpg

That’s Strom Thurmond’s daughter from a black woman that he raped.

316 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:41:56am

re: #312 Vicious Babushka

Strom Thurmond flounced out of the Democrats and joined the GOP, other Dixiecrats (like Wallace) joined 3rd parties.

Others (like Byrd) saw the light, repented, and served usefully in the D party. The real world is confusing.

317 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:42:56am

re: #316 Decatur Deb

Others (like Byrd) saw the light, repented, and served usefully in the D party. The real world is confusing.

People change over time, that is a concept that wingnuts & stalkers can’t seem to grasp. Nobody keeps the same opinions throughout their entire life.

318 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:43:04am

More hijinks from Thurmond:

The more recent, but similarly bizarre liaison harkens back to 1943, and the
electrocution of Sue Logue, who was Strom Thurmond’s longtime lover. As I have written in a pair of biographies of Thurmond, the opening paragraph in the applicable chapter of both books is as follows:

Of all the women ever romantically linked to Strom Thurmond, none was as deadly as Sue Logue. The judge who sentenced her to the electric chair for murder called her crime “the most cold-blooded in the history of the state.”

The driver of the car transporting her from the women’s penitentiary to the death house once told me that “Strong” Thurmond was in the back seat with her. Asked what they were doing, he said, “a-hugging and a-kissing the whole way.” She stayed in a private bedroom in the death house while awaiting the final judicial rejection of an appeal.

319 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:46:06am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

People change over time, that is a concept that wingnuts & stalkers can’t seem to grasp. Nobody keeps the same opinions throughout their entire life.

Except maybe wingnuts…

320 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:47:53am

re: #319 Bulworth

Except maybe wingnuts…

…And stalkers…

321 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:52:52am

Same-sex marriage becomes law in England and Wales


The government’s controversial legislation on the issue received Royal Assent on Wednesday.

The Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat leaderships all backed the proposals, which were finally approved by MPs and peers earlier this week.

322 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:57:50am
323 BongCrodny  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:58:02am

Oh, joy.

Sharknado 2 coming in 2014

324 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:58:41am

re: #323 BongCrodny

Oh, joy.

Sharknado 2 coming in 2014

Sharknado 2: The Quickening.

325 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 7:59:30am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

People change over time, that is a concept that wingnuts & stalkers can’t seem to grasp. Nobody keeps the same opinions throughout their entire life.

James Longstreet became a Republican (back when it actually was the “Party of Lincoln”) and appears to have worked towards African-American equality in the post-war south. No wonder the Lost Cause loons hate him and pretend that he was a disaster of a general.

326 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:00:28am

re: #324 Targetpractice


Well, of course it is. And will they go the Adrian Paul over Christopher Lambert route?

We need Ramirez! And the biggest shark on the block will be named Kurgan.

327 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:01:08am

re: #321 Bubblehead II

Same-sex marriage becomes law in England and Wales

The government’s controversial legislation on the issue received Royal Assent on Wednesday.

The Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat leaderships all backed the proposals, which were finally approved by MPs and peers earlier this week.

Are there any Brits here to explain to me why it’s law in England and Wales, but not Scotland or Northern Ireland?

328 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:01:25am
329 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:02:07am
330 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:03:24am

re: #329 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t get it, does having his face on the cover make her think they’re supporting him or something?

331 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:03:40am

re: #328 Vicious Babushka

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They’ll replace it with a billboard that has a “quote” from Thomas Jefferson about how universal healthcare is the greatest threat to liberty that exists.

332 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:05:18am

re: #327 Ian G.

Are there any Brits here to explain to me why it’s law in England and Wales, but not Scotland or Northern Ireland?

Just a stab in the dark here, but I believe N. Ireland is independent of British law and Scotland is in the process of develoution (becoming independent).

333 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:05:27am

re: #330 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t get it, does having his face on the cover make her think they’re supporting him or something?

Don’t you know that Rolling Stone is a conservative magazine? Why, they put Nixon on the cover once!

334 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:05:54am

re: #330 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t get it, does having his face on the cover make her think they’re supporting him or something?

Popularizing a mass murderer. Thought that was a bad thing.

335 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:06:10am

re: #325 Ian G.

Yeah, pretty amazing. Lee and Stonewall get lionized. Longstreet gets disowned.

336 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:06:21am

It’s OK because it’s Rolling Stone. //

337 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:06:53am

re: #330 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t get it, does having his face on the cover make her think they’re supporting him or something?

I think it’s the picture in general. How it’s composed. Makes him look like a rock star.

338 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:07:12am

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Yon wingnut has inverted LBJ’s reported statement on the CRA (or VRA)—that it would cost the Dems the South for the next 200 years.

He actually said “for a generation.”

Which proves he was a cockeyed optimist.

339 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:07:15am

re: #330 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t get it, does having his face on the cover make her think they’re supporting him or something?

A pound of prose can be negated by one waif-like image.

340 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:08:10am

re: #329 NJDhockeyfan

OFFS

341 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:08:11am

Remember?

…

“Don’t show any pictures of the mass shooter?”

342 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:09:28am
343 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:09:38am

re: #341 Gus

Was Mohammed Atta unavailable? Jeebus….

344 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:09:44am
345 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:10:04am

DERP
Hasn’t it already been investigated like, 4 times already?

346 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:10:22am

re: #270 lawhawk

Okay thanks. Home, work and maybe the car. But not out on the sidewalk, shopping etc. That would be referred to as SYG.

347 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:10:42am

re: #335 Bulworth

Yeah, pretty amazing. Lee and Stonewall get lionized. Longstreet gets disowned.

Lee ordered Pickett’s Charge, Longstreet opposed it. You’d think the Lost Causers would hold in greater esteem the man who knew that the greatest massacre of southern forces in the war was inevitable, but apparently, loyalty to a white supremacist slave state’s ideology is more important than the lives of those hapless souls who fought for it.

348 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:11:00am

re: #334 Gus

Popularizing a mass murderer. Thought that was a bad thing.

But it’s a story about how he got into being an Islamic radical murderer. How is that ‘popularizing’ him?

I mean, I’m sympathetic to the idea that we should just not report on mass murderers, that if we did that their numbers would go down, but I don’t think it actually applies in this case, I don’t think he was motivated by fame. I might be wrong, and I think the only way to figure that out is by actually looking at the guy, his past, and his motivations.

349 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:11:56am

re: #337 geoffm33

I think it’s the picture in general. How it’s composed. Makes him look like a rock star.

Yeah but GWOT, Obama and drones!

350 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:12:21am

re: #348 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

But it’s a story about how he got into being an Islamic radical murderer. How is that ‘popularizing’ him?

I mean, I’m sympathetic to the idea that we should just not report on mass murderers, that if we did that their numbers would go down, but I don’t think it actually applies in this case, I don’t think he was motivated by fame. I might be wrong, and I think the only way to figure that out is by actually looking at the guy, his past, and his motivations.

Packaging. Link bait. No one is going to read it.

351 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:12:38am

re: #345 Vicious Babushka

RETWEET to Force A VOTE!!!!

/

352 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:12:40am

re: #321 Bubblehead II

Same-sex marriage becomes law in England and Wales

What’s all this I hear about Englishmen marrying whales?

< /Litella >

353 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:12:59am

re: #330 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t get it, does having his face on the cover make her think they’re supporting him or something?

Here is the general feelings about that…



354 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:13:00am
355 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:13:48am

re: #345 Vicious Babushka

We still have concerns……

356 piratedan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:13:55am

re: #348 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

funny, I don’t see much in the way of outrage when the Biography channel runs two weeks of serial killer profiles or when the history channel has an entire series devoted to American Gangsters

357 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:14:02am

re: #348 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

But it’s a story about how he got into being an Islamic radical murderer. How is that ‘popularizing’ him?

I mean, I’m sympathetic to the idea that we should just not report on mass murderers, that if we did that their numbers would go down, but I don’t think it actually applies in this case, I don’t think he was motivated by fame. I might be wrong, and I think the only way to figure that out is by actually looking at the guy, his past, and his motivations.

I’m not sure anyone has an issue with the article itself. If you took the text/titles off the cover and showed it to a random 16yo girls she’d wonder when his concert tickets go on sale.

358 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:14:03am

re: #350 Gus

Packaging. Link bait. No one is going to read it.

That’s a pretty wild assumption, yo. Why are people going to click on the link if not to read it?

I’m going to read it. My brothers are going to read it. My dad’s going to read it. My friend Daniel has already read it. Those are the only people I know who read Rolling Stone, though.

359 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:14:27am
360 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:14:40am

re: #353 NJDhockeyfan

Here is the general feelings about that…

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It’s weirdly atavistic, as though putting his face on the cover gives him some sort of power.

Having bad people’s faces on a magazine cover isn’t an endorsement of them.

361 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:14:43am

re: #357 geoffm33

If you took the text/titles off the cover ad showed it to a random 16yo girls she’d wonder when his concert tickets go on sale.

I think that was the point.

362 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:15:22am
363 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:15:27am

re: #357 geoffm33

I’m not sure anyone has an issue with the article itself. If you took the text/titles off the cover ad showed it to a random 16yo girls she’d wonder when his concert tickets go on sale.

Well, I figured that was the point. He’s an immigrant, but he’s also a homegrown terrorist, he didn’t stand out before this.

364 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:16:25am

re: #354 Gus

That is a goddamn amazing photo. The human tendency for ritual sometimes seems silly but then you get images like that and it makes a sense.

365 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:16:30am

re: #362 Vicious Babushka

Stay classy, Rusty

366 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:17:27am

re: #318 dragonath

murderpedia.org

367 piratedan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:17:30am

re: #363 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

well I guess a good question would be if Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or the Unabomber ever made the cover of RS

368 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:18:40am

re: #363 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Well, I figured that was the point. He’s an immigrant, but he’s also a homegrown terrorist, he didn’t stand out before this.

I know and I get all that. There are a thousand different ways they could have approached the cover art that wouldn’t have evoked the emotional outrage it has. The content of the article, albeit an important message, is secondary and not at issue.

369 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:19:37am

re: #360 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s weirdly atavistic, as though putting his face on the cover gives him some sort of power.

Having bad people’s faces on a magazine cover isn’t an endorsement of them.

Reminds me of the time I got an Atlantic issue in the mail. Someone X’ed out the picture of Mohammed Atta. I thought it was was a design decision until I saw it at the news stand.

These pictures don’t have some kind of magical power. These guys are terrorists, not warlocks.

370 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:19:42am

DERP
Obama didn’t build that—Walmart and McD’s built that!

371 Joanne  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:20:06am

re: #358 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’ll read it, but they could have left that psychopaths “dreamy eyes” off the cover. Honestly, Boston and surrounding areas were on freaking lockdown because of him and his asshole brother. I get the story. It’s the cover that’s at issue. The people that be at RS are missing that empathy gene.

372 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:21:02am
373 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:21:33am

re: #368 geoffm33

I know and I get all that. There are a thousand different ways they could have approached the cover art that wouldn’t have evoked the emotional outrage it has. The content of the article, albeit an important message, is secondary and not at issue.

I can’t even count how often I saw Osama Bin Laden’s picture on the front of a magazine or newspaper.


Here’s a very similar picture:

Image: 1101960415_400.jpg

374 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:21:52am

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

More troubled hearts…..

375 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:21:57am

re: #371 Joanne

I’ll read it, but they could have left that psychopaths “dreamy eyes” off the cover. Honestly, Boston and surrounding areas were on freaking lockdown because of him and his asshole brother. I get the story. It’s the cover that’s at issue. The people that be at RS are missing that empathy gene.

Well, do you think I’m missing the empathy gene?

376 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:23:06am

re: #330 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t get it, does having his face on the cover make her think they’re supporting him or something?

Like everyone and everything that has to do with rah-rah jingoistic nationalism, even mentioning a verboten subject qualifies the mentioning entity for shunning.

377 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:23:23am

re: #367 piratedan

well I guess a good question would be if Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or the Unabomber ever made the cover of RS

Aesthetics.

378 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:24:04am

re: #373 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I can’t even count how often I saw Osama Bin Laden’s picture on the front of a magazine or newspaper.

Here’s a very similar picture:

Image: 1101960415_400.jpg

With all due respect, that’s not even close to the same picture. He’s wearing prison garb!

Here is a similar picture

379 Joanne  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:24:19am

re: #375 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Not at all. Why would you ask me that?

380 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:24:23am

GG is still continuing his rounds of cable news, this time it’s MSNBC…


I’m still waiting for one of these journalists to ask him a bunch of tough questions instead of the softballs he’s been getting so far.

381 EmmaAnne  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:25:27am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut thinks he has pwn3d me with alleged LBJ quote. (not embedded because of the N Word)

I can’t find a source to validate this quote, it’s only quoted by wingnuts. I don’t know what it is supposed to prove, other than LBJ used the N word.

Yeah he was a southern good old boy at one time. Take a look at this:

newyorker.com

But King himself knew what Johnson had done, and he gave the President enormous credit when they met after the legislation was signed. James Farmer, the great leader of the Congress of Racial Equality, told the story of a conversation he once had with Johnson in the White House:

I asked him how he got to be the way he was. He said, “What do you mean?” I said, “Well, here you are, calling senators, twisting their arms, threatening them, cajoling them, trying to line up votes for the Civil Rights Bill when your own record on civil rights was not a good one before you became Vice President. So what accounted for the change?” Johnson thought for a moment and wrinkled his brow and then said, “Well, I’ll answer that by quoting a good friend of yours and you will recognize the quote instantly. ‘Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty, I’m free at last.’”

382 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:25:32am

OT but this came up the other day

tv.yahoo.com

383 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:25:38am

re: #380 NJDhockeyfan

GG is still continuing his rounds of cable news, this time it’s MSNBC…

[Embedded content]


I’m still waiting for one of these journalists to ask him a bunch of tough questions instead of the softballs he’s been getting so far.

The only one who would do that is Stephen Colbert.

384 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:26:00am

re: #354 Gus

Noticed that the Arizona Diamondbacks reps in the All-Star game last night were wearing an “19” patch on their uniforms. Classy move by that team.

385 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:26:10am

re: #378 geoffm33

With all due respect, that’s not even close to the same picture. He’s wearing prison garb!

Here is a similar picture

Alright, so this is because the picture doesn’t portray him in a negative light? That’s what this whole deal is about?

To me, it communicates the point well. Unless you think monsters are just born, he had some path from where he was, the kid he was, to the monster he became. The article calls him a monster, it calls him the bomber. It says so right on the front page.

So this whole deal is the picture is flattering?

386 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:26:50am

re: #379 Joanne

Not at all. Why would you ask me that?

Because I would have run the story with a picture of him too, and if I was the editor and the art director had brought me that picture I would have okayed it.

387 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:27:12am

re: #385 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Alright, so this is because the picture doesn’t portray him in a negative light? That’s what this whole deal is about?

To me, it communicates the point well. Unless you think monsters are just born, he had some path from where he was, the kid he was, to the monster he became. The article calls him a monster, it calls him the bomber. It says so right on the front page.

So this whole deal is the picture is flattering?

Si.

388 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:27:23am

re: #385 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Alright, so this is because the picture doesn’t portray him in a negative light? That’s what this whole deal is about?

To me, it communicates the point well. Unless you think monsters are just born, he had some path from where he was, the kid he was, to the monster he became. The article calls him a monster, it calls him the bomber. It says so right on the front page.

So this whole deal is the picture is flattering?

Pretty much, and problem enough.

389 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:28:10am
“The Cover Of The Rolling Stone”

[Talking]
Ha ha ha, I don’t believe it
Da, da, ah, ah don’t touch it
Hey, Ray, hey, Sugar, tell them who we are…

Well, we’re big rock singers
We got golden fingers
And we’re loved everywhere we go…(That sounds like us)
We sing about beauty and we sing about truth
At ten thousand dollars a show…(Right)
We take all kinds of pills that give us all kind of thrills
But the thrill we’ve never known
Is the thrill that’ll getcha when you get your picture
On the cover of the Rollin’ Stone

(Rollin’ Stone…) Wanna see my picture on the cover
(Stone…) Wanna buy five copies for my mother…(Yes)
(Stone…) Wanna see my smilin’ face
On the cover of the Rollin’ Stone…(That’s a very very good idea)

I got a freaky ole lady name a cocaine Katy
Who embroiders on my jeans
I got my poor ole grey haired daddy
Drivin’ my limousine
Now it’s all decided to blow our minds
But our minds won’t really be blown
Like the blow that’ll gitcha when you get your picture
On the cover of the Rollin’ Stone

(Rollin’ Stone…) Wanna see our pictures on the cover
(Stone…) Wanna buy five copies for our mothers…(Yeah)
(Stone…) Wanna see my smilin face
On the cover of the Rollin’ Stone

[Talking]
Hey, I know how
Rock and roll…

[Instrumental]

Ah, that’s beautiful

We got a lot of little teenage blue eyed groupies
Who do anything we say
We got a genu-wine Indian Guru
Who’s teaching us a better way
We got all the friends that money can buy
So we never have to be alone
And we keep gettin’ richer but we can’t get our picture
On the cover of the Rollin’ Stone

(Rollin’ Stone…) Wanna see my picture on the cover
(Stone…) Wanna buy five copies for my mother…(Wa wa)
(Stone…) Wanna see my smilin’ face
On the cover of the Rollin’ Stone
On the cover of the Rollin’…
(Stone…) Wanna see my picture on the cover

[Talking]
I don’t know why we ain’t on the cover, baby…

(Stone…) Wanna buy five copies for my mother

[Talking]
We’re beautiful subjects…

(Stone…) Wanna see my smilin’ face

[Talking]
I ain’t kiddin’, we would make a beautiful cover…

On the cover of the Rollin’ Stone…

[Talking]
Fresh shot, right up front, man…
I can see it now, we’ll be up in the front…
Smilin’, man…
Ahh, beautiful…

Rolling Stone.
Beautiful.
Terrorists.

390 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:28:58am

re: #385 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This discussion is veering awful close to the assumption that those trying to understand what makes a terrorist makes one a terrorist sympathizer.

If more people read it because of the image, great. More people can read how we can prevent clowns like this in the future. A picture isn’t a surrender, dammit.

391 Joanne  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:29:22am

re: #385 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yes. There are little girls writing him because he’s cute. They believe someone so cute couldn’t possibly do what he was supposed to do. I think this particular photo glorifies that image. JMHO.

392 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:30:10am

re: #385 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Alright, so this is because the picture doesn’t portray him in a negative light? That’s what this whole deal is about?

To me, it communicates the point well. Unless you think monsters are just born, he had some path from where he was, the kid he was, to the monster he became. The article calls him a monster, it calls him the bomber. It says so right on the front page.

So this whole deal is the picture is flattering?

To me, yes. I won’t speak for everyone. But yes, the picture is soft and flattering. I understand that’s the point of the article and the story. But that’s my feeling.

393 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:31:27am

re: #391 Joanne

Yes. There are little girls writing him because he’s cute. They believe someone so cute couldn’t possibly do what he was supposed to do. I think this particular photo glorifies that image. JMHO.

For my money, most of the people who have ever been on the cover of Rolling Stone are sociopaths. At least HST was honest about it.

394 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:32:07am

re: #391 Joanne

Yes. There are little girls writing him because he’s cute. They believe someone so cute couldn’t possibly do what he was supposed to do. I think this particular photo glorifies that image. JMHO.

And so what? So if we don’t show his picture, then what? They’ll change their mind?

If those girls are drawn in by the picture and read the article, they’ll find it says he’s a monster and that he did do it. So wouldn’t that be a good thing?

395 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:32:14am

re: #391 Joanne

Maybe Alex Jones nuts can buy the shirt so we can identify them more readily.

396 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:32:28am

re: #385 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Alright, so this is because the picture doesn’t portray him in a negative light? That’s what this whole deal is about?

To me, it communicates the point well. Unless you think monsters are just born, he had some path from where he was, the kid he was, to the monster he became. The article calls him a monster, it calls him the bomber. It says so right on the front page.

So this whole deal is the picture is flattering?

I gotta go with Obdi here, especially considering that the text on the cover seems to indicate that the article is about how Tsarnaev went from popular, attractive guy to mass murderer. I mean, his brother was always disaffected, but Dzhokar seemed to have pretty much assimilated.

397 Joanne  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:33:14am

re: #386 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Because I would have run the story with a picture of him too, and if I was the editor and the art director had brought me that picture I would have okayed it.

That certainly wasn’t my intent. I still think it’s sensationalistic and cold hearted to use this particular photo.

I get the comparison to OBL. I don’t know when his mug was first put on mag covers. Personally, I think the pretty boy pic is too soon.

398 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:35:23am
399 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:35:52am

I think the big questions is, did they buy the rights from Twitter/Instagram to use that image ;)

400 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:36:09am

I guess if there’s no such thing as bad publicity, this cover is doing wonders for RS.

401 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:36:18am

I always go to Rolling Stone for my Criminal Psychology fix. And to Car and Driver for the art criticism.

402 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:36:29am

re: #398 NJDhockeyfan

See, what’s really weird is I’d rather have Rolling Stone, or any magazine, cover something important like how someone became a terrorist then “What Justin Beiber feels about fame”.

403 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:37:24am
Video shows white Milwaukee man shooting black teen as mother watches

rawstory.com

Cold-blooded murderer.

404 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:37:24am

re: #401 Decatur Deb

Rolling Stone had, historically, really great journalism and really great stories. Thus why my dad still reads it.

405 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:37:38am

re: #402 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

See, what’s really weird is I’d rather have Rolling Stone, or any magazine, cover something important like how someone became a terrorist then “What Justin Beiber feels about fame”.

So, I wonder what’s Teen Beat’s take on the Immigration bill?
//

406 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:37:38am

re: #367 piratedan

well I guess a good question would be if Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or the Unabomber ever made the cover of RS

Rolling Stone covers, starting from Issue #1

They’ve had Charlie Manson, Ted Nugent, and the cast of “Friends” on the cover, so they do have a history of featuring grotesque and awful people.

407 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:38:47am

re: #404 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Rolling Stone had, historically, really great journalism and really great stories. Thus why my dad still reads it.

They actually had a good one recently about marijuana and marijuana laws. In fact, when I first started reading (my Dad like yours is a long time subscriber) I read it for the current events stories. It was also through RS that I learned about Texas’s heinous record with capital punishment.

408 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:39:12am

Rolling Stone loves blowing up poeple! Dreamboat Tsarnaev under a boat! Avert your gaze or your brother’s sister’s niece’s uncle becomes a terrorist!

409 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:40:35am

re: #404 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Rolling Stone had, historically, really great journalism and really great stories. Thus why my dad still reads it.

Back in the day someone described RS as “the incomprehensible, writing for the illiterate, about the unlistenable”, OWTTE.

410 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:41:55am

Yeah, I’m sure if Tsarnaev brothers were white supremacists people would respond in kind.

411 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:42:00am

Totally off-current-topic:

Here’s a great interactive map of Sherman’s March.

history.com

412 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:42:36am

Adam Reilly ‏@reillyadam

@caulkthewagon mega bed head. The groupies will swoon.

ibtimes.com

413 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:42:50am

re: #410 Gus

Yeah, I’m sure if Tsarnaev brothers were white supremacists people would respond in kind.

I would. Do you actually think this isn’t true for some reason? If they had a white supremacist on the cover, and called him a monster on the cover, I’d have no problem with it even if he looked purty.

414 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:42:59am

Rolling Stone’s advertising rep’s cell number is being tweeted. He can just turn it off now. He wont be able to use it.

415 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:43:46am
416 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:44:34am

I guess this means we’ll have to burn all those American History X movie posters.

417 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:44:46am

Wingnuts are Derping up a storm because supposedly 53 “Union Leaders” have 6-figure incomes.

Probably all those 53 Union Leaders together don’t make as much as one Walmart CEO.

418 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:46:22am

Cough.

419 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:47:08am

re: #417 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are Derping up a storm because supposedly 53 “Union Leaders” have 6-figure incomes.

Probably all those 53 Union Leaders together don’t make as much as one Walmart CEO.

Shit that income probably isn’t even the bonus that some of these guys have given them. You do have to love how a union leader making 6 figures is a cause for a shit storm but a CEO giving himself a huge ass bonus and hiding his income overseas is patriotic.

420 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:47:26am

=re: #415 Gus

See, and I’m all conflicted about the propriety of using pictures of dead victims in order to sell magazines. I actually think the family should have the final say on whether those pictures should be publicized.

If the contention is that we just shouldn’t show pictures of mass murderers because that encourages other mass murderers, I’m sympathetic to that, but the focus really seems to be on the fact that the picture is flattering, that he looks rock-star-ish.

421 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:48:15am

re: #419 HappyWarrior

Shit that income probably isn’t even the bonus that some of these guys have given them. You do have to love how a union leader making 6 figures is a cause for a shit storm but a CEO giving himself a huge ass bonus by raiding the pension fund and hiding his income overseas is patriotic.

Added a little.

422 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:48:38am

re: #415 Gus

I don’t think they need to honor the victims, in fact it runs counter to the point of the article. I think they could have used imagery of the aftermath at the finish line to get the same point across.

423 Gus  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:50:07am

re: #420 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

=

See, and I’m all conflicted about the propriety of using pictures of dead victims in order to sell magazines. I actually think the family should have the final say on whether those pictures should be publicized.

If the contention is that we just shouldn’t show pictures of mass murderers because that encourages other mass murderers, I’m sympathetic to that, but the focus really seems to be on the fact that the picture is flattering, that he looks rock-star-ish.

They’re glamorizing a mass murderer.

424 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:50:55am
425 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:51:09am

re: #423 Gus

They’re glamorizing a mass murderer.

By calling him a monster?

Can you answer this question, please?

You implied people would react differently if he had been a white supremacist.

I asked you:

I would. Do you actually think this isn’t true for some reason? If they had a white supremacist on the cover, and called him a monster on the cover, I’d have no problem with it even if he looked purty.

426 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:51:57am

re: #424 NJDhockeyfan

See, that’s the thing. The article clearly says that he’s a monster, that he’s the bomber. It doesn’t raise any ambivalence. I could understand this reaction better if it didn’t call him a monster right on the cover.

I don’t see how saying someone is a monster can be interpreted as glamorizing them.

427 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:52:32am

Image: esquire_calley.jpg

Another mass murderer on a magazine cover. But this guy was a considered a hero in much of the country.

428 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:53:35am

re: #423 Gus

They’re glamorizing a mass murderer.

Calling someone a monster is not glamorizing them, by any sane definition of the word. They do it right there directly underneath the picture.

If I recall correctly, my first set of posts on LGF was on the subject of a guy that owned and displayed paintings that were done by Hitler — got massive downdings for saying that it’s possible to examine the man’s art without supporting his ideology. I still don’t understand this weird, warlock-like power people ascribe to mere mentions of terrible people in history.

429 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:54:01am

re: #426 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

See, that’s the thing. The article clearly says that he’s a monster, that he’s the bomber. It doesn’t raise any ambivalence. I could understand this reaction better if it didn’t call him a monster right on the cover.

I don’t see how saying someone is a monster can be interpreted as glamorizing them.

Shouldn’t that be ‘alleged bomber’, ‘alleged monster’—he hasn’t been convicted of anything.

430 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:55:44am

re: #428 GunstarGreen

Calling someone a monster is not glamorizing them, by any sane definition of the word. They do it right there directly underneath the picture.

If I recall correctly, my first set of posts on LGF was on the subject of a guy that owned and displayed paintings that were done by Hitler — got massive downdings for saying that it’s possible to examine the man’s art without supporting his ideology. I still don’t understand this weird, warlock-like power people ascribe to mere mentions of terrible people in history.

In the language of RS, “monster” isn’t condemnation. “We’re #1 with a bullet, got a monster hit.” That’s why I hate RS.

431 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:56:22am

I think it’s slightly disingenuous to claim he’s called a “monster” on the front cover. It’s the 18th word (last in the sentence) of the subheadline. It’ clear as day they are calling him the Bomber, however.

432 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:56:30am

re: #430 Decatur Deb

In the language of RS, “monster” isn’t condemnation. “We’re #1 with a bullet, got a monster hit.” That’s why I hate RS.

I think in this context it’s a pretty clear condemnation.

433 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:57:58am

re: #431 geoffm33

I think it’s slightly disingenuous to claim he’s called a “monster” on the front cover. It’s the 18th word (last in the sentence) of the subheadline. It’ clear as day they are calling him the Bomber, however.

It’s not at all disingenuous to say that he’s called the monster on the front cover. He is.

okay, I’m out. I’m getting way too many accusations of being disingenuous, duplicitous, or whatever.

If Tsarnev had been ugly and they’d showed his face, nobody would have given a shit. World is goddamn weird.

434 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:59:14am

re: #417 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are Derping up a storm because supposedly 53 “Union Leaders” have 6-figure incomes.

Probably all those 53 Union Leaders together don’t make as much as one Walmart CEO.

Of course. Union people are leeches. That’s why UAW members just sit on their asses all day while magic car fairies produce the cars that hundreds of millions of Americans drive. None should make more than the minimum wage.

Hedge Fund Managers on the other hand? Galtian Geniuses who create value for investors and millions of jobs. They deserve their 9-figure incomes.

435 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 8:59:59am

re: #429 Decatur Deb

I hope his case is solid with evidence and just doesn’t turn out like the Z trial did. Hasn’t he made statements admitting it anyway?

bostonglobe.com

Of course, his lawyers will try to get that statement, at least, thrown out.

Tsarnaev has pled not guilty.

436 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:00:45am

re: #433 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s not at all disingenuous to say that he’s called the monster on the front cover. He is.

okay, I’m out. I’m getting way too many accusations of being disingenuous, duplicitous, or whatever.

If Tsarnev had been ugly and they’d showed his face, nobody would have given a shit. World is goddamn weird.

I apologize, not trying to accuse you of anything. I probably was being a little nitpicky about the monster bit. Trust me, I see your point and I probably would have the same opinion if I weren’t caught up in the lockdown portion of it.

437 makeitstop  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:01:23am

re: #367 piratedan

well I guess a good question would be if Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or the Unabomber ever made the cover of RS

Charlie Manson did.

438 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:02:03am

re: #430 Decatur Deb

In the language of RS, “monster” isn’t condemnation. “We’re #1 with a bullet, got a monster hit.” That’s why I hate RS.

I have a lot of respect for you, DD. I agree with you most of the time. But I cannot believe that you honestly think that “a monster hit” (presumably in reference to a song) and “how this man became a monster” are using the same definition of the word.

re: #431 geoffm33

I think it’s slightly disingenuous to claim he’s called a “monster” on the front cover. It’s the 18th word (last in the sentence) of the subheadline. It’ clear as day they are calling him the Bomber, however.

Just… what? “How this man became a monster.” That’s pretty damn clear. How much clearer would you like it to be? How could they have removed any more ambiguity from it? Surely you’re not basing your claim of that being ‘disingenuous’ purely based on word count?

439 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:02:47am

re: #434 Ian G.

Of course. Union people are leeches. That’s why UAW members just sit on their asses all day while magic car fairies produce the cars that hundreds of millions of Americans drive. None should make more than the minimum wage.

Hedge Fund Managers on the other hand? Galtian Geniuses who create value for investors and millions of jobs. They deserve their 9-figure incomes.

If Ford and GM were run like Walmart, cars would be made in Bangladesh and sold in “Big Box” dealerships where car sales staff earn less than minimum wage. But hey, a new car would cost $5,000!

440 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:03:06am

re: #438 GunstarGreen

See my #436

441 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:04:53am

Glenn Greenwald retweeted:

442 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:05:25am

re: #438 GunstarGreen

I have a lot of respect for you, DD. I agree with you most of the time. But I cannot believe that you honestly think that “a monster hit” (presumably in reference to a song) and “how this man became a monster” are using the same definition of the word.

Just… what? “How this man became a monster.” That’s pretty damn clear. How much clearer would you like it to be? How could they have removed any more ambiguity from it? Surely you’re not basing your claim of that being ‘disingenuous’ purely based on word count?

Just in a contrary mood—and I really despise RS pretentious rise from R&R fan mag to cultural arbiter.

443 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:05:35am

re: #426 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

See, that’s the thing. The article clearly says that he’s a monster, that he’s the bomber. It doesn’t raise any ambivalence. I could understand this reaction better if it didn’t call him a monster right on the cover.

I don’t see how saying someone is a monster can be interpreted as glamorizing them.

It’s the picture on the cover. If they had showed his mug shot instead I don’t think there would be any outrage. The picture they are using has a Jim Morrison look about it.

444 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:05:44am

re: #439 Vicious Babushka

If Ford and GM were run like Walmart, cars would be made in Bangladesh and sold in “Big Box” dealerships where car sales staff earn less than minimum wage. But hey, a new car would cost $5,000!

And they’d fall apart after 20,000 miles. And we’d occasionally be pulling the corpses of Bangladeshi children from the rubble of collapsed auto factories.

But it would be all good because FREEDOM.

445 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:07:18am

re: #436 geoffm33

That’s understandable too, but it reminds me of how Time and Newsweek used less threatening covers in the US vs. the International editions.

446 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:07:44am
447 Bear  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:09:20am

re: #439 Vicious Babushka

My first new car cost $1,700 and lasted nearly 100,000 miles until I was hit and the car totaled.

448 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:09:24am

re: #442 Decatur Deb

But I only read it for the album reviews…

449 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:10:09am

re: #447 Bear

My first new car cost $1,700 and lasted nearly 100,000 miles until I was hit and the car totaled.

But you bought it in 1956! Real Detroit Iron!

450 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:10:39am

re: #441 Vicious Babushka

Glenn Greenwald retweeted:

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451 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:11:09am

re: #439 Vicious Babushka

If Ford and GM were run like Walmart, cars would be made in Bangladesh and sold in “Big Box” dealerships where car sales staff earn less than minimum wage. But hey, a new car would cost $5,000!

And you would throw it away and buy a new one the first time it breaks.

452 Bear  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:12:01am

re: #449 Vicious Babushka

No 1950

453 bratwurst  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:12:19am

You do realize that Rolling Stone chose this cover SPECIFICALLY to elicit this response? That like most magazines, they are DESPERATE for attention? Anyone who is really outraged would really be better off ignoring it and denying them all of this publicity.

454 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:13:18am

re: #446 Vicious Babushka

Why is it that every single god damned thing the Right thinks will ‘create’ more jobs is ALWAYS about reducing pay for workers, or increasing hours for workers, or cutting benefits for workers, or gutting protections for workers, or making workers pay more taxes?

It’s not like there was always full employment BEFORE the minimum wage, the 40 hr work week, OSHA, and all that.

Hell, just think how many jobs we’d have if we got rid of the 13th Amendment!

455 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:14:06am

re: #454 GeneJockey

Why is it that every single god damned thing the Right thinks will ‘create’ more jobs is ALWAYS about reducing pay for workers, or increasing hours for workers, or cutting benefits for workers, or gutting protections for workers, or making workers pay more taxes?

It’s not like there was always full employment BEFORE the minimum wage, the 40 hr work week, OSHA, and all that.

Hell, just think how many jobs we’d have if we got rid of the 13th Amendment!

GOP does not give a flying fuck about jobs.

456 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:14:31am

re: #453 bratwurst

You do realize that Rolling Stone chose this cover SPECIFICALLY to elicit this response? That like most magazines, they are DESPERATE for attention? Anyone who is really outraged would really be better off ignoring it and denying them all of this publicity.

I’m shocked - SHOCKED! - to find gambling marketing going on here!
//

457 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:17:05am

re: #456 GeneJockey

I tried to leave Rupert Murdoch’s picture under a dripping faucet but all the magicks only made his face more wrinkly.

458 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:18:22am

#FairnessForAll does not mean what @GOPLeader thinks it means. He keeps going on about delaying/repealing/overturning Obamacare, even though many Americans can’t get affordable health insurance.

He thinks 38 attempts at repeal isn’t enough, and has now latched on to delaying (permanently) the individual mandate, after the Administration moved for a 1-year delay on the employer mandate (which requires companies with 50 or more employees to provide insurance plans to their employees.

459 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:19:03am

When I was packing some old boxes last week I found this Rolling Stones cover of the Blues Brothers.

460 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:19:20am

re: #427 dragonath

Image: esquire_calley.jpg

Another mass murderer on a magazine cover. But this guy was a considered a hero in much of the country.

He’s still happily puttering around his FIL’s jewelry store near Ft. Benning. The judge who let him out recently sentenced an 89-yr old nun to prison for protesting the reincarnation of School of the Americas. She reused parole.

461 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:20:27am
462 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:20:46am

re: #460 Decatur Deb

That judge sounds like a piece of work.

463 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:20:59am

re: #461 NJDhockeyfan

Truth.

464 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:21:42am

Pamela is shrieking for a boycott of Rolling Stone. As if she or any of her euro-fascist BFF’s even read it to begin with.

465 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:21:46am

Christian Concern cancels rally, conceding that God does not have the power to halt equal marriage bill

This is what ya get when you presume to speak for the deity.

466 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:22:52am

I’m really surprised that no parody Juror B37 Twitter account has surfaced on my TL yet. /

467 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:23:02am

re: #464 Vicious Babushka

It’s funny. I never heard anyone trying to suppress American Rifleman in the wake of the Newtown shooting even though the sole purpose of that magazine is to glamorize guns.

468 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:23:31am

IMPEECH!!11!!!!

469 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:23:50am

re: #462 dragonath

That judge sounds like a piece of work.

Died 2006. The SoA protest was longer than I remember.
en.wikipedia.org

470 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:25:04am

re: #468 Vicious Babushka

Skewed!!

471 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:25:47am

re: #409 Decatur Deb

Back in the day someone described RS as “the incomprehensible, writing for the illiterate, about the unlistenable”, OWTTE.

“Writers who can’t write interviewing people who can’t talk for readers who can’t read.” - Frank Zappa

472 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:26:25am

re: #469 Decatur Deb

In his first year on the bench, Elliott issued an order halting a civil rights demonstration led by the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. in Albany, Georgia.

He later said that the decision — subsequently overturned on appeal — was made due to a threat of violence against Rev. King and his supporters. But King biographer Taylor Branch wrote that Judge Elliott was a “strident segregationist.”

Ugh.

473 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:26:51am

re: #471 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

“Writers who can’t write interviewing people who can’t talk for readers who can’t read.” - Frank Zappa

NEEDS MOAR COMMAS!!

474 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:28:52am

re: #471 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

“Writers who can’t write interviewing people who can’t talk for readers who can’t read.” - Frank Zappa

Must have been a bad review…

475 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:29:20am

re: #471 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

“Writers who can’t write interviewing people who can’t talk for readers who can’t read.” - Frank Zappa

Yes—Thanks.

476 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:30:24am

I don’t usually read many magazines from that era, but Playboy had the better interviews back then, IMO.

477 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:30:33am

re: #465 dragonath

We’re obviously disappointed but take comfort from Jesus’ words: “I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world” (John 16:33).

So, “tribulation” means having to endure some people being happy. OK. I think I’m done with this week.

478 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:31:40am

re: #476 dragonath

I don’t usually read many magazines from that era, but Playboy had the better interviews back then, IMO.

Only bought it for the Gahan Wilson cartoons.

479 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:32:12am

Honestly, I can see why the cover bothers people but OTOH, they are still calling him a monster. I think people in general get bothered when someone like Tsaranaev is shown to be normal looking.

480 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:32:26am

National Lampoon had good stuff in it too. I keep an eye out for those.

481 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:32:49am

*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*
BRYAN, YOUNG UNEMPLOYED BLACKS THINK U SUCK.

482 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:33:20am

UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS THINK U SUCK

483 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:33:47am

re: #481 Vicious Babushka

*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*
*HEAD DESK*
BRYAN, YOUNG UNEMPLOYED BLACKS THINK U SUCK.

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Well I guess that means Reagan wasn’t by that logic.

484 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:34:23am

re: #480 dragonath

National Lampoon had good stuff in it too. I keep an eye out for those.

I mentioned it before—found a Braille copy of Playboy in an old bookstore. It was published as an ADA accommodation by the Government Printing Office.

485 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:34:30am

Here is all the compassion that Bryan Fischer has for anybody:
Did you see it?
It’s smaller than the smallest subatomic particle ever identified.

486 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:35:11am

re: #481 Vicious Babushka

I’d somehow missed all of Bryan’s previous tweets expressing his compassion for out work blacks. //

I have too much compassion for out of work blacks to support expanded access to health insurance.

I have too much compassion for out of work blacks to support continued funding of the food stamp program.

487 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:36:27am

Can I go ahead and predict Zimmerman will be on next month’s RS cover?

488 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:36:34am

re: #482 Vicious Babushka

I thought the 23 million Americans out of work were “takers” and bums who want free stuff, trying to live off the “makers” who “pay taxes”?

489 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:36:40am

re: #460 Decatur Deb

He’s still happily puttering around his FIL’s jewelry store near Ft. Benning. The judge who let him out recently sentenced an 89-yr old nun to prison for protesting the reincarnation of School of the Americas. She reused parole.

When I was working with the history magazines on and off the past two years, I read about the helicopter pilot, Hugh Thompson who put a stop to My Lai, poor guy got all kinds of threats and he was the good guy. Calley got treated like a hero in many quarters.

490 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:37:22am

re: #464 Vicious Babushka

Pamela is shrieking for a boycott of Rolling Stone. As if she or any of her euro-fascist BFF’s even read it to begin with.

Cue a bunch of wingnuts swearing to ignore everything Mick Jagger says from here on out.

491 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:37:27am

re: #488 Bulworth

I thought the 23 million Americans out of work were “takers” and bums who want free stuff, trying to live off the “makers” who “pay taxes”?

Bryan only has “too much compassion” to support amnesty, but not enough compassion to support a living wage.

492 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:37:42am

Tedeschi Food Shops, CVS Won’t Be Selling the Latest Issue of Rolling Stone

The company says it can’t support putting the alleged bomber’s face front and center in its convenience stores.

493 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:37:57am

I have too much compassion for out of work blacks to support same day registration, early voting, and weekend voting.

494 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:38:15am

Speaking of marketing screw ups.


Nike forced to pull T-shirt due to glaring error

BEAVERTON, Ore. — Nike had to take some quick action and pull a T-shirt off production because of a geographical error.

495 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:38:15am

re: #488 Bulworth

I thought the 23 million Americans out of work were “takers” and bums who want free stuff, trying to live off the “makers” who “pay taxes”?

He’s concern trolling. He doesn’t give two shits about the unemployed. Fischer’s behavior wise and I apologize to any lizard who has one but it really reminds me of a teenager playing passive aggressive games with the kid they’re tormenting.

496 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:38:38am

You know who really get short shrift in this country? Underemployed people. We aren’t included in the official jobless numbers at all, we’re considered success stories because we happen to make $8/hr for 40 hrs a week.

497 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:38:39am

re: #490 Eclectic Cyborg

Cue a bunch of wingnuts swearing to ignore everything Mick Jagger says from here on out.

Boycott the UK!

498 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:39:12am

re: #491 Vicious Babushka

I have too much compassion for out of work blacks to support a minimum wage.

I have too much compassion for out of work blacks to support an eight-hour workday.

499 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:39:15am

re: #489 HappyWarrior

When I was working with the history magazines on and off the past two years, I read about the helicopter pilot, Hugh Thompson who put a stop to My Lai, poor guy got all kinds of threats and he was the good guy. Calley got treated like a hero in many quarters.

I was still working at Ft Rucker a few years back when he and his crew were very belatedly honored. (A plaque and ceremony, IIRC.) The arc does bend.

500 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:40:46am

re: #499 Decatur Deb

I was still working at Ft Rucker a few years back when he and his crew were very belatedly honored. (A plaque and ceremony, IIRC.) The arc does bend.

I am glad they were honored.

501 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:41:05am

I have too much compassion for out of work blacks to support unemployment insurance.

502 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:43:00am

re: #500 HappyWarrior

I am glad they were honored.

Soldier’s Medal—not shabby.

en.wikipedia.org

503 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:45:05am

re: #479 HappyWarrior

Maybe they could put a Snidely Whiplash mustache on him.

Honest to god, I wish I had so much free time that I could spend all my day finding stupid shit to bitch about.

And with that, I have to go tackle Mt Laundry.

504 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:45:25am

re: #502 Decatur Deb

Soldier’s Medal—not shabby.

en.wikipedia.org

Not at all, pretty cool that he went back to the village and met with some of the villagers.

505 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:45:33am

Oh, in case anyone’s wondering what’ll happen to gay marriage in Northern Ireland, here’s what:

A joint same-sex marriage proposal by Sinn Fein and the Green Party was defeated in October along nationalist and unionist lines.

The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) again blocked progress on equal marriage through another “petition of concern” in April.

Nice to see the nominally Catholic Sinn Fein showing support. And it’s amusing to see the “Unionists” bucking the trend from Westminster.

506 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:46:38am
507 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:48:33am

re: #485 Vicious Babushka

Smaller than a Higgs Boson. It’s the Fischer moron.

508 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:48:52am

re: #505 dragonath

Oh, in case anyone’s wondering what’ll happen to gay marriage in Northern Ireland, here’s what:

Nice to see the nominally Catholic Sinn Fein showing support. And it’s amusing to see the “Unionists” bucking the trend from Westminster.

Sinn Fein may be nominally Catholic but that’s only because republicans are usually Catholic. Sinn Fein is actually a left wing party ideologically and not religious. But Ian Paisley, perhaps DUP’s most famous member has said things that would remind us as Americans of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and others. He even in the 1960’s got a honorary degree from Bob Jones University.

509 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:51:24am

re: #508 HappyWarrior

He even in the 1960’s got a honorary degree from Bob Jones University.

Didn’t know that.

510 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:52:32am

Here’s something that flew underneath the radar:

Kathleen Kane (D), Pennsylvania Attorney General, Will Not Defend State’s Gay Marriage Ban

See, good things came out of the last election.

511 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:52:49am

DERP
If that’s the case then why wasn’t he convicted?
Wingnuts can’t even get their own conspiracies straight.

512 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:57:00am

re: #509 dragonath

Didn’t know that.

Yeah, I am not 100% sure about it but I think I remember reading about that in an old book about Ireland that my grandmother owned. Paisley is more less a Baptist. He’s not Anglican or Presbyterian.

513 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:57:04am

re: #511 Vicious Babushka

I see. So if anyone shoots and kills a ni****CLANG in “self-defense” and has to face charges, then that’s a “Stalinist Show Trial”? /

514 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:57:35am

re: #511 Vicious Babushka

Because shut up. ///

515 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:57:44am

re: #511 Vicious Babushka

DERP
If that’s the case then why wasn’t he convicted?
Wingnuts can’t even get their own conspiracies straight.

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It’s a Stalinst show trial to put someone on trial who shot an unarmed kid? Uh I think Andrea doesn’t know what a Stalinst Show Trial is from her ass.

516 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:58:02am

re: #514 Bulworth

Because shut up. ///

Because Stalinist Nazi Islamic tyranny, that’s why!

517 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:58:20am

re: #515 HappyWarrior

It’s a Stalinst show trial to put someone on trial who shot an unarmed kid? Uh I think Andrea doesn’t know what a Stalinst Show Trial is from her ass.

Andrea is only the Second Stupidest Twerp on Teh Twitters.

518 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:58:49am

re: #517 Vicious Babushka

Andrea is only the Second Stupidest Twerp on Teh Twitters.

HA!

519 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:59:15am

re: #517 Vicious Babushka

The competition sure is stiff.

520 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:59:46am

re: #345 Vicious Babushka

What’s that old saying about doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results?

521 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:01:57am

re: #520 Romantic Heretic

Under the definition of insanity, there’s a picture of Boehner and Cantor and the rest of the GOP.

After all, they’re up to the 38th attempt to repeal Obamacare While Obama is still in office no less. And Democrats control the Senate.

In other words, no chance it would ever pass beyond the House.

522 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:02:34am

re: #521 lawhawk

Under the definition of insanity, there’s a picture of Boehner and Cantor and the rest of the GOP.

After all, they’re up to the 38th attempt to repeal Obamacare While Obama is still in office no less. And Democrats control the Senate.

In other words, no chance it would ever pass beyond the House.

Performance Art.

523 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:04:52am

U.S. Drone Kills Top al-Qaeda Leader in Yemen, Group Says

Saeed al-Shihri, co-founder of Yemen-based al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, was killed by a U.S. drone strike, Ibrahim al-Rubeish, a member of the group, said in a YouTube video posted yesterday.

Al-Shihri, a former Guantanamo detainee, was one of the most wanted men in Saudi Arabia. The Yemeni government reported his death in January, saying he succumbed to wounds he sustained in Yemen two months earlier and had been buried in an undisclosed location in Yemen by al-Qaeda-linked militants.

Al-Shihri helped merge the Saudi and Yemeni branches of the group into al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula following a crackdown in Saudi Arabia that led to the death or imprisonment of many of its leaders.

524 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:06:16am

re: #522 Decatur Deb

It’s a contest to see which R Housemember has the most votes to repeal on their resume come primary time.

525 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:07:55am

re: #521 lawhawk

Under the definition of insanity, there’s a picture of Boehner and Cantor and the rest of the GOP.

After all, they’re up to the 38th attempt to repeal Obamacare While Obama is still in office no less. And Democrats control the Senate.

In other words, no chance it would ever pass beyond the House.

Who would have thought you could watch a bunch of middle aged white guys masturbating on CSPAN?

526 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:09:51am

re: #461 NJDhockeyfan

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Ummmmm….

Nirvana, Pavement, Pearl Jam, Sonic Youth (OK, their best records were from the 80s, but they had some good stuff in the 1990s too), My Bloody Valentine, Soundgarden, Radiohead, Neutral Milk Hotel, Built to Spill, The White Stripes, My Morning Jacket, The Drive-By Truckers, The Decemberists, Deerhunter, The Black Keys, The Arcade Fire, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

And some stalwarts named Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen released some pretty good stuff post-1989.

My ASS all the best music was made before the 1990s.

527 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:10:59am

re: #384 Ian G.

When I hear ‘19’ I think of this.

Youtube Video

528 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:12:05am

re: #526 Ian G.

Ummmmm….

Nirvana, Pavement, Pearl Jam, Sonic Youth (OK, their best records were from the 80s, but they had some good stuff in the 1990s too), My Bloody Valentine, Soundgarden, Radiohead, Neutral Milk Hotel, Built to Spill, The White Stripes, My Morning Jacket, The Drive-By Truckers, The Decemberists, Deerhunter, The Black Keys, The Arcade Fire, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

And some stalwarts named Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen released some pretty good stuff post-1989.

My ASS all the best music was made before the 1990s.

Thank you. Also, add Pearl Jam and Guns N Roses to that list. Before Axl went off the rails, GnR released some great stuff in the early 1990s.

529 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:13:00am

re: #528 Eclectic Cyborg

Thank you. Also, add Pearl Jam and Guns N Roses to that list. Before Axl went off the rails, GnR released some great stuff in the early 1990s.

I don’t listen to any music that was composed after the ‘70’s.

The 1870’s.

530 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:13:59am

re: #526 Ian G.

Interesting list. I’ve counted up all the post-80’s albums I have from those artists.

Count: 1 (Springsteen’s Pete Seeger homage.)

531 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:14:03am

re: #526 Ian G.

Ummmmm….

Nirvana, Pavement, Pearl Jam, Sonic Youth (OK, their best records were from the 80s, but they had some good stuff in the 1990s too), My Bloody Valentine, Soundgarden, Radiohead, Neutral Milk Hotel, Built to Spill, The White Stripes, My Morning Jacket, The Drive-By Truckers, The Decemberists, Deerhunter, The Black Keys, The Arcade Fire, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

And some stalwarts named Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen released some pretty good stuff post-1989.

My ASS all the best music was made before the 1990s.

Plus one. Some great bands you’ve listed here.

532 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:14:52am

re: #523 NJDhockeyfan

U.S. Drone Kills Top al-Qaeda Leader in Yemen, Group Says

Who released him to begin with? Why is there not a huge, Benghazi like, stink about that?

533 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:18:18am

re: #532 Eventual Carrion

Who released him to begin with? Why is there not a huge, Benghazi like, stink about that?

OBAMA GOT HIM RELEASED IN 2007 USING THE SAME TIME MACHINE HE USED TO CAUSE THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS!!!11!!

534 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:23:11am
535 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:23:16am

re: #533 GeneJockey

OBAMA GOT HIM RELEASED IN 2007 USING THE SAME TIME MACHINE HE USED TO CAUSE THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS!!!11!!

I know, the shit that guy did before becoming president just to try and make Bush the Lesser look bad. Thank dog there are people that know the real story about that shape-shifting, Time-traveling, Moa-Stalin-Hitler-Pol Pot clone we have as pres now.

536 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:26:17am

re: #298 Bulworth

LBJ was as troubled a character as has ever been in the WH, along with Tricky Dick. Undoubtedly got fraudently elected to the U.S. in his first go-around.

He also worked his ass off as a congressional assistant to get much of his west Texas district supplied with electricity during the Great Depression. He’s quite a story overall, as told by Robert Caro in his excellent biographical volumes.

In the 1960s, a neighbor who had moved from LBJ’s home district in Texas, always referred to LBJ as “Landslide Johnson.”

But being a plainspoken Texan, the neighbor opined that LJ “got shit done.”

537 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:28:32am
538 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:32:31am

GOP Lawmaker In Utah Wants To End Compulsory Education In The State

A Republican lawmaker in Utah outlined a proposal last week to abolish compulsory education in the state.

State Sen. Aaron Osmond (R) argued that certain “parents act as if the responsibility to educate, and even care for their child, is primarily the responsibility of the public school system.”

“As a result, our teachers and schools have been forced to become surrogate parents, expected to do everything from behavioral counseling, to providing adequate nutrition, to teaching sex education, as well as ensuring full college and career readiness,” he wrote in a post on the state senate’s blog.

Osmond told the Deseret News that he wants the public to view education as an opportunity rather than a requirement.

“Let’s let them choose it, let’s not force them to do it,” Osmond said.

Seriously? Get the fuck out of my country, you fucking asshole.

539 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:34:18am

Another day another ACLU study that our surveillance issues are still growing as fast as scanners and hard drives. Talk about “big data”, whew!

And I finally got that quote function thing to work right. I’m so HTML inept.

540 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:38:33am

re: #538 Kragar

GOP Lawmaker In Utah Wants To End Compulsory Education In The State

Seriously? Get the fuck out of my country, you fucking asshole.

Wasn’t sure we could think up a way to one-up Newt’s suggestion of putting kids to work, but there it is.

541 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:39:47am

Breaking: Ted Nugent says something really dumb about race.

543 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:41:33am

re: #541 Bulworth

Breaking: Ted Nugent says something really dumb about race.

Thanks for the breaking news lead in.

544 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:42:01am

Asiana decides not to sue over fake pilot names

545 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:42:04am

re: #541 Bulworth

Breaking: Ted Nugent says something really dumb about race.

To use a phrase often directed a left wing celebrities who opine on politics and current events, shut up and play.

546 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:42:14am

re: #543 Kragar

We couldn’t have set that up better if we tried.

547 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:43:15am

re: #542 Kragar

Nugent says racism was gone by the late 60s, blames black people for ongoing problems

Sheesh that was even stupider than I thought it would be.

548 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:43:30am

re: #545 HappyWarrior

To use a phrase often directed a left wing celebrities who opine on politics and current events, shut up and play.

FTFY.

549 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:43:51am

re: #544 Eclectic Cyborg

Asiana decides not to sue over fake pilot names

They’d probably have a hard time winning but man what a bunch of shits at that local Fox affiliate.

550 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:45:21am

re: #538 Kragar

GOP Lawmaker In Utah Wants To End Compulsory Education In The State

Seriously? Get the fuck out of my country, you fucking asshole.

A whole lot of Conservative talk about parenting and such seems to revolve around treating their children as property, rather than as individuals with rights that parents are responsible for protecting. Things like education, where they fear that exposing their children to ideas other than their own might allow their children to develop opinions different from theirs. It’s like they think that they (parents) have the right to have their children think exactly like them.

551 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:45:41am

re: #544 Eclectic Cyborg

Interesting tidbit from that story:

A female passenger and her 8-year-old son filed a lawsuit against Asiana earlier this week over the crash. It’s believed that they are the first plaintiffs to have taken legal action in response to the crash. Both mother and son were treated at the hospital following the crash. No bones were broken, but the two say they are still suffering from back and neck pain.

Am I wrong in openly wondering how legit these injuries actually are? I mean, I know people actually got hurt but still…

552 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:46:22am

re: #538 Kragar

How can two parents working full time jobs or one parent working two jobs to make ends meet find time to educate their kids?

553 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:46:42am

re: #550 GeneJockey

A whole lot of Conservative talk about parenting and such seems to revolve around treating their children as property, rather than as individuals with rights that parents are responsible for protecting. Things like education, where they fear that exposing their children to ideas other than their own might allow their children to develop opinions different from theirs. It’s like they think that they (parents) have the right to have their children think exactly like them.

You see this with their views on education too. School’s teaching it a different way than I would? Brainwashing!

554 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:47:39am

re: #552 Eclectic Cyborg

How can two parents working full time jobs or one parent working two jobs to make ends meet find time to educate their kids?

They got a TV and the Bible, what more do they need?
///

555 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:48:25am

re: #553 HappyWarrior

You see this with their views on education too. School’s teaching it a different way than I would? Brainwashing!

Well think about it this way: You’re a Christian family. At home you teach your kids about God and creation and then little Johnny goes to school and learns about evolution. How are the beliefs at home reconciled with the teachings at school?

This is the problem certain parents have and why they don’t like public education.

556 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:49:52am

re: #550 GeneJockey

A whole lot of Conservative talk about parenting and such seems to revolve around treating their children as property, rather than as individuals with rights that parents are responsible for protecting. Things like education, where they fear that exposing their children to ideas other than their own might allow their children to develop opinions different from theirs. It’s like they think that they (parents) have the right to have their children think exactly like them.

Search/replace children with wives and this statement remains true.

557 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:50:03am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut thinks he has pwn3d me with alleged LBJ quote. (not embedded because of the N Word)

I can’t find a source to validate this quote, it’s only quoted by wingnuts. I don’t know what it is supposed to prove, other than LBJ used the N word.

As you well know, LBJ was well known for his common use of the N word.

One of Lenny Bruce’s better known routines is LBJ attempting to, and being unable to correctly pronounce “Negro.”

But as my neighbor use to say, “he got shit done.”

558 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:51:24am

re: #555 Eclectic Cyborg

Well think about it this way: You’re a Christian family. At home you teach your kids about God and creation and then little Johnny goes to school and learns about evolution. How are the beliefs at home reconciled with the teachings at school?

This is the problem certain parents have and why they don’t like public education.

Honestly, if they have a problem with the schools teaching evolution, they should enroll their child in a private school. But I’m talking about other subjects e.g history and literature here as well. Many of these types get real pissy about the fact that things like African American and women’s history are emphasized or in literature certain groups are. Hell though, I had to read Wright’s Black Boy in 10th grade. Only had to read the first half. Ended up reading the whole thing and later did a paper on Richard Wright when I was in college.

559 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:51:29am

re: #555 Eclectic Cyborg

Well think about it this way: You’re a Christian family. At home you teach your kids about God and creation and then little Johnny goes to school and learns about evolution. How are the beliefs at home reconciled with the teachings at school?

This is the problem certain parents have and why they don’t like public education.

My neighbors were dropping $2k a month on private schools for their kids because they were afraid the free elementary school might expose them to the idea of evolution or that gay people exist.

They just went bankrupt and are being forced to move out.

560 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:52:02am

re: #537 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

In other news: Chicago bikers arrested for chaining up to Calder’s Flamingo.

Image: flamingo.jpg

561 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:52:26am

re: #557 BeenHereAwhile

As you well know, LBJ was well known for his common use of the N word.

One of Lenny Bruce’s better known routines is LBJ attempting to, and being unable to correctly pronounce “Negro.”

But as my neighbor use to say, “he got shit done.”

What’s the difference between Republican Barry Goldwater and Democrat Lyndon Johnson?

Johnson: Used the N Word but promoted and signed the CRA.
Goldwater: Didn’t use the N Word but voted against the CRA.

Now we should just make it into a graphic and spam it all over Teh Twitters.

562 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:52:40am

re: #547 HappyWarrior

Sheesh that was even stupider than I thought it would be.

Just when you think he’d hit rock bottom, he claws his way down another level.

I used to shoot a bow, and hung out on an archery/bowhunting forum. Nugent was originally a controversial figure there, based on his draft dodging and the incredibly creepy way he got an underage girl’s parents to sign guardianship over to him so he could fuck her, as well as his generally obnoxious demeanor. A fair number felt he damaged their cause (defending hunting rights) more than he helped.

But once Obama was elected and the folks on the forum went fullblown batshit crazy, Nugents detractors got shouted down.

But of course, race has nothing to do with it.
//

563 kirkspencer  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:53:02am

re: #552 Eclectic Cyborg

How can two parents working full time jobs or one parent working two jobs to make ends meet find time to educate their kids?

well they can voluntarily send their children to school

In a lot of ways I look at education the same way I do vaccination. It’s herd, or community, protection. Everyone has to do it or you wind up with massive losses that bite into the supposedly protected groups. Because it’s a community protection (national welfare) issue it’s something that deserves national investment.

Gah, big words. Must be able to read to participate in democracy. Must be fed and have time to learn. Shitheads who force two parents to work two jobs each AND who defund schools are enemies of democracy.

564 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:54:44am

re: #559 Kragar

My neighbors were dropping $2k a month on private schools for their kids because they were afraid the free elementary school might expose them to the idea of evolution or that gay people exist.

They just went bankrupt and are being forced to move out.

Am I a bad person for not feeling sorry for them?

565 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:54:48am

re: #559 Kragar

My neighbors were dropping $2k a month on private schools for their kids because they were afraid the free elementary school might expose them to the idea of evolution or that gay people exist.

They just went bankrupt and are being forced to move out.

I have a hard time feeling bad for those parents. Honestly, I think you’re doing your kids a disservice by telling them that biblical creation is fact and evolution is a lie. I remember the parents of the kids I knew who were in private school and they were always upset about their finances. Well, maybe if they weren’t so paranoid about public schooling, they’d be in better shape. Some parents just need to accept the fact that their kids are going to receive information that is different than what their kids are hearing at home. It’s ironic given the fact that many of the original Christian fundamentalist types i.e. Puritians were rebelling against the orthodoxy of the Church of England.

566 Joanne  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:55:10am

re: #551 Eclectic Cyborg

Interesting tidbit from that story:

Am I wrong in openly wondering how legit these injuries actually are? I mean, I know people actually got hurt but still…

I used to have to be on flights weekly. Had I been on that flight, injured or not, I’d be suing them. That would have ruined my ability to earn a living. The fear will likely be with these people for life. PTSD is a bitch.

567 allegro  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:55:47am

re: #551 Eclectic Cyborg

Interesting tidbit from that story:

Am I wrong in openly wondering how legit these injuries actually are? I mean, I know people actually got hurt but still…

I think they would deserve it if only due to losing about 10 years of their lives from fucking TERROR.

/hyperbole but still… yikes, can you imagine what it must have been like to be a passenger in that plane?

568 Kragar  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:56:43am

re: #564 GeneJockey

Am I a bad person for not feeling sorry for them?

I knew they were having money problems, then I learned the full story. Now I just feel sorry for the kids for having shitheads for parents.

569 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:57:18am

re: #551 Eclectic Cyborg

Interesting tidbit from that story:

Am I wrong in openly wondering how legit these injuries actually are? I mean, I know people actually got hurt but still…

Soft tissue injuries can have severe consequences, and an impact that broke bones and killed people could inflict pretty severe injuries without breaking bones.

570 kirkspencer  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:57:53am

re: #551 Eclectic Cyborg

Interesting tidbit from that story:

Am I wrong in openly wondering how legit these injuries actually are? I mean, I know people actually got hurt but still…

The injuries can be quite legit. There are things in the body besides bones that can have long term injury, things like muscles and nerves.

571 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:58:11am

re: #551 Eclectic Cyborg

Interesting tidbit from that story:

Am I wrong in openly wondering how legit these injuries actually are? I mean, I know people actually got hurt but still…

Have you ever been in a car that stopped suddenly (as in: crashed) and you had on a lap belt, a shoulder harness and an airbag deployment?

Now imagine being on an airplane that stops even MOAR SUDDENLY and you’re only wearing a lap belt, no shoulder harness and no airbag.

572 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:58:29am

The thing is many on the right seem to view education and educators with suspicion. They clearly don’t respect academia. Hell, I’d credit my professors and teachers with inspiring many of my passions. I remember we had a unit on 1920’s literature in 11th grade English and I just fell in love with that era. My Russian history professor started teaching Russian history when Khrushchev was still in power and he was a big influence on my interest in that field as well. My godmother was a teacher too. Teachers truly have a thankless job. The way they were being treated by Governor Walker in that debate a couple years ago about their benefits is just another in the long list of why the right in this country disgusts me.

573 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:58:37am

re: #569 GeneJockey

Soft tissue injuries can have severe consequences, and an impact that broke bones and killed people could inflict pretty severe injuries without breaking bones.

Rule of thumb: If someone on the flight is killed, the injuries to others are probably not fake.

574 Joanne  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:58:43am

re: #559 Kragar

My neighbors were dropping $2k a month on private schools for their kids because they were afraid the free elementary school might expose them to the idea of evolution or that gay people exist.

They just went bankrupt and are being forced to move out.

Perhaps they should have considered that prior to having kids. I have no sympathy for them. They want their ignorance doled out to all.

575 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 10:59:12am

re: #570 kirkspencer

The injuries can be quite legit. There are things in the body besides bones that can have long term injury, things like muscles and nerves.

And sphincters.

576 dragonath  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 11:08:05am

re: #557 BeenHereAwhile

BTW, that particular quote is on the Wikiquote page.

577 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 11:09:36am

re: #576 dragonath

BTW, that particular quote is on the Wikiquote page.

Wikiquote is totally worthless, they also have all the debunked Fake Quotes by Washington and Jefferson.

578 kirkspencer  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 11:12:15am

re: #577 Vicious Babushka

Wikiquote is totally worthless, they also have all the debunked Fake Quotes by Washington and Jefferson.

Wikiquote would be well served by requiring a link to the original source of each quote and/or obviously flagging any ‘quotes’ that do not have that link.

579 palomino  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 11:13:32am

re: #345 Vicious Babushka

Clearly the investigations themselves no longer matter in a substantive sense. What the GOP is doing is the same as what they did to Clinton in the 90’s…trying to divert and hamstring his administration by turning everything into a scandal. It’s BS theater, but it works in making the WH play defense. And, since the GOP’s idea of governing is the status quo and little else, if other issues don’t get addressed during the process, it’s still a win win for them.

It’s also about trying to make Hillary, the most admired woman in America for the last 10 years, look less like a future president.

580 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 11:14:00am

re: #111 Gus


Thanks for posting that here.

581 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 11:17:09am

Charles Johnson,

The only thing that surprises me at this point is how he seems to regard Martin Luther King as one of his “great Americans”

582 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:00:50pm

re: #442 Decatur Deb

Just in a contrary mood—and I really despise RS pretentious rise from R&R fan mag to cultural arbiter.

Whoa. From the beginning in the mid 1960s, Jann Wenner thought of
Rolling Stone as becoming more than just a music-rock-and-roll tabloid. Pretentious, perhaps, but Jann Wenner knew what he wanted, and he got it.

Early on there was Hunter S. Thompson’s political writing about the McGovern and Muskie presidential campaigns. The background behind the Democratic convention voting strategy which won McGovern the presidential nomination, and the subsequent landslide loss to Nixon. Characterizing Hubert H. Humphrey campaigning “like a rat in heat.” The results from Pete Sheridan riding on Muskie’s campaign (Sunshine Express?) train.

Later on there was Truman Capote writing about touring with the Rolling Stones. It was about Rock and Roll, but IIRC Capote described the Rolling Stones as, “very good at what they do, but what they do isn’t very good.”

Other notable non music oriented articles were Jan Morris’s dispatches about traveling in the third world.

Don’t expect to change your mind, I just remember some really good writing found in Rolling Stone.

583 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:11:15pm

re: #582 BeenHereAwhile

HST was good, but his shtick got old fast. The Truman Capote quote is basically “Don’t take us seriously.” By the time I could buy Rock albums, Rock was dead.

Voted for McGovern—more of a Ramparts man, meself.

584 Stephen T.  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:38:00pm

re: #572 HappyWarrior

The thing is many on the right seem to view education and educators with suspicion. They clearly don’t respect academia. Hell, I’d credit my professors and teachers with inspiring many of my passions. I remember we had a unit on 1920’s literature in 11th grade English and I just fell in love with that era. My Russian history professor started teaching Russian history when Khrushchev was still in power and he was a big influence on my interest in that field as well. My godmother was a teacher too. Teachers truly have a thankless job. The way they were being treated by Governor Walker in that debate a couple years ago about their benefits is just another in the long list of why the right in this country disgusts me.

I’ve found that those on the right view education with suspicion publicly, but in private are willing to pay big bucks to make sure their own family gets a complete and ahem liberal education. Of course their kids go to elite private schools that have stringent entry requirements, often based on family connections and large donations.

585 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:59:52pm

moved

586 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Jul 17, 2013 1:31:41pm

re: #583 Decatur Deb

HST was good, but his shtick got old fast.

After 1972, Yep. If you were around him in person, you’d start looking for the nearest exit.

By the time I could buy Rock albums, Rock was dead.

Do you mean the day the music died? Waylon and the rest of the surviving Crickets moved on. “Don’t think Hank woulda done it this way.”

Voted for McGovern—more of a Ramparts man, meself.

Never voted for him, but until W, never thought I would miss Richard Nixon as president.

587 Death Panel Truck  Thu, Jul 18, 2013 8:46:10am
And the unique thing about being from that part of the world, when you learn about breeding, you learn that you cannot breed Secretariat to a donkey and expect to win the Kentucky Derby. You guys have incredible DNA and don’t forget it.

This sounded better in the original German.


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