Federal Judge Blocks North Dakota Abortion Law, Calls It ‘Unconstitutional’

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BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — A federal judge on Monday temporarily blocked a new North Dakota law that bans abortion when a fetal heartbeat is detected — as early as six weeks into pregnancy, calling the law “clearly invalid and unconstitutional.”

U.S. District Judge Daniel Hovland in Bismarck granted a temporary injunction Monday that blocks the law from taking effect on Aug. 1.

“There is no question that (the North Dakota law) is in direct contradiction to a litany of United States Supreme Court cases addressing restraints on abortion,” Hovland wrote. ” (It) is clearly an invalid and unconstitutional law based on the United States Supreme Court precedent in Roe v. Wade from 1973 … and the progeny of cases that have followed.”

New York-based Center for Reproductive Rights, which is representing Fargo’s Red River Women’s Clinic, filed the lawsuit after the law was passed this year by the North Dakota Legislature. It would outlaw the procedure as early as six weeks into pregnancy and before some women even know they are pregnant.

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1 majii  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 4:12:59pm

What is wrong with Hovland? He knows he should not have blocked this law. He’s a GWB appointee!! Wait for the RW to label him a traitor in 3…..2…..1….

2 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:30:14pm

Promoting this because it’s great news, as all these GOP-dominated states are passing stupid-crazy anti-choice laws that are going to be struck down by the courts again and again.

Imagine all the money being wasted on this religious right bullshit.

3 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:33:02pm

Activist judges!!

4 AntonSirius  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:37:41pm

re: #1 majii

What is wrong with Hovland? He knows he should not have blocked this law. He’s a GWB appointee!! Wait for the RW to label him a traitor in 3…..2…..1….

This is exactly what they wanted though.

Now they can appeal the ruling all the way up to the Supreme Court, and take their chances with Scalia and his posse finding whatever flimsy excuse they can to reverse Roe v Wade.

5 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:43:35pm

Meanwhile, the assholes in the Texas GOP aren’t happy with the inhumane 20 week law they just passed. Now some of them are aiming for this exact 6-week ban:

huffingtonpost.com

*sigh*

6 Irving  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:43:42pm

re: #4 AntonSirius

This is exactly what they wanted though.

Now they can appeal the ruling all the way up to the Supreme Court, and take their chances with Scalia and his posse finding whatever flimsy excuse they can to reverse Roe v Wade.

Exactly. That’s been the end game with all of these restrictive abortion laws in the first place - the ultimate goal has always been to create a legal situation that provides a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade suitable to taking to the Supreme Court.

7 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:47:07pm

re: #4 AntonSirius

This is exactly what they wanted though.

Now they can appeal the ruling all the way up to the Supreme Court, and take their chances with Scalia and his posse finding whatever flimsy excuse they can to reverse Roe v Wade.

If Roe v. Wade gets reversed the demonstrations in Texas will seem like a small protest.

8 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:47:22pm

And now, the LGF Media Library. First preview version now live:

littlegreenfootballs.com

When you first load it, you’ll see all the YouTube/Vimeo videos and MP3 audio files posted by everyone. If you want to see just your own media, click the “Mine” button.

If you posted the video/audio, you can add searchable tags to it, by typing in the text box and clicking the “Save” button. (If it’s not your media you can search on the tags, but not edit them.)

Still a work in progress, but a helluva lot of fun already to browse through all the video and audio posted at LGF in the past couple of months.

9 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:48:03pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

If Roe v. Wade gets reversed the demonstrations in Texas will seem like a small protest.

If Roe v. Wade gets reversed, expect the religious fanatics in the GOP to go after ALL birth control next, even for married couples.

10 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:52:56pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Thank you Charles. Just got home, nothing to add. I applaud the court and the rest stands for itself.

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:55:01pm

OT, but wanted an opinion from fellow Lizards:

How long is an appropriate grace period a doctor should give you relative to your appointment time?

Earlier today I had a 2:45 appointment and was not seen until just over an HOUR later. Now this was my first visit to this particular doctor so I had to fill out all the paperwork that goes along with that, but I had all that done within 15 minutes of my arrival.

I think more than 15-20 minutes is pushing it. I didn’t leave the doctor’s office today until almost 5 PM. Thank goodness I work mornings or that would have been majorly inconvenient.

12 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:56:41pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Promoting this because it’s great news, as all these GOP-dominated states are passing stupid-crazy anti-choice laws that are going to be struck down by the courts again and again.

Imagine all the money being wasted on this religious right bullshit.

The problem is it perfectly fits their narrative of activist judges and unelected liberal bureaucrats scheming in back rooms to “suppress the will of the people”. The people who support these laws eat this kind of stuff up.

13 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:57:07pm

I started to code the Media Library so it would only show each lizard their own video/audio, but I realized that all of this stuff is already posted publicly, so why not just let everybody see it? Much more fun.

14 calochortus  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:57:43pm

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

It depends. If this is a routine time mismanagement issue, then it is inappropriate, but if the doctor had to discuss a new diagnosis of, say, cancer with a couple of patients and took more than the allotted 10 minutes to do it, then I’d say it was fine. Since this is a new to you doctor, you probably can’t judge based on a single visit.

15 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:58:45pm

This ruling will lead to Hitler.

/Scalia

16 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 5:59:32pm

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

OT, but wanted an opinion from fellow Lizards:

How long is an appropriate grace period a doctor should give you relative to your appointment time?

Earlier today I had a 2:45 appointment and was not seen until just over an HOUR later. Now this was my first visit to this particular doctor so I had to fill out all the paperwork that goes along with that, but I had all that done within 15 minutes of my arrival.

I think more than 15-20 minutes is pushing it. I didn’t leave the doctor’s office today until almost 5 PM. Thank goodness I work mornings or that would have been majorly inconvenient.

Doctors have to handle emergency visits in between their regular appointments.

This was only your first visit (which may take longer because of processing all the paperwork) so next visit may have a shorter wait time.

17 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:01:09pm

Did I mention that if you click a video preview image, it opens in a popover window and starts playing? Same with MP3 audio files.

18 alpuz  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:01:36pm

re: #9 Lidane

Yep. In my opinion they’ve gone all in. I see this as 30 some years of ‘hard work’ coming to fruition. They’re getting in while the getting’s good.

Fuckers.

19 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:03:02pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Holy smokes that is great. Damn I’m suddenly regretting a decision to keep my new short film off the web until I get through the festivals. Every time you do something like this our stuff scores better in Google & Bing searches.

20 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:07:49pm

re: #18 alpuz

Yep. In my opinion they’ve gone all in. I see this as 30 some years of ‘hard work’ coming to fruition. They’re getting in while the getting’s good.

Fuckers.

Not only that, but the two birth control rulings, Griswold (for married couples) and Eisenstadt (for unmarried couples) established the right to privacy that these theocratic nutjobs hate so much. They’d love to get rid of both rulings for that reason alone.

There’s a reason they hate birth control and it’s not just because they think it causes abortions. It’s because those rulings established rights to privacy that they don’t recognize, and because they validated artificial birth control, allowing both married AND single people to regulate their fertility. Can’t allow that. It’s not their God’s plan.

21 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:08:39pm

Started recording the video/audio being posted at LGF on Monday, June 3, 2013 at 5:30 pm PDT — that’s why there aren’t thousands and thousands of videos in the Library already. Thinking about writing a script to scan the archives and grab the rest of ‘em.

22 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:09:15pm

Hovland was appointed by GWB in 2002. So, it’s not as though he’s a flaming liberal. It just points out how far right the Rs have been infiltrated by these jackass RWNJs.

I hate to even mention it, but I smell nascent fascism in those types, given the elements of their ideological thrust, and the source of so much of their funding.

23 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:11:39pm

re: #22 Justanotherhuman

I hate to even mention it, but I smell nascent fascism in those types, given the elements of their ideological thrust, and the source of so much of their funding.

It’s not nascent. It’s blatant. These religious fanatics would impose Dominionist laws on this country if they could get away with it.

24 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:16:17pm

Just got home from my weekly U-Pick. Cabbage, onions, garlic, kale, chard, carrots, beets, Tokyo turnips, spinach, cauliflower, artichokes, lettuce, kolrabi and more I can’t remember - three grocery bags and a box full of vegetables…$20…all organic…passed on the arugula (as I’m growing my own), strawberries, and raspberries. Still got a good $60 worth of vegetables to get me through the week.

Going to dice up some chard, beets & carrots, sautee them in butter with garlic, and toss with pasta for dinner.

25 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:18:22pm

DERP

26 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:19:11pm

re: #24 darthstar

Just got home from my weekly U-Pick. Cabbage, onions, garlic, kale, chard, carrots, beets, Tokyo turnips, spinach, cauliflower, artichokes, lettuce, kolrabi and more I can’t remember - three grocery bags and a box full of vegetables…$20…all organic…passed on the arugula (as I’m growing my own), strawberries, and raspberries. Still got a good $60 worth of vegetables to get me through the week.

Going to dice up some chard, beets & carrots, sautee them in butter with garlic, and toss with pasta for dinner.

Can we come over? : )

27 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:19:19pm

DERP DERP

28 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:22:41pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP

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No they don’t you hateful raging dumbass.

29 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:23:33pm

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

Can we come over? : )

It’s a Giants home-stand week. Wife will be working most nights so I get to consume most of this myself. But as I’ve been trying to lose weight, nomming on a bunch of vegetables for the next few days will help me in that regard.

30 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:24:20pm

Image: 58907_455523991220208_837293595_n.jpg

31 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:26:53pm
32 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:31:13pm

re: #23 Lidane

It’s not nascent. It’s blatant. These religious fanatics would impose Dominionist laws on this country if they could get away with it.

Yes, I suppose it’s die Küche, die Kirche, die Kinder for women in their plan.

White women all get to be Michelle Duggar.

33 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:32:36pm
34 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:33:17pm

It’s only 6,000 years old, but I don’t want to piss in their pudding (actually, I already did on twitter)…

35 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:35:05pm

Okay…this is pretty fucking impressive:

Image: 460x.jpg
Image: 460x.jpg

36 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:35:08pm
37 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:37:12pm

re: #35 darthstar

Okay…this is pretty fucking impressive:

Image: 460x.jpg
Image: 460x.jpg

That’s a frikken graboid.

38 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:38:07pm

great post Bro..Still hot in So. Cal? Allow me to go off-topic for a minute.
Between a new king being born or crazy RWNJ trying to push their belief down our throat..
I have refused to do the social networking thing but was pressured by family to join FB. I’ll eventually do Twitter i guess,
I’ve been on facebook for about a month now.. It’s cool to stay in touch with family and close friends..It’s kind of weird how you end up with friends that you really don’t know.. Like a daughter of a friends friend and they send a request.I can’t say no..I won’t complain about 20 something cute girls ask to be my friend..They have be some daughters of some friends. I honest to Gawd won’t ask who the hell they are.. Cause somebodies feeling are going to be hurt if I don’t remember them..LOL.. That is not the issue. I became friends of a lady I worked with in the past for about 10 years. It was cool to reconnect with her again..Sort of.. She is into Horses, all things horses, Pictures of race horses and history and shit..Every day I’m flooded with a ton of horse stories and pictures every single day..My time line is all about horses and jockeys and races..Without a let-up all the time..I can’t block her but I’m not into all things horse..
You know..Horse stuff..or as I say..Horse shit..All her friends are into it so I have entire conversations of them in my timeline..It’s all scrolling all the time to get to my kids or family..I can’t block her or feelings will be hurt..
So anybody know what to do? Can I shit-can her hundreds of horse posts without her knowing about it? Other than that FB seems to be a good resource for friends and family..I saw a ton of pictures of my nephew’s wedding last weekend..My kids seem to think when ever they go out to dinner they must post pictures of the place and the food they ordered.
My daughter posts pictures of everywhere she and her boyfriend goes.I mean her life is out there.. I think It’s great to see but I think some people are ate up with it.. Sharing everything..It’s great for me as a dad to check out pictures of the hotel, ball park or camping out..but really?
I hope I never do that…:)

39 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:41:05pm

re: #35 darthstar

Okay…this is pretty fucking impressive:

Image: 460x.jpg
Image: 460x.jpg

It really is. 72M years old—that means if Jesus was that old, he could have ridden it? Image: th_jesus-and-dino-742389_zps3fc51929.jpg

40 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:44:00pm
41 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:48:15pm

re: #38 HoosierHoops

My only use for facebook is tracking who had a baby and whose birthday it is.

42 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:48:36pm

re: #38 HoosierHoops

great post Bro..Still hot in So. Cal? Allow me to go off-topic for a minute.
Between a new king being born or crazy RWNJ trying to push their belief down our throat..
I have refused to do the social networking thing but was pressured by family to join FB. I’ll eventually do Twitter i guess,
I’ve been on facebook for about a month now.. It’s cool to stay in touch with family and close friends..It’s kind of weird how you end up with friends that you really don’t know.. Like a daughter of a friends friend and they send a request.I can’t say no..I won’t complain about 20 something cute girls ask to be my friend..They have be some daughters of some friends. I honest to Gawd won’t ask who the hell they are.. Cause somebodies feeling are going to be hurt if I don’t remember them..LOL.. That is not the issue. I became friends of a lady I worked with in the past for about 10 years. It was cool to reconnect with her again..Sort of.. She is into Horses, all things horses, Pictures of race horses and history and shit..Every day I’m flooded with a ton of horse stories and pictures every single day..My time line is all about horses and jockeys and races..Without a let-up all the time..I can’t block her but I’m not into all things horse..
You know..Horse stuff..or as I say..Horse shit..All her friends are into it so I have entire conversations of them in my timeline..It’s all scrolling all the time to get to my kids or family..I can’t block her or feelings will be hurt..
So anybody know what to do? Can I shit-can her hundreds of horse posts without her knowing about it? Other than that FB seems to be a good resource for friends and family..I saw a ton of pictures of my nephew’s wedding last weekend..My kids seem to think when ever they go out to dinner they must post pictures of the place and the food they ordered.
My daughter posts pictures of everywhere she and her boyfriend goes.I mean her life is out there.. I think It’s great to see but I think some people are ate up with it.. Sharing everything..It’s great for me as a dad to check out pictures of the hotel, ball park or camping out..but really?
I hope I never do that…:)

Here is what you can do. You can HIDE the feeds from everyone whose comings & goings & goings & comings you do not want to see.

43 Stanley Sea  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:48:36pm

re: #38 HoosierHoops

I’m not on the FB. You probably just reminded me why.

44 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:49:04pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

And now, the LGF Media Library. First preview version now live:

littlegreenfootballs.com

When you first load it, you’ll see all the YouTube/Vimeo videos and MP3 audio files posted by everyone. If you want to see just your own media, click the “Mine” button.

If you posted the video/audio, you can add searchable tags to it, by typing in the text box and clicking the “Save” button. (If it’s not your media you can search on the tags, but not edit them.)

Still a work in progress, but a helluva lot of fun already to browse through all the video and audio posted at LGF in the past couple of months.

That’s going to make St Patrick’s Day a lot easier.

45 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:49:43pm

I am only on Teh Facebook to view pictures of my grandkids. THAT IS ALL. Teh Twitters is for Teh Crazy.

46 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:50:36pm

re: #38 HoosierHoops

You can ignore friend requests. And if you know it’s someone who is a friend of your kid, you can friend them then hide their status updates so your FB feed isn’t polluted with their inane posts.

I’ve been friended by a few lizards (hi, friends!)…most are pretty much as advertised here, but there are a few (now inactive at LGF for the most part) who let their anti-Obama racism surface without filter on facebook(in their defense, their close friends on fb echo that sentiment openly). That usually coincides with geographic location, surprise, surprise. Still, it’s interesting when you see someone who normally keeps a pretty clear head here go tinfoil in another forum where they’re nowhere near as anonymous.

Remember that you control what you see and say on facebook, as with any other site. Take the good, and take the bad with a grain of salt.

47 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:51:52pm

re: #39 Justanotherhuman

It really is. 72M years old—that means if Jesus was that old, he could have ridden it? Image: th_jesus-and-dino-742389_zps3fc51929.jpg

Obviously planted there to test our faith.

48 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:53:04pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Obviously planted there to test our faith.

I have this shirt and wear it all the time
Image: devil.jpg

49 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:53:19pm

Here is a reminder of the batshit RWNJ’s who want this 6-week abortion ban. Also they would define “6 weeks” as actually “4 weeks” since they do not know that implantation takes place more than a week after fertilization.

50 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:53:51pm
51 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:54:18pm
52 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:55:22pm

re: #51 darthstar

What the what…

53 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:57:03pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

What the what…

I hope someone identifies her in her local community and shares that image so everyone she knows gets to see it…including her parents, her pastor, her teachers, her boss, her friends…everyone.

54 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:57:38pm

re: #50 Lidane

Emo kitten contemplating suicide, frustrated by all the “four paws’ memes, turns to Snopes.

55 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:58:03pm

re: #51 darthstar

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What in the fuckety fuck is that fuckery? They really do want a race war, then they’ll blame it on minorities.

56 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:58:36pm

re: #42 Vicious Babushka

Here is what you can do. You can HIDE the feeds from everyone whose comings & goings & goings & comings you do not want to see.

Bless you sister.. Guess I need to go to FB and find out how to hide her posts..I don’t want her to know I’m hiding her posts..I tread lightly.. Thanks again for a lead about hiding posts..

57 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:59:15pm

WHAT FRESH DLL HELL IS THIS?!?!?!

java->jni->c++ dll->COM->COM dll->another dll->^&*$(^&*($

58 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 6:59:20pm

re: #51 darthstar

Rockin’ 50s sunglasses—my guardian wore those, but she was a serious barfly.

59 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:00:17pm

re: #35 darthstar

Okay…this is pretty fucking impressive:

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Image: 460x.jpg

A hadrosaur of some type I’m thinking.

60 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:00:18pm

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

What in the fuckety fuck is that fuckery? They really do want a race war, then they’ll blame it on minorities.

No, that one looks like the kind who’d openly admit to wanting a race war. I’d not be surprised to find out she owns a copy of The Turner Diaries.

61 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:01:17pm

Okay…time to go prep dinner. Back in a while.

62 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:01:26pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

No, that one looks like the kind who’d openly admit to wanting a race war. I’d not be surprised to find out she owns a copy of The Turner Diaries.

And there’s this, too: Image: national-review-cartoon-of-the-day-lynching.jpg

63 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:01:41pm

Now this is right on the money:

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64 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:01:43pm

re: #59 Romantic Heretic

A hadrosaur of some type I’m thinking.

I’d agree with that. It clearly seemed like a biped to me.

65 alpuz  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:03:01pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

I’m guessing we’ll see more of this.

66 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:03:02pm

re: #59 Romantic Heretic

A hadrosaur of some type I’m thinking.

Clearly a dragon.

67 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:03:24pm

re: #62 Justanotherhuman

You know what’s extra-friggin’ distusting about that?

Sharpton may be a self-promoting dude whose motivations are muddled, but he got goddamn stabbed protesting the beating death of a black teenager. Basically, he got stabbed while protesting a lynching.

68 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:03:54pm

re: #56 HoosierHoops

Bless you sister.. Guess I need to go to FB and find out how to hide her posts..I don’t want her to know I’m hiding her posts..I tread lightly.. Thanks again for a lead about hiding posts..

Here is what you do. When you see a post you don’t want cluttering up your timeline, you mouse over your “friend’s” name and a little down arrow will appear in the right-hand corner. Click on the down arrow and select “Hide…”

It even asks if you want to Hide All from “friend” and you can do that without “unfriending.” You can also choose which updates from “friends” you want to see so your timeline isn’t full of all their comings & goings & goings & comings.

69 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:04:33pm

re: #62 Justanotherhuman

And there’s this, too: Image: national-review-cartoon-of-the-day-lynching.jpg

Michael Ramirez, I should have known.

70 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:05:54pm

re: #67 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You know what’s extra-friggin’ distugting about that?

Sharpton may be a self-promoting dude whose motivations are muddled, but he got goddamn stabbed protesting the beating death of a black teenager. Basically, he got stabbed while protesting a lynching.

There are people in Crown Heights who are pissed about Sharpton to this very day.

71 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:07:18pm

re: #67 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You know what’s extra-friggin’ distugting about that?

Sharpton may be a self-promoting dude whose motivations are muddled, but he got goddamn stabbed protesting the beating death of a black teenager. Basically, he got stabbed while protesting a lynching.

Truth be told, getting stabbed is a fairly non-specific endorsement. Like you said, muddled.

72 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:07:32pm

IT’S FUCKING WINTER THERE.

73 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:08:28pm

re: #51 darthstar

i had a feeling all this “but i’m not a racist” would be grinding on their nerves

what’s next - a ‘racist and proud’ movement?

74 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:08:32pm

re: #70 Vicious Babushka

There are people in Crown Heights who are pissed about Sharpton to this very day.

I ruled out the Montgomery SYG demo because his fingerprints are on it.

75 jaunte  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:09:07pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

But it’s in SOUTHERN Brazil!!!

76 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:09:17pm

re: #73 engineer cat

i had a feeling all this “but i’m not a racist” would be grinding on their nerves

what’s next - a ‘racist and proud’ movement?

That’s not next, it’s already up.

77 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:09:27pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

IT’S FUCKING WINTER THERE.

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Southern hemisphere, northern hemisphere, it’s all the same to the Brain Trust of the Right Wing.

78 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:09:28pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

IT’S FUCKING WINTER THERE.

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Pardon my asshattery, but he’s a fucking retard.

79 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:09:30pm

re: #73 engineer cat

i had a feeling all this “but i’m not a racist” would be grinding on their nerves

what’s next - a ‘racist and proud’ movement?

DORA—the Defense Of Realism Act.

80 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:10:29pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

DORA—the Defense Of Realism Act.

You mean the Defense of Racism Act?

81 ObserverArt  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:11:27pm

re: #53 darthstar

I hope someone identifies her in her local community and shares that image so everyone she knows gets to see it…including her parents, her pastor, her teachers, her boss, her friends…everyone.

Depending on the depth of what has already influenced her racism some of them may have played a big part.

As has been posted around here and elsewhere - racism is taught and learned. Who taught her and who will she teach?

Some folks just cannot nor will not be embarrassed either. They are proud.

82 jaunte  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:11:59pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

83 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:12:10pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

You mean the Defense of Racism Act?

“Realism” has a nicer ring. Haven’t you been reading the ‘realists’? They’re polysyllabic.

84 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:12:28pm

zimmerman

iirc, in the 1850s they were also just trying to get the issue under control, but things just kept on happening that made the monster break out of the cellar yet again

bottled up frustration and rage is highly combustible, and tends to fix on vulnerable groups when it finally explodes

the thing is, it is really the faceless forces of the international economy that have put the squeeze on the american middle class that is causing there to be so much pain looking for an outlet

85 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:13:31pm

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

Here is what you do. When you see a post you don’t want cluttering up your timeline, you mouse over your “friend’s” name and a little down arrow will appear in the right-hand corner. Click on the down arrow and select “Hide…”

It even asks if you want to Hide All from “friend” and you can do that without “unfriending.” You can also choose which updates from “friends” you want to see so your timeline isn’t full of all their comings & goings & goings & comings.

Thanks! I did that..Whew..One more picture of a race horse will push me off the cliff..:) I mean really..I got flooded with this stuff..I could be a great bookie and play the ponies at Remington fields with her feeds.
But really? I get pictures of a new saddle a horse is using.. Good grief!

86 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:15:11pm

So it seems that last Wednesday this happened:

Four days after he was acquitted of murder, George Zimmerman stepped out of seclusion to help a family get out of an overturned vehicle in Florida, authorities said Monday.

Zimmerman and another man helped four people get out of an SUV that had overturned Wednesday evening in Sanford, the same community where the former neighborhood watch volunteer fatally shot teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012, Seminole County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Heather Smith said.

Callers to 911 described a dramatic scene: An SUV lost control in the area of Interstate 4 and State Road 46, flipping on its side and sliding into a median.

Several callers said they saw people helping a family trapped inside the overturned SUV, according to audio recordings released by the sheriff’s office.

“There was tons of smoke … people were starting to rush towards the vehicle,” one caller said.

“They got everyone out of the car,” another caller reported. About a minute later, the caller said, it looked like the vehicle was catching fire.

By the time a deputy arrived, Zimmerman and another man already had helped the two adults and two children out of the vehicle, Smith said.

Zimmerman did not witness the crash, and he left after making contact with the deputy, Smith said. No injuries were reported in the crash.

My first reaction on reading the headline of this story was “Good, this time Zimmerman was ‘Johnny-On-The-Spot’ with a good outcome.” But when I had the chance to actually read the story and found out that Zimmerman hadn’t witnessed the crash my opinion changed. George Zimmerman is still trying to prove himself some type of hero, and whatever one thinks of his trial, his desire to prove himself clearly set in motion the train of events that led to Trayvon Martin’s death.

I’m still glad Zimmerman’s wish to be a hero led to positive outcome the second time around, but I am quite worried that there will be a third time he decides to prove himself and I fear what the outcome of that time will be.

87 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:16:18pm

I when it comes to the anti-choice crowd, I have no problem pushing the buttons to make them look at the obvious logical conclusion for their positions. It usually goes something like this.

I agree with you that Abortion is murder. If we are a nation of laws and believe in equal justice for all that would include our pre-born citizens, correct? (They always agree with this point). Then I simply ask them if just the doctor who performed the abortion should be tried for murder, and the mother as an accessory, or should both be tried for murder.

RBS
“The Snark is strong in this one”

88 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:16:24pm

re: #83 Decatur Deb

“Realism” has a nicer ring. Haven’t you been reading the ‘realists’? They’re polysyllabic.

I don’t want to be nice to blatant racists. Fuck ‘em.

89 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:17:40pm

OUTRAGE!


Cue the ‘splodey heads in 3…2….1….

90 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:18:11pm

re: #87 RealityBasedSteve

I when it comes to the anti-choice crowd, I have no problem pushing the buttons to make them look at the obvious logical conclusion for their positions. It usually goes something like this.

I agree with you that Abortion is murder. If we are a nation of laws and believe in equal justice for all that would include our pre-born citizens, correct? (They always agree with this point). Then I simply ask them if just the doctor who performed the abortion should be tried for murder, and the mother as an accessory, or should both be tried for murder.

RBS
“The Snark is strong in this one”

A Tea Partier was asked this very question.

91 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:18:53pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

I’m still glad Zimmerman’s wish to be a hero led to positive outcome the second time around, but I am quite worried that there will be a third time he decides to prove himself and I fear what the outcome of that time will be.

Zimmerman’s wish to be a hero got a 17 year old unarmed kid killed.

Fuck him and his fake attempts at redemption.

92 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:19:25pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

You shouldn’t actually pull people out of cars. You can kill ‘em if they’ve got broken bones. You should leave it to the professionals, unless the car is on fire, or the person is getting out on their own.

93 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:20:02pm

re: #85 HoosierHoops

Thanks! I did that..Whew..One more picture of a race horse will push me off the cliff..:) I mean really..I got flooded with this stuff..I could be a great bookie and play the ponies at Remington fields with her feeds.
But really? I get pictures of a new saddle a horse is using.. Good grief!

Some trust in kittehs…

94 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:22:27pm

re: #91 Lidane

Zimmerman’s wish to be a hero got a 17 year old unarmed kid killed.

Fuck him and his attempts at redemption.

Damn, but you’ve hit something there. Is all this shit because he’s some kind of fucked-up ComiCon wannabe?

95 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:22:58pm

re: #85 HoosierHoops

Thanks! I did that..Whew..One more picture of a race horse will push me off the cliff..:) I mean really..I got flooded with this stuff..I could be a great bookie and play the ponies at Remington fields with her feeds.
But really? I get pictures of a new saddle a horse is using.. Good grief!

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96 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:23:04pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

IT’S FUCKING WINTER THERE.

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97 Gus  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:23:20pm
98 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:23:27pm

re: #92 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You shouldn’t actually pull people out of cars. You can kill ‘em if they’ve got broken bones. You should leave it to the professionals, unless the car is on fire, or the person is getting out on their own.

Well, the vehicle was smoking heavily, but your point is still well made.

99 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:24:52pm

re: #85 HoosierHoops

Here, hoops, have some of the best horse on twitter.


100 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:25:47pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Damn, but you’ve hit something there. Is all this shit because he’s some kind of fucked-up ComiCon wannabe?

In a way, yes. He wants to prove himself to the world.

101 jaunte  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:25:51pm

Record Heat for the World’s Most Northerly City

Temperatures at Norilsk, Russia have peaked at 32.0°C (89.6°F) today (Monday, July 22), the warmest ever observed at this large city in the Russian Arctic near 70° N latitude, almost as far north as Barrow, Alaska, and possibly the warmest temperature ever measured at such a northerly latitude on earth.

102 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:25:52pm

re: #97 Gus


I remember the Detroit Grand Prix. What was that, 20 years ago? I worked at GM then, everyone got free tickets.

103 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:26:12pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Well, the vehicle was smoking heavily, but your point is still well made.

An ER nurse once told me you’d be surprised at how many accident victims walk around with broken necks, risking paralysis. And the spleen is particularly vulnerable to airbags.

104 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:26:38pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Well, the vehicle was smoking heavily, but your point is still well made.

Also, if someone is lying on the ground, for some reason everyone goes and cradles the head. Don’t cradle the head! Don’t touch if you don’t have to. You are not going to heal with the power of your damn hands.

How about we do two years of civil service where people just learn how to do shit right?

105 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:26:50pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

In a way, yes. He wants to prove himself to the world.

We have an Army for that.

106 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:27:26pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

We have an Army Touhou for that.

107 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:27:36pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

In a way, yes. He wants to prove himself to the world.

He should’ve thought about that before his wannabe hero actions got a kid killed.

Fuck him.

108 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:27:53pm

re: #101 jaunte

Barrow was 64 today. weather.com

109 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:28:29pm

re: #104 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Also, if someone is lying on the ground, for some reason everyone goes and cradles the head. Don’t cradle the head! Don’t touch if you don’t have to. You are not going to heal with the power of your damn hands.

How about we do two years of civil service where people just learn how to do shit right?

The Army gives reflective helmet stickers to motorcycle riders: “In Case Of Accident, Don’t Tear My Freakn’ Head Off”.

110 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:28:59pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

So it seems that last Wednesday this happened:

My first reaction on reading the headline of this story was “Good, this time Zimmerman was ‘Johnny-On-The-Spot’ with a good outcome.” But when I had the chance to actually read the story and found out that Zimmerman hadn’t witnessed the crash my opinion changed. George Zimmerman is still trying to prove himself some type of hero, and whatever one thinks of his trial, his desire to prove himself clearly set in motion the train of events that led to Trayvon Martin’s death.

I’m still glad Zimmerman’s wish to be a hero led to positive outcome the second time around, but I am quite worried that there will be a third time he decides to prove himself and I fear what the outcome of that time will be.

I’m always thankful for people that rush in to help. Fire, Wreck or whatever.
Most people don’t care to get involved..I’m reminded of those hero’s that drag people out of a burning car..or save a drowning child. There have been times when I and other people helped in the aftermath of a horrible crash..And some people were honking their horns on the Interstate pissed off they couldn’t drive around the accident..Did they jump out and help?
No..They would call 911..Probably to speed up the tow trucks..After the cops and everybody arrived I got in my car and tried too merge into the traffic that was miles long.. Nobody would let me into the open lane as much as I tried..for like 20 minutes.. I would get the finger as they speed by or they would just ignore me. That is California for you..:)
Bless those that help people in a dire state..

111 ObserverArt  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:29:44pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

So it seems that last Wednesday this happened:

My first reaction on reading the headline of this story was “Good, this time Zimmerman was ‘Johnny-On-The-Spot’ with a good outcome.” But when I had the chance to actually read the story and found out that Zimmerman hadn’t witnessed the crash my opinion changed. George Zimmerman is still trying to prove himself some type of hero, and whatever one thinks of his trial, his desire to prove himself clearly set in motion the train of events that led to Trayvon Martin’s death.

I’m still glad Zimmerman’s wish to be a hero led to positive outcome the second time around, but I am quite worried that there will be a third time he decides to prove himself and I fear what the outcome of that time will be.

Is there any kind of clinical description or name given to a hero complex? It’s like Zimmerman has some form of mutant Munchausen biproxy. I don’t know of all the mental illness forms that may cover this.

Or, he’s a whacked out Walter Mitty/Leonard Zelig (Woody Allen film character).

112 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:31:56pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

My first reaction on reading the headline of this story was “Good, this time Zimmerman was ‘Johnny-On-The-Spot’ with a good outcome.” But when I had the chance to actually read the story and found out that Zimmerman hadn’t witnessed the crash my opinion changed. George Zimmerman is still trying to prove himself some type of hero, and whatever one thinks of his trial, his desire to prove himself clearly set in motion the train of events that led to Trayvon Martin’s death.

I’m still glad Zimmerman’s wish to be a hero led to positive outcome the second time around, but I am quite worried that there will be a third time he decides to prove himself and I fear what the outcome of that time will be.

I usually don’t profile this way, but Zimmerman is totally one of those guys who wants to be a cop, but can’t get through the psych profile because of impulse control, anger issues or some such issue.

On all of his past collars, he claims to have been defending himself…against his girlfriend, against a policeman…and his story about chasing Martin and how the confrontation went down doesn’t hang together wholly. Tying that to the above, we’ve got a guy who sees himself as a hero regardless of what he’s doing, and has pretty elaborate defense mechanisms justifying whatever choice he makes.

In this case, lack of impulse control isn’t a big deal, because there’s no nuance: car flipped and on fire, help people out. You’re right that the next time might not be a good thing, and unfortunately think there’s going to be a next time.

113 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:34:48pm

re: #112 The Ghost of a Flea

I usually don’t profile this way, but Zimmerman is totally one of those guys who wants to be a cop, but can’t get through the psych profile because of impulse control, anger issues or some such issue.

On all of his past collars, he claims to have been defending himself…against his girlfriend, against a policeman…and his story about chasing Martin and how the confrontation went down doesn’t hang together wholly. Tying that to the above, we’ve got a guy who sees himself as a hero regardless of what he’s doing, and has pretty elaborate defense mechanisms justifying whatever choice he makes.

In this case, lack of impulse control isn’t a big deal, because there’s no nuance: car flipped and on fire, help people out. You’re right that the next time might not be a good thing, and unfortunately think there’s going to be a next time.

Next Time could be one of his fans—this guys television career is just starting.

114 AntonSirius  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:35:33pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

IT’S FUCKING WINTER THERE.

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Fucking hemispheres, how do they work?

115 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:37:43pm

re: #107 Lidane

He should’ve thought about that before his wannabe hero actions got a kid killed.

Fuck him.

Saying that won’t stop him. He’s got a fierce desire to show the world he’s capable and anger at what he feels is a job being badly done, plus a penchant for getting in over his head. In a way that’s fitting with his name, since those are traits stereotypically assigned to people of German extraction. George Zimmerman kind of reminds me of Kaiser Wilhelm II in that way.

Note: The preceding was the musings of someone who’s part German and quite possibly talking out his own ass. Ethnicity does not, after all, determine personality.

116 AntonSirius  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:38:26pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

So it seems that last Wednesday this happened:

My first reaction on reading the headline of this story was “Good, this time Zimmerman was ‘Johnny-On-The-Spot’ with a good outcome.” But when I had the chance to actually read the story and found out that Zimmerman hadn’t witnessed the crash my opinion changed. George Zimmerman is still trying to prove himself some type of hero, and whatever one thinks of his trial, his desire to prove himself clearly set in motion the train of events that led to Trayvon Martin’s death.

I’m still glad Zimmerman’s wish to be a hero led to positive outcome the second time around, but I am quite worried that there will be a third time he decides to prove himself and I fear what the outcome of that time will be.

When I Googled that, I couldn’t help but notice that the WND version of the story specified that it was a white family in the SUV.

117 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:38:58pm

Zimmerman is sort of like a firefighter arsonist who sets fires and then rescues people to fulfill a need to be seen as a hero. Yes, that happens, too.

118 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:40:09pm

Lol.
cnn.com

119 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:41:38pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

He’s got a fierce desire to show the world he’s capable and anger at what he feels is a job being badly done, plus a penchant for getting in over his head.

I don’t care what his motivations are. He should be in jail right now for manslaughter, not trying to force a redemption story by trying to stage a heroic rescue.

120 blueraven  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:42:59pm

re: #112 The Ghost of a Flea

I usually don’t profile this way, but Zimmerman is totally one of those guys who wants to be a cop, but can’t get through the psych profile because of impulse control, anger issues or some such issue.

On all of his past collars, he claims to have been defending himself…against his girlfriend, against a policeman…and his story about chasing Martin and how the confrontation went down doesn’t hang together wholly. Tying that to the above, we’ve got a guy who sees himself as a hero regardless of what he’s doing, and has pretty elaborate defense mechanisms justifying whatever choice he makes.

In this case, lack of impulse control isn’t a big deal, because there’s no nuance: car flipped and on fire, help people out. You’re right that the next time might not be a good thing, and unfortunately think there’s going to be a next time.

Is he using a police scanner?
Is he being a good citizen or a thrill seeker?
Many questions left about George Zimmerman.

121 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:43:23pm

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

re: #119 Lidane

As much as I think Zimmerman’s a manslaughter-er who should be in jail, he didn’t stage the accident, so this is kind of unfair.

122 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:44:29pm

re: #121 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

As much as I think Zimmerman’s a manslaughter-er who should be in jail, he didn’t stage the accident, so this is kind of unfair.

He didn’t stage the accident, but he damn sure made sure that his name got out there as a sympathetic hero figure.

Fuck that and fuck him.

123 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:44:51pm

re: #116 AntonSirius

When I Googled that, I couldn’t help but notice that the WND version of the story specified that it was a white family in the SUV.

To be fair to George Zimmerman, he didn’t know that when he heard of the wreck, and I will credit him with enough humanity to believe that he would not have let children burn to death, no matter their race (Your mileage may vary on that second point). In fact he might feel added incentive to work to rescue a black family specifically to show he isn’t a racist.

The note about the race of the family says little if anything about George Zimmerman, but it speaks volumes about Weird Nut Daily.

124 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:44:52pm

It gets worse for Z-man. dailycaller.com

Does he have a police scanner, too?

125 jaunte  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:45:38pm
In 1971 he took a job at Seattle’s Suicide Hotline crisis center. There he met and worked alongside Rule, a former Seattle police officer and aspiring crime writer who would later write one of the definitive Bundy biographies, The Stranger Beside Me. Rule saw nothing disturbing in Bundy’s personality at the time, describing him as “kind, solicitous, and empathetic”.
en.wikipedia.org
126 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:46:16pm

re: #122 Lidane

He didn’t stage the accident, but he damn sure made sure that his name got out there as a sympathetic hero figure.

Fuck that and fuck him.

Actually, it’s not clear he did that:

Shawn Vincent, a spokesman for George Zimmerman’s legal defense team, said when Zimmerman spoke with his attorneys on Friday, the car wreck didn’t come up.

The defense team, Vincent said, first heard of Zimmerman’s involvement when media reports surfaced Monday.

127 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:46:30pm

re: #122 Lidane

I’d rather just call him an idiot for dragging people out of a car when you’re really not supposed to do that. You shouldn’t play cop and follow people around, and you shouldn’t play paramedic and drag people out of crashed cars.

128 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:46:35pm

re: #124 Justanotherhuman

It gets worse for Z-man. dailycaller.com

Does he have a police scanner, too?

If he does have a scanner, that makes his attempt at heroism even more transparent. It would suggest he’s looking for the next disaster to try and intervene and be the hero.

129 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:47:50pm

re: #127 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’d rather just call him an idiot for dragging people out of a car when you’re really not supposed to do that. You shouldn’t play cop and follow people around, and you shouldn’t play paramedic and drag people out of crashed cars.

Not just an idiot. A dangerous idiot with a vigilante hero complex.

He should be in jail right now for manslaughter, not trying to fix his image by pretending to be a hero again.

130 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:48:19pm

re: #125 jaunte

OK, that’s a bit over-the-top, don’t you think? It’s easy to buy Zimmerman as having a hero complex, but he doesn’t profile like a serial killer.

131 jaunte  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:50:18pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

It just shows that it’s hard to tell what some people are capable of, even if they ‘act nice.’

132 jaunte  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:52:14pm

Uh oh, Walking Dead UK has started:

133 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:53:04pm

re: #131 jaunte

It just shows that it’s hard to tell what some people are capable of, even if they ‘act nice.’

Like Dennis Rader, Lutheran deacon. en.wikipedia.org

134 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:53:52pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

OK, that’s a bit over-the-top, don’t you think? It’s easy to buy Zimmerman as having a hero complex, but he doesn’t profile like a serial killer.

I think his point is not that the profiles fully overlap, but that external actions don’t always demonstrate a person’s inner mindset or motives.

Then again, I think there’s a larger non-sequitur issue with whether “serial killer” really is a singular, stable profile, but that’s for another day, I think.

135 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:54:01pm

last Wednesday this happened

i don’t look forward to reading about how wingnuts have already gone ahead and made up fucked up reactions they will swear that us “liberals” are having to this

i already read in the freeps where we are supposed to be calling it ‘racist’ since the family was white

136 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:54:18pm

Okay, here is a million dollar question.

I’ve brought up the Mountain Meadows Massacre to a couple of Mormons, and they have always fallen back to the defense of “they deserved it.” Why?

And why do they constantly trot out the whole “most persecuted religion in American History” thing? Looking at their history, they often brought trouble down on themselves for various reasons. Whether it be the Kirtland Bank Fraud, the breaking of promises in Missouri, or the Theocracy in Nauvoo.

In fact, speaking as a Muslim, if the Meccans had the same attitude as the the people who first made deals in Missouri, or allowed Nauvoo to be set up, their never would have been Hijra.

It doesn’t help that in the past, the Mormon Church have used Muslims as a shield against accusations, but they have not even once come to the defense of Muslim-Americans.

137 Mattand  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:54:29pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

OK, that’s a bit over-the-top, don’t you think? It’s easy to buy Zimmerman as having a hero complex, but he doesn’t profile like a serial killer.

Yet.

138 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:54:29pm

HA!
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139 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:55:16pm

re: #136 ProTARDISLiberal

Give up this stupid attempt to smear Mormons with shit that happened fucking forever again. It is creepy beyond creepy.

140 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:56:18pm

Who knew GZ was a party animal or had the money to host one? gigs.in

141 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:56:32pm

re: #131 jaunte

It just shows that it’s hard to tell what some people are capable of, even if they ‘act nice.’

Don’t I know it. There was a guy I was friends with the latter half of my freshman year of high school. He and I had lockers right near each other for sophomore year and continued getting along famously and helping each other out. Then he got expelled in October of that year for hitting another student with a brick outside of a school dance.

The following Monday when I found out about that incident (remember this was back in the early 1990’s, before high school students typically had cell phones), I came to think “If you think you know someone, think again.” Unoriginal, I know, but I’ve found it a useful reminder over the 20 years that have since gone by.

142 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:56:38pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

So it seems that last Wednesday this happened:

My first reaction on reading the headline of this story was “Good, this time Zimmerman was ‘Johnny-On-The-Spot’ with a good outcome.” But when I had the chance to actually read the story and found out that Zimmerman hadn’t witnessed the crash my opinion changed. George Zimmerman is still trying to prove himself some type of hero, and whatever one thinks of his trial, his desire to prove himself clearly set in motion the train of events that led to Trayvon Martin’s death.
I’m still glad Zimmerman’s wish to be a hero led to positive outcome the second time around, but I am quite worried that there will be a third time he decides to prove himself and I fear what the outcome of that time will be.

So what, does he sit in a cave and listen to police scanners all day?
Someone needs to tell him that Batman is just make believe.

143 Gus  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:57:48pm

I’m neutral with the royal baby. :D

144 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:58:07pm

re: #139 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And yet Prop 8 happened 5 years ago.

And I do have a different attitude with Mormonism. Have you seen Joseph Smith’s, well, everything.

145 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 7:59:43pm

re: #143 Gus

I’m neutral with the royal baby. :D

If nothing else, just be glad a child has been born healthy to parents who love him and who for all appearances are decent people.

146 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:00:03pm

re: #144 ProTARDISLiberal

Yeah, so talk about prop 8, not shit that happened fucking forever ago.


Edited because fuck it.

147 alpuz  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:00:11pm

re: #124 Justanotherhuman

I learned a lot about myself from the comment section over there.
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148 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:00:48pm

re: #144 ProTARDISLiberal

And yet Prop 8 happened 5 years ago.

And I do have a different attitude with Mormonism. Have you seen Joseph Smith’s, well, everything.

I do have family who are Mormon, PLL. I’d ask you to please be careful not to paint with too broad a brush.

149 Mattand  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:00:53pm

re: #142 OhNoZombies!

So what, does he sit in a cave and listen to police scanners all day?
Someone needs to tell him that Batman is just make believe.

I think his comic book role model is closer to the Punisher.

150 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:07:31pm

re: #149 Mattand

I think his comic book role model is closer to the Punisher.

I think he’s closer to the Punisher.
But, I have a feeling he views himself as being closer to Batman.

151 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:08:21pm

re: #147 alpuz

I learned a lot about myself from the comment section over there.
Image: Screen_Shot_2013-07-22_at_9.58.25_PM.png

Mr. Zimmerman represents something the left despises

that didn’t take long

152 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:09:49pm

and tell me something:

why hasn’t that prize moron hannity been suspended for the crap that came out of his mouth yesterday?

153 alpuz  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:09:52pm

‘unique humanity’.

‘To the left, murder of the common man is no big deal; the holocaustic actions of their leftist ancestors: Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Castro, Che, etc. clearly shows this.’

Naw, all’s well. Great day to be a fiscally conservative, moderate republican. No worries.

edit ///

154 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:10:30pm

re: #151 engineer cat

Mr. Zimmerman represents something the left despises

that didn’t take long

If they mean whakadoos having easy access to guns, then they are correct.

155 AntonSirius  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:11:19pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

The note about the race of the family says little if anything about George Zimmerman, but it speaks volumes about Weird Nut Daily.

They do have their target audience pegged.

156 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:11:46pm

re: #144 ProTARDISLiberal

And yet Prop 8 happened 5 years ago.

And I do have a different attitude with Mormonism. Have you seen Joseph Smith’s, well, everything.

And how does Islam treat gays? Don’t throw stones.

157 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:12:06pm

re: #149 Mattand

I think his comic book role model is closer to the Punisher.

If this report is true, he liked to throw women around as much as his own weight. rawstory.com

158 Mattand  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:14:51pm

re: #157 Justanotherhuman

If this report is true, he liked to throw women around as much as his own weight. rawstory.com

If true. IMO, RawStory reporting on a NY Daily News article is combining two forms of horseshit with a dash of crazy.

159 efuseakay  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:16:10pm

re: #142 OhNoZombies!

So what, does he sit in a cave and listen to police scanners all day?
Someone needs to tell him that Batman is just make believe.

You know. If Trayvon was white, Zimmerman would have been found guilty and the you-know-who’s” would be calling to deport all Hispanics…

160 Gus  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:17:43pm
161 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:18:03pm

re: #151 engineer cat

Mr. Zimmerman represents something the left despises

that didn’t take long

I’m a liberal that lives on a two-lane death trap.

I rescue people from cars twice a year, and have for basically fifteen years in a row.

Nobody cares, because I didn’t pop a bullet in kid I was stalking.

And thus the grossness of the wingnut behind Zimmerman: they only give a shit about his “heroism” because he shot someone, and the crosssections of wingnuttery are celebrating that because:

1. Guns are magic wands of moral certainty.
2. Black kids are suspicious.
3. Lone vigilantes are romantic. Cops following procedure are inefficient bureaucrats.
4. Liberals will side with the black kid, so the shooter must be doing something right.

162 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:18:53pm

re: #159 efuseakay

You know. If Trayvon was white, Zimmerman would have been found guilty and the you-know-who’s” would be calling to deport all Hispanics…

Without a doubt.
They would’ve made him an honorary member of a drug cartel.

163 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:19:14pm

Okay…don’t want to get drawn in by DF’s passive defense of Zimmerman(seriously, dude…if you spent 1/3 the effort looking for good in Trayvon as you have for his killer, you’d be well served), so I think I’ll just watch a movie.

Peace out, yo.

164 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:19:49pm

re: #163 darthstar

Okay…don’t want to get drawn in by DF’s passive defense of Zimmerman(seriously, dude…if you spent 1/3 the effort looking for good in Trayvon as you have for his killer, you’d be well served), so I think I’ll just watch a movie.

Peace out, yo.

I’m playing Minecraft. :)

165 Mattand  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:23:14pm

re: #161 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m a liberal that lives on a two-lane death trap.

I rescue people from cars twice a year, and have for basically fifteen years in a row.

Nobody cares, because I didn’t pop a bullet in kid I was stalking.

And thus the grossness of the wingnut behind Zimmerman: they only give a shit about his “heroism” because he shot someone, and the crosssections of wingnuttery are celebrating that because:

1. Guns are magic wands of moral certainty.
2. Black kids are suspicious.
3. Lone vigilantes are romantic. Cops following procedure are inefficient bureaucrats.
4. Liberals will side with the black kid, so the shooter must be doing something right.

LOL, do you live in lean-to on a highway median?

166 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:24:18pm

re: #158 Mattand

If true. IMO, RawStory reporting on a NY Daily News article is combining two forms of horseshit with a dash of crazy.

Well, there is evidence of the 2 third degree felonies and the restraining order by his former “fiancee” which were also mentioned. So, it’s not all “horseshit”. I expect he was drinking heavily back then since he went into an alcohol program and got those felonies dismissed. Assault on a cop is a pretty serious offense, and he obviously had help with those. Daddy?

167 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:24:35pm

re: #161 The Ghost of a Flea

Guns are magic wands of moral certainty.

extra updings for you in my imaginary universe where i live next to terry pratchett

168 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:29:45pm

re: #136 ProTARDISLiberal

I would use caution when judging different religions.. It is so easy to paint all members of a certain faith and try to use historical content when asking your million dollar questions ( or accusations per se ) You do it a lot.
If I so desired, I could completely trash the muslim faith and turn the table on you.. I could judge your faith by extracting historic examples. You don’t want that..Please turn down your judgements on others’ faith in God. It’s a really easy target that poisons the well..OK?
And just for the record..That wasn’t the million dollar question..
I’ll stop now..I think you need to get the fuck away from the home town and come back here to OU.

169 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:32:36pm

I came so close to un-friending an old co worker today for calling the protests bs.
Her hope was that the people in the car were black so people would stop calling him a racist.

Instead, I had a long conversation with her.
She apologized for her insensitivity, so I’m giving her another chance.

The point is, It’s just unbelievable to me how normally reasonable people have lost their shit over this stuff.

170 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:35:29pm

re: #165 Mattand

LOL, do you live in lean-to on a highway median?

I live on a country highway with a 35-degree turn that coincides with an elevation change that makes the curve blind. It’s posted as 35mph, it’s consistently taken at 50+mph by the people of the next town over.

Right after the curve is a 1/2 mile of straightaway, where people try to pass on a two-land while further accelerating.

Thankfully, my house is far back from the road, so I have yet to have damage to it. But I have lost three mailboxes, two brick posts, and a dog to the fact my neighbors won’t slow down or drive sanely. I mean, the road has been the same for nearly a century—it’s not like it changes position in the night. It’s just some weird form of Shirley Jackson’s “The Lottery” where everybody drives like a maniac, and periodically someone is sacrificed to the roadbed because that’s just how things roll.

171 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:35:46pm

re: #163 darthstar

Okay…don’t want to get drawn in by DF’s passive defense of Zimmerman(seriously, dude…if you spent 1/3 the effort looking for good in Trayvon as you have for his killer, you’d be well served), so I think I’ll just watch a movie.

Peace out, yo.

Passive defense? I sure as heck didn’t intend that. George Zimmerman has a seriously problematic hero complex and I remain worried about where it will end. I try to have him depicted as I think he is, but that’s just my own perfectionism at work. But unlike George Zimmerman, I know the pitfalls perfectionism can hold and I try to avoid them.

172 Lidane  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:36:57pm

More GOP outreach:

173 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:39:47pm

re: #169 OhNoZombies!

The point is, It’s just unbelievable to me how normally reasonable people have lost their shit over this stuff.

that’s why i was comparing it to the crises of the 1850s, above

the trial has become one of those unaccountable historical accidents that messes with everybody’s shit

174 Mattand  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:42:18pm

re: #170 The Ghost of a Flea

I live on a country highway with a 35-degree turn that coincides with an elevation change that makes the curve blind. It’s posted as 35mph, it’s consistently taken at 50+mph by the people of the next town over.

Right after the curve is a 1/2 of straightaway, where people try to pass on a two-land while further accelerating.

Thankfully, my house is far back from the road, so I have yet to have damage to it. But I have lost three mailboxes, two brick posts, and a dog to the fact my neighbors won’t slow down or drive sanely. I mean, the road has been the same for nearly a century—it’s not like it changes position in the night. It’s just some weird form of Shirley Jackson’s “The Lottery” where everybody drives like a maniac, and periodically someone is sacrificed to the roadbed because that’s just how things roll.

We’ve got a couple of those roads around here. The most notorious one actually got re-engineered to eliminate the kind of dangerous layout you’re describing.

It helped that the curve in question was in what passes for the middle of nowhere around here.

175 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:49:19pm

re: #172 Lidane

More GOP outreach:

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Classy. And the whole “your ideology is a mental disorder” thing is and always has been stupid.

176 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:55:47pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Classy. And the whole “your ideology is a mental disorder” thing is and always been stupid.

Not so long ago, I would have agreed, but I’ve seen too much on the Twitters lately…

177 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:00:05pm

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

OT, but wanted an opinion from fellow Lizards:

How long is an appropriate grace period a doctor should give you relative to your appointment time?

Earlier today I had a 2:45 appointment and was not seen until just over an HOUR later. Now this was my first visit to this particular doctor so I had to fill out all the paperwork that goes along with that, but I had all that done within 15 minutes of my arrival.

I think more than 15-20 minutes is pushing it. I didn’t leave the doctor’s office today until almost 5 PM. Thank goodness I work mornings or that would have been majorly inconvenient.

Monday appointments are problematic for most medical practices.

The appointment schedule tends to get backed up by those who had medical issues all weekend, and decide that they have to go to the doctor on Monday.

I never schedule an appointment on Mondays for that reason.

178 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:00:22pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Classy. And the whole “your ideology is a mental disorder” thing is and always has been stupid.

Also scary. The Soviets liked to institutionalize people who disagreed with their policy, but couldn’t be jailed or killed.

179 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:02:45pm

re: #176 OhNoZombies!

Not so long ago, I would have agreed, but I’ve seen too much on the Twitters lately…

Ha touche. I still think it’s dumb though to equate ideology in a vaccum to mental illness tho.

180 Jayleia  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:18:40am

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

In a way, yes. He wants to prove himself to the world.

He wants to be Walker, Texas Ranger or Rambo or something to fulfill some feelings of inadequacy. It’s a feeling that I’m not unfamiliar with myself.

Now, that slimy lawyer O’mara is talking about how awesome he is because he helped people out, Chris Rock sums up my feelings on that: “WHAT DO YOU WANT? A COOKIE?!”


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