President Obama Speaks at Knox College

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At the University of Central Missouri, President Obama discusses his vision for rebuilding an economy that puts the middle class and those fighting to join it front and center, which includes investing in education. UCM is home to The Missouri Innovation Campus, which prepares students with the education and skills they need to succeed at an accelerated pace while lowering costs and without student debt. July 24, 2013.

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1 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:50:07am

Doug Heye, Deputy Chief of Staff for Eric Cantor.

2 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:51:51am

re: #1 jaunte

Doug Heye, Deputy Chief of Staff for Eric Cantor.

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Because House Republicans want to help him so much. Gah.

3 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:53:10am
4 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:53:18am

DERP

5 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:53:21am

re: #1 jaunte

Doug Heye, Deputy Chief of Staff for Eric Cantor.

Maybe cuz House Teabags only want to repeal ACA and regulate abortion.

6 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:54:21am

By actually mentioning inequality, Obama will drive the right wing insane.

7 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:54:43am

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

This, still? What’s Inez got against single moms?

8 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:54:47am

The GOP is the problem, not the solution.

9 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:54:53am

re: #6 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

By actually mentioning inequality, Obama will drive the right wing insane.

Of course, acknowledging reality drives them insane. How dare he bring up facts that we don’t want to hear!

10 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:55:30am

re: #7 Bulworth

This, still? What’s Inez got against single moms?

She’s got to get her passive aggressive slut shaming in.

11 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:55:44am

re: #7 Bulworth

This, still? What’s Inez got against single moms?

It’s selective bullcrap as I said in the O’Reilly page. Does the right ever direct vitriol at Bristol Palin for being a single mother? No but they do it to their idea of the African American mother all the fucking time.

12 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:55:55am

re: #7 Bulworth

This, still? What’s Inez got against single moms?

SLUTZ!!11

13 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:56:16am

But, but, what about drones!?!?!

14 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:56:36am

“That’s what the Affordable Healthcare Acts means: No Lifetime Limits.”

15 darthstar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:56:58am
16 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:57:39am
17 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:57:53am

“Insurance companies will have to charge you the same rates as everybody else, even if you have a pre-existing condition; that’s what the Affordable Care Act does.”

18 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:58:02am

re: #13 Gus

If PBO won’t talk about his drone policy which is killing innocent children all over the world in every country every day then who cares about the ACA or the economy or abortion or gay rights or the environment or jobs. //

19 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:58:15am
20 piratedan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:58:18am

re: #1 jaunte

feel free to cite any times when you guys have been helpful about solving the nation’s problems Doug.. just go right ahead and cite all of that legislation that puts Americans to work and fixes our infrastructure…

21 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:58:31am

Right Wingers: The people who will bitch about a union worker’s salary but will cheer when a CEO has a bonus 100 times the median income.

22 darthstar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:58:48am

Fox News did retweet Fox Opinion about the President’s live speech…42 minutes ago (basically before it started)

23 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:59:34am

re: #17 jaunte

“Insurance companies will have to charge you the same rates as everybody else, even if you have a pre-existing condition; that’s what the Affordable Care Act does.”

And as someone with that, that’s why for all ACA’s flaws, I’m happy that it got passed and upheld. My heart condition which I had no control over shouldn’t be an excuse for an insurer to raise my premiums.

24 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:59:41am
25 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:00:09am

re: #22 darthstar

How mighty white of them….

26 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:00:45am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Right Wingers: The people who will bitch about a union worker’s salary but will cheer when a CEO has a bonus 100 times the median income.

THEY TOTALLY DESERVE IT!!11 THEY WORK SMARTER!!11!! IF THEY WEREN’T PAID WHAT THEY ARE WORTH THEY’D JUST GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!111!!!

DERPDERP

27 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:01:12am

re: #24 jaunte

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Gee isn’t ACA just terrible? And this is good for the economy too. People saving money means more contributing to our economy- that’s good.

28 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:01:17am

BULLSHIT

29 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:02:16am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

BULLSHIT

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Needs citation.

30 klys  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:02:40am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

BULLSHIT

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…really? For how long? How long ago? How many dependents were you supporting? How many jobs were you working? What city (SF or NY)? Was it federal minimum wage or was there a state increase that raised it past the federal level?

I know nuance is hard, but really…

31 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:03:00am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

Cool anecdote, sis.

32 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:03:12am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

BULLSHIT

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Right. By sleeping on somebody’s couch.

33 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:03:15am

Sly allusion to RoyalBaby!

34 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:04:04am

Costco shoutout.

35 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:04:29am
36 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:04:51am

re: #34 jaunte

Costco shoutout.

My feed is way behind yours….

37 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:05:06am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

Well to be fair, it was when the minimum wage paid more relative to average wages and it was during the Summer when Inez was living at home with her parents.////

38 calochortus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:05:58am

re: #35 Kragar

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Better idea: All female military
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39 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:05:58am

re: #37 Bulworth

Well to be fair, it was when the minimum wage paid more relative to average wages and it was during the Summer when Inez was living at home with her parents.////

It was the year that MLK voted Republican…//

40 klys  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:06:13am

re: #35 Kragar

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I have a better solution: guys keep it in their pants unless there is explicit and enthusiastic consent and don’t just assume that the other party is an object for their sexual gratification.

* I use guys because the majority of sexual assaults are done by men, but the concept remains the same for women as well.

41 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:06:19am

re: #34 jaunte

Costco shoutout.

Costco proves a business can be profitable and treat their workers well. essentially because of the latter, it’s the anti-Wal Mart. Really I don’t know why more business people don’t think like the Costco execs. It’s smart for a business to treat their workers well. Forget who said it but you want to have your employees be consumers of your product. It’s simply bad business to treat employees like crap. Good for your personal pockets I guess but bad business and there is a difference.

42 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:07:15am

Heh.

43 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:07:19am

Yeah why not? Because otherwise you’re just a idiot who posts derpshit on Twitter.

44 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:07:20am

re: #35 Kragar

Exactly, just like the Israeli military which has no womenz and no teh gays. Oh wait……

//

45 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:07:38am

re: #35 Kragar

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Yeah because gays and women are the ones doing the sexual assaults. Unless he’s implying what I think he’s implying that straight men can’t help themselves around gays and women and feel the need to sexually assault them which is sexist as fuck.

46 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:07:42am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Good for your personal pockets I guess but bad business and there is a difference.

Personal pockets are the driving force behind modern capitalism…

47 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:08:17am

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

“Derpshit” absolutely needs to be in the dictionary.

48 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:08:23am

BREATHTAKING BULLSHIT

49 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:08:35am

re: #44 Bulworth

Exactly, just like the Israeli military which has no womenz and no teh gays. Oh wait……

//

He wants the military to be more like Saudi Arabia’s. If I had a Twitter, I’d remind him of that and your point about Israel which he claims to support doing just fine allowing women and gays to serve.

50 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:08:37am

“It’s not enough to just oppose me, you’ve got to be for something.”

“Stop taking meaningless repeal votes, and share your concrete ideas with the country.”

51 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:09:23am

re: #50 jaunte

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“It’s not enough to just oppose me, you’ve got to be for something.”

“Stop taking meaningless repeal votes, and share your concrete ideas with the country.”

Republican response: President Obama is being mean to us and we need to repeal ACA.

52 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:09:47am

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

Yeah why not? Because otherwise you’re just a idiot who posts derpshit on Twitter.

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What city? What year? How many people were you supporting?

LIFE!

Great answer.
/

53 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:09:47am

re: #46 Sol Berdinowitz

Personal pockets are the driving force behind modern capitalism…

Which is why modern capitalism is nothing like Smith originally intended it.

54 klys  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:09:49am

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

BREATHTAKING BULLSHIT

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YOU QUESTIONED MY TOTALLY BULLSHIT ANECDOTE!!!1 IT’S CONFIRMED. FACT. HOW DARE YOU THINK I WAS A LEECH!!!!!1!!!

55 Carlos Danger  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:10:08am

According to this article, some asshole brought the Raccoon over to Europe as a pet.

Why hello there Fluff… AHHH MY FACE GET IT OFF

56 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:10:16am

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

So no American can ever receive food stamps or temporary assistance or unemployment or else they’re a leech? GodBlessAmerica

57 piratedan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:10:20am

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

she should write a book, sharing her secrets for getting off the dole….. or at least have a newsletter we can subscribe to….//

58 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:10:45am

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59 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:11:47am

I LET MY CHILDREN GO HUNGRY & UNTREATED WHEN THEY WERE SICK BECAUSE #PRIDE #IHAVEIT

60 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:12:04am

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

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Willingness to force people to suffer needlessly is nothing to be proud of.

61 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:12:04am

We should totally own the hashtags #Pride #IHaveIt

62 klys  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:12:09am

In an unrelated comment, VB, your olive pasta salad continues to be wonderful and has totally entered the standard dinner rotation. I just finished up last night’s leftovers for lunch and it was nomnomnom.

63 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:12:18am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

BULLSHIT

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Probably trust fund baby who worked for her weekly supply of ganga. She went to UVA Law School.

From FB page Other:
Koch Internship Program, GOProud, Hillsdale College Kirby Center, Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), AEI Education, American Enterprise Institute, Competitive Enterprise Institute, Liberty on the Rocks DC, Intellectual Takeout, DC Metro Area Young Republicans - DC VA MD, The Constitution by GO, The AHA Foundation, The United States Constitution, Can this Pigeon Get More Fans than John Maynard Keynes?, Ayn Randand 143 more

64 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:12:28am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

BULLSHIT

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She lived, alright.

In her parents’ basement.

Without contributing to the bills.

65 erik_t  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:12:29am

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

I get you want to show your Twitter Wars to everyone, and that’s cool. Can we at least all agree that you only need to post a clueless dipshit’s tweet once?

66 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:12:29am

Is the veteran who returns home from serving his country and uses the GI Bill to get his BA a leech?

The poor but honor student who uses student loans to pay for her college education a leech?

The poor mother who has fallen on hard times since her husband left her and goes on welfare temporary so her children won’t starve a leech?

We have people in this country who uses quite frankly language similar to some of the worst extremists in history when it comes to people who get help from the government.

67 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:12:42am

SHE’S STILL A TOTAL LOSER!

68 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:13:18am

I’m actually thinking about going to Cleveland soonish.

One half of my family (Mom’s Side) is in Pittsburgh, and the other side is in Michigan (with many in Detroit).

I have a Geography B.A, with GIS experience.

69 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:13:37am

re: #63 Justanotherhuman

That’s an awful lot of derp likes….

70 klys  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:13:39am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Is the veteran who returns home from serving his country and uses the GI to get his BA a leech?

The poor but honor student who uses student loans to pay for her college education a leech?

The poor mother who has fallen on hard times since her husband left her and goes on welfare temporary so her children won’t starve a leech?

We have people in this country who uses quite frankly language similar to some of the worst extremists in history when it comes to people who get help from the government.

Or hell, the student who receives a scholarship to a state university.

71 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:13:45am

Hell, I would not mind Detroit.

72 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:13:52am

re: #65 erik_t

I get you want to show your Twitter Wars to everyone, and that’s cool. Can we at least all agree that you only need to post a clueless dipshit’s tweet once?

duplicate derp deleted. sorry. :(

73 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:14:33am

STILL A FAILURE

74 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:14:37am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

SHE’S STILL A TOTAL LOSER!

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She’s a college student? So she still thinks she knows everything.

75 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:14:38am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

Nobody can live in DC area on that, by themselves. She must have married up.

76 calochortus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:15:01am

re: #70 klys

Or hell, the student who receives a scholarship to a state university.

The very existence of a state university.

77 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:15:01am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

SHE’S STILL A TOTAL LOSER!

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What’s she saying, she comes cheap to the Kochs and their ilk? Doing it for fun? Don’t believe her.

78 darthstar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:15:04am

I’d like to thank President Obama now for speaking all the way through Andrea Mitchell’s show…Good speech…longer than most, but this is all very good.

79 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:15:19am

re: #70 klys

Or hell, the student who receives a scholarship to a state university.

Yeah that too. Those examples were just what came to mind. Hell the GI Bill, something that people like Babuska’s “friend” would call “entitlement” if it were passed now is what built the modern American middle class. It’s why the country boomed in the immediate years after WWII.

80 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:15:26am

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

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Education:

University of Virginia School of Law - public research university
University of California, San Diego - a public university system in the U.S. state of California

She probably also has a lot of student loans.

81 piratedan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:16:27am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

that’s great that Hermione Alger over there was able to survive on minimum wage and that she considers her yearly salary of 15K a year fair and just compensation. This is not about coveting others money, it’s about fair and just wages for jobs performed.

82 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:16:37am

Feltscher dressed up for the Koch brothers: Image: 58104_10101711967565104_1226654361_n.jpg

83 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:17:10am

re: #80 Gus

There’s a good chance that a Koch funded anti-public school pr worker would lie about a lot of other stuff, too.

84 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:17:42am

re: #82 Justanotherhuman

That’s a little creepy.

85 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:17:43am

I’m now being lectured by brogressives on why I should support Justin Amash just for this one thing, otherwise I’m an Obamabot and just like the Taliban. Seriously.

86 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:18:00am

re: #81 piratedan

Now wait just a minute. This besmirching of the lovely name of Hermione I will not can stands…

//

87 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:18:01am

Washington-Baltimore DC-MD-VA-WV Apartment Rental Rates

For the last 10 years, the average rates for a 1 bedroom apartment in DC have been over $1000 a month. How did she afford it?

88 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:18:02am

re: #83 jaunte

There’s a good chance that a Koch funded anti-public school pr worker would lie about a lot of other stuff, too.

Research Assistant to History Professor
UC San Diego
Educational Institution; 10,001+ employees; Higher Education industry
September 2007 - December 2009 (2 years 4 months)

Government work!

89 Carlos Danger  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:18:20am

How about we end minimum wage. $3.50 an hour sounds fair. With all that money, you won’t even have time to tweet.

90 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:19:05am
91 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:19:12am

re: #83 jaunte

There’s a good chance that a Koch funded anti-public school pr worker would lie about a lot of other stuff, too.

Actually, the Kochs heavily funded my alma mater (a public uni)’s economics department heavily. I heard stories from of the few non libertarian economics majors about how professors would have tests where the student would have to argue why the Stimulus was bad. Not why or why not mind you but why was it bad only.

92 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:19:21am

“Drill, Baby, Keystone.”

93 piratedan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:19:24am

re: #86 Bulworth

just trying to find a companion to Horatio…. you think I should have gone with Hazel instead?

94 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:19:48am

Student loans! Mooch. //

95 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:20:05am

re: #90 Vicious Babushka

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Her argument? WHERE DID IT GO?!

96 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:20:16am

re: #84 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

That’s a little creepy.

You think that’s creepy? Check this out: facebook.com

97 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:20:29am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

SHE’S STILL A TOTAL LOSER!

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1100 a month, assuming 4 weeks a month at 40 hours a week, is $6.875 an hour. Current US minimum wage is $7.25 per hour.

Either she’s lazy, working a very well-paying part-time job, or she’s a liar.

98 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:20:30am

re: #93 piratedan

Just kidding. Hermione actually is pretty close to Horatio….

99 klys  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:20:39am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Yeah that too. Those examples were just what came to mind. Hell the GI Bill, something that people like Babuska’s “friend” would call “entitlement” if it were passed now is what built the modern American middle class. It’s why the country boomed in the immediate years after WWII.

I just find it interesting to see where they draw the line at calling someone a “leech”. They generally don’t consider going to a state university being a “leech” or the GI Bill stuff (although I agree that they wouldn’t be ok with passing it now). I think for most of them it tends to be based on the idea that there has been some form of effort or merit selection involved in handing out the money and not just an income threshold, because this somehow makes it ok.

For a group that consistently doesn’t believe in evolution, they are very pro-survival of the fittest only.

100 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:20:40am

There’s just no point in trying to talk to people who’ve swallowed the Greenwald Koolaid. They’re beyond the reach of logic.

101 erik_t  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:20:43am

re: #81 piratedan

that’s great that Hermione Alger over there was able to survive on minimum wage and that she considers her yearly salary of 15K a year fair and just compensation. This is not about coveting others money, it’s about fair and just wages for jobs performed.

Right. It’s the fundamental difference on these discussions. Republicans, to be charitable, think that nobody should go without their daily bowl of gruel. Democrats think that everyone should profit from their joint ventures.

Not get by.
They should profit.

The workers should actually do reasonably well for themselves, if their efforts are resulting in a strong, healthy, GDP-full employer. Get their 1.7 statistical cars and maybe a separate bedroom for each of their 2.5 statistical children, if the company and the economy are healthy. CEO Mittens will have to be content to only have a car elevator at his primary residence.

102 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:21:22am

re: #87 Kragar

Washington-Baltimore DC-MD-VA-WV Apartment Rental Rates

For the last 10 years, the average rates for a 1 bedroom apartment in DC have been over $1000 a month. How did she afford it?

It’s actually why even most of the people I know with better paying jobs in D.C actually live in Northern Va or the Maryland suburbs rather than D.C proper. And it’s coincidentally why I’ll be living in Arlington or Alexandria before I live in D.C.

103 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:21:23am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Actually, the Kochs heavily funded my alma mater (a public uni)’s economics department heavily. I heard stories from of the few non libertarian economics majors about how professors would have tests where the student would have to argue why the Stimulus was bad. Not why or why not mind you but why was it bad only.

The Saudis are heavy contributors to my alma mater, I found this out from reading the alumni magazine.

104 twisty  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:21:50am

re: #90 Vicious Babushka

Making min wage while you’re in college and pulling student loan $ w/parental help is exactly the same as being poor… //

105 GunstarGreen  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:22:20am

re: #104 twisty

Making min wage while you’re in college and pulling student loan $ w/parental help is exactly the same as being poor… //

WE HAD TO EAT TUNA FISH FOR GOD’S SAKE.

106 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:22:28am

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

The Saudis are heavy contributors to my alma mater, I found this out from reading the alumni magazine.

Agh.

107 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:23:29am

re: #105 GunstarGreen

WE HAD TO EAT TUNA FISH FOR GOD’S SAKE.

ON THE IRONING BOARD, B/C WE DIDN’T HAVE A TABLE!!11
But we cleared the dishes so the maid could do the ironing…

108 erik_t  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:24:16am

“Oh well I had daddy cosign for the student loans but I’m still responsible for them!” is the most incredible firstworldproblem whitesplanation I have ever seen on this Earth.

109 twisty  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:24:23am

re: #105 GunstarGreen

I ate ramen! I know poverty!

110 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:24:32am

Honestly, it’s just maddening to see a speech like this, advancing liberal causes proudly and with strength, and then see the professional left doing everything they can to sabotage and destroy Obama’s support, dancing like puppets to the tune of an extreme libertarian ideologue.

111 efuseakay  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:24:39am

re: #90 Vicious Babushka

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So she admits she’s a LEECH!!!

112 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:24:45am

re: #104 twisty

Making min wage while you’re in college and pulling student loan $ w/parental help is exactly the same as being poor… //

Yeah, her story pretty much falls apart. She seems to have done well for herself academically but her portrait of “I pulled myself through the bootstraps” crumbled pretty damn quickly. She’s got the typical Fuck you, I got mine mentality that you see from people like her. I mean look at Paul Ryan, wants to cut social security benefits but it was his old man’s social security benefits that he acknowledges helped pay his college education. And there are countless others. I don’t think most people want a total entitlement system but this “You need to go at it alone” system that the right fantasizes about is completely unfeasible and would lead to an ingrained American oligarchy.

113 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:25:44am
114 klys  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:26:02am

re: #90 Vicious Babushka

It’s one of those things where you look at the unrealized privilege inherent in that statement (she was only able to hold the law school ones herself because of the credit rating she had built up using the undergrad loans which her father had to co-sign for - and what happens if your family doesn’t have credit that will allow that?) and shake your head.

115 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:26:05am

Prudence sums it all up:

116 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:26:28am

From my favorite modern author:

6 Things Rich People Need to Stop Saying

117 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:26:56am

re: #115 Vicious Babushka

Farm subsidies? Corporate tax breaks? That’s different.

118 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:27:01am

DrMax still Derping at me, now with MOAR FAKE QUOTES.

119 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:27:42am

re: #116 Kragar

From my favorite modern author:

6 Things Rich People Need to Stop Saying

This was a good one by Cracked, one of their best non-humorous ones.

120 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:28:26am

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I’m now being lectured by brogressives on why I should support Justin Amash just for this one thing, otherwise I’m an Obamabot and just like the Taliban. Seriously.

The Amash bill sounds like a panty-load, but I’m glad to see both parties forced to re-look the Post-9/11 ‘Patriot’ laws. It will be the only good thing to come out of the Greenmold/Snowden saga, possibly worth it.

121 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:28:44am

Michigan County Clerk Sides With Same-Sex Couple Challenging Marriage Amendment

The Michigan county clerk named in a suit filed by a lesbian family seeking marriage and adoption rights has sided with the couple, arguing the state’s ban on same-sex marriage violates their equal protection under the law. Lisa Brown (D) was elected as Oakland County Clerk in November 2012, instantly involving her in the case, but she opted not to side with her co-defendants Gov. Rick Snyder (R) and Attorney General Bill Schuette (R). While they are defending the amendment preventing April DeBoer and Jayne Rowse from legally unifying as a family with their children, Brown argues the judge should rule that the ban violates the couple’s rights:

122 erik_t  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:29:51am

re: #115 Vicious Babushka

Prudence sums it all up:

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I hope Prudence’s happily-married mother paid her 50% of the mortgage out of her own checking account pile of non-FDIC-insured of cash under the mattress, since she was an adult and all.

123 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:29:56am

So, if Feltscher is a “poor student” is she also getting food stamps? Medicaid? Any other aid on her pathetic earnings?

If not, who’s paying for that stuff? You don’t live in DC on $1100/mo, working FT, (and that would be before taxes, too).

What a liar.

124 blueraven  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:30:07am

After major presidential economic speech
This is the cable “news” coverage:

Fox: Amanda Bynes
CNN: Royal Baby
MSNBC: Anthony Weiner

We are fucked.

125 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:30:53am

re: #123 Justanotherhuman

So, if Feltscher is a “poor student” is she also getting food stamps? Medicaid? Any other aid on her pathetic earnings?

If not, who’s paying for that stuff? You don’t live in DC on $1100/mo, working FT, (and that would be before taxes, too).

What a liar.

She is “proud” that she doesn’t take any government assistance!

So: she’s full of shit, basically.

126 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:31:54am

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

You think that’s creepy? Check this out: facebook.com

Some interesting photos of her if you click over to that section…

127 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:31:56am

re: #124 blueraven

After major presidential economic speech
This is the cable “news” coverage:

Fox: Amanda Bynes
CNN: Royal Baby
MSNBC: Anthony Weiner

We are fucked.

This is why we’re fucked.

128 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:32:18am

WHAT ABOUT BENGHAZI??!?????????????!!!

129 twisty  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:32:35am

re: #112 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing how many people love to posture like they were poor and climbed out all on their own, but then if you poke a little it turns out they weren’t ever what any reasonable person would call poor and had massive family help. Family connections getting jobs, family money paying for car, for college, for wedding, for house. There’s no shame in taking family help that is generously given. But to then turn around and scorn people who didn’t have help— or worse, had to support parents or siblings themselves instead of the other way around— is disgusting.

130 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:33:27am

Oh boy

Beck: America Was ‘Established For The Establishment Of Israel’

During his speech, Beck boldly declared that the United States was “established for the establishment of Israel,” meaning that the United States was established by God specifically for the purpose of re-establishing the nation of Israel.

And, as proof that our Founding Fathers were well aware of this, Beck pointed out that even our dollar bill contains a Star of David, as well as representations of the cloud and fire that led the Israelites while they wandered in the desert.

It’s not true, of course, but that is what happens when you get your history from people like David Barton:

131 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:33:50am

re: #129 twisty

It’s amazing how many people love to posture like they were poor and climbed out all on their own, but then if you poke a little it turns out they weren’t ever what any reasonable person would call poor and had massive family help. Family connections getting jobs, family money paying for car, for college, for wedding, for house. There’s no shame in taking family help that is generously given. But to then turn around and scorn people who didn’t have help— or worse, had to support parents or siblings themselves instead of the other way around— is disgusting.

I think that was the crux of what Obama was getting at when he made that speech that Romney tried to distort. We should be proud of our successes as individuals but we ought not to delude ourselves and think it was us alone that did that.

132 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:34:39am
133 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:35:33am

re: #130 Kragar

Oh boy

Beck: America Was ‘Established For The Establishment Of Israel’

I’d love to see the look on Beck’s face when someone tells him about the kibbutzes.

134 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:35:40am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

BULLSHIT

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totally true if you’re still in high school, living with your parents and only need money for fancy clothes and show, Inez….

135 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:37:21am

Quoting David Wong:

#1. “Stop Asking for Handouts! I Never Got Help from Anybody!”

You “never got help from anybody.”

Nothing was “handed to you.”

All right.

Let’s say you scratched and you clawed and climbed the ladder of success. You never took a welfare check or charity, you worked three jobs to get through college. And at the end of it you look back on your labors and feel justified in saying, “I never got help from anybody.”

So … you were never a child? From birth, you were hunting and gathering your own food? You never had a mother to “hand” you milk?

You’re completely self-educated? At age 4, you sought out your own knowledge, and paid teachers out of your own pocket?

I don’t think you did. I’d have seen something about it on the news.

I think your parents poured untold resources into your hungry mouth. I think you had a roof over your head that was paid for by other people, I think you went to schools that were built and staffed and paid for by other people, I think you felt safe because the streets were patrolled by other people, I think you drove to your three jobs on roads paved by other people, in a car built by other people and burning oil that was drilled by other people in a nation whose borders were defended by other people.

Look, I understand why “I ain’t asking for help from nobody!” individualism works as an attitude, or a philosophy. No, you shouldn’t wait for help to come along. I’ll even agree that we don’t impress that message hard enough on kids when they’re growing up. Kids, if you’re reading this, and you fucking shouldn’t be, but if you are, let me tell you now:

The world doesn’t give a shit about you, and you’ll have to wrestle it for every good thing you get. Hell, I’ve written an entire article about how grown-ups don’t tell us how freaking hard everything is, and how the shock of unexpected effort trips us up.

But, for the rich, this somehow gets extended to the absolutely delusional idea that they exist on a purely self-sufficient island, in an ocean full of shiftless layabouts always asking to borrow their stuff.

And you literally hear people express it this way — in libertarian circles they refer to it as “Going Galt” (as in John Galt, the hero of Atlas Shrugged) — fed up rich people just disconnecting from this annoying “society” thing that’s bleeding them dry. If you live in my part of the country, you’ll hear hard-working, rural farmer types say, “I got my own piece of land, I grow my own food, all I want is to be left alone.” All right, well tell me this, cowboy:

Let’s say some mean, even richer guy, like a wealthy gangsta rapper, hired a bunch of armed thugs to come take your farm. What would you do? Your shotgun won’t fend them off — they have a hundred bigger shotguns. What will you do, call the cops? That is, other people, who will risk their lives while being paid with still other people’s tax money, who will try these bad guys in a court funded by yet other people’s tax money, under laws passed by legislators paid with other people’s tax money? Whoa, slow down there, welfare queen!

136 erik_t  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:37:32am

re: #130 Kragar

Oh boy

Beck: America Was ‘Established For The Establishment Of Israel’

God’s methods are more strange and convoluted than a game of Twister.

If He can just go establishing countries all willy-nilly, why doesn’t He just, I dunno, establish Israel right from the start?

137 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:38:24am

re: #35 Kragar

Solution to sexual assault problem in military: no women, no homosexuals in uniform. Problem solved.
5:26 AM - 24 Jul 2013

Oh?
google.com

Ass.

138 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:38:46am

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

totally true if you’re still in high school, living with your parents and only need money for fancy clothes and show, Inez….

I see Inez has not yet learned the rule of Do Not Post Personal Stuff On Teh Internets so I am not going to embed or retweet any of her FB selfies or other stupid personal shit.

139 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:39:39am

re: #136 erik_t

God’s methods are more strange and convoluted than a game of Twister.

If He can just go establishing countries all willy-nilly, why doesn’t He just, I dunno, establish Israel right from the start?

and prevent you know that Holocaust and those pogroms. I am glad that the Jewish people have a state to call their own but Beck’s revisionism and also his Antisemitism really don’t help Israel at all and it would be nice if some of the Israelis who think Beck is their friend would realize that he’d stab them in the back if he felt it justified his agenda.

140 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:40:06am

re: #138 Vicious Babushka

I see Inez has not yet learned the rule of Do Not Post Personal Stuff On Teh Internets so I am not going to embed or retweet any of her FB selfies or other stupid personal shit.

She’s been too busy pulling herself up by her bootstraps….

141 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:41:09am

re: #140 Kragar

She’s been too busy pulling herself up by her bootstraps….

She’s probably a vanity Googler so she may visit us here at some point.

142 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:42:07am

re: #130 Kragar

Wow. That’s like bizarro anti-semitism. That’s “The Jews Rule America and I Love It!”

143 efuseakay  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:42:36am

re: #123 Justanotherhuman

So, if Feltscher is a “poor student” is she also getting food stamps? Medicaid? Any other aid on her pathetic earnings?

If not, who’s paying for that stuff? You don’t live in DC on $1100/mo, working FT, (and that would be before taxes, too).

What a liar.

Sugar daddy.

144 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:42:39am

re: #105 GunstarGreen

WE HAD TO EAT TUNA FISH FOR GOD’S SAKE.

ON AN IRONING BOARD!!!!11!!

145 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:43:18am

re: #142 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Wow. That’s like bizarro anti-semitism. That’s “The Jews Rule America and I Love It!”

It’s like the time that Limbaugh accused the Democrats of Anti-Semitism for wanting Wall Street reform because you know all Jews are Wall Street bankers.//

146 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:43:34am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

ON AN IRONING BOARD!!!!11!!

WE WERE SO POOR WE HAD TO EAT THE IRONING BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

147 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:43:46am

DERP
Detroit has a Mounted Police Unit.

148 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:43:53am

I just don’t get the resentment folks like this have towards those getting food stamps for a time or receiving assistance. What a sad, angry world this person lives in.

149 calochortus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:43:54am

re: #129 twisty

It’s amazing how many people love to posture like they were poor and climbed out all on their own, but then if you poke a little it turns out they weren’t ever what any reasonable person would call poor and had massive family help. Family connections getting jobs, family money paying for car, for college, for wedding, for house. There’s no shame in taking family help that is generously given. But to then turn around and scorn people who didn’t have help— or worse, had to support parents or siblings themselves instead of the other way around— is disgusting.

I chose my parents very carefully. Those who didn’t will just have to live with the consequences.
/

150 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:44:18am

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

Look who bought her the boots: Jarrett Stepman at Human Events: facebook.com

Who else buys her things? : )

151 Carlos Danger  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:44:34am

I didn’t know America controlled the British Mandate of Palestine.

152 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:44:38am

re: #129 twisty

It’s amazing how many people love to posture like they were poor and climbed out all on their own, but then if you poke a little it turns out they weren’t ever what any reasonable person would call poor and had massive family help. Family connections getting jobs, family money paying for car, for college, for wedding, for house. There’s no shame in taking family help that is generously given. But to then turn around and scorn people who didn’t have help— or worse, had to support parents or siblings themselves instead of the other way around— is disgusting.

I think it’s more hilarious when the rich elite try to talk about themselves as if they worked for every dollar they have. Take Mitt Romney for instance. He liked to talk about how “he made that,” but we all know that it was daddy’s money that got him into the best schools and paid his way through college. He and the wife didn’t have to buy their first house, it was pretty much given to them by his in-laws. His daddy’s name got him into the investment business. And it was his daddy’s name that made that same business trust him with a “small” start-up that was nothing more than an extension of the same company he already worked for. And let’s not fool ourselves, his daddy’s name probably helped him seal more than a few of those early deals.

153 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:44:48am

Why is 56K an unreasonable salary for someone with highly specialized skillset?

154 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:44:53am

re: #147 Vicious Babushka

Eliminate horseshoer and solve financial bankruptcy debt crisis!!!

155 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:45:40am

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

I like to make fun of wingnuts but posting personal stuff from their FB is not cool.

156 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:45:46am

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

Why is 56K an unreasonable salary for someone with highly specialized skillset?

Because horses…

157 chadu  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:45:58am

re: #102 HappyWarrior

It’s actually why even most of the people I know with better paying jobs in D.C actually live in Northern Va or the Maryland suburbs rather than D.C proper. And it’s coincidentally why I’ll be living in Arlington or Alexandria before I live in D.C.

I had a studio apartment in DC 12 years ago. It was $790/month when I moved out. Studios are going now for $1000 to $1200.

She’s a liar.

158 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:46:19am

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

Why is 56K an unreasonable salary for someone with highly specialized skillset?

Because any idiot can do it for minimum wage!! Damned unyons!!

159 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:46:41am

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

That’s more than most first year medical residents make.

160 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:46:44am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

I like to make fun of wingnuts but posting personal stuff from their FB is not cool.

There is a reason I don’t twit or facebook

161 chadu  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:46:46am

re: #138 Vicious Babushka

I see Inez has not yet learned the rule of Do Not Post Personal Stuff On Teh Internets so I am not going to embed or retweet any of her FB selfies or other stupid personal shit.

I can’t look at FB from work.

Shucks. ///

162 sagehen  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:47:38am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

BULLSHIT

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Yeah.

When I was 18, and totally healthy, and already had a reliable car paid off and 2 pair of glasses and good teeth and nice clothes that I’d acquired before going off on my own, and I had friends from before I got poor who had me over for dinner and gave me leftovers, and I was a cute girl who got asked out to restaurants and movies and concerts, and I didn’t have kids to take care of, and I already had marketable skills so I didn’t have to be on minimum wage for very long…

I was able to live pretty well on minimum wage too. Even put some money into savings.

163 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:48:23am

re: #159 The Mountain That Blogs

That’s more than most first year medical residents make.

THEY SHOULD WORK FOR RICE & GRUEL BECAUSE OBAMACARE!!11!!!!

164 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:48:30am

re: #152 Targetpractice

I think it’s more hilarious when the rich elite try to talk about themselves as if they worked for every dollar they have. Take Mitt Romney for instance. He liked to talk about how “he made that,” but we all know that it was daddy’s money that got him into the best schools and paid his way through college. He and the wife didn’t have to buy their first house, it was pretty much given to them by his in-laws. His daddy’s name got him into the investment business. And it was his daddy’s name that made that same business trust him with a “small” start-up that was nothing more than an extension of the same company he already worked for. And let’s not fool ourselves, his daddy’s name probably helped him seal more than a few of those early deals.

I’m still convinced that if he had been Willard Mitt Smith, he wouldn’t have been the multi-millionaire he is today. He’s not a stupid man but he had a lot of help getting to where he got. Obama’s life story is more about pulling yourself through the boostraps than Mitt’s. Romney’s father actually seems like he realized that he had help along the way to becoming a success. It’s probably why George Romney wasn’t a total toolbag like his son on economic issues.

165 calochortus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:48:40am

re: #156 Kragar

Because horses…

Sure, I’d be happy to try hammering nails into the hoof of a 1000 lb animal for minimum wage. Preferably without any medical coverage.

166 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:48:59am

re: #157 chadu

I had a studio apartment in DC 12 years ago. It was $790/month when I moved out. Studios are going now for $1000 to $1200.

She’s a liar.

Yikes.

167 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:49:26am

Banks received $814 million in incentives for mortgages that went back into default

One couple received a permanent HAMP modification and made all their payments on time, but still received a foreclosure notice:
“Each time we have contacted [our servicer] via the phone numbers they have given us. Each time the representative answering the phone has stated that we were delinquent; however, after stating that we have a loan modification agreement and we are actually current, they replied that the computer agrees with us; they stated that they will research the bank’s error; and that someone will get back in touch with us. [Our servicer] has never returned any of our numerous calls or answered our inquiries.”

Another family says they received a permanent HAMP modification but no one at the bank would tell them what their new monthly payment should be, in spite of efforts to get that information from the servicer. So the homeowners continued to pay what they had under the HAMP trial period. They say they received no notices of late or insufficient payments, but a few months later they were told the servicer considered their loan in redefault.

Then there’s the homeowner who received a permanent HAMP mod in 2010 and made all his payments for more than a year until the bank suddenly invoiced him for the monthly rate he’d been paying before the modification. When he contacted the bank, he was told it had no record of being approved for the modification, even though the homeowner had a signed, witnessed, and notarized document to the contrary. He is currently suing his servicer.

“Anecdotal evidence suggests that poor service by mortgage servicers contributes to homeowners redefaulting on HAMP permanent modifications,” reads the report. “Anecdotal evidence suggests servicers need more improvement.”

It’s like I said earlier. Banks are evil.

168 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:49:51am

re: #147 Vicious Babushka

DERP
Detroit has a Mounted Police Unit.

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They do have one.

Detroit Police Mounted Division

The Detroit Police Department’s Mounted Police Division, one of our country’s oldest, was established in 1893. At its peak, the Division had 5 barns, 80 officers and more than 60 horses. Today, DPD’s Mounted Police operate from one barn in Palmer Park and have 5 horses. They patrol 365 days a year, weather permitting. Look for DPD’s Mounted Police at all of Detroit’s major sporting, cultural, family events and parades. They also patrol Detroit’s neighborhoods, its universities, Midtown, Downtown, Eastern Market, major parks and shopping centers. Mounted Police demonstrations can be arranged by schools, churches and other organizations.

169 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:50:41am

re: #142 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Wow. That’s like bizarro anti-semitism. That’s “The Jews Rule America and I Love It!”

It seems to me like it a way of inserting the US into a theology that is wholly about Israel.

Like a thin layer of philo-semitism, but with a deeper core of supercessionist thinking that makes Israel the product of Christian action, for Christian ends.

170 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:50:49am

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

Why is 56K an unreasonable salary for someone with highly specialized skillset?

I don’t think it is at all either. The wingnut is assuming that just about anyone can shoe a horse. Well as someone whose family raised horses, I can tell you that it’s a specific skill set that one needs to go to a school for. It’s not like word processing. It’s an actual skill and shoeing your horses is very important.

171 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:50:49am
172 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:50:59am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

I wasn’t posting anything she didn’t post herself. It’s public, and she’s proud of it.

173 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:51:51am
174 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:52:13am
175 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:52:32am

re: #163 Vicious Babushka

Well, most of the financing for residency programs comes from Medicare, so I guess I’m already a leech. Shucks.

176 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:52:42am

re: #171 Gus

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Uh idiot, you were the one who called undocumented immigrants, drug mules. So by your own standard, you lost the debate the second you did that but please proceed Representative King, I’m eager your thoughts on all the important issues of the day.

177 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:52:56am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

I don’t think it is at all either. The wingnut is assuming that just about anyone can shoe a horse. Well as someone whose family raised horses, I can tell you that it’s a specific skill set that one needs to go to a school for. It’s not like word processing. It’s an actual skill and shoeing your horses is very important.

Yeah, but remember you’re talking to the Randian hordes, who have spent decades getting told by big business that any job these days can be done by an uneducated schlub. If it can’t, then it’s “obsolete” and keeping them employed is actually “wasting” money.

178 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:53:05am

re: #173 Gus

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Yeah but too bad they won’t throw him out of office like the pathetic pos he is.

179 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:53:20am

Steve King: ‘When People Start Calling You Names, That’s What Confirms You’ve Won The Debate’

Rep. Steve King (R-IA) continued to stand firm behind his remarks on undocumented immigrants acting as drug mules in an interview with Breitbart News Wednesday, arguing that the backlash against him suggests his anti-amnesty views are winning the ideological fight on immigration reform.

“You know when people attack you—in this business, when you’re in this business, you know that when people attack you, and they call you names, they’re diverting from the topic matter,” King told Breitbart. “You know they’ve lost the debate when they do that. We’ve talked about it for years. Tom Tancredo and I joked about it that that’s the pattern. When people start calling you names, that’s what confirms you’ve won the debate.”

So that means when he called undocumented immigrants dogs, they won the debate.

180 calochortus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:53:22am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

I don’t think it is at all either. The wingnut is assuming that just about anyone can shoe a horse. Well as someone whose family raised horses, I can tell you that it’s a specific skill set that one needs to go to a school for. It’s not like word processing. It’s an actual skill and shoeing your horses is very important.

I’d imagine it’s particularly important for animals working on pavement in a variety of conditions.

181 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:53:26am

re: #177 Targetpractice

Yeah, but remember you’re talking to the Randian hordes, who have spent decades getting told by big business that any job these days can be done by an uneducated schlub. If it can’t, then it’s “obsolete” and keeping them employed is actually “wasting” money.

True that.

182 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:54:41am

re: #180 calochortus

I’d imagine it’s particularly important for animals working on pavement in a variety of conditions.

Like in a city or something! But yeah it is. But on the subject of horses as a kid and the fact that it is my birthday, I can’t help but to think of my fourth birthday that we had at my grandmother’s where we all got to ride the horses that my grandmother kept.

183 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:54:51am

re: #173 Gus

But will they turn him out next election?

184 b.d.  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:54:55am

re: #147 Vicious Babushka

I thought the wingnut crowd wanted bayonets and horses?

185 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:54:56am

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

I wasn’t posting anything she didn’t post herself. It’s public, and she’s proud of it.

Most people’s FB stuff is totally public because they don’t know how to adjust the privacy settings.

I have to check my FB privacy settings like every freaking day because FB is always doing something or other to disable or reset the privacy.

I don’t think anyone deliberately wants all their FB stuff to be totally public but that is just the default.

186 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:55:15am

re: #174 Vicious Babushka

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We’re already seeing it in the immigration reform debates. One of the biggest items of contention after “amnesty” was the number of work visas for skilled workers. In another 10-20 years, we’re gonna be like much of the rest of 1st world, facing a brain drain as those countries that have been paying to train workers who leave home are going to start restricting emigration to build their own high-tech sectors.

187 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:56:12am

re: #179 Kragar

Tom Tancredo and I joked about it that that’s the pattern.

Steve King and Tom Tancredo. Yes, that’s quite the duo there. Swell guys. //

188 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:56:50am

re: #147 Vicious Babushka

From the comments:

BUBBASC
Aug. 20, 2012 at 9:42pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA your funny, Government jobs should get an 1/8 to a 1/4 what the same private sector job makes. These jobs should be for the public, not to get wealthy off.If you get PAID LESS as a public employee you will find a better job. Low pay would cut down on the amount of idiots the feds have working! Congress should go back to the way it was in the beginning and ONLY get PER DIEM, and only while in SESSION. Let’s only pay them while they are PHYSICALLY there and sitting in their chairs and along with everyone else. Say at least 90% attendance every working day of the members during the session time frame. If you are absent, there should be a VALID EXCUSE along with PROOF, This would make a very big difference in the size of the gooberment!

Yeah, because we wouldn’t want to attract the most qualified person for the job? Air traffic controller for 1/8 of the prevailing wage (of what? a non government air-traffic controller?)? Fucking idiots. Every. Last. One. Of. Them.

189 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:57:58am

re: #179 Kragar

So that means when he called undocumented immigrants dogs, they won the debate.

No, YOU LIES!! You just hate me I’m not politically corect!!!

190 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:58:53am

re: #183 Justanotherhuman

We have quite a few horses in this area and there is actually a guy who does horseshoes about 3 mi from me. He has a nice sign at the road because he has a long driveway. There is also a burro ranch not too far from here, also. I’m closer to the farm areas than the housing developments.

191 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:59:02am

re: #188 geoffm33

From the comments:

Yeah, because we wouldn’t want to attract the most qualified person for the job? Air traffic controller for 1/8 of the prevailing wage (of what? a non government air-traffic controller?)? Fucking idiots. Every. Last. One. Of. Them.

These are the people who are already bitching about how slow and inefficient the government is. How much better do they think it’s going to be when there’s nobody to work the jobs? What are they going to do, have illegals work at the DMV?

192 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:59:16am

Detroit Mounted Police

193 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:59:29am

re: #188 geoffm33

From the comments:

Yeah, because we wouldn’t want to attract the most qualified person for the job? Air traffic controller for 1/8 of the prevailing wage (of what? a non government air-traffic controller?)? Fucking idiots. Every. Last. One. Of. Them.

If you did that, you’d be creating a lot of poverty. It’s not only stupid, it’s going to increase dependency on the government by doing that. And if he had his idiotic way, we’d paying military members even less than we do now.

194 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:59:50am

Mounted Police Division — Detroit Public Safety Foundation

195 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:00:15pm

re: #171 Gus

So he lost as soon as he started calling people drug mules.

196 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:00:17pm

re: #188 geoffm33

From the comments:

Yeah, because we wouldn’t want to attract the most qualified person for the job? Air traffic controller for 1/8 of the prevailing wage (of what? a non government air-traffic controller?)? Fucking idiots. Every. Last. One. Of. Them.

I went back to look at the original article and the blacksmith doesn’t even get $56K/yr, it’s $29K + “$27K” in “benefits” (if total benefits are used).

That seems like shit pay.

197 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:01:13pm

re: #196 Vicious Babushka

I went back to look at the original article and the blacksmith doesn’t even get $56K/hr, it’s $29K + “$27K” in “benefits” (if total benefits are used).

That seems like shit pay.

It is shit pay.

198 calochortus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:01:13pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Like in a city or something! But yeah it is. But on the subject of horses as a kid and the fact that it is my birthday, I can’t help but to think of my fourth birthday that we had at my grandmother’s where we all got to ride the horses that my grandmother kept.

Happy Birthday :-)

I had a horse for a few years in my early teens. I used to watch the farrier shoe the horses at the place we kept said horse. Definitely a physically demanding and skilled job.

199 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:01:16pm

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

Why is 56K an unreasonable salary for someone with highly specialized skillset?

Because it’s too low.

200 jaunte  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:01:30pm

I guess if the mounted policeman has to shoe his own horse, it limits the employee pool too much.

201 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:01:37pm

re: #196 Vicious Babushka

I went back to look at the original article and the blacksmith doesn’t even get $56K/hr, it’s $29K + “$27K” in “benefits” (if total benefits are used).

That seems like shit pay.

I saw the same thing. Who includes benefits when describing a persons salary. Oh yeah, someone trying to fit a narrative.

202 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:01:47pm

re: #196 Vicious Babushka

I went back to look at the original article and the blacksmith doesn’t even get $56K/hr, it’s $29K + “$27K” in “benefits” (if total benefits are used).

That seems like shit pay.

When they have to roll “benefits” into the equation to argue that somebody is “overpaid,” then they’ve lost the argument.

203 calochortus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:02:22pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

It is shit pay.

Maybe it’s not full time?

204 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:03:02pm

Would the “benefits” be part of the pension plan they’re in the process of fucking people out of?

205 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:03:20pm

re: #203 calochortus

Maybe it’s not full time?

Yeah, you’re right. True.

206 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:03:42pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

When they have to roll “benefits” into the equation to argue that somebody is “overpaid,” then they’ve lost the argument.

“Benefits” includes stuff like medical (in case of being kicked by a horse), holiday pay, days off, vision and dental. Which if you’re only making $29K, you TOTALLY NEED.

207 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:03:51pm

re: #204 Kragar

Would the “benefits” be part of the pension plan they’re in the process of fucking people out of?

No doubt. And once the pension’s been fraked beyond belief, health benefits will be next. After all, they’re “overpaid,” they can afford to buy their own insurance, so sayth the Randians.

208 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:04:33pm

re: #206 Vicious Babushka

“Benefits” includes stuff like medical (in case of being kicked by a horse), holiday pay, days off, vision and dental. Which if you’re only making $29K, you TOTALLY NEED.

And which, in the minds of the Randians, counts as “pay” because it’s “coming out of their pockets.”

209 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:05:01pm

OFFS
Because this address was planned MONTHS IN ADVANCE you freaking idiot

210 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:05:15pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

It is shit pay.

No, it’s hoof pay!

211 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:05:38pm

re: #200 jaunte

I guess if the mounted policeman has to shoe his own horse, it limits the employee pool too much.

2012

Daniel Edwards, a construction contracts manager with the DWSD, said the employee was transferred from the Detroit Police Department five years ago. The police department has horses, though the DWSD horseshoer no longer works with animals.

“DWSD has a blacksmith shop in our Central Services Facility,” Edwards said. The shop “also … repairs equipment and works with various metals and welding for the department when needed.” The horseshoer now works at the Central Services Facility.

Derp.

212 b.d.  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:05:41pm

re: #203 calochortus

Maybe it’s not full time?

EDIT _ Replied to wrong comment, sorry

Nevermind.

213 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:05:59pm

Is this really such a hard concept to grasp? Because nobody seems to want to look at it.

214 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:07:43pm
215 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:08:07pm


That’s right, the CIA has snipers all over Moscow waiting for Snowden to walk down the street.

//Idiots

216 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:08:16pm

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Help, help, I’m being repressed!

217 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:09:00pm

For anyone in the New England area (especially RI):

218 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:11:46pm

re: #140 Kragar

She’s been too busy pulling herself up by her bootstraps….

lots of black leather bootstraps from the looks of her pictures…

219 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:13:34pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

lots of black leather bootstraps from the looks of her pictures…

You can buy a lot of high quality leather goods on minimum wage.

220 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:15:53pm

Said horseshoer was transferred from the “Detroit Police Department five years ago” to the DWSD where he now works in the blacksmith shop at the Central Services Facility where he “repairs equipment and works with various metals and welding for the department when needed.”

Meanwhile Detroit emergency city manager, Kevyn Orr, is getting a salary of $275K/year.

221 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:16:09pm

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

Why is 56K an unreasonable salary for someone with highly specialized skillset?

union thugs…

222 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:17:43pm

re: #219 Kragar

You can buy a lot of high quality leather goods on minimum wage.

And then eat the horse.

223 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:21:51pm
224 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:22:16pm

“Alabama Public Service Commission kicked off a meeting on power rates last week with a prayer against gay marriage & reproductive rights.”

225 Gus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:22:50pm
226 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:22:58pm

re: #165 calochortus

Sure, I’d be happy to try hammering nails into the hoof of a 1000 lb animal for minimum wage. Preferably without any medical coverage.

I have a friend who is a blacksmith and the only horseshoe guy in the region. I remember back in the late 90s when he got kicked in the knee. No insurance. It wasn’t pretty.
He’s anxiously waiting for the insurance exchanges to start up (which won’t be too long now here in Kentucky).

227 b.d.  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:24:24pm

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]


That’s right, the CIA has snipers all over Moscow waiting for Snowden to walk down the street. (For his own security, of course)

//Idiots

That’s right! The kindly Russians are going to keep him under house arrest privately be a great host to Eddie.

228 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:25:59pm

re: #224 Gus

“Alabama Public Service Commission kicked off a meeting on power rates last week with a prayer against gay marriage & reproductive rights.”

Oh Susanna, I won’t be going to Alabama with a banjo on my knee or any part of me.

229 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:27:51pm

re: #224 Gus

“Alabama Public Service Commission kicked off a meeting on power rates last week with a prayer against gay marriage & reproductive rights.”

OFFS

230 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:28:47pm

re: #225 Gus

[Embedded content]

Maybe God will build them a free power plant or something if they pray hard enough to end gay marriage.

231 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:30:22pm

re: #230 Ian G.

Maybe God will build them a free power plant or something if they pray hard enough to end gay marriage.

Will God answer their prayers?

Nope, they’re still living in Alabama.

232 calochortus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:31:13pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have a friend who is a blacksmith and the only horseshoe guy in the region. I remember back in the late 90s when he got kicked in the knee. No insurance. It wasn’t pretty.
He’s anxiously waiting for the insurance exchanges to start up (which won’t be too long now here in Kentucky).

I got kicked just above the knee by my horse-talk about being hit by a pile-driver. Fortunately it was above the knee and caused no immediate damage, but I did have nasty arthritis in the knee decades later which resulted in a replacement of said knee.

233 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:32:05pm

re: #179 Kragar

Steve King: ‘When People Start Calling You Names, That’s What Confirms You’ve Won The Debate’

So that means when he called undocumented immigrants dogs, they won the debate.

hmmm…Sarah Payme said the same thing recently to Mark Begich. She tries to channel Margaret Thatcher…looks like Steve King is trying the same thing.

234 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:32:41pm

Yay Christopher the Lion, congrats on the big 2-0! Here’s the king of our local zoo, our kids just love him:

235 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:33:40pm

I’m late to the Inez Feltcher thing, but I thought I might have something to contribute.

Back in 1979-1980, I lived on $325/month. That works out to a little less than $1100/month in today’s money.

I was a grad student at Cornell. My parents paid my car loan. I got health insurance through the school, which came in handy when I got a nasty case of bronchitis. My parents also paid for repairs whenever my car needed them, which was a lot, since I’d bought a 14 year-old MG.

My landlord was understanding about the rent being late sometimes. Not all landlords are.

I learned how long it took for each grocery store to clear its checks through my bank, and I guess I was actually kiting checks, since when I wrote them there was nothing in the account, though it was there when the check got to the bank.

The thing is, when you’re a student, you have the safety net of Mom and Dad to fall back on. You don’t have to show up for work every day and put in 8 hours of hard work. And you’re in school with the expectation of making a hell of a lot more when you get out, not hoping to be promoted to fry cook so you can get another $0.25/hour. You can take on debt when you need to, because you have the expectation of being easily able to pay it back in a few years.

Righties love to say that minimum wage jobs are for students and that adults should get ‘real’ jobs. Meanwhile, they do everything they can to ensure that there are fewer and fewer ‘real’ jobs, and fight to get rid of minimum wage so that employers don’t even have to pay that pittance.

236 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:33:48pm

re: #231 Kragar

Will God answer their prayers?

Hey, God finally answered Rick Perry’s very public pray-the-drought-away stunt by sending rain to Texas. Oh sure, it was a year and billions in crop losses late, but remember, the Lord works in mysterious ways. Checkmate, atheists!

237 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:36:50pm

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]


That’s right, the CIA has snipers all over Moscow waiting for Snowden to walk down the street.

//Idiots

more likely Snowden needs to be wary of those sneaky Russian umbrella points…

238 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:37:31pm

Oh, and NO WAY would I say that experience was the same as having to work at a minimum wage job.

239 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:38:01pm

Man, this looks like it could be pretty intense

Youtube Video

240 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:39:18pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

more likely Snowden needs to be wary of those sneaky Russian umbrella points…

I know. Kill Snowden and the US looks like a Big Meanie, and you learn more about the NSA’s capabilities. It’s win-win for Putin.

241 calochortus  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:41:04pm

BBL.

242 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:43:10pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

more likely Snowden needs to be wary of those sneaky Russian umbrella points…

Or polonium in his earl grey.

243 blueraven  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:43:29pm

re: #236 Ian G.

Hey, God finally answered Rick Perry’s very public pray-the-drought-away stunt by sending rain to Texas. Oh sure, it was a year and billions in crop losses late, but remember, the Lord works in mysterious ways. Checkmate, atheists!

The drought in TX is far from over. Not yet pointyboots. On your knees!

Drought in TX

244 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:44:10pm

re: #235 GeneJockey

Sorry to break it to you, but there are no more “25 cent” raises these days. You’re lucky to get 10 cents after your 90 day “probationary” period.

When I went to comm collegel FT in 1972-74, w/2 teenagers, I worked about 4 hrs a day at the school, rented a house and rented out one of the rooms to another student, got $100/mo child support, food stamps and Medicaid for the kids. I did that for almost 2 yrs. College wasn’t even in my future in 1958—that was something kids from more affluent families did. One of my sons got a PT job at Arby’s when he was old enough to get hired. It wasn’t just a “sacrifice” for me, it was one for my kids, too. I wasn’t able to go on to a 4 yr school, but it still gave me more confidence.

245 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:44:14pm

Peterson: Barack and ‘Angry Black Female’ Michelle Obama Trying ‘To Take Power Away From the White Man’

As one of the key figures in the Black American Leadership Alliance, which staged the March for Jobs, Peterson has emerged as one of the nativists’ favorite critics of immigration reform.

In a speech to the conspiratorial, anti-Semitic John Birch Society last year, Peterson expanded on his claims that President Obama is racist and demonic, charging that “Barack Obama hates white Americans” and represents “evil.”

He also took issue with First Lady Michelle Obama: “We have an angry black female in control and if you want to know what an angry black female can do to you, go to the Post Office.”

Later, Peterson claimed the president “wants to take power away from the white man and give it to people who [want] handouts, with socialism mentalities.”

He encouraged the John Birch Society members to push back against Obama’s black “mission” against white people by acting like parents who sometimes have to punish rebellious children: “if you don’t stand up to your kids they will take over your household and they’ll put you out if you allow them to have their way.”

246 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:46:16pm

re: #242 Ian G.

Or polonium in his earl grey.

“Computer, when I said, ‘Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.’, I meant the temperature, not radioactive.”

247 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:47:41pm

Issa: ‘ZERO #jobs Have Been Created From Obama’s Speeches’

Number of Jobs bills in congress since ACA: 0

Number of attempts to repeal ACA: 39+

248 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:48:26pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still getting ppl claiming that Snowden’s smart for outsmarting the US by sitting in in-transit in Moscow for a month.

This isn’t over, and Snowden may still see justice meted out in US courts.

After all, Whitey Bulger avoided the authorities for decades. Was that smart? He’s going to spend the rest of his life in prison. Not so smart.

Snowden had a half-assed escape plan, and he’s scrambling to find alternatives (which involve working with the Russians who are no friends of civil or human rights, and whose interest in free speech is limited to finding out all it can about American national security secrets).

Clever? Perhaps. But not smart.

249 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:50:13pm

re: #244 Justanotherhuman

Sorry to break it to you, but there are no more “25 cent” raises these days. You’re lucky to get 10 cents after your 90 day “probationary” period.

When I went to comm collegel FT in 1972-74, w/2 teenagers, I worked about 4 hrs a day at the school, rented a house and rented out one of the rooms to another student, got $100/mo child support, food stamps and Medicaid for the kids. I did that for almost 2 yrs. College wasn’t even in my future in 1958—that was something kids from more affluent families did. One of my sons got a PT job at Arby’s when he was old enough to get hired. It wasn’t just a “sacrifice” for me, it was one for my kids, too. I wasn’t able to go on to a 4 yr school, but it still gave me more confidence.

The $0.25 was, I admit, pulled out of the air. The last time I worked for minimum wage was in 1975, as a busboy at Elby’s Big Boy in Gettysburg.

250 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:51:34pm

re: #245 Kragar

Later, Peterson claimed the president “wants to take power away from the white man and give it to people who [want] handouts, with socialism mentalities.”

I just wish all wingnuts were this honest with us. White people deserve disproportionate power because all minorities are moochers and socialists, and (implicitly) all white people are industrious and successful and benefit not a lick from government spending.

251 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:52:17pm

re: #224 Gus

“Alabama Public Service Commission kicked off a meeting on power rates last week with a prayer against gay marriage & reproductive rights.”

After asking attendees if they believed in the power of prayer, Jordan concluded his prayer by lamenting, “We’ve taken you out of our schools; we’ve taken you out of our prayers; we’ve murdered your children; we’ve said it’s OK to have same-sex marriage, God. We have sinned.”

252 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:54:19pm

re: #245 Kragar

In a speech to the conspiratorial, anti-Semitic John Birch Society last year, Peterson

Seriously? Does he not know who these folks are? And what they once opposed?

253 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:54:34pm

Ladies and gentlemen, my Senator:

254 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:56:51pm

re: #245 Kragar

He also took issue with First Lady Michelle Obama: “We have an angry black female in control and if you want to know what an angry black female can do to you, go to the Post Office.”

Again, with the Michelle Obama Derangement bit. What, what has she done wrong? She’s talked about health. What is her crime against humanity that conservative wingnut critics must rail against her?

Oh wait, I’m liberal and it’s making me upset. I forgot that’s the only aim of wingnut politics.

255 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:57:19pm

re: #244 Justanotherhuman

Agreed.

In 2008 I started a retail job at $8.16/hr, by the time I left earlier this year I had been through 5 annual performance evals and my pay rate was $9.30/hr. That means I was getting a raise of approximately 0.23/year.

At my current job, my last raise was a whopping 0.14. The largest non-promotion related wage increase I ever got was about $2/hr. That resulted when the company did a survey of all the employees to find out how to boost productivity and lower turnover. The #1 response: More pay. Funny how that works. I do miss my $12.85/hr, but I’m happy to be working full time in a relatively stable job with decent insurance at this point.

256 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:57:53pm

re: #249 GeneJockey

Yeah, I think I was getting 25 cents/hr raises as a secy back in the 70s. But I know about the 10 cents, because that’s what I got in a “retirement” job 10 yrs ago, and it’s what my g-son was “rewarded” with last year. Even if you can do everything in a store, if you don’t go for “mgmt”, which doesn’t pay a lot more, you are stuck. But the mgrs put in pretty long hours, and are on salary, which isn’t a great career move money-wise. Per hour, they don’t make much more than the hourly workers.

A lot of minimum wage type workers are not only getting shafted on pay, but in hours, too, as you probably have read, since retail is cutting people down to below 30 hrs per week.

257 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:58:29pm

I have finished series 6.

I also have one of those fancy volcano heat suits ready for the flaming.

258 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:59:17pm

” if you want to know what an angry black female can do to you, go to the Post Office.”

How about you just fill me in on this one, asshole? Please illuminate us.

259 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:59:24pm

I realize there was a lot of liberal anger at President George W. Bush and a lot of pretty unhinged stuff was said over his two terms. But I can’t recall a single liberal blog that ever commented on Laura Bush in any way other than neutral or positive.

260 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:00:41pm

re: #259 Bulworth

I realize there was a lot of liberal anger at President George W. Bush and a lot of pretty unhinged stuff was said over his two terms. But I can’t recall a single liberal blog that ever commented on Laura Bush in any way other than neutral or positive.

We’re kind of biased towards librarians—y’know, books an’ all.

261 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:01:43pm

Highly doubtful Charles.

262 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:02:08pm

re: #256 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, I think I was getting 25 cents/hr raises as a secy back in the 70s. But I know about the 10 cents, because that’s what I got in a “retirement” job 10 yrs ago, and it’s what my g-son was “rewarded” with last year. Even if you can do everything in a store, if you don’t go for “mgmt”, which doesn’t pay a lot more, you are stuck. But the mgrs put in pretty long hours, and are on salary, which isn’t a great career move money-wise. Per hour, they don’t make much more than the hourly workers.

A lot of minimum wage type workers are not only getting shafted on pay, but in hours, too, as you probably have read, since retail is cutting people down to below 30 hrs per week.

Like that’s something new or different. I’ve lost count of the people I’ve known who worked minimum wage for 39 hours every paycheck, because their boss capped them there to avoid providing benefits. Most of those who I’ve talked to that say they’re now being cut down to below 30 hours also say that their bosses expect to make up the difference by hiring more part-timers.

I never checked, did that McDonald’s faux “budget” indicate pay under the new “less than 30” scheme businesses are adopting or did it actually assume an employee did a full 40 hours?

264 b.d.  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:02:31pm
CNN Homepage: President Obama is nominating Caroline Kennedy to be U.S. ambassador to Japan, a source tells CNN’s Jessica Yellin.
265 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:02:55pm

re: #264 b.d.

Awesome. Cue the wingnut outrage. Because.

266 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:03:55pm

re: #264 b.d.

Is he doing that to troll the RWNJs too?

267 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:03:57pm

re: #258 Kragar

” if you want to know what an angry black female can do to you, go to the Post Office.”

How about you just fill me in on this one, asshole? Please illuminate us.

I think he means deliver a letter anywhere in the United States in 2-3 days for $0.44. Or maybe deliver >100 watches to me over the last 3 years, all in excellent shape, within 3 days of shipping, from all over the US.

I invariably find postal workers to be helpful, friendly, and polite. Maybe he’s just paying the Asshole Tax.

268 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:04:02pm

re: #259 Bulworth

I realize there was a lot of liberal anger at President George W. Bush and a lot of pretty unhinged stuff was said over his two terms. But I can’t recall a single liberal blog that ever commented on Laura Bush in any way other than neutral or positive.

Most I ever remember being tossed Laura’s way was the rumor-mongering that had begun during the ‘00 election about her “getting away with murder.” Never really bought into it and I don’t remember anybody seriously thinking it amounted to much more than gossip column fodder.

269 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:05:34pm

Pennsylvania County Begins Offering Same-Sex Marriage Licenses Despite State Ban

Alicia Terrizzi and Loreen Bloodgood obtained a marriage license and were wed a short time thereafter Wednesday in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, despite a state law banning same-sex marriage. The County’s Registry of Wills, Bruce Hanes, had been contacted by another couple earlier in the week about the possibility, and after consulting with his solicitor, Michael Clarke, decided that issuing same-sex licenses was the proper way to honor his oath to uphold the Pennsylvania constitution:

Based upon the advice of Mr. Clarke, my own analysis of the law and mindful of the Attorney General’s belief that Pennsylvania’s marriage laws are unconstitutional, I decided to come down on the right side of history and the law…

When I took the oath of office 19 months ago, I swore to uphold the U.S. and the Pennsylvania Constitutions. Article 1 Section 1 of the Pennsylvania Constitution, aptly entitled “Inherent rights of mankind,” says “all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which is “pursuing their own happiness.”

Article 1, Section 26 of the Constitution says, “Neither the Commonwealth nor any political subdivision thereof shall deny to any person the enjoyment of any civil right, nor discriminate against any person in the exercise of any civil right.”

Furthermore, Article 1 Section 28 says, “Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania because of the sex of the individual.”

270 palomino  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:05:46pm

re: #259 Bulworth

I realize there was a lot of liberal anger at President George W. Bush and a lot of pretty unhinged stuff was said over his two terms. But I can’t recall a single liberal blog that ever commented on Laura Bush in any way other than neutral or positive.

There certainly was less hatred directed at Laura Bush. Maybe in part because she kept a lower profile in general. But there was virtually no hateful talk regarding her looks, as with Michelle. Likewise, hardly anyone was suggesting that Laura Bush was a racist or that she hated America or that she was promoting a radical agenda. (Is encouraging people to eat healthy food really any more “radical” than encouraging people to read, as Mrs Bush did?)

271 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:05:55pm

re: #263 wrenchwench

Kucherena confirmed Snowden was staying somewhere in the many corridors and rooms of the transit area between the runway and passport control - an area Russia considers neutral territory - and that he had learned the Russian for “Hi”, “Bye-bye” and “I’ll ring you.”

OK he’s been there how long and that’s the only Russian he’s managed to learn?

272 Carlos Dangler  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:07:28pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I’m now being lectured by brogressives on why I should support Justin Amash just for this one thing, otherwise I’m an Obamabot and just like the Taliban. Seriously.

“Brogresssives”? You coin that?

273 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:08:07pm

re: #270 palomino

There certainly was less hatred directed at Laura Bush. Maybe in part because she kept a lower profile in general. But there was virtually no hateful talk regarding her looks, as with Michelle. Likewise, hardly anyone was suggesting that Laura Bush was a racist or that she hated America or that she was promoting a radical agenda. (Is encouraging people to eat healthy really any more “radical” than encouraging people to read, as Mrs Bush did?)

Cripes, if Michelle Obama tried encouraging people to read, she’d be pilloried for implying Americans are stupid, and if she DARED TO suggest any PARTICULAR books, they’d be decried as Socialist screeds.

274 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:09:03pm

re: #271 Internet Tough Guy

OK he’s been there how long and that’s the only Russian he’s managed to learn?

He’s working on his Russian GED.

275 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:10:44pm
276 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:13:07pm

re: #267 GeneJockey

Maybe he’s just paying the Asshole Tax.

And I realize the asshole tax can be rather stiff, but then, hey, stop being a farging icehole.

277 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:13:31pm

re: #275 lawhawk

278 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:13:48pm

I’m starting a new job on Monday. Happy happy happy.

I’m on my 3rd to last day of the “giving notice period”

I’m DYING. Talk about being mentally out of here.

279 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:13:52pm

I am bitter today. I need a nice relaxing drive home.

280 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:14:13pm

re: #275 lawhawk

What’s Boener complaining about now?

281 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:14:29pm

re: #270 palomino

There certainly was less hatred directed at Laura Bush. Maybe in part because she kept a lower profile in general. But there was virtually no hateful talk regarding her looks, as with Michelle. Likewise, hardly anyone was suggesting that Laura Bush was a racist or that she hated America or that she was promoting a radical agenda. (Is encouraging people to eat healthy food really any more “radical” than encouraging people to read, as Mrs Bush did?)

It is also worth noting that BDS was mainly about the misdeeds of the Bush administration (real or perceived).

ODS turns that around, and is essentially a derangement about Obama as a person. The perceived misdeeds of the Obama administration are really secondary issues.

282 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:14:34pm

re: #275 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Latest headlines: GOP “Conservatives” threatening government shutdown over Obamacare, swear will not vote for debt ceiling increase unless all funding for its implementation is cut as part of deal.

The White House’s response so far has been to tell the “conservatives” to go pound sand.

283 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:15:04pm

Missouri Lawmaker: Abortions To Save A Mother’s Life Are ‘A Matter Of Convenience’

Nieves made the remark in a comment thread for a picture of a gun that he had uploaded to his Facebook. A commenter found the photo distasteful, prompting Nieves to ask him if he was similarly offended by “partial-birth abortions,” referring to abortions done in the third trimester of pregnancy (although the term itself refers to a specific abortion procedure and not all late-term abortions). When the commenter argued that most women undergo late term abortions to avoid potentially deadly health complications, Nieves responded with this:

Image: nieves-abortion.png

284 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:16:52pm

re: #278 Stanley Sea

I’m starting a new job on Monday. Happy happy happy.

I’m on my 3rd to last day of the “giving notice period”

I’m DYING. Talk about being mentally out of here.

Congrats! My last day here is in 2 weeks then I’m moving. I got a transfer at work to Nashville so I won’t be out of work when I get there.

285 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:16:59pm

Last night we spoke of Zimmerman stopping to help people in a crash.
He sure caught a lot of grief over helping someone. I told a story about how many in that situation don’t want to help and thank God some good souls do help. Since then I’ve seen 2 stories on the news.. One involved the cops dragging a man from a burning car and this..A rookie NFL player helping a family in a wreck. God Bless those hero’s.
espn.go.com

286 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:17:56pm

re: #278 Stanley Sea

I’m starting a new job on Monday. Happy happy happy.

I’m on my 3rd to last day of the “giving notice period”

I’m DYING. Talk about being mentally out of here.

Work like a bear to the end. Don’t let them tell themselves they’re glad you’re going.

287 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:17:58pm

re: #283 Kragar

Nieves made the remark in a comment thread for a picture of a gun that he had uploaded to his Facebook.

Because you can’t say prolife without lots of gun pictures. //

288 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:19:03pm

Small government promoter Rick Perry sends Texas $2.6 million bill for promotional travel

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) likes to talk tough about his small government credentials, but the numbers he’s been racking up lately tell a different tale: according to The Houston Chronicle, the arch conservative’s out-of-state security detail has cost Texas taxpayers a whopping $2.6 million since he was reelected in 2010.

All that money has gone to pay for Perry’s security details as he tours the country trying to poach jobs from other states, and from his ill-fated bid for the Republican nomination to the presidency, according to data released by the Texas Department of Public Safety (TXDPS).

The Chronicle noted that the bulk of Perry’s travel security costs, a full $1.8 million, went to his TXDPS detail during the presidential run. Accounting for his food, lodging and other travel-related costs, NBC News reported last May that Perry’s campaign travel cost Texas taxpayers some $3.6 million in total — nearly twice as much as Perry’s predecessor, George W. Bush, spent on travel during his presidential campaign.

289 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:20:37pm

re: #280 Bulworth

The President’s speeches haven’t created jobs.

290 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:20:56pm

re: #288 Kragar

Small government promoter Rick Perry sends Texas $2.6 million bill for promotional travel

But…Obama…Africa…WHITE HOUSE TOURS!!!

291 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:21:22pm

re: #289 lawhawk

The President’s speeches haven’t created jobs.

Neither has the sequester.

292 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:21:23pm

re: #286 Decatur Deb

Work like a bear to the end. Don’t let them tell themselves they’re glad you’re going.

OK OK. Chin up and all that.

293 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:22:30pm

re: #288 Kragar

Small government promoter Rick Perry sends Texas $2.6 million bill for promotional travel

Was this for the ‘Move your Company To Texas’ tour, for which Lewis Black so eloquently ripped Texas a new asshole?

294 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:23:19pm

That awkward moment when you think you’re alone in an office and are singing along to a pop song and then you realize your buddy has been watching you for the last few minutes.

295 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:23:31pm

re: #291 Targetpractice

Neither has the sequester.

THAT’S ONLY BECAUSE WE DIDN’T CUT SPENDING ENOUGH!!!!!

296 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:23:39pm

re: #293 GeneJockey

Was this for the ‘Move your Company To Texas’ tour, for which Lewis Black so eloquently ripped Texas a new asshole?

Looks like 2/3 of it was the triumphant presidential campaign.

297 chadu  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:24:16pm

re: #281 EPR-radar

It is also worth noting that BDS was mainly about the misdeeds of the Bush administration (real or perceived).

ODS turns that around, and is essentially a derangement about Obama as a person. The perceived misdeeds of the Obama administration are really secondary issues.

All the updings!

298 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:24:20pm

re: #296 Decatur Deb

Looks like 2/3 of it was the triumphant presidential campaign.

That crashed and burned before it ever truly began.

299 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:24:29pm

re: #296 Decatur Deb

Looks like 2/3 of it was the triumphant presidential campaign.

Why 2.6 million?

Perry couldn’t count to 3.

300 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:25:07pm

re: #294 Kragar

That awkward moment when you think you’re alone in an office and are singing along to a pop song and then you realize your buddy has been watching you for the last few minutes.

And then realizing they’ve uploaded the video of all that to youtube….

301 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:25:50pm

re: #278 Stanley Sea

I’m starting a new job on Monday. Happy happy happy.

I’m on my 3rd to last day of the “giving notice period”

I’m DYING. Talk about being mentally out of here.

If you want me out then I’m on my way,
and I’m feeling, feeling, feeling this way,
You’re halfway in, but don’t take too long,
cause I’m halfway gone, I’m halfway gone.

302 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:26:17pm

re: #300 lawhawk

And then realizing they’ve uploaded the video of all that to youtube….

Nope, secured building. No wifi, cell phones or cameras allowed on the premises.

303 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:26:31pm

re: #294 Kragar

That awkward moment when you think you’re alone in an office and are singing along to a pop song and then you realize your buddy has been watching you for the last few minutes.

I had a similar experience when I was singing “I’m too sexy” while cleaning the kitchen the other day.

304 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:26:37pm
305 erik_t  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:26:51pm

re: #302 Kragar

Nope, secured building. No wifi, cell phones or cameras allowed on the premises.

Sounds like a good excuse to not be wearing pants.

306 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:27:12pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

That crashed and burned before it ever truly began.

Hell, he was REAL popular, right up till he started talking. Honestly, watching that was kinda like watching Major Kong riding the nuke down!

307 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:27:14pm

re: #302 Kragar

Nope, secured building. No wifi, cell phones or cameras allowed on the premises.

Thank God for small favors.

308 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:27:38pm

re: #305 erik_t

Sounds like a good excuse to not be wearing pants.

Only did that when I was working nights.

309 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:29:03pm

Oh shit…

310 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:29:11pm

re: #306 GeneJockey

Hell, he was REAL popular, right up till he started talking. Honestly, watching that was kinda like watching Major Kong riding the nuke down!

I still don’t really understand why this happened. My best guess is that Perry’s moment of humanity on immigration is what really did him in, and his other issues provided cover for the xenophobia of the GOP base.

311 geoffm33  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:29:48pm

re: #308 Kragar

Only did that when I was working nights.

Today is the first time in the 5 years I’ve been here that I am not wearing pants at work. Went with shorts instead. Baby steps.

312 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:30:03pm

re: #310 EPR-radar

I still don’t really understand why this happened. My best guess is that Perry’s moment of humanity on immigration is what really did him in, and his other issues provided cover for the xenophobia of the GOP base.

That press conference he did while stoned might have been a factor.

314 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:30:51pm

re: #310 EPR-radar

I still don’t really understand why this happened. My best guess is that Perry’s moment of humanity on immigration is what really did him in, and his other issues provided cover for the xenophobia of the GOP base.

That sounds about right, the moment he started making sense on immigration, the wheels became coming off. The wingnuts then began hammering him hard on any possible flaws.

315 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:31:15pm

re: #310 EPR-radar

That and these presidential campaign things do actually kind of take some organization and planning and stuff like that, which Romney had been doing for several years and Perry just sort of wandered into the thing.

316 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:31:15pm

re: #305 erik_t

Sounds like a good excuse to not be wearing pants.

I took part in a telecon this morning at 7:00. Friggin’ Europeans don’t want to stay up till lat in the evening to make it more convenient for me here in CA. So I got back at them by doing the whole thing in my pajamas.

Worst part was, I didn’t need to be on it. I coulda slept another half hour.

317 Kragar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:34:03pm

re: #316 GeneJockey

Worst part was, I didn’t need to be on it. I coulda slept another half hour.

Don’t you just love those calls?

“We need a representative on the call to answer questions.”
“We really don’t.”
an hour later
“So how did the call go?”
“I was on mute the whole time.”
“Well done!”

318 steve_davis  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:34:35pm

re: #37 Bulworth

Well to be fair, it was when the minimum wage paid more relative to average wages and it was during the Summer when Inez was living at home with her parents.////

I have a nephew interning in Washington at the moment. Sleeping on someone’s sofa, in a sleeping bag, with enough room to keep a crate of books, costs him 600 dollars a month. There is no way in hell this chick has ever lived in a major city, on minimum wage.

319 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:35:16pm

re: #313 Interesting Times

They are trying to make The Waters of Mars a reality.

320 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:35:37pm

re: #310 EPR-radar

I still don’t really understand why this happened. My best guess is that Perry’s moment of humanity on immigration is what really did him in, and his other issues provided cover for the xenophobia of the GOP base.

Because, like Fred Thompson, he was more appealing as an idea than as an actual person. IIRC, each of their poll numbers peaked around the time they announced, then dropped over the next month. By the time of ‘Education, Commerce, and … uh…”, he was already down with everyone else.

Perry’s problem is that he’s obviously an idiot. All he has to do is speak, and it becomes clear. Mind you, the immigration thing didn’t help, since it gave Mitt a chance to run to his right.

321 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:37:07pm

re: #309 NJDhockeyfan

322 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:40:54pm

re: #248 lawhawk

Still getting ppl claiming that Snowden’s smart for outsmarting the US by sitting in in-transit in Moscow for a month.

This isn’t over, and Snowden may still see justice meted out in US courts.

After all, Whitey Bulger avoided the authorities for decades. Was that smart? He’s going to spend the rest of his life in prison. Not so smart.

Snowden had a half-assed escape plan, and he’s scrambling to find alternatives (which involve working with the Russians who are no friends of civil or human rights, and whose interest in free speech is limited to finding out all it can about American national security secrets).

Clever? Perhaps. But not smart.

clever? nope. Not smart? yes. Self-important eejit tool? definitely.

323 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:41:41pm

re: #320 GeneJockey

Because, like Fred Thompson, he was more appealing as an idea than as an actual person. IIRC, each of their poll numbers peaked around the time they announced, then dropped over the next month. By the time of ‘Education, Commerce, and … uh…”, he was already down with everyone else.

Perry’s problem is that he’s obviously an idiot. All he has to do is speak, and it becomes clear. Mind you, the immigration thing didn’t help, since it gave Mitt a chance to run to his right.

I think the right kind of idiocy could have been a net vote winner in a GOP primary in 2012, and is likely to be the wining strategy in the 2016 GOP primary.

Even though there are plenty of GOP voters who aren’t fans of open idiocy, they may be outnumbered by idiots in the GOP primary, and are likely to fall in line in the general out of tribal loyalty.

324 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:44:57pm

re: #249 GeneJockey

The $0.25 was, I admit, pulled out of the air. The last time I worked for minimum wage was in 1975, as a busboy at Elby’s Big Boy in Gettysburg.

Last time I worked for minimum wage, it was for 30 cents an hour as a dishwasher in 1966. The next year I got a 10 cent raise to be a waitress.
Every cent of my paycheck in middle school and high school went to my mom to help with household expenses, her being a single mom breadwinner of six kids working days as a waitress and nights as a bartender, and all while my “father” was chasing skirts and drinking up his paycheck all over the city….

325 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:47:07pm

re: #323 EPR-radar

I think the right kind of idiocy could have been a net vote winner in a GOP primary in 2012, and is likely to be the wining strategy in the 2016 GOP primary.

Even though there are plenty of GOP voters who aren’t fans of open idiocy, they may be outnumbered by idiots in the GOP primary, and are likely to fall in line in the general out of tribal loyalty.

I think you’re conflating idiocy and insanity.
//
Seriously, it’s one thing to be a glib, articulate but proudly ignorant nutcase, and another to be an inarticulate, feckless boob. That’s the difference between, say, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry. The Right doesn’t care if you don’t really know anything, but you need to be able to at least give a bullshit answer to questions.

326 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:47:33pm

re: #219 Kragar

You can buy a lot of high quality leather goods on minimum wage.

It doesn’t matter where the money went
It wasn’t how she paid rent

- Wallflowers “Three Marlenas”

327 Carlos Dangler  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:48:44pm

re: #294 Kragar

That awkward moment when you think you’re alone in an office and are singing along to a pop song and then you realize your buddy has been watching you for the last few minutes.

Awkward….

328 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:48:45pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

That is the most polite way I have ever heard someone describe a man as having cojones for brains…

329 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 2:08:00pm

re: #296 Decatur Deb

Looks like 2/3 of it was the triumphant presidential campaign.

And he couldn’t remember what the other 1/3 was for.


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