Glenn Beck’s Disturbing Nazi Memorabilia Exhibit in Salt Lake City

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Lacking any deference to professional standards of display, Beck’s exhibition offered no connection between these items and the early Americana nearby. From a museological perspective, the show was brazenly dilettante. Known to be a fringe demagogue, Beck has often drawn parallels between Nazi history and contemporary American politics, acts which have brought him much criticism — and parody. The exhibition at the Grand America, however, represented a departure from Beck’s usual rhetoric.

To start, I can’t help wondering what prompted Beck to collect such macabre objects and include them among his personal belongings. What are the virtues of owning Göring’s love letters, Hitler’s signature or a few drops of his blood?

Surely, harboring such items adheres to a personality cult and suggests a sympathizer rather than a critic. The very presence of these objects begs the question: How does this material survive?

More than 70 years old, most of the detritus of Germany’s Nationalsozialisten was destroyed after the war and continue to be banned to this day. The survival of such “memorabilia” can only be achieved with help from Nazi sympathizers wishing to pass on the torch.

The proximity of the bloody handkerchief with Anne Frank’s diary was deeply offensive, and insensitive to Salt Lake City’s Jewish community. Among them are Holocaust survivors and their descendants, including myself, who found this profoundly distasteful.

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220 comments
1 Skip Intro  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:00:11pm

Anybody have a copy of Beck’s book jacket where he’s dressed as a pseudo Nazi?

2 Skip Intro  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:05:23pm
3 Carlos Dangler  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:05:40pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

Anybody have a copy of Beck’s book jacket where he’s dressed as a Nazi?

Image: Arguing_with_Idiots.jpg

Beck tried to pass that cover shot off as him being in a East German/Soviet-style uniform, but I thought that explanation was dubious as best.

4 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:11:06pm

Oy Vey here we go again with Glenn Beck and his skewed view of America.

5 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:11:51pm

re: #3 Carlos Dangler

Image: File:Arguing_with_Idiots.jpg

Beck tried to pass that cover shot off as him being in a East German/Soviet-style uniform, but I thought that explanation was dubious as best.

Link did not work.

6 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:15:05pm

To add insult to injury, the ‘American’ room of Beck’s exhibition mostly featured item from the personal collection of dishonest revisionist ‘historian’ David Barton.

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7 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:15:39pm

What we have here is a philosophical oddity. She’s anti Godwin…

…. Beck has often drawn parallels between Nazi history and contemporary American politics, acts which have brought him much criticism — and parody.

Then she Godwins…

Surely, harboring such items adheres to a personality cult and suggests a sympathizer rather than a critic.

Which raises the interesting question: If you Godwin a Godwin do they cancel each other out in some sort of phase disruption of do they amplify each other exponentially? Perhaps this is the mystical force that keeps the circle of derp spinning.

8 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:15:45pm
9 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:20:34pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel

Yes. That is the cover.

10 blueraven  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:20:36pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

What we have here is a philosophical oddity. She anti Godwin…

Then she Godwins…

Which raises the interesting question: If you Godwin a Godwin do they cancel each other out in some sort of phase disruption of do they amplify each other exponentially? Perhaps this is the mystical force that keeps the circle of derp spinning.

All I know is that collecting Nazi shit is creepy as hell and anyone that does so is suspect.

11 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:20:38pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel

Arguing with idiots

Well, he wore the feldgrau (Field Gray, a dark gray chosen by the German army as the optimal solid color for campaigning for northern Europe) but the photo has no symbols on the peaked cap. So i’m going to say the photo was simply unwise, and not actually pro-Nazi.

12 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:20:53pm

re: #2 Skip Intro

Never mind. What’s with Glenn Beck’s fascination with Nazis?

That article was much too kind to Beck.

13 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:21:10pm

Collecting Nazi memorabilia is a ghoulish activity.

14 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:23:13pm

re: #10 blueraven

All I know is that collecting Nazi shit is creepy as hell and anyone that does so is suspect.

Mobster “Whitey” Bulger owned several Nazi-era MP-40s.

Image: Whitey2-300x164.jpg

15 blueraven  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:23:36pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Mobster “Whitey” Bulger owned several Nazi-era MP-40s.

Image: Whitey2-300x164.jpg

There ya go.

16 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:23:54pm

Unless of course if your grandpa fought in WWII and it’s passed down.

17 Carlos Dangler  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:25:44pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Link did not work.

Fixed…apparently, Wikipedia doesn’t care for hotlinking now, as least with the link I had.

18 Internet Tough Guy  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:25:52pm
The adjoining room contained objects from Glenn Beck’s personal collection. This included a hooded KKK cape and a swastika banner which had been used at Nuremberg. Underneath was an illuminated vitrine containing a copy of Mein Kampf signed by Adolf Hitler, a stack of love letters by Hermann Göring, and a satin handkerchief browned with Hitler’s blood. Nearby was an early edition of Anne Frank’s Diary.

Totally not anti-Semitic.

19 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:26:10pm

re: #13 Amory Blaine

Collecting Nazi memorabilia is a ghoulish activity.

If its specific to the Nazi party and not to the military, I entirely agree. If the person has things from the Army or SS, then it depends in large part on the person but might be ghoulish. Navy or Luftwaffe is almost always simply an interest in militaria, and is not inappropriate.

20 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:26:24pm

re: #16 Amory Blaine

My dad was in SHAEF HQ in WWII. He came home with a Luger. He sold it to a collector many years later.

21 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:27:57pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Well, he wore the feldgrau (Field Gray, a dark gray chosen by the German army as the optimal solid color for campaigning for northern Europe) but the photo has no symbols on the peaked cap. So i’m going to say the photo was simply unwise, and not actually pro-Nazi.

Still, an odd choice of dress for someone who was packing his nose with Bolivian marching powder at an age when he might have been serving in the military.

22 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:31:43pm

re: #10 blueraven

All I know is that collecting Nazi shit is creepy as hell and anyone that does so is suspect.

Hanlon’s razor but in Beck’s case it’s not so much stupidity but capitalism. Like Alex Jones or Art Bell, this is how he makes a living. I’m not at all shocked or surprised he put on a stupid revisionist history exhibit, this is what he does.

23 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:32:24pm

re: #21 Justanotherhuman

Still, an odd choice of dress for someone who was packing his nose with Bolivian marching powder at an age when he might have been serving in the military.

Yes clearly, but one thing Glenn Beck can never be accused of is normality.


Neither can I, though,

24 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:35:09pm

Too busy fleecing rubes to do anything so socialistic like serving the country.

25 Carlos Dangler  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:37:26pm

re: #10 blueraven

All I know is that collecting Nazi shit is creepy as hell and anyone that does so is suspect.

It depends on why someone’s collecting or displaying it; intent separates those who collects/displays stuff like what’s in this “exhibit” purely for the historical significance (like museums and many collectors) and those who collect/display it to use them as totems or political props (like Beck).

26 blueraven  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:37:49pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Hanlon’s razor but in Beck’s case it’s not so much stupidity but capitalism. Like Alex Jones or Art Bell, this is how he makes a living. I’m not at all shocked or surprised he put on a stupid revisionist history exhibit, this is what he does.

Nice try.

27 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:38:41pm

I’m not surprised his idea of a historical display amounts to a series of fetish objects with no concern for context, framing, or the creation of a sense of holism in the exhibit. His approach to all of history is about fetishism, and framing certain individuals and concepts in mystical, numinous light.

Hence a bundle of objects that don’t communicate a complete sense of time/place, but are the relics of famous individuals that become mythic (by which I mean, fictionalized).

Then again, all of his “events” incorporate a hefty amount of carnival barking and grifting, so “The Man in the Moon” having a sideshow of historical curiousities is very apt.

28 Carlos Dangler  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:38:41pm

re: #21 Justanotherhuman

Still, an odd choice of dress for someone who was packing his nose with Bolivian marching powder at an age when he might have been serving in the military.

Hey, when you’re busy shock-jocking to the masses, you gotta keep the motor running!

///

29 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:39:19pm

The only nazi memorabilia that is acceptable is that captured at gun point from the German owner and even then only acceptable within the family that captured it or in a museum.

I remember when I was driving OTR and invested in XM Radio and CNN started broadcasting this fool. I stopped watching or listening or caring about CNN at that time and have never went back. BBC, Al Jazeera, or whatever else instead as CNN was no better than F(ake)ox News to me after that.

Nancy Grace was almost as disgusting and just as big a reason to knock the dust off my sandals and leave CNN behind.

30 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:39:39pm

Well, I certainly would not want to own a KKK cape.

Having something like that would make me believe in spirits. Like the evil ones that touched it.

31 Carlos Dangler  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:42:35pm

re: #30 Stanley Sea

Well, I certainly would not want to own a KKK cape.

Having something like that would make me believe in spirits. Like the evil ones that touched it.

I’m all in favor of those who wore the KKK getup ending up like the assholes in Porky’s 2.

Just sayin’…

32 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:47:04pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Mobster “Whitey” Bulger owned several Nazi-era MP-40s.

Image: Whitey2-300x164.jpg

Can’t blame him for that. One of the best second generation SMGs.

33 Gus  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:47:21pm

I thought I’d see actual pics.

34 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:48:08pm

“Glenn, the Nazis are everywhere. And you’re not safe! So here’s what you do and take it from me, my people have been through this before: First, you’ve gotta find an attic. Then hide there for the next three years, and whatever you do, don’t make a sound. We’ll let you know when it’s safe to come out.”

—Lewis Black

35 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:49:08pm

The comment section of the SL Tribune was surprisingly free of pro-Beck derp. But it was small.

36 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:49:51pm

A little perspective:

Right now, I am building a model of the Junkers G-38, a fascinating and extremely advanced aircraft that had the misfortune to come along at the same time as the Great Depression. Only two were built but they served until well into the Nazi era (one crashed in 1936, the other was destroyed by allied aircraft in 1941). The kit for this model is made by Revell-Germany. The decal sheet, for aircraft D-APIS of Lufthansa, comes without the swastikas these aircraft carried after 1934. It just has blank circles where the swastikas would be. This is because it is illegal to print or market swastika imagery in Germany. Doing so for the sake of historical authenticity, as in movie making, has an exemption, but Revell prefers not to risk offense for a trivial detail. I respect their decision, but I will also be putting little swastikas on the model. That is what it really looked like, whether we like it or not.

An RWNJ who happened to be in my house actually did question why I had so many models of Soviet aircraft, including one that bore the slogan “For Great Stalin!” That is what it really looked like, it is part of history. He seemed skeptical that this did not make me a commie sympathizer. He didn’t question the German and Finnish models with swastikas. He wasn’t invited back.

That is one thing, but collecting Hitler’s autograph or his bloody handkerchief is something else entirely. They are authentic items from history, of course, but that is not their appeal. Their appeal is their connection with the person of the subject. I agree with the writer that these are talismans, icons; appropriate to a personality cult. They serve no useful educational or artistic purpose but they do tell us about the collector.

37 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:54:22pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel

A little perspective:

Right now, I am building a model of the Junkers G-38, a fascinating and extremely advanced aircraft that had the misfortune to come along at the same time as the Great Depression. Only two were built but they served until well into the Nazi era (one crashed in 1936, the other was destroyed by allied aircraft in 1941). The kit for this model is made by Revell-Germany. The decal sheet, for aircraft D-APIS of Lufthansa, comes without the swastikas these aircraft carried after 1934. It just has blank circles where the swastikas would be. This is because it is illegal to print or market swastika imagery in Germany. Doing so for the sake of historical authenticity, as in movie making, has an exemption, but Revell prefers not to risk offense for a trivial detail. I respect their decision, but I will also be putting little swastikas on the model. That is what it really looked like, whether we like it or not.

An RWNJ who happened to be in my house actually did question why I had so many models of Soviet aircraft, including one that bore the slogan “For Great Stalin!” That is what it really looked like, it is part of history. He seemed skeptical that this did not make me a commie sympathizer. He didn’t question the German and Finnish models with swastikas. He wasn’t invited back.

That is one thing, but collecting Hitler’s autograph or his bloody handkerchief is something else entirely. They are authentic items from history, of course, but that is not their appeal. Their appeal is their connection with the person of the subject. I agree with the writer that these are talismans, icons; appropriate to a personality cult. They serve no useful educational or artistic purpose but they do tell us about the collector.

By a perverse accident of preservation, most models and the best restoration of the Fw-190 are painted to represent the one that killed my dad.

Image: fw190_bindseil.jpg

38 Gus  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 7:58:20pm

Dandelionbrz and jleedev added you to list jleedev/monograms

39 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:01:32pm

This is the weirdest article that I have ever read.

The guy is totally not paralyzed, and his crawl was performance art.

40 Gus  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:04:32pm

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

This is the weirdest article that I have ever read.

The guy is totally not paralyzed, and his crawl was performance art.

I put my radar to medium now. He was hospitalized for that motorcycle accident. But if it doesn’t match? Do the court docs say “car accident” or “motorcycle accident?”

41 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:07:31pm

Sorry, but I would like to show these comments from the previous page:

#17

re: #16 Gus

If you want to get really irritated, look at this.

A December 2003 NASA report expressed the belief that a manned mission to Callisto may be possible in the 2040s.[57]

This country needs to cut the military bloat, and transfer it to NASA if we had the money, think what we could do.

and #18

re: #17 ProTARDISLiberal

Also, if your really wanted to go Balls to the Wall, you could invite various Nations to help participate monetarily and scientifically within NASA in exchange for seats on various missions.

Canada is a good start. Then pull in Turkey and Mexico. Many members of the EU are unhappy with the Franco-German direction. Pull them in as well.

42 Gus  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:10:22pm

Who in the hell would let a man crawl across a tarmac. And watch.

43 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:13:13pm

re: #42 Gus

Who in the hell would let a man crawl across a tarmac. And watch.

That’s what I thought. A bit outrageous.

44 Gus  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:17:04pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

That’s what I thought. A bit outrageous.

I wouldn’t have put up with it. One still must, wonder.

45 AntonSirius  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:17:40pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

What we have here is a philosophical oddity. She’s anti Godwin…

Then she Godwins…

Which raises the interesting question: If you Godwin a Godwin do they cancel each other out in some sort of phase disruption of do they amplify each other exponentially? Perhaps this is the mystical force that keeps the circle of derp spinning.

You don’t actually know what Godwin’s Law is, do you?

Or do you not understand what an analogy is?

46 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:18:43pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

By a perverse accident of preservation, most models and the best restoration of the Fw-190 are painted to represent the one that killed my dad.

Image: fw190_bindseil.jpg

Wurgers, ‘Butcher Birds’ is what the Luftwaffe called the FW-190. It’s radial engine gave it a much better ability to take damage than the Bf-109 and the Germans made great use of this capability. FW-190 could impose devastating losses on unescorted B-17s.

47 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:21:26pm

As an aside, the sole flying B-17E along with a B-24 Liberator and a P-51D Mustang were at the Chicago Executive Jetport in Wheeling, IL today. My family passed them on our way to lunch. We’d have stopped in to see them later, but by the time we got back the B-17 and P-51 had left and the B-24 was revving its engines for its takeoff roll.

48 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:24:16pm

re: #40 Gus

I put my radar to medium now. He was hospitalized for that motorcycle accident. But if it doesn’t match? Do the court docs say “car accident” or “motorcycle accident?”

People can be disabled and require a wheelchair at the airport (for example ME) and yet still walk short distances like to their seat on the aircraft.

If this guy just had surgery then maybe he could not walk AT THAT TIME and if that was the case, the flight attendants or the wheelchair pushers should have carried him.

49 Gus  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:25:22pm
50 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:25:40pm

Hey DF can I bring up some stuff you said from a previous thread in this one? I do not want to necro like that guts just could not make sense of what you had said no matter how I tried so would you be okay if I brought it up?

51 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:26:03pm

Fake Quote Alert

52 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:31:43pm

re: #50 jamesfirecat

Hey DF can I bring up some stuff you said from a previous thread in this one? I do not want to necro like that guts just could not make sense of what you had said no matter how I tried so would you be okay if I brought it up?

You can ask me.

53 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:31:49pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

As an aside, the sole flying B-17E along with a B-24 Liberator and a P-51D Mustang were at the Chicago Executive Jetport in Wheeling, IL today. My family passed them on our way to lunch. We’d have stopped in to see them later, but by the time we got back the B-17 and P-51 had left and the B-24 was revving its engines for its takeoff roll.

One of the most delightful things I’ve ever seen was a pair of B-24’s & a B-17 circling to come around on long final at the airport in St Cloud MN back in the late 80’s. There is _nothing_ on this planet that sounds quite like 12 round engines in full throat-ed roar.

The one thing that came close though? I had taken my son to see an old Soo Line steam locomotive and seeing a B-17 and 2 P-51’s pass overhead. That was a mind bender. I had my Speed Graphic along that day; I’ll have to see if I ever scanned the neg I took of those three aircraft.

54 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:34:07pm

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

Fake Quote Alert

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Good catch. Using a fake quote of a living person is just as bad morally as a fake quote from a dead person, but tactically its actually worse, because a living person can correctly point out that she/he did not say that and then use the fact that you’ve been caught using a fake quote to hammer you for dishonesty.

55 funky chicken  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:34:25pm

re: #16 Amory Blaine

Unless of course if your grandpa fought in WWII and it’s passed down.

My grandpas both served in WWII and I guarandamntee you neither one wanted Nazi memorabilia. My one grandpa did have some full wall size maps with lines on them from post WWII. I wish I had been old enough when my grandparents passes to know they were cool. My mom threw them away.

56 Gus  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:35:50pm

Thus Spake Zarathustra.

57 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:36:26pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

Good catch. Using a fake quote of a living person is just as bad morally as a fake quote from a dead person, but tactically its actually worse, because a living person can correctly point out that she/he did not say that and then use the fact that you’ve been caught using a fake quote to hammer you for dishonesty.

It was posted at a parody site and was intended to be a joke, but then “real” media picked it up. They all just assumed that Jenny McCarthy was that stupid.

58 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:36:28pm

re: #55 funky chicken

My grandpas both served in WWII and I guarandamntee you neither one wanted Nazi memorabilia. My one grandpa did have some full wall size maps with lines on them from post WWII. I wish I had been old enough when my grandparents passes to know they were cool. My mom threw them away.

German military maps are a different kettle of fish. Those would be entirely defensible as historical artifacts.

59 Carlos Danger  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:36:59pm

re: #53 William Barnett-Lewis

One thing the old rail lines had were awesome logos. I’ll take the Chicago and Northwestern System logo anyday over the lame CN or GT logos, thankyouverymuch.

60 Carlos Danger  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:37:47pm

re: #56 Gus

Thus Spake Zarathustra.

Youtube Video

61 funky chicken  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:38:06pm

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

Fake Quote Alert

[Embedded content]

Great. Now the antivaxxers get to play martyr.

62 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:39:34pm

re: #57 Vicious Babushka

It was posted at a parody site and was intended to be a joke, but then “real” media picked it up. They all just assumed that Jenny McCarthy was that stupid.

The Superficial: These News Organizations Reported One of Our Jenny McCarthy Captions As An Actual Quote

63 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:41:02pm

HORRIBLE

64 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:41:08pm

re: #59 Carlos Danger

One thing the old rail lines had were awesome logos. I’ll take the Chicago and Northwestern System logo anyday over the lame CN or GT logos, thankyouverymuch.

I grew up in Soo Line country so it’s the standard for me.

Did I mention that day the engine was under live steam and we got to ride behind it? Steam and coal smoke and silver emulsion…

The old airlines, though, had good ones too, When I was little, North Central Airlines flew DC-3’s into Eau Claire with a blue goose on the tail fin. They remain some of the most beautiful airliners in my memory.

65 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:45:30pm

re: #57 Vicious Babushka

It was posted at a parody site and was intended to be a joke, but then “real” media picked it up. They all just assumed that Jenny McCarthy was that stupid.

She is that stupid, but it doesn’t mean the quote is real.

66 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:49:06pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

You can ask me.

Yesterday in a thread you mentioned that you were risk averse (which made sense considering what I knew about you up to this point) but then a few posts later you argued that the Republican Prty’s economic policy was a turn off to the risk averse.

Do you not support the GOP’s economic policy’s in which case why do you support them since you are clearly for a SoCon or are you in a “if its you, it’s okay” risk relationship with the GOP’s economic policy?

67 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:49:20pm

re: #64 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, the door, not the tail…

Image: 0648955.jpg

Beautiful old girl…

If I won a big lotto, I’d buy one and spend the rest of my life hopping from airport to airport in the best one I could buy.

68 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:51:12pm

re: #66 jamesfirecat

Yesterday in a thread you mentioned that you were risk averse (which made sense considering what I knew about you up to this point) but then a few posts later you argued that the Republican Prty’s economic policy was a turn off to the risk averse.

Do you not support the GOP’s economic policy’s in which case why do you support them since you are clearly for a SoCon or are you in a “if its you, it’s okay” risk relationship with the GOP’s economic policy?

I’d answer that my aversion to risk is not the best path forward, but that I lack the reserves and the confidence to be bold.

69 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:54:38pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

I’d answer that my aversion to risk is not the best path forward, but that I lack the reserves and the confidence to be bold.

So it’s that you are risk adverse but do not support risk adverse policies on a country wide economic scale?

70 Carlos Danger  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 9:00:52pm

re: #64 William Barnett-Lewis

I’m not from the midwest, but in the brief time I’ve been there, I can see how it inspires nostalgia in so many people.

This is something else, but I never understood Robert Crumb’s city scenes quite right until I saw the skylines of Chicago’s residential neighborhoods.

71 freetoken  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 9:21:43pm

re: #10 blueraven

All I know is that collecting Nazi shit is creepy as hell and anyone that does so is suspect.

Nazi-fetishism has a sexual component to it, I think. It goes along with the fantasized power.

72 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 9:28:09pm

re: #69 jamesfirecat

So it’s that you are risk adverse but do not support risk adverse policies on a country wide economic scale?

Correct. Those willing to take risks are the ones who move the ball forward. I understand this principal, but find it very hard to live by. I still try though.

73 Kragar  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 9:32:42pm

Bachmann rips Obama: Accusing GOP of creating ‘phony scandals’ is insulting

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) slammed President Barack Obama on Friday over Obama’s dismissal of Republican criticism, accusing his administration of not taking responsibility for its policy decisions.

“It is dismissive. It is insulting. It is minimizing,” Bachmann told Fox News host Greta Van Susteren. “It’s not validating the concerns that people have.”

The problem here being that so far those concerns have all been over utter and complete bullshit.

74 Carlos Diggler  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 9:44:42pm

California cop who pepper-sprayed students claims psychiatric damage

Yes, it’s the US Davis Occupy cop. Unreal.

75 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 9:50:28pm

re: #70 Carlos Danger

OMG, that avatar. I feel ill.

76 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 10:00:51pm

re: #74 Carlos Diggler

California cop who pepper-sprayed students claims psychiatric damage

Yes, it’s the US Davis Occupy cop. Unreal.

It’s pretty much a textbook definition of chutzpah.

77 philosophus invidius  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 10:01:25pm

re: #71 freetoken

Beck’s supporters claim, of course, that he is interested in Nazi memorabilia because we need to remind ourselves never to let history repeat itself. And yet we don’t find him displaying a bunch of Communist memorabilia.

78 piratedan  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 10:09:02pm

re: #77 philosophus invidius

Beck’s supporters claim, of course, that he is interested in Nazi memorabilia because we need to remind ourselves never to let history repeat itself. And yet we don’t find him displaying a bunch of Communist memorabilia.

which means he should have pictures of Holocaust survivors and pictures of Chrystal Night instead of the the Nazi tokenism he has displayed. He’s one sick duplicitous bastard, rich off of that ideological snake oil he’s been selling.

79 freetoken  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 10:14:30pm

re: #78 piratedan

Beck is rich because he knows many Americans are desperately seeking comfort and reassurance (e.g., see below with Bachmann needing her “concerns” justified) and he gives his audience what they want to hear.

I’ve been watching the previous episodes of Who Do You Think You Are, given my task this year to work on genealogy. Both the American and the original UK version. What is becoming quite noticeable in the American episodes is how much magical thinking there is going on, how people fantasize some magical power about themselves, their ancestors, as well as the usual religious magick.

Maybe I really am just an urban elitist snob, but why do all these Americans need constant reinforcement about how wonderful and magical they are?

80 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 10:16:02pm

Well just got reminded what a dim view of photographers law enforcement takes. LWC and I went up to where Mulholland is posted no vehicles after sunset etc. So we park well outside that gate past any no parking areas.

We hike 40 lb of gear a mile and a half just to get stopped and ordered off the road and out of there. If not, misdemeanor arrest. So we instantly cooperated. I’m not wanting to be one of those stories I page from Petapixel about a photog arrested without good reason. But damn none of that road is posted about pedestrian traffic and its actually a popular hiking area.

81 freetoken  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 10:22:56pm

re: #80 Political Atheist

Kamera iz evul.

82 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 10:28:40pm

re: #80 Political Atheist

Well just got reminded what a dim view of photographers law enforcement takes. LWC and I went up to where Mulholland is posted no vehicles after sunset etc. So we park well outside that gate past any no parking areas.

We hike 40 lb of gear a mile and a half just to get stopped and ordered off the road and out of there. If not, misdemeanor arrest. So we instantly cooperated. I’m not wanting to be one of those stories I page from Petapixel about a photog arrested without good reason. But damn none of that road is posted about pedestrian traffic and its actually a popular hiking area.

As far as police are concerned, most photographers aren’t their friends. Amateur and news photographers often take photos of police activity which are then posted, aired, or printed without context, which often causes the public to think the police misbehaved. It’s LA so some photogs are paparazzi, whose desire for celebrity photographs is a never-ending source of problems for police officers. And last and least often is the worst of the lot: The robber or terrorist taking photos to case a location for theft or terror.

83 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 10:31:46pm

re: #81 freetoken

Yeah such a crystal clear warm night too. The valley lights were amazing. Oh well. Some times you win sometimes not so much. I may go to FILMLA and get a scouting permit so I can get up there for a session. That way I have my papers. Er um permit. ///

84 Lidane  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 10:51:15pm

re: #74 Carlos Diggler

California cop who pepper-sprayed students claims psychiatric damage

Yes, it’s the US Davis Occupy cop. Unreal.

He calmly walked up and down a line of unarmed, seated sutdents and pepper sprayed them and he’s claiming trauma? Fuck him.

85 Lidane  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 11:03:52pm
86 piratedan  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 11:10:55pm

re: #79 freetoken

well isn’t that the shtick of the Right in a nutshell, selling the American exceptionalism but getting all of the key points as to exactly what it is wrong?

It’s maddening watching them twist and contort our history in order to always portray themselves as the good guys, no matter what, for example this whole “we can’t be racists, the Republican party freed the slaves after all”. No self examination, always looking back at the past instead of forward. Revering history without really understanding it, much less learning from it.

Maybe I’m the one who is the naive idealist, but I was raised on concepts like America, give us your poor, your tired and your hungry and we’ll give them a chance to prove it on their own. Rarely was it easy, but America offered opportunity when few others would. I remember when America tried people for torturing others and Americans were offended by genocide and ethnic cleaning. Nowadays, there are some who advocate for war because it makes them rich and it gives them power.

I know that our country hasn’t always been a bastion for fair play and would have issues claiming any kind of moral high ground with our meddling in Central America (and to a degree South America), propping up tyrants for the sake of combating communism. Yet, when disaster strikes, the outpouring of help from places all over the country tell me that basically, most Americans are decent people.

These guys watch Westerns, but they don’t understand them, at least not the good ones. They hate immigrants but damn near everyone on this continent is one. They’re quick to decry any infringement on their rights but refuse to allow others the exercise of their own, much less recognize that they have them. They’re zero sum thinkers who already have more than anybody else and damn if they’ll allow anyone else into the club.

They’re scared, sad and very dangerous folks and I’m afraid that people like Beck and Limbaugh will not know when to stop feeding the tiger, much less be able to stop riding it.

87 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 11:12:28pm

I’m an ex-Catholic. Outside of our common humanity, I’ve got no dog in this hunt. That being said, Beck creeps the shit out of me.

If you take the 6 million Jewish dead from the Shoah, and define them as skulls (8/cubic foot), you can build a tower with a 3’ x 3’ base that is well over 80,000’ tall. Note that I use this fact for hyperbole. These were real people who were slaughtered for being The Other.

The Mormons have been rightly criticized for turning the victims of the Shoah into Mormons after the fact. Now the City has allowed an un-curated exhibition of Glenn Beck’s Nazi memorabilia?

I guess it’s not just Beck who creeps the shit out of me.

88 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 11:22:45pm

re: #87 austin_blue

He sweats dollar bills, always pushing the crazy on his listeners as far as he can. Mormons don’t believe in the Holy Ghost of the Trinity. I’m not judging this faith, but that goes against one of the basic tenants of Christianity.

89 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:02:39am

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

As far as police are concerned, most photographers aren’t their friends. Amateur and news photographers often take photos of police activity which are then posted, aired, or printed without context, which often causes the public to think the police misbehaved.

Tough shit. Cops are public servants doing public business most often on public property. They have zero expectation of privacy in such settings, and photographers have a constitutional right to photograph police officers in exercise of their official duties.

The Civil Rights Division of the US Department of Justice doesn’t mince words in a May 14 letter to the Baltimore Police Department. Citizens have a constitutional right to record police carrying out their public duties, and it is illegal for police to seize and delete the recordings, the letter says. The DOJ goes on to give the BPD a blueprint for re-writing its policies regarding journalists or citizens recording police activities.

The letter, posted on the DOJ web site, could be a powerful tool for photographers (or citizens) who are harassed or arrested anywhere in the country for photographing police activities. It says exactly what National Press Photographers Associations, the ACLU, and others have long argued—one painstaking case at a time— about citizens’ right to record police activities.

And then there’s this:

A New York business owner was targeted by local police after they became suspicious of his store. As a result, they sent in an undercover informant on two separate occasions who ultimately hurt them a lot more than he helped.

On the second visit, the informant allegedly planted and photographed crack cocaine, which led to the arrest of store owner Donald Andrews Jr.

The store owner was lucky to have so many different cameras surveilling his shop. The cops were more than eager enough to arrest him on the word of the scumbag they hired to go in and find illegal activity.

I’ll never understand the mentality of law enforcement lickspittles, the profession has a long and storied history of official corruption and abuse of power. I freely admit that society needs cops, but society also needs to keep an eye on them, and so I couldn’t give a shit less about whatever objections the average police officer has to being photographed in the course of their duties.

90 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:52:35am

Garth Marenghi’s Darkplace - Episode 02 (Full Episode) - Hell Hath Fury

Youtube Video

91 EdDantes  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:58:48am

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

I remember in ‘91 turning on CNN and seeing police officers beating the crap out of a black man (Rodney King). My first thought was, ” Why are South African police stirring up more animosity for their state?” I was shocked to learn a few seconds later that this was L.A. The police generally do a good job in this country but we can’t leave them to their own prejudices and their own notions about how to enforce laws. The police’s attitudes are shaped by their experiences but they cannot violate rights of citizens based on those prejudices.

92 Timothy Watson  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:55:11am

re: #10 blueraven

Reminds me of a quote from the television show Justified:

I figured people have a right to their hobbies and I have a right to find those people creepy.

Made all the funnier because the person he’s talking about is in the same car and coincidentally likes to collect the paintings of Adolf Hitler (there’s a lot more to his motivations that aren’t reveal until the penultimate scene).

94 Timothy Watson  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:04:17am

re: #91 EdDantes

The whole Rodney King situation was made worse because when George Holliday, the person who recorded the beating, went to the police with the video, a sergeant refused to watch the video, dismissed him, and stated he had read the officers’ reports and ‘knew they hadn’t done anything wrong’.

And, one thing I’ve heard but can’t find a source for online, was that Holliday had grown up in Argentina during the military junta and he said that never thought he would see something like the Rodney King beating here in the U.S.

95 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:40:25am

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

OFFS Dark. He was in a park with photo equipment, setting up to shoot at sunset in a place with a spectacular view, there’s not a reason in the world to consider that sinister. I get that cops need to patrol public spaces, and as a woman who often likes to hike with her dog, I am grateful for that. But lord almighty, do you ALWAYS have to take the authoritarian side of any situation?

If cops weren’t doing shit they shouldn’t be, they wouldn’t give a rat’s ass about anyone filming them doing their jobs. In fact, I would think they would welcome that. They are supposed to Protect and Serve the PUBLIC, it’s who they supposedly work for, you know? I can’t think of one situation where it would be wrong of a citizen to film police arresting protesters for example, or even of a traffic stop or disturbance call. Unless the cops are being unlawful themselves there’s no reason for them to object.

(BBL, coffee and a doggie walk are in my immediate future)

96 AntonSirius  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:48:41am

re: #93 Varek Raith

Fox News Anchor Dumbfounded That A Scholar, Who Is Muslim, Had The Audacity To Write A Book About Jesus

Hey dumbass Fox host: Jesus didn’t found Christianity. Paul did that.

98 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:55:26am

re: #97 Varek Raith

Her prime tormenters Lega Nord (Northern League) are a separatist neofascist bunch. Our beloved League of the South sees them as an inspiration and links to their website.

99 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:59:03am

re: #97 Varek Raith

How nice. I guess this goes to show that there’s a lot of scared, stupid white people all over the place, not just America. That’s not all that comforting.

I’m about to the point where I’d like to suggest they pool their resources, buy an uninhabited island somewhere, call it WhiteyWhiteWhiteLand and let them have at it. They can make their own little vanilla rules and live any way they choose and leave the rest of us the hell alone. Except most of them are so hung up on the Purity of The Homeland, they’d probably reject the idea.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

100 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:08:47am

re: #99 A Mom Anon

How nice. I guess this goes to show that there’s a lot of scared, stupid white people all over the place, not just America. That’s not all that comforting.

I’m about to the point where I’d like to suggest they pool their resources, buy an uninhabited island somewhere, call it WhiteyWhiteWhiteLand and let them have at it. They can make their own little vanilla rules and live any way they choose and leave the rest of us the hell alone. Except most of them are so hung up on the Purity of The Homeland, they’d probably reject the idea.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

Probably not an exhaustive list: en.wikipedia.org

101 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:15:04am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

What we have here is a philosophical oddity. She’s anti Godwin…

Then she Godwins…

Which raises the interesting question: If you Godwin a Godwin do they cancel each other out in some sort of phase disruption of do they amplify each other exponentially? Perhaps this is the mystical force that keeps the circle of derp spinning.

You can’t Godwin when you’re actually talking about someone who collects Nazi memorabilia.

Goddamn obvious.

102 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:19:07am

A Lega Nord poster against immigration: “They underwent immigration. Now they live in reservations. Think about it.”

Image: 175px-Manifesto_Lega_Nord_campagna_elettorale_2008.jpg

103 Lancelot Link  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:19:40am

re: #101 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Even Mike Godwin sometimes mentions the Nazis.

104 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:26:24am

re: #96 AntonSirius

Hey dumbass Fox host: Jesus didn’t found Christianity. Paul did that.

I think the Vatican would disagree w/you on that.

105 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:27:38am

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Googeled “Godwin’s Law” under image search. Got that.
Lol.

106 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:41:07am

Good morning lizards. This is creepy. I can understand someone might have a gun or something their grandfather took off a dead Nazi they had killed kept in a box in the closet but to collectivly search, find, purchase and display Nazi memorabilia is freaking gross. Beck is an asshole.

107 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:45:51am

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards. This is creepy. I can understand someone might have a gun or something their grandfather took off a dead Nazi they had killed kept in a box in the closet but to collectivly search, find, purchase and display Nazi memorabilia is freaking gross. Beck is an asshole.

Y’all might want to stay away from our flea markets and gun shows.

108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:47:16am

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Y’all might want to stay away from our flea markets and gun shows.

I think that Pawn Stars show reveals some things that are deeply wrong with America, but I respect the guys that run the store for flat-out refusing to deal in Nazi memorabilia.

109 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:49:45am

re: #108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I think that Pawn Stars show reveals some things that are deeply wrong with America, but I respect the guys that run the store for flat-out refusing to deal in Nazi memorabilia.

I saw the episode where someone brought in some Nazi pins. He said he didn’t want it in his store. Too much bad mojo.

110 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:50:57am

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Y’all might want to stay away from our flea markets and gun shows.

I’ve seen that crap at some at antique shops. I won’t touch them.

111 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:51:45am

My grandfather’s friend collected Nazi pins and medals for the explicit purpose of melting them down into pots and pans.
Funny feller.

112 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:52:20am

My dad was a WW2 Pacific vet. Some of his buddies had Japanese swords, etc. but that stuff just creeped him out.

113 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:54:37am

re: #112 Vicious Babushka

My dad was a WW2 Pacific vet. Some of his buddies had Japanese swords, etc. but that stuff just creeped him out.

Yeah, my grandfather collected nothing from the Pacific. Thought war trophies were stupid. He did, however, collect recipes from the Japanese towards the end of the war. He loved baking.

114 Flounder  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:04:32am

My father took a lot of slides in the Korean Police Action, and never went to see the “ladies” as my mom loves to point out.

115 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:52:51am
116 AntonSirius  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:53:18am

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

I think the Vatican would disagree w/you on that.

We disagree on a lot of things.

In my book to found something, you have to do a little more than just say “Hey, guys, good job. Keep it up”.

117 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:59:51am

re: #115 Gus

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Really. How come I’m still posting?

118 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:00:57am

re: #117 Iwouldprefernotto

Really. How come I’m still posting?

Magic!

119 Flounder  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:07:19am

Allrighty then. The ribs and chicken are in the smoker. Soaked overnight in an apple cider brine, they are slathered with honey mustard and an applewood rub. Smoking with cherry wood today. Should be ready in 4.5 hours, who’s bringing the slaw?
Laundry is done and folded too, I don’t want any bitching about the towels being like sandpaper because I dried them on the line.

120 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:08:55am

re: #119 Flounder

Allrighty then. The ribs and chicken are in the smoker. Soaked overnight in an apple cider brine, they are slathered with honey mustard and an applewood rub. Smoking with cherry wood today. Should be ready in 4.5 hours, who’s bringing the slaw?
Laundry is done and folded too, I don’t want any bitching about the towels being like sandpaper because I dried them on the line.

Will do anything for Ribs

121 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:09:54am

re: #120 Iwouldprefernotto

Will do anything for Ribs

Bacon.

122 Flounder  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:11:43am

re: #120 Iwouldprefernotto

If you have room for an electric smoker, I highly recommend them. I got one at wally world for 80 bucks, insulated, light and “easy” to clean. I just hose mine out and spray with bleach when done. Don’t leave em dirty, mold loves dark and wet places.

123 Dave In Austin  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:12:20am

Anyone pull this one up last nite. It’s no surprise as to the Faux outrage but I did find the comments interesting and entertaining. I think I will get the book as it was described as compelling.

Faux Muslim Bashing @it’s best.

124 Dave In Austin  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:14:35am

re: #123 Dave In Austin

Please disregard the Tweet feed, that was unintentional.

125 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:16:48am
126 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:17:33am

re: #123 Dave In Austin

Anyone pull this one up last nite. It’s no surprise as to the Faux outrage but I did find the comments interesting and entertaining. I think I will get the book as it was described as compelling.

Faux Muslim Bashing @it’s best.

We actually discussed it a great deal, mostly in the context of what bunch of dishonest shits Fox News is.

127 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:19:41am

re: #125 Gus

Derpy derpy doooo!

No urinals on new ships? What about pissing down the scuppers, is that still allowed? That’s relatively gender-neutral, anyway.

128 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:20:09am

re: #125 Gus

Derpy derpy doooo!

I’ll upding you, but no more for a while, please. I really don’t need to see stuff from the Phelps hate zone that is the WBC early in the morning.
Hold off for an hour, please.

129 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:21:06am

re: #127 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No urinals on new ships? What about pissing down the scuppers, is that still allowed? That’s relatively gender-neutral, anyway.

Apparently on the USS Gerald Ford. Not sure what to think of this. The extra derpy part of that Tweet is that he thinks the USAF has aircraft carriers.

130 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:30:10am

re: #125 Gus

Derpy derpy doooo!

No urinals? The whole friggin’ ocean is a urinal. That’s what the aft deck rail is for.

131 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:31:57am

re: #127 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No urinals on new ships? What about pissing down the scuppers, is that still allowed? That’s relatively gender-neutral, anyway.

Drop a deuce on the aircraft catapult and fling it at other ships in the convoy.

132 Joanne  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:33:07am

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

As an aside, the sole flying B-17E along with a B-24 Liberator and a P-51D Mustang were at the Chicago Executive Jetport in Wheeling, IL today. My family passed them on our way to lunch. We’d have stopped in to see them later, but by the time we got back the B-17 and P-51 had left and the B-24 was revving its engines for its takeoff roll.

It still cracks me up that Palwaukee (airport) morphed into Chicago Executive Jetport.

133 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:35:02am

I think even more disturbing than Beck’s Nazi memobrilla collection is his tendency to liken anyone who disagrees with him to the Nazis. He really does seem to see himself in the same vein as the people who fought the Nazis in and outside of Germany from 1933-1945 and he really does see his political opponents i.e. the left, President Obama, more moderate conservatives, etc as being representative of the Third Reich. I don’t know. I think there’s a damn good reason why this guy had drug and alcohol problems.

134 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:36:59am

re: #132 Joanne

It still cracks me up that Palwaukee (airport) morphed into Chicago Executive Jetport.

Sometimes rebranding actually does work. Though small prop planes are still to be seen there, the place now really does serve a fair number of Lear jets and a small number of Gulfstreams.

135 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:38:57am

Watching the bustling Nazi memorabilia trade at the local auctioneer, I’ve found the buyers aren’t very discriminating as long as it has a swastika on it. I turned over a couple of “genuine” troop postcards, only to find the Kodak logo on the back.

Someone’s buying, though.

136 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:40:32am

re: #135 Carlos Danger

Watching the bustling Nazi memorabilia trade at the local auctioneer, I’ve found the buyers aren’t very discriminating as long as it has a swastika on it. I turned over a couple of “genuine” troop postcards, only to find the Kodak logo on the back.

Someone’s buying, though.

And someone else is worrying, that someone else being me.

137 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:41:07am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes rebranding actually does work. Though small prop planes are still to be seen there, the place now really does serve a fair number of Lear jets and a small number of Gulfstreams.

That has more to do with a growing economy and proximity to Chicago than labling. Telling rich people they now have a special airport just for them always works.

138 efuseakay  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:41:26am

re: #132 Joanne

It still cracks me up that Palwaukee (airport) morphed into Chicago Executive Jetport.

I still call it Palwaukee. Heh

What I really miss is watching the Blue Angels at Glenview Naval Air for the Chicago Air and Water Show.

139 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:43:06am

I’ve shared this photo before on LGF.

This medal, known as a Spanish Cross, was obtained from my grandfather (who served in the Navy) from a German POW they had on ship. The German agreed to give up the medal in exchange for some chocolate.

My grandfather had since that time and passed it to me a few years before he died. I’ve considered loaning it to a museum but it’s one of my favorite pieces of family history so I think I’m more inclined to keep it in the fireproof safe where it now resides.

140 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:45:13am

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

A far cry from Beck’s blood-fetish handkerchief.

141 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:45:16am

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

“How many swastikas can we fit on one medal?”

142 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:47:25am

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve shared this photo before on LGF.

This medal, known as a Spanish Cross, was obtained from my grandfather (who served in the Navy) from a German POW they had on ship. The German agreed to give up the medal in exchange for some chocolate.

My grandfather had since that time and passed it to me a few years before he died. I’ve considered loaning it to a museum but it’s one of my favorite pieces of family history so I think I’m more inclined to keep it in the fireproof safe where it now resides.

A trade is a trade.
I see no problems there.
I’d trade lots of my things for some chocolate.
:)

143 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:47:53am

The blood hankie was the weirdest one. And I don’t blame people at all for being offended about him having it in close proximity to an early copy of Anne Frank’s diary. It’s just creepy. I understand the fascination with WWII and the NDSAP but his borders with obsession like genuinely creepily obsessed. You know how people collect serial killer memorabilia? That’s how Beck is with the Nazis.

144 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:48:34am

re: #133 HappyWarrior

I think there’s a damn good reason why this guy had drug and alcohol problems.

There’s always a “good” reason. But former addicts do make some of the best religious zealots in large part because they translate that addictive behavior toward drugs and alcohol into the same behavior toward Jesus. I’ve known a number of former addicts (thanks to personal experience in this field) who talk about Jesus like it’s their next fix.

145 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:48:59am

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve shared this photo before on LGF.

This medal, known as a Spanish Cross, was obtained from my grandfather (who served in the Navy) from a German POW they had on ship. The German agreed to give up the medal in exchange for some chocolate.

My grandfather had since that time and passed it to me a few years before he died. I’ve considered loaning it to a museum but it’s one of my favorite pieces of family history so I think I’m more inclined to keep it in the fireproof safe where it now resides.

That’s pretty normal actually. After all the man traded it to your grandfather and as already said it’s a far cry from a handkerchief that has Hitler’s blood on it.

146 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:49:56am

re: #144 darthstar

There’s always a “good” reason. But former addicts do make some of the best religious zealots in large part because they translate that addictive behavior toward drugs and alcohol into the same behavior toward Jesus. I’ve known a number of former addicts (thanks to personal experience in this field) who talk about Jesus like it’s their next fix.

That would be my observation as well. One fixation replaced with another.

147 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:50:23am
148 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:51:21am

re: #147 Gus

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To be fair, a New York slice is like half a pie.
;)

149 Flounder  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:51:45am

But have you seen Beck’s lampshade collection? That was not a joke, I wouldn’t put it past him.

150 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:52:17am

Weirdest bit of memobrilla I ever saw. I was watching MTV’s Cribs one day and this one musician kept a glass or blender full of Gene Simmons’ puke. Shit even if I liked Kiss, I’d still find that among the most disgusting things ever. I mean if you want to remember someone, great, but some bits border on creepy. I mean I kept my grandmother’s old yearbook from 1929 after she passed as a keepsake and a couple of her books as well but stuff that involved bodily functions just is gross.

151 Flounder  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:52:34am

re: #147 Gus

How much for four fried chickens and a coke?

152 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:52:59am

re: #142 Varek Raith

A trade is a trade.
I see no problems there.
I’d trade lots of my things for some chocolate.
:)

I myself consider it rather pathetic to give up a hard earned medal for sweets, but I also consider such a trade to be the business of the people making it.

153 Flounder  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:53:43am

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

I guess the chocolate meant more to the German.

154 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:53:52am

Can we just agree that so many of these RWNJs like Beck, esp, are just plain mentally ill?

You would have to be…

155 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:54:11am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

I don’t even…

156 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:54:52am

re: #147 Gus

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Heeeeeeeeeelllll No. Please shoot me if I ever pay that much for a slice of pizza.

157 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:54:56am

re: #155 Varek Raith

I don’t even…

Yeah I remember seeing that and my first thought was “Fuck, Kiss isn’t even that good and then really you keep the guy’s vomit?”

158 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:55:52am

D.C does pizza by the slice. Can get a big sized slice for 3 to 5 bucks depending on whether it’s got cheese or whatever on it. Great drunk comfort food on a Saturday’s night.

159 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:56:00am

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

I myself consider it rather pathetic to give up a hard earned medal for sweets, but I also consider such a trade to be the business of the people making it.

Well I’m not aware of the soldier’s mental state at the time. Unfortunately for the poor sucker my grandfather decided to bring him some bakers chocolate.

Oops…

160 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:56:30am

Pew has a 13 question “News IQ” quiz. I got 13/13 along with only 8% of the people who have taken it. Seriously, their questions amount to not much more than “Who is this black guy?”

It’s a picture of Eric Holder

pewresearch.org

The last question is the only one I can see some Republicans getting wrong…the rest are so easy nobody should miss them.

161 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:57:10am

re: #151 Flounder

How much for four fried chickens and a coke?

Enough for Jake to be shocked by the inflation of the late 70’s. Though by the time the movie came out Paul Volker had begun his ultimately successful battle to end that high inflation.

162 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:57:32am

re: #160 darthstar

I think your spoiler tag is broken.

163 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:59:47am

re: #160 darthstar

Pew has a 13 question “News IQ” quiz. I got 13/13 along with only 8% of the people who have taken it. Seriously, their questions amount to not much more than “Who is this black guy?”

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pewresearch.org

The last question is the only one I can see some Republicans getting wrong…the rest are so easy nobody should miss them.

Yeah that was too easy. Took me five minutes to do it.

164 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:59:49am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

The creepiest thing about it, to me, is creating a blood relic out of thin air. Really weird that Beck should find a willing partner to exhibit the items- a family with a controlling stake in Sinclair and Little America hotels.

165 Flounder  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:00:12am

re: #160 darthstar

I got Elizabeth Warren wrong, probably because I don’t watch tv or you tube

166 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:00:55am

re: #164 Carlos Danger

The creepiest thing about it, to me, is creating a blood relic out of thin air. Really weird that Beck should find a willing partner to exhibit the items- a family with a controlling stake in Sinclair and Little America hotels.

All it takes is one I guess. But yeah it’s just weird.

167 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:01:00am

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

Heeeeeeeeeelllll No. Please shoot me if I ever pay that much for a slice of pizza.

You get used to it.

168 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:02:21am
169 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:02:59am

re: #160 darthstar

Pew has a 13 question “News IQ” quiz. I got 13/13 along with only 8% of the people who have taken it. Seriously, their questions amount to not much more than “Who is this black guy?”

[Embedded content]

pewresearch.org

The last question is the only one I can see some Republicans getting wrong…the rest are so easy nobody should miss them.

I just took it myself and made the same clean sweep 13/13.

Actually, the only question I was uncertain about was the one question most people got wrong, that question being identifying which photo is Elizabeth Warren.

170 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:03:07am

re: #168 Carlos Danger

Adolf Hitler’s Toilet

Can I get Stalin’s mouthwash and Mao’s shaving cream thrown in too?

171 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:04:25am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Can I get Stalin’s mouthwash and Mao’s shaving cream thrown in too?

No but I can get you some Maowash and Stalkreem.

172 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:05:40am

re: #167 darthstar

You get used to it.

I’d never pay 7 bucks for a slice of pizza. Screw that noise.

173 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:08:20am

Speaking of the Nazis, I watched Boys from Brazil again yesterday. Peck’s Mengele is creepy especially knowing the real guy was alive when the movie was released but Laurence Oliver who played a Simon Wiesenthal like character in this but played a Mengele like character in Marathon Man is one of the most creepy on screen performances I’ve ever seen of a Nazi. Consideration also has to go to Ralph Finennes’ Goeth in Schindler’s List for that too.

174 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:08:42am

re: #172 Gus

I’d never pay 7 bucks for a slice of pizza. Screw that noise.

I used to say I’d never pay $15 for a cocktail. It all depends on where you are. Now that I’m settled into my new job, I’m much more frugal - I pride myself on packing lunches, and when possible, spending $5 or less on lunch (working two blocks from North Beach and China Town helps).

175 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:10:56am

Son of a …
I missed the twitter logo…
Lol.

176 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:23:57am

re: #153 Flounder

I guess the chocolate meant more to the German.

Medals are reminders to put service above self - you may die tomorrow, but here’s a shiny object. A piece of chocolate melting in his mouth probably made that man forget all about the war for a few moments. It’s a lovely story, actually.

177 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:25:20am

re: #176 darthstar

Medals are reminders to put service above self - you may die tomorrow, but here’s a shiny object. A piece of chocolate melting in his mouth probably made that man forget all about the war for a few moments. It’s a lovely story, actually.

Surprised the POW didn’t chuck it over the side. There were a lot of people pissed off at Good Germans then.

178 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:32:36am

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

I myself consider it rather pathetic to give up a hard earned medal for sweets, but I also consider such a trade to be the business of the people making it.

When that hard earned object has the moral equivalent of the middle finger plastered over it, it’s not such a bad trade- it’s probably the most useful thing that guy ever got out of that medal.

179 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:41:26am

re: #178 Carlos Danger

I don’t understand his use of ‘pathetic.’ Can’t imagine what that guy felt myself as I never served and certainly wouldn’t want to. I abhor death and violence. Maybe DF’s military service was different, more valiant, and medals are meaningful.

180 efuseakay  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:44:03am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

The blood hankie was the weirdest one. And I don’t blame people at all for being offended about him having it in close proximity to an early copy of Anne Frank’s diary. It’s just creepy. I understand the fascination with WWII and the NDSAP but his borders with obsession like genuinely creepily obsessed. You know how people collect serial killer memorabilia? That’s how Beck is with the Nazis.

Garbage Pail Kids is one thing. But bloody Nazi rags???

181 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:46:42am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

The blood hankie was the weirdest one. And I don’t blame people at all for being offended about him having it in close proximity to an early copy of Anne Frank’s diary. It’s just creepy. I understand the fascination with WWII and the NDSAP but his borders with obsession like genuinely creepily obsessed. You know how people collect serial killer memorabilia? That’s how Beck is with the Nazis.

I don’t even want to know what Beck does when he’s reading Anne Frank.

182 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:52:11am

re: #99 A Mom Anon

How nice. I guess this goes to show that there’s a lot of scared, stupid white people all over the place, not just America. That’s not all that comforting.

I’m about to the point where I’d like to suggest they pool their resources, buy an uninhabited island somewhere, call it WhiteyWhiteWhiteLand and let them have at it. They can make their own little vanilla rules and live any way they choose and leave the rest of us the hell alone. Except most of them are so hung up on the Purity of The Homeland, they’d probably reject the idea.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

Doesn’t that fall into the same sphere as the character from “Big Bang Theory” solving the Middle East situation by transferring Israel to the American Southwest?

183 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:00:48am

For MomAnon, Kilgore, and anyone else interested in serious pizza ovens:

Forno Bravo Forum: The Wood-Fired Oven Community

fornobravo.com

184 Flounder  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:04:32am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

OOh! I love masonry porn!

185 Flounder  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:05:30am

Wrapping ribs and chicken in aluminium foil, 2.5 hours to go!

186 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:07:15am
187 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:10:14am

re: #186 darthstar

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Who in hell is footing the liability costs when these idiots go to ‘protect’ the kids?

188 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:11:36am

re: #184 Flounder

OOh! I love masonry porn!

Get your fill. One thread talks about modding a garden tiller to mix vermiculite insulating cement.

189 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:12:25am

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

I myself consider it rather pathetic to give up a hard earned medal for sweets, but I also consider such a trade to be the business of the people making it.

Not too hard. Non-combatant award for 3 months service in Spain with the Fascist army. Basically a “good conduct” level award.

Edit: Ok that one has swords, so some “merit” had to be show to be awarded it.

en.wikipedia.org

190 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:12:30am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Who in hell is footing the liability costs when these idiots go to ‘protect’ the kids?

I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough, as soon as some kid says something cross-ways to a ‘volunteer’…I wish Arpaio would get caught doing something criminally illegal already…he needs to become a bad memory.

191 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:15:29am

re: #189 William Barnett-Lewis

But the pageantry, the ceremony, the band playing and women and children lining the streets to witness the glorious event…doesn’t that mean anything?

192 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:17:37am

Okay…time to go check the surf.

193 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:22:34am

re: #189 William Barnett-Lewis

Edit: Ok that one has swords, so some “merit” had to be show to be awarded it.

en.wikipedia.org

Like bombing Guernica?

194 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:30:22am

re: #193 Carlos Danger

Like bombing Guernica?

More likely executing unarmed peasants for being “union members” or Republican army soldiers.

195 Bear  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:30:49am

re: #192 darthstar

Watch out for sharks.

196 Political Atheist  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:33:51am

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

It’s LA so some photogs are paparazzi, whose desire for celebrity photographs is a never-ending source of problems for police officers.

I think that is probably the issue along Mulholland, many celebrity properties abut the road.

And last and least often is the worst of the lot: The robber or terrorist taking photos to case a location for theft or terror.

That is a strictly imaginary threat.

197 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:36:49am

re: #194 William Barnett-Lewis

More likely executing unarmed peasants for being “union members” or Republican army soldiers.

Added “quill” device for a gay poet.

198 Carlos Dangler  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:05:44am

re: #151 Flounder

How much for four fried chickens and a coke?

And some dry white toast?

199 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:08:10am

Greenwald gloats some more about the damage he’s done to the NSA:

200 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:09:25am

And reiterates that he only believes in spying on terrorists when we already know they’re terrorists.

201 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:10:57am

Defends his appearance with Fox racist Eric Bolling - pure unwitting irony:

Nobody is beyond criticism - except the mighty Greenwald!

202 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:13:20am

re: #200 Charles Johnson

And reiterates that he only believes in spying on terrorists when we already know they’re terrorists.

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Its win-win for him. First he bitches about the NSA running intel operations, then he can bitch about how the government let an attack happen.

203 Carlos Dangler  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:17:28am

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Defends his appearance with Fox racist Eric Bolling - pure unwitting irony:

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Nobody is beyond criticism - except the mighty Greenwald!

The Mighty Quinn is way cooler than the Mighty Greenwald.

///

204 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:17:43am

re: #147 Gus

Yeah,, but it’s a SOUVENIR Beverage ,,, You get to keep the cup and mount it on your mantle!!!

205 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:20:53am

re: #204 sattv4u2

Yeah,, but it’s a SOUVENIR Beverage ,,, You get to keep the cup and mount it on your mantle!!!

Probably 17 oz.

206 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:23:07am

re: #200 Charles Johnson

And reiterates that he only believes in spying on terrorists when we already know they’re terrorists.

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“Hasn’t nothing,” double negative.

207 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:23:13am

re: #204 sattv4u2

Yeah,, but it’s a SOUVENIR Beverage ,,, You get to keep the cup and mount it on your mantle!!!

ya working? Indy brickyard is starting.. I’m jacked today!
as an aside..GG is one of those geniuses that would rip America for not connecting the dots and also rip them for trying to connect the dots. He is an advocate chock full of Bias pretending to be a reporter.
Ladies and Gentleman..Start your Engines! Woohoo!

208 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:23:41am

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Probably 17 oz.

Image: BloombergNAZIpic.jpg

209 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:24:13am

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Probably 17 oz.

Thank goodness. //

210 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:24:27am

re: #207 HoosierHoops

ya working? Indy brickyard is starting

Nope

A (very) rare weekend off

211 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:27:15am

re: #207 HoosierHoops

re: #210 sattv4u2

ya working? Indy brickyard is starting

Nope

A (very) rare weekend off

Transitioning from working overnights to noon- midnight

212 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:29:40am

Greenwald’s really working hard to revive his failing story.

Greenwald Claims Private Contractors Can Spy on Calls, Emails: ‘I Defy NSA Officials to Deny’ These Capabilities | Mediaite

Following up on Edward Snowden’s earlier claim that he could wiretap anybody as a low-level defense contractor—a claim denied by NSA officials and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers—Glenn Greenwald appeared on This Week With George Stephanopoulos and claimed that his forthcoming reporting would prove exactly that.

“It’s an incredibly powerful and invasive tool,” Greenwald said of the program Snowden used, “exactly the type that Mr. Snowden described. NSA officials are going to be testifying before the Senate on Wednesday, and I defy them to deny that these programs work exactly as I’ve just said.”

Greenwald described the capabilities of the program, accessible not just by NSA officials but by low-level private contractors:

“The NSA has trillions of telephone calls and email in their databases. What these programs are are very simple screens, like the ones that supermarket clerks or shipping and receiving clerks use, where all an analyst has to do is enter an email address or an IP address, and it does two things: it searches that database and lets them listen to the calls or read the emails of everything that the NSA has stored, or look at the browsing histories or Google search terms that you’ve entered; and it also alerts them to any further activity that people connected to that email address or connected to that IP address do in the future. And it’s all done with no need to go to a court, with no need to even get supervisor approval on the part of the analyst.”

Greenwald noted that while “there are legal constraints on how you can spy on Americans,” there’s nothing stopping, or even detecting, abuse of the program.

Note that Greenwald ADMITS it’s illegal for the NSA to use these programs to spy on Americans - but insinuates that they’re doing it anyway. And unless all the information we’ve gotten to date is wrong, he’s simply lying again when he says they can “listen to calls.”

213 Sionainn  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:36:55am

With so many computer experts here, I’m wondering who to choose for website hosting. I’m attempting to start medical transcription business.

Thanks!

214 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:37:22am
215 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:41:06am

“Low level analysts can listen to any phone call! I know this and challenge the NSA to deny this!”

216 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:42:17am

re: #215 Gus

“Low level analysts can listen to any phone call! I know this and challenge the NSA to deny this!”

“We deny this.”

217 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:50:40am

re: #212 Charles Johnson

What is he saying? That it’s all right for someone like Snowden, a contractor not even in a civil service job but working for a private co, to do those things, someone who, you know, is whistle blowing on the big, bad govt, and not all right for the the govt agency NSA to try to track down those intent on bad deeds, like blowing stuff and people up, by recording metadata, something they have been charged by Congress to do?

I just don’t think someone like Snowden could even do half as much as Snowald wants us to believe.

218 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:58:31am

re: #216 Kragar

“We deny this.”

“They’re lying! And I know it because two jackholes in Congress say they’re lying, but can’t say why because it’s classified!”

219 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 11:01:27am

re: #218 Targetpractice

“They’re lying! And I know it because two jackholes in Congress say they’re lying, but can’t say why because it’s classified!”

“It would be irresponsible not to speculate.”

220 funky chicken  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 11:36:10am

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve shared this photo before on LGF.

This medal, known as a Spanish Cross, was obtained from my grandfather (who served in the Navy) from a German POW they had on ship. The German agreed to give up the medal in exchange for some chocolate.

My grandfather had since that time and passed it to me a few years before he died. I’ve considered loaning it to a museum but it’s one of my favorite pieces of family history so I think I’m more inclined to keep it in the fireproof safe where it now resides.

I’d get it the fuck out of my house, but that’s just me.


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