Israeli-Palestinian Talks to Start Monday

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On one level this is great news because everyone wants to see a resolution of some kind. But it’s a bit difficult to get very hopeful after the last, oh, two decades or so: US Says Israeli-Palestinian Talks to Start Monday.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department says Israeli and Palestinian negotiators will resume long-stalled direct peace talks on Monday.

The department announced Sunday that the two sides had accepted invitations from Secretary of State John Kerry to come to Washington “to formally resume direct final status negotiations.” The department said two days of initial meetings will begin Monday evening.

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1 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 12:57:38pm

On the upside, Arafish is long gone. On the downside, we have Hamas.

2 Political Atheist  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:04:43pm

A huge win for our new SecState as well as the best thing for the warring parties. Good news all around.

3 blueraven  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:08:15pm

Very cautiously optimistic.

4 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:13:37pm

I’d be a whole lot more hopeful if the Palestinians and Israelis came out with a statement on a resolution of remaining issues - that they already hashed out the key issues in private (back channels) than first saying they’re going to be holding talks in a rather public manner.

None of the prior deals were done in public settings. In fact, the Oslo talks were done in private and only after the declaration was agreed upon was it made public.

The public nature of the talks locks both sides into already known positions with no leeway. PA/PLO/Hamas is never going to relent on right of return or East Jerusalem in public - not when they refuse to make any concessions.

Likewise, Israel’s not going to relinquish control over Jerusalem nor allow right of return or accept a militarized West Bank/Gaza.

These are things that everyone knows on both sides, and yet the only way to move towards peace is to get movement on all those fronts.

The borders can be adjusted - giving and taking territory from the 1948 or 1967 lines and adding or subtracting territory to maintain territorial integrity for Israel and PA controlled territory. Water rights can be agreed upon and so too can mineral rights and even the natural gas rights off the Mediterranean.

Jerusalem’s territorial integrity is a touchstone for both Palestinians and Israelis. Israelis aren’t going to give up East Jerusalem willingly, not when Judaism’s holiest place on the planet is located therein, in the Old City - the Temple Mount and Kotel. They know that when the Jordanians retained control of East Jerusalem that Jews were unable to pray there - and religious freedom is a big deal.

Palestinians likewise want the territory for their own capital - even though that means carving up the city in a way that both Palestinians and Israelis wouldn’t be happy with.

But who exactly is Israel to be negotiating with? Hamas doesn’t recognize Israel’s right to exist, let alone the other terror groups operating in Gaza. Fatah doesn’t speak for all the Palestinians, so any talks may have limited utility.

Still, talks do have utility. It gets the sides to build relationships that haven’t been worked upon since the Hamas takeover of Gaza, and there might be some movement on other issues.

5 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:26:13pm

Lock them at Camp David, with no s’mores or hot dogs until they settle.

6 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:28:03pm

I wonder if we should expect at least two random rocket launches into Israel from Gaza.

7 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:30:09pm

Nothing will come of it. There are too many people on all sides of the equation who do not want peace.

They want victory, which is a different thing altogether.

8 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:30:40pm

re: #6 Gus

Probably. I do not want that to happen but past experience has shown that it may happen.

9 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:32:09pm

re: #5 Decatur Deb

Or lock them in a room after they have had prune juice. //

10 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:33:31pm

re: #6 Gus

I wonder if we should expect at least two random rocket launches into Israel from Gaza.

Probably, and the ground-breaking at some new hilltop settlement.

11 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:34:10pm

re: #6 Gus

I wonder if we should expect at least two random rocket launches into Israel from Gaza.

Hamas may not want to get Israel’s wrath at the moment since they’re trying to deal with the situation in Egypt. But that doesn’t mean that Islamic Jihad or PRCs or other terror groups and splinter groups aren’t going to try something. Last week there were a couple of launches, but those appeared to be done without Hamas’ approval.

12 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:35:04pm

It’s a death spiral.
Sad to say…

13 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:42:49pm

re: #12 Varek Raith

Death tango is perhaps more like it. Spiral happens when the music stops.

14 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:44:05pm

re: #13 lawhawk

Death tango is perhaps more like it. Spiral happens when the music stops.

Best, then, they keep dancing.

15 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:57:13pm

Secretary Kerry is trying to make his name, is my cynical view. My optimistic view is that there will be progress. Apparently he has been working toward this for some time.

16 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:15:21pm

Conservative Christian group blames falling SAT scores on lack of school prayer

The American Family Association of Kentucky believes school prayer has something to do with SAT scores and the AIDS epidemic.

Right Wing Watch reported that the conservative Christian group recently launched a petition calling for prayer in public schools.

The petition noted that Mississippi and Florida had enacted laws that allowed public prayers to be given at school assemblies, graduation ceremonies and sporting events.

“Prayer was in our schools for over 200 years before the anti-God forces took it out in 1962,” the petition stated. “After prayer was removed from our schools, teen pregnancy went up 500%, STD’s went up 226%, violent crime went up 500% and SAT scores went down for 18 years in a row, opening the door for the AIDS epidemic and the drug culture.”

17 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:17:41pm

re: #16 Kragar

And those figures sound a bit inflated. ///

18 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:18:15pm

Hey, what was the top movie for the week of April 10th, 2013 that would have been appropriate for people 10-15 years old.

19 palomino  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:19:14pm

re: #15 prairiefire

Secretary Kerry is trying to make his name, is my cynical view. My optimistic view is that there will be progress. Apparently he has been working toward this for some time.

True, but nearly every president and SecState over the last 40 years has tried to score a big victory by brokering middle east peace deals. So Kerry’s not really any different.

20 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:22:04pm

Wingnut Nontroversy Fauxtrage Du Jour:

ICONIC 9/11 PHOTO NEARLY EXCLUDED FROM GROUND ZERO MUSEUM FOR BEING TOO ‘RAH-RAH AMERICA’

Notice the word Nearly which means it WASN’T.

Also, this is promotional gossip for book by some wingnut.

Already being spammed all over Teh Twitters by Pammy, Bryan Fischer, Dim Jim & the usual gang of idiots.

21 palomino  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:22:23pm

re: #16 Kragar

Conservative Christian group blames falling SAT scores on lack of school prayer

It’s the classic logical fallacy of assuming that A caused B merely because A happened before B. But what else would you expect from religious fanatics who feel that they’re not truly free unless they can interject religion into every context, public or private.

22 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:26:20pm

re: #19 palomino

Well, he is different from Bush.

The whole Evangelical Christian thing that he promoted meant that the Palestinians had no chance in hell.

To be honest, they still don’t. They will likely be asked to take a map that looks like this (Essentially Zones A & B), with no water rights, and no rights in regards to sites in Jerusalem. Not to mention no right of free travel between those little, unsustainable pockets. I’ll start believing that something will happen when Israel shows give on the settlements, and negotiates for Jerusalem. Jerusalem is important for Muslims and Christians too.

And yes, I slightly side with the Palestinians. Though I want a third party to sweep out the corrupt Fatah and the evil Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood.

23 Archangelus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:33:15pm

I really wish I could be optimistic about this. However, neither side can really advance this much.
On the Palestinian side, Hamas is a main obstacle to negotiations since violently seizing the Gaza Strip in 2007 (which included the slaughtering of quite a few Fatah personnel at the time). They do not recognize Israel in general and the negotiations in particular, which seriously harms the strength of Abass’s position.
On the Israeli side, the Netanyahu administration has issues of its own (internal-political and social) in bringing forward the results of any negotiations to the people. Netanyahu has abysmal support (he won the last elections because of the craptacular Israeli political/election system - which makes ours look like a gift from the almighty straight from Mount Sinai).
Worst of all, in my opinion, is that after all these years, most Israeli citizens are jaded when it comes to the notion of peace - even those that were major supporters of the Oslo accords. Abass is barely tolerated by the peace-supporting Israeli left, his actions from the past few years have tainted him in many eyes, and far too many believe that even if the Palestinian people want peace, their leadership - which has remained mostly the same since Arafat’s days - simply cannot be trusted.
All in all, not a good recipe for success…

24 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:34:56pm

re: #16 Kragar

Conservative Christian group blames falling SAT scores on lack of school prayer

Interesting. I can’t remember my exact SAT composite score (from back in the winter of 1969-70), something like 1,400, only that I did better in the math part than the verbal part, which I found stunning because I had a horrible case of the flu when taking my SAT. I’d taken the ACT earlier and scored a 31 or 32 composite on that because my math portion was something like 17-18, which dragged down everything else. Guess it was that prayer thing that doomed me in math, being educated in a small town public school and all…

25 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:36:46pm

re: #22 ProTARDISLiberal

And yes, I slightly side with the Palestinians. Though I want a third party to sweep out the corrupt Fatah and the evil Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood.

That’s the thing. I think a number of people would be more sympathetic to the Palestinians if they weren’t being controlled by what essentially amount to terrorist organizations.

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:36:55pm

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut Nontroversy Fauxtrage Du Jour:

ICONIC 9/11 PHOTO NEARLY EXCLUDED FROM GROUND ZERO MUSEUM FOR BEING TOO ‘RAH-RAH AMERICA’

Notice the word Nearly which means it WASN’T.

Also, this is promotional gossip for book by some wingnut.

Already being spammed all over Teh Twitters by Pammy, Bryan Fischer, Dim Jim & the usual gang of idiots.

Would be totally fun to have a #AskPamelaGeller twitter thing like the #AskTommyRobinson thing that happened yesterday.

27 BongCrodny  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:44:50pm

re: #16 Kragar

Conservative Christian group blames falling SAT scores on lack of school prayer

One thing that I’ve found to be demonstrably true over the years is that whenever I’ve had a test, studying works much, much better than prayer.

28 palomino  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:45:13pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Interesting. I can’t remember my exact SAT composite score (from back in the winter of 1969-70), something like 1,400, only that I did better in the math part than the verbal part, which I found stunning because I had a horrible case of the flu when taking my SAT. I’d taken the ACT earlier and scored a 31 or 32 composite on that because my math portion was something like 17-18, which dragged down everything else. Guess it was that prayer thing that doomed me in math, being educated in a small town public school and all…

Exactly, just think how much more math you would have learned had your teachers dedicated a minute at the beginning of each class to a “non-denominational” prayer.

29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:45:55pm

re: #16 Kragar

Conservative Christian group blames falling SAT scores on lack of school prayer

hmmm…this totally disproves the falling SAT scores meme:

Average SAT scores of Entering College Classes, 1967-2004

ETA this:
1952 to Present

31 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:48:56pm

re: #25 thedopefishlives

They need a spring of their own.

32 BongCrodny  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:49:30pm

re: #18 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey, what was the top movie for the week of April 10th, 2013 that would have been appropriate for people 10-15 years old.

Just consult the Naturom Demonto.

33 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:49:57pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…this totally disproves the falling SAT scores meme:

Average SAT scores of Entering College Classes, 1967-2004

ETA this:
1952 to Present

SAT TEST SCORES ARE GOING DOWN BECAUSE OF LACK OF PRAYER IN SCHOOLS AND WE SHOULD STOP TEACHING CLIMATE CHANGE PROPAGANDA AND DARWINIAN LIES IN ARE SCKOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

34 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:51:42pm

SAT TEST SCORES ARE GOING DOWN BECAUSE OF LACK OF PRAYER IN SCHOOLS AND WE SHOULD STOP TEACHING CLIMATE CHANGE PROPAGANDA AND DARWINIAN LIES IN ARE SCKOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FTFY :)

35 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:55:04pm

re: #34 PhillyPretzel

SAT TEST SCORES ARE GOING DOWN BECAUSE OF LACK OF PRAYER IN SCHOOLS AND WE SHOULD STOP TEACHING CLIMATE CHANGE PROPAGANDA AND DARWINIAN LIES IN ARE SCKOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FTFY :)

SAT TEST SCORES ARE GOING DOWN BECAUSE OF LACK OF PRAYER IN SCHOOLS AND WE SHOULD STOP TEACHING CLIMATE CHANGE PROPAGANDA AND DARWINIAN LIES IN ARE SKOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ZOMG!

36 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 2:56:01pm

re: #35 Gus

lol

38 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:04:04pm

re: #35 Gus

re: #37 wrenchwench

Holy Nutcase Text, Batman.

39 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:06:07pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Would be totally fun to have a #AskPamelaGeller twitter thing like the #AskTommyRobinson thing that happened yesterday.

Would not be fun, would suck. Any hard question to Pamela will get one answer:

U NAZI!!111!!! U JIHADI!!111!!

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:06:47pm

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

Would not be fun, would suck. Any hard question to Pamela will get one answer:

U NAZI!!111!!! U JIHADI!!111!!

true, but the questions would be GREAT!

42 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:07:20pm

We should have a moonbat font.

43 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:07:54pm

re: #41 Gus

ack. my eyes. /

44 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:07:59pm
45 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:09:59pm

I don’t get this ZOMG VALERIE JARRETT!!11!!11!! crazypants fixation that wingnuts have. Why do they have this idea that she is the PUPPETMASTER!!!111!!! controlling Obama?Where TF did that come from?

46 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:10:31pm

I don’t even think she has a bunch of money.

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:12:22pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

I don’t get this ZOMG VALERIE JARRETT!!11!!11!! crazypants fixation that wingnuts have. Why do they have this idea that she is the PUPPETMASTER!!!111!!! controlling Obama?Where TF did that come from?

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Because, if being a blah woman isn’t scary enough, she was born in Iran…

48 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:13:14pm

Later, lizards.

49 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:16:04pm

Meanwhile, in Libya:

Zintan is tired of the MB’s shit. I am 95% sure that the MB is behind the Prison Break yesterday, and the terror attacks today in Benghazi.

50 The Mountain That Blogs  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:26:59pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

THERE IS A LAWYER FROM CHICAGO WORKING IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!

51 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:31:39pm

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut Nontroversy Fauxtrage Du Jour:

ICONIC 9/11 PHOTO NEARLY EXCLUDED FROM GROUND ZERO MUSEUM FOR BEING TOO ‘RAH-RAH AMERICA’

Notice the word Nearly which means it WASN’T.

Also, this is promotional gossip for book by some wingnut.

Already being spammed all over Teh Twitters by Pammy, Bryan Fischer, Dim Jim & the usual gang of idiots.

The photo in question is Tom Franklin’s iconic photo showing 3 FDNY raising a flag at the WFC with the ruins of the WTC all around them. The curator didn’t think that this was an appropriate photo, but was overruled and it was decided that three photos showing the raising of that flag from three different positions be included.

I don’t agree with the curator’s notion about the Franklin photo. There’s a reason it was iconic and should be included. It captured so much of what people were thinking - rallying around the flag, the spirit of the FDNY and other rescuers who would then spend months just trying to find remains of their brothers (343 FDNY were killed) along with the rest of the 2800 killed at the WTC alone.

Far more outrageous is the fact that the WTC museum didn’t consider what might happen if the area flooded (which it did during Sandy - causing millions in damage and would have been even more devastating had the museum been closer to completion). Flood prevention/mitigation wasn’t part of the plan despite being below grade and in a flood zone.

52 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:35:20pm

re: #23 Archangelus

There’s also a belief that whoever among the Palestinians signs a peace deal that is anything less than what the PA/Fatah/Hamas have been demanding all these decades, that person will not last long - being assassinated by the true believers.

That’s a possibility among the Israelis as well; Rabin was assassinated by someone who thought him a traitor to Israel by even considering giving up any Israeli rights to Judea/Samaria (the West Bank).

53 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:44:35pm

Study Finds Only 28 Percent of Millionaires Think They’re Rich

The picture at the link kind of cracks me up though.

54 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:46:06pm

Who the hell is this guy John Naughton? Whatever this is: “John Naughton is professor of the public understanding of technology at the Open University”

Edward Snowden’s not the story. The fate of the internet is

The press has lost the plot over the Snowden revelations. The fact is that the net is finished as a global network and that US firms’ cloud services cannot be trusted

guardian.co.uk

It’s a plot! Do not use the internets! Ever!

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:49:10pm

Hola Lizards!

Bounced down the coast from Irvine after picking up a rental car. Just found the hotel in Mission Valley a little north of downtown San Diego.

Visited a small flight museum at the OC Airport. They have a B-17, B-25, A-26, and a few C-47. *All* in flyable condition. Will post photos once I download, though nothing of the caliber of Gus’ airshow snapshots.

Did a little wading in the Pacific as well. Beach near Irvine, and also stopped at San Clemente State Park. A pile of surfers there as well.

Time to take a shower and then find some food and alcohol. (Still sort of on East Coast time and feels like early evening rather than late afternoon.)

56 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:50:58pm

re: #55 Feline Fearless Leader

Hola Lizards!

Bounced down the coast from Irvine after picking up a rental car. Just found the hotel in Mission Valley a little north of downtown San Diego.

Visited a small flight museum at the OC Airport. They have a B-17, B-25, A-26, and a few C-47. *All* in flyable condition. Will post photos once I download, though nothing of the caliber of Gus’ airshow snapshots.

Did a little wading in the Pacific as well. Beach near Irvine, and also stopped at San Clemente State Park. A pile of surfers there as well.

Time to take a shower and then find some food and alcohol. (Still sort of on East Coast time and feels like early evening rather than late afternoon.)

:D

57 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:54:33pm

re: #30 Varek Raith

Governor Admits He ‘Does Not Know Enough’ About The Voter Suppression Bill He’s About To Sign

So in other words…he has to sign the bill to find out what’s in it?

(Note: I know the referenced quote from Pelosi is usually taken out of context)

58 urbanmeemaw  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:55:14pm

re: #9 PhillyPretzel

Or lock them in a room with recordings of Snowald and Sirota reading their “Best Of” columns on an endless loop.

59 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:55:31pm

re: #53 Carlos Danger

Study Finds Only 28 Percent of Millionaires Think They’re Rich

The picture at the link kind of cracks me up though.

Kind of makes sense to me.

They don’t want to be thought of as “rich”, rather as “wealthy” or “successful”

60 Archangelus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:56:41pm

re: #52 lawhawk

There’s also a belief that whoever among the Palestinians signs a peace deal that is anything less than what the PA/Fatah/Hamas have been demanding all these decades, that person will not last long - being assassinated by the true believers.

That’s a possibility among the Israelis as well; Rabin was assassinated by someone who thought him a traitor to Israel by even considering giving up any Israeli rights to Judea/Samaria (the West Bank).

A good point, but there’s a vast difference in that the murderous vile of excrement known as Yigal Amir and his handful of despicable supporters were members of a very small lunatic fringe. This is nowhere near the case with the Palestinian leadership, where it’s a case of far greater numbers within the Gaza Strip. The West Bank is a different story - that region has benefited far more from the Oslo accords, and as such are more pragmatic and know that total failure means they’ll suffer much more as a direct consequence of having more to lose.

I was there at the rally in November ‘95 by the way, during the first time I was in Israel for a few years with family (youth organizations in Israel like the Israeli Scouts or Hanoar Haoved were historically left-leaning in origin, all supported the peace efforts and organized groups to attend peace rallies). Like quite a few others there, I was near Rabin when he was shot.

At the time, the notion of such an assassination was literally unthinkable on all sides, in a mix of ignorance and naiveté, and everyone was genuinely, utterly shocked that such a thing could even be thought of, let alone happen. I still remember not being able to wrap my mind around such a level of naiveté - perhaps on account of being American and knowing about JFK and more world history stuff even as a youth..

61 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 3:57:40pm

re: #53 Carlos Danger

Oh seriously just fuck these people. If you can’t live on a couple of million dollars, comfortably, for many years, you have problems money can’t fix. If I had just one million dollars(and trust me, I have thought about this a lot- even budgeted it on paper), I could be out of debt, put both of my kids into trade schools, get my son some extra help with his autism, put some money aside for my grandkids, travel a little with my husband(just to see a few National Parks before I die), and STILL have money left over, AND be freaking HAPPY about it. Oh boo hoo, you don’t have 5 million dollars, just one or two million… STFU.

I was listening to the news this morning on the car radio. EIGHTY percent of adults in America will struggle with poverty and unemployment in their lifetimes. Many of those will never recover, and many of them find themselves in that position because of an accident or illness that even those with insurance find they aren’t covered for. I’d like to see some time and energy and freaking studies done on that. There’s really no excuse for AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! to have this happening. It’s bullshit.

62 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:00:06pm

I’m not sure how many of you are aware of this, but many evangelical Christians consider an Israeli peace treaty to be a sign of the End Times.

They believe said treaty will be a tool used by the Antichrist.

I swear I’m not making this up.

63 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:00:42pm

re: #61 A Mom Anon

Oh seriously just fuck these people. If you can’t live on a couple of million dollars, comfortably, for many years, you have problems money can’t fix. If I had just one million dollars(and trust me, I have thought about this a lot- even budgeted it on paper), I could be out of debt, put both of my kids into trade schools, get my son some extra help with his autism, put some money aside for my grandkids, travel a little with my husband(just to see a few National Parks before I die), and STILL have money left over, AND be freaking HAPPY about it. Oh boo hoo, you don’t have 5 million dollars, just one or two million… STFU.

I’d buy you a monkey…

64 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:05:48pm

re: #63 Eclectic Cyborg

Smart ass. I LOL’d though.

65 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:06:53pm

re: #55 Feline Fearless Leader

Hola Lizards!

Bounced down the coast from Irvine after picking up a rental car. Just found the hotel in Mission Valley a little north of downtown San Diego.

Visited a small flight museum at the OC Airport. They have a B-17, B-25, A-26, and a few C-47. *All* in flyable condition. Will post photos once I download, though nothing of the caliber of Gus’ airshow snapshots.

Did a little wading in the Pacific as well. Beach near Irvine, and also stopped at San Clemente State Park. A pile of surfers there as well.

Time to take a shower and then find some food and alcohol. (Still sort of on East Coast time and feels like early evening rather than late afternoon.)

Go to Old Town. You are close!

66 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:08:38pm

NBC: No plans to discuss Russian anti-LGBT laws during Olympic coverage

The head of NBC Sports has responded to calls for the TV network to put a spotlight on Russia’s draconian new anti-gay laws in its coverage of the upcoming Winter Olympics, saying there would be reporting of the issue but only if it should emerge as a problem during the games.

Mark Lazarus, chairman of the NBC Sports division, told an audience at the Television Critics Association in Beverly Hills that the issue of Russia’s clampdown on gay men and lesbians had already been dealt with by the International Olympic Committee. “The IOC has addressed it with the Russian government and has assured athletes, fans and media that there won’t be any issues,” he said, adding that should the new laws impacted any part of the Winter Olympics “we will make sure we are acknowledging it and recognising it”.

Yeah, lets ignore the oppression and torture so we can smile and talk about skiing.

67 Archangelus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:09:26pm

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

I swear I’m not making this up.

It’s OK, we believe you - I know I certainly have, as I’ve encountered that demented mindset before.

68 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:09:28pm

re: #64 A Mom Anon

Smart ass. I LOL’d though.

Sidenote: I don’t know you how many of you are familiar with “Can Con” rules, but basically Canadian radio stations are required by law to play a percentage of Canadian artists in their programming.

This is why, growing up I got subjected to way more Barenaked Ladies, Celine Dion and yes, Nickelback than any human being ever should. I suppose I should be happy I got out of there before Justin Bieber made it big.

Having said that, I still quite like BnL.

69 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:10:33pm

re: #66 Kragar

NBC: No plans to discuss Russian anti-LGBT laws during Olympic coverage

Yeah, lets ignore the oppression and torture so we can smile and talk about skiing.

I’ve noticed networks tend to stay away from controversial political stuff during the Olympics. Thankfully, the internet will provide plenty of that for us.

70 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:10:59pm

re: #66 Kragar

NBC: No plans to discuss Russian anti-LGBT laws during Olympic coverage

Yeah, lets ignore the oppression and torture so we can smile and talk about skiing.

This can only mean one thing! I will continue my long standing tradition of boycotting ignoring the Olympics.

71 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:11:46pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve noticed networks tend to stay away from controversial political stuff during the Olympics.

Easier to talk about which celebrities are in rehab.

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:11:51pm

re: #61 A Mom Anon

Oh seriously just fuck these people. If you can’t live on a couple of million dollars, comfortably, for many years, you have problems money can’t fix. If I had just one million dollars(and trust me, I have thought about this a lot- even budgeted it on paper), I could be out of debt, put both of my kids into trade schools, get my son some extra help with his autism, put some money aside for my grandkids, travel a little with my husband(just to see a few National Parks before I die), and STILL have money left over, AND be freaking HAPPY about it. Oh boo hoo, you don’t have 5 million dollars, just one or two million… STFU.

I was listening to the news this morning on the car radio. EIGHTY percent of adults in America will struggle with poverty and unemployment in their lifetimes. Many of those will never recover, and many of them find themselves in that position because of an accident or illness that even those with insurance find they aren’t covered for. I’d like to see some time and energy and freaking studies done on that. There’s really no excuse for AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! to have this happening. It’s bullshit.

Well, if you ever wanted to fire direct questions at someone in that demographic — shoot. I’m worth about about 1.7 M and do not feel that I’m “rich” in the sense of the BMW and Benz crowd.

Too much middle class upbringing, not feeling I need to own or acquire status items, and knowing that a catastrophic event could strip it all away. Flip side, I am relatively de-stressed since I know I can walk away from my job if I had to. I have a financial nest egg set aside for retirement. I have some ability to travel and go do things. AND, I do have a chance to handle or ride out events that would leave other totally screwed.

73 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:12:06pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

Sidenote: I don’t know you how many of you are familiar with “Can Con” rules, but basically Canadian radio stations are required by law to play a percentage of Canadian artists in their programming.

This is why, growing up I got subjected to way more Barenaked Ladies, Celine Dion and yes, Nickelback than any human being ever should. I suppose I should be happy I got out of there before Justin Bieber made it big.

Having said that, I still quite like BnL.

Does the law require bad Canadian content? Ian and Sylvia, Leonard Cohen, Bonnie Dobson, and Loreena McKennit want to know.

74 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:12:15pm

re: #66 Kragar

NBC: No plans to discuss Russian anti-LGBT laws during Olympic coverage

Yeah, lets ignore the oppression and torture so we can smile and talk about skiing.

By the way, it’s been arranged so cossacks are going to act as auxillary law enforcement for the Olympics.

What could possibly go wrong? /

75 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:13:09pm

re: #72 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, if you ever wanted to fire direct questions at someone in that demographic — shoot. I’m worth about about 1.7 M and do not feel that I’m “rich” in the sense of the BMW and Benz crowd.

Too much middle class upbringing, not feeling I need to own or acquire status items, and knowing that a catastrophic event could strip it all away. Flip side, I am relatively de-stressed since I know I can walk away from my job if I had to. I have a financial nest egg set aside for retirement. I have some ability to travel and go do things. AND, I do have a chance to handle of ride out events that would leave other totally screwed.

Can I have a monkey?

76 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:14:08pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

I don’t get this ZOMG VALERIE JARRETT!!11!!11!! crazypants fixation that wingnuts have. Why do they have this idea that she is the PUPPETMASTER!!!111!!! controlling Obama?Where TF did that come from?

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This amuses me given that many of the neo-conservatives who have worked for every Republican administration since Reagan actually were socialists and communists.

77 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:15:09pm

re: #74 Carlos Danger

By the way, it’s been arranged so cossacks are going to act as auxillary law enforcement for the Olympics.

What could possibly go wrong? /

Men’s figure skating could be won by the Canadian hockey team?

78 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:15:57pm

re: #30 Varek Raith

Governor Admits He ‘Does Not Know Enough’ About The Voter Suppression Bill He’s About To Sign

This ladies and gentlemen is the textbook definition of a tool. He has no idea what he’s about to sign it but he’ll sign it anyhow because that’s what the numbnuts that run his party want. What a pathetic joke.

79 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:16:14pm

re: #67 Archangelus

Yep, if the Temple isn’t rebuilt where the Dome of the Rock is then Jesus can’t come back, or some such thing. I was raised by end times evangelicals, I’ve tried to block that crap out as much as possible. When I was a kid, I got Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth and Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth books one year for my birthday. Oh boy, gee thanks Mom and Dad- I wanted a telescope, but this is just as good- NO. Ack.

So basically if there’s peace in the Middle East, that fucks up a lot of people’s beliefs/wishes/hopes/whathaveyou. Nice incentive there. Barf.

80 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:16:41pm

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Can I have a monkey?

I feel we abuse primates enough among ourselves without imprisoning other species of them.

81 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:17:46pm

re: #74 Carlos Danger

By the way, it’s been arranged so cossacks are going to act as auxillary law enforcement for the Olympics.

What could possibly go wrong? /

Will Anderson Cooper interview them?

82 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:18:45pm

Finally an online movement I can support

If you want a DREDD sequel, LIKE this page and SIGN the official petition at:
www.tinyurl.com/dreddsequel

83 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:19:33pm

re: #74 Carlos Danger

By the way, it’s been arranged so cossacks are going to act as auxillary law enforcement for the Olympics.

What could possibly go wrong? /

This is the Winter Olympics, right? Are they expected to pursue the French Olympic team to the borders as the games complete?
//

84 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:20:00pm

re: #80 Feline Fearless Leader

I feel we abuse primates enough among ourselves without imprisoning other species of them.

You’re talking to someone who just handfed a bunch of plamked-salmon dip crackers to a useless dog.

85 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:20:52pm

re: #83 Feline Fearless Leader

This is the Winter Olympics, right? Are they expected to pursue the French Olympic team to the borders as the games complete?
//

The biathlon will be last man standing.

86 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:21:38pm

Well what’s happening in Russia is a great reason to be thankful for the past activists who fought and the present ones that continue to fight for GLBT rights. Because if their American counterparts had their way, homosexuality would be treated here as it is in Russia. So yeah I’ll score another one for social progressive policies and score another demerit down for social conservative policies. It’s funny to see the right praising Russia though after all these years.

87 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:22:00pm

re: #85 Kragar

The biathlon will be last man standing.

Odds on Tarus Bulba running even?

88 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:22:07pm

re: #85 Kragar

The biathlon will be last man standing.

German cross-country skiers will set new records.

89 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:25:21pm

The governor of the Sochi region has a history hiring Cossacks to do his dirty work. Here’s an excerpt from a NYT article.

MOSCOW — The governor of Russia’s Krasnodar region, which will host the Winter Olympics in 2014, has enlisted the area’s Cossacks as an auxiliary police force, urging them to prevent darker-skinned Muslims from the North Caucasus from moving there.

Aleksandr Tkachev says Russians are “uncomfortable” with migrants.

In a speech to law enforcement officers on Thursday, he announced that as of September, 1,000 Cossacks would be paid from the budget to maintain public order. In the speech, he said the Cossacks — whose paramilitary forces served the czars — could take measures beyond what the police were allowed.

“What you can’t do, the Cossacks can,” he told the officers in the speech, which was widely circulated on the Internet on Friday. “We have no other way — we shall stamp it out, instill order; we shall demand paperwork and enforce migration policies.”

90 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:25:59pm

re: #72 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s what I mean though, you are secure financially unless some huge mega disaster befalls you.You’re not living beyond your means and whining about how you need more. And you’re ok, not trying to impress everyone and understanding that you aren’t beholden to a crappy job or whatever, you have freedom and don’t take it for granted. I’ll never know that feeling and I’ve worked since I was 15 yrs old(and I include my 20 yrs raising an autistic son as full time employment-because it is- I just don’t get paid in money), same for my husband. We’re blue collar, and that’s ok, but there is NO security for us, no retirement is going to happen, I don’t see how it’s feasible at this point, and it’s not because we were foolish or stupid. We followed the rules and did everything you’re supposed to do. Now we’re in our early 50s with a kid with a disability and I’m quite frankly terrified. We don’t have a lot of debt, but trying to get out from under what we do have seems impossible.

I just have a hard time feeling bad for people who don’t think they’re rich enough unless they have more than 5 million dollars. I’d trade with them in an instant.

91 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:27:05pm

re: #89 Carlos Danger

The governor of the Sochi region has a history hiring Cossacks to do his dirty work. Here’s an excerpt from a NYT article.

Sheriff Arpaio would look good in a big fur hat.

92 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:27:34pm

re: #53 Carlos Danger

Study Finds Only 28 Percent of Millionaires Think They’re Rich

The picture at the link kind of cracks me up though.

Related 28% of millionaires also delusional.

93 allegro  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:28:07pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Does the law require bad Canadian content? Ian and Sylvia, Leonard Cohen, Bonnie Dobson, and Loreena McKennit want to know.

Upding for Loreena McKennit. One of my top favorite artists since I first heard her music playing at the witch’s shop in Salem, MA in the early 90s. Wasn’t much impressed with the silly consumer items in the shop (I was looking for herbs), but the music was enchanting - I bought 2 of her CDs that day and ordered everything else she produced since.

94 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:28:24pm

re: #74 Carlos Danger

By the way, it’s been arranged so cossacks are going to act as auxillary law enforcement for the Olympics.

What could possibly go wrong? /

They are currently regaining a semi-official role in Russian public life and sometimes carry out self-appointed vigilante police duties which are now becoming officially authorized in some places in Russia, including Moscow.

I think I’ve found a job lead for George Zimmerman.

95 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:30:40pm

re: #85 Kragar

The biathlon will be last man standing.

Youtube Video

96 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:31:36pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Does the law require bad Canadian content? Ian and Sylvia, Leonard Cohen, Bonnie Dobson, and Loreena McKennit want to know.

Also upding for Cohen. The man is a musical wonder. Probably one of the most underrated artists around.

97 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:32:51pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

I think a job lead for George Zimmerman.

At least ZImmerman was (theoretically) within the scope of the law; these guys are sanctioned to intentionally work outside of the civil code.

98 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:33:50pm

re: #90 A Mom Anon

That’s what I mean though, you are secure financially unless some huge mega disaster befalls you.You’re not living beyond your means and whining about how you need more. And you’re ok, not trying to impress everyone and understanding that you aren’t beholden to a crappy job or whatever, you have freedom and don’t take it for granted. I’ll never know that feeling and I’ve worked since I was 15 yrs old(and I include my 20 yrs raising an autistic son as full time employment-because it is- I just don’t get paid in money), same for my husband. We’re blue collar, and that’s ok, but there is NO security for us, no retirement is going to happen, I don’t see how it’s feasible at this point, and it’s not because we were foolish or stupid. We followed the rules and did everything you’re supposed to do. Now we’re in our early 50s with a kid with a disability and I’m quite frankly terrified. We don’t have a lot of debt, but trying to get out from under what we do have seems impossible.

I just have a hard time feeling bad for people who don’t think they’re rich enough unless they have more than 5 million dollars. I’d trade with them in an instant.

Yes. It’s pretty easy to lose sight of how one’s problems are pretty minor in comparison to what others are going through. A lot of that I think links to who you interact with on a daily basis. Very easy for that to be a bubble that is fairly detached from reality, or at a minimum skews your view.

And since I crunched the numbers once I think the 1->5 million job for feeling “rich” is that if you went over to trying to live primarily off investment income the higher number is where you start having 80-100K of income per year from the investments. So you can live at an upper middle income level without having to actually work. Though, as you said, you could get quite far and live quite well off the lower number.

And I am also very aware that I have been getting by quite well while other Lizards are struggling with employment issues, familiy issues, health, etc. But I also know better than to continually whine about my petty problems in the face of that.

99 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:37:01pm

Women Have Reproductive Duty, Says ‘Rhythm’ Doctor

100 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:38:32pm

re: #99 Kragar

Women Have Reproductive Duty, Says ‘Rhythm’ Doctor

That’s a good argument for why the pill should be over the counter.

101 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:40:36pm

Look! There’s a rhythmic ceremonial ritual coming up!

102 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:41:06pm

re: #99 Kragar

Women Have Reproductive Duty, Says ‘Rhythm’ Doctor

“The women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.”

103 Bubblehead II  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:41:57pm

Evening Lizards.

104 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:46:21pm

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

Kind of makes sense to me.

They don’t want to be thought of as “rich”, rather as “wealthy” or “successful”

What gets me are the fucking comments. They’re whinging about taxes, SS deductions, etc. yet are living in the most prosperous country, at least economically, in the world. For some people, no matter how much “wealth” they have, it will never be enough. Yet they expect those less fortunate (who they don’t think “work hard enough”) to get off our asses and onto the wheel.

They brag about their “investment accts” and opine about $1M not covering retirement, but none of them ever say they can cut back on anything, including downsizing the house they live in by themselves, or buying quality “stuff” that will last, traveling less, or using up fewer natural resources. They talk about “wealth” and not income, like most people do who live from paycheck to paycheck and are strapped into debt.

I could live on my small SS check even though rent takes up half my income because there are areas I can cut back on, even if it means I will do without some things—but I will always have the basic necessities due to my own thrifty ways, and besides, I’m getting older and more tired, esp of this kind of bullshit. I’m more concerned about the tens of millions of young people who will never get some of the chances I got (small as they were) because the wealth gap in this country is widening more and more every year, or those thrown out of work because of the decisions of business owners, both small and corporate. If those who complain about people not “pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps” actually looked at themselves honestly, they would be able to list exactly how many people in their own lives have helped to accomplish what they have. Now, in addition to the phenomenon of that widening gap, we have to worry about the safety net being ripped to shreds to satisfy the greed of those at the top and the politicians who serve them, not us.

After the wealthiest have sucked us mere peons dry, they’ll go after the mere millionaires, too, the ones who really admire and try to emulate the most wealthy. I doubt if those millionaires will be able to understand why, though.

dallasnews.com

105 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:47:51pm

re: #98 Feline Fearless Leader

Everyone has problems, but not everyone has financial ones. Best wishes to you and I hope you continue to do well.

106 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:47:51pm
107 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:48:22pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

“The women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.”

Is this a really fancy way of saying he’s a boob guy?

108 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:50:31pm

re: #84 Decatur Deb

You’re talking to someone who just handfed a bunch of plamked-salmon dip crackers to a useless dog.

No dog is useless…just ask mine…

109 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:52:07pm

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

After the wealthiest have sucked us mere peons dry, they’ll go after the mere millionaires, too

Look, they want to take away the $1600/month pensions from little old ladies who taught 40 years in Detroit Public Schools.

110 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:52:44pm

re: #87 Feline Fearless Leader

Odds on Tarus Bulba running even?

oh my…Yul Brynner in that role still makes my heart skip a beat…

111 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:53:37pm
112 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:55:49pm

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

Prudence should be re-tweeting that any moment now…

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 4:59:59pm

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

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oh gee… what about THIS symbol TruthtoConservatives:

Image: giotto_crucifix.jpg

114 Bubblehead II  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:01:28pm

re: #99 Kragar

Women Have Reproductive Duty, Says ‘Rhythm’ Doctor

“Teen pregnancy might be a girl’s “destiny”, he said, and it was certainly not as bad as same- sex marriage.”

Yet both will get you ostracized by those who follow the catholic faith.

Asshole.

Anybody remember “those” schools for unwed Mothers? I do. My eldest Sister went to one and then “married” the asshole who knocked her up.

Needless to say, it was fucked up. Ended in divorce and both (Sister and Niece) ended up on welfare.

Yep, you christians sure have a way of taking care of the flock.

/// dripping

115 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:01:55pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

Prudence should be re-tweeting that any moment now…

116 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:03:54pm

re: #115 Vicious Babushka

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HE’S A KLINGON HUT! Hey if they’re going to go with Obama is everything I dislike why not go with fictional creatures too.

117 Bubblehead II  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:04:30pm

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

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What about the idiot that had the Romney/Ryan tatto done on his face face. Think that would be a good rebuttal for a tweet..

118 darthstar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:04:59pm
119 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:08:05pm

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

First I would upding that again if I could. And second I WISH we had “only” regained 45% of what we lost in 2007/08. We went from almost 6 figures in income to less than half that today. My husband has been laid off three times in 5 yrs, each job is for a little less than the one before it. I’m 53 and have been a full time mom for 20 yrs. Before that I spent my time in retail management, working my way up from stock clerk. I also worked in two factories, one union, one not. And I spent some time as a preschool teacher. I had a retail sales job for a pet food company about 2 yrs ago, it took me 18 MONTHS to land that job and I had to jump through hoops to get it. For a weekends only, 12 hours per weekend, 11 dollars an hour job with no hope of advancement. I interviewed with an asshole half my age who asked me 3 hours worth of stupid “what if” questions. I found out later he didn’t do that to other people in my territory, all of whom were younger and less experienced. Oh sure, it’s illegal to discriminate based on age, but I know my applications get shitcanned as soon as someone sees I was born in 1960.

I’m scared to death for my kids, neither one of them will do better than we were(and we were going to be ok, and then we paid for someone else’s shitty corporate level choices) and I feel horrid that we can’t help them. I try real hard not to get sad about it, but it’s hard sometimes. I’m just glad we were smart with our money while we had it for the most part, we own a car and a motorcycle outright, the other car is almost paid for and we have a little less than 8K in credit card debt. We don’t live beyond our means, we’ve cut out a lot in the last 5 yrs and we bargain shop like there’s no tommorrow. But if something happens to my husband, we’re screwed.

120 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:09:39pm

re: #117 Bubblehead II

What about the idiot that had the Romney/Ryan tatto done on his face face. Think that would be a good rebuttal for a tweet..

Heh. I like how also Obama’s logo is made out to be his personal symbol and frankly the swastika wasn’t Hitler’s either. Despite what a lot of people belive, Hitler did not form the NSADP. Now, there have been a lot of people in the past mainly monarch and ruling dynasty families that did in fact have their own symbols. That’s why the war of the Roses is called that.Since the houses of Lancaster and York each used a flower.

121 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:14:52pm

I’m shocked! A wingnut actually thanked me for correcting a Fake Quote!

122 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:17:50pm

re: #115 Vicious Babushka


oh my…stupid meets stupid!

123 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:19:40pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh my…stupid meets stupid!

@ToConservatives is one of the Good Guys, fighting the War on Derp.

124 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:23:03pm

re: #123 Vicious Babushka

@ToConservatives is one of the Good Guys, fighting the War on Derp.

I figure that…my comment didn’t come out correctly…
:)

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:24:21pm

re: #123 Vicious Babushka

@ToConservatives is one of the Good Guys, fighting the War on Derp.

Just wish he didn’t misuse complement/compliment…

ETA: on further thought…”complement” might be appropriate…

126 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:25:03pm

re: #98 Feline Fearless Leader

{Oaktree}, you’re a good dude.

127 wjlevin  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5:41:40pm

Has Abbas put a stop to the hatred preached on children’s programming? Will newly released murderers be feted by Abbas’ government, as those released previously have? A peace partner that glorifies murderers and teaches children to hate (unforgivable) make it clear no progress will be made.

For those who wish to argue that blame can be directed at all sides, please indicate where Israel teaches their children to hate and routinely glorifies those that target and murder innocent civilians - including babies (yes, there are pockets of idiots in Israel who have done that - Dr. Goldstein admirers - are a clear example.)

This is not a battle over territory - it’s one of ideology - plain and simple. Peace came to northern Ireland when the terrorists finally asked themselves “what have we become.”

128 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:04:26pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

I don’t get this ZOMG VALERIE JARRETT!!11!!11!! crazypants fixation that wingnuts have. Why do they have this idea that she is the PUPPETMASTER!!!111!!! controlling Obama?Where TF did that come from?

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I start hiding the sharp objects when people talk like this around me.

129 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:17:26pm

re: #63 Eclectic Cyborg

Youtube Video

130 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:22:23pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t forget The Tragically Hip.

Youtube Video

131 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:29:45pm

re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg

Also upding for Cohen. The man is a musical wonder. Probably one of the most underrated artists around.

Agreed.

Youtube Video

132 Bubblehead II  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:53:10pm

Night Lizards. Sleep well. What ever thread you are on.
May your Rock be warm and the Deity of Your choice smile down upon you.

133 palomino  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:57:03pm

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

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Jesus, people are stupid. The Obama rainbow is a campaign symbol…every politician who runs for office has one. It’s not Obama’s fault that his is catchier (or more relevant as he won two presidential elections.)

134 Flavia  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:03:46pm

re: #25 thedopefishlives

That’s the thing. I think a number of people would be more sympathetic to the Palestinians if they weren’t being controlled by what essentially amount to terrorist organizations.

I’m sympathetic to them even with the government they’ve chosen. I’m sympathetic to all the women & children, definitely. But I have also studied history, from both 60 years ago, & ever since Oslo. So, no, I am not in the least sympathetic to their demands. A totally different thing altogether.


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