The Downfall of the Limbaugh-Hannity Talk Show Axis Accelerates

Wingnut radio in trouble?
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I’m looking forward to the conspiracy theories the right wing blogosphere will concoct to explain this: Cumulus Planning to Drop Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity.

In a major shakeup for the radio industry, Cumulus Media, the second-biggest broadcaster in the country, is planning to drop both Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity from its stations at the end of the year, an industry source told POLITICO on Sunday.

Cumulus has decided that it will not renew its contracts with either host, the source said, a move that would remove the two most highly rated conservative talk personalities from more than 40 Cumulus channels in major markets.

The decision comes after negotiations between Cumulus and Premiere Networks, the division of Clear Channel that distributes Limbaugh and Hannity’s shows, broke down due to disagreements over the cost of the distribution rights, the source said. Cumulus is known to drive a hard bargain on costs, and Clear Channel is known to seek top dollar for big names.

As industry insiders caution, Cumulus and Clear Channel have come to the brink before during contract negotiations only to resume talks. But the source told POLITICO that Clear Channel was unlikely to reduce the cost for distribution rights to a level that would satisfy Cumulus.

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330 comments
1 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:57:20pm

ARGH… Was just getting ready to post this when I thought I’d check first. Now just waiting for Clear Channel to “Flush Rush” as his syndication company.

RBS

2 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:59:12pm

It should be interesting to hear wingnuts, who for over a year have declared that Rush is bringing on all kinds of advertisers and in no danger of being taken off the air, will respond to this news. My guess is they’ll try, with obvious sweat pouring down their foreheads, to argue that the bit about Cumulus and Clear being at this impasse before is enough reason to believe a deal will be hashed out.

3 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:00:15pm
4 BongCrodny  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:00:54pm

Ooh, I see dozens and dozens of little wingnut sharks, engaged in a feeding frenzy over the bloated corpses of Limbaugh and Hannity.

Couldn’t ask for a better example of the free market at work.

5 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:01:17pm

Cumulus is likely pretty pissed off over the amount of advertising revenue they lost in the last contract iteration. The boycott campaigns has driven away advertisers in droves, especially from Limbaugh, who’s made some incredibly outrageous statements. Cumulus understandably want’s to claw back as much of that money as possible from Premier since they feel that they paid a high end dowry for a bride that deliberately shit the bed.

6 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:02:22pm

It’s obvious, the blah/communist/atheist/muslin usurper used the NSA to blackmail Cumulus’ owners.

7 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:03:30pm
8 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:05:42pm

re: #6 Single-handed sailor

It’s obvious, the blah/communist/atheist/muslin usurper used the NSA to blackmail Cumulus’ owners.

That’s what the Freepers are saying. At least the ones who aren’t either A) sure that rival stations in the same markets will fight over signing up Rush or B) think that “the libruls!!!” have taken over Cumulus.

9 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:05:59pm

Guess the daily Rush/Hannity/Levin/Beck cycle isn’t quite the growth market it used to be.

10 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:07:00pm
11 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:07:18pm

Clear Channel thinks they can still get a premium price for Limbaugh and that another network will pick him up. Cumulus thinks they can slot another nut there that is cheaper and less subject to being too outrageous and keep their listeners (and thus advertisers and the associated income.)

I wonder when someone will get clever and get Sarah Palin a radio cooking program — except that every meal prep will be salad.
// ;)

12 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:09:53pm

One not so interesting thing about Cumulus is that its leadership team is comprised entirely of white men, lending credence to the idea that this is all about the money.

13 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:11:47pm

re: #4 BongCrodny

Ooh, I see dozens and dozens of little wingnut sharks, engaged in a feeding frenzy over the bloated corpses of Limbaugh and Hannity.

Couldn’t ask for a better example of the free market at work.

They have been doing studies on what happens to whales when they die, and some interesting findings have turned up.

14 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:12:15pm

Flushbo and Hanitize are not in Philly. philadelphia.cbslocal.com

15 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:15:27pm

Meh. I don’t see either one of these douchebags being booted off the air. Replace them with who? Someone even fucking worse?

16 efuseakay  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:17:14pm

FREE MARKET! Isn’t this the sort of thing the Teabaggers keep calling for?

17 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:18:47pm

re: #14 PhillyPretzel

Er… well… at least one of them:

Sean Hannity Has His Own Station in Philly

THAT’S RIGHT ALL HANNITY ALL THE TIME IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE DIRECTION

18 makeitstop  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:18:51pm

re: #15 Amory Blaine

Meh. I don’t see either one of these douchebags being booted off the air. Replace them with who? Someone even fucking worse?

The second-tier wingnut talkers (Gallagher, Ingraham, et al) have got their agents on the phone right this minute angling to take up the slack.

I don’t include Michael Savage in this group. He’s been too toxic for all but the RWNJ hard core ever since his short-lived MSNBC gig.

19 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:21:10pm

re: #17 Carlos Danger

He can keep it. And may his ratings fall like a stone.

20 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:22:00pm
21 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:28:10pm

Cumulus turned down my offer for an all-funk station hosted by George Takei…

22 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:30:05pm

re: #11 Feline Fearless Leader

Clear Channel thinks they can still get a premium price for Limbaugh and that another network will pick him up. Cumulus thinks they can slot another nut there that is cheaper and less subject to being too outrageous and keep their listeners (and thus advertisers and the associated income.)

I wonder when someone will get clever and get Sarah Palin a radio cooking program — except that every meal prep will be word salad.
// ;)

A screeching, incomprehensible, word salad.
:-)

23 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:31:34pm

re: #21 Carlos Danger

Cumulus turned down my offer for an all-funk station hosted by George Takei…

Oh my.

24 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:31:48pm

re: #15 Amory Blaine

Meh. I don’t see either one of these douchebags being booted off the air. Replace them with who? Someone even fucking worse?

Depends on what you mean by “worse”. Despite all the cheering what we are actually witnessing is media consolidation. As mega corporations continue buying radio stations, TV stations and news papers there’s less room for independent voices and controversial opinions. The programming is just filler between commercials for boner pills and detergent and anything that interferes with that will be avoided to protect corporate sales. Political talk radio won’t go away any time soon but what will replace Linbaugh and Hanity? Sports talk is still safe in local markets, maybe top 40 music programming bought from some generic media conglomerate. Whatever it will be it will be boring and safe. That’s why we don’t have Howard Stern or something similar any more. It’s not safe for corporate profits.
But that’s not all bad. Once radio becomes unprofitable for mega media corporations maybe somebody will find something interesting to do with it again.

25 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:36:34pm

O/T
My sister in law just came over to watch True Blood.
I don’t get it.
‘Twas awful.

26 Political Atheist  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:40:47pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Who needs radio anyway? Meh. A fading technology, going to decline in importance as we get more of whatever we want from online. How relevant is news/traffic radio if you have a good smart phone, Spotify or Pandora and Waze for traffic?

Seems so 20th century.

27 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:41:05pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

That’s why I always listen to shortwave! The man in the radio tells me the end times are upon us and we must buy GOLD or else the Zionists win.

28 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:48:30pm

re: #25 OhNoZombies!

There be vampires, the most beaten-to-death plot device after zombies.

29 Carlos Dangler  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:49:00pm

re: #26 Political Atheist

Who needs radio anyway? Meh. A fading technology, going to decline in importance as we get more of whatever we want from online. How relevant is news/traffic radio if you have a good smart phone, Spotify or Pandora and Waze for traffic?

Seems so 20th century.

Terrestrial radio is still relevant, it’s just whether what some stations put on their airwaves is.

It’s still pretty ubiquitous, even in the middle of BFE, and works even during catastrophes and severe weather (for the most part), when cell towers tend to go completely down or get overwhelmed.

I’ll never not have at least one radio handy.

30 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:49:30pm

re: #26 Political Atheist

Who needs radio anyway? Meh. A fading technology, going to decline in importance as we get more of whatever we want from online. How relevant is news/traffic radio if you have a good smart phone, Spotify or Pandora and Waze for traffic?

Seems so 20th century.

Wow, that’s a terrible way to look at it- it’s a cheap way to get local broadcasting across a broad spectrum of society. Not everyone has a good smart phone or even cable.

31 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:52:16pm

re: #26 Political Atheist

Who needs radio anyway? Meh. A fading technology, going to decline in importance as we get more of whatever we want from online. How relevant is news/traffic radio if you have a good smart phone, Spotify or Pandora and Waze for traffic?

Seems so 20th century.

It is a dying medium but not completely without value. Sadly the corporate structure of XM/Srius has killed to possibility of updating radio into the modern era. Well, at least Jack Benny and Baby Snooks are still available on youtube.

32 Political Atheist  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 7:58:33pm

re: #30 Carlos Danger

You have a great point during disasters or power fails. You do still have the rural areas. The long empty stretches of interstate.

Smart phones are finding a wider market all the time. As is access to the net via wifi, cable or optical or whatever. I just think it’s going to fade away like what point and shoot cameras are experiencing because of the decent cameras in phones. I’m sure we will always have small simple cameras, but it can be a big market or a small one.

Okay Rush has at his peak 20 million listeners. Out of something like 300 million people.

Now how many looked to the internet on one device or another for what they might have gotten from radio instead? Now it’s easy to listen to Rush or the news or music via the smart phone in the car instead of the radio. What happens when the audience for traffic news and maybe Rush just moves over?

33 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:02:50pm

College radio is still good in some areas of the country, but even the good spots are getting squeezed. One of the best stations in my area sold its station because of a budget shortfall, and now there’s three religious stations broadcasting the same exact programming on the dial now.

I don’t own a smart phone- so perhaps I’m biased. Government owned telecommunications bands ought to be governed in the interests of the people, and that kind of media conglomeration isn’t it.

34 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:13:06pm

Hannity and Rush both getting dropped?

Youtube Video

35 Political Atheist  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:17:26pm

re: #33 Carlos Danger

I’d love to see local radio come back. Heh my bias is I’m living in an entertainment capital. Sadly most of our radio band is big corporate. Broadcast? Don’t get me started. It’s so corporate tied in that Survivor is news on CBS2.

I’m booked again on a popular niche podcast. Show runs every week. Now that’s low cost indy content. No corporate stuff. Just us professionals using an inexpensive medium to get to our “local” audience. Local and popular meaning within our niche.

36 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:24:16pm

um so the topic to tonite is ‘The High Cost Of Morons’?

37 Carlos Danger  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:29:44pm

re: #35 Political Atheist

I don’t think because of the popularity of digital sources people should wave the white flag on broadcast, because it still has enormous influence. I would also hate to see the band balkanized between a handful of telecommunications companies, like UHF.

I’ve speculated that certain areas in the Northeast have healthier independent media because locals managed to retain a presence in both mediums.

38 alpuz  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:31:56pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Cumulus understandably want’s to claw back as much of that money as possible from Premier since they feel that they paid a high end dowry for a bride that deliberately shit the bed.

Thank you for that. First hearty laugh on a day that should’ve been full of ‘em.

39 cat-tikvah  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:32:17pm

re: #14 PhillyPretzel

and amen for that! Unfortunately, right wing talk radio still features plenty of obnoxious talking points bloviators. I’m hoping it’s just a matter of time….

40 jaunte  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:55:57pm
41 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:57:57pm
42 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:59:51pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Fixer upper time!

Also, I see Maureen Dowd was an idiot again.

43 bratwurst  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 8:59:53pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

As mega corporations continue buying radio stations, TV stations and news papers there’s less room for independent voices and controversial opinions.

Uh, political shows on AM radio are little BUT controversial opinions. Independent voices are another story, but if you turn it on tomorrow you are almost guaranteed to hear right wing hosts bashing the GOP and left wing hosts (the few of them on the air) bashing Obama.

44 Gus  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:00:53pm
45 jaunte  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:01:19pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Image: window.jpg
andymilford.com

46 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:02:16pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Cumulus is likely pretty pissed off over the amount of advertising revenue they lost in the last contract iteration. The boycott campaigns has driven away advertisers in droves, especially from Limbaugh, who’s made some incredibly outrageous statements. Cumulus understandably want’s to claw back as much of that money as possible from Premier since they feel that they paid a high end dowry for a bride that deliberately shit the bed.

God dammit Frank!

47 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:03:18pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

That mansion looks tailor made for a good old fashioned scary movie with Christopher Lee, Vincent Price and Scarlett Johanssen.

48 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:05:56pm

re: #47 SteveMcGazi

That mansion looks tailor made for a good old fashioned scary movie with Christopher Lee, Vincent Price and Scarlett Johanssen.

That would be scary.

Price has been dead for 20 years.

49 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:07:27pm

re: #48 Kragar

That would be scary.

Price has been dead for 20 years.

It’s amazing what they do with computers nowadays. Forest Gump shook hands with LBJ.

51 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:41:14pm


Heh

52 Lidane  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:53:14pm

WTF is it with otherwise educated people buying into the most ridiculous bullshit imaginable? I’ve actually seen links to some garbage screed by Pat Dollard (no I won’t link it here) about how ZOMG PEDOS WANT RIGHTS LIKE TEH GHEY and how the slippery slope to accepting child rape as a lifestyle choice has begun now that gay marriage is gaining public acceptance.

What the fuck. It’s like no one ever stops and thinks about how children cannot legally consent to ANYTHING, much less to a sexual relationship. Pedophilia is a crime and that’s not going to change just because two men or two women want to get married.

53 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 9:56:42pm

re: #52 Lidane

FUD, nothing more.

54 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:03:33pm

re: #25 OhNoZombies!

O/T
My sister in law just came over to watch True Blood.
I don’t get it.
‘Twas awful.

It used to be good. Now, if you aren’t a heterosexual woman or gay man lusting after the man candy, the show has nothing for you. I am a heterosexual lady, so I still watch.

55 teleskiguy  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:08:45pm

OT:

Wrote this tweet whilst listening to “The Road To Escondido” by the dearly departed JJ Cale, and Eric Clapton. I do love that album, such a beautiful synergy. Anyhoo, here’s the tweet.

56 Kragar  Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:29:05pm

My plan is working. I’m driving my wife and kids nuts.

I’ve been doing a Matt Berry impression all day.

57 funky chicken  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 12:27:04am

re: #9 Carlos Danger

Guess the daily Rush/Hannity/Levin/Beck cycle isn’t quite the growth market it used to be.

Well the article says Cumulus will just replace Limbaugh and Hannity with their own “talent” of Levin, Huckabee, and Savage. Yuck.

58 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 2:10:22am

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Depends on what you mean by “worse”. Despite all the cheering what we are actually witnessing is media consolidation.

No, it’s not media consolidation.

what will replace Linbaugh and Hanity? Sports talk is still safe in local markets, maybe top 40 music programming bought from some generic media conglomerate. Whatever it will be it will be boring and safe.

What will replace him? They said: Levin, Savage, other assholes. Didn’t you read the article?

59 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 4:12:23am

Here’s a whistleblower I can get behind:

courthousenews.com

Curtiss-Wright fired a longtime machine operator for refusing to lie about its practice of falsifying safety tests for commercial and military aircraft parts, the former employee claims in court.

Martin Caraballo sued Metal Improvement Company (MIC) and its parent company, Curtiss-Wright Corporation, in Federal Court.

Caraballo claims he was fired after he told an MIC attorney that if he were asked, he would tell the truth in a whistleblower lawsuit about the company’s practice and encouragement of skirting required safety tests for commercial and military aircraft parts.

60 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 4:25:03am

Inez is derping away, she’s an intern from Ann Coulter University.
Inez sweetie, I have read your “arguments.” They are freaking pitiful.

61 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 4:26:28am

*CRY* *SOB*
WON’T SOMEBODY TIHNK OF TEH WHITEZ & TEH MENS!!!1!!!

62 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 4:33:38am

You just knew this was going to happen eventually:

Breitbart turns viciously on Eric Cantor, because he is A Juice.

63 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 4:59:52am

After watching Ken Burns’ “The Dust Bowl” last night on Netflix, it made me wonder if the same type of phenomenon could happen again.

Are We Headed for Another Dust Bowl?
The devastating drought of the 1930s forever changed American agriculture. Could those conditions return?

Read more: smithsonianmag.com
Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter

Well, it struck me that an exact event isn’t likely to happen, and there are plenty of other areas that could be affected, not just the Plains, but it’s also amazing that the govt actually has to pay landowners (some of them actual absentees and simply investors) to do the right thing and not repeat history, just in another way. And I also prefer my food grown from seeds that aren’t genetically modified and infused with Roundup. Is that even possible anymore to be able to tell when buying, except maybe, just maybe, on a local level where growing can be more carefully monitored by those who buy the products? After all, those sellers at the local farmers market here don’t grow organically, and I suspect their products are just as full of pesticides and artificial fertilizers as any large commercial farm.

I’m just not convinced my original question can be answered with any certainty, either.

64 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:08:51am

re: #63 Justanotherhuman

We could have another Potato Famine like the one that happened in Ireland 170 years ago.

The Irish Potato Famine was caused by monoculturing the same strain of potatoes. When a pathogen attacked the potato crop, all were infected. Today we have gigantic factory-farm operations essentially monoculturing one specific strain of potato (for the fast-food chains) and if another pathogen attacks this crop, well, everyone is fucked.

65 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:29:12am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

If you can, try to grow at least your own tomatoes, there are still a lot of heirloom varieties available. And SAVE those seeds. You won’t always succeed, but it’s worth a shot, IMO. Grow them in pots, grow them in your flower beds. Feed them with composted cow poo, it doesn’t stink up the place like so many people think. Seed Savers Exchange and Seeds of Change have great selections of almost entirely heirloom varieties.

This year the only tomato I have that made it is a “chocolate” cherry, which simply means it stays partly green even when fully ripe. I have a few others, some died, and some seem to be stuck, not growing, not dying either. Stupid weather. I have a Lemon Cucumber(which is not lemony tasting, just round and yellow)that went nuts and some green beans. All heirloom and pretty tasty. I let my real veggie garden rest this year and used my flower beds and lots of containers for veggies and herbs. It’s been mixed results wise, but I do have a few seeds for next year. As long as you have a sunny place and remember to water and feed regularly, it’s not hard to grow at least a little of your own stuff.

66 twisty  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:30:23am

re: #61 Vicious Babushka

“Unfair” rape laws? I don’t even want to know.

society doesn’t believe that men have a voice

Barf.

67 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:31:50am

re: #65 A Mom Anon

If you can, try to grow at least your own tomatoes, there are still a lot of heirloom varieties available. And SAVE those seeds. You won’t always succeed, but it’s worth a shot, IMO. Grow them in pots, grow them in your flower beds. Feed them with composted cow poo, it doesn’t stink up the place like so many people think. Seed Savers Exchange and Seeds of Change have great selections of almost entirely heirloom varieties.

This year the only tomato I have that made it is a “chocolate” cherry, which simply means it stays partly green even when fully ripe. I have a few others, some died, and some seem to be stuck, not growing, not dying either. Stupid weather. I have a Lemon Cucumber(which is not lemony tasting, just round and yellow)that went nuts and some green beans. All heirloom and pretty tasty. I let my real veggie garden rest this year and used my flower beds and lots of containers for veggies and herbs. It’s been mixed results wise, but I do have a few seeds for next year. As long as you have a sunny place and remember to water and feed regularly, it’s not hard to grow at least a little of your own stuff.

My son in Toronto is really into this, starting his tomato plants from seeds and growing them indoors under a planting light until the weather is warm enough to plant. I just buy seedlings from Home Depot.

68 Dave In Austin  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:33:36am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

You just knew this was going to happen eventually:

Breitbart turns viciously on Eric Cantor, because he is A Juice.

Why do I feel like I need to go take a shower??? Ick… The slime…

69 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:38:59am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

A really stupid article.

My own family—we are Jewish immigrants of a much later generation—came to the U.S. because my parents decided they did not wish to raise children in a lawless society, which is what apartheid South Africa was.

Yeah, like lots of Mexico and tons of other countries in Central and South America couldn’t be described as ‘lawless’. For fuck’s sake, has this guy not noticed Mexican mayors and police chiefs being murdered by the narcogangs?

70 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:46:43am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

You just knew this was going to happen eventually:

Breitbart turns viciously on Eric Cantor, because he is A Juice.

Good gravy those comments….

71 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:47:33am

re: #65 A Mom Anon

I used to garden, organically; we even fenced it in to keep critters out. But now live in an apt and growing in pots just wasn’t happening on a balcony that only gets morning sun, filtered through tall woods. My landlord told me I could plant one in a glade in the back, but it meant a trek up and down a sloping path lugging what I needed and no one wanted to help, so I said the hell with it.

72 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:47:58am

re: #70 Varek Raith

I love ‘playing the Jew card’. What the hell does that even mean? Why is it that white people get so upset when non-white people talk about how their experience is different from the white mainstream?

73 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:49:58am

re: #72 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I love ‘playing the Jew card’. What the hell does that even mean? Why is it that white people get so upset when non-white people talk about how their experience is different from the white mainstream?

I thought Juice were white? Guess we are only “passing” after all.

74 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:50:18am

re: #70 Varek Raith

Good gravy those comments….

And Joel Pollak, a Juice himself, is also an immigrant, born in South Africa. So, at least his political ambitions have been stymied, first in IL. He’s going nowhere and now just shilling for the RWNJs. He’s no doubt a variety of the “I’ve got mine, fuck you” school of political thoughtlessness.

75 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:52:25am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

I thought Juice were white? Guess we are only “passing” after all.

If you really want to see the RWNJ’s explode - especially the Christian Fundie type - just see what happens if Netanyahu manages to pull off a peace deal with the Palestinians. The RW’ers will be apoplectic; their Rapture fantasies up in smoke.

76 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:53:10am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

I thought Juice were white? Guess we are only “passing” after all.

Jews are white when it’s useful to white people for Jews to be white, it seems to me. When they need to tack ‘Judeo’ in front of ‘Christian’, Jews are white. If Jews are talking about the moral imperative to feed the hungry or allow immigrants a fair chance, then they’re playing the “Jew card” and showing the streak of Socialcommiesm that runs through Jews.

Or, to put it another way, very few people who think that figuring out who is white is important think that Jews are white.

77 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 5:54:26am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

If you really want to see the RWNJ’s explode - especially the Christian Fundie type - just see what happens if Netanyahu manages to pull off a peace deal with the Palestinians. The RW’ers will be apoplectic; their Rapture fantasies up in smoke.

GUESS WHAT: Most religious Jews DO NOT BELIEVE that the modern, secular state of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

78 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:00:57am
79 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:01:22am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

GUESS WHAT: Most religious Jews DO NOT BELIEVE that the modern, secular state of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

True, that. The Christian Fundies get their ideas from that damned Scofield Reference Bible - one of the most noxious books ever written, as far as I’m concerned. It’s right up there with Milestones by Sayid Qutb, in my opinion.

80 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:18:45am
81 Dave In Austin  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:19:10am

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

Just stating into Reza Aslan’s “Zealot”. No wonder I’m hearing heads explode here in Texas.

82 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:21:16am

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

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He’s becoming mired in it. Buh bye to your political career, asswipe.

83 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:23:59am

re: #81 Dave In Austin

Just stating into Reza Aslan’s “Zealot”. No wonder I’m hearing heads explode here in Texas.

Heh. I’ll have to order it from Amazon.

84 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:25:49am

Does anyone still think the new Pope is more of the same old church pov?

Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?’

85 Sionainn  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:26:51am

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86 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:36:02am

re: #85 Sionainn

I’m in the process of starting my own medical transcription company and need to figure out what web host to use for a website. Does anyone have experience with any that you could recommend? Thanks!

I have been using web.com for 13 years, no complaints.

87 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:36:48am

re: #84 Political Atheist

Does anyone still think the new Pope is more of the same old church pov?

Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?’

In some ways, like being adamantly opposed to contraceptives, he is the same old. In other ways, he’s not.

He’s still, for example, also opposed to the ordination of female priests.

88 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:38:26am

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?

89 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:43:15am

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I’ll have to order it from Amazon.

I may get it from the library, though I’m not it any hurry. I really doubt there is anything too exciting in it if you’ve read any other historical Jesus works based on the (real) reviews I’ve read. I’ve read a whole lot on the topic from Borg to Crossan to NT Wright. One of the best comments on the topic comes from Crossan who stated that many authors writing about the life of Jesus “…do autobiography and call it biography”.

“We all see what we want to see and disregard the rest.” The Boxer, Paul Simon.

90 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:44:34am

re: #87 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Of course, reform would ordinarily come by inches in a large organization like that with entrenched views. Like the US itself. Some reforms long pre date the rest.

91 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:45:52am

re: #87 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He’s still, for example, also opposed to the ordination of female priests.

And then says that simply being altar girls or charity committee members isn’t enough of a role either. It’s going to be interesting to see not so much what he’s able to do personally but if he can change the culture at all - a much harder task but the only one that gives any long term chance of the church getting back to what it should be about.

92 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:48:34am

re: #90 Political Atheist

Of course, reform would ordinarily come by inches in a large organization like that with entrenched views. Like the US itself. Some reforms long pre date the rest.

The pope saying this doesn’t actually signal reform. If the Vatican stops opposing attempts to decriminalize homosexuality at the UN, that’d be meaningful reform. He could accomplish a very minor reform by issuing directives allowing gay men to be accepted as priests, which I’m hoping he’ll do, but that’ll still be a very minor step.

The new Pope is much better than the last one, but what’s sad is that his very moderate idea of reform shows how extremist the positions of the Catholic Church (not, note, Catholics) have become.

93 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:50:34am

re: #92 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Given the history I understand the tendency to dismiss or play down any moves in the right direction. I just don’t happen to share that view very strongly.

94 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 6:54:13am

re: #93 Political Atheist

Given the history I understand the tendency to dismiss or play down any moves in the right direction. I just don’t happen to share that view very strongly.

Huh? What are you talking about? How am I dismissing or playing down moves in the right direction?

What move has been made?

95 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:03:06am

re: #90 Political Atheist

Of course, reform would ordinarily come by inches in a large organization like that with entrenched views. Like the US itself. Some reforms long pre date the rest.

Change is also not uniform throughout such a large organization. Daughter Two was an ‘altar girl’ when we lived in Italy. When she came back to the ‘progressive’ US, she was not allowed.

(She did get to ask the Archbishop of Mobile “Why?”)

96 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:06:02am

re: #92 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The pope saying this doesn’t actually signal reform. If the Vatican stops opposing attempts to decriminalize homosexuality at the UN, that’d be meaningful reform. He could accomplish a very minor reform by issuing directives allowing gay men to be accepted as priests, which I’m hoping he’ll do, but that’ll still be a very minor step.

The new Pope is much better than the last one, but what’s sad is that his very moderate idea of reform shows how extremist the positions of the Catholic Church (not, note, Catholics) have become.

You have that dynamic wrong—the RC has not become extremist. It has just managed to hold on to its most of its extremism while the rest of the world has progressed. A couple hundred years ago the Church would hand over gays to the secular authority for fuel.

97 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:06:21am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

The US bishops are one of the bigger anti-gay forces in the Catholic Church, too, especially that shitheel Dolan.

98 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:08:23am

re: #97 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The US bishops are one of the bigger anti-gay forces in the Catholic Church, too, especially that shitheel Dolan.

Power largely derived from the US role as cash cow, for the present at least.

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:10:33am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Change is also not uniform throughout such a large organization. Daughter Two was an ‘altar girl’ when we lived in Italy. When she came back to the ‘progressive’ US, she was not allowed.

(She did get to ask the Archbishop of Mobile “Why?”)

Joseph Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago allowed Altar Girls because it was his belief that eventually the church would allow women priests and that they needed to be ready to take up their roles.

He was one the world lost much too soon.

100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:11:07am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

It’s all a rich and complex tapestry of fuckery. I was talking to an Orthodox friend of mine the other day, about why the Orthodox Churches have even shittier views on women and gay people than the Catholic Church (though it’s a hard-fought battle), and he posited that it was mostly cultural, that the Catholic Church at least had to slightly deal with the Enlightenment in ways that the Orthodox Churches didn’t.

I still think that the Catholic Church, especially in the US, has become more extremist over the past decades than it was before, with the focus switching more and more from poverty to how bad the gays are and those troublesome nuns and abortion. I think this may be because they’re in competition with the Evangelicals, but it’s still pretty shitty.

101 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:14:19am

re: #100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s all a rich and complex tapestry of fuckery. I was talking to an Orthodox friend of mine the other day, about why the Orthodox Churches have even shittier views on women and gay people than the Catholic Church (though it’s a hard-fought battle), and he posited that it was mostly cultural, that the Catholic Church at least had to slightly deal with the Enlightenment in ways that the Orthodox Churches didn’t.

I still think that the Catholic Church, especially in the US, has become more extremist over the past decades than it was before, with the focus switching more and more from poverty to how bad the gays are and those troublesome nuns and abortion. I think this may be because they’re in competition with the Evangelicals, but it’s still pretty shitty.

Ahh. You’re seeing a decades-long blip in the course of change. I’m talking centuries of official changelessness. That was one of the traits the pre-Vatican II church saw as a great strength. We’ll know in a couple hundred years.

102 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:17:01am
103 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:17:40am

re: #85 Sionainn

I’m in the process of starting my own medical transcription company and need to figure out what web host to use for a website. Does anyone have experience with any that you could recommend? Thanks!

I’d go with liquidweb.com or hostgator.com Both have good up-time & support, but it really depends on what you’re going to use the site for—i.e. is it just a “brochure” type site to tell people about your services, or do you have something more complex in mind? If any of the medical transcriptions are going to be stored on the server and/or emailed via the server, or if there’ll be a client log-in area, then security/encryption would definitely be an important consideration and a regular shared hosting account might not work for you.

Oh, and register your domain yourself. If the hosting company offers you a “free” domain, make sure that you’re the registrant of record and have full access to its control panel, and find out how much they’ll charge you to take it with you if you ever move to another hosting company.

104 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:17:43am

I think Libya is about to have a pogram against the Islamists. The Al-Watan Party is a conservative Islamist party (Think the Republican Party).

This follows yesterday where Zintan announced that they would dig up the graves of Muslim Brotherhood members.

105 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:24:28am

Late AM dogwalk. BBL

106 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:27:25am

re: #91 William Barnett-Lewis

And then says that simply being altar girls or charity committee members isn’t enough of a role either. It’s going to be interesting to see not so much what he’s able to do personally but if he can change the culture at all - a much harder task but the only one that gives any long term chance of the church getting back to what it should be about.

As someone who hasn’t practiced any form of religion for over 55 yrs, I think all religion in its various forms will gradually lose any prominence in life because in and of itself it is anti-democratic and authoritarian. Most people give religion only lip service anyway, as some sort of dishonest “insurance” that they can play both ends against the middle.

As we progress in science and reasoned thinking, religion will play an ever marginalized role in future generations who won’t want to be bothered with its irrationality and superstition. It can’t ever be “modernized” enough, even by fiat, because it would have to accept actual science, reasoning, and real exposure of what constitutes belief in a “supreme being” which is our own human behavior, not something that can’t be proved by adherence to ancient dogma.

107 Sionainn  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:27:58am

re: #86 Vicious Babushka

re: #103 CuriousLurker

Thanks!

108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:28:03am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

People have a genetic tendency towards religiosity, though.

109 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:29:02am

re: #108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

People have a genetic tendency towards religiosity, though.

No, I think we have a genetic tendency toward fear.

110 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:30:13am
111 Carlos Danger  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:31:42am

re: #110 Dr. Matt

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Brooks …McFly?

112 Joanne  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:31:51am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Abandoned @AbandonedPics

Abandoned Mansion, then and now pic.twitter.com/PkAmN1w1n7

What an amazing Twitter feed. It blows me away the stuff that peoplecompanies just walk away from. The island in Japan where Skyfall was filmed is crazy!

113 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:32:25am

re: #112 Joanne

What an amazing Twitter feed. It blows me away the stuff that peoplecompanies just walk away from. The island in Japan where Skyfall was filmed is crazy!

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You mean it’s not all just Detroit?

114 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:33:46am

re: #113 Vicious Babushka

You mean it’s not all just Detroit?

Unlike this island, people still live in Detroit!

115 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:33:48am

re: #109 Justanotherhuman

No, I think we have a genetic tendency toward fear.

Okay.

Humans have an ability to make wild leaps of imagination, seeing patterns where there isn’t actually ‘enough’ evidence to discern a pattern. A hell of a lot of scientific advancement comes not because people have soberly analyzed all the evidence, but out of this capacity for pattern-seeking that humans have.

The scientific method didn’t increase the creativity of man; scientific theories richly abounded before it. What the scientific revolution did was give us a good way of sorting through these theories, and raising a bar of proof for them.

That same tendency, to see patterns based only on a small segment of the pattern is, I believe, the same thing that makes people see a living force in the universe, a personal pattern, a mind at work.

I don’t think that humans will ever stop their intuitive leaps, their theory-making, and I don’t think that most people will subject their thoughts to the scientific method— I don’t think people will stop believing in ‘love’, for example. The same forces in us that make us able to see patterns in the natural world that are true and scientific also lead us to conclude things that are, in fact, wrong.

Does this help?

116 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:42:22am

re: #115 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Okay.

Humans have an ability to make wild leaps of imagination, seeing patterns where there isn’t actually ‘enough’ evidence to discern a pattern. A hell of a lot of scientific advancement comes not because people have soberly analyzed all the evidence, but out of this capacity for pattern-seeking that humans have.

The scientific method didn’t increase the creativity of man; scientific theories richly abounded before it. What the scientific revolution did was give us a good way of sorting through these theories, and raising a bar of proof for them.

That same tendency, to see patterns based only on a small segment of the pattern is, I believe, the same thing that makes people see a living force in the universe, a personal pattern, a mind at work.

I don’t think that humans will ever stop their intuitive leaps, their theory-making, and I don’t think that most people will subject their thoughts to the scientific method— I don’t think people will stop believing in ‘love’, for example. The same forces in us that make us able to see patterns in the natural world that are true and scientific also lead us to conclude things that are, in fact, wrong.

Does this help?

No, not really.

For instance, I don’t believe in “love” as society likes to think of it, either. I believe in sexual attraction, caring, respect for The Other, not necessarily in that order, but elements that should support each other. But what most people think of as “romantic love”? Not a bit. That’s usually a function of infatuation.

117 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:43:03am

re: #116 Justanotherhuman

For me, that is just boring.

118 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:44:31am

re: #116 Justanotherhuman

No, not really.

For instance, I don’t believe in “love” as society likes to think of it, either. I believe in sexual attraction, caring, respect for The Other, not necessarily in that order, but elements that should support each other. But what most people think of as “romantic love”? Not a bit. That’s usually a function of infatuation.

Okay. Well, I don’t think that most people are going to eventually disbelieve in love, either, so I think we fundamentally disagree.

But even leaving aside love, do you understand the bit about scientific innovation and religious innovation being rather similar?

119 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:54:41am

re: #28 wheat-dogghazi

There be vampires, the most beaten-to-death plot device after zombies.

Well, excuse the fuck out of me.

I write vampires and I do a damned good job at it too. Just because too many people don’t veer much from the ‘supersexy immortal’ archetype doesn’t mean others can’t write something interesting and entertaining with vampires.

Don’t see many people whinging about tech thrillers or mysteries which are, in my opinion, even more beaten to death than vampires or zombies.

120 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:55:53am

I just can’t comprehend someone actually believes the events in BENGHAZI!!11!! based on Fox.

121 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:57:57am
122 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 7:59:41am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

GUESS WHAT: Most religious Jews DO NOT BELIEVE that the modern, secular state of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

True. But the RWNJs in this country do believe that, and they “support” Israel accordingly.

Baiscally, Da Jooz are nothing but kindling for the End Times, but Israel has to stay intact for a while for God to come back and destroy it first.

123 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:01:09am

re: #81 Dave In Austin

Just stating into Reza Aslan’s “Zealot”. No wonder I’m hearing heads explode here in Texas.

I want to read that just because reading all the RW freakouts over it has me interested. I’ll probably add it to my next Amazon purchase.

124 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:02:14am

re: #122 Lidane

True. But the RWNJs in this country do believe that, and they “support” Israel accordingly.

Baiscally, Da Jooz are nothing but kindling for the End Times, but Israel has to stay intact for a while for God to come back and destroy it first.

The fundies are seething because Teh Juice don’t accept Jebus. Once in a while a really dumb Juice will accept Jebus (just like once in a while a Blah person will become a Republican) and when that happens THEY WAVE IT AROUND LIKE A BIG TROPHY!!!1!!

But the only thing that can make ALL TEH JUICE COME TO JEBUS is an apocalyptic Armageddon like that described in Zechariah 14 SO BRING IT ON.

125 piratedan  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:04:10am

re: #120 Vicious Babushka

I just can’t comprehend someone actually believes the events in BENGHAZI!!11!! based on Fox.

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hey now, you can’t go out there and just start citing sources and stuff for your reporting, that would be inethical and stuff //

126 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:05:17am

re: #125 piratedan

hey now, you can’t go out there and just start citing sources and stuff for your reporting, that would be inethical and stuff //

DONT U KNOW TEH SNOAPS IZ FUNDED BY TEH SOROSSSS!!!11!! ITZ ALL LIBRUL PROPAGANDA NOT TEH TROOF LIKE ON FOCKS!!11111!!!!

127 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:05:56am

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?

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Man, they really do believe ‘No True Scotsman’ is a valid debating technique.

128 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:08:16am

re: #118 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Okay. Well, I don’t think that most people are going to eventually disbelieve in love, either, so I think we fundamentally disagree.

But even leaving aside love, do you understand the bit about scientific innovation and religious innovation being rather similar?

No, because I think that in order to “believe” you must suspend rational thinking. Imagination has many sources, not the least of which is influence from the knowledge one already possesses and the willingness to go beyond it. I just don’t think “faith” has that capability because it just doubles back on itself in order to survive.

And I think you totally misunderstand my statement about “love”. All you have to do is look at people’s relationships to understand what I’m saying. The Weiner/Abedin situation is one prime example. Weiner, in spite of the outcome, could not control his impulses (behavior) and showed a great deal of disrespect and a non-caring attitude toward his wife, his child, and didn’t care about the consequences. No amount of “therapy” is going to cure that aspect, and “saving” the marriage won’t, either. Abedin can’t carry the burden of caring and respect by herself and expect this relationship to last.

129 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:11:01am
130 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:12:57am

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

No, because I think that in order to “believe” you must suspend rational thinking. Imagination has many sources, not the least of which is influence from the knowledge one already possesses and the willingness to go beyond it. I just don’t think “faith” has that capability because it just doubles back on itself in order to survive.

And I think you totally misunderstand my statement about “love”. All you have to do is look at people’s relationships to understand what I’m saying. The Weiner/Abedin situation is one prime example. Weiner, in spite of the outcome, could not control his impulses (behavior) and showed a great deal of disrespect and a non-caring attitude toward his wife, his child, and didn’t care about the consequences. No amount of “therapy” is going to cure that aspect, and “saving” the marriage won’t, either. Abedin can’t carry the burden of caring and respect by herself and expect this relationship to last.

Human beings will continue to “love” and to have “faith” even though it may not be rational. This is what distinguishes human beings from Vulcans.

131 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:14:16am

ALL UR INTERNETS ARE BELONG TO US

132 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:19:24am

Getting the popcorn ready now:

133 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:21:20am
134 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:22:08am

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

ALL UR INTERNETS ARE BELONG TO US

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SalonPlanet

135 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:23:49am

A fake terrorist says what?

136 andres  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:24:41am

re: #84 Political Atheist

Does anyone still think the new Pope is more of the same old church pov?

Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?’

Well, no and yes. He’s giving a whole new breath into the Catholic Church. OTOH, he’s just one man doing as much as he can. He’s going to need a lot of help from his flock to succeed on the long term.

137 Ian G.  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:25:50am

re: #129 Vicious Babushka

Hey, he might be a vicious dictator and a former KGB officer, but Putin is A-Ok with the wingnuts as long as he’s against teh gay.

On that note, why does the right have a problem with Castro? He’s got a human rights record only marginally worse than Putin’s, and he’s anti-gay as well.

138 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:28:00am

re: #84 Political Atheist

Does anyone still think the new Pope is more of the same old church pov?

Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?’

Yes, he’s still the same. He might not want to condemn gays to Hell, but that doesn’t mean he supports LGBT equality in the Church.

There are still too many things about this Pope that are the same as the old boss. That’s part of being Pope. They’re not going to select a guy who’s bent on changing the Church.

139 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:32:50am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Human beings will continue to “love” and to have “faith” even though it may not be rational. This is what distinguishes human beings from Vulcans.

Hmm. And here I thought Vulcans were an imaginary invention and humans were not.

140 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:32:59am

re: #135 Lidane

A fake terrorist says what?

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Side show.

141 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:34:27am

re: #112 Joanne

There’s an entire site for NYC area sites that have become abandoned, under utilized, are soon to disappear or have disappeared due to redevelopment.

Forgotten NY.

142 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:35:39am

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

Hmm. And here I thought Vulcans were an imaginary invention and humans were not.

The purpose of that fictional invention is to show the richness of emotions that enhances the human experience.

143 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:36:22am
[moonbat]Using encryption is clearly a smart move in this Orwellian era. After all, even with the NSA’s impressive codebreaking abilities, secure encryption still works. In fact, when done properly, it works so well to preserve privacy and lock data away from snoops that the government has now kicked off an aggressive campaign to turn the concept of “secure encryption” into an oxymoron.[/moonbat]
— David Sirota
144 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:36:43am

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

Hmm. And here I thought Vulcans were an imaginary invention and humans were not.

It’s interesting that a fictional species had to be invented to speculate what a ‘healthy’ people would be like without emotions.

145 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:38:00am

“Orwellian era…”

Mommy! I got a booboo!

146 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:38:09am

This happened in FL:

147 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:38:32am
148 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:39:20am

JUST LOOK AT TEH POORS!! TEY ALL HAV ENUF LEFT OVER FROM THERE FOOD STAMPZ 2 BUY NEW CARZ!!!!1

149 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:40:32am

SCIENCE!

150 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:43:56am

re: #144 wrenchwench

It’s interesting that a fictional species had to be invented to speculate what a ‘healthy’ people would be like without emotions.

Hey, I get huge doses of endorphins when I’m interacting with my 3 yr old g-grandson and others, and cortisol kicks in when my grandson, among others, is acting like a butthead, too.

151 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:44:26am

Orwellian. Does that include having to submit my private life to the Feds by way of Obamacare?

152 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:49:48am

re: #151 Gus

Orwellian. Does that include having to submit my private life to the Feds by way of Obamacare?

Nope

By way of George!

153 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:50:12am

re: #113 Vicious Babushka

You mean it’s not all just Detroit?

I played at a party on Saturday, and among the guests was a guy from Detroit who is heavily into urban exploration. He had seen photos that I took of an abandoned psychiatric hospital here on Long Island and asked me to take him there so he could photograph the place. We went over yesterday morning.

Apparently, the hospital is well-known to urban explorers. He invited me out to Detroit to explore some of the buildings there, and I’m sorely tempted to take him up on it. I love that kind of stuff.

154 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:52:57am

re: #152 sattv4u2

Nope

By way of George!

GEORGEBUSHOBAMAHITLERFEMNSACAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

155 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:52:59am

re: #153 makeitstop

I played at a party on Saturday, and among the guests was a guy from Detroit who is heavily into urban exploration. He had seen photos that I took of an abandoned psychiatric hospital here on Long Island and asked me to take him there so he could photograph the place. We went over yesterday morning.

Apparently, the hospital is well-known to urban explorers. He invited me out to Detroit to explore some of the buildings there, and I’m sorely tempted to take him up on it. I love that kind of stuff.

Yeah well, don’t try to urban explore the Michigan Central Depot (Detroit’s most iconic ruin), you’ll be arrested for trespassing. The Bridge Troll owns it.

156 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:54:15am

re: #154 Gus

GEORGEBUSHOBAMAHITLERFEMNSACAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EIEIO!!!

157 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:55:18am

re: #112 Joanne

What an amazing Twitter feed. It blows me away the stuff that peoplecompanies just walk away from. The island in Japan where Skyfall was filmed is crazy!

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Isn’t that where they filmed Sharknado?

158 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:55:30am

re: #156 sattv4u2

EIEIO!!!

And on his farm he had some chickens…

159 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:55:43am

re: #156 sattv4u2

EIEIO!!!

That was the acronym of an organization opposed to—something… in Oregon in the 80s: Enough Is Enough In Oregon.

160 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:55:43am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

Yeah well, don’t try to urban explore the Michigan Central Depot (Detroit’s most iconic ruin), you’ll be arrested for trespassing. The Bridge Troll owns it.

(Crosses Michigan Central Depot off list…)

161 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:58:22am
162 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:58:32am

according to the FlushRush movement over at DKOS they’ve done an effective job of bleeding Rush of advertising dollars on most stations. There’s been times of absolute dead air and most of the time the ads are PSA’s LOL.

163 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 8:59:34am

re: #159 wrenchwench

That was the acronym of an organization opposed to—something… in Oregon in the 80s: Enough Is Enough In Oregon.

DOWN WITH (insert your favorite cause here)

164 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:00:26am

re: #157 b_sharp

Isn’t that where they filmed Sharknado?

165 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:00:36am


Sirota RT’d that. Then Tweeted this…

166 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:00:37am
167 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:00:50am

re: #158 Gus

And on his farm he had some chickens…

Speaking of which

I think I’ll whip up a nice batch of Chicken/ Ziti / Broccoli for dinner tonight

Either that, or Chicken Marsala

hmmm,,, decisions decisions!!

168 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:00:53am

Then he went back to blocking me. Whatever.

169 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:01:22am

This is what Canadians have to put up with from America!

Comedy Central

Oops wrong picture. My bad.
Here it is:

Comedy network

170 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:01:23am

re: #163 sattv4u2

DOWN WITH (insert your LEAST favorite cause here)

FTFY

171 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:02:21am

re: #164 Lidane

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There is no bad Sharknado, there are only movies that wished they could be Sharknado.

172 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:03:03am

re: #166 Vicious Babushka

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What demographic group? Terrorists?

173 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:03:47am

re: #170 wrenchwench

FTFY

Overpriced Uppers.

174 Ian G.  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:04:58am

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

Did the genius who tweeted this stand in line behind the fellow with the green Chevy and watch him make the purchase? Because I’m curious as to how else one might know that someone is on food stamps.

Oh, right, the driver of the car is a ni*CLANG, so he must be on food stamps, and a welfare cheat, and a gangsta.

175 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:05:21am

re: #172 Gus

What demographic group? Terrorists?

People who make a bunch of phone calls to Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places where terrorists are known to hang out.

Could also include family members of military personnel in the area.

176 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:05:27am

re: #172 Gus

What demographic group? Terrorists?

Those who lack sufficient paranoia to believe the government is listening to their emails.

177 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:06:37am

*DERP*

178 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:07:10am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

*DERP*

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He’s an Islamic supremacist? Who knew.

179 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:08:07am

“True scholars of Islam.”

Ayup. Robert Spencer.

180 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:08:40am

BLACK PRESIDENT HAS BLACK HELICOPTER!11!!!!

181 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:08:41am
182 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:09:15am

re: #180 wrenchwench

BLACK PRESIDENT HAS BLACK HELICOPTER!11!!!!

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SCARY HELICOPTER SHADOW!!!11

183 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:10:03am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

The freakouts over Reza Aslan’s book keep getting better. Now I’m obligated to read it. Heh.

184 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:10:39am

re: #182 Vicious Babushka

SCARY HELICOPTER SHADOW!!!11

JUICE HELICOPTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

185 Ian G.  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:13:10am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

I’m conflicted on this. On the one hand, I’d like to see Azlan wipe the floor with Spencer. On the other hand, “debates” between genuine scholars and buffoonish demagogues rarely go well, as the scholar can never get a decent point in through the avalanche of bullshit from the demagogue. I’m thinking Paul Krugman vs. Ron Paul a few months back.

186 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:15:03am

re: #183 Lidane

The freakouts over Reza Aslan’s book keep getting better. Now I’m obligated to read it. Heh.

A lot of the freakout is that he’s a Muslim and that he portrays Jesus as less than the Son of God.

The standard Islamic view is that Jesus is a prophet of God, and will return at the End Times in Islamic eschatology. He is called ‘Messiah’ in the Qur’an. It’s just that the idea of Jesus being God incarnate, or a begotten son of God Himself, is considered paganism in Islamic theology. It violates the doctrine of the Oneness of God.

187 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:15:17am

re: #185 Ian G.

I wouldn’t go for it, myself. Robert Spencer just wants to get on TV and spout anti-Islam talking points. He’s not interested in an actual debate on anything.

188 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:16:15am

PLAYBOY: That stereotype of Jewish control has been around for more than a century. Do you actually think there’s a secret Jewish conspiracy at work in this country?

THOMAS: Not a secret. It’s very open. What do you mean secret?

PLAYBOY: Well, for instance, explain the connection between Hollywood and what’s happening with the Palestinians.

THOMAS: Power over the White House, power over Congress.

PLAYBOY: By way of contributions?

THOMAS: Everybody is in the pocket of the Israeli lobbies, which are funded by wealthy supporters, including those from Hollywood. Same thing with the financial markets. There’s total control.

189 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:16:45am
190 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:17:12am

Verdict on Manning at 1 PM EDT tomorrow. There’s a rumor of a planned appeal.

191 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:20:33am

95 year old dead after being tased by police in his nursing home

Youtube Video

Park Forest cops have a lot to answer for. And so does this nursing home.

192 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:23:22am

Good afternoon lizards!

I’m closing on sale of my house in 2 weeks and my sis-in-law and her husband are about to blow up my loan. I am pissed with very high stress. I cant eat.

193 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:23:51am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

It needs to be re-developed into something. Same building, different use (for the time being. Eventually, we will have to go back to trains. Cars are unsustainable.)

194 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:23:55am

re: #185 Ian G.

I’m conflicted on this. On the one hand, I’d like to see Azlan wipe the floor with Spencer. On the other hand, “debates” between genuine scholars and buffoonish demagogues rarely go well, as the scholar can never get a decent point in through the avalanche of bullshit from the demagogue. I’m thinking Paul Krugman vs. Ron Paul a few months back.

These kind of “debates” are always a bad idea, since the demagogue will invariably Gish Gallop all over the legitimate scholar.

195 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:24:42am

re: #193 ProTARDISLiberal

It needs to be re-developed into something. Same building, different use (for the time being. Eventually, we will have to go back to trains. Cars are unsustainable.)

The building is too deteriorated to be restored.

196 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:25:31am

Yeah. Good luck with that.

197 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:26:46am

NO INEZ, WE STILL FIND YOU TOTALLY ANNOYING.

198 darthstar  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:26:47am

Phoneless today. It’s amazing just how lost one feels (for the first thirty minutes or so) after realizing their email/facebook/twitter/surfline/temple run/instant message (and phone calling) device isn’t in their pocket.

I haven’t felt this naked since I brought my wife tea this morning. But at least everyone isn’t staring at me.

199 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:27:23am

re: #186 Dr Lizardo

And that is the reason I broke away from Christianity to Islam.

The Trinity. It made no sense to me.

200 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:27:26am
201 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:27:48am

re: #192 NJDhockeyfan

Good afternoon lizards!

I’m closing on sale of my house in 2 weeks and my sis-in-law and her husband are about to blow up my loan. I am pissed with very high stress. I cant eat.

Take a deep breath. You need a cool head, and you need a few calories.

202 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:28:07am

re: #186 Dr Lizardo

I think the fact that he’s Iranian and Muslim and writing about Jesus outweighs any theological differences between Christians and Muslims on Jesus.

The anti-Islamic bigots and religious nutbar RWNJs simply will not accept a Muslim writing anything about Jesus, even if they might agree with a Christian writer who says the same things.

203 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:29:17am

re: #202 Lidane

I think the fact that he’s Iranian and Muslim and writing about Jesus outweighs any theological differences between Christians and Muslims on Jesus.

The anti-Islamic bigots and religious nutbar RWNJs simply will not accept a Muslim writing anything about Jesus, even if they might agree with a Christian writer who says the same things.

What was the RWNJ reaction when Shmuley wrote “Kosher Jesus”? I know some Juice were unhappy with it. I totally ignored it.

204 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:30:23am
205 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:31:24am

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Really? No way to save it?

I don’t want a featureless glass box to replace it. And that seems to be what we build nowadays.

206 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:31:39am

re: #180 wrenchwench

BLACK PRESIDENT HAS BLACK HELICOPTER!11!!!!

Landing on the South Lawn —> pic.twitter.com/zfthdPHX0M
— The White House (@whitehouse) July 29, 2013

HOW MUCH IS THAT COPTER COSTING US!!

207 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:31:51am

re: #201 wrenchwench

Take a deep breath. You need a cool head, and you need a few calories.

It’s been a long stressful 2 months. I got everything the buyers needed done to the house last weeks and I finally was able to relax. Now this is happening. I don’t know what to do.

208 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:33:08am

re: #203 Vicious Babushka

What was the RWNJ reaction when Shmuley wrote “Kosher Jesus”? I know some Juice were unhappy with it. I totally ignored it.

No idea. I think I read somewhere that Shmuley’s book was denounced by other Orthodox rabbis as heresy and by mainstream Christian theologians as unconvincing because he treated Jesus as fully human.

I’d imagine the RWNJs were outraged, but I haven’t found anything to confirm that yet.

209 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:33:11am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Human beings will continue to “love” and to have “faith” even though it may not be rational. This is what distinguishes human beings from Vulcans.

And as John Ralston Saul points out, reason without the balancing effects of other, ‘irrational’ human traits, is dangerous.

210 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:34:29am

re: #198 darthstar

Phoneless today. It’s amazing just how lost one feels (for the first thirty minutes or so) after realizing their email/facebook/twitter/surfline/temple run/instant message (and phone calling) device isn’t in their pocket.

I haven’t felt this naked since I brought my wife tea this morning. But at least everyone isn’t staring at me.

Actually, yah we are.

211 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:35:12am

re: #207 NJDhockeyfan

It’s been a long stressful 2 months. I got everything the buyers needed done to the house last weeks and I finally was able to relax. Now this is happening. I don’t know what to do.

I have no idea what you should do either. I just know being stressed out helps nothing. Do you need to bribe your sister in law to cooperate?

212 Joanne  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:37:55am

re: #157 b_sharp

Isn’t that where they filmed Sharknado?

Really? Fascinating.

There has to be a Six Degrees of…womething somewhere in there.

213 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:38:46am

re: #211 wrenchwench

I have no idea what you should do either. I just know being stressed out helps nothing. Do you need to bribe your sister in law to cooperate?

It’s her husband. I have to give them money for the land. She is supposed to sign a quitclaim for her little piece of land next to ours at closing and now her husband wants us to pay over twice as much as its worth. I do not have it.

214 Joanne  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:40:28am

re: #164 Lidane

Tara Reid says this isn’t true.

Must be a bitch having a career that went from 10 to zip, that you have to defend yourself to be in a prime stinker #2.

215 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:40:49am
216 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:42:03am
217 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:42:39am

re: #212 Joanne

Really? Fascinating.

There has to be a Six Degrees of…womething somewhere in there.

I have no idea, but some scenes look an awful lot like it.

218 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:43:28am

re: #168 Gus

Then he went back to blocking me. Whatever.

The act of a true weenie.

219 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:43:44am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Human beings will continue to “love” and to have “faith” even though it may not be rational. This is what distinguishes human beings from Vulcans.

All the faith in the world, though, doesn’t change the fact that a falsehood is a falsehood.

220 Ian G.  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:43:50am

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan

There’s a mini-storage company that papers the subway with ads that walk the fine line between clever and stupid. They’re going to have a field day with Weiner.

221 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:44:48am

re: #213 NJDhockeyfan

It’s her husband. I have to give them money for the land. She is supposed to sign a quitclaim for her little piece of land next to ours at closing and now her husband wants us to pay over twice as much as its worth. I do not have it.

It comes down to negotiation. He has the advantage of knowing you are under a big time constraint. Somehow you need to convince him that you don’t care as much as he thinks you do, and that he could end up with nothing.

Is there any way you can sell the house and not his piece of land?

222 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:46:07am

re: #219 SidewaysQuark

All the faith in the world, though, doesn’t change the fact that a falsehood is a falsehood.

You’re a Vulcan, aren’t you.

223 geoffm33  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:46:33am

re: #216 Lidane

This calls for MOAR BENGHAZI

224 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:47:12am

re: #222 wrenchwench

And I am Romantic-Minded Muslim. If that is irrational, I don’t want to be right.

225 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:49:00am

re: #223 geoffm33

Ah, so now they are using Benghazi as punchline. Glad to see they are so concerned about the dead Americans.

226 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:51:53am
227 Mattand  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:56:50am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

*DERP*

.@foxnews Have scholar Robert Spencer debate Islamic supremacist Reza Aslan.Why blacklist true scholars of Islam? @seanhannity #laurengreen

Jesus Christ, that’s like saying the Klan are experts on African Americans.

Wow. How do these people not wet themselves constantly over the course of the day?

228 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:56:56am

re: #207 NJDhockeyfan

Get a lawyer who’s not just interested in the closing fee.

229 jaunte  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:58:11am

He was getting cigarettes out of his mother’s car.

230 Mattand  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:59:37am

re: #213 NJDhockeyfan

It’s her husband. I have to give them money for the land. She is supposed to sign a quitclaim for her little piece of land next to ours at closing and now her husband wants us to pay over twice as much as its worth. I do not have it.

Without getting too personal, I’m guessing the SIL is your wife’s sister? Is there any negotiating that side of the family can do?

Really sorry to hear about that. Maybe just threatening a lawsuit will make him back down.

231 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:00:53am

re: #222 wrenchwench

You’re a Vulcan, aren’t you.

Yes, yes he is.

232 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:01:33am

re: #146 lawhawk

This happened in FL:

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re: #229 jaunte

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He was getting cigarettes out of his mother’s car.

Cigarettes are the new Skittles.

233 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:05:05am

re: #227 Mattand

So Reza Aslan, Ph.D has now been elevated to ‘Islamic supremacist’?

234 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:06:16am

re: #233 Dr. Matt

So Reza Aslan, Ph.D has now been elevated to ‘Islamic supremacist’?

Anyone who doesn’t immediately hate all things Islam is an ‘Islamic supremacist’ and possibly stealth jihadi.

235 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:10:19am

re: #180 wrenchwench

Only counts if he’s got Flight of the Valkyries playing to 11TY!

Youtube Video

236 Kragar  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:12:06am

Robertson Fears Christians Will Go to Jail for Saving Gays from Hell, Stopping them from Destroying Country

He asked: “If there are 100 million Christians in America, maximum two percent of the population are homosexual and one percent are lesbian, is that minority going to destroy all of the foundations of the morality of the majority?”

Robertson said that Christians may soon be imprisoned over their “loving” anti-gay stance.

“If you see somebody who is not going to go to Heaven and you really love him you want to do what it takes to get him into Heaven, if you don’t care about him you let him go to Hell,” Robertson continued. “We are a people who love and yet now your love is going to put you in jail because the people who are going to Hell feel their lifestyle—think, ‘well, we want to be affirmed.’”

237 Mattand  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:12:34am

re: #233 Dr. Matt

So Reza Aslan, Ph.D has now been elevated to ‘Islamic supremacist’?

Geller’s Tweet is saying Robert Spencer as an expert on Islam. Robert Spencer is an anti Muslim bigot of the worst degree.

I stand by my assertion that calling Robert Spencer an expert on Islam is no different than saying the KKK are experts on African Americans.

238 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:13:45am
239 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:14:34am

re: #237 Mattand

Geller’s Tweet is saying Robert Spencer as an expert on Islam. Robert Spencer is an anti Muslim bigot of the worst degree.

I stand by my assertion that calling Robert Spencer an expert on Islam is no different than saying the KKK are experts on African Americans.

There’s a lot of self fancied “Islam experts” I’ve noticed like Spencer.

240 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:14:35am

I feel the need to gripe for a second.

My Mom thinks its a poor idea for me to use Muslim Matchmaker Dating sites. I personally don’t want to, but when I said what I am looking for in a lady my age, the friend bluntly told me that it would be extremely hard to find in the Denver-area Muslim community.

At which point my Mom barreled on, saying I should use one of those match-making firms (I’m unemployed, looking for a decent-paying job in the Denver Metro, preferably in my field, so no money), or that their must be mixers or something for the Muslim Community (aside from more than significant mis-understandings on how the Muslim Communities work, we also bounce into the same problem with community at large. Also, I seize up and shut down in groups of more than 10 people. Not going to work.)

All this because my Uncle has had rotten luck online.

241 klys  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:15:20am

re: #235 lawhawk

Only counts if he’s got Flight of the Valkyries playing to 11TY!

[Embedded content]

That’s the song you play to troll Caltech graduates.

It makes them all twitch. (They play it during exam week to make sure people aren’t sleeping through the day and missing turn-in times, since all exams are take-home.)

242 Kragar  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:15:55am

Why The GOP Won’t Let Congress Fix The Voting Rights Act

“Ain’t gonna happen,” Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) said late last week, according to Roll Call.

A recent House Judiciary Committee hearing made clear that Republicans have little to no interest in reconstituting the Voting Rights Act. Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-TX) opened by emphasizing that even after the Supreme Court’s decision, “other very important provisions of the Voting Rights Act remain in place.”

At issue is the Voting Rights Act’s now-invalid Section 4, the formula used to determine which state and local governments must receive federal pre-approval before changing their voting laws. It was last reauthorized in 2006 by a 98-0 margin in the Senate and 390-33 in the House. But for Republicans, there’s a huge difference between allowing the renewal of a historic law for racial equality, and going out their way to reconstitute it now that the Supreme Court has thrown out part of it.

“Historically I fully understand why they addressed the situations they did,” Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ), chairman of the Judiciary Constitution and Civil Justice subcommittee, which has jurisdiction over the issue, told reporters. “I am just of the opinion today that we should do as the court said and that is to not focus on punishing the past but on building a better future.”

Attempting to fix the law would require Republicans to give public scrutiny to racial disparity in the party’s geographic base. And it would require backtracking on years of political rhetoric warning of federal government overreach and downplaying racial inequality. On top of that, conservative legal scholars believe the concept of preclearance is unconstitutional.

“There’s no reason for Congress to take any action,” Hans von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said at the Judiciary hearing.

243 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:16:42am

re: #236 Kragar

Robertson Fears Christians Will Go to Jail for Saving Gays from Hell, Stopping them from Destroying Country

Would someone please put that man out of our misery. Find a nice home for him where he can no longer hurt himself.

244 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:18:13am

re: #242 Kragar

Why The GOP Won’t Let Congress Fix The Voting Rights Act

You know the whole section 4 is about punishing the South would make some senes if you know southern states weren’t engaging in the same shenanigans that led to the law’s implementation in the first place.

245 jaunte  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:19:14am

Bob Cesca on the Greenwald “outrage sandwich”:

…two outrageous claims surrounding a throw-away mention of delicious, meaty truth that mitigates the outrageousness of the two claims.

“It’s done with no need to go to court, no need to get approval. There are legal constraints for spying on Americans, you can’t target them without going to the FISA court. But it allows them to listen to whatever e-mails they want, telephone calls, browsing history, microsoft word documents.”

Put another way: No need for court oversight! (But there’s court oversight and warrants.) They can listen to whatever they want! In the midst of inciting outrage, these mitigating news blips manage to pop up in nearly every article. But the blips are considerably out-gunned by all of the bloated hyperbole preceding and following each one.
thedailybanter.com

246 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:19:32am

re: #240 ProTARDISLiberal

I feel the need to gripe for a second.

My Mom thinks its a poor idea for me to use Muslim Matchmaker Dating sites. I personally don’t want to, but when I said what I am looking for in a lady my age, the friend bluntly told me that it would be extremely hard to find in the Denver-area Muslim community.

At which point my Mom barreled on, saying I should use one of those match-making firms (I’m unemployed, looking for a decent-paying job in the Denver Metro, preferably in my field, so no money), or that their must be mixers or something for the Muslim Community (aside from more than significant mis-understandings on how the Muslim Communities work, we also bounce into the same problem with community at large. Also, I seize up and shut down in groups of more than 10 people. Not going to work.)

All this because my Uncle has had rotten luck online.

I’d honestly advise you to look outside your religious faith for someone. As an agnostic, I know that chances are if I find someone, she’ll either be religious or atheist. If I were using the dating sites, I’d try to find someone I shared common interests i.e. music, entertainment, etc with.

247 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:20:53am
248 Mattand  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:21:04am

re: #236 Kragar

Robertson Fears Christians Will Go to Jail for Saving Gays from Hell, Stopping them from Destroying Country

I just got done arguing with someone who insisted that Australia banning an upcoming videogame is happening because they are not allowed access to guns, and they’re on their way to becoming an enslaved dictatorship.

He then insisted he’s not a conservative.

The paranoid fantasies conservatives and the religious have cocooned themselves in since Obama got elected really, really, has me worried for the future of this country.

If these guys get back into power, the damage conservatives did to the US from 2001 to 2008 is going to seem like spilled milk in comparison.

249 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:21:50am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

And then I received the received different advice from the friend in Denver.

To use one of those new-fangled Muslim Matchmaking sites.

250 geoffm33  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:22:59am

re: #242 Kragar

Why The GOP Won’t Let Congress Fix The Voting Rights Act

Oh, well that settles that //

251 darthstar  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:23:58am

re: #229 jaunte

[Embedded content]

He was getting cigarettes out of his mother’s car.

Guilty of BWIF (Black while in Florida). Sorry Floridians, but your state’s fucked up.

252 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:25:36am

re: #249 ProTARDISLiberal

Also, my faith is important to me, and I want someone I can share it with. My faith qualifies as an interest. Something to bond over.

253 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:26:27am

re: #249 ProTARDISLiberal

And then I received the received different advice from the friend in Denver.

To use one of those new-fangled Muslim Matchmaking sites.

Whatever makes you happy. I just think you’d be happiest if you looked outside your faith. I’m not a particularly religious person but I’d be happy dating a Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Protestant, if I felt we were otherwise compatible. Of course, some religions make that harder than others since I’m a big social drinker.

254 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:27:01am

re: #252 ProTARDISLiberal

Also, my faith is important to me, and I want someone I can share it with. My faith qualifies as an interest. Something to bond over.

I see. Fair enough. I just think that limits your chances.

255 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:27:02am

re: #230 Mattand

Without getting too personal, I’m guessing the SIL is your wife’s sister? Is there any negotiating that side of the family can do?

Really sorry to hear about that. Maybe just threatening a lawsuit will make him back down.

No, her husband is being a real asshole and she wont stand up to him. I just talked to my re agent and the buyers are about to cancel the contract. I’m fucked.

256 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:27:54am

The NRA is certainly eerily quiet lately with all the gun crimes as of late.

257 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:28:55am

re: #248 Mattand

I just got done arguing with someone who insisted that Australia banning an upcoming videogame is happening because they are not allowed access to guns, and they’re on their way to becoming an enslaved dictatorship.

He then insisted he’s not a conservative.

The paranoid fantasies conservatives and the religious have cocooned themselves in since Obama got elected really, really, has me worried for the future of this country.

If these guys get back into power, the damage conservatives did to the US from 2001 to 2008 is going to seem like spilled milk in comparison.

Conservatism has become much more reactionary with Obama in office. Where as conservatism in the past may have been about averting rapid change, conservatism that we see now seems to be about turning back the clock on progress. I’ll tell you one of the most disturbing things I’ve witnessed is the mainstreaming of Republican candidates who oppose abortion in all situations, candidates who find birth control something that should be outlawed, etc.

258 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:29:26am

This should be interesting:

259 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:29:33am

RIP Governor William Scranton

William Scranton, a former Pennsylvania governor, presidential candidate and ambassador to the United Nations, has died. He was 96.
Family spokesman Mike DeVanney says Scranton died Sunday night of a cerebral hemorrhage at a retirement community in Montecito, Calif.
Scranton was Pennsylvania’s 38th governor, serving one term from 1963 to 1967.
The moderately liberal Republican challenged conservative Barry Goldwater in 1964 during a brief foray into presidential politics. Scranton declared his candidacy just a month before the national convention and lost the nomination to Goldwater by a 4-to-1 margin.

Yes, kids, there used to be such a thing as a “moderately liberal Republican.”

260 freetoken  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:31:05am

re: #258 Lidane

I have yet to read anyone who points out what Aslan is claiming is not fundamentally different than Bart Ehrman states, who basically repackaged what Schweitzer wrote a hundred years ago.

261 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:31:43am

re: #259 Shiplord Kirel

RIP Governor William Scranton

If the GOP had gone in his rather than Goldwater’s direction, this country would be better off. RIP Governor and thanks for serving the home state of my grandparents well,

262 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:31:48am

re: #202 Lidane

I think the fact that he’s Iranian and Muslim and writing about Jesus outweighs any theological differences between Christians and Muslims on Jesus.

The anti-Islamic bigots and religious nutbar RWNJs simply will not accept a Muslim writing anything about Jesus, even if they might agree with a Christian writer who says the same things.

I thought I read he became Catholic at around age 15.

263 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:31:53am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Conservatism has become much more reactionary with Obama in office.

That’s an understatement.

I thought the right wing were nuts when Clinton was in office. Boy, was I naive. They completely lost their godddamn minds when a black man with an African name beat the old white war hero to become POTUS.

I knew there would be a sizeable portion of this country that flipped their shit when the first minority candidate won the White House, but I had no idea it would be this insane.

264 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:32:46am

re: #262 Eventual Carrion

I thought I read he became Catholic at around age 15.

I think he converted to Christianity at one point, but he identifies as Muslim. That’s what I’m going with now.

265 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:34:40am

re: #263 Lidane

That’s an understatement.

I thought the right wing were nuts when Clinton was in office. Boy, was I naive. They completely lost their godddamn minds when a black man with an African name beat the old white war hero to become POTUS.

I knew there would be a sizeable portion of this country that flipped their shit when the first minority candidate won the White House, but I had no idea it would be this insane.

I don’t think any of us knew it would get this nuts. But you are right, they were insane in the 90’s too.

266 Carlos Danger  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:35:07am

re: #259 Shiplord Kirel

RIP Governor William Scranton

Yes, kids, there used to be such a thing as a “moderately liberal Republican.”

Yeah, Pennsylvania Republicans weren’t always sucko. It was actually a Republican, if I remember right, who came up with the State Game Lands.

OMG, Socialised Hunting Grounds!

267 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:35:41am

re: #259 Shiplord Kirel

RIP Governor William Scranton

Yes, kids, there used to be such a thing as a “moderately liberal Republican.”

Damn. He was still alive? There’s a name that goes way, way, back. 96 years old he was.

268 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:37:16am

motherjones.com
In which Mitt Romney denies ever having said the now infamous 47% comment. I think Mitt just may be plain delusional. Really dude we all heard what you said on that tape. Own up to it and stop lying to us but more importantly stop lying to yourself. You got your ass handed to you by Obama because you weren’t cut out to be president.

269 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:37:29am

Heh:

270 Ian G.  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:38:08am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

You know the whole section 4 is about punishing the South would make some senes if you know southern states weren’t engaging in the same shenanigans that led to the law’s implementation in the first place.

I’d just say call their bluff and make something akin to pre-clearance apply to all 50 states. I mean, the right has its targets on northern states anyway. The Unskewed polls loon claimed that voter fraud (aka voting while black) was rampant in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Don’t think the right won’t try to disenfranchise the entire cities of Philadelphia and Cleveland if they can.

271 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:39:10am

Is Fox seriously implying that because Aslan is a Muslim he can’t write a book on Christ? Yeah because no one of a different religious or in some cases no religious faith has written a book about that? God Fox is almost like a parody of itself sometimes.

272 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:40:41am

re: #137 Ian G.

Hey, he might be a vicious dictator and a former KGB officer, but Putin is A-Ok with the wingnuts as long as he’s against teh gay.

On that note, why does the right have a problem with Castro? He’s got a human rights record only marginally worse than Putin’s, and he’s anti-gay as well.

The Cuban-America Republicans have their own foreign policy, and they swing a big stick within the Republican party.

e.g. TV Marti is still being funded.

273 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:41:06am

re: #266 Carlos Danger

Yeah, Pennsylvania Republicans weren’t always sucko. It was actually a Republican, if I remember right, who came up with the State Game Lands.

OMG, Socialised Hunting Grounds!

Heinz was another good one. Huge environmentalist IIRC.

274 Kragar  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:42:09am

Fox News guest: Weiner ‘un-attracted’ to Huma Abedin ‘because she is connected with Islamists’

In a Red Eye panel discussion pointed out by Right Wing Watch on Monday, the Lawfare Project’s Brooke Goldstein said that “the real question is why is Weiner so un-attracted to Huma Abedin.”

“Perhaps it’s because she is connected with Islamists who want to kill us!” she opined. “Perhaps it’s because her family members are part and parcel of the Muslim Brotherhood. I completely agree with Andy McCarthy that she poses one of the greatest national security threats of this administration. She has access to the most classified information, because of her position with [former Secretary of State Hillary] Clinton about the Muslim Brotherhood, which is — it’s creed is to destroy America from within.”

275 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:43:24am

re: #222 wrenchwench

You’re a Vulcan, aren’t you.

I drink too much beer to even be a dumb Vulcan.

276 Carlos Danger  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:44:05am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Heinz was another good one. Huge environmentalist IIRC.

If anyone ever comes up with an effective zombie serum, pump it into Heinz so he can eat Corbett and his ultra-corrupt DEP cronies.

277 Kragar  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:44:20am

Rep. Stockman Joins White Nationalist-Tied Groups in Effort to Weaken Gun Laws

As Warren Throckmorton first reported, the congressman filed the brief along with Michael Peroutka’s Institute on the Constitution and Gun Owners of America, led by Larry Pratt.

Peroutka is a board member of the white supremacist and secessionist League of the South and denounces the Union’s victory in what he calls the “War Between the States.” He even pledged to use the Institute on the Constitution to aid the League of the South and advance the cause of imposing biblical law.

Pratt’s ties to White Nationalist and anti-Semitic groups are also well documented, and he joined Peroutka at a July 4 event hosted by an anti-Semitic rock band. Pratt also fears that the Obama administration may be building a black paramilitary force that will target straight, Christian white people.

278 freetoken  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:44:24am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Why is he still in the news?

279 klys  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:45:02am

re: #274 Kragar

Fox News guest: Weiner ‘un-attracted’ to Huma Abedin ‘because she is connected with Islamists’

I really have no response to this one. At all. Beyond rage and hatred of people.

280 sffilk  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:45:34am

Good. Now, if only we could get them off the air here in Atlanta.

281 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:45:42am

re: #274 Kragar

Fox News guest: Weiner ‘un-attracted’ to Huma Abedin ‘because she is connected with Islamists’

Well now we know the reason why Newt Gingrich dicked around on wife 1 and 2. It was because they were secret Muslim Brotherhood agents! Good god. The guy’s just a creepy asshole. If Ms. Abedin was Jewish or Christian, we wouldn’t have paranoids like this having this crazy conversation. Islam is the new communist/socialist in which people use it to justify their paranoia about every damn little thing. Weiner(who has a Muslim wife_ sends obscene photos to women who aren’t his wife? It’s not because he’s a sleazy dick )logical conclusion), it’s because she’s a Muslim Brotherhood member!

282 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:46:47am

Think I figured it out. The Crayonification of American children leads to color obsessed adults who make annoying clients that can drive me crazy sometimes. I’ve seen worse before having done almost 100 different color schemes for one stupid house. Then she wondered why I found her annoying.

#subcomment

Grrrr.

283 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:47:55am
284 Carlos Danger  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:48:00am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Read up on early 20th century isolationists, and you’ll find the attitude they had towards Jews was Exactly. The. Same.

285 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:48:45am

“That green might have too much blue in it.”

“Who the fuck cares!”

286 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:49:43am
287 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:52:03am

re: #274 Kragar

Fox News guest: Weiner ‘un-attracted’ to Huma Abedin ‘because she is connected with Islamists’

It’s counter-intuitive but true that the simplest minds are often the ones that seek the most convoluted and far-fetched explanations. This is to keep obvious facts from threatening cherished dogma. Try Occam’s Razor, Fox: Weiner does this because he is a sick fuck, and not because of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Good grief.

288 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:52:55am

re: #284 Carlos Danger

Read up on early 20th century isolationists, and you’ll find the attitude they had towards Jews was Exactly. The. Same.

I have actually I’ve read a little about the America First movement in my spare time. The attitudes we see also remind me a little of what we saw in czarist Russia in regards to the Jews as well- where Jews were suspected of wanting to destroy the state and kill Russian Christians.

289 Kragar  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:54:19am

re: #287 Shiplord Kirel

It’s counter-intuitive but true that the simplest minds are often the ones that seek the most convoluted and far-fetched explanations. This is to keep obvious facts from threatening cherished dogma. Try Occam’s Razor, Fox: Weiner does this because he is a sick fuck, and not because of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Good grief.

Fox never lets its hosts play with sharp objects. They can’t get the insurance.

290 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:54:31am

Great. Another fucking color email. Need to break something.

291 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:55:35am

re: #290 Gus

A designer friend of mine responds to every color thing with “I hear x is the new black!” no matter what color it is.

“Yeah, I hear green is the new black!”

“Oh, I totally hear that beige is the new black!”

292 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:56:09am

Detroit demolition map: This blight map has dots that represent vacant properties in the city that have been demolished or are on the list to be torn down.

293 Carlos Danger  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:56:20am

re: #290 Gus

Great. Another fucking color email. Need to break something.

Lime green and neon orange? Or how about both?

294 Kragar  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:57:46am

re: #292 Dr. Matt

Detroit demolition map: This blight map has dots that represent vacant properties in the city that have been demolished or are on the list to be torn down.

That is a lot of dots.

295 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:57:57am

*headdesk*

296 jaunte  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:58:40am

re: #290 Gus

“In addition to our basic design fee, any revisions of original design options will bill at $150/hr.”

297 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:00:30am

re: #296 jaunte

“In addition to our basic design fee, any revisions of original design options will bill at $1,500,000/hr.”

FTFY

298 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:00:31am

re: #294 Kragar

That is a lot of dots.

Just a cursory exploration and you can find some of the approved buildings are greater than 10,000 sq feet buildings. I can’t imagine how vacant/open the city is going to appear once they are finished.

299 Slap  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:01:49am

OT, but this morning I have a couple of sads…

‘Bye, guys — I’ll miss you both……

JJ Cale:
nme.com

Mick Farren:
uncut.co.uk

Regarding Mr. Farren — those of you with a taste for Sheckley-esque humor in your sci-fi would do well to look into his many novels:

fantasticfiction.co.uk

I’d raise a glass, but it’s still early. But come 4PM, look out….

300 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:01:50am

re: #295 Lidane

*headdesk*

[Embedded content]

What in the fuck…?

301 Joanne  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:03:06am

re: #295 Lidane

*headdesk*

Tim Murphy

Why is Fox freaking out about @RezaAslan when their are jihad crayons now: motherjones.com
11:02 AM - 29 Jul 2013

Not to be the word police but one would think a writer would know They’re vs. Their.

One of the many things that make me more insane than I already am.

302 Lidane  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:03:15am

re: #300 Varek Raith

What in the fuck…?

Giving kids Ramadan-themed coloring pages means the terrorists have won, or something.

303 Slap  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:03:39am

re: #291 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Which proves that calling things ‘the new black’ is the new black.

304 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:04:32am

re: #295 Lidane

*headdesk*

[Embedded content]

DAMN CRAYONS ARE DESTROYING AMERICA!!!!

//

305 Wargala  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:04:39am

I don’t see a conspiracy here. I see an issue of money. Nothing more.

306 Kragar  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:05:02am

Young Republicans: Let’s Not Give Democrats Any Reason To Call Us Bigots

“We don’t have to lose our principles,” said Angel Garcia, who leads the Young Republicans in Chicago, Obama’s hometown. “But we have to have a conversation on all these issues so we don’t leave Democrats to say we’re just old white men and racist, bigoted homophobes.”

I’m sure the GOP has got plenty of young white men and women who are racists and homophobes too.

307 Joanne  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:05:30am

re: #298 Dr. Matt

Just a cursory exploration and you can find some of the approved buildings are greater than 10,000 sq feet buildings. I can’t imagine how vacant/open the city is going to appear once they are finished.

I hope that they are the severely blighted industrial buildings that are so decrepit that they have to be considered hazardous; no windows, unsafe structures, weeds, etc.

I went through that Abandoned Twitter feed and was saddened by all the companies that just left all their shit there; roller coasters, etc. Litter, industrial style.

308 jaunte  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:05:41am

re: #304 Gus

‘Crayons are destroying America’ is the new black cornflower blue.

309 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:05:56am

re: #306 Kragar

Young Republicans: Let’s Not Give Democrats Any Reason To Call Us Bigots

I’m sure the GOP has got plenty of young white men and women who are racists and homophobes too.

Re-re-re-rebranding.

310 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:06:19am

An official county GOP is freaking out about crayons.
Let that sink in.

..
.
Here’s your new brain.

311 jaunte  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:07:23am

It’s Cray-OLA, not Cray-Allah!!!

312 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:07:50am

re: #309 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Re-re-re-rebranding.

In a parallel universe on opposite day on bizarro world.

313 Gus  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:09:40am

re: #308 jaunte

‘Crayons are destroying America’ is the new black cornflower blue.

I think that cornflower blue has too much yellow in it.

314 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:09:49am

re: #306 Kragar

Young Republicans: Let’s Not Give Democrats Any Reason To Call Us Bigots

I’m sure the GOP has got plenty of young white men and women who are racists and homophobes too.

Then you can stop nominating people like Ken Cuccinelli. Really if the Young Republicans are so concerned with their image, they need to look at who the most prominent Republicans and conservatives are and ask why are they so prominent and influential within the party. Ask why a guy like Steve King will probably have no problem scoring his party’s nomination for Senate this coming year. Young Republicans want their party to stop being seen as the bigoted party. Fine, actually do something to change that rather than going woe is us, the young conservatives. In my observations, they’re better on the issues than their older counterparts but they enable the GOP by voting for and supporting them anyhow because they buy the GOP’s economics bullshit.

315 Joanne  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:11:01am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Well said!

316 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:11:13am

re: #306 Kragar

Young Republicans: Let’s Not Give Democrats Any Reason To Call Us Bigots

I’m sure the GOP has got plenty of young white men and women who are racists and homophobes too.

They only see this as an image problem.
That’s the true problem.

317 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:11:41am

re: #298 Dr. Matt

Just a cursory exploration and you can find some of the approved buildings are greater than 10,000 sq feet buildings. I can’t imagine how vacant/open the city is going to appear once they are finished.

Several years ago someone had the brilliant idea to establish “urban farms” on cleared lots in Detroit.

Sadly, they found out that nothing would grow in the soil which was poisoned by decades of industrial seepage.

A few small lots did have some success once they planted on platforms and loaded soil trucked in from elsewhere in Michigan and Canada.

318 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:12:34am

re: #307 Joanne

I hope that they are the severely blighted industrial buildings that are so decrepit that they have to be considered hazardous; no windows, unsafe structures, weeds, etc.

I went through that Abandoned Twitter feed and was saddened by all the companies that just left all their shit there; roller coasters, etc. Litter, industrial style.

Sadly, Detroit has a budding new industry: Detroit ruin porn (SFW). The photos are simultaneously macabrely and somehow beautiful.

319 Joanne  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:12:53am

re: #316 Varek Raith

They only see this as an image problem.
That’s the true problem.

I think they see it equally as a messaging problem. If only their *real* message got out.

Newsflash to them…it has and it is not popular. No matter the rebranding, reimaging or remessaging.

It’s a stinking, dead fish. It will not get better.

320 Joanne  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:15:21am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

Several years ago someone had the brilliant idea to establish “urban farms” on cleared lots in Detroit.

Sadly, they found out that nothing would grow in the soil which was poisoned by decades of industrial seepage.

A few small lots did have some success once they planted on platforms and loaded soil trucked in from elsewhere in Michigan and Canada.

I remember that, but didn’t know the ground was so polluted that it would not grow anything. That’s so fucking sad it makes me want to cry. I am from Chicago but Detroit is my adopted home now. Detroit needs a Mayor Daley (Sr or Jr). For all their many faults, Chicago got better under both of them.

321 Carlos Danger  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:15:36am

How typical for wingnuts to go after a company that makes stuff in the US. Remember kids, don’t stick crayons up your nose.

322 alpuz  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:16:32am

re: #303 Slap

New Black?

323 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:18:57am

re: #315 Joanne

Exactly. Well said!

I mean. I’m only out of college 18 months. I’ve known many young Republicans. A lot of them seem to be primarily of the “libertarian variety” more so than the so-con but I haven’t seen any real effort by them to try to change the culture of their party on issues like GLBT rights, choice, perception of minorities, etc. They just accept the party as is because they like that the party “supports lower taxes and less regulations.” Truman had it right- Grand Old Platitudes is what GOP stands for.

324 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:34:32am

325 Thorzdad  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 12:10:12pm

Yawn…This is just a negotiating tactic. They aren’t going anywhere. This the same as when TV networks reach am impasse with Dish or Comcast over carry fees. We’ve all seen the “This channel will disappear soon. Call Dish and tell them to carry it” messages on our TVs. This is just Cumulus sending-out the same sort of scare message to Limbaugh and Hannity’s fans, to get them to pressure ClearChannel to play nice with Cumulus.

At the end of the year, a new contract will be inked and the two blowhards will still be on Cumulus stations. It’s just business.

326 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 12:22:39pm

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

JUST LOOK AT TEH POORS!! TEY ALL HAV ENUF LEFT OVER FROM THERE FOOD STAMPZ 2 BUY NEW CARZ!!!!1

[Embedded content]

Poor taste if you ask me. Ridiculous wheels and that color. Fugly. Just fugly.

327 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 12:23:15pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

You’re a Vulcan, aren’t you.

The problem with the Vulcan analogy is it implies people who can live perfectly happily without religious faith are somehow not human.

You many not intend it that way, but the implication is there all the same.

328 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 12:31:10pm

re: #327 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

The problem with the Vulcan analogy is it implies people who can live perfectly happily without religious faith are somehow not human.

You many not intend it that way, but the implication is there all the same.

Since I am living perfectly happily without religious faith, I definitely did not intend it that way. I was referring more to emotions than religion, and SidewaysQuark was doing the opposite, I think.

329 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 12:38:05pm

re: #328 wrenchwench

Since I am living perfectly happily without religious faith, I definitely did not intend it that way. I was referring more to emotions than religion, and SidewaysQuark was doing the opposite, I think.

I was more trying to comment on the de facto validity of faith as a concept than commenting specifically on religion.

Arguing from consequence is an easy trap for anyone on either side of the issue to fall into. If faith is something we need to survive, that doesn’t infer that the presumptions made by faith are true. On the other hand, if the presumptions made by faith aren’t true, that doesn’t infer that faith isn’t something we need to survive. Both atheists and believers make the mistake of arguing in this way.

330 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 29, 2013 12:53:09pm

re: #329 SidewaysQuark

I was more trying to comment on the de facto validity of faith as a concept than commenting specifically on religion.

Arguing from consequence is an easy trap for anyone on either side of the issue to fall into. If faith is something we need to survive, that doesn’t infer that the presumptions made by faith are true. On the other hand, if the presumptions made by faith aren’t true, that doesn’t infer that faith isn’t something we need to survive. Both atheists and believers make the mistake of arguing in this way.

I think faith is a valid concept.

Who is arguing from consequence?


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