Bradley Manning Convicted of Multiple Counts of Espionage

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Pfc. Bradley Manning, who stole hundreds of thousands of classified documents and released them to Wikileaks, has been acquitted of “aiding the enemy” but convicted of multiple counts of espionage, and could still face an effective sentence of life in prison.

Manning was convicted of 20 of the remaining 21 counts, including leaking intelligence knowing it would be accessible to the enemy, releasing classified information and disobeying orders.

Aiding the enemy was the most serious charge and carried a potential life sentence.

The judge in Manning’s court-martial, Col. Denise Lind, found that Manning had no intent to provide the enemy with classified information but was negligent in releasing the documents.

The charges of which Manning was convicted carry a total of 154 years in prison. Manning will be sentenced later.

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148 comments
1 Kragar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:37:16am

He got what he deserved.

2 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:37:38am

Couldn’t happen to a nicer douchebag.

3 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:38:34am

Good. His actions cost American lives.

4 b.d.  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:39:06am

Wish he wouldn’t have done this, these are the consequences and he knew what they were.

It is bizarre seeing the “true progressives” spin this as a victory because of one not guilty verdict to aiding the enemy?

Whatever.

5 Gus  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:40:24am

10 to 136 years. Not eligible for parole.

6 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:40:52am

re: #5 Gus

10 to 136 years. Not eligible for parole.

The emoprogs are already engaging in speculation that he’ll released on “time served.” I very much doubt that.

7 Kragar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:41:17am

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

Manning forgot those words.

8 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:41:18am

Repost from downstairs:

9 Gus  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:41:33am

Had the knucklehead only released “Collateral Murder” he would have gotten about 6 years.

10 makeitstop  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:41:34am

Bradley Manning cannot fade from the public consciousness quickly enough for my liking.

And he can take Snowden and Whatsisname with him.

11 erik_t  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:41:36am

Seems about right.

12 darthstar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:42:11am

Is he still a PFC? I’d think he’d be stripped of even that elevated rank by now.

13 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:42:22am

re: #6 Targetpractice

The emoprogs are already engaging in speculation that he’ll released on “time served.” I very much doubt that.

LOL forever. This wasn’t a game. He wasn’t being held on minor charges. He’s still going away for a long time even though he didn’t get convicted of aiding the enemy.

14 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:43:13am

Manning’s life is pretty much over as he knew it, and for what? Listening to idiots out there who value their egos and their “righteousness” over anything else?

Greenwald and Assange don’t have to worry about being locked up (at least for now) because they have naive surrogates who will do their dirty work for them.

15 Kragar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:43:35am

“THIS IS NOT ABOUT SNOWDEN!”
“No one said it was Glenn.”
“Oh…. THIS IS ALL ABOUT SNOWDEN!”

16 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:44:03am

(Looks at the vicious hatred of such an unimportant man with some bewilderment)

17 b.d.  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:45:01am

re: #14 Justanotherhuman

Manning’s life is pretty much over as he knew it, and for what? Listening to idiots out there who value their egos and their “righteousness” over anything else?

Greenwald and Assange don’t have to worry about being locked up (at least for now) because they have naive surrogates who will do their dirty work for them.

Can’t wait to hear Assange’s reacton to this verdict.

**Rolls eyes**

18 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:45:17am

I don’t get why this guy is seen sympathetically or a wronged man in some quarters. He committed a crime. He violated the oath that every serviceman and women does when they sign up for the United States Armed Forces. Yeah my sympathy with Brad Manning is nill. There are a lot more people who are worth my sympathy and support around the world than him.

19 darthstar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:45:33am

Wow…my TL is filling up with Greenwaldians. I didn’t think they cared that much.

20 darthstar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:47:09am
21 b.d.  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:47:22am

re: #19 darthstar

Wow…my TL is filling up with Greenwaldians. I didn’t think they cared that much.

Don’t f*ck with Saint Glenn of Rio, his disciples are still pissed that they missed the Heaven’s Gate spaceship.

22 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:48:15am

re: #12 darthstar

Is he still a PFC? I’d think he’d be stripped of even that elevated rank by now.

That will be part of the sentence, namely being busted down to E-1, dishonorably discharged, and forfeiture of any and all benefits. Not that will matter much if he never sees the outside of a jail cell again.

23 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:49:39am
24 darthstar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:49:50am
25 darthstar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:52:07am
26 jaunte  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:52:32am
27 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:52:33am
28 piratedan  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:53:54am

yeah I have the same issue with some of these folks like Greenwald, who spout off that “don’t you dare call him a traitor!” line, fine then, what do you call someone who willingly breaks the Espionage act then?

A Criminal?

Fine, then he’s a criminal, but I don’t see how some people seem to equate the violation of that law as being any less important than a speeding ticket. Kinda like how we have different punishments for different crimes, the more heinous the act, the more severe the penalty. For some reason, folks believe that betraying the country’s secrets is kind of a big deal. Wonder why that is?

29 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:54:35am

Overcharged? Didn’t he release hundreds of thousands of documents?

30 erik_t  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:55:04am

re: #18 HappyWarrior

I don’t get why this guy is seen sympathetically or a wronged man in some quarters. He committed a crime. He violated the oath that every serviceman and women does when they sign up for the United States Armed Forces. Yeah my sympathy with Brad Manning is nill. There are a lot more people who are worth my sympathy and support around the world than him.

Well, I think he thought he was doing the right thing. There’s some other guy I faintly remember… Edwin? Edgar? Edgar Simpleton, that’s the guy… who clearly wanted to get super awesome famous folk-hero whatever.

I think Manning is a well-meaning criminal idiot, who will be locked up because “well-meaning” doesn’t mean you get to commit whatever grevious crime you want.

31 b.d.  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:55:24am

But if they give him time served what am I supposed to do with all my “Free Bradley Manning” stuff?

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32 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:55:31am

Wondering exactly why the big charge failed.

33 erik_t  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:56:34am

re: #28 piratedan

For some reason, folks believe that betraying the country’s secrets is kind of a big deal. Wonder why that is?

Some people believe a nation-state should simply not be allowed to have secrets.

Some people are naive idiots.

I’m sure this is just a coincidence.

34 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:56:41am

re: #28 piratedan

yeah I have the same issue with some of these folks like Greenwald, who spout off that “don’t you dare call him a traitor!” line, fine then, what do you call someone who willingly breaks the Espionage act then?

A Criminal?

Fine, then he’s a criminal, but I don’t see how some people seem to equate the violation of that law as being any less important than a speeding ticket. Kinda like how we have different punishments for different crimes, the more heinous the act, the more severe the penalty. For some reason, folks believe that betraying the country’s secrets is kind of a big deal. Wonder why that is?

Right, that’s what I don’t get either. They seem to see willingly violating this law as not being that big of a deal. And honestly I want to know what they realistically expert from the government in cases like this. Of course, nothing outside a complete acquittal, dismissal of charges, and lauding Manning as a hero would make these types you speak of happy. The problem with wingnuts/moonbats is they just bitch and offer no real solutions. It’s while I remain an idealist at heart, I’m also a pragmatist too.

35 Kragar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:57:10am

Lets make this fair. Manning can serve one day in jail for each document he released.

This means he will be free in …

205 years approximately

36 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:57:33am

re: #32 Political Atheist

Wondering exactly why the big charge failed.

As has been noted, the likely reason is that the court didn’t find direct evidence of aiding the enemy.

37 darthstar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:57:44am

In other news, President Obama yesterday, when congratulating the (now playing crappy) World Champion SF Giants, mentioned a new project at the ballpark, a garden they’re putting in behind the outfield…that’s largely my wife’s doing.

38 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:57:49am

re: #35 Kragar

Lets make this fair. Manning can serve one day in jail for each document he released.

This means he will be free in …

205 years approximately

Will Mr. Assenge be there for Manning’s 230th birthday extravaganza?

39 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:58:09am

The brogressives are going to be incredibly obnoxious today.

40 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:58:35am

re: #37 darthstar

In other news, President Obama yesterday, when congratulating the (now playing crappy) World Champion SF Giants, mentioned a new project at the ballpark, a garden they’re putting in behind the outfield…that’s largely my wife’s doing.

That’s way cool. And as I told you, the Giants really do have a beautiful stadium. The garden would be an even neater touch.

41 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:58:53am
42 b.d.  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:59:01am

re: #37 darthstar

In other news, President Obama yesterday, when congratulating the (now playing crappy) World Champion SF Giants, mentioned a new project at the ballpark, a garden they’re putting in behind the outfield…that’s largely my wife’s doing.

Wow. Very, very cool.

43 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:59:07am

CRY MOAR:

44 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:59:28am

re: #41 NJDhockeyfan

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I’d call Ted Rall a scumbag, but that would an insult to bags of scum.

45 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:59:56am

re: #30 erik_t

Well, I think he thought he was doing the right thing. There’s some other guy I faintly remember… Edwin? Edgar? Edgar Simpleton, that’s the guy… who clearly wanted to get super awesome famous folk-hero whatever.

I think Manning is a well-meaning criminal idiot, who will be locked up because “well-meaning” doesn’t mean you get to commit whatever grevious crime you want.

I guess so. I’ll prefer to champion the causes of people like LGBT folks in Russia or that young girl in Afghanistan who the Taliban tried to kill.

46 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:00:01am
47 Kragar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:00:24am

re: #44 Targetpractice

I’d call Ted Rall a scumbag, but that would an insult to bags of scum.

Rall is a festering boil on the ass of humanity.

48 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:00:25am

re: #43 Lidane

CRY MOAR:

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Funny, I thought the message was “If you do the crime, be prepared to do the time.”

49 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:00:25am

re: #16 Romantic Heretic

(Looks at the vicious hatred of such an unimportant man with some bewilderment)

Do you see approval of the convictions as vicious hatred?

50 122 Year Old Obama  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:00:55am

re: #37 darthstar

In other news, President Obama yesterday, when congratulating the (now playing crappy) World Champion SF Giants, mentioned a new project at the ballpark, a garden they’re putting in behind the outfield…that’s largely my wife’s doing.

Groovy!

51 erik_t  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:01:06am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

I guess so. I’ll prefer to champion the causes of people like LGBT folks in Russia or that young girl in Afghanistan who the Taliban tried to kill.

Updang, would upding again. I just like pissing on Edgar’s precious LUAPNORian cheerios.

52 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:02:02am

In the end, Manning was the loose cannon that should have been seen coming. To me, the real intelligence disaster was not Manning, it was the fucked-up system that gave him access, even though he was obviously a troubled weirdo, and that let him copy it and steal it.

53 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:02:09am

re: #41 NJDhockeyfan

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Why would you pardon someone who violated their oath to you?

54 Gus  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:02:18am

re: #43 Lidane

CRY MOAR:

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Not true. The sentencing for the Collateral Murder video would have been a relatively light one.

55 Kragar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:03:18am

Ted Cruz: ‘Why is President Obama threatening to shut down the federal government?’

“Under no circumstances will I support a continuing resolution that funds even one penny of Obamacare,” Cruz told The Heritage Foundation on Tuesday. “In order to win this fight, we need to get 41 Republicans in the Senate to make the same commitment or we need 218 Republicans in the House.”

“The next step will be that President Obama and [Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid will scream and yell, ‘Why are those mean and nasty Republicans threatening to shut down the government over Obamacare?’” he continued. “And at that point, we’ve actually got to stand up and fight.”

“We’ve got to stand up and make the argument and win the argument that, ‘No, that’s not true. We have voted to fund the federal government. We want to fund the federal government. Why is President Obama threatening to shut down the federal government? Because he wants force Obamacare down people’s throats.’”

56 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:03:26am


I want to help break down the same barriers that hurt me so badly for so long. I want to help tear apart the still lingering notion that it’s not acceptable to be gay and be an athlete. When I was growing up, there wasn’t anyone I could look up to. There wasn’t anyone I could look at and say, “They made it through. Everything is going to be fine for me.”

If only one struggling athlete reads my story, I want them to see that they’re okay and life really does get better. If I can help just one person or change just one life, my struggles will have all been worth it.

57 jaunte  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:03:52am

re: #48 Targetpractice

Funny, I thought the message was “If you do the crime, be prepared to do the time.”

Also: “There are other ways to start a conversation.”

58 Gus  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:03:54am

re: #43 Lidane

CRY MOAR:

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59 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:04:08am

re: #55 Kragar

Ted Cruz: ‘Why is President Obama threatening to shut down the federal government?’

Damn Obama trying to force a law that was passed down people’s throats.

60 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:04:22am

re: #55 Kragar

Ted Cruz: ‘Why is President Obama threatening to shut down the federal government?’

Because you touch yourself at night, Ted.

Oh wait, wrong discussion.

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61 Carlos Dangler  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:04:30am

re: #55 Kragar

Ted Cruz: ‘Why is President Obama threatening to shut down the federal government?’

My head hurts with all of that doublespeak in there.

62 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:04:45am

re: #55 Kragar

Ted Cruz: ‘Why is President Obama threatening to shut down the federal government?’

Yes, Teddy, it’s President Obama that’s threatening to shut down the government. How about you grow the fuck up and admit that ACA is passed, has its constitutionality affirmed, and the only reason you don’t want Congress to fund it is so you can try to weaken President Obama. Fucking asshat. This clown doesn’t belong on a school board let alone the U.S senate.

63 Kragar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:04:56am

re: #59 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Damn Obama trying to force a law that was passed down people’s throats.

Ted Cruz: “LOOK WHAT YOU’RE MAKING ME DO!”

64 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:05:30am

Today’s convictions are in addition to the guilty pleas he accepted earlier this year.

Manning will be spending essentially the rest of his life pounding big rocks into small rocks at Fort Leavenworth. The charges of which Manning was convicted carry a total of up to 154 years in prison (not counting the previous guilty pleas).

And Greenwald will spend the rest of his claiming that Manning did nothing wrong - ignoring that Manning entered guilty pleas, as well as being found guilty under the UCMJ as he was a soldier when he transmitted classified documents to others.

Manning had already pleaded guilty to 10 charges that carry up to 20 years in prison, plus a dishonorable discharge.

This case may indirectly address how the DOJ goes after Snowden - treating who counts as aiding the enemy.

65 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:06:37am

re: #55 Kragar

Ted Cruz: ‘Why is President Obama threatening to shut down the federal government?’

Why are you hitting yourself, huh!?!?

66 RedSquareBear  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:07:04am

re: #59 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Damn Obama trying to force a law that was passed down people’s throats.

Don’t be silly. Only things coming from the Heritage institute are legitimate!

(…)

What’s that? The ACA began life as a Heritage Foundation policy?

Well, shit.

67 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:07:48am

re: #55 Kragar

Good to see that Cruz knows the GOP will be blamed for a government shutdown, and he’s trying the preemptive spin on it. It won’t work, but I admire his stupidity.

68 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:08:01am

Just to balance out all the emoprog derp:

69 jaunte  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:08:18am
70 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:08:25am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Yes, Teddy, it’s President Obama that’s threatening to shut down the government. How about you grow the fuck up and admit that ACA is passed, has its constitutionality affirmed, and the only reason you don’t want Congress to fund it is so you can try to weaken President Obama. Fucking asshat. This clown doesn’t belong on a school board let alone the U.S senate.

Folks need to remember that Ted was an accidental Senator, he ran not expecting to actually win. He just wanted something to buff up his resume for a future shot at the governor’s mansion. He just happened to run in a year conducive to self-destructive behavior on the part of voters.

71 Gus  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:08:44am
72 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:09:15am

re: #55 Kragar

Ted Cruz: ‘Why is President Obama threatening to shut down the federal government?’

Ted Cruz is the best evidence of David Dewhurst’s idiocy and political incompetence.

73 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:09:19am

re: #68 Lidane

Because, you know, the IRS was a creation of the Obama administration. It also goes searching peoples houses for Jews and carries out summary executions of those found hiding Jews.

Derp.

74 jaunte  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:09:25am

re: #71 Gus

Current leader of the EmoKing race?

75 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:09:30am

re: #68 Lidane

Just to balance out all the emoprog derp:

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Yes because the IRS is torturing people. Sigh. I want to get angrily violent every time I see a stupid Godwin like this. I mean this crap is even with it being shown that the IRS didn’t do much illegal but they still continue with this stupid crap because their stupid pathetic base wants to see themselves as Jews and other dissidents in Nazi Germany.

76 erik_t  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:09:47am

re: #71 Gus

Even presuming Manning was a good decent non-criminal… damn.

Recency bias is a terrible, terrible thing.

77 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:10:11am

re: #71 Gus

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Yeah he’s just like Nelson Mandela. Good fucking grief.

78 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:10:21am

re: #71 Gus

Good job, Allan Lindemark. You managed to say something even more idiotic than the South Carolina GOP comparing the IRS to the Gestapo.

79 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:10:25am

re: #72 Lidane

Ted Cruz is the best evidence of David Dewhurst’s idiocy and political incompetence.

Personally think of him as living proof of the Peter Principle.

80 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:10:28am

re: #71 Gus

Even if the US was being ruled by an oppressive apartheid regime that would still be bullshit.

CRY MOAR emoprogs.

81 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:11:21am

re: #73 Ian G.

Because, you know, the IRS was a creation of the Obama administration. It also goes searching peoples houses for Jews and carries out summary executions of those found hiding Jews.

Derp.

I heard they killed 10,000 Jews alone in Charleston last week and will kill 5000 more in Mrytle Beach if we don’t stop them.//

82 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:11:51am
83 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:12:38am

re: #82 Lidane

Yeah, this. Manning and Snowden remind me of why I still can’t stand the moonbat left in this country.

84 jaunte  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:13:02am

“I tore your house down to start a discussion about homelessness.”

85 Kragar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:13:07am

Poll: Alaska Republicans Want Palin In 2014 Senate Race

There are plenty who doubt that Sarah Palin will actually run for U.S. Senate in Alaska next year, but a survey from Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling released Tuesday suggested that the Republican nomination may be hers if she wants it.

Thirty-six percent of GOP primary voters in Alaska said they’d back the former half-term governor, with 26 percent saying they would support Lt. Gov. Mead Treadwell (R). Dan Sullivan, the mayor of Anchorage, Alaska, garnered the support of 15 percent of primary voters, while Joe Miller, a tea party favorite who had the backing of Palin in the 2010 Senate race, picked up only 12 percent support.

A Palin nomination could jeopardize the GOP’s chances in a race identified as one of the party’s best pick-up opportunities in 2014, the poll found. With 58 percent of Alaska voters saying they have an unfavorable opinion of her, Palin trailed incumbent Sen. Mark Begich (D-AK) by 12 points in a hypothetical general election matchup.

86 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:13:35am
87 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:13:45am

re: #85 Kragar

Poll: Alaska Republicans Want Palin In 2014 Senate Race

Proof that severe cold is detrimental to IQ points.

88 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:14:03am

re: #83 Ian G.

Yeah, this. Manning and Snowden remind me of why I still can’t stand the moonbat left in this country.

I think we’ve reached the tipping point. Can we have moonbat font now Charles :)

89 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:14:44am

re: #83 Ian G.

Yeah, this. Manning and Snowden remind me of why I still can’t stand the moonbat left in this country.

They’re actually not a whole lot different in how they view things from the wingnut right (i.e. hysterics and hyperbole without a damn sense of perspective) Really as Lidane put it, even if we were a tyrannical state like Apartheid era South Africa, Manning still couldn’t be analogous to Nelson Mandela.

90 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:16:23am

re: #85 Kragar

Poll: Alaska Republicans Want Palin In 2014 Senate Race

Part of me wishes she’d shut up and just run but since Alaska is pretty right wing, I’m afraid she may have a shot at ti too. Begich benefited big time from running in Obama’s first presidential election.

91 erik_t  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:16:43am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

They’re actually not a whole lot different in how they view things from the wingnut right (i.e. hysterics and hyperbole without a damn sense of perspective) Really as Lidane put it, even if we were a tyrannical state like Apartheid era South Africa, Manning still couldn’t be analogous to Nelson Mandela.

Well, they’re different in that they don’t run their party.

92 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:16:45am
93 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:18:06am

re: #91 erik_t

Well, they’re different in that they don’t run their party.

Yep, that’s a key difference but what I mean is they’re similar in how they view the world and approach things. Power wise, you’re absolutely right.

94 jaunte  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:18:11am
95 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:18:13am

re: #88 geoffm33

I think we’ve reached the tipping point. Can we have moonbat font now Charles :)

Moonbat font needs to be girlie and twee since emos live in a fantasy world.

96 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:18:42am

re: #92 Charles Johnson

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Dayum.

97 jaunte  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:20:33am

I think he meant to say “incredible”.

98 jaunte  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:21:50am

Tweeps getting excited.

99 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:22:02am

This can’t be stressed enough.

Ex-Pfc Bradley Manning entered guilty pleas on multiple charges and accepted a dishonorable discharge on his own accord and with the guidance of his counsel.

That was before today’s guilty verdicts.

This isn’t someone who is a political prisoner or someone who should be lauded.

He’s a criminal. He admitted as much earlier this year. Today only sealed his fate on the remaining charges he was facing.

That sting he’s feeling is the reality that he’s going to be spending what’s likely the rest of his life behind bars.

100 b.d.  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:22:05am

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Yeah he’s just like Nelson Mandela. Good fucking grief.

A 95 year Mandela would crawl off his hospital bed and kick that guys ass for comparing his plight to Manning’s

101 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:23:20am

re: #98 jaunte

Tweeps getting excited.

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croc-wearing authoritarian? That just may beat Our American Cousin’s “You sockdologizing old man-trap.

102 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:23:37am

re: #71 Gus

“…As long as he is kept in prison, there will be no political freedom.”

…he posts on a public database visible to anyone with no expectation of repercussions.

re: #92 Charles Johnson

“@20committee you are a disgusting fascist. the lesson here is you extol a murder machine mindlessly.”

Wow, that guy really went into EmOverdrive.

103 jaunte  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:23:59am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

“The soft fascism of croc-wearing authoritarians.”

104 darthstar  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:24:22am
105 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:25:06am

re: #103 jaunte

“The soft fascism of croc-wearing authoritarians.”

I wasn’t even aware that authoritarians wore crocs or really that anyone still wore crocs.

106 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:25:56am

Over at The Guardian, they’re calling for a boycott of everything American.

Idiots.

107 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:25:58am

re: #98 jaunte

Tweeps getting excited.

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On the plus side, unlike Heywood, this guy knows how to spell ‘lickspittle’.

108 jaunte  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:26:56am

I have to keep clicking to see who all these Carlos people are.

109 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:27:05am
110 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:27:33am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

Over at The Guardian, they’re calling for a boycott of everything American.

Idiots.

Because Britain would have never punished someone doing a similar offense. I said it a couple days ago but America- fuck no is really as annoying as America-fuck yeah. And it’s annoying that if you condemn the actions of say Manning then the idiots in the former camp will put you in the latter camp and call you a croc wearing fascist.

111 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:27:52am
112 Gus  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:28:29am
113 jaunte  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:28:53am

Very hipster to combine a Godwin with a style diss.

114 EmmaAnne  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:28:57am

re: #20 darthstar

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If the rocks are green, run away.

115 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:29:01am

re: #111 NJDhockeyfan

LOL forever. Time served? He wasn’t waiting for years on end to face trial for a DWI. Also, do military courts even do the whole “time served” thing?

Idiots.

116 Ian G.  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:32:21am

re: #113 jaunte

True. I’m a fascist too (according to that guy), but I prefer my Chuck Taylors to Crocs.

117 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:32:24am
118 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:32:49am

re: #108 jaunte

I have to keep clicking to see who all these Carlos people are.

My ‘Carlos Danger’ name will be going away soon, but it fit so perfectly, since I live in San Mateo, I HAD TO use it for at least a couple days. I have, however, just adjusted it to be more reflective of my actual nature.

119 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:33:27am


Heh.

120 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:33:33am

ACLU statement:

NEW YORK - A military court-martial today found Pfc. Bradley Manning guilty of multiple charges under the Espionage Act for giving classified material to WikiLeaks, but not guilty of aiding the enemy.

“While we’re relieved that Mr. Manning was acquitted of the most dangerous charge, the ACLU has long held the view that leaks to the press in the public interest should not be prosecuted under the Espionage Act,” said Ben Wizner, director of the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy and Technology Project. “Since he already pleaded guilty to charges of leaking information - which carry significant punishment - it seems clear that the government was seeking to intimidate anyone who might consider revealing valuable information in the future.”

121 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:35:26am

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

I like the ACLU. They’re still flat wrong here.

The problem with Manning is that he didn’t just leak information. He compromised a military operation and got people killed because of it.

122 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:35:44am

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

ACLU statement:


”..to encourage the others.”

123 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:36:09am

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

ACLU statement:

I have a lot of respect for the ACLU but this needed to be prosecuted. It’s not “intimidation” to prosecute people for crimes outside of the ones that they plead to but I do appreciate the ACLU isn’t claiming that Manning is an American Nelson Mandela or that prosecuting him means we’re now a fascist state.

124 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:36:49am

re: #121 Lidane

I like the ACLU. They’re still flat wrong here.

The problem with Manning is that he didn’t just leak information. He compromised a military operation and got people killed because of it.

Yes, this. And the latter is why I will never be on Team Bradley ever.

125 Gus  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:36:51am
126 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:37:29am

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

ACLU statement:

“the ACLU has long held the view that leaks to the press in the public interest should not be prosecuted under the Espionage Act,” said Ben Wizner, director of the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy and Technology Project.”

Here’s the problem with leaks to the public - it doesn’t stop with the public, or, looked at another way, “the public” often contains a lot of those not-very-nice folks we are trying to keep secrets from. You can’t let information out publicly while limiting the extent of its spread, especially with the internet. So, he may not have leaked directly to AQ or whoever, but it’s not like he could stop them getting it.

127 Gus  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:38:12am

re: #121 Lidane

I like the ACLU. They’re still flat wrong here.

The problem with Manning is that he didn’t just leak information. He compromised a military operation and got people killed because of it.

Well, apparently the ACLU thinks stealing and releasing classified documents is a civil right.

128 Gus  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:38:43am

“Hey man. That’s cool. We should release all classified documents WRT to our nuclear arsenal.”

129 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:39:48am

re: #128 Gus

“Hey man. That’s cool. We should release all classified documents WRT to our nuclear arsenal.”

It’s as Kragar has said that there are some people in this country who think nation-states shouldn’t be able to have secrets. They’re naive but I’ll go a step harsher and call them fucking idiots because they refuse to live in the reality of the modern nation state.

130 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:40:14am

Sad-assed as he is, I’d like to see his commander and the unit security officer get the same sentence as manning.

131 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:41:00am

re: #127 Gus

Well, apparently the ACLU thinks stealing and releasing classified documents is a civil right.

Because they’re deliberately ignoring the fact that Manning’s leaks were just large data dumps without regard for context. Names, locations, operational information, etc. all got out and people died directly because of those actions.

I’m all for legitimate whistleblowers. The people who risked their careers at Enron by alerting everyone of the malfeasance going on there did a public service. Bradley Manning did not.

132 EmmaAnne  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:43:34am

re: #95 Lidane

Moonbat font needs to be girlie and twee since emos live in a fantasy world.

I almost down-dinged this. “Girly” is not bad and shouldn’t be used as an insult.

133 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:46:08am

re: #132 EmmaAnne

I almost down-dinged this. “Girly” is not bad and shouldn’t be used as an insult.

I’m a woman. I know the context I used it in. “Girlie” for a font means something cutesy and sparkly or which looks fanciful, like so:

fontspace.com

Moonbats live in a fantasy world. Their font should look like it.

134 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:47:29am

re: #133 Lidane

I’m a woman. I know the context I used it in. “Girlie” for a font means something cutesy and sparkly or which looks fanciful, like so:

fontspace.com

Moonbats live in a fantasy world. Their font should look like it.

“I looked in the box at the fonts, Ray.” Now I need insulin.

135 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:50:58am

Oh, shit. Tamron Hall on MSNBC is having Jane Hamsher on in a few minutes.

You know what she’s going to say…

136 GeneJockey  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:52:31am

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

Oh, shit. Tamron Hall on MSNBC is having Jane Hamsher on in a few minutes.

You know what she’s going to say…

Is it just me, or does ‘Tamron Hall’ sound like a concert hall sponsored by a big corporation?

137 Lidane  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:54:55am

I’m a fan of Rage Against the Machine, but Tom Morello is hilariously wrong here:

138 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 11:57:51am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

I wasn’t even aware that authoritarians wore crocs or really that anyone still wore crocs.

I wear crocs! Now I have a new nic. :)

139 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 12:00:29pm

re: #138 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

I wear crocs! Now I have a new nic. :)

Love it.

140 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 12:01:29pm

re: #138 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

I wear crocs! Now I have a new nic. :)

We had someone flounce shortly after she found out Charles wears Crocs. Purely coincidence, maybe. There was a lot of flouncing going around then.

141 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 12:07:49pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

As has been noted, the likely reason is that the court didn’t find direct evidence of aiding the enemy.

As if direct consequences don’t count. Huh.

142 jayjaybear  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 12:39:51pm

re: #86 Lidane

I’m reminded of the Far Side strip with the dingo farm next door to the daycare center.

“Trouble brewin’”

143 Ming  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 1:16:58pm

re: #55 Kragar

President Obama is a Constitutional lawyer by profession. He really wants “the system” to work. There is no way he would sign legislation to defund a law that was approved by both houses of Congress (including 60 Senate votes), signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court.

I believe he would stand firm on this, even if we were talking about a law that he didn’t like, that came from a Republican president. I believe this because I think he has a very strong desire to maintain the integrity of our Constitutional system. Of course, in this particular case, we’re talking about Obama’s own health-care legislation.

So I see no way President Obama will back down on funding the Affordable Care Act, or even be willing to “compromise” over this. It will be very interesting to see how the Republicans deal with this.

144 Lancelot Link  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 1:34:46pm

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

Oh, shit. Tamron Hall on MSNBC is having Jane Hamsher on in a few minutes.

You know what she’s going to say…

I can remember when Jane Hamsher was calling for jail time when one CIA agent was outed.

145 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 1:44:42pm

re: #63 Kragar

Ted Cruz: “LOOK WHAT YOU’RE MAKING ME DO!”

CRUZ: WHY AM I HITTING MYSELF? WHY AM I HITTING MYSELF?

UPPITY HENCHMAN: Umm, sir, I don’t think you’re doing that quite right…

CRUZ: SILENCE!

146 Jack Burton  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 1:49:36pm

re: #137 Lidane

I’m a fan of Rage Against the Machine, but Tom Morello is hilariously wrong here:

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Tom Morello has been consistently wrong about every political matter he’s ever ventured an opinion on that required any analysis or nuance. He’s just one of those emoprog moonbats gorging on his own confirmation bias and kneejerk anti-authority stance. RATM makes great music but as soon as he starts to talk about anything else, I immediately tune him out.

147 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 1:50:40pm

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

Over at The Guardian, they’re calling for a boycott of everything American.

Idiots.

I guess they were jealous of the attention Dan Savage was getting for the incoherent #DumpRussianVodka campaign

148 AntonSirius  Tue, Jul 30, 2013 1:54:00pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

I have a lot of respect for the ACLU but this needed to be prosecuted. It’s not “intimidation” to prosecute people for crimes outside of the ones that they plead to but I do appreciate the ACLU isn’t claiming that Manning is an American Nelson Mandela or that prosecuting him means we’re now a fascist state.

The ACLU is just doing its job here. I would expect them to say nothing less.


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