Greenwald’s Latest Article Distorts the Truth Again

Just search for “warrant” and you’ll find what Greenwald is trying to conceal under reams of rhetoric
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A couple of weeks ago when Glenn Greenwald posted an attack on Microsoft, I pointed out:

I’ve learned that when a new Greenwald bombshell comes out, you can cut right to the chase by searching the document for the word “warrant.”

And sure enough, in today’s new “bombshell” story by Greenwald, searching for “warrant” immediately brings up the most important point, buried in the tenth paragraph under tons of exaggeration and hyperbole:

Under US law, the NSA is required to obtain an individualized Fisa warrant only if the target of their surveillance is a ‘US person’, though no such warrant is required for intercepting the communications of Americans with foreign targets. But XKeyscore provides the technological capability, if not the legal authority, to target even US persons for extensive electronic surveillance without a warrant provided that some identifying information, such as their email or IP address, is known to the analyst.

That’s right — once again, Greenwald is not documenting any actual wrongdoing. It’s a very deliberate rhetorical trick he uses over and over — conflating the ability to do something with actually doing it, and glossing over the fact that there are very serious legal consequences in store for anyone who actually does abuse these systems.

Greenwald’s purpose with this latest article is to try to shore up Edward Snowden’s absurd claim that he could “wiretap anyone, even the President,” without any oversight. Here’s how he frames this defense:

The files shed light on one of Snowden’s most controversial statements, made in his first video interview published by the Guardian on June 10.

“I, sitting at my desk,” said Snowden, could “wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge or even the president, if I had a personal email”.

US officials vehemently denied this specific claim. Mike Rogers, the Republican chairman of the House intelligence committee, said of Snowden’s assertion: “He’s lying. It’s impossible for him to do what he was saying he could do.”

But training materials for XKeyscore detail how analysts can use it and other systems to mine enormous agency databases by filling in a simple on-screen form giving only a broad justification for the search. The request is not reviewed by a court or any NSA personnel before it is processed.

Read this section carefully — because what Greenwald is detailing does not support Snowden’s claim at all. Greenwald is describing searching a database for information on non-US citizens. How is this the same thing as “wiretapping the President?” Of course, it’s not. He’s not describing any kind of “wiretapping” at all.

This is not “journalism.” It’s deliberately deceptive demagoguery, in the service of absolutist libertarianism.

UPDATE at 7/31/13 12:37:12 pm

By the way, also note this line, tossed off near the end of the article:

The NSA documents assert that by 2008, 300 terrorists had been captured using intelligence from XKeyscore.

On several occasions, Greenwald has mocked NSA claims that their surveillance programs worked to catch terrorists. But the statement that XKeyscore had been successful in capturing 300 terrorists comes from a secret document. The NSA would have no reason to lie about this in a document not intended for the public to read.

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297 comments
1 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:02:10pm

In other news, the tides came in and went out.

2 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:04:23pm

Once again, Greenwald’s got neither sizzle or steak to sell.

3 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:04:30pm
4 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:06:58pm

Glenn is a serial midget kicker, because theoretically, he could go around kicking midgets.

5 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:08:11pm

re: #4 Kragar

It would be irresponsible not to speculate….

6 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:08:42pm

Our Sun is going to go nova and envelop the earth, scientists predict.

7 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:08:43pm
Read this section carefully — because what Greenwald is detailing does not support Snowden’s claim at all. Greenwald is describing searching a database for information on non-US citizens. How is this the same thing as “wiretapping the President?

Because the President is really a sekrit Kenyan?

Oh… wait… I’m crossing my memes again.

Seriously, Greenwald writes this kind of stuff because he can do so safely, never really having to be worried about that dreaded police state of America he keeps imagining.

Greenwald plays this same old tune for the same reason evangelical churches always play “The Old Rugged Cross”, though the music is dreadful - because they are familiar with it so hearing it makes them feel “at home”.

8 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:09:53pm

re: #5 Bulworth

It would be irresponsible not to speculate….

I have some power point slides detailing how it could happen, which is just like proof that it has occurred.

9 erik_t  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:10:36pm

Police State by Powerpoint.

10 Lidane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:10:51pm

re: #1 Mateo Scrounge

In other news, the tides came in and went out.

You can’t explain that!

11 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:10:53pm

Another Big Nothingburger at Glenn’s Grub. U want freedom fries with that?

12 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:12:06pm

This is why my patience is at an end with Greenwald and his fan club. Here we are, over a month after the initial “bombshell,” and it continues to remain in the realm of speculation and wild-assed guessing. And no, I don’t buy the whole “FISA rubberstamp court” BS. If you can’t prove abuses, then you’re wasting my time.

13 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:12:31pm

re: #6 jaunte

Our Sun is going to go nova and envelop the earth, scientists predict.

Science keeps changing its mind!!! I remember back in the 1970s, when every scientist everywhere was predicting Earth would become a frozen iceball! They used to say the didn’t know what happened to Neanderthals, and now they say our ancestors mated with them!!! Which is it, SciTards?!?

14 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:12:47pm

But Greenwald and Sirota would courageously BREAK THE UNJUST LAW.

Sirota just deleted this Tweet:
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15 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:13:18pm

re: #10 Lidane

You can’t explain that!

I thought about that after I hit ‘Post It’.

16 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:13:28pm

re: #14 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

But Greenwald and Sirota would courageously BREAK THE UNJUST LAW.

By getting patsies to do it for them.

17 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:13:33pm

re: #11 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

This

18 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:13:38pm

re: #9 erik_t

Police State by Powerpoint.

So, you’ve been in those meetings, too?

19 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:13:42pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

And this, too.

20 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:14:10pm

Every food service worker has the ability to spit in your food too, yet Glenn still goes out to eat?

21 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:14:18pm

BUT SIROTA & GREENWALD WOULD COURAGEOUSLY CONTINUE TO TALK OUT OF THEIR ASS.

22 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:14:46pm
conflating the ability to do something with actually doing it

The US, with its nuclear arsenal, has the ability to exterminate human civilization.

OMFG, WE’RE THE WORST GENOCIDAL REGIME IN HISTORY!!!!1

23 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:14:51pm

BOMBSHELL: The U.S. has nuclear weapons which it could aim at U.S. cities.

24 Ah_Yup  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:14:57pm

The key question here in my view is missing from his “analysis”: exactly what are they searching through? Looking at the map and the description in the power point along with what he have heard from previous leaks and Bamford stories I get the impression that they are getting huge data dumps from key points on the Internet backbone. He wants to make it look like we are all being watched but it looks like they are not fishing through data on the Internet within the US. But anything going to or coming from the States is getting watched. This is still a BFD because most of the major worldwide services like Facebook and Google are in the US. Not illegal but it would sure piss me off if I lived in ,say, Europe.

I really wish Greenwald would stop overreaching because this raises important questions. He’s just to busy exaggerating to ask them.

25 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:15:17pm

re: #21 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

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Too much irony in my diet.

26 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:15:43pm

re: #21 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Can’t argue with that. Think of all the steaming bullshit Sirota and Greenwald, among others, have tweeted.

27 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:15:49pm

re: #24 Ah_Yup

The key question here in my view is missing from his “analysis”: exactly what are they searching through?

Messages posted from Anthony Weiner’s cell phone?

28 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:16:08pm

re: #22 Ian G.

The US, with its nuclear arsenal, has the ability to exterminate human civilization.

OMFG, WE’RE THE WORST GENOCIDAL REGIME IN HISTORY!!!!1

Crime rates would drop to zero if all potential criminals were simply executed.

Judge Death backs Glenn Greenwald.

29 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:16:34pm

NSA analysts have the power to look at any electronic communications on earth, but oddly, their supervisors can’t see or record them doing it.

30 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:17:49pm

The Federal government runs a system of prisons around the country which could be used to put people in prison.

31 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:18:05pm

re: #23 Bulworth

BOMBSHELL: The U.S. has nuclear weapons which it could aim at U.S. cities.

They better not use Dronez to nuke us!!1!

The bastards.

32 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:18:15pm

re: #24 Ah_Yup

The key question here in my view is missing from his “analysis”: exactly what are they searching through? Looking at the map and the description in the power point along with what he have heard from previous leaks and Bamford stories I get the impression that they are getting huge data dumps from key points on the Internet backbone. He wants to make it look like we are all being watched but it looks like they are not fishing through data on the Internet within the US. But anything going to or coming from the States is getting watched. This is still a BFD because most of the major worldwide services like Facebook and Google are in the US. Not illegal but it would sure piss me off if I lived in ,say, Europe.

I really wish Greenwald would stop overreaching because this raises important questions. He’s just to busy exaggerating to ask them.

Glenn’s painted himself into a corner here. He’s got the emoprogs and the faux-libertarians in so much of a tizzy with his exaggeration and hyperbole that if he backed down and admitted even half of what he’s said is BS, they’d hang, draw, and quarter him.

33 erik_t  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:19:09pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

Glenn’s painted himself into a corner here. He’s got the emoprogs and the faux-libertarians in so much of a tizzy with his exaggeration and hyperbole that if he backed down and admitted even half of what he’s said is BS, they’d hang, draw, and quarter him.

They’d rapidly mold their braingoop to the new reality, so long as it keeps the target under attack. Greenbeck gives his audience far too much credit.

34 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:20:37pm

re: #33 erik_t

They’d rapidly mold their braingoop to the new reality, so long as it keeps the target under attack. Greenbeck gives his audience far too much credit.

They’d be more likely to either assume that Obama “got to him” or that he’s being paid to shut up about “the truth.” In either case, they’d rapidly lose faith in him and drift back to places like Prison Planet.

35 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:20:48pm

re: #23 Bulworth

BOMBSHELL: The U.S. has nuclear weapons which it could aim at U.S. cities.

The US has nuclear weapons, which it has dropped on US soil. On purpose.

36 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:21:40pm

My latest Pages Post brings up many questions in my mind.

After watching the first season of Mad Men, I am struck with the amount of self-medication (sex and alcohol) exhibited by the WWII veterans depicted in the show. The World was changing in many ways, taboos were being stricken-down, young people had more freedom than ever, everyone had a car, a phone and THE PILL.

Mental Health treatment beyond the psychotherapists couch was in it’s pharmacological infancy. PTSD was still very misunderstood.

Fast-forward to OUR Brave New World. People are wondering if we are overdiagnosing mental illness or if the treatment is resulting in unintended consequences.

Speaking personally, I am greatful for treatment and have no qualms about stating it to anyone willing to listen.

The fallout from self-medication is generational. I am healthier than my parents, my kid is healthier than I was at his age.

37 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:21:56pm

re: #35 lawhawk

The US has nuclear weapons, which it has dropped on US soil. On purpose.

The US Government used nuclear weapons to kill John Wayne!

38 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:22:47pm

re: #20 b.d.

Every food service worker has the ability to spit in your food too, yet Glenn still goes out to eat?

Geez, hubby has been watching The Food Network lately. I get to hear/see the “undercover” shows from the other room.

People can be really disgusting.

39 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:24:02pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

Glenn’s painted himself into a corner here. He’s got the emoprogs and the faux-libertarians in so much of a tizzy with his exaggeration and hyperbole that if he backed down and admitted even half of what he’s said is BS, they’d hang, draw, and quarter him.

40 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:24:42pm

re: #35 lawhawk

The US has nuclear weapons, which it has dropped on US soil. On purpose.

In secret!

41 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:24:52pm

re: #38 FemNaziBitch

Geez, hubby has been watching The Food Network lately. I get to hear/see the “undercover” shows from the other room.

People can be really disgusting.

You don’t fuck with the people who handle your food. Ever. That leads to the most disgusting form of paying the Asshole Tax.

42 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:25:42pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

They’d be more likely to either assume that Obama “got to him” or that he’s being paid to shut up about “the truth.” In either case, they’d rapidly lose faith in him and drift back to places like Prison Planet.

I’m so tired of the knee-jerk “Obama or the Administration got that” or “of course, it’s Obama”. I heard the same with “Bush” “Clinton” “Bush” slotted for the appropriate administration.

The idea that so many federal employees could be so well orchestrated to the same talking points in this chaotic government is insane to me.

43 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:26:17pm

Greenwald is venturing into Beck Chalkboard territory.

44 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:26:24pm

It’s sad how few people seem to know or care about their employment rights.

Last week, my company notified us of mandatory online training that would take about 40 minutes. They also gave us instructions on how to access said training on the company website.

Most of my CWs were like “I’ll just do this at home when I find the time”

And I was like: “I need to talk to HR to find out where on site I can do this training, because if it’s mandatory you better believe I want to be paid for it.”

45 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:26:46pm

re: #41 Mateo Scrounge

You don’t fuck with the people who handle your food. Ever. That leads to the most disgusting form of paying the Asshole Tax.

Never gotten so pissed with a customer that I’ve spat in their food or worse. But I have gotten to the point on occasion where my speech became clipped and hostile, making it clear the only thing stopping me from chewing them out was that I was on the clock.

46 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:27:14pm

Greenwald is making a buck off of kids who think every thought that runs through their little head is important enough to post to the world.
But it’s not, and nobody cares.
Considering the bulk of data alone that the NSA has to deal with…
The whole thing is just b.s. from a guy who needs to be the center of attention.

47 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:27:37pm

re: #41 Mateo Scrounge

You don’t fuck with the people who handle your food. Ever. That leads to the most disgusting form of paying the Asshole Tax.

Honestly, in the show, it’s not the patron, but the employee that is usually the asshole. Usually young people who haven’t been trained to understand what “customer service” means. They seem to take offense at humans being humans or have a “I’m in charge” attitude and tell the customer how things work.

I’ve had horrible customers, but I learned how NOT to create them.

48 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:28:10pm

re: #42 FemNaziBitch

I’m so tired of the knee-jerk “Obama or the Administration got that” or “of course, it’s Obama”. I heard the same with “Bush” “Clinton” “Bush” slotted for the appropriate administration.

The idea that so many federal employees could be so well orchestrated to the same talking points in this chaotic government is insane to me.

Especially since a lot of the folks saying things like that don’t believe the USG can do anything at all without screwing it up.

Except vast, secret conspiracies involving hundreds, even thousands of people who not only pull it off without exposure, but also all manage to keep quiet about it.

49 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:28:10pm

re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s sad how few people seem to know or care about their employment rights.

Last week, my company notified us of mandatory online training that would take about 40 minutes. They also gave us instructions on how to access said training on the company website.

Most of my CWs were like “I’ll just do this at home when I find the time”

And I was like: “I need to talk to HR to find out where on site I can do this training, because if it’s mandatory you better believe I want to be paid for it.”

Yeah, I had to teach the young people I worked with WHY the posters were on the bulletin board in the breakroom and what they meant.

50 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:28:27pm

re: #43 Dr. Matt

The crying and costume wearing phase is next.

51 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:29:00pm
52 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:29:22pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

Glenn’s painted himself into a corner here. He’s got the emoprogs and the faux-libertarians in so much of a tizzy with his exaggeration and hyperbole that if he backed down and admitted even half of what he’s said is BS, they’d hang, draw, and quarter him.

Let’s try that again.

The drooling Glenn Greenwald lap dogs of today are the from the same crowd which were John Edward’s disciples. They can’t recognize a huckster that is obvious to most people even though it is right in front of their eyes.

They’re getting fooled again and will learn nothing from it, again.

53 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:31:56pm

re: #40 b.d.

No, those secret ones are the ones that they accidentally dropped or lost.

54 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:32:05pm

Old soldiers never die…

Art Bell returning to radio with Sirius show about the paranormal

Art Bell, radio’s master of the paranormal and outward edges of science, will return to the microphone on Sept. 16 with a new nighttime show on Sirius XM Radio.

Bell was one of radio’s top syndicated voices in the 1990s before walking away from his nightly show in 2002 due to family issues. He worked occasionally after that but hasn’t been on the air since Halloween 2010.

“I missed it terribly,” said Bell, 68, whose weeknight show will air live from 10 p.m. to 1 a.m. ET. Sirius is building a studio at Bell’s rural Nevada home where he will work.

[…]

55 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:32:54pm
56 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:33:51pm

re: #55 Kragar

Fox News’ Neil Cavuto: Workers should be grateful for whatever jobs they can find

Eat a bag of dicks Neil.

What is it Baba says? Eat Gruel?

57 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:34:08pm

re: #55 Kragar

The whole right wing is starting to sound like a Dicken’s antagonist.

58 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:34:14pm

re: #55 Kragar

Fox News’ Neil Cavuto: Workers should be grateful for whatever jobs they can find

Eat a bag of dicks Neil.

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

59 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:34:37pm

re: #55 Kragar

Fox News’ Neil Cavuto: Workers should be grateful for whatever jobs they can find

Eat a bag of dicks Neil.

Says the man who’s job is being a well paid shit deliverer for Fox News. No, Neil, some of us actually want jobs that we’re qualified for. We don’t have to just be grateful you fucking hack.

60 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:35:10pm

Ha ha! Dumbass.
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61 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:37:26pm

By the way, also note this line, tossed off near the end of the article:

The NSA documents assert that by 2008, 300 terrorists had been captured using intelligence from XKeyscore.

On several occasions, Greenwald has mocked NSA claims that their surveillance programs worked to catch terrorists. But the statement that XKeyscore had been successful in capturing 300 terrorists comes from a secret document. The NSA would have no reason to lie about this in a document not intended for the public to read.

62 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:37:51pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Says the man who’s job is being a well paid shit deliverer for Fox News. No, Neil, some of us actually want jobs that we’re qualified for. We don’t have to just be grateful you fucking hack.

I’d actually like to be paid enough so I could pay for the training I need without going into debt hoping I get reimbursed at some point.

63 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:38:38pm

re: #62 Kragar

I’d actually like to be paid enough so I could pay for the training I need without going into debt hoping I get reimbursed at some point.

Wouldn’t we all? Seriously these people are fucking oligarchic propagandists.

64 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:38:55pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Man, those NSA guys really are sneaky.
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65 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:39:44pm

re: #57 freetoken

The whole right wing is starting to sound like a Dicken’s antagonist.

No kidding, they probably think you’re supposed to root for Mr. Bumble in Oliver Twist.

66 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:40:20pm

How wrong is this?
Let me count the ways …

Naw, fuck-it.

It’s not the contraception, everybody thinks it’s about contraception, but what this court case said was young people have the right to engage in sex outside of marriage. Society never gave young people that right, functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever. The institution for the expression of sexuality is marriage and all societies always shepherded young people there, what the Supreme Court said was forget that shepherding, you can’t block that, that’s not to be done.

- See more at: rightwingwatch.org

67 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:42:05pm

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

How wrong is this?
Let me count the ways …

Naw, fuck-it.

- See more at: rightwingwatch.org

Seriously? They’re suggesting criminalizing premarital sex? Yeah, good luck with that.

68 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:42:21pm

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

How wrong is this?
Let me count the ways …

Naw, fuck-it.

- See more at: rightwingwatch.org

These people legitimately scare me.

69 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:42:34pm

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

How wrong is this?
Let me count the ways …

Naw, fuck-it.

- See more at: rightwingwatch.org

9 times out of 10, any group with “Family” in the name is a bunch of hateful, repressed bigots.

70 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:43:09pm

re: #55 Kragar

Fox News’ Neil Cavuto: Workers should be grateful for whatever jobs they can find

Eat a bag of dicks Neil.

“It’s like jobs aren’t enough these days,” he opined. “They damn well better pay well or folks just really going to apply for them at all. Did I ever tell you that when I was a kid, you’d be grateful for any job you could find. Now a lot of kids are just the opposite, turning up their nose at fast food jobs that go begging at 11 bucks an hour. It’s true!”

“Only in America today,” he continued, “can our politicians bemoan a livable wage, forgetting a lot of folks would be grateful for any wage, any chance, any job, anytime. All I know is as soon as I turned 16 and heard a fast food chain called Arthur Treacher’s was opening a store in my town of Danbury, Connecticut, I stood in a line for a position — any position. I got the job, and soon rocketed to relief manager, then weekend manager, then by 16 and a half, full-time store manager! And it all started at two bucks an hour. And all the fish I could eat.”

1. Times change Neil. Two bucks used to be a lot more than it is today
2. The minimum wage has been stagnated for I don’t know how long and is nowhere near adequate to keep up with inflation.
3. How many raises have you gotten in the past 10 or 15 years Neil?
4. I call BS on your Fast Food story. A full MANAGER at 16 and a half? Either that was one dumb franchisee or you were totally unlike most other 16-year olds I worked with.
5. Generally speaking, people want more than just a job. They want fulfillment, they want to have an impact, they want to achieve things and they want to do something they enjoy. So no, I don’t people should be happy with any job they can get.

71 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:44:09pm

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

How wrong is this?
Let me count the ways …

Naw, fuck-it.

- See more at: rightwingwatch.org

I see what you did there. :P

72 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:45:36pm

Nicely tidying up before the mid-term elections?

O’Reilly had Victoria Jackson on the other night and pretty much made fun of her. He stated that “we were no where near turning into a Communist state.”

I see the tide turning, temporarily at least, to secure the elections.

73 Mattand  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:46:10pm

Jesus Christ, you would not believe the amount of hair pulling and gnashing teeth going on over at Ars Technica, regarding the latest “bombshell.”

I thought about posting a link to this article there, but one commenter early on says that our current government is worse than the British we fought in 1776. With that kind of neo-Godwining, I didn’t want to flood Charles’s website with Glennbots.

74 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:46:37pm

Fox News Op Ed: Feminists responsible for Weiner Scandal

What Weiner’s sexting scandal tells us about young women today

The short version: Women are a bunch of sluts who should be ashamed of themselves.

What a bunch of assholes.

75 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:46:38pm

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

Society never gave young people that right, functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever.

Um, actually, society did give people that right. That’s what the Supreme Court case was about, you cretin. If you look up the foundational documents of THIS society, you won’t find the Book of Deuteronomy. If you’re looking for that kind of society, Saudi Arabia is waiting with open arms.

Also

The institution for the expression of sexuality is marriage and all societies always shepherded young people there, what the Supreme Court said was forget that shepherding, you can’t block that, that’s not to be done.

Except for teh gay, of course.

76 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:46:42pm

re: #69 Kragar

9 times out of 10, any group with “Family” in the name is a bunch of hateful, repressed bigots.

Because women and children should be considered chattel—it’s the way it’s always been done.

77 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:47:49pm

re: #75 Ian G.

Um, actually, society did give people that right. That’s what the Supreme Court case was about, you cretin. If you look up the foundational documents of THIS society, you won’t find the Book of Deuteronomy. If you’re looking for that kind of society, Saudi Arabia is waiting with open arms.

Also

Except for teh gay, of course.

I think the cretin is thinking more of patriarchal property rights that moral behavior … .

78 allegro  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:47:56pm

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

4. I call BS on your Fast Food story. A full MANAGER at 16 and a half? Either that was one dumb franchisee or you were totally unlike most other 16-year olds I worked with.

Indeed. Was he a high school drop-out to enable him to work full-time at age 16? I would think full-time hours and then some are required for a full restaurant managers position. If he was a super brilliant 15 year old high school grad (I know, I’m snickering, too) wouldn’t he have been on some full university scholarship?

79 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:50:17pm

Never say die, especially when it is about MUSLIMS!!:

Mosque neighbors ask Tenn. high court to hear case

A Murfreesboro mosque is built and in use, but that hasn’t stopped neighbors from continuing to press their lawsuit challenging its construction.

Neighbors of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro have been arguing in court for three years that the construction approval was illegal. That’s because they claim there was insufficient public notice for the planning commission meeting where the approval occurred.

A Rutherford County judge agreed with them, but that decision was overturned earlier this year by the Tennessee Court of Appeals. That court found the meeting notice complied with state law.

Now the neighbors are asking the Tennessee Supreme Court to reverse that decision.

[…]

80 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:50:29pm

re: #78 allegro

Indeed. Was he a high school drop-out to enable him to work full-time at age 16? I would think full-time hours and then some are required for a full restaurant managers position. If he was a super brilliant 15 year old high school grad (I know, I’m snickering, too) wouldn’t he have been on some full university scholarship?

They may have mis-stated “manager”. There are “shift leaders” or “team leaders” positions … .

81 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:50:52pm

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

1. Times change Neil. Two bucks used to be a lot more than it is today
2. The minimum wage has been stagnated for I don’t know how long and is nowhere near adequate to keep up with inflation.
3. How many raises have you gotten in the past 10 or 15 years Neil?
4. I call BS on your Fast Food story. A full MANAGER at 16 and a half? Either that was one dumb franchisee or you were totally unlike most other 16-year olds I worked with.
5. Generally speaking, people want more than just a job. They want fulfillment, they want to have an impact, they want to achieve things and they want to do something they enjoy. So no, I don’t people should be happy with any job they can get.

He’s full of shit.

82 erik_t  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:53:03pm

re: #73 Mattand

Jesus Christ, you would not believe the amount of hair pulling and gnashing teeth going on over at Ars Technica, regarding the latest “bombshell.”

I’ve been a loyal Ars reader for at least 8.0e-2 centuries, but I’m at about my wit’s end with them. The coverage has been both poor and overwhelming in volume. If you want to use your tech journalism platform to bitch about SOPA, that’s one thing, but this is out of control.

I don’t go to Slashdot much anymore, either.

83 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:53:53pm

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

1. Times change Neil. Two bucks used to be a lot more than it is today
2. The minimum wage has been stagnated for I don’t know how long and is nowhere near adequate to keep up with inflation.
3. How many raises have you gotten in the past 10 or 15 years Neil?
4. I call BS on your Fast Food story. A full MANAGER at 16 and a half? Either that was one dumb franchisee or you were totally unlike most other 16-year olds I worked with.
5. Generally speaking, people want more than just a job. They want fulfillment, they want to have an impact, they want to achieve things and they want to do something they enjoy. So no, I don’t people should be happy with any job they can get.

I also got my first job at 16. Worked at Food Lion as a bagger/cashier for $5.15/hr. I was never under the illusion that I was on the fast track for management, mostly because as a high school student I couldn’t do more than part-time. But I also had few expenses, as I was living at home, and most of my paychecks either went into my car’s gas tank, for food, or games and books. I wasn’t trying to live on my own, and I sure as fuck wasn’t trying to raise a family.

84 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:54:41pm

re: #47 FemNaziBitch

Honestly, in the show, it’s not the patron, but the employee that is usually the asshole. Usually young people who haven’t been trained to understand what “customer service” means. They seem to take offense at humans being humans or have a “I’m in charge” attitude and tell the customer how things work.

I’ve had horrible customers, but I learned how NOT to create them.

Oh, cripes that show! I’ve seen a couple episodes, and WOW!

Like the one where the evening hostess was essentially pimping out the waitresses, or the one where the evening manager had set up a ‘club’ and was giving away free food and drinks in huge quantities and making a killing on the tips. Luckily, I missed the ones where food handlers were running amuck!

85 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:55:17pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

I also got my first job at 16. Worked at Food Lion as a bagger/cashier for $5.15/hr. I was never under the illusion that I was on the fast track for management, mostly because as a high school student I couldn’t do more than part-time. But I also had few expenses, as I was living at home, and most of my paychecks either went into my car’s gas tank, for food, or games and books. I wasn’t trying to live on my own, and I sure as fuck wasn’t trying to raise a family.

quite a lot of people do tho …

I don’t understand, but they do and they will continue to do so. We either help them with welfare or let their children shrivel.

86 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:56:05pm

re: #82 erik_t

Meanwhile, over in Whovian land saying how if the next Doctor isn’t female that the show is sexist, that Moffat is an evil misogynist, and last but not least, that Russell T. Davies is good writer with well rounded characters.

I wish people would stop using Doctor Who as a vehicle for hyper-activism.

87 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:56:38pm

re: #84 Mateo Scrounge

Oh, cripes that show! I’ve seen a couple episodes, and WOW!

Like the one where the evening hostess was essentially pimping out the waitresses, or the one where the evening manager had set up a ‘club’ and was giving away free food and drinks in huge quantities and making a killing on the tips. Luckily, I missed the ones where food handlers were running amuck!

The family owned are the worst. There is always some young family member (working as a server) who has a sense of self-importance. I want to reach thru the screen and slap them “YOU are a waitress, not an owner.”

88 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:56:49pm

re: #85 FemNaziBitch

quite a lot of people do tho …

I don’t understand, but they do and they will continue to do so. We either help them with welfare or let their children shrivel.

See, Neil’s engaged in the standard wingnut whine, namely that the only people making minimum wage are all kids, and they should be “thankful” for making what seems like a king’s ransom to a guy who hasn’t had to work for minimum wage in decades.

89 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:58:01pm

re: #69 Kragar

9 times out of 10, any group with “Family” in the name is a bunch of hateful, repressed bigots.

Manson family: Check.

90 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:58:14pm

re: #82 erik_t

That little blurb about Art Bell was not off topic.

Long has been the tradition of making “news” (and money) by preying on peoples fears, especially paranoia.

Techno-paranoia has found a home in the geeky readers of these computer-centric “news” outlets.

Ars has been better than Wired for staying away from sensationalism, but that doesn’t mean much.

91 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:59:21pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

I also got my first job at 16. Worked at Food Lion as a bagger/cashier for $5.15/hr. I was never under the illusion that I was on the fast track for management, mostly because as a high school student I couldn’t do more than part-time. But I also had few expenses, as I was living at home, and most of my paychecks either went into my car’s gas tank, for food, or games and books. I wasn’t trying to live on my own, and I sure as fuck wasn’t trying to raise a family.

This was my experience except at Giant Food. What idiots like Cavuto don’t get is many people on minimum wage are trying to provide for their families.

92 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:59:29pm

re: #86 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile, over in Whovian land saying how if the next Doctor isn’t female that the show is sexist, that Moffat is an evil misogynist, and last but not least, that Russell T. Davies is good writer with well rounded characters.

I wish people would stop using Doctor Who as a vehicle for hyper-activism.

All I want is Matt Berry as the 12th Doctor and I’ll be fine.

93 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:59:39pm

re: #90 freetoken

That little blurb about Art Bell was not off topic.

Long has been the tradition of making “news” (and money) by preying on peoples fears, especially paranoia.

Techno-paranoia has found a home in the geeky readers of these computer-centric “news” outlets.

Ars has been better than Wired for staying away from sensationalism, but that doesn’t mean much.

check out: Edward Bernays. Now, if anyone wanted to create a conspiracy theory … .

94 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:59:47pm

re: #89 Mateo Scrounge

Manson family: Check.

Match set made. :)

95 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:00:03pm

re: #92 Kragar

Then it’s war then.

//

Alexander Siddig for 12th Doctor!

96 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:01:08pm

re: #95 ProTARDISLiberal

Then it’s war then.

//

Alexander Siddig for 12th Doctor!

Only on the grounds that he doesn’t act like young Bashir. Rewatching the earlier episodes of DS9 and…yeah…they really had to work to make him a likable character.

97 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:01:23pm

Have I told you how much I am enjoying my Aeropress?

98 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:04:07pm

re: #93 FemNaziBitch

check out: Edward Bernays. Now, if anyone wanted to create a conspiracy theory … .

Yes. Adam Curtis made him the central figure in his most successful documentary.

We are all manipulated.

99 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:05:26pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

He’s done some good stuff since then. And a number of Doctor Who audio stories. I want a contrast to Matt Smith’s 11th.

Less awkward, more suave.

100 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:06:19pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

By the way, also note this line, tossed off near the end of the article:

On several occasions, Greenwald has mocked NSA claims that their surveillance programs worked to catch terrorists. But the statement that XKeyscore had been successful in capturing 300 terrorists comes from a secret document. The NSA would have no reason to lie about this in a document not intended for the public to read.

Of course, Greenwald define terrorism in his own unique fashion:

…the term [terrorism] at this point seems to have no function other than propagandistically and legally legitimizing the violence of western states against Muslims while delegitimizing any and all violence done in return to those states. - Glenn Greenwald, ‘Comment is Free’, May 23, 2013

101 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:06:20pm

re: #98 freetoken

Yes. Adam Curtis made him the central figure in his most successful documentary.

We are all manipulated.

For better or worse … .

LOL

102 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:07:08pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

This was my experience except at Giant Food. What idiots like Cavuto don’t get is many people on minimum wage are trying to provide for their families.

Worse - they simultaneously say that people should be GRATEFUL for any job they get, AND that anyone who works at one of those jobs is a loser, AND that those jobs should pay less.

In a discussion on what employers owe employees, a Conservative once pressed me to agree with him that employers owe employees only enough compensation to keep them from quitting. I said, “Sure, if you agree that employees owe only enough work to keep from getting fired.”

He was horrified! “That’s what’s wrong with America!” Apparently, for the employer it’s a business arrangement wherein he gets as much as possible for as little as possible, while for the employee there’s some kind of holy obligation to always give your absolute best effort, not matter how poorly you’re paid.

103 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:08:04pm

re: #99 ProTARDISLiberal

He’s done some good stuff since then. And a number of Doctor Who audio stories. I want a contrast to Matt Smith’s 11th.

Less awkward, more suave.

So in other words…

Matt Berry.

104 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:09:43pm

And of course…

105 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:10:57pm

re: #104 Gus

And of course…

[Embedded content]

I’ll take my word from someone who actually knows what he’s talking about rather than someone with a blatant agenda.

106 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:10:58pm

Landay (McClatchy) is kind of a nutburger that thinks Schindler is still on “the NSA payroll.”

107 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:11:56pm

re: #104 Gus

And of course…

[Embedded content]

“Yeah John, why you gotta flash your credentials around?! I wanna listen to Snowden, who’s got a decade of experience in the NSA! And was commanding a $200k/yr salary!”

108 Mattand  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:12:02pm

re: #82 erik_t

I’ve been a loyal Ars reader for at least 8.0e-2 centuries, but I’m at about my wit’s end with them. The coverage has been both poor and overwhelming in volume. If you want to use your tech journalism platform to bitch about SOPA, that’s one thing, but this is out of control.

I don’t go to Slashdot much anymore, either.

As I’ve bitched before, many of the people on the This Week in Tech podcasts have been almost swooning over Snowden. It gets a little tough to swallow, particularly in light of Charles pointing out how Greenwald constantly undercuts his own “ZOMG TEH GUBMINTS DONT KNEAD KNOW WARRENTS ” arguments.

109 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:12:29pm

re: #103 Kragar

However, Alexander Siddig is also an older man, and a Sudanese-Arab.

Siddig’s full name is “Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi”

This is Alexander Siddig now, at 47 years old.

110 Interesting Times  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:12:46pm

re: #102 Mateo Scrounge

Worse - they simultaneously say that people should be GRATEFUL for any job they get, AND that anyone who works at one of those jobs is a loser, AND that those jobs should pay less.

In a discussion on what employers owe employees, a Conservative once pressed me to agree with him that employers owe employees only enough compensation to keep them from quitting. I said, “Sure, if you agree that employees owe only enough work to keep from getting fired.”

He was horrified! “That’s what’s wrong with America!” Apparently, for the employer it’s a business arrangement wherein he gets as much as possible for as little as possible, while for the employee there’s some kind of holy obligation to always give your absolute best effort, not matter how poorly you’re paid.

If that wingnut was an employer, at least I could chalk it up to Randian selfish dickitude. If he’s an employee, then he’s a self-hating lick-spittle for the 1%.

111 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:13:09pm
112 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:13:42pm

re: #102 Mateo Scrounge

Worse - they simultaneously say that people should be GRATEFUL for any job they get, AND that anyone who works at one of those jobs is a loser, AND that those jobs should pay less.

In a discussion on what employers owe employees, a Conservative once pressed me to agree with him that employers owe employees only enough compensation to keep them from quitting. I said, “Sure, if you agree that employees owe only enough work to keep from getting fired.”

He was horrified! “That’s what’s wrong with America!” Apparently, for the employer it’s a business arrangement wherein he gets as much as possible for as little as possible, while for the employee there’s some kind of holy obligation to always give your absolute best effort, not matter how poorly you’re paid.

God forbid you bring up places like Costco and how they’re making money hand over fist while paying their employees way above minimum to start with, providing benefits, and giving them a friendly work environment to enjoy.

113 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:16:13pm

re: #109 ProTARDISLiberal

However, Alexander Siddig is also an older man, and a Sudanese-Arab.

Siddig’s full name is “Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi”

This is Alexander Siddig now, at 47 years old.

Image: Berry_Matt1.jpg

114 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:18:05pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

God forbid you bring up places like Costco and how they’re making money hand over fist while paying their employees way above minimum to start with, providing benefits, and giving them a friendly work environment to enjoy.

I tried pointing out that employment is a business transaction for BOTH, and in any business transaction, the goal of both sides is to get the MOST for the LEAST.

Nope. Giving your maximum effort regardless of how poorly you’re paid is a moral obligation, but for the employer, the moral obligation extends only as far as the least possible compensation.

115 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:18:54pm

re: #114 Mateo Scrounge

I tried pointing out that employment is a business transaction for BOTH, and in any business transaction, the goal of both sides is to get the MOST for the LEAST.

Nope. Giving your maximum effort regardless of how poorly you’re paid is a moral obligation, but for the employer, the moral obligation extends only as far as the least possible compensation.

Did you point out that he had something brown at the end of his nose?

116 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:19:54pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

God forbid you bring up places like Costco and how they’re making money hand over fist while paying their employees way above minimum to start with, providing benefits, and giving them a friendly work environment to enjoy.

Also, I WORKED FOR A YOONYUN ONCET, AND THEY DIDN’T WORK HARD, AND GOT PAID ANYWAY!!!11!1!

117 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:20:18pm

re: #100 Gus

Of course, Greenwald define terrorism in his own unique fashion:

…the term [terrorism] at this point seems to have no function other than propagandistically and legally legitimizing the violence of western states against Muslims while delegitimizing any and all violence done in return to those states. - Glenn Greenwald, ‘Comment is Free’, May 23, 2013

What about Muslim-on-Muslim violence, Glenn? When Sunnis in Pakistan blow up a Shi’a mosque, is that terrorism? Is what Assad does every day in Syria terrorism? Or is the fact that Muslim-on-Muslim violence has been far worse than any West-on-Muslim (or Muslim-on-West) violence too inconvenient for the narrative?

118 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:20:40pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Did you point out that he had something brown at the end of his nose?

No. He was more the employER class.

119 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:20:43pm

re: #109 ProTARDISLiberal

However, Alexander Siddig is also an older man, and a Sudanese-Arab.

Siddig’s full name is “Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi”

This is Alexander Siddig now, at 47 years old.

I could see him as the Doctor.

120 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:21:00pm

re: #113 Kragar

Nope, not gonna push me out of my position.

Alexander Siddig, like David Tennant, has experience in Doctor Who before the show itself.

David Tennant also played parts in Audio Plays, albeit much earlier (2001-2005). Alexander Siddig has also been doing this (2008-2012).

121 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:21:50pm

re: #118 Mateo Scrounge

No. He was more the employER class.

In other words, he feels the only problem is that slavery isn’t legal, else he wouldn’t even have to bother cutting paychecks.

122 Interesting Times  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:22:27pm

re: #118 Mateo Scrounge

No. He was more the employER class.

If that’s his attitude toward everything in life - “I do the least, you do the most!” - I hope his wife cheats on him with the poolboy as much as possible.

123 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:23:01pm

Well, if the 12th Doctor isn’t a Black Muslim Lesbian in a wheelchair, the BBC are no better than Stormfront.
//

124 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:23:40pm

re: #117 Ian G.

What about Muslim-on-Muslim violence, Glenn? When Sunnis in Pakistan blow up a Shi’a mosque, is that terrorism? Is what Assad does every day in Syria terrorism? Or is the fact that Muslim-on-Muslim violence been far worse than any West-on-Muslim (or Muslim-on-West) violence too inconvenient for the narrative?

Yep. Was thinking about this. I would also like to ask Greenwald if he thinks al-Qaeda and the Taliban represent Islam.

125 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:26:08pm
126 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:26:47pm

Does anyone here get 5 fucking weeks off w/full pay? Congress does, starting at the close of business on Fri (if any of them bother to show up).

You just know the RWNJs are going to be spreading all the crap they know how, and digging away for that Kenyan birth certificate.

I’m stocking up on extra popcorn because, you just know Georgie is going to be stopped for speeding again.

127 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:26:54pm

re: #123 Mateo Scrounge

That is pretty close to what I have heard.

128 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:28:32pm

re: #100 Gus

Of course, Greenwald define terrorism in his own unique fashion:

…the term [terrorism] at this point seems to have no function other than propagandistically and legally legitimizing the violence of western states against Muslims while delegitimizing any and all violence done in return to those states. - Glenn Greenwald, ‘Comment is Free’, May 23, 2013

Wow, that’s quite a statement. And it’s in the context of a British citizen being hacked to death with a meat cleaver on a public street. Apparently Greenwald thinks this was a legitimate form of retaliation.

What an awful human being.

129 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:28:51pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

re: #122 Interesting Times

He was actually relatively moderate, at least as we’d define it today. His primary objection to things like entitlements was fiscal, not moral. The thing is, his view of the employer/employee relationship is characteristic of the Right. You can hear it in things like, “No poor man ever gave me a job!”

GAVE you a job? Nobody EVER ‘gave’ me a job. Jobs aren’t a gift, they’re a business arrangement. Your employer needs what you can do for him. Seeing it as something the employer GIVES you is revoltingly servile on the one hand, or paternalistic on the other.

130 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:28:54pm

re: #126 Justanotherhuman

Does anyone here get 5 fucking weeks off w/full pay? Congress does, starting at the close of business on Fri (if any of them bother to show up).

You just know the RWNJs are going to be spreading all the crap they know how, and digging away for that Kenyan birth certificate.

I’m stocking up on extra popcorn because, you just know Georgie is going to be stopped for speeding again.

My Dad did, in the 70’s. After 25 years with the corporation, a 1b of flesh, but, luckily not his first born.

131 Slap  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:29:12pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Did you point out that he had something brown at the end of his nose?

Reminds me of one of my favorite Uncle Frank quotes:

“NOBODY looks good in brown lipstick.”

132 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:29:47pm

re: #131 Slap

Reminds me of one of my favorite Uncle Frank quotes:

“NOBODY looks good in brown lipstick.”

Not true. I had dark skinned customers who did. Red looked awful on some of them.

133 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:30:35pm
134 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:30:42pm

re: #127 ProTARDISLiberal

That is pretty close to what I have heard.

Some folks take themselves FAR too seriously.

135 Slap  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:30:43pm

re: #132 FemNaziBitch

Not true. I had dark skinned customers who did. Red looked awful on some of them.

Spoilsport!

136 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:31:02pm
138 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:32:14pm

DPS subpoenas two Twitter accounts over alleged threats

Two Twitter accounts with messages criticizing Texas Republican leaders for recently passed abortion restrictions have been subpoenaed by the Department of Public Safety in the investigation of a “terroristic threat.”

I noticed that Twitter totally disregarded the directive that they not reveal the existence of the subpoenas.

139 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:32:20pm

Something like 50,000 Pakistanis have died in the past 10 years from internal fighting. Not from drones. Not from the US military. Internal sectarian violence.

140 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:33:18pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

I made this a few days ago but haven’t had occasion to deploy it until now:

Tea Party Jesus

141 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:33:53pm

DERP
Dim Jim publishes a “history” article by some RWNJ revisionist who claims that the “Southern Strategy” never, ever happened. Nope, the GOP are the same progressives and the Dems are the same racists as 150 years ago.
GAH.
Suck a bag of dicks, Dim Jim.
You too, Hating Breitbart.

142 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:34:31pm

re: #126 Justanotherhuman

Does anyone here get 5 fucking weeks off w/full pay?

I did, at my previous employer. 5 weeks PTO/year, which you could use as either sick time or vacation. When they laid me off in the last throes of dwindling away, I had 8 weeks PTO to be paid out.

143 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:34:55pm

re: #140 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I made this a few days ago but haven’t had occasion to deploy it until now:

Tea Party Jesus

EXCELLENT!

144 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:35:26pm

Pakistani authorities impose curfew after jailbreak
About 240 prisoners escaped during the Taliban attack on Dera Ismail Khan Central Prison, officials say.
By Javed Aziz Khan
2013-07-30

145 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:36:10pm

Uzbek security services step up anti-terror fight
The country’s military and law enforcement academies will begin offering anti-terrorism courses starting this September.
By Maksim Yeniseyev
2013-07-30

146 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:36:57pm

Someone should notify Pakistan and Uzbek about Greenwald’s “feelings” about terrorism because they sure seem to have major concerns over terrorism.

147 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:37:14pm

re: #145 Gus

Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan?

148 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:37:45pm

re: #141 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

DERP
Dim Jim publishes a “history” article by some RWNJ revisionist who claims that the “Southern Strategy” never, ever happened. Nope, the GOP are the same progressives and the Dems are the same racists as 150 years ago.
GAH.
Suck a bag of dicks, Dim Jim.
You too, Hating Breitbart.

[Embedded content]

Silly VB CWA. Don’t you know that anything bad any Democrat ever did in the history of ever applies to all Democrats till the end of time, while bad things that even the entire Republican party did any time in the past, or present, don’t count at all?

149 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:38:11pm
150 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:38:46pm

‘Smart’ homes open doors to hackers

[…]

“If someone can access your home network, but doesn’t have a key to your home, they can still unlock your door and get in,” Crowley said of what he found in gear on the market.

[…]

C’mon, we know the NSA can walk right through your door anytime they want to.

151 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:39:04pm

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

My Dad did, in the 70’s. After 25 years with the corporation, a 1b of flesh, but, luckily not his first born.

Yeah, but this isn’t the only long vacay they get. Cantor calls it “district work periods”. washingtonpost.com

152 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:40:25pm

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, but this isn’t the only long vacay they get. Cantor calls it “district work periods”. washingtonpost.com

I’m sure there’s a junket to the Caymans to check on Mitt Romney’s money something important.

153 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:41:00pm

re: #126 Justanotherhuman

Does anyone here get 5 fucking weeks off w/full pay? Congress does, starting at the close of business on Fri (if any of them bother to show up).

Yep. I get 3 weeks (120 hrs) vacation/PTO w/full pay/benifits as well as 2 weeks (80 hrs) paid sick leave that I can cash in at the end of the year . But then again, I have been with my current Employer for 20 years as of 21 July.

154 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:41:00pm

re: #150 freetoken

I had to talk to 3 different managers to explain to them why I didn’t have a mobile phone listed in my emergency contact information.

“I don’t have one.”
“But we need to have a number in the field.”
“Put my home number.”
“But its not your mobile number.”
*sigh*

155 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:41:26pm

Pakistan condemns Ramadan attacks
The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan-affiliated group Ansar-ul-Mujahideen has claimed responsibility for the Parachinar bombings that killed at least 60 fasting Muslims July 26.
By Javed Aziz Khan
2013-07-29

…Ansar-ul-Mujahideen - a little-known Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP)-affiliated militant organisation - claimed responsibility, according to the group’s spokesman, Abu Baseer.

Reports of 60 deaths were on the low side, local Parachinar political leader Riaz Ali Turi said. At least 73 people were killed, he said.

Calls for action against terrorists

The attacks caused many to protest and generated calls for authorities to punish the culprits.

Majlis Wadat-ul-Muslimeen, a Shia Muslim organisation, staged a demonstration outside the Peshawar Press Club on July 28 where men and women of multiple generations strongly condemned the killings. They chanted slogans against the terrorists and called on the government to take action…

156 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:41:55pm

But drones.

157 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:42:17pm

re: #150 freetoken

‘Smart’ homes open doors to hackers

C’mon, we know the NSA can walk right through your door anytime they want to.

This is why I’m skeptical of wireless unlocking and starting of cars, ‘home controls’ where you can turn on lights and adjust the thermostat over the internet, etc. Maybe I’m a Luddite, but I see great potential for mischief.

158 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:42:50pm

Glenn Greenwald could not be reached for comment.

159 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:42:57pm

re: #149 Kragar

This is some bullshit right here.

Federal Judge: Catholic Church Has a Constitutional Right Not to Compensate Victims of Sex Abuse

Yeah, trying to create the goodl ole’ days of the WHoly Roman Empire.

Those days are over. Didn’t they judge get the memo?

160 Lidane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:43:02pm
161 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:44:06pm

re: #157 Mateo Scrounge

This is why I’m skeptical of wireless unlocking and starting of cars, ‘home controls’ where you can turn on lights and adjust the thermostat over the internet, etc. Maybe I’m a Luddite, but I see great potential for mischief.

Feline Overlord approves.

162 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:44:39pm

Here is this revisionist idiot

163 erik_t  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:44:57pm

re: #160 Lidane

When an event gets coverage with more cameras than participants, that’s a pretty good sign the media has swollen beyond reasonable usefulness.

164 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:45:07pm
165 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:45:21pm

re: #149 Kragar

This is some bullshit right here.

Federal Judge: Catholic Church Has a Constitutional Right Not to Compensate Victims of Sex Abuse

Honestly, this shit is going to to come to a head soon. RC church buying up hospitals, trying to control women’s health care … .

Nuns on a Bus was just the beginning. …

166 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:46:26pm

re: #160 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Youtube Video

167 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:46:39pm
Blame Edward Snowden if you soon find yourself paying more for frozen broccoli at the grocery store, or your special someone doesn’t bring you roses on your anniversary.
Ecuador President Rafael Correa has been using the National Security Agency leaker’s surveillance scandal as a reason to pull out of trade agreements with the United States that, until now, have kept Ecuadorian imports of frozen broccoli, canned artichokes and flowers tariff-free. But as trade agreements expire and political tensions intensify between Ecuador and the United States, the consumer may begin to feel the pinch.

As of midnight this Wednesday, frozen broccoli, canned artichokes and cut flowers from Ecuador will be subject to significant tariffs, as high as 14.9 percent for broccoli and 6.8 percent for certain types of flowers.

Read more: politico.com

168 Lidane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:47:04pm

re: #165 FemNaziBitch

Honestly, this shit is going to to come to a head soon. RC church buying up hospitals, trying to control women’s health care …

And all of it tax free.

If these people are so concerned about politics and the political process in this country, let them pay their admission price like everyone else. It’s bullshit that these churches can rake in billions and buy large amounts of real estate and not owe taxes on any of it.

169 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:47:11pm

I’ve got more respect for the Mafia than I do for the Church.

170 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:48:07pm

re: #153 Bubblehead II

Yep. I get 3 weeks (120 hrs) vacation/PTO w/full pay/benifits as well as 2 weeks (80 hrs) paid sick leave that I can cash in at the end of the year . But then again, I have been with my current Employer for 20 years as of 21 July.

I’ll bet your yearly calendar doesn’t look like this, though: Scribd Document

171 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:48:35pm
172 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:48:40pm

re: #169 Kragar

I’ve got more respect for the Mafia than I do for the Church.

You think the are two separate entities?

173 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:48:48pm

re: #160 Lidane

Fewer than ten

[Embedded content]

Ya know, if there were “fewer than 10” why didn’t they just go ahead and tell us how many were there?

174 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:49:09pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Who you callin’ a ‘cracker’??

175 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:49:45pm

BTW, Nuns on a Bus is still going strong —on immigration now.

176 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:50:21pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Is that for all the special racists in our lives?

177 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:50:53pm

Facepalm

Kenyan lawyer takes State of Israel, Jews to Hague over Jesus’ death

Dola Indidis wants the IJC to consider a re-trial of Jesus Christ, convict those responsible for his unlawful crucifixion.

178 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:51:03pm

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

You think the are two separate entities?

The Mafia gets rid of child molesters in their organization.

179 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:51:05pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I love this place.

180 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:51:26pm

re: #178 Kragar

The Mafia gets rid of child molesters in their organization.

This is true, and most likely compensates the victims somehow, anonymously.

181 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:51:31pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Better than the creepy ass crackers.

182 Lidane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:51:56pm

Heh.

183 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:52:07pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Ah, humans. How so many can look at that and not see it. XD

184 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:52:51pm

re: #183 Varek Raith

Ah, humans. How so many can look at that and not see it. XD

You’ve never been an Ass. Manager?

185 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:53:17pm

re: #173 b.d.

Ya know, if there were “fewer than 10” why didn’t they just go ahead and tell us how many were there?

They didn’t want to assume some of the stage crew were “ex-gays”.

186 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:53:26pm
187 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:53:45pm

re: #184 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You’ve never been an Ass. Manager?

I’m now an Ass. Director.

188 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:53:50pm

re: #173 b.d.

Ya know, if there were “fewer than 10” why didn’t they just go ahead and tell us how many were there?

Counting iz hard.

189 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:54:20pm
190 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:54:43pm

Speedy Gonzales’ much slower cousin.

191 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:54:44pm

re: #187 Mateo Scrounge

I’m now an Ass. Director.

A friend of mine was Ass. Coach for a football Ass.

192 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:54:57pm

re: #189 Gus

[Embedded content]

That’s just wrong.

193 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:55:02pm

re: #189 Gus

[Embedded content]

Don’t tell Bryan Fischer.

194 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:55:05pm

re: #189 Gus

[Embedded content]

I don’t trust that snout.

195 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:55:09pm

re: #189 Gus

[Embedded content]

We need fire. Lots of fire.

196 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:55:32pm

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

Youtube Video

197 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:55:47pm

en.wikipedia.org

Ok, wiki no longer likey hotlinking.
Fair enough.

198 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:56:07pm

re: #197 Varek Raith

Image: File:Waterbear.jpg

The requested content cannot be loaded.
Please try again later.

199 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:56:13pm

re: #197 Varek Raith

Image: File:Waterbear.jpg

Requested content cannot be loaded.

ETA: M u s t t y p e f a s t e r . . . .

200 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:56:23pm

re: #170 Justanotherhuman

I’ll bet your yearly calendar doesn’t look like this, though: [Embedded content]

I wish it did, along with what he gets paid. But on the other hand, I at least can honestly state that I earned those benefits. They weren’t handed to to me on a Silver platter.

201 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:56:33pm

Yep, edited.

en.wikipedia.org

202 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:56:51pm
203 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:57:14pm

re: #194 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I don’t trust that snout.

Almost looks like a plastic snout.

204 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:57:40pm
205 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:58:40pm

re: #191 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

A friend of mine was Ass. Coach for a football Ass.

One of the labels we canned for at the fruit processing company my Dad worked for (and so did I, every goddam summer!) was called ‘Finast’. It was apparently a grocery chain. I remember joking, “Damn, that is some Finast applesauce!”

206 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:58:41pm

re: #202 darthstar

[Embedded content]

My thoughts exactly.

207 BongCrodny  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:59:13pm

re: #183 Varek Raith

Ah, humans. How so many can look at that and not see it. XD

Personally, if I was making minimum wage with no benefits, I would consider it my sacred duty to keep that sign up as long as possible.

208 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:59:23pm

From

Visions of Earth 2013 - Photo Gallery - National Geographic Magazine

Germany—A color-enhanced electron microscope photo reveals a half-millimeter-long tardigrade in moss. Called water bears, these eight-legged, alien-looking invertebrates can survive extreme pressure, radiation, and temperatures—and years without food.

209 Lidane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:59:40pm

re: #190 darthstar

Speedy Gonzales’ much slower cousin.

Don’t underestimate Slowpoke Rodriguez. He’s tougher than he looks. ;)

210 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:59:44pm

re: #204 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Challenge accepted!!

211 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:00:16pm

Freaks.

Temperature - tardigrades can survive being heated for a few minutes to 151 °C (424 K or 304 F),[22] or being chilled for days at −200 °C (73 K or -328 F),[22] or some can survive temperatures for a few minutes at −273 °C (~1 degree above absolute zero/0 Kelvin or -458 F).[23]

Pressure - they can withstand the extremely low pressure of a vacuum and also very high pressures, more than 1,200 times atmospheric pressure. Tardigrades can survive the vacuum of open space and solar radiation combined for at least 10 days.[24] Some species can also withstand pressure of 6,000 atmospheres, which is nearly six times the pressure of water in the deepest ocean trench, the Mariana trench.[14]

Dehydration - although there is one report of a leg movement in a 120-year-old specimen from dried moss,[25] this is not generally considered “survival”,[26] and the longest tardigrades have been shown to survive in a dry state is nearly 10 years.[27][28] When exposed to extremely low temperatures, their body composition goes from 85% water to only 3%. As water expands upon freezing, dehydration ensures the tardigrades do not get ripped apart by the freezing ice.[29]

Radiation - tardigrades can withstand 1,000 times more radiation than other animals,[30] median lethal doses of 5,000 Gy (of gamma-rays) and 6,200 Gy (of heavy ions) in hydrated animals (5 to 10 Gy could be fatal to a human).[31] The only explanation found in earlier experiments for this ability was that their lowered water state provides fewer reactants for the ionizing radiation.[32] However, subsequent research found that tardigrades, when hydrated, still remain highly resistant to shortwave UV radiation in comparison to other animals, and that one factor for this is their ability to efficiently repair damage to their DNA resulting from that exposure.[33]

212 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:00:53pm

Moar…

apod.nasa.gov

213 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:01:44pm

re: #211 Varek Raith

Freaks.

Tardigrades In Space (TARDIS)

214 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:02:07pm

re: #211 Varek Raith

Freaks.

Bullets Don’t Stop Them!!!!

215 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:02:21pm

Oh, look:

Dola Indidis to vie for the Bondo seat

Former Judiciary spokesman Dola Indidis has formally joined the race for the Bondo parliamentary seat ahead of the forthcoming general elections.

Declaring his entry into elective politics, Mr. Indidis said his decision was realized after a thorough soul searching and consultations with family members and friends, adding that he is strong and capable of serving his people, now that the incumbent Dr. Oburu Oginga has his eyes set on the Siaya County Senate post.

Indidis who has also served as police spokesman before switching to the judiciary where he served in the same capacity, expressed optimism that he is the right person that can lead Bondo constituency to much greater heights in terms of development.

[…]

He wouldn’t be the first politician to invoke Je$u$ to help him politically.

216 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:02:25pm

re: #212 Gus

Moar…

apod.nasa.gov

I just do not believe this particular photo.

Looks like a mock-up.

217 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:02:42pm

bbl

218 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:03:13pm
219 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:03:22pm

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

I just do not believe this particular photo.

Looks like a mock-up.

Let me check.

220 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:03:22pm
221 bubba zanetti  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:03:36pm

re: #214 Mateo Scrounge

Move over honey badger, the water bears truly don’t give a shit.

222 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:03:50pm
223 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:04:07pm

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

I just do not believe this particular photo.

Looks like a mock-up.

Image: tumblr_m37vyv8GKV1r6bovho1_1280.jpg

224 abolitionist  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:05:28pm

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

I just do not believe this particular photo.

Looks like a mock-up.

It’s not a photograph. Quote:
Pictured above in a color-enhanced electron micrograph, a millimeter-long tardigrade crawls on moss.

225 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:05:53pm

re: #211 Varek Raith

Freaks.

This reminds me of The Andromeda Strain:

“It’s growing!”

“In a vaccum? Bombarded by radiation? Impossible!”

226 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:06:20pm

Obdi you are wasting your time arguing with those Twitter asshats. Just make fun of them with snappy insults.

227 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:06:42pm

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

I just do not believe this particular photo.

Looks like a mock-up.

Hooke said that the farther you delve into the realm of the natural, the more perfect things appear, whereas when you look at manmade things under the miscroscope, they appear like crude slag-heaps.

Image: blog_huvitz_Pin-40x.jpg

228 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:07:16pm

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

I just do not believe this particular photo.

Looks like a mock-up.

I just did a quick re-reading and there are no “Water Bears” in the Bible so I am claiming FAKE!!1!

229 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:07:32pm
Tardigrades are more common than humans across most of the Earth

I for one welcome our new Tardegradian overlords, especially if they give Bryan Fischer nightmares.

230 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:07:50pm

re: #224 abolitionist

It’s not a photograph. Quote:
Pictured above in a color-enhanced electron micrograph, a millimeter-long tardigrade crawls on moss.

They have an electron microscope. Moar here: eyeofscience.com

231 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:07:54pm

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

I just do not believe this particular photo.

Looks like a mock-up.

It’s a false-color electron micrograph.

232 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:08:02pm
233 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:08:15pm

re: #213 Gus

Well, we know what nation named the mission.

234 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:08:21pm

Wingnuts believe this shit:

235 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:08:59pm

Here is a report on his 2007 attempt:

Nairobi laywers seek justice for Jesus

All Nairobi is waiting for the court’s ruling about the ‘legality’ of Jesus Christ’s trial and death penalty some 2,000 years ago. A team of Lawyers in Kenya have moved to court to challenge Pontius Pilate’ s ruling.

Led by Dola Idindis and Humphrey Odanga of the Civil Liberty Union, the lawyers argue that the trial of Jesus Christ was a human rights violation and are seeking orders against the Roman government over prosecutorial misconduct, judicial misconduct, and malicious prosecution, fabrication of evidence and abuse of office committed against Jesus Christ.

[…]

Ambulance chaser…

236 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:10:05pm

re: #234 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Wingnuts believe this shit:

[Embedded content]

lol. Yeah that’s why you lost. It can’t possibly because your candidate was less likable than a piece of moldy bread and that he offered no real solutions outside tax cuts for him and his and spending cuts on important programs. It was the damn IRS.//

237 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:10:09pm

re: #224 abolitionist

It’s not a photograph. Quote:
Pictured above in a color-enhanced electron micrograph, a millimeter-long tardigrade crawls on moss.

Looks like a caterpillar wearing a suit made out of canvas.

238 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:10:12pm

re: #234 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Wingnuts believe this shit:

[Embedded content]

Citation needed.

239 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:10:18pm

re: #235 freetoken

Here is a report on his 2007 attempt:

Nairobi laywers seek justice for Jesus

Ambulance chaser…

Did anybody point out that Jesus totally had to die in order for everyone else to be “saved”? Isn’t that the whole point of Christian doctrine? (Just askin’ questions)

240 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:11:07pm

re: #235 freetoken

Here is a report on his 2007 attempt:

Nairobi laywers seek justice for Jesus

Ambulance chaser…

Lets see how he collects his fees from Jesus.

241 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:12:23pm

Tardigrade: Water Bear
Scanning Electron Microscopy
DB Stolz, Ph.D., Jonathan Franks, M.S.

242 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:12:42pm

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

I just do not believe this particular photo.

Looks like a mock-up.

Agree. The nose looks like it is made of plastic. But otoh nature is weird.

Gus, you trying to pull a fast one? :-)

243 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:13:06pm
244 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:13:32pm

re: #239 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Did anybody point out that Jesus totally had to die in order for everyone else to be “saved”? Isn’t that the whole point of Christian doctrine? (Just askin’ questions)

Man, the Romans must really be worried about this. I haven’t heard them say a thing about this.

245 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:14:06pm

re: #242 Bubblehead II

Agread. The nose looks like it is made of plastic. But otoh nature is weird.

Gus, you trying to pull a fast one? :-)

Erm. It’s an electron micrograph that was color enhanced. Meaning the “topography” is real. Anywho, BBL.

246 stone  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:17:34pm
Read this section carefully — because what Greenwald is detailing does not support Snowden’s claim at all. Greenwald is describing searching a database for information on non-US citizens.

The NSA documents show that XKeyscore enables analysts to access the information of US citizens from the database without a prior court order. An analyst authorized to access the system has the technological capacity to do what he claimed. Without a warrant such an action directed at a US citizen not believed to be in contact with a foreign person would be illegal, but the technological capacity is there with or without the warrant.

247 erik_t  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:18:36pm

Welcome, hatchling.

248 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:18:48pm

re: #246 stone

Welcome, hatchling.

249 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:19:25pm

re: #150 freetoken

‘Smart’ homes open doors to hackers

C’mon, we know the NSA can walk right through your door anytime they want to.

en.wikipedia.org

A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a U.S. Military project to create “a breed of ‘super soldier’” who would “have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls”. Stubblebine reportedly attempted to walk through walls himself.

These days he’s an “alternative medicine” kook.

250 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:19:45pm

Where did Greenwald pull that “300” number from? Show us the documents where it says that, GG.

Or did he confuse it with this, published in June:

“WASHINGTON — Top U.S. intelligence officials said Saturday that information gleaned from two controversial data-collection programs run by the National Security Agency thwarted potential terrorist plots in the U.S. and more than 20 other countries — and that gathered data is destroyed every five years.

“Last year, fewer than 300 phone numbers were checked against the database of millions of U.S. phone records gathered daily by the NSA in one of the programs, the intelligence officials said in arguing that the programs are far less sweeping than their detractors allege.

Read more: nydailynews.com

251 Flounder  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:23:08pm

Partitioning a new hard drive on my wife’s mac, so easy a caveman could do it. ( I just jinxed meself!)

252 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:26:20pm
253 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:27:41pm

re: #162 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Here is this revisionist idiot

gop passed the civil rights act & like segregation, slavery, blacks/women voting democrats voted against

pointless since nobody believes the modern gop is pro civil rights

in fact, the only reason they doth protest too much is because they know how obvious their current day racism is

254 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:28:13pm

DERP

255 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:28:47pm

Formula 2016:

Poll: Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio Are Republican Voters’ Favorite Republicans

I notice that Christie has the highest unfavorable rating.

256 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:30:18pm

MOAR BULLSHIT REVISIONIST DERP

257 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:30:26pm
259 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:32:02pm

re: #258 Kragar

Man who says demons attack him says we shouldn’t operate in a fantasyland

Are you linking to Glenn Greenwald again?

260 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:32:18pm

gop passed the civil rights

“i’m glad you feel nostalgic for the days when the republican party had a respectable position on civil rights. too bad it took over from the racist dixiecrats”

261 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:32:21pm

re: #250 Justanotherhuman

Where did Greenwald pull that “300” number from? Show us the documents where it says that, GG.

It’s on page 28 of the XKeyscore presentation here:

theguardian.com

262 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:32:33pm

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Oh, all those things exist. Just not together.

263 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:33:14pm

That page 28 is followed by a couple of blacked out pages, presumably with more details on captured terrorists.

264 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:33:26pm

re: #259 freetoken

Are you linking to Glenn Greenwald again?

You wish.

265 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:34:27pm

re: #258 Kragar

Man who says demons attack him says we shouldn’t operate in a fantasyland

I seriously wonder how The Onion’s writers can stand to read the news anymore.

266 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:35:00pm

re: #246 stone

Without a warrant such an action directed at a US citizen not believed to be in contact with a foreign person would be illegal, but the technological capacity is there with or without the warrant.

A cop has the technological capacity to kick my door down, too.

267 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:35:06pm

I’m still somewhat boggled at the idea that there are people out there who thinks its news that the US government has agencies which spy on the world.

268 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:35:51pm

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Things that Glenn Greenwald’s fan club likes to pretend exist: Evidence of abuse, evidence that Clapper lied, evidence that Udall and Wyden are being totally truthful, and evidence that the program is a failure.

269 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:37:12pm

Conservative Groups Want End to IRS Media Blackout

Nearly 200 conservative and Tea Party leaders are demanding that major news media outlets end their virtual blackout on the IRS targeting scandal.

Brent Bozell, president of the Media Research Center, is spear-heading the move, along with conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins, and other prominent conservatives.

“The liberal media’s refusal to cover the IRS scandal — more than the NSA scandal, more than DOJ’s surveillance of journalists, more even than the tragic loss of life in Benghazi — cuts to the very heart of their corruption,” they said in a joint statement released July 25.

270 erik_t  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:37:26pm

Here’s something a little happier.

Image: cityhall.jpg

The Minneapolis City Hall is preparing for forty-odd notable (GHEY!!!!!!1) marriages, ceremonies starting at midnight CDT.

271 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:38:00pm

This XKeyscore document says nothing at all about how any of this information is collected. Some of this looks like it does not come from Internet scanning, but from other types of surveillance - like files and search histories.

For example, one of the slides says the database can also show all the “exploitable machines” in a country - presumably systems connected to the Internet using older unpatched OSes with security holes. These would be discovered through the use of a web crawler.

272 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:38:51pm

re: #269 Kragar

Conservative Groups Want End to IRS Media Blackout

Lack of caring is not evidence of a blackout, dipshits. When all you can do is keep going over the same ground, each time asserting that this time you’ll “prove” Obama is corrupt, people stop giving a shit.

273 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:39:07pm
274 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:40:12pm
276 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:41:24pm
277 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:42:16pm

WINGNUT PROJECTION AT WORK

278 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:42:32pm

re: #245 Gus

Erm. It’s an electron micrograph that was color enhanced. Meaning the “topography” is real. Anywho, BBL.

Works for me.

279 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:42:36pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

NSA Chief Alexander to Hackers: We Don’t Abuse Power, ‘And That’s No Bullshit’

The only people who we have any evidence of abusing their powers has been Manning and Snowden.

280 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:43:07pm

re: #261 Charles Johnson

It’s on page 28 of the XKeyscore presentation here:

theguardian.com

OK. It also shows only 4 sites in the US, out of approx 150, and 700 servers. Those 300 were in a graphic that showed “Rel to USA, AUS, CAN, GBR, NZL. It doesn’t mean that those went through the NSA.

Are we supposed to believe that XKeyscore is exclusive to the NSA and all those other 146 sites and various servers in the many overseas countries belong to the NSA and not those countries own security agencies?

281 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:43:28pm
282 teresa  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:44:54pm

Glenn is a master of demagoguery, let’s just review what a good demagogue does: they use polarizing propaganda that motivates members of an ingroup to hate and scapegoat some outgroups, largely by promising certainty, stability, and what Eric Fromm famously called “an escape from freedom. So if you just take every word of his as truth, always, then you are fine according to Glenn, you know truth, (we hear him say this all the time) but if you are concerned about the 4th amendment, but don’t see the world as Greenwald does, otherwise you are the gestapo, stupid, a shill for the administration, etc and so on. He can’t stop himself, demagogues never can. It is easy to recognize a demagogue, because they seek to significantly undermine the quality of public debate. Take for instance Glenn’s inabilty to carry on a normal conversation or have a discussion with anyone on the subject matter without distorting the issue. For example last night he freaked out on Jeff Toobin, a guy I don’t particularly like, but Greenwald simply cannot have a discussion with anyone who disagrees with him and he seeks to disqualify the speaker, so instead of a normal response to Toobin, Greenwald yelled, you are calling for the end of investigative journalism, which was clownish at best. Ugh… another nice informative piece… thanks.

283 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:45:48pm

re: #269 Kragar

Conservative Groups Want End to IRS Media Blackout

“End their silence”

Wow, these people just chug that Kool-aid don’t they?

284 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:46:30pm
285 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:46:59pm

re: #282 teresa

Greenwald is an opportunist. He’s made a living by pandering to the imaginations of anti-authoritarian activists who need to have an enemy to validate their feelings.

286 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:47:26pm

You know what would be awesome?

A debate between David Barton and Reza Aslon on the history of Christianity.

287 Lidane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:50:39pm

re: #235 freetoken

Here is a report on his 2007 attempt:

Nairobi laywers seek justice for Jesus

288 Carlos Dangler  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:52:36pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

No kidding, they probably think you’re supposed to root for Mr. Bumble in Oliver Twist.

The poorer everyone else is, the richer they appear.

289 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:52:38pm
290 ObserverArt  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:53:16pm

I see really blurry lines with Glenn Greenwald. Other so-called journalist are falling into the same ill-defined art.

Is Greenwald a reporter in any classic sense, or is he now an op-ed writer fitting into the loose lines of a blogger? Maybe even a bit of science-fiction thrown into the facts to make it more scary.

It really is getting to the point you can not trust much of anything anymore because you just do not know if you are getting facts or color commentary.

Charles is catching that in how Greenwald uses words to color and uses placement in his stories like he is writing a play. Dramatic effect.

You have to gather several articles and cut and paste and read the summation of what you think you read. Or something like that.

Sort of like a William S. Burroughs book. Hmmm. Ol’ Bill might have been on to something.

291 Carlos Dangler  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2:59:49pm

re: #82 erik_t

I’ve been a loyal Ars reader for at least 8.0e-2 centuries, but I’m at about my wit’s end with them. The coverage has been both poor and overwhelming in volume. If you want to use your tech journalism platform to bitch about SOPA, that’s one thing, but this is out of control.

I don’t go to Slashdot much anymore, either.

No shit…first with Manning and Assange, now with Snowflake and Greenwald, Ars’ comments sections on any article that even remotely connected with those four are overrun with approval from glibertarian emoprogs who also tend to think Bitcoins are going to supplant the dollar one day as a major global currency or some shit like that.

Makes me want to find the nearest brick wall and use it to bash my skull in.

292 Carlos Dangler  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 3:23:19pm

re: #102 Mateo Scrounge

Worse - they simultaneously say that people should be GRATEFUL for any job they get, AND that anyone who works at one of those jobs is a loser, AND that those jobs should pay less.

In a discussion on what employers owe employees, a Conservative once pressed me to agree with him that employers owe employees only enough compensation to keep them from quitting. I said, “Sure, if you agree that employees owe only enough work to keep from getting fired.”

He was horrified! “That’s what’s wrong with America!” Apparently, for the employer it’s a business arrangement wherein he gets as much as possible for as little as possible, while for the employee there’s some kind of holy obligation to always give your absolute best effort, not matter how poorly you’re paid.

“Conservative” logic:”The poors must work themselves to the bone, without complaint, in order to receive from me the meager scraps that fall from my table, so that I might continue to hoard enough money to purchase a small Caribbean country.”

293 Lancelot Link  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 3:25:41pm

re: #268 Targetpractice

Things that Glenn Greenwald likes to pretend don’t exist: his affiliation with the Cato institute, his anti-immigration articles, his work for white-supremacist domestic terrorists…

294 teresa  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 3:28:18pm

re: #293 Lancelot Link

Or his support of the Supreme Courts Citizen United decision. Umm humm, that one is telling isn’t it, because it is something his bosses the Koch bros needed.

295 Dave In Austin  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 3:34:02pm

WTF???!!! COOKIES???

What a POS!!

296 Carlos Dangler  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 3:39:36pm

re: #160 Lidane

Awkward…

297 jaywal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:38:41am

Snowden himself did not say he “could” wiretap anyone but he claimed that he had the “authority” to wiretap anyone. That is not the same. And Greenwald is deliberately omitting that so it is not conflicting with the paragraph about warrents Charles quoted.


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