NSA Press Statement on Greenwald’s XKeyscore Revelations

“Allegations of unchecked analyst access to NSA collection data are simply not true”
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Bob Cesca points out a new statement from the NSA on the latest Greenwald hyperbole:

Here’s the statement in full:

Press Statement on 30 July 2013

As the IC and NSA have stated previously, the implication that NSA’s collection is arbitrary and unconstrained is false. NSA’s activities are focused and specifically deployed against - and only against - legitimate foreign intelligence targets in response to requirements that our leaders need for information necessary to protect our nation and its interest. Public release of this classified material about NSA collection systems, without context, does nothing more than jeopardize sources and methods, and further confuse a very important issue for the country. Although it is impossible to provide full details of classified programs and still have them remain effective, we offer the following points for clarification:

  1. XKEYSCORE is used as part of NSA’s lawful foreign signals intelligence collection system. By the nature of NSA’s mission, which is the collection of foreign intelligence, all of our analytic tools are aimed at information we collect pursuant to lawful authority to respond to foreign intelligence requirements - nothing more.
  2. Allegations of widespread, unchecked analyst access to NSA collection data are simply not true. Access to XKEYSCORE, as well as all of NSA’s analytic tools, is limited to only those personnel who require access for their assigned tasks. Those personnel must complete appropriate training prior to being granted such access - training which must be repeated on a regular basis. This training not only covers the mechanics of the tool but also each analyst’s ethical and legal obligations. In addition, there are multiple technical, manual and supervisory checks and balances within the system to prevent deliberate misuse from occurring.
  3. Our tools have stringent oversight and compliance mechanisms built in at several levels. One feature is the system’s ability to limit what an analyst can do with a tool, based on the source of the collection and each analyst’s defined responsibilities. Not every analyst can perform every function, and no analyst can operate freely. Every search by an NSA analyst is fully auditable, to ensure that they are proper and within the law.

These types of programs allow us to collect the information that enables us to perform our missions successfully - to defend the nation and to protect US and allied troops abroad. (For example, as of 2008, there were over 300 terrorists captured using intelligence generated from XKEYSCORE.)

Continuous and selective revelations of specific techniques and tools used by NSA to pursue legitimate foreign intelligence targets is detrimental to the national security of the United States and our allies, and places at risk those we are sworn to protect - our citizens, our war fighters, and our allies.

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124 comments

1 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:31:42pm

I have a feeling all will not go well with Glennlandia.

2 FurryNavyDude  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:31:46pm
Continuous and selective revelations of specific techniques and tools used by NSA to pursue legitimate foreign intelligence targets is detrimental to the national security of the United States and our allies, and places at risk those we are sworn to protect - our citizens, our war fighters, and our allies.

All of that is immaterial. Greenwald has a book to sell.

3 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:31:52pm
4 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:33:38pm

re: #3 darthstar

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Easy for GG to talk about this from his lair in Brazil.

5 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:37:47pm
6 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:39:42pm

Nobody tell the Tea Party: The Senate is actually confirming Obama’s nominees, after Reid made it clear he’d really go nuclear on the filibuster if they didn’t.

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:41:09pm

Ugh. I guess I have to watch Greenwald just to see how badly he distorts.

8 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:41:55pm

re: #6 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Nobody tell the Tea Party: The Senate is actually confirming Obama’s nominees, after Reid made it clear he’d really go nuclear on the filibuster if they didn’t.

Hence the threat to primary McConnell.

9 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:42:33pm

re: #3 darthstar

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Chris Hayes? *sigh*

This thing has turned into Derp Spiral

10 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:42:35pm
11 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:43:01pm

The future of our national security capabilities is in the hands of the House and the Senate, now.

How comforting!

12 erik_t  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:45:00pm

I want to know what Zimmerman’s brother thinks about Lon Snowden. Get your shit together, Anderson.

13 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:46:02pm

DERP
Passport is a totally valid ID you asshole. In fact it is the preferred form of ID for TSA.

14 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:46:50pm

re: #12 erik_t

I want to know what Zimmerman’s brother thinks about Lon Snowden. Get your shit together, Anderson.

Is the NSA listening in on the Royal Baby?

15 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:46:56pm

Okay…this is fucking cool.

16 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:48:46pm
17 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:51:52pm
18 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:52:54pm

re: #13 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

DERP
Passport is a totally valid ID you asshole. In fact it is the preferred form of ID for TSA.


She’ll probably write the incident up for notalwaysworking.com (stories of bad/stupid employees), which is a spinoff of notalwaysright.com (stories of bad/stupid customers).

For Erickson we’d need a somewhat different site: alwaysnotright.com

19 AntonSirius  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 4:55:24pm

I don’t know why the NSA bothers.

There is absolutely nothing they or anybody else can say at this point to convince the Glennbots that they aren’t Histories Greatest Monsters, gleefully and wantonly violating civil liberties even as we speak.

20 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:01:20pm

re: #19 AntonSirius

I don’t know why the NSA bothers.

There is absolutely nothing they or anybody else can say at this point to convince the Glennbots that they aren’t Histories Greatest Monsters, gleefully and wantonly violating civil liberties even as we speak.

…and they listen!

21 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:02:36pm

This is wrong. “The XKeyscore system is continuously collecting so much internet data that it can be stored only for short periods of time.” From Mother Jones.

22 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:05:43pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Dog says hello to a lizard:

Lizard says, “Bleah!”

23 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:07:22pm

re: #21 Gus

This is wrong. “The XKeyscore system is continuously collecting so much internet data that it can be stored only for short periods of time.” From Mother Jones.

Yup, already they’re getting it totally wrong in the after-reporting.

24 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:10:05pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Yup, already they’re getting it totally wrong in the after-reporting.

Checked. From the Guardian:

William Binney, a former NSA mathematician, said last year that the agency had “assembled on the order of 20tn transactions about US citizens with other US citizens”, an estimate, he said, that “only was involving phone calls and emails”. A 2010 Washington Post article reported that “every day, collection systems at the [NSA] intercept and store 1.7bn emails, phone calls and other type of communications.”

The XKeyscore system is continuously collecting so much internet data that it can be stored only for short periods of time. Content remains on the system for only three to five days, while metadata is stored for 30 days. One document explains: “At some sites, the amount of data we receive per day (20+ terabytes) can only be stored for as little as 24 hours.”

25 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:10:41pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Yup, already they’re getting it totally wrong in the after-reporting.

But this appears to be a point to point program. Not a mass sniffer of sorts.

26 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:12:04pm

Says here in this slide:

Image: KS9-001.jpg

“If you know the particular website the target visits.” Target. As in one suspect at a time. Not the plural, targets.

27 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:12:23pm
28 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:13:07pm

Greenwald now saying that nobody checks or monitors analysts who access XKEYSCORE.

29 erik_t  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:13:48pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Greenwald now saying that nobody checks or monitors analysts who access XKEYSCORE.

Ah. The NSA doesn’t believe in, I dunno, managers. Or bosses of any kind. It’s all ZOOOM POW WOOOO MAGIC CLOAK AND DAGGER SHIT.

What a dumbass.

30 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:13:53pm

re: #10 Gus

REVELATIONS!!

31 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:13:57pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Greenwald now saying that nobody checks or monitors analysts who access XKEYSCORE.

Why, because Binney told him this?

32 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:14:20pm

“First time in human history…”
“Massive surveillance state, with no checks or oversight…”

33 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:16:22pm

The NSA is building a Death Ray.

34 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:16:23pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Greenwald now saying that nobody checks or monitors analysts who access XKEYSCORE.

No managers! No directors! Analysts run wild with no oversight or accountability! It’s like Lord of the Flies!
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35 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:17:30pm

re: #33 Varek Raith

The NSA is building a Death Ray. Star

Fixed for extra coolness factor.

36 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:17:31pm

Chris Hayes’ head was bobbing up and down so much in agreement at the end of his convo w/GG that I thought it was going to come off.

37 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:17:52pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Greenwald now saying that nobody checks or monitors analysts who access XKEYSCORE.

So it’s a free-for-all NSA? With no bosses watching what you do?

So the NSA employees are the only follks on the entire f*cking planet that no one is watching?

38 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:18:31pm

re: #36 Justanotherhuman

Chris Hayes’ head was bobbing up and down so much in agreement at the end of his convo w/GG that I thought it was going to come off.

Chris Hayes does look a little like the old Taco Bell dog.

39 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:19:00pm

re: #37 b.d.

So it’s a free-for-all NSA? With no bosses watching what you do?

So the NSA employees are the only follks on the entire f*cking planet that no one is watching?

Apparently they’re also the only folks on the entire fucking planet that NSA employees aren’t watching.

40 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:19:35pm

re: #38 b.d.

Chris Hayes does look a little like the old Taco Bell dog.

‘Yo quiero primetime slot!’

41 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:19:47pm

re: #37 b.d.

So it’s a free-for-all NSA? With no bosses watching what you do?

So the NSA employees are the only follks on the entire f*cking planet that no one is watching?

Strange, that.

42 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:19:51pm

re: #9 b.d.

Yes. Chris is a SnowBro.

43 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:21:06pm
44 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:22:44pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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THERE ARE ROGUE AGENTS WITHIN THE NSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

45 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:23:04pm

So a real spy, not a wannabe like whatshisname, got a job at the NSA he would never, ever be caught and could access anything that he chooses for ever and ever?

46 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:23:17pm

Greenwald also said that given the history of the United States, it’s absolutely inevitable that the NSA surveillance systems will be used against US citizens.

47 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:23:22pm

re: #44 Gus

THERE ARE ROGUE AGENTS WITHIN THE NSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, not so much, now that Snowden’s gone.
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48 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:23:46pm

re: #45 b.d.

So a real spy, not a wannabe like whatshisname, got a job at the NSA he would never, ever be caught and could access anything that he chooses to do forever and ever?

It’s a carefree kind of place.

49 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:23:55pm

No 1 thinks that Inez, except maybe you.

50 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:23:57pm

re: #44 Gus

THERE ARE ROGUE AGENTS WITHIN THE NSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The call is coming from within the NSA!

51 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:24:06pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Greenwald also said that given the history of the United States, it’s absolutely inevitable that the NSA surveillance systems will be used against US citizens.

FEMA CAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! AGENDA 21!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DEATH PANELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

52 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:24:21pm

re: #50 b.d.

The call is coming from within the NSA!

Good one.

53 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:24:34pm

WTF, Chris?
WTF.

54 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:25:26pm
55 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:25:33pm

Ann Coulter revisionist Derp:
Bobby Kennedy was a total racist! Nixon was teh Civil Rights activist.
That why MLK totally hung out with Dick. Gotcha.

56 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:26:39pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Greenwald also said that given the history of the United States, it’s absolutely inevitable that the NSA surveillance systems will be used against US citizens.

Says the guy who described the Joe McCarthy era as something “temporary”, a blip on the American radar.

And GG is the guy who described Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson as “farther left” than Obama. Yeah, so far left he entered into the far right spectrum.

57 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:27:14pm

I can only conclude that many of the younger “news” reporters and announcers are bored with life, and need something to entertain themselves.

This is becoming as silly as the BENGHAZI!! nonsense.

58 GeneJockey  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:28:56pm

re: #49 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

No 1 thinks that Inez, except maybe you.

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Perhaps she has first-hand knowledge. Perhaps her employer checked out her Twitter feed.

59 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:28:58pm

re: #54 jaunte

Image: femacoff.png

Seems unnecessarily bulky. A zippered nylon bag would work just as well.

60 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:29:44pm

re: #58 Mateo Scrounge

Perhaps she has first-hand knowledge. Perhaps her employer checked out her Twitter feed.

Well she interns at Heritage, they pay her to post Teh Derp.

61 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:31:53pm

re: #54 jaunte

Image: femacoff.png

Are they going to fatten us up at the FEMA camp or put 2 other people in each “coffin”?

62 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:32:22pm

Two sides to every story.

So this story got two Pages.

How Hollywood Helped Hitler-An article about a book-The Collaboration: Hollywood’s Pact with Hitler (Harvard University Press, on sale Sept. 9), Harvard post-doctoral fellow Ben Urwand uncovers a darker side to Hollywood’s past.

And Then-Does ‘The Collaboration’ Overstate Hollywood’s Cooperation With Hitler?

Kind of interesting about how certain actions are viewed today. Hindsight etc.

63 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:32:29pm

re: #61 b.d.

It may be the Costco Jumbo Pack.

64 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:33:30pm
65 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:35:41pm

What I want to know is:
How does Greenwald know all of this from his bunker in Brazil?
Is he collecting NSA metadata?
Who’s watching the watchman watching the watchmen?
So many questions…
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66 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:35:54pm

To quote a person who was tired of the bullshit he was witnessing at the Army-McCarthy hearing in 1954… To GG: “You’ve done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”

68 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:42:55pm

Circular firing squad getting nasty:

Rep. Peter King says Sen. Rand Paul reminds him of Hitler appeasers

In the feud between Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie (R), Congressman Peter King (R-NY) is firmly on the side of Christie.

Speaking to CNN on Wednesday, King compared Paul to those who advocated a policy of appeasement towards Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.

“He talks about us wanting to start wars and somehow people enjoy war and he talks about how we want to bomb everything,” he said. “Is that what he thinks our military does?”


“What this reminds me of, someone like Senator Paul and others in that isolationist wing,” King continued, “you know the Republicans had this debate back in the 1930s when you had the isolationists and the Charles Lindberghs saying we should appease Hitler, then the Democrats had it in the 1960s when the anti-war movement blamed America first and in both cases it hurt the party for years, each party was hurt for years.”

[…]

69 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:44:04pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

This makes sense to me. The original set of Snowden slides also had the feel of a sale pitch to customers of intelligence information.

70 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:45:49pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

This makes sense to me. The original set of Snowden slides also had the feel of a sale pitch to customers of intelligence information.

Or to Congress to ensure that the smooth flow of cash keeps coming.

71 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:46:16pm
72 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:47:38pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

This makes sense to me. The original set of Snowden slides also had the feel of a sale pitch to customers of intelligence information.

Unfortunately for Snowjob, you don’t make your bones in spycraft by being someone at his level, basically a flunky cum thief.

73 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:49:48pm

Hillsdale College apologizes after president calls minority students ‘dark ones’

Hillsdale College issued an apology after its president referred to non-white students at the private Michigan school as “dark ones” during testimony at an education hearing Wednesday.

Hillsdale College President Larry Arnn told lawmakers during testimony against the state’s adoption of Common Core standards in reading, writing and math that his college had been approached by the Michigan Department of Education because they “didn’t have enough dark ones,” referring to minority students.


[…]

Hillsdale college is home to some noted racists, and some of its faculty are referred to on various racist sites, like VDARE, as experts. They have hosted the likes of Jared Taylor and Charles Murray.

74 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:49:59pm

re: #72 Justanotherhuman

Unfortunately for Snowjob, you don’t make your bones in spycraft by being someone at his level, basically a flunky cum thief.

I’m certainly not assuming Snowden put any of those slide packages together. Senior people would be responsible for them, assuming they were in fact sales pitches.

75 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:51:16pm

Cat says, ‘No walkies for you!’

Youtube Video

Later, lizards.

76 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:52:00pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Nasty little bugger. Infections are rare (128 cases in the US since 1962), but nearly always fatal. One survivor, current case status TBD.

77 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:53:32pm

Note that article on Hillsdale is at a regular news outlet, but the racists come out strong. Only a few comments on the story, but they include:

David Lindsay · Top Commenter
Bingo Chris! And……the color of someone’s skin doesn’t even register with Dr. Arnn. Larry Arnn is cerebral, and a constitutional genius, respected world wide. These idiot democrat politicians are not even qualified to carry Dr. Arnn’s shoes.
Reply · 9 · · 2 hours ago

David Shovan · Top Commenter · Wayne State University
David Lindsay The lib democrats act so offended,but wonder if they said anything when the Vice-President comes out with his remarks about gas stations and donut shops owned by people from India. Diversity is perversity.
Reply · 3 · · about an hour ago

78 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:56:45pm

Larry Arnn, btw, has a long history of connection to the institutional racists in the far right.

And, he’s been a board member of the Heritage Foundation for over 10 years.

79 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:57:32pm
80 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 5:59:01pm

re: #79 Gus

I saw that.
Scary as hell !!!

81 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:02:00pm

re: #80 OhNoZombies!

I saw that.
Scary as hell !!!

And he deleted it.

82 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:04:32pm

Scary organ music ought to accompany this headline:

U.S. admits millions of phone records risk scrutiny

The News Industry needs to feed, and feed it does.

83 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:08:42pm

re: #81 Gus

WTF? Jesus.

OMG, that dude’s Twitter feed is horrifying.

84 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:08:59pm

About threats and abusive comments - I’ve actually been advised by two separate, independent lawyers over the years that the best way for a website owner to handle this kind of thing is to … do nothing. Because when you take action, you open yourself up to liability issues. Take no action, no liability.

I suspect this is a factor in how Twitter handles this issue as well.

85 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:11:30pm

re: #81 Gus

And he deleted it.

Too late.
Cyber space is like Las Vegas:
What happens on the net, stays on the net.

86 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:11:35pm

re: #82 freetoken

Scary organ music ought to accompany this headline:

U.S. admits millions of phone records risk scrutiny

The News Industry needs to feed, and feed it does.

Scary organ music coming right up!
Youtube Video

87 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:15:56pm

re: #63 jaunte

So THAT’S why Costco so freely distributes samples!

88 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:19:00pm

Perpetuating one of the oldest scams in the region:

Relics unearthed in Turkey said possibly linked to Jesus

Archaeologists digging at an old church site in Turkey say they found a stone chest containing a relic that may be a part of the wood cross on which Jesus died.

The items were discovered during excavations at the Balatlar Church in the northern province of Sinop near the Black Sea, built in A.D. 660, Today’s Zaman reported Wednesday. The researchers also found a stone with crosses carved in it, the newspaper said.

“We have found a holy thing in a chest. It is a piece of a cross, and we think it was” part of the cross on which Jesus was crucified, the Anadolu Agency quoted Professor Gulgun Koroglu as saying. “This stone chest is very important to us. It has a history and is the most important artifact we have unearthed so far.”

[…]

89 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:20:20pm

Evening Lizardim.

90 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:21:37pm

re: #88 freetoken

Perpetuating one of the oldest scams in the region:

Relics unearthed in Turkey said possibly linked to Jesus

I’m all for the historicity of Jesus and everything, but this finding of holy relics is SO Middle Ages. Give it a rest, guys. There are no holy relics.

91 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:23:27pm

re: #88 freetoken

Enough pieces of the true cross have been bought/sold over the centuries to populate an entire forest.

92 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:24:30pm

re: #90 thedopefishlives

There are no holy relics.

Save the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch:

“And the Lord spake, saying, “First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.”

93 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:24:59pm

re: #90 thedopefishlives

I’m all for the historicity of Jesus and everything, but this finding of holy relics is SO Middle Ages. Give it a rest, guys. There are no holy relics.

In the 1970s the rage was looking for Noah’s Arc (in Turkey). They never found it. Wonder why?

Good night, please stay out of trouble until I return tomorrow (you never know who is watching/listening).

94 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:25:07pm

Goldie Taylor found the guy’s blog , or whateverthefuck that was.
I made the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad mistake of opening the link she posted…
Jeezus.

95 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:25:19pm

Dumbasswhitedude.

96 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:25:56pm

re: #93 Iwouldprefernotto

In the 1970s the rage was looking for Noah’s Arc (in Turkey). They never found it. Wonder why?

Good night, please stay out of trouble until I return tomorrow (you never know who is watching/listening).

They claimed they found some shit, but it was never excavated, supposedly they had “too much reverence.” Oh please.

97 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:26:25pm

re: #96 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

They claimed they found some shit, but it was never excavated, supposedly they had “too much reverence.” Oh please.

Even better was the “now you see it, now you don’t” on the aerial/satellite photographs.

98 b.d.  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:26:30pm

re: #90 thedopefishlives

I’m all for the historicity of Jesus and everything, but this finding of holy relics is SO Middle Ages. Give it a rest, guys. There are no holy relics.

But it is from the true cross just like that fragment I bought in Jerusalem.

99 bratwurst  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:27:14pm

re: #90 thedopefishlives

I’m all for the historicity of Jesus and everything, but this finding of holy relics is SO Middle Ages. Give it a rest, guys. There are no holy relics.

Well this is a bit of a holy relic! ;)

100 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:28:53pm

re: #99 bratwurst

Well this is a bit of a holy relic!

Relic, yes. But unholy rather than holy.

101 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:28:55pm

re: #99 bratwurst

Well this is a bit of a holy relic!

UNholy relic, perhaps./

102 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:29:08pm

re: #19 AntonSirius

I don’t know why the NSA bothers.

There is absolutely nothing they or anybody else can say at this point to convince the Glennbots that they aren’t Histories Greatest Monsters, gleefully and wantonly violating civil liberties even as we speak.

Because if you ignore the allegation you risk having it pass into the received media narrative about the overall issue. The target of the NSA’s words is not the far-right and far-left; It harbors no illusions that it will be able to sway Rand Paul. But if the NSA responds diligently, and honestly it can limit the spread of the conspiracy theories.

103 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:30:32pm

re: #100 EPR-radar

Relic, yes. But unholy rather than holy.

Dammit, you, get out of my head. Didn’t you read the sign that says, “No Vacancies?”

104 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:30:54pm

re: #100 EPR-radar

Relic, yes. But unholy rather than holy.

Well, his arguments are holy at least.


Holy in the sense that they are full of holes.

105 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:31:49pm

OH PLEASE.

106 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:33:10pm
107 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:33:57pm

I wonder how many of these wingnuts who have a “Negro” as their Twitter avi are actually people of color.

My guess is none of them.

108 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:34:31pm

re: #106 Gus

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It means you have it bookmarked so that you can hate-reTweet it later.

109 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:34:34pm

Lemmy, isolated.

Youtube Video

110 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:34:54pm

re: #107 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

I wonder how many of these wingnuts who have a “Negro” as their Twitter avi are actually people of color.

My guess is none of them.

They’re only fooling themselves.

111 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:35:16pm

re: #106 Gus

Let me “Google” that for you, Greta.
lmgtfy.com

112 AntonSirius  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:35:48pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

Because if you ignore the allegation you risk having it pass into the received media narrative about the overall issue. The target of the NSA’s words is not the far-right and far-left; It harbors no illusions that it will be able to sway Rand Paul. But if the NSA responds diligently, and honestly it can limit the spread of the conspiracy theories.

And how’s that working for them so far?

If there was a gif of Chris Hayes’ bobbing head already, I’d use it here.

113 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:36:25pm
114 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:38:21pm

re: #112 AntonSirius

And how’s that working for them so far?

If there was a gif of Chris Hayes’ bobbing head already, I’d use it here.

It’s a fair point that the media is useless. However, official press releases still have their uses. There needs to be something out there to balance out the exaggerations of Greenwald et al.

115 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:39:01pm
116 AntonSirius  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:39:48pm

re: #105 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

OH PLEASE.

117 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:39:59pm

And after 7 years?

118 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:41:19pm

re: #113 Gus

How a bunch of men mostly old enough to have plumbing issues can believe in this ‘intelligent design’ tripe is beyond comprehension.

The answer, of course, is that they don’t believe in ID at all. What they believe in is their version of biblical literalism, and they also believe that ID is a useful mask to put on when talking outside the tribe of true believers.

119 majii  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:45:18pm

This is reason # 5001 why I don’t watch Chris Hayes’ program.

120 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:46:48pm

Going up!

121 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:47:24pm

re: #112 AntonSirius

And how’s that working for them so far?

If there was a gif of Chris Hayes’ bobbing head already, I’d use it here.

They’re doing what they can. What needs to clearly be understood here is that “conspiracism is the symptom of a mind in flight from reality.” (Source the principle is Among the Truthers). There is nothing the NSA can do about that kind of reality denial except oppose it with the truth. The media is not going to help because shit-stirring is more profitable than conspiracy rebutting.

122 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:49:55pm

I Hired A Million Monkeys To Run My Company But They Typed The Entire Works Of Shakespeare Instead

a true story of modern capitalism at the minimum wage level

123 AntonSirius  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:53:52pm

I like this guy. He’s got moxie.

124 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:35:12am

Just because Greenwald hides behind the facade of ‘journalism’, how exactly is he different from Snowden and Manning in terms of criminality?


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