Creationists Get Influential Positions in Texas Science Textbook Review

Creationism never dies, it just smells funnier
Wingnuts • Views: 25,842

Remember the last time the religious right in Texas tried to sneak Christian creationism into public school science classes? Well, they’re back.

Actually, they never went away, and the Republican anti-science religious fanatics on the State Board of Education are making another big play to influence the textbooks that teach American kids biology: Alarm Bells Are Ringing: Creationists Get Influential Positions in Texas Science Textbook Review.

It looks like the Lone Star State’s reputation as a hotbed of anti-science fanaticism is about to be reinforced. At least six creationists/”intelligent design” proponents succeeded in getting invited to review high school biology textbooks that publishers have submitted for adoption in Texas this year. The State Board of Education (SBOE) will decide in November which textbooks to approve. Those textbooks could be in the state’s public school science classrooms for nearly a decade.

Among the six creationist reviewers are some of the nation’s leading opponents of teaching students that evolution is established, mainstream science and is overwhelmingly supported by well over a century of research. Creationists on the SBOE nominated those six plus five others also invited by the Texas Education Agency to serve on the biology review teams. We have been unable to determine what those other five reviewers think about evolution.

Although 28 individuals got invites to review the proposed new biology textbooks this year, only about a dozen have shown up in Austin this week for the critical final phase of that review. That relatively small overall number of reviewers could give creationists even stronger influence over textbook content. In fact, publishers are making changes to their textbooks based on objections they hear from the review panelists. And that’s happening essentially behind closed doors because the public isn’t able to monitor discussions among the review panelists themselves or between panelists and publishers. The public won’t know about publishers’ changes (or the names of all the review panelists who are in Austin this week) until probably September. Alarm bells are ringing.

Following are the six creationists/evolution critics we have identified so far on the biology review teams:

  • Raymond Bohlin is vice president of vision outreach for Probe Ministries in Plano and a research fellow for the Seattle-based Discovery Institute. The Discovery Institute promotes the pseudoscientific concept “intelligent design” over evolution. Founded in 1973, Probe works “to present the Gospel to communities, nationally and internationally, by providing life-long opportunities to integrate faith and learning through balanced, biblically based scholarship.” Bohlin has a doctorate in molecular and cell biology from the University of Texas at Dallas, making him a star performer for anti-evolution groups. He is listed as a “Darwin Skeptic” on the Creation Science Hall of Fame website. Probe and the Creation Science Hall of Fame promote a fundamentalist, literal interpretation of the Bible’s creation story. We know that Bohlin is in Austin this week to participate in the biology review panel meetings.
  • Walter Bradley is a retired Baylor University professor of engineering who coauthored a book, The Mystery of Life’s Origins in 1984, that essentially launched the “intelligent design” movement. “Intelligent design” suggests a scientific basis for creationism (creationism dressed up in a lab coat). Bradley, founding fellow of the Discovery Institute’s Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture, is also listed as a “Darwin Skeptic” on the Creation Science Hall of Fame website. He is participating in the biology review panel meetings this week.
  • Daniel Romo is a chemistry professor at Texas A&M University and is listed as a “Darwin Skeptic” on the Creation Science Hall of Fame website. We don’t know yet whether Romo made it to Austin for the biology review panel meetings.
  • Ide Trotter is a longtime standard-bearer for the creationist movement in Texas, both as a source of funding and as a spokesperson for the absurdly named creationist group Texans for Better Science Education. Trotter, listed as a “Darwin Skeptic” on the Creation Science Hall of Fame website, is a veteran of the evolution wars at the SBOE and is participating the biology review panel meetings this week. He testified before the board during the 2003 biology textbook adoption and again in 2009 during the science curriculum adoption. In both instances, Trotter advocated including scientifically discredited “weaknesses” of evolution in Texas science classrooms. Trotter, who has a doctorate in chemical engineering, runs his own investment management company and served as dean of business and professor of finance at Dallas Baptist University. He claims that major scientific discoveries over last century have actually made evolutionary science harder to defend: “The ball is rolling and it’s going downhill. There are not enough forces on the side of Darwinism to keep pushing it back uphill forever.”
  • Richard White, a systems (network) engineer in Austin, testified at an SBOE hearing on the proposed science curriculum standards on March 25, 2009. At the time, he advocated the inclusion of phony “weaknesses” of evolution in Texas science standards: “…These are all well-known scientific problems with modern evolutionary theory, and they do not exhaust the list. The entire list is a very long one.” - White went on in his testimony to insist that teaching the mainstream scientific consensus concerning evolution without also presenting its alleged “weaknesses” amounted to forcing religious dogma on students. We don’t know whether White is participating in the review panels this week.
  • David Zeiger is a seventh-grade teacher at a Christian private school in North Texas. He holds a biochemistry degree from the University of Texas at Dallas. In 2009 he and his wife, Heather, opposed removing from the state’s science curriculum standards the requirement that students learn about so-called “weaknesses” of evolution. Creationists has used that requirement to insist that publishers include discredited arguments challenging evolution, such as supposed “gaps” in the fossil record. We don’t know whether Zeiger is participating the review panels this week.

We’ll have more on this soon.

Also see

Jump to bottom

414 comments

1 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:44:08pm

(reposted from downstairs)

How a bunch of men mostly old enough to have plumbing issues can believe in this ‘intelligent design’ tripe is beyond comprehension.

The answer, of course, is that they don’t believe in ID at all. What they believe in is their version of biblical literalism, and they also believe that ID is a useful mask to put on when talking outside the tribe of true believers.

2 AntonSirius  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:44:36pm

I wonder how long it will be before top-shelf universities start putting applicants from Texas at the bottom of the pile.

3 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:47:51pm

re: #2 AntonSirius

I wonder how long it will be before top-shelf universities start putting applicants from Texas at the bottom of the pile.

If I were in academia as a biology prof, I’d want to screen for this nonsense directly in applications. For example, an essay question something like: “Identify a current topic of debate in the life sciences and briefly describe the competing positions”

4 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:48:23pm

They wanted to defend their faith in the worst way; looks like they found it.

5 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:53:01pm

re: #4 jaunte

They wanted to defend their faith in the worst way; looks like they found it.

The obligatory Aquinas quote:

“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”

These nutballs are doing a lousy job of their Christian witnessing.

6 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:53:21pm

Keep religion out of science. End of story. People are free to practice whatever religion they wish but it has no place in science education. Look at it this way. The big bang and evolution was part of God’s plan.

7 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:58:22pm

re: #6 Gus

8 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 6:58:38pm

re: #6 Gus

The big bang and evolution was part of God’s plan.

THIS.

9 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:00:43pm



10 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:01:46pm

re: #6 Gus

Keep religion out of science. End of story. People are free to practice whatever religion they wish but it has no place in science education. Look at it this way. The big bang and evolution was part of God’s plan.

Yeah, but in the outer echelons of Wingnuttia, this is an absolutely heretical statement. There is a series of sermons out there specifically saying that evolution is anti-theological and that creationism is a central tenet of the Christian message. Seriously!

11 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:02:03pm

re: #8 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

THIS.

Yeah. I mean, as an atheist, I could give a shit, really, but why don’t these people want their god to be a super-smart god who designs the whole universe?

Conversely, who the hell can believe in a good and just god who personally designed everything when you take a look at the animal kingdom and how goiddamn horrific it is, with all the parasitism and the rape. And the homosexuals, not that that’s a bad thing, except to them it is.

12 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:05:01pm

A Million Monkeys Typing Shakespeare Get Influential Positions in Texas Science Textbook Review

declare existence of creationists to be logically impossible: ‘god does not play “d’oh!” with the universe’

13 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:05:02pm

re: #11 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah. I mean, as an atheist, I could give a shit, really, but why don’t these people want their god to be a super-smart god who designs the whole universe?

Conversely, who the hell can believe in a good and just god who personally designed everything when you take a look at the animal kingdom and how goiddamn horrific it is, with all the parasitism and the rape. And the homosexuals, not that that’s a bad thing, except to them it is.

Orthodox Jews used to be fairly progressive about accepting evolution, but in the 1970’s some rabbi got a hold of Discovery Institute propaganda and started spreading it around like a virus.

And there was a witch hunt against this very devout and also scientific rabbi.

Shameful.

14 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:05:08pm

Creationists reviewing text books is like witch doctors reviewing medical procedures.

None of these cretins have any business being allowed near anything involving education.

15 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:05:50pm

Is the world composed of the flayed halves of Tiamat or the rotting corpse of Ymir?

Teach the controversy!

16 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:08:04pm

re: #13 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Orthodox Jews used to be fairly progressive about accepting evolution, but in the 1970’s some rabbi got a hold of Discovery Institute propaganda and started spreading it around like a virus.

And there was a witch hunt against this very devout and also scientific rabbi.

Shameful.

Apparently creating the universe over billions of years using an vast yet intricate series of scientifically observable reactions doesn’t have enough pizazz for some people.

17 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:08:28pm

DERP.
This is just a random street corner NOT the Temple Mount.

18 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:09:08pm

There’s a BBC documentary in which they take a bunch of creationists on a road trip. During one encounter they feature a Christian scientist that also accepts, studies, and teaches evolution. No dice.

19 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:12:03pm

re: #6 Gus

The big bang and evolution was part of God’s plan.

Which God?

20 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:12:28pm

re: #19 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Which God?

Take your pick.

21 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:14:10pm

“The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe it.”
-Neil deGrasse Tyson

22 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:14:57pm

Do you ever get the feeling that the Axis is finally winning World War 2?

Detailed positions vary, of course, but with their commitment to superstition, mysticism, privilege, and authority, the Axis leaders and philosophers of old would be delighted at the present course of this society. First, they could gloat triumphantly that our Arsenal of Democracy, Detroit, has been reduced to ruin by the voodoo economics of outsourcing and the superstitious demonization of unions. Now, these mountebanks and frauds in Texas have a fair chance of institutionalizing a superstition that has not been commonly accepted in academic circles since the Middle Ages, all on the basis of authority alone and with disastrous consequences for our scientific leadership.
Perversely, these cranks who deny “survival of the fittest” in nature are the same ones who delight in applying it as an excuse for the callous vilification and exploitation of the poor, the unlucky, and the elderly, and the glorification of inherited or stolen wealth.

23 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:15:16pm

Creation Science Hall of “Fame”

Darwin Skeptics
A Select List of Science Academics,
Scientists, and Scholars Who are Skeptical of Darwinism creationsciencehalloffame.org

This is kind of like the cobbled together lists of people who claim there is no anthopogenic climate change.

24 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:16:14pm

“Steve Fuller PhD Professor of sociology at Warwick University. He has a BA in history and sociology from Columbia University, a M.Phil at Cambridge University and a PhD from The University of Pittsburg. He is a leader in the sociology of Science field and has published ten books and dozens of articles.”

25 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:16:39pm

“George A. Gates MD is Emeritus Professor of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery at the University of Washington. He is listed as one of the best doctors in Western Washington State.”

26 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:17:03pm

“Bruce Gay Ph.D. is Associate Professor and Director of the Criminal Justice Program at Campbell University. He hold a MA in Philosophy and a Ph.D. in Criminal Justice from Sam Houston State University. One of his areas is biological terrorism. He was formerly a Professor at Western Carolina University.”

27 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:17:27pm

Sciency.

28 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:18:14pm

MEANWHILE

29 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:19:10pm

re: #1 EPR-radar

How a bunch of men mostly old enough to have plumbing issues can believe in this ‘intelligent design’ tripe is beyond comprehension.

One of the two principle roles of religion is the personal one of dealing with our existential dilemma. While it is pretty clear that “ID” is a smokescreen to sneak in creationism, the old men of which you write are not going to want to revisit their beliefs in their old age, because, well, their terminal state is staring them in the mirror.

The religious euphemisms around death are intended to soften the pain, which is unbearable to some if they allow themselves to dwell upon it.

As such, no amount of argument is going to move the person who has found their “answer” in God, because ultimately it is the only answer allowable to them.

30 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:19:42pm
31 Lidane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:20:28pm

Yet another reason why the textbook industry is a total scam.

None of these asshoies would involve themselves in science education or in textbook review if Texas didn’t order a bajillion textbooks for its public schools and therefore set a trend in which books will be used in other states.

32 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:20:35pm

re: #19 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Which God?

Azathoth

33 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:20:45pm

DERP
That’s what this vet is going to come home to.

34 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:20:47pm

Sorry for the OT, but I must comment on George Zimmerman, trolling Texas with his gun.

WHAT THE FUCK

Dude is not just vigilante, we’ve got ourselves a live one.

RIP Trayvon, dead kid in his path.

35 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:20:51pm
36 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:22:26pm

re: #33 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

DERP
That’s what this vet is going to come home to.

[Embedded content]

Last I checked, active duty military didn’t have to pay for rent, food, or healthcare.

37 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:22:35pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Damn it. I’d need 20 of those for some of my Photoshop files.

38 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:23:29pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

Sorry for the OT, but I must comment on George Zimmerman, trolling Texas with his gun.

WHAT THE FUCK

Dude is not just vigilante, we’ve got ourselves a live one.

RIP Trayvon, dead kid in his path.

Wait, what the hell is going on now?

39 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:23:39pm

We need the moral and intellectual equivalent of the atomic bomb to defeat this new Axis of Idiocy.
I don’t know what might work, interdimensional travel, contact with aliens, immortality treatments.
A more practical possibility is a new Moon landing, with a permanent presence to result, or, better yet, a landing on Mars. Dennis Tito and his group are planning a Mars flyby as soon as 2018. It may happen sooner than you think, and with luddite fools denied even the slight pleasure of bellyaching about a “waste of the taxpayers’ money.”

40 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:23:53pm

re: #33 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

DERP
That’s what this vet is going to come home to.

Do you mean a job at Walmart, or to a country full of jackasses?
I’m guessing both.

41 Egregious Philbin  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:24:02pm

Lets grant Texas their wish and let them secede. (after we blow up their oil wells and infrastructure)

42 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:24:48pm

re: #36 Kragar

Last I checked, active duty military didn’t have to pay for rent, food, or healthcare.

43 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:25:00pm

re: #38 thedopefishlives

Wait, what the hell is going on now?

TMZ, yeah, but they have it. Darth posted this am

tmz.com

44 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:25:21pm

That’s so “white” of them!

45 Belafon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:25:36pm

re: #27 jaunte

I heard Johnny Bravo saying that.

46 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:26:17pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

TMZ, yeah, but they have it. Darth posted this am

tmz.com

There are so many things I want to say right now. None of them are acceptable.

47 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:27:39pm

re: #42 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

[Embedded content]

The apocryphal spitting hippies cared more about the veterans.

48 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:28:35pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

TMZ, yeah, but they have it. Darth posted this am

tmz.com

Yeah, I saw that on guns.com. Not good, not good at all.

49 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:29:20pm

re: #46 thedopefishlives

There are so many things I want to say right now. None of them are acceptable.

Well, what can you say about this?

North Carolina Gov. Gives Female Protester Cookies After Stripping Abortion Rights

50 freetoken  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:31:52pm

re: #49 Kragar

Well, what can you say about this?

North Carolina Gov. Gives Female Protester Cookies After Stripping Abortion Rights

Did they serve tea with the cookies?

51 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:32:10pm

re: #36 Kragar

Last I checked, active duty military didn’t have to pay for rent, food, or healthcare.

On food it depends. Some bases have greatly cut back on chow halls and instead they give the troops better quarters with kitchens and extra pay to cover their meals. Food costs go up, but the military saves money by not having to heat or air condition a large dining room and by not having to hire cooks as contractors.

52 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:32:43pm

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel

We need the moral and intellectual equivalent of the atomic bomb to defeat this new Axis of Idiocy.
I don’t know what might work, interdimensional travel, contact with aliens, immortality treatments.
A more practical possibility is a new Moon landing, with a permanent presence to result, or, better yet, a landing on Mars. Dennis Tito and his group are planning a Mars flyby as soon as 2018. It may happen sooner than you think, and with luddite fools denied even the slight pleasure of bellyaching about a “waste of the taxpayers’ money.”

It’s either that or the moral and intellectual equivalent of the Red Army. People will not tolerate exploitation, dis-enfranchisement, and lies if it is within their power to prevent it (and it is). It’s the superstition mongers’ call

53 Lidane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:33:44pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I saw that on guns.com. Not good, not good at all.

What did anyone expect? GZ is a trigger happy vigilante with a god complex that just got acquitted of a crime, and he’s being told by some folks that he’s a hero.

I fully expect him to act entitled and like he’s bulletproof.

54 Carlos Dangler  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:36:50pm

re: #49 Kragar

Well, what can you say about this?

North Carolina Gov. Gives Female Protester Cookies After Stripping Abortion Rights

re: #50 freetoken

Did they serve tea with the cookies?

I’m surprised that McCrory didn’t pat the lady on the head as he gave her the cookies.

55 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:38:21pm

Glibertarians and their GOP allies seem to think they can abolish the social safety net, women’s rights, and the minimum wage all at the same time if they can persuade a bare plurality of the voters to go along with it.

It won’t work that way.

56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:38:34pm

re: #20 Gus

Take your pick.

I pass.

57 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:40:23pm

re: #46 thedopefishlives

There are so many things I want to say right now. None of them are acceptable.

You and me both.

58 Belafon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:41:44pm

re: #33 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

59 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:41:46pm

re: #56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I pass.

Pawn to queen. //

60 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:42:04pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I saw that on guns.com. Not good, not good at all.

A paranoid killer (yeah, he killed someone already) with a gun. Zimmerman told cops he was headed “nowhere in particular,”

61 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:52:06pm
62 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:52:14pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

A paranoid killer (yeah, he killed someone already) with a gun. Zimmerman told cops he was headed “nowhere in particular,”

Going to be beyond furious if someone else gets killed by that guy and unfortunately it wouldn’t shock me.

63 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:54:30pm

re: #61 Gus

[Embedded content]

I found it very fascinating too. Thanks for the share.

64 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:56:43pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

I found it very fascinating too. Thanks for the share.

Ayep.

65 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:57:11pm

Who the hell gets in their car to head no where in particular?

66 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:57:26pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

Who the hell gets in their car to head no where in particular?

My grandpa?

67 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:58:36pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

Everyone in So Cal!
LOL!

68 Belafon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:59:04pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

When I was a kid, my parents would take us on trips for hours, and eventually end up back home. On some really long trips, we would stop at a store, buy a loaf of bread and some sandwich meat to eat, and resume the trip.

To this day I hate traveling.

69 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:00:31pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

Who the hell gets in their car to head no where in particular?

I can kind of understand that, but not speeding to get there.

70 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:01:25pm

re: #68 Belafon

When I was a kid, my parents would take us on trips for hours, and eventually end up back home. On some really long trips, we would stop at a store, buy a loaf of bread and some sandwich meat to eat, and resume the trip.

To this day I hate traveling.

Oh, I love doing that. I throw in stopping at random places along the way to take photographs too. My son, alas, is with you on disliking that kind of country drive :)

71 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:03:37pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

Who the hell gets in their car to head no where in particular?

Chuck Berry.

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:03:50pm

re: #68 Belafon

When I was a kid, my parents would take us on trips for hours, and eventually end up back home. On some really long trips, we would stop at a store, buy a loaf of bread and some sandwich meat to eat, and resume the trip.

To this day I hate traveling.

Hello Lizard Nation!

The Eastern Sierra tour continues!
Was up at Mammoth today to see Devils Polepile and Rainbow Falls. Then further north to see tufa and an extinct volcano at Mono Lake. Final stop before heading to the hotel was out to Bodie (three miles of dirt road and all.) Did not do the last justice due to being pretty footsore by then.

73 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:09:24pm

re: #68 Belafon

To this day I hate traveling.

I’m the same way about moving. The first ten years of my life my family moved at least once a year. It got old really quick.

74 Gus  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:19:49pm
75 Belafon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:20:02pm

re: #73 Romantic Heretic

My rule on traveling is that I don’t go to a place unless I am going to be there longer than it takes to get there and back. Exceptions for grocery shopping, family emergencies, and the august trip to take my oldest to college.

76 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:21:03pm

If I’m not mistaken Texas is another SYG state, isn’t it?

77 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:21:24pm

re: #73 Romantic Heretic

I’m the same way about moving. The first ten years of my life my family moved at least once a year. It got old really quick.

I hated the idea of moving. Moved for the first time when I was 2 and didn’t move again until I was 20 so yeah it was tough I guess after not having done it ever. I am glad I never moved while I was in K-12 school though.

78 Lidane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:21:29pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

Who the hell gets in their car to head no where in particular?

I used to do that. When I’d get stressed out I’d get in my car and just go driving for a while. No plan, no real agenda. I’d just drive and listen to music, or maybe stop at a bookstore or something.

I never had to speed to get anywhere though. That wasn’t the point.

79 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:23:00pm
80 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:23:00pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

Who the hell gets in their car to head no where in particular?

That’s how you keep your destination out of the media. Dude has a run and hide state of mind.

81 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:23:25pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg


Some limits:

Texas has a self-defense law based on the castle doctrine. The law has a “stand your ground” clause, meaning the person using physical or deadly force against an attacker does not have a duty to retreat. Deadly force is permissible under the law when a person is attempting to defend himself from deadly force of an attacker in his home, vehicle or place of employment, or against attackers who are committing crimes of kidnapping, murder, sexual assault or robbery.

The law provides civil immunity to persons who use authorized deadly force against attackers.
civilliberty.about.com

82 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:29:16pm

re: #81 jaunte

Some limits:

What’s the deal for driving around with a gun. Must it be registered in TX? Can you just leave a state and arrive to TX with your gun? (probably just fine)

No limits is what I’m guessing. And they bitched about “fast & furious” I betcha the Texas gun running is huge in comparison.

Typical.

83 Interesting Times  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:29:33pm

re: #81 jaunte

Some limits:

…do not apply to creeps who use the “durr hurr, bitch wouldn’t sleep with me” defense:

Jury acquits Texas man for murder of escort who refused sex

84 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:30:11pm

re: #83 Interesting Times

…do not apply to creeps who use the “durr hurr, bitch wouldn’t sleep with me” defense:

Jury acquits Texas man for murder of escort who refused sex

Still don’t know why he was acquitted. That was clear murder.

85 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:30:21pm

re: #82 Stanley Sea

What’s the deal for driving around with a gun. Must it be registered in TX? Can you just leave a state and arrive to TX with your gun? (probably just fine)

No limits is what I’m guessing. And they bitched about “fast & furious” I betcha the Texas gun running is huge in comparison.

Typical.

I think you have to have a concealed carry license, or the gun has to be boxed up.

86 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:35:07pm

The General Firearms Laws of The State of Texas:

However even with a handgun, in Texas, there are several places where a person may possess a handgun legally without the benefit of a Texas Concealed Handgun License (CHL). These places include:

A person’s residence or other real property under their control.
A person’s private motor vehicle or watercraft if the handgun is concealed, and the person is legal to possess a firearm, is not a member of a street gang, and is not engaged in the commission of a crime greater than a Class C misdemeanor traffic or boating violation.
A person engaged in lawful fishing, hunting, or other sporting activity on the immediate premises where the activity is conducted, or is en route between the premises and the persons’ residence or motor vehicle, if the firearm is a type commonly used in the activity.
uslawshield.com

87 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:35:38pm

The year 2013..Another Bot gets released on the Internet by a huge corporation to data mine our lives. Mankind is shocked that the government started doing what private industry has done for years. Collect data on us..Big shock!
Another Microsoft Bot is born..Cue Star Wars music and pan the scene of endless pods extending forever in a dark light, you know, like in the Matrix.
zdnet.com

…AskyBot.. who knew?

88 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:36:34pm

re: #87 HoosierHoops

The year 2013..Another Bot gets released on the Internet by a huge corporation to data mine our lives. Mankind is shocked that the government started doing what private industry has done for years. Collect data on us..Big shock!
Another Microsoft Bot is born..Cue Star Wars music and pan the scene of endless pods extending forever in a dark light, you know, like in the Matrix.
zdnet.com

…AskyBot.. who knew?

We unfortunately excuse a lot of crap corporate America does because free market something.

89 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:36:36pm

re: #86 jaunte

The General Firearms Laws of The State of Texas:

YEE HAW

90 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:38:10pm

In other news, my new job (day 3 completed) is righteous!

91 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:39:18pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

In other news, my new job (day 3 completed) is righteous!

Exciting.

92 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:43:15pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

In other news, my new job (day 3 completed) is righteous!

WOOT!

93 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:44:24pm

re: #82 Stanley Sea

What’s the deal for driving around with a gun. Must it be registered in TX? Can you just leave a state and arrive to TX with your gun? (probably just fine)

No limits is what I’m guessing. And they bitched about “fast & furious” I betcha the Texas gun running is huge in comparison.

Typical.

Some states do not count it as “carrying” if the gun stays in your car. Others do if the gun is not locked in a case in the trunk. There’s no uniform standard on that point.

94 Lidane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:51:38pm
95 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:53:04pm
96 jaunte  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:00:34pm

More from Texas:

Why, yes, Ted Cruz is a demagogue

“…As a way to separate himself from the pack at the expense of his fellow Republicans, however, Cruz’s tactics are hardly insane. They’re irresponsible, but if Cruz doesn’t have the willingness to demagogue, then he’s just a brand new Republican Senator with nothing to show for his first six months in office, and no plans to add anything substantive to his record before his already-begun presidential run. So expect plenty more of this in the months to come.”

97 celticdragon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:09:17pm

re: #72 Feline Fearless Leader

Hello Lizard Nation!

The Eastern Sierra tour continues!
Was up at Mammoth today to see Devils Polepile and Rainbow Falls. Then further north to see tufa and an extinct volcano at Mono Lake. Final stop before heading to the hotel was out to Bodie (three miles of dirt road and all.) Did not do the last justice due to being pretty footsore by then.

The eastern Sierras are frakking awesome. I love the Devils Postpile and Mono Lake.

98 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:18:32pm

re: #82 Stanley Sea

Texas. Love it or hate it…

Peaceable Journey

Gov. Perry also signed H.B. 1815 after passage by the 2007 Legislature, a bill that allows any Texas resident to carry a concealed handgun in the resident’s motor vehicle without a CHL or other permit.[8] The bill revised Chapter 46, Section 2 of the Penal Code to state that it is in fact not “Unlawful Carry of a Weapon”, as defined by the statute, for a person to carry a handgun while in a motor vehicle they own or control, or to carry while heading directly from the person’s home to that car. However, lawful carry while in a vehicle requires these three critical qualifiers: (1) the weapon must not be in plain sight (in Texas law, “plain sight” and “concealed” are mutually exclusive opposing terms);[9] (2) the carrier cannot be involved in criminal activities, other than Class C traffic misdemeanors; and (3) the carrier cannot be a member of a criminal gang.[10][1

99 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:31:26pm

Great…now even god hates Obama.

100 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:34:09pm

I think Zimmerman is headed to Mexico. I certainly hope that’s the case. He won’t last long there if he’s carrying a gun.

101 Mike Lamb  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:37:04pm

re: #72 Feline Fearless Leader

Head to Santa Rosa. Stop at Russian River Brewery. Don’t leave.

102 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:39:35pm

re: #100 darthstar

I think Zimmerman is headed to Mexico. I certainly hope that’s the case. He won’t last long there if he’s carrying a gun.

What the heck?

103 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:40:23pm

re: #101 Mike Lamb

Head to Santa Rosa. Stop at Russian River Brewery. Don’t leave.

Or go to Healdsburg (14 miles away) and camp out at Bear Republic Brewery - home of Racer 5 or Lagunitas a few miles south in Petaluma for “A little Sumpin’ Ale” (but don’t drive after drinking that one…that little girl is about 9% ABV).

104 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:41:32pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

What the heck?

He’s headed through Texas…maybe he thinks he can find some privacy south of the border. But he’s got the social skills of a pet rock, so blending in isn’t going to be easy for him.

105 Lidane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:45:38pm

I’m exhausted. I have a major project proposal due tomorrow afternoon and I’m nowhere near finished. Oh sure, the heavy lifting — getting pricing estimates, client references, going through the Q & A section and bid sheets, etc. has been done. It took weeks, but I managed. The last part— putting it all together as a finalized proposal — is driving me insane.

I’ll be up at at Fuck-This-O-Clock in the morning so I can get to my office early and barrel through for hours uninterrupted before the interns arrive. Then it’s sending it all to my boss before noon, hitting a meeting across town at 1pm and hoping like hell that it all gets approved and signed so I can have it in by 5pm.

I’m off to sleep for a few hours. G’night all.

106 Mike Lamb  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:46:44pm

re: #103 darthstar

Or go to Healdsburg (14 miles away) and camp out at Bear Republic Brewery - home of Racer 5 or Lagunitas a few miles south in Petaluma for “A little Sumpin’ Ale” (but don’t drive after drinking that one…that little girl is about 9% ABV).

Racer 5 and Hot Rod Rye are great, as is most of Lagunitas(I personally like A Li’l Sumpin’ Wild, which is L’il Sumpin’ with brettamyoces added). However, top to bottom, Russian River’s portfolio is better than either. Pliny the Elder is delicious.

107 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:53:04pm

re: #106 Mike Lamb

Racer 5 and Hot Rod Rye are great, as is most of Lagunitas(I personally like A Li’l Sumpin’ Wild, which is L’il Sumpin’ with brettamyoces added). However, top to bottom, Russian River’s portfolio is better than either. Pliny the Elder is delicious.

My favorite from dopeland is Mendocino Brewing’s Old 38 Stout. That’s some tasty brew.

108 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:53:57pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

What the heck?

Never mind…I forgot you were a fan.

109 Mike Lamb  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:55:34pm

re: #107 darthstar

My favorite from dopeland is Mendocino Brewing’s Old 38 Stout. That’s some tasty brew.

It’s not porter/stout season yet here in AZ.

110 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:59:09pm

re: #108 darthstar

Never mind…I forgot you were a fan.

The Hell you say! The man’s impulsive, and that impulsitivity has already helped cause a dangerous situation where someone got killed. That I don’t think a person should be convicted of a certain crime does not mean I’m a fan of theirs. It’s true I don’t think he’s a malicious person, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s acting crazy.

111 darthstar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 10:01:27pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

The Hell you say! The man’s impulsive, and that impulsitivity has already helped cause a dangerous situation where someone got killed. That I don’t think a person should be convicted of a certain crime does not mean I’m a fan of theirs. It’s true I don’t think he’s a malicious person, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s acting crazy.

Someone didn’t “get killed.” He shot an unarmed kid. Your inability to even acknowledge that simple fact speaks volumes. And yes, saying you don’t think he’s a malicious person IS defending him.

112 Carlos Danger  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 10:16:57pm

For the man with impulses:

GUNS

America sleeps safer tonight.

113 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 10:42:24pm

Zimmerman needs a gun as much as Weiner needs a webcam.

114 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 10:44:47pm

If Zimmerman is going to Mexico, I hear Nuevo Laredo is lovely this time of year.
In fact, he should stay there, and set up a neighborhood watch. He could even follow suspicious people around at night…
///
Mean? Yep.
That fucker and the people who support him bring out the worst in me.
Sorry.

116 Kragar  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 11:11:15pm

Garth Marenghi’s Darkplace - Episode 05 (Full Episode) - Scotch Mist

Youtube Video

117 prairiefire  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:01:19am

re: #116 Kragar

Garth Marenghi’s Darkplace - Episode 05 (Full Episode) - Scotch Mist

[Embedded content]

Thank you!

118 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:30:26am

re: #117 prairiefire

Thank you!

“My aunt lives there. She says its nice.”

“WELL SHE’S WRONG!”

119 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:33:45am

Stevie Wonder, I believe:

MP3 Audio

120 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:37:09am

From 1942:

MP3 Audio

121 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:48:29am

Also from the war years, Ethel Waters:

MP3 Audio

122 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:28:28am

re: #121 freetoken

Also from the war years, Ethel Waters:

[Embedded content]

You’ve reminded me of how much I’m learning of Britain’s role in WWII. Most Americans see the war from an entirely different perspective—beginning at Pearl Harbor—and we didn’t actually feel threatened until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor; Hitler was really Europe’s problem—and the British Empire’s. Britain was facing the Nazi juggernaut without US help, but with pilots as young as 18, many of whom never returned from their missions. In fact, the average age of a British pilot was 20: bbc.co.uk However, civilian deaths in Britain, over 27,000, were far higher than the 544 fighter crew deaths. We in the US just can’t imagine the horror of those civilian losses, just as many of us can’t quite connect to civilian losses in the wars we have witnessed since WWII, including Iraq and Afghanistan.

Even I can’t get away from Dec 7—my g-grandson was born on that date. I was born in early 1941 and my dad was 31 and was not drafted, but served as a civilian cook in HI for a short time (I still have a photo of him in cook’s whites). So, I’m too young to have anything but vague memories and photographic reminders from that era, but it was so entirely different from our more modern wars and the public’s attitude toward them, with some good reason, for the most part, but as far as what Snowjob and others are pushing, that is folly. Prevention is as important as defense if we are to preserve democracy.

This fellow joined the RAF at age 17 and was flying a Spitfire a few months later. Geoffrey Wellum: The terrible beauty of flying a Spitfire at the age of 18 telegraph.co.uk

Not so coincidentally, IMHO, the WWII experience further democratized the UK, opening up its society in ways not seen before that period.

123 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:34:15am

Yes, but does he wear Crocs?

124 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:45:10am

re: #123 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Yes, but does he wear Crocs?

[Embedded content]

What pure bullshit, esp in the era of absolutely no checks and balances, but of sheer demagoguery, by the opposing party.

125 Lidane  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:47:56am

Got to the office before sunrise. Making coffee now, then calling a co-worker in Germany since he’s the only one who can give me real answers to one section in the Q&A that’s thin. After that, it’s Editing A-Go-Go.

I’ve already told my boss I want a three day weekend after this is done. Either tomorrow or Monday off. If I have to get back to the office tomorrow after all this, I won’t function at all.

126 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:53:10am

I wonder how wingnuts are going to spin this? (Never mind, it’s from 2007)

127 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:54:04am

re: #125 Lidane

I spent nearly all of yesterday sorting out a dumb bank thing. I have no idea why most people think ‘bureaucracy’ is something special to the government.

I got vaccinated for MMR that same morning, at the city health clinic, for free, in a process that took 20 minutes. My wife had to call her insurance company for pre-clearance before she could get vaccinated at her doctor’s office.

128 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:01:54am

LOL
I guess this means Snowden is still in Transit Gulag

129 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:04:09am

Wait

130 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:10:15am
131 Lancelot Link  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:11:56am

re: #129 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Maybe Greenwald and his boyfriend should visit him there, to share his freedom.

132 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:13:46am

Snowflake will now find out how hard Russia sucks if you’re not an oligarch.

133 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:16:48am

re: #127 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, I’ve spent the last couple of weeks on the phone trying to sort out:

1)Switching phone companies. I would rather be stuck in the eye with a hot fork. Both companies messed up leaving me with 700 dollars(including early termination fees) worth of bills when it should have been 250 less. Yesterday alone was over 90 minutes of being transferred from this person to that one and saying the same thing over and over. I think it’s fixed now.

2)My big project is calling everyone on a really long list to bug the shit out of them until I can get some straight answers as to why my son won’t be going into a program for young adults with autism until MAYBE next year. If assholes weren’t messing with the funding for this, he would have been there for a month already. I also found out his college will not be paid for, so I have to figure out how to help him navigate that madness. The state of GA was supposed to tell us this crap, and it took me a week(one day I was on the phone for almost six freaking hours and no one bothered to mention this detail) to find just that part out. I don’t blame the bureaucracy, I blame the federal level politicans holding money hostage and our idiot governor messing with the state level status of this agency by changing it’s oversight THREE times since Feb. I also blame him for cutting taxes to the point that the state funds (which determine the federal funds) are practically nothing now. Then I find out yesterday that the GOP want to slash the Depts of Education, HHS, and Labor another 20 percent. That happens, this program is done. After they spent 10 million dollars to rebuild and staff this place. So they can help young people with disabilities become independent. So they aren’t “moochers” at the mercy of bullshit cuts like this.

Sigh. And my 20th anniversary is tomorrow and I have no idea what to get the Husband. He has everything I could think of to get him already. I feel like crying.

134 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:19:28am

re: #133 A Mom Anon

And my 20th anniversary is tomorrow

Congratulations to you.

I have no idea what to get the Husband. He has everything I could think of to get him already.

Does he like pie?

135 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:20:36am

re: #133 A Mom Anon

Yeah, I’ve spent the last couple of weeks on the phone trying to sort out:

1)Switching phone companies. I would rather be stuck in the eye with a hot fork. Both companies messed up leaving me with 700 dollars(including early termination fees) worth of bills when it should have been 250 less. Yesterday alone was over 90 minutes of being transferred from this person to that one and saying the same thing over and over. I think it’s fixed now.

2)My big project is calling everyone on a really long list to bug the shit out of them until I can get some straight answers as to why my son won’t be going into a program for young adults with autism until MAYBE next year. If assholes weren’t messing with the funding for this, he would have been there for a month already. I also found out his college will not be paid for, so I have to figure out how to help him navigate that madness. The state of GA was supposed to tell us this crap, and it took me a week(one day I was on the phone for almost six freaking hours and no one bothered to mention this detail) to find just that part out. I don’t blame the bureaucracy, I blame the federal level politicans holding money hostage and our idiot governor messing with the state level status of this agency by changing it’s oversight THREE times since Feb. I also blame him for cutting taxes to the point that the state funds (which determine the federal funds) are practically nothing now. Then I find out yesterday that the GOP want to slash the Depts of Education, HHS, and Labor another 20 percent. That happens, this program is done. After they spent 10 million dollars to rebuild and staff this place. So they can help young people with disabilities become independent. So they aren’t “moochers” at the mercy of bullshit cuts like this.

Sigh. And my 20th anniversary is tomorrow and I have no idea what to get the Husband. He has everything I could think of to get him already. I feel like crying.

He has you, doesn’t he? That should be enough. : )

136 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:21:27am
137 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:25:22am

Are we sure this wasn’t Zimmerman, passing through TX? Sounds like this “off-duty” cop took a page from the Z playbook: abclocal.go.com

A life for some Walmart crap.

Welcome to America.

138 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:30:27am

re: #133 A Mom Anon

Happy impending anniversary A Mom Anon

139 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:30:54am
140 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:31:01am

So if Snowden were gay would Russia kick him out?

141 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:31:50am

“Drooling Jingosist” screen name up for grabs.

142 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:37:38am

DERP

143 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:38:21am

re: #41 Egregious Philbin

Lets grant Texas their wish and let them secede. (after we blow up their oil wells and infrastructure)

Not necessary.

Since there will be no regulation of oil production nor will there be any investment in infrastructure those things will soon be gone without any intervention by us.

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:39:55am

Hey Glen darling, how about those extra-judical executions in Brazil ahead of Francis’ visit? Or are you so safe in your little compound that it’s irrelevant what happens to the POOORZ of Brazil?

145 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:41:29am

re: #144 William Barnett-Lewis

Be fair. Glenn’s consistent because he’ll never care for the poorz under any circumstances.

146 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:41:54am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Still don’t know why he was acquitted. That was clear murder.

Bitch didn’t do what she was told!!!11!!

147 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:42:02am

Ah, hell with him. Even though it’s 2 months early, I have my birthday present to myself on the FedEx truck today. A nice new-to-me wide angle lens (17/2.8 for micro 4/3. Equivalent to 35mm on a 135 film camera.) and that’s far more interesting to me than anything that twit hiding in Brazil has to say.

148 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:43:09am

re: #147 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, hell with him. Even though it’s 2 months early, I have my birthday present to myself on the FedEx truck today. A nice new-to-me wide angle lens (17/2.8 for micro 4/3. Equivalent to 35mm on a 135 film camera.) and that’s far more interesting to me than anything that twit hiding in Brazil has to say.

I hope you bought it from B&H Photo.

149 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:47:34am

re: #148 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

I buy and sell through KEH.com in Atlanta. The folks at BH are good but I usually get a better price from KEH and I usually end up ordering on Friday (because of paydays) by which time they’ve usually closed for Shabbos. Finally KEH has people at a lot of camera shows in the midwest so I’ve gotten to know them.

150 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:49:07am

re: #149 William Barnett-Lewis

I buy and sell through KEH.com in Atlanta. The folks at BH are good but I usually get a better price from KEH and I usually end up ordering on Friday (because of paydays) by which time they’ve usually closed for Shabbos. Finally KEH has people at a lot of camera shows in the midwest so I’ve gotten to know them.

My daughter is a senior account manager at B&H. I don’t know if she can offer a Lizard discount, though.

151 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:50:08am

Snowden has to shut the F up now, right? I thought that was part of his deal with Russia?

So now he can grant an interview but not say anything?

Who is going to hire him?

152 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:50:41am

re: #122 Justanotherhuman

Recommended reading on the subject: Fighter by Len Deighton

One thing not mentioned in the article was the fact that Britain had the first modern command and control system for fighter defence. The Observer Corps and the radar stations all reported to a central station where the data was filtered. The results were displayed on a large table map where up to the minute data was displayed. The commander could then dispatch just enough aircraft to meet the Luftwaffe.

What also helped was the fact that Fat Boy (Hermann Goëring) was a bloody incompetent leader.

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:52:03am

re: #150 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

If I ever break down and go to NYC, their store is one thing I’d like to visit. If I were buying new, I’d also be much more inclined to buy from them as they’re the best for that. But my budget is “new to me” not “new in unopened box” and for that KEH beats them out IME.

154 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:52:20am

IT TEH MOST WORSTEST HORRIBLE TIHNG TAHT EVER EVER!!11
Things that keep Dudebros awake at night:

155 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:56:38am

re: #154 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

IT TEH MOST WORSTEST HORRIBLE TIHNG TAHT EVER EVER!!11
Things that keep Dudebros awake at night:

[Embedded content]

It’s just like Minority Report but with uglier people than Tom Cruise or Max von Sydow!!1!

156 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:01:19am

re: #154 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

How does Sirota even have a job?

157 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:01:39am

re: #134 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

HA. I actually made double chocolate cheesecake yesterday for after we come home from dinner. We were supposed to be planning a trip to the national parks in California, but the job loss and lower pay at the new job kinda screwed us on that. My Husband, god love him, still is thinking we’re going, but he hasn’t even booked the flight yet and we were supposed to go in about 7 weeks. Another Sigh.

This thing with my son is pissing me off. I got this process started in high school, he’s been out of school for a year now. I feel like I’ve wasted nearly 4 years making sure this was the right thing to do. Now I have to start over and my son is just crushed. Why is it ALWAYS the poor, elderly and those with disabilities who get messed with first? When you look at the amount of money that states and the feds spend on this kind of thing, those things are such a tiny portion of the overall budget and those cuts never fix anything. I actually had someone tell me I shouldn’t make him dependent on the government for anything, and I yelled at them,lol. The entire idea behind this program is to prevent gov’t dependence in the first place. As Temple Grandin says of autistic people”collecting Social Security Disability is NOT a career path.” In fact, my son is one of those people who would be seriously judged by some people because he doesn’t “look disabled”.

I’m frustrated, can’t you tell? LOL.

158 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:03:17am

re: #156 b.d.

How does Sirota even have a job?

White privilege.

159 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:06:27am

re: #154 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

IT TEH MOST WORSTEST HORRIBLE TIHNG TAHT EVER EVER!!11
Things that keep Dudebros awake at night:

[Embedded content]

The dudebros and emoprogs are getting more annoying with every passing day.

160 Lidane  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:06:45am

Holy crap. I might see the end of the tunnel today.

It’s amazing what you can get accomplished when you turn off your phone and refuse to open Facebook or Twitter. Haha.

161 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:06:48am

re: #158 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

It’s about who you know and what impression you’ve already made too. I also think there are so few progressive/liberal voices on the radio and TV, compared to conservatives, that anyone who gets their face and voice out there is pretty safe because there aren’t many replacements out there(at least in the eyes of the folks who cut the paychecks).

162 JeffFX  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:07:27am

re: #11 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah. I mean, as an atheist, I could give a shit, really, but why don’t these people want their god to be a super-smart god who designs the whole universe?

I can think of several reasons:
1) That would hint that man isn’t the center of the universe.

2) It requires a much larger worldview than the earth as a shoe-box diorama with a bearded white man hovering above.

3) People imagine their gods in their own image, and no conservative is going to imagine a god that’s smart like those tricksy liberals.

163 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:07:37am

re: #155 b.d.

It’s just like Minority Report but with uglier people than Tom Cruise or Max von Sydow!!1!

A surveillance state headed by Max von Sydow would be sort of cool, in a malevolent kind of way. It’s the voice.

164 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:09:04am

BBIAB.

165 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:09:14am

Oh teh poor Wingnuts, suffering Teh Anguish of Tyranny!!!1

166 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:10:43am

re: #164 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

It’s Drooling Jingosist.

167 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:12:36am

re: #165 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Oh teh poor Wingnuts, suffering Teh Anguish of Tyranny!!!1

[Embedded content]

That poor little wingnut still has his training wheels on.

168 Dave In Austin  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:16:24am

re: #160 Lidane

Blessed is the Air Conditioning for it will be a Hot SOB in Centex today!!

169 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:19:45am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

A surveillance state headed by Max von Sydow would be sort of cool, in a malevolent kind of way. It’s the voice.

That’s why everybody loved Emperor Ming the Merciless.

170 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:20:21am
171 Lidane  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:21:04am

re: #168 Dave In Austin

Blessed is the Air Conditioning for it will be a Hot SOB in Centex today!!

Air conditioning, caffeine, and 5 Hour Energy Shots — my trifecta for productivity today. Also, the overwhelming sense of impending doom that I need to light a fire under my ass so I can write. Haha.

172 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:21:47am

re: #152 Romantic Heretic

Thanks for that. You mean they had a central station, sort of like “metadata”?

Imagine.

173 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:25:46am

re: #167 b.d.

That poor little wingnut still has his training wheels on.

[Embedded content]

What a twit. I wonder if the 13 Embassy attacks under W were important to him then?

174 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:28:26am

re: #173 William Barnett-Lewis

What a twit. I wonder if the 13 Embassy attacks under W were important to him then?

I can’t wait for the one-year anniversary of BENGHAZI!!!1!! and watch all the wingnut heads explode when the media & POTUS totally ignore it and focus on something that happened in New York & the Pentagon.

175 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:29:26am

re: #169 b.d.

And Emperor Shadaam Corrino IV.

To the pain amplifier with you me for forgetting that one.

(corrected)

176 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:30:15am
177 Dave In Austin  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:33:53am

re: #171 Lidane

Been there done that. Just remember the weekend is near and the beach is just a mere 4 hrs away.

178 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:43:09am

re: #175 lawhawk

And <em>re: <a href=”/showc/175/10115561” class=”rep”>#175</a> lawhawk</em>

<blockquote>And Emperor Shadaam Corrino IV.

To the pain amplifier with you for forgetting that one.</blockquote>

Emperor Shadaam Corrino IV.

To the pain amplifier with you for forgetting that one.

Emperor Shadaam Corrino IV was Joses Ferrer, Max von Sydow was Liet-Kynes.

Judge Fargo will get back to you on your sentence, either him or Brewmeister Smith.

179 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:43:28am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

The comments on that story suck. So you steal from WalHell and you deserve to die now? Jesus. I really wish news channels and newspapers would do away with their comments sections, it’s always a freaking cesspool of hate, lies and racism. It serves no purpose at all. You want to talk about the news, go to a site like this one or call a friend.

I’m gonna go walk the dog,bbl.

180 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:43:46am


if your jingosist drools do they have a pill for that or do you have to have surgery?

181 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:44:56am

So Snowden’s apparently is now out of the in-transit zone.

He’s following in notorious footsteps at that:


Oh, and then there’s this tidbit. Greenwald can’t or shouldn’t be able to personally visit Snowden without fearing the Russians might take offense to his presence under their harsh and bigoted anti-gay laws.

182 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:46:05am

re: #178 b.d.

Damn, Can’t believe I got ‘em mixed up.

To the pain amplifier with myself. *argh*

183 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:46:06am

DERP

184 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:48:11am

re: #181 lawhawk

So Snowden’s apparently is now out of the in-transit zone.

He’s following in notorious footsteps at that:

Snowden reminded me of Oswald from the get-go. Angry little fuckups, both of them.

185 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:49:31am

re: #184 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Snowden reminded me of Oswald from the get-go. Angry little fuckups, both of them.

Let’s keep him the hell out of Dallas, they apparently already got Zimmerman.

186 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:50:38am

re: #183 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

DERP

[Embedded content]

I’ll pay for your ammunition when you volunteer for the US Army & become an Infantry rifleman.

187 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:51:40am

re: #181 lawhawk

So Snowden’s apparently is now out of the in-transit zone.

He’s following in notorious footsteps at that:

[Embedded content]


Oh, and then there’s this tidbit. Greenwald can’t or shouldn’t be able to personally visit Snowden without fearing the Russians might take offense to his presence under their harsh and bigoted anti-gay laws.

You should tweet him and ask him if he’s planning on visiting Snowden now that he’s free from the airport.

188 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:52:16am

Well, it’s been a crappy morning all the way around. NJTransit had yet another trespasser incident with a pedestrian killed by an oncoming train. That left the morning commute for folks on my usual train line screwed. Today’s incident was about a 1/4 mile from the nearest proper crossing.

This one appears to have been a suicide.

That’s after another such incident last night on a nearby line. We’ve had about 1-2 of these kinds of things a month. That’s despite all kinds of warnings, additional signage, and efforts to get people to understand that they shouldn’t cross tracks when the gates are down and flashing.

Not much you can do when someone wants to commit suicide, but the engineer and train crews have to live with this the rest of their lives. In fact, most of the train crews have someone on their crew who has had to deal with one of these incidents - often more than once. It’s part of the nature of the suburban train line with at-grade crossings, but not one you can ever get used to.

189 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:53:02am
190 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:53:07am

Dim Jim still Derping revisionist shit:

191 Lancelot Link  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:54:19am

re: #184 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Oswald? naw, I see him more ending up like Guy Burgess, drinking himself to death in a shitty Moscow apartment.

192 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:55:28am
193 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:55:45am

Mornin’ everyone.

194 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:56:50am

re: #191 Lancelot Link, Drooling Jingosist

Oswald? naw, I see him more ending up like Guy Burgess, drinking himself to death in a shitty Moscow apartment.

Not to mention being a gay man in the USSR.

195 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:58:19am
196 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:00:20am
197 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:00:24am

re: #183 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Well, nobody is making anyone pay for anyone’s contraception, so this twit doesn’t have to worry.

198 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:01:54am

re: #189 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Speaking of that asshole, I caught the end of his anti-USA rant on Chris Hayes show last night…it was on the radio in the car, but he was shouting, “IN THE LAST 80 YEARS THE US HAS ALWAYS ABUSED UNCHECKED POWER!” Chris Hayes, to his credit, managed to mumble “not just the US” as he thanked Glenn for his unbiased and objective observations.

199 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:03:52am

I’m shocked! shocked! that Greenwald is just going to brush under the rug anything that the Putin government has done over the last 15 years or so. Anything to kick the Great Satan, right? Chechen War? What Chechen War?

I really can’t tell the difference between Greenwald and Chomsky anymore.

200 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:04:24am

re: #196 NJDhockeyfan

Given Russian drivers’ propensity to get into accidents (and the omnipresent need for dashcams to record the carnage), it was probably safer for him to stay in the in-transit area. /only half joking

201 Lancelot Link  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:04:42am

re: #195 Gus

GG - “It is very easy to denounce the atrocities of someone else”

That’s pretty funny, considering that he doesn’t live here anymore.

202 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:05:06am

re: #198 darthstar

Speaking of that asshole, I caught the end of his anti-USA rant on Chris Hayes show last night…it was on the radio in the car, but he was shouting, “IN THE LAST 80 YEARS THE US HAS ALWAYS ABUSED UNCHECKED POWER!” Chris Hayes, to his credit, managed to mumble “not just the US” as he thanked Glenn for his unbiased and objective observations.

Not so easy to fit that into a tweet.

203 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:05:23am

re: #199 Ian G.

I’m shocked! shocked! that Greenwald is just going to brush under the rug anything that the Putin government has done over the last 15 years or so. Anything to kick the Great Satan, right? Chechen War? What Chechen War?

I really can’t tell the difference between Greenwald and Chomsky anymore.

Greenlandia is too busy having an orgasm right now over this “good news”.

204 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:05:52am

re: #201 Lancelot Link, Drooling Jingosist

GG - “It is very easy to denounce the atrocities of someone else”

That’s pretty funny, considering that he doesn’t live here anymore.

I’m sure Greenwald has noise-cancellation headphones in use when he writes up this drivel, lest the gun battles between the drug gangs and the police in the favelas below him disturb his concentration.

205 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:06:55am


Editor’s note: Carroll Bogert is deputy executive director for external relations at Human Rights Watch. The views expressed are her own.

Edward Snowden’s Russian lawyer says his client wants to start learning Russian. Now that the American whistleblower has finally left Sheremetyevo airport for “temporary asylum” in Russia, he might find himself iz ognya da v polymya - out of the frying pan and into the fire. After all, Russia is hardly a bastion of free speech defense. We recommend including a few key terms in any vocabulary lesson:

Khuliganstvo: Translated as “hooliganism,” this word can mean anything from getting into fistfights to shouting political slogans and jumping around in a Moscow cathedral. Two women from the punk group Pussy Riot are currently serving out a two-year prison term for their khuliganstvo. (Pussy Riot, in case you’re wondering, is “Pussi Raiot” in Russian.)

Ekstremizm: This one is easy for an American to pronounce, but hard to define. It can mean just about anything that is controversial or generates “discontent,” especially if it criticizes the authorities. There’s a whole section of the Russian police dedicated to fighting ekstremizm. One example of their work: the prosecutor’s office recently tried to ban a book calling for an international tribunal on war crimes committed in Chechnya because of its ekstremizm…

206 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:07:07am

re: #195 Gus

From the article - the key takeaway:

Greenwald is saying proudly that he doesn’t care about injustice per se, but only American-inflicted injustice.

207 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:10:38am

In honor of the jingoists, I present Santana:

Youtube Video

208 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:15:39am

re: #207 lawhawk

In honor of the jingoists, I present Santana:

[Embedded content]

Don’t fuck w/one of my all-time faves. : ) The jingoist extremists don’t deserve such fine music. Besides, Mexicans.

209 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:18:00am

re: #206 lawhawk

From the article - the key takeaway:

Greenwald is the honey badger. He doesn’t give a shit and only cares about Snowden’s Russia™.

210 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:20:43am
211 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:23:46am
212 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:29:36am
213 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:30:27am

And how would anybody even know?

214 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:30:54am

re: #212 Gus

Maybe they can invite Greenwald to Moscow to do what Ahmadinejad did at Columbia U. a few years back and claim that there are no gays in Russia. I wouldn’t put it past him at this point.

215 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:32:49am
216 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:32:59am

I wonder if there is any group of people Glenn won’t sell out for an opportunity to slap down That One.

217 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:34:21am

Sounds like his lawyer just slapped the back of the cab and said, “Happy trails, motherfucker!”

“I put him in a taxi 15 to 20 minutes ago and gave him his certificate on getting refugee status in the Russian Federation,” he said. “He can live wherever he wants in Russia. It’s his personal choice.”

218 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:34:49am

re: #215 Gus

[Embedded content]

Have the oligarchs converted the Lubyanka to an upscale tourist boutique hotel?

219 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:37:15am

re: #217 darthstar

Sounds like his lawyer just slapped the back of the cab and said, “Happy trails, motherfucker!”

“I put him in a taxi 15 to 20 minutes ago and gave him his certificate on getting refugee status in the Russian Federation,” he said. “He can live wherever he wants in Russia. It’s his personal choice.”

His lawyer is Samuel L. Jackson?

220 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:37:54am

If Snowden was smart he’d shave the goatee, dye his hair, lose the glasses and start wearing hats.

221 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:38:03am
222 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:38:38am

re: #220 Eclectic Cyborg

If Snowden was smart he’d shave the goatee, dye his hair, lose the glasses and start wearing hats.

That would make him look like George Zimmerman.

223 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:39:48am

re: #221 darthstar

He can post comments on blogs and news sites saying “My cousin was unemployed but has just recently been making the $4567,89 per week on the computers.”

224 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:40:10am

re: #220 Eclectic Cyborg

If Snowden was smart he’d shave the goatee, dye his hair, lose the glasses and start wearing hats.

And an oversized fake nose.

225 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:42:57am

re: #221 darthstar

#Snowden now free to pursue $15K job as outsourced US software engineer if any Russian company will hire him.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) August 1, 2013

All kidding aside, who the HELL would want to hire someone like Snowden who has proven that he cannot be trusted and adhere the rules of his company?

226 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:43:27am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

All kidding aside, who the HELL would want to hire someone like Snowden who has proven that he cannot be trusted and adhere the rules of his company?

Or esp the FSB?

227 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:44:45am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

All kidding aside, who the HELL would want to hire someone like Snowden who has proven that he cannot be trusted and adhere the rules of his company?

When Lee Harvey Oswald “defected” to the Soviets, they gave him some really shitty jrrb in some factory in the boondocks. It sucked so bad he begged to come back to the US and work in the Texas book warehouse.

228 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:45:14am

re: #221 darthstar

[Embedded content]

What company in their right mind would pay him to have access to their information?

He needs to learn to paint for tourists or something pronto, thos Assange checks aren’t going to last forever.

229 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:46:25am

re: #228 b.d.

What company in their right mind would pay him to have access to their information?

He needs to learn to paint for tourists or something pronto, thos Assange checks aren’t going to last forever.

He probably thinks he’s going to get rich from the book and movie deals, not realizing that Greenwald will keep it all for himself.

230 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:47:10am

A document no doubt Snowjob can’t even read: Image: Anatoly-Kucherena-Edward—010.jpg

231 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:47:14am

He can sell babushka dolls and other tourist shit at a booth on the Novy Arbat.

232 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:47:20am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

All kidding aside, who the HELL would want to hire someone like Snowden who has proven that he cannot be trusted and adhere the rules of his company?

I think his next job is to hunt for homosexuals at the Sochi Olympics.

233 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:49:22am


234 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:49:27am

re: #227 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

When Lee Harvey Oswald “defected” to the Soviets, they gave him some really shitty jrrb in some factory in the boondocks. It sucked so bad he begged to come back to the US and work in the Texas book warehouse.

Exactly. And he was under surveillance as well; the KGB always knew what he was up to.

235 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:55:16am
236 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:55:59am
237 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:56:16am

re: #233 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

So Glenn has control over the USA?

Supervillain

238 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:56:22am

re: #233 NJDhockeyfan

I guess Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, et. al are “drooling jingosists” for trying to influence human rights in other countries besides the US.

Greenwald hasn’t just jumped the shark. At this point, he’s gone into orbit over the shark.

239 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:57:15am

So, I’m sure everyone saw that George Zimmerman got stopped by LEOs in Texas for speeding. They let him off with a warning.

Nice of them.

But that got me wondering if he was adhering to state and federal law when it came transiting those states with his firearm in the glove compartment (he had legal permit in FL).

Mississippi allows the permitted owner to carry the firearm anywhere in the vehicle, including the glove compartment. So too does Florida and Louisiana.

Texas doesn’t have a problem with his carrying of a firearm, but if he had been stopped in Alabama, it could have been a problem.

Alabama doesn’t allow the firearm to be stored in the glove compartment:

A person
may lawfully transport a firearm, including a handgun, from one state in which they are legal to possess to another
state without a permit as required under Alabama law, provided the following conditions are met:
 The firearm is unloaded.
 Neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from
the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle.
 In case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment, the firearm and
ammunition shall be in a locked container other than the glove box or console.

Makes for a difficult situation, and LEOs have a tough time as it is with any vehicle stop.

240 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:59:18am

re: #235 Gus

[Embedded content]

Wikileaks is such a bunch of melodramatic putzes

241 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:59:19am

Game. Set. Match.

242 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:59:38am

Also, doesn’t Greenwald sound positively Nixonian at this point, in that he’s justifying cuddling up with vicious authoritarian governments because he can’t lose focus on the big goal of kicking the US in the nads?

It seems like the same moral blindness that had the US arming every tin-pot dictator in the developing world, so long as he used those arms to kill communists.

243 steve_davis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:01:13am

re: #37 Gus

Damn it. I’d need 20 of those for some of my Photoshop files.

Plus another building to supply air-conditioning to the super-hot coils inside. (Speaking of which, I’ve been _really_ tempted to lay out the money to have a custom-built, water-cooled tower put together.)

244 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:01:39am

re: #242 Ian G.

Also, doesn’t Greenwald sound positively Nixonian at this point, in that he’s justifying cuddling up with vicious authoritarian governments because he can’t lose focus on the big goal of kicking the US in the nads?

It seems like the same moral blindness that had the US arming every tin-pot dictator in the developing world, so long as he used those arms to kill communists.

What was that old saying? “He may be an SOB, but he’s our SOB.”

245 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:01:41am

re: #242 Ian G.

Also, doesn’t Greenwald sound positively Nixonian at this point, in that he’s justifying cuddling up with vicious authoritarian governments because he can’t lose focus on the big goal of kicking the US in the nads?

It seems like the same moral blindness that had the US arming every tin-pot dictator in the developing world, so long as he used those arms to kill communists.

I’d say Reaganesque.

246 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:02:52am

lol @ Assange

I wonder if he’s so stupid that he thinks Putin won’t want a pound of flesh back

247 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:03:33am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

All kidding aside, who the HELL would want to hire someone like Snowden who has proven that he cannot be trusted and adhere the rules of his company?

Ernst Stavro Blofeld?

248 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:04:02am
249 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:04:23am

I’ll give Snowjob until Halloween before he is nabbed trying to get the heck out of Russia

250 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:05:01am

re: #239 lawhawk

So, I’m sure everyone saw that George Zimmerman got stopped by LEOs in Texas for speeding. They let him off with a warning.

Nice of them.

But that got me wondering if he was adhering to state and federal law when it came transiting those states with his firearm in the glove compartment (he had legal permit in FL).

Mississippi allows the permitted owner to carry the firearm anywhere in the vehicle, including the glove compartment. So too does Florida and Louisiana.

Texas doesn’t have a problem with his carrying of a firearm, but if he had been stopped in Alabama, it could have been a problem.

Alabama doesn’t allow the firearm to be stored in the glove compartment:

Makes for a difficult situation, and LEOs have a tough time as it is with any vehicle stop.

Sadly, I think most southern Alabama police would be more interested in getting Zimmerman’s autograph than ticketing him for a gun in the car.

251 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:05:41am

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

Ernst Stavro Blofeld?

Snowden would last all of five minutes in SPECTRE if he was exceptionally lucky.

252 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:05:44am

DERP x10

253 steve_davis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:07:12am

re: #65 Stanley Sea

Who the hell gets in their car to head no where in particular?

uhm….i’ve been known to get into my car just to drive around listening to a new CD, so it does happen from time to time :-)

254 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:07:34am
255 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:07:51am

re: #65 Stanley Sea

Who the hell gets in their car to head no where in particular?

When I was 18 and got my first car…..

256 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:08:53am

re: #65 Stanley Sea

Who the hell gets in their car to head no where in particular?

Four states away. (Texas - LA - MS - AL - FL). Just out to clear his head, of course.

257 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:09:43am

re: #256 lawhawk

Four states away. (Texas - LA - MS - AL - FL). Just out to clear his head, of course.

Seems more like a victory tour to me.

258 steve_davis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:10:38am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Still don’t know why he was acquitted. That was clear murder.

Because Texas.

259 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:11:05am

re: #257 Eclectic Cyborg

Seems more like a victory tour to me.

All are gun-loving redstates where the populace largely supports his murder.

260 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:12:00am
261 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:12:14am

Do you think wingnuts would understand if I posted a photo of a little Sandy Hook victim’s coffin RETWEET IF YOU SUPPORT GUN CONTROL!!1

262 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:13:06am

re: #260 lawhawk

HE CAN’T BE A JUICE!!11 HE HAS A HISPANIC POPE NAME!!11!!

263 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:15:07am

A couple of days ago I paged a story relating to a PBS Frontline special on Emeritus corporation, the nations largest operator of assisted living homes for seniors.

Now that it’s aired, the company is demanding their employees fight back on social media but they accidentally sent the e-mail containing this directive to ProPublica:

OK, everyone, it’s our turn now.
The broadcast has aired. Frontline has told their story. Now it’s time to tell ours. And folks, let’s tell it LOUDLY.

I am asking you, right now, to take five minutes, go online to one of these websites (or cut and paste to all of them, for that matter), and write just one sentence that speaks to your incredible community, your amazing staff, your wonderful residents and families that you care for, the job that you love and the difference that you make.

There’s a great quote: “Never underestimate the power of a small group of committed people to change the world. In fact, it is the only thing that ever has.”

If you don’t think your one post will matter, it does. A LOT.

We have only to be proud of what we do. Now is OUR time to flood the internet with the sounds of OUR united voices. Shout out about the exceptional care your team delivers 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, for your residents and their families who trust and believe in you.

264 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:15:55am

re: #262 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

HE CAN’T BE A JUICE!!11 HE HAS A HISPANIC POPE NAME!!11!!

It’s an interesting tidbit of history that for many decades, if not centuries, almost all the Jews in the 13 colonies/United States were Sephardic. I sure you know that already.

265 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:16:16am

re: #262 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

HE CAN’T BE A JUICE!!11 HE HAS A HISPANIC POPE NAME!!11!!

I think his full name was Francis Salvadorberg.

266 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:16:54am

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

A couple of days ago I paged a story relating to a PBS Frontline special on Emeritus corporation, the nations largest operator of assisted living homes for seniors.

Now that it’s aired, the company is demanding their employees fight back on social media but they accidentally sent the e-mail containing this directive to ProPublica:

Wait, is this the Emeritus that warehouses seniors for profit? That Emeritus? Where Teh Olds go to die in squalor and neglect?

267 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:17:56am
268 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:18:23am

re: #264 Ian G.

It’s an interesting tidbit of history that for many decades, if not centuries, almost all the Jews in the 13 colonies/United States were Sephardic. I sure you know that already.

I totally know that but most people don’t.

My history archive of actual original documents==>Jewish-History.com

269 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:19:30am
270 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:19:38am
271 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:19:58am

re: #264 Ian G.

And until the influx of Eastern European Jews at the end of the 19th Century, the biggest concentration of Jews in the US was in Charleston and Savannah. After the 1890s, NYC became the largest concentration of Jews in the US.

272 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:21:42am

re: #271 lawhawk

And until the influx of Eastern European Jews at the end of the 19th Century, the biggest concentration of Jews in the US was in Charleston and Savannah. After the 1890s, NYC became the largest concentration of Jews in the US.

The mass migration of German Jews in the 1840’s created the Jewish communities in the Midwest.

273 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:22:16am

re: #266 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Wait, is this the Emeritus that warehouses seniors for profit? That Emeritus? Where Teh Olds go to die in squalor and neglect?

The very same.

274 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:28:12am

And speaking of SC:

Deputies say they are trying to figure out if vandalism at a Union County church is linked to a white supremacist couple charged with killing a sex offender and his wife last week.

Authorities say the pastor of Buffalo United Methodist Church arrived Tuesday morning to find Bibles ripped apart and German swastikas, along with racist and other offensive items, spray painted throughout the church. The vandals misspelled Christ and painted “Satan Loves Me” on one wall.

Union County Sheriff David Taylor says his investigators are trying to figure out if the vandals have ties to the couple charged in the killing or are just copycats.

275 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:31:40am

re: #11 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah. I mean, as an atheist, I could give a shit, really, but why don’t these people want their god to be a super-smart god who designs the whole universe?

Obviously, because they believe God made them in his own image.

276 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:33:04am

re: #236 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

BTW, that’s the social site that has neo-nazis terrorizing gay teens, and does nothing about it. Freedom!

277 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:35:32am


That follows the fact that the House GOP essentially killed the THUD bill (transportation and housing and urban development appropriations) because the GOP couldn’t figure out how to slash spending in accord with the Ryan budget without decimating everything in its path.

278 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:43:39am

Ooooops!

Alison Lundergan Grimes, Kentucky’s Democratic secretary of state who officially entered the race on Tuesday, leads the longtime senator by one point, with 45 percent to McConnell’s 44 percent. While her lead is within the margin of error, the poll also underscored some broader issues that McConnell is likely to face as he campaigns for a sixth term.

Link

279 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:46:23am

What Bryan is actually hyping: MOAR SOUTHERN DIXIECRATS JOIN THE GOP (What took them so long?)

280 Skip Intro  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:47:44am

re: #2 AntonSirius

I wonder how long it will be before top-shelf universities start putting applicants from Texas at the bottom of the pile.

The problem is these text books will end up being used across the country.

281 Skip Intro  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:50:51am

re: #34 Stanley Sea

Sorry for the OT, but I must comment on George Zimmerman, trolling Texas with his gun.

WHAT THE FUCK

Dude is not just vigilante, we’ve got ourselves a live one.

RIP Trayvon, dead kid in his path.

Continuing to keep his low profile, I see.

282 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:52:38am

re: #279 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

The National Review must be getting kind of desperate if some state senator from some podunk constituency means there’s a exodus going on.

283 allegro  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:53:15am

re: #280 Skip Intro

The problem is these text books will end up being used across the country.

In the last few days I saw some outrage about a school requiring that each student purchase a $300 IPad. While I recognize that this is a hardship for many parents and hope there is some funding to help them out with this, replacing hard-cover textbooks with ebooks can go far in helping to solve some of these outrageous textbook issues from content to incredibly inflated cost. It will also help those little kids’ backs.

284 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:55:56am

re: #283 allegro

Dang dern ebooks! In my day, $300 could buy you a car! All school books should be made with virgin timber and approved by Christ himself!

285 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:57:03am

re: #282 Carlos Danger

The National Review must be getting kind of desperate if some state senator from some podunk constituency means there’s a exodus going on.

These are all RWNJs anyway, who just run as Dems out of convenience because the district has always voted Dem. Southern “Democrats” are not progressive or liberal in any way, but the RWNJs like to point to them to stereotype the actual liberal Democrats.

286 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:59:56am

Holy shit I just received this email from a recruiter:

Job Details
Job Title: Senior SharePoint Developer
Job Location: Falls Church, VA 22043
Project length: 1-3 years project

Rate: $90/hr to $100/hr on 1099/C2C (Means no benefits & you take out tax & SS deductions but still…)

Clearance: Active Secret or US Citizen with Ability to Receive Secret Clearance.

This is a CONTRACT position! When are they going to wake up and realize you can’t give these jobs to contractors?

287 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:05:16am

re: #286 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Holy shit I just received this email from a recruiter:

This is a CONTRACT position! When are they going to wake up and realize you can’t give these jobs to contractors?

Only secret clearance? Everyone in my tank unit had that because the laser rangefinder was considered a secret. That’s about as low level as it gets too. Wonder what they’d pay that much for if you aren’t doing anything that requires real clearance for?

288 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:06:01am
289 Skip Intro  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:07:35am

re: #283 allegro

In the last few days I saw some outrage about a school requiring that each student purchase a $300 IPad. While I recognize that this is a hardship for many parents and hope there is some funding to help them out with this, replacing hard-cover textbooks with ebooks can go far in helping to solve some of these outrageous textbook issues from content to incredibly inflated cost. It will also help those little kids’ backs.

I’ve downloaded some sample Geology textbooks from Amazon to my iPad. The things are impossible to read, and my eyes aren’t that bad. There’s so much color and tiny text set against less than optimum background colors that you have to zoom every page, then slide it around to read it.

The other thing is they cost just about the same as real textbooks, and real textbooks can be sold back, so I guess I’m missing the point.

290 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:08:40am
291 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:10:10am

re: #279 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

What Bryan is actually hyping: MOAR SOUTHERN DIXIECRATS JOIN THE GOP (What took them so long?)

[Embedded content]

“In the state of Alabama, something like thirteen to fourteen elected Democrats have switched parties since 2010,” he continues. “The Alabama Republican-party chairman was telling me last year that at one point virtually every white Democrat in the Alabama legislature had reached out to them, with one or two exceptions,” to discuss switching to the GOP.

Well that about says it all.

292 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:10:41am

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

Well that about says it all.

My surprise, let me show you it.

293 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:10:53am
294 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:12:01am
295 allegro  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:12:49am

re: #289 Skip Intro

I’ve downloaded some sample Geology textbooks from Amazon to my iPad. The things are impossible to read, and my eyes aren’t that bad. There’s so much color and tiny text set against less than optimum background colors that you have to zoom every page, then slide it around to read it.

The other thing is they cost just about the same as real textbooks, and real textbooks can be sold back, so I guess I’m missing the point.

Sounds like they just plopped the tree book format into an ebook without considering format issues. Text books designed for iPads should solve the readability problem. But they’re charging the same for ebooks as textbooks? That’s just… evil. I suppose I was in wishful thinking land because in a sensible world ebooks would solve a lot of problems.

296 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:12:55am

re: #289 Skip Intro

That is a good point, but most of the opposition to these things is driven by people who think outlays of more than $30 are a waste of taxpayer funds. Font size and layout doesn’t even register on their outrage-O-meters.

297 brennant  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:13:46am

re: #294 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

W. T. F.

298 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:14:33am

re: #295 allegro

Sounds like they just plopped the tree book format into an ebook without considering format issues. Text books designed for iPads should solve the readability problem. But they’re charging the same for ebooks as textbooks? That’s just… evil. I suppose I was in wishful thinking land because in a sensible world ebooks would solve a lot of problems.

The price of textbooks is evil. And they are updated every year so that you can’t buy a used one.

JESUS CHRIST WHAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED IN A CALCULUS TEXTBOOK?

299 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:15:43am

re: #283 allegro

In the last few days I saw some outrage about a school requiring that each student purchase a $300 IPad. While I recognize that this is a hardship for many parents and hope there is some funding to help them out with this, replacing hard-cover textbooks with ebooks can go far in helping to solve some of these outrageous textbook issues from content to incredibly inflated cost. It will also help those little kids’ backs.

Absolutely. I see schools have kids carrying far above what the doctor would approve. And this opens up the possibility of a more dynamic less hidebound and delayed curriculum. When I was in school the universe was discovered to be expanding. years later the texts still said “steady state theory”

No moar fear big textbook print interests.

300 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:17:13am
301 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:17:14am
302 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:18:08am

re: #295 allegro

Sounds like they just plopped the tree book format into an ebook without considering format issues. Text books designed for iPads should solve the readability problem. But they’re charging the same for ebooks as textbooks? That’s just… evil. I suppose I was in wishful thinking land because in a sensible world ebooks would solve a lot of problems.

Wasn’t Apple implicated for a price fixing scam just a couple of weeks ago. Typical for them, considering they’re selling four-year-old 5870 graphics cards on their website for $450.

303 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:18:15am

re: #301 Gus

Where is Snowden in that pic?

304 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:19:27am

re: #273 Eclectic Cyborg

OMG. My wingnut neighbor’s wife works for that company. She just got an Executive Director promotion earlier in the year. She’s so proud of her job, the first offer she got after graduating with a 4 yr degree in human resources, I had no idea they were assholes.

Off to read more….

305 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:19:41am

re: #303 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Where is Snowden in that pic?

Looks like the back of his head in the center? Right over the roof of the car.

306 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:20:56am

I can recognize his sneaker head. :D

307 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:22:09am

re: #305 Gus

Looks like the back of his head in the center? Right over the roof of the car.

Still wearing that same gray shirt?

He must be ripe. How can people stand so close to him?

308 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:25:54am
309 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:26:26am

re: #307 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Still wearing that same gray shirt?

He must be ripe. How can people stand so close to him?

Maybe the crust has fossilized at this point.

310 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:27:12am

Is that pole dancing gal on her way to visit Snowie yet?

311 Dave In Austin  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:27:15am

re: #294 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Will she get a plate of cookies if she does?

312 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:28:11am

Holy shit, the ATF has a real leader.
O_o

313 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:31:47am

re: #298 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

The price of textbooks is evil. And they are updated every year so that you can’t buy a used one.

JESUS CHRIST WHAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED IN A CALCULUS TEXTBOOK?

The fonts.

314 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:34:13am

FAKE QUOTE UPDATE

315 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:34:20am

“Over the past eight weeks we have seen the Obama administration show no respect for international or domestic law, but in the end the law is winning…I thank the Russian Federation for granting me asylum in accordance with its laws and international obligations.”
— Edward Snowden

Puke.

316 Skip Intro  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:34:21am

re: #257 Eclectic Cyborg

Seems more like a victory tour to me.

Does George travel with his PR agent to make sure he gets mentioned in the press every time he farts, like the Kardashians do?

317 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:35:57am

re: #315 Gus

The amusing part is that he might believe that crap.

318 Skip Intro  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:40:02am

re: #295 allegro

I suppose I was in wishful thinking land because in a sensible world ebooks would solve a lot of problems.

Amazon always says that the prices of ebooks are set by the publishers, which makes them an even bigger rip because the real books often come with access codes that allow the student to use a class website for additional material and posting work. The ebooks allow none of that.

319 CarleeCork  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:49:24am

re: #256 lawhawk

Four states away. (Texas - LA - MS - AL - FL). Just out to clear his head, of course.

Probably moving to Texas to be Glenn Beck’s VP running mate.

320 Skip Intro  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:51:01am

re: #319 CarleeCork

Probably moving to Texas to be Glenn Beck’s VP running mate.

Or heading to the NRA to accept their Sportsman of the Year award.

321 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:58:21am

“An “exhausted” Edward Snowden will have his own choice of accommodation, has no current plans to leave Russia…” Kremlin owned RT.

322 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:00:34am

re: #294 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

[Embedded content]

WTF? Clearly the Virginia GOP is engaged in trying to out-crazy each other.

The Party of Small Government, huh? Bullshit. Even the Taliban has never suggested something this batshit insane. No cleric or imam I am aware of, even the most wackadoodle, has proposed anything like this under the rubric of sharia’a.

323 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:04:53am

re: #322 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

Again, this is why the Republicans are the Christian Taliban.

Expect widespread terroristic activity by the 2020s-2030s. This is also a factor in why I want Puerto Rico to become a state. We can build a number of space centers there, and move the launching of Manned missions, and high profile unmanned missions of the mainland, to somewhere safer.

324 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:07:34am

re: #294 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

[Embedded content]

Is there a contest to be the looniest US politician going on down there that the rest of the world doesn’t know about?

325 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:09:43am

re: #323 ProTARDISLiberal

Again, this is why the Republicans are the Christian Taliban.

Expect widespread terroristic activity by the 2020s-2030s. This is also a factor in why I want Puerto Rico to become a state. We can build a number of space centers there, and move the launching of Manned missions, and high profile unmanned missions of the mainland, to somewhere safer.

Dude, move to the Great White North where due to AGW there will soon be summer weather all year long.

326 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:11:09am
327 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:11:46am
The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) said 1,319 civilians died and 2,533 were injured as a result of the war from January 1 to June 30, up 23 percent from the same period in 2012.

UNAMA attributed 74 percent of civilian deaths and injuries to Anti-Government Elements, nine percent to Pro-Government Forces and 12 percent to ground engagements between Pro-Government Forces and Anti-Government Elements. The remaining four percent of civilian casualties were unattributed caused mainly by explosive remnants of war.

328 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:13:38am
But the problems that exist in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen are multifaceted, and we can’t solve those problems by focusing solely on one actor, even if that one actor is the one for whom we bear direct responsibility. At my old blog, I wrote extensively about the ways in which terrorist organizations like al Qaeda and the Taliban violate the laws of warfare - by targeting civilians; by operating from within civilian population centers, thereby putting those civilians at risk; by failing to wear identifiable uniforms that distinguish themselves from civilians, and so forth - so I won’t repeat all that here. I will, however, point out that Wednesday’s UNAMA report underscores my argument, and if the anti-drone crowd really cares about innocent civilians caught up in this insane “war on terror,” they ought to be just as quick to condemn the war crimes committed by terrorist organizations as they are to criticize American drone strikes.

Unless, of course, civilian deaths only matter when they can be linked to the Obama Administration.

David von Ebers

329 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:15:07am
The Taliban, of course, disputes the report and says it’s trying to reduce civilian deaths.

Heh.

330 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:16:15am

re: #315 Gus

“Over the past eight weeks we have seen the Obama administration show no respect for international or domestic law, but in the end the law is winning…I thank the Russian Federation for granting me asylum in accordance with its laws and international obligations.”
— Edward Snowden

Puke.

The asshole who stole and then leaked classified information is whining about others not showing respect for the law? Fucking priceless. Dick.

332 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:23:06am

re: #331 Kragar

The Stormfront-ness of WND is becoming more evident each day.

333 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:27:08am
335 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:31:23am

re: #294 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

[Embedded content]

Seriously? Jesu Christie, is there no depth to which they will not stoop to control women?

336 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:33:15am

re: #335 Mateo Scrounge

Seriously? Jesu Christie, is there no depth to which they will not stoop to control women?

Funny that you mention that:

Texas Republicans Want Wendy Davis to Pay for Their Special Sessions

337 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:35:27am

re: #336 Kragar

Funny that you mention that:

Texas Republicans Want Wendy Davis to Pay for Their Special Sessions

Once again, how do writers for The Onion get out of bed every morning?

338 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:37:29am
339 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:38:40am

re: #338 jaunte

Texas running out of execution drug

“It was pity that stayed his hand,” said Goodgulf.

“It’s a pity I’ve run out of bullets!” thought Dildo.

340 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:39:01am

re: #338 jaunte

Texas running out of execution drug

Maybe they could try massive doses of RU-486.

Oh, wait. That would be murder.

341 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:39:54am
342 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:41:31am

re: #331 Kragar

Erik Rush: Africa and India Colonized Because Their People Seemed ‘Only a Few Steps Out of the Trees’

next step: some moron tells you he can show you that india was barely out of the trees when the british got there and as proof he brandishes the url to this article

343 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:43:28am

re: #325 b_sharp

Dude, move to the Great White North where due to AGW there will soon be summer weather all year long.

Wouldn’t that make it just the Great North then?

344 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:43:52am

re: #339 Mateo Scrounge

“It was pity that stayed his hand,” said Goodgulf.

“It’s a pity I’ve run out of bullets!” thought Dildo.

While true, the upding is for the Bored of the Rings reference.

345 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:43:54am

I’m calling bulls*it on the latest hair on fire, govt. is evil story de jour:

Google Pressure Cookers and Backpacks, Get a Visit from the Feds

Link

346 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:44:15am

re: #338 jaunte

Texas running out of execution drug

How soon until someone calls for dusting off the Chair?

347 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:44:56am

re: #346 Eclectic Cyborg

Waiting for Nugent to volunteer for the firing squad.

348 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:45:13am

re: #274 lawhawk

And speaking of SC:

That’s the same county that spawned Susan Smith, killer of her kids who blamed it on a “black carjacker”.

349 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:45:18am

re: #343 Eclectic Cyborg

Wouldn’t that make it just the Great North then?

The Great Wet North, which will be important after the Midwest starts to look like central Mexico.

350 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:45:41am

Marine Helps Boy Finish Race, Melts Our Hearts

On Saturday, the 19-year-old Marine noticed 9-year-old Boden Fuchs struggling to complete the race. The boy had become separated from his group. According to the Facebook page, Seal of Honor, which posted a photograph of the pair running together, Boden asked Kerr, “Sir, will you please run with me?” Kerr, wearing boots and fatigues, and carrying a full backpack, stuck with the boy, encouraged him to complete the race, and helped him reunite with his party at the end of the course—even though Kerr was dead last in his age group, clocking in at 35:43 minutes (five seconds behind Boden). He came in so much later than his Marine buddies, in fact, that they were concerned he had been injured.

351 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:46:42am

re: #347 jaunte

Waiting for Nugent to volunteer for the firing squad.

I had a brief smile, imagining him being tied to a stake, saying, “Hey! I thought I was volunteering to SHOOT!”

352 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:46:55am

If anyone wants to check out the PBS Frontline special on Assisted Living, here are the links.

353 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:47:49am

re: #345 b.d.

I’m calling bulls*it on the latest hair on fire, govt. is evil story de jour:

Link

354 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:47:55am

re: #345 b.d.

I’m calling bulls*it on the latest hair on fire, govt. is evil story de jour:

Link

Whatever you do, don’t ask which pressure cookers fit in a backpack.

355 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:48:16am

re: #332 freetoken

The Stormfront-ness of WND is becoming more evident each day.

WND = White Nationalist Daily.

356 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:49:35am

12-year old robs Lemonade stand of 10-year old with BB Gun

Now I know you’re asking “What’s wrong with these kids?” but the story does have a happy ending: Responsible, honest kids chased the perpetrator down and got the 10-year old his money back.

357 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:50:21am

re: #350 Kragar

Marine Helps Boy Finish Race, Melts Our Hearts

Yay, I needed a happy story of people not being jerks. Thank you.

358 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:51:08am

re: #350 Kragar

Marine Helps Boy Finish Race, Melts Our Hearts

Take note Bryan Fischer. This is an awesome story and nobody gives a shit whether the marine was gay, straight, Christian, Jewish or anything else.

359 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:51:45am

re: #345 b.d.

I’m calling bulls*it on the latest hair on fire, govt. is evil story de jour:

Link

I’ve known Michelle for years, and have never seen her invent hoax stories.

360 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:52:04am

re: #355 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

WND = White Nationalist Daily.

World’s Nastiest Derp.

Wholly Nuts Daily

We’re Nazi Douchebags

Wicked Nasty Demagogues

361 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:52:05am


After the judge told him he couldn’t contact the family ever the fucker asked the judge about parental rights so he could see the kid. Unreal.

362 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:52:06am

re: #323 ProTARDISLiberal

Again, this is why the Republicans are the Christian Taliban.

Expect widespread terroristic activity by the 2020s-2030s. This is also a factor in why I want Puerto Rico to become a state. We can build a number of space centers there, and move the launching of Manned missions, and high profile unmanned missions of the mainland, to somewhere safer.

I hope you’re wrong -no offense - on your forecasts of terrorist activity. Sadly, I could see that, especially if the GOP gets downsized to being a purely regional party in the Deep South.

363 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:53:00am

I’ve ignored Greenwald’s articles for years, so I missed this when it was published, but I can hardly believe what a horrible fucked-up argument he’s making here.

364 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:53:00am

re: #353 b.d.

[Embedded content]

The FBI already confirmed there was a visit to the house, by local police.

365 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:53:04am

re: #361 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]


After the judge told him he couldn’t contact the family ever the fucker asked the judge about parental rights so he could see the kid. Unreal.

‘Patricide begs for mercy, claims he’s an orphan.’

366 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:53:28am

re: #360 Mateo Scrounge

World’s Nastiest Derp.

Wholly Nuts Daily

We’re Nazi Douchebags

Wicked Nasty Demagogues

Heh. WND is becoming Stormfront lite. Sickening.

367 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:54:13am

re: #363 Charles Johnson

He was also really, really wrong about this bit:

Except that I would add one point about Western reaction if indeed it turns out to be a domestic rather than “terrorist” (i.e., Muslim) attack: American interest in these attacks and the desire to be seen publicly denouncing them will quickly diminish — almost to the point of non-existence — if the perpetrators are not Muslim.

368 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:54:27am

re: #331 Kragar

Erik Rush: Africa and India Colonized Because Their People Seemed ‘Only a Few Steps Out of the Trees’

We didn’t come OUT of Africa, we went INTO Africa? Interesting.

369 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:54:27am

re: #359 Charles Johnson

Thank you and noted but this does stink to high heaven.

If I was a dog, I’d be barking at this story.

370 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:56:13am

Comic relief from Freeperland, “Pinochet” (for real, that’s the username) proposes deporting illegal immigrants to………Detroit:

Last year, New York Mayor, Michael Bloomberg, suggested that illegal immigrants be sent to Detroit.

See: cnsnews.com

I think that this is a great idea. Because of America’s highest crime rates, 65 percent of the population of Detroit left the city, so there is a lot of room in the city. The illegal immigrants should be forcibly transported to Detroit, and not receive any government welfare of any kind, and the government should block all exits from Detroit to prevent the immigrants from fleeing from Detroit for two years. Instead of illegal immigrants ruining good neighborhoods in Arizona and Texas, why not take them to a place where the neighborhoods are already ruined?

After a couple of weeks in Detroit, illegals will beg to be taken back to Mexico City, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, and Nicaragua, which are civilized by comparison. At least, those third world hell holes have not gone bankrupt like Detroit, because they do not have welfare, food stamps, and union wages for public sector workers.

Actually, several of those countries are chronically bankrupt and government employees form a privileged elite in some of them. Mexico’s government, at least, passes out free food as a matter of policy. It is basically missing the point, though, to introduce facts into any discussion of freeper bigotry. To them, errors of fact are a feature not a bug. This is because literacy and factual knowledge are vaguely disreputable and gay in their everyday lives; they see these things as a necessary evil at best.

371 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:56:46am

re: #363 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I’ve ignored Greenwald’s articles for years, so I missed this when it was published, but I can hardly believe what a horrible fucked-up argument he’s making here.

WTF? So he really IS just a self-loathing, self-promoting shitbag.

372 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:56:57am

re: #362 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

That’s what I expect to happen.

Puerto Rico is away from the mainland, which would make it safer. In addition, it is closer to the equator, making it less costly to launch things into space there.

Hopefully, when it becomes a state, we get into a real discussion about putting Space Centers in.

373 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:57:19am

Read:

#UNAMA

@KandaharMedia

374 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:57:26am

re: #364 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’ve been under the impression that every time someone enters or leaves the country they get on a TSA list that is compared to the list of suspect travelers.

375 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:58:05am

re: #373 Gus

Read:

#UNAMA

@KandaharMedia

[Embedded content]

I was the only person to RT that. Crickets from the emoprogs.

376 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:59:36am

re: #374 freetoken

I’ve been under the impression that every time someone enters or leaves the country they get on a TSA list that is compared to the list of suspect travelers.

There’s a lot missing from the story. The FBI could have a warrant to tap him based on something else. This doesn’t necessarily have a thing to do with the NSA stuff, but people will conflate the two automatically.

377 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:00:53am

re: #372 ProTARDISLiberal

That’s what I expect to happen.

Puerto Rico is away from the mainland, which would make it safer. In addition, it is closer to the equator, making it less costly to launch things into space there.

Hopefully, when it becomes a state, we get into a real discussion about putting Space Centers in.

That’s a good point, especially being closer to the equator. I have to admit, in my darker moods, I’d be quite happy to let the South go independent. Well, after they’ve paid back the trillions they’ve received while a part of the USA - and they’d not be allowed to militarize, either. Nothing more dangerous than small arms. All US military bases/naval facilities/nuclear installations will be closed and demolished at their expense. And a host of other things. Most of them deeply unpleasant.

378 Skip Intro  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:00:57am

re: #358 Eclectic Cyborg

Take note Bryan Fischer. This is an awesome story and nobody gives a shit whether the marine was gay, straight, Christian, Jewish or anything else.

Not quite. Bryan does.

379 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:01:57am

re: #372 ProTARDISLiberal

That’s what I expect to happen.

Puerto Rico is away from the mainland, which would make it safer. In addition, it is closer to the equator, making it less costly to launch things into space there.

Hopefully, when it becomes a state, we get into a real discussion about putting Space Centers in.

I’m not sure if it would be safer. PR has been hit by 40 hurricanes over the ~130 yrs (or so) with an average of 1 every 3.5 yrs. The entire space industry, including manufacturing, would have to relocate to PR to actually make it cheaper. The cost and time to ship things to PR is tremendous.

380 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:05:39am

re: #323 ProTARDISLiberal

Again, this is why the Republicans are the Christian Taliban.

Expect widespread terroristic activity by the 2020s-2030s. This is also a factor in why I want Puerto Rico to become a state. We can build a number of space centers there, and move the launching of Manned missions, and high profile unmanned missions of the mainland, to somewhere safer.

Isn’t this the kind of speculation that got you banned in the first place? i’m not writing off the South, and neither is Obama. He was in Tennessee this week.

381 prairiefire  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:07:25am

re: #380 Carlos Danger

No! not giving up on the South!

382 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:08:38am

re: #381 prairiefire

No! not giving up on the South!

There is nothing wrong with the South.

Southerners on the other hand…

383 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:09:03am

re: #363 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I’ve ignored Greenwald’s articles for years, so I missed this when it was published, but I can hardly believe what a horrible fucked-up argument he’s making here.

By Jove you’re right. He updated with this bullshit:

Yet some reports now say that Norwegian police believe the perpetrator was a native Norwegian driven by domestic opposition to the government. As I wrote three different times here, both the perpetrators and their motives are unknown, and none of the points I made — which relate exclusively to the reaction to these attacks — are changed in any way based on the identity of the perpetrators. Except that I would add one point about Western reaction if indeed it turns out to be a domestic rather than “terrorist” (i.e., Muslim) attack: American interest in these attacks and the desire to be seen publicly denouncing them will quickly diminish — almost to the point of non-existence — if the perpetrators are not Muslim. Add that to the list of revealing aspects of the reaction to this story.

Really?

384 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:12:36am

What a dick.

385 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:13:13am

Monster’s trial is being re-broadcast somewhere, hubby is listening to it. I can’t stand it to hear it.

you?

386 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:14:18am

re: #377 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

That’s a good point, especially being closer to the equator. I have to admit, in my darker moods, I’d be quite happy to let the South go independent. Well, after they’ve paid back the trillions they’ve received while a part of the USA - and they’d not be allowed to militarize, either. Nothing more dangerous than small arms. All US military bases/naval facilities/nuclear installations will be closed and demolished at their expense. And a host of other things. Most of them deeply unpleasant.

WHAT ABOUT DISNEY WORLD??????

387 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:14:21am

re: #383 Gus

He tried to excuse the butchering of children.

What a Sheep-Shagging cretin that Greenwald is.

388 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:16:07am

re: #386 FemNaziBitch

WHAT ABOUT DISNEY WORLD??????

Heh.

389 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:17:04am

re: #383 Gus

Except that I would add one point about Western reaction if indeed it turns out to be a domestic rather than “terrorist” (i.e., Muslim) attack: American interest in these attacks and the desire to be seen publicly denouncing them will quickly diminish — almost to the point of non-existence — if the perpetrators are not Muslim. Add that to the list of revealing aspects of the reaction to this story.

Needs more projection.

390 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:17:52am

re: #387 ProTARDISLiberal

He tried to excuse the butchering of children.

What a Sheep-Shagging cretin that Greenwald is.

He obviously didn’t read Brevik’s manifesto nor reported on that, did he?

GG is closer to that ideology than he thinks.

391 jaunte  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:18:05am

re: #383 Gus

Add that to the list of revealing aspects of the reaction to this story.

GG must be incapable of feeling embarrassment.

392 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:18:30am

re: #383 Gus

By Jove you’re right. He updated with this bullshit:

Really?

This sentence is a piece of work:

This has nothing to do with justification, as these kinds of civilian-targeting attacks are, as I said, inherently unjustifiable (though if NATO declares the leader of Libya a “legitimate military target” and air bombs his residence, what’s the argument as to why the office of the Prime Minister whose country is at war with Libya is not a legitimate target?).

‘This has nothing to do with justification, and this is inherently unjustifiable, but watch this!

393 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:18:50am

It seems as though the Russian Orthodox Church has jumped onto the Snowden bandwagon, and even worse, they’ve gone full derp.

rt.com

394 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:19:14am

re: #390 Justanotherhuman

Of course he is. He’s part of the Dudebro Libertarian idiocy. And we know he is anti-Immigrant because of his statements about it during the Bush Administration.

395 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:19:16am

CNN article:

“There is no place in this city, there is no place in this country, there is no place in this world for those who enslave others,” Judge Michael Russo told kidnapper Ariel Castro.

Cleveland kidnapper Ariel Castro, speaking at his sentencing hearing, said, “I’m not a violent person. I simply kept them there so they couldn’t leave.” He was referring to the three women he held captive for about a decade.

396 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:19:32am

re: #391 jaunte

GG must be incapable of feeling embarrassment.

Someone with a nuclear sized ego doesn’t know how to be embarrassed.

397 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:20:38am

re: #393 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

It seems as though the Russian Orthodox Church has jumped onto the Snowden bandwagon, and even worse, they’ve gone full derp.

rt.com

Well, it’s probably a good thing Snowjob isn’t a Juice or Black.

398 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:20:40am

re: #392 wrenchwench

This sentence is a piece of work:

‘This has nothing to do with justification, and this is inherently unjustifiable, but watch this!

So Greenwald was pondering, asking questions, perhaps Oslo could be seen as a “legitimate military target.” Because, magical balance fairies and Norway was in the Afghanistan war.

399 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:21:08am

re: #393 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

It seems as though the Russian Orthodox Church has jumped onto the Snowden bandwagon, and even worse, they’ve gone full derp.

rt.com

Are they trying to make the Vatican look good?

400 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:21:26am

re: #397 Justanotherhuman

Well, it’s probably a good thing Snowjob isn’t a Juice or Black.

Or gay.

401 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:22:11am

re: #397 Justanotherhuman

re: #399 Carlos Danger

LOL.

402 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:22:32am

re: #398 Gus

Never mind Norway joined the ISAF coalition after the worst Terror Attack in History. Afghanistan, while badly handled by Bush, was a very justified war. Same with Libya, where Qaddafi was using aircraft and heavy arms against protesters.

403 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:23:25am

When will creationists give up? I guess we’re going to have to get the overwhelming majority of people in the US to accept that evolution is a fact before we hear the end of this.

404 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:24:42am

So Greenwald’s first reaction to the “Oslo attacks” was that “a Muslim did it!” Is that not itself an Islamophobic response?

405 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:25:27am

re: #404 Gus

Yep.

406 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:26:57am

re: #405 ProTARDISLiberal

Yep.

Boom!

407 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:27:50am
The church official added that in his view true democracy remained an unreachable ideal.

“Any political system fixes the domination of a few over many. In the twentieth century the harshest forms of such political power used brute force, but now they are using soft power, through total data collecting and through soft persuasion of people, first through slogans but then through legal acts,”

The only real freedom is total submission to the Russian Orthodox Church! Oh snap.

408 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:30:33am

re: #407 Carlos Danger

The Russian Orthodox Church is way behind the times, even farther back than the Vatican.

409 Kaessa  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:33:43am

re: #239 lawhawk

Doesn’t he have a concealed carry permit from Florida? There are a LOT of states with reciprocity agreements regarding concealed carry.

410 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:43:19am

I have a solution to the RWNJ problem: Declare the area around Lubbock a Special Administrative Region, similar to what the Chicoms have done in Hong Kong, but for glibertarians and sovereign citizen nutjobs. All “others” would be compensated to leave and their former property made available for homesteading.
Yellowhouse Canyon would be renamed Galt Gulch. Public schools, fire departments, etc. would be abolished and replaced by private ad hoc efforts. The only law, enforced by the county judge and the new sheriff, would be geared toward the protection of sacred property rights. (The current sheriff would have to go, since he is a real lawman and has little use for nutjobbery). All federal law and statutes would be suspended within the zone, especially those like the minimum wage and OSHA that impede free enterprise. I am sure some of the local fatcats would want to stay on to provide employment, unregulated food supplies, and privately funded water and power systems.
Gross violations of environmental law that might affect the outside world (depletion of ground water, heavy air pollution, etc.) would not be dealt with by EPA officials and similar collectivist oppressors, but by air and missile strikes. Weapons would be unrestricted, of course, unless they were fired across the mined and wired border zone, in which case counter-battery fire from restored 16 inch battleship guns would be brought to bear. It’s pretty spectacular, we could make money by charging outsiders to come to the border area and watch. More could be made by basing a reality show in the zone. This is only if we could find qualified camera operators etc. among the inmates, since no sane person would dare go into the place.
All social security, retirement payments, and other federal funds due the inmates would be confiscated to defray the cost of maintaining the border defenses. Anyone who wants out would be held at a border checkpoint, examined for disease and returned to the real world only after two years of service in a federal poverty or environmental program.

411 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:54:00am

re: #359 Charles Johnson

Okay but it does have a certain whiff of BS without more corroboration.

The article asks an excellent question-How’d the government know what they were Googling?

Is there a FISA warrant or what that innocent search declared probable cause? So many questions-Did the agencies look at these people at all before the raid for suspicious activity or a record of threats, or connections to any terror group at all?

412 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:05:17pm
Update 1:45 p.m.: In a conversation with The Atlantic Wire, FBI spokesperson Peter Donald confirmed The Guardian’s report that the FBI was not involved in the visit itself. Asked if the FBI was involved in providing information that led to the visit, Donald replied that he could not answer the question at this point, as he didn’t know.

We asked if the Suffolk and Nassau police, which The Guardian reported were the authorities that effected the raid, are part of the government’s regional Joint Terrorism Task Force. They are, he replied, representing two of the 52 agencies that participate. He said that local police are often deputized federal marshals for that purpose — but that the JTTF “did not visit the residence.” He later clarified: “Any officers, agents, or other representatives of the JTTF did not visit that location.”

Link

413 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:49:04pm

re: #412 b.d.

That’s not the important detail, though. I mean, unless we’re going with the idea the entire visit was fictionalized, which just seems radically unlikely. She would destroy her career.

414 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:31:04pm

re: #122 Justanotherhuman

You’ve reminded me of how much I’m learning of Britain’s role in WWII.

This fellow joined the RAF at age 17 and was flying a Spitfire a few months later. Geoffrey Wellum: The terrible beauty of flying a Spitfire at the age of 18 telegraph.co.uk

A friend’s Brit father was another who lied about his age, and was flying Thunderbolts at the age of 17 in the Battle of Britain. With typical British understatement, he indicated that if you proved you were capable, no one questioned if you were really the age you claimed to be.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2016-01-01 10:29 am PST
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds Tweet

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal
Square Cash Shop at amazon
as an LGF Associate!
Recent PagesClick to refresh
CAPYAC- ‘Gold Rush’Live in Studio 1A on July 18, 2019. Host: Taylor WallaceAudio Engineers: Cliff Hargrove, Jake PerlmanProducer: Deidre GottCamera: Gabriel C. Pérez, Richie LoriaEdit: Gabriel C. Pérez
Thanos
11 hours, 55 minutes ago
Views: 118 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 2 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Jackson Browne - Running on Empty - OFFICIAL VIDEO MONTAGE A Video Montage of Joel Bernstein photos from the 1977 Jackson Browne Running On Empty Tour. Video Montage created by Andrew Thomas. A new version of ‘Running On Empty,’ with newly remastered sound and a faithful reproduction of the ...
Thanos
1 day, 14 hours ago
Views: 148 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
In Some States, GOP Sees the Recall as Its Way Back to Power The GOP trying to subvert democracy again as Western states slowly shift from bright red to purple. Republicans have been mounting recall efforts against Democratic state lawmakers and governors at an unprecedented rate over the past two years in ...
Thanos
1 day, 15 hours ago
Views: 209 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 5 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Tank and the Bangas - Hot Air Balloons Ft. Alex IsleyMusic video by Tank And The Bangas performing Hot Air Balloons. © 2019 UMG Recordings, Inc. vevo.ly
Thanos
3 days, 11 hours ago
Views: 187 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Fitz and the Tantrums - I Just Wanna Shine (Official Video) Fitz and the Tantrums official video for their new song 'I Just Wanna Shine' from their upcoming album All The Feels - available September 20th on Elektra Records. Pre-order All The Feels today! lnk.to See Fitz and the Tantrums ...
Thanos
3 days, 11 hours ago
Views: 189 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 3 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Feel (Feat. Lianne La Havas) - Jacob Collier “Feel (feat Lianne La Havas)” by Jacob Collier [OFFICIAL AUDIO] from Djesse Vol. 2 Lianne La Havas must have one of the most delicious, deep, versatile, scintillating and gorgeous voices on the planet... she has been a fave of ...
Thanos
3 days, 11 hours ago
Views: 245 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Stella Donnelly - Tricks (Live on KEXP)kexp.org presents Stella Donnelly performing "Tricks" live in the KEXP studio. Recorded April 3, 2019. Host: Cheryl WatersAudio Engineer: Kevin SuggsCameras: Jim Beckmann, Alaia D'Alessandro & Justin WilmoreEditor: Justin Wilmore kexp.org stelladonnelly.com
Thanos
3 days, 11 hours ago
Views: 208 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 3 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Midnight Blue (Remastered) Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group Midnight Blue (Remastered) · Kenny Burrell Midnight Blue ℗ A Blue Note Records Release; ℗ 1999 Capitol Records LLC Released on: 1999-01-01 Producer: Alfred LionStudio Personnel, Recording Engineer, Mastering Engineer: Rudy Van ...
Thanos
5 days, 9 hours ago
Views: 260 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 3 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Wilco - Love Is Everywhere (Beware) Ode to Joy – Wilco’s 11th studio album – will be released Oct. 4, 2019 via dBpm Records. The album features 11 new songs written and produced by Jeff Tweedy and recorded by Wilco at The Loft (Chicago, IL) ...
Thanos
5 days, 14 hours ago
Views: 237 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 4 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Orville Peck - Dead of Night (Live on KEXP)kexp.org presents Orville Peck performing "Dead Of Night" live in the KEXP studio. Recorded May 20, 2019. Host: Cheryl WatersAudio Engineer: Kevin SuggsCameras: Jim Beckmann, Alaia D'Alessandro, Scott Holpainen & Justin WilmoreEditor: Jim Beckmann kexp.orgorvillepeck.com
Thanos
6 days, 13 hours ago
Views: 323 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 3 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0