NY Writer Says She Was Visited by a Terrorism Task Force for Googling Pressure Cookers

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New York writer/blogger Michele Catalano has a piece at Medium on a very disturbing experience her family had yesterday — a visit from members of the local Joint Terrorism Task Force: Pressure Cookers, Backpacks and Quinoa, Oh My!

What happened was this: At about 9:00 am, my husband, who happened to be home yesterday, was sitting in the living room with our two dogs when he heard a couple of cars pull up outside. He looked out the window and saw three black SUVs in front of our house; two at the curb in front and one pulled up behind my husband’s Jeep in the driveway, as if to block him from leaving.

Six gentleman in casual clothes emerged from the vehicles and spread out as they walked toward the house, two toward the backyard on one side, two on the other side, two toward the front door.

A million things went through my husband’s head. None of which were right. He walked outside and the men greeted him by flashing badges. He could see they all had guns holstered in their waistbands.

“Are you [name redacted]?” one asked while glancing at a clipboard. He affirmed that was indeed him, and was asked if they could come in. Sure, he said.

They asked if they could search the house, though it turned out to be just a cursory search. They walked around the living room, studied the books on the shelf (nope, no bomb making books, no Anarchist Cookbook), looked at all our pictures, glanced into our bedroom, pet our dogs. They asked if they could go in my son’s bedroom but when my husband said my son was sleeping in there, they let it be.

Meanwhile, they were peppering my husband with questions. Where is he from? Where are his parents from? They asked about me, where was I, where do I work, where do my parents live. Do you have any bombs, they asked. Do you own a pressure cooker? My husband said no, but we have a rice cooker. Can you make a bomb with that? My husband said no, my wife uses it to make quinoa. What the hell is quinoa, they asked.

According to Michele’s account, she had recently been searching Google for information on pressure cookers, although it’s not clear from the piece whether this was the actual cause of the visit. I’m very interested to see how this story develops.

UPDATE at 8/1/13 12:53:22 pm

More info from the Washington Post: Google ‘Pressure Cooker,’ Get a Police Visit? Maybe Not.

But after reading the questions Catalano says investigators asked her husband, it’s clear that they could come from information that is not Catalano’s search history — say, an anonymous tip from a jumpy neighbor. (Maybe someone who noted this Facebook picture.) And there’s little to suggest Catalano is on a watch-list or that any terrorism investigators were involved, at all. A spokeswoman for the FBI’s New York field office, out of which the New York and Long Island JTTTs are based, said the investigation was led by the Nassau County Police Department with assistance from the Suffolk County Police Department, and the FBI was not involved.

“They were officers from the Nassau County Police Department who identified themselves as such,” said Kelly Langmesser, the FBI spokeswoman. But mysteriously, neither the Nassau nor Suffolk County Police would confirm their involvement in the investigation Thursday afternoon. An officer from the Nassau County Police repeatedly refused to even give her first name; a Public Information Officer in Suffolk County said she would comment when she had more information.

All of this sounds very shady, but it doesn’t exactly scream of an insidious, privacy-invading terrorism investigation. At least it’s impossible to make that conclusion without more information.

UPDATE at 8/1/13 4:02:50 pm

New info from Rob Prather at OTB: An Update on the “Pressure Cookers” Google Search Story.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

August 1, 2013

As a result of numerous media inquiries, received today by the Suffolk County Police Department regarding an internet blog posting, the following statement has been made available.

Suffolk County Criminal Intelligence Detectives received a tip from a Bay Shore based computer company regarding suspicious computer searches conducted by a recently released employee. The former employee’s computer searches took place on this employee’s workplace computer. On that computer, the employee searched the terms “pressure cooker bombs” and “backpacks.”

After interviewing the company representatives, Suffolk County Police Detectives visited the subject’s home to ask about the suspicious internet searches. The incident was investigated by Suffolk County Police Department’s Criminal Intelligence Detectives and was determined to be non-criminal in nature.

Any further inquiries regarding this matter should be directed to the Suffolk County Police Department

Suffolk County Police Department

Public Information Office

(631) 852-6308

UPDATE at 8/1/13 6:12:15 pm

Michele Catalano posts a Clarification and Update:

We found out through the Suffolk Police Department that the searches involved also things my husband looked up at his old job. We were not made aware of this at the time of questioning and were led to believe it was solely from searches from within our house.

I did not lie or make it up. I wrote the piece with the information that was given. What was withheld from us obviously could not be a part of a story I wrote based on what happened yesterday.

The piece I wrote was the story as we knew it with the information we were told. None of it was fabricated. If you know me, you know I would never do that.

If it was misleading, just know that my intention was the truth. And that was what I knew as the truth until about ten minutes ago. That there were other circumstances involved was something we all were unaware of.

Thank you.

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352 comments
1 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:37:09pm

I’ve been googling Shoes —should I be worried?

2 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:39:54pm
3 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:40:30pm

Beck: We Are On The Verge Of Taking Over The Republican Party

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4 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:41:24pm

Denials are coming in:

Update 1:45 p.m.: In a conversation with The Atlantic Wire, FBI spokesperson Peter Donald confirmed The Guardian’s report that the FBI was not involved in the visit itself. Asked if the FBI was involved in providing information that led to the visit, Donald replied that he could not answer the question at this point, as he didn’t know.

We asked if the Suffolk and Nassau police, which The Guardian reported were the authorities that effected the visit, are part of the government’s regional Joint Terrorism Task Force. They are, he replied, representing two of the 52 agencies that participate. He said that local police are often deputized federal marshals for that purpose — but that the JTTF “did not visit the residence.” He later clarified: “Any officers, agents, or other representatives of the JTTF did not visit that location.”

The Atlantic Wire

5 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:41:56pm

There’s no particular reason to assume that the pressure cooker searcher precipitated the search, rather than it being something that was revealed by an already-existing ‘wiretap’.

She redacted the name of her husband, which is understandable, but it makes it a difficult story to work with.

6 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:42:24pm

I’m really trying to hold off on judgement of this but I can’t in good conscious completely ignore my first reaction to this.

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7 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:42:35pm

re: #3 Kragar

Beck: We Are On The Verge Of Taking Over The Republican Party

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Who is “We”? The Tea Party?

8 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:42:41pm

re: #4 b.d.

That’s a confirmation, not a denial, that there was a visit. The only denial is that the people were FBI, which isn’t a hugely important detail.

9 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:43:04pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Beck’s many personalities.

10 celticdragon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:43:09pm

This is where the claims from Snowden start becoming a little more alarming. I thought the NSA has maintained all along that they are not really looking at specific google searches etc and were just getting “metadata”

My spouse and I have been googling all kinds of crazy shit relating to forensic chemistry (she just turned in her final exam tuesday) including chemical formulas for different types of high explosives (like HMX and PETN) and how they decompose /react…fingerprinting methods…drug testing methodology and the metabolites of various narcotics…and DNA testing via electrophorsis.

So when do I get the knock on my door?

11 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:44:05pm

hubby could be doing things she doesn’t know about… . .

12 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:44:07pm

re: #8 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

the JTTF “did not visit the residence.” He later clarified: “Any officers, agents, or other representatives of the JTTF did not visit that location.”

13 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:44:28pm

I thought they were really cute.
Until I saw the $.
I wouldn’t be able to fib a sale, or hide them numbers on a statement!

14 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:45:49pm

re: #10 celticdragon

This is where the claims from Snowden start becoming a little more alarming. I thought the NSA has maintained all along that they are not really looking at specific google searches etc and were just getting “metadata”

Whatever happened here is almost certainly from the FBI, not the NSA, if it’s from any three letter agency.

My spouse and I have been googling all kinds of crazy shit relating to forensic chemistry (she just turned in her final exam tuesday) including chemical formulas for different types of high explosives (like HMX and PETN) and high they decompose /react…fingerprinting methods…drug testing methodology and the metabolites of various narcotics…and DNA testing via electrophorsis.

So when do I get the knock on my door?

Well, that’s the thing. I have a horrific google search history, given my interests in terrorism, world war II, natural philosophy, etc. And yet I don’t get a visit. I doubt, in the wake of the Boston bombings, if everyone who googled ‘pressure cooker bomb’ got a visit. I know that the DOJ doesn’t consider searches to be ‘metadata’, so that kind of makes me think this came from an active wiretap, but the FBI could be delving into that metadata grey area. But even if they are: they can’t possible be interviewing everyone, with six guys, that did an internet search for pressure cooker bombs and backpacks.

15 Ah_Yup  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:46:34pm

Yes, I am looking forward to hearing explanations for this as well. Looking at the Xkey score map the only significant US presence was around the NY area. But it’s more likely that there is more than one big brother here.

My first guess would be the ISP themselves rather than google. The conflagration of “pressure cooker” and “backpack” sounds like something that would come up scanning dumps from an IP but not what Google would flag.

I thought this kind of thing was also a violation of the wiretap act. Can they really just scan everything domestically for key words?

16 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:47:24pm

Uh oh, a few days after it was announced that terrorists were using pressure cookers as bomb vessels I did a Google search for pressure cookers just to see what they look like these days and what the Google side ads had for prices, etc.

So far, no visits from any law enforcement. Not even the local police. And that was months ago.

Like others are gathering…I’m thinking there were other triggers added to a google search that brought it about.

That is if the story holds up. I don’t trust too much stuff anymore.

17 Ah_Yup  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:47:42pm

re: #14 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I googled pressure cooker bomb after that and never saw anything.

I suspect something involving local authorities and ISP’s here.

18 AntonSirius  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:49:13pm

re: #17 Ah_Yup

I suspect something involving local authorities and ISP’s here.

Well, it couldn’t have been local law enforcement. They would have shot the dogs.

19 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:50:09pm

So, here is a little question.

I have an acquaintance who acts like a music expert. Her favorite rock band? Maroon 5. Maroon 5 used to be good, but they have run out of gas recently.

I guarantee that this is better than that. Also, Clara sang part of it in “Cold War”

Youtube Video

In addition, she is a big fangirl for Timberlake. In the new Disco Revival, he also put out a disco song.

I prefer Daft Punk’s, and Bruno Mars’ more.

Youtube Video

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Timberlake’s was okay, but didn’t catch me. At least it isn’t the Misogynistic piece of dog shit that “Blurred Lines” is.

Is she the crazy one, or am I?

20 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:50:29pm

Beware Lizards (from the archives):

LGF Pressure Cooker Ad

21 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:50:58pm

re: #20 Dr. Matt

Beware Lizards:

LGF Pressure Cooker Ad

If I click on that will my computer blow up?

22 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:51:19pm
23 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:52:06pm

I’m skeptical. I could very well be wrong, but given whats going on with Manning and Snowden, it seems a little too convenient.

24 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:53:03pm

re: #21 b.d.

If I click on that will my computer blow up?

Only if it’s an old Pressure Cooker.

25 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:53:18pm

re: #21 b.d.

If I click on that will my computer blow up?

No but you may get an unexpected knock on the door.

26 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:53:28pm

Google ‘Pressure Cooker,’ Get a Police Visit? Maybe Not.

But after reading the questions Catalano says investigators asked her husband, it’s clear that they could come from information that is not Catalano’s search history — say, an anonymous tip from a jumpy neighbor. (Maybe someone who noted this Facebook picture.) And there’s little to suggest Catalano is on a watch-list or that any terrorism investigators were involved, at all. A spokeswoman for the FBI’s New York field office, out of which the New York and Long Island JTTTs are based, said the investigation was led by the Nassau County Police Department with assistance from the Suffolk County Police Department, and the FBI was not involved.

“They were officers from the Nassau County Police Department who identified themselves as such,” said Kelly Langmesser, the FBI spokeswoman. But mysteriously, neither the Nassau nor Suffolk County Police would confirm their involvement in the investigation Thursday afternoon. An officer from the Nassau County Police repeatedly refused to even give her first name; a Public Information Officer in Suffolk County said she would comment when she had more information.

All of this sounds very shady, but it doesn’t exactly scream of an insidious, privacy-invading terrorism investigation. At least it’s impossible to make that conclusion without more information.

27 gunnison  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:54:21pm

My instinct here, which is worth exactly what you paid for it, is that something is not quite right with the account. (The Guardian cross-posted this also)

The piece describes the searchers as not even opening the door of their 20 year-old son’s bedroom (because he was asleep inside at the time). That sounds odd to me, given how many shootings there have been by unhinged young men who came off the rails so horribly without the parents either knowing about it or knowing what to do about it.

It all could have gone down as described, but my instinct is waving a little red flag in the corner of my mind.
If it did indeed happen this way, and their internet searches are what triggered the visit, then that’s disturbing and quite contrary to the authorities’ recent denials.

28 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:54:37pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

There’s always more to the story, isn’t there?

Afternoon Lizardim from the beautiful, clear, and cool wild north country.

29 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:54:48pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Beck and his listeners, whoever they may be, who he will gather with pitchforks and do something….

30 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:55:09pm

re: #19 ProTARDISLiberal

I guess the real question is why neither of you is listening to Ronnie James Dio.

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31 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:56:32pm

I’d bet THOUSANDS of people googled pressure cookers AND backpacks after Boston. The problem with accepting that as the explanation is that she doesn’t even say that’s what the cops claimed, but rather that it was one thing they asked about. And they seemed pretty damned casual about it, almost perfunctory.

32 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:56:38pm

We are talking about a writer. Who all has she come into contact with doing stories? Did they call her at home linking phone number with some shady characters? She could be sending out links with searches, phone numbers, library use, college research sites for stories she is doing or has done. Add in something like her husband recently buying a gun and whoosh.

Knowing how much info can be stored and cross referenced could put her in a perfect storm kind of scenario.

33 bubba zanetti  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:56:39pm

I can see something like “I bought 10 different pressure cookers (to try them out) and the FBI came knocking”. But “I googled pressure cookers”?

Doesn’t make sense.

34 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:56:57pm

Did they have a warrant? Shouldn’t the homeowner’s have asked to see one?

I would.

I have big issues with law enforcement doing searches without a paper trail.

35 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:57:16pm

re: #30 Kragar

I hadn’t heard of it.

Yes, I know I am crazy already in a multitude of ways. But at the same time, I would like to think I am somewhat sane on music.

36 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:57:24pm

Based on the follow up to the pressure cooker story, I’m gonna go with “asshole neighbor calling cops to harass the Catalanos.”

37 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:58:14pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Google ‘Pressure Cooker,’ Get a Police Visit? Maybe Not.

We are awaiting a response from Suffolk County police and the Department of Homeland Security which operates an investigatory fusion center in the region. A representative of the Nassau County police denied the department’s involvement in the visit.

Link

38 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:58:18pm

re: #34 FemNaziBitch

Did they have a warrant? Shouldn’t the homeowner’s have asked to see one?

I would.

I have big issues with law enforcement doing searches without a paper trail.

That is your right. They can ask, but you can say no. I’d be inclined to in such a case, then I’d want to read the warrant fully if they came back with one.

39 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:58:24pm

re: #34 FemNaziBitch

Did they have a warrant? Shouldn’t the homeowner’s have asked to see one?

I would.

I have big issues with law enforcement doing searches without a paper trail.

That was my first reaction, too. But then, again, the guy’s son is upstairs. Also, if you make them go back for a warrant, the cops probably would have destroyed the place and shot the dogs.

40 Slap  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:58:32pm

The link to their Facebook photo could have given folks a bit of a pause….

41 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:58:51pm

Just popped up on my FB…

JOE vs. JOSE

You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”. Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California ..

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

Ready? Now pay attention….

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031..00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has 9,631 .00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal Rent Subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000..00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc..

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same elementary school.. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches, while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

Now, when they reach college age, Joe Legal’s kids may not get into a State School and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State Schools through his taxes, while Jose Illegal’s kids “go to the head of the class” because they are a minority.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

42 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:59:03pm

I also looked up pressure cookers after the BM bombings (I can remember far back enough after 9/11 that you didn’t even want to type in the word “bomb”).

No visits, nada. So, Michelle wasn’t there, I’m assuming? Did those guys ask where she was? Like another commenter, I’d like to know more about the husband; there could be more going on than just innocently googling pressure cookers. Do they make overseas calls, for instance?

43 steve_davis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:59:11pm

re: #14 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Whatever happened here is almost certainly from the FBI, not the NSA, if it’s from any three letter agency.

Well, that’s the thing. I have a horrific google search history, given my interests in terrorism, world war II, natural philosophy, etc. And yet I don’t get a visit. I doubt, in the wake of the Boston bombings, if everyone who googled ‘pressure cooker bomb’ got a visit. I know that the DOJ doesn’t consider searches to be ‘metadata’, so that kind of makes me think this came from an active wiretap, but the FBI could be delving into that metadata grey area. But even if they are: they can’t possible be interviewing everyone, with six guys, that did an internet search for pressure cooker bombs and backpacks.

oh god. “Sir, you have an interest in lesbian nurses?” “Well, not JUST nurses. It can really be lesbians in any service field—nurses, stewardesses, nuns….”

44 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 12:59:51pm


from the article:

The president of Michigan’s Hillsdale College took heat from several lawmakers during a hearing today in which he said state officials visited his campus to determine whether enough “dark ones” were enrolled.

Larry Arnn, the president of the private college, made the comments during a subcommittee hearing on Michigan’s adoption of the Common Core State Standards. Arnn, who spoke in opposition of the standards, prefaced his comments by describing an experience when he began as president in the early 2000s in which state officials criticized his college for, as he said, not having enough “dark” students.

And thereby validating the purpose of the state officials visit.

45 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:01:10pm

re: #44 geoffm33

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from the article:

And thereby validating the purpose of the state officials visit.

Hey, at least he was genteel enough to call them ‘dark ones’, not ‘darkIES.’

46 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:01:51pm

bbl

47 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:02:10pm

Harvey: Homosexuality Is A Lot Like Overeating

Many people struggle with appetites for food that lead to obesity but very few were born with a hormonal imbalance leading to weight gain, almost everyone learned these appetites along the way so unlearning them will also be a step-by-step process but it is most certainly possible, starting with facing the truth. It’s kind of similar with homosexual feelings. But no, the world’s message today is go for it, declare yourself and join the out-and-proud community.

Except for it being absolutely nothing like that, its dead on.
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48 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:02:11pm
49 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:02:12pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

So, be mad at the job creators, not Jose.

50 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:02:29pm

re: #44 geoffm33

Maybe he meant “Deep Ones”?

Image: deeponetop.jpg

//

51 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:02:37pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Just popped up on my FB…

You need to prune your friends back.

52 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:03:13pm

re: #1 FemNaziBitch

I’ve been googling Shoes —should I be worried?

No, but Amelda Marcos will be paying you a visit soon.

53 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:03:16pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Just popped up on my FB…

Sounds like you have a new un-friend.

54 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:03:25pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

hmmmmm, no retail taxes paid? never bought gas?

55 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:03:43pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Where is Jose living for $500/mo, the total of his federal rent subsidy?

56 efuseakay  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:03:51pm

My guess? Friend/neighbor/family member with a grudge.

57 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:04:31pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Just popped up on my FB…

If you’ve got a FB “friend” who posts and believes this sort of made-up RWNJ drivel, it may be time to re-evaluate the friends list.

58 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:05:13pm

re: #54 FemNaziBitch

hmmmmm, no retail taxes paid? never bought gas?

DON’T YOU KNOW THAT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AREN’T SUBJECT TO SALES TAX AND THEY GET THEIR GASOLINE FOR FREE?!

59 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:05:59pm

The difference between internet search histories for women and men.

Image: l-263.jpg

60 bubba zanetti  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:06:03pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Funny, every “Mexican” I’ve ever worked with or employed had about three official jobs at any given time.

61 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:06:04pm

If this is the same Michele Catalano , she used to write A Small Victory IIRC.

It’s possible that someone viewing her site may have been targeted by a wiretap and they sourced back to her in that fashion. Or someone began searching terms on computers from her location that got red flags (as in a site that they’ve tagged for a wiretap was visited, perhaps more than once).

Some questions though. She doesn’t explicitly say that the JTTF was involved, only seems to allude to JTTF. The actions by the LEOs that visited do seem to back that up.

However, it could have been any of the other organizations that comprise the JTTF acting on their own accord. For instance, the NYPD is a participating agency, develops its own intel, and can carry out its own raids with or without JTTF. But you could classify the NYPD as part of the JTTF.

Either way, the FBI denials don’t completely rule out that this happened - and there’s more to the story, including which agency was actually responsible for the visit.

62 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:06:07pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Google ‘Pressure Cooker,’ Get a Police Visit? Maybe Not.

Correction: After confirmation from the FBI that its agents weren’t involved in the visit, the headline of this piece was changed to “Visit From the Cops” instead of “the Feds.”

Same The Atlantic Wire link

63 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:06:18pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year.

Wait, I think I see a problem here…..

64 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:06:21pm

Someone should create a “Joe v Jose” but for a Walmart employee vs any other random retail job. See if the RWNJ’s still blame the Jose and not the Walmart.

65 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:08:15pm

re: #63 Bulworth

Wait, I think I see a problem here…..

Yeah, I do, too: the person who posted this is a conservative racist.

66 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:08:35pm

Senate Republicans Block Key Funding Bill On Their Way Home For Summer Recess

As expected, Senate Republicans filibustered legislation Thursday to simultaneously keep the federal government open and invest in infrastructure and housing projects — a significant setback for efforts to bridge budget disagreements and avert a shutdown this fall.

The vote was 54 in favor, 43 against, falling short of the 60 votes needed to move forward. The only member to cross party lines was Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), who helped write the bill and urged colleagues not to block it — to no avail.

“It has been an open and transparent debate thus far, a return to regular order, something that I have heard virtually everyone here urge us to do,” she said. “Nevertheless, some senators are intent on preventing this legislation from moving forward, despite the fact that this bill is not the final version of the transportation and housing appropriations bill. It is only one step in the process but an essential step.”

The crux of the disagreement is that Republican leaders insist on setting domestic spending at levels ordered by sequestration. Democrats, by contrast, want to replace the automatic, across the board cuts and instead set spending at levels agreed to in the 2011 Budget Control Act before sequestration slashes them further.

You know, I’m getting sick and tired of these Republican motherfuckers.

67 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:09:36pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Just popped up on my FB…

It’s also funny how the illegals in these idiotic fantasies are never named “Seamus” or “Sven”.

68 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:10:12pm

re: #58 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

DON’T YOU KNOW THAT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AREN’T SUBJECT TO SALES TAX AND THEY GET THEIR GASOLINE FOR FREE?!

Well, to be fair there is plenty to pick apart in that story. But Joe and Jose are subject to the same sales tax/gasoline tax. ie: If that were added to the equation, it would be added for both sides and wash out.

69 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:10:13pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year.

So the clinics don’t ask for money? And again this business with the emergency hospital care. Derp.

70 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:11:00pm

Here’s an HHS page on the eligibility of aliens to receive federal benefits:

Hint - it’s not just undocumented aliens who are ineligible, but also large numbers of legal immigrants.

71 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:11:17pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I forget: is Schlinder pro- or anti-Snowden/Greenwald?

72 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:11:21pm

re: #69 Bulworth

So the clinics don’t ask for money? And again this business with the emergency hospital care. Derp.

You don’t get your teeth cleaned at the emergency room? You are missing out. //

73 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:12:57pm

re: #49 OhNoZombies!

So, be mad at the job creators, not Jose.

I should have been more clear:
The friend should be angry with the employer, etc.
Anyway, why does it have to be Jose? Ive known a number of people who’ve been paid under the table — especially when it’s a second job, regardless of race.

74 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:13:39pm

This was actually person sharing a post that someone else made, but the person doesn’t usually post stuff like that.

75 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:14:26pm

re: #73 OhNoZombies!

I should have been more clear:
The friend should be angry with the employer, etc.
Anyway, why does it have to be Jose? Ive known a number of people who’ve been paid under the table — especially when it’s a second job, regardless of race.

Yep, I worked under the table all through college doing construction. I mean, I know a friend that worked under the…never mind.

76 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:15:17pm

re: #66 Kragar

Senate Republicans Block Key Funding Bill On Their Way Home For Summer Recess

You know, I’m getting sick and tired of these Republican motherfuckers.

But this is all Obama’s FAULT!!

77 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:16:15pm

re: #69 Bulworth

So the clinics don’t ask for money? And again this business with the emergency hospital care. Derp.

You know what’s fun? When a RWNJ mouth breather complains about illegals in the ER, ask them if you think the hospital is morally okay with refusing them treatment. Since any given RWNJ is religious, also ask them if Jesus would be okay with that.

They almost always back down. Same thing happens when you force them to a “yes” or “no” on whether women who have abortions, or the doctors who perform them, should be jailed. To a person, they shuffle their feet, look at the ground and say “No, but…”

Which is the same as “Yes” as far as I’m concerned.

78 freetoken  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:18:42pm

re: #44 geoffm33

Lot of people are picking up on the Arnn story, but most writers seem unaware of Hillsdale’s long association with racists.

79 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:19:56pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

This was actually person sharing a post that someone else made, but the person doesn’t usually post stuff like that.

I actaully had to swat down a birther, of all things, on my FB feed a few months back. I called her out on it. Basically, I said if you think Obama is a horrible human being who’s the worst POTUS ever, and wants to kill babies with the ACA, fine. Just knock off the racist “He wasn’t born here” shit. As Americans, we’re supposed to be better than that.

To my utter shock, the woman apologized and said she was bombed when she posted it. However, there’s a little uncomfortable “In vino verities” action going on there. She obviously thinks like that, but it takes getting buzzed for her true nature to come out.

Of course, they want us to come visit them in the fall. Oy…

80 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:20:29pm
81 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:22:34pm

Ian is trying to prove a point that ppl are retweeting stories without clicking the links:

82 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:22:38pm

re: #77 Mattand

You know what’s fun? When a RWNJ mouth breather complains about illegals in the ER, ask them if you think the hospital is morally okay with refusing them treatment. Since any given RWNJ is religious, also ask them if Jesus would be okay with that.

They almost always back down. Same thing happens when you force them to a “yes” or “no” on whether women who have abortions, or the doctors who perform them, should be jailed. To a person, they shuffle their feet, look at the ground and say “No, but…”

Which is the same as “Yes” as far as I’m concerned.

Interestingly, I’d bet you’ll find a lot of wingnuts who think the doctors who perform abortions should be jailed - after all, they commit murder! - but few who would want that for the women seeking them.

I’ve pointed out that we punish the people who hire hired killers, and at that point they usually go silent.

83 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:23:03pm

re: #81 geoffm33

I guess the gag doesn’t work on LGF since the media is displayed inline :)

84 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:23:55pm

re: #66 Kragar

Senate Republicans Block Key Funding Bill On Their Way Home For Summer Recess

The vote was 54 in favor, 43 against, falling short of the 60 votes needed to move forward. The only member to cross party lines was Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), who helped write the bill and urged colleagues not to block it — to no avail.

“It has been an open and transparent debate thus far, a return to regular order, something that I have heard virtually everyone here urge us to do,” she said. “Nevertheless, some senators are intent on preventing this legislation from moving forward, despite the fact that this bill is not the final version of the transportation and housing appropriations bill. It is only one step in the process but an essential step.”

Dear Senator Collins:

By “some senators,” you really mean “everybody else in my nitwit party,” don’t you?

Your humble constituent,

Bong

85 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:25:32pm

re: #82 Mateo Scrounge

Interestingly, I’d bet you’ll find a lot of wingnuts who think the doctors who perform abortions should be jailed - after all, they commit murder! - but few who would want that for the women seeking them.

I’ve pointed out that we punish the people who hire hired killers, and at that point they usually go silent.

I like that one. Must remember to use it.

As far as not wanting the woman punished: I have no evidence, but it wouldn’t be a surprise to find out that attitude might be changing. Conservatives are getting that around the bend, IMO.

86 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:27:45pm

re: #82 Mateo Scrounge

Interestingly, I’d bet you’ll find a lot of wingnuts who think the doctors who perform abortions should be jailed - after all, they commit murder! - but few who would want that for the women seeking them.

I’ve pointed out that we punish the people who hire hired killers, and at that point they usually go silent.

*cough*

Scottie Nell Hughes is the Director of the Tea Party News Network. And as an extreme conservative, she shares the same twisted views of anti-abortion fanatics. During a July 11th appearance on Viewpoint with John Fugelsang on Current TV, Hughes said that rape victims who end resulting pregnancies should be punished in the same manner as their rapists.

87 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:28:32pm

re: #85 Mattand

I like that one. Must remember to use it.

As far as not wanting the woman punished: I have no evidence, but it wouldn’t be a surprise to find out that attitude might be changing. Conservatives are getting that around the bend, IMO.

I suspect a lot of them felt that way a little bit, but were reluctant to state such an extreme position. Now, though, as the GOP tries to rebrand itself as the friend of all those constituencies they keep losing, it seems like these extreme thoughts come oozing out, and gain acceptance.

88 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:28:35pm

re: #78 freetoken

Lot of people are picking up on the Arnn story, but most writers seem unaware of Hillsdale’s long association with racists.

Yep
Hillsdale College at wikipedia:

Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan, United States, is a co-educational liberal arts college known for being the first American college to prohibit in its charter all discrimination based on race, religion, or sex; for its refusal to accept government funding; and for its monthly publication, Imprimis, with a circulation of over 2.6 million. National Review has described Hillsdale as a “citadel of American conservatism.”

Most of the curriculum is based on and centered around the teachings of the Western heritage as a product of both the Greco-Roman culture and the Judeo-Christian religion. These, in turn, encompass their view of the principles of the American Founding and the college’s academic emphasis on such, especially in relation to its own founding. Hillsdale is among the few non-military colleges in the United States that require every student, regardless of major, to study the U.S. Constitution as a core requirement. Additionally, prominent conservative theorist Russell Kirk had a substantial career there and allowed Hillsdale to inherit many of his original writings. The college houses and displays the personal library of Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises as well. Hillsdale College has been featured as a conservative institution by Young Americans for Freedom and the Heritage Foundation.

Reflecting the evolution, or devolution, of the GOP itself, Hillsdale was founded by Free Will Baptists and was long a bastion of respect for civil rights and non-discrimination:

Shortly after its founding, Hillsdale, as a part of the anti-slavery Freewill Baptist denomination, emerged as an early agitator for the abolition of slavery and for the education of black students. Black students were admitted immediately after the college’s 1844 founding, and the College became the second school in the nation to grant four-year liberal arts degrees to women.
…..Hillsdale’s non-discrimination policy remained controversial throughout its history. For example, Hillsdale’s football team refused to play in the 1956 Tangerine Bowl in Florida when the governing committee of the Bowl would not allow the team’s black players to join the white players on the field; the committee then selected Juniata College instead.

By the late 1970s, though, Hillsdale was refusing federal funding rather than comply with federal affirmative action guidelines. Today, it is a leading advertiser on the Mark Levin Show.

89 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:30:15pm
90 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:32:01pm
91 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:32:23pm
They asked if they could search the house, though it turned out to be just a cursory search. They walked around the living room, studied the books on the shelf (nope, no bomb making books, no Anarchist Cookbook), looked at all our pictures, glanced into our bedroom, pet our dogs. They asked if they could go in my son’s bedroom but when my husband said my son was sleeping in there, they let it be.

Buuuulllllllll sheeeeiitttt

I’m severely skeptical that 6 guys would show up and ask to “search the house” without a warrant. If it’s important enough to have six guys on hand, it’s important enough to have secured a warrant ahead of time. They would have to expect the resident might say no, in which case six guys are shit out of luck and made a trip for nothing. But that’s probably because I’m sleeping sheeple, etc.

92 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:33:37pm

Sick burn.

93 Lidane  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:34:20pm

re: #86 Interesting Times

*cough*

So she wants rape victims who abort to be punished the same way that rapists are? That would mean no punishment at all, since most rapists are never brought up on charges and never see the inside of a jail cell.

Guess she didn’t think that through.

94 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:35:33pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

He didn’t just nail that out of the park, he nailed into the next county.

95 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:37:06pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Here’s another Hausman photo of Dali, with the perfect timing, and a couple other takes that didn’t get the timing right.

How the Atomicus photo was taken.

96 simoom  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:38:49pm

re: #27 gunnison

The piece describes the searchers as not even opening the door of their 20 year-old son’s bedroom (because he was asleep inside at the time)

Actually, that seems to support the likelihood that their search history had nothing to do with the interview, as Michele strongly implies her son researched bomb making instructions, and the law enforcement weren’t interested enough in her son to even wake him up:

If you are my exceedingly curious, news junkie 20-year-old son, you click a lot of links when you read the myriad of stories. You might just read a CNN piece about how bomb making instructions are readily available on the internet and you will in all probability, if you are that kid, click the link provided.

I kind of doubt a CNN article helpfully provided that link but I guess that’s just what her son told her.

Also, if they actually had any fore knowledge that gave even the slightest hint her son could be making explosives, it’s hard to believe this is what would have arrived at her doorstep:

Six gentleman in casual clothes emerged from the vehicles and spread out as they walked toward the house, two toward the backyard on one side, two on the other side, two toward the front door.

A million things went through my husband’s head. None of which were right. He walked outside and the men greeted him by flashing badges.

97 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:39:52pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel

By now, I pretty much view any mention of “Judeo-Christian” as diagnostic of wingnutttery.

98 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:40:50pm

MOSCOW (Reuters) - American fugitive Edward Snowden was offered a job by Russia’s top social networking site on Thursday, hours after the former intelligence contractor received a year-long asylum in Russia.

firstpost.com

Maybe everyone will close their accounts.

99 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:40:57pm

re: #91 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Buuuulllllllll sheeeeiitttt

I’m severely skeptical that 6 guys would show up and ask to “search the house” without a warrant. If it’s important enough to have six guys on hand, it’s important enough to have secured a warrant ahead of time. They would have to expect the resident might say no, in which case six guys are shit out of luck and made a trip for nothing. But that’s probably because I’m sleeping sheeple, etc.

‘Important enough’ isn’t necessarily the criterion. If they don’t have sufficient whatever-it-is to get a warrant, chances are good they can look around a bit without one. I suspect they mainly wanted to meet people and get a sense of things in person, without necessarily even suspecting something specific enough to get a warrant.

My guess is this has something more to do with her husband than she wants to be public about.

100 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:42:15pm

re: #35 ProTARDISLiberal

I hadn’t heard of it.

Yes, I know I am crazy already in a multitude of ways. But at the same time, I would like to think I am somewhat sane on music.

Tastes differ. It is unreasonable to apply a standard of rational/irrational to musical taste.

101 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:43:16pm

re: #98 Justanotherhuman

MOSCOW (Reuters) - American fugitive Edward Snowden was offered a job by Russia’s top social networking site on Thursday, hours after the former intelligence contractor received a year-long asylum in Russia.

firstpost.com

Maybe everyone will close their accounts.

kissfmlive.com

A scandal is brewing after Russia’s largest social network Vkontakte refused to introduce special symbols for users in same-sex relationships, a step already taken by the site’s closest competitor, Facebook.

In protest at the move, activists are urging the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) community to pressure the Russian site until it rethinks its decision, Izvestia reported Thursday, citing a case in which Vkontakte administrators advised one user to “have a sex change.”

Vkontakte’s move to deny LGBT users tailored relationship statuses follows legislation passed in St. Petersburg, where Vkontakte is based, and several other large cities banning so-called “homosexual propaganda” to minors.

Rainbow Association leader Obolensky said that many Russian gays had deleted their Vkontakte accounts and moved to Facebook after the U.S. site enabled users to indicate nontraditional sexual orientations on their homepages. According to Izvestia, LGBT users make up between 4 and 5 percent of Vkontakte’s total user base.

In response to questions from journalists, a Vkontakte spokesman said the site had no intention of changing its policy.

102 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:44:04pm

re: #100 EPR-radar

Tastes differ. It is unreasonable to apply a standard of rational/irrational to musical taste.

Except for liking Ted Nugent’s music. That’s just crazy.
//

103 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:45:08pm

re: #99 wrenchwench

Well, the thing is, you don’t usually send 6 guys if you don’t have a good reason to be doing so. If it was just a casual poking around, you send a couple of plainclothes from the local PD. Or at least, that’s what my TV-programmed brain would tell me.

104 kirkspencer  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:46:02pm

re: #91 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Buuuulllllllll sheeeeiitttt

I’m severely skeptical that 6 guys would show up and ask to “search the house” without a warrant. If it’s important enough to have six guys on hand, it’s important enough to have secured a warrant ahead of time. They would have to expect the resident might say no, in which case six guys are shit out of luck and made a trip for nothing. But that’s probably because I’m sleeping sheeple, etc.

As near as I can tell from the story it’s not a case of no warrant, it’s a case of nobody asking for a warrant. That said, I’ve seen cases where multiple officers visit a house without a warrant and ask, nicely, if they can search. If the resident refuses the officers continue to observe and the ones asking hope they see something that justifies a warrant.

How much it takes when the magic words “terrorism” or “drugs” get included depends on the specific justice, and I’m sorry to tell you that for some justices it’s darn near magic. I’m also unhappy that even for the good ones it doesn’t take much - yelling, running around, dogs barking, etc. - for exigent circumstances to come into play.

105 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:47:35pm

re: #100 EPR-radar

True, but to hold Maroon 5 as the pinnacle of rock is….questionable.

I know Duran Duran isn’t either, but they certainly are in a higher weight class.

Maroon 5 is this.
Duran Duran is this.

106 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:48:39pm

re: #103 thedopefishlives

Well, the thing is, you don’t usually send 6 guys if you don’t have a good reason to be doing so. If it was just a casual poking around, you send a couple of plainclothes from the local PD. Or at least, that’s what my TV-programmed brain would tell me.

It could be a ‘good’ reason and still be a reason that would not convince a judge to issue a warrant. And we don’t know that it wasn’t ‘a couple of plainclothes from the local PD’ (times three). They were plainclothes, unless they issue casual uniforms now.

107 kirkspencer  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:49:46pm

re: #103 thedopefishlives

Well, the thing is, you don’t usually send 6 guys if you don’t have a good reason to be doing so. If it was just a casual poking around, you send a couple of plainclothes from the local PD. Or at least, that’s what my TV-programmed brain would tell me.

As I just replied, “it depends” and we don’t know enough. I have seen cases of multiple vehicles and officers making what amounts to a fishing visit. The usual situation is that in most cases you’d normally send one team but if it turns out to be legit they’re going to want or need backup yesterday.

108 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:52:15pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

re: #107 kirkspencer

All of which is fairly taken. I don’t fancy myself an expert in police matters.

109 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:55:12pm
110 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 1:56:34pm

Could this perhaps be some weird variant of SWATing? Some angry or just mischevious fool dropped a dime on these people, then the search was looked at?

re: #106 wrenchwench

FISA-Get a warrant after the search.

111 cinesimon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:00:49pm

If he had laughed in their face, I’m betting he’d have been arrested for ‘Obstruction of Justice’, the infamous law abused by police with little dicks - and, of course, the law that successfully launched the criminal careers of thousands of people who happen to have been blessed with more skin pigment than we rather insecure pink-skins.

112 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:02:01pm
113 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:03:18pm

Imagine if Romney was president right now and the S&P closed above 1,700 for first time and the Dow finished at an all-time closing high. The GOP would be spiking the football, declaring August 1st ‘Mitt Romney day’, and would claim he’s the greatest President ever.

114 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:04:15pm

Hm. Just read the additional info at the top.

Was someone smoking a joint on the patio? If this was local LE, it could be an aggrieved neighbor or someone with an agenda trying to get them in trouble of some sort.

115 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:07:01pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Just popped up on my FB…

Complete bullshit.

116 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:12:36pm

re: #100 EPR-radar

One needs to respect differences in others in order to find interesting people in this world. There is no right/wrong when it comes to music or art, we like what we like. The more we’re exposed to, the more our tastes will diversify. It’s like saying if someone’s favorite color is green and yours is blue that the person who likes green is weird or wrong.

Though I will never get Justin Bieber or his fans,lol.

117 cinesimon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:13:05pm

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

Sorry are suggesting that’s why the terrorism task force arrived?

118 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:13:20pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Just popped up on my FB…

I just Googled this.

Now look at the 3rd result that comes up, the PDF.

Not linking to it.

119 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:16:15pm

So. Jumpy neighbor?

120 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:16:39pm

re: #118 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

I just Googled this.

Now look at the 3rd result that comes up, the PDF.

Not linking to it.

Been going around since 2009, with the help of the worst racists in the country.

121 simoom  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:18:03pm

I just had an opportunity to skim Wikileak’s statement on Snowden, and it sounds like they’ve been giving him a lot of support:

wikileaks.org

Today, Thursday 1st August at 15:50 MSK, Edward Snowden was granted temporary asylum in Russia. He left Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow with WikiLeaks staffer and legal advisor Sarah Harrison who has accompanied him during his 39 day stay in the transit zone and continues to do so. Ms Harrison has remained with Mr Snowden at all times to protect his safety and security, including during his exit from Hong Kong. They departed from the airport together in a taxi and are headed to a secure, confidential place.

WikiLeaks, whilst being a publishing organisation, also fights for the rights and protections of journalistic sources, and so has taken a leading role in assisting Mr Snowden secure his safety.

Mr Snowden and Ms Harrison have been staying in the airport for almost six weeks, having landed on an Aeroflot flight from Hong Kong on the 23rd June.

From within the transit zone of the airport, Mr Snowden and Ms Harrison spent a number of weeks prior to his Russian application assessing the options available to him to ensure his future safety.

Now if that’s true, and since Greenwalds’ and Poitras’ org Press Freedom Foundation funds Wikileaks, that would seem to have them indirectly financing their own source (Snowden)…

122 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:23:07pm

stupid asshole still tweeting this lame revisionist shit: (I think these 2 Twitter feeds are sockpuppets, the only talk to each other)

123 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:27:20pm

re: #70 Mateo Scrounge

Here’s an HHS page on the eligibility of aliens to receive federal benefits:

Hint - it’s not just undocumented aliens who are ineligible, but also large numbers of legal immigrants.

Nothing, but nothing, will send RWNJs into a frothing rage like pointing out that “ill-eagles” are not eligible for most federal benefits, especially including food stamps. It is like this fact overturns their whole worldview. Every bigot has a horror story about being in line behind a couple of illegals (invariably described as grossly fat) who are buying mountains of steak, lobster, and other luxury foods with food stamps, while the poor bigot must work hard for his ground chuck. I’ve never seen this personally, but I have seen impoverished minimum wage workers buying food for themselves and several kids (which would take a mountain of grub, rich or poor) and using WIC cards to pay for it. I don’t mind footing the bill for it: I don’t know which of these poor kids might grow up to cure Alzheimer’s or invent faster than light travel, something that won’t happen if their brains are stunted by hunger when they’re little.
Again, cheap labor is subsidized by the taxpayers, if you’re a soul-dead money-grubber, you don’t have to pay a living wage because the government will take up the slack for you.

124 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:28:54pm

re: #121 simoom

Lots of journalists pay their sources…don’t they?

125 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:30:08pm

Here’s the thing about Snowden. This week’s NSA “Bombshell” from Greenwald was explained away by his lawyer as “leaked before promising Putin not to leak anymore”…well, as Greenwald has said he has a copy of everything Snowden stole, Snowden has no say in what gets leaked from this point forward. Greenwald is the source.

126 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:30:55pm
127 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:31:03pm

re: #123 Shiplord Kirel

Again, cheap labor is subsidized by the taxpayers, if you’re a soul-dead money-grubber, you don’t have to pay a living wage because the government will take up the slack for you.

Except Walmart doesn’t hire illegals, they are proud that they hire returning veterans!

128 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:31:17pm

Pretty sure a lot of people were Googling pressure cookers including the bomb word around that time.

129 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:33:03pm

re: #122 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

He kinda overlooks that the other half of black Senators are Democrats. One is a woman, another got himself elected President. The only recent black Senator that’s a Republican is Sen Scott from SC. But hey, just keep running that yap dude.

They really have a lot of difficulty understanding transitions of any sort don’t they? Lots of things change with time, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. And let’s just say the whole Dixiecrat migration to the GOP hadn’t happened. What party do you think this genius would belong to now? I have a pretty good guess….

130 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:33:35pm

To continue my food stamp rant: People abuse the system, poor enforcement and human nature make that inevitable. This is not a reason to abolish the benefit, it is a reason to find the cheats and throw them in jail.
At the same time, feeding poor kids is not fuzzy headed Kumbaya noblese-oblige or white guilt or a bribe to buy votes, it is a solid dollars and cents investment in the future. RWNJs reject this because they know in their heart of hearts that only children from “good” prosperous Christian families have a real chance of being real producers in the future. This defies a raft of examples to the contrary, myself included, but facts and unbiased observation are not their strong suit.

131 Balfour Rage  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:36:44pm

Whoa! Is this is a possible “open the hangar” moment?

132 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:37:49pm

re: #129 A Mom Anon

He kinda overlooks that the other half of black Senators are Democrats. One is a woman, another got himself elected President. The only recent black Senator that’s a Republican is Sen Scott from SC. But hey, just keep running that yap dude.

They really have a lot of difficulty understanding transitions of any sort don’t they? Lots of things change with time, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. And let’s just say the whole Dixiecrat migration to the GOP hadn’t happened. What party do you think this genius would belong to now? I have a pretty good guess….

I tried to argue with this pair of assholes a couple of days ago. It was so frustrating because they kept doubling down on Teh Derp. The gist of it was:

CWA: MLK was NOT a Republican (link to MLK letter at Stanford)

CHUMP & PEARL: ALL LIBRUL SOURCES R LIEZ!!11!!

133 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:38:34pm

re: #131 Kid A

Whoa! Is this is a possible “open the hangar” moment?

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Not in the least. He’s been saying we need to get out of Afghanistan for years on the basis of we’re not forcing them to convert to Christianity.

134 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:39:20pm

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel

Shorter story: Anyone who bitches about food stamps is a selfish twit with no concept of how much of a teeny, teeeeeny tiny portion of the national budget is taken up by food stamps and public assistance in general. It’s something like 4 million people totaling around 1 percent of the total budget. And that money actually creates economic activity on the local level. Gah. I hate Teh Stoopid. Also too, to “collect a welfare check” someone has to be working, and can only collect that money for a total of less than 5 yrs of their ENTIRE adult life. Don’t work? No check. Not from welfare at least.

Edit: the number isn’t 4 million on Food Stamps(SNAP), it’s a little over 47 million, a bit over 23 million households. The average benefit per month for an individual is about 133 dollars, for a household it’s 275 dollars. That’s between about 1600 to 3300 dollars a YEAR for food. Holy shit are people assholes to deny people that when they’re hungry.

135 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:46:20pm

re: #134 A Mom Anon

Shorter story: Anyone who bitches about food stamps is a selfish twit with no concept of how much of a teeny, teeeeeny tiny portion of the national budget is taken up by food stamps and public assistance in general. It’s something like 4 million people totaling around 1 percent of the total budget. And that money actually creates economic activity on the local level. Gah. I hate Teh Stoopid. Also too, to “collect a welfare check” someone has to be working, and can only collect that money for a total of less than 5 yrs of their ENTIRE adult life. Don’t work? No check. Not from welfare at least.

Yep. They’re still stuck in the 80’s Welfare Queens mindset.

136 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:47:19pm

re: #135 OhNoZombies!

Yep. They’re still stuck in the 80’s Welfare Queens mindset.

Ronald Reagan was a truly evil SOB.

137 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:47:52pm

Could someone tell me exactly what the fuck this means?

“”We would like to thank the Russian people and all those others who have helped to protect Mr. Snowden,” WikiLeaks said. “We have won the battle — now the war.”

usatoday.com

I just know that it incensed me. Who the hell are these people? Totally naive, anarchistic assholes without a clue about how the world works? They think this is some kind of childish “war”?

138 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:48:09pm
139 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:48:13pm

Exclusive: Dozens of CIA operatives on the ground during Benghazi attack

CNN has uncovered exclusive new information about what is allegedly happening at the CIA, in the wake of the deadly Benghazi terror attack.

Four Americans, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens, were killed in the assault by armed militants last September 11 in eastern Libya.

Sources now tell CNN dozens of people working for the CIA were on the ground that night, and that the agency is going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing, remains a secret.

CNN has learned the CIA is involved in what one source calls an unprecedented attempt to keep the spy agency’s Benghazi secrets from ever leaking out.

Since January, some CIA operatives involved in the agency’s missions in Libya, have been subjected to frequent, even monthly polygraph examinations, according to a source with deep inside knowledge of the agency’s workings.

The goal of the questioning, according to sources, is to find out if anyone is talking to the media or Congress.

It is being described as pure intimidation, with the threat that any unauthorized CIA employee who leaks information could face the end of his or her career…

Sounds like some rather charged rhetoric from CNN.

140 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:49:13pm

re: #139 Gus

Ratings rabbits run run run.

141 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:49:42pm

re: #127 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

A while back I was chatting with a Walmart greeter, a man in his 60s. He had a USAF unit cap and I asked him about it. He explained that he had been in the AF in the early 70s and had been at a base in Thailand that was right on the Mekong River and from which the Air Commandos took off to hit road traffic and cover rescue missions in Laos and points north. I had not mentioned my own service to that point, and he had not named the base, but I said, “That has to be Nakhon Phanom, ‘naked fanny,’ been there many times.”
To my amazement, he hugged me and said, ” Welcome home, brother! Nobody else would know that!” A well-informed historian would know, of course, but there are a lot more veterans than historians. A long and detailed reminiscence followed until he noticed the manager giving us the evil eye and said he had to go back to work.
Don’t know what else to say. Turns out he was an ordnance tech, a bomb loader, which is heroic service at a forward base in my book. Working the door at Walmart is honest work, and I would not belittle it, but it is not what he deserves at this stage in his life.

142 simoom  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:50:04pm

re: #126 darthstar

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Don’t forget Poitras. Her name was on the byline of the initial Guardian & WaPo articles, but then it was just her name and not Greenwald’s leading the byline on multiple SPIEGEL exposes, so she seems to have a copy of the document cache too and is doling it out about the globe.

143 gwangung  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:50:11pm

re: #129 A Mom Anon

He kinda overlooks that the other half of black Senators are Democrats. One is a woman, another got himself elected President. The only recent black Senator that’s a Republican is Sen Scott from SC. But hey, just keep running that yap dude.

They really have a lot of difficulty understanding transitions of any sort don’t they? Lots of things change with time, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. And let’s just say the whole Dixiecrat migration to the GOP hadn’t happened. What party do you think this genius would belong to now? I have a pretty good guess….

I lived through the Civil Rights era.

They must think I’m STUPID to believe in their argument.

I’m not stupid.

144 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:51:15pm

re: #100 EPR-radar

Sorry, needed to vent on that.

145 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:52:21pm

re: #140 Political Atheist

Ratings rabbits run run run.

Here I thought keeping CIA operatives undercover was SOP.

146 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:53:47pm

re: #132 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

I tried to argue with this pair of assholes a couple of days ago. It was so frustrating because they kept doubling down on Teh Derp. The gist of it was:

CWA: MLK was NOT a Republican (link to MLK letter at Stanford)

CHUMP & PEARL: ALL LIBRUL SOURCES R LIEZ!!11!!

And since MLK himself was a Liberal, you can’t trust it when he says he only voted for the Democratic ticket.

147 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:55:14pm

Your Daily Derp from Inez the Derpette:

148 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:56:02pm

I somehow got here on Youtube.

Youtube Video

Relaxing.

149 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:56:15pm

re: #145 Gus

Here I thought keeping CIA operatives undercover was SOP.

US Rep. Frank Wolf apparently believes that what the CIA wants to keep secret is not what they were doing in Benghazi, but what Obama didn’t do in Benghazi.

The rest of the article is, ‘Anonymous insiders told us that they can’t tell us anything!!!’

150 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:57:08pm

re: #139 Gus

Exclusive: Dozens of CIA operatives on the ground during Benghazi attack

Sounds like some rather charged rhetoric from CNN.

AND EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM WAS JUST LIKE CLANCY’S JOHN CLARK, SO THEY’D HAVE STOPPED THE JIHADIS IF OBAMA HADN’T TOLD THEM TO STAND DOWN!!!!11!!1!

151 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:57:16pm

re: #147 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Your Daily Derp from Inez the Derpette:

What… What does that even MEAN?

152 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:57:59pm

re: #147 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Your Daily Derp from Inez the Derpette:

If libs think conservatives are so outdated,stupid & ignorant, how come they care SO much about our disapproval of their life choices?

Because you try to write them into law, you fucking moron.

153 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:58:10pm

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel

More info:
Nahkon Phanom during the secret war, 1962-1975
Fantastic pics of Skyraiders and A-26s on the ramp at NK.

154 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 2:58:47pm

Also, there are just under 115 million households in the US right now. I’m not sure if that number includes single people though, it could be a higher number if they are included. This of course doesn’t include the homeless either. So, let’s just say there’s 116 million households and 26 million of those households use the SNAP program to help keep hunger at bay. So freaking WHAT? It’s 74 billion dollars, that once again, goes into the pockets of grocery retailers, so it creates economic activity. No one’s getting rich off of getting food stamps, the main people really benefiting are the grocery stores.

155 Balfour Rage  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:01:22pm

re: #154 A Mom Anon

THAT’S 74 BILLION DOLLARS TOO MANY!!!11TY!!!

156 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:01:33pm

re: #154 A Mom Anon

Also, there are just under 115 million households in the US right now. I’m not sure if that number includes single people though, it could be a higher number if they are included. This of course doesn’t include the homeless either. So, let’s just say there’s 116 million households and 26 million of those households use the SNAP program to help keep hunger at bay. So freaking WHAT? It’s 74 billion dollars, that once again, goes into the pockets of grocery retailers, so it creates economic activity. No one’s getting rich off of getting food stamps, the main people really benefiting are the grocery stores.

Don’t you know that it’s impossible for any form of government spending to have any positive influence on the economy at all? Government spending always hurts the economy, except Defense spending, which doesn’t stimulate the economy if you do it, but it hurts the economy if you don’t.
//

157 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:03:23pm

Now it seems that the visit was due to a facebook image that Catalano posted of powerful fireworks:

A Long Island woman named Michele Catalano posts photos of M-66 explosives (that look to me like extra-large firecrackers) publicly on Facebook. A few weeks later the local cops show up and ask her husband if they have any bomb-making equipment.

While the visit seems like a ridiculous overreaction there’s no real reason to believe that the NSA was involved at all, or shared any of Catalano’s Google searches with other agencies. In the post Boston Marathon bombing social media environment it’s much more plausible that some humorless douche saw the facebook picture and that triggered a complaint which the police felt had to be investigated if nothing else out of pure CYA considerations.

158 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:06:26pm
159 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:08:27pm

re: #154 A Mom Anon

The end of these programs, a cherished goal of the right’s base, would be a disaster for the retail food industry. Not only would the poor be reduced to buying only rice and beans, when it got bad enough hungry mobs would simply storm the place and loot the inventory entirely. People will do all sorts of things they normally wouldn’t if the alternative is to watch their children starve.
It can happen here, it hasn’t because we have not let it happen. That could change if the RWNJs have their way. FDR didn’t create the New Deal out of fuzzy headed altruism, he did it to head off the very real possibility of a revolution.

160 simoom  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:09:10pm

re: #139 Gus

Sounds like some rather charged rhetoric from CNN.

The sources sound like House Republican staffers leaking to the media again to drum up interest in yet another bite at the apple. The number of CIA at the annex, the number wounded, etc, likely comes from a closed briefing. You’ll also note the one Republican Congressman, Rep. Frank Wolf, interviewed on the record makes it clear he’s not after a classified briefing on CIA activities but instead a public bit of theater:

“I think it is a form of a cover-up, and I think it’s an attempt to push it under the rug, and I think the American people are feeling the same way,” said the Republican.

“We should have the people who were on the scene come in, testify under oath, do it publicly, and lay it out. And there really isn’t any national security issue involved with regards to that,” he said.

161 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:11:31pm

re: #154 A Mom Anon

Also, there are just under 115 million households in the US right now. I’m not sure if that number includes single people though, it could be a higher number if they are included. This of course doesn’t include the homeless either. So, let’s just say there’s 116 million households and 26 million of those households use the SNAP program to help keep hunger at bay. So freaking WHAT? It’s 74 billion dollars, that once again, goes into the pockets of grocery retailers, so it creates economic activity. No one’s getting rich off of getting food stamps, the main people really benefiting are the grocery stores.

Not just grocery stores (whose margins are pretty thin) but the entire food-producing industry. It used to be an agriculture subsidy, but farmers are a smaller and smaller part of the equation. General Mills is probably the biggest beneficiary.

162 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:11:58pm

Oh, fer chrissakes, GG:

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 3h

Trust the Government to spot The Terrorists and monitor the internet theguardian.com

163 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:12:52pm

re: #160 simoom

The sources sound like House Republican staffers leaking to the media again to drum up interest in yet another bite at the apple. You’ll also note the one Republican Congressman, Rep. Frank Wolf, interviewed on the record makes it clear he’s not after a classified briefing on CIA activities but instead on a public bit of theater:

Hmm, seems to be some kind of Groundswell of interest….

165 Lidane  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:15:36pm

VICTORY IS MINE!

My massive proposal that has had me sleep deprived and exhausted these past two weeks is done and submitted. I don’t know what happens next, but at least I finished.

And I’m taking tomorrow off with the approval of my boss. Later on, folks. I’m getting the hell out of this office, going and getting a drink to celebrate, then I’m going home and going to bed.

166 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:16:57pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

Most Think NSA Is Violating Privacy Rights but Want Snowden Charged With a Crime

I think it’s hilarious that we’re so damned schizoid about privacy rights.

We don’t want people “snooping” but then we go right on and post our genitals on Farcebook.

167 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:17:54pm

re: #147 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Your Daily Derp from Inez the Derpette:

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Because Conservatives keeping trying to make people’s life choices illegal.

168 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:18:04pm

re: #165 Lidane

Sweet dreams!

169 Shvaughn  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:19:18pm

This whole google-pressure-cooker thing smells of bullshit to me.

170 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:19:40pm

No really, apparently some guys need it in words of one syllable or less.

A lawyer for San Diego Mayor Bob Filner criticized the city for not providing sexual harassment training to the mayor, saying its failure to do so violated the law.

In a letter to the city attorney, Harvey Berger wrote that Filner might never have been sued for sexual harassment had he been properly trained.

I would tell my client where the door was before sending a letter like that.

171 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:22:57pm

re: #158 NJDhockeyfan

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Snowden TV Show?

Fine but remember Putin’s words:

[he] must stop his work aimed at harming our American partners

Not quite sure what his show would be about with that hanging over his head.

172 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:23:02pm

re: #159 Shiplord Kirel

Exactly. But they don’t care if there’s a revolution, they want it. It would give them the excuses they’re looking for to start eliminating all “the others” that they hate so much. If the ability to see ahead and look forward to possible consequences of their wants and actions were a wingnut strong suit, we wouldn’t have such an uphill battle to keep this country from tipping over to the dark side.

173 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:25:12pm

Well, its sent off for peer review. My outline for a sci-fi/fantasy version of Arthurian mythology set in the modern world is now in the hands of the production team to see what they make of it.

I’m going to the store now. BBIAB.

174 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:28:14pm

re: #170 klys

I heard today that Filner himself got rid of the sexual harassment seminars/classes in the mayor’s office not long after he got there. This was on talk radio so I don’t know if it’s correct or not, it was a caller on the Stephanie Miller show that mentioned it.

175 Balfour Rage  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:29:17pm
176 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:31:26pm

Well, I watched a half-hour of Bob Ross painting thingys on YouTube.

I am calm and content.

177 Balfour Rage  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:31:32pm

DERPTY DERP…

178 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:32:33pm

NY Writer Says She Was Visited by a

people who show up flashing badges and asking to search your house need to be stopped at the door and asked for search warrants

if they present one, you can keep them outside and double check on the validity of the paper by calling the police department and the issuing judge

if you just let people in because they flash some kinda badge, you’re gonna make it much easier for criminals to talk their way into your house

179 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:34:40pm

re: #177 Balfour Rage

DERPTY DERP…

Homosexuals 3% of population, commit 33% of sex crimes against children.

official statistics from the federal department of pulling numbers outta my ass

180 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:34:50pm

re: #176 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, I watched a half-hour of Bob Ross painting thingys on YouTube.

I am calm and content.

Any happy little trees?

181 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:36:43pm

re: #177 Balfour Rage

DERPTY DERP…

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Come out already, Bryan. Shame to let that cuddly white hair go to waste.

182 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:37:28pm
183 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:37:54pm

re: #182 Gus

Proving once again, you just can’t make this stuff up.

184 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:39:14pm

re: #179 engineer cat

official statistics from the federal department of pulling numbers outta my ass

Leaving aside the percentages, this is the usual conflation of homosexuals - i.e. people sexually attracted to sexually mature persons of the same gender - with pedophiles who prey on prepubescent children of the same gender. The latter often are heterosexual, and indeed are revolted by the idea of sex with an adult of their own gender.

185 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:39:36pm

re: #176 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, I watched a half-hour of Bob Ross painting thingys on YouTube.

I am calm and content.

Heh. Bob Ross was the Quaalude of TV when I was a kid. Seriously, I watched his show when I was younger. I can’t paint, but it was a cool show.

186 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:39:53pm

re: #180 Mateo Scrounge

A lot of them.

re: #182 Gus

This is getting sad. Like they want the end of the world.

187 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:40:26pm

re: #182 Gus

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Because they’d rather we all die in a fiery asteroid collision than agree with Obama.

188 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:40:28pm

re: #178 engineer cat

Actually, you can shut the door in their face unless they show an actual warrant for an enter and search, although it’s better to be polite, and they have no right to question you, either, without an atty present. It’s amazing that people don’t know their rights when the cops come a-knocking and don’t question them.

If those guys didn’t have a warrant, why did he let them into the house?

189 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:43:01pm

re: #176 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, I watched a half-hour of Bob Ross painting thingys on YouTube.

I am calm and content.

Bob Ross paints a classic

190 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:43:39pm

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

Actually, you can shut the door in their face unless they show an actual warrant for an enter and search, although it’s better to be polite, and they have no right to question you, either, without an atty present. It’s amazing that people don’t know their rights when the cops come a-knocking and don’t question them.

If those guys didn’t have a warrant, why did he let them into the house?

Maybe because he had no reason not to, and didn’t feel the need to be confrontational. Having rights doesn’t mean you have to exercise them, but they’re there in case you need them.

191 Ming  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:43:45pm

re: #9 Internet Tough Guy

Beck’s many personalities.

Or maybe he was using the “royal we”.

192 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:44:53pm

Pray the gay drought asteroid away.

193 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:45:31pm

re: #186 ProTARDISLiberal

What makes this even more stupid is that, not even 6 months ago, Mother Nature gave us a show over Chelyabinsk in Russia. A damage and injury inducing one.

194 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:46:44pm

re: #176 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, I watched a half-hour of Bob Ross painting thingys on YouTube.

I am calm and content.

Bob Ross Was a Sergeant in the Air Force

As it turns out, there was a very good reason he was so mellow: He spent 20 years screaming his lungs out, as a first sergeant for the United States Air Force … and hated it. He was said to be “the guy who makes you scrub the latrine, the guy who makes you make your bed, the guy who screams at you for being late to work.” That’s right. The sweetest, kindest, most lovable character on TV this side of Mister Rogers spent half his life cosplaying as Sgt. Slaughter.

No photos exist of Sgt. Ross back in those days, and the man 100 percent liked it that way. He had said that the reason he ultimately told the military to go screw off was because he was forced to be “a mean, tough person. And I was fed up with it. I promised myself that if I ever got away from it, it wasn’t going to be that way anymore.”

Fortunately for him, Ross spent much of his non-screaming time speed-painting the Alaskan wilderness around him. Soon, he became really good (and fast) at it and found that he could make more money selling his paintings than yelling at cadets for not having their boots properly spit-shined. He promptly quit the military, vowed to never scream again, and focused solely on breezy paintings and baby animals.

195 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:48:24pm

re: #193 ProTARDISLiberal

What makes this even more stupid is that, not even 6 months ago, Mother Nature gave us a show over Chelyabinsk in Russia. A damage and injury inducing one.

Chelyabinsk dodged a bullet on that one, no joke. Had that airburst closer to the ground - say 2 miles up instead of 14 - or God forbid, a direct hit, I can’t even imagine the devastation that would’ve been caused.

196 Ming  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:48:51pm

re: #15 Ah_Yup

… Can they really just scan everything domestically for key words?

A related question: what does “metadata” mean in this context? I used to assume it meant phone numbers. Does it also include key words and phrases? I have no idea.

197 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:51:47pm

Oh damn, the MST3k guys are doing an event where they rip on Starship Troopers.

I am so there.

198 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:53:52pm

I put a mod on my thing of New Vegas for a TARDIS. I just found it.

Traveling around just got easier.

199 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:55:02pm

re: #196 Ming

A related question: what does “metadata” mean in this context? I used to assume it meant phone numbers. Does it also include key words and phrases? I have no idea.

It means numbers called, time of call, duration, cell towers and signal strength (potential for triangulation). It does not include any of the content.

200 Gus  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:55:34pm
201 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:55:44pm

re: #175 Balfour Rage

I’m so scared. ATF ain’t nothin but those strongly worded letters, well look out! ///

202 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:55:47pm
203 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:57:26pm

Charles-Question/feature idea-
Might there be a way for the quote button to grab the embedded tweet in a comment?

204 danarchy  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:58:03pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

It means numbers called, time of call, duration, cell towers and signal strength (potential for triangulation). It does not include any of the content.

For internet traffic, the metadata is going to be stuff like source IP, destination IP, protocol, timestamp, packet sizes etc. Keywords would be actual data, nothing meta about it.

205 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:59:06pm

re: #200 Gus

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206 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 3:59:37pm

re: #202 Kragar

RiffTrax Live: Starship Troopers

One of the most notorious B-movies of the 90s being riffed by the legends. WINNING!

207 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:00:56pm
208 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:01:17pm

re: #206 Targetpractice

One of the most notorious B-movies of the 90s being riffed by the legends. WINNING!

My kids: “But its on a school night.”
Me: “This is MST3k doing Starship Troopers. You can stay up late.”

209 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:02:17pm
210 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:03:04pm

An Update on the “Pressure Cookers” Google Search Story

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

August 1, 2013

As a result of numerous media inquiries, received today by the Suffolk County Police Department regarding an internet blog posting, the following statement has been made available.

Suffolk County Criminal Intelligence Detectives received a tip from a Bay Shore based computer company regarding suspicious computer searches conducted by a recently released employee. The former employee’s computer searches took place on this employee’s workplace computer. On that computer, the employee searched the terms “pressure cooker bombs” and “backpacks.”

After interviewing the company representatives, Suffolk County Police Detectives visited the subject’s home to ask about the suspicious internet searches. The incident was investigated by Suffolk County Police Department’s Criminal Intelligence Detectives and was determined to be non-criminal in nature.

Any further inquiries regarding this matter should be directed to the Suffolk County Police Department

Suffolk County Police Department

Public Information Office

211 erik_t  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:03:23pm

In five million years, when Glen Greenbeck finally accomplishes some work of great journalism, maybe we’ll finally know.

212 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:05:02pm
213 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:05:53pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

An Update on the “Pressure Cookers” Google Search Story

Makes one wonder about the manner of termination of that employment.

214 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:06:57pm

just to be on the safe side, when it gets crazy busy here at work, I think i’ll refrain from telling people it’s a real pressure cooker!

Just sayin’!

215 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:07:13pm

re: #197 Kragar

Oh damn, the MST3k guys are doing an event where they rip on Starship Troopers.

I am so there.

“You apes want to live forever?”

216 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:08:04pm
217 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:08:28pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

Makes one wonder about the manner of termination of that employment.

I believe Michele did something for the county court - maybe a court reporter? I could have that wrong but I think I remember her tweeting something about it a while back. That could explain why she’d have a government computer.

218 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:08:48pm

Glenn Beck Provides A History Lesson To Reza Aslan

Comedy ensues.

in the middle of it all was a fascinating segment where Beck took Aslan to task for supposedly not even understanding the Bible or the Gospels. Seizing on a piece Aslan wrote for the Washington Post in which he stated that “the gospels are not, nor were they ever meant to be, a historical documentation of Jesus’ life. These are not eyewitness accounts of Jesus’ words and deeds,” Beck smugly declared that “this claim is flat out false.”

He then cited the first passage in the Book of Luke, which he apparently believes demonstrably proves Aslan to be wrong:

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

Of course, this passage actually reinforces Aslan’s point, as even the author of Luke is admitting that he has set out to write an account of event “just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses.” Luke is not an eyewitness account, as the very author admits; or as the “Introduction to the Gospel According to Luke” in the current ESV Study Bible put its: “It is known that the author was from the second generation of the early church, was not an ‘eyewitness’ of Jesus’ ministry (Luke 1:2) and was a Gentile.”

219 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:10:56pm
221 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:11:23pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

An Update on the “Pressure Cookers” Google Search Story

Huh. So it was an employer/former employee thing, not the NSA?

As Emily Litella would say, “Oh. That’s very different, then. Nevermind.”

222 blueraven  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:13:13pm

re: #200 Gus

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Drew Griffin reporting really. He is about as bad as John Stossel. Nasty and biased.

223 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:14:34pm

re: #220 Kragar

Tony Perkins: ‘It’d be a lot simpler if we operated on the Ten Commandments’ rather than civil law

Lots of guys would get caught with “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife’s ass.”

224 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:14:38pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

I believe Michele did something for the county court - maybe a court reporter? I could have that wrong but I think I remember her tweeting something about it a while back. That could explain why she’d have a government computer.

Could have been any of the three household members the way it’s written. And it says ‘computer company’, so not a government computer.

225 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:15:11pm

re: #220 Kragar

Tony Perkins: ‘It’d be a lot simpler if we operated on the Ten Commandments’ rather than civil law

I’d be good with a Seventhectomy. That whole ‘thou shalt not commit adultery’ thing has to go.

226 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:15:17pm

re: #159 Shiplord Kirel

The end of these programs, a cherished goal of the right’s base, would be a disaster for the retail food industry. Not only would the poor be reduced to buying only rice and beans, when it got bad enough hungry mobs would simply storm the place and loot the inventory entirely. People will do all sorts of things they normally wouldn’t if the alternative is to watch their children starve.
It can happen here, it hasn’t because we have not let it happen. That could change if the RWNJs have their way. FDR didn’t create the New Deal out of fuzzy headed altruism, he did it to head off the very real possibility of a revolution.

THATZ Y WE NEEDZ TA HAV ARE GUNZZ!!!111!!!! MELON LOBE!!!1111TY

227 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:16:03pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

I don’t think it was a government computer. I think someone at the company did an audit of his web history, maybe to bolster a case for being a shitheel and denying unemployment or something, and found that.

228 Shvaughn  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:18:35pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

An Update on the “Pressure Cookers” Google Search Story

Ha! I knew it smacked of bullshit.

229 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:18:52pm

re: #224 wrenchwench

You’re right, it does say it was an employee of the computer company.

Once again, the private sector is incredibly much more invasive and privacy-destroying. Employers can basically look at absolutely everything you do on a computer while at work.

230 Kragar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:19:41pm
231 Shvaughn  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:19:52pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

Once again, the private sector is incredibly much more invasive and privacy-destroying. Employers can basically look at absolutely everything you do on a computer while at work.

Well, it’s their computer I suppose.

232 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:21:36pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

You’re right, it does say it was an employee of the computer company.

Once again, the private sector is incredibly much more invasive and privacy-destroying. Employers can basically look at absolutely everything you do on a computer while at work.

But that’s okay, because it’s for profit.
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233 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:22:37pm

DERP
I guess she has never heard of William Casey.

234 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:23:49pm

re: #233 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

DERP
I guess she has never heard of William Casey.

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Or dead Nicaraguans. Oh, wait. They’re brown people.

235 Shvaughn  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:24:28pm

The lady whose ex-employer reported her to the police was all “THANKS OBAMA” and stuff like that. Except it wasn’t the feds or Obama or anything like that, but hey, who really cares right? DAMN YOU OBAMA.

236 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:25:58pm

OMFG SHE IS STUPID
I CAN’T EVEN

237 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:27:05pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

An Update on the “Pressure Cookers” Google Search Story

Not really sure I how I feel about this.

If it turns out the guy made all sorts of threats after being let go, that’s one thing.

If he was just looking for cookware and stuff for his kid…

Well, let’s just say I’d be looking for a lawyer right now.

238 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:27:09pm

Sad. I remember when Charles called Iowahawk “some kinda damn genius.” Now he’s some kinda damn fucking retard.

239 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:27:39pm

re: #235 Shvaughn

The lady whose ex-employer reported her to the police was all “THANKS OBAMA” and stuff like that. Except it wasn’t the feds or Obama or anything like that, but hey, who really cares right? DAMN YOU OBAMA.

We don’t know it was not her husband or her son’s ex-employer, and she didn’t mention Obama.

240 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:28:39pm

re: #237 Mattand

Not really sure I how I feel about this.

If it turns out the guy made all sorts of threats after being let go, that’s one thing.

If he was just looking for cookware and stuff for his kid…

Well, let’s just say I’d be looking for a lawyer right now.

He would have zero recourse, if he did those searches from work, on his employers machine. Zero. They can tell the cops, or the entire world, everything he ever searched, and it’s completely legal.

241 bubba zanetti  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:29:26pm

re: #237 Mattand

If he was just looking for cookware and stuff for his kid…

The press release says the person specifically searched for “pressure cooker bombs”.

Though I’m sure a lot of people searched for that out of general curiosity.

242 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:30:44pm

I really don’t think Michele Catalano deliberately distorted this story, by the way. I’ve “known” her (online) for a lot of years and I don’t believe she’d do that. I think it was a simple misunderstanding, exacerbated by all the crazy hype in the air about the NSA.

243 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:30:58pm

re: #233 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

DERP
I guess she has never heard of William Casey.

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Didn’t we use the money from selling arms to Iran to supply aanti-government military force, who probably killed people and blew shit up?

244 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:30:59pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

You’re right, it does say it was an employee of the computer company.

Once again, the private sector is incredibly much more invasive and privacy-destroying. Employers can basically look at absolutely everything you do on a computer while at work.

Thanks for staying on top of this story.

Down the memory hole this will go from the outrage crowd except for the ones who will continue to cite it is Obama overreach.

245 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:32:03pm

re: #240 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He would have zero recourse, if he did those searches from work, on his employers machine. Zero. They can tell the cops, or the entire world, everything he ever searched, and it’s completely legal.

I get what you’re saying, but to sic the county police on him as a potential terrorist?

Either this guy made some serious threats upon termination, or the company is trying to humiliate him. Given some of the people I’ve worked for, the latter is possible.

I just have to wonder how “His searches made us poop ourselves” would hold up in court.

246 Shvaughn  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:32:12pm

re: #239 wrenchwench

We don’t know it was not her husband or her son’s ex-employer, and she didn’t mention Obama.

In her twitter feed, on the day of the visit:

247 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:32:32pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

I really don’t think Michele Catalano deliberately distorted this story, by the way. I’ve “known” her (online) for a lot of years and I don’t believe she’d do that. I think it was a simple misunderstanding, exacerbated by all the crazy hype in the air about the NSA.

Her little “Thanks Obama” tweet didn’t help things any.

248 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:33:11pm

re: #245 Mattand

I don’t know anything about it besides what I’ve seen here, but it does sound like some bad blood was involved.

249 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:33:28pm

re: #243 Mateo Scrounge

Didn’t we use the money from selling arms to Iran to supply aanti-government military force, who probably killed people and blew shit up?

But they were brown people, so Inez doesn’t care.

250 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:33:48pm

re: #246 Shvaughn

In her twitter feed, on the day of the visit:

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OK, thanks. But given the meme status of that phrase, I wouldn’t take it as ‘DAMN YOU OBAMA’.

251 Shvaughn  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:34:00pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

I really don’t think Michele Catalano deliberately distorted this story, by the way. I’ve “known” her (online) for a lot of years and I don’t believe she’d do that. I think it was a simple misunderstanding, exacerbated by all the crazy hype in the air about the NSA.

She definitely spun the story to her advantage, though, and the Atlantic Wire’s use of a bullshit picture alongside it didn’t help any.

252 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:34:05pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

I really don’t think Michele Catalano deliberately distorted this story, by the way. I’ve “known” her (online) for a lot of years and I don’t believe she’d do that. I think it was a simple misunderstanding, exacerbated by all the crazy hype in the air about the NSA.

re: #246 Shvaughn

In her twitter feed, on the day of the visit:

THANKS, OBAMA.

Either she’s being sarcastic, or she’s drifting into Camp Greenwald. I hope it’s the former…

253 blueraven  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:34:25pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

I really don’t think Michele Catalano deliberately distorted this story, by the way. I’ve “known” her (online) for a lot of years and I don’t believe she’d do that. I think it was a simple misunderstanding, exacerbated by all the crazy hype in the air about the NSA.

Maybe it was her husband or son who did the “at work” searches and never bothered to tell her about it. She knew that they had searched pressure cooker at home but maybe they didn’t put all this together.

254 Shvaughn  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:34:58pm

re: #250 wrenchwench

OK, thanks. But given the meme status of that phrase, I wouldn’t take it as ‘DAMN YOU OBAMA’.

*shrug* Obama had nothing to do with it, so why’s she ranting at him?

255 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:35:25pm

re: #254 Shvaughn

*shrug* Obama had nothing to do with it, so why’s she ranting at him?

I don’t think she is.

256 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:35:40pm

re: #246 Shvaughn

In her twitter feed, on the day of the visit:

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Might be nice if, in view of Suffolk County PD’s announcement, she’d issue a correction. That’s what a real writer would do.

257 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:37:00pm

re: #243 Mateo Scrounge

Didn’t we use the money from selling arms to Iran to supply aanti-government military force, who probably killed people and blew shit up?

No one died when we funneled money to the gorillas. What? Guerrillas? Oh fuck it.

258 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:37:09pm

re: #245 Mattand

I get what you’re saying, but to sic the county police on him as a potential terrorist?

They informed the cops of what they found in the search.

Either this guy made some serious threats upon termination, or the company is trying to humiliate him. Given some of the people I’ve worked for, the latter is possible.

Or they’re freaked out in the wake of bombings and just wanted to cover their asses and figured the cops would know what to do. In the end, absolutely no harm came to his guy because of it. There’s no way that ‘siccing’ the cops on someone for something like this when he’s innocent is going to wind up with them arresting him. He didn’t get humiliated.

Meanwhile, probably like a hundred black men in Harlem got stop and frisked today.

259 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:37:13pm

re: #249 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

But they were brown people, so Inez doesn’t care.

That, and she’s a fucking moron.

260 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:37:39pm
261 Shvaughn  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:38:12pm

re: #256 Mateo Scrounge

Might be nice if, in view of Suffolk County PD’s announcement, she’d issue a correction. That’s what a real writer would do.

She went “twitter silent” two hours ago. I wonder if it was about when the PD’s press release went out.

262 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:38:21pm
263 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:38:33pm

re: #252 Mattand

Either she’s being sarcastic, or she’s drifting into Camp Greenwald. I hope it’s the former…

Maybe it’s not a grammatical error and Obama hacked her account.

264 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:39:29pm

Glenn Greenwald playing “I know you are but what am I?”

265 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:39:52pm

re: #261 Shvaughn

She went “twitter silent” two hours ago. I wonder if it was about when the PD’s press release went out.

Hey, not saying anything at all when you turn out to be wrong would be a huge improvement over the Greenwald Standard of insisting this proves that America is the worst tyranny in the history of ever.

266 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:41:33pm

re: #264 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Glenn Greenwald playing “I know you are but what am I?”

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No. Tapper should be put in prison for saying ‘Benghazi’ again.
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267 Shvaughn  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:42:05pm

re: #265 Mateo Scrounge

Hey, not saying anything at all when you turn out to be wrong would be a huge improvement over the Greenwald Standard of insisting this proves that America is the worst tyranny in the history of ever.

Yeah, but “better than Greenwald” is a really low bar…

268 darthstar  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:42:37pm
269 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:43:55pm

re: #267 Shvaughn

Yeah, but “better than Greenwald” is a really low bar…

Not if you ask him!

270 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:44:28pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

I don’t know anything about it besides what I’ve seen here, but it does sound like some bad blood was involved.

Yeah, something went down. I lost a client soon after I admitted at an after work shindig that I was atheist.

There were other issues involves, but it was small, family-run place that trumped up their religion when expedient. It’s possible word got around and that was held against me.

This is the same place where I had a guy who was in the National Guard tell me I was part of what’s wrong with America, since I didn’t believe in God.

271 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:49:59pm

re: #258 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

They informed the cops of what they found in the search.

Or they’re freaked out in the wake of bombings and just wanted to cover their asses and figured the cops would know what to do. In the end, absolutely no harm came to his guy because of it. There’s no way that ‘siccing’ the cops on someone for something like this when he’s innocent is going to wind up with them arresting him. He didn’t get humiliated.

Meanwhile, probably like a hundred black men in Harlem got stop and frisked today.

I understand what you’re saying. My problem is six armed, warrantless cops showed up at his place after they fired him. I think that’s excessive, regardless of what was in his browser history.

Assuming there were no obvious threats made, I don’t understand why one cop couldn’t go out and have a quick chat.

And quite frankly, it speaks to the American mentality of “ZOMG TERRORISTS EVERYWHERE” we’ve indulged in over the last 12 years.

EDIT: I should probably amend “regardless of what was in his browser history” to “given what was in his browser history”. Obviously, if there was something really nasty there, the cops would have to act appropriately.

272 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:53:21pm

This story has a lot of inertia now, a lot of people spreading the false information that the NSA is spying on everyone’s Google searches.

I do hope Michele writes something to clarify this soon.

273 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:53:35pm

re: #271 Mattand

I understand what you’re saying. My problem is six armed, warrantless cops showed up at his place after they fired him. I think that’s excessive, regardless of what was in his browser history.

“Armed” is a tautology with cops in this country. We don’t know if they were warantless or not, they might have had one that they decided not to use.

I think it’s excessive too, but that’s just from an efficiency perspective. He said they were totally polite and left with the impression that they considered this completely checked out and he had nothing to worry about.

Assuming there were no obvious threats made, I don’t understand why one cop couldn’t go out and have a quick chat.

Well, sure, but I really don’t want to micromanage the reactions of every police department. The cops behaved perfectly decently while they were there, and that’s actually nice to see. They didn’t extend the search, they didn’t even wake his son up.

274 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:55:12pm

Great picture. And I forgot how incredibly beautiful Jeri Ryan is.

275 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:55:19pm

re: #273 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

“Armed” is a tautology with cops in this country. We don’t know if they were warantless or not, they might have had one that they decided not to use.

I think it’s excessive too, but that’s just from an efficiency perspective. He said they were totally polite and left with the impression that they considered this completely checked out and he had nothing to worry about.

Well, sure, but I really don’t want to micromanage the reactions of every police department. The cops behaved perfectly decently while they were there, and that’s actually nice to see. They didn’t extend the search, they didn’t even wake his son up.

I know. It’s just that combo of “company” and “police” that makes me antsy.

276 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:57:28pm

re: #274 geoffm33

Great picture. And I forgot how incredibly beautiful Jeri Ryan is.

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“That’s no moon. It’s a space station!”

277 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:57:57pm
278 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:58:10pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson

This story has a lot of inertia now, a lot of people spreading the false information that the NSA is spying on everyone’s Google searches.

I do hope Michele writes something to clarify this soon.

Yep, retractions and updates aren’t getting done in the blogosphere. That would ruin the narrative.

279 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:59:19pm

re: #275 Mattand

I know. It’s just that combo of “company” and “police” that makes me antsy.

Well, I’m not sure what it is you want. Maybe someone at the company was an asshole who wanted to cause this dude whatever stress he could, but I could do that by phoning up an anonymous tip, too, I don’t have to be a company. Cops check shit out, it’s alarming but it’s a necessary thing. We’re never going to get to a place where cops never check out people who have done absolutely nothing wrong.

We can’t prevent corporations from giving info they have to the cops, and we can’t prevent cops from being interested in it. And we shouldn’t, either.

280 bubba zanetti  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:00:42pm

re: #246 Shvaughn

Hmmm, she used to write for PJ Media:

pjmedia.com

281 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:00:51pm

And since my last post sounded crabby and harsh: I have a fucking anvil of a migraine that’s been here for a day. I got it after I got vaccinated. I’m obviously catching the autism.

282 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:00:54pm

re: #279 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s also possible that there really wasn’t any bad blood involved at all - just a routine audit of a former employee’s computer, and somebody got freaked about the search history and reported it.

283 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:02:00pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

It’s also possible that there really wasn’t any bad blood involved at all - just a routine audit of a former employee’s computer, and somebody got freaked about the search history and reported it.

Yeah, absolutely. Liability reasons alone might lead them to do that.

284 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:06:28pm

Imagine an employee leaves, and you find a box that belongs to him in a locker. You take a look to see if it’s just junk, and you find, among coupons and flyers for out-of-business thai noodle houses, there’s a print out of pages titled “How to build a pressure-cooker bomb”.

I’d have to have known that employee really well to not want to involve the cops at that point.

285 b.d.  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:06:36pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

It’s also possible that there really wasn’t any bad blood involved at all - just a routine audit of a former employee’s computer, and somebody got freaked about the search history and reported it.

Yep, just terminated(?) employee was searching on how to make bombs? I’d be looking under all the desks and be a little freaked too.

The word “disgruntled” comes to mind.

286 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:07:38pm

re: #281 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And since my last post sounded crabby and harsh: I have a fucking anvil of a migraine that’s been here for a day. I got it after I got vaccinated. I’m obviously catching the autism.

Open your eyes, sheeple! They injected you with the migraine so that you will seek out Obamacare.

287 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:08:00pm

re: #279 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Well, I’m not sure what it is you want. Maybe someone at the company was an asshole who wanted to cause this dude whatever stress he could, but I could do that by phoning up an anonymous tip, too, I don’t have to be a company. Cops check shit out, it’s alarming but it’s a necessary thing. We’re never going to get to a place where cops never check out people who have done absolutely nothing wrong.

We can’t prevent corporations from giving info they have to the cops, and we can’t prevent cops from being interested in it. And we shouldn’t, either.

Sorry, I think six cops was excessive. And Mr. Catalano should have asked for a warrant. Although as I wrote earlier, that probably would have pissed off the cops. They tend not to like it when you bring up rights to them.

288 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:08:14pm

BTW - John Schindler is supposed to be on the Chris Hayes show, somebody who actually knows how the NSA works. Be interesting to see if he can make a dent in Hayes’s Greensnow-worship.

289 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:09:24pm

Inez Feltscher @InezFeltscher

Reminder: no one died in Iran-Contra…

inez is all over the map

she needs to focus on one thing so she can get to be an expert at saying stupid things about that

290 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:11:48pm

re: #284 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Imagine an employee leaves, and you find a box that belongs to him in a locker. You take a look to see if it’s just junk, and you find, among coupons and flyers for out-of-business thai noodle houses, there’s a print out of pages titled “How to build a pressure-cooker bomb”.

I’d have to have known that employee really well to not want to involve the cops at that point.

And if he had a book called “How to Make a Nuclear Bomb from Pipe Cleaners”, they could have droned the place.

291 Lancelot Link  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:12:14pm

Once I was flying to a musical event in Florida with a fairly well-known DJ. I had to remind him that “That’s the BOMB!” was not a very good phrase to use loudly in airports. We were just lucky this was before September 2001.

292 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:12:15pm

Well, glad to know there’s been some clarification on Michelle’s story.

I sort of have the feeling it’s not over yet, though, either in one direction or the other. I hope I’m wrong.

293 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:12:37pm

re: #289 engineer cat

Maybe she’s focus group-testing different versions of her shtick to see which one gets the most play.

294 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:13:00pm

inez

one thing i hate about the internet is how many more people know how stupid i am now

295 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:13:08pm

re: #287 Mattand

Sorry, I think six cops was excessive. And Mr. Catalano should have asked for a warrant. Although as I wrote earlier, that probably would have pissed off the cops. They tend not to like it when you bring up rights to them.

I agree six cops is excessive from an efficiency perspective, but otherwise I care a lot more about how they acted, and they didn’t act in any unscrupulous manner. They were, in fact, very restrained. I’d rather have six cops wandering through my apartment looking at books but not going into the two locked rooms then one cop on the street patting my body down.

In this case, the guy got lucky by not asking for a warrant, because they weren’t pre-convinced he’d done something. As invasive searches go, this is nothing. Compared to a no-knock served on the wrong address, compared to one pot dealer getting his door kicked in on evidence given by another pot dealer, this is really not a big deal. It seems to me it’s only a big deal from a really, really middle-class perspective, and I’m not saying that to be harsh to you at all, just that the cops showing up and being super-polite and not searching all the rooms or all the people in the house is really not a very invasive or intimidating search.

296 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:15:01pm

re: #291 Lancelot Link, Drooling Jingosist

Once I was flying to a musical event in Florida with a fairly well-known DJ. I had to remind him that “That’s the BOMB!” was not a very good phrase to use loudly in airports. We were just lucky this was before September 2001.

these young people and their crazy slang

i was playing the saxophone with a blues group a few years ago and after the set the leader came over and said “the horns were sick, d00d!”

i was kinda upset until somebody explained to me that that was a compliment

297 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:15:20pm

re: #281 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And since my last post sounded crabby and harsh: I have a fucking anvil of a migraine that’s been here for a day. I got it after I got vaccinated. I’m obviously catching the autism.

Well don’t go near Inez or you might catch the mental retardation.

298 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:16:45pm

re: #289 engineer cat

Inez Feltscher @InezFeltscher

Reminder: no one died in Iran-Contra…

inez is all over the map

she needs to focus on one thing so she can get to be an expert at saying stupid things about that

Inez is following the rules in the RWNJ playbook.

1. Say something stupid on Teh Twitters
2. Piss off a librul!
3. When librul replies, say something EVEN MOAR STUPID
4. PROFIT!!!1

299 bubba zanetti  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:17:17pm

re: #291 Lancelot Link, Drooling Jingosist

Once I was flying to a musical event in Florida with a fairly well-known DJ. I had to remind him that “That’s the BOMB!” was not a very good phrase to use loudly in airports. We were just lucky this was before September 2001.

Good thing you didn’t ask him if he had “The Bomb” in his box.

Youtube Video

300 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:17:28pm

re: #297 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Well don’t go near Inez or you might catch the mental retardation.

I’m hoping she’s just young. She seems honestly a bit thrown when I say something back to her. Maybe I’m just over-optimistic ever since Derek Black rejected white supremacism but that was a really nice reminder that people can change, and that often people, even into their young-adult lives, are operating off of cultural influence. Maybe Inez will meet a hot young Jewish labor organizer and have some fiery late-night debates.

301 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:17:52pm

There’s little reason to forensically examine an ex-employee’s computer, most are just wiped and re-imaged for the next employee. I wonder what’s behind that examination?

302 Bexa  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:18:45pm

If I knew that a co-worker who had “recently been released” had been searching on-line about pressure cooker bombs, I would have reported them, too. The chance that they would take revenge on the company and their ex-coworkers is too great to risk.

303 Shvaughn  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:18:58pm

re: #301 Randall Gross

There’s little reason to forensically examine an ex-employee’s computer, most are just wiped and re-imaged for the next employee. I wonder what’s behind that examination?

Maybe he was a dick to them or something.

304 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:20:36pm

Crazy Bible Thumper Goes Nuts In A Coffee Shop!
Youtube Video

305 Mattand  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:21:21pm

re: #295 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I agree six cops is excessive from an efficiency perspective, but otherwise I care a lot more about how they acted, and they didn’t act in any unscrupulous manner. They were, in fact, very restrained. I’d rather have six cops wandering through my apartment looking at books but not going into the two locked rooms then one cop on the street patting my body down.

In this case, the guy got lucky by not asking for a warrant, because they weren’t pre-convinced he’d done something. As invasive searches go, this is nothing. Compared to a no-knock served on the wrong address, compared to one pot dealer getting his door kicked in on evidence given by another pot dealer, this is really not a big deal. It seems to me it’s only a big deal from a really, really middle-class perspective, and I’m not saying that to be harsh to you at all, just that the cops showing up and being super-polite and not searching all the rooms or all the people in the house is really not a very invasive or intimidating search.

I’m not taking your comments as harsh at all. But six cops in 3 SUVs showing up unannounced at my house, while my kid is upstairs asleep, is intimidating. Although as you point out, they didn’t trash the place and were polite.

Of course, the Catalanos probably have the advantage of not looking Middle Eastern. I can only imagine how that might have gone down.

306 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:21:25pm

re: #300 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’m hoping she’s just young. She seems honestly a bit thrown when I say something back to her. Maybe I’m just over-optimistic ever since Derek Black rejected white supremacism but that was a really nice reminder that people can change, and that often people, even into their young-adult lives, are operating off of cultural influence. Maybe Inez will meet a hot young Black Mexican Lesbian Jewish labor organizer and have some fiery late-night debates.

307 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:21:55pm

re: #302 Bexa

Well, if someone had, after the Boston Bombing stuff, just been searching about them, I really wouldn’t be weirded out. Searching about how to make them, that would be what would make me go “uh-oh”. There’s a big difference.

308 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:22:01pm

even with credit/debit card transactions, where, technically, the information is privileged, be aware that every purchase you make leaves a record somewhere and is ultimately discoverable

309 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:23:16pm

re: #307 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Well, if someone had, after the Boston Bombing stuff, just been searching about them, I really wouldn’t be weirded out. Searching about how to make them, that would be what would make me go “uh-oh”. There’s a big difference.

I kind of think that after the Marathon bombing, more than half Teh Internets were like all how did they make that shit?

310 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:23:16pm

re: #306 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

I’m hoping she’s just young. She seems honestly a bit thrown when I say something back to her. Maybe I’m just over-optimistic ever since Derek Black rejected white supremacism but that was a really nice reminder that people can change, and that often people, even into their young-adult lives, are operating off of cultural influence. Maybe Inez will meet a hot young Black Mexican Lesbian Jewish labor organizer and have some fiery late-night debates

i’d go see that movie!

311 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:23:46pm

re: #303 Shvaughn

Maybe he was a dick to them or something.

Most companies don’t waste valuable & limited IT resource bandwidth on just plain dickery - there could be something more to it, from either side.

312 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:24:39pm

re: #306 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

And here I was thinking Obdi’s “hot young Jewish labor organizer” was getting awfully specific.

313 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:25:33pm

re: #312 Mateo Scrounge

And here I was thinking Obdi’s “hot young Jewish labor organizer” was getting awfully specific.

Maybe VB just wants to rule out the possibility of one of her kids bringing the derp home as a date. ;)

314 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:26:02pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

More info:
Nahkon Phanom during the secret war, 1962-1975
Fantastic pics of Skyraiders and A-26s on the ramp at NK.

Love those Skyraiders.

315 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:26:24pm

re: #313 klys

Maybe VB just wants to rule out the possibility of one of her kids bringing the derp home as a date. ;)

Too much danger of somebody peeing in the gene pool.

316 Shvaughn  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:26:25pm

re: #311 Randall Gross

Most companies don’t waste valuable & limited IT resource bandwidth on just plain dickery - there could be something more to it, from either side.

Yeah, but who cares? I mean, without the OMG ARMED FEDS BURSTING IN BECAUSE NSA IS SNOOPING ON ALL OUR GOOGLE SEARCHES aspect, this is a non-story. They reported him, who cares why?

Maybe they just didn’t wipe the computer and reassigned it to someone else.

317 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:27:30pm

re: #305 Mattand

I’m not taking your comments as harsh at all. But six cops in 3 SUVs showing up unannounced at my house, while my kid is upstairs asleep, is intimidating. Although as you point out, they didn’t trash the place and were polite.

Of course, the Catalanos probably have the advantage of not looking Middle Eastern. I can only imagine how that might have gone down.

Sure, I agree it’s intimidating, it’s just one of those ‘scary in the moment’ things. If they had done that and then heavily hinted that it wasn’t a good idea for him to badmouth his employer or something, then this would be goddamn outrageous. But instead, they just followed up on the lead. Why six? Maybe they thought there was more here, and quickly figured out there wasn’t. Maybe this is a great way to pad overtime. I don’t think they did it just to intimidate, because they don’t really gain anything from that. The company doesn’t gain anything from this. Only someone who had animus towards him would gain, and their gain would be very little since no harm came to the guy.

Of course, the Catalanos probably have the advantage of not looking Middle Eastern. I can only imagine how that might have gone down.

My friend Angel almost had his dog shot during a no-knock warrant on a house he was crashing at in South-Central LA. He literally covered his dog with his body while crying to prevent it. They were looking for a cousin of one of the people who lived there, who had violated his parole, but he hadn’t been by. The only justification for the warrant was ‘this was a known residence of the parolee’.

318 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:27:44pm

re: #312 Mateo Scrounge

And here I was thinking Obdi’s “hot young Jewish labor organizer” was getting awfully specific.

Well, I’m not that young anymore.

319 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:29:06pm

re: #298 Croc-Wearing Authoritarian

Inez is following the rules in the RWNJ playbook.

1. Say something stupid on Teh Twitters
2. Piss off a librul!
3. When librul replies, say something EVEN MOAR STUPID
4. PROFIT!!!1

She’s so obtuse that the first few tweets I saw from her had me thinking “Poe’s Law”.

320 Dave In Austin  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:30:04pm

For all you who saw the threat on Goldie Taylor last nite. Here’s the turds Photo page…..

@Breakobama

321 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:31:38pm

re: #159 Shiplord Kirel

The end of these programs, a cherished goal of the right’s base, would be a disaster for the retail food industry. Not only would the poor be reduced to buying only rice and beans, when it got bad enough hungry mobs would simply storm the place and loot the inventory entirely. People will do all sorts of things they normally wouldn’t if the alternative is to watch their children starve.
It can happen here, it hasn’t because we have not let it happen. That could change if the RWNJs have their way. FDR didn’t create the New Deal out of fuzzy headed altruism, he did it to head off the very real possibility of a revolution.

There’s that damned song in my head again.

Youtube Video

322 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:31:49pm

IM from the husband: “I found another place on office paperwork that I needed to change my status to married.”

Our 3rd anniversary is in November.

323 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:32:30pm

Catalanos probably have the advantage of not looking Middle Eastern

a friend of mine’s parents came from pakistan. he was pretty dark and had a mustache. he was born in london, tho, and has a pretty posh accent

one night he was sitting on the front steps of his apartment complex having a cigarette when the police came by and questioned him. seems somebody had reported that “an illegal mexican was squatting on the steps”

but then he opened his mouth and responded in an accent that made him sound like prince charles

324 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:33:43pm

re: #322 klys

IM from the husband: “I found another place on office paperwork that I needed to change my status to married.”

Our 3rd anniversary is in November.

Hope it’s not something big, like health insurance - “Hey, we really ought to sign you up!” - or insurance beneficiary.

325 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:35:58pm

re: #324 Mateo Scrounge

Hope it’s not something big, like health insurance - “Hey, we really ought to sign you up!” - or insurance beneficiary.

Hahaha, no. THOSE were taken care of first thing because Stanford changed how their graduate health plan worked the academic year we got married. In order to avoid being locked into an expensive and worse plan for a year, I ended up having to just have “hit by a bus” coverage for 3 months.

This was just emergency contact paperwork. For the whole remaining month, assuming the deal closes as scheduled at the end of the month and another company takes over.

326 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:38:34pm
327 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:41:11pm

re: #326 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Aw, hell. These days it could be anything, from Acorn to Jay Z going to Cuba.

328 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:42:24pm

re: #302 Bexa

Welcome, hatchling. I missed your actual hatching, so please accept this belated welcome. And come around more often, maybe.

329 ericblair  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:43:56pm

re: #300 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’m hoping she’s just young. She seems honestly a bit thrown when I say something back to her.

Since she’s in law school apparently, I assume this is an extended job application for some wingnut welfare post. Trying to get some street cred as a doubleplusgood duckspeaker so she doesn’t need to actually work for a living.

330 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:50:06pm

re: #322 klys

IM from the husband: “I found another place on office paperwork that I needed to change my status to married.”

Our 3rd anniversary is in November.

Congratulations.

My 3rd is on the 18th. Wife will be here for it. She stays until the new year.

Hopefully this will be the last time she has to visit.

331 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:51:19pm

re: #329 ericblair

Since she’s in law school apparently, I assume this is an extended job application for some wingnut welfare post. Trying to get some street cred as a doubleplusgood duckspeaker so she doesn’t need to actually work for a living.

She’s an intern a heritage.org. They have a bunch of young interns working for free or minimum wage Tweeting Teh Derp including the ever popular “I work for minimum wage and I love it!”

332 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:52:38pm

I took the Crocs off.

333 Carlos Dangler  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:52:53pm

re: #194 Kragar

Bob Ross Was a Sergeant in the Air Force

The rest of that Cracked list did it like a boss, too: Jimmy Stewart (volunteered for the Army Air Corps before America’s entry into WWII, flew bombers over Germany, and stayed in the USAF/USAFR until 1968), Steve Buscemi (was a FDNY firefighter before his acting career took off; volunteered at his old fire hall for SAR duty at Ground Zero after 9/11), Vidal Sassoon (was part of a Jewish anti-Nazi gang in London post-WWII that was going after Oswald Mosley’s thugs) and James Doohan.

334 gunnison  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:53:18pm

Catalano confirms on her twitter feed that it was her husband’s google searches on his work computer that triggered the whole episode, and that she didn’t know that when she wrote the piece.

Ten bucks says he’s sleeping on the couch for a while, eh?
:)

335 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:53:34pm

re: #325 klys

Hahaha, no. THOSE were taken care of first thing because Stanford changed how their graduate health plan worked the academic year we got married. In order to avoid being locked into an expensive and worse plan for a year, I ended up having to just have “hit by a bus” coverage for 3 months.

This was just emergency contact paperwork. For the whole remaining month, assuming the deal closes as scheduled at the end of the month and another company takes over.

For some reason, we have to periodically re-submit our employee information - emergency contacts, etc. When you get to my age, that stuff doesn’t change much over time. Certainly the dependents part doesn’t, much to my chagrin. When I was the age of my older son, just after I graduated from college - I mean LITERALLY right after the ceremony - my Mom said, “You can stay for the summer, but don’t think you’re going to live here.” then gave me a big hug and kiss.

She wasn’t one for ‘Empty Nest Syndrome’. More like The Witch of the West, unleashing us on the world - “Fly, my pretties! FLY!!”

336 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:55:07pm

Atlantic Wire walks back their earlier fear-mongering article, big time:

theatlanticwire.com

337 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:56:24pm

re: #330 Romantic Heretic

Congratulations.

My 3rd is on the 18th. Wife will be here for it. She stays until the new year.

Hopefully this will be the last time she has to visit.

My fingers are crossed!

My parents celebrate their ….30-something-th on the 18th. It was also my due date, but I said screw that and showed two weeks early.

338 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:59:11pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

Employers can basically look at absolutely everything you do on a computer while at work.

Well hell yes. I once had to fire a guy for something like that. For many good reasons. Liability, productivity, etc. etc. Maybe this was a weird payback or employer being a dick.

This also has echoes of the one hour photo guy turning in naked child pictures to the police. In some cases that catches child porn. In some cases it’s just parents catching their toddlers at that age where they act cute and shed clothes on a whim. Or bath pics with soap and a rubber ducky.

Point is we all share “see something say something” responsibilities and then trust real police to sort it out. A completely different scenario than big brother NSA spying on my Google searches.

339 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 5:59:18pm

re: #337 klys

My fingers are crossed!

My parents celebrate their ….30-something-th on the 18th. It was also my due date, but I said screw that and showed two weeks early.

Our 42nd coming up next week.

340 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:01:57pm

re: #339 Vicious Babushka

Our 42nd coming up next week.

Congratulations!

(And a belated congratulations to A_Mom_Anon if she sees this, since I think she said her 20th was coming up or is today or something like that.)

We’re gunning for 50. Both my grandparents made it that far (mom’s side is still going, dad’s side passed away within a year of each other).

341 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:02:30pm

She’s had a rough day.

342 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:07:58pm

The real lesson in this is don’t use the work computer to surf. You never know who is legally watching you.

343 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:08:16pm
344 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:10:39pm

re: #343 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

“were led to believe that”

Sorry, please try again. I think that your response should read “made assumptions that” this was in any way connected to the whole NSA bullshit.

345 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:12:20pm

re: #339 Vicious Babushka

re: #340 klys

Next year is Dragon_lady and my 30th. While the recession took a huge toll on our money and careers, we have stayed just fine despite the turbulence. I’m proud of her for hanging in through thick and thin. We made some career choices that were good for the marriage and hard on our careers. I’m so ok with that! I did not get married to have a cool job I have a career to fund my life with my wife.

346 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:12:48pm

re: #340 klys

Congratulations!

(And a belated congratulations to A_Mom_Anon if she sees this, since I think she said her 20th was coming up or is today or something like that.)

We’re gunning for 50. Both my grandparents made it that far (mom’s side is still going, dad’s side passed away within a year of each other).

My dad passed away just before he and my mom could celebrate their 65th.

347 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:15:01pm

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

My dad passed away just before he and my mom could celebrate their 65th.

I think my grandparents had just celebrated their 55th (?) when Grandpa died suddenly. It was hard because it was 4 months before my wedding - first chance my grandmother had to meet my now-husband, in fact.

He got buried with an invitation to my wedding in his suit pocket.

I can only hope I’m lucky enough to have 64.95 years with my husband, but the age difference makes that trickier.

348 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:15:12pm

DERP
This of course is Teh Stupid Shit from WND.

349 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:24:28pm

This year was our 25th. I asked my wife, the lovely and talented Mrs. Jockey Scourge Scrounge what she wanted, since it’s our Silver, and she said, “Just no jewelry!”

She doesn’t want to go out on the town, she doesn’t want jewelry, she doesn’t want fancy clothes, or expensive shoes. That’s one of the minor reasons I love her.

350 klys  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:29:09pm

re: #349 Mateo Scrounge

This year was our 25th. I asked my wife, the lovely and talented Mrs. Jockey Scourge Scrounge what she wanted, since it’s our Silver, and she said, “Just no jewelry!”

She doesn’t want to go out on the town, she doesn’t want jewelry, she doesn’t want fancy clothes, or expensive shoes. That’s one of the minor reasons I love her.

What’re shoes? Are those like …flip flops? Hiking boots?

351 Carlos Dangler  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 6:35:01pm

re: #329 ericblair

Since she’s in law school apparently, I assume this is an extended job application for some wingnut welfare post. Trying to get some street cred as a doubleplusgood duckspeaker so she doesn’t need to actually work for a living.

It’s good work, if you can get it…provided you have no shame, no morals, and no conscience.

352 SchadenBoner  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:16:11am

re: #129 A Mom Anon

He kinda overlooks that the other half of black Senators are Democrats. One is a woman, another got himself elected President. The only recent black Senator that’s a Republican is Sen Scott from SC. But hey, just keep running that yap dude.

They really have a lot of difficulty understanding transitions of any sort don’t they? Lots of things change with time, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. And let’s just say the whole Dixiecrat migration to the GOP hadn’t happened. What party do you think this genius would belong to now? I have a pretty good guess….

EVIL-OOTION!


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