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What is it with the right wing’s bizarre, hateful “race war” fantasies? What the hell is wrong with these people? Beck: Obama and His Administration Are Sowing the Seeds of a Race War.

Last night, [Beck] dedicated most of his program to laying out “The Anatomy of a Racist,” and while he used Adolf Hitler, Louis Farrakhan, and David Duke as his examples, he was really trying to make the case that President Obama is following that same pattern.

On his radio broadcast today, Beck returned to the topic as he asserted that “many in this administration” fit this definition of racists, warning that they have been intentionally sowing the seeds to racial discord and are just waiting for the proper “crisis” to set off a race war.

I remember when ranting about “race war” was for only the fringiest of wackos. People like Charles Manson.

Now Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Fox News are mainlining this evil crap into the veins of the right wing base 24/7.

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1 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:39:27pm
What is it with the right wing’s bizarre, hateful “race war” fantasies?

It gives them purpose in their otherwise dreary gray lives.

2 erik_t  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:39:53pm

…he says, wearing a vaguely racist sports logo.

3 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:41:01pm

They want it to happen so they’ll have an excuse to shoot any of The Other that crosses their path. They want it so bad they can’t stand it. I think it’s called wishful thinking.

4 darthstar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:41:07pm

Good news for you, Glenn…it only involves the human race.

5 piratedan  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:41:23pm

TY Cornelius Fudge, next up on the Glenn Beck show, is Ted Cruz really a Dementor and if he is, is that a bad thing….

6 erik_t  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:41:49pm

re: #3 A Mom Anon

They want it to happen so they’ll have an excuse to shoot any of The Other that crosses their path. They want it so bad they can’t stand it. I think it’s called wishful thinking.

Mr. Z isn’t a right-wing hero for nothing.

7 elizajane  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:41:59pm

Would this be the war for which the Tea Party wants to stockpile weapons, as per Krager’s recent page? At least that would be consistent.
thinkprogress.org

8 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:43:04pm

The RW race war fantasy provides entertainment for racists in the GOP base, and a distraction from the cruelty of RW fiscal policies designed only to further enrich the wealthy.

9 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:43:33pm

Hey, they missed all the fun in Vietnam because they were too busy with their sales careers, school, family, and figuring out ways to dodge the draft; then they were too old for the Gulf or the current unpleasantness. Now, the election of a ni(clang) gives them one last chance to vicariously fulfill the bloodthirsty impulses they picked up from 50s TV westerns.

10 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:44:29pm

Maybe Glen should put down ‘Mein Kampf’, and probably the ‘Turner Diaries’, and seek help.

11 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:45:09pm

Prudence is in a frenzy of Derp-spamming DR. BEN CARSON QUOTES TO PRUVEZ TAHT LIBRULS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!11!!

Dr. Ben Carson is a well known brain surgeon, but getting his opinion on political issues is just like:

1. Asking Mozart for financial advice
2. Asking Einstein about relationships

12 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:45:46pm

I have model tanks and planes (as well as a collector-grade 1965 GI Joe), these idiots have Glenn Beck and Alex Jones.

13 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:45:50pm

This is so fucking dangerous. This kind of shit can get people killed.

14 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:47:41pm

They continue with these fantasies because they can’t wait for the day when The Turner Diaries becomes an instruction manual.

In the meantime they clean their guns, sharpen their knives and dream.

15 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:47:41pm

re: #13 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This is so fucking dangerous. This kind of shit can get people killed.

This. ^^
It probably will.

16 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:47:57pm

re: #13 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This is so fucking dangerous. This kind of shit can get people killed.

The death cultists infesting the GOP really do want to have a total breakdown of society. They see civilization as an obstacle because it prevents them from acting on their primitive urges to massacre ‘others’.

17 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:48:15pm

re: #13 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

That’s what they want.

18 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:48:44pm

re: #13 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This is so fucking dangerous. This kind of shit can get people killed.

I think that’s what the sick fuck hopes for.

19 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:49:41pm

If there was a race war, I think whites might be in trouble…

20 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:50:16pm

re: #16 EPR-radar

The death cultists infesting the GOP really do want to have a total breakdown of society. They see civilization as an obstacle because it prevents them from acting on their primitive urges to massacre ‘others’.

My term for them is ‘barbarians’, defined by H. Beam Piper as “Some one who doesn’t understand civilization and wouldn’t like it if they did.”

21 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:51:05pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

I think that’s what the sick fuck hopes for.

Glenn Beck is the symptom. The real problem is that we’re at or getting close to the point where these sick delusions are shared by a majority of the GOP primary electorate.

22 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:52:04pm

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

If there was a race war, I think whites might be in trouble…

I’d be following John Howard Griffin’s path.

23 aagcobb  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:53:01pm

Perfect mirroring. Some people on the Right (freepers) want a race war so bad they can hardly stand the wait while they amass their arsenals.

24 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:55:00pm

Of course if an African American radio host were to say something, anything suggestive of a race war, the RWNJ would be demanding arrests, raising holy hell everywhere. But Beck et al can say this stuff routinely and….nothing.

25 celticdragon  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:55:11pm

I had this conversation today with a friend (an African American federal law enforcement ranger).

She is in near despair over the horrible turn that has taken place thanks to hucksters like Beck and Limbaugh. I was aghast when she told me her own son was grabbed by white cops as he literally stepped outside of an apartment when her family visited up in the Bronx. The cops insisted he was suspected of being a neighborhood drug dealer. She proceeded to produce her federal badge (before her husband could show up and escalate things even more). Her son refused to step outside for any reason until they left for good.

This shit has got to stop.

26 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:55:23pm

Getting back to my assertion that our society is in the midst of a Brave New World breakdown, here’s an example of how society is trying to change but a substantial minority do not have the plasticity of being in order to accommodate:

The Supreme Court Will Soon Decide Whether CEOs Can Impose Their Religious Beliefs On Their Workers

[…]

Last Friday, the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the contraception mandate, rejecting a challenge from a Pennsylvania-based cabinetmaker who claimed that as a Mennonite he should not be compelled to provide contraceptive coverage to his 950 employees because the mandate violates the company’s rights under the free exercise clause of the First Amendment and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. The owner considers some of the contraception methods at issue—specifically, the morning-after and week-after pills—abortifacients.

[…]

When the Mennonite religious system was created there were no little pills that were for “morning after” moments. Modern medicine is a completely foreign idea to older, more superstitious, worldviews.

27 efuseakay  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:56:04pm

They are looking for validation for their guns and ammo hoarding.

28 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:56:15pm

Because they keep losing elections, the Glenn Beck’s of the world get elevated and thrive.

29 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:56:22pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

Glenn Beck is the symptom. The real problem is that we’re at or getting close to the point where these sick delusions are shared by a majority of the GOP primary electorate.

Indeed. And what’s messed up is the GOP primary electorate thinks the party needs to grow more conservative (read more nuts) So while the Democratic Party has been broadening its coalition, the Republican Party seems desperate to remain an exclusive Southern rich white people’s party. I hope it backfires on them but all it takes is some voter apathy and you get the Republican majority we now have in the House of Reps.

30 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:56:25pm

These are the same clowns who declare, without irony, that white Christian males are the most discriminated-against group in America. They think their low wages and diminished prospects are all because of women, blacks, and hispanics, not the result of the economic policies they’ve championed.

What they’re bemoaning is not even the LOSS of white privilege. It’s having to SHARE IT.

31 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:57:15pm

Are these white supremacist dreams of a race war changing as the demographics do? Back when that horrible book The Turner Diaries was published, white people might credibly have won a race war.

Thankfully, even though these racist assholes exist in large numbers, if they ever did spark off a ‘race war’, what it would be would be white supremacists vs. everybody else, including a majority of whites. There is no chance of an actual ‘race war’ in the US, there is the dim possibility of a large-scale white supremacist uprising, but it’s pretty damn dim.

What is likely is that shit like this poisons peoples minds and makes them paranoid, and that can have a thousand little deleterious effects.

32 piratedan  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:58:03pm

re: #20 Romantic Heretic

major props for the Piper reference… what bothers me the most about all of this is that there is a pretty virulent strain of these adherents within our Military (i.e. a fair portion of the USAF for example) and former military that would be in favor of this transpiring. I don’t think that they’re the majority, but it’s not insignificant either.

33 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:58:28pm

re: #31 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Are these white supremacist dreams of a race war changing as the demographics do? Back when that horrible book The Turner Diaries was published, white people might credibly have won a race war.

Thankfully, even though these racist assholes exist in large numbers, if they ever did spark off a ‘race war’, what it would be would be white supremacists vs. everybody else, including a majority of whites. There is no chance of an actual ‘race war’ in the US, there is the dim possibility of a large-scale white supremacist uprising, but it’s pretty damn dim.

What is likely is that shit like this poisons peoples minds and makes them paranoid, and that can have a thousand little deleterious effects.

They’re petrified of changing demographics. .

34 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:59:14pm

I still contend that the idea of race is one of the stupidest things humans have ever invented. Oh your exterior skin is a different color, you’re inferior to me!

35 Dave In Austin  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:59:42pm

Yeah that’s the ticket!!

No town halls on the break but Derpfest in NOLO? You bet.

‘16 Ticket

DerpFest

36 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 1:59:51pm

re: #26 freetoken

The system in Brave New World wasn’t breaking down.

Do you mean you think we’re entering Fordism?

37 SchadenBoner  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:00:00pm

re: #1 freetoken

It gives them purpose in their otherwise dreary gray lives.

Race war fantasies give them permission to do what they’ve wanted to do for a long time. It’s like an Inter arma enim silent leges thing but for what little conscience or sense of guilt/shame remains for them.

(To be honest, I think the zombie-media craze is similarly freighted, although usually from a less (explicitly) political stance.)

38 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:00:39pm

re: #26 freetoken

Getting back to my assertion that our society is in the midst of a Brave New World breakdown, here’s an example of how society is trying to change but a substantial minority do not have the plasticity of being in order to accommodate:

The Supreme Court Will Soon Decide Whether CEOs Can Impose Their Religious Beliefs On Their Workers

When the Mennonite religious system was created there were no little pills that were for “morning after” moments. Modern medicine is a completely foreign idea to older, more superstitious, worldviews.

AFAIK, there’s nothing in Anabaptist theology that opposes contraception.

But more importantly, HEALTH COVERAGE IS NOT A GIFT FROM THE EMPLOYER. IT’S COMPENSATION. WORKERS PURCHASE IT WITH THEIR LABOR. Since when does ANYONE support the authority of employers to tell employees howe they can spend their compensation?

39 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:00:54pm

Not only demographics, I think they also see younger people being much more accepting of those that are different, and even embracing other cultures.

40 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:01:55pm

I remember when ranting about “race war” was for only the fringiest of wackos. People like Charles Manson.

Now Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Fox News are mainlining this crap into the veins of the right wing base 24/7. It’s easy to snark about it, but it’s horrible.

41 alpuz  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:01:57pm

re: #31 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Are these white supremacist dreams of a race war changing as the demographics do? Back when that horrible book The Turner Diaries was published, white people might credibly have won a race war.

Thankfully, even though these racist assholes exist in large numbers, if they ever did spark off a ‘race war’, what it would be would be white supremacists vs. everybody else, including a majority of whites. There is no chance of an actual ‘race war’ in the US, there is the dim possibility of a large-scale white supremacist uprising, but it’s pretty damn dim.

What is likely is that shit like this poisons peoples minds and makes them paranoid, and that can have a thousand little deleterious effects.

Already happening. The Rangel comment section at TPM was full of paranoid right-wing racists. Misinformed ones at that.

42 erik_t  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:02:03pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

I still contend that the idea of race is one of the stupidest things humans have ever invented. Oh your exterior skin is a different color, you’re inferior to me!

Well it still makes more sense than the game of cricket.

/

43 SchadenBoner  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:03:01pm

re: #42 erik_t

Well it still makes more sense than the game of cricket.

/

ITP: damnation through faint praise.

44 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:03:42pm

re: #41 alpuz

Already happening. The Rangel comment section at TPM was full of paranoid right-wing racists. Misinformed ones at that.

Are there WELL-informed paranoid right-wing racists?
//

45 Mattand  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:03:47pm

Glenn Beck: so far right that even Fox had to drop him.

46 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:03:59pm

There are serious and informed people (ie not prepper profiteers) who have researched what would happen after a complete collapse of government and the economy. I got interested in this while I was mayor of a small town. I looked at our long term emergency plans and found that there weren’t any. Then, as now, municipal emergency planning typically revolved around a. holding on long enough for FEMA and the state to get there in force and b. getting federal grants.
It turns out that the optimum group size for long term autonomous survival is not a single family or two in a redoubt, but a collection of 80-100 cooperating individuals. This is small enough to manage without recourse to outside authority, but large enough to provide a good cross section of skills and resources, and the numbers to hold off and otherwise cope with marauders and crazed individuals. Eventually, after some interaction and building of trust, 3 or 4 such groups could cooperate on a larger scale. This process would continue until a larger society is re-built. I believe that this process mirrors in compressed form the way in which society developed in the neolithic period, when agriculture made it possible to form larger associations than the small nomadic tribal clan.
In any case, it is people who know how to cooperate, not the steely-eyed individualists, who will survive in such a situation.

47 celticdragon  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:04:01pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I remember when ranting about “race war” was for only the fringiest of wackos. People like Charles Manson.

Now Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Fox News are mainlining this crap into the veins of the right wing base 24/7. It’s easy to snark about it, but it’s horrible.

They are going to get a lot of people killed. I cannot think of anything like this since the fucking Fire Eaters of the 1850’s.

48 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:04:07pm

Racism escalated when powerful people realized there were more poor people than wealthy, regardless of race. Divide and conquer.
It’s always been about money.

49 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:04:34pm

Sorry to go OT but this was a really cool thing for Phil Anselmo (of Pantera) to do.

And with that, I’m off to Copeland’s for dinner and drinks with The Husband to celebrate 20 yrs of marriage. Take that Conservatives! HA.

50 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:05:12pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I remember when ranting about “race war” was for only the fringiest of wackos. People like Charles Manson.
L
Now Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Fox News are mainlining this crap into the veins of the right wing base 24/7. It’s easy to snark about it, but it’s horrible.

What makes it so insane is that elected GOP politicians listen to these guys and appear on their shows and treat them as legitimate people in the conversation. Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck would lose a lot of their cred if politicians from the Republican party called them out on their shit or even ignored them. Either way, it would be a heck a lot better than what they’re doing now which is giving them credibility that they don’ deserve.

51 Ian G.  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:05:28pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: you need healthy young people on your side for a fascist coup to succeed. There is no way a revolution of Beck’s audience, 65-year-olds on Lipitor, could ever succeed.

I’m not saying that there won’t be isolated acts of violence. I’m just saying that Beck and co. can scream and yell about this all day, but the streets of this country will not be turning into Weimar Germany. Hell, the possibilities of race riots grow more remote by the day, even as the rhetoric becomes worse.

52 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:06:12pm

I remember when Race War was just a cool name for the weekend dirt races.

53 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:06:44pm

BTW, National Racists Online keeps pumping out the dog whistles also, I linked to one earlier about a NYT story on UCB admissions.

NRO is featuring on their front page Michael Barone’s latest idiot fluff Forget the Old South which is all about how those nasty “civil rights” leaders are still pretending it is 1955. How ironic given so many wingnuts are still in denial about the Southern Strategy of the GOP and so forth.

Anyway, the NRO commenters do not disappoint - full of ugliness.

54 Mattand  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:07:18pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I remember when ranting about “race war” was for only the fringiest of wackos. People like Charles Manson.

Now Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Fox News are mainlining this crap into the veins of the right wing base 24/7. It’s easy to snark about it, but it’s horrible.

That’s why I get so antsy about where conservatives are headed. I’ve been seeing people who I thought we’re grounded in reality starting to drop bigoted comments like it’s no big deal.

I had a long-time friend the other day straight out tell me he no longer goes to a local movie theater because, I shit you not, “There’s too many black people there.”

I thought by the time my generation was pushing 50, we’d be past this stuff. Now I see the ones coming up behind me saying shit worse than my grandparents ever did.

55 SchadenBoner  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:08:22pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

What makes it so insane is that elected GOP politicians listen to these guys and appear on their shows and treat them as legitimate people in the conversation. Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck would lose a lot of their cred if politicians from the Republican party called them out on their shit or even ignored them. Either way, it would be a heck a lot better than what they’re doing now which is giving them credibility that they don’ deserve.

No, what makes it insane is that the rest of the media give these pols a free pass when they do. The pols get to brush off the toxic spew so they never lose mainstream (and the mainstream of Americans, I still believe, reject Beck et. al. in word and deed) credibility.

THAT’S the insane part.

56 Ian G.  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:08:28pm

re: #49 A Mom Anon

That rules. Oh yeah, and good choice with “Walk”, kid. Somewhere, Dime is smiling.

57 celticdragon  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:08:45pm

re: #51 Ian G.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: you need healthy young people on your side for a fascist coup to succeed. There is no way a revolution of Beck’s audience, 65-year-olds on Lipitor, could ever succeed.

I’m not saying that there won’t be isolated acts of violence. I’m just saying that Beck and co. can scream and yell about this all day, but the streets of this country will not be turning into Weimar Germany. Hell, the possibilities of race riots grow more remote by the day, even as the rhetoric becomes worse.

The 65 year old hoveround crowd thing is fine for snarking…but there are an awful lot of militia types (thousands) with guns, ammunition and supplies. 45 year old white males with some prior military experience. They listen to this shit.

58 bubba zanetti  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:08:50pm

Have they actually detailed what this fantasy “race war” is going to be fought?

Is it going to be “kill every white person you see”?

Will minorities take over cities and make them racially pure, and enforce their borders?

I mean, what is the end game here?

59 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:08:54pm

It’s funny because in one breath we hear this idiots complaining about civil rights activists and saying shit like “Racism is over, stop complaining!.” And then we hear about how the heterosexual white Christian male has the hardest of anyone in this country.

60 Jack Burton  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:08:56pm

At this point, how is anything Beck is saying different than what neo-nazis on Stormfront and it’s ilk have been saying for a couple of decades?

Answer: It’s not. He’s gone full William Luther Pierce.

61 Mattand  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:08:59pm

re: #51 Ian G.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: you need healthy young people on your side for a fascist coup to succeed. There is no way a revolution of Beck’s audience, 65-year-olds on Lipitor, could ever succeed.

I’m not saying that there won’t be isolated acts of violence. I’m just saying that Beck and co. can scream and yell about this all day, but the streets of this country will not be turning into Weimar Germany. Hell, the possibilities of race riots grow more remote by the day, even as the rhetoric becomes worse.

See my previous post. From what I’ve seen, there’s no short supply of aggrieved white guys under 40. And I’m in the supposed-to-be-done-with-racism Northeast.

62 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:09:46pm

re: #54 Mattand

That’s why I get so antsy about where conservatives are headed. I’ve been seeing people who I thought we’re grounded in reality starting to drop bigoted comments like it’s no big deal.

I had a long-time friend the other day straight out tell me he no longer goes to a local movie theater because, I shit you not, “There’s too many black people there.”

I thought by the time my generation was pushing 50, we’d be past this stuff. Now I see the ones coming up behind me saying shit worse than my grandparents ever did.

This crap has to be taught, so the propagandists that are spreading it really are the lowest of the low.

63 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:10:09pm

re: #55 SchadenBoner

No, what makes it insane is that the rest of the media give these pols a free pass when they do. The pols get to brush off the toxic spew so they never lose mainstream (and the mainstream of Americans, I still believe, reject Beck et. al. in word and deed) credibility.

THAT’S the insane part.

True the media gives them a pass for doing it and it’s shit. Limbaugh is repeatedly race baiting and the media just treats him as “controversial.” He’s no different than Father Coughlin and the various people like him of the past.

64 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:10:37pm

re: #60 Jack Burton

At this point, how is anything Beck is saying different than what neo-nazis on Stormfront and it’s ilk have been saying for a couple of decades?

Answer: It’s not. He’s gone full William Luther Pierce.

But Beck’s “pro Israel” and he “admires” Martin Luther King.//

65 Ian G.  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:11:04pm

re: #61 Mattand

See my previous post. From what I’ve seen, there’s no short supply of aggrieved white guys under 40. And I’m in the supposed-to-be-done-with-racism Northeast.

I know plenty of aggrieved white guys under 40. I still don’t think they’re going to make the jump from bitching on Facebook to armed insurrection.

Maybe I’m overly optimistic, I dunno.

66 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:11:30pm

re: #54 Mattand

That’s why I get so antsy about where conservatives are headed. I’ve been seeing people who I thought we’re grounded in reality starting to drop bigoted comments like it’s no big deal.

This. It’s like electing Obama means they can now say all those things they’d only thought, and think those things they were afraid to think. They simultaneously say there’s no more racism in America AND spew racism like it was Alabama in 1963.

And this redefinition of racism to mean any reference to racist actions or attitudes? That’s an astonishing level of Newspeak.

67 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:11:51pm

Blacks are 9% of the population here in Lubbock. This means that for every black person, there are probably 5 or 6 whites who are scared shitless of them. This has got to do bad things to people’s minds. Mix in commercially motivated fear mongering to throw fuel on the fire, and you have a recipe for disaster.

68 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:12:15pm

re: #60 Jack Burton

At this point, how is anything Beck is saying different than what neo-nazis on Stormfront and it’s ilk have been saying for a couple of decades?

Answer: It’s not. He’s gone full William Luther Pierce.

Of course there is no difference. And the US right wing is busily trying to make the differences between the present-day US GOP and the Nazis in Weimar Germany smaller rather than larger.

69 Mattand  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:13:32pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

This crap has to be taught, so the propagandists that are spreading it really are the lowest of the low.

Yeah, tell me about it. The aforementioned “I won’t go to no movies with Teh Blackz” dropped the phrase “jungle bunny” in front of his then 6 year old, after being goaded into it by the “talent” on Philly’s local Big Talker affiliate.

He also loves Colbert, despite the fact that Colbert regularly shits on every political belief he holds.

70 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:13:40pm

Top of the Townhall page is the story:
Democratic Illinois State Rep: You Know, The Cops Could Be Shooting Black Children

And sure enough the commenters chime in a chorus of ugly, e.g.:

JarheadRVN70 Wrote:1 hour ago (3:59 PM)
This beast is a perfect representative for the Chicago black community. Just perfect.

And there will be plenty more.

The American right-wing hate industry has figured out it can make money by going the Stormfront route.

71 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:14:43pm

re: #69 Mattand

Yeah, tell me about it. The aforementioned “I won’t go to no movies with Teh Blackz” dropped the phrase “jungle bunny” in front of his then 6 year old, after being goaded into it by the “talent” on Philly’s local Big Talker affiliate.

He also loves Colbert, despite the fact that Colbert regularly shits on every political belief he holds.

Perhaps he thinks Colbert is being serious?

72 Ian G.  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:15:39pm

And again, let’s use the right’s own term, the “silent majority” against them. What’s more indicative of long-term race-relations trends: the screaming of a few white supremacist nutcases on the internet and TV, or the election of a black man as President, and the many, many 20 and 30-something white people who are “gentrifying” so many of the cities that their parents fled in the 1960s and 70s?

Again, maybe I’m just overly optimistic.

73 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:18:19pm

re: #70 freetoken

Top of the Townhall page is the story:
Democratic Illinois State Rep: You Know, The Cops Could Be Shooting Black Children

And sure enough the commenters chime in a chorus of ugly, e.g.:

And there will be plenty more.

The American right-wing hate industry has figured out it can make money by going the Stormfront route.

You know for all their calling the left Nazis, they sure as hell do sound like Nazis when they refer to a human being as a “beast.” The thing that always bothered me about Andrew Breitbart wasn’t so much his tactics, it was how he always called his opponents “filth” and “parasites.” And a lot of people on the right use those terms to describe the poor and needy.

74 piratedan  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:18:24pm

re: #66 GeneJockey

I think that’s very close to the nail on the head, “we elected a black man as President, ergo, there’s no racism in America”. Nevermind the ongoing attempt to delegitimatize the election, the office holder by whatever whacked out means available, it’s a get out of jail free card as far as these folks are concerned, that allows them to play the “loyal opposition” card and hide underneath all of the crap that has been going on in the name of “conservatism”. Patently evident, when Obama takes their ideas as a compromise and introduces them to lurch the country forward and they disavow their earlier positions. THAT at least has stayed consistent throughout, whatever the R’s and D’s used to agree on, now it’s spit in the dirt time and drawing ideological lines in the sand.

75 Mattand  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:18:31pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

Perhaps he thinks Colbert is being serious?

No, he’s fortunately not that dense. Although I wonder at times.

Mentioned him before; he’s now “independent” after identifying as conservative since we were in our early 20’s.

I honestly think he waits for Colbert’s occasional digs at Obama and liberals to give himself a faux MBF fix.

76 Kragar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:18:51pm

Glenn Beck says a lot of very stupid things.

77 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:18:54pm

We got a rumor on the 12th.

A new name being bandied about:

Peter Capaldi

78 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:19:51pm

re: #76 Kragar

Glenn Beck says a lot of very stupid things.

I think the only smart thing I ever saw him do was champion Irena Sendler but he was only doing that to shit on Al Gore for winning a Nobel Peace Prize.

79 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:20:37pm

re: #53 freetoken

BTW, National Racists Online keeps pumping out the dog whistles also, I linked to one earlier about a NYT story on UCB admissions.

NRO is featuring on their front page Michael Barone’s latest idiot fluff Forget the Old South which is all about how those nasty “civil rights” leaders are still pretending it is 1955. How ironic given so many wingnuts are still in denial about the Southern Strategy of the GOP and so forth.

Anyway, the NRO commenters do not disappoint - full of ugliness.

There is some weapon grade BS in that linked article:

The phenomenon is apparent in much of the commentary on the George Zimmerman case. Facts were blithely ignored — the fact that Zimmerman is Hispanic, not white, by current standards; the evidence that he and not his victim, Trayvon Martin, was pummeled and wounded; the failure to find any hint of anti-black bias in Zimmerman’s past.

80 Lancelot Link  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:20:41pm

This story is relevant. If one of Beck’s followers is inspired to go out and try to kill people, it wouldn’t be the first time.

81 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:20:47pm

The longer working class folks feel economically insecure, the worse it’s going to get.
The problem is, they can’t get into their skulls that voting GOP is the cause of their frustration.
As my dad says, “…cutting off their nose to spite their face.”

82 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:22:20pm

It’s not a coincidence that the strongest pushers of this race-war theme: Beck, WND, Salem Communications (Townhall, Hotair, etc.) are also some of the loudest self-proclaiming “Christian” media presences.

Again I stress, this is about a worldview that has collapsed back onto its adherents, as the rest of the world changes and are not following the old rules of what ought to be.

83 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:23:20pm

re: #79 EPR-radar

There is some weapon grade BS in that linked article:

Considering that all the calls he made to the police regarding “suspcious persons” involved blacks, that’s a load of shit and Barone knows it but Barone’s a hack as is anyone who writes for the rag that is the National Review.

84 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:23:58pm

re: #81 OhNoZombies!

The longer working class folks feel economically insecure, the worse it’s going to get.
The problem is, they can’t get into their skulls that voting GOP is the cause of their frustration.
As my dad says, “…cutting off their nose to spite their face.”

It is hard to remain civil about criticizing GOP policies when the GOP is simultaneously:

1) Doing all that it can to wreck the economy for just about everyone, and

2) Fomenting just about every crappy *ism that has ever blighted the human condition to provide scapegoats for #1.

85 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:24:05pm

And the following is not unconnected:

NSF cancels political-science grant cycle

[…]

The NSF’s decision removes one of the main financial lifelines for political-science research. “This is somewhere between devastating and crippling,” says Henry Farrell, a political scientist at George Washington University in Washington DC and an author of the Monkey Cage, a widely read political-science blog. But Farrell blames the political climate rather than the funding agency for the cut. “The NSF is in an extremely awkward situation,” he says.

The requirements for NSF political-science spending came during eleventh-hour negotiations for the 2013 omnibus spending bill. Some of the law’s language, proposed by Senator Tom Coburn (Republican, Oklahoma), prevents the NSF from “wasting federal resources on political science projects, unless the NSF Director certifies projects are vital to national security or the economic interests of the country.”

[…]

86 RadicalModerate  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:24:14pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I remember when ranting about “race war” was for only the fringiest of wackos. People like Charles Manson.

Now Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Fox News are mainlining this crap into the veins of the right wing base 24/7. It’s easy to snark about it, but it’s horrible.

Never mind the fact that the term “racial holy war” (RAHOWA) is a staple with white supremacist organizations, and more than a few individuals associated with them have acted on this fantasy (see Anders Breivik, James Von Brunn, Wade Michael Page as recent examples).

87 Lidane  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:25:46pm

The GOP in a nutshell:

Image: voting_republican_sm.jpg

Hucksters like Beck get the bigots ranting about gays and women and minorities so they won’t notice that the GOP power structure are the ones fucking them over.

88 Mattand  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:25:53pm

re: #79 EPR-radar

There is some weapon grade BS in that linked article:

The phenomenon is apparent in much of the commentary on the George Zimmerman case. Facts were blithely ignored — the fact that Zimmerman is Hispanic, not white, by current standards; the evidence that he and not his victim, Trayvon Martin, was pummeled and wounded; the failure to find any hint of anti-black bias in Zimmerman’s past…

I had some people insist on the bolded above. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t his racism agains black people have a miles-long digital trail?

And again with the “Zimmerman is part Hispanic, so he can’t be racist” horseshit.

89 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:25:56pm

re: #85 freetoken

The GOP program of enstupidating the country proceeds apace. The last thing they want is any empirical investigation of cause and effect in US politics.

90 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:25:58pm

re: #85 freetoken

Heya. You said that we’re entering a Brave New World breakdown. The world in Brave New World wasn’t breaking down, it was perpetual. Do you mean we’re changing into a Brave New World scenario—Fordism?

91 erik_t  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:26:45pm

re: #79 EPR-radar

There is some weapon grade BS in that linked article:

the evidence that he and not his victim, Trayvon Martin, was pummeled and wounded

I think “dead” is a subset of “wounded”. Could be wrong.

92 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:27:06pm

re: #89 EPR-radar

The GOP program of enstupidating the country proceeds apace. The last thing they want is any empiracal investigation of cause and effect in US politics.

Enstupidating.
Heh.

93 Ian G.  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:27:37pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Considering that all the calls he made to the police regarding “suspcious persons” involved blacks, that’s a load of shit and Barone knows it but Barone’s a hack as is anyone who writes for the rag that is the National Review.

Most National Review writing on the south reminds of of the kind of crap the hard left used to write about Cuba in the 1960s. It’s from an alternate reality.

94 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:28:10pm

re: #91 erik_t

I think “dead” is a subset of “wounded”. Could be wrong.

RW calculus: dead ‘other’ much less important than minor injuries of (temporary) tribe member.

95 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:30:31pm

I. can’t. even.

96 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:35:13pm

re: #93 Ian G.

Most National Review writing on the south reminds of of the kind of crap the hard left used to write about Cuba in the 1960s. It’s from an alternate reality.

Yeah I highly doubt Mr. Barone has ever been south of Northern Virginia because if he had, he’d know that there are many people here who are still fighting the civil war(read people who still bitch about the “war of Northern AGression” and wave their Rebel flag high), resent the fact that the civil rights era legislation happened, and have no problem using racist languages to describe blacks and people of other races. Right wing pundits like Barone like to talk about how the south and rural areas have superior values compared to the coasts and cities but the irony is they’re often writing these diatribes from places like New York or Washington D.C. Things have gotten better here but Barone’s foolish.

97 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:37:13pm

Maybe this:

Is Glenn Beck Going BROKE? Filing Seeks $40 Million From Outsiders He Once Renounced

newscorpse.com

98 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:38:33pm

re: #90 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The transition speed required of individuals to keep up with changes to the world in which, say: sex can be purely recreational, and that we have the material goods to meet caloric needs (and thus the lack of food has nothing to do with the ability to produce) - yeah, I guess we are in a world that is as best described by “Fordism” - and so on, is causing some in our society a great deal of angst at the deepest level.

We are biologically hard wired to reproduce and to bond emotionally with a few, close people, and to treat the “others” as possible threats. Thousands of years of “culture” have partially overcome that, but change comes slowly.

Here is a news story from CBN today, promoting YEC:

New Creationism Evidence Found On American Soil

The geologist in that video is in full denial of the science of geology and geophysics. The question is, why? The answer I settled on is that his religious beliefs are too important in assuaging the deep anxiety of mortality and thus it is better to believe a beautiful lie than embrace a painful truth.

This human mechanism (of embracing what reassures us), I propose, lay behind so much of the atavism we see, not just YEC.

Beck can sell his hate because his audience has a desperate need to feel better - better about themselves, and to believe they are better than those others. So much of this atavistic audience already find themselves at a disadvantage against the highly educated and successful “elite”, and part of this racist outbreak I propose has as much to do about station in life as it does race.

99 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:38:38pm

Business Insider — unions

…Ideally, we would fix it by getting companies to voluntarily share more of their wealth with their employees. But the “shareholder value” religion has now been so thoroughly embraced that any suggestion of voluntary sharing is viewed as heresy.

100 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:39:01pm

re: #97 Justanotherhuman

Maybe this:

Is Glenn Beck Going BROKE? Filing Seeks $40 Million From Outsiders He Once Renounced

newscorpse.com

Maybe he shouldn’t be spending his dough on blood soaked handkerchiefs.

101 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:42:22pm

re: #81 OhNoZombies!

The longer working class folks feel economically insecure, the worse it’s going to get.
The problem is, they can’t get into their skulls that voting GOP is the cause of their frustration.
As my dad says, “…cutting off their nose to spite their face.”

True. Not to go all Godwin, but the Third Reich did not arise in a stable country with a prosperous, expanding middle class.

102 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:42:50pm

Presenting:
THE ANTI PRUDENCE

103 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:44:10pm

re: #98 freetoken

Is there a racist outbreak, though? Or is it just louder? I think the effects of racism have increased recently, with the GOP suppressing the vote, the increasing income inequality hitting blacks and Hispanics far harder than whites, the strikedown of the VRA, but that’s mostly coming from the political power structure. I’m not up on my statistics: what’s racism like in the younger generation?

104 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:44:26pm

The phenomenal hoarding of ammunition in recent years tells us a lot about the mindset of right wing doomsday preppers (as opposed to the ones who are just cautious about the future). It is not unusual for these people to have 50 or 100 thousand rounds stashed here and there. Some of them have millions. They not only think they will have to hold off marauding others, they think there will be hordes of them, and that they will be able to hold off these hordes if they only have enough bullets. There is some really bad craziness loose out there.

105 piratedan  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:45:10pm

well if Beck does get someone killed (probably some law enforcement officer getting ambushed), they’ll follow the same gameplan that Sistah Sarah employed post the Gifford’s assassination attempt and claim that they’re simply misunderstood and that their statements were out of concern, not to inspire the actions that they expounded.

106 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:48:01pm

re: #105 piratedan

well if Beck does get someone killed (probably some law enforcement officer getting ambushed), they’ll follow the same gameplan that Sistah Sarah employed post the Gifford’s assassination attempt and claim that they’re simply misunderstood and that their statements were out of concern, not to inspire the actions that they expounded.

The first rule of the Stochastic Terrorism Club is to maintain plausible deniability.

107 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:49:02pm

re: #105 piratedan

well if Beck does get someone killed (probably some law enforcement officer getting ambushed), they’ll follow the same gameplan that Sistah Sarah employed post the Gifford’s assassination attempt and claim that they’re simply misunderstood and that their statements were out of concern, not to inspire the actions that they expounded.

Of course, same thing happened with Brevik in Norway. The worst though is when they try to claim the person was “really” a leftist though. Like the guy who shot Giffords and those people in Tucson.

108 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:51:57pm

So, can we say that there are some people that Beck is appealing to that don’t view their own country favorably? Well, I suppose you could lump them right in there with countries like Egypt (16%) and Pakistan (11%) and Turkey (21%) that have a very low favorability rating for the US.

If you don’t appreciate diversity, I suppose the US is not the country for you.

109 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:53:00pm

re: #101 GeneJockey

True. Not to go all Godwin, but the Third Reich did not arise in a stable country with a prosperous, expanding middle class.

Yeah, nothing has changed much.
They hate the blacks, but still blame the Juice liberals.

110 piratedan  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:53:20pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

true that, Loughner was/is truly insane, and the links to the right wing hate radio were there but nothing that you could really associate blame with and so, it was dropped. Funny how Liberals are like that, no proof or enough facts in evidence, we move on. Not to say that Palin’s use of her symbolism wasn’t reprehensible or the behavior of those on the Right towards Ms. Giffords during and afterwards much better. Same state that wouldn’t discuss limiting clip size on the floor of the lege (because the timing was “insensitive”) in the same session passed a bill authorizing a state handgun.

111 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:53:37pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel

The phenomenal hoarding of ammunition in recent years tells us a lot about the mindset of right wing doomsday preppers (as opposed to the ones who are just cautious about the future). It is not unusual for these people to have 50 or 100 thousand rounds stashed here and there. Some of them have millions. They not only think they will have to hold off marauding others, they think there will be hordes of them, and that they will be able to hold off these hordes if they only have enough bullets. There is some really bad craziness loose out there.

I’m hard pressed to see how any rational person could think that, if he had to kill enough marauders to make a significant dent in a 1000 round stash, they’d come in at a rate that would allow him to reload before they overran him.

112 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:54:50pm

re: #108 Justanotherhuman

So, can we say that there are some people that Beck is appealing to that don’t view their own country favorably? Well, I suppose you could lump them right in there with countries like Egypt (16%) and Pakistan (11%) and Turkey (21%) that have a very low favorability rating for the US.

If you don’t appreciate diversity, I suppose the US is not the country for you.

He really does seem to hate this country. Of course, he always prefaces his shit by projecting his bullshit on to Obama and the “progressives” which he claims are the real hateful ones, the real ones who wish to see this country destroyed. I know many here aren’t big on libertarianism but I laugh my ass off when Glenn calls himself one. He’s too chicken shit to call himself right wing. Someone as opposed to immigration and gay rights like him can’t in any faith call themselves libertarian.

113 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:56:22pm

Gun nut survivalists are pretty cagey about how much ammo they have on hand, though. This is unusual given their typical penchant for boasting about their gun oriented possessions. They are apparently afraid that you, or someone you tell, will try to steal it from them if the proverbial stuff hits the fan. Apparently they can foresee this exchange:

“Hey, Jim Bob, we’re getting low on ammo.”
“Well, hell, Clem, that sucks. What do we do if the hordes show up?”
“That reminds me of a question I been wanting to ask. How many gangs in a horde, or is it the other way around?”
“Glenn Beck never mentioned that so how would I know? Now would you try to stay on the subject, Clem. How are we gonna get more ammo?”
“Say, I got an idea, Jim Bob. This crazy sumbitch I used to work with has something like 100,000 rounds stashed in his bunker!”
“That’s it! You ain’t so dumb after all! Let’s go take it from him.”

114 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:00:19pm

re: #103 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

My observation is that the wave of hate erupting in the professional propaganda media, after the election of Obama, was aimed at those who were feeling increasingly disfranchised economically. That’s why so much of the organizations like “Tea Parties” were done in rust belt states and coal states. The white-victimization stories were to develop an electorate to ensure that GOP candidates were in office, candidates who would act favorably towards their big donors.

Here in San Diego the population has always been diverse - remember this is where Spain discovered California. So my experience in southern California, and with younger people here, probably won’t apply much to many other places. Over all young people here, like everywhere, are more concerned with sex and popular entertainment than they are with carrying the weapons of the social wars of the older generation. My experience around here with younger people is now more limited than it was say 10 years ago, but whether at extension classes or just out shopping, my take is that young people are more into hedonism than anything else, and that’s not new. It’s not that there were never racial tensions in San Diego, but it seems to never really develop into anything.

It’s us older folk who start trying to manipulate in more sophisticated ways. Most of us are not in a position to really manipulate many others, but those who have some wealth will force their will via politicians. E.g., when Hedgecock rants on the air he is trying to do his buddies’ favors. These days, as everyone now knows, San Diego’s mayor has a sex-power problem, and it dominates the local talk. Matters of race don’t come up much in the media outlets here, outside of the undocumented worker problem.

115 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:00:28pm

So did y’all give up on Inez or is she still floating around these parts?

116 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:02:10pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

Gun nut survivalists are pretty cagey about how much ammo they have on hand, though. This is unusual given their typical penchant for boasting about their gun oriented possessions. They are apparently afraid that you, or someone you tell, will try to steal it from them if the proverbial stuff hits the fan. Apparently they can foresee this exchange:

“Hey, Jim Bob, we’re getting low on ammo.”
“Well, hell, Clem, that sucks. What do we do if the hordes show up?”
“That reminds me of a question I been wanting to ask. How many gangs in a horde, or is it the other way around?”
“Glenn Beck never mentioned that so how would I know? Now would you try to stay on the subject, Clem. How are we gonna get more ammo?”
“Say, I got an idea, Jim Bob. This crazy sumbitch I used to work with has something like 100,000 round stashed in his bunker!”
“That’s it! You ain’t so dumb after all! Let’s go take it from him.”

It is disturbing how well this conversation exemplifies GOP ‘governance’. 2 vs 1 creates a power imbalance which justifies theft.

117 darthstar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:04:25pm

BREAKING: 2007

118 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:05:53pm

I wonder if there were folks back in 1000 AD worrying about the collapse of society. Then again, how far was there to fall?

re: #116 EPR-radar

It is disturbing how well this conversation exemplifies GOP ‘governance’. 2 vs 1 creates a power imbalance which justifies theft.

More like justifies the fear of theft, or perhaps they fear it will justify theft.

119 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:13:02pm

re: #117 darthstar

BREAKING: 2007

[Embedded content]

In more Breaking News, Glenn Greenwald revealed that the War Department has acquired a machine which enables them to break the German codes.

120 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:13:36pm

The RWNJ expectation of marauding hordes reminds me of a sardonic joke from the Korean War. The “Chinese hordes” were a mainstay of western reporting on the war, as common a cliche as “bitterly cold” is today. The truth is that the Chinese, like everyone else, preferred to operate in squad and platoon size units, especially once the line had settled into stalemate. To do otherwise invited instant destruction by UN artillery and airpower. These accounts prompted GIs at the front to start asking “Hey, Sarge, how many hordes in a Chinese platoon?”

121 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:14:56pm

re: #118 GeneJockey

I wonder if there were folks back in 1000 AD worrying about the collapse of society. Then again, how far was there to fall?

By 1000 AD, things were staring to look up in Europe a bit. The best example of people seeing society collapse in slow motion and commenting on it is probably the fall of the Roman Empire.

122 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:15:07pm

This is America, 2013:

Prayer gets more attention than Alabama rate case

A five-minute prayer that opened a meeting of the state’s utility regulatory board has ended up getting more attention than the purpose of the day-long gathering — whether to lower the electric rates paid by customers of Alabama Power Co.

The opening prayer by Prattville Tea Party leader John Delvin Jordan has raised concerns from organizations inside and outside Alabama. Equality Alabama says the prayer marginalized gay and lesbian residents. The Freedom from Religion Foundation cites it as an example of why government bodies shouldn’t begin meetings with prayers.

The president of the Alabama Public Service Commission, who invited Jordan to pray, said she supports the commission’s long-standing tradition of opening prayers and they will continue.

“What our nation needs is more prayer, not less,” President Twinkle Andress Cavanaugh said Thursday.

The commission met July 17 for the last of a series of public hearings to discuss the rate structure of the state’s largest electric utility. But the more than 10 hours of testimony that day has received far less attention than Jordan’s prayer.

Jordan was at the commission meeting to participate in the hearing as a tea party leader. A member of East Memorial Baptist Church, he began his prayer by asking people to raise their hands if they believed in prayer, if they believed God answers prayer, and if they needed prayer.

Toward the end, he said, “God, we’ve taken you out of our schools. We’ve taken you out of our prayers. We’ve murdered your children. We’ve said it’s OK to have same-sex marriage, God. We have sinned.”

He asked those who were in agreement to say, “Amen.” Many did.


[…]

Because every state utility meeting ought to be camp meeting, no?

123 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:15:48pm

re: #119 GeneJockey

In other breaking news, Glenn has come into knowledge that a certain Native American language forms the basis of an unbreakable code.

124 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:17:53pm

re: #123 lawhawk

In other breaking news, Glenn has come into knowledge that a certain Native American language forms the basis of an unbreakable code.

“Excuse me, Stewardess. I speak Jive.”

125 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:18:37pm

re: #117 darthstar

BREAKING: 2007

[Embedded content]

Isn’t that sort of like this Youtube report from NPR, starring guys who haven’t been at the NSA for years, and which he’s flogging on his Twatter acct, about the same thing?

NSA Collects ‘Word for Word’ Every Domestic Communication
Youtube Video

126 Lancelot Link  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:18:38pm

I’m so, so tired of all these fake libertarian rabble-rousing Glenns.

127 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:18:55pm

re: #42 erik_t

Well it still makes more sense than the game of cricket.

/

I know that I’m not going to take a game seriously when two of the field positions have the word ‘silly’ in them.

128 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:19:19pm

re: #111 GeneJockey

I’m hard pressed to see how any rational person could think that, if he had to kill enough marauders to make a significant dent in a 1000 round stash, they’d come in at a rate that would allow him to reload before they overran him.

What creeps me out is the apparent expectation that the marauders would just keep coming after the kooks shoot dozens, indeed, hundreds, of them. They really think they will be dealing with sub-humans, like the walkers in the Walking Dead.

129 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:19:33pm

Is this the SAME Glenn Beck who got in big trouble, ultimately leading to him losing his Fox News show, for calling the POTUS a racist back in 2009?

130 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:20:34pm

From yesterday:

Bryant: ‘Divine responsibility’ to oppose abortion, protect prayer, guns

After focusing on education and job creation during his first two years in office, Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant says he will concentrate on public safety in 2014.

The Republican governor also says he has a “divine responsibility” to oppose abortion and to protect school prayer and gun ownership.

Bryant’s comments came Thursday during a speech at the Neshoba County Fair, an annual gathering known as Mississippi’s Giant Houseparty.

[…]

Party of God, indeed.

131 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:21:23pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

What creeps me out is the apparent expectation that the marauders would just keep coming after the kooks shoot dozens, indeed, hundreds, of them. They really think they will be dealing with sub-humans, like the walkers in the Walking Dead.

I guess they’re seeing a World War Z scenario, only to them it’s World War N.

132 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:22:23pm

Beck and his ilk won’t be happy until we have a dystopian future like that in “The Road”.

133 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:22:40pm

re: #130 freetoken

From yesterday:

Bryant: ‘Divine responsibility’ to oppose abortion, protect prayer, guns

Party of God, indeed.

divine responsibility to protect gun rights but not to improve the education and standard of living in one of our nation’s most poor states. Derpy derp Phil.

134 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:24:01pm

re: #114 freetoken

Yeah, I was looking for actual statistics. Here we go:

filipspagnoli.wordpress.com

It looks like racism is very clearly decreasing. The effects of racism are decreasing at a much slower rate.

I guess what I”m asking is why is Beck’s ranting about a race war a crazy conspiracy theory but you saying we’re entering Brave New World-ism (a society where people are genetically manipulated to be certain intelligence levels, a command economy rules the world, and the populace is supplied with a heroin/prozac-like drug) is sensible?

Unless by “Brave New World” you think that Brave New World was an allegory.

135 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:24:01pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

What creeps me out is the apparent expectation that the marauders would just keep coming after the kooks shoot dozens, indeed, hundreds, of them. They really think they will be dealing with sub-humans, like the walkers in the Walking Dead.

Nicely put. Earlier in the thread I was trying to put my finger on the political subtext of the zombie literature, and I think you’ve nailed it.

136 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:25:48pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel

The phenomenal hoarding of ammunition in recent years tells us a lot about the mindset of right wing doomsday preppers (as opposed to the ones who are just cautious about the future). It is not unusual for these people to have 50 or 100 thousand rounds stashed here and there. Some of them have millions. They not only think they will have to hold off marauding others, they think there will be hordes of them, and that they will be able to hold off these hordes if they only have enough bullets. There is some really bad craziness loose out there.

I’d just like a small pile to go to the bleeping range once in awhile. Sheesh.

137 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:26:09pm

re: #134 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, I was looking for actual statistics. Here we go:

filipspagnoli.wordpress.com

It looks like racism is very clearly decreasing. The effects of racism are decreasing at a much slower rate.

I guess what I”m asking is why is Beck’s ranting about a race war a crazy conspiracy theory but you saying we’re entering Brave New World-ism (a society where people are genetically manipulated to be certain intelligence levels, a command economy rules the world, and the populace is supplied with a heroin/prozac-like drug) is sensible?

Unless by “Brave New World” you think that Brave New World was an allegory.

Personally, I think it’s more like Idiocracy than Brave New World.

138 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:27:25pm

re: #111 GeneJockey

I’m hard pressed to see how any rational person could think that, if he had to kill enough marauders to make a significant dent in a 1000 round stash, they’d come in at a rate that would allow him to reload before they overran him.

Two things, variable levels of creepiness built in:

One, the competency fantasy demands that everyone else be unable to cope and/or antagonistic, so that the person indulging in the fantasy can be that much more a special snowflake. In the case of the race war fantasy, this becomes all the more exaggerated as a way to confirm the racism of the fantasist as valid.

Two, white racism has always included the idea of other races as existential threat, and thus has a long history of active violence characterized as defense. Built into the “mow down the brown hordes” fantasy, there’s likely the same kind of double talk.

The guy piling up all that ammo really isn’t just thinking about defending himself. He’s cooked up a worldview where:

1. All brown people are a threat, individually and collectively.
2. Any interaction with a specific brown person is likely to result in violence, because of (1)
3. Therefore, proactive violence against brown people is actually self-defense.

It’s the same mountebank logic you have to apply when dealing with anti-government militia types. Their definition of “government” is pretty much anybody they don’t like.

139 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:28:46pm

re: #137 GeneJockey

Personally, I think it’s more like Idiocracy than Brave New World.

My take on the GOP goal is mainly Idiocracy, with a few bits of 1984 thrown in to spice things up. If nothing else, Brave New World is too rational and planned to satisfy the howler monkeys of the GOP base.

140 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:29:07pm

re: #136 William Barnett-Lewis

I’d just like a small pile to go to the bleeping range once in awhile. Sheesh.

No kidding. I finally held my nose and paid 7.99 each for 5 boxes of CCI Stingers. This is twice what they were a year ago, but by far the best deal I’ve seen recently. Otherwise my hard earned shooting skills are going to go the way of my bushy hair.

141 darthstar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:30:52pm

The best part about 2007 is that nobody had heard of Sarah Palin in the contiguous 48.

142 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:31:05pm

re: #134 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Unless by “Brave New World” you think that Brave New World was an allegory.

Not so much an allegory, but rather a type, as a representation, of what we are experiencing today. We really are highly manipulated by well trained specialists in propaganda and all the arts of persuasion.

The white-grievance and race war stuff from Beck and others are examples of this manipulation, by those who can profit off of the angst and fear.

143 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:31:29pm

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

So did y’all give up on Inez or is she still floating around these parts?

— Inez Feltscher (@InezFeltscher) August 2, 2013

144 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:31:33pm

re: #139 EPR-radar

My take on the GOP goal is mainly Idiocracy, with a few bits of 1984 thrown in to spice things up. If nothing else, Brave New World is too rational and planned to satisfy the howler monkeys of the GOP base.

The big difference between the GOP goal and Idiocracy is that in Idiocracy there was no smart, rich, manipulative elite using the fears of the common folk for their own ends. Even the President of Brawndo was a moron.

145 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:33:43pm

re: #144 GeneJockey

The big difference between the GOP goal and Idiocracy is that in Idiocracy there was no smart, rich, manipulative elite using the fears of the common folk for their own ends. Even the President of Brawndo was a moron.

True. I should have referred more specifically to the goal of the GOP base.

146 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:33:52pm

re: #141 darthstar

The best part about 2007 is that nobody had heard of Sarah Palin in the contiguous 48.

I turned 50, and rode my first (and so far only) Century. But yeah, in retrospect, never having to hear that stupid woman talk was actually better.

147 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:34:14pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

148 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:34:34pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

No kidding. I finally held my nose and paid 7.99 each for 5 boxes of CCI Stingers. This is twice what they were a year ago, but by far the best deal I’ve seen recently. Otherwise my hard earned shooting skills are going to go the way of my bushy hair.

Tell me about it. I recently bought a never fired Norinco SKS (Late GHWBush admin import). I have yet to be able to find any ammo to fix that problem. Thanks nutjobs!

149 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:35:06pm

nevermind

150 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:35:12pm

DERP. WHO CAUSED THE GREAT DEPRESSION INEZ?

151 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:35:47pm

Okay, now it’s clear she’d not for real.

152 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:36:15pm

BECAUSE DADDY WON’T PAY THE RENT ON THE $1400 APARTMENT

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:36:16pm

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

DERP. WHO CAUSED THE GREAT DEPRESSION INEZ?

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One was ignorant. The other gave his friends too many positions of power before dying in office.

154 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:37:06pm

I JUST CAN’T EVEN

155 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:38:06pm

Y U NOT RETWEETING TEH ANTI PRUDENCE? I CAN HAZ MOAR RETWEETS?

156 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:38:07pm

re: #142 freetoken

Not so much an allegory, but rather a type, as a representation, of what we are experiencing today. We really are highly manipulated by well trained specialists in propaganda and all the arts of persuasion.

Advertisers don’t actually have much of a clue if what they’re doing actually works or not. This kind of stuff is really difficult to measure.

The white-grievance and race war stuff from Beck and others are examples of this manipulation, by those who can profit off of the angst and fear.

Well, yeah. I just don’t get where you think this racist cottage industry somehow brings about a move to a population under control by drugs, genetically manipulated into different intelligence groups, and under a command economy.

Brave New World is a really, really, really extreme thing to claim we’re entering, and the main setup of Brave New World was one of total benevolence, not hate. The Alphas didn’t fear or hate the Deltas. So it seems like a pretty contradictory example to use when talking about incitement of race hatred. That society was completely complacent.

157 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:38:23pm

re: #153 William Barnett-Lewis

One was ignorant. The other gave his friends too many positions of power before dying in office.

Seriously just about the only good thing Harding did was condemn lynching. Other than that I’m lost to find anything good to say about his presidency. Coolidge was awful too. Signing the quota on immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe is bad enough and then you look at his economic policies which led to the depression. Hoover may actually be the best of the 1920’s presidents which is really saying something.

158 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:38:25pm

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

Wow. Harding as a great president? That’s sad, even for a wingnut moron.

usnews.com

He was an ineffectual and indecisive leader who played poker while his friends plundered the U.S. treasury

The linked article has Harding as second worst, behind only Buchanan in the annals of failure.

159 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:38:56pm

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

I JUST CAN’T EVEN

Got news for Charlie Rangel: HIS party is the one full of the white crackers who opposed civil rights.

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She fails to mention that all those racist Dems are either long dead or have gone over to the Republicans (Rick Perry for example).

160 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:39:19pm

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

I JUST CAN’T EVEN

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Which your party happily embraced in order to get their votes. Also he was first elected in 1970 and born in 1929.. He knows who was fighting for civil rights and who wasn’t.

161 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:40:19pm

re: #158 EPR-radar

Wow. Harding as a great president? That’s sad, even for a wingnut moron.

usnews.com

The linked article has Harding as second worst, behind only Buchanan in the annals of failure.

Yeah Buchanan may be the only president worse than Harding. I mean Coolidge I can see why a right winger would like him but Harding?!?!

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:40:22pm

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

I JUST CAN’T EVEN

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They keep saying it so desperately - I doubt even they believe it but it’s what the bosses say they have to say so they do it.

163 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:41:01pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Seriously just about the only good thing Harding did was condemn lynching. Other than that I’m lost to find anything good to say about his presidency. Coolidge was awful too. Signing the quota on immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe is bad enough and then you look at his economic policies which led to the depression. Hoover may actually be the best of the 1920’s presidents which is really saying something.

Bolded for truth.

164 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:41:40pm

Just got this email: :(

SECURITY ADVISORY
26 Menachem Av 5773
2 August 2013

Dear Shluchim שיחיו,

Today the US State Department issued a worldwide travel alert concerning potential overseas terrorist attacks. Due to these potential threats, 18 U.S. Embassies and Consulates have been closed for the upcoming weekend.

We urge all of our centers around the world to be on high alert, especially those in the Mideast and North Africa We encourage you to maintain a heightened awareness when out in public and in and around your Chabad House.

165 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:42:55pm

They’re all Derping the Same Derp in Unison
It’s a drug, Kochaine.

166 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:43:06pm

re: #156 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Advertisers don’t actually have much of a clue if what they’re doing actually works or not. This kind of stuff is really difficult to measure.

Gun and ammo manufacturers have discovered what works, and it works really, really well.

Again, by invocation of Brave New World I didn’t mean it as literally as you’re taking it.

167 darthstar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:43:29pm
168 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:43:39pm

re: #165 Vicious Babushka

They’re all Derping the Same Derp in Unison
It’s a drug, Kochaine.

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Jesus Christ! That zombie lie won’t die!

169 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:43:47pm

re: #98 freetoken

The geologist in that video is in full denial of the science of geology and geophysics. The question is, why? The answer I settled on is that his religious beliefs are too important in assuaging the deep anxiety of mortality and thus it is better to believe a beautiful lie than embrace a painful truth.

Highly recommended on this subject is George R. R. Martin’s short story, The Way of The Cross and The Dragon.

In it Martin posits a secret religious organization called ‘Liars’. They’ve been around forever and create wonderful lies for people because the universe is often a dark and scary place.

Specifically in this story they made a saint out of Judas Iscariot, and they did a damned fine job of it too.

The story had an enormous effect on my perception.

170 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:45:47pm

re: #165 Vicious Babushka

They’re all Derping the Same Derp in Unison
It’s a drug, Kochaine.

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I’d ask him why Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, and countless others switched to the Republican Party and why the South readily accepted Barry Goldwater in 1964 against a native son. It couldn’t possibly be that LBJ signed the Civil Rigths Act of 1964 and Goldwater voted against it. Seriously, I’m fine with Republicans taking pride in their party’s past on civil rights but acting like the dixiecrats who opposed civil rights were liberals simply because they were democrats and ignoring the fact that many of them did in fact become Republicans is revisionist horse shit.

171 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:46:48pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

I’d ask him why Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, and countless others switched to the Republican Party and why the South readily accepted Barry Goldwater in 1964 against a native son. It couldn’t possibly be that LBJ signed the Civil Rigths Act of 1964 and Goldwater voted against it. Seriously, I’m fine with Republicans taking pride in their party’s past on civil rights but acting like the dixiecrats who opposed civil rights were liberals simply because they were democrats and ignoring the fact that many of them did in fact become Republicans is revisionist horse shit.

HURR HURR LBJ SAID TEH N WORD!!11 AND HE GAVE TEH N-WORDS FREE STUFF!!111 AND THEY SWITCHED PARTIES CAUSE THEY ALL LOVE FREE STUFF!!11!!

172 jaunte  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:47:28pm

re: #165 Vicious Babushka

They’re all Derping the Same Derp in Unison
It’s a drug, Kochaine.

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There must be a ‘historic revisionism of the week’ mass email.

173 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:48:30pm

Why did MLK always vote the Democratic ticket?

HURR HURR LIBRUL LIES!!11 STANFORD IS LIBRUL COLLEGE FULL UV LIBRUL LIES!!111

174 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:48:49pm

Gov.uk travel advice, Egypt: gov.uk

Yemen: gov.uk

175 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:48:55pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

I’d ask him why Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, and countless others switched to the Republican Party and why the South readily accepted Barry Goldwater in 1964 against a native son. It couldn’t possibly be that LBJ signed the Civil Rigths Act of 1964 and Goldwater voted against it. Seriously, I’m fine with Republicans taking pride in their party’s past on civil rights but acting like the dixiecrats who opposed civil rights were liberals simply because they were democrats and ignoring the fact that many of them did in fact become Republicans is revisionist horse shit.

Historical revision seems to be an essential part of the GOP/conservative world view these days.

Pathetic. And dangerous.

176 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:48:56pm

re: #171 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR LBJ SAID TEH N WORD!!11 AND HE GAVE TEH N-WORDS FREE STUFF!!111 AND THEY SWITCHED PARTIES CAUSE THEY ALL LOVE FREE STUFF!!11!!

And somehow, saying that blacks vote Democratic because they want free stuff isn’t racist.

177 Tigger2005  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:49:07pm

re: #168 Varek Raith

Jesus Christ! That zombie lie won’t die!

It doesn’t do any good to correct them. They are not people who care about facts. They believe whatever they want to believe. I guess it feels enormously freeing to abandon stupid things like reason and insisting on evidence and just yell “Geronimo!!!” and cannonball down into the rabbit hole.

178 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:49:15pm

re: #166 freetoken

Gun and ammo manufacturers have discovered what works, and it works really, really well.

Again, by invocation of Brave New World I didn’t mean it as literally as you’re taking it.

I don’t see any similarities at all to Brave New World. Could you elucidate them? Because I really don’t see any. Propaganda isn’t even a main focus of Brave New World, because they directly implant behavior on people using a physical technique.

179 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:50:05pm

They seem to want to ignore the fact that the Republicans who did champion civil rights were usually liberal or moderate ones and likewise the democrats who opposed civil rights were usually conservative ones. Civil rights was about liberalism read moving forward and getting rid of way outdated and useless laws segregating the laws and conservatism read keeping the old ways. I’d ask numbnuts to read up on the conservative coaltion- the group of conservative Republicans and southern Democrats who dominated Congress from 1937-1964.

180 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:51:28pm

re: #176 GeneJockey

And somehow, saying that blacks vote Democratic because they want free stuff isn’t racist.

I want to smack someone everytime I hear someone say “Oh you/they only are voting for them because you/they want free stuff.” Really so is the military “free stuff”, our police and fire departments, etc. These people have no concept of the social contract.

181 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:51:28pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

They seem to want to ignore the fact that the Republicans who did champion civil rights were usually liberal or moderate ones and likewise the democrats who opposed civil rights were usually conservative ones. Civil rights was about liberalism read moving forward and getting rid of way outdated and useless laws segregating the laws and conservatism read keeping the old ways. I’d ask numbnuts to read up on the conservative coaltion- the group of conservative Republicans and southern Democrats who dominated Congress from 1937-1964.

Oh no, a fact!. Facts! I’m melting!! My beautiful face!!

182 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:52:27pm

re: #177 Tigger2005

It doesn’t do any good to correct them. They are not people who care about facts. They believe whatever they want to believe. I guess it feels enormously freeing to abandon stupid things like reason and insisting on evidence and just yell “Geronimo!!!” and cannonball down into the rabbit hole.

Harry Frankfurt’s ‘On Bullshit’ describes the difference between bullshitting and lying. Liars know the truth, and knowlingly try to convince you otherwise. Bullshitters don’t care if that they tell you is true or not, so long as it works.

The Daily Derp Tsunami is textbook Bullshit.

183 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:52:28pm

I wonder if Bryan Fischer knows he’s closer to Fidel Castro on LGBT rights than David Cameron.

184 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:52:51pm

This “democrats are racist” meme is giving them the moral high ground to unleash whatever shit they have lined up for their perceived enemies. Like baby killers, moochers, parasites, communists etc.

185 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:53:34pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

I want to smack someone everytime I hear someone say “Oh you/they only are voting for them because you/they want free stuff.” Really so is the military “free stuff”, our police and fire departments, etc. These people have no concept of the social contract.

Meanwhile the tax breaks for the rich that are the only position the GOP consistently holds these days are somehow not giveaways to their supporters.

186 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:55:43pm

They claim that the Democrats were the party of the Klan too but this too is a lie. Yes, the early Klan was mainly full of Democrats but the Klan at its peak had people from both parties in it and in 1928 the Klan essentially endorsed Hoover because Democrat Al Smith was Catholic. And Klan dominated Indiana was run by Republicans. Neither party has an unblemished history on civil rights issues. However, only one party has continued to make progress on the issue and only one party continues to stay in the past on the issue. I’d like to know what the Republican Party has done for civil rights in the years since the CRA of 1964 was passed.

187 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:55:47pm

re: #185 EPR-radar

Meanwhile the tax breaks for the rich that are the only position the GOP consistently holds these days are somehow not giveaways to their supporters.

Because a tax cut is letting them keep ‘their own money’.

Unless it’s a tax cut going to Teh Poors. Then it’s ‘Buying their votes with free stuff.’

188 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:56:08pm

re: #178 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Propaganda isn’t even a main focus of Brave New World, because they directly implant behavior on people using a physical technique.

We’ll get there:

False memories implanted in mice

To me, the heart of a Brave New World is a society that has been designed by directly designing humans to be what was wanted.

Sorting of humans into groups, and then exploiting that for other ends by those with privilege, is old, but we keep inventing new ways of doing it. Today we use propaganda, but that includes more than words (such as colors, smells, sounds). And yes, it would not surprise me if someday we do it more directly, genetically or with augmentation.

189 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:56:26pm

re: #185 EPR-radar

Meanwhile the tax breaks for the rich that are the only position the GOP consistently holds these days are somehow not giveaways to their supporters.

No kidding. Making it easier for a poor college student to pay tutition is a handout but lowering the wealthiest .01%’s taxes is just rewarding “our providers.”

190 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:01:07pm

re: #188 freetoken

To me, the heart of a Brave New World is a society that has been designed by directly designing humans to be what was wanted.

What we have right now is one of the most desperately unplanned messes of a society ever. Kind of like almost all civilizations, but a little bit more so, because of our commitment to individualism.

Sorting of humans into groups, and then exploiting that for other ends by those with privilege, is old, but we keep inventing new ways of doing it. Today we use propaganda, but that includes more than words (such as colors, smells, sounds). And yes, it would not surprise me if someday we do it more directly, genetically or with augmentation.

Okay, but we’re not doing that yet. The Brave New World thing is just confusing, because there aren’t really any analogies unless you really, really, really, really stretch it. As you say, dividing up groups and exploiting them isn’t new.

And it really doesn’t make sense to say “Brave New World breakdown”, because the society in Brave New World was absolutely stable and the society was not precipitated by a breakdown, but by gradual increase.

191 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:01:26pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

No kidding. Making it easier for a poor college student to pay tutition is a handout but lowering the wealthiest .01%’s taxes is just rewarding “our providers.”

THEY’RE THE JOB CRATERS CREATORS!!!!

192 b.d.  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:02:47pm

OK, this is fucking scary.

Listen to this story:

1) I typed the word pizza into the Google
2) Some stuff happened
3) This guy (possibly FBI or NSA) showed up at my door with. a. pizza.

I will not be talking to reporters.

Thanks Obama.

194 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:03:11pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

I was reading a comments section, I don’t remember which paper it was, but there was a RW guy who declared that the only handout he ever took was from the G.I. Bill.
I guess it’s the same as calling receiving unemployment benefits a handout.
SMH.

195 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:04:04pm
196 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:04:12pm

re: #191 GeneJockey

THEY’RE THE JOB CRATERS CREATORS!!!!

You know, it used to be that businessmen would use tax cuts and invest it in their product or service. Now it just seems like many of them like to pull a Mitt Romney and stash their money overseas. That’s certainly their legal right but it makes me unsympathetic to them when they complain about their taxes when they have so much income stored overseas or when they’re making considerably more than the average worker.

197 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:04:29pm

re: #165 Vicious Babushka

They’re all Derping the Same Derp in Unison
It’s a drug, Kochaine.

Bryan Fischer
Hey, Charlie Rangel: the “white crackers” who opposed civil rights were Democrats. You could look it up.

IOW: “Hey, what the hell would you, a black guy know about who the racists are?”

198 jaunte  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:04:34pm

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

And “clothes.”

199 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:05:23pm

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

I JUST CAN’T EVEN

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Does Inez know about her LGF notoriety? She’d probably freak! Or sign up.

200 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:05:36pm

re: #198 jaunte

And “clothes.”

and they have microwaves too. What’s the world coming too! Yeah poor in this country is different than it is in say the third world but make no mistake, it’s still tough being poor.

201 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:05:44pm

re: #192 b.d.

OK, this is fucking scary.

Listen to this story:

1) I typed the word pizza into the Google
2) Some stuff happened
3) This guy (possibly FBI or NSA) showed up at my door with. a. pizza.

I will not be talking to reporters.

Thanks Obama.

Did you find you had no money, and had to find *ahem* another way to pay for the pizza?
//

202 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:06:30pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

and they have microwaves too. What’s the world coming too! Yeah poor in this country is different than it is in say the third world but make no mistake, it’s still tough being poor.

TEH POORS IN AMERICA R TEH 1%!!1 TEH AFP SAID SO!!!!11

203 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:06:51pm

Nobody is retweeting TEH ANTI PRUDENCE. I haz a sad. :(

204 b.d.  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:07:57pm

re: #201 GeneJockey

Did you find you had no money, and had to find *ahem* another way to pay for the pizza?
//

He pet my dog!!!1!

205 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:08:48pm

re: #193 Vicious Babushka

I’m wondering if Dr. Ben Carson is really as batshit crazy as Prudence wants him to be.

I’m gonna reserve judgement and do a little research.
I have a feeling we’re not getting the full picture of the Dr.

206 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:09:07pm

I’m not in favor of weakening the rich. I’m in favor of giving more people a chance to become rich. The right’s system is to have an oligarchy where you have to be content with your social station. If you’re born into a poor family but have a smart enough mind to attend college, it’s tough shit because I CAN’T BE BOTHERED TO HELP PAY SOMEONE’s TUITION. But yet we can spend in their eyes spend more than the rest of the other top ten countries combined on defense expenditures and that’s not a concern at all. So next time a conservative tells you about government waste, ask them why they’re not for defense spending cuts or why conservative politicians are always eager for more prisons to be built.

207 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:11:11pm

re: #205 OhNoZombies!

I’m gonna reserve judgement and do a little research.
I have a feeling we’re not getting the full picture of the Dr.

He is a product of TEH LIBRUL DETROIT PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

I don’t know who paid for his medical school.

208 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:12:43pm
209 jaunte  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:18:24pm

In a memorably noxious moment last session, Hamilton went to the back microphone on the House floor to ask state Rep. Marisa Marquez, a large-chested Democrat from El Paso, a question during a debate over whether to provide funds for a tramway at Franklin Mountains State Park. Smirking, Hamilton asked Marquez, “Will the young lady yield?”

After she said yes, Hamilton said: “Young lady, would you please tell us why your mountains are better than any of our mountains and are they man-made or are they real mountains?”
texasobserver.org

210 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:19:09pm

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

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That makes me think that if I did twitter I’d probably do this:

#ThingsYouMightHearALiberalSay Micah 6:8

211 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:21:24pm

re: #209 jaunte

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mountains? Jeez if you’re going to be a sexist dick, just cut to the chase and say your tits look fake.

212 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:23:15pm
213 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:23:31pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

There’s a deeper, more insidious belief system at work. They believe The Free Market (All Hail The Free Market!) rewards the worthy, and punishes the unworthy. Thus, anyone who becomes rich deserves that wealth (except ball players, and most of them are…well, you know), and the poor deserve their poverty (and most of them are…well, you know).

They believe that if they can rise from their humble beginnings in middle class white neighborhoods to their current place in middle class white neighborhoods, that means ANYONE can aspire to such a place in society, and thus every single person who doesn’t live at least as well as they must not have tried hard enough. They deserve not only their miserable lot, but our contempt for not accomplishing more.

They also believe that it’s no harder to rise economically today than it was when they were young and that there are plenty of jobs.

SIMULTANEOUSLY, they believe because Obama is President that the economy is in the crapper and there are no jobs, and no raises.

214 Major Tom  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:23:45pm

Jesus, I’m listening to it now. So much projection.

215 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:27:38pm

Piece of Jesus’ cross found in Turkey, archaeologists say

Archaeologists working at an ancient church in Turkey think they’ve unearthed a piece of the world’s most famous cross, the one used to crucify Jesus.

They found a stone chest during excavation at a 1,350-year-old church, and the chest had a number of relics inside believed to be associated with the crucifixion, a historian at Turkey’s Mimar Sinan University of Fine Arts tells the Hurriyet Daily News.

“We have found a holy thing in a chest,” she says. “It is a piece of a cross,” and they think it’s from the cross.

The entire chest is now undergoing lab tests, reports NBC News. Researchers aren’t sure who owned the chest, but it was probably a religious person of some importance, and that person apparently believed the cross relic was the real deal.

The lab tests should shed some light on the possibility, though NBC adds a little context courtesy of theologian John Calvin. He once joked that if all the supposed pieces of the cross in the world were collected in one place, “they would make a big shipload.”

216 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:28:32pm

re: #209 jaunte

Words fail me. And the bastard probably thought he was being clever, even complimentary.

217 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:29:12pm

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan

Piece of Jesus’ cross found in Turkey, archaeologists say

So they found a piece of wood in some chest.

218 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:29:32pm

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan

Oy. Stupid shit like that hurts the rabbi so badly it makes me hurt.

219 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:29:40pm

re: #217 Gus

So they found a piece of wood in some chest.

Yup.

220 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:30:04pm

re: #219 NJDhockeyfan

Yup.

He once joked that if all the supposed pieces of the cross in the world were collected in one place, “they would make a big shipload.”

221 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:30:52pm

re: #220 Gus

Y U NOT RETWEET TEH ANTI PRUDENCE?

222 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:31:11pm

Look!

What?

Wood!

And?

You know what this means!? It’s a piece of wood from Jesus’ cross!

223 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:31:34pm
224 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:31:47pm

re: #221 Vicious Babushka

Y U NOT RETWEET TEH ANTI PRUDENCE?

What’s that?

225 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:31:51pm

re: #220 Gus

He once joked that if all the supposed pieces of the cross in the world were collected in one place, “they would make a big shipload.”

Nah. I’m sure that the practice of selling worthless trinkets as valuable antiquities to gullible foreigners was invented AFTER 1350.
//

226 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:32:12pm

re: #222 Gus

Look!

What?

Wood!

And?

You know what this means!? It’s a piece of wood from Jesus’ cross!

Lets sell it on eBay!

227 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:32:15pm

re: #224 Gus

What’s that?

228 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:32:21pm

re: #217 Gus

So they found a piece of wood in some chest.

Actually, the report I saw (NBC, I think) said they didn’t even know if it was wood, and that it might be a piece of bone.

229 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:32:36pm

Jesus looked at this same sky. I’ll sell you his favorite sun ray for 2 grand.

230 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:33:00pm

Ok. The good Dr. Is an Evangelical and anti-LBGT rights like so many older black-folks I know.
He left the “plantation” cause he can afford to do so.
When he retires, he wants a TV show…

231 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:33:24pm

re: #227 Vicious Babushka

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Done. Been on the stinky 4G card up until 5 minutes ago.

232 b.d.  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:33:52pm

The government issued a heat advisory warning here for the rest of the weekend.

I think it is a false flag diversion to keep us from talking about the NSA and Benghazi.

233 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:34:01pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Jesus looked at this same sky. I’ll sell you his favorite sun ray for 2 grand.

Does it come with a letter of authenticity?

234 Tigger2005  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:34:45pm

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan

Piece of Jesus’ cross found in Turkey, archaeologists say

Jesus was a dying/rising savior god who in original “Christian” theology never came to Earth…in fact his being born a human being would have defeated his purpose, his death and resurrection would no longer have salvific properties. According to Paul Jesus was crucified by the archons, the demon spirits of the lower heavens, not by the Romans. There is no Cross, no nails, no spear, no cup, no shroud, no tomb.

235 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:34:53pm

re: #225 GeneJockey

Meanwhile, on the Muslim Side of things, we have sites and historical pieces being destroyed by the Saudi state. Because the Saudi Royal Family scum say it is “Idolatrous.” They then replace these sites, some of which were mosques built by the Prophet’s (PBUH) Companions with royal palaces and massive, grotesque hotels.

The only idolatry I see is from the Saudi family. And it is the idolatry of self and the idolatry of money.

236 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:35:08pm

Oh. ICYMI


Derp. Derp. Derp.

237 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:35:30pm

Sca dv@rsxfq bangsgvaaZ

that’s what i said, but nobody ever listens to me

238 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:36:25pm

Shouldn’t teenagers be in school? I mean really, why is this even an issue?

239 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:37:41pm

Fox “scooped” that dumb ‘potty mouth’ ‘story’ from Glenn Beck’s The Blaze. Also…

240 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:37:46pm

re: #238 Vicious Babushka

Shouldn’t teenagers be in school? I mean really, why is this even an issue?

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18 & 19?

241 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:37:54pm

DERP

242 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:37:59pm

re: #237 engineer cat

Sca dv@rsxfq bangsgvaaZ

that’s what i said, but nobody ever listens to me

If you looked like Soledad O’Brien, I’d listen to you. Or at least pretend to.

243 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:38:37pm

re: #240 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

18 & 19?

THEY SHOULD BE IN TEH MILITARY!!111

244 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:38:42pm

re: #238 Vicious Babushka

Shouldn’t teenagers be in school? I mean really, why is this even an issue?

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No they should be janitors! But yeah. I had a part time job when I was 16 but I didn’t need it. My priority was primarily on school.

245 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:39:32pm

Piece of Jesus’ cross found in Turkey, archaeologists say

i was wondering what p t barnum was doing these days…

246 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:39:48pm

re: #240 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

18 & 19?

college age. I actually didn’t work while I was in college because my primary focus was doing as well as possible in school.

247 StephenMeansMe  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:40:38pm

I’m pretty sure when people (ha, let’s be honest, White racists) say “race war” they really mean this with a dash of this thrown in.

248 piratedan  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:42:31pm

re: #241 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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good one more wingnut rejected at the polls

249 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:42:55pm
250 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:43:03pm

Obama doesn’t care about black kids.
Er, wait, Obama doesn’t want them to work, to create discord and fighting in the inner city, thereby cultivating an army for you know what…
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Now my head hurts.

251 klys  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:43:37pm

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

This is what I made for Shabbos.

Save me some! It’s my birthday Sunday.

252 b.d.  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:46:19pm

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

This is what I made for Shabbos.

Damn

253 b.d.  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:46:39pm

re: #251 klys

Happy early birthday

254 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:47:55pm

re: #234 Tigger2005

Jesus was a dying/rising savior god who in original “Christian” theology never came to Earth…in fact his being born a human being would have defeated his purpose, his death and resurrection would no longer have salvific properties. According to Paul Jesus was crucified by the archons, the demon spirits of the lower heavens, not by the Romans. There is no Cross, no nails, no spear, no cup, no shroud, no tomb.

Uhm, no. There was always a certain aspect of the whole incarnation as far back as you can go. It may well still be as mythical as Shiva’s incarnation and/or avatars but he was still seen as having walked as a human upon earth. There are a huge fucking library of arguments over just what that means in the early Christian literature.

Disclosure: I have a personal set of beliefs and most of them are based on a belief in God, Jesus as at least a human messiah but not necessarily in an afterlife. Take my religious pondering as you will.

255 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:48:41pm

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

This is what I made for Shabbos.

I would be so honored to eat at your table on even a slow night :)

256 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:50:00pm

re: #247 StephenMeansMe

I’m pretty sure when people (ha, let’s be honest, White racists) say “race war” they really mean this with a dash of this thrown in.

More something like this, as long as there’s none of this.

257 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:50:08pm

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

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Fuck you, Tom. This is not 1950. Yes, I’m “poor” but I have all 3. But I remember the old days when I had to wash my laundry in the bathtub, too, and didn’t have a car. I’d like to see you survive on a $1K SS check, my only income, you twit.

258 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:51:19pm

I just figured out why my nephew did not go to atheist camp with his sister this year, and took a road trip to Baltimore instead: BronyCon.

259 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:51:47pm

re: #257 Justanotherhuman

Fuck you, Tom. This is not 1950. Yes, I’m “poor” but I have all 3. But I remember the old days when I had to wash my laundry in the bathtub, too, and didn’t have a car. I’d like to see you survive on a $1K SS check, my only income, you twit.

1950, hell! The position of many on the Right is that if you’re not literally starving, you’re not poor.

260 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:52:18pm

re: #258 wrenchwench

I just figured out why my nephew did not go to atheist camp with his sister this year, and took a road trip to Baltimore instead: BronyCon.

I don’t get Bronys.

261 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:53:39pm

re: #259 GeneJockey

1950, hell! The position of many on the Right is that if you’re not literally starving, you’re not poor.

Right. I remember some twit on Fox News mocking the poor because around 93% of poverty level households own a microwave.

262 klys  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:53:47pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

I don’t get Bronys.

Neither do I, but since I have my own quirky interests I figure I’m not one to judge. :)

263 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:54:47pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

I don’t get Bronys.

My sons went through a brief Brony stage. They got better.

264 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:54:58pm

re: #234 Tigger2005

Jesus was a dying/rising savior god who in original “Christian” theology never came to Earth…in fact his being born a human being would have defeated his purpose, his death and resurrection would no longer have salvific properties. According to Paul Jesus was crucified by the archons, the demon spirits of the lower heavens, not by the Romans. There is no Cross, no nails, no spear, no cup, no shroud, no tomb.

He wrote, mythicistically…

re: #254 William Barnett-Lewis

… There are a huge fucking library of arguments over just what that means in the early Christian literature.

….

The whole origin of Christianity debate I find interesting and I believe it does impact on our society today.

Our politics definitely have religious components, and I don’t think we can really avoid that.

265 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:55:42pm
266 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:56:16pm

re: #262 klys

Neither do I, but since I have my own quirky interests I figure I’m not one to judge. :)

Yeah I don’t judge either. It’s just funny.

267 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:58:21pm

re: #265 Gus

He’s still a heel.

268 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:00:26pm

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Tom Janoski @tsj_washington

90% of “poor” people have a TV, a phone, and a PC.

…which they are busy using to try and figure out how to get a job, or how they could possibly afford to send their kids to college in a day and age where it costs $40k/yr minimum, and how they could ever retire when even people making above the $55k u.s. median family income can’t manage it

why doesn’t professor janoski get out the calculator and check to see if he could afford his phd if he had to start over again today

269 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:02:38pm

re: #268 engineer cat

…which they are busy using to try and figure out how to get a job, or how they could possibly afford to send their kids to college in a day and age where it costs $40k/yr minimum, and how they could ever retire when even people making above the $55k u.s. median family income can’t manage it

why doesn’t professor janoski get out the calculator and check to see if he could afford his phd if he had to start over again today

Ding.

270 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:03:06pm

re: #263 GeneJockey

My sons went through a brief Brony stage. They got better.

Seems like a good alternative to lonely, isolated geekdom, which is kinda where I saw my nephew heading, starting from age three.

271 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:05:55pm

Your anti-science GOP Congress at work:


House Panel Subpoenas EPA for Air Pollution Data

In a rare step, the science committee of the U.S. House of Representatives voted yesterday to subpoena the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for data from key studies used to justify air pollution regulations.

Following a heated exchange of letters between Committee Chair Lamar Smith (R-TX) and ranking member Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX), the committee approved its first subpoena in 21 years. The vote was strictly along party lines, with Democrats opposing the measure.

The information in question includes the underlying data in a 1993 paper considered to be groundbreaking work on the impact of air pollution. In the so-called Six Cities Study, Harvard researchers followed more than 8000 participants for 14 to 16 years and found an association between death rates and particulate matter, or soot, in the air. The study informed EPA’s 1997 decision to tighten its air quality standards and continues to underpin Clean Air Act regulations. Smith has repeatedly requested that EPA hand over raw data from the Six Cities Study and from a related (and much larger) American Cancer Society study known as “Cancer Prevention Study II,” plus all subsequent reanalysis of the studies. He accused the agency of using “secret science” to justify environmental regulations.

Smith gave EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy an ultimatum in a 22 July letter, threatening a subpoena if the information—which would include personal health information from study participants promised confidentiality—wasn’t turned over by the end of the month.

On Tuesday, Johnson responded to Smith’s subpoena threat with outrage. In her letter, she claimed that his evidence for questioning the validity of the studies was shoddy and that a subpoena would violate the trust of hundreds of thousands of Americans who had participated in the Six Cities Study and other research included in the subpoena. She demanded that Smith clarify who would receive the data and for what purpose.

In his response, the chairman acknowledged that the data would need to be “de-identified” to protect the privacy and health information of the participants.

Economist C. Arden Pope of Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, one of the authors on the Six Cities Study, says that turning over what Smith requests would undoubtedly violate the confidentiality agreement made with participants. “It’s extremely hard to give a data set that will allow you to replicate the results in these studies that doesn’t include information that then allows you—with an Internet search of obituaries—to quickly figure out who the people were,” he says.

Smith also explained in his letter that he intended to share the data with “independent scientists for review.” But Johnson, in yesterday’s opening statement, accused Smith of intending to pass the data to “industry hacks” who would try to discredit the research for financial gain.

According to the subpoena that Smith signed following the vote, EPA now has until 19 August to turn over all relevant data. The agency has previously said it has provided Smith with all the relevant material that it has.

272 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:07:23pm

re: #271 freetoken

Your anti-science GOP Congress at work:

House Panel Subpoenas EPA for Air Pollution Data

Good grief.

273 freetoken  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:09:10pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Good grief.

Didn’t you know, CO2 soot is good for you?

274 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:12:56pm

re: #273 freetoken

Didn’t you know, CO2 soot is good for you?

Yeah silly me for believing the scientists on that when I should be listening to Lamar Smith and the House GOP members on the Science committee.

275 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:14:12pm

re: #273 freetoken

Didn’t you know, CO2 soot is good for you?

My first visit to an airport as a child involved a lot of soot. I think it was Laguardia.

276 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:14:15pm

re: #271 freetoken

Journalistic style guides should be updated with the following usage note:

“Science committee of the US House of Representatives” is a phrase that should appear in sneer quotes unless/until the GOP reforms or loses control.

277 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:15:09pm

re: #251 klys

Save me some! It’s my birthday Sunday.

re: #255 William Barnett-Lewis

I would be so honored to eat at your table on even a slow night :)

Here’s the recipe.

278 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:17:14pm

re: #277 Vicious Babushka

Here’s the recipe.

Hell, that would turn me into a diabetic again! And you know I would eat the whole thing.

279 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:18:01pm

re: #259 GeneJockey

1950, hell! The position of many on the Right is that if you’re not literally starving, you’re not poor.

LOOK AT ALL TEH POORS, THEY’RE SO FAT FROM ALL THAT STEAK & LOBSTER THEY BUY WITH THERE FOOOOOOOD STAAAAAMPS!!11!!111

280 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:19:35pm

re: #279 Vicious Babushka

LOOK AT ALL TEH POORS, THEY’RE SO FAT FROM ALL THAT STEAK & LOBSTER THEY BUY WITH THERE FOOOOOOOD STAAAAAMPS!!11!!111

Anyone not slaving away at sub-living wages to help me earn my hundredth million is a moocher and parasite.

281 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:20:47pm
282 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:21:51pm

re: #280 EPR-radar

Anyone not slaving away at sub-living wages to help me earn my hundredth million is a moocher and parasite.

283 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:24:03pm

OK I have to stop rolling now.

A whole day away from Teh Derp. Everyone should try it.

284 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:24:17pm

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

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Anyone who calls their fellow citizens “parasites” is a douchebag. No one lives off of others despite what Sowell wants to believe.

285 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:25:45pm

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

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Once, very long ago, I read Sowell and thought he had an interesting perspective on racial and social issues. Those days are long gone.

286 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:25:46pm

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

I can actually agree with wingnuts that we have issues relating to makers and takers in the US. Wingnuts and I disagree on who the makers and takers are, of course.

Take it away, first GOP president:

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. —- A. Lincoln

287 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:25:49pm

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

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Let me guess…it’s a rarefied definition of “produce” that includes finance and banking structures, but not salaried people at the bottom of the manufacturing and service industries.

288 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:26:37pm

re: #286 EPR-radar

I can actually agree with wingnuts that we have issues relating to makers and takers in the US. Wingnuts and I disagree on who the makers and takers are, of course.

Take it away, first GOP president:

This is a good Lincoln quote.

289 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:26:55pm

re: #270 wrenchwench

Seems like a good alternative to lonely, isolated geekdom, which is kinda where I saw my nephew heading, starting from age three.

Atheist camp sounds cool though.

290 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:27:35pm

re: #281 Gus

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No wonder why I can never finish one!!

I’m neither Venzuelan nor Jewish!!

291 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:31:11pm

Update: Pérez Pirela denies the report that he was appointed Information Minister.

292 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:31:34pm

re: #281 Gus

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Probably misinterpreted ‘plotz’.

293 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:31:44pm

re: #289 Stanley Sea

Atheist camp sounds cool though.

Yeah, but they’ve been going there for years (I think it’s in the Smokey Mountains). Couldn’t compete with BronyCom. The niece and nephew are twins, and young enough that the Brony is attending with his mother, but that’s OK, they have

panels with such titles as “So I Raised a Teenage Brony: Gender, Stereotypes and Mother-Son Bonding.”

294 darthstar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:31:45pm
295 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:31:51pm

re: #291 Gus

Update: Pérez Pirela denies the report that he was appointed Information Minister.

Zionist plot!

296 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:32:33pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Zionist plot!

THE JUICE GOT TO MADURO!!!!!!!!!!!

297 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:34:09pm

No society ever thrived because it had a large & growing class of parasites living off those who

rome was not built on pompous bullshit

298 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:34:56pm

re: #285 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Once, very long ago, I read Sowell and thought he had an interesting perspective on racial and social issues. Those days are long gone.

I once read Sowell and thought he might have something interesting to say.

Then I got into 6th grade and I read Michael Harrington who wrote The Other America and learned better.

I never went back to Sowell’s evil. Instead I am still a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. Yes, you right wing idiots, unlike the president I really am a socialist!!!

299 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:35:49pm

re: #294 darthstar

Word.

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I shared the six dead fish with several. Loved that one. Oh and the pastafarian’s ID. Thanks Darth!

300 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:36:52pm

re: #297 engineer cat

No society ever thrived because it had a large & growing class of parasites living off those who

rome was not built on pompous bullshit

Ironically, the fall of Rome is a reasonable case study in the dangers of having a parasitical class at the top. Not that wingnuts would appreciate this, of course.

301 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:37:28pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

Ironically, the fall of Rome is a reasonable case study in the dangers of having a parasitical class at the top. Not that wingnuts would appreciate this, of course.

You mean it wasn’t paganism and tolerating the gay!//

302 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:38:52pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

Ironically, the fall of Rome is a reasonable case study in the dangers of having a parasitical class at the top. Not that wingnuts would appreciate this, of course.

i like to concentrate on its spring and summer

303 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:40:16pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

You mean it wasn’t paganism and tolerating the gay!//

Conservatives of the era were pissing and moaning about the disruptive influence of Christianity (before it became the state religion, of course).

However, some things are eternal. Roman conservatives (e.g., Caesar Augustus) had an unhealthy interest in relative fertility rates of Romans and non-Romans.

304 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:40:32pm

Oh jeez. The “potty mouth” story began at Buzzfeed. Check out who the first Tweet is to.

305 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:41:30pm

re: #302 engineer cat

i like to concentrate on its spring and summer

I may never make it all the way through Decline and Fall. It’s a very long story with very few high points.

306 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:43:49pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

Ironically, the fall of Rome is a reasonable case study in the dangers of having a parasitical class at the top. Not that wingnuts would appreciate this, of course.

As my favourite author notes: no society ever fell because of the failure of its middle or lower classes. It’s the failure of those with the responsibility of the society’s success, every time.

And it’s usually for the same reason. They mistake their own success for the success of the society.

307 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:44:14pm

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

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Er, that’s also communism if you read it from another angle. Capitalists can easily seen as the parasites.

It depends who you consider a parasite. As Utah Phillips said, I care more about the bum on the plush, than I do about the bum on the rails.

308 Tigger2005  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:44:21pm

re: #254 William Barnett-Lewis

Uhm, no. There was always a certain aspect of the whole incarnation as far back as you can go. It may well still be as mythical as Shiva’s incarnation and/or avatars but he was still seen as having walked as a human upon earth. There are a huge fucking library of arguments over just what that means in the early Christian literature.

Disclosure: I have a personal set of beliefs and most of them are based on a belief in God, Jesus as at least a human messiah but not necessarily in an afterlife. Take my religious pondering as you will.

Uhm, yes. There is no evidence whatsoever beyond the Gospels of Jesus being “seen having walked as a human upon the Earth,” and the Gospels are clearly allegories constructed almost entirely out of scriptural motifs. Furthermore, Paul and the other early Christian writers make no reference to an earthly Jesus, and in fact their theology makes no room whatsoever for an earthly Jesus and even precludes his being human (as opposed to “in the likeness” of a human being) or his death/resurrection would have no salvific value. I would not brush this off so lightly if I were you without doing any research. Try reading Earl Doherty’s “The Jesus Puzzle” or visit his Web site, jesuspuzzle.org.

309 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:45:51pm

re: #306 Romantic Heretic

As my favourite author notes: no society ever fell because of the failure of its middle or lower classes. It’s the failure of those with the responsibility of the society’s success, every time.

And it’s usually for the same reason. They mistake their own success for the success of the society.

Out of curiosity, who’s the author you’re referring to here?

310 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:46:56pm

It’s a good Friday night. Just asked my g-son when he was going to clean up his room, and he said, “Grandma, I find comfort in this filth…”

And I find comfort in this: Youtube Video

311 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:51:10pm

re: #304 Gus

Oh jeez. The “potty mouth” story began at Buzzfeed. Check out who the first Tweet is to.

stinky linky

312 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:52:21pm

re: #311 wrenchwench

stinky linky

Fixed.

313 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:52:40pm

re: #312 Gus

Fixed.

ty

314 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:53:22pm

re: #305 EPR-radar

I may never make it all the way through Decline and Fall. It’s a very long story with very few high points.

i found it fairly entertaining, if you ignore the byzantine part: the late night roman emperors were a pretty eccentric lot, and of course they had a distinct tendency to get murdered

the book could be renamed Tales Of Countless Weird And Suddenly Dead Emperors

315 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:56:49pm

re: #257 Justanotherhuman

Fuck you, Tom. This is not 1950

i am a refugee from the 50s and i can report that the food is very bland there

also the cars can poke your eye out

316 Kragar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:57:21pm

re: #314 engineer cat

i found it fairly entertaining, if you ignore the byzantine part: the late night roman emperors were a pretty eccentric lot, and of course they had a distinct tendency to get murdered

the book could be renamed Tales Of Countless Weird And Suddenly Dead Emperors

There was a reason so many Roman emperors were nuts.

Lead Poisoning

The first artificial sweetener poisoned lots of Romans

Romans used the sweeter liquids to improve the flavor of existing foods, preserve fruit, and to preserve food for Roman soldiers (Ancient MREs!). The boiling process involved long hours and high temperatures, causing lead to seep out of the container, inadvertently artificially sweetening the sapa . The sweet taste is due to acetic acid in the wine converting to its hydrolyzed form, acetate. Acetate ions combined with lead cations leached from the containers, forming lead acetate.

Winemakers chose lead containers over brass ones when they noticed the lead pots yielded a sweeter flavor. Columella, a Roman winemaker, explained this away by condemning the properties of brass pots, saying:

For, in the boiling […] brazen (brass) vessels throw off copper rust which has a disagreeable flavor.

A modern attempt to re-create the sapa using lead vessels resulted in a liquid with a lead content of 2,900 parts per billion — one thousand times the acceptable dose in most countries.

317 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:57:48pm

re: #314 engineer cat

i found it fairly entertaining, if you ignore the byzantine part: the late night roman emperors were a pretty eccentric lot, and of course they had a distinct tendency to get murdered

the book could be renamed Tales Of Countless Weird And Suddenly Dead Emperors

The version of Gibbon that I have is annotated by people who take issue with Gibbon’s treatment of Christianity. So, the most entertaining thing I’ve seen so far is the sniping at Gibbon in the added footnotes.

318 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:57:51pm

Evening Lizardim.

319 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:01:41pm

For no particular reason I was wondering how old Beck is. Turns out he’s 49. I had really thought he was older than that, maybe pushing 60.
While we’re at it, Rush Limbaugh is 62 and Sean Hannity 51. It’s a fair guess their fans are on the average older than the average of the three of them.
George Putnam, perhaps the original right wing radio talker, hosted his show till he was well into his 90s so we may have a long time yet to put up with the three idiots.
(Putnam of course was head and shoulders above the current leaders as a journalist and human being, and I would not want to suggest some equivalence beyond the format and political orientation of their shows.)

320 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:04:17pm

re: #319 Shiplord Kirel

I have to say I hope karma catches up with these three stooges sooner rather than later.

No longer being able to rake in the big bucks peddling hate would suffice —- I’m not greedy.

321 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:04:34pm

re: #310 Justanotherhuman

It’s a good Friday night. Just asked my g-son when he was going to clean up his room, and he said, “Grandma, I find comfort in this filth…”

And I find comfort in this: [Embedded content]

That was very nice.

322 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:07:58pm
323 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:08:37pm

re: #317 EPR-radar

The version of Gibbon that I have is annotated by people who take issue with Gibbon’s treatment of Christianity. So, the most entertaining thing I’ve seen so far is the sniping at Gibbon in the added footnotes.

i do really like the earlier romans much more - did you know they had a mythology of earliest rome being a place made up of outcasts looking for a second chance?

they were also very much like americans in that they thought of themselves as rough hewn, plain living, plain talking folk

but the thing that made them stand out in the ancient world was the fact that they were stubborn as shit. other city states would give in after losing a battle. the romans would just study the winning tactics of the other side and come back and win the second engagement

they also had a better empire policy than other early empires. assyrians and babylonians made the people they conquered into slaves. romans gave them a chance to become citizens

324 darthstar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:09:31pm
325 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:12:12pm

re: #319 Shiplord Kirel

In 1965, Putnam narrated a horrible hate film called Perversion for Profit, in which he denounced publications that allegedly promoted nudity and homosexuality. He referred to gays as “perverts and misfits.” He had publicly repudiated these views by the 80s, about the time Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity were just starting on their homophobic careers. The film was produced by real-estate tycoon and “decency” crusader Charles Keating, later famous for his role in the S&L scandal in the 80s, a role that landed him briefly in jail. Keating is still alive, while Putnam passed on in 2008.

326 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:14:07pm

re: #309 EPR-radar

Out of curiosity, who’s the author you’re referring to here?

John Ralston Saul. His book Voltaire’s Bastards changed the way I think. The Doubter’s Companion is my favorite before bed and in-the-can book.

327 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:14:22pm

re: #323 engineer cat

i do really like the earlier romans much more - did you know they had a mythology of earliest rome being a place made up of outcasts looking for a second chance?

Do you have the link to the Trojans via Aeneas in mind, or something else?

328 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:21:28pm
329 122 Year Old Obama  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:25:09pm

re: #328 Gus

Needs to be one that says Thread Reopened or something like that.

330 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:26:59pm

re: #329 122 Year Old Obama

Needs to be one that says Thread Reopened or something like that.

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331 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:28:05pm

O/T
I’m in shock.
My little one didn’t know Clark Kent and Superman were the same person.
I hang my head in shame…
Bad mommy.

332 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:31:03pm

Kang has died.

Image: Kang2268.jpg

333 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:31:14pm

re: #331 OhNoZombies!

O/T
I’m in shock.
My little one didn’t know Clark Kent and Superman were the same person.
I hang my head in shame…

Of course the only answer to this is an intensive program of home study that will culminate with an encyclopedic dissertation on the varieties of Kryptonite and their effects. //

334 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:31:40pm
335 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:33:08pm

re: #334 Gus

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91 is real young for a Klingon, no ??

336 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:34:23pm

re: #333 EPR-radar

I’m already gathering my materials, and planning a field trip to the local comic book store.
:-)

337 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:35:51pm

re: #331 OhNoZombies!

O/T
I’m in shock.
My little one didn’t know Clark Kent and Superman were the same person.
I hang my head in shame…

Why would the little one know?

hell, the two people that were CLOSEST to Clark (Lois and Jimmy) didn’t know

338 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:36:05pm

re: #335 sattv4u2

Well, technically yes.

But due to their fondness for edged weapons and using them it’s rare for them to get past forty.

339 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:36:39pm

re: #336 OhNoZombies!

I’m already gathering my materials, and planning a field trip to the local comic book store.
:-)

I’m actually more of a Batman fan than Superman fan, so I wasn’t entirely sure what to suggest. Perhaps the many transformations of Jimmy Olson is a better topic than Kryptonite flavors.

340 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:37:56pm

re: #338 Romantic Heretic

Well, technically yes.

But due to their fondness for edged weapons and using them it’s rare for them to get past forty.

Mere flesh woulds!!

Youtube Video

341 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:38:42pm

re: #334 Gus

[Embedded content]

A Syrian-American who became famous for playing a native American on Broken Arrow.

342 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:40:51pm

re: #339 EPR-radar

I’m actually more of a Batman fan than Superman fan, so I wasn’t entirely sure what to suggest. Perhaps the many transformations of Jimmy Olson is a better topic than Kryptonite flavors.

It looks like I’m gonna have to start with the basics.
As in origins.

343 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:41:00pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

A Syrian-American who became famous for playing a native American on Broken Arrow.

Born not far from where I was,,, albeit 30 years earlier

344 Carlos Dangler  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:41:05pm

re: #48 OhNoZombies!

Racism escalated when powerful people realized there were more poor people than wealthy, regardless of race. Divide and conquer.
It’s always been about money.

Set everyone who’s not as rich as they are against each other, then pick all of their pockets.

345 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:42:23pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

Or this… Youtube Video

346 Lidane  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:42:44pm

Another reason why the Texas GOP can go eat a bag of dicks:

347 jaunte  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:46:44pm

I heard the NSA has all of our shit, in case we lose it.

348 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:46:55pm

re: #344 Carlos Dangler

Set everyone who’s not as rich as they are against each other, then pick all of their pockets.

Yep.
And since one group is bigger than the other, they’re more dangerous, so let them believe we’re gonna let them in the club…

349 jaunte  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:48:12pm

“Die Another Day” is on. Halle Berry plays an NSA agent running around Cuba in a bikini, shooting up the place.

350 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:49:25pm

re: #346 Lidane

Another reason why the Texas GOP can go eat a bag of dicks:

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Democracy, how does it work?

351 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:49:46pm

re: #347 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I heard the NSA has all of our shit, in case we lose it.

Image: 215499488_8pSZr-L-2.jpg

352 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:52:22pm
353 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:06:32pm

Infographic: How Internet users worldwide spend time online
They visit Google more than any other website, but spend most of their time on Facebook.

ragan.com

More than 56 percent of social media users use social networks to spy on their significant others.

354 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:11:24pm
Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs

What is it about the Internet that makes people lose their shit?

The fact that a person can lose their shit and not collect a punch in the mouth nor have men with a hug-me-tight jacket collect them.

355 Bear  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:13:55pm

Hope all is safe and will have a good weekend.
The discussions about comic characters got me thinking about all the great radio shows that predated television. Lone Ranger, The Shadow for examples.

356 Gus  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:14:24pm

»◓○◓«

357 jaunte  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:14:30pm

re: #354 Romantic Heretic

It’s good to be able to make puns and not have to hear the chorus of groans.

358 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:15:02pm
359 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:16:25pm

re: #331 OhNoZombies!

O/T
I’m in shock.
My little one didn’t know Clark Kent and Superman were the same person.
I hang my head in shame…
Bad mommy.

It’s the eyeglasses. Most impenetrable disguise ever.

360 Lancelot Link  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:22:28pm

re: #334 Gus

Looks like it’s time to watch The Doll Squad again

361 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:25:38pm

re: #359 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

It’s the eyeglasses. Most impenetrable disguise ever.

When he took them off in the cartoon, the little guy was totally shocked.
He was like, “Whoa!!! They’re the same guy?!?”

362 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:31:53pm

re: #361 OhNoZombies!

When he took them off in the cartoon, the little guy was totally shocked.
He was like, “Whoa!!! They’re the same guy?!?”

Nobody really noticed him at his regular hang out. Everyone was just consumed with their own problems!!

Image: superman-III.jpg

363 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:34:30pm

re: #362 sattv4u2

LoL.
I saw that one recently, as well as IV.
I’d forgotten how bad they were.

364 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:53:15pm

re: #349 jaunte

“Die Another Day” is on. Halle Berry plays an NSA agent running around Cuba in a bikini, shooting up the place.

You had me at Halle Berry, but ‘bikini’ also helps. She could fold laundry, and I’d still watch.

365 Decider  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 7:24:20pm

Hey Glenn Beck; Which side will have Eminem‎?


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