It’s Ernie Pyle Day in New Mexico!

War correspondent Ernie Pyle was an adopted son of of New Mexico.
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Ernie Pyle (center left) with a U.S. Marine patrol during the Pacific campaign in World War II. Photo Credit: U.S. Department of Defense

Soldiers looked up to Ernie Pyle, who stood 5-feet-7 and may have weighed 140 pounds.

Politicians almost never complained about what he wrote. Companies wanted him to endorse their products. Readers not only trusted Pyle, they rooted for him.

An adopted son of New Mexico, Pyle was the perfect war correspondent for his time.

Armed with nothing more than a pencil and a notebook, he went into battle with soldiers during World War II. From chilling, dark combat zones, Pyle fended off fear and wrote six newspaper columns a week that were distributed by the Scripps-Howard chain.

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Nobody with so much skill in covering battles did it with so much heart.

Even so, Pyle was tormented by self-doubt. He worried that redundancy was crippling his coverage. For all his star power, Pyle was unimpressed with himself.

New Mexico disagreed with that assessment.

Recognizing his prolific writing, his sacrifice and his humility, the state Legislature in 1945 approved a law designating Aug. 3 as Ernie Pyle Day in New Mexico. Aug. 3 was Pyle’s birthday, and New Mexico was the place this native of Indiana planned to live after the war.

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Pyle was just 44 when he died on April 18, 1945. He looked older. Battles are not easy, not the way he covered them.

Pyle’s plan had been to return to the only home he ever owned. It was at 900 Girard Blvd. SE in Albuquerque.

That house is now a branch library. A trip there allows one to request Pyle’s wartime books. The titles include two that are especially fitting — “Brave Men” and “Last Chapter.”

Read the rest of the article here: Ernie Pyle Has a Day of Honor in New Mexico - Alamogordo Daily News

In case you’re not familiar with Ernie Pyle, here’s the Wikipedia article on him.

…He was buried with his helmet on, in a long row of graves among other soldiers, with an infantry private on one side and a combat engineer on the other. At the ten-minute service, the Army, Navy, and Marine Corps were all represented.[5] Americans erected a monument to him at the site. When Okinawa was returned to Japanese control after the war, the Ernie Pyle monument was one of three American memorials they allowed to remain in place….

And here are his D-Day columns, collected at the Indiana University School of Journalism’s online home for information and history about Ernie Pyle.

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Now that it is over it seems to me a pure miracle that we ever took the beach at all. For some of our units it was easy, but in this special sector where I am now our troops faced such odds that our getting ashore was like my whipping Joe Louis down to a pulp.

In this column I want to tell you what the opening of the second front in this one sector entailed, so that you can know and appreciate and forever be humbly grateful to those both dead and alive who did it for you.

Ashore, facing us, were more enemy troops than we had in our assault waves. The advantages were all theirs, the disadvantages all ours. The Germans were dug into positions that they had been working on for months, although these were not yet all complete. A one-hundred-foot bluff a couple of hundred yards back from the beach had great concrete gun emplacements built right into the hilltop. These opened to the sides instead of to the front, thus making it very hard for naval fire from the sea to reach them. They could shoot parallel with the beach and cover every foot of it for miles with artillery fire.

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May he serve as an inspiration to journalists always and everywhere.

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199 comments

1 Bear  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:21:04pm

Ernie Pyle was the prime mover that got the Combat Infantry pay and Badge
for the Infantry Solder. In late 1944 and 1945 there was a theater in downtown Tokyo named for him. The Enlisted men were given first choice in going to performances there. Officers were only allowed in if there there were empty seats. I saw a performance of The Mikado staged there. That was the first time The Mikado was performed in Japan as prior it was thought to be disrespectful to the Emperor. The cast included Japanese in certain rolls.

2 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:40:58pm

re: #1 Bear

Ernie Pyle was the prime mover that got the Combat Infantry pay and Badge
for the Infantry Solder. In late 1944 and 1945 there was a theater in downtown Tokyo named for him. The Enlisted men were given first choice in going to performances there. Officers were only allowed in if there there were empty seats. I saw a performance of The Mikado staged there. That was the first time The Mikado was performed in Japan as prior it was thought to be disrespectful to the Emperor. The cast included Japanese in certain rolls.

You might want to revise those dates.

3 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:41:10pm

Excellent post. Promoted!

4 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:43:05pm

Note to Glenn Greenwald: THIS is what a REAL journalist looks like.

5 Mattand  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:44:36pm

Saw this in a comments column a while back, so take it for what it’s worth.

Commenter was talking about how he was taking a class and overheard two classmates, both Iraq War 2 vets, discussing the media/reporters. The conversation boiled down to both soldiers saying they were fine with killing journalists if they could get away with it.

Things in America have changed a bit since Ernie Pyle’s day.

6 Amory Blaine  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:45:52pm

Sorry to go off topic but I want to share this. Repost from downstairs.

Great editorial written by FDR’s grandson, James Roosevelt on Scott Walker comparing himself to FDR.

He knew FDR, and Scott Walker is no FDR

I was recently made aware that Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker drew a comparison between himself and my grandfather, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in an attempt to justify his attacks on the rights of workers to bargain collectively.

Walker’s distortion of President Roosevelt’s beliefs could not be more off base. Not only was President Roosevelt a staunch advocate for labor rights, he was a proponent of just and peaceful labor relations. The kind of disharmony brought about by Gov. Walker’s attack on workers’ rights — to include threats to call in the Wisconsin National Guard as his enforcers — is exactly what President Roosevelt sought to prevent in establishing the National Labor Relations Board as a safeguard for workers’ rights.

But it’s not just on workers’ rights where Gov. Walker’s approach to governance strays so far from that of my grandfather. Faced with a dire economic situation, President Roosevelt recognized that the only path toward a full recovery was to invest in stimulative spending, financial oversight and social reforms that ensured every American had a basic level of economic security.

7 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:49:22pm

re: #5 Mattand

Pyle would have helped the soldiers today’s “journalists” would have reported locations to the enemy.

8 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:49:46pm

He was buried with his helmet on, in a long row of graves among other soldiers, with an infantry private on one side and a combat engineer on the other.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:51:17pm

re: #5 Mattand

Saw this in a comments column a while back, so take it for what it’s worth.

Commenter was talking about how he was taking a class and overheard two classmates, both Iraq War 2 vets, discussing the media/reporters. The conversation boiled down to both soldiers saying they were fine with killing journalists if they could get away with it.

Things in America have changed a bit since Ernie Pyle’s day.

The military no longer feels the press is its friend. Hostile, ignorant, and at times dishonest reporting since Vietnam has created a wide gulf between those fight and those who report.

10 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:51:39pm

Read “Ernie Pyle’s War: America’s Eyewitness to World War II” a while back.

11 AntonSirius  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:54:49pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

The military no longer feels the press is its friend.

No, “lapdog” is probably a better word.

12 Bear  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:56:15pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Thanks, Should be 45 &46.

13 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:56:44pm

Name-checked by a Greensnow cultist!

Youtube Video

14 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:59:07pm

re: #11 AntonSirius

No, “lapdog” is probably a better word.

The press today only cares about link bait. Far from a lapdog for the military.

15 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 6:59:59pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Name-checked by a Greensnow cultist!

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it seems it was a mistake not to invest heavily in the straw man manufacturing industry when i had the chance

16 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:00:08pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Name-checked by a Greensnow cultist!

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Little Green Footballs! ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

17 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:00:26pm

re: #14 Gus

The “man bites dog” story is what today’s “reporters” look for, not what is really happening even if they have to make it up. half/

18 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:01:43pm

Imagine that. People who support the President of the United States of America.

19 thedopefishlives  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:02:02pm

re: #18 Gus

Imagine that. People who support the President of the United States of America.

Those aren’t people, those are our reptilian overlords.

20 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:04:53pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Name-checked by a Greensnow cultist!

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LOL That was good.

21 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:08:44pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

The military no longer feels the press is its friend. Hostile, ignorant, and at times dishonest reporting since Vietnam has created a wide gulf between those fight and those who report.

i’m familiar with the sentiment, yet still i couldn’t tell you why they would think that

can you cite particular cases of ‘Hostile, ignorant, and at times dishonest reporting since Vietnam’?

22 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:10:34pm

re: #11 AntonSirius

No, “lapdog” is probably a better word.

Pyle was no one’s lapdog, but he was a great friend to the American fighting man. And it was his determination to report from the front that helped seal their respect of him. Ultimately, that determination got him killed in IJA General Kuribayashi’s island death trap. But it also won him a larger fame that still endures.

23 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:12:03pm

Pakistan creates their own terrorists. Over 50,000 dead from internal sectarian violence. The Taliban was harvested in Pakistan with the help of ISI. The violence has been occurring long before drones and has been occurring for close to 1,000s of years. But please, tell me more about how it’s all America’s fault.

24 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:13:44pm

1,000 dead in Iraq in July. All because of religion. But yeah.

25 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:14:14pm

re: #21 engineer cat

i’m familiar with the sentiment, yet still i couldn’t tell you why they would think that

can you cite particular cases of ‘Hostile, ignorant, and at times dishonest reporting since Vietnam’?

1st Fallujah was the classic example, with the western press repeating Al Jazeera’s ocean of lies about civilian casualties.

The Israeli anti-terrorist operation in Jenin is another example: While the US press did ultimately report the finding that claims of murderous IDF actions were untrue, it at first printed them without noting the dishonest past of the sources of the claims.

26 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:14:31pm

I admit it, I’m kinda trolling. But also being real.

27 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:15:19pm


Violence in Iraq killed some 1,000 people in July, the highest death toll seen in any month since 2008, the UN said on Thursday. Iraq’s bloody sectarian conflict, in which thousands died in Sunni-Shiite violence, peaked in 2006-2007.
28 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:16:48pm

Oh if only Saddam Hussein was still in power these deaths wouldn’t have happened. Oops, no, wait. It still happened under Saddam but for different reasons.

29 thedopefishlives  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:17:07pm

re: #28 Gus

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

30 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:18:05pm

re: #29 thedopefishlives

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Yeah. You disagree with me therefore I must kill you! You saw that last lunatic trolling me in Twitter perhaps. People are freaking nuts.

31 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:19:27pm

But yeah. Allende. American Indians and jingoism. I need to re-read my Howard Zinn/Pat Buchanan historical revisionism.

32 thedopefishlives  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:21:11pm

re: #30 Gus

Yeah. You disagree with me therefore I must kill you! You saw that last lunatic trolling me in Twitter perhaps. People are freaking nuts.

You also saw my reply to you in that thread. Haters gonna hate. People will kill each other no matter who is nominally “in charge”, simply because they want to.

33 AntonSirius  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:21:58pm

re: #14 Gus

The press today only cares about link bait. Far from a lapdog for the military.

Not based on what happened during our last couple of foreign adventures.

Sure, when the shock and awe stops being quite as shocking or awesome they might go TMZ on a celebrity general or commander who cheats on their spouse, but as long as the military is putting on a good show the media willingly follow the script.

34 AntonSirius  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:24:26pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

Pyle was no one’s lapdog, but he was a great friend to the American fighting man. And it was his determination to report from the front that helped seal their respect of him. Ultimately, that determination got him killed in IJA General Kuribayashi’s island death trap. But it also won him a larger fame that still endures.

I very nearly downdinged you for implying that my reply to you was about Pyle in any way.

35 Kragar  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:25:32pm

Obviously, the only reason one would support national security measures under a moderately governing President is because you joined a cult.

36 thedopefishlives  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:29:18pm

Night Lizards.

37 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:31:20pm

re: #35 Kragar

Obviously, the only reason one would support national security measures under a moderately governing President is because you joined a cult.

Obviously. Thus anyone who favors sane security policies is an “Obamunist”, whatever that means.

38 Bear  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:31:41pm

Bill Mauldin was another great WW2 writer,cartoonist. His Wilie and Joe were great in my opinion

39 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:37:56pm

re: #38 Bear

Bill Mauldin was another great WW2 writer,cartoonist. His Wilie and Joe were great in my opinion

He also had a epic collision with Gen. Patton over Patton’s feeling that Mauldin was disrespectful to the army’s officers.

40 jaunte  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:41:46pm

re: #38 Bear

One of my favorites:

One of Mauldin’s first pieces “Calvary Sergeant” was his favorite sculpture and cartoon. It depicts a “grieving Calvary master sergeant shooting his beloved disabled Jeep, just as a grieving cowboy would once have shot a beloved disabled horse.”
nmvetsmemorial.org

41 Bear  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:46:40pm

re: #40 jaunte

Yes that is a good one. Then there were so many other good ones. The one where the rumor about a nurse in the fox hole playing cards with either Willie or Joe.

42 Bear  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:49:06pm

It was the Company Medic!

43 Mattand  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 7:59:23pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

The military no longer feels the press is its friend. Hostile, ignorant, and at times dishonest reporting since Vietnam has created a wide gulf between those fight and those who report.

The press should be the military’s friend? You mean look the other way when shit like the My Lai Massacre happens? Seriously, WTF?

If your idea of a free press is one that plays nice with the military at all times, you may want to re-think your understanding of a democratic society.

44 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:01:43pm
45 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:03:32pm

Hmm.

46 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:04:03pm

re: #44 Jan Smiddy

Hello, Troll!

47 Kragar  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:04:04pm
48 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:04:57pm

re: #43 Mattand

You’re reading far too much into what I said.

49 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:05:31pm

Troubled thoughts.

50 jaunte  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:05:38pm

re: #44 Jan Smiddy

Playing up Ernie Pile. I won’t knock him. Great man.

Pyle. It’s Pyle.

51 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:05:54pm

Nuked. LOL

52 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:06:01pm

It’s been so long since we had a really good flounce!

/applause

53 Kragar  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:06:33pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

It’s been so long since we had a really good flounce!

/applause

Youtube Video

54 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:07:21pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

It’s been so long since we had a really good flounce!

/applause

I’ll go get the charcoal lit. Seems I have a troll to grill.

55 122 Year Old Obama  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:08:13pm

re: #47 Kragar

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LOL I love that bit.

56 Mattand  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:11:13pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

You’re reading far too much into what I said.

You said the military doesn’t consider the press its friend. The implication is that the press should take it easy on the military.

Not too many ways to interpret that.

57 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:15:53pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

It’s been so long since we had a really good flounce!

/applause

[INSERT STEAMING PILE OF HOT GASES COMMENT HERE.]

58 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:17:06pm

Too funny to see wingnuts turn into faux-libertarians thanks to Greenwald and Snowden. Because. Obama.

59 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:17:27pm

Missed an “o” there.

60 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:20:07pm

re: #56 Mattand

You said the military doesn’t consider the press its friend. The implication is that the press should take it easy on the military.

Not too many ways to interpret that.

You don’t have to take it easy on your friends all the time. True friendship requires honesty, but it also requires loyalty and charity, which mean giving the benefit of the doubt and not working to harm your friend.

61 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:22:55pm

Guess some people feel a need to freak out big time.

62 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:32:06pm

The troll is now roasting. Someone please baste the meat while I get the plates.

63 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:37:58pm
64 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:45:15pm
65 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:47:01pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

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Yassar.

66 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:49:49pm

Greetings from balmy Phoenix. Reportedly 103 F outside, not going to verify it personally.

Ah, young child in family of six throwing a tantrum in the gate area. Kids are probably pretty much wiped out by travel at this stage (almost 9pm here) and getting tired/cranky. And since they’re here they are going to be on the 10:45pm red-eye flight I am here to catch. O_O

67 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:49:52pm
68 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:50:12pm

OK, fixed that comment posting problem with tweets.

69 Gus  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:53:20pm

More of America doesn’t care as long as America is involved. There’s a war going on in Syria. Please do build a giant puppet for that and protest the “war.” OK?

70 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:54:35pm

I’ve got the plates all set out and have carved the troll. So come and get it while its hot.

And having done that I need to get to bed. I’m just worn out.

71 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 8:57:38pm

I also note that this section of the airport is low on public available AC outlets. Lots of people wandering around looking for a plug to charge Iphones or other devices. It looked like all the gates at the Orange County airport had a section of seats with a long power strip mounted behind them - approximately 16 outlets per gate right there. I think this gate has 3-4 tops, and not located close to seats.

Looks like an interesting passenger mix. Previously mentioned family of six (frazzled looking parents and four children who are all six or younger); group of nine oriental women chattering away in a mix of English and Chinese; man in army uniform (10th Mountain) sitting there with an Iphone; and 20-30 other people in small groups sitting quietly or napping - a few have blankets even.

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:00:44pm

re: #69 Gus

More of America doesn’t care as long as America is involved. There’s a war going on in Syria. Please do build a giant puppet for that and protest the “war.” OK?

No one seemed to care that much about Afghanistan for the longest period either. And then OBL and cadre trained and based out of there to start doing their dirty work.

And that’s pretty much why we’re still mucking around in that area in a war we cannot win. If we outright depart the terrorist camps will be back in there within five years. Afghanistan wants to be left alone, the problem is that we can’t simply build a wall or something and let them stew in their own tribal juices without outside interference.

73 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:01:22pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Excellent post. Promoted!

Aw, shucks. And thanks all you dinger uppers.

Sorry I missed the flounce, tho.

74 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:02:08pm
75 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:04:05pm
76 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:05:24pm
77 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:05:36pm
78 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:05:56pm
79 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:06:39pm

And Pyle was played by Burgess Meredith in “The Story of G.I. Joe” which was based on his columns from Tunisia and Italy. Also starred Robert Mitchum. The movie premiered two months after Pyle was killed in 1945.

en.wikipedia.org

80 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:16:15pm

Meanwhile, the right wing blogs are gearing up for another insane Benghazi freakout.

81 jaunte  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:30:28pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

At The Blaze:

“The Obama administration is “changing names” of the Benghazi survivors and “creating aliases” to keep them hidden from congressional investigators and the American people, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) told Greta Van Susteren on Thursday night. He also said the administration is “dispersing them around the country” to keep them out of sight.
…………….
It should be noted that Gowdy did not present evidence to back up his explosive claim, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any.”

82 jaunte  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:33:43pm

I can’t find that story anywhere but Fox news and conservative websites.

83 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:37:44pm

re: #81 jaunte

It should be noted that Gowdy did not present evidence to back up his explosive claim, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any.

We’ve gone from fake-but-accurate to nonexistent-but-accurate.

84 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:40:59pm

He was as heroic as the young men whose heroics he reported on. Great page WW.

85 darthstar  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:48:58pm

Holy fuck. The North Pole is now a lake.
Image: climatechanged.png

86 122 Year Old Obama  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 9:53:22pm

re: #85 darthstar

Wonder what excuse the deniers’ll throw out about this.

87 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 10:47:52pm

re: #86 122 Year Old Obama

Wonder what excuse the deniers’ll throw out about this.

BENGHAZI!

88 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 10:54:57pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, the right wing blogs are gearing up for another insane Benghazi freakout.

Fresh off the heels of the 40th consecutive vote by the Bircher/GOP to fruitlessly attempt to strike down Obamacare.

89 piratedan  Sat, Aug 3, 2013 10:57:35pm

re: #85 darthstar

there was a quick response team available in Fairbanks, but they were only lightly armed with handguns, so Obama didn’t send them in to the North Pole to save it, another foreign policy outrage perpetuated by the Obama Administration… //

90 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 1:02:03am

re: #89 piratedan

there was a quick response team available in Fairbanks, but they were only lightly armed with handguns, so Obama didn’t send them in to the North Pole to save it, another foreign policy outrage perpetuated by the Obama Administration… //

No, no, it’s that inferior refrigerant we’re forced to use since the eco-wackies banned the good stuff. The spray off into the atmosphere was what kept the poles cold. I don’t know what the Juice and socialists got from doing this, other than their habit of luxuriating in evil for its own sake.

91 EdDantes  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 1:19:53am

re: #85 darthstar

Holy fuck. The North Pole is now a lake.
Image: climatechanged.png

Where is the story that goes with the photo?

92 EdDantes  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 1:45:24am

re: #86 122 Year Old Obama

Wonder what excuse the deniers’ll throw out about this.

At what? Has the north pole melted? I can’t find the story.

93 BongCrodny  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 2:20:13am

re: #92 EdDantes

At what? Has the north pole melted? I can’t find the story.

Found this with a quick search. It seems to be the story associated with the picture:

The Lake at the North Pole

94 EdDantes  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 2:29:15am

re: #93 BongCrodny

Found this with a quick search. It seems to be the story associated with the picture:

The Lake at the North Pole

Thanks. That puts the photo in context.

95 EdDantes  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 2:41:51am

Good night, all.

96 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 3:47:10am

Nice post, Wrenchwench! To me, WWII was the only war that actually mattered in the last century, and I don’t think it’s a generational thing, either. If there had not been a Cold War, Korea would not have happened, and Vietnam was the result of the lingering attitude of that, as well. And what we saw on 9/11 was so different—acts so horrible committed not by another state, but by individuals belonging to a loose-knit authoritarian radical group with an ill-defined purpose of driving out Western influence in Islamic countries, using terroristic tactics in a new type of guerrilla “warfare”. It is the theo-fascist aspect of Al Qaeda that is frightening to me, extremely cult-like and anti-democratic. Its “suicide bombers” remind me of the kamikaze pilots of WWII.

Meanwhile, Happy Birthday, Mr. President! He’s the same age as one of my sons, so no surprise I feel so protective of him. I hope he has many, many more and prospers.

97 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 4:58:07am

re: #81 jaunte

At The Blaze:

Dispersing survivors is often defensible as a tactic to keep up overall agency morale. To have a State Department office or section primarily staffed by those who were formerly stationed in Benghazi would risk having the whole office subjected to questioning a recrimination, whereas if you disperse them and and in some case cover up that they were there, then they might be freer to get on with their lives. Either way, I hope they’ve gotten trauma counseling, since what they went through has a good change of causing PTSD.

98 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 5:15:27am

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Dispersing survivors is often defensible as a tactic to keep up overall agency morale. To have a State Department office or section primarily staffed by those who were formerly stationed in Benghazi would risk having the whole office subjected to questioning a recrimination, whereas if you disperse them and and in some case cover up that they were there, then they might be freer to get on with their lives. Either way, I hope they’ve gotten trauma counseling, since what they went through has a good change of causing PTSD.

What does this have to do with Trey Gowdy’s idiocy? You’re buying the “cover up” BS? But yes, no doubt the survivors might not only be suffering from PTSD but also guilt.

99 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 5:29:09am

re: #98 Justanotherhuman

What does this have to do with Trey Gowdy’s idiocy? You’re buying the “cover up” BS? But yes, no doubt the survivors might not only be suffering from PTSD but also guilt.

In that scenario, dispersing survivors would not be a ‘cover up’. So no, I don’t buy that BS. I was instead trying to argue that the claimed phenomenon, if true, would have a simpler and more likely explanation than the one being put forward.

100 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 5:32:33am

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Plus, you might want to read this, from March:

Fox News’ Van Susteren Leads Charge To Hound Benghazi Survivors

mediamatters.org

These right wingers just want to have their cake and talking points, too.

“Note that previously the cry from Republicans regarding the survivors was that the GOP wanted access to the interviews they gave to the FBI. Late last week, the far right’s favorite CBS News reporter, Sharyl Attkisson, tweeted that according to her source the transcripts of the FBI’s survivor interviews had likely been delivered to Congress. (She later tweeted the interviews were in “unredacted form.”)

“Now this week, the conservative demand has changed and they want Republicans to conduct their own interviews with the survivors. (Depose them, Van Susteren orders.) Perhaps the long sought-after FBI interviews weren’t helpful to the Benghazi conspiracy cause?”

101 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 5:38:54am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

In that scenario, dispersing survivors would not be a ‘cover up’. So no, I don’t buy that BS. I was instead trying to argue that the claimed phenomenon, if true, would have a simpler and more likely explanation than the one being put forward.

Then they should be left alone and not treated like a political football by the right wing.

102 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 5:39:56am

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

Plus, you might want to read this, from March:

Fox News’ Van Susteren Leads Charge To Hound Benghazi Survivors

mediamatters.org

These right wingers just want to have their cake and talking points, too.

“Note that previously the cry from Republicans regarding the survivors was that the GOP wanted access to the interviews they gave to the FBI. Late last week, the far right’s favorite CBS News reporter, Sharyl Attkisson, tweeted that according to her source the transcripts of the FBI’s survivor interviews had likely been delivered to Congress. (She later tweeted the interviews were in “unredacted form.”)

“Now this week, the conservative demand has changed and they want Republicans to conduct their own interviews with the survivors. (Depose them, Van Susteren orders.) Perhaps the long sought-after FBI interviews weren’t helpful to the Benghazi conspiracy cause?”

Then it would indeed make sense to hide such people from news vultures.

Just please remember, I’m on your side on this one. I’m not a conspiracist regarding the Benghazi Consulate Attack, nor do I enable such people.

103 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 5:44:15am

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

Good to know. : )

104 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 5:50:10am

Topic change:

Here is a retelling about an Apache myth about a house full of vaginas. Technically, a house full of all the vaginas in the world.

bettermyths.com

105 A Mom Anon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 5:53:04am

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

If these people had any useful information for Congress they would have been called to appear by now. The FBI reports that covered the interviews should have been plenty and probably were. The assholes at FOX and in Congress using this to stir up more hate need to STFU about it.

One thing that just gripes my cookies about the right wing right now is this going after people with all guns blazing when they don’t agree with whatever their narrative is. It’s not about getting to the bottom of anything, it’s about intimidation and bullying so people will not run for office, tell what they know to be true, or get involved in politics in general. THAT is the actual goal of all this kind of crap.

It’s like when Michelle Malkin went after the family of a child who appeared in a PSA about SCHIP insurance for low income families. She actually peered into their windows to try and prove they didn’t deserve help with medical bills after the kids had been in an accident. Her logic: they had marble countertops in the kitchen so that meant they weren’t poor. Nevermind she knows nothing about remodeling a home and how easy it is to find cast off pieces of marble with flaws or cracks for bargain prices. Who does that? It wasn’t JUST about this family, these sort of frenzied attacks send a message. Don’t do anything we’ll get offended by or we’ll dig through your trash and follow your family around until we find anything at all to smear you with.

It’s become worse since the internet is a fixture in our lives now.

106 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 5:57:25am

re: #104 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Topic change:

Here is a retelling about an Apache myth about a house full of vaginas. Technically, a house full of all the vaginas in the world.

bettermyths.com

A house to avoid if you’re me.

107 A Mom Anon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 5:58:29am

re: #105 A Mom Anon

This wasn’t directed right at you DF, it was about why these loons keep hacking away about Benghazi and want to find out who was there so they can begin the ripping and shredding. They honestly don’t give two good damns about where these people are working now or any other thing. They just want to see what politics they may have and what’s in their pasts. So they can bully the ones they think are leftist commie sympathizers.

108 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:26:30am
109 Lidane  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:38:24am
110 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:40:58am


False flag!

111 Lidane  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:45:00am

What is the endgame for Greenwald anyway? I mean, I understand he needs The Rallying of the Dudebros to accomplish his goals, but I’m still not quite sure what those goals are.

112 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:47:36am

re: #111 Lidane

What is the endgame for Greenwald anyway? I mean, I understand he needs The Rallying of the Dudebros to accomplish his goals, but I’m still not quite sure what those goals are.

The age-old ones: money and fame.

113 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:49:41am

re: #110 NJDhockeyfan

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False flag!

Actually, I’m sure as chair of the Homeland Security Committee Congressman Peter King (R, NY) is kept properly brief on the NSA. He also knows that Glenn Greenwald is full of shit.

Question for the group: Should the Homeland Security Committee hold a hearing on the NSA to help fight these outrageous allegations or will that just fan the flames?

114 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:53:31am

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think either Congress or the President should cave in to the lies, rumormongering, subterfuge and outright bullshit of the rightwing.

115 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:54:18am

re: #111 Lidane

What is the endgame for Greenwald anyway? I mean, I understand he needs The Rallying of the Dudebros to accomplish his goals, but I’m still not quite sure what those goals are.

He’s going to milk this thing for as long as he can. The longer this lasts the more television interviews he will get to stroke his ego plus he’s probably counting on more sales of the book he is writing. It’s all about him and money.

116 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:56:38am

re: #73 wrenchwench

Sorry I missed the flounce, tho.

Wait, what?

117 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 7:14:18am

re: #109 Lidane

Given the profound levels of idiocy seen in members of Congress generally (and especially since 2010), I can’t argue very much against keeping them as far away from the serious machinery as possible. This of course has negative consequences for ‘transparency’ and our democratic form of government in general, but I really don’t need people like Louie Gohmert or worse repeating his half-assed interpretation of some sensitive NSA document (that he didn’t understand in the first place) to the fucking Drudge Report or Fox & Friends. That shit has consequences.

It’s no big mystery why the intelligence “community” keeps secrets from Congress; most Congressmen are so incompetent they can’t even take a bribe without being found out. Why should they be entrusted with serious matters that carry heavy weight?

118 darthstar  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 7:16:40am

Mornin’ everyone.

119 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 7:17:56am

The convergence is getting closer, according to Glennlandia’s latest screed at The Guardian and which he tweets he’ll discuss w/Martha Raddatz on “This Week today:

Members of Congress denied access to basic information about NSA

Documents provided by two House members demonstrate how they are blocked from exercising any oversight over domestic surveillance

theguardian.com

Alan Grayson and Morgan Griffith (heavily financed by Tea Party) are badgering the Intelligence Committee to provide more:

“Two House members, GOP Rep. Morgan Griffith of Virginia and Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson of Florida, have provided the Guardian with numerous letters and emails documenting their persistent, and unsuccessful, efforts to learn about NSA programs and relevant FISA court rulings.”

120 darthstar  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 7:23:42am
121 Lidane  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 7:24:37am

re: #120 darthstar

122 darthstar  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 7:30:27am
123 Carlos Danger  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 7:51:59am
124 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 7:59:08am

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

I don’t think either Congress or the President should cave in to the lies, rumormongering, subterfuge and outright bullshit of the rightwing.

To be fair, the Snowden Affair is not really a ‘left/right thing’. You’ve got conservative people like Peter King and Marco Rubio who support the NSA, joining with liberals like Diane Feinstein. Meanwhile libertarian NSA-hater Rand Paul counts the liberal Alan Grayson as his ally in this matter.

This issue really does not fit the normal left/right pattern. It’s much more about trust in government in one of its clearly proper functions (that being the nation’s security).

125 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 8:13:00am

re: #121 Lidane

this is probably the best thing ever said about politics in america

126 steve_davis  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 8:13:19am

re: #56 Mattand

You said the military doesn’t consider the press its friend. The implication is that the press should take it easy on the military.

Not too many ways to interpret that.

Sorry, that isn’t logical. Not remotely. Saying that Tina does not consider Marge her friend in no way implies that Tina believes Marge should take it easy on her. There are a host of reasons that Tina may not consider Marge her friend—both ones that may turn out to be real, and one’s that were created by Tina as part of an active fantasy life.

127 darthstar  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 8:29:36am

Woke up at 5:30 this morning and thought, dear god, I’m too tired to get up for work now, so I went back to sleep until 7:00…and magically it was Sunday morning again! Gotta remember to try this trick again tomorrow.

128 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 8:36:23am

Somebody screwed up. We now know the next Doctor is Male.

129 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 8:44:14am

And I appear to have put the thread into a Time-Lock.

How come I kill so many threads?

130 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 8:44:47am

My latest fb post:

Do you ever get the impression that Fox News is like an infomercial or pledge week on PBS? Instead of continually pulling features and benefits of a product from their asses, the “journalists” instead, continually tell us of the flaws and detractions of Obama.

This morning they were pulling Benghazi from their hats, in many torturous ways.

131 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 8:46:34am

re: #123 Carlos Danger

whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com

He officially acknowledged that I am a Human Being.

132 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 8:55:26am
“By cooperation, they mean when law enforcement is submitting legal process, such as a subpoena or court order for information, they are cooperating,” he says. “That’s not what I call voluntary cooperation. That’s responding to process, which they are obligated to do.”

Also Paged.

I’ll just keep posting stuff until someone stops me.

:0

133 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:02:01am

re: #129 ProTARDISLiberal

And I appear to have put the thread into a Time-Lock.

How come I kill so many threads?

Because you keep posting about a Time Lord.

/entirely kidding

134 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:02:28am

Hola.

135 Dave In Austin  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:07:51am

They Did Nothing

136 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:08:30am

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, the Snowden Affair is not really a ‘left/right thing’. You’ve got conservative people like Peter King and Marco Rubio who support the NSA, joining with liberals like Diane Feinstein. Meanwhile libertarian NSA-hater Rand Paul counts the liberal Alan Grayson as his ally in this matter.

This issue really does not fit the normal left/right pattern. It’s much more about trust in government in one of its clearly proper functions (that being the nation’s security).

I can’t say I either “support the NSA” or “support Snowden”. The latter attempted to compromise security and build a mountain out of the molehill and the former courted an easily-avoided public relations disaster.

137 Dave In Austin  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:09:04am

I wish I could Edit.

Let’s try that again.

They Did Nothing

138 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:16:41am

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, the Snowden Affair is not really a ‘left/right thing’. You’ve got conservative people like Peter King and Marco Rubio who support the NSA, joining with liberals like Diane Feinstein. Meanwhile libertarian NSA-hater Rand Paul counts the liberal Alan Grayson as his ally in this matter.

This issue really does not fit the normal left/right pattern. It’s much more about trust in government in one of its clearly proper functions (that being the nation’s security).

Grayson’s actions in this has made me question my support of him.

139 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:17:04am

Whew.

140 Randall Gross  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:17:27am

Good morning - drive by just to mention that Breaking Bad season five is now at Netflix

141 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:17:45am

MY POWER WENT OUT AT 2200! I QUESTION THE TIMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

142 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:19:49am

re: #141 Gus

MY POWER WENT OUT AT 2200! I QUESTION THE TIMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Swamp gas.
Next!

143 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:20:18am

California Insurance commissioner Dave Jones-Just now in a live interview. He wants authority over health insurers, which he does not yet have. Malpractice insurance, but not medical.


“Under Obamacare rates are sure to increase. Maybe not triple, maybe not double. Low income people will get subsidized rates…”

What happened to the affordable care act reducing costs?

144 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:23:25am

re: #143 Political Atheist

Simple, he’s full of crap.

145 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:23:59am

re: #142 Varek Raith

Swamp gas.
Next!

Had a rain storm last night. Power flickering. Guess I fell asleep before it finally went out.

146 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:25:18am

Cheeeez…Ann Curry was reporting from Iran and was wearing a head covering. I don’t think she’s Muslim. It always irritates me when I see western women reporters having to do this.

When you cannot go to a country and be yourself as you have experienced in another culture, that isn’t a country I would voluntarily visit.

147 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:27:14am

re: #144 Varek Raith

Given his job and record that’s not a good immediate assumption. This is California, not Texas or Az. He can and has forced rate cuts where he has authority.

148 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:29:00am

David Evan “Dave” Jones (born January 4, 1962) is an American politician. He represented California’s 9th assembly district December 2004 through 2011. He is currently California’s Insurance Commissioner. He is a member of the Democratic Party.
en.wikipedia.org

149 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:30:38am
150 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:32:18am

Many new jobs are part time, low wage

Job growth in recent months has skewed toward part-time work in low-wage industries, and that trend continued in July, Bureau of Labor Statistics figures show.

Retailers led job gains with 47,000, and restaurants and bars added 38,000. All told, four low-paying sectors — retail, restaurants, temporary staffing firms and home health care — accounted for 60% of the jobs added in July, though they make up just 22% of total employment, according to an analysis by Wells Fargo. So far this year, the four sectors have accounted for 45% of the nation’s 1.3 million payroll additions.

“A large portion of the jobs we’re adding tend to be in low-skill occupations,” says Wells Fargo senior economist Mark Vitner.

The trend appears to have improved the job prospects of less educated Americans. Employment for high school graduates increased by nearly 400,000 in July, while payrolls for those with at least a four-year college degree fell by 256,000.

Many of the new jobs, however, are part-time, especially in stores and restaurants. The number of Americans who usually work part-time jumped 174,000 last month, but totals for those who usually work full-time rose by just 92,000. Since March, the ranks of part-timers have swelled by 791,000 vs. 187,000 for full-timers.

The very FIRST thing I noticed when I saw the labor report was the high percentage of created jobs in the retail/restaurant/bar industries. You can guarantee most of these are part-time, low paying jobs.

The article cites the 30-hours worked threshold of Obamacare as a possible reason for the spike in part time hiring. They do note that particular part of the mandate was recently pushed back a year to 2015.

Personally I think it has less to do with Obamacare and more to do with the reality of the American economy.

Businesses are hiring part-time, low wage not only because that’s where the needs are (due to these being high turnover positions in most cases) but also because it’s a cost saving measure.

If you hire part-time/temp/contract that means that you, as an employer are NOT responsible for providing any benefits, vacation time, sick time, etc. to these workers like you would with full time hires.

I know a number of people who don’t have a full time job but work between 35 and 55 hours weekly at TWO part time jobs to make ends meet. The problem is that two part times jobs will still not fully supplement what a single full time job will. You can work as many part time gigs as you want, but none of them will likely offer any kind of benefits.

The sick part of all of this is many major corporations are sitting, just sitting on BILLIONS of dollars in cash reserves and they still want more, more, MORE at the expense of their employees which, in a well run business, should be the most vital part of the company.

150 000 new retail jobs a month is NOT a recovery folks. I’m not blaming Obama for this one, I’m blaming an increasingly partisan, plutocratic, do-nothing ruling class that is crushing those lower on the ladder all while pretending to care about them.

151 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:32:31am
152 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:32:33am

re: #143 Political Atheist

Rates have increased steadily for the past two decades. Obamacare is helping to constrain that growth, and the subsidies will make it a lot easier for people to get insurance, which helps to constrain costs too.

To put it another way, what would be the cost of not implementing Obamacare, and where would rates be without it?

153 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:32:34am

re: #147 Political Atheist

Sounds like he’s using the spectre of rate increases as a means to get more control over rates.
Forgive my cynicism, he’s full of crap.
;)

154 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:33:42am

re: #152 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Rates have increased steadily for the past two decades. Obamacare is helping to constrain that growth, and the subsidies will make it a lot easier for people to get insurance, which helps to constrain costs too.

To put it another way, what would be the cost of not implementing Obamacare, and where would rates be without it?

DEATH PANELS!!

155 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:34:54am
156 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:35:31am


Rebranding.

157 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:36:16am

re: #152 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Still, quite contrary to most of what has been said about costs and rates. Are you admitting those predictions were over optimistic? That the increases were inevitable regardless of the ACA?

re: #153 Varek Raith

Sounds like he’s using the spectre of rate increases as a means to get more control over rates.
Forgive my cynicism, he’s full of crap.
;)

Isn’t strong regulatory authority exactly what we need to hold the insurers to reasonable rates and policies? That commission has done a good job on car insurance for example. He’s a Democrat. Who heads an agency dedicated to regulating insurers.

What is wrong with that picture?

158 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:36:52am

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

My latest fb post:

This morning they were pulling Benghazi from their hats, in many torturous ways.

It’s what gets Fox News the ratings they enjoy from the denizens of Inner and Outer Wingnuttia.

Epistemic Closure + Ideological Reinforcement = $$$$

159 Bear  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:38:13am

At last.There was a Sun Set Friday. juneauempire.com

160 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:40:59am

re: #157 Political Atheist

Uh, we knew that. It’s still far, far better than the status quo.

161 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:41:09am

re: #150 Eclectic Cyborg

Many new jobs are part time, low wage

The very FIRST thing I noticed when I saw the labor report was the high percentage of created jobs in the retail/restaurant/bar industries. You can guarantee most of these are part-time, low paying jobs.

The article cites the 30-hours worked threshold of Obamacare as a possible reason for the spike in part time hiring. They do note that particular part of the mandate was recently pushed back a year to 2015.

Personally I think it has less to do with Obamacare and more to do with the reality of the American economy.

Businesses are hiring part-time, low wage not only because that’s where the needs are (due to these being high turnover positions in most cases) but also because it’s a cost saving measure.

If you hire part-time/temp/contract that means that you, as an employer are NOT responsible for providing any benefits, vacation time, sick time, etc. to these workers like you would with full time hires.

I know a number of people who don’t have a full time job but work between 35 and 55 hours weekly at TWO part time jobs to make ends meet. The problem is that two part times jobs will still not fully supplement what a single full time job will. You can work as many part time gigs as you want, but none of them will likely offer any kind of benefits.

The sick part of all of this is many major corporations are sitting, just sitting on BILLIONS of dollars in cash reserves and they still want more, more, MORE at the expense of their employees which, in a well run business, should be the most vital part of the company.

150 000 new retail jobs a month is NOT a recovery folks. I’m not blaming Obama for this one, I’m blaming an increasingly partisan, plutocratic, do-nothing ruling class that is crushing those lower on the ladder all while pretending to care about them.

Well, from what I know of fast food workers locally, Obamacare is precisely why people are getting fewer hours. This was started in the spring; my grandson was working close to 40 hrs/wk every single week, with 2 days off. However, his hours have been cut to around 24 (usually a 4 day wk of 6 hrs per day). They hired other workers to fill in the payroll hours, keeping all hourly employees to well under 30 hrs. Others I’ve spoken with who work in the restaurant industry say the same thing. They’re hiring new workers to fill in the hours required to run those businesses, and cutting back on those getting over 30.

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:42:34am

re: #143 Political Atheist

California Insurance commissioner Dave Jones-Just now in a live interview. He wants authority over health insurers, which he does not yet have. Malpractice insurance, but not medical.

“Under Obamacare rates are sure to increase. Maybe not triple, maybe not double. Low income people will get subsidized rates…”

What happened to the affordable care act reducing costs?

Ask him why New York’s rates are going down by 50% if his are going up?

163 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:46:24am

re: #156 Gus

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Rebranding.

I saw two giant Rush advertisements at a shopping mall yesterday. Had to use a lot of self control to keep from defacing them.

164 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:47:10am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

Well, from what I know of fast food workers locally, Obamacare is precisely why people are getting fewer hours. This was started in the spring; my grandson was working close to 40 hrs/wk every single week, with 2 days off. However, his hours have been cut to around 24 (usually a 4 day wk of 6 hrs per day). They hired other workers to fill in the payroll hours, keeping all hourly employees to well under 30 hrs. Others I’ve spoken with who work in the restaurant industry say the same thing. They’re hiring new workers to fill in the hours required to run those businesses, and cutting back on those getting over 30.

Restaurant workers are already handled differently under wage (tips) laws - perhaps the restaurant industry will have to be regulated differently on this matter as well? Any restaurant with more than X (the appropriate number to be determined - perhaps 1/2 of the current “full time” number?) is required to provide health insurance no matter the hourly status of the employees?

165 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:47:32am

re: #162 William Barnett-Lewis

Lots of things are different between the states, but sure I’d like to have seen that question put up. Not sure how familiar a California regulator would be with a state that distant and it’s policies.

166 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:47:43am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

Well, from what I know of fast food workers locally, Obamacare is precisely why people are getting fewer hours. This was started in the spring; my grandson was working close to 40 hrs/wk every single week, with 2 days off. However, his hours have been cut to around 24 (usually a 4 day wk of 6 hrs per day). They hired other workers to fill in the payroll hours, keeping all hourly employees to well under 30 hrs. Others I’ve spoken with who work in the restaurant industry say the same thing. They’re hiring new workers to fill in the hours required to run those businesses, and cutting back on those getting over 30.

Hmm, ok. So the GOP was actually right about that particular negative impact of the ACA?

167 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:51:43am

News flash!
Before the ACA ever existed most low wage jobs had shit hours precisely so you wouldn’t qualify for their health plans.

168 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:52:34am

re: #164 William Barnett-Lewis

No, these people are not wait staff who get tips. Everyone knows it’s because these companies don’t want to offer health care. For instance, the company that runs the Burger King my g-son works at is Carrols Corp which acquired 278 franchises from Burger King in June 2012, among its other holdings. The only employees who are eligible for group health care now are those on salary, which usually are only 2 or 3 mgrs/asst mgrs.

169 urbanmeemaw  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:56:02am

re: #115 NJDhockeyfan

I agree that he wants money/attention, but I also think he has another agenda as well.

170 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 9:56:14am

re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg

Hmm, ok. So the GOP was actually right about the particular negative impact of the ACA?

Setting aside partisan score keeping for a moment as counterproductive to objectively evaluating the facts and events-I don’t think it’s beyond reason to think rates and coverage will go up together. Maybe better care for more people costs more money, and we will just have to knuckle down and accept the possibility in the near/mid term. Maybe like higher taxes or higher mortgage rates or higher energy costs when oil goes up we just have to pay. Vastly more care (all those uninsured) at less costs for the average payer might have been an oversell.

I’m not posting this as a ding on the admin, but a a look at events and wondering what the next best steps might be. Like maybe adding medical insurers to the authority of our insurance commission. Adding that regulatory oversight as a check on corporate power.

171 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:00:43am

re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg

Is that a trick question? ACA is fraught with compromises to the Rs simply to get the legislation through (very similar to the Romney plan in MA). My question would be: Why don’t these companies want to offer insurance? And why are they cutting hours so that many of those employees will be eligible for Medicaid?

Basically, what these companies are doing is the “Walmart Plan” when it comes to wages and hours and depending on govt to prop people up with Medicaid, food stamps and the like.

Why aren’t conservatives railing about this? Because they really don’t care about jobs or wages, and it means more profit for the corporations giving them their marching orders?

What we really need is a Medicare type health system for everyone that would cut out vampire insurance companies totally. Call it National Health if you like, but it’s long overdue.

172 piratedan  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:04:59am

re: #170 Political Atheist

well it depends on the players, namely the medical providers and the insurance industry in the state. California has a different set of players than NY does, Kaiser, Columbia, various “Catholic” chains are all out there on the medical side, plus whoever the insurers are, say Cigna, United, et al. This may be one of those situations where details matter and California is a different cat than NY when you consider the dynamic between LA, San Diego, San Jose, San Francisco, Sacramento and the various valleys.

173 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:14:47am

Senior U.S. Official: Intercepted Al Qaeda Communications Indicate Planned Attack ‘Big,’ ‘Strategically Significant’

abcnews.go.com

This is before Glennlandia comes on (the entire “This Week” shows on this site). Sort of ironic.

174 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:20:06am

Well that’s my thought:

Falling, under the 30-hour threshold, those employees will likely be forced into the exchanges thanks to the individual mandate.

Therefore, the companies are allowing the government to provide health care to their workers via the exchanges. It will be interesting to see how coverage in the exchanges compares to the employer provided alternative.

175 Carlos Danger  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:22:37am

re: #143 Political Atheist

Honest question- what would be better from your point of view: Single payer, the ACA, or the previous status quo?

176 b.d.  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:26:41am

Not finished with my research yet but I’m 95% positive that Shark Week is an Obama led false flag diversion to get us to quit talking about the NSA.

//

177 Stanley Sea  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:29:51am

Did someone flounce?’

…asks bored gossip queen of the morning

178 freetoken  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:30:26am

Using bio-warfare to save SoCal’s citrus:

Citrus growers import wasp to fight disease threatening groves

I hope they succeed. For whatever reason - I don’t think it has been citrus greening - for the past year or so the local citrus trees have not been having a happy time. Perhaps it’s the wild temperature variations, but many of the home-owners in my area are not getting good fruit.

179 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:33:07am

I don’t know how many of you have lived under single payer but I have.

And let me tell you, I will be the first one to grant that the Canadian health care system is far from perfect, but it saved my life in college and I wasn’t stuck with a huge bill at the end of it. Another thing I loved about Canada was the ban on advertising prescriptions. The U.S. must be the most medicated country on the planet, I swear.

Single payer is not some holy grail of health care systems but I’d argue it is the best we’ve come up with so for.

I’m a firm believer that profit motive should never factor in to health care decisions.

180 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:40:40am

re: #168 Justanotherhuman

No, these people are not wait staff who get tips. Everyone knows it’s because these companies don’t want to offer health care. For instance, the company that runs the Burger King my g-son works at is Carrols Corp which acquired 278 franchises from Burger King in June 2012, among its other holdings. The only employees who are eligible for group health care now are those on salary, which usually are only 2 or 3 mgrs/asst mgrs.

I understand that - I am saying that health care may need to be dealt with in a similar manner. That’s all.

181 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:42:00am

re: #175 Carlos Danger

Honest question- what would be better from your point of view: Single payer, the ACA, or the previous status quo?

I can’t speak for RWC but I do pray that ACA is simply a short term stepping stone to full single payer.

182 freetoken  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:45:08am

Uruguay, which btw has both public and private health care options, goes hazy:

Guess which country is set to legalize marijuana?

THE URUGUAYAN LOWER house of parliament passed a bill that would create the world’s first legal, regulated marijuana markets Wednesday night. The bill passed on a vote of 50-46 after nearly 12 hours of debate.

[…]

President Jose Mujica has been pushing the bill as a means of attacking black markets and organized crime by creating a legal, licensed marijuana marketplace. He first unveiled it nearly a year ago, but postponed voting at year’s end to try to rally public support. A “Responsible Regulation” campaign including TV ads tried to sway the public in recent weeks, to little effect, and public opinion remained opposed to the measure.

But Mujica’s Broad Front (Frente Amplio) coalition held a narrow 50-49 edge in the lower house, and parliamentary discipline prevailed. The bill will go before the upper house later this year. The Broad Front holds a bigger majority there, meaning the bill should pass if discipline continues to hold.

[…]

183 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:45:56am

re: #157 Political Atheist

Still, quite contrary to most of what has been said about costs and rates.

No, it’s not quite contrary.

Are you admitting those predictions were over optimistic? That the increases were inevitable regardless of the ACA?

I’m not ‘admitting’ anything. I’m not going to have a conversation where you’re trying to get me to ‘admit’ things, thanks.

Isn’t strong regulatory authority exactly what we need to hold the insurers to reasonable rates and policies? That commission has done a good job on car insurance for example. He’s a Democrat. Who heads an agency dedicated to regulating insurers.

What is wrong with that picture?

Could you come out and say plainly whatever it is you’re saying? I can’t tell. Do I think the government should be much more aggressive in addressing the parasitical health insurers? Yes. If that’s not the question you’re asking, I don’t really know what you’re asking.

184 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:53:56am

I’ll be back in a bit, but there’s only 7 minutes left until the Live Special on BBC America.

185 A Mom Anon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:56:23am

Here’s a gem about what’s happening with the ACA here in GA.

Go Team, Yay.

186 Carlos Danger  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 10:58:47am

re: #185 A Mom Anon

Here’s a gem about what’s happening with the ACA here in GA.

Go Team, Yay.

I like all the commenters calling each other “saps”. It’s like something out of a 1940s comic strip.

187 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:00:05am

Here it is.

GERONIMO!

188 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:03:18am

re: #185 A Mom Anon

Sounds like all the “good old boys” know each other, too. Just like here in NC. We’ll be going through a similar fresh hell.

189 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:04:13am

re: #175 Carlos Danger

I’m not sure the best choice is among those options. But lets assume robust competition and strong regulation of a wide spread of providers is off the table. Or the medicare buy in is not an option. Given those two things, single payer.

190 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:07:29am

re: #183 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No, it’s not quite contrary.

I’m not ‘admitting’ anything. I’m not going to have a conversation where you’re trying to get me to ‘admit’ things, thanks.

Could you come out and say plainly whatever it is you’re saying? I can’t tell. Do I think the government should be much more aggressive in addressing the parasitical health insurers? Yes. If that’s not the question you’re asking, I don’t really know what you’re asking.

Okay I should have said “saying” instead of “admitting”. Past that I thought I was reasonably clear. As I wrote above-Maybe rates are going up necessarily (again contrary top quite, far from all) a bit of the pro ACA commentary) and we should let the California commission have oversight it wants to have over the providers.

191 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:07:52am

re: #7 PhillyPretzel

Pyle would have helped the soldiers today’s “journalists” would have reported locations to the enemy.

Now, now, don’t go all broad brush.

My friend John Burnett, all 6’7” of him, is more typical of what a real journalist is and should be:

npr.org

He also is a brilliant mouth harp player. He and She Who Must Be Obeyed have played together a time or two. A genuinely nice guy.

192 A Mom Anon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:14:32am

re: #186 Carlos Danger

The AJC’s comments section is usually a cesspool of idiots. They also have something called The Vent on their website, good god what a trainwreck of Southern stereotypes that is. I have tried at least a dozen times to post a counterpoint to some of the bullshit that goes on in that section and my comments never have made it out of moderation.

But yeah, our Insurance Commissioner is playing games with this crap and it’s going to hurt people. Employers are already playing games to get out of giving their employees decent or any insurance, these asshats aren’t helping.

193 Carlos Danger  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:25:47am

re: #192 A Mom Anon

I had to look that up. Oh god, what:

Why don’t we ask the unions to bail out Detroit? They care about Detroit a lot more than most of us do..We have Atlanta to worry about.

Paying taxes is like paying for a new Rolls Royce and getting a used Yugo instead.

If you see a racist behind every white face, you’re the racist.

The second fire reported at Tyler Perry’s studio this year. Whatever it takes to stop the Madea movies.

Twitter for misanthropes?

194 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:36:12am

re: #183 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No, it’s not quite contrary.

Why not?

“I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”

I think that validates my contention above. But I need to repeat I’m not score keeping, but trying to evaluate whats coming and plan accordingly.

195 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:55:02am

re: #190 Political Atheist

Okay I should have said “saying” instead of “admitting”. Past that I thought I was reasonably clear. As I wrote above-Maybe rates are going up necessarily (again contrary top quite, far from all) a bit of the pro ACA commentary) and we should let the California commission have oversight it wants to have over the providers.

The ACA we got in the end was also a bastardized version, after letting the GOP and the insurance-pocket Democrats swing away at it.

I agree that in the interim, the commissioner should have the regulatory power over insurers, but in the end we’re really going to need single-payer or something very akin to it.

196 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:02:49pm

re: #195 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

We might disagree over what would be best. Well run single payer would be better than what I see coming. But in any case my point is about seeing a bit up the road we are traveling. That road is called The Affordable Care Act. I just hope the end resembles the title.

197 A Mom Anon  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:05:28pm

re: #193 Carlos Danger

And those were the nicer “vents”. I wouldn’t recommend digging too much farther into that unless you want to lose all your remaining faith in humanity. I’ve lived here for half my life now, I’m still waiting on that famed “southern hospitality” to show itself.

198 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:51:05pm

Regarding journalists in wartime, the military changed the rules after the Vietnam War. During that conflict, reporters were free to move around (within reason) somewhat independently of the military. This resulted in some great reporting, as during WWII. It also resulted in coverage that was not supportive of the war effort. So, the military went to the embedding system, where the movements and reporting of journalists is more tightly controlled. Under these circumstances, even if there were another Ernie Pyle, it’s hard to say if he would have the same freedom the original had.

199 Red Lion  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 9:06:17pm

I’ve worked as a journalist for E.W. Scripps for the past 19 months, and this is the first time I’ve thought that I work for the same company that employed Ernie Pyle. It is inspiring.


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