Recommended: Getting XKeyscore Right

Dissecting Greenwald’s fear mongering
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An excellent piece from Joshua Foust on Glenn Greenwald’s numerous misrepresentations of the NSA’s XKeyscore tools: Getting XKeyscore Right.

Foust zeroes in on a Greenwald rhetorical trick I’ve also pointed out several times: he conflates the ability to do something with actually doing it. This is such a common theme in Greenwald’s pieces that there can be no doubt it’s a deliberate tactic to obfuscate the truth.

Greenwald does not substantiate any claim to systemic abuse of XKeyscore. He does not provide a single instance where it was used — illegally — to collect information on a U.S. citizen. In fact, the discussion about potential abuse of NSA programs remains theoretical. There are no credible allegations of widespread, illegal abuse of the programs in place to identify and track suspected terrorists. (Even Senator Ron Wyden, in noting that the intelligence community “misled Congress about the usefulness” of mass collection programs, is not identifying systemic abuses or failure of oversight audits within the system.) The potential for abuse is real and not to be discounted, but it is misleading to present it as actual abuse.

But more importantly, the documents posted by the Guardian to back up Greenwald’s latest overheated claims are more than 6 years old.

The Guardian also posted an entire deck of slides (warning to government-employed readers: the slides are highly classified) on its website, which purport to describe the XKeyscore system. This is where the question of journalistic overreach advances from quibbling about presentation and tabloid-style hype to outright misrepresentation.

Greenwald claims in his piece that Xkeyscore allows analysts to indiscriminately read emails, including those of American citizens. Yet the slides themselves only mention indexing and metadata. Nowhere do they mention reading the content of emails, either because it is illegal without a warrant (in the case of U.S. citizens) or XKeyscore is not the correct system to do so.

The date that these slides were created is critical. Greenwald and the Guardian posted them as relevant sourcing material for the XKeyscore program. Yet they are not current — in fact, the slides refer to a program that was almost certainly changed significantly due to updates in U.S. law. In the lower right-hand corner of the first slide is an important set of numbers.

They show that the Powerpoint was first created on January 8, 2007 and should be declassified on January 8, 2032 under the standard guidelines of Executive Order 13526. But if the slides were drafted in January of 2007, then they pre-date both the Protect America Act (passed in August of 2007), which modified large swaths of the NSA’s warrantless surveillance programs first started under President Bush, and the FISA Amendments Act (passed in July of 2008), which instituted strict limits on how the NSA can collect, and required a specific warrant to intentionally collect, any data on a U.S. citizen. The title slide is marked 2008, but it’s unclear how it was modified, since the classification date would have to be updated if it included new classified data. It is also unclear if the slides were published in the months before or after the passage of the FISA Amendments Act.

The Guardian appears to be using obsolete slides created for a program that was later modified significantly through changes to U.S. law.

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54 comments
1 Carlos Diggler  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:27:12am
Foust zeroes in on a Greenwald rhetorical trick I’ve also pointed out several times: he conflates the ability to do something with actually doing it.

A similar sleight of rhetoric is conflating a false or inaccurate statement with lying: if a statement is found to be false, it is therefore a lie.

Conspiracy theorists and their followers do this all the time.

Back to Greenwald, he’s either so intellectually muddled that he believes his own BS, or he knows what he’s doing and continues to do it.

2 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:27:19am

It’s Peter Capaldi!

3 erik_t  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:30:26am

I can’t overemphasize the degree to which I appreciate a note like

(warning to government-employed readers: the slides are highly classified)

It’s this sort of thoughtful consideration of the context and environment surrounding the issue that Greenbeck so clearly and profoundly lacks. Some of us have an actual real-life need to not see things that are officially classified, even if they’re on the front page of the Times or something.

If a journalist knows that, and his or her reporting reflects that, it’s reassuring. It means they are initiating this (very important) conversation with an understanding of how we got where we are, and with enough background to be able to talk about where we should go.

4 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:30:47am
5 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:31:49am

re: #2 ProTARDISLiberal

It’s Peter Capaldi!

Hearkening back to the days of William Hartnell and Jon Pertwee. An older actor to play the Doctor.

6 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:35:36am

re: #5 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

Yep. He looks a bit like Pertwee too! I think he will be a more suave Doctor than Matt Smith. Will be interesting to see how the older, more suave Doctor interacts with my favorite Companion, Clara Oswald.

7 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:37:32am

re: #5 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

He is also a Scottish person of Irish and Italian descent.

8 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:37:48am

Some direct clarification from the NSA would help. Of course they wouldn’t believe them. Everything is part of this vast conspiracy.

9 ObserverArt  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:38:14am

The reason this rhetorical trick works and is now commonly used by all sorts of hacks is people want to believe the worst about everything. So “could” becomes did because everyone just knows how that nasty government works.

I swear the internet has elevated wingnutty moonbeamness to new heights or lows depending on your particular outlook.

Add in Fox news and TV news in general going for sensational when the truth won’t work and this sort of reporting is everywhere. Not to forget rabid radio spew. The middle ground where reality resides seems to have been vacated by the media.

As John Lennon sang…just gimme some truth.

It doesn’t seem to be too forthcoming. So this is what we get.

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:40:13am

re: #2 ProTARDISLiberal

It’s Peter Capaldi!

And he’s Scottish…so “it can’t be crap”…

11 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:41:17am

Capaldi has wanted to be the Doctor since he was 15, which would have been in the Pertwee era.

Mission Accomplished!

12 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:45:41am

Also, the Doctor now seems to have permanent height, more or less.

Peter Capaldi is 6” foot.

Matt Smith is 5”11’

David Tennant is 6”1’

Christopher Eccleston is 6”

Every Doctor since the revival has been 6” foot ± an inch

And I tower over all of them. 6”5’

13 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:46:45am

re: #11 ProTARDISLiberal

Capaldi has wanted to be the Doctor since he was 15, which would have been in the Pertwee era.

Mission Accomplished!

Interestingly, Mr. Capaldi is the same age as William Hartnell was when he was cast as the Doctor back in 1963.

14 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:48:02am

re: #13 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist

But he doesn’t look as old as Hartnell did. He looks more like Pertwee or Tom Baker.

Life expetancies have gone up.

15 Kragar  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:48:37am

Didn’t Capaldi play the Roman father in the episodes about Pompeii?

16 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:49:43am

re: #15 Kragar

Yep. Tennant did the same thing with Audioplays, and Colin Baker played a part in “The Arc of Infinity.”

17 Mattand  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:51:58am

LOL, I’d post this article over Ars Technica’s latest meltdown about Snowden, but I’d probably get doxxed by some script kiddie because I’m a tool of the oppressive Obama dictatorship.

Thanks for posting this. It’s absolutely amazing how little people outside of the political wonk/tech blogosphere actually critically look at Greenwald.

18 freetoken  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 11:57:54am

re: #11 ProTARDISLiberal

I suppose one could use the spoiler tag, though in this case such things become news quickly.

19 freetoken  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:00:01pm

This technique, of exploiting what could happen as an example of what does happen, is such an old trick. But people fall for it all the time.

This is why we have trial courts with an elaborate system of laws and rules, so that in some sense an objective evaluation of an accusation can be reached.

Greenwald might as well ask Obama if he’s stopped beating Michelle yet.

20 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:02:01pm

re: #19 freetoken

And that is what makes it so darned effective.

21 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:02:54pm

My playthrough in Skyrim is shaping up.

In combat, I use a combination of Magic and One Armed Weapons, with the occasional box. No Shield.

22 erik_t  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:05:05pm

re: #17 Mattand

I’ll miss the System Guides, but the place is so far off the rails I don’t think I’m going to contribute advertising revenue any longer.

Unfortunate, but life goes on.

23 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:06:02pm

Thanks for this, Charles.

Also, note the tone of this article, and the cynical comments following it: theguardian.com

It seems The Guardian has given Greenwald plenty of space to plant his seeds, which are also being tended by others.

24 Kragar  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:07:22pm

re: #21 ProTARDISLiberal

My playthrough in Skyrim is shaping up.

In combat, I use a combination of Magic and One Armed Weapons, with the occasional box. No Shield.

I usually go archer, with a dagger for one hand and invis in the other for melee.

25 Mattand  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:10:59pm

re: #22 erik_t

I’ll miss the System Guides, but the place is so far off the rails I don’t think I’m going to contribute advertising revenue any longer.

Unfortunate, but life goes on.

I’m not quite ready to call it quits yet, but I fully understand your decision.

What’s fascinating is how easily many really smart, computer-literate people are letting Greenwald scare them into submission. I mean, I think everyone should have a healthy skepticism of what government does, but what Greenwald’s doing is heading toward Alex Jones country.

26 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:13:54pm
27 Mattand  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:14:02pm

re: #21 ProTARDISLiberal

My playthrough in Skyrim is shaping up.

In combat, I use a combination of Magic and One Armed Weapons, with the occasional box. No Shield.

I borrowed the game from my brother, but I haven’t had to the guts to put in yet. Its timesink rep is preceding it.

I was babysitting for him once and played it for a bit. It was literally two hours of character creation, talking to villagers and running from a bear. I don’t think there was any combat involved.

And then I’m hearing of people putting 100 hours into it? Might be best to stay away from it for a bit, LOL.

28 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:16:12pm
29 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:16:33pm

re: #26 bratwurst

They have got to be kidding. On second thought it is the GOP and they would believe something like that.

30 Kragar  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:17:19pm

re: #27 Mattand

I borrowed the game from my brother, but I haven’t had to the guts to put in yet. Its timesink rep is preceding it.

I was babysitting for him once and played it for a bit. It was literally two hours of character creation, talking to villagers and running from a bear. I don’t think there was any combat involved.

And then I’m hearing of people putting 100 hours into it? Might be best to stay away from it for a bit, LOL.

100 hours?

Light weights.

31 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:17:33pm

The internet can be weirdly creepy. Looking through a comment thread for a day ago, I found some dude named Nasruddin had downdinged almost every single one of my posts. Like, including ones that were just jokes.

I don’t get that sort of shit. Like, at least talk to the person you’re creeping on, yeah?

32 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:19:02pm
he conflates the ability to do something with actually doing it. This is such a common theme in Greenwald’s pieces that there can be no doubt it’s a deliberate tactic to obfuscate the truth.

It’s the point of view of combatants. Go by the “enemies” capability rather than willingness. The most hostile viewpoint available. He’s trying to promote the us vs them as real enemies version of reality. Gives no credence to the fact the NSA is on our side as a high tech counter terror tool we need. Few facts lots of paranoid attitude and exaggerations. Obfuscate? Yes, IMHO in a particular deliberate way.

33 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:20:57pm

re: #31 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The internet can be weirdly creepy. Looking through a comment thread for a day ago, I found some dude named Nasrussin had downdinged almost every single one of my posts. Like, including ones that were just jokes.

I don’t get that sort of shit. Like, at least talk to the person you’re creeping on, yeah?

littlegreenfootballs.com

34 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:22:06pm

re: #33 Gus

littlegreenfootballs.com

So weird. What motivates people like that? I just don’t get it.

In other news, here’s a retelling of the two versions of the Chinese myth of Pan Gu:

bettermyths.com

35 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:27:15pm

re: #8 Gus

Some direct clarification from the NSA would help. Of course they wouldn’t believe them. Everything is part of this vast conspiracy.

May I suggest that if one wants to learn more about the hush-hush systems, technologies, their special features and how they work, it might be productive to look to those government, military and business entities that create, promote and market them.

Stuff that they choose to put on the web as part such marketing may be more info-rich in some ways than what reporters and whistle-blowers can dig up.

For example, Palantir is one of the major players in these controversial new technologies, and it offers lots of videos on Youtube.

36 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:27:33pm

re: #34 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

So weird. What motivates people like that? I just don’t get it.

In that case, it was a Greenwald cultist who was banned for spewing insults, coming back with a sock puppet. Guess he showed us.

37 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:30:17pm

re: #31 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The internet can be weirdly creepy. Looking through a comment thread for a day ago

Out of curiosity, which thread?

38 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:33:32pm

re: #37 Interesting Times

The thread about the woman who didn’t get visited because of the NSA.

39 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:34:20pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

The weird part is he picked a thread where the facts really, really, really don’t back up the shit at all. It’s not even arguable. Such a strange place to make a stand.

40 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:39:21pm

re: #38 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The thread about the woman who didn’t get visited because of the NSA.

Looks like, starting about the halfway point, he downdinged everyone, all in a row. I tried to cancel them out, but unlike him, lack the energy to go through the whole remaining thread. I guess cultism is a helluva drug! o_O

41 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:39:45pm

re: #39 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Libertarians are strange.

42 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:40:23pm
43 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:40:27pm

UNDERCOVER. HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT WORK?

44 Kragar  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:44:28pm

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

UNDERCOVER. HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT WORK?

[Embedded content]

My grade schoolers have more sense than that fucknut.

45 jaunte  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:48:24pm
46 Stanley Sea  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:50:46pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

From the article:

As comedian Louis CK so deftly observes, “is there even a word in the English language that a black person can use to hurt a white man’s feelings?” No.

From the comments:

Two words a black person can use to hurt a white person’s feelings (at least out in the exurbs): “Hi, neighbor.”

47 Kragar  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:52:08pm

Greenwald makes Ron Burgundy look like Walter Cronkite

48 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:53:26pm
49 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:55:04pm
50 erik_t  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:55:31pm

re: #47 Kragar

Greenwald makes Ron Burgundy look like Walter Cronkite

I’m Ron Burgundy and go fuck yourself, the Guardian.

51 Gus  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 12:59:31pm

Damn.

52 BongCrodny  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 1:05:10pm

re: #47 Kragar

Greenwald makes Ron Burgundy look like Walter Cronkite

Hell, Greenwald makes Ted Baxter look like Walter Cronkite.

53 gunnison  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 1:31:40pm

Off topic totally.
Can’t get any comments to load on LGF today, if I’m logged in. They load fine if I’m not logged in though.
Trying to post this comment just to see what happens.
Cleared cache and cookies the logged in again, but no luck so far.

No entiendo.

54 gunnison  Sun, Aug 4, 2013 2:16:13pm

Re-booted, now it’s working.
OK - back to Greenwaldistan, y’all.
:)


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