1 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:02:53pm

Dudebro meltdowns in 3…2…1…

2 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:04:31pm

Has Obama’s NSA stopped looking through all my personal emails, FB posts, and LGF pages?????

//

3 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:04:39pm

Greenwald has already been mocking Obama before he even speaks.

4 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:06:13pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Greenwald has already been mocking Obama before he even speaks.

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As if we needed more proof that Glenn isn’t interested in a “debate,” but instead wanting to dictate terms.

5 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:08:00pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

Let’s be fair; the fact that Obama didn’t consult The GG personally just shows that he is not truly serious about real reform.

6 geoffm33  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:08:07pm
7 b.d.  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:08:19pm

Obama called this press conference to shut Glenn Greenwald up!!

8 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:09:04pm

re: #5 Internet Tough Guy

Let’s be fair; the fact that Obama didn’t consult The GG personally just shows that he is not truly serious about real reform.

If PBO was serious he would arrange for Snowden to come back and be put in charge of NSA. //

9 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:10:07pm
10 Ian G.  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:12:26pm

re: #6 geoffm33

Trump has been spouting off about Alex Rodriguez recently, and wondering why the Yankees don’t simply stop paying him. Someone find “guaranteed contract” in the dictionary and show it to Donny.

I hate the Yankees, but I hate Donald Trump far more, and was enjoying the blistering replies to his idiocy I saw on one Yankees blog.

11 Ian G.  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:13:08pm

re: #9 Lidane

Oh, I’m sure Greenwald is fully informed. He just doesn’t care what the facts are. He’s a propagandist, pure and simple.

12 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:13:34pm

If the outside experts don’t include The GG, then obviously its tyranny.

13 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:15:09pm


LIES! Obummer wants to know my Aunt Pearl’s secret chicken recipe and about my Facebook life events!

/////

14 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:18:11pm

re: #10 Ian G.

Trump has been spouting off about Alex Rodriguez recently, and wondering why the Yankees don’t simply stop paying him. Someone find “guaranteed contract” in the dictionary and show it to Donny.

He’s used to just declaring bankruptcy to get out of those…

15 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:18:43pm

re: #13 Lidane

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LIES! Obummer wants to know my Aunt Pearl’s secret chicken recipe and about my Facebook life events!

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Dear Concerned Citizen,

Aunt Pearl needs to cut down on the bay leaves and add some onion.

The NSA

16 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:18:49pm


THANKS OBAMA!

17 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:21:08pm

I expect there will be some sort of violent incidents against LGBT athletes at the Olympics. Its practically a foregone conclusion.

18 conspiracynut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:21:10pm

I don’t believe him.

19 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:21:44pm

re: #18 conspiracynut

I don’t believe him.

Who?

20 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:22:37pm

re: #15 Kragar

Dear Concerned Citizen,

Aunt Pearl needs to cut down on the bay leaves and add some onion.

The NSA

Thanks a lot. Now I’m sitting here at my desk laughing like an idiot. My interns are staring.

21 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:22:43pm

re: #17 Kragar

I expect there will be some sort of violent incidents against LGBT athletes at the Olympics. Its practically a foregone conclusion.

My only hope, if we don’t boycott this, is that whatever fucking assholes try to beat down some Olympians get their asses Olympian whooped, but sadly being a good athlete doesn’t make you good at fighting at all.

If we do go, we should send heavy protection for the athletes.

22 b.d.  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:24:03pm

OMG Obama said he didn’t think Snowbunny is a patriot!!1!

23 conspiracynut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:24:23pm

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

Who?

The nice guy giving the press conference.

24 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:24:48pm

re: #23 conspiracynut

The nice guy giving the press conference.

Based on what?

25 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:25:02pm
26 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:25:02pm

re: #21 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

My only hope, if we don’t boycott this, is that whatever fucking assholes try to beat down some Olympians get their asses Olympian whooped, but sadly being a good athlete doesn’t make you good at fighting at all.

If we do go, we should send heavy protection for the athletes.

BTW, Did you get a chance to read thru that email? I’ve added to my original and rewrote some of it.

27 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:26:03pm

I smell something.

28 Balfour Rage  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:26:10pm

re: #18 conspiracynut

I don’t believe him.

I don’t believe Republicans either!

29 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:26:20pm

re: #27 Kragar

I smell something.

It’s all of Aunt Pearl’s extra bay leaves.

30 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:26:27pm

re: #26 Kragar

BTW, Did you get a chance to read thru that email? I’ve added to my original and rewrote some of it.

Yeah, I’d be interested in seeing the updates. I liked it but I felt mostly like I wanted to see a bit more to get a feel for it, if you don’t mind sending over the rewrite that’d probably be more useful than me commenting on old stuff.

31 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:26:39pm

re: #29 Lidane

It’s all of Aunt Pearl’s extra bay leaves.

GOD DAMN IT PEARL!

32 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:26:42pm

re: #27 Kragar

I smell something.

Dude, I took a shower today, I swear!

//

33 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:26:56pm

re: #21 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The USOC can provide self-defense training?

34 blueraven  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:26:58pm

re: #18 conspiracynut

conspiracy nuts never do.

35 Balfour Rage  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:27:36pm

re: #23 conspiracynut

The nice guy giving the press conference.

Ohhhhh, you mean the BLACK GUY that’s POTUS giving the press conference, got ya.

36 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:28:07pm
37 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:28:15pm

Donald J. Trump
FACT - the reason why Americans have to worry about a government shutdown is because Obama refuses to pass a budget

trump has already passed the budget in his head by a vote of hair to nothing

38 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:29:32pm

re: #18 conspiracynut

I don’t believe him.

you’re problem is that there are some politicians and pundits that you do believe

39 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:30:05pm

re: #30 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, I’d be interested in seeing the updates. I liked it but I felt mostly like I wanted to see a bit more to get a feel for it, if you don’t mind sending over the rewrite that’d probably be more useful than me commenting on old stuff.

Just sent

40 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:31:46pm

Fischer: Unconfessed Sin Can Cause Physical Illness

Illness doesn’t work that way Bryan.

41 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:33:37pm

re: #40 Kragar

Fischer: Unconfessed Sin Can Cause Physical Illness

Illness doesn’t work that way Bryan.

If that were true, I’d have been dead long, long ago.

42 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:34:00pm

re: #2 Bulworth

Has Obama’s NSA stopped looking through all my personal emails, FB posts, and LGF pages?????

//

I hope not. My pages need all the hits I can get!!!

43 geoffm33  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:36:56pm

re: #40 Kragar

Fischer: Unconfessed Sin Can Cause Physical Illness

Illness doesn’t work that way Bryan.

No, the guilt you’ve been programmed to feel when committing a sin and not confessing it may lead to physical illness. #worrywort

44 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:37:29pm

Guilt can lead to anxiety. Chronic anxiety can lead to health problems.

45 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:39:33pm

re: #44 Amory Blaine

Guilt can lead to anxiety. Chronic anxiety can lead to health problems.

Which is completely different from what Bryan is talking about. Bryan wants to make sure people feel guilty over behavior he personally disagrees with.

46 blueraven  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:40:58pm

Could some of these reporters be more obtuse? POTUS has re-stated his position on NSA over and over.

47 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:42:09pm

re: #46 blueraven

Could some of these reporters be more obtuse? POTUS has re-stated his position on NSA over and over.

Yes, who was that annoying blonde?

49 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:43:37pm

re: #45 Kragar

I’m definitely not defending Fischer. Just trying to connect a parallel reasoning.

50 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:45:03pm

BEGHAZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!

51 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:46:02pm

is it ok if i just confess my SIMs?

52 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:46:34pm

I’m pretty sure Obama made that doing the dishes analogy just to troll Greenwald, knowing that GG isn’t the dish-doing member of his household.

53 Greup  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:47:28pm

re: #40 Kragar

Fischer: Unconfessed Sin Can Cause Physical Illness

Illness doesn’t work that way Bryan.

Actually i think it can: its called Nocebo, and is the opposite of Placebo. So if you THINK your unconfessed sin is making you sick , it can happen. Usually its about medicine/drugs but the definitions are sometimes used broader.
(which leads me to my favorite scientific fact: Large Placebo pills work better than small Placebo pills.)

54 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:49:06pm
55 blueraven  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:49:50pm

GOP is a Death cult!

56 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:50:08pm

Sic ‘em!

57 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:50:32pm

Yeah!! Defending the ACA!!!

58 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:50:39pm

“We’ve secretly replaced Ed Henry’s brain with Michelle Bachmann’s. Let see if anyone can tell the difference!”

59 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:50:40pm

re: #54 Lidane

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Hey King, sit and spin!

60 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:52:14pm
61 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:52:33pm

Heads going ‘splodey all over the place:

62 b.d.  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:53:16pm

re: #54 Lidane

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If you’re pissing off either Peter of Steve King then you’re doing something right.

63 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:53:21pm

“You want to shutdown the government to prevent 30 million Americans from getting healthcare?”

Check and Mate.

64 geoffm33  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:53:59pm




65 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:54:16pm

Media reaction Dept.
Quck, guess what network is running with this headline (no peeking)

Snowden revelations force Obama’s hand on surveillance program

I was really surprised at that.

66 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:55:35pm
67 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:56:12pm

re: #65 Political Atheist

I was really surprised at that.

Gotta get the page clicks from the Dudebros somehow.

68 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:57:42pm
69 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:57:46pm

re: #65 Political Atheist

Media reaction Dept.
Quck, guess what network is running with this headline (no peeking)

Snowden revelations force Obama’s hand on surveillance program

I was really surprised at that.

Force his hand? As he pointed out during the speech, half the shit that’s been done to make the intelligence community more transparent was done at his insistence before Snowden became a one-hit wonder.

70 AlexRogan  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 12:58:48pm

re: #18 conspiracynut

Been holding your powder dry, more or less, for the better part of two weeks…isn’t that nice?

71 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:01:31pm

re: #68 Lidane

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I didn’t think he was contemptuous. He was frank. It took them by surprise because he’s usually not that frank.

72 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:02:20pm
73 Mike Lamb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:02:36pm

re: #40 Kragar

Fischer: Unconfessed Sin Can Cause Physical Illness

Illness doesn’t work that way Bryan.

Dear Bryan,

Crime & Punishment was a work of fiction.

Signed,

FD

74 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:02:54pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

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Let me guess, the general theme is “NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!”?

75 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:04:32pm

re: #71 wrenchwench

I didn’t think he was contemptuous. He was frank. It took them by surprise because he’s usually not that frank.

Must put a negative spin on it I guess.

76 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:04:37pm
77 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:05:10pm

Hugo Schwyzer is having a meltdown on twitter. I’ve always thought he was kind of a con artist but this looks like a legit manic meltdown, or he should just become an actor.

twitter.com

78 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:05:31pm

re: #67 Lidane

It ain’t just the dudebros. They are just the fringe part of a far larger number of people here who are rightly concerned about near rubber stamp renewals of “temporary” measures and the rather severe erosion of privacy, even (among the young ) expectation of privacy.

The upside is what we are getting. A major review and public debate. We just have to sweep the chaff out more often than some topics. I don’t think Snowden forced his hand. Snowden laid that proverbial last straw on the back. If the reservoir of concern had not been there already this would have just blown over.

79 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:10:15pm

re: #78 Political Atheist

It ain’t just the dudebros. They are just the fringe part of a far larger number of people here who are rightly concerned about near rubber stamp renewals of “temporary” measures and the rather severe erosion of privacy, even (among the young ) expectation of privacy.

The upside is what we are getting. A major review and public debate. We just have to sweep the chaff out more often than some topics. I don’t think Snowden forced his hand. Snowden laid that proverbial last straw on the back. If the reservoir of concern had not been there already this would have just blown over.

I almost posted something very similar to your second paragraph in ‘dudebro font’.

80 freetoken  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:11:56pm

Bringing up the downstairs topic, it appears from the comments to that Politico Richwine piece that Politico is shopping for consumers from the same cesspool that WND and Townhall use.

Politico is run by one of the leading Reaganites, which may or may not be the reason why the management seems indifferent to the racism of Richwine, but I think someone ought to call him on it.

The “media” as an industry has no problem hiring racists - Brimelow for example, Buchanan the best known of the paleoconservative writers, and so on.

White-grievance theatre is popular enough in this country to be a successful cottage industry, and where there is money to be made there will be a good capitalist there to make it.

81 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:12:08pm

re: #78 Political Atheist

It ain’t just the dudebros. They are just the fringe part of a far larger number of people here who are rightly concerned about near rubber stamp renewals of “temporary” measures and the rather severe erosion of privacy, even (among the young ) expectation of privacy.

The upside is what we are getting. A major review and public debate. We just have to sweep the chaff out more often than some topics. I don’t think Snowden forced his hand. Snowden laid that proverbial last straw on the back. If the reservoir of concern had not been there already this would have just blown over.

I make fun of Greenwald and heap scorn on him as a journalist as much as anyone, but I give full points to him as an activist and a propagandist. He, far moreso than Snowden, deserves the credit for that ball being pushed forward. I don’t think Obama would have announced these reforms today if it weren’t for GG.

Of course I also think he needs to take the blame for the falsehoods that have become Conventional Wisdom about the NSA…

82 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:19:58pm

Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs

Obama on GOP’s insane opposition to health care: “it’s become an ideological fixation.”

ideological fixations are covered under obamacare

83 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:26:48pm

Finally, some real justice

FCC votes to lower costly prison telephone rates — effective immediately

The U.S. Federal Communications Commission voted on Friday to reduce prison telephone rates that had made it far more expensive for prison inmates to make phone calls than it is outside prison walls.

The commission voted 2-1 to reduce interstate phone rates for inmates that it said had been as high as $17 for a 15-minute call when extra fees were added in, the panel said in a statement.

The lower fees were aimed at helping prisoners maintain contact with family and friends, which lowers the probability that inmates will return to prison after release, the FCC said.

The new rates will also allow about 2.7 million children who have a parent in prison or jail to remain in touch, the statement said.

“The Commission’s reforms adopt a simple and balanced approach that protects security and public safety needs, ensures providers receive fair compensation while providing reasonable rates to consumers,” it said.

In an interim move, the FCC limited per-minute rates to 25 cents for long-distance collect calls, meaning that a 15-minute call cannot top $3.75. Debit and prepaid calls were capped at 21 cents a minute, or $3.15 for 15 minutes.

84 Greup  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:28:37pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

I feel Snowden was more important than you think. Not only for the spying on american angle but im thinking that the tech companies are furious. There is a lot of money to be made around the world and right now people/organisations are beginning to look really hard at security issues. Its suicide to be seen as a company that gives all the data to a foreign government if it suits that government.
Example. I know that the city i live in, Stockholm, have large parts of it municipal planning, and social services in the microcoft cloud, on servers based in the US. So the US government can then read privileged info that we as citizens are not seeing. Do I, as a swedish citizen, find that acceptable? No.
There is also the discussion about Facebooks new European server in Luleå. Under what law is that really operating, Swedish or US? And how can we be sure?
So part of the reason Obama is trying to talk about transparency is to calm the forigners so they dont stop bying US computer tech.

85 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:30:58pm

I hope people don’t confuse “we must be more transparent” from Pres Obama as “we’re going to cave in to you paranoiacs and allow you to see the inner workings of how intelligence is gathered.” I take him at his word, in light of changes already made in his administration regarding the NSA and the FISA court.

I mean, wouldn’t letting all that information out be counter-intuitive? There are policies and procedures in intelligence gathering a govt shouldn’t allow the world to know every detail about. Do we really want those who would harm and destroy for their own ends the opportunity to avoid detection?

And that’s what the Snowalds want.

86 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:32:18pm

Why does this bit about the FCC decision not surprise me in the least?

Acting Chairwoman Mignon Clyburn and Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel, both Democrats, voted in favor of the change. Republican Commissioner Ajit Pai dissented.

Pai said in a statement that the new rules would be difficult to administer and have “unintended consequences,” since the rates would be too low for prisons to offer full phone service.

Fucking GOP.

87 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:32:19pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

I almost posted something very similar to your second paragraph in ‘dudebro font’.

Huh?

88 piratedan  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:32:20pm

re: #82 engineer cat

Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs

Obama on GOP’s insane opposition to health care: “it’s become an ideological fixation.”

ideological fixations are covered under obamacare

maybe at last, the Republicans can get treated for the pre-existing condition that they appear to have….

89 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:33:15pm

re: #10 Ian G.

Trump has been spouting off about Alex Rodriguez recently, and wondering why the Yankees don’t simply stop paying him. Someone find “guaranteed contract” in the dictionary and show it to Donny.

I hate the Yankees, but I hate Donald Trump far more, and was enjoying the blistering replies to his idiocy I saw on one Yankees blog.

I’m sure Trump could give them some advice on how to declare bankruptcy in order to get out from under contractual agreements and a other legal restrictions.
//

90 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:33:26pm

if dudebros play dobros are they called dudobros?

91 GunstarGreen  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:33:50pm

Tales from the 1%:

When Alex Rodriguez gets caught doing drugs on the job, he gets suspended for a couple hundred games. He proceeds to be quite butthurt about this and ‘appeal’ it, and the nation comments on how the other players that got caught were suspended for 50 games instead because they had the good sense to own up to it.

When you or I get caught doing drugs on the job, we get suspended permanently, and probably have a really hard time getting any other jobs for that matter.

92 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:35:31pm

Glenn is having an epic meltdown.

93 freetoken  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:36:04pm

re: #91 GunstarGreen

I don’t consider HGH to be a “drug” in the same sense as narcotics, etc.

94 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:36:52pm

Ben Shapiro is also having an epic meltdown.

COINCIDENCE?

95 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:37:46pm
96 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:38:07pm

re: #84 Greup

I feel Snowden was more important than you think. Not only for the spying on american angle but im thinking that the tech companies are furious. There is a lot of money to be made around the world and right now people/organisations are beginning to look really hard at security issues. Its suicide to be seen as a company that gives all the data to a foreign government if it suits that government.
Example. I know that the city i live in, Stockholm, have large parts of it municipal planning, and social services in the microcoft cloud, on servers based in the US. So the US government can then read privileged info that we as citizens are not seeing. Do I, as a swedish citizen, find that acceptable? No.
There is also the discussion about Facebooks new European server in Luleå. Under what law is that really operating, Swedish or US? And how can we be sure?
So part of the reason Obama is trying to talk about transparency is to calm the forigners so they dont stop bying US computer tech.

re: #87 Political Atheist

Huh?

The conversation is important, but to say we are having it only because of Snowden bothers me. Even if it’s true, it bothers me. Not because it’s true, but because Snowden wanted to hurt the US, not help it by starting the conversation. I don’t want him to get the credit, even if it is his.

97 GunstarGreen  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:40:02pm

re: #93 freetoken

I don’t consider HGH to be a “drug” in the same sense as narcotics, etc.

Only in the sense that other fields of work don’t really have a concept of ‘cheating’ that isn’t also a criminal act at the same time, or at the very least a serious copyright violation. Point is: If you got caught doing the equivalent of what he was doing, your ass would be fired. There would be no ‘suspension’.

98 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:41:58pm

re: #82 engineer cat

Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs

Obama on GOP’s insane opposition to health care: “it’s become an ideological fixation.”

ideological fixations are covered under obamacare

Being an asshole isn’t though. Which is why Limbaugh and others are so pissed off about it.

99 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:45:03pm
100 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:45:53pm

Gotta love that GOP humor:

101 freetoken  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:46:49pm

Someone else noticed that Georgia Republicans prefer Paula Deen to MLK:

Deen Favored Over MLK by GA Repubs; May Join ‘Dancing with the Stars’

Hmmm… I wonder how the two would fair in a polling of the Politico office.

Anyway, we all know by now that Paula Deen will not be on DWTS, to the great loss of the Georgia viewers.

102 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:47:18pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

The conversation is important, but to say we are having it only because of Snowden bothers me. Even if it’s true, it bothers me. Not because it’s true, but because Snowden wanted to hurt the US, not help it by starting the conversation. I don’t want him to get the credit, even if it is his.

It’s a messy issue. I feel the same way about that Amash amendment from a few days ago. I have no use for a wingnut like Amash, and the amendment itself was probably a stupid knee-jerk reaction to events. However, it was a close vote, and it was not a party line vote.

I suspect that vote in Congress is also part of why these issues are getting some attention.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:48:11pm
104 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:49:07pm

My niece posted this on FB:

Remember saving up every single dollar when we were little so we could buy something big, when having 12 dollars meant we were millionaires? So many people give up on this little piece of solace and spend that petty cash or give up believing that a few dollars could ever become something huge. I’ve spent the last 10 years selling eggs for 3 dollars a dozen, and today I cleaned out my old egg jar, and you know what? Those 10 years of savings have bought Christmas presents, birthdays presents, food, and countless other things…over $800 of singles thrown into a jar that my parents said could never be filled. So never fool yourself into thinking that your 1 dollar is nothing, because it’s something. Hoarder for life

Makes me proud to be her uncle. :)

105 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:49:29pm

re: #100 Lidane

Gotta love that GOP humor:

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The GOP model of governing.

106 geoffm33  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:51:56pm
107 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:52:06pm

re: #99 Lidane


That’s a great slogan and a very good article.

108 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:52:58pm
109 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:59:04pm

Ed Henry’s moment of BENGHAZI!!!!!! is even better in the transcript:

Q: OK, thank you. I want to ask you about two important dates that are coming up… .And on September 11th we’ll have the first anniversary of Benghazi. And you said on September 12th, make no mistake, we’ll bring to justice to killers who attacked our people. Eleven months later, where are they, sir?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, the — I also said that we’d get bin Laden and I didn’t get him in 11 months.

Shorter Obama: Hey, Ed? GFY

110 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 1:59:32pm

That SUV is driving away with the Pot O’Gold!

111 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:00:04pm

re: #107 wrenchwench

Probably why it appeals to young males, too:

“To the extent that pot legalization and sexual freedom are defined as libertarian ideas, a lot of young people will describe themselves as libertarians, even if they might more accurately be called libertines.”

Trust me, there were hippies like that, too, back in the day. They only came for the sex, drugs and rock n roll. The serious stuff, like politics and economics, bored them.

112 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:00:52pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

Hopefully the leprechaun got out of the way in time…

113 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:04:27pm

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

Probably why it appeals to young males, too:

“To the extent that pot legalization and sexual freedom are defined as libertarian ideas, a lot of young people will describe themselves as libertarians, even if they might more accurately be called libertines.”

Trust me, there were hippies like that, too, back in the day. They only came for the sex, drugs and rock n roll. The serious stuff, like politics and economics, bored them.

I wonder how many people today think hippies were political at all.

114 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:04:42pm

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

Probably why it appeals to young males, too:

“To the extent that pot legalization and sexual freedom are defined as libertarian ideas, a lot of young people will describe themselves as libertarians, even if they might more accurately be called libertines.”

Trust me, there were hippies like that, too, back in the day. They only came for the sex, drugs and rock n roll. The serious stuff, like politics and economics, bored them.

the ones who stay around for the serious stuff are called ‘librarians’

115 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:06:57pm

re: #83 Kragar

Finally, some real justice

FCC votes to lower costly prison telephone rates — effective immediately

Upding is not sufficient.

This is very good news that I never thought I would hear.

Now to make private prisons illegal.

116 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:08:02pm
117 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:08:19pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

I wonder how many people today think hippies were political at all.

mostly these days i hear the word ‘hippie’ used to describe people that, back in the day, we would have called ‘hippie-dippy’ - that is, purifying crystals in the moonlight organic hemp clothes wearing super macrobiotic la-dee-da what have you

when i was a teenager in the late 1960s all you had to do to get called a hippie was to have a pair of blue jeans, wear your hair natural, listen to ‘rock’ music (as opposed to rock n roll), and smoke teh dope

118 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:12:03pm

re: #117 engineer cat

mostly these days i hear the word ‘hippie’ used to describe people that, back in the day, we would have called ‘hippie-dippy’ - that is, purifying crystals in the moonlight organic hemp clothes wearing super macrobiotic la-dee-da what have you

when i was a teenager in the late 1960s all you had to do to get called a hippie was to have a pair of blue jeans, wear your hair natural, listen to ‘rock’ music (as opposed to rock n roll), and smoke teh dope

I guess it’s always been a catch-all kind of word.

I seem to have missed the distinction between ‘rock’ and ‘rock n roll’, though.

119 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:13:16pm

re: #115 wrenchwench

Upding is not sufficient.

This is very good news that I never thought I would hear.

Now to make private prisons illegal.

Make private prisons illegal. Give non-violent offenders probation or put them in halfway houses where they get some kind of work training. Completely overhaul our insane drug sentencing laws. That would be a good start, IMO.

It won’t happen, of course. But it’s a good start.

120 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:14:12pm
121 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:17:01pm

Yeah, pretty much:

Image: austin.jpg

122 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:25:30pm

Hi Lizards! A picture of me working on a Nuclear Sub prepping CD-39 has been declassified..Why it was ever classified is beyond me but to prevent jail time I kept it on the down low till recently..Which guy is the Hoopster?
Working with Zoomies on the SSN686

123 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:25:48pm
124 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:27:26pm

Mystery surrounds Egyptian sphinx unearthed in Israel

(CNN) — Tel Hazor in northern Israel has long been a treasure trove for archeologists, but a recent discovery of part of a 4,000-year-old Egyptian sphinx has been a most unexpected find.

Inexplicably buried far from Egypt, the paws of a sphinx statue, resting on its base, have been unearthed with an inscription in hieroglyphs naming King Mycerinus. The pharaoh ruled in 2500 BC and oversaw the construction of one of the three Giza pyramids, where he was enshrined.

“Once in a lifetime you find something like this,” says Amnon Ben-Tor, the director of the excavation and a professor at Hebrew University, which sponsors the archeological digging.

“This is of extreme importance from many points of view, since it is the only sphinx of this king known in the world — even in Egypt. It is also the only monumental piece of Egyptian sculpture found anywhere in the Levant,” he said, referring to the region spanning the east of the Mediterranean Sea.

125 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:28:01pm

re: #122 A Man for all Seasons

Hi Lizards! A picture of me working on a Nuclear Sub prepping CD-39 has been declassified..Why it was ever classified is beyond me but to prevent jail time I kept it on the down low till recently..Which guy is the Hoopster?
Working with Zoomies on the SSN686

Correction..That is the 646.

126 freetoken  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:28:17pm

re: #122 A Man for all Seasons

Which guy is the Hoopster?
Working with Zoomies on the SSN686

The guy in the white onesie?

127 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:29:30pm
128 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:33:57pm

re: #122 A Man for all Seasons

Hi Lizards! A picture of me working on a Nuclear Sub prepping CD-39 has been declassified..Why it was ever classified is beyond me but to prevent jail time I kept it on the down low till recently..Which guy is the Hoopster?
Working with Zoomies on the SSN686

I misread that as working with Zombies.

129 erik_t  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:36:35pm

re: #122 A Man for all Seasons

I got most of that, and can imagine what I’m looking at, but what is CD-39? [???] Deployment?

130 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:39:10pm

re: #128 Eclectic Cyborg

I misread that as working with Zombies.

Me too.

131 freetoken  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:41:51pm

Zombies are now part of our mind-space.

132 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:42:48pm

re: #129 erik_t

I got most of that, and can imagine what I’m looking at, but what is CD-39? [???] Deployment?

It is a radioactive valve to drain fluids from the bundle..Fuck it up and spill.. you WILL die a painful death..We took abundant caution to prevent a spill of primary coolant.
If the private Nuclear industry took the same cautions and procedures as the Navy we could have clean safe energy in America. The French are rock solid with Nuclear energy safety..The Japanese suck..Using 1970’s technology in the 21st Century is criminal.

133 freetoken  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:43:21pm

On the creationist front, Ray Comfort’s latest effort - a new video of short-takes attacking evolution - is getting some play. He’s even used the PRN newswire to promote it.

However, this time … there is no banana.

134 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:43:23pm

This is the Derp that never ends
It just goes on and on my friends

135 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:43:46pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

This is a public service announcement
With guitar
Know your rights all 3 of them
I say
Number 1: You have the right not to be killed
Murder is a CRIME!
Unless it was done by a
Policeman or aristocrat

The Clash

136 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:44:56pm

re: #131 freetoken

Zombies are now part of our mind-space.

Zombies have always been in our mind-space. Incidentally, what’s a mind-space?

137 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:45:07pm

I CAN HAZ MOAR STUPID

138 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:46:10pm

re: #119 Lidane

Make private prisons illegal. Give non-violent offenders probation or put them in halfway houses where they get some kind of work training. Completely overhaul our insane drug sentencing laws. That would be a good start, IMO.

It won’t happen, of course. But it’s a good start.

CODDLING CRIMINALS!!! NO TV!! NO BOOKS!! STACK ‘EM LIKE CORD WOOD!! BRING BACK THE RACK!!!

I heard once about a program where nonviolent offenders on probation or at the end of their sentence were given training in how to get a job, and hold a job, including showing up on time, etc. They’re cut very little slack because the program is run by OTHER ex-offenders, who know what to expect.

I mentioned it to some wingnuts, who thought it was a stupid idea, because everybody knows how to get a job, and how to hold a job.

139 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:46:42pm

re: #131 freetoken

Zombies are now part of our mind-space.

I blame Simon Pegg.

140 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:46:54pm
141 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:47:49pm

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

This is the Derp that never ends
It just goes on and on my friends

[Embedded content]

Sick of being called racist by liberals? THEN STOP SAYING AND DOING STUPID RACIST STUFF!

142 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:48:39pm

Bryan thinks he can win the War on Women!

143 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:49:37pm

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

I CAN HAZ MOAR STUPID

[Embedded content]

Holy shit, did she really, for real say that? That’s the craziest damn thing I’ve ever heard.

144 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:49:51pm

Note to self.

Purchase leeches and send them to Bryan Fischer at AFA. He may want to advance his medical research for sickness prevention.

145 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:51:06pm

re: #140 stone

Now that President Obama has stated that “those who have lawfully raised their voices on behalf of privacy and civil liberties are also patriots who love our country and want it to live up to our highest ideals” will LGF commenters lay off applying the “ratfuckers” label to anyone who raises these concerns? Sigh. I suspect not.

Now that Charles Johnson has stated that ‘those who wish to post comments can say anything they want as long as it’s not a call for violence or too annoying’ will newly re-registered commenters lay off implying that lizards all think the same thing? Sigh. I suspect not.

146 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:51:17pm

re: #140 stone

Now that President Obama has stated that “those who have lawfully raised their voices on behalf of privacy and civil liberties are also patriots who love our country and want it to live up to our highest ideals” will LGF commenters lay off applying the “ratfuckers” label to anyone who raises these concerns? Sigh. I suspect not.

How the hell do you get that? I have argued this with Charles, put up Page after Page critical of the Patriot act and no one, not a single person has insulted me at all.

147 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:51:49pm

re: #133 freetoken

On the creationist front, Ray Comfort’s latest effort - a new video of short-takes attacking evolution - is getting some play. He’s even used the PRN newswire to promote it.

However, this time … there is no banana.

Kirk Cameron has also been busy promoting his new project, a faith based movie that for some reason will only be in theatres for ONE NIGHT.

First he was mobilizing his fans because Facebook had blocked the page for his movie, I guess it had been flagged for spam or objectionable content. Then he went after youtube for doing the same.

I don’t know a lot about the movie but I do know it’s focused on the often asked question: Why does God allow suffering?

148 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:52:38pm
149 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:53:04pm
150 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:53:06pm

re: #128 Eclectic Cyborg

I misread that as working with Zombies.

LOL.. Zoomies are measured by that print out every day of how much radioactivity you have been exposed to. There is a reason the job pays so well and you get a little print out every day to prove it. I recall when we chopped up the original Seawolf. The levels were so high we all felt bad for the Sailors on that boat..Somebody needs to find out if any of those souls didn’t die of cancer cause that boat was.. Fucking hot!

151 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:53:14pm

re: #148 stone

Cool. If the shoe doesn’t fit…

…quit throwing it.

152 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:53:34pm

re: #146 Political Atheist

How the hell do you get that? I have argued this with Charles, put up Page after Page critical of the Patriot act and no one, not a single person has insulted me at all.

You’re stupid, and your Mom dresses you funny!
//

Now you can’t say that anymore.

153 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:54:29pm

re: #142 Vicious Babushka

Bryan thinks he can win the War on Women!

[Embedded content]

Bryan, you and Christians like you make me SO ANGRY.

You can close every clinic in America and you WILL NOT STOP ABORTION. You’ll just send it to the hotel rooms, apartments and back alleys where it used to take place and no doubt in some cases cause women to die as a result.

Now explain to me how that can possibly be considered “Pro-life”.

154 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:55:22pm

re: #142 Vicious Babushka

When women start dying from back alley abortions, I suggest copies of the crime scene photos be sent directly to Bryan.

These idiots fail to understand that these clinics sometimes even offer healthcare to the children of women going there. I’ve been to a clinic or two for healthcare in my life and had a sick baby with me. The doctor looked at her, gave me some antibiotics and even offered to see her on a follow up basis to make sure that ear infection was gone. I also got birth control there so I COULD PLAN MY FAMILY and wouldn’t need to have an abortion. Jesus these assholes need to leave their houses and actually see how people live besides themselves. Fucking asshats.

155 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:55:57pm

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

Bryan, you and Christians like you make me SO ANGRY.

You can close every clinic in America and you WILL NOT STOP ABORTION. You’ll just send it to the hotel rooms, apartments and back alleys where it used to take place and no doubt in some cases causing women to die as a result.

Now explain to me how that can possibly be considered “Pro-life”.

Because it does better in focus groups than “Fetus Fetishists and Control Freaks.”

156 erik_t  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:56:12pm

re: #132 A Man for all Seasons

It is a radioactive valve to drain fluids from the bundle..Fuck it up and spill.. you WILL die a painful death..We took abundant caution to prevent a spill of primary coolant.
If the private Nuclear industry took the same cautions and procedures as the Navy we could have clean safe energy in America. The French are rock solid with Nuclear energy safety..The Japanese suck..Using 1970’s technology in the 21st Century is criminal.

Rickover had his faults, had a whole book of ‘em, but the operating record of the nuclear navy is a beautiful thing to behold.

157 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:56:58pm

re: #21 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

My only hope, if we don’t boycott this, is that whatever fucking assholes try to beat down some Olympians get their asses Olympian whooped, but sadly being a good athlete doesn’t make you good at fighting at all.

If we do go, we should send heavy protection for the athletes.

Maybe they’ll be dumb enough to pick on a judoka or sabre fencer. That would be fun.

158 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:58:04pm

re: #157 Romantic Heretic

Maybe they’ll be dumb enough to pick on a judoka or sabre fencer. That would be fun.

Or one of the wrestlers or boxers.

159 erik_t  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:58:34pm

Thugs don’t tend to pick on people their own size. That’s one of the things that makes them thugs.

160 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:58:42pm

The Rev. Bryan Fisher is not a Christian. He is a bomb throwing Right wing nut pretending to be a Man of God.

161 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 2:59:50pm

re: #154 A Mom Anon

When women start dying from back alley abortions, I suggest copies of the crime scene photos be sent directly to Bryan.

These idiots fail to understand that these clinics sometimes even offer healthcare to the children of women going there. I’ve been to a clinic or two for healthcare in my life and had a sick baby with me. The doctor looked at her, gave me some antibiotics and even offered to see her on a follow up basis to make sure that ear infection was gone. I also got birth control there so I COULD PLAN MY FAMILY and wouldn’t need to have an abortion. Jesus these assholes need to leave their houses and actually see how people live besides themselves. Fucking asshats.

I’ve said it again and again - anyone who opposes abortion and seriously wants to reduce it would support Planned Parenthood, cheap and easily available contraception, and universal and comprehensive sex education. If you don’t support those things, then you’re really just about controlling women’s bodies and punishing hem for having sex you don’t approve of.

162 Slap  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:00:09pm

re: #140 stone

Now that President Obama has stated that “those who have lawfully raised their voices on behalf of privacy and civil liberties are also patriots who love our country and want it to live up to our highest ideals” will LGF commenters lay off applying the “ratfuckers” label to anyone who raises these concerns? Sigh. I suspect not.

Name any time when someone lawfully raises these questions (as stated, many of us have declared we have never been comfortable with the PA) was called a “ratfucker”. The only people deserving of the ratfucker designation, in MY mind, are those who don’t intend to discuss, who harp on ill-educated points, who toss out straw men like confetti, link to debunked ideas, express “concern” and who also throw in the martyr cookie and insist that we’re a happy circlejerk of unified idiocy.

What a putz. Learn something about actually FULLY reading something before you get all snippy.

163 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:02:00pm

This guy is my freaking HERO!

Man changes terms of bank offer to give him 0% APR and unlimited credit, Bank unknowingly accepts them, now its trying to get out

A man who looked at an unsolicited credit card offer from Tinkoff Credit Systems back in 2008 and wondered what would happen if he signed the agreement, but only after writing in his own additional terms by hand.

Among the amendments in his version of the contract — unlimited credit, 0% APR, no fees, including the stipulation that he “is not obliged to pay any fees and charges imposed by bank tariffs.” Since the contract included a URL for a web page containing the full terms of service, the customer also wrote in a new URL of his own so that the bank couldn’t just say “but these terms are different than what’s published on the site.”

Per the amended terms, every change to these terms would result in a payment of 3 million rubles ($91,000) to the customer, or a cancelation fee of 6 million rubles ($182,000).

A pretty sweet deal. No way Tinkoff would agree to it.

But of course Tinkoff did agree to it, because it did exactly what most of its customers do — accepted this contract without reading it.

“The opened credit line was unlimited,” said the man’s lawyer. “He could afford to buy an island somewhere in Malaysia, and the bank would have to pay for it by law.”

He didn’t buy that island, but he did use the card for two years, racking up only $1,363 (including interest and fees) during that time. Not bad, considering the sweetheart deal he’d written for himself. But of course he wasn’t paying that amount because he maintained that he had a 0% APR and could theoretically just keep making charges on the sheer promise that he’d pay up someday.

And so Tinkoff sued the customer. However, the court held that his amendments were binding since the bank accepted them, whether it looked at them or not. The court said the customer only owed the principal balance of around $575.

Perhaps emboldened by this victory, the customer then sued Tinkoff for a whopping $727,000 for its failure to honor the amended agreement and for not paying out the agreed-upon penalty of $182,000 when it canceled his account.

“They signed the documents without looking,” explains his lawyer. “They said what usually their borrowers say in court: ‘We have not read it.’”

Tinkoff insists that it will be vindicated and that the customer will ultimately get four years in prison for fraud instead of the pile of cash he sought.

164 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:02:18pm

re: #154 A Mom Anon

When women start dying from back alley abortions, I suggest copies of the crime scene photos be sent directly to Bryan.

These idiots fail to understand that these clinics sometimes even offer healthcare to the children of women going there. I’ve been to a clinic or two for healthcare in my life and had a sick baby with me. The doctor looked at her, gave me some antibiotics and even offered to see her on a follow up basis to make sure that ear infection was gone. I also got birth control there so I COULD PLAN MY FAMILY and wouldn’t need to have an abortion. Jesus these assholes need to leave their houses and actually see how people live besides themselves. Fucking asshats.

Bryan won’t care because SLUTZ.

165 darthstar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:03:10pm

I’m super cool

Youtube Video

166 erik_t  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:04:17pm

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

This guy is my freaking HERO!

Man changes terms of bank offer to give him 0% APR and unlimited credit, Bank unknowingly accepts them, now its trying to get out

Eh, not really. He sent a contract back to the bank that was, presumably, using that bank’s logos and stationary, using their own imagery to mislead the bank-signer and make them think it was their own contractual language.

I don’t know if he committed a crime, but he certainly did not act in what I would consider an ethical manner. Not that the bank is pure as the driven snow, but…

167 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:04:41pm

Turn their countries in to GO-GO Engines!
Youtube Video

168 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:05:19pm

re: #166 erik_t

Eh, not really. He sent a contract back to the bank that was, presumably, using that bank’s logos and stationary, using their own imagery to mislead the bank-signer and make them think it was their own contractual language.

I don’t know if he committed a crime, but he certainly did not act in what I would consider an ethical manner. Not that the bank is pure as the driven snow, but…

Uh, I think he just crossed out the original terms and wrote in his new ones by hand on the original offer the bank sent him. I don’t think he reproduced anything.

169 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:05:33pm

re: #160 A Man for all Seasons

The Rev. Bryan Fisher is not a Christian. He is a bomb throwing Right wing nut pretending to be a Man of God.

THIS.

170 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:06:03pm

After seeing about a bazillion tweets, articles and photos of the apocalyptic hellscape that Detroit has become, I got the idea to go on Zillow and look up the address of the house in NW Detroit that I grew up in.

Well, I was very surprised and pleased to see that it was sold last year for $90,000!

It made me very happy to know that my old childhood home is valuable and lived in, it also means that neighborhood must be very upscale.

171 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:06:15pm
172 AlexRogan  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:06:19pm

re: #122 A Man for all Seasons

Hi Lizards! A picture of me working on a Nuclear Sub prepping CD-39 has been declassified..Why it was ever classified is beyond me but to prevent jail time I kept it on the down low till recently..Which guy is the Hoopster?
Working with Zoomies on the SSN686

The good-looking one?

/

173 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:06:19pm

What did POTUS say. If I ask anyone I know, they’ll just tell me he is an idiot, a marxist and only wants to ruin this country.

174 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:07:12pm

re: #170 Vicious Babushka

After seeing about a bazillion tweets, articles and photos of the apocalyptic hellscape that Detroit has become, I got the idea to go on Zillow and look up the address of the house in NW Detroit that I grew up in.

Well, I was very surprised and pleased to see that it was sold last year for $90,000!

It made me very happy to know that my old childhood home is valuable and lived in, it also means that neighborhood must be very upscale.

My childhood home is still worth about 6-7 times what my parents paid for it in in 1969. My cousin lives in Royal Oak—she says the media only tells us the worst. It’s not that bad.

175 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:07:15pm
176 erik_t  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:07:31pm

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

Uh, I think he just crossed out the original terms and wrote in his new ones by hand on the original offer the bank sent him. I don’t think he reproduced anything.

The article I read said that he scanned the contract, essentially photoshopped in new language, then printed it out and sent it back in.

If it was crossed out with a big magic marker and they signed it anyway, then my sympathy for the bank is essentially zero.

177 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:07:41pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Tigers are VERY kewl!

178 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:09:08pm
179 erik_t  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:10:02pm

Business Insider

While most people would have just thrown away the letter, Agarkov decided to do something different. He scanned the contract in the letter into his computer and altered it in his favor, including, for example, a 0% interest rate, no fees, and no credit limit.

Unsurprisingly, this is a detail that a Gawker-network (spit) website would choose to omit.

180 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:10:39pm

re: #172 AlexRogan

The good-looking one?

/

Yes Alex..I look great in Yellow..

181 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:12:01pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

I guess it’s always been a catch-all kind of word.

I seem to have missed the distinction between ‘rock’ and ‘rock n roll’, though.

in the late 60s & early 70s, ‘rock n roll’ would have been like the beachboys, early beatles, jerry lee lewis/little richard/chuck berry, and ‘rock’ would be like hendrix, cream, the dead…

182 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:14:07pm

re: #176 erik_t

The article I read said that he scanned the contract, essentially photoshopped in new language, then printed it out and sent it back in.

If it was crossed out with a big magic marker and they signed it anyway, then my sympathy for the bank is essentially zero.

It appears you are correct. That’s why I get for not looking at the original source. The site I linked specifically says he hand wrote the changes, it mentions nothing about the computer alterations.

Objection withdrawn.

183 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:14:28pm

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

In the ongoing GOP willful stupidity competition, Michele Bachmann makes a strong entry.

She has stiff competition, but she is a veteran competitor.

184 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:14:40pm

re: #178 stone

Sorry, but when I smell ratfuckery I’ll often say so. And that article at CNET reeked of it.

185 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:16:07pm

re: #140 stone

Now that President Obama has stated that “those who have lawfully raised their voices on behalf of privacy and civil liberties are also patriots who love our country and want it to live up to our highest ideals” will LGF commenters lay off applying the “ratfuckers” label to anyone who raises these concerns? Sigh. I suspect not.

if you search my comments you’ll see that i have strongly stated how much i think the “patriot” act damages the 4th amendment

it will be smoother i think if you stick to expressing your opinion without getting involved in the self pity aspect - people can play rough on the intertubes so get used to it

186 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:19:14pm

Are there concerns to be addressed?

Yes.

Is anyone who takes classified information and gives it to foreign governments illegally an utter and complete ratfucker?

Yes.

187 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:19:48pm

re: #178 stone

My first experience of it was in this post:
littlegreenfootballs.com

I’ll be happy though if this was just an anomaly and discussion can now proceed in a more civilized way.

You said someone was called a ratfucker, not that someone smelled ratfuckery. There’s a difference.

Do you think being passive-aggressive is the same thing as being civilized?

188 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:22:09pm

re: #185 engineer cat

if you search my comments you’ll see that i have strongly stated how much i think the “patriot” act damages the 4th amendment

it will be smoother i think if you stick to expressing your opinion without getting involved in the self pity aspect - people can play rough on the intertubes so get used to it

Shut up you.

189 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:23:48pm

Ratfucking, ratfucker, ratfuckery.

Really a very good term. American made?

Somehow I think it would sound better with a British accent.

190 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:24:02pm

re: #178 stone

My first experience of it was in this post:
littlegreenfootballs.com

I’ll be happy though if this was just an anomaly and discussion can now proceed in a more civilized way.

Dude, what Snowden did wasn’t ‘lawful’.

191 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:24:03pm

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

Probably why it appeals to young males, too:

“To the extent that pot legalization and sexual freedom are defined as libertarian ideas, a lot of young people will describe themselves as libertarians, even if they might more accurately be called libertines.”

Trust me, there were hippies like that, too, back in the day. They only came for the sex, drugs and rock n roll. The serious stuff, like politics and economics, bored them.

I think some of the wannabees are in the tea-party now. They still like to protest about freedom and suppression, the man, race issues, etc. and dress up in old cloths and hats and stuff.

192 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:24:58pm

re: #140 stone

Now that President Obama has stated that “those who have lawfully raised their voices on behalf of privacy and civil liberties are also patriots who love our country and want it to live up to our highest ideals” will LGF commenters lay off applying the “ratfuckers” label to anyone who raises these concerns? Sigh. I suspect not.

I’ve never called anyone a ratfucker, nor seen anyone here call anyone else a ratfucker. There may be someone who did. It’s not “LGF”. This is kinda simple.

And: google.com

193 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:25:17pm

It was just a matter of time.

Twitter joins Washington’s influence economy, forms PAC washingtonpost.com

“William Carty, a policy manager for Twitter, will become a registered lobbyist and continue to work from the firm’s DC office. Carty joined Twitter in September 2012 after a decade serving as an aide to Republican members on both the Senate and House commerce committees.”

194 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:25:50pm

Okay, so you mean “Charles”. Why not say “Charles”? What the hell.

195 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:26:08pm

re: #188 b_sharp

Shut up you.

this is arrant ratfuckery, up with which i shall not put!!!

196 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:26:15pm

re: #40 Kragar

Fischer: Unconfessed Sin Can Cause Physical Illness

Illness doesn’t work that way Bryan.

So why aren’t you seriously ill, Mr. Fischer?

197 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:27:13pm

re: #195 engineer cat

this is arrant ratfuckery, up with which i shall not put!!!

My ratfuckery is highly sophisticated ratfucker I will have you know!

198 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:27:24pm

Simoom articulately and citatiously proved why the particular criticism laid in that thread by earthanimal was false.

199 erik_t  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:27:42pm

re: #196 Romantic Heretic

So why aren’t you seriously ill, Mr. Fischer?

Privately, he would probably tell you that he is.

Closet cases make me sad.

200 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:27:45pm

re: #146 Political Atheist

How the hell do you get that? I have argued this with Charles, put up Page after Page critical of the Patriot act and no one, not a single person has insulted me at all.

Ratfucker.

201 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:27:48pm

re: #194 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Okay, so you mean “Charles”. Why not say “Charles”? What the hell.

Are you being ratfuckery?

202 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:28:20pm

re: #178 stone

And Cnet was proven wrong.
Next!

203 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:28:29pm

re: #201 b_sharp

Are you being ratfuckery?

No, he is being Obdicut.

It’s much different.

204 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:28:59pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

Ratfucker.

Now you’ve done it. You’ve insulted ratfuckers.

205 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:30:08pm

re: #203 FemNaziBitch

No, he is being Obdicut.

It’s much different.

Essentially.

206 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:30:19pm

Well if you buy them dinner and a movie…

//

207 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:30:43pm

re: #18 conspiracynut

I don’t believe him.

Guess who you sound like?

You know, about gov. conspiracies on grand scales?
WTC 7?
;)

208 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:31:30pm

It ain’t people who disagree with us we disparage, it’s the people who do so stupidly and ignorantly.

209 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:31:49pm

Is this considered ratfuckery?

210 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:32:08pm

“Ratfucking” means political dirty tricks, and the NSA leaks stories have been chock full of it.

It can also apply to determined ideological shills who deliberately spread misinformation.

211 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:33:21pm

Well what about man-rodent love? :p

212 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:33:24pm
213 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:33:27pm

Hmmm tough call for how to spend my Saturday night. Seeing Elysium would be fun, but otoh, I could find me a nice dark quiet spot up in the mountains where I could sit back and watch the Perseid meteor showers. IMAX movie or a midnight picnic.

214 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:33:36pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

“Ratfucking” means political dirty tricks, and the NSA leaks stories have been chock full of it.

It can also mean determined ideological shills who deliberately spread misinformation.

what do they call intimate relations with members of rodentia, then?

215 darthstar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:35:11pm

Ooh…is there Friday ratfuckery? I want some!

216 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:35:31pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

Ratfucker.

Hey! I’m just big boned!

Oh, wait. You said RATfucker, not FAT fucker. So you weren’t talking about me.

That’s very different then. Nevermind.

217 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:35:33pm
218 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:35:40pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

“Ratfucking” means political dirty tricks, and the NSA leaks stories have been chock full of it.

It can also mean determined ideological shills who deliberately spread misinformation.

Yes, also as in the ratfuckery of Republicans’ “ideological fixation” on Obamacare, and birtherism.

219 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:35:58pm

re: #214 engineer cat

what do they call intimate relations with members of rodentia, then?

Disnephilia

220 darthstar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:36:09pm
221 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:37:31pm

re: #211 Amory Blaine

Well what about man-rodent love? :p

It’s a slippery slope my friend.

222 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:37:56pm

re: #217 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

So, Pre-Rinse Bus is essentially saying, “I said I’m not talking to you!!!”

223 erik_t  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:38:10pm

The modern GOP seems to be defined by the technique of telling your constituents what they want to hear, with a wink and a nod, then going to the media and denying that that was what you meant.

Doublespeak institutionalized.

224 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:38:32pm

re: #211 Amory Blaine

Well what about man-rodent love? :p

was that you at the man-rodent love association march?

225 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:39:59pm

re: #223 erik_t

The modern GOP seems to be defined by the technique of telling your constituents what they want to hear, with a wink and a nod, then going to the media and denying that that was what you meant.

Doublespeak institutionalized.

It was either “I misspoke” or “I’ve been misinterpreted.” The former’s not as long-winded an explanation.

226 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:40:15pm

re: #220 darthstar

Yeah that was the only thing that leapt out at me when I watched the clip. “I believe what you are saying.” Oh really? You’re so reasonable. /eyeroll

227 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:40:41pm

re: #224 engineer cat

was that you at the man-rodent love association march?

I was the one smeared with peanut butter. :)

228 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:41:02pm

re: #222 GeneJockey

So, Pre-Rinse Bus is essentially saying, “I said I’m not talking to you!!!”

I’ve got the tape already

Youtube Video

229 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:43:18pm

re: #221 b_sharp

It’s a slippery slope my friend.

I see what you did there!

ewwwwww

230 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:43:21pm


Yeah, because so many teams are named Republican and Conservative out there.

231 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:43:52pm

re: #230 Kragar

[Embedded content]


Yeah, because so many teams are named Republican and Conservative out there.

Moran.

232 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:46:07pm

re: #230 Kragar

[Embedded content]


Yeah, because so many teams are named Republican and Conservative out there.

I do so love it when the morally stunted fight so hard to argue that being racist is perfectly acceptable in the 21st century.

233 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:46:47pm

re: #230 Kragar

He really didn’t think that one through very far, did he?

234 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:47:53pm

re: #228 Kragar

I’ve got the tape already

[Embedded content]

“I need unguent.”

235 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:49:15pm

Evening Lizardim.

236 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:49:43pm

re: #233 GeneJockey

He really didn’t think that one through very far, did he?

It’s some sort of troll logic that goes “Football teams are named after things that are admired, like ‘Redskins.’”

237 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:50:30pm

NY Yankees.
Take that, neo confeds!

238 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:51:46pm

re: #236 Targetpractice

It’s some sort of troll logic that goes “Football teams are named after things that are admired, like ‘Redskins.’”

Well, to be fair, they are really good peanuts.

239 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:51:47pm

re: #236 Targetpractice

It’s some sort of troll logic that goes “Football teams are named after things that are admired, like ‘Redskins.’”

I loves me some potato salad!

240 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:52:20pm

re: #237 Varek Raith

NY Yankees.
Take that, neo confeds!

I really admire Lakers and Pacers. They do a lot for us every day.

241 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:52:37pm

Bryan, go fuck a rat.
“Thanks, don’t mind if I do!”

242 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:52:54pm

And hey, who doesn’t love sox?

243 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:53:06pm

re: #239 Vicious Babushka

I loves me some potato salad!

Youtube Video

244 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:53:29pm

re: #242 Kragar

And hey, who doesn’t love sox?

My kids, when I wear sandals.

245 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:53:35pm

or pirates?

246 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:53:55pm

re: #244 GeneJockey

My kids, when I wear sandals.

As long as you don’t also wear plaid bermuda shorts and carry a metal detector.

247 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:54:12pm

re: #242 Kragar

And hey, who doesn’t love sox?

Red ones.

248 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:54:12pm

re: #233 GeneJockey

He really didn’t think that one through very far, did he?

Avalaches, Raiders, Red Sox, White Sox, Devils, Clippers, Nets, Spurs, Galaxy, Nuggets, Pistons.

249 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:54:15pm
250 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:54:58pm

re: #241 Vicious Babushka

Bryan, go fuck a rat.
“Thanks, don’t mind if I do!”

[Embedded content]

So what should we do with them, Bryan? What do you do with thousands of American citizens who are too young to send you money?

251 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:54:58pm

re: #245 Varek Raith

or pirates?

Pirates with Parrots?

252 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:55:01pm

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Let’s see…
Nope, all outta that.

253 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:55:47pm

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

I don’t have to do a fucking thing, shitheel. Any more than you’re going to admit that Obama has already done more to extend transparency to how the intel community works than his predecessors did.

254 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:57:49pm

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

Actually, Obama trashed Snowden for not working with the system to address concerns and for damaging our foreign relations, but thanks for playing.

255 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:58:48pm

I asked my wife how she feels about a Redskins name change. She essentially said ‘who gives a fuck’.

256 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:59:31pm

re: #254 Kragar

Actually, Obama trashed Snowden for not working with the system to address concerns and for damaging our foreign relations, but thanks for playing.

Stop bringing facts into this debate, they’re not wanted.

257 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:00:01pm

Good Form

Of course, I don’t understand the whole thing.

258 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:00:04pm
259 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:01:04pm
260 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:01:35pm

re: #258 stone

Yeah, it’s not that it bothers me personally, it’s just that I really don’t think it helps the discussion, that’s all. If we are going to have a dialogue about reforming our national security programs we need to get past this idea that people who express a need for change are somehow attacking the President or his administration.

Oh, I get it. You were demonstrating that point by attacking the commenters and host at a blog you don’t really care about.

261 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:02:10pm

re: #258 stone

Yeah, it’s not that it bothers me personally, it’s just that I really don’t think it helps the discussion, that’s all. If we are going to have a dialogue about reforming our national security programs we need to get past this idea that people who express a need for change are somehow attacking the President or his administration.

Charles has expressed a need for change.

262 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:02:34pm

re: #258 stone

You miss the point. We are attacking deliberate misinformation thrown out by GG and Snowden and their supporters. They are making a meaningful discussion difficult.
They can’t stick with the facts. They lied and exaggerated. Why do you think they have to do that?

263 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:04:04pm

re: #258 stone

Yeah, it’s not that it bothers me personally, it’s just that I really don’t think it helps the discussion, that’s all. If we are going to have a dialogue about reforming our national security programs we need to get past this idea that people who express a need for change are somehow attacking the President or his administration.

When change is needed, it’s not done by stealing state secrets and running to China and Russia with them.

264 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:05:44pm

GG does more to damage this discussion than anything else.

265 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:05:55pm

re: #258 stone

Yeah, it’s not that it bothers me personally, it’s just that I really don’t think it helps the discussion, that’s all. If we are going to have a dialogue about reforming our national security programs we need to get past this idea that people who express a need for change are somehow attacking the President or his administration.

These people do not really give a shit about a “need for change” or “more transparency” all they want is an excuse to attack the President.

266 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:06:07pm

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Disnephilia

Oh, you mean this:

Youtube Video

267 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:06:08pm
268 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:06:23pm

re: #261 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Charles has expressed a need for change.

I’m not sure I’ve heard any Lizards say otherwise, though I admit I don’t read every comment or go through the pages to make sure.

Is there a need to address our present intelligence situation and change it? Most definitely.

Is that an endorsement of the actions of Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden? FUCK NO!

Did their actions “force” Obama to take steps he’d already been engaging in shortly after he took office? NO FUCKING WAY!

269 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:06:25pm

re: #255 b_sharp

I asked my wife how she feels about a Redskins name change. She essentially said ‘who gives a fuck’.

Personally, I give the lowest amount of fuck humanly possible

Youtube Video

270 Lancelot Link  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:07:27pm

re: #258 stone

The GG has been attacking Obama continuously since 2008.

271 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:08:11pm

OT: I just love how almost every sponsored post on Facebook is filled with comments attacking the company who posted and virtually never with ANY response from said company.

272 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:08:39pm

re: #257 FemNaziBitch

It’s gun nuts defying the company policy of not wanting guns in their stores. I think it’s awesome that the Newtown stores decided to close out of respect to the 26 people shot to death there. Honest to christ, if you need to carry a gun to get coffee, maybe you should just strap on your firearm and make your own damned coffee at home. So. Sick. Of. This. Bullshit.

273 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:08:57pm

Seriously, what is the “discussion” that Glenn Greenwald wants to have? What is the ideal goal he has? Because his track record so far leaves the impression of a man whose defining ideology is that no nation-state has a right to keep secrets. That every nation must be totally transparent, sharing everything with the citizenry, else it is violating their rights.

274 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:10:40pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

Seriously, what is the “discussion” that Glenn Greenwald wants to have? What is the ideal goal he has? Because his track record so far leaves the impression of a man whose defining ideology is that no nation-state has a right to keep secrets. That every nation must be totally transparent, sharing everything with the citizenry, else it is violating their rights.

The discussion that Glenn Greenwald wants to have is to talk about Glenn Greenwald.

275 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:12:08pm

re: #274 Vicious Babushka

The discussion that Glenn Greenwald wants to have is to talk about Glenn Greenwald.

This, right here. His whole goal, from start to finish, is to make himself look important and to get people talking about him. Snowden is merely a means to an end.

276 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:12:22pm

re: #274 Vicious Babushka

The discussion that Glenn Greenwald wants to have is to talk about Glenn Greenwald.

He’s not interested in a “discussion,” few activists really are. He’s interested in dictating terms, in fulfilling his ideological endgame. Thing about activists like him, however, is that he’ll never be satisfied. He’ll seek nothing but perfection and find any steps taken as wanting.

277 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:13:00pm

re: #274 Vicious Babushka

The discussion that Glenn Greenwald wants to have is to talk about Glenn Greenwald.

The GG’s complete argument:

Youtube Video

278 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:13:44pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

The conversation is important, but to say we are having it only because of Snowden bothers me. Even if it’s true, it bothers me. Not because it’s true, but because Snowden wanted to hurt the US, not help it by starting the conversation. I don’t want him to get the credit, even if it is his.

QFT, and because it is an important conversation to have.

279 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:13:53pm

re: #268 Targetpractice

I think most people didn’t even realize that the police can get a warrant to search your phone records pretty easily. You just have to be connected to an investigation. If you have a friend who deals pot who calls you a lot, they can pretty easily get a warrant for your phone records.

Not to mention the daily and pervasive indignities of real, physical searches that cause damage and chaos.

The FBI actively sends people to infiltrate groups, including groups that are pretty non-violent. They’ve been doing this forever. The NYPD spied on Muslims and the only reason they got in any legal trouble was because they followed it up outside of the city sometimes.

There is still not a judicial decision that mandates DNA evidence being entered if available. Prosecutors still fight against inclusion of exculpatory DNA evidence.

All these things are a lot more concern to me than metadata analysis.

280 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:15:46pm

re: #122 A Man for all Seasons

The cutest one, DUH!

281 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:16:19pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

You miss the point. We are attacking deliberate misinformation thrown out by GG and Snowden and their supporters. They are making a meaningful discussion difficult.
They can’t stick with the facts. They lied and exaggerated. Why do you think they have to do that?

Yes, esp when so much of that was dated stuff; but even so, it was stolen and who admires a thief, really?

Everyone knows Snowjob isn’t a whistle blower. Glennlandia can lie all he wants, it won’t change that fact.

282 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:17:28pm

re: #140 stone

Now that President Obama has stated that “those who have lawfully raised their voices on behalf of privacy and civil liberties are also patriots who love our country and want it to live up to our highest ideals” will LGF commenters lay off applying the “ratfuckers” label to anyone who raises these concerns? Sigh. I suspect not.

OK. I’ll call you a “ratfucker”.

283 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:18:04pm

re: #253 Targetpractice

I don’t have to do a fucking thing, shitheel. Any more than you’re going to admit that Obama has already done more to extend transparency to how the intel community works than his predecessors did.

The idea that Greenwald was successful in pushing his pet cause forward, and the idea that Greenwald is a dishonest weasel, are not mutually exclusive. I’d even argue they were complementary.

284 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:18:08pm

re: #279 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I think most people didn’t even realize that the police can get a warrant to search your phone records pretty easily. You just have to be connected to an investigation. If you have a friend who deals pot who calls you a lot, they can pretty easily get a warrant for your phone records.

Not to mention the daily and pervasive indignities of real, physical searches that cause damage and chaos.

The FBI actively sends people to infiltrate groups, including groups that are pretty non-violent. They’ve been doing this forever. The NYPD spied on Muslims and the only reason they got in any legal trouble was because they followed it up outside of the city sometimes.

There is still not a judicial decision that mandates DNA evidence being entered if available. Prosecutors still fight against inclusion of exculpatory DNA evidence.

All these things are a lot more concern to me than metadata analysis.

And all these are very real, very visible examples of the abuse of power. Yet we’ve gone over this same ground, day in and day out, for weeks and no example has been found of the abuse of metadata mining. It’s been like one long infomercial, where all GG has done has sold us on the potential for these powers, rather than anything actually done with them.

285 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:18:08pm

re: #279 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This kind of thing worries me a whole hell of a lot more than NSA gathering phone logs:

Court Clerk Fired for Helping Secure DNA Test That Proved a Man’s Innocence

286 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:20:54pm

U.S. considering arrests in JPMorgan ‘whale’ case: sources

reuters.com

287 Lidane  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:23:16pm
288 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:27:44pm

re: #279 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I think most people didn’t even realize that the police can get a warrant to search your phone records pretty easily. You just have to be connected to an investigation. If you have a friend who deals pot who calls you a lot, they can pretty easily get a warrant for your phone records.

Not to mention the daily and pervasive indignities of real, physical searches that cause damage and chaos.

The FBI actively sends people to infiltrate groups, including groups that are pretty non-violent. They’ve been doing this forever. The NYPD spied on Muslims and the only reason they got in any legal trouble was because they followed it up outside of the city sometimes.

There is still not a judicial decision that mandates DNA evidence being entered if available. Prosecutors still fight against inclusion of exculpatory DNA evidence.

All these things are a lot more concern to me than metadata analysis.

Didn’t get around to posting this yesterday:

DC Protesters Out Undercover Police Officer Through Twitter

[…]

After filming and photographing Rizzi at several other protests, including an anti-Bangladesh sweatshop demonstration organized by the United Students Against Sweatshops (USAS), Light and Canavan felt they had enough to file a lawsuit against Rizzi, the city of Washington DC, and DC’s mayor.

The lawsuit, filed on Monday on behalf of the USAS, does not seek any damages, but does seek a judgment barring police from continuing to infiltrate the group. A law passed by the D.C. Council in 2004 prohibits police from infiltrating advocacy and activist groups without permission from high-ranking police officials.

“I cannot think of any legitimate reason for the police to be sending an undercover officer to those,” Light told the Washington Post. “She was handing out fliers, asking to be put on e-mail and asking about future events. If the police wanted to know that, they could’ve checked the Web site.”

289 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:29:38pm
290 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:30:58pm

re: #269 Kragar

Personally, I give the lowest amount of fuck humanly possible

[Embedded content]

i have done just about run out of fuck

291 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:31:44pm

re: #289 stone

So, this expresses what bothers me pretty well. Who are “these people”? If you mean Snowden and Greenwald, then fine; that might still be wrong, but I don’t begrudge you that opinion. But if you mean all the “emo-progs” and “dudebros” or whatever who disagree with you on the need for more transparency, then I don’t think it’s helpful to the conversation at all.

She was quoting you. Who were your ‘people who express a need for change’?

292 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:31:50pm

U.S. judge considers limits on Apple in e-books case

reuters.com

(Reuters) - A U.S. judge said on Friday she is considering imposing tough restrictions on Apple Inc for illegally conspiring with publishers to raise e-books prices.

U.S. District Judge Denise Cote said she was weighing whether to restrict Apple for five years from entering deals with publishers that would prevent Apple from discounting e-book prices. Apple, the maker of the iPad and the iPhone, had as part of the alleged conspiracy given publishers control of pricing.

“My focus is on making sure we don’t have collusive illegal activity again interfering with the e-books market,” Cote said.

293 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:33:14pm
294 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:35:22pm

re: #290 engineer cat

i have done just about run out of fuck

It doesn’t matter, you know why?

Youtube Video

295 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:35:48pm

re: #293 stone

Probably emoprogs and dudebros.

Not I, Lord. Cherish the new dawn of liberty you would experience under the Romney administration. Then go fuck yourself.

296 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:36:17pm

so anyway so i have finally had a chance to review what the president said at the news conference, and i think it is pretty weak tea except that i am glad there will be somebody on the scene with the remit of questioning the decisions of the fisa court

on the other hand at least we have finally pushed back at least a little bit against the creeping surveillance state, which is a start

297 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:36:24pm

re: #293 stone

Probably emoprogs and dudebros.

Not Snowden and Greenwald? Or do they fall into those two groups?

298 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:36:59pm

Okay this is freaking hilarious, so I paged it:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Basically the LASD clowned the LAPD with an awesome informational video.


Also, I just dropped a load of low-cal Zen on Sirota:

299 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:37:49pm

re: #293 stone

Probably emoprogs and dudebros.

I’d like change. Adversarial courts are actually part of it. But what about the rest of the 4th amendment?

300 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:37:53pm
301 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:40:45pm

re: #300 stone

That’s precisely why I think this is an important conversation to have. I don’t think you can alienate a growing segment of the left and expect to win elections.

For every whining hipster you have to herd, I have to deal with an AME minister, a dozen retired NCOs, and a hundred young men who think they ought to admire MLK, but have never voted.

302 AlexRogan  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:44:34pm

re: #300 stone

That’s precisely why I think this is an important conversation to have. I don’t think you can alienate a growing segment of the left and expect to win elections.

That “growing segment of the left” you speak of are not in the mainstream and never were; they may have tended to vote for President Obama in 2008 (and maybe to a lesser extent last year), but it was because they thought that just because he had worked as a community organizer, he would push a radical agenda that they could get behind.

Guess what? Reality tend to have a moderate bias when someone becomes president and that pisses wingnuts and moonbats off to no end.

303 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:45:02pm
304 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:47:05pm

re: #302 AlexRogan

Obama has brought about quite a bit of progressive change, and he’s done some of while having a GOP house. Getting Sotomayor on the court was huge. I’m really, really hoping he gets one more justice.

305 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:47:51pm

re: #304 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Obama has brought about quite a bit of progressive change, and he’s done some of while having a GOP house. Getting Sotomayor on the court was huge. I’m really, really hoping he gets one more justice.

Actuaries say we need three.

306 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:49:22pm

re: #300 stone

That’s precisely why I think this is an important conversation to have. I don’t think you can alienate a growing segment of the left and expect to win elections.

democrats of today might not be progressives, but i still vote democratic at every chance if only to stop republicans

generally in regard to politicians i don’t expect much and generally that’s exactly what we get

307 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:49:40pm
308 Lancelot Link  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:50:54pm

re: #300 stone

I don’t think you can alienate a growing segment of the left and expect to win elections.

If someone is a Ron/Rand Paul supporter, alienating “a growing segment of the left” from the Democratic party IS how they expect to win elections.

310 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:51:31pm

re: #306 engineer cat

democrats of today might not be progressives, but i still vote democratic at every chance if only to stop republicans

generally in regard to politicians i don’t expect much and generally that’s exactly what we get

The pendulum swings back and forth. I try to vote to keep it from getting stuck at either extreme. Currently, I think it is still too far to the Right.

311 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:51:43pm

re: #306 engineer cat

democrats of today might not be progressives, but i still vote democratic at every chance if only to stop republicans

generally in regard to politicians i don’t expect much and generally that’s exactly what we get

Yup. Sums up the last 50 years.

312 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:51:53pm

1.6% of the monstrous behemoth that is the series of tubes.

313 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:52:28pm

re: #304 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Obama has brought about quite a bit of progressive change, and he’s done some of while having a GOP house. Getting Sotomayor on the court was huge. I’m really, really hoping he gets one more justice.

i really like having obama as president

everytime he opens his mouth i thank dog that finally an intelligent, reasonable person is president of the united states again

314 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:52:48pm

re: #312 Varek Raith

1.6% of the monstrous behemoth that is the series of tubes.

98.6% of that is LOLCats.

315 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:52:49pm

What a weinie statement.

starbucks.com

I’ve never been in a Starbucks, and if one opened around here, I probably still wouldn’t. Too many gun nuts in this area and I don’t want to be hanging around where people are packing.

“We continue to encourage customers and advocacy groups from all sides of the debate to contact their elected officials, who make the open carry laws that our company follows. Our long-standing approach to this topic has been to comply with local laws and statutes in the communities we serve.”

316 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:54:13pm

re: #315 Justanotherhuman

What a weinie statement.

starbucks.com

I’ve never been in a Starbucks, and if one opened around here, I probably still wouldn’t. Too many gun nuts in this area and I don’t want to be hanging around where people are packing.

“We continue to encourage customers and advocacy groups from all sides of the debate to contact their elected officials, who make the open carry laws that our company follows. Our long-standing approach to this topic has been to comply with local laws and statutes in the communities we serve.”

Harvard Businesspeak for “Shut up and buy the 4.00 coffee”.

317 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:55:01pm

A far cry from monitoring my online life, no?

318 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 4:55:02pm

I really don’t mean to trivialize Kagan, who is also good, I just really really like Sotomayor and think in retrospect it’s incredible we got someone as progressive as she is on the bench. She’s already ruling against Obama on governmental powers. So let’s remember that about Obama— he appointed Sotomayor, who he can’t in any way control, who he knew was a true-blue privacy advocate and defender of civil rights, to the Supreme Court where he knew she’d rule against him sometimes.

He could have picked some ‘centrist’ judge who was comfortable with executive power. That would be what someone who wanted to expand executive power would do.

319 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:01:31pm

The Internet.
1 exabyte to possibly 1 yottabyte in size.

How many NSA employees would be needed to comb what already exists?
Let’s ask Mr. Owl.

320 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:03:01pm

re: #319 Varek Raith

The Internet.
1 exabyte to possibly 1 yottabyte in size.

How many NSA employees would be needed to comb what already exists?
Let’s ask Mr. Owl.

I’d like a backup copy. How many 3.5 inch DSDD disks is that?

321 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:04:09pm

re: #320 Decatur Deb

I’d like a backup copy. How many 3.5 inch DSDD disks is that?

to store a yottabyte on terabyte sized hard drives would require a million city block size data-centers, as big as the states of Delaware and Rhode Island.[1] If 64 GB microSDXC cards (the most compact data storage medium available to public as of early 2013) were used instead, the total volume would be approximately 2500000 cubic meters, or the volume of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

322 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:04:37pm
323 AlexRogan  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:05:24pm

re: #304 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Obama has brought about quite a bit of progressive change, and he’s done some of while having a GOP house. Getting Sotomayor on the court was huge. I’m really, really hoping he gets one more justice.

President Obama has done fairly well, considering that he’s had a hostile House and an almost ineffectual Senate the past three years, but I get the feeling that who ‘stone’ is referring to as “a growing segment of the left” are glibertarian moonbats who have more in common with RWNJs than the rest of us who aren’t batshit crazy or who don’t have a burning hatred for the black man in the White House.

324 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:05:45pm

re: #321 Varek Raith

It’s cool. I get a discount on Tiger Direct.

325 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:06:33pm

re: #313 engineer cat

i really like having obama as president

everytime he opens his mouth i thank dog that finally an intelligent, reasonable person is president of the united states again

It remains grimly amusing that Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize merely for not being a GOP nutcase.

326 darthstar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:07:18pm

I seem to have picked up a stalker on Twitter.

327 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:07:22pm
328 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:07:25pm

ETA of entire internet download;
11 trillion years.

329 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:07:36pm
I don’t blame Summers’s friends for making the case for him, of course. But picking Summers over Yellen because the former has more well-connected friends is exactly how glass ceilings are maintained collectively by people who aren’t necessarily sexists individually. And that goes double when the defenses, like Sunstein’s, don’t really address Yellen’s most important advantages or the most important reasons to be concerned about Summers’s track record when you look closely.
330 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:08:03pm

re: #322 FemNaziBitch

Yeah,
I think it’s
still
way
too far
to the
Right.

Neat presentation, but it messed with the tabbing.

331 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:08:47pm

re: #300 stone

That’s precisely why I think this is an important conversation to have. I don’t think you can alienate a growing segment of the left and expect to win elections.

I agree that a conversation about security vs. civil liberties is overdue in the US. One of the big impediments to having this conversation in any intelligent way is the demagoguery of Glenn Greenwald.

332 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:09:01pm

My point?
The internet is hilariously, stupidly big.
Any one who claims to be able to monitor it is insane.
;)

333 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:10:24pm

Happy Friday, lizards!

334 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:10:46pm

re: #330 Decatur Deb

Neat presentation, but it messed with the tabbing.

Tabbing is exactly how I posted it.

335 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:10:52pm

re: #325 EPR-radar

It remains grimly amusing that Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize merely for not being a GOP nutcase.

“The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama’s vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.”

Read the entire statement here: nobelprize.org

336 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:12:15pm

Dogwalk time. Circling the suburban block, I’ll pass at least two Gadsden flag and two Confederate battle flag license plates. BBL

337 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:12:49pm

re: #327 Eclectic Cyborg

So in other words they ignore all porn searches?

is there anything on the internet which is not pr0n?

338 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:13:51pm

re: #324 Decatur Deb

It’s cool. I get a discount on Tiger Direct.

This many.
1,356,336,805,555,555,555.5555555555555556

339 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:14:31pm

re: #336 Decatur Deb

Dogwalk time. Circling the suburban block, I’ll pass at least two Gadsden flag and two Confederate battle flag license plates. BBL

Bet you won’t pass one like this.

340 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:14:46pm

re: #303 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

WINNING.

341 Kragar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:15:13pm

re: #328 Varek Raith

ETA of entire internet download;
11 trillion years.

But its so light!

Youtube Video

342 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:15:19pm

re: #337 engineer cat

is there anything on the internet which is not pr0n?

Well, considering the complexity of the human mind combined with the myriad of ways one can repressed … .

Probably not.

343 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:16:13pm

re: #338 Varek Raith

This many.
1,356,336,805,555,555,555.5555555555555556

Oh. Better get a bunch of inkjet cartridges for the printout.

344 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:16:40pm

re: #343 Decatur Deb

Oh. Better get a bunch of inkjet cartridges for the printout.

nah, just take a screen shot while at Starbucks.

345 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:17:04pm

re: #343 Decatur Deb

Oh. Better get a bunch of inkjet cartridges for the printout.

I don’t think there is enough trees on the planet for that….

346 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:17:28pm

re: #344 FemNaziBitch

nah, just take a screen shot while at Starbucks.

Bitmap of course.

347 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:18:19pm

Hah! This year I’ve earned $30 on CafePress. Mostly from a girlfriend who bought products I put a design I made of her Cat one them. Custom order.

I did sell 4 bumper magnets. I think I made $2 on them.

348 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:19:30pm

The ‘radical’ nuclear missile test that made history

The behemoth nicknamed Zero-One-Four arrived at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware Wednesday, where it soon will be handed over to the Air Mobility Command Museum. The giant jet with 90014 painted on its tail made history in 1974 when it became the only aircraft ever to drop and ignite a live, Minuteman intercontinental ballistic missile.

Was that OSHA compliant???

349 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:21:03pm
350 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:21:17pm

Very freaking big, the Yottabyte is.

351 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:21:49pm

You know, Oprah is a “tradionally built woman” AND she is still really, really stunning. Do you think Rush is jealous that she is able to stay beautiful and no matter how much money he spends, he hasn’t?

352 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:22:10pm

re: #350 Eclectic Cyborg

Very freaking big, the Yottabyte is.

sounds Swedish.

353 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:23:07pm

re: #340 Dr Lizardo

WINNING.

I favorited it. I need to tattoo it on my brain, or at least write it on a post-it and stick it….somewhere.

354 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:23:50pm

re: #350 Eclectic Cyborg

Very freaking big, the Yottabyte is.

Is that anything like a jiggawatt?

//

355 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:24:58pm

re: #351 FemNaziBitch

That’s because ugly goes clear to the bone. There’s not enough medical technology in the world to remove Rush’s kind of ugly.

356 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:25:18pm
357 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:26:13pm

re: #351 FemNaziBitch

You know, Oprah is a “tradionally built woman” AND she is still really, really stunning. Do you think Rush is jealous that she is able to stay beautiful and no matter how much money he spends, he hasn’t?

Oprah is black, female, and way richer than Rush.

Rush is a bigot, a misogynist, and greedy.

Jealous isn’t a big enough word for it.

358 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:26:58pm

I figured out you can tweet from a cafe-press product page. Yes, it’s only a been a year.

So, if anyone is so inclined.

Any profits worth writing a check for go to the local Domestic Violence and Rape Crisis center.

359 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:28:02pm

re: #357 wrenchwench

Oprah is black, female, and way richer than Rush.

Rush is a bigot, a misogynist, and greedy.

Jealous isn’t a big enough word for it.

And she has a larger audience—greater market share.

That has to just eat him from the inside out.

360 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:28:16pm

re: #356 stone

I wish we could just agree to stipulate that Greenwald has not done a great job reporting the story and then address the important issues that remain. There’s no putting this one back in the can, and focusing too much on Greenwald looks overly defensive, IMO.

“Focusing too much on Greenwald”? When the little pissant has dubbed himself High Lord of all that Snowden “leaked” and gets on the case of anybody who questions either the validity of said “leaks” or suggests that Snowden deserves anything short of exoneration and a medal, it’s rather hard to no focus on the man.

361 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:28:59pm

re: #335 Justanotherhuman

“The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama’s vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.”

Read the entire statement here: nobelprize.org

Thanks for the link.


Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama’s initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

The quoted excerpt is basically a polite way of saying Obama is not a wingnut.

362 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:30:10pm

re: #350 Eclectic Cyborg

Very freaking big, the Yottabyte is.

Well, considering that Microsoft has at least 300K, or more, servers just for Xbox 1. And that’s just for a gaming system.

363 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:30:24pm

re: #360 Targetpractice

Especially when he is doing the attention seeking. Look how he behaves on Twitter.

364 blueraven  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:30:40pm

re: #356 stone

I wish we could just agree to stipulate that Greenwald has not done a great job reporting the story and then address the important issues that remain. There’s no putting this one back in the can, and focusing too much on Greenwald looks overly defensive, IMO.

OK tell us…what do you want to see happen in regards to the NSA?

365 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:31:23pm

I don’t know what to make of this one. Is the doctor ready for the Alzheimer’s Unit or is the doctor trying to make a statement?

366 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:32:12pm

re: #362 Justanotherhuman

Well, considering that Microsoft has at least 300K, or more, servers just for Xbox 1. And that’s just for a gaming system.

Well, you know, secret messages could be sent and received by game designers and players in interactive games … . .

367 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:33:54pm

re: #354 Targetpractice

Is that anything like a jiggawatt?

//

If we can have a Yottabyte, why not a Jabba the Watt?

368 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:34:05pm

re: #361 EPR-radar

Thanks for the link.

The quoted excerpt is basically a polite way of saying Obama is not a wingnut.

Actually, I prefer “the adult in the room”. Nice way of saying “pragmatic”, also.

369 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:41:10pm

re: #347 FemNaziBitch

Hah! This year I’ve earned $30 on CafePress. Mostly from a girlfriend who bought products I put a design I made of her Cat one them. Custom order.

I did sell 4 bumper magnets. I think I made $2 on them.

Do magnets still stick to bumpers? BBL fur real.

370 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:42:53pm

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Do magnets still stick to bumpers? BBL fur real.

Probably not —But “car or truck trunk/hatch/door/boot magnet store” just doesn’t work.

371 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:43:21pm

re: #353 wrenchwench

I favorited it. I need to tattoo it on my brain, or at least write it on a post-it and stick it….somewhere.

Similar to hate/animosity/jealousy….is having someone live rent free in your head.

372 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:46:15pm

re: #350 Eclectic Cyborg

Very freaking big, the Yottabyte is.

833333333333333333333333333333.33 1.44 disks. (formatted hold 1.2mb)

373 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 5:49:40pm
374 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 6:17:29pm

re: #356 stone

I wish we could just agree to stipulate that Greenwald has not done a great job reporting the story and then address the important issues that remain. There’s no putting this one back in the can, and focusing too much on Greenwald looks overly defensive, IMO.

littlegreenfootballs.com

375 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 9, 2013 6:39:24pm
376 Carlos Diggler  Sat, Aug 10, 2013 7:47:28am

re: #178 stone

My first experience of it was in this post:
littlegreenfootballs.com

I’ll be happy though if this was just an anomaly and discussion can now proceed in a more civilized way.

Quit being a ratfucker.


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