Rand Paul, the One-Man Republican Rebranding Effort

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Rand Paul, who opposes the Civil Rights Act and defended a white supremacist staffer who wrote an article titled “John Wilkes Booth Was Right,” is reaching out to the African American community again by stating, “I Don’t Think There Is Any Particular Evidence” of Black Voters Being Prevented From Voting.

Rand Paul knows very well that this isn’t true, of course; he’s seen lots of evidence from the inside. He’s part of the effort to prevent black voters from voting, and one of the ways they advance this goal is to lie about it.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), a tea party senator with a long history of opposition to civil rights laws, told an audience in Louisville, Kentucky on Wednesday that there is no evidence of black voters being excluded from the franchise. According to local NPR host Phillip Bailey, Paul said that he does not believe “there is any particular evidence of polls barring African Americans from voting,” during a speech to the non-partisan Louisville Forum.

If Paul is not aware of the evidence indicating widespread efforts to prevent African Americans from voting, then he must not be looking very hard. During the 2012 election, black and Hispanic voters waited nearly twice as long to cast a ballot as white voters. In Florida, lines of up to six hours led an estimated 201,000 people to become frustrated and leave the polls. These lines existed largely because of a voter suppression bill signed into law by Gov. Rick Scott (R-FL) which reduced early voting hours in the state. After the election, top Republicans admitted that the purpose of cutting early voting was to reduce Democratic turnout. One Republican operative conceded that early voting was cut on the Sunday proceeding Election Day because “that’s a big day when the black churches organize themselves.”

Meanwhile, voter ID laws are rampant in states led by conservatives, despite the fact that these laws cannot be justified by any legitimate purpose. Although their proponents routinely claim that an ID requirement is necessary to prevent voter fraud at the polls, such fraud barely exists. According to one study, just 0.0023 percent of votes are the product of in person voter fraud. Meanwhile, even conservative estimates suggest that 2 to 3 percent of legitimate voters will turn turned away by a voter ID law — and these voters are disproportionately African American.

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127 comments
1 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:07:58am

Rand Paul’s rebranding slogan is “I’m with Stupid”

2 darthstar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:09:27am

re: #1 Kragar

Rand Paul’s rebranding slogan is “I’m with Stupid”

Or, “I’m the guy people who wear “I’m with Stupid” t-shirts are usually with when they wear them.”

3 Lidane  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:09:37am

Please proceed.

4 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:09:44am

It’s not re-branding, it’s re-brainwashing.

5 erik_t  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:10:47am

Rand, you weren’t supposed to get your party strategy by reading off a three-year-old Kentucky Fried Chicken menu.

6 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:12:13am

Alex Jones guest, Rand Paul.

7 jaunte  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:12:23am

Rand Paul: “the hard part about believing in freedom” is that you have to oppose the Civil Rights Act.
Youtube Video

8 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:12:37am

Speaking about rebranding:

9 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:14:01am

re: #1 Kragar

Rand Paul’s rebranding slogan is “I’m with Stupid”

No, it’s more like “I’ll do it my way and damn all the consequences! I’m right so it has to work in the end.” Life, of course, is not a Disney movie, and Senator Paul’s efforts are liable to fall flat outside of the relatively small base of Paulian support. However, it needs to be noted that the dedication of the Paulians gives them strength greater than what their mere numbers might suggest.

10 erik_t  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:14:03am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Parody account?

11 jaunte  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:14:20am

Rand Paul: “I’ve never been against the Civil Rights Act. Ever.”

12 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:14:47am

re: #10 erik_t

Parody account?

That’s the authentic account.

13 jaunte  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:15:14am

Rand Paul: “You people are stupid enough to believe me.”

14 Lidane  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:15:39am

Speaking of rebranding:

15 b.d.  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:16:40am

There is stuff he doesn’t know and stuff he doesn’t want to know….important stuff!

16 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:17:15am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Speaking about rebranding:

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My loathing of Ann Coulter aside, I agree with her on this. Stop and frisk is a good policy, and the judge who ruled against it ignored critical crime demographic realities.

I don’t love Michael Bloomberg, but there can be no doubt that his support of the NYPD has been important in keeping New york City safe.

17 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:17:24am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Speaking about rebranding:

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Shocka!
Right-Wing Media Forgo Their Commitment To The Constitution To Defend NYPD’s Stop And Frisks

18 GeneJockey  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:18:13am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Speaking about rebranding:

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So, limiting the size of drink cups is Fascism, but having police harass citizens - disproportionately blacks and Latinos - THAT is freedom?

19 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:18:41am

Last ditch action depending on short-term memory of the electorate.

Telling people there is no “Global Warming” while the watch the ice recede and sea levels increase and their own weather patterns change.

There is no War on Women because …whatever.

We can’t have Same-Sex marriage and transgender individuals because of … .

The Bible, Godwin, Death Panels.

They are grasping at straws.

20 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:21:02am

re: #18 GeneJockey

Genius, isn’t it?

21 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:21:30am

re: #19 FemNaziBitch

Last ditch action depending on short-term memory of the electorate.

Telling people there is no “Global Warming” while the watch the ice recede and sea levels increase and their own weather patterns change.

There is no War on Women because …whatever.

We can’t have Same-Sex marriage and transgender individuals because of … .

The Bible, Godwin, Death Panels.

They are grasping at straws.

Nah. They’re riding a Groundswell.

google.com

22 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:22:16am

Stop and Frisk is a violation.

It puts way too much power in the hands of flawed (mostly) men. Judge Dredd in action.

23 GeneJockey  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:22:43am

re: #20 Bulworth

Genius, isn’t it?

The mind boggles.

24 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:22:48am

re: #21 Decatur Deb

Nah. They’re riding a Groundswell.

google.com

Yeah, but there is a nasty Worm causing that swell.

25 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:23:28am

re: #14 Lidane

Speaking of rebranding:

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I propose a plan where the GOP walks out of Congress, then Dems and Indeps get to do all the work themselves and we see how we’re doing in a few weeks.

26 GeneJockey  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:24:08am

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

Stop and Frisk is a violation.

It puts way too much power in the hands of flawed (mostly) men. Judge Dredd in action.

“IAMTH’LAW!”

27 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:28:42am

re: #18 GeneJockey

So, limiting the size of drink cups is Fascism, but having police harass citizens - disproportionately blacks and Latinos - THAT is freedom?

Actually, it was the bypassing of the New York City Council that made the ban seriously problematic. Or at least, that was the grounds on which the Appellate Division denied Bloomberg’s appeal. Which is a reasonable decision with also underscores the fact that Bloomberg likely could not have gotten such a measure through the city council, whose members would be intensely lobbied by constituent businesses to oppose the law. But such legislative opposition goes into the “that’s not a bug, it’s a feature” folder in the ‘Democracy’ file drawer.

28 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:29:05am

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

I wonder, does Ann live in NYC?

29 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:29:08am

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, but there is a nasty Worm causing that swell.

We have wormsign the likes of which even God has never seen.

30 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:29:54am

re: #29 Decatur Deb

We have wormsign the likes of which even God has never seen.

And we don’t have a corner on the Spice Market.

It is not a good situation.

31 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:30:30am

re: #30 FemNaziBitch

And we don’t have a corner on the Spice Market.

It is not a good situation.

De-criminalize Spice, man.

32 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:31:29am

re: #31 Decatur Deb

De-criminalize Spice, man.

That would upset the power-structure.

33 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:32:07am

re: #32 FemNaziBitch

The Spacing Guild and the Bene Geserit wouldn’t approve. Spice is life.

34 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:32:22am

re: #32 FemNaziBitch

That would upset the power-structure.

I did not say this. I am not here. BBL

35 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:32:23am

re: #32 FemNaziBitch

That would upset the power-structure.

The Spice must flow!

36 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:32:56am

Here’s someone who figured out a way to do even worse to a dog in transit than Mitt Romney:

Outrage as Good Samaritan snaps picture of a dog riding without water in tiny crate attached to SUV doing 70mph on Georgia highway

A concerned Facebook user posted an unsettling photo on the social media site over the weekend showing a dog riding in a small, open airline crate strapped to the back of an SUV.

The image was taken by Nicole Hubbard, an animal control officer from South Carolina, who spotted the dog carrier attached to a car driving down Interstate 95 in Georgia.

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Hubbard and her boyfriend were returning home from a vacation in Florida when they spied a Dodge Durango SUV with North Carolina license plates doing 70mph on I-95 with an open dog carrier tethered to a cargo holder.

The crate was tied with a bungee cord and a nylon strap, and the cargo carrier had no protective ramp, Yahoo! Shine reported. To make matters worse, the container was positioned directly behind the exhaust pipe.

Having no jurisdiction in Georgia, Hubbard decided to alert the state highway patrol and was told over the phone that an officer will be dispatched to stop the SUV.

However, it was not until Hubbard and the driver of the Dodge crossed into South Carolina more than an hour and a half later that a local highway patrol officer pulled over the SUV with the dog crate.

37 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:33:43am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

Here’s someone who figured out a way to do even worse to a dog in transit than Mitt Romney:

Outrage as Good Samaritan snaps picture of a dog riding without water in tiny crate attached to SUV doing 70mph on Georgia highway

SNIP

Yeah, but they aren’t running for POTUS.

38 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:35:27am

re: #33 lawhawk

The Spacing Guild and the Bene Geserit wouldn’t approve. Spice is life.

So we give the guild a Scott Walker special, bust ‘em with “right to trade” legislation. If they resist, they are attempting to impose socialism and we shoot ‘em up.

/Somewhat

39 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:35:32am

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

And note too that the judge, Scheidlin, didn’t demand the end to stop and frisk, but sought to put new controls and monitors in place to make sure that it’s being applied fairly.

She saw utility in public safety, but was concerned about the excesses - that while the number of stops has increased, the actual stops resulting in arrests hasn’t. That takes on the form of harassment of the community being policed.

It was a more balanced decision than anyone cares to admit. It gives something to both sides. Stop and frisk can continue. At the same time, monitors will look to see that the stops are constitutional and not out of bounds. Police will be testing camera recorders to record the stops, which will be later reviewed.

I see all that as a good thing.

40 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:36:21am

re: #34 Decatur Deb

I did not say this. I am not here. BBL

I see plans within plans.

41 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:37:06am

bbl

42 jaunte  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:38:10am

re: #39 lawhawk

…while the number of stops has increased, the actual stops resulting in arrests hasn’t. That takes on the form of harassment of the community being policed.

Wasn’t the statistic something like just 1% of the stops resulting in the discovery of a weapon?

43 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:38:20am

re: #39 lawhawk

And note too that the judge, Scheidlin, didn’t demand the end to stop and frisk, but sought to put new controls and monitors in place to make sure that it’s being applied fairly.

She saw utility in public safety, but was concerned about the excesses - that while the number of stops has increased, the actual stops resulting in arrests hasn’t. That takes on the form of harassment of the community being policed.

It was a more balanced decision than anyone cares to admit. It gives something to both sides. Stop and frisk can continue. At the same time, monitors will look to see that the stops are constitutional and not out of bounds. Police will be testing camera recorders to record the stops, which will be later reviewed.

I see all that as a good thing.

Of course, Glenn Greenwald is going to have one of his patented freakouts about the “Big Brother” aspects of any such cemeras. Naturally, he’ll ignore the fact that on a public street a person has no expectation of visual privacy.

44 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:39:09am

It is by derp alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Limbaugh that thoughts acquire derp, the shirts acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by derp alone I set my mind in motion.

45 ObserverArt  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:40:24am

There is no particular evidence Rand Paul is presidential material.

Stop and Frisk seems very East German to me. I think it flies in the face of the very essence of freedom and basic rights like innocent until proven guilty, illegal search and seizure, due process, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It always amazes me that arch conservatives would support such a law. Where the hell is the small government, protect the Constitution, don’t tread on me in this law??? It also smacks of lazy police work, vindictiveness, messing with people you do not like, etc. At its core it’s punitive which is un-American. I’d like crime low too, but there have to be better ways.

46 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:41:25am

Meanwhile, here is the guy who is going to run against Cory Booker:

47 Lidane  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:42:06am
48 Lidane  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:43:28am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

So we should start calling him Senator Booker, then?

49 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:45:46am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

He was busy claiming to be at a disadvantage because Booker’s black. That followed his gaffetastic tweet earlier this week.

It just ignores that Lonegan’s been a nutter for a long time, and that he lost statewide elections before - to Christie by a huge margin. He’s still got a whole lot of animus about that too. Voters - GOPers - rejected him before, and he’s got even less support among the independents, let alone Democrats.

But that’s not going to keep Lonegan from slinging as much mud as possible against Booker. That’s the NJ way.

50 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:47:27am

N.C. Gov. McCrory’s Approval Rating Sinks To New Low

A new poll out Wednesday found North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory’s (R) approval rating dropping to its lowest mark since he took office earlier this year, days after he signed one of the most restrictive voting laws in the country.

The survey from Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling found that 51 percent of Tar Heel State voters disapprove of the job McCrory is doing, while just 39 percent said they approve. It was the second consecutive month that PPP found McCrory with a negative approval rating, but 39 percent represents a new low in PPP’s polling for the first time Republican.

51 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:48:20am

re: #47 Lidane

Sucks for the Arizona citizens to be represented by a delegation so craven as to block federal assistance to Sandy victims for months, but demand immediate federal assistance for their own natural disasters. Hypocrisy doesn’t begin to cover this.

52 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:48:34am

re: #37 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, but they aren’t running for POTUS.

True, but I wanted to call attention to what I see as a seriously ‘asshole’ action. That was my only motive.

53 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:50:42am

re: #51 lawhawk

Sucks for the Arizona citizens to be represented by a delegation so craven as to block federal assistance to Sandy victims for months, but demand immediate federal assistance for their own natural disasters. Hypocrisy doesn’t begin to cover this.

Is it okay yet to suggest that we tell them where to stick their demands? Or is that a call for a browbeating and declarations that no matter how hypocritical they act, we must give into their demands lest we be seen as “punishing” their constituents?

54 gwangung  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:52:17am

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

My loathing of Ann Coulter aside, I agree with her on this. Stop and frisk is a good policy, and the judge who ruled against it ignored critical crime demographic realities.

You sound like a race realist (besides ignoring basic statistics).

55 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:54:03am

Obdi, saw your emails, I’ll check it out tonight.

How were the rewrites?

56 Lidane  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:55:09am
57 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:55:32am

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

My loathing of Ann Coulter aside, I agree with her on this. Stop and frisk is a good policy, and the judge who ruled against it ignored critical crime demographic realities.

Both you and Ann Coulter are ignoring the crime demographic reality that crimes that are committed at the same or higher rate among the white population— like drug use— result in far fewer proportional arrests.

For crimes that are committed at the same rate, blacks are arrested far, far more often than whites.

This policy is more of that systemic racism. Yes, it’s also class-ism, but in the US, that’s bound up in racism.

58 RadicalModerate  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:55:38am

How in the hell can Rand Paul state that there is no effort to restrict the voting rights of nonwhites when there is a Tea Party group whose stated goal is exactly that?

Telling the truth about True The Vote

As my colleague Laura Conaway reported last year, “True the Vote is a project of the King Street Patriots, a Tea Party chapter in Houston, Texas. One True the Vote leader tells volunteers their goal is to give voters a feeling ‘like driving and seeing the police following you.’”

True the Vote’s efforts became so controversial that Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), a longtime champion of voting rights, called for an investigation of the group’s alleged voter-suppression techniques. “At some point, an effort to challenge voter registrations by the thousands without any legitimate basis may be evidence of illegal voter suppression…. If these efforts [from True the Vote] are intentional, politically motivated and widespread across multiple states, they could amount to a criminal conspiracy to deny legitimate voters their constitutional rights.”

We’re talking about a poll-watching Tea Party group that hosts conferences with notorious voter-suppression proponents.

59 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:55:39am

I saw this Tweet from wingnut Prudence and did a double take.
Please proceed, Tea Party.

60 darthstar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:55:45am

re: #47 Lidane

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Same thing happened in Texas.

61 darthstar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:57:39am

re: #47 Lidane

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Actually, they’re full of shit.

Sens. Jeff Flake and John McCain (R-AZ)

Sens. Jeff Flake and John McCain (R-AZ)

CREDIT: AP Photo/Julie Jacobson

Arizona Republicans Sen. Jeff Flake, Sen. John McCain, and Rep. Paul Gosar all voted against emergency relief funding after SuperStorm Sandy ravaged much of the New Jersey and New York area earlier this year. Now, following an Arizona wildfire, the same trio is vocally complaining that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is not doing enough to aid their state.

In light of sequestration and budget tightening, FEMA has limited funding and cannot respond to every single flood, fire, and other issue that hits. Last week, the agency announced that it would not declare Yarnell, Arizona, a federal disaster area. A spokesman explained that while the agency had assisted firefighters during the deadly June blaze, “the damage to uninsured private residences from this event was not beyond the response and recovery capabilities of the state/local governments, and voluntary agencies.”

They just don’t want to use their state budgets…fuckers.

62 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:57:42am

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

critical crime demographic realities

how do you explain this phrase so that it doesn’t mean “any brown people in my neighborhood are suspicious”?

63 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:58:15am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

I saw this Tweet from wingnut Prudence and did a double take.
Please proceed, Tea Party.

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Because what we need is to turn every safe seat into a wild card! That’ll show’em!!

64 Lidane  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:58:36am
65 GeneJockey  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:58:39am

re: #44 Kragar

It is by derp alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Limbaugh that thoughts acquire derp, the shirts acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by derp alone I set my mind in motion.

So, you’re a Dementat?

66 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:59:30am

re: #53 Targetpractice

Well, FEMA’s again in a position that it can’t act because of funding limits and sequestration. Congress is in recess, and when they come back they’re going to have to deal with sequestration and the new budget year starting October 1.

The GOP is threatening yet another shutdown and debt limit fight that will end badly for the economy and anyone hit, or could be hit (between now and October 1 - we’re entering the heart of hurricane season) by natural disasters.

It’s not out of the realm of possibility that we see another Gulf Coast hurricane or tropical storm do massive damage to the coast, or an East Coast storm devastating the Carolinas. They happen all too frequently, and the feds come up with the money.

And the pipeline for new natural disaster declarations is likely to grow based on events already occurred - flooding across the Southeast, in PA and NJ this week, and across the Southwest including drought and floods.

67 Lidane  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:59:38am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

ROFL. Please proceed, wingnuts.

68 darthstar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:00:06pm

re: #62 engineer cat

how do you explain this phrase so that it doesn’t mean “any brown people in my neighborhood are suspicious”?

“Critical crime demographic realities” completely removes the concept of dark people as people. They’re just ‘demographic realities’ - non-human entities that don’t count toward concerns of racism.

Gotta hand it to DF…he takes racism to a whole new level of abstraction.

69 darthstar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:00:26pm

Downdings from bigots welcome.

70 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:00:52pm

Ann Coulter @AnnCoulter

I take back everything I’ve ever

it certainly does seem this year like a lot of traditional left/right issues have come unstuck and are now cross-cutting

personally i am hoping for the logjam of identity and dog-pack politics to come apart and the beginning of an era of mass confusion as people are forced to think for themselves

71 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:01:08pm

re: #61 darthstar

Actually, they’re full of shit.

They just don’t want to use their state budgets…fuckers.

My surprise, let me show you it.

72 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:04:10pm

Self-awareness, he has none.

73 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:05:19pm

re: #66 lawhawk

Well, FEMA’s again in a position that it can’t act because of funding limits and sequestration. Congress is in recess, and when they come back they’re going to have to deal with sequestration and the new budget year starting October 1.

The GOP is threatening yet another shutdown and debt limit fight that will end badly for the economy and anyone hit, or could be hit (between now and October 1 - we’re entering the heart of hurricane season) by natural disasters.

It’s not out of the realm of possibility that we see another Gulf Coast hurricane or tropical storm do massive damage to the coast, or an East Coast storm devastating the Carolinas. They happen all too frequently, and the feds come up with the money.

And the pipeline for new natural disaster declarations is likely to grow based on events already occurred - flooding across the Southeast, in PA and NJ this week, and across the Southwest including drought and floods.

True, true. The cynic in me (rather, the cynic that is me) has pretty much prepared for the coming shutdown and default I see as inevitable. I just don’t have much faith this time that there will be a last-minute deal, a last minute reprieve from the folly of the Tea Party’s insanity. We’re all going over the cliff, with the TPers leading the charge.

Even the likelihood that the GOP will bear full responsibility for the resulting financial and economic disaster is not much comfort.

74 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:05:23pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

My loathing of Ann Coulter aside, I agree with her on this. Stop and frisk is a good policy, and the judge who ruled against it ignored critical crime demographic realities.

I don’t love Michael Bloomberg, but there can be no doubt that his support of the NYPD has been important in keeping New york City safe.

sir? do you mind if i ask you what you are doing here?

you wouldn’t happen to have some photo id on you that i could see?

would it be ok with you if you could just empty your pockets and your backpack?

just being careful!

75 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:05:28pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

Self-awareness, he has none.

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Damn it Stan!

76 ObserverArt  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:06:09pm

thenre: #57 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Both you and Ann Coulter are ignoring the crime demographic reality that crimes that are committed at the same or higher rate among the white population— like drug use— result in far fewer proportional arrests.

For crimes that are committed at the same rate, blacks are arrested far, far more often than whites.

This policy is more of that systemic racism. Yes, it’s also class-ism, but in the US, that’s bound up in racism.

I think there should be a special wing of the NYPD combined with IRS/FTC police to drop in on Wall Streeters and big business dudes like The Donald to stop that white collar on white crime!

You know, blurry lines and slippery slopes. Prevention is prevention.

77 SchadenBoner  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:08:05pm

re: #76 ObserverArt

then

I think there should be a special wing of the NYPD combined with IRS/FTC police to drop in on Wall Streeters and big business dudes like The Donald to stop that white collar on white crime!

You know, blurry lines and slippery slopes. Prevention is prevention.

Exactly. Why, if a culture of criminality took hold in Wall Street the consequences could be severe. It could even cause a recession!

78 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:09:08pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

My loathing of Ann Coulter aside, I agree with her on this. Stop and frisk is a good policy, and the judge who ruled against it ignored critical crime demographic realities.

I don’t love Michael Bloomberg, but there can be no doubt that his support of the NYPD has been important in keeping New york City safe.

4th

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

79 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:09:12pm

re: #76 ObserverArt

Seriously. We are critically in need of financial police, and we have almost none of them.

80 GeneJockey  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:09:30pm

re: #77 SchadenBoner

Exactly. Why, if a culture of criminality took hold in Wall Street the consequences could be severe. It could even cause a recession!

Nonsense!! The Free Market (All Hail The Free Market!) is self-policing! Recessions are only caused by Government interference!

81 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:09:48pm
82 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:11:18pm
83 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:12:07pm

re: #80 GeneJockey

Nonsense!! The Free Market (All Hail The Free Market!) is self-policing! Recessions are only caused by Government interference!

EVERYBODY PAYS $275/HR FOR AN ENTRY LEVEL FINANCIAL CONSULTANT, I’D GO OUT OF BUSINESS IF I DIDN’T PAY THE SAME RATE!!!111!!

84 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:12:13pm

re: #82 Kragar

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If not, there’s plenty of room for them in Siberia!

85 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:12:45pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

My loathing of Ann Coulter aside, I agree with her on this. Stop and frisk is a good policy, and the judge who ruled against it ignored critical crime demographic realities.

I don’t love Michael Bloomberg, but there can be no doubt that his support of the NYPD has been important in keeping New york City safe.

Tell that to the African American federal law enforcement officer I work with at the national battlefield. While visiting family in the Bronx, her 14 year old son was literally grabbed and assaulted by 4 white police officers as he stepped outside onto the sidewalk from the front door of his aunt’s home. He did not even make it to the curb before he was taken down. My friend heard her sister call that her son was being arrested, so she grabbed her federal badge and ran out the front door to the street to head off her husband who would have likely precipitated a major incident. The officers accused her son of being a known drug dealer in the neighborhood. He had literally been in the Bronx for less than one day.

After that, her son refused to leave the house for any reason until they packed up and left for home. Nothing racist to see here, nope.

86 GeneJockey  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:14:33pm

Oh, and speaking of Wall Street Criminality, or at least Criminal Stupidity, Rick Santelli says he doesn’t believe the Government inflation numbers.

“Listen, I don’t believe the government’s calculations. There, I said it,” Santelli said. “I don’t have better numbers; I have common sense.”

So, he doesn’t have DATA, but he’s SURE that there must be more inflation than is being reported. There just HAS TO BE!

87 Mattand  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:15:13pm

Re: Rand Paul:

Part of me wonders whether Paul knows this is bullshit, but is doing it so the racist part of the Republican party (which gets bigger every day) can say: “Look! He tried to reach out to those people, but they laughed in his face.”

It also plays into the narrative that a lot of white conservatives have; namely that delusion discrimination against minorities in general, and voting in particular, is overblown or doesn’t exist.

As I’ve said before, Chris Christie is doing the same thing with his bullshit “Let’s vote on whether the gays should be equal” referendum here in NJ.

If it passes, he’s a conservative hero. If it fails, he’s a conservative martyr.

88 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:15:56pm

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, but there is a nasty Worm causing that swell.

Damned drum sand does it every time. Who needs a thumper when you have to walk on that stuff?

89 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:15:57pm

GOP Congressman Argues Against Multiculturalism: ‘There’s Only One Race Here, It’s The American Race’

Fielding questions about immigration reform, McClintock told the audience on Tuesday evening that he worries current generations of immigrants aren’t assimilating like in the past but instead retaining the culture from their native land. “There’s only one race here, it’s the American race,” he implored to constituents.

McCLINTOCK: Interestingly, that provision for patriotic integration is missing from the Senate legislation. The motto of this country is e pluribus unum, and one of its meanings is “from many nations, one nation, the American nation.” There’s only one race here, it’s the American race. And the only way you accomplish that is through assimilation. That is what our immigration laws are designed to promote, and that is precisely what illegal immigration undermines.

Then lets make sure they have all the tools to quickly and efficiently become productive citizens with the same access to voting, healthcare and other benefits that all Americans are entitled to.

90 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:16:26pm

re: #64 Lidane

But is he lazy and shiftless? RT @PeterHambyCNN: RNC Chairman @reince calls Obama “the king of golf and vacations”
— Matt Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 14, 2013

That’s rich coming after a Bush the Lesser presidency.

91 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:16:30pm
92 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:17:07pm

re: #89 Kragar

GOP Congressman Argues Against Multiculturalism: ‘There’s Only One Race Here, It’s The American Race’

Then lets make sure they have all the tools to quickly and efficiently become productive citizens with the same access to voting, healthcare and other benefits that all Americans are entitled to.

By which, of course, he means the law should say “Act white or get out!”

93 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:18:11pm

re: #90 Eventual Carrion

94 ObserverArt  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:18:28pm

re: #85 celticdragon

Tell that to the African American federal law enforcement officer I work with at the national battlefield. While visiting family in the Bronx, her 14 year old son was literally grabbed and assaulted by 4 white police officers as he stepped outside onto the sidewalk from the front door of his aunt’s home. He did not even make it to the curb before he was taken down. My friend heard her sister call that her son was being arrested, so she grabbed her federal badge and ran out the front door to the street to head off her husband who would have likely precipitated a major incident. The officers accused her son of being a known drug dealer in the neighborhood. He had literally been in the Bronx for less than one day.

After that, her son refused to leave the house for any reason until they packed up and left for home. Nothing racist to see here, nope.

Phhht! Just the cost of freedom. Man up.

/x3

And never forget the classic - “What does it matter if they have nothing to hide or aren’t doing anything wrong.”

95 GeneJockey  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:19:17pm

re: #91 Gus

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I see a new path to denial in the GOP:

Economic inequality is not a problem because we live in a classless society. Anyone using the term ‘class’ must be some kinda MARXIST!

Racism doesn’t exist in America because we’re all one race. Anyone usin the term ‘race’ must be some kinda RACIST!

96 Mattand  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:20:03pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

My loathing of Ann Coulter aside, I agree with her on this. Stop and frisk is a good policy, and the judge who ruled against it ignored critical crime demographic realities.

I don’t love Michael Bloomberg, but there can be no doubt that his support of the NYPD has been important in keeping New york City safe.

I generally don’t down ding. I’m making the exception in this case.

Seriously, what the fuck, dude? You know why you think stop and frisk is a great idea?

BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN TO YOU AS A WHITE MALE.

Jesus Christ on a piece of toast, it’s shit like this that reinforces my view of conservatives as completely without compassion.

Here’s another pro tip: Ann Coulter is a horrible human being. I’d downding you again, if I could, for agreeing with that lunatic.

97 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:20:21pm

re: #91 Gus

Get into that pot and MELT, damn you! MELT!

98 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:20:53pm

But the usual suspects bitch when the President is actually doing his job. They complain when he goes on “vacation” which as I’ve repeatedly noted, isn’t a conventional vacation since his job follows him around 24/7/365, and they complain when he does anything.

They just complain and bitch because they lost. And keep losing. And this isn’t going to win them any more votes than they got in 2012 or 2008 because they don’t have any policies to champion. Repealing Obamacare isn’t a policy, it’s abdication of their obligations to protect the welfare of the nation.

99 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:21:18pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

What a damn tool. Does he have a history like Issa’s?

100 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:23:55pm

re: #97 Vicious Babushka

Get into that pot and MELT, damn you! MELT!

Funny how they have no problem with us Scottish Americans having Highland Games and wearing shirts like “What Would Wallace Do?” to support Scottish independence, or Greek festivals, Polish festivals, St Paddy Day parades and the like…but mention diversity that isn’t European in provenance and they go apeshit and complain about “hyphenated Americans” and “whiny special interest victim minority groups”.

101 GeneJockey  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:24:12pm

re: #98 lawhawk

But the usual suspects bitch when the President is actually doing his job. They complain when he goes on “vacation” which as I’ve repeatedly noted, isn’t a conventional vacation since his job follows him around 24/7/365, and they complain when he does anything.

The same folks who bitch about Obama taking too much vacation used the same exact line when Bush and Reagan each took a lot MORE vacation.

102 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:24:56pm

re: #99 ProTARDISLiberal

What a damn tool. Does he have a history like Issa’s?

Grand theft auto??

103 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:25:09pm

re: #101 GeneJockey

The same folks who bitch about Obama taking too much vacation used the same exact line when Bush and Reagan each took a lot MORE vacation.

“There’s been a hurricane in New Orleans! Why isn’t he cutting his vacation short?!”
“He’s not on vacation! He’s working all the time!!!”

104 Mattand  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:25:15pm

re: #85 celticdragon

Tell that to the African American federal law enforcement officer I work with at the national battlefield. While visiting family in the Bronx, her 14 year old son was literally grabbed and assaulted by 4 white police officers as he stepped outside onto the sidewalk from the front door of his aunt’s home. He did not even make it to the curb before he was taken down. My friend heard her sister call that her son was being arrested, so she grabbed her federal badge and ran out the front door to the street to head off her husband who would have likely precipitated a major incident. The officers accused her son of being a known drug dealer in the neighborhood. He had literally been in the Bronx for less than one day.

After that, her son refused to leave the house for any reason until they packed up and left for home. Nothing racist to see here, nope.

I’m so sorry to hear that. It’s shit like this that makes me embarrassed to be a human being and an American.

105 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:26:29pm

re: #89 Kragar

GOP Congressman Argues Against Multiculturalism: ‘There’s Only One Race Here, It’s The American Race’

i will believe him when he makes a statement condemning “white pride” organizations for divisiveness

come to think of it, let’s hear rand paul, glen beck, and rush limbaugh do the same thing

106 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:26:37pm

re: #98 lawhawk

But the usual suspects bitch when the President is actually doing his job. They complain when he goes on “vacation” which as I’ve repeatedly noted, isn’t a conventional vacation since his job follows him around 24/7/365, and they complain when he does anything.

They just complain and bitch because they lost. And keep losing. And this isn’t going to win them any more votes than they got in 2012 or 2008 because they don’t have any policies to champion. Repealing Obamacare isn’t a policy, it’s abdication of their obligations to protect the welfare of the nation.

The President is just plain lazy. I’ve heard from some sources that some nights, he lies down for several hours at a time and just does nothing until his alarm clock goes off.

107 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:27:19pm

re: #100 celticdragon

Which is especially funny because a few of the groups they and my dad bitch about actually played important parts in US history.

At OU, I tended to get along much better with those who weren’t from cookie-cutter white suburbia. My experiences with those people were people who had over-inflated views of their own intelligence, and were often creationists. I could live in the Big City or a small town.

I do not think I could live in a suburb or bumfuck nowhere.

108 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:27:45pm

re: #102 celticdragon

Among other things (arson?), yes. I mean criminal activity.

109 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:30:39pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

My loathing of Ann Coulter aside, I agree with her on this. Stop and frisk is a good policy, and the judge who ruled against it ignored critical crime demographic realities.

I don’t love Michael Bloomberg, but there can be no doubt that his support of the NYPD has been important in keeping New york City safe.

Give me a fucking break.

110 Ian G.  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:31:43pm

re: #50 Kragar

I guess there’s still hope that wingnut overreach will result in a backlash. It seems like the GOP is getting most insane in states that are trending blue (like North Carolina). Well, they’re trending blue for a reason, and all those people who pulled the lever for Obama in 2008 need to start fighting back. Maybe this is the start.

111 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:32:59pm

re: #57 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Both you and Ann Coulter are ignoring the crime demographic reality that crimes that are committed at the same or higher rate among the white population— like drug use— result in far fewer proportional arrests.

For crimes that are committed at the same rate, blacks are arrested far, far more often than whites.

This policy is more of that systemic racism. Yes, it’s also class-ism, but in the US, that’s bound up in racism.

That would seem to run on preexisting assumptions, though. How are crimes to be measured save through police reports and arrests?

112 Ian G.  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:33:29pm

re: #82 Kragar

If Rome crucifies a few Judaism-propagandizing preachers, that’ll quiet the rest of them down.

Nice work, Bryan. You’re thinking along the same lines as the imperial occupiers who executed your Lord and Savior.

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:34:08pm

re: #82 Kragar

oh good freakin grief….
Hey Fischer! How about they do the same to evangelical dominionist hypocrites as well?

114 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:34:26pm
115 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:34:29pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

That would seem to run on preexisting assumptions, though. How are crimes to be measured save through police reports and arrests?

You need to trade in that shovel for a backhoe.

116 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:35:16pm

Enjoyed the news about that wolf in sheep’s clothing Pat McCrory since I live in NC. The thing is, will people remember what the Gen Assembly is doing next year and replace some of those dinosaur Rs w/good Democrats?

Meanwhile, get ready for Pres Obama to get another nickname, The Gay President. But it’s good news while R heads explode. I love when that happens.

Pentagon announces same-sex spouse benefits for military couples

usnews.nbcnews.com

117 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:37:59pm

re: #88 celticdragon

Damned drum sand does it every time. Who needs a thumper when you have to walk on that stuff?

Did you ever notice the lack of hippies on Arrakis? One drum circle and they became worm food.
O_o

119 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:42:38pm

re: #94 ObserverArt

Phhht! Just the cost of freedom. Man up.

/x3

And never forget the classic - “What does it matter if they have nothing to hide or aren’t doing anything wrong.”

Exactly the folks I’d like to see get rousted suddenly by 5-6 law enforcement officers, dragged off to an interrogation room, and asked to confess repeatedly to something they know nothing about. And have their proclamations of innocence scoffed at and treated as dodging.

And then just pushed back out on the street 4-5 hours later with no apology, explanation, or taxi fare home. And have the police administration and court system just brush off them off afterwards.

That, and probably only that, might make them reevaluate how lightly they view due process and mutual respect.

120 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:44:43pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

That would seem to run on preexisting assumptions, though. How are crimes to be measured save through police reports and arrests?

Seriously? You’re just now discovering the field of criminology?

Anonymous self-reporting is more accurate, as is inference from criminal interviews and tracking of the money from the drug trade. We have a rough knowledge of the money flowing to the pot and heroin dealers in Portland, for example, and we know roughly the money flowing to the pot and heroin dealers in South Side Chicago.

Obviously, police reports and arrests are not a good metric, unless you think there’s equal investigation into all areas of society. You can’t simultaneously think that the cops preferentially choose where to search and that the cops represent an evenly distributed investigative presence showing where there’s more or less crime to be found by the frequency of arrests in those population. Those two positions are contradictory.

121 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:44:45pm

re: #100 celticdragon

Funny how they have no problem with us Scottish Americans having Highland Games and wearing shirts like “What Would Wallace Do?” to support Scottish independence, or Greek festivals, Polish festivals, St Paddy Day parades and the like…but mention diversity that isn’t European in provenance and they go apeshit and complain about “hyphenated Americans” and “whiny special interest victim minority groups”.

Though if you did back into the 1850-1880s history you can find that exact sort of crap being aimed at the Scots, Irish, and Germans, etc. It’s just been shifting targets slightly as the immigrant group demographics change.

122 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:46:24pm

re: #89 Kragar

GOP Congressman Argues Against Multiculturalism: ‘There’s Only One Race Here, It’s The American Race’

Then lets make sure they have all the tools to quickly and efficiently become productive citizens with the same access to voting, healthcare and other benefits that all Americans are entitled to.

That “American race” which the founders practically exterminated, right?

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:47:53pm

re: #122 efuseakay

That “American race” which the founders practically exterminated, right?

They’re busy winning their continent back one casino at a time.
//

124 GeneJockey  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 12:54:42pm

re: #120 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Seriously? You’re just now discovering the field of criminology?

Anonymous self-reporting is more accurate, as is inference from criminal interviews and tracking of the money from the drug trade. We have a rough knowledge of the money flowing to the pot and heroin dealers in Portland, for example, and we know roughly the money flowing to the pot and heroin dealers in South Side Chicago.

Obviously, police reports and arrests are not a good metric, unless you think there’s equal investigation into all areas of society. You can’t simultaneously think that the cops preferentially choose where to search and that the cops represent an evenly distributed investigative presence showing where there’s more or less crime to be found by the frequency of arrests in those population. Those two positions are contradictory.

This.

125 ObserverArt  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 1:24:56pm

Strange that some would have no problem with stop and frisk but ask them for some actual controls over guns and whoa now, “you are infringing on my rights.”

And the tie that binds is they are worried about crime in certain areas due to statistics. Yet, the guns behind many of the same crimes have no statistics because “freedoms!” Maybe some stop and search at gun shows and dealers would you know, help out a bit.

And while we are dealing with things like statistics to help prevent crime. Maybe the police should stop by homes of known spouse or child abusers or relatives and family touched by them. After all, they are criminals or in an atmosphere that breeds that type of dangerous activity. Have them indicated on the neighborhood patrol logs and the cops can drop in for some coffee and search.

How far can this line go???

126 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 2:52:27pm

re: #13 jaunte

Rand Paul: “You people are stupid enough to believe me.”

“You fucked up…you trusted us!”

127 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 2:53:45pm

re: #28 Bulworth

I wonder, does Ann live in NYC?

She’s a West Coaster, IIRC…Dark doesn’t live in NYC either, he’s in Chicagoland.


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