Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) Invites Missouri Rodeo Clown to Perform His Racist Act in Texas

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This is the week the right wing said, “We’re all rodeo clowns now.”

Capped off by Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas): Stockman Invites Missouri Rodeo Clown to Perform in Texas | Congressman Steve Stockman.

Yes, this is your modern Republican Party, denying the existence of racism in their ranks as they simultaneously excuse and enable it.

Do I really need to explain why symbolically humiliating and lynching Barack Obama in front of a cheering white crowd in Missouri is an act with deeply racist implications? Really?

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Appalling Incident at Missouri State Fair: ‘Anyone Want to See Obama Run Down by a Bull?’

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653 comments
1 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:13:40pm

This is the same asshat who invited Ted Nugent to the State of the Union. Complete embarrassment.

2 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:17:54pm

“Ich bin ein Rodeo Clown!”

3 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:19:42pm

re: #2 Kragar

“Ich bin ein Rodeo Clown!”

Jerkkalo

4 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:21:26pm

At least Stockman hasn’t invited this rodeo clown to perform in Congress (yet).

5 nines09  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:23:45pm

They’re all Bozos on that bus.

6 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:24:18pm

Stockman’s back after a brief 2 years stint back in the 90s, when his only notable moment was making an ass out of himself by accusing the Clinton administration of raiding the Branch Davidian compound to promote gun control, published within days of the OKC bombing.

His latest stint basically is due to the last round of the Texas GOP’s stacking of the electoral deck, creating a new district that was so red that Stockman won by virtue of being the guy with the loosest connection to reality.

7 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:25:00pm

RINGLING BROS. AND BARNUM & BAILEY CLOWN COLLEGE

Glenn Beck can probably get tenure. He already has a flippin’ sweet blackboard.

8 simoom  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:25:18pm

Limbaugh:

mediaite.com

“This is no different than what happened in all those countries that had the cartoons of the prophet and militant Muslims had a cow over it, went nuts. It’s exactly what’s happening here.”

Fox’s Fox & Friends and The Five were also pro rodeo-clown-minstrel-show. My impression is that this story actually hasn’t generated nearly as much outrage & coverage on the Left as it has on the Right.

[edit: current tally of partisan outlet coverage listed on memeorandum:

Left: 5 articles
Right: 16 articles
Unaligned: 4 articles ]

9 Ace-o-aces  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:30:29pm

From Stockman’s website:

“Disagreeing with speech is one thing. Banning it and ordering citizens into reeducation classes for mocking a liberal leader is another,” said Stockman.

I’m fairly sure that didn’t happen…..

10 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:30:43pm

cartoons of the prophet

well i tend to suppose anybody asking a rodeo crowd if they want to see jesus gored by a bull might be subject to some disapproval

11 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:31:07pm

Well, Stockman misses the point. It wasn’t the clown in the Obama mask and cowboy hat (which I thought was kind of funny. Obama luring a Brangus bull away from a rider to prevent the unseated guy from getting stomped into a bloody stain would be great!).

It was the announcer egging on the crowd to root for the bull to injure Obama’s effigy that went over the top. *That’s* indefensible.

Stockman is a twinkie.

12 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:31:30pm
13 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:31:33pm

The Republican Party is tacking even farther to starboard after Obama’s re-election.

14 Lidane  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:32:06pm

For all the derp and fail here in Texas, we haven’t gotten to the governor’s race yet.

Start investing in popcorn now, kids. The derp around here is gonna get wild, especially if Wendy Davis throws her sneakers into the ring.

15 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:34:04pm

re: #12 Gus

That’s really funny, coming from a guy whose party is responsible for just about all of the world-class stupidity in US politics.

16 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:34:05pm

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17 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:36:35pm

re: #14 Lidane

For all the derp and fail here in Texas, we haven’t gotten to the governor’s race yet.

Start investing in popcorn now, kids. The derp around here is gonna get wild, especially if Wendy Davis throws her sneakers into the ring.

Well, Wheels has probably got the R nomination in the bag with his $20 million war chest. If I were Wendy, I’d keep my powder dry for another cycle.

18 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:38:17pm

Creationist Explains Why Dragons Are Actually Real Creatures

19 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:38:28pm

re: #15 EPR-radar

That’s really funny, coming from a guy whose party is responsible for just about all of the world-class stupidity in US politics.

He keeps trying.

20 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:38:54pm

Dumb wingnut defends using Fake Quote because “the sentiment is true.”

21 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:39:45pm

DERP

22 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:40:39pm

DERPTY DERP

23 Lidane  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:40:59pm

re: #17 austin_blue

Well, Wheels has probably got the R nomination in the bag with his $20 million war chest. If I were Wendy, I’d keep my powder dry for another cycle.

I got a fundraising email today from the TX Dems telling me that Debbie Wasserman Shultz is in town soon and it seems like they’re trying to get Davis in the race. I like her. I just don’t know what to think about her running. I mean, I’ll vote for her or for whoever is the Dem nominee, but at the same time I don’t want the whole governor’s race to be about abortion, since that’s what Wheels and the rest of the GOP would do if she got the nod.

I’d personally had my heart set on Julian Castro running, since they had him keynote the 2012 DNC and he’s been working to raise his profile lately. We’ll see.

24 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:41:11pm

DERPTY DERPTY DEEDLY DERPTY DOO!

25 Belafon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:42:02pm

re: #16 engineer cat

I once fixed a c++ class by replacing all of the references to a global variable by adding a member variable (if I have to use member variables, and I don’t, I make sure as few classes know they are global as possible). I couldn’t couldn’t completely remove the global at that time (the code was 10+ years old and I’d only been at the company a year) but in the code review I explained to everyone what I had done. The next time someone made a change, they referred to the global variable again, even though the member variable was used one line up.

26 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:42:20pm

re: #21 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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Prove it, asswipe. We await the pictures and/or video.

27 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:42:49pm
28 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:43:16pm

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Dumb wingnut defends using Fake Quote because “the sentiment is true truthiness.”

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29 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:44:58pm

re: #24 Vicious Babushka

DERPTY DERPTY DEEDLY DERPTY DOO!

[Embedded content] “Gays are the new KKK, Christians are the new blacks.”

Bullshit. I’ve been to Christian dances around here.

30 Belafon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:45:16pm

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

I like the fact that the quote is from an anarchist environmentalist.

31 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:46:00pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

The total lack of a body count for persecuted Christians in the US never seems to stop these clowns from having their fantasies.

32 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:52:39pm

re: #30 Belafon

I like the fact that the quote is from an anarchist environmentalist.

Someone who scrambles the record of the numbered bands before he releases the birds?

33 Belafon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:52:40pm

re: #31 EPR-radar

Note that back a couple thousand years ago, when Christians were actually being persecuted, they considered it the price of being a Christian. Peter would have slappd these people around. Paul would have done much worse.

34 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:54:41pm

re: #33 Belafon

Note that back a couple thousand years ago, when Christians were actually being persecuted, they considered it the price of being a Christian.

They totally crave the victimness of the Holocaust, such a shame it was wasted on those Jesus-denying Juice.

35 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:55:25pm

re: #33 Belafon

Note that back a couple thousand years ago, when Christians were actually being persecuted, they considered it the price of being a Christian. Peter would have slappd these people around. Paul would have done much worse.

Even today, there are parts of the world where Christians face real persecution. The US is not one of these places.

36 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:56:51pm

Wingnuts are going to be so pissed when the 1st anniversary of BENGHAZI!!!11!!! rolls around and the media just talks about that thing that happened with those Towers.

37 b.d.  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 6:59:30pm

Never before have I so rooted for the bull.

38 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:01:44pm
39 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:05:34pm

WHAT AN ASSHAT.

40 jaunte  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:07:04pm

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

You have to work pretty hard to be dumber than Gohmert.

41 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:09:42pm
42 BongCrodny  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:11:55pm

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

WHAT AN ASSHAT.

Liberals are offended by rodeo clowns because rodeo clowns perform useful work. — Rep. Steve Stockman

What’s that favorability rating for the U.S. Congress again, Rep. Stockman?

43 jaunte  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:12:41pm
44 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:14:27pm

Stalkers are still Tweeting at me. I only know about it when somebody I haven’t blocked joins the conversation.

45 jaunte  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:15:40pm

Bakersfield Caravan:

Thousands of immigration rights advocates and their allies planned to converge on Bakersfield Wednesday to demand action from lawmakers.

Billed as the largest car and bus caravan in California history, supporters of immigration reform from more than 100 cities were heading to U.S. Congressman Kevin McCarthy’s district.

Immigration reform supporters gather at Dodger Stadium for caravan to Bakersfield.

McCarthy represents California’s 23rd congressional district, including most of Bakersfield as well as the Antelope Valley.

He is the third-ranking Republican in the U.S. House of Representatives, and has served as the Majority Whip since 2011.

ktla.com

46 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:16:58pm

re: #42 BongCrodny

What’s that favorability rating for the U.S. Congress again, Rep. Stockman?

14 percent.

47 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:17:17pm

Volbeat - Still Counting

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48 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:18:57pm

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

WHAT AN ASSHAT.

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Unlike this fuckwit, who works 3 days of the week and, oh yeah, is on holiday while this nation sits without either a budget or any appropriation bills for the rest of the fucking year. And won’t be back at the job until just days before the government shuts down.

49 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:22:49pm

re: #46 Gus

14 percent.

On a flipping prayer it’s 14 percent…

50 simoom  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:23:38pm

I saw GG retweeted this:

Following the paragraph quoted on Slashdot back to it’s source makes me wonder if Greenwald did:

US and Germany to enter no-spying agreement, German government says

The no-spying agreement talks were announced as part of a progress report on an eight-point program proposed by German Chancellor Angela Merkel in July with measures to better protect the privacy of German citizens. The plan was drafted “due to the current discussions about the work of the intelligence services,” the German government said.

In the progress report, the German government found that U.S. intelligence services comply with German law. Also, the operators of large German Internet exchanges and the federal government did not find any evidence that the U.S. spies on Germans, the government said.

…

Despite the criticism of government surveillance programs, Merkel said people should not forget that intelligence agencies do important work to protect people in Germany as well as abroad. German information, for instance, can prevent attacks on U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, while American data in turn can be used to protect the lives of German soldiers, she said.

So keep up the intelligence cooperation, but enter into a no surveillance pact? Sounds like the same sort of arrangement the US has with the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

51 Carlos Diggler  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:25:30pm

Multiple Epic Ironies:

This is from the Facebook Page to support the Rodeo Clown.

People have made fun of their leaders since the begining of time. The way this has gotten out of control, all because Barry Soetoro is half black is disgusting and all the liberal left want to make it a race issue. Way to go Claire Mcaskill and all you other liberal pukes for propagating race division in this country. I’m going to get an Soetoro/Obama mask, and a cowboy hat, place it in my yard in support of Tuffy. GO MRCA!!

52 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:25:34pm

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

You can report tweets like those, here:

support.twitter.com

Work through the screens, and you can report every individual abusive tweet. I recommend doing it, because Twitter does actually pay attention to these reports.

53 jaunte  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:28:21pm
54 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:28:44pm

re: #49 Dancing along the light of day

On a flipping prayer it’s 14 percent…

I don’t know. I went on something called Google and found this site called Gallup and they said it was at 14 percent.

55 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:29:18pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

You can report tweets like those, here:

support.twitter.com

Work through the screens, and you can report every individual abusive tweet. I recommend doing it, because Twitter does actually pay attention to these reports.

I see that idiot who is spoofing Gus still hasn’t been suspended.

56 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:31:04pm

Response to Today’s Bradley Manning Statement

…But Mr. Manning’s options have run out. The only currency this military court will take is Bradley Manning’s humiliation. In light of this, Mr. Manning’s forced decision to apologise to the US government in the hope of shaving a decade or more off his sentence must be regarded with compassion and understanding…

57 Lancelot Link  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:34:05pm

re: #56 Gus

Well, that’s certainly magnanimous of them, to show so much compassion to their tool.

58 jaunte  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:34:56pm

re: #56 Gus

WikiTears.

59 sagehen  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:37:05pm

All the wingers supporting the rodeo clown… does anybody have the time and the google-fu to see what any of them might have had to say about the Dixie Chicks back when? I’m pretty sure they weren’t so supportive of free expression on that occasion.

60 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:37:30pm

re: #56 Gus

Response to Today’s Bradley Manning Statement

…But Mr. Manning’s options have run out. The only currency this military court will take is Bradley Manning’s humiliation. In light of this, Mr. Manning’s forced decision to apologise to the US government in the hope of shaving a decade or more off his sentence must be regarded with compassion and understanding…

“Forced decision”? Even if you believe that he was told he’d get leniency on his sentence if he apologized, that was his choice. Just as he made the choice to violate the oath he took and the trust put in him by his superiors by breaking the law. Watch enough trials and you see plenty of “apologies” that come just before the judge hands down the sentence.

61 simoom  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:38:05pm

Two more members of PFF’s board of directors weighing in on Manning (Cusack and Ellsberg):

62 bratwurst  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:38:17pm

I am in the middle of a rare driving trip…and after spending several hours listening to AM talk radio in a pretty rural part of the country, I can report that the vast majority of hosts and callers DO NOT see any problem with this OR the way Oprah was treated in Switzerland.

If you want a bit of good news: small town stations are not any more successful selling ad time during Limbaugh’s show than the Cumulus chain. Breaks are padded out with PSA’s, hunting reports and even “comedy bits” that Rush likely offers stations scrambling to fill unsold time.

63 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:39:19pm

Colloidal silver for smurfs!!!

64 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:40:21pm

re: #61 simoom

Two more members of PFF’s board of directors weighing in on manning (Cusak and Ellsberg):

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So farcical.

65 jaunte  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:41:20pm

Rodeo Clown:

Rep. Stockman disagrees, alleging that progressive voices are trying to create a “climate of fear.”

“Liberals want to bronco bust dissent. But Texans value speech, even if it’s speech they don’t agree with,” Stockman said in a written statement. “From Molly Ivins to Louie Gohmert and every opinion between Texans value free and open political speech. I’m sure any rodeo in Texas would be proud to have performers.”
khou.com

Dixie Chicks:

Houston country station KILT pulled the band’s records from its playlist — at least temporarily — after 77 percent of people polled on its Web site said they supported the move.

“We’ve got them off the air for right now,” said Jeff Garrison, program director at KILT, which is owned by Viacom’s Infinity Broadcasting Corp.

“People are shocked. They cannot believe Texas’ own have attacked the state and the president,” Garrison said.
cnn.com

66 theheat  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:42:07pm

If anyone had visited the I support “The Clown” Facebook page, they’d see gems like this. Nope, not racist at all.

It is ok to poke fun of any other politician, but NOT Obongo!

And the ever-paranoid flyover country citizens need to weigh in with bonus exclamation points and shit punctuation.

[J]ust goes to show how much control he has over our country! Don’t say or do anything that might offend him! Well what about all the stuff he and his wife and advisers have said that offend the people that are Proud Americans! nobody seems to do anything about that! But thats right they have freedom of speech! But they are trying in every way to take ours away from us!

And no cowpoke discussion would be complete without alluding to the ever-so-scary City Folk. You know, the ones that don’t understand Real America™.

just because the race card got thrown by a shit starting city slicker it makes national headlines and now everyone involved with the state of missorri wants to kiss ass

Because everything is controlled by the liberal media.

Didn’t we have a thing called “Free Speech” in this country? I guess we don’t if it goes against the “ideals” of the liberal media!

There were a few postings with the tinfoil hat commas,,,,,between,,,words, but those are so the norm with these people they don’t raise an eyebrow.

67 Kragar  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:46:02pm

re: #61 simoom

After some consideration…

68 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:46:21pm

re: #61 simoom

Two more members of PFF’s board of directors weighing in on manning (Cusak and Ellsberg):

twitter.com

No offense to Ellsberg, who I salute for releasing the Pentagon Papers, but the only reason he’s not occupying a cell at Leavenworth these days is because of gross incompetence on the part of the government prosecutors and illegal actions by the FBI. He was never acquitted of the charges against him or pardoned for them, simply had the charges dropped because the Nixon administration’s actions were putting the mafia to shame at the time.

69 Belafon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:46:35pm

re: #66 theheat

You have the right to all the speech you want. There’s just no guarantee that you must get paid after doing it.

70 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:47:47pm
During a recent show in Singapore during Megadeth’s “Th1rt3en World Tour,” Mustaine took to the mic from the stage to discuss his beliefs about some of the recent gun violence in America.

“Back in my country, my president,” Mustaine begins and then pretends to gag himself with his finger, “is trying to pass a gun ban so he’s staging all of these murders. The ‘Fast and Furious’ thing down at the border. And Aurora, Colorado, all the people that were killed there. And now, the beautiful people at the Sikh temple.”

Mustaine went on to say, “I don’t know where I’m going to live if America keeps going the way it’s going because it looks like it’s turning into Nazi America.”

Youtube Video

71 Lidane  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:51:05pm

Mental health break:

72 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:51:44pm

re: #71 Lidane

Mental health break:

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The third one seems to being planning something.

73 jaunte  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:51:48pm

re: #70 Amory Blaine

He can join Nugent on the “Dead or In Jail Tour.”

74 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:53:26pm

It is ok to poke fun of any other politician, but NOT

nobody had poked fun at obama ever before

nobody ever made fun of him or criticized him in any way

the rodeo clown incident was the first time anybody ever said a thing against him

75 Ming  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:54:16pm

I’m a 10-year pesca-vegetarian and I try to keep track of cruelty to animals, and some rodeo activities are cruel indeed, like wrapping something around the genitals to make the bull dance. I would conjecture that the “rodeo demographic” is predominantly red-state. Anyway, this is only a personal comment, but I’m pretty disgusted to contemplate the people who actually go to these rodeos.

76 Lidane  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:55:39pm
77 theheat  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 7:57:30pm

re: #75 Ming

Are you familiar with the Jordan Valley Big Loop? The rodeo promoters and supporters actually put out wanted posters of suspected animal rights activists to ban from attending, and the local law enforcement got in on the deal. This year one one of the activists that did make it inside the rodeo with a video camera was assaulted and bodily removed. Litigation is pending.

79 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 8:10:41pm

re: #71 Lidane

Mental health break:

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I have this urge to put tiny little squashes on the top of their heads. Or maybe empty tiny creamer cups like hats.

80 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 8:26:56pm

re: #78 Kragar

This is something I am happy about.

Are these criminal charges? Like ones that will get you sent to Massachusetts jail?

81 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 8:30:08pm

re: #80 ProTARDISLiberal

This is something I am happy about.

Are these criminal charges? Like ones that will get you sent to Massachusetts jail?

Nah, civil. Was looking for specifics earlier.

82 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 8:34:11pm
83 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:11:58pm
84 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:18:18pm

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85 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:21:55pm

After the Republicans lose the 2016 election because once again they lost 80% minorities and 55% of women, they will still be confused about why. These people are the worst combination imaginable: stupid and mean.

86 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:27:10pm
87 Carlos Diggler  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:46:49pm

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88 Carlos Diggler  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:53:47pm

I AM THREAD DESTROYER OF THREADS KILL THREADS ARE BLONG TO US

89 Gus  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:54:22pm
90 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 10:23:30pm

Lynchings in Missouri, 1803-1981

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91 Egregious Philbin  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 10:31:12pm

Well, he locked up the dumba$$ white trash vote.

Too bad he can’t get the other 93%…..

This party left me, let the rabble have it.

92 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 12:21:27am

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93 freetoken  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 12:42:55am

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94 freetoken  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 12:47:03am

That was Tito Rodriguez (senior.) I looked for his version of “Sun Sun Babae” but I couldn’t find it, given the Junior also recorded it and Junior dominates all the searches. Junior’s recording is much inferior, IMO.

95 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 12:48:43am

re: #93 freetoken

salsa vibraphone - i like it!

1950s - 1970s - but i couldn’t tell you who it is

96 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 12:54:07am

re: #78 Kragar

Good.

The only downside? Now we’re really never gonna hear the end of the ZOMG! WE’RE BEING PERSECUTED BY TEH GHEYZ!!1! whining.

97 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 1:48:31am

I was posting earlier that the Rodeo Clown had nothing to worry about, he could more than make up his lost income playing for private racist rodeos…American political discourse has become such a bad parody of itself…

98 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 2:58:29am

That’s funny. I just knew the GOP was going to end up full of racist rodeo clowns when McCain introduced Sarah Palin as his running mate. She’s the Queen of this Teabagger Rodeo called a political party.

99 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 3:16:19am

Who turned off summer???

100 freetoken  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 3:18:12am

re: #99 Varek Raith

Who turned off summer???

GOREBULL WARMING IS A HOAX!!

101 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 3:22:15am

re: #99 Varek Raith

Who turned off summer???

Well, it’s a balmy 61 deg here in NC this morning. Supposed to be a high of 70 tomorrow and 69 on Sat, only 20+ degs lower than normal. We’ve had warmer days in October in the past, for chrissakes.

102 freetoken  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 3:27:18am

Murfreesboro - what is it about that place?


Rutherford County commissioner’s prayer at school dedication renews debate

A Christian prayer at the recent dedication of Stewarts Creek High School again has raised questions about prayer in schools and at public meetings.

County Commissioner Steve Sandlin, who spoke at the dedication, is bragging about his prayer, but Charles C. Haynes, a First Amendment scholar in Washington, D.C., said the prayer is a violation of current law.

“It’s important to recognize that religious freedom is there to make sure that religion is free from government entanglement or government imposition of religion,” Haynes said.

County school officials said they did not include a prayer in the dedication ceremonies and did not call for a prayer.

The U.S. Supreme Court in 1962 ruled that school officials could not force students to recite a mandatory school prayer.

[…]

State Rep. Mike Sparks also supports Sandlin’s prayer.

“I applaud Commissioner Sandlin for praying over those students and praying over the school,” said Sparks, a Republican from Smyrna. “I think we need more of it this day. I could tell the people were very receptive. The applause was pretty strong.”

[…]

103 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 3:37:43am

House GOP’s New Gambit: Tie Obamacare To The Debt Limit
It’s the law of the land, piss off GOP.

104 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 3:39:27am

Blue Oyster Cult Founder Allen Lanier Dead at 66

ultimateclassicrock.com

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105 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 3:41:28am

re: #103 Varek Raith

House GOP’s New Gambit: Tie Obamacare To The Debt Limit
It’s the law of the land, piss off GOP.

these people seem to want to apply the Hastert Rule to everything: if a majority of GOP congressmen are against it, it is not recognized as the law of the land…

106 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 3:45:51am

re: #105 Sol Berdinowitz

these people seem to want to apply the Hastert Rule to everything: if a majority of GOP congressmen are against it, it is not recognized as the law of the land…

Heh. As I posted downstairs on this subject, President Obama should have the Treasury mint up a $1 trillion platinum coin, and have them engrave Ronald Reagan’s face on it.

The poo-flinging would be epic.

107 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 3:53:08am

re: #103 Varek Raith

They will wreak as much havoc as they can, but they are harming people, perhaps even killing some, in the process. In NC, they’re diddling around with a new program called “NC Fast” which digitizes the food stamp process, and some have been waiting months now to get assistance. Their incompetence is depriving people of the food assistance for which they qualify and food banks are overloaded. My g-son and g-grandson get FS, and haven’t received them since June 15, even though they are eligible and have been recertified. Additionally, the Rs have refused to receive the Fed funding to jump-start Obamacare in NC. Blue Cross/Blue Shield is doing some heavy advertising here to have people sign up for coverage.

108 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 4:17:32am

Good morning!

Wingnuts still Derping over Teh Fake Quotez.
NO REASON TO FACT CHECK IT!!!11!!!!!
This is why we can’t have nice things.

109 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 4:18:35am

re: #107 Justanotherhuman

I wonder if one of the reasons (besides cowardice and fear of tea party loons) that our elected officials are having fewer town halls this summer is so they don’t have to hear from folks like you and me.

I’m sorry about your grandson and his son, my daughter has 3 kids in Ohio, their benefits were cut earlier in the year.

I’m in GA, the sequester seems to have been another nail in the coffin of what could have been a wonderful program for young adults with autism and other similar disabilities. My son was the perfect candidate for all this but with our idiot Governor slashing the tax base there is less state money coming in. That in turn effects federal dollars. Throw in the sequester and all the delays and moving the program from agency to agency and you get a mess. And people who need help not getting it. The school my son was supposed to go to was rebuilt with stimulus money and staffed with great people. It’s half empty now. The same people who cut the hell out of this program will then crow what a waste of money it is to even try to help”those people” and bitch about the money spent to rebuild this school(which was previously not livable- condemned by the health dept).

That seems to be the M.O. here, break it all to hell and back and then get on the teevee, radio and run various commercials and say, “See? It’s Broken!!” And then blame liberals, Democrats, poor and disabled people, minorities, whoever suits their purposes. Bastards.

110 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 4:18:48am

re: #106 Dr Lizardo

Heh. As I posted downstairs on this subject, President Obama should have the Treasury mint up a $1 trillion platinum coin, and have them engrave Ronald Reagan’s face on it.

The poo-flinging would be epic.

They would insist that the image on the coin does not at all resemble the Ronald Reagan that they revere and worship, and refuse to accept it as legal tender…

111 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 4:26:50am

re: #109 A Mom Anon

I’m just surprised more people aren’t taking to the streets to protest these asswipes. Instead, too many prefer to blame everything on the Black guy, and Black people in general, because some whites will cut off their noses to spite their faces rather than join in with anyone outside their own klan.

It’s total insanity. This county is 95% white, with a lot of poor people, and they keep electing those clowns. It’s the same scenario all over NC. I can’t even excuse people in Charlotte, because they elected Pat McCrory to 7 terms as mayor, buying his Chamber of Commerce bullshit, and then elected him as governor.

112 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 4:27:42am

BP Attacks Oil Spill Victims, Tries To Hide Criminal Past

In recent corporate public relations attempts, BP has tried to shift the public’s focus from its corporate wrongdoing and outright criminal behavior to criticizing BP’s victims and their legal representatives. According to a privileged, plaintiff’s attorney work document, BP has dumped over $500 million into PR, attacking “judges, special masters, and claimants’ lawyers - trying to change the focus from its tragic track record of ignoring safety and deepwater despair.”

113 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 4:34:48am

re: #112 Varek Raith

Instead of spending that 500 million to, oh, you know, CLEAN UP THEIR FUCKING MESS. My husband read that to me last night and was freaked out by it. They’re just pissed they had to spend even ONE dollar on cleaning up after themselves. I love their commercials featuring American employees who live in the Gulf region talking about how wonderful it all is and come on down to the Gulf for vacation. Oh. Hell. No. God only knows what’s in that water down there.

Seriously, these fucking corporations, or rather the psychopaths who run them, will not be happy until the entire planet is a smoking, barren ruin. I hope they enjoy their pile of money then, because they’re going to have to eat it to survive. The rest of us will be dead or dying.

114 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 4:42:06am

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

People are scared and the propaganda has worked to turn neighbor against neighbor. I really do not know how bad it is going to have to get before the morons realize they’ve been had and it’s time to stop blaming liberals for everything. We’re not a sane country right now, and it’s somewhat by design. If we were smart, we’d be going after media outlets and their sponsors with our “take it to the streets” actions first. We’re woefully misinformed or uninformed and it’s mostly because our media totally sucks. If the media didn’t host these fools and spout their idiocy and let them run their mouths unchallenged we wouldn’t have half the bullshit circulating around that we do. I’m in Atlanta, the tea party here farts and it’s all over the news. Every “action” of theirs, even if only 5 people show up is covered on every broadcast all day.

Knowledge is the coin of the realm. Without it, we aren’t going to be able to make wise choices, as we see all around us. Throw in fear with a lack of knowledge and it’s only a matter of time before things get really ugly.

115 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 4:56:14am

I haz a sad. :(

116 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:05:37am
117 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:11:24am

I think my new motto is “I’m Going to Bake Something, Before I Break Something”. Sigh. I’m tired of people being assholes to each other, just because they can. Freedumb, yay. Go Humans.

118 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:14:24am

If you are going to take a stand for or against something, be perpared to face the consequences. That applies to the Dixie Chicks as well as to the Rodeo Clown.

If you are not prepared to face the consequences, be prepared not to be taken seriously…

119 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:14:44am

re: #117 A Mom Anon

I think my new motto is “I’m Going to Bake Something, Before I Break Something”. Sigh. I’m tired of people being assholes to each other, just because they can. Freedumb, yay. Go Humans.

Baking something always puts me into a good mood.

Last night I made ciabatta. It didn’t come out exactly the way I wanted (did not have lots of big, fluffy holes in the bread) but OH NOM NOM.

120 freetoken  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:17:55am

Let there be cake.

121 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:19:30am
122 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:22:21am

Yeah, Newt, because the “rising stars” plan has worked so well for the GOPers.

GOP pushes rising stars amid calls for solutions

bigstory.ap.org

It appears they have abandoned the blahs.

123 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:35:41am

re: #118 Sol Berdinowitz

Well, yes. Protesting only goes so far, and usually the police protect the corporations and money and then pepper spray, shoot beanbags(and sometimes real bullets) at and beat up and arrest the citizens protesting. Organization and staying on message is key. Giant puppets, drum circles and Free Tibet(or Mumia, or The Whales or whatever) signs don’t have a place in this if a movement wants to be taken seriously and accomplish anything. You can’t control everything, but this “leaderless movement” bullshit that sunk Occupy shouldn’t even be an option on the table. It goes beyond marching in the streets. There’s much more to a movement of citizens than protesting, hell, that’s the LEAST we can do.

124 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:36:50am

re: #122 Justanotherhuman

Whatever happened to their Young Guns? Bwahahaha…the youngest of whom was a 40 something.

125 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:37:23am

re: #120 freetoken

And cookies. And Pie!

126 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:43:16am

re: #125 A Mom Anon

And cookies. And Pie!

I will always upding pie!

127 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:46:42am

Ok, he didn’t need to do that. But I think there is a tad over reaction to all of this. The NAACP wants the clown investigated. Seriously LOL.

Please its time to grow up. It was a clown wearing a mask. And I’ve watched it a couple times and have yet to see anything racist.

Please point it out to me, but here is a hint. Criticizing or making fun of Obama is not racist. Its just criticism and mockery.

128 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:48:41am
129 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:53:09am

The cuckoos have planted a troll egg in the hatchling creche apparently.

130 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:54:29am

Sorry to spoil your echo chamber. But do you have a point?

131 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:58:02am

re: #130 Wrecking all

Sorry to spoil your echo chamber. But do you have a point?

Poor nickname choice. Lack of forum etiquette. And comments definitely not designed to lead to a potentially informative exchange of information.

So, you either have considerable ignorance about how to handle yourself in a forum community, or you are purposefully acting in a rude and obnoxious manner. Which is it?

132 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 5:59:38am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

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Yawn. Another day, another Greenwaldism.

133 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:00:15am

re: #117 A Mom Anon

I think my new motto is “I’m Going to Bake Something, Before I Break Something”. Sigh. I’m tired of people being assholes to each other, just because they can. Freedumb, yay. Go Humans.

Biscuit therapy.

134 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:03:57am

re: #127 Wrecking all

Have black men been ridden down and killed in this country by those that hated them and their place in politics— basically, hated that those black men felt themselves their equals?

135 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:05:27am

re: #103 Varek Raith

House GOP’s New Gambit: Tie Obamacare To The Debt Limit
It’s the law of the land, piss off GOP.

Considering that the costs to repeal would add to the debt, that would score poorly in the CBO scoring methodology. And given that the annual deficits have been declining significantly, the debt is less of a problem than the fact that the GOP is trying to roll back the improvements to access in health care enacted under the PPACA. That includes ending the preexisting conditions limitations and extending dependent care through age 26. That adds insurance coverage to millions of people.

Will some people see higher premiums? Yes, but we’re seeing higher premiums every year even without any federal changes.

Some of the states with the biggest claimed jumps in premiums had the least comprehensive coverage plans in the nation and they’re now being brought up to standards found elsewhere. With the higher premiums comes far greater coverage, including all kinds of preventative care.

At the same time, the naysayers are busy claiming that everyone will pay these higher premiums. That ignores that the law’s set up with a credit that applies to persons with up to 400% of income above the poverty line. That would reduce the actual premiums paid by the person into something quite manageable and affordable.

The GOP would love to sabotage all this.

At the same time, there’s a few rumblings that the GOP needs to do something more than attempt yet more repeal votes (40+ and counting). There’s some reports claiming that they’re going to come up with an Obamacare alternative bill, but until it’s made public, consider that vaporware (and vapidware at that). The GOP has spent all its capital on repeal, and had they attempted to engage in constructive criticism to improve defective portions of the law and streamline the process to get more people under coverage, they’d have more credibility. But Cantor, Boehner, and the gang all have staked their position to repeal. A pivot now would signify failure is now complete.

136 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:06:16am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

Dubious is the quality of Greenwald’s reporting, which has an echo chamber all its own.

137 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:07:53am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

Speaking of GG, there’s this, which would make GG’s outrage meter go to eleventy if it were taking place in New York and not Rio, in his country of residence. But I’m just a drooling jingocist.

138 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:09:52am

re: #130 Wrecking all

Sorry to spoil your echo chamber. But do you have a point?

Yes, that you presented here as a concern troll. And now with this post confirmed that you are a snotty little wanker to boot.

139 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:13:23am

re: #137 Ian G.

Speaking of GG, there’s this, which would make GG’s outrage meter go to eleventy if it were taking place in New York and not Rio, in his country of residence. But I’m just a drooling jingocist.

Hey now, that’s GG’s paradise. He gets to shut all that out.

140 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:13:40am

re: #85 moderatelyradicalliberal

After the Republicans lose the 2016 election because once again they lost 80% minorities and 55% of women, they will still be confused about why. These people are the worst combination imaginable: stupid and mean.

On CARM, a right wing “Christian” website, someone posted

Maybe it’s time we had a “National Say the ‘N-Word’ Day” just to **** off the PC morons.

None of the wingnuts posting on the board saw anything wrong with that.

141 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:13:56am

re: #17 austin_blue

Well, Wheels has probably got the R nomination in the bag

“Wheels”? This is the height of irony here. On a post decrying the mocking of the President, we have a post mocking someone who is permanently in a wheel chair. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, the presumed GOP nominee for Governor, is disabled and is wheel chair bound. So let me understand the logic…..not ok to mock the Democrat President…..ok to mock the disability of a Republican politician.

142 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:16:24am

Wrecking all,
That’s it?
Lame.

143 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:17:00am

re: #141 Big Steve

I didn’t know he was in a wheelchair. “Wheels” is obviously a dumb thing to call him unless it’s something self-applied.

But do you really not get that they were saying “Do you want to see this guy get run down?” about the clown in the Obama mask?

That’s a lot beyond ‘mocking’.

144 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:22:08am

re: #141 Big Steve

“Wheels”? This is the height of irony here. On a post decrying the mocking of the President, we have a post mocking someone who is permanently in a wheel chair. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, the presumed GOP nominee for Governor, is disabled and is wheel chair bound. So let me understand the logic…..not ok to mock the Democrat President…..ok to mock the disability of a Republican politician.

You’re saying a disabled person can’t be an asshole, too?

Greg Abbott shares views with local Republicans
Attorney general talks about his job, hot-button issues

“He said he’s asked what his job entails and explained it’s gotten simplified.

“I go into the office in the morning,” he said, “I sue Barack Obama, and then I go home.”

“We’re taking care of business right now,” he said before the dinner at San Angelo Country Club, adding there was a lot of work to be done in the courts.”

gosanangelo.com

“Hot button issues” seem to be all about Pres Obama to Abbott.

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:23:22am

Skip the racist discussion here: it was fucking asinine and tasteless, and if the Rodeo saw fit to ban the Clown’s sense of tastelessness, then that is their decision to make.

It is not censorhip or oppression, it is simply asking this asshat to stand up and take the consequences of his actions.

146 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:26:42am

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

The Muslim Brotherhood don’t know when to give up.

They are full on attacking Churches.

147 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:27:43am

re: #140 aagcobb

On CARM, a right wing “Christian” website, someone posted

None of the wingnuts posting on the board saw anything wrong with that.

Cool, then the next day can be “Your christian god sucks ass day”. See how fucking PC you get then.

148 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:28:32am
149 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:28:58am
150 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:28:59am

re: #146 ProTARDISLiberal

The Muslim Brotherhood don’t know when to give up.

They are full on attacking Churches.

With the MB, “quitting” isn’t really in their nature. I can easily foresee them going to ground and conducting an insurgency campaign against the Egyptian government.

Granted, it wouldn’t exactly make them popular, but somehow, I really don’t think they’re all that concerned with popularity.

151 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:30:01am

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

If they want to play that way, the Egyptian Government should go full-Ottoman.

152 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:31:16am

While we’re on the subject of clowns, I just want to state that “Send In The Clowns” has to be one of the WORST SONGS EVER. You expect a clown song to be fun and upbeat, and this song is just musical valium.

153 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:33:24am

re: #151 ProTARDISLiberal

If they want to play that way, the Egyptian Government should go full-Ottoman.

That would simply fuel the MB; then they’ll be running around everywhere screaming, “Look, look, we’re being martyred and we won the election fair and square until the Army overthrew us in a coup!”

It wouldn’t work. What I do is give them some harmless ministry - like agriculture or something along those lines - and then schedule new elections before things get to the point of an MB terrorist campaign.

154 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:33:46am
This is the week the right wing said, “We’re all rodeo clowns now.”

Capped off by Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas): Stockman Invites Missouri Rodeo Clown to Perform in Texas | Congressman Steve Stockman.

Yes, this is your modern Republican Party, denying the existence of racism in their ranks as they simultaneously excuse and enable it.

Such very serious people, these modern GOPers. So substantive and principled. Values-loving, family oriented. ///

155 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:34:26am

The only song that is worse than “Send In The Clowns” is “I Put Your Picture Away”

156 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:35:53am

re: #153 Dr Lizardo

No, handle things like the Ottomans did nearly 200 years ago. The Wahhabi ideology wouldn’t recover from the damage the Ottomans inflicted until the 70’s, a full 150-160 years after the Ottoman-Saudi War.

157 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:38:00am

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

While we’re on the subject of clowns, I just want to state that “Send In The Clowns” has to be one of the WORST SONGS EVER. You expect a clown song to be fun and upbeat, and this song is just musical valium.

I didn’t think even Judy Collins could save that turkey. It always depressed me.

158 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:38:01am

Anyone in the mood for good laugh?
Chinese zoo tries to pass off a dog as a lion

What will the great nation China try next? An actual moon landing hoax?

159 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:38:03am

re: #156 ProTARDISLiberal

No, handle things like the Ottomans did nearly 200 years ago. The Wahhabi ideology wouldn’t recover from the damage the Ottomans inflicted until the 70’s, a full 150-160 years after the Ottoman-Saudi War.

And what would be the corpse count from doing this? And assuming you don’t care about that count if they’re MB, how many non-MB, women, and children get caught up in the destruction?

Not to mention the fact that this would probably spread beyond Egypt and cause further fighting and instability.

160 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:41:20am

re: #112 Varek Raith

BP, please stfu. thank u.

161 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:41:47am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

The only song that is worse than “Send In The Clowns” is “I Put Your Picture Away”

I dunno. I think “Having My Baby” is the worst ever.

162 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:42:27am

re: #147 Eventual Carrion

Cool, then the next day can be “Your christian god sucks ass day”. See how fucking PC you get then.

Oh no. That would be persecution. //

163 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:44:17am

Congressman Doesn’t Believe White Collar Crime On Wall Street Exists

“Well first of all, for a criminal practice there has to be a gun. It’s pretty simple.”

Derp derpity derp derp.

164 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:45:10am

re: #156 ProTARDISLiberal

No, handle things like the Ottomans did nearly 200 years ago. The Wahhabi ideology wouldn’t recover from the damage the Ottomans inflicted until the 70’s, a full 150-160 years after the Ottoman-Saudi War.

The Wahhabi ideology was far more isolated 200 years ago then it is today; plus, you’d never get away with wholesale massacres like one could a couple of centuries ago. Hell, even European powers thought nothing of mass slaughter. Now there’s world opinion to contend with.

The only way to beat the Wahhabis is to promote alternative variants of Islam; Sufism, etc. Hell, even the Ahmaddiyya, even though they’re pretty far from being ‘orthodox’ Muslims…..nonetheless, they’re largely pacifistic. Education is also important. Radical ideologies are best defeated with books, not bullets.

165 Wile E. Wonka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:45:31am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

The only song that is worse than “Send In The Clowns” is “I Put Your Picture Away”

Oh, I think “If” would give ‘em both a run for their money. Hey, anyone up for a sweet, sappy love song about the heat death of the universe? :)

In other news, I’m back from the Land of Summer Folk Music Festivals, and more suntanned than I’ve been in years. Gotta catch up on my news before I can start having opinions again, of course.

166 Wile E. Wonka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:47:13am

re: #163 Varek Raith

Congressman Doesn’t Believe White Collar Crime On Wall Street Exists

Derp derpity derp derp.

Wow. Okay, I have a new default response whenever some wingnut brings up that Democrat who misspoke about an island capsizing that one time…

167 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:47:13am

Alrighty then. Yipes.

168 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:48:49am

re: #164 Dr Lizardo

It’s very hard to promote peaceful ideologies when the other side is willing to stop you with violence and bullets.

169 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:49:26am

re: #163 Varek Raith

Congressman Doesn’t Believe White Collar Crime On Wall Street Exists

Derp derpity derp derp.

So if a gun needs to be involved for there to be a crime, does that mean that crimes that don’t involve guns are okay?

170 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:49:34am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

I dunno. I think “Having My Baby” is the worst ever.

Every Justin Bieber song is “worst song ever” but it’s a special kind of bad song that sucks in spite of a good artist.

171 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:50:28am

re: #169 Lidane

So if a gun needs to be involved for there to be a crime, does that mean that crimes that don’t involve guns are okay?

Apparently.

172 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:50:35am

re: #108 Vicious Babushka

If wingnut says it, no need to fact check it. //

173 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:50:48am

re: #168 ProTARDISLiberal

It’s very hard to promote peaceful ideologies when the other side is willing to stop you with violence and bullets.

Gandhi understood that and he and his followers did it anyways.

174 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:51:11am

A photoshop of Barack Obama as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose?

White conservatives say “not racist.”

A photoshop of Barack Obama as a shoeshine boy, shining a white woman’s shoes?

White conservatives say “not racist.”

Tea Party signs that say “go back to Kenya?”

White conservatives say “not racist.”

The symbolic humiliation and lynching of Barack Obama in front of a cheering white audience in Missouri?

White conservatives say “not racist.”

A pattern is emerging.

175 darthstar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:52:11am

Mornin’ everyone.

176 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:54:33am

re: #174 Charles Johnson

People pointing out that all these things are incredibly racist?

White conservatives say, “TOTALLY RACIST!”

177 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:54:41am

re: #169 Lidane

So if a gun needs to be involved for there to be a crime, does that mean that crimes that don’t involve guns are okay?

A man with a briefcase can steal more money
than any man with a gun
- Don Henley “Gimme what you got”

178 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:55:42am

re: #177 Eventual Carrion

Great song.

179 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:56:46am

OHHHHH TEH HUMANITY!!!11!!!!

180 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:57:01am

re: #168 ProTARDISLiberal

It’s very hard to promote peaceful ideologies when the other side is willing to stop you with violence and bullets.

True enough; it requires enormous patience. I’ve talked with some members of the Ummah who were of a more, shall we say, radical mindset; it can be done. And in the West at least, we have the authorities who can deal with the potential crazies. The Sheikh at the Sufi Center I used to go to in Berlin detested Wahhabis - he usually referred to them as “the agents of the Devil”. Nonetheless, he said, “They are our brothers and while we certainly disagree with them and their ideas, we must be better at explaining our ideas and beliefs to the people so they will come to reject the falsehoods of the Wahhabi.”

Just as Ghandi conquered the British Empire by simply wearing them down, the Wahhabi can be dealt with the same way. It just requires enough people to finally - and firmly - say, “No” when they spout off their noxious notions.

181 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 6:58:16am

re: #178 Bulworth

Great song.

Whole “End of Innocence “album was quite good IMO.

182 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:00:05am

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, because that guy isn’t going to end up in the RWNJ sympathy tour circuit making money. He’s totally going to be out of work forever now.

183 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:04:02am

Please proceed:


The Democrats would be thrilled if these three clowns ended up moderating the GOP debates.

184 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:04:06am

re: #182 Lidane

Yeah, because that guy isn’t going to end up in the RWNJ sympathy tour circuit making money. He’s totally going to be out of work forever now.

He could even run for Congress.

185 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:04:21am

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

OHHHHH TEH HUMANITY!!!11!!!!

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The amount of victimhood whining from the supposed tough-as-nails right is hilarious. Yeah, the rodeo clown is now Nelson Mandela and Alexander Solzhenitsyn for what he did. And right-wing Christians are now oppressed minorities who are going to end up in death camps.

It’s pathetic. Sorry to use an un-PC terms, but they need to all grow a pair.

186 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:04:22am

Good morning lizards.

The latest on the Alexis Murphy investigation is that suspect Randy Allen Taylor’s lawyer claims that she was in his camper with a drug dealer the night she disappeared. I’m not buying it. Sounds to me he knows they will find her hair in that camper so he’s creating a story to back that up.

187 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:05:22am

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

And forced into a FEMA re-education camp, too. //

188 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:05:24am

Pres Obama to make statement on Egypt at 10:15 am.

189 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:05:39am

re: #156 ProTARDISLiberal

No, handle things like the Ottomans did nearly 200 years ago. The Wahhabi ideology wouldn’t recover from the damage the Ottomans inflicted until the 70’s, a full 150-160 years after the Ottoman-Saudi War.

You goddamn just cannot stop calling for war-crimes. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why do you have such a fucking hardon for mass slaughter?

It is really fucking creepy. Seriously. Very, very creepy.

190 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:05:46am

re: #183 Lidane

Please proceed:

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The Democrats would be thrilled if these three clowns ended up moderating the GOP debates.

Mark Levin would be great. I don’t expect any softball questions from him.

191 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:05:47am

re: #168 ProTARDISLiberal

“All Muslims must refrain from a harsh, angry, and challenging approach, for these are contrary to the Qur’an’s method and essence. Instead, Muslims must adopt the accepting, moderate, calm, and rational approach described in the Qur’an. In other words, they must be role models for humanity and earn people’s admiration for the morality of Islam and themselves. Muslims should also make great progress and produce superb works of science, culture, art, and aesthetics, as well as live Islam in the best way, and thus represent it to the world.”

You might be surprised as to who said that, and I’m sure a good many Lizards might be as well.

Spoiler

Adnan Oktar

192 Mattand  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:06:45am

re: #174 Charles Johnson

A photoshop of Barack Obama as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose?

White conservatives say “not racist.”

A photoshop of Barack Obama as a shoeshine boy, shining a white woman’s shoes?

White conservatives say “not racist.”

Tea Party signs that say “go back to Kenya?”

White conservatives say “not racist.”

The symbolic humiliation and lynching of Barack Obama in front of a cheering white audience in Missouri?

White conservatives say “not racist.”

A pattern is emerging.

I initially didn’t view Rodeo Clown-gate as racist until I read that one article which described much of the crowd’s reaction. I’m sure more than a few ni-CLANGs were dropped in the audience.

But your overall point of a pattern emerging among conservatives? Oh, yeah. I’m starting to see conservatives acquaintances, who never displayed any sort of racial animosity, just drop unapologetic bigoted comments without provocation. The most recent was a guy I’ve known for three decades just flat out state that he’s avoiding a movie theater because there’s too many black people there.

And the ones who weren’t shy about being racist before? They’re just fucking going for broke. It’s getting ugly out here. I have no idea how the Obamas deal with it, particularly the kids.

Also, when you top that off with DF’s “Hey, I’m down with Stop-and-Frisk, tough shit for minorities”, I really wonder how long conservatives can keep this shit up before something gives way.

I honestly think the next move is Republicans in Congress drasitcally cutting the Secret Service’s budget. I really believe they hate Obama that much, they’re willing to indirectly try to get him killed by gutting his security detail.

193 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:07:05am

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

Slight irony in a creationist calling for Muslims to create science, but a nice thought, anyway.

194 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:07:21am

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

Mark Levin would be great. I don’t expect any softball questions from him.

Oh sure. I can just see it now when Levin asks Chris Christie why he’s a filthy RINO squish instead of a real man. That should be fun.

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:07:33am

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

Mark Levin would be great. I don’t expect any softball questions from him.

The initial question from the moderator is meaningless unless the moderator is willing to dog the candidate into actually giving an answer germane to the question.

196 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:08:07am

re: #156 ProTARDISLiberal

No, handle things like the Ottomans did nearly 200 years ago. The Wahhabi ideology wouldn’t recover from the damage the Ottomans inflicted until the 70’s, a full 150-160 years after the Ottoman-Saudi War.

“Kill ‘em all, let Allah sort ‘em out” is not the way civilized human beings should be handling things.

197 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:08:59am

re: #113 A Mom Anon

Instead of spending that 500 million to, oh, you know, CLEAN UP THEIR FUCKING MESS. My husband read that to me last night and was freaked out by it. They’re just pissed they had to spend even ONE dollar on cleaning up after themselves. I love their commercials featuring American employees who live in the Gulf region talking about how wonderful it all is and come on down to the Gulf for vacation. Oh. Hell. No. God only knows what’s in that water down there.

Seriously, these fucking corporations, or rather the psychopaths who run them, will not be happy until the entire planet is a smoking, barren ruin. I hope they enjoy their pile of money then, because they’re going to have to eat it to survive. The rest of us will be dead or dying.

I’ve swam in the Gulf water several times (Florida and Alabama) since the Spill and have suffered no ill effects. I’ve also eaten Gulf seafood and experienced the same result.

Having said that, BP is still a dirty word here on the coast. We all know full well there’s tons of garbage lurking under the water, especially off the Louisiana coast, that BP doesn’t want us to remember is there.

Just a couple of days ago, I watched a Frontline special on BP talking about Deepwater Horizon, as well as the 2005 accident in Texas and the incidents in Alaska. The company has a horrible safety record.

198 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:09:41am

You want to boost ratings for the debates?

Simple: Hire Samuel L Jackson as moderator.

199 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:10:25am

re: #193 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Slight irony in a creationist calling for Muslims to create science, but a nice thought, anyway.

Heh. I can respect the man for his pursuit of trying to find a moderate and modernistic brand of Islam; I’ve actually met him in Istanbul. Even though we agreed to disagree on the whole creationism schtick, he is sincere about religious tolerance and mutual respect for all people, even those he disagrees with.

200 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:10:47am

Derp O’The Day: this morning wingnuts are losing their shit over some rumor that POTUS was “playing cards” during the Osama Bin Laden raid.

I just can’t even.

201 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:10:53am

re: #194 Lidane

Oh sure. I can just see it now when Levin asks Chris Christie why he’s a filthy RINO squish instead of a real man. That should be fun.

And they wonder why they lose…

202 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:11:31am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

Derp O’The Day: this morning wingnuts are losing their shit over some rumor that POTUS was “playing cards” during the Osama Bin Laden raid.

I just can’t even.

He was watching live on tv. We have pics!
Sheesh.
My head hurts.

203 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:12:20am

re: #202 Varek Raith

He was watching live on tv. We have pics!
Sheesh.
My head hurts.

NO REASON TO FACT CHECK IT!!!11!!!!

204 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:12:23am

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

He wouldn’t let anyone answer the question, and he’d probably slip in “get off the podium, you big dope” at the drop of a hat.

His schtick has worn out, and any kind of debate involving him, Rush, or Hannity as a moderator would be all about them - not about the candidates. The candidates would be window dressing for their own career advancing and promos for their radio shows.

205 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:13:20am
206 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:14:55am

Humor break.

207 Wile E. Wonka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:15:19am

re: #193 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Slight irony in a creationist calling for Muslims to create science, but a nice thought, anyway.

Lotta creationists don’t understand the difference between science and technology. As attested to by the hordes of engineers and MDs they tend to pad their lists of “scientists who don’t accept the consensus” with.

208 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:15:39am

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

You want to boost ratings for the debates?

Simple: Hire Samuel L Jackson as moderator.

Well, him and The Rock, reprising their roles from The Other Guys. One of the candidates starts talking and L Jackson says

“Hey hey hey, you shut your face, if I wanna hear you talk I’ll shove my arm up your a$s and move your lips like a puppet!!!”

209 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:16:02am

re: #205 lawhawk

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Wingnuts scheduled to flip their shit at 10:16 ET

210 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:16:38am

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

Wingnuts scheduled to flip their shit at 10:16 ET

NYSE reports that spatula futures are up 20%!
;)

211 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:16:49am


212 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:17:50am

All we need now is a gay NASCAR driver and heads will ‘splode everywhere in Red America.

213 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:18:06am

re: #208 Bulworth

Well, him and The Rock, reprising their roles from The Other Guys. One of the candidates starts talking and L Jackson says

“Hey hey hey, you shut your face, if I wanna hear you talk I’ll shove my arm up your a$s and move your lips like a puppet!!!”

If that was on pay-per-view, I’d definitely pony up to see that shit.

214 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:18:28am

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

Then have a segment with Dana Carvey as John McLaughlin. After candidate says two or three words McLaughlin/Carvey yells “WRONG!!!!”

215 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:19:09am

re: #199 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I can respect the man for his pursuit of trying to find a moderate and modernistic brand of Islam; I’ve actually met him in Istanbul. Even though we agreed to disagree on the whole creationism schtick, he is sincere about religious tolerance and mutual respect for all people, even those he disagrees with.

He reminds me of William Albright, who was an amazingly inspirational archaeologist, a creationist and fundamentalist Christian who nonetheless revitalized the entire field of ‘Biblical archaeology’. He was wrong in almost every theory, but he was a great teacher who inspired a whole generation of students to, well, basically disprove him. He took Christian, Jewish, and atheistic students without a qualm, as long as they were genuinely interested in archaeology.

216 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:19:17am

re: #212 geoffm33

All we need now is a gay NASCAR driver and heads will ‘splode everywhere in Red America.

With this painted on the roof of his car.

Image: rainbow.jpg

No offense meant to anyone.

217 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:19:59am

re: #214 Bulworth

Then have a segment with Dana Carvey as John McLaughlin. After candidate says two or three words McLaughlin/Carvey yells “WRONG!!!!”

WRONG, NEXT ISSUE!

218 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:20:08am

re: #193 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Oh my god, look at his wikipedia picture. His hair has lens flare…

Image: Adnan_oktar_03.jpg

219 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:21:25am

re: #218 Carlos Danger

Oh my god, look at his wikipedia picture. His hair has lens flare…

Image: Adnan_oktar_03.jpg

Damn you Abrams!

220 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:21:43am

re: #215 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He reminds me of en.wikipedia.org William Albright, who was an amazingly inspirational archaeologist, a creationist and fundamentalist Christian who nonetheless revitalized the entire field of ‘Biblical archaeology’. He was wrong in almost every theory, but he was a great teacher who inspired a whole generation of students to, well, basically disprove him. He took Christian, Jewish, and atheistic students without a qualm, as long as they were genuinely interested in archaeology.

The one he and I definitely did agree on was that Young Earth Creationism is utterly bizarre. He simply couldn’t understand how in the world anyone could come to the conclusion that the planet is less than 4 or 5 billion years old.

221 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:22:22am

re: #218 Carlos Danger

Oh my god, look at his wikipedia picture. His hair has lens flare…

Image: Adnan_oktar_03.jpg

J.J. Abrams is apparently everywhere these days.

222 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:23:07am

Dumbest Man On Teh Internets:

223 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:23:32am

re: #214 Bulworth

Then have a segment with Dana Carvey as John McLaughlin. After candidate says two or three words McLaughlin/Carvey yells “WRONG!!!!”

That bring back good memories…you know, when SNL was funny:

nbc.com

224 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:23:40am

Don’t tell the Republicans. They are heavily invested in America’s economic failure:

225 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:23:51am

re: #212 geoffm33

All we need now is a gay NASCAR driver and heads will ‘splode everywhere in Red America.

I think there is already one there…

226 Wile E. Wonka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:23:51am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

Derp O’The Day: this morning wingnuts are losing their shit over some rumor that POTUS was “playing cards” during the Osama Bin Laden raid.

I just can’t even.

Hey, what they suddenly got against playing cards during the “wait” phase of “hurry up and wait?” It’s not like we haven’t been printing decks with enemy leaders as the face cards since, oh, the Civil War or thereabouts…

227 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:25:02am

re: #222 Vicious Babushka

So the picture with him and Hillary and the generals sitting around the table watching earnestly…

Oh, never mind.

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228 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:26:11am

re: #157 Justanotherhuman

I didn’t think even Judy Collins could save that turkey. It always depressed me.

In the play it’s from, it occurs at a low point. It’s not supposed to be uplifting or funny, since it’s about chances for happiness not taken. During the later reprise, the characters are mocking their own choices and how they had turned out.

229 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:27:42am

re: #225 Justanotherhuman

I think there is already one there…

Ahhhhh, you would be correct, thank you.

bleacherreport.com

230 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:27:53am

re: #222 Vicious Babushka

Dumbest Man On Teh Internets:

Apparently the teatards have no shame as they are willing to embarrass themselves to yet another new low.

231 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:27:55am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

I dunno. I think “Having My Baby” is the worst ever.

I have another candidate for that spot, but the race is close.

232 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:29:08am

Hmmmm…

Officers, canine units search home of suspect in missing teen case

The search for Alexis Murphy led investigators back to the home of the Nelson County man charged with abduction in her disappearance for an intensive search that, at its peak, involved more than 40 officers and nearly a dozen dogs.

…A wooded gully about 10 feet from U.S. 29 was bordered with crime scene tape Wednesday afternoon. Investigators focused on the area for hours, entering the woods with gloves, evidence tags and cameras.

Searching through the gully, one canine handler shouted, “We found it!”

Investigator Billy Mays, of the Nelson County Sheriff’s Office, said no information will be released on Wednesday’s search.

233 Wile E. Wonka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:29:22am

re: #225 Justanotherhuman

I think there is already one there…

Stephen Rhodes apparently came out as gay after leaving the circuit in the mid-’00s, and is now looking for an entry back into NASCAR for the 2014 season…

bleacherreport.com

Unless you were thinking of Sasha Baron Cohen. *runs and hides*

234 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:29:22am

Stephen Rhodes, the first openly gay NASCAR driver:

Vimeo

A couple are still in the closet.

235 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:29:42am

re: #228 GeneJockey

In the play it’s from, it occurs at a low point. It’s not supposed to be uplifting or funny, since it’s about chances for happiness not taken. During the later reprise, the characters are mocking their own choices and how they had turned out.

Never saw the play you are referring to, but as a standalone song it utterly sucks.

236 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:29:50am

re: #229 geoffm33

Ahhhhh, you would be correct, thank you.

bleacherreport.com

Out of pure comedic joy, I can’t wait for the day for a black man to win the Daytona 500. The unhinged right-wing racism and meltdown will be glorious.

237 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:30:20am

re: #236 Dr. Matt

Out of pure comedic joy, I can’t wait for the day for a GAY black man to win the Daytona 500. The unhinged right-wing racism and meltdown will be glorious.

Would make it that much better….

238 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:31:31am

re: #237 geoffm33

Out of pure comedic joy, I can’t wait for the day for a GAY black man who converted to Islam to win the Daytona 500. The unhinged right-wing racism and meltdown will be glorious.

Would make it that much better….

I’ll see your Gay and raise you a follower of Islam

239 Wile E. Wonka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:32:12am

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

Never saw the play you are referring to, but as a standalone song it utterly sucks.

Whoa, I just looked it up. A Little Night Music was a musical adaptation of a Bergman film?!

Jayzus, Steve! You do know how ta pick ‘em…

240 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:32:28am

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

Blue Oyster Cult Founder Allen Lanier Dead at 66

ultimateclassicrock.com

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Too much cowbell?

241 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:32:33am

re: #214 Bulworth

Youtube Video

242 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:32:38am

re: #236 Dr. Matt

And also, there have already been gay World Series winners, Super Bowl Champions, NBA Finals Champions, SEC Football Champions, NCAA Football National Champions, the list is endless. Just not openly gay.

Just like most homophobes have gay friends, aunts, uncles, cousins, best friends, nieces, nephews, brothers, sisters, etc, etc, etc…

243 Wile E. Wonka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:34:40am

re: #242 geoffm33

And also, there have already been gay World Series winners, Super Bowl Champions, NBA Finals Champions, SEC Football Champions, NCAA Football National Champions, the list is endless. Just not openly gay.

Just like most homophobes have are gay friends, aunts, uncles, cousins, best friends, nieces, nephews, brothers, sister, etc, etc, etc…

FTFY
/

244 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:34:45am

DERP


When I pointed out that photo is from Thailand, wingnut Derped back:

245 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:34:50am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Hmmmm…

Officers, canine units search home of suspect in missing teen case

I’ve read that earlier; I can’t help but wonder what that “it” was that they found.

Cellphone? Her purse? A body?

246 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:34:52am

re: #238 Dr. Matt

I’ll see your Gay and raise you a follower of Islam

Yusuf Fas, the Speeding Sheik from Detroit.

247 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:35:12am

re: #243 Wile E. Wonka

I see what you did there…..very true.

248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:35:24am

re: #183 Lidane

Please proceed:

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The Democrats would be thrilled if these three clowns ended up moderating the GOP debates.

The morons running the GOP (both from inside and outside) don’t have a plan for later this week, never mind 3 friggin’ years from now.

249 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:36:28am

re: #248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

The morons running the GOP (both from inside and outside) don’t have a plan for later this week, never mind 3 friggin’ years from now.

1) Vote to repeal Obamacare

2) ?

3) Victory!

250 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:37:04am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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Ironic choice of nic.

251 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:37:10am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

I’ve read that earlier; I can’t help but wonder what that “it” was that they found.

Cellphone? Her purse? A body?

I’m hoping for cell phone.

252 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:37:55am
253 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:37:58am

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

Never saw the play you are referring to, but as a standalone song it utterly sucks.

You should have heard the OTHER songs.

254 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:38:00am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

Playing Iphones!! No FactCheck needed!!

//

255 blueraven  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:38:12am

re: #157 Justanotherhuman

I didn’t think even Judy Collins could save that turkey. It always depressed me.

Maybe Chet Baker and Van Morrison can.

Youtube Video

256 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:38:37am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

Not to mention, people don’t “pick up their check”. Checks are mailed, even emergency help, at least in NC, IIRC. In the meantime, people are given referral slips to food banks, churches and charities, so you’d better have some form of transportation for all that running around.

257 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:39:15am

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

Mark Levin would be great. I don’t expect any softball questions from him.

Every “question” would be a quoted passage from one of his books, something about “tyranny” and “statists”, ending with “don’t you agree?”

Spoiler: If someone doesn’t agree, he’ll get flustered and yell in his weird nasally Groucho Marx voice, which sounds like Donald Duck having a temper tantrum.

258 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:40:06am

re: #256 Justanotherhuman

Don’t FactCheck us Libtard!!!

259 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:40:40am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

I’ve read that earlier; I can’t help but wonder what that “it” was that they found.

Cellphone? Her purse? A body?

260 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:41:45am

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

I’m hoping for cell phone.

Same here. Could be her purse as well. If they’d found her, they likely would’ve announced it by now.

Color me cynical, but I highly doubt she’s still alive. Most likely, she’s somewhere on that property or not far from it.

261 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:42:14am

re: #257 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Every “question” would be a quoted passage from one of his books, something about “tyranny” and “statists”, ending with “don’t you agree?”

Spoiler: If someone doesn’t agree, he’ll get flustered and yell in his weird nasally Groucho Marx voice, which sounds like Donald Duck having a temper tantrum.

There’s a reason why Levin and Limbaugh have shows on the Radio, where they completely control things, like who gets to talk. They get to shine, because they set up the conditions. And it’s all about them.

Journalists, even the egotistical ones, at least have nodding acquaintance with the idea of not being the center of attention.

262 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:43:28am

re: #259 NJDhockeyfan

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I read that earlier….that it’s now a “criminal action”. I think the cops are going on the assumption that she’s deceased.

263 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:45:13am

How about some good news?

Slowly but surely, the worst of the drought seems to be ebbing in the high plains. It’s not by any means good out there, but things are headed in the right direction, if you watch the 12-week animated loop. More heavy thunderstorms are forecast for the hardest-hit areas today.

264 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:45:15am

Man tweets for weed; job goes up in smoke
Dumb person comedy break.

265 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:46:38am

re: #250 GeneJockey

Ironic choice of nic.

267 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:49:43am

An Ohio Poster to my fb stated that her kid lost full-time status at her job at Kroger’s due to Obamacare. I googled and got nothing.

Anyone hear of this?

268 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:50:21am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

I’ve read that earlier; I can’t help but wonder what that “it” was that they found.

Cellphone? Her purse? A body?

Image: koYqXZU.jpg

269 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:50:32am

re: #267 FemNaziBitch

An Ohio Poster to my fb stated that her kid lost full-time status at her job at Kroger’s due to Obamacare. I googled and got nothing.

Anyone hear of this?

It’s all over Teh Twitters, THEIR RR NO MOAR FULL TIME JRRBZ ANY WEAR!!!111!!!!

270 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:55:31am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

It’s all over Teh Twitters, THEIR RR NO MOAR FULL TIME JRRBZ ANY WEAR!!!111!!!!

I know, this is the first I’ve heard of a major employer doing so. I’d like to know the skinny or if it’s just the excuse the person’s manager gave her.

271 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:55:59am

re: #267 FemNaziBitch

An Ohio Poster to my fb stated that her kid lost full-time status at her job at Kroger’s due to Obamacare. I googled and got nothing.

Anyone hear of this?

That makes no sense.
They’d only do that to kick her of their health plans.

272 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:56:05am

re: #238 Dr. Matt

I’ll see your Gay and raise you a follower of Islam

Gay Muslim Woman.

Your turn.

273 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:58:21am

re: #272 Feline Fearless Leader

I’ll see your Gay and raise you a follower of Islam

Gay Muslim Woman.

Your turn.

Gay Black Muslim Woman /for the win

274 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:58:25am

re: #271 Varek Raith

That makes no sense.
They’d only do that to kick her of their health plans.

I know.

275 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:58:34am

re: #270 FemNaziBitch

Since the employer-mandate part of the ACA was delayed until 2015 it would seem strange for an employer to use it as an excuse to cut someone’s hours or status. In any event, under the ACA the workers would be eligible for subsidized health insurance when they weren’t (assuming they weren’t) before. You might want to mention this to your Ohio friend.

276 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:58:47am
277 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:58:57am

I’ve been avoiding it, but I guess it’s time to delve into research on Obamacare.

Where should I start?

278 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:59:01am

re: #273 lawhawk

Gay Black Muslim Woman /for the win

Disabled.

279 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:59:30am

re: #275 Bulworth

Since the employer-mandate part of the ACA was delayed until 2015 it would seem strange for an employer to use it as an excuse to cut someone’s hours or status. In any event, under the ACA the workers would be eligible for subsidized health insurance when they weren’t (assuming they weren’t) before. You might want to mention this to your Ohio friend.

need link

280 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:00:22am

re: #277 FemNaziBitch

I’ve been avoiding it, but I guess it’s time to delve into research on Obamacare.

Where should I start?

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

281 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:00:30am

re: #271 Varek Raith

That makes no sense.
They’d only do that to kick her of their health plans.

Of which an employer typically pays 2/3 rds of the cost, so yeah, “kicking her off THEIR plan” cuts their expenses (not to mention the hourly savings going from a full timer to one or one and a half part timers)

And no, I’m not saying that Kroger did that

282 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:01:47am

re: #275 Bulworth

And again, even though the mandate doesn’t kick in till ‘15, it’s still a way fro the employer to;
cut costs now
while getting their house (books) in order
for the start of ‘15

283 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:06:56am

re: #281 sattv4u2

Where ya been, old man???

284 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:08:08am

re: #262 Dr Lizardo

Actually, fuck that Oktar guy:

On 19 September 2008, a Turkish court banned Internet users in Turkey from viewing the official Richard Dawkins website after Oktar claimed its contents were defamatory, blasphemous and insulting to religion, arguing that his personality was violated by this site.[clarification needed] The ban was lifted on 8 July 2011.

He likes getting stuff banned. Religion needs to be able to deal with free speech. It’s nice that he’s saying positive things about science, but he doesn’t really seem to have the slightest grip on what that entails.

285 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:08:12am

re: #282 sattv4u2

But if they want to cut costs and service they’ll do that anyway. That’s part of the problem with the employer-insurance link. Universal access to healthcare shouldn’t be held hostage to employers like Kroger.

286 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:08:22am

re: #283 Varek Raith

Where ya been, old man???

Peeking in every now and then. Haven’t had much to say as of late,, cept ,,,

GET OFF NY LAWN

287 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:09:09am

This came-up on my facebook as a newsmax link under the title, ” ‘Misery’ Nurse set for Early Release” I’m not linking.

I googled and found this article many of the same paragraphs, but no reference to Stephen King’s movie.

Nurse Suspected of Killing Up to 46 Kids Set to Leave Prison

288 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:09:29am

re: #267 FemNaziBitch

Kroger’s work boards seem to indicate that the company is reducing full time equivalents. But this article (from April) cuts the other way.

My take is that they’re looking to cut costs, and think that shifting to more PTers will help the bottom line. Consumer Reports ranks Kroger in the middle of the pack.

But the company is apparently quite profitable. So it seems like this is a further effort to goose the stock price and it’s trading near its 52 week peak.

289 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:10:22am

re: #284 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Actually, fuck that Oktar guy:

He likes getting stuff banned. Religion needs to be able to deal with free speech. It’s nice that he’s saying positive things about science, but he doesn’t really seem to have the slightest grip on what that entails.

To be honest, there’s a bit of the cult leader aspect to him. Not like Jim Jones or David Koresh, mind you! But it’s there. If you want my totally honest impression

Spoiler

I’m pretty sure he thinks he’s the Mahdi

290 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:10:39am

re: #224 Dr. Matt

Don’t tell the Republicans. They are heavily invested in America’s economic failure:

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That’s actually kind of impressive considering all the GOP obstructionism.

291 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:11:50am

re: #287 FemNaziBitch

This came-up on my facebook as a newsmax link under the title, ” ‘Misery’ Nurse set for Early Release” I’m not linking.

I googled and found this article many of the same paragraphs, but no reference to Stephen King’s movie.

Nurse Suspected of Killing Up to 46 Kids Set to Leave Prison

I believe the nurses wiki entry includes a mention of Misery, that’s probably where it came from.

292 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:12:01am

re: #264 Varek Raith

Man tweets for weed; job goes up in smoke
Dumb person comedy break.

“The York Regional Police explained in a later tweet, “If you shouted on a busy street corner about illegal activity & we drove by, we’d intervene. Think of Twitter as a virtual street corner.”

293 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:12:22am

re: #288 lawhawk

Kroger’s work boards seem to indicate that the company is reducing full time equivalents. But this article (from April) cuts the other way.

My take is that they’re looking to cut costs, and think that shifting to more PTers will help the bottom line. Consumer Reports ranks Kroger in the middle of the pack.

But the company is apparently quite profitable. So it seems like this is a further effort to goose the stock price and it’s trading near its 52 week peak.

Thanks for the research!

294 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:12:38am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

Truthiness trumps facts. These folks don’t realize that they’ve gone from demanding truth to accepting fake but accurate.

It’s an ID-10T virus that, when combined with the Ni-Clang virus, has mutated into something godawful.

295 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:13:44am

re: #289 Dr Lizardo

We had someone like him in the past.

Did work out too well. Caused the Crusades.

296 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:17:11am

re: #288 lawhawk

But the company is apparently quite profitable. So it seems like this is a further effort to goose the stock price and it’s trading near its 52 week peak.

They are “quite profitable” because for the last several years they have undertaken a huge expansion (new stores) as well as remodeling existing stores all around here in the southeast. They have moved in right next to other chains in the area (Publix ,,, Ingals) and beat the snot out of them in price and quality while being competitive price wise with Wal Mart groceries

297 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:17:18am

re: #294 lawhawk

Truthiness trumps facts. These folks don’t realize that they’ve gone from demanding truth to accepting fake but accurate.

It’s an ID-10T virus that, when combined with the Ni-Clang virus, has mutated into something godawful.

Fake quotes, fake photos, historical revisionism, but WEE DEMAND TEH TROOF ABOUT BENGHAZI!!!111!!!

298 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:18:39am
299 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:18:57am

re: #295 ProTARDISLiberal

We had someone like him in the past.

Did work out too well. Caused the Crusades.

The “Mad Caliph”; I remember reading about him years and years ago. The one who went into the desert to meditate, and only his donkey and bloodied garments came back. Interestingly, it was in a book about famous disappearances, not religion. His fate is considered one of the ‘great mysteries’.

300 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:19:10am

re: #281 sattv4u2

Of which an employer typically pays 2/3 rds of the cost, so yeah, “kicking her off THEIR plan” cuts their expenses (not to mention the hourly savings going from a full timer to one or one and a half part timers)

And no, I’m not saying that Kroger did that

I know corporate businesses around here are doing exactly that. Reduced my g-son from close to 40 hrs/wk to a max of 25. And he’s one of their best workers—wanted him for mgmt. They’re hiring addtl PT employees to make up the hours needed to run the place. People I’ve talked w/who also do retail type work are complaining about the same thing—their hours cut, and more PT’ers being hired, to keep hourly employees to under 30/wk, mostly around 24-25, with a little “give” to cover sick or absent employees.

301 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:20:27am

re: #300 Justanotherhuman

I know corporate businesses around here are doing exactly that. Reduced my g-son from close to 40 hrs/wk to a max of 25. And he’s one of their best workers—wanted him for mgmt. They’re hiring addtl PT employees to make up the hours needed to run the place. People I’ve talked w/who also do retail type work are complaining about the same thing—their hours cut, and more PT’ers being hired, to keep hourly employees to under 30/wk, mostly around 24-25, with a little “give” to cover sick or absent employees.

That’s exactly how it was when I was at target in 07.

302 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:21:23am

With So Many Job Openings, Why So Little Hiring?

303 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:22:03am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

It’s not really a mystery though.

Somebody who had a vendetta from the persecution he committed followed him out there and killed him. Buried him in the desert.

304 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:22:20am

DERP

305 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:22:27am

re: #301 Varek Raith

That was probably more about the lousy economy as foreclosures mounted—this is different entirely, so we’ll see.

306 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:23:11am

re: #300 Justanotherhuman

I know corporate businesses around here are doing exactly that. Reduced my g-son from close to 40 hrs/wk to a max of 25. And he’s one of their best workers—wanted him for mgmt. They’re hiring addtl PT employees to make up the hours needed to run the place. People I’ve talked w/who also do retail type work are complaining about the same thing—their hours cut, and more PT’ers being hired, to keep hourly employees to under 30/wk, mostly around 24-25, with a little “give” to cover sick or absent employees.

That has been my experience as well.

307 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:25:06am

re: #302 FemNaziBitch

With So Many Job Openings, Why So Little Hiring?

“I can’t hire machinists with 10 years of experience for $10 an hour! It must be our education system!”

308 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:26:02am

re: #303 ProTARDISLiberal

It’s not really a mystery though.

Somebody who had a vendetta from the persecution he committed followed him out there and killed him. Buried him in the desert.

The ‘mystery’ aspect of it was is that no body was ever found, and by all accounts, there was a pretty thorough search. Granted, we’re not talking “CSI” here, but somewhere out there in the deserts outside of Cairo lies an infamous ruler.

Most likely, he was bumped off by someone who was pissed off at him, and most likely for deeply personal reasons. But who knows? Maybe someone from the royal court figured, “Oh hell no, this guy’s gotta go.”

309 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:26:26am

re: #307 GeneJockey

“I can’t hire machinists with 10 years of experience for $10 an hour! It must be our education system!”

IT TEH YOONYUNZ!!!11

310 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:28:33am

re: #306 FemNaziBitch

This has been going on for awhile now, probably 15-20 yrs or more. Somewhere someone got the brilliant idea that the more part timers you had the less benefits you had to worry about paying out. Pay ‘em less and work ‘em harder, what’s not to love if you’re a rich asshole?

This ignores the business model where you take care of your employees and they respond in turn by giving you their best work and staying with you over the long haul. This has long term benefits as we all know. You get better customer service, less theft, employees who care about your business.

My son’s generation is going to be the first to have less opportunity and income than his parents generation (who are struggling too). These god damned companies have more money than EVER in history and they’re doing this shit. It should be criminal.

311 Skip Intro  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:28:39am

I detect a new trend by the lunatic fringe of the GOP - which is 99% of them.

Allen West: Muslim Brotherhood ‘Infiltrated’ Obama Administration

huffingtonpost.com

Previously:
State Sen. Lee Bright announced his candidacy Tuesday for the GOP nomination for the U.S. Senate, calling incumbent Republican U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham “a community organizer for the Muslim Brotherhood.”

littlegreenfootballs.com

312 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:28:53am
313 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:29:09am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

IT TEH YOONYUNZ!!!11

But get your MBA and you should expect to get 100K/year coming out of school.
///

(I saw this once in a magazine article where people coming of business school with their MBA and BA degrees and no actual job experience expected 80+K as entry-level salary. I did wonder where they expected to get hired.)

314 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:29:28am

re: #304 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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Yeah, weren’t something like 35,000 white people machine-gunned into the Grand Canyon last week? I also recall reading about those three new extermination camps the Feds have set up in North Dakota….each has the capacity to gas 200,000 white people per day!

Oh wait…..you mean that’s all total bullshit and nothing like that exists in the United States of America outside of the insane persecutorial delusions of RWNJ’s?

*headdesk*

315 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:30:12am

re: #313 Feline Fearless Leader

But get your MBA and you should expect to get 100K/year coming out of school.
///

(I saw this once in a magazine article where people coming of business school with their MBA and BA degrees and no actual job experience expected 80+K as entry-level salary. I did wonder where they expected to get hired.)

Look at this page I posted yesterday.

316 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:30:12am

re: #310 A Mom Anon

This has been going on for awhile now, probably 15-20 yrs or more. Somewhere someone got the brilliant idea that the more part timers you had the less benefits you had to worry about paying out. Pay ‘em less and work ‘em harder, what’s not to love if you’re a rich asshole?

This ignores the business model where you take care of your employees and they respond in turn by giving you their best work and staying with you over the long haul. This has long term benefits as we all know. You get better customer service, less theft, employees who care about your business.

My son’s generation is going to be the first to have less opportunity and income than his parents generation (who are struggling too). These god damned companies have more money than EVER in history and they’re doing this shit. It should be criminal.

People with 2 or 3 part-time jobs have come together to find insurance benefits and other stuff.

317 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:30:15am

And on that note, the long quiet drive TO work beckons

318 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:30:51am

re: #313 Feline Fearless Leader

But get your MBA and you should expect to get 100K/year coming out of school.
///

(I saw this once in a magazine article where people coming of business school with their MBA and BA degrees and no actual job experience expected 80+K as entry-level salary. I did wonder where they expected to get hired.)

they are asst. managers at Target.

319 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:31:08am

re: #313 Feline Fearless Leader

I did wonder where they expected to get hired.)

At daddy’s consulting firm!

320 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:31:40am

re: #281 sattv4u2

Of which an employer typically pays 2/3 rds of the cost, so yeah, “kicking her off THEIR plan” cuts their expenses (not to mention the hourly savings going from a full timer to one or one and a half part timers)

And no, I’m not saying that Kroger did that

So, since what the employer pays for insurance is actually part of the employee’s compensation, by cutting their hours to ‘part time’ status to drop coverage, Kroger is reducing their workers’ compensation/hour.

Put more bluntly, they’re getting more work for less money. Essentially stealing the labor of people whom they originally hired under one set of expectations, but then changed for Kroger’s own benefit because they CAN.

Gee, if only there were some kind of mechanism by which the workers could acquire some power to exert force for their own benefit, much as the shareholders of Kroger formed for THEIR benefit….
//

321 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:32:19am

re: #315 Vicious Babushka

Look at this page I posted yesterday.

Saw it. And was partially what made me post the comment. :)

322 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:33:26am

re: #222 Vicious Babushka

Wait, THAT is what the ZOMG OBUMMER WUZ PLAYING CARDS derp is about?

It’s not playing well with some corners on the right. One of the most conservative guys I know was bitching on Twitter that there are valid things to ding Obama about and that playing cards wasn’t one of them. I had to leave for work before I could ask him what that was about.

323 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:34:00am

re: #312 Vicious Babushka

Maybe SteveWorksForYou could start actually doing some work for his constituents.

324 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:34:51am

re: #317 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet drive TO work beckons

Beckons, or latches the chain to the collar and tugs real hard?

325 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:35:13am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

It’s all over Teh Twitters, THEIR RR NO MOAR FULL TIME JRRBZ ANY WEAR!!!111!!!!

These people are stupid. I keep getting emails from job sites telling me that there are thousands of jobs waiting to be filled.

326 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:35:34am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

IT TEH YOONYUNZ!!!11

A rich guy, a Teabagger, and a Union worker are in a room. Someone brings in 100 cookies. The rich guy takes 98 of them, then turns to the Teabagger and whispers, “That Union guy wants your cookie.”

327 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:36:08am

re: #315 Vicious Babushka

Look at this page I posted yesterday.

I used to laugh at the case bills when my work as a paralegal was charged at $50/hr and I was actually being paid $13. That was after law firms started billing for everything—copies, phone calls, paper clips…which they added to the fat atty fees they charged.

328 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:36:19am

re: #312 Vicious Babushka

How much LSD do I have to do before that tweet makes sense?

329 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:36:24am

re: #301 Varek Raith

That’s exactly how it was when I was at target in 07.

Exactly, this isn’t something new all of a sudden. There just seems to be a convenient target for the swine to point to at the moment.

330 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:37:06am

re: #325 Lidane

These people are stupid. I keep getting emails from job sites telling me that there are thousands of jobs waiting to be filled.

For jobs American’s just won’t do? Proof of how lazy we are?

331 Wile E. Wonka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:38:15am

re: #300 Justanotherhuman

I know corporate businesses around here are doing exactly that. Reduced my g-son from close to 40 hrs/wk to a max of 25. And he’s one of their best workers—wanted him for mgmt. They’re hiring addtl PT employees to make up the hours needed to run the place. People I’ve talked w/who also do retail type work are complaining about the same thing—their hours cut, and more PT’ers being hired, to keep hourly employees to under 30/wk, mostly around 24-25, with a little “give” to cover sick or absent employees.

As far as I can tell, the real irony of all these wingers blaming Obamacare for employers cutting full-time jobs is: the system (employer-based health insurance) that lets them cut costs by replacing a full-timer with two part-timers (and badly penalizes workers for having a 29-hour job instead of a 30-hour one) is the very system Obamacare is engineered to weaken.

I’ve been waiting decades for some kind of fix to this bastard arrangement, and the way it kills entrepreneurship and freelance trades while giving preferential treatment to mega-retailers like WalMart. The whole thing was invented as a way for megacorps to dodge payroll taxes in the first place, and I’ll be delighted to see it go. The ACA is kinda weak sauce for chipping away at it, but it’s a step.

Naturally, people like John Schnatter and those Applebee’s and Subway franchisees and now Kroger are happy to exploit the system their political forefathers invented and then blame the symptom on the cure. Bleah.

332 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:38:31am

I love how the Greedy are so quick to ignore that employee are an “expense” to any company.

333 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:38:37am

re: #320 GeneJockey

I’ve heard this crap a LOT from wingnuts though, so it may not be true. Some Kroger stores, even here in the South, have union employees working in their meat depts for example. The store I’ve shopped at for 17 yrs has some of the same employees that were there the first day I went there, most of them are in management or run departments now.

My wingnut neighbor’s niece posted a little while back that her employer, a local chain of bowling alley/video arcade/bar/ restaurants laid off 65 out of 75 employees because of Obamacare. It’s bullshit, we were in there a week ago on a Friday and there were at least 20 people working, there is NO way to keep a place that large going with only 10 employees. I also seriously doubt most of those kids get employer based health insurance in the first place. They lie because they hate the President, period, full stop.

334 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:39:28am

re: #330 FemNaziBitch

For jobs American’s just won’t do? Proof of how lazy we are?

The jobs that Americans won’t do are currently being done by undocumented workers. The same undocumented workers that the morans who whine about there being NO JRRRRBZ ZOMG want to deport.

335 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:40:27am

re: #325 Lidane

These people are stupid. I keep getting emails from job sites telling me that there are thousands of jobs waiting to be filled.

What field?

What I see a lot of are articles where business owners bitch that they can’t find people who can just walk in and take over the job right away with no training. It used to be that you’d TRAIN people ON THE JOB. They even had a name for it, if only I could remember what it was….

It used to be that business folks understood that if you couldn’t fill a job for a particular wage, you’d have to offer more; that if you couldn’t find trained people, you’d have to train them. For some reason, they now believe they’re entitled to cheap, fully-trained workers who won’t ever take a better offer.

336 bubba zanetti  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:40:57am

re: #327 Justanotherhuman

I used to laugh at the case bills when my work as a paralegal was charged at $50/hr and I was actually being paid $13.

I was taught that for A&E work your target billing rate should be at least 3x your hourly rate for the firm to be profitable.

337 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:41:07am

re: #333 A Mom Anon

I’ve heard this crap a LOT from wingnuts though, so it may not be true. Some Kroger stores, even here in the South, have union employees working in their meat depts for example. The store I’ve shopped at for 17 yrs has some of the same employees that were there the first day I went there, most of them are in management or run departments now.

My wingnut neighbor’s niece posted a little while back that her employer, a local chain of bowling alley/video arcade/bar/ restaurants laid off 65 out of 75 employees because of Obamacare. It’s bullshit, we were in there a week ago on a Friday and there were at least 20 people working, there is NO way to keep a place that large going with only 10 employees. They lie because they hate the President, period, full stop.

I’m having a hard-time with the “blame it on Obamacare” excuse mostly because I keep hearing it. So much research to do, so little time.

338 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:42:36am

re: #325 Lidane

These people are stupid. I keep getting emails from job sites telling me that there are thousands of jobs waiting to be filled.

I have been getting “resume spam” from LinkedIn, where they scan corporate-specific job titles I have had and then send me spam. I had to block LinkedIn.

339 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:43:11am

re: #337 FemNaziBitch

I’m having a hard-time with the “blame it on Obamacare” excuse mostly because I keep hearing it. So much research to do, so little time.

Well, it’s either Obamacare, or Gay Marriage. So many problems, caused by those two things!

340 bubba zanetti  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:43:28am

re: #333 A Mom Anon

A local restaurant closed one of their two locations and blamed Obamacare. They had less than 50 employees. Right.

341 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:45:57am

re: #335 GeneJockey

What field?

What I see a lot of are articles where business owners bitch that they can’t find people who can just walk in and take over the job right away with no training. It used to be that you’d TRAIN people ON THE JOB. They even had a name for it, if only I could remember what it was….

It used to be that business folks understood that if you couldn’t fill a job for a particular wage, you’d have to offer more; that if you couldn’t find trained people, you’d have to train them. For some reason, they now believe they’re entitled to cheap, fully-trained workers who won’t ever take a better offer.

I get calls from recruiters every day. Most of the recruiters doing the cold calling are OUTSOURCED, it’s always some Indian guy.

342 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:46:58am

re: #340 bubba zanetti

I swear to god I get sick of this crap. There were people blaming Obamacare for business closings and cutbacks before the law even took effect. So you call them on it and they retort that it’s the mere THREAT of Obamacare that’s making these poor beleaguered businesses cut back or shut down. I hate a liar, lying assumes I’m stupid and just believe anything. Assholes.

343 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:47:40am

Burn your TV Bryan, it’s full of TEH GHEY.

344 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:48:22am

re: #342 A Mom Anon

I swear to god I get sick of this crap. There were people blaming Obamacare for business closings and cutbacks before the law even took effect. So you call them on it and they retort that it’s the mere THREAT of Obamacare that’s making these poor beleaguered businesses cut back or shut down. I hate a liar, lying assumes I’m stupid and just believe anything. Assholes.

In part, this is the GOP plan. 40 attempts to appeal the law, constant propaganda. Keep employers unsure of the future … . .the market HATES this kind of uncertainty.

345 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:49:13am

bbl

346 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:50:10am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

Burn your TV Bryan, it’s full of TEH GHEY.

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more GOP re-brainwashing attempts before the elections? I’ve noticed a certain “bent” lately, trying to show FOX as more moderate.

347 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:50:34am

re: #335 GeneJockey

I just went and looked at the most recent email from Monster.com. Here are some of the jobs needing to be filled:

Customer Service Rep./Sales
Manager Trainee
Client Technical Support
Hospice Administrator
Field Inspector
Product Manager
Data Science Product Manager
Office Manager
Pharmaceutical Sales Representative
Hospital Auditor
Inventory Specialist

And that’s just from the first page of over 1000 ads. Some of these are for pretty big companies, like Microsoft, GE, and Nestle.

348 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:50:52am

For CL and others. Enjoy:

bbc.co.uk

349 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:51:16am

re: #336 bubba zanetti

I was taught that for A&E work your target billing rate should be at least 3x your hourly rate for the firm to be profitable.

Yeah, and I’m old enough to remember when there was actually a “cost of doing business” philosophy to running one, not just how much you could increase profits without actually doing anything differently. And a lot of that profit was plowed back into the company for growth and capitalization, not paid out to enrich a few people. Companies could actually survive losses and bounce back if they had that reserve profit and ran the company right and could weather the business cycle.

350 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:51:40am

re: #346 FemNaziBitch

more GOP re-brainwashing attempts before the elections? I’ve noticed a certain “bent” lately, trying to show FOX as more moderate.

“Fox News” and “moderate” only belong in the same sentence if the words “compared to Prison Planet” are also involved.

351 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:51:54am

re: #338 Vicious Babushka

I have been getting “resume spam” from LinkedIn, where they scan corporate-specific job titles I have had and then send me spam. I had to block LinkedIn.

I have to use LinkedIn for work. I’m finding it’s not very useful except as an elaborate job board with the occasional blog post from some business person I like about things that are fairly obvious.

352 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:52:13am

re: #347 Lidane

I just went and looked at the most recent email from Monster.com. Here are some of the jobs needing to be filled:

Customer Service Rep./Sales
Manager Trainee
Client Technical Support
Hospice Administrator
Field Inspector
Product Manager
Data Science Product Manager
Office Manager
Pharmaceutical Sales Representative
Hospital Auditor
Inventory Specialist

And that’s just from the first page of over 1000 ads. Some of these are for pretty big companies, like Microsoft, GE, and Nestle.

You want to try an experiment? Go on to Monster.com and make a change to your profile. Just rewrite something. Then save.

Recruiters will start spam-calling even if your profile shows that you are already employed.

353 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:53:00am

re: #346 FemNaziBitch

more GOP re-brainwashing attempts before the elections? I’ve noticed a certain “bent” lately, trying to show FOX as more moderate.

Soon the ‘wingers won’t have anything to watch except each other.

354 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:53:04am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

So Megyn Kelly is pro-gay, i.e. not rabidly anti-gay like Bryan? Who knew? Megyn Kelly also has lady parts which makes her objectionable to Bryan in general.

355 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:53:14am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

Fox has a pro-gay slant? Since when?

356 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:53:24am

WaPo hacked by the Syrian Electronic Army.

357 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:53:25am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

Burn your TV Bryan, it’s full of TEH GHEY.

[Embedded content]

You should Tweet back to Bryan that by watching Fox News, which is full of TEH GHEY! he’s been exposed to GHEYITIS and is now officially a homosexual.

358 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:54:20am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

Sometimes, I wish I could get inside Bryan Fischer’s head (and Bachmann’s, and Santorum’s) for 24 hours just too see what the hell animates people who are morbidly obsessed with the sex lives of people they don’t know. I mean, just about the last thing I ever care about as I go about my daily existence is whether or not there are two gays having sex somewhere.

359 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:54:24am

re: #352 Vicious Babushka

You want to try an experiment? Go on to Monster.com and make a change to your profile. Just rewrite something. Then save.

Recruiters will start spam-calling even if your profile shows that you are already employed.

Hell, yes! They don’t want people to hire who are UNemployed, and with the current job market, they can afford not to.

360 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:55:38am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

Burn your TV Bryan, it’s full of TEH GHEY.

[Embedded content]

He IS aware, is he not, that Megyn Kelly is an ACTUAL woman, not a drag queen?

361 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:59:00am

re: #174 Charles Johnson

Humiliation is not racism.

It is just humiliation. Rodeo clowns egg the bull on and do get chased around. Thats their job.

So its symbolic humiliation according to Charles? What was the clown “symbolizing”?

The only somewhat response I received when I previously asked what did the clown do that was racist was that it was mocking a black man and somehow that ties back to slavery? Can’t see anything the clown did that refers to slavery.

You may think what the clown did was over the top and in bad taste but calling any criticism of Obama racist demeans the word.

Obama is not a descendant of slaves so even somehow tying it to slavery, which is lame, does not apply to Obama. His dad came from Kenya and his mom is white. He is not even black. He is mixed race.

If you want to read about a hateful racist act google Ray Widstrand. The clown, come on.

362 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:59:11am

There won’t be a good outcome to this:

@ABC7 tweeted:
ABC7
#BREAKINGNEWS: Egypt authorizes police to use deadly force to protect police, key institutions from attacks

363 blueraven  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 8:59:41am

re: #310 A Mom Anon

This has been going on for awhile now, probably 15-20 yrs or more. Somewhere someone got the brilliant idea that the more part timers you had the less benefits you had to worry about paying out. Pay ‘em less and work ‘em harder, what’s not to love if you’re a rich asshole?

This ignores the business model where you take care of your employees and they respond in turn by giving you their best work and staying with you over the long haul. This has long term benefits as we all know. You get better customer service, less theft, employees who care about your business.

My son’s generation is going to be the first to have less opportunity and income than his parents generation (who are struggling too). These god damned companies have more money than EVER in history and they’re doing this shit. It should be criminal.

Its the next step for these corporations. Starting in the 90s it was out-sourcing, now where they cant out-source they go to PT workers to avoid benefits.
Bottom line is profits for the stockholders. Obamacare is used as the excuse to do what they would be doing anyway.

364 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:00:13am

re: #362 Justanotherhuman

There won’t be a good outcome to this:

@ABC7 tweeted:
ABC7
#BREAKINGNEWS: Egypt authorizes police to use deadly force to protect police, key institutions from attacks

Yep; I see another long bloody night ahead, unfortunately.

365 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:00:49am

re: #359 GeneJockey

Hell, yes! They don’t want people to hire who are UNemployed, and with the current job market, they can afford not to.

If they want to entice people to leave their current jobs to go work for them, they’d have to offer MOAR MONEYS than the person is already making.

I always tell the recruiter that they can call me back if they can get me $62/hr (Snowden’s rate).

366 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:01:31am

re: #361 Wrecking all

Youtube Video

367 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:01:49am

re: #363 blueraven

“Bottom line is profits for the stockholders. “

Of course it is. That is what a CEO’s job is. Maximize profits. If the shareholders don’t like it they can vote him out.

368 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:03:24am

re: #361 Wrecking all

You may think what the clown did was over the top and in bad taste but calling any criticism of Obama racist demeans the word.

Are you saying the clown was engaged in criticism of the president?

369 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:04:37am

re: #368 wrenchwench

“Wrecking All” is probably this banned loser’s sockpuppet.

370 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:06:03am

re: #352 Vicious Babushka

Half of those look like jobs that pay less than 30K a year, at least where I am. Especially the customer service manager or medical field administrator jobs. Even here, where it’s not really expensive to live, 30K is barely enough for a single person to live decently. Not if you want a car that doesn’t break down every other week and an apartment that’s not falling apart.

371 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:07:50am

re: #368 wrenchwench

No, since he said very little. He was mocking him. Lets say not as over the top as running around with Bush’s decapitated head on a stick. And even if a black guy is holding the stick I don’t think its racist. Just bad taste.

Hey, I think whooping up the crowd about running over Obama was bad taste but was not racist.

372 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:08:15am

Ya’alon to Dempsey: We must prevent ‘axis of evil’ from winning regional conflict

Israel must be prepared for a long-term standoff and instability in Syria while deterring the “axis of evil” - Tehran, Damascus and Beirut - from winning the conflict, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Wednesday.

There’s never a good time to use that loaded Bush era phrase.

373 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:08:29am

And in the “shocking but not really surprising” category, this perfectly innocent and innocuous facebook post results in anti-Semitic derp:

Teh Juice own all the medias!!1!

374 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:10:23am

re: #364 Dr Lizardo

Yep; I see another long bloody night ahead, unfortunately.

It’s looking like Egypt is heading into an all out civil war. I don’t see anyway it can be avoided after yesterday. There are no winners in this.

375 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:10:46am

re: #371 Wrecking all

Bush’s decapitated head on a stick.

That was a random head on a stick used as a prop in a “Game of Thrones” episode. After the show was broadcast someone (possibly to stir up interest for “Game of Thrones”) said Hey that head on a stick looks like Bush! then everybody was frantically searching frame by frame but nobody noticed it until then.

376 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:11:35am

re: #369 Interesting Times

So I guess thats the game here. If you don’t just join in the echo chamber you get banned?

That is the rumor outside the little protected walls here at LGF

377 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:12:03am

GAZE the wrecking ball.

378 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:12:09am

re: #370 A Mom Anon

Half of those look like jobs that pay less than 30K a year, at least where I am. Especially the customer service manager or medical field administrator jobs. Even here, where it’s not really expensive to live, 30K is barely enough for a single person to live decently. Not if you want a car that doesn’t break down every other week and an apartment that’s not falling apart.

Around here, people are living in broken down trailers at $30K/yr incomes. I was lucky to find this apt for $550/mo (with owners who care about it and their tenants)—you should have seen what was out there 3 yrs ago—total crap, or overpriced for what it was. I was getting desperate and a friend of a friend actually told me about this.

Besides, I can stretch a penny until Lincoln squeals, as the saying goes. : )

379 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:12:43am

re: #375 Vicious Babushka

Ok back on point, what did the clown do that was racist, not disrespectful or humiliating or in bad taste.

What was racist?

380 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:12:57am

re: #374 NJDhockeyfan

It’s looking like Egypt is heading into an all out civil war. I don’t see anyway it can be avoided after yesterday. There are no winners in this.

Indeed. This would bring two countries on Israel’s borders in a state of civil war - only Jordan is more or less calm. I for one, hope Jordan stays that way. Personally, I rather like their King. Not a bad chap for a monarch.

381 piratedan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:13:00am

re: #377 Vicious Babushka

it’s like hypnotoad, without the nuance of thought

382 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:13:26am

The quality of trolls is sorely lacking these days. Must be slow over at the stalker blogs.

383 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:13:40am

re: #367 Wrecking all

“Bottom line is profits for the stockholders. “

Of course it is. That is what a CEO’s job is. Maximize profits. If the shareholders don’t like it they can vote him out.

More to the point, maximizing profits is why businesses exist. They are a tool to make money. Whatever makes them more money, they have a fiduciary responsibility to do. Whatever makes them LESS money, they have a fiduciary responsibility NOT TO do.

This is why businesses cannot be trusted not to sell shoddy products, if they can get away with it; not to pollute the environment, if they can get away with it; not to steal labor, if they can get away with it. THAT is the Genius of the Free Market - doing as little public good as you can get away with.

The key thing is not letting them get away with it. But we have a large population of morons raised to think the Free Market is some kind of benevolent thing that gives rewards to the deserving, and leads to perfect prosperity forever. Thus any interference with that, be it by Government or by an organized workforce MUST BE a bad thing.

384 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:14:29am

re: #381 piratedan

it’s like hypnotoad, without the nuance of thought

Youtube Video

385 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:15:32am

re: #379 Wrecking all

Ok back on point, what did the clown do that was racist, not disrespectful or humiliating or in bad taste.

What was racist?

Most racist thing I’ve seen in this thread was you saying Obama isn’t black. Shows what kind of a dumbass you are. Probably racist yourself, which makes you blind to the racism of others.

If you’re not blind to it, you’re just arguing against it because you’re a troll.

386 Stanley Sea  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:16:55am

re: #379 Wrecking all

Ok back on point, what did the clown do that was racist, not disrespectful or humiliating or in bad taste.

What was racist?

Flipping the rubber lips. Old and tired slur.

And the reaction of the crowd, all riled up screaming for blood.

Can’t quite imagine that reaction re: W.

387 blueraven  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:17:42am

re: #367 Wrecking all

“Bottom line is profits for the stockholders. “

Of course it is. That is what a CEO’s job is. Maximize profits. If the shareholders don’t like it they can vote him out.

There are ways to do it.
Costco seems to do pretty well.

I don’t think it is a good long term strategy. And while I know it is not the priority of corporations, it is very unpatriotic. The very thing RWNJs harp on daily.

388 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:17:44am

re: #383 GeneJockey

More to the point, maximizing profits is why businesses exist. They are a tool to make money. Whatever makes them more money, they have a fiduciary responsibility to do. Whatever makes them LESS money, they have a fiduciary responsibility NOT TO do.

This is why businesses cannot be trusted not to sell shoddy products, if they can get away with it; not to pollute the environment, if they can get away with it; not to steal labor, if they can get away with it. THAT is the Genius of the Free Market - doing as little public good as you can get away with.

The key thing is not letting them get away with it. But we have a large population of morons raised to think the Free Market is some kind of benevolent thing that gives rewards to the deserving, and leads to perfect prosperity forever. Thus any interference with that, be it by Government or by an organized workforce MUST BE a bad thing.

In a free enough market, ENRON stock woud still be flying. Tough on Granny, though.

389 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:17:51am

re: #383 GeneJockey

The key thing is not letting them get away with it.

What are they getting away with? If you think there i some violation of your space (i.e. the environment) then pass regulations to protect the environment. If you think they are getting away with fraud then pass consumer protection laws.

Making money is not getting away with anything. Its what makes people go to work.

390 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:17:54am

re: #383 GeneJockey

The key thing is not letting them get away with it. But we have a large population of morons raised to think the Free Market is some kind of benevolent thing that gives rewards to the deserving, and leads to perfect prosperity forever. Thus any interference with that, be it by Government or by an organized workforce MUST BE a bad thing.

Even worse- the inference if that you can’t get as much as you possibly can out of the system, then you must be stupid.

391 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:18:56am

DERP

392 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:19:06am

re: #380 Dr Lizardo

Indeed. This would bring two countries on Israel’s borders in a state of civil war - only Jordan is more or less calm. I for one, hope Jordan stays that way. Personally, I rather like their King. Not a bad chap for a monarch.

How much worse will it get before we stop the money spigot? I think our politicians are growing weary of the violence are ready to call it a coup.

393 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:19:32am

re: #386 Stanley Sea

How is flipping lips racist? Everyone has them regardless of skin color.

394 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:20:13am

re: #376 Wrecking all

So I guess thats the game here. If you don’t just join in the echo chamber you get banned?

That is the rumor outside the little protected walls here at LGF

Best way to get banned is to be rude and annoying. They don’t tell you that in the rumors, because it would be admitting that they are all rude and annoying.

You’re off to a quick start.

395 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:20:16am

Separation of church and state, how the fuck does it work?

Religious Groups Call for an End to the Ban on Electioneering from the Pulpit

Great. Fine. Religious groups want to endorse candidates from the pulpit? Go ahead. Just give up your tax exempt status first.

Seems like a fair trade to me.

396 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:20:29am

re: #393 Wrecking all

How is flipping lips racist? Everyone has them regardless of skin color.

Did you just arrive from the mothership?

397 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:20:31am

re: #389 Wrecking all

The key thing is not letting them get away with it.

What are they getting away with? If you think there i some violation of your space (i.e. the environment) then pass regulations to protect the environment. If you think they are getting away with fraud then pass consumer protection laws.

Making money is not getting away with anything. Its what makes people go to work.

This is exactly what is meant by “not letting them get away with it.” Passing protections.

398 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:21:28am

re: #393 Wrecking all

OK, I’m for the GAZE now.

399 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:22:24am
400 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:22:30am

re: #393 Wrecking all

Image: trolling.jpg

401 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:22:53am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

How much worse will it get before we stop the money spigot? I think our politicians are growing weary of the violence are ready to call it a coup.

To me, objectively, what happened in Egypt was a coup d’etat. The interim Egyptian government might have more nuanced phrases for it, but overthrowing a democratically elected government - even one I personally am ideologically opposed to - is not exactly democracy’s finest hour. Little wonder that far too many in the Middle East are so skeptical of democratic governance.

Privately, if you talk to many Arab people, while they may not like Israel (for a host of reasons) they admire it’s democratic government. More than a few have told me, “Man, I wish we had that.”

402 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:23:09am

re: #400 Lidane

Image: trolling.jpg

Why can’t it be both?

403 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:23:14am

re: #396 Decatur Deb

Oh please explain?

404 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:23:22am

re: #389 Wrecking all

You mean those regulations you guys fight tooth and nail to prevent from ever being passed/enforced?

405 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:24:28am

re: #401 Dr Lizardo

Uh, Morsi and his bunch were altering the constitution to make them the defacto rulers of Egypt.
Not democracy at all, is it?

406 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:24:46am

re: #403 Wrecking all

Oh please explain?

Sorry. Thought you might be feigning stupidity.

407 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:25:28am

re: #402 geoffm33

Why can’t it be both?

Good point.

We don’t get very smart trolls around this place.

408 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:25:34am

re: #395 Lidane

Separation of church and state, how the fuck does it work?

Religious Groups Call for an End to the Ban on Electioneering from the Pulpit

Great. Fine. Religious groups want to endorse candidates from the pulpit? Go ahead. Just give up your tax exempt status first.

Seems like a fair trade to me.

Agreed, if a preacher wants to politicize his pulpit and turn his church into a campaign HQ, then he can pay taxes on it just like anybody else.

409 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:28:13am

re: #404 Varek Raith

Who is “you guys”?

I am pro-people but that includes people who own businesses.

If a business is fouling the water or the air then we should pass a regulation to prevent that. We have quite a few of these already but that does not mean new ones may not be needed.

If a business is defrauding the consumer then either prosecute them under existing law or eliminate the loophole that allows them to get away with it.

I think being enraged and “corporations” in general is misguided. I work for one and I am a shareholder in quite a few. I guess I don;t share the contempt.

410 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:28:59am

What?

status.github.com

16:24 UTC We are still working to mitigate a very large DDoS attack. The site is now available for some users but we will remain in red status until we’re confident the site is staying up.

Anyone familiar with this?

411 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:29:16am

re: #406 Decatur Deb

Really Deb, flipping lips is ?? Not sure, maybe he was trying to indicate that what comes out of Obama’s mouth is gibberish. Maybe we should ask the clown. However, its not racist.

412 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:29:35am

re: #379 Wrecking all

Ok back on point, what did the clown do that was racist, not disrespectful or humiliating or in bad taste.

What was racist?

Have black men been ridden down and killed in this country by those that hated them and their place in politics— basically, hated that those black men felt themselves their equals?

413 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:30:06am

re: #411 Wrecking all

Also, why do you think you’re a good judge of what is racist?

414 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:30:45am

Jumping jesus, we’ve got a live one.

When someone explains that a person can’t have been subject to racist attacks because “they didn’t descend from slaves” and they’re “not black enough”, that’s the point at which I know I can tune them out.

I’m glad this one didn’t waste too much of my time with feigning sense.

415 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:31:00am
416 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:31:35am

re: #409 Wrecking all

You guys?
Republicans/TeaPartiers/Libertarians.
That bunch.

417 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:32:36am

40+ years of the American right calling the Russians evil, godless commies that would eat your children and burn your house down and now the American right are holding Russia up as a model of Christian virtue.

Amazing.

418 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:33:04am

re: #415 Lidane

[Embedded content]

God already punished America. He inflicted the Tea Party on us.

419 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:33:11am

re: #389 Wrecking all

The key thing is not letting them get away with it.

What are they getting away with? If you think there i some violation of your space (i.e. the environment) then pass regulations to protect the environment. If you think they are getting away with fraud then pass consumer protection laws.

Making money is not getting away with anything. Its what makes people go to work.

Yes, pass legislation through the very same people you are trying to pass legislation against (and yes, many of the reps in our government are paid by the very people we would need to pass legislation against, NO REGULATION!!!!!!!). Good plan. What color is the sky in your world?

420 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:33:23am

A morning troll. That takes commitment. O_o

421 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:34:40am

re: #411 Wrecking all

Tell us about AGW and evolution.

422 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:34:42am

re: #412 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

True, blacks were enslaved 150 years ago and in some parts of the country legally discriminated against until about 50 years ago.

Obama was born in 1962 to a Kenyan and a white woman from Kansas. He is mixed race. He or his ancestors were not part of the crowd that was wronged. Same as my skin is white and I am of European descent. So were the jews. Neither I or my ancestors were wronged by the holocaust.

But are you saying that because of slavery and Jim Crow you can’t criticize or mock a person with dark skin? Disagree.

Also, if you can’t stand being mocked or criticized president may not be your best job choice.

423 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:34:44am

re: #302 FemNaziBitch

With So Many Job Openings, Why So Little Hiring?

A second explanation is that employers are offering jobs at wages that are too low to attract good applicants. Alan Krueger, a labor economist at Princeton University who recently stepped down as chairman of President Barack Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, believes this to be an important piece of the puzzle.

But we don’t even need a gosh darned minimum wage!!

One explanation the article doesn’t address is the high turnover rates at a lot of positions. Sometimes jobs are listed constantly because people quit them in short order after being hired, so there’s a constantly revolving talent pool for those positions. Hence, companies keep the same posting listed constantly.

Also, the article doesn’t seem to differentiate between part and full time jobs. I’d love to see that breakdown. How many of these “advertised” positions are part-time with no benefits (and sometimes even commission only)?

424 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:35:02am

re: #393 Wrecking all

How is flipping lips racist? Everyone has them regardless of skin color.

Oh jesus H. fucking christ. How fucking old are you? Welcome out from under your rock. Meet the real world and learn something.

425 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:36:28am
426 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:36:38am

re: #421 Varek Raith

Tell us about AGW and evolution.

And vaccines.

427 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:37:05am

Racism ended, completely and totally, when Jim Crow was overturned. Because, y’see, racism is only a legal construct. Or, um, something. You learned it here first!

428 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:37:42am

re: #424 Eventual Carrion

53 and grew up in Chicago and know way more about true “racism” than most folks because I lived it.

There are some things that are racist. Flipping the lips of a clown’s mask is not one of them. Nice try at really trying to make something racist that isn’t.

Here is another example, the word “Chicago”.

429 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:38:09am

re: #422 Wrecking all

Obama was born in 1962 to a Kenyan and a white woman from Kansas. He is mixed race. He or his ancestors were not part of the crowd that was wronged. Same as my skin is white and I am of European descent. So were the jews. Neither I or my ancestors were wronged by the holocaust.

At least you aren’t a birther then.

Also, if you can’t stand being mocked or criticized president may not be your best job choice.

Please cite/show me quotes from Obama that he is upset over being mocked by the rodeo clown.

430 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:38:10am

re: #427 erik_t

Racism ended, completely and totally, when Jim Crow was overturned. Because, y’see, racism is only a legal construct. Or, um, something. You learned it here first!

And a white man is the best judge of that, dontchaknow.

431 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:38:52am

re: #430 wrenchwench

And a white man is the best judge of that, dontchaknow.

BECAUSE CHICAGO!!!!!!1

This is majestic.

432 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:38:57am

re: #379 Wrecking all

Ok back on point, what did the clown do that was racist, not disrespectful or humiliating or in bad taste.

What was racist?

As I said upthread:

“Well, Stockman misses the point. It wasn’t the clown in the Obama mask and cowboy hat (which I thought was kind of funny. Obama luring a Brangus bull away from a rider to prevent the unseated guy from getting stomped into a bloody stain would be great!).

It was the announcer egging on the crowd to root for the bull to injure Obama’s effigy that went over the top. *That’s* indefensible.

Stockman is a twinkie.”

You do see the difference, yes?

433 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:39:15am

re: #425 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Maybe he should try being a better parent first.

434 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:40:22am

Is it me or is this pretty stupid?

435 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:40:40am

re: #428 Wrecking all

53 and grew up in Chicago and know way more about true “racism” than most folks because I lived it.

There are some things that are racist. Flipping the lips of a clown’s mask is not one of them. Nice try at really trying to make something racist that isn’t.

Here is another example, the word “Chicago”.

52, I graduated from HS in Greenville Mississippi. Saw it first fucking hand in the deep south (12 years in Houston too). I am done talking to you. In my opinion you are a fucking willful idiot. Fuck off.

436 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:41:19am

re: #434 Gus

Is it me or is this pretty stupid?

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Let me count the ways…

437 bubba zanetti  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:41:28am

re: #428 Wrecking all

I’m sure your mixed-race bisexual veteran Canadian girlfriend tells you all about it.

438 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:41:30am

re: #429 geoffm33

You know you are right. Obama has not complained so far. Good for him. But his supporters sure are.

Also, I am not denying that racism exists. But false claims of it and the constant blaming of anything negative that befalls a black individual on racism makes the situation actually pretty comical.

Has the real clown show Sharpton and Jackson weighed in on this?

439 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:41:51am

re: #434 Gus

Because Russia has never, ever contributed anything to the world. Ever.

Just because Putin is an authoritarian douche doesn’t invalidate Russian literature and history.

440 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:42:00am

re: #408 Targetpractice

Agreed, if a preacher wants to politicize his pulpit and turn his church into a campaign HQ, then he can pay taxes on it just like anybody else.

Why isn’t it legal to buy votes? My freedom is being violated!

441 piratedan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:42:36am

I really like how all of this is simply explained away as folks being “too sensitive” and how it doesn’t demean the man or the office that he holds in any way. At the same time, the same folks feel that a federal health mandate is the beginning of the end of democracy and America as we know it with the onset of evil socialized medicine and are able to see no difference or hypocrisy whatsoever in maintaining both of those positions.

442 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:42:58am

re: #435 Eventual Carrion

Wow, lots F bombs but no explanation on how it is racist?

Did you think all the F bombs would disguise the fact that you haven’t made your point?

443 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:43:01am

re: #436 Decatur Deb

Let me count the ways…

re: #439 Lidane

Because Russia has never, ever contributed anything to the world. Ever.

Just because Putin is an authoritarian douche doesn’t invalidate Russian literature and history.

444 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:44:23am

re: #442 Wrecking all

Youtube Video

445 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:44:46am

re: #441 piratedan

I really like how all of this is simply explained away as folks being “too sensitive” and how it doesn’t demean the man or the office that he holds in any way. At the same time, the same folks feel that a federal health mandate is the beginning of the end of democracy and America as we know it with the onset of evil socialized medicine and are able to see no difference or hypocrisy whatsoever in maintaining both of those positions.

You libruls are too sensitive! You freak out over everything! You should calm down and get worried over real problems, like how God’s gonna strike down America for us allowin’ gays to get married and kiss in public!!

446 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:45:06am

re: #442 Wrecking all


Just because you don’t recognize a point doesn’t mean there wasn’t one.

447 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:45:28am

I’m sure the Noted Bastion of Liberal Apologist Oversensitivity that is the Missouri Rodeo Cowboy Association shitcanned the performers just for kicks.

448 Mattand  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:45:54am

Has Wrecking all dropped the “Some of my best friends are black” or “Whites get discriminated against, too, ya know!” cards yet? I really don’t feel like paging through the past comments.

449 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:47:16am

re: #448 Mattand

Has Wrecking all dropped the “Some of my best friends are black” or “Whites get discriminated against, too, ya know!” cards yet? I really don’t feel like paging through the past comments.

Don’t bother. It’s going to get hammered soon.

450 bubba zanetti  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:47:22am

re: #448 Mattand

Has Wrecking all dropped the “Some of my best friends are black” or “Whites get discriminated against, too, ya know!” cards yet? I really don’t feel like paging through the past comments.

Let’s put it this way - everybody here playing Troll Bingo has had a winning card.

451 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:47:24am

re: #438 Wrecking all

Has the real clown show Sharpton and Jackson weighed in on this?

Who cares what Sharpton and Jackson have to say? Is your life defined by opposing whatever they do?

452 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:48:59am

re: #447 erik_t

I’m sure the Noted Bastion of Liberal Apologist Oversensitivity that is the Missouri Rodeo Cowboy Association shitcanned the performers just for kicks.

If a self-selected crowd of shitkickers wants to applaud a minstrel show, I’m not surprised or offended. If the state dumps a ton of tax dollars into it, that becomes a public issue.

453 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:49:16am

re: #451 Carlos Danger

Who cares what Sharpton and Jackson have to say? Is your life defined by opposing whatever they do?

Now, I think you probably meant for that question to be rhetorical…

454 Wrecking all  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:49:16am

re: #446 wrenchwench

Well I’ll guess we’ll have to disagree with flipping of a clown masks lips being racist. I also don’t think the word Chicago is racist either.

I don’t think being half black or even fully black entitles you to a pass on mockery or criticism simply because of past mistreatment of previous blacks. Equality means you also are equally subject to mockery and criticism if you choose to hold public office.

So we’ll have to disagree with that one too. Pretty much all other responses were just name calling or snarky pointless comments.

You can return to you echo chamber now.

455 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:49:59am

re: #454 Wrecking all

When you’re counting the amount of blackness, you’re doin it rong.

Sorry pal.

456 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:51:01am

re: #454 Wrecking all

Someone clearly hasn’t been paying attention to the shitstorm that Russell Simmons is currently facing from the black community. They’re exponentially more pissed off at him than they are over another racist white guy mocking the President and a bunch of other racist white guys being outraged that their racism is being called out.

457 Mattand  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:51:02am

re: #454 Wrecking all

Well I’ll guess we’ll have to disagree with flipping of a clown masks lips being racist. I also don’t think the word Chicago is racist either.

I don’t think being half black or even fully black entitles you to a pass on mockery or criticism simply because of past mistreatment of previous blacks. Equality means you also are equally subject to mockery and criticism if you choose to hold public office.

So we’ll have to disagree with that one too. Pretty much all other responses were just name calling or snarky pointless comments.

You can return to you echo chamber now.

Straw man is full of straw.

458 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:51:17am

re: #454 Wrecking all

Well I’ll guess we’ll have to disagree with flipping of a clown masks lips being racist. I also don’t think the word Chicago is racist either.

I don’t think being half black or even fully black entitles you to a pass on mockery or criticism simply because of past mistreatment of previous blacks. Equality means you also are equally subject to mockery and criticism if you choose to hold public office.

So we’ll have to disagree with that one too. Pretty much all other responses were just name calling or snarky pointless comments.

You can return to you echo chamber now.

Youtube Video

459 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:51:58am

El Rushbo, dissing the GOP debates AND Hannity and Levin in one go:

460 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:52:54am

re: #454 Wrecking all

Some of us believe in calling out racist like you. Of course you disagree.

461 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:53:42am
462 Mattand  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:54:33am

re: #454 Wrecking all

I should let this go, but I’m guessing you think there has not been the slightest uptick in racist rhetoric from conservatives and Republicans since Obama got elected.

EDIT: forgot word “not”

463 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:54:35am
464 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:55:03am

re: #351 Lidane

I have to use LinkedIn for work. I’m finding it’s not very useful except as an elaborate job board with the occasional blog post from some business person I like about things that are fairly obvious.

After the second time they fucked up me changing my password and locked me out I left it that way and have all their mail to me about accounts, friends, etc. auto-trashed.

If their IT processes cannot handle their site and its security worth a rat’s ass I have no interest in working with them. And this was before they went public and essentially sold out their client base as their initial value to the market.

465 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:55:47am

Chew toy’s been fun, but he’s gotten pretty formulaic. Sort of like watching five minutes of train-wreck-TLC and then getting bored and changing the channel.

466 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:56:15am

Digital Era Threatens the Future of Drive-ins

I thought this was about drive-through banks. Since I got a smartphone I don’t make deposits at the bank anymore, I use a smartphone app.

Then I clicked on the link and it’s about Drive-In Movies! WTF I thought those totally died out in the ‘80’s.

Drive-In Movies are a relic of the ‘50’s and ‘60’s, they were dead long before the “Digital Era.”

467 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:56:38am

re: #358 Ian G.

Sometimes, I wish I could get inside Bryan Fischer’s head (and Bachmann’s, and Santorum’s) for 24 hours just too see what the hell animates people who are morbidly obsessed with the sex lives of people they don’t know. I mean, just about the last thing I ever care about as I go about my daily existence is whether or not there are two gays having sex somewhere.

It’s tentacles. All the way down.
//

468 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:56:55am

re: #441 piratedan

I really like how all of this is simply explained away as folks being “too sensitive” and how it doesn’t demean the man or the office that he holds in any way. At the same time, the same folks feel that a federal health mandate is the beginning of the end of democracy and America as we know it with the onset of evil socialized medicine and are able to see no difference or hypocrisy whatsoever in maintaining both of those positions.

Maybe if they burnt a few more Dixie Chicks records it would make them feel better.

469 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:57:03am

re: #466 Vicious Babushka

Digital Era Threatens the Future of Drive-ins

I thought this was about drive-through banks. Since I got a smartphone I don’t make deposits at the bank anymore, I use a smartphone app.

Then I clicked on the link and it’s about Drive-In Movies! WTF I thought those totally died out in the ‘80’s.

Drive-In Movies are a relic of the ‘50’s and ‘60’s, they were dead long before the “Digital Era.”

They still exist???
Heh.

470 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:57:59am

re: #466 Vicious Babushka

Digital Era Threatens the Future of Drive-ins

I thought this was about drive-through banks. Since I got a smartphone I don’t make deposits at the bank anymore, I use a smartphone app.

Then I clicked on the link and it’s about Drive-In Movies! WTF I thought those totally died out in the ‘80’s.

Drive-In Movies are a relic of the ‘50’s and ‘60’s, they were dead long before the “Digital Era.”

There’s still a few left here and there in the US and Canada, I believe, but yeah, they’re dying out. Last one I went to was up in Portland back in 1988 or 1989. Wasn’t actually watching the movie, heh, heh.

471 Mattand  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:58:02am

re: #469 Varek Raith

They still exist???
Heh.

Apparently, some of them are doing quite well. There’s one in South Jersey (birthplace of the drive-in, BTW) that’s supposed to be pretty cool.

472 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:58:25am
473 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:58:29am

re: #469 Varek Raith

They still exist???
Heh.

The only reason I can see for going to one (the reasons we had in the ‘60’s) you can drink alcohol, smoke (weed or cigarettes), and fuck while watching a movie on the big screen.

474 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:58:30am

re: #459 Lidane

El Rushbo, dissing the GOP debates AND Hannity and Levin in one go:

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They’re really going there for 2016? Hannity? Levin?

475 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:58:52am

Then again, the last movie I saw in any theater was Revenge of the Sith….

476 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:59:07am

re: #469 Varek Raith

They still exist???
Heh.

Seriously. I didn’t know they were still around.

477 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 9:59:42am

re: #475 Varek Raith

Then again, the last movie I saw in any theater was Revenge of the Sith….

Not too long ago, could have been ‘Revenge of the Nerds’ instead.

478 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:00:08am

re: #476 Lidane

Seriously. I didn’t know they were still around.

In the same sense that there are still buggy whip manufacturers, yes.

479 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:00:25am

re: #466 Vicious Babushka

Digital Era Threatens the Future of Drive-ins

I thought this was about drive-through banks. Since I got a smartphone I don’t make deposits at the bank anymore, I use a smartphone app.

Then I clicked on the link and it’s about Drive-In Movies! WTF I thought those totally died out in the ‘80’s.

Drive-In Movies are a relic of the ‘50’s and ‘60’s, they were dead long before the “Digital Era.”

We put in a new 4-screen a couple years ago that plays the same releases as the in-town chain. That’s in an area beset by high temps and mosquitoes much of the year. There are ex-teenagers who only bought cars to get to the drive-in movie via the drive-in diner.

480 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:00:30am

re: #469 Varek Raith

Digital was a godsend for studios. They can “rent” out the movies directly and cut out the little guy completely.

This probably devalues the movie experience but it makes a lot of money.

481 Ian G.  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:00:32am

re: #456 Lidane

Someone clearly hasn’t been paying attention to the shitstorm that Russell Simmons is currently facing from the black community. They’re exponentially more pissed off at him than they are over another racist white guy mocking the President and a bunch of other racist white guys being outraged that their racism is being called out.

Honestly, is there any liberal outrage over the Obama rodeo clown thing at all? It just seems like wingnuts reacted like a Pavlov dog to what they figured would generate outrage on the left. It seems like there’s a whole lot of counter-outrage from the right, and nothing else.

482 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:00:53am

re: #475 Varek Raith

Then again, the last movie I saw in any theater was Revenge of the Sith….

I went to see “Pacific Rim” on the big screen. The sort of movie that needs the cinematic experience, at least for me. Kaiju and giant robots and all that.

I don’t go that often though; prior to “Pacific Rim”, the last time I went to a theater was for “The Dark Knight Rises”.

483 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:01:07am

re: #473 Vicious Babushka

The only reason I can see for going to one (the reasons we had in the ‘60’s) you can drink alcohol, smoke (weed or cigarettes), and fuck while watching a movie on the big screen.

I remember seeing a newspaper ad for a drive-in theater back in the early 90’s. They gave up the pretense of people paying attention to the movies. They were showing porn.

484 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:01:34am

re: #466 Vicious Babushka

Digital Era Threatens the Future of Drive-ins

I thought this was about drive-through banks. Since I got a smartphone I don’t make deposits at the bank anymore, I use a smartphone app.

Then I clicked on the link and it’s about Drive-In Movies! WTF I thought those totally died out in the ‘80’s.

Drive-In Movies are a relic of the ‘50’s and ‘60’s, they were dead long before the “Digital Era.”

We still have a drive-in movie (was open last year, not this year tho’) about 3 miles from my house. It is the only one (if it opens back up) for about a 70 mile radius.

485 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:01:41am

re: #379 Wrecking all

Ok back on point, what did the clown do that was racist, not disrespectful or humiliating or in bad taste.

What was racist?

As I said upthread:

“Well, Stockman misses the point. It wasn’t the clown in the Obama mask and cowboy hat (which I thought was kind of funny. Obama luring a Brangus bull away from a rider to prevent the unseated guy from getting stomped into a bloody stain would be great!).

It was the announcer egging on the crowd to root for the bull to injure Obama’s effigy that went over the top. *That’s* indefensible.

Stockman is a twinkie.”

You do see the difference, yes?

Wrecking all? Response? Buehler? Buehler?

486 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:01:43am

re: #459 Lidane

El Rushbo, dissing the GOP debates AND Hannity and Levin in one go:

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“Too Famous”. Yeah, right. Can’t walk the walk can you Rush?

488 Mattand  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:02:58am

From Salon:

9 amazing drive-in movie theaters still standing

489 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:03:04am

The first and only movie I ever saw at a drive in was Jurassic Park.

490 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:03:14am

re: #422 Wrecking all

True, blacks were enslaved 150 years ago and in some parts of the country legally discriminated against until about 50 years ago.

No, blacks are still legally discriminated against. Weird that an expert like yourself on race relations doesn’t know that.

Why on earth do you think Obama’s actual heritage matters? He’s a black guy. Do you think racists aren’t racist against black dudes who’s dads are from Africa?

And again: It’s not about mocking. It’s about calling on the bull to run the guy down. When you have to dodge that fact constantly, it makes you look like a nutjob.

491 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:03:44am

re: #489 Eclectic Cyborg

The first and only movie I ever saw at a drive in was Jurassic Park.

Saw that on the big screen when I was 11.
Pure awesome.

492 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:04:14am

Drive-in theaters are doing all right around my area. But digital is killing the secondary market and it’s messing up a lot of the independents.

493 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:05:06am

The last time I went to a drive-in movie was in 1967.

The movie was “West Side Story.” Drank wine out of a paper bag and shared a joint.

Did not have sex. There were like 6 of us in the car.

494 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:05:26am

Closest drive in;
53.1 miles.

495 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:05:47am

re: #488 Mattand

From Salon:

9 amazing drive-in movie theaters still standing

Been to the one in Warwick NY!! It was the closest screen to Sussex, NJ.

496 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:06:19am

I think the first drive in movie I saw… was an Adam Sandler movie.

:/

497 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:06:44am

re: #494 Varek Raith

Closest drive in;
53.1 miles.

23 mi., 4 screens, current double features.

498 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:06:44am

She only makes $91 Million a YEAR David, can’t afford to pay interns.

499 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:06:59am

drive-ins.com

500 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:09:00am

re: #496 Carlos Danger

I think the first drive in movie I saw… was an Adam Sandler movie.

:/

A Summer Place. Wasn’t my choice—I watched the steelmill trains dumping incandescent slag down the tip.

501 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:09:44am

ZOMG IT TEH GHEY KKK!!!!111!!!

502 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:10:35am

re: #501 Vicious Babushka

We are all anti-gay bakery owners…

503 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:11:00am

re: #484 Eventual Carrion

A comment from that link:

I miss going to the drive in. The last one that was a tradition for me and my kids was sold to Walmart and a staple for the community of Lebanon, Oregon is now a Super Walmart.

Gather around, boys and girls, and let me tell you the story of America…

504 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:12:24am

Woohoo, found one open in NC: badinroaddrivein.com

505 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:13:36am

re: #498 Vicious Babushka

She only makes $91 Million a YEAR David, can’t afford to pay interns.

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Revealed!

506 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:13:49am

re: #494 Varek Raith

Closest drive in;
53.1 miles.

I just found out there’s one just a few miles from my house. It’s what they call a mini urban drive-in. I had no idea.

Looks like they mostly show 80’s films like The Breakfast Club and Fast Times at Ridgemont High. They’re on seasonal break now but they’re asking what people want to see more when they come back, The Muppets or Back to the Future.

I might have to check this out one night.

507 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:14:39am
508 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:15:19am

re: #504 Justanotherhuman

Woohoo, found one open in NC: badinroaddrivein.com

Cool. Note the chain is running a second drive-in and a couple sit-downs.

509 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:15:26am

re: #490 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No, blacks are still legally discriminated against. Weird that an expert like yourself on race relations doesn’t know that.

Why on earth do you think Obama’s actual heritage matters? He’s a black guy. Do you think racists aren’t racist against black dudes who’s dads are from Africa?

And again: It’s not about mocking. It’s about calling on the bull to run the guy down. When you have to dodge that fact constantly, it makes you look like a nutjob.

I’ve made that point directly to him and asked for a response. Twice.

Crickets. Tree frogs. The susurrus of the breeze.

510 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:15:33am

re: #501 Vicious Babushka

I have to defer to Duff Goldman on this:

“For a cake decorator to really feel like he really needed to take a stand…it just makes absolutely no sense. It’s petty, it’s small…this man has wrapped up his hatred in the cloak of religion.”

511 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:15:53am

re: #506 Lidane

I just found out there’s one just a few miles from my house. It’s what they call a mini urban drive-in. I had no idea.

Looks like they mostly show 80’s films like The Breakfast Club and Fast Times at Ridgemont High. They’re on seasonal break now but they’re asking what people want to see more when they come back, The Muppets or Back to the Future.

I might have to check this out one night.

Back to the Future.

512 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:17:01am

re: #510 Lidane

I have to defer to Duff Goldman on this:

It kind of makes me want to open my own artisinal bakery and specialize in GAY CAKE & PIE.

Who doesn’t love pie?

513 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:18:29am

re: #488 Mattand

From Salon:

9 amazing drive-in movie theaters still standing

When I was in Upper Michigan back in the 80s there was a drive-in just west of Marquette in Ishpeming. You could see the screen from the road and on weekends they had porn movies. The first time I noticed that the drive-in existed was when I was driving down the main road and noticed a 30 foot penis when I passed by some trees.

514 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:18:49am

re: #475 Varek Raith

Then again, the last movie I saw in any theater was Revenge of the Sith….

Viewed it as a documentary, comedy, or a “How not to be an Evil Overlord” guide?

515 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:18:54am

re: #511 Varek Raith

Back to the Future.

That would be cool to see at a drive-in.

I recall a drive-in up in Wadena, Saskatchewan; I went there once with a cousin of mine. From what I heard, it burned down sometime in the 1990s when the local Beavis and Butthead torched it.

516 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:21:48am

re: #505 Gus

Revealed!

I think Sandburg made that on a stock sale. At any rate, what they appear to be looking for is a rich socialite who can give them some charity work (“social chops”).

Poor people need not apply, nor anyone who actually has to work for a living.

517 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:21:57am

Are we done playing with this racist wingnut idiot yet? Because the sheer predictability of his excuses is getting on my last nerve.

518 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:22:40am

re: #517 Charles Johnson

Are we done playing with this racist wingnut idiot yet? Because the sheer predictability of his excuses is getting on my last nerve.

Grill’s up to temp, boss.

519 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:23:48am

re: #517 Charles Johnson

Are we done playing with this racist wingnut idiot yet? Because the sheer predictability of his excuses is getting on my last nerve.

Is it a sockpuppet? Because I don’t like reheated leftovers.

520 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:24:40am

re: #519 Vicious Babushka

Is it a sockpuppet? Because I don’t like reheated leftovers.

Leftover troll is greasy.

Eech.

521 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:25:58am
522 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:27:41am

Gawker Is Looking for Interns

Burp.

523 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:27:56am

re: #521 NJDhockeyfan

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Wow. I gotta admit, hell, I didn’t even know Electrolux had plants in Egypt, especially employing so many people. Makes sense though from a geographic point of view.

I have an old Electrolux vacuum cleaner. I love it.

524 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:27:57am
525 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:28:42am

re: #524 Lidane

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So the Washington Post should fire everyone we disagree with?

526 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:28:43am

re: #508 Decatur Deb

Cool. Note the chain is running a second drive-in and a couple sit-downs.

Didn’t see that. Both are too far away east of here to take a 3 yr old. :)

527 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:29:13am

re: #501 Vicious Babushka

ZOMG IT TEH GHEY KKK!!!!111!!!

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It’s actually an interesting circumstance. For many people their religious beliefs are the most highly held and important of any they have, trumping even established secular law.

While the Christians are no doubt crying “persecution!” over this, it’s more than that. If the bakery owner had been atheist and refused to serve the lesbian couple he or she would be in the same boat. The religion of the person at the core of this is not as important as you might think.

It does create a potentially volatile situation when people are completely willing to violate or completely ignore secular law because it goes against their religious beliefs. As gay marriage legalization increases, these types of legal battles will too.

528 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:29:46am

re: #517 Charles Johnson

Are we done playing with this racist wingnut idiot yet? Because the sheer predictability of his excuses is getting on my last nerve.

You may banish him to the gallows.

529 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:30:15am

re: #523 Dr Lizardo

Wow. I gotta admit, hell, I didn’t even know Electrolux had plants in Egypt, especially employing so many people. Makes sense though from a geographic point of view.

I have an old Electrolux vacuum cleaner. I love it.

I just bought an Electrolux Assistent mixer. I love it.

530 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:30:18am

re: #525 Gus

So the Washington Post should fire everyone we disagree with?

.

Not because she’s conservative, but because she’s just plain bad. She doesn’t travel within a hundred miles of Post standards. She parrots and peddles every silly right-wing theory to come down the pike in transparent attempts to get Web hits,” Pexton wrote. “Her analysis of the conservative movement, which is a worthwhile and important beat that the Post should treat more seriously on its national pages, is shallow and predictable. Her columns, at best, are political pornography; they get a quick but sure rise out of the right, but you feel bad afterward.

And she is often wrong, and rarely acknowledges it. She was oh-so-wrong about Mitt Romney, week after week writing embarrassing flattery about his 2012 campaign, calling almost every move he made brilliant, and guaranteeing that he would trounce Barack Obama. When he lost, the next day she savaged him and his campaign with treachery, saying he was the worst candidate with the worst staff, ever. She was wrong about the Norway shootings being acts of al-Qaida. She was wrong about Chuck Hagel being an anti-Semite. And does she apologize? Nope.

Rubin was the No. 1 source of complaint mail about any single Post staffer while I was ombudsman, and I’m leaving out the organized email campaigns against her by leftie groups like Media Matters. Thinking conservatives didn’t like her, thinking moderates didn’t like her, government workers who knew her arguments to be unfair didn’t like her. Dump her like a dull tome on the Amazon Bargain Books page.

531 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:30:25am

re: #527 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s actually an interesting circumstance. For many people their religious beliefs are the most highly held and important of any they have, trumping even established secular law.

While the Christians are no doubt crying “persecution!” over this, it’s more than that. If the bakery owner had been atheist and refused to serve the lesbian couple he or she would be in the same boat. The religion of the person at the core of this is not as important as you might think.

It does create a potentially volatile situation when people are completely willing to violate or completely ignore secular law because it goes against their religious beliefs. As gay marriage legalization increases, these types of legal battles will too.

Yeah, with those types, it’s always “God, family, country.” Notice what’s last in that order.

532 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:30:46am

I hate flying, but once in awhile airlines get it right:

Plane returns to gate to pick up 11 year cancer patient on way to camp

533 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:31:11am

re: #525 Gus

So the Washington Post should fire everyone we disagree with?

No, but they should fire everyone who is a sad hack with no writing skills.

534 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:31:37am

re: #531 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, with those types, it’s always “God, family, country.” Notice what’s last in that order.

I get that, but let me ask you this. What should a religious, yet rational person do when a law is passed that apparently requires them to commit act that runs contrary to their beliefs?

535 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:31:55am

re: #525 Gus

So the Washington Post should fire everyone we disagree with?

It’s called the Fox News model.

536 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:32:15am

re: #523 Dr Lizardo

Wow. I gotta admit, hell, I didn’t even know Electrolux had plants in Egypt, especially employing so many people. Makes sense though from a geographic point of view.

I have an old Electrolux vacuum cleaner. I love it.

I have a really old Electrolux carpet shampooer. It still works great.

537 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:32:21am

re: #530 Varek Raith

.

“Dump her like a dull tome on the Amazon Bargain Books page.” Kind of a derpy piece.

538 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:32:35am

re: #529 Vicious Babushka

I just bought an Electrolux Assistent mixer. I love it.

They make good products. Very solid, reliable and long-lasting. A friend of mine had a Kirby vacuum cleaner - she bought it at a thrift store - and she swore by that beast.

539 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:33:12am

re: #533 Vicious Babushka

No, but they should fire everyone who is a sad hack with no writing skills.

Guess that would also include Richard Cohen.

540 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:33:30am

re: #523 Dr Lizardo

Wow. I gotta admit, hell, I didn’t even know Electrolux had plants in Egypt, especially employing so many people. Makes sense though from a geographic point of view.

I have an old Electrolux vacuum cleaner. I love it.

Well, given it’s Egypt there is probably a fairly high demand for sweepers and devices that can help deal with dust and sand.

541 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:33:30am

re: #537 Gus

“Dump her like a dull tome on the Amazon Bargain Books page.” Kind of a derpy piece.

Okay, you don’t like that one rather trite sentence (I don’t really disagree). How about the other three paragraphs he quoted?

Sounded pretty damned spot-on to me. She should be fired for being profoundly inept, not for carrying the GOP’s water.

542 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:33:36am

re: #532 Eclectic Cyborg

I would like to note that this is an Israeli Airline, not an American one.

Airlines from the US would never do such a thing. Our country runs on money over people.

543 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:34:16am

re: #539 Gus

Guess that would also include Richard Cohen.

He’s pretty derpy too.
;)

544 piratedan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:34:31am

re: #525 Gus

more of a case that Jen Rubin meets no criteria as a pundit, no original ideas, no critical thinking, no apologies for being wrong. At least some of the other folks have the temerity to stfu when they’re proven to be incorrect about a subject, Rubin blithely trolls along completely without context or recognition of her previous positions.

great work if you can get paid for it

545 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:35:01am

I don’t get the Post, so…
SQUIRREL!

546 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:35:06am

re: #543 Varek Raith

He’s pretty derpy too.
;)

Very.

547 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:35:13am

This story is making the usual rounds today:.

Students offered grants if they tweet pro-Israeli propaganda

In a campaign to improve its image abroad, the Israeli government plans to provide scholarships to hundreds of students at its seven universities in exchange for their making pro-Israel Facebook posts and tweets to foreign audiences.

The students making the posts will not reveal online that they are funded by the Israeli government, according to correspondence about the plan revealed in the Haaretz newspaper.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office, which will oversee the programme, confirmed its launch and wrote that its aim was to “strengthen Israeli public diplomacy and make it fit the changes in the means of information consumption”.

I’m pretty sure something like this isn’t necessarily exclusive to Israel, but using astroturfed tweets as a basis for a school grant seems like a rather poor academic standard.

548 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:35:44am

Klingenschmitt: Wendy Davis Is ‘Ruled By A Demon Of Murder’ And Should Be Prosecuted

On today’s “Pray In Jesus Name” show, “Dr. Chaps” said that Davis, an attorney, is not qualified to serve as Governor of Texas because she is “ruled by a demon of murder” and that she should, in fact, “be prosecuted herself, probably for having facilitated so many abortions in her own state”.

549 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:37:09am
550 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:38:30am

Conservative Group: Replacing Hannity With Kelly A ‘Pro-Homosexual’ Move

America’s Survival, Inc. (ASI), which bills itself as a “public policy organization,” said that replacing Hannity with Kelly would be a jump-the-shark moment for the conservative cable news channel.

“Pushing Sean Hannity out of the 9:00 p.m. slot, to make way for pro-homosexual advocate Megyn Kelly, is another sign of the channel’s left-ward drift and decline,” ASI President Cliff Kincaid said in a press release, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

ASI will detail a study its conducted on Fox’s allegedly gay-friendly drift on Aug. 20 at a National Press Club event in Washington, D.C.

551 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:38:44am

re: #545 Varek Raith

I don’t get the Post, so…
SQUIRREL!

m.facebook.com

Winner!

552 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:39:11am

re: #549 geoffm33

The guy in the blue shirt looks like he’s going to go ape shit…

553 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:39:19am
554 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:39:49am

re: #538 Dr Lizardo

They make good products. Very solid, reliable and long-lasting. A friend of mine had a Kirby vacuum cleaner - she bought it at a thrift store - and she swore by that beast.

I bought the Electrolux mixer to replace the Hobart that I have had for over 30 years. It still works great, I just needed a machine that could handle larger amounts of bread dough.

When Zedushka knocked the brand-new mixer off the counter, the fitting for the power socket was knocked out. I took it to the repair shop that serviced the old Hobart. The guy had never seen an Assistent before but replacing a power socket is no big deal.

He also told me that the newer KitchenAid mixers, the 6-qt. models, are a bunch of crap.

I got it home and once I was able to plug it in again, mixed up some bread.

555 darthstar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:39:51am
556 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:39:52am

re: #534 Eclectic Cyborg

I get that, but let me ask you this. What should a religious, yet rational person do when a law is passed that apparently requires them to commit act that runs contrary to their beliefs?

Separation of church and state trumps everything, IMHO. Laws are secular for a reason. I don’t boycott businesses just because I don’t agree with the religion of someone, unless they come out with hate speech (like the Chick-Fil-A owner). I don’t even ask what it is. They can practice whatever religion they want to, as long as it doesn’t affect me as a person.

But discrimination under the guise of “religion” shouldn’t fly. I remember too well the old days of the lunch counter sit-ins and such. And, more recently, pharmacists who didn’t want to dispense lawfully prescribed drugs because of their own stand on contraceptives and abortion.

557 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:41:44am

re: #552 Varek Raith

The guy in the blue shirt looks like he’s going to go ape shit…

Janet Wu looks disgusted. Wonder what happened here:

558 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:41:54am

re: #550 Kragar

Conservative Group: Replacing Hannity With Kelly A ‘Pro-Homosexual’ Move

Apparently, Megyn Kelly’s greatest sins are saying that she couldn’t see a compelling argument against same-sex marriage and that people should be free to watch Chaz Bono on Dancing With the Stars if they want to. That made her a raving LGBT activist, I guess.

559 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:42:19am

re: #556 Justanotherhuman

Separation of church and state trumps everything, IMHO. Laws are secular for a reason. I don’t boycott businesses just because I don’t agree with the religion of someone, unless they come out with hate speech (like the Chick-Fil-A owner). I don’t even ask what it is. They can practice whatever religion they want to, as long as it doesn’t affect me as a person.

But discrimination under the guise of “religion” shouldn’t fly. I remember too well the old days of the lunch counter sit-ins and such. And, more recently, pharmacists who didn’t want to dispense lawfully prescribed drugs because of their own stand on contraceptives and abortion.

So then basically you are saying that if Christian owners of a wedding business don’t want to cater to gay couples they should close up shop?

560 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:43:52am

re: #558 Lidane

Apparently, Megyn Kelly’s greatest sins are saying that she couldn’t see a compelling argument against same-sex marriage and that people should be free to watch Chaz Bono on Dancing With the Stars if they want to. That made her a raving LGBT activist, I guess.

That’s pretty much all it takes for these whackjobs.

561 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:43:57am

re: #554 Vicious Babushka

I bought the Electrolux mixer to replace the Hobart that I have had for over 30 years. It still works great, I just needed a machine that could handle larger amounts of bread dough.

When Zedushka knocked the brand-new mixer off the counter, the fitting for the power socket was knocked out. I took it to the repair shop that serviced the old Hobart. The guy had never seen an Assistent before but replacing a power socket is no big deal.

He also told me that the newer KitchenAid mixers, the 6-qt. models, are a bunch of crap.

I got it home and once I was able to plug it in again, mixed up some bread.

Nice. So many products made today are just cheap disposable crap. Like the $9.99 coffee maker a person can pick up at WalMart; it’ll work for a few months, and then when it goes belly-up, folks will just buy a new one.

I have an old - really old - Tesla television (not to be confused with the electric auto manufacturer). B/W, still works, and I’m pretty sure that people were watching coverage of the JFK assassination on it, it’s so old. There’s no mark, but I’d date it to the early to mid 60s. It uses vacuum tubes, which you can still find around here.

562 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:44:01am

re: #559 Eclectic Cyborg

So then basically you are saying that if Christian owners of a wedding business don’t want to cater to gay couples they should close up shop?

Bummer for them, but I see absolutely no alternative.

“Cater” here, of course, meaning quite literally to serve them in the same way they serve others.

563 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:45:17am

Great-grandmother accuses Mayor Bob Filner of sexual harassment

SAN DIEGO - A great-grandmother will hold a news conference with attorney Gloria Allred early Thursday afternoon, alleging she is a sexual harassment victim of Mayor Bob Filner.

A news release stated the senior citizen was the “victim of continuous inappropriate sexual advances by the Mayor while trying to do her job at City Hall.”

The release said both Allred and the great-grandmother would address the media at 1:00 p.m. at the Westin in downtown San Diego.

A great-grandmother?

564 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:46:59am

re: #563 NJDhockeyfan

Great-grandmother accuses Mayor Bob Filner of sexual harassment

A great-grandmother?

At this point, I’d be willing to bet that Filner would sexually harass the dead.

565 abolitionist  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:47:09am

re: #307 GeneJockey

“I can’t hire machinists with 10 years of experience for $10 an hour! It must be our education system!”

Back in 1986, at my state-run employment center, I would see job listings for such things as “Programmer wanted; must have 5+ years experience with Windows” Clue: Windows 1.0 was released on 20 November 1985.

Or “Programmer wanted; must have proficiency with OS386.” Well, that operating system was vaporware at the time, ie, not yet released, altho I’d seen sales ads for it in magazines such as BYTE.”

What was really crappy about the whole process was that employers wanted all possible info about job applicants, but applicants, in most cases, couldn’t even find out which state(s) a listed job was for, and not even the name of the company in most cases, until after providing such info.

So I’m inclined to agree that there may be some problems with our education system.

566 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:47:13am

re: #561 Dr Lizardo

Nice. So many products made today are just cheap disposable crap. Like the $9.99 coffee maker a person can pick up at WalMart; it’ll work for a few months, and then when it goes belly-up, folks will just buy a new one.

I have an old - really old - Tesla television (not to be confused with the electric auto manufacturer). B/W, still works, and I’m pretty sure that people were watching coverage of the JFK assassination on it, it’s so old. There’s no mark, but I’d date it to the early to mid 60s. It uses vacuum tubes, which you can still find around here.

Appliance repair shops like the one I just visited are becoming few and far between. If your new appliance needs repair, you will have to pack it up and ship at your own expense to a “designated repair center” and usually they won’t even bother to fix it, just send you a warranty replacement.

I would have had to do that if the damage was more extensive than just the power socket, but it seems to have survived being frown to da fwoor.

567 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:48:29am
568 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:48:29am
569 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:49:11am

re: #564 Dr Lizardo

At this point, I’d be willing to bet that Filner would sexually harass the dead.

There’s an image I didn’t need….

570 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:49:42am

Rick Santorum accused of soliciting illegal campaign contributions

According to Sunlight, a 69-year-old energy oil executive from Louisiana by the name of Bill Doré told Santorum that he wanted to give him $1 million, far in excess of the $2,500 limits on individual contributions to primary and general elections. He could, however, contribute as much as he wanted to a nominally independent super PAC on one condition: that the candidate himself neither implicitly nor explicitly request a donation in excess of those legal limits.

Directing a contribution in excess of those limits is precisely what the unwitting Doré accused Santorum of doing.

When Sunlight’s reporter expressed surprise at his comments, Doré insisted that he didn’t “want to get [Santorum] in any sort of problem” because he “would not want to compromise his future.” He then tried to walk back his initial statement, claiming that Santorum had asked him to contribute the sum to the Republican Party, an equally compromising proposition given that $30,000 is the ceiling for such contributions. He then confirmed it was the super PAC to which Santorum had directed his donation.

At least until a few hours later, when he backtracked again, claiming that upon further reflection, it was an aide to the former Senator — and not the man himself — who told him about the super PAC. “Did he actually tell me that?” Doré asked, “I don’t think he did.” This last statement neatly conforms with the strictures of the Citizens United decision, rendering the $2.5 million Doré contributed to the Red, White and Blue Fund super PAC an unsolicited and, therefore, wholly legal donation.

On Wednesday, the Campaign Legal Center and Democracy 21 filed a joint complaint with the Federal Election Commission against Santorum and “other person(s) affiliated with and acting as agents for” him, charging that his interaction with Doré constitutes a solicitation of funds in excess of $5,000.

571 As Stupid as I Look  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:51:12am

re: #409 Wrecking all

Who is “you guys”?

I am pro-people but that includes people who own businesses.

If a business is fouling the water or the air then we should pass a regulation to prevent that. We have quite a few of these already but that does not mean new ones may not be needed.

If a business is defrauding the consumer then either prosecute them under existing law or eliminate the loophole that allows them to get away with it.

I think being enraged and “corporations” in general is misguided. I work for one and I am a shareholder in quite a few. I guess I don;t share the contempt.

Why should we trust corporations that require we create regulations to prevent them from fucking up the environment, then have to take them to court to punish them for ignoring the regulations only to see them settle out of court and repeat the offences?

Hmm?

572 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:52:30am

Trivia time:

On the show CHiPs, Ponch and John never drew their sidearms even once in any episode.

573 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:54:19am

re: #566 Vicious Babushka

Appliance repair shops like the one I just visited are becoming few and far between. If your new appliance needs repair, you will have to pack it up and ship at your own expense to a “designated repair center” and usually they won’t even bother to fix it, just send you a warranty replacement.

I would have had to do that if the damage was more extensive than just the power socket, but it seems to have survived being frown to da fwoor.

I have one right downstairs from me, on the ground floor of the apartment building; he’ll work on anything. And he sells the aforementioned vacuum tubes. I should take the TV down to have him look at it; he might know when it was manufactured. I do know it was made in the former Czechoslovakia during the Communist Era. It says “Výrobce ve ČSSR” on the bottom - Made in the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic.

574 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:57:45am

re: #566 Vicious Babushka

Appliance repair shops like the one I just visited are becoming few and far between. If your new appliance needs repair, you will have to pack it up and ship at your own expense to a “designated repair center” and usually they won’t even bother to fix it, just send you a warranty replacement.

Apple has been at the forefront of every new trend that makes more money for the corporation at the expense of the consumer. I guess they’re innovative, in that regard.

575 abolitionist  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:57:59am

re: #561 Dr Lizardo

Nice. So many products made today are just cheap disposable crap. Like the $9.99 coffee maker a person can pick up at WalMart; it’ll work for a few months, and then when it goes belly-up, folks will just buy a new one.

I have an old - really old - Tesla television (not to be confused with the electric auto manufacturer). B/W, still works, and I’m pretty sure that people were watching coverage of the JFK assassination on it, it’s so old. There’s no mark, but I’d date it to the early to mid 60s. It uses vacuum tubes, which you can still find around here.

That TV might be old enough to have a schematic tucked away somewhere inside the case. If so, it may have model info and a publication date.

576 jaunte  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:59:23am

re: #548 Kragar

Klingenschmitt: Wendy Davis Is ‘Ruled By A Demon Of Murder’ And Should Be Prosecuted

“Demons did it” is the new explanation for everything.

577 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 10:59:45am

McClintock thinks you can only have a crime if there is a gun involved

There’s no such thing as financial crime, according to Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA).

At a town hall meeting in El Dorado Hills, California on Tuesday, a constituent asked McClintock for his “stance on Wall Street criminal practices.” The congressman responded, “Well first of all, for a criminal practice there has to be a gun. It’s pretty simple.”

So white collar crime doesn’t exist at all anymore? HOORAY!

578 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:01:06am

re: #577 Kragar

McClintock thinks you can only have a crime if there is a gun involved

So white collar crime doesn’t exist at all anymore? HOORAY!

Someone should quite legally hit him over the head with a clue-by-four.

579 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:01:07am

re: #144 Justanotherhuman

You’re saying a disabled person can’t be an asshole, too?
G

Mocking someone’s disability is just as distasteful as mocking their race. Just pointing out the hypocrisy. Of course all people’s words and actions are fair game for criticism.

580 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:02:25am
581 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:02:41am

re: #577 Kragar

McClintock thinks you can only have a crime if there is a gun involved

So white collar crime doesn’t exist at all anymore? HOORAY!

Some will rob you with a six gun and some with a fountain pen…

Youtube Video

582 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:03:30am

re: #576 jaunte

“Demons did it” is the new explanation for everything.

The Geraldine alibi, LOL.

Youtube Video

583 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:03:39am

re: #577 Kragar

McClintock thinks you can only have a crime if there is a gun involved

By that idiot logic, rape, domesetic violence, and child sexual abuse don’t exist either, since most of those crimes don’t involve guns.

584 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:03:58am

re: #361 Wrecking all

I’m done. Take your bullshit somewhere else.

585 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:05:36am

Fucking unreal how they deny all racism, and at the same time spew hateful crap like “half black.” Just fucking unreal.

586 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:05:41am

re: #577 Kragar

McClintock thinks you can only have a crime if there is a gun involved

So white collar crime doesn’t exist at all anymore? HOORAY!

I don’t even get it. Rape, sexual harassment, discrimination, child abuse, arson, burglary, public indecency, the, list, goes, on, and, on. All that requires a gun? Hmmm.

587 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:05:48am

re: #583 Lidane

By that idiot logic, rape, domesetic violence, and child sexual abuse don’t exist either, since most of those crimes don’t involve guns.

So if I rob a bank without a gun, then I really didn’t commit a crime?

Cool beans.

588 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:06:17am

re: #583 Lidane

By that idiot logic, rape, domesetic violence, and child sexual abuse don’t exist either, since most of those crimes don’t involve guns.

Damn it, I type slow. Beat to the punch.

589 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:06:18am

re: #586 geoffm33

I don’t even get it. Rape, sexual harassment, discrimination, child abuse, arson, burglary, public indecency, the, list, goes, on, and, on. All that requires a gun? Hmmm.

I thought a gun in the vicinity magically prevented all of those crimes.

So hard to keep track.

590 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:06:42am

re: #575 abolitionist

That TV might be old enough to have a schematic tucked away somewhere inside the case. If so, it may have model info and a publication date.

Hmm. Could be. I know the company that made it is long out of business.

591 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:07:10am

re: #586 geoffm33

I don’t even get it. Rape, sexual harassment, discrimination, child abuse, arson, burglary, public indecency, the, list, goes, on, and, on. All that requires a gun? Hmmm.

THEIR WOOD BE NO MOAR RAPE IF EVERY WOMEN CARRIED AROUND AN AR-15 AT ALL TIME!!!1!! A WOMENS TAHT DON’T HAVE A GUN IS A SLUT WHOSE JUST ASKIN FOR IT!!!111!!

592 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:07:17am

re: #562 erik_t

Bummer for them, but I see absolutely no alternative.

“Cater” here, of course, meaning quite literally to serve them in the same way they serve others.

There is a social conflict here between citizens being able to get a service (a cake decorated in their desired manner) and whether a private enterprise should be *required* to handle that business. And, for what reasons, are they allowed to refuse said business?

We have the currently discussed case about a cake shop refusing to do a cake for a gay wedding.

How about a hypothetical case - a Jewish bakery asked to do a cake decorated with swastikas and Hitler’s visage for some Neo-Nazi celebration?

In both cases the shop is being requested to do business that includes construction of an object that contains imagery they find personally distasteful for religious or political reasons.

And I think a complicating factor is how easily the business can be taken elsewhere. If the cake shop is in a large city and there are dozens of cake shops there then a substitute can probably be found without great difficulty. If the cake shop is the only one in a small town and there is not a substitute for 50-100 miles (or more), then arguably substitution is of much greater difficulty.

And, at that point, what should be the *legal* requirements or actions potentially forced by government?

That there can be local non-legal action such as boycotting the business or even potentially a non-violent protest against it is a given. That’s standard market forces reacting to how a business treats customers.

593 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:07:23am

re: #582 CuriousLurker

Did you catch the BBC feature I posted far above?

littlegreenfootballs.com

594 jaunte  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:08:00am

“Demons did it; we’re just simple hedge-fund managers.”

595 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:08:55am

re: #592 Feline Fearless Leader

How about a hypothetical case - a Jewish bakery asked to do a cake decorated with swastikas and Hitler’s visage for some Neo-Nazi celebration?

IIRC it was the “Hitler” birthday cake that got Herr & Frau Campbell’s parental rights terminated.

596 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:09:05am

re: #594 jaunte

“Demons did it; we’re just simple hedge-fund managers.”

Sounds legit.

//

597 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:09:13am

re: #579 Big Steve

Mocking someone’s disability is just as distasteful as mocking their race. Just pointing out the hypocrisy. Of course all people’s words and actions are fair game for criticism.

You’re not responding to the facts, though.

In one case, there was mockery.

In the other, there was mockery and a threat with old racist undertones— the bit about having the bull run Obama down.

Do you understand?

598 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:09:54am

re: #593 Decatur Deb

Did you catch the BBC feature I posted far above?

littlegreenfootballs.com

I missed that one—thanks!

599 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:10:10am
600 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:10:37am

So, Filner is up to 16 now.

601 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:10:43am

Wrecking all

i am did with trying to school em

they don’t never seem to larn nothing

602 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:10:56am
603 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:11:03am

re: #561 Dr Lizardo

Did the Trabant ever have a presence in Czechoslovakia, or did they have more local offerings there? I always kinda wondered how the eastern-bloc “combined public operations” system worked.

604 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:11:48am

re: #592 Feline Fearless Leader

In both cases the shop is being requested to do business that includes construction of an object that contains imagery they find personally distasteful for religious or political reasons.

IANAL, but I suspect there’s some sort of, for lack of a better phrase, catch-all obscenity statute that would be applied on a case-by-case basis. By the same token, I’m sure a cake shop owner named Bob Loblaw could refuse to make a cake with the message “TROLOLOL BOB LOBLAW’S MOTHER IS A WHORE”.

There’s presumably some sort of societal-unanimity implied in weighing these issues. The vast majority of the population would find Hitlercake to be distasteful, whereas this is plainly not the case with a gay-marriage-cake.

605 Mattand  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:11:58am

re: #572 Kragar

Trivia time:

On the show CHiPs, Ponch and John never drew their sidearms even once in any episode.

Their hair was their weapons.

And they. Were. Fabulous.

606 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:12:00am

re: #602 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Why would I take my kids out of a school just for protecting the rights of other students?

607 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:12:58am

re: #409 Wrecking all

I think being enraged and “corporations”

corporations is people mah friends, and that’s why i am agin em

it’s them humans what are mucking up everything

608 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:15:16am

re: #605 Mattand

I was a sucker for Ponch’s smile…

609 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:15:40am

a visit by the morning wrecking all trool

we should let one in the gate every morning just to keep things lively

610 geoffm33  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:15:54am

re: #607 engineer cat

corporations is people mah friends, and that’s why i am agin em

it’s them humans what are mucking up everything

I thought soylent green was people. Does this mean soylent green is also corporations!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

611 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:15:56am

re: #602 Lidane


Ya, normal, we ALL know what that looks like////

612 Gus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:16:03am
613 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:16:06am

First openly-gay WWE superstar comes out: ‘I’m happy with who I am’

In an interview with TMZ at the baggage claim area of the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), Young was asked if a gay wrestler could be successful in the WWE.

“Absolutely. Look at me,” Young replied. “You know, I’m a WWE superstar and to be honest with you, I’ll tell you right now, I’m gay. And I’m happy. Very happy.”

The TMZ interviewer replied that he was “flabbergasted” because no WWE wrester had come out while still under contract.

“I just don’t think it matters,” Young said. “Does it matter? Does it matter to you? Does it change what you think about me?”

“I guess if you want to call it coming out, I really don’t know what to say it is, but I’m just letting you know that I’m happy with who I am, I’m comfortable with myself, and I’m happy to be living the dream,” he continued. “To be honest with you, I’m happy with myself, and some people might not like it and some people will like it. But I’m here to please myself, I’m here to be happy. It’s very important I’m happy with myself.”

614 Mattand  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:16:42am

re: #579 Big Steve

Mocking someone’s disability is just as distasteful as mocking their race. Just pointing out the hypocrisy. Of course all people’s words and actions are fair game for criticism.

re: #585 Charles Johnson

Fucking unreal how they deny all racism, and at the same time spew hateful crap about “half black.” Just fucking unreal.

re: #597 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You’re not responding to the facts, though.

In one case, there was mockery.

In the other, there was mockery and a threat with old racist undertones— the bit about having the bull run Obama down.

Do you understand?

WTF, was there some overnight memo in Conservative Land mandating that everyone go into “Deny or downplay racism toward Obama” mode?

Jesus Effing Christ, you guys (conservatives) aren’t going to be fucking happy until you provoke a nationwide race war, just so you can go “Look, we knew those people were up to no good!”

615 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:16:45am

re: #609 engineer cat

a visit by the morning wrecking all trool

we should let one in the gate every morning just to keep things lively

Like a bull at the rodeo.

616 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:16:48am

re: #608 DisturbedEma

I was a sucker for Ponch’s smile…

Image: Ponch3.jpg

617 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:17:10am

re: #604 erik_t

IANAL, but I suspect there’s some sort of, for lack of a better phrase, catch-all obscenity statute that would be applied on a case-by-case basis. By the same token, I’m sure a cake shop owner named Bob Loblaw could refuse to make a cake with the message “TROLOLOL BOB LOBLAW’S MOTHER IS A WHORE”.

There’s presumably some sort of societal-unanimity implied in weighing these issues. The vast majority of the population would find Hitlercake to be distasteful, whereas this is plainly not the case with a gay-marriage-cake.

And I picked a pretty clearly (and widely) distasteful example on purpose.

Given that (in the US) swastikas are not illegal symbols, what would be the legal basis for denying someone requesting Hitler-Cake to be made? Or for enforcing that it be made since it is not illegal?

618 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:17:36am
619 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:18:01am

re: #578 erik_t

Someone should quite legally hit him over the head with a clue-by-four.

I think someone should electronically hack his bank account and take all the money. Then use his words in court when they are charged with the “crime”.

620 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:18:09am

re: #610 geoffm33

I thought soylent green was people. Does this mean soylent green is also corporations!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

you are very lojikal mah friend

now we will eat you

621 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:18:09am

re: #604 erik_t

IANAL, but I suspect there’s some sort of, for lack of a better phrase, catch-all obscenity statute that would be applied on a case-by-case basis. By the same token, I’m sure a cake shop owner named Bob Loblaw could refuse to make a cake with the message “TROLOLOL BOB LOBLAW’S MOTHER IS A WHORE”.

There’s presumably some sort of societal-unanimity implied in weighing these issues. The vast majority of the population would find Hitlercake to be distasteful, whereas this is plainly not the case with a gay-marriage-cake.

How would a gay wedding cake be any different than a straight wedding cake, except that it has 2 grooms or 2 brides on top?

They might have requested a rainbow layer cake which looks totally awesome.

622 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:18:22am

re: #614 Mattand

WTF, was there some overnight memo in Conservative Land mandating that everyone go into “Deny or downplay racism toward Obama” mode?

Basically, yes. All the right wing blogs and media are currently spewing this shit. All of them. It’s the Unison Wingnut Chorus phenomenon.

623 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:19:05am

re: #612 Gus

Putin is such a tiny man. He does things for the express purpose of pissing of the US and Western Europe.

I am waiting inevitable gay sex scandal/cross-dressing incident to occur.

624 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:19:05am

re: #595 Vicious Babushka

found thisI remember this well but not details

625 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:19:46am

re: #617 Feline Fearless Leader

And I picked a pretty clearly (and widely) distasteful example on purpose.

Given that (in the US) swastikas are not illegal symbols, what would be the legal basis for denying someone requesting Hitler-Cake to be made? Or for enforcing that it be made since it is not illegal?

Culture wars aside, who is actually going to ingest a swastika cake made by a Jewish bakery or a same sex wedding cake made by homophobes?

626 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:20:07am

re: #616 Kragar


**swoooooon**

627 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:20:43am

re: #622 Charles Johnson

Basically, yes. All the right wing blogs and media are currently spewing this shit. All of them. It’s the Unison Wingnut Chorus phenomenon.

This is the application of the ‘Groundswell’ concept.

628 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:20:46am

re: #617 Feline Fearless Leader

And I picked a pretty clearly (and widely) distasteful example on purpose.

Given that (in the US) swastikas are not illegal symbols, what would be the legal basis for denying someone requesting Hitler-Cake to be made? Or for enforcing that it be made since it is not illegal?

Well, the baker who was requested to make the Hitler birthday cake called Child Protective Services if I am not mistaken. (Google “Hitler Birthday Cake”)

629 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:21:03am

re: #603 Carlos Danger

Did the Trabant ever have a presence in Czechoslovakia, or did they have more local offerings there? I always kinda wondered how the eastern-bloc “combined public operations” system worked.

You’ll see a few Trabant’s running around here, but locally there was Škoda, which is still around as part of the VW Group now.

You’ll see the occasional Lada, Wartburg, old Dacia on the road. Old Škodas are pretty common here.

The new Škodas are sweet.

Image: skoda-superb-02.jpg
Image: skoda-superb-09.jpg
Image: Skoda_Superb_II_Ambition_TSI_Brilliantsilber_Interieur.JPG
Image: skoda-yeti-02.jpg
Image: 1259769283_0509_zskoda_yeti_convertiblerear_right.jpg

630 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:21:12am

re: #622 Charles Johnson

Basically, yes. All the right wing blogs and media are currently spewing this shit. All of them. It’s the Unison Wingnut Chorus phenomenon.

Which we earlier established is actually a carefully orchestrated thing.

631 piratedan  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:21:37am

re: #627 Decatur Deb

This is the application of the ‘Groundswell’ concept.

ding ding ding…..

632 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:23:22am
633 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:23:46am

re: #613 Kragar

First openly-gay WWE superstar comes out: ‘I’m happy with who I am’

I’m gay. And I’m happy.

Gay and happy? Are they stealing that word now?!? Are they going to steal the whole dictionary to describe their perverted ‘lifestyles’???!?

634 Mattand  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:24:27am

re: #622 Charles Johnson

Basically, yes. All the right wing blogs and media are currently spewing this shit. All of them. It’s the Unison Wingnut Chorus phenomenon.

I’m still upset about DF’s “I’m with Coulter on Stop and Frisk” bullshit.

I alluded to it my post earlier, but it’s really getting upsetting to see people who I think are intelligent essentially endorse this kind of casual racism. The fact they’re my age (mid-40s) or younger makes it worse. We were supposed to be done with this fucking shit by the time I was this old.

I’ve seen liberals do some stupid things, but nothing along the lines of the way racism is becoming a core conservative value.

635 Lidane  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:24:48am

re: #572 Kragar

Trivia time:

On the show CHiPs, Ponch and John never drew their sidearms even once in any episode.

More trivia: Sgt. Joseph Getraer was played by Robert Pine. His son Chris is Captain Kirk in the new Star Trek films.

636 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:24:54am

re: #633 wrenchwench

Gay and happy? Are they stealing that word now?!? Are they going to steal the whole dictionary to describe their perverted ‘lifestyles’???!?

I’m just laughing at the thought of all the wingnuts who are going to say this guy ruined wrestling forever.

637 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:25:25am

re: #625 Decatur Deb

Culture wars aside, who is actually going to ingest a swastika cake made by a Jewish bakery or a same sex wedding cake made by homophobes?

Westboro Baptist. Ask for it, have it analyzed, and then sue the pants off the maker.

In summary, I think my point is that there is a balancing act between allowing a private business to discriminate about their selected customer base as a legal right — without it becoming a “hidden” societal methodology for widespread and effective discrimination; e.g. keeping a group out of a community by widely denying them services.

And then the historical baggage comes in from certain groups having long-standing issues with services such as lunch counter service.

638 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:27:21am

re: #633 wrenchwench

Gay and happy? Are they stealing that word now?!? Are they going to steal the whole dictionary to describe their perverted ‘lifestyles’???!?

Pffftt.

Image: 1250280500-gorgeous_george_cropped.jpg

639 erik_t  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:27:28am

re: #617 Feline Fearless Leader

And I picked a pretty clearly (and widely) distasteful example on purpose.

Given that (in the US) swastikas are not illegal symbols, what would be the legal basis for denying someone requesting Hitler-Cake to be made? Or for enforcing that it be made since it is not illegal?

No real idea. Again, not a lawyer.

I assume there’s some sort of blanket-obscenity-rule, otherwise we’d see the anon/script-kiddie crowd abuse this sort of thing.

HURR HURR WHY CAN’T I PUT UP A GIANT SIGN SAYING ‘FUCK YOUR MOM’ ON MY LAWN, FREEDOM OF SPEECH MANNNNN

I don’t know exactly what legal mechanism is in place to make this not happen, but there clearly is one.

640 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:28:02am

defending racist rodeo clowns

the missouri rodeo cowboy association can tell that the act was offensive and has issued a statement that says as much

now, if the missouri rodeo cowboy association is a bunch of pansy ass politically correct hypersensitive socialist muslims, i am gineral custer

mah advice would be to please direct any future trools to take the issue up with the MRCA

641 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:28:46am

re: #628 Vicious Babushka
Walmart ended up making the cake- the most recent article that I’ve found so far doesn’t say who contacted CPS, but at the time of the article, the couple didn’t have custody of any of their children, including a newborn taken right away. . still looking for an update but have to say- if the father is as clueless as his comments indicate such as “Adolph Hitler is a cute name” and his inability to grasp just why people are confused about naming a child Aryan Nation…even as a middle name I’m not hopeful about the future of his children…

642 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:29:04am

re: #634 Mattand

I’m still upset about DF’s “I’m with Coulter on Stop and Frisk” bullshit.

I alluded to it my post earlier, but it’s really getting upsetting to see people who I think are intelligent essentially endorse this kind of casual racism. The fact they’re my age (mid-40s) or younger makes it worse. We were supposed to be done with this fucking shit by the time I was this old.

I’ve seen liberals do some stupid things, but nothing along the lines of the way racism is becoming a core conservative value.

We won’t ever be done with this shit, just like we won’t ever be done with any of the other easier-than-real-work ways people use to make themselves feel better about themselves superior to someone else.

Settle in for the long haul.

643 Kragar  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:29:11am

re: #638 Decatur Deb

Pffftt.

Image: 1250280500-gorgeous_george_cropped.jpg

Image: 178021.jpg?v=1

645 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:30:59am

re: #636 Kragar

I’m just laughing at the thought of all the wingnuts who are going to say this guy ruined wrestling forever.

The funny thing is pro wrestling has always had very obvious homosexual overtones.

646 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:31:04am

Not only did he not get Adolph Back- he got a divorcek

647 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:32:41am

re: #643 Kragar

Why are the faces and hands three shades lighter than their bodies? It’s like they pulled a reverse Romney.

648 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:34:31am

re: #646 DisturbedEma

Not only did he not get Adolph Back- he got a divorcek

Ooops Just estranged…from current wife and mom of Adolph- comments are from first wife who refused to name their child together Lucifer…but named him after his father instead…ironic given the picture of dad in this article

649 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:35:22am

re: #645 Eclectic Cyborg

The funny thing is pro wrestling has always had very obvious homosexual overtones.

Bruno Sammartino would like to introduce you to the Pendulum Backbreaker.

en.wikipedia.org

650 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:37:43am

re: #648 DisturbedEma

I wonder what the Nazi regulations on ponytails were.

651 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:39:14am

In somewhat related news, an awkward moment when a former coworker, one I adored and respected, came for coffee and brought me articles about the political “situation” they were all from Breibart. . oh how the mighty have fallen

652 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:40:40am

re: #650 Carlos Danger

Need approval for one- but see his shirt says he a boss- but French Braids are considered treason…unless they include the Vichy twist
;)

653 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 11:47:13am

re: #636 Kragar

I’m just laughing at the thought of all the wingnuts who are going to say this guy ruined wrestling forever.

They should have lived in ancient Greece. What would they have done then?


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