Overnight Jam: Coheed and Cambria, Number City

Medical emergency, with bears
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Official music video for Coheed and Cambria’s track, Number City.
www.coheedandcambria.com

Directed and Animated by: Jonathan “Dropbear” Chong
Bear puppets made by Cat rabbit
http://catrabbit.com.au/
Hand model and animation assistant: Amanda Harcourt
Edit, visual effects and colour grade: Jonathan Chong
Thanks to: Thao Lee, Steven Schram, Fraggle and everyone at Studio154
Produced in 5 weeks including all pre production, animation edit, grade and VFX.
Shot with a Canon 5DmkII & Dragonframe

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232 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:07:25pm

This song is freaking great. Now looking for an album by these guys.

2 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:07:41pm

Thanks for a great blog, Charles!

3 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:11:56pm

Pro tip: All of Coheed and Cambria’s albums tell a unified story.

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:13:35pm

re: #3 Lidane

Pro tip: All of Coheed and Cambria’s albums tell a unified story.

Never heard of them. Now I’m a fan.

5 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:15:12pm
6 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:29:40pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Never heard of them. Now I’m a fan.

My first exposure to their music was seeing the trailer for 9 a few years back.

7 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:37:53pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Never heard of them. Now I’m a fan.

I like them. I’ve been a fan for a few years now. They’re interesting.

For whatever reason some people keep comparing these guys to The Mars Volta. I think those people are tone deaf. They’re not even close to the same type of band. Coheed seem to be a more accessible band while The Mars Volta will easily wander off into jazz-style improvs and solos that will take a song in all kinds of directions.

8 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:44:41pm

We just got an Amber alert here in Oklahoma..A murderer just abducted a 6 yr old boy..All the details like car ID and descriptions were given….This doesn’t sound like it’s going to turn out well..
Calling all Angels..
Poor little 6 yr old tonight..Comfort the terror..Be Safe little guy..

9 BongCrodny  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:57:44pm

Koo koo birds spotted in the great Northeast:

13 Members Flee Republican Party

In a letter dated yesterday (pasted below) Maine’s Republican National Committee Member, six state committee members and six members of the party (including their 2006 congressional nominee Scott D’Amboise) have resigned and/or unenrolled from the Republican Party.

One of the things they were pissed off about was Governor LePage’s veto of a bill that would have allowed the sale of raw milk.

FREEDOM!!

10 freetoken  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:07:54pm

re: #9 BongCrodny

Sounds like the glibertarians are upset that the governor wants to govern.

11 freetoken  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:08:14pm

Not that the governor of Maine isn’t a wingnut himself.

12 freetoken  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:11:04pm

Reportedly 1937:

MP3 Audio

13 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:11:45pm

re: #9 BongCrodny

Koo koo birds spotted in the great Northeast:

13 Members Flee Republican Party

One of the things they were pissed off about was Governor LePage’s veto of a bill that would have allowed the sale of raw milk.

FREEDOM!!

Yeah, but they left to go Libertarian.

14 BongCrodny  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:16:24pm

re: #11 freetoken

Not that the governor of Maine isn’t a wingnut himself.

Right, there’s a story circulating up here that at a fundraiser a week ago, Governor 38% was heard to say “Obama hates white people.” Apparently, there were several witnesses to the incident.

LePage is kind of like Governor Archie Bunker in the flesh.

15 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:25:18pm

re: #14 BongCrodny

LePage is kind of like Governor Archie Bunker in the flesh.

Except that for all his bluster, Archie Bunker was still able to change and adapt. LePage? Not so much.

16 freetoken  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:29:59pm

More proof that UNIONS DESTROY JOBS!! :

Unionized SF strip club closing its curtains

Nearly two decades after they made the nation gawk by forming its first unionized strip club, the dancers at San Francisco’s Lusty Lady are hanging up their thongs.

The employee-owned, co-op club will close in two weeks because it can no longer afford its rent.


[…]

17 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:29:59pm

Rick Perry In Talks To Accept Obamacare Funding For Elderly

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), an ardent opponent of the Affordable Care Act, is in talks with Obama administration officials to accept an estimated $100 million in care for the elderly and disabled through Obamacare, Politico reported Tuesday night.

18 freetoken  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:30:55pm

Because Canada is Evul:


U.S. Sen. Cruz of Texas says he renounces Canadian citizenship

19 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:34:47pm

re: #18 freetoken

Because Canada is Evul:

U.S. Sen. Cruz of Texas says he renounces Canadian citizenship

Sorry Ted, but you know the rules: If it didn’t happen on continental US territory, you’re not naturalized. Sorry.

20 freetoken  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:34:47pm

GOHMERT!! warned us about this:

Man banned from farms after admitting sex with goat

Read more: upi.com

It was only last month that the UK legalized gay marriage… and now English men are f*cking goats.

/Just wait for it.

21 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:44:19pm

re: #9 BongCrodny

Koo koo birds spotted in the great Northeast:

13 Members Flee Republican Party

One of the things they were pissed off about was Governor LePage’s veto of a bill that would have allowed the sale of raw milk.

FREEDOM!!

Raw Milk —how stupid is that?

Does anyone read history?

22 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:45:22pm

The bear in the video looks like some strange kind of owl.

23 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:46:54pm

Been all over the web trying to figure-out what and when any possible dog shows Brat Puppy may qualify for (obedience) in the next 6 months.

I swear the dog show world is more confusing than the IRS.

24 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:59:21pm

IRS faces lawsuit for failing to enforce church electioneering ban

The Internal Revenue Service was unable to suppress a lawsuit over its failure to audit thousand of churches that allegedly violated federal tax law by engaging in partisan advocacy.

U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman of the Western District of Wisconsin on Monday denied a motion to dismiss a lawsuit brought by the Freedom From Religion Foundation against the IRS.

“If it is true that the IRS has a policy of not enforcing the prohibition on campaigning against religious organizations, then the IRS is conferring a benefit on religious organizations (the ability to participate in political campaigns) that it denies to all other 501(c)(3) organizations, including the Foundation,” Adelman wrote.

25 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:29:22pm

re: #21 FemNaziBitch

Yeah. As much as it pains me to say, I agree with Gov. LePage on this one.

26 freetoken  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:59:09pm

MP3 Audio

27 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 1:27:27am

re: #21 FemNaziBitch

Raw milk is a FREEDOMMMM issue here in Wisconsin.

A Wisconsin Victory for Raw Milk
Good news for raw milk consumers and advocates.

Raw milk consumers and advocates have both deserved and needed of taste of good news for some time now. Last week, they got their wish.

That’s when a Wisconsin jury found area farmer and activist Vernon Hershberger not guilty of three out of four criminal charges against him. The case, in which the state argued that Hershberger had been producing and selling milk without the proper licenses, galvanized small farm advocates and consumers of raw milk around the country and garnered coverage in The Wall Street Journal, NPR, and other national outlets.

Hershberger faced criminal charges for allegedly operating a retail store without a license, operating a dairy plant without a license, producing milk without a license, and violating a “holding order” issued by the state that required him literally to hold perishable food on his farm while the state decided what—if anything—he could do with it.

Yeah real victory for FREEDOM!!!111!TYyy

The GOP want’s to raise the speed limit to 70 too. More FREEEDOOMMM!!!!!!L!Y!y

Meanwhile they crush dissent by arresting singers, stripping unions of power etc. Plus so much other shit it would make a billy goat puke.

Yay. Freedom.

28 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 1:29:52am

coheed and cambria

most awesome vamp had me listening closely trying to figure out how they layered all that shit together

most interesting band i’ve heard in a dog’s age

29 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 3:37:58am

re: #27 Amory Blaine

Remind me not to buy anything dairy from Wisconsin.

That is all.

30 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 3:46:41am

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

Remind me not to buy anything dairy from Wisconsin.

That is all.

I am not worried as long as it is clearly labelled -

31 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 3:49:18am

Between the Polio situation and the War on Pasteurization, I may stay off the internet the rest of the day.

32 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:08:25am

re: #31 FemNaziBitch

Between the Polio situation and the War on Pasteurization, I may stay off the internet the rest of the day.

Great…..a War on Pasteurization. Just what we need.

I wonder why UHT milk never took off in the United States; it’s so ubiquitous here in Europe I don’t ever think about it not being here. Of course, I can buy fresh milk, pasteurized of course, but I like being able to buy that 1 liter carton of milk, and putting it on the shelf where it can happily sit - unrefrigerated - for up to six months.

I’ve never seen it in the US. Maybe it’s just one of those things that my fellow Americans would look at it, read the expiration date six months hence, and say, “Ewwwww! It’s Frankenmilk!” and put it back on the shelf.

You can read about UHT here: en.wikipedia.org

33 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:23:43am
34 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:26:29am

re: #18 freetoken

Because Canada is Evul:

U.S. Sen. Cruz of Texas says he renounces Canadian citizenship

Fine with me. We dont want him anyway.

35 BongCrodny  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:30:51am

re: #27 Amory Blaine

Meanwhile they crush dissent by arresting singers, stripping unions of power etc. Plus so much other shit it would make a billy goat puke.

Yay. Freedom.

Speaking of which, check this out:

Police Investigate Maine Egg Farm Shooting Death

TURNER, Maine — A pest-control contractor who was shooting at vermin in a Moark Egg Farm barn on Monday afternoon mortally shot a farmhand, according Assistant Attorney General William Stokes. The farmhand died en route to the hospital.

It wasn’t intentional, so it’s all good, amirite?

It should be noted that in 2012 the Maine Legislature passed — yes, it was a party line vote — “An Act To Amend The Labor Laws Relating To Certain Agricultural Employees.”

Here’s the summary of that bill:

This bill removes the provision that requires that individuals employed for or at an egg processing facility that has over 300,000 laying birds be paid overtime. It also repeals the laws that govern labor relations between agricultural workers and an agricultural employer that operates an egg processing facility that has over 500,000 laying birds and that employs more than 100 agricultural employees.

Shorter version: it takes away employees’ rights to overtime and it takes away employees’ collective bargaining rights.

You think a union rep might have had a question or two about an exterminator shooting a rifle in a barn with human workers?

36 BongCrodny  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:32:57am

re: #18 freetoken

Because Canada is Evul:

U.S. Sen. Cruz of Texas says he renounces Canadian citizenship

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Fine with me. We dont want him anyway.

On the odd chance that the country is looking for a President who is intelligent, surrendering your Canadian citizenship hardly seems like the way to prove it.

37 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:48:27am

[Greenwald font]IT TEH WORSTEST THING EVER EVER!!! IT WAS LIKE BEING IN THE HOLOCAUST ONLY EVEN WORSER!!!1111[/Greenwald font]

38 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:50:49am

[Greenwald font]WE’RE TEH JOURNALISTS AND WE’RE TRYING TO DO A BUNCH OF JOURNALISM HERE!!!11!![/Greenwald font]

39 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:54:43am

re: #37 Vicious Babushka

They didn’t seize them, they asked them for him and he gave them up.

Right?

40 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:55:32am

re: #39 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

They didn’t seize them, they asked them for him and he gave them up.

Right?

BUT WAS HE WATERBOARDED?

Or did they just not say “Pretty please, with a cherry on top?”

41 Mattand  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:02:14am

re: #27 Amory Blaine

Raw milk is a FREEDOMMMM issue here in Wisconsin.

A Wisconsin Victory for Raw Milk
Good news for raw milk consumers and advocates.

Yeah real victory for FREEDOM!!!111!TYyy

The GOP want’s to raise the speed limit to 70 too. More FREEEDOOMMM!!!!!!L!Y!y

Meanwhile they crush dissent by arresting singers, stripping unions of power etc. Plus so much other shit it would make a billy goat puke.

Yay. Freedom.

It’s also a victory for all of the diseases pasteurization kills off.

These idiots are also probably anti-vax as well.

America: putting the “dumb” in freedom since 1776.

42 A Mom Anon  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:09:28am

Here’s a pro tip for these nimrods from A Mom:

If you say you’re a journalist, then don’t be a lying sack of crap. Saying you’re a journalist doesn’t make you one. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Put up or shut up.

I’m so sick of all these self serving over privileged assholes I could scream. Got a story to tell? Tell it. Don’t sit there all smug with this “I know something you don’t know-neener neener” bullshit. If you have something people should know and you’re sitting on it weeks later, getting caught in lies over and over, doing stunts to make yourself the main story and having tantrum after tantrum at people who are challenging your lying ass then you aren’t a journalist. You’re writing a “reality” TV show on the fly.

Through all this, I haven’t seen one blockbuster revelation. Anyone who read the PATRIOT Act knows that there’s a huge security apparatus at work both here and abroad, duh. It’s run by humans, and therefore not entirely immune to abuse and error. Do I like that? Nope. But I also know that large corporations have as much as, if not more information about me than the US government does. I also would still like to know where all these people who are falling in line behind The GG Dance Machine were when the PATRIOT Act was signed into law. Most likely calling people like me who read it and were alarmed by it traitors and liberal communist socialist maoist marxist freaks who should be deported for being Anti American.

I’m over it. Call me when these douchebags actually come up with something I should lose sleep over.

43 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:10:40am

re: #42 A Mom Anon

I love your rants. I wish I could give each one 1,000 updings.

44 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:17:40am

re: #41 Mattand

It’s also a victory for all of the diseases pasteurization kills off.

These idiots are also probably anti-vax as well.

America: putting the “dumb” in freedom since 1776.

I hope they people behind these laws are do not see government labelling requirements as nother form of creeping fascism. As long as the product is clearly labelled and you are wiling to live with the risks involved, I have no problem with it.

45 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:27:21am

UGH.
Teh Twitters is erupting with racism over this horrific OK shooting.

46 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:34:48am

HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY LIES!!!!

47 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:37:43am

Now the Dudebros are claiming the reason no “hard drives” are shown in the photo is because “Government confiscated them!!!1!!”

48 Mattand  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:40:56am

re: #44 Sol Berdinowitz

I hope they people behind these laws are do not see government labelling requirements as nother form of creeping fascism. As long as the product is clearly labelled and you are wiling to live with the risks involved, I have no problem with it.

I’m focused on the fact that people are rejecting proven health measures because of all sorts of logical fallacies. The primary one here being the natural fallacy; if it’s natural, it has to be healthier.

It just bugs me that at this point in human history, with all of our achievements and advances in fighting disease, that people (particularly Americans) still act like you can cure cancer by applying leeches to the patient.

I’ve heard it said that total freedom means the freedom to be stupid. The US certainly reinforces that every day.

49 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:42:38am

Yo Inez!

50 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:46:59am

re: #48 Mattand

I’ve said it before but I’d like to make the anti-vaxxers & these “raw milk” idiots have to go around to all the little cemeteries here in the “Dairy State” and make them note all the graves of children under 5 and women who died in childbirth or birth related infections often passed by unpasteurized milk. Assholes.

51 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:51:28am
52 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:09:51am

re: #50 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ve said it before but I’d like to make the anti-vaxxers & these “raw milk” idiots have to go around to all the little cemeteries here in the “Dairy State” and make them note all the graves of children under 5 and women who died in childbirth or birth related infections often passed by unpasteurized milk. Assholes.

IMO, milk is gross. I hate the taste of it. I’ll cook with it if a recipe requires it, but I don’t drink it.

The thought of drinking unpasteurized milk makes me gag. Why the hell would anyone that’s not a calf want to do that? Bleah.

53 A Mom Anon  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:19:05am

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

And yet, they were strangely silent over yesterday’s school shooting in Atlanta….hmm. I can’t imagine why that is..(ok so no one in Atlanta was hurt by the grace of god and smart humans. But still, if the worst had happened, I don’t think there would have been an eruption at all from the usual suspects)…I cannot even guess….because only blackity black black people kill anyone with any gun ever.

Idiots.

54 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:19:09am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that Wisconsin is attempting to outdo France in demanding the ability to sell unpasteurized milk products.

There’s very good health reasons to pasteurize products. Eliminating food-borne diseases is one.

Opponents argue that those risks are minimal and the food tastes better if it isn’t pasteurized.

Do you really want to take a chance with food production when a key public health step is excluded? I wouldn’t.

But here’s the thing about anti-vaxxers and raw milk advocates. They have benefited from the elimination of scourges and diseases that killed tremendous numbers of people. They now prey on those who think that these diseases are trifles and that the risks are minimal.

Polio is still around and risks lives. While it’s largely confined to failed states like Somalia, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan (among others), there is wild polio virus that could potentially infect vulnerable populations and the herd immunity could be challenged. Israel has run tests finding wild polio in the northern part of the country. It’s running a vaccination campaign to get people to vaccinate their kids. People simply don’t understand what these diseases did to communities when they ran rampant.

The anti-vaxxers run on flawed logic, bs, and fear. Chief among them is continuing to spread the autism link that has been thoroughly debunked. Then they claim that the vaccines introduce more than the developing immune system of kids can handle - all ignoring that anyone on the planet is exposed to tremendous numbers of antibodies in every single breath taken, every surface touched, every morsel of food or beverage ingested. We are completely surrounded by challenges to the immune system, and vaccinations take advantage of this to protect against some of the worst diseases we’ve encountered.

55 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:19:48am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

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If it’s time to pick sides, The Guardian has obviously picked theirs. It’s not mine.

56 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:21:15am

The Dudebros are closing ranks.


Firedoglake! Hahahahahaha!

57 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:22:46am

Just in case you thought RWNJ’s had stopped Derping while we were focused on the Dudebros:

58 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:23:03am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

The Dudebros are closing ranks.

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Firedoglake! Hahahahahaha!

Someone posted on Sirota’s employment yesterday—he has been in those ranks for some time now.

59 A Mom Anon  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:24:09am

re: #52 Lidane

Milk is only meant for cookies. Or perhaps donuts, maybe pie or cake.

But the Great and Powerful Cheesus (in whose name we pray, amen), that’s a whole other issue.

Anyone who shuns pasteurization is an idiot who puts other people at risk from disease. It would be different if they were only endangering themselves, but some stuff is contagious and becomes a public safety issue.

Your rights end where mine begin, that’s a rather large feature of this big experiment in Democracy we’re trying to run here.

60 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:26:51am

And the word coming out of Syria is that hundreds were killed in a chemical weapons attack near Damascus. The rebels and human rights groups are pinning this on Assad’s forces. France is taking the matter to the UN to demand investigations into the events, but will this lead to further action? I seriously doubt it.

This isn’t the first chemical weapons attacks that have happened, let alone verified. The UN isn’t acting, not with Russia and China covering for Assad to date. Would a mass casualty event change this? I don’t think so.

Moreover, NATO and the US are not likely to intervene, especially when there’s such a fractured opposition and the Islamists, including al Qaeda, may exploit any effects to hem in or topple Assad to their own ends.

Assad is running the updated Hama rules against the opposition to his regime. He’s still in power and fighting a war of attrition where time seems to be on his side. Using chemical weapons would be the mark of a desperate leader, but they may be sensing that a final push might be all that’s needed to roll up the remaining opposition and wind down the fight. I think that it’s a misreading of the situation on Assad’s part since it will likely redouble the efforts by the opposition to topple the regime since they see just how desperate Assad is and the willingness to use all the weapons at the regime’s disposal to eliminate its political opposition.

61 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:28:53am

re: #57 Vicious Babushka

Just in case you thought RWNJ’s had stopped Derping while we were focused on the Dudebros:

Welfare pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states… t.co Why would anyone work? #tcot #lnyhbt #Obama #LiberalLogic
— Danny (@marineopsguy) August 21, 2013

Maybe true. I would think welfare give you enough to live on, min wage does not. That is why many min wage earners have to take welfare to make it. Why do they point at welfare as the problem, the min wage point may be the problem to look into.

62 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:31:14am

re: #52 Lidane

IMO, milk is gross. I hate the taste of it. I’ll cook with it if a recipe requires it, but I don’t drink it.

The thought of drinking unpasteurized milk makes me gag. Why the hell would anyone that’s not a calf want to do that? Bleah.

there are certain varieties of cheeses that can only be made from unpasteurized milk…once again, fine if they are clearly labelled and the consumer is willing to take the risks.

63 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:31:47am

Imagine my surprise that the back-to-school gear marketed as being bullet-proof or resistant to address the number of school shootings doesn’t make the grade.

But some security experts say safety-conscious supplies like whiteboards-turned-shields are impractical at best, and a diversion from real life-saving resources at worst.

“It may be well-intended but it’s not well thought-out,” said Ken Trump, a Cleveland-based school safety consultant and father of young kids.

“I would ask this question: If you need a bulletproof backpack, wouldn’t the child also need a bulletproof front pack and a helmet and a Captain America shield?”

He noted that children often don’t have their backpacks nearby when they’re in school.

“I have a vision of a classroom of kids running down a gym court playing basketball with their backpacks on,” he said. “And the ballistic whiteboard? Is the teacher going to tell 25 kids to line up behind at the right angle?”

Keeping the guns out of the hands of those who seek to do harm is a logical and appropriate first step. Finding ways to secure schools to keep those that wish harm from entering is another. Putting kids into bulletproof gear? That’s not an effective use of resources.

64 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:33:39am

re: #63 lawhawk

Imagine my surprise that the back-to-school gear marketed as being bullet-proof or resistant to address the number of school shootings doesn’t make the grade.

Keeping the guns out of the hands of those who seek to do harm is a logical and appropriate first step. Finding ways to secure schools to keep those that wish harm from entering is another. Putting kids into bulletproof gear? That’s not an effective use of resources.

At least we didn’t have to pay to ‘duck and cover’.

65 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:34:53am

re: #61 Eventual Carrion

Maybe true. I would think welfare give you enough to live on, min wage does not. That is why many min wage earners have to take welfare to make it. Why do they point at welfare as the problem, the min wage point may be the problem to look into.

The obvious solution: raise the minimum wage.

The wingnut solution: lower (or eliminate) the welfare assistance.

Also wingnuts seem to have this idée fixée that everyone on assistance DOES NOT WORK, when in fact most Walmart and other sub-minimum wage earners receive assistance.

66 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:35:46am

The wingnut/moonbat convergence: GG links to PJMedia

67 A Mom Anon  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:36:05am

re: #57 Vicious Babushka

And that’s your case for a living wage right there asshole, if it was true, which it isn’t. These idiots have no idea that to get “welfare” you have to work, AND you can only collect it for 5 years in total your entire adult life.

A minimum wage full time job brings in a big old 15K a year. These howler monkeys are using the word”equates” as a weasel word to make people hate on the poor some more- getting people to think that you get over 40K a year for doing nothing. In reality, you have to have a job but you cannot make over a certain amount of money (1000 a month I think) in order to collect any kind of “government check”.

I can’t believe, like so many other things, we’re STILL having these idiotic arguments while rich people are robbing the country blind and the middle class is disappearing at an alarming rate of speed.

68 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:36:23am

re: #61 Eventual Carrion

Maybe true. I would think welfare give you enough to live on, min wage does not. That is why many min wage earners have to take welfare to make it. Why do they point at welfare as the problem, the min wage point may be the problem to look into.

There is a whole other matter that this topic of discussion is continually derping around: namely that there is an innate value to work above and beyond its market value.

And it does play a big role in maintaining a healthy and stable social order and sense of proportion, belonging and self-esteem, as well as serving as an exemplary role to children.

Both sides of the argument rely on these principles to some extent, but in the end, if work is such an honorable end in itself as is maintained, why can’t we see to it that is honored with enough money to live off of without relying on government aid to remain above the poverty level?

69 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:36:39am
70 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:37:22am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

The obvious solution: raise the minimum wage.

The wingnut solution: lower (or eliminate) the welfare assistance.

Also wingnuts seem to have this idée fixée that everyone on assistance DOES NOT WORK, when in fact most Walmart and other sub-minimum wage earners receive assistance.

But.. but… If we give money to Those People, how can we afford redundant F-35 engines? Will no one think of the warfare queens?

71 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:37:51am

re: #60 lawhawk

Might also be Assad taking advantage of Egypt and Greenwald topping the news reports and thus thinking he can strike and not be paid attention to. (Though obviously the various governments will still be watching.)

72 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:38:39am

re: #62 Sol Berdinowitz

there are certain varieties of cheeses that can only be made from unpasteurized milk…once again, fine if they are clearly labelled and the consumer is willing to take the risks.

I’ve got no issue with cheese. Cheese is awesome. Just try to sell me a slice of pizza without cheese or with a non-dairy option. I’ll ask why you’re selling me a crust with toppings instead of a pizza. Heh. I also like ice cream.

I just can’t drink milk. It tastes terrible to me. Cooking with it is fine. Drinking it? Not so much. Almond or coconut milk in my cereal FTW!

73 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:40:50am

re: #72 Lidane

I’ve got no issue with cheese. Cheese is awesome. Just try to sell me a slice of pizza without cheese or with a non-dairy option. I’ll ask why you’re selling me a crust with toppings instead of a pizza. Heh. I also like ice cream.

I just can’t drink milk. It tastes terrible to me. Cooking with it is fine. Drinking it? Not so much. Almond or coconut milk in my cereal FTW!

So the Lidane Milk Emporium would be the cleanest in the district?
;)

74 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:43:31am

re: #73 Feline Fearless Leader

So the Lidane Milk Emporium would be the cleanest in the district?
;)

The Lidane Milk Emporium would be a sign pointing you to the nearest grocerey stores. Hehe.

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:47:50am

re: #74 Lidane

The Lidane Milk Emporium would be a sign pointing you to the nearest grocerey stores. Hehe.

So it would be a sort of zen business then. The business of not being in business.

76 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:49:00am

re: #52 Lidane

IMO, milk is gross. I hate the taste of it. I’ll cook with it if a recipe requires it, but I don’t drink it.

The thought of drinking unpasteurized milk makes me gag. Why the hell would anyone that’s not a calf want to do that? Bleah.

Raw milk is really good, if you have your own Jersey dairy cow, as we did during my childhood.

Cool it down in the refrigerator, let the cream rise to the top.
Skim off the cream & save it for cooking, coffee, homemade butter, home made ice cream.

Coming in inside on a hot central Florida day, after working on the ranch or simply playing; Nothing like a large glass of whole milk for refreshment.

77 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:49:06am

re: #57 Vicious Babushka

And of course the takeaway from that for the wingnuts is not that the minimum wage is too LOW, but that welfare payments are too HIGH.

78 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:49:40am

re: #74 Lidane

The Lidane Milk Emporium would be a sign pointing you to the nearest grocerey stores. Hehe.

Your business activity looks like it could only be monetized as an e-enterprise.

79 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:50:26am

OF COURSE YOU KNOW THIS MEANS WAR!!!!!!

80 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:51:19am

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Your business activity looks like it could only be monetized as an e-enterprise.

Free dowloadable app filled with ads. Or, if you hate the ads, pay me a premium to get rid of them. ;)

81 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:52:17am

re: #79 Vicious Babushka

So, does this mean if I ignore anything Sirota is writing - and give a firm no comment, I’ve declared war on him?

Cool.

82 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:52:18am

re: #80 Lidane

Free dowloadable app filled with ads. Or, if you hate the ads, pay me a premium to get rid of them. ;)

Will there lolcats? There must be lolcats—and kittens.

83 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:54:26am

re: #80 Lidane

Free dowloadable app filled with ads. Or, if you hate the ads, pay me a premium to get rid of them. ;)

Tablet and Iphone/smartphone apps is the new frontier for making money in software development. All you have to do is look at the market saturation on devices, the sales numbers, and where the growth segments are.

84 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:55:44am

re: #83 Feline Fearless Leader

Is an iPad w/ 32 gig of any value for playing Civ4/Civ5?

85 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:57:08am

re: #76 BeenHereAwhile

Raw milk is really good, if you have your own Jersey dairy cow, as we did during my childhood.

Cool it down in the refrigerator, let the cream rise to the top.
Skim off the cream & save it for cooking, coffee, homemade butter, home made ice cream.

Coming in inside on a hot central Florida day, after working on the ranch or simply playing; Nothing like a large glass of whole milk for refreshment.

AND if you’re very careful about your sanitation and handling procedures. Not everyone is - my cousin’s dairy farm was rated only “C” meaning legally all that milk was safe for was dried milk.

86 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:57:51am

re: #81 lawhawk

So, does this mean if I ignore anything Sirota is writing - and give a firm no comment, I’ve declared war on him?

Cool.

He who is not with me is a whore of the state.

87 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:59:45am
88 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:00:45am

re: #83 Feline Fearless Leader

Tablet and Iphone/smartphone apps is the new frontier for making money in software development. All you have to do is look at the market saturation on devices, the sales numbers, and where the growth segments are.

I recently saw a talk from two CEO’s here in Austin talking about the mobile market. They argued that iPhone/iPad users are where the money is because they’re far more engaged in their products. Android users tend to see their devices as replacements or they’re more interested in free downloads rather than paying the premium. I thought it was interesting.

89 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:00:47am

Bradley Manning sentencing about to be handed down. Batten down the hatches!

90 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:01:07am

re: #84 Decatur Deb

Is an iPad w/ 32 gig of any value for playing Civ4/Civ5?

I would say that you could probably get a lot of different games onto the memory - whether the screen size allowed them to be that enjoyable to play would be the big question to me. I think the 14” notepad screens are annoyingly small for a large number of games where you want to see a wide expanse of something like a map without having to scroll a lot or zoom out so far you lose definition and details.

(Is that a dwarf, or a dragon?)

91 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:01:14am

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

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“Journo capacity?” Ah, STFU Sirota.

92 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:01:37am

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

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How do you spell “Hell, yes”?

93 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:02:16am

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

Nice assumption there - that Miranda was an innocent being harassed.

94 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:02:23am

Maybe he got tired of defending Steve King:

95 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:02:57am

“Bradley Manning’s sentence today is a watershed moment for mankind.”

96 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:03:40am

Sheriff Joe is not a happy camper and I can’t really blame him this time around.

Ariz. sheriff: Armed militias beware or be shot

His unapologetically terse comments came Tuesday after a member of an Arizona Minuteman border-watch movement was arrested over the weekend for pointing a rifle at a Maricopa County sheriff’s deputy he apparently mistook for a drug smuggler.

97 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:04:17am

re: #93 Feline Fearless Leader

Nice assumption there - that Miranda was an innocent being harassed.

Sirota stands by his firm belief that every citizen has the absolute right to carry around stolen national security documents across international borders without anyone ever saying rude things!

98 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:04:21am

re: #90 Feline Fearless Leader

Thought the portable graphics might be nice, but the in/out might not even be doable. The new proprietary ‘lightning’ port is offensive.

99 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:04:55am

#WarOnJournalism is it a hashtag?

100 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:06:01am

re: #96 Bubblehead II

Sheriff Joe is not a happy camper and I can’t really blame him this time around.

Ariz. sheriff: Armed militias beware or be shot

His unapologetically terse comments came Tuesday after a member of an Arizona Minuteman border-watch movement was arrested over the weekend for pointing a rifle at a Maricopa County sheriff’s deputy he apparently mistook for a drug smuggler.

So, he’s now upset that his fellow travelers in extremism, the Minutemen, pointed their guns at his law enforcement officers?

When you’ve lost Sheriff Joe, you’ve lost.

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:07:05am

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Thought the portable graphics might be nice, but the in/out might not even be doable. The new proprietary ‘lightning’ port is offensive.

That too. Any game needing considerable keyboard input, or even serious sub-menu access to choose options, would probably hit a PITA/enjoyment wall pretty quickly due to the work involved to carry out simple tasks or options in the game.

Sort of like how heavily they dumbed down some PC -> Console games simply due to interface issues.

102 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:07:13am

re: #96 Bubblehead II

Sheriff Joe is not a happy camper and I can’t really blame him this time around.

Ariz. sheriff: Armed militias beware or be shot

His unapologetically terse comments came Tuesday after a member of an Arizona Minuteman border-watch movement was arrested over the weekend for pointing a rifle at a Maricopa County sheriff’s deputy he apparently mistook for a drug smuggler.

So he creates an environment of paranoia about ZOMG BROWN PEOPLE coming over the border to kill people and destroy America and then gets mad when some other paranoid lunatic points a gun at his own men?

Pfft. He made his own mess.

103 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:07:19am

re: #99 Vicious Babushka

IT is now.

104 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:08:07am

Japan to issue gravest warning since quake on Fukushima nuclear plant leaks

Japan is poised to declare a toxic water leak at the Fukushima nuclear plant a level 3 “serious incident,” its gravest warning since the massive 2011 earthquake and tsunami that sent three reactors into meltdown.

The country’s Nuclear Regulation Authority said the leak was expected to be classified as a level 3 incident on the International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale pending confirmation from the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency.

“The current situation is at the point where more surveillance won’t be enough to keep the accidents from happening,” Shunichi Tanaka, chairman of the authority, said at a news conference Wednesday.

105 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:08:48am

re: #103 lawhawk

IT is now.

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:09:19am

re: #100 lawhawk

So, he’s now upset that his fellow travelers in extremism, the Minutemen, pointed their guns at his law enforcement officers?

When you’ve lost Sheriff Joe, you’ve lost.

Did the Minutemen tell the deputy, “Badges? We ain’t got no badges. We don’t need no badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges.”

107 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:09:59am

re: #102 Lidane

So he creates an environment of paranoia about ZOMG BROWN PEOPLE coming over the border to kill people and destroy America and then gets mad when some other paranoid lunatic points a gun at his own men?

Pfft. He made his own mess.

“Ain’t gonna be no heavily armed half-trained nutcases here except my heavily armed half-trained nutcases.”

108 Carlos Danger  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:10:17am

Germany: Drunk Intruder Parties in his Underwear aboard Angela Merkel’s Private Jet

A 24-year-old bodybuilder of Turkish descent, whose name was given only as Volkan T, boarded the Airbus 319 in a closed military section of Cologne airport, according to a police report leaked to German media.

Carrying a bag full of marijuana and ecstasy pills he crept on to the empty aircraft and started a one-man party that lasted for at least four hours until he was dragged out by security forces.

…

He climbed over a barbed wire fence, crawled on to the left wing of the empty plane and got in through an open emergency exit. Once inside he undressed down to his underpants and started dancing through the chancellor’s office, a conference room, the main cabin and the cockpit.

He sprayed a fire extinguisher around the cabins, released an inflatable emergency slide and danced on the wing, Der Spiegel said. He caused an estimated €100,000 (£85,600) in damage.

109 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:11:28am

The woman I loved in Tucson twenty-five years ago dumped me for a man twice her age and ran off to build a home on the border near Douglas, Arizona.

I hear that she has become a born-again Baptist creationist and he a Minuteman with a 30-foot watchtower in which he sits, armed and ready to defend America from the Brown Invasion.

111 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:12:46am

re: #108 Carlos Danger

Germany: Drunk Intruder Parties in his Underwear aboard Angela Merkel’s Private Jet

They let him go. Turns out, he was journalist. //

112 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:13:07am

Wingnut admits:

POOR PEOPLE & BLAH PEOPLE DO NOT DESERVE TO HAVE HEALTHCARE!

113 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:15:53am

David Sirota is Spam-Tweeting his “WAR ON JOURNALISM!!!!!!11!!!” link.

114 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:16:43am

Well Sheriff Joe isn’t the only one who isn’t happy these nut cases are running around out there. From the same link.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Andy Adame also expressed concern for the safety of both the militia members and Border Patrol agents.
Adame said the civilian groups could easily trigger remote sensors operated by Border Patrol to detect illegal crossers.

“And we respond to them in a manner where we expect to encounter illegal immigrants or drug traffickers,” he said. “We can encounter them (militia members) out in the middle of the desert, which may result in disastrous personal and public safety consequences.”

In short, he noted, someone could get shot and killed, either an agent or a civilian.

115 piratedan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:16:56am

re: #109 Sol Berdinowitz

which sadly does fuck-all about the labyrinthine tunnel complex that currently exists under the town of Douglas and Agua Prieta, but hey, let’s build a fence!

What we have in AZ isn’t an illegal Immigrant problem, it’s more of an inept war on drugs problem that uses illegal immigrants as ready made mules for the cartels own devices for transport, they rob them of the cash that they have to get them into the country and then abandon them when they get caught and if they relocate and are successful, can use their work as a lever in case of need later on. It’s just one more reason to legalize it and recognize the revenue.

116 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:16:57am

re: #104 Pavlovian Hive Mind

And I think that they may be downplaying the seriousness of the radioactive releases too.

TEPCO can’t handle the situation at all. They’re using bandaids to try and handle the water releases, and even the storage tanks that now dot the land behind the reactors is a ticking time bomb (overhead view here). The storage tanks weren’t designed for sustained use - and some of those are leaking too.

They’re using more sturdy tanks, but they’re filling up as fast as they can install them because of all the water needed to keep the fuel assemblies cool until they can disassemble the reactors and storage pools.

Oh, and they’re still having problems getting enough power to the site to operate the backup systems.

I wouldn’t be shocked if they upgrade the disaster level to 4 or 5 in short order since the radiation leaks and water infiltration are indicating contamination beyond the plant confines.

117 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:18:55am

re: #112 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut admits:

POOR PEOPLE & BLAH PEOPLE DO NOT DESERVE TO HAVE HEALTHCARE!

“All the free cell phones, subsidized housing, phony mortgage loans, education programs, ADC payments and trillion dollar healthcare plans have made most people more broke and miserable, not happier. She now agrees.

There may be some bad fat cats out there, sure, but the ruling class of government planners have eaten up more of our financial resources, through redistribution to corrupt companies, NGO’s, Baby Mamas and non-profits than any greedy capitalists. ”

We cannot argue with these people, we can only hope to limit the amount of damage they can cause.

118 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:20:12am

35 years.

119 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:20:30am

re: #104 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Japan to issue gravest warning since quake on Fukushima nuclear plant leaks

I see these stories and have not yet seen any further details on what the contaminants are - and thus the relative danger they pose short- and long- term. “Radioactive” is a fairly broad category and not all radioactive substances act and behave the same, or offer the same level of threat.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:21:21am

re: #109 Sol Berdinowitz

The woman I loved in Tucson twenty-five years ago dumped me for a man twice her age and ran off to build a home on the border near Douglas, Arizona.

I hear that she has become a born-again Baptist creationist and he a Minuteman with a 30-foot watchtower in which he sits, armed and ready to defend America from the Brown Invasion.

El Condor proved that even a fortress and large garrison will not stop Jim Brown.
// ;)

121 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:21:35am
122 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:21:44am

Oh, here we go again. Lede:

The National Security Agency’s surveillance network has the capacity to reach around 75 percent of all U.S. Internet communications in the hunt for foreign intelligence

Having the capacity, and actually doing that are two separate and distinct things.

Having the capability to store all information is one thing. Actually storing the information? Completely different.

The NSA doesn’t want to waste its time chasing after your grandmother’s recipe for that awesome trifle she makes for the holidays, or your kids kindergarten graduation photos.

It wants to know what folks who have no good intentions are up to. It’s a waste of resources to try and sort everything imaginable into its databases and queries. Databases that contain garbage will output garbage. Databases that contain relevant data will generate better output.

Apparently a whole lot of people who are writing about tech issues and the NSA don’t understand the way these systems operate - especially Greenwald and Sirota.

123 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:21:49am
124 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:23:44am

re: #122 lawhawk

Oh, here we go again. Lede:

Having the capacity, and actually doing that are two separate and distinct things.

Having the capability to store all information is one thing. Actually storing the information? Completely different.

The NSA doesn’t want to waste its time chasing after your grandmother’s recipe for that awesome trifle she makes for the holidays, or your kids kindergarten graduation photos.

It wants to know what folks who have no good intentions are up to. It’s a waste of resources to try and sort everything imaginable into its databases and queries. Databases that contain garbage will output garbage. Databases that contain relevant data will generate better output.

Apparently a whole lot of people who are writing about tech issues and the NSA don’t understand the way these systems operate - especially Greenwald and Sirota.

Think of all the seekrits that could be embedded in the eyes of a porno model!

125 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:23:56am

re: #119 Feline Fearless Leader

in.reuters.com

The leak is so contaminated that a person standing 50 cm (1.6 feet) away that, after 10 hours, a worker in that proximity to the leak would develop radiation sickness with symptoms including nausea and a drop in white blood cells.

I’ve seen that the water is contaminated with cesium isotopes with a 137 year half life. The concentration of contamination is 16 times the IAEA limits. They’re also finding tritium contamination as well.

126 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:24:07am

Bradley Manning prison sentence to be reduced by time served to date plus 112 days: judge

127 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:24:37am

re: #85 William Barnett-Lewis

AND if you’re very careful about your sanitation and handling procedures. Not everyone is - my cousin’s dairy farm was rated only “C” meaning legally all that milk was safe for was dried milk.

Milking procedues per my RN mother:

Wash hands, udder & teats before milking by hand.

The stainless steel 2 gal pail of milk went immediately to the kitchen for transfer to large stainless steel pitchers to be placed in refrigerator.

128 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:25:06am
129 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:25:07am
130 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:25:40am
131 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:25:47am

re: #122 lawhawk

Oh, here we go again. Lede:

Having the capacity, and actually doing that are two separate and distinct things.

Having the capability to store all information is one thing. Actually storing the information? Completely different.

The NSA doesn’t want to waste its time chasing after your grandmother’s recipe for that awesome trifle she makes for the holidays, or your kids kindergarten graduation photos.

It wants to know what folks who have no good intentions are up to. It’s a waste of resources to try and sort everything imaginable into its databases and queries. Databases that contain garbage will output garbage. Databases that contain relevant data will generate better output.

Apparently a whole lot of people who are writing about tech issues and the NSA don’t understand the way these systems operate - especially Greenwald and Sirota.

I have the impression they don’t care how they work, or finding out and reporting on it accurately. The narrative is more important.

132 BongCrodny  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:26:35am

re: #109 Sol Berdinowitz

The woman I loved in Tucson twenty-five years ago dumped me for a man twice her age and ran off to build a home on the border near Douglas, Arizona.

I hear that she has become a born-again Baptist creationist and he a Minuteman with a 30-foot watchtower in which he sits, armed and ready to defend America from the Brown Invasion.

The way you describe the situation, it kinda sounds like you won.

133 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:27:22am

re: #132 BongCrodny

The way you describe the situation, it kinda sounds like you won.

Took me most of 20 years to figure that out, but yes…

134 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:27:42am

re: #130 Charles Johnson

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Does he not know who he’s in bed with, or does he just not care?

135 GeneJockey  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:28:00am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

The obvious solution: raise the minimum wage.

The wingnut solution: lower (or eliminate) the welfare assistance.

Also wingnuts seem to have this idée fixée that everyone on assistance DOES NOT WORK, when in fact most Walmart and other sub-minimum wage earners receive assistance.

EVERY, and I mean EVERY solution to economic problems by the Right involves either fucking the poor and the middle and working classes EVEN HARDER, or it involves giving EVEN MORE money to those who already have more than anyone ever in the whole history of ever. Sometimes both.

It is a profoundly sick and servile economic philosophy.

136 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:29:27am

These 2 Tweets showed up right next to each other in my timeline:

137 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:29:28am
138 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:29:32am

re: #125 lawhawk

in.reuters.com

I’ve seen that the water is contaminated with cesium isotopes with a 137 year half life.

That’s another article on scale of immediate contamination without indicating how quickly it might subside, or whether the particular isotopes are ones that readily get absorbed and stored by animals - thus making them a greater health threat.

Where did you see mention it was cesium isotopes?

139 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:32:18am

Dogwalk—BBIAB

140 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:32:19am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

1. Snowden’s not a whistleblower. He’s a thief.

2. CRY MOAR GLENN.

That is all.

141 piratedan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:33:07am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

some whistleblower…. what misdeeds was Manning alleging in his release of personal information regarding US Men and Servicewomen again?

142 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:33:12am

re: #138 Feline Fearless Leader

Here - and they’re finding other isotopes in the waters off the plant as well, indicating that there’s an ongoing polluting source. TEPCO can’t isolate and contain the contamination. Groundwater is moving the contamination into the Pacific, and their attempts to build a barrier aren’t succeeding - the water’s still moving along with the contaminants.

143 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:33:45am
144 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:34:21am
145 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:35:39am

So basically, Manning pretty much lucked out.

146 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:37:08am

Manning admits wrongdoing.

Manning admits that he damaged US national security and put lives in danger.

Manning admits to the theft of classified information.

He gets 35 years (minus time served), and Greenwald thinks that a travesty?

What part of Manning’s admissions of guilt and culpability does he not get?

Oh wait. He knows exactly what this means. It means that Snowden’s likely to get similar treatment for stealing classified information and releasing them to unauthorized persons.

Action - reaction. Crime - punishment. Justice system in action.

But Greenwald doesn’t want justice seen or done. He wants the entire national security apparatus upended and eliminate the operations of the NSA, even though its stated mission and goal is to keep the US safe from threats by eavesdropping on those who may be seeking to do harm to the US.

Greenwald’s hysteria and hysterics are all designed to undermine the NSA’s ability to do its job. It’s not about whistleblowing or civil or human rights.

147 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:38:12am

re: #146 lawhawk

But Greenwald doesn’t want justice seen or done. He wants the entire national security apparatus upended and eliminate the operations of the NSA, even though its stated mission and goal is to keep the US safe from threats by eavesdropping on those who may be seeking to do harm to the US.

Greenwald’s hysteria and hysterics are all designed to undermine the NSA’s ability to do its job. It’s not about whistleblowing or civil or human rights.

What Greenwald wants is to be the center of attention. That is all.

148 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:40:27am
149 Mattand  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:42:28am

re: #148 Charles Johnson

The US will never be able to lecture world again about the value of transparency and press freedoms without triggering a global laughing fit

If I picture supervillians like Doctor Doom or Lex Luthor speaking Greenwald’s tweets, they’re a little easier to take.

150 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:43:39am

How many people have you compromised to get what you want, Greenwald?

151 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:44:45am
152 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:44:53am

Glenn Greenwald, Gloryhound. Doesn’t care who he hurts as long as he gets what he wants.

153 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:45:14am

@GGreenwald will never be able to lecture world again about the value of journalism and press freedoms without triggering a global laughing fit

154 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:46:22am

re: #145 Gus

So basically, Manning pretty much lucked out.

Exactly. He got off remarkably easy for the seriousness of his crimes.

155 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:46:58am

*FACE PALM*

156 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:47:09am

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

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Self Awareness check fail!

157 piratedan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:49:19am

re: #154 Charles Johnson

feel that some of that leniency was compensation for the treatment he had undergone while incarcerated, which I have to admit, didn’t exactly sit well with me. I’m still a naif that thinks incarceration and having your privileges and your life taken away is harsh enough.

158 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:50:09am

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

LMAO.

Like how about the fact that the Greenwald/Guardian blockbuster claims that were previously made public years ago?

Or that of the number of claims of violations, 70% are due to foreign targets of eavesdropping entering the US and the NSA continuing their searches?

Etc.

Or that many of the rest of the so-called violations are typo/clerical errors and not willful and purposeful malfeasance in searching US citizens’ Internet communications.

Or that the NSA has the capabilities to run searches on everything, but it doesn’t actually do so because that’s a waste of resources that are better spent targeting actual threats. Not Sirota’s communications for his grandmothers’ recipes (for example).

159 b.d.  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:50:24am

1/2 an hour in jail for each document stolen.

160 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:50:42am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

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Naw, he’d become a Republican like the Car Thief if that happened.

161 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:51:26am
162 Mattand  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:51:39am

re: #154 Charles Johnson

Exactly. He got off remarkably easy for the seriousness of his crimes.

I’m laboring under the impression that the problem with Manning was his indiscriminate releasing of everything he had to Wikileaks.

I often wonder with Manning that if he just only leaked the video of the gunship mowing down the Iraqi civilians, he’d be in a much different situation.

Does that make sense, or am I off the mark here?

163 Lancelot Link  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:52:41am

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Glenn Greenwald Glenn Beck Glenn Reynolds
ALL GLENNS ARE NOW ONE!

Glenn Danzig: ‘My View on Democrats Is that They’re Fascists Disguised as Liberals’

164 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:55:19am
165 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:55:46am

re: #154 Charles Johnson

35 years. The prosecutors had sought 60, and his defense team 25. It’s going to get reviewed by the Army Court of Criminal Appeals because it involved incarceration of more than a year and/or bad conduct discharge.

The Court could potentially kick it back down for resentencing because it wasn’t sufficiently punitive. I don’t think it will.

It’s not as long as I thought it should be, but Justice Lind had more information available to him than I do/did.

And just because there’s a potential for parole doesn’t mean that he’ll get released at first opportunity.

If anything the decision shows that the government isn’t simply imposing max decisions; they’re seriously weighing the evidence and treating the cases independently and with thoughtfulness that Greenwald and others want to completely ignore.

It shows that Manning got a fair trial and a fair outcome. His partisan backers/supporters don’t like it, and even those who wanted to see the book thrown at him have something to complain about. That shows a level of fairness that objectively indicates that all the relevant factors were taken into consideration - whether it’s the mistreatment in the early phases of his incarceration, to the lengthy sentence for the numbers of crimes admitted and convicted.

166 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:58:05am
167 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:59:43am
168 b.d.  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:00:56am

[5th dimensional dudebro]FDR did not indict Emperor Hirohito for war crimes so Manning should walk free!!1!![/5th dimensional dudebro]

//

169 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:01:37am

Seeing a lot of “because person ‘X’ gets off Scot free” Bradley Manning shouldn’t be punished logic.

170 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:02:09am

They are locking up a Nobel Peace Prize nominee!

171 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:03:22am

re: #154 Charles Johnson

Exactly. He got off remarkably easy for the seriousness of his crimes.

But every few years after he’s eligible we get to have this conversation again. Might be a good thing.

172 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:05:00am

Jesus Christ. Twitter is going completely stupid.

173 piratedan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:06:15am

re: #172 Gus

not completely unexpected, there’s a big ass glass house and a quarry on each side of it……

174 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:06:43am

re: #145 Gus

So basically, Manning pretty much lucked out.

All things considered, I’d say he did. The sentence could’ve been a hell of a lot longer.

175 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:08:56am
176 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:09:15am

re: #162 Mattand

I’m laboring under the impression that the problem with Manning was his indiscriminate releasing of everything he had to Wikileaks.

I often wonder with Manning that if he just only leaked the video of the gunship mowing down the Iraqi civilians, he’d be in a much different situation.

Does that make sense, or am I off the mark here?

Take it you mean the ‘Collateral Murder’ footage. For that he would have been booted and realistically faced a year or so. (That story is also an intro into the emojourno outrage. I’ve watched it a lot, sometimes in a room full of Longbow pilots. It is not as presented in the media.)

177 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:09:59am

re: #168 b.d.

[5th dimensional dudebro]FDR did not indict Emperor Hirohito for war crimes so Manning should walk free!!1!![/5th dimensional dudebro]

//

Utter ignorance of history on full display. Yes, FDR didn’t indict the late Emperor for war crimes - a decision my father certainly didn’t agree with one iota - but they fail to explain, or more likely, understand, the rationale behind that decision.

Even my father conceded that in the long run, that decision was for the best. It did much to improve US-Japan postwar relations and made the whole occupation era smoother.

178 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:11:56am

Obama’s refusal to pardon traitors only shows how anti-American he is.

The only reasonable response is to elect a GOP Congress to impeach the president and restore the only freedoms that matter - our internet freedoms.

/Dudebros

179 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:12:44am

Stay classy, Bryan.

180 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:15:18am


Cue the dudebro outrage from Salon.

181 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:17:28am

Finally hits them.

182 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:17:57am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

Utter ignorance of history on full display. Yes, FDR didn’t indict the late Emperor for war crimes - a decision my father certainly didn’t agree with one iota - but they fail to explain, or more likely, understand, the rationale behind that decision.

Even my father conceded that in the long run, that decision was for the best. It did much to improve US-Japan postwar relations and made the whole occupation era smoother.

I equate it, on a smaller scale, with Pres Ford’s preemptive pardoning of Nixon. Not satisfying, but necessary.

183 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:19:08am

re: #181 Gus

Finally hits them.

[Embedded content]

Says the tweeter not looking at long, hard Leavenworth.

184 bratwurst  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:19:33am
185 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:21:14am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

I equate it, on a smaller scale, with Pres Ford’s preemptive pardoning of Nixon. Not satisfying, but necessary.

Exactly. Ironically, my father didn’t agree with President Ford’s decision either, but ultimately conceded that for the sake of the nation, Ford did the right thing, no matter how infuriating it may have been. My dad liked Nixon, but he felt that Nixon had profoundly screwed up and needed to answer for it.

186 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:21:17am

re: #184 bratwurst

Proof that Obama is a Doctor (or at least has TARDIS access). Time travel explains GOP opposition to Obama, even on events predating his presidency. ///

187 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:22:37am

re: #186 lawhawk

Proof that Obama is a Doctor (or at least has TARDIS access). Time travel explains GOP opposition to Obama, even on events predating his presidency. ///

Yep. President Obama is a Timelord, or maybe there’s a Timelord on the White House staff.

188 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:22:42am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

Utter ignorance of history on full display. Yes, FDR didn’t indict the late Emperor for war crimes - a decision my father certainly didn’t agree with one iota - but they fail to explain, or more likely, understand, the rationale behind that decision.

Even my father conceded that in the long run, that decision was for the best. It did much to improve US-Japan postwar relations and made the whole occupation era smoother.

And imagine the run-on complications five years later when* the Korean War kicks off and the US needs Japan as a rear-area base for supporting efforts there if the post-WW2 occupation was rockier due to removing the emperor and charging him with war crimes.

* - Assuming that events there follow those of our time line fairly closely. Though, as with about any “What if”, the complications may run all over the place from the diversion point; e.g. US needing larger occupation forces for Japan and thus potentially having more on hand in 1950. But possibly also unable to move as much over to Korea, or maybe ignoring Korea altogether and having no forces there at all. And so forth.

189 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:23:35am

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

Stay classy, Bryan.

[Embedded content]

Good god. The man really does see GAY everywhere!

190 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:23:46am

Dkos moonbats are going nuts.


Manning sentenced to 35 years in prison

Prosecutors asked for 60 years. He faced up to 90 years. He’ll end up with a dozen.
Given Mannings lack of service with distinction, the sentence is appropriate in my view. He will serve 12 years or so, and I would think with good behavior get paroled. That is appropriate punishment considering he was uniformed member of the armed forces, and not a civilian.

And now some comments…

A fair sentence? You gotta be kidding me (19+ / 0-)
The man did humanity a service,— he’s a hero — and he’s already been locked up for years, much of that time in hardcore solitary.

Meanwhile torturers and war criminals and wall street crooks who crashed the economy walk free.

A fair sentence. Wow.

…

Obama declared him guilty years ago; (11+ / 0-)
I imagine that’s all that matters.

…

There’s nothing appropriate about Manning’s (2+ / 0-)
sentence. Especially considering that those involved in war crimes weren’t even prosecuted. The message that Obama sent by going after Manning is that he doesn’t give a flying fuck about war crimes.

Some of them are ok with the sentance. This one is not:

The cruelty and sadism (7+ / 0-)
of some liberals. wow. It’s why—one of the reasons—I don’t call myself a liberal anymore, what with the rise in authoritarianism among people who self-identify as liberals.

There’s also this the fact that he’ll be placed in a men’s prison, a transgender person with a traitor label on him. He’ll probably have to be placed in solitary for his own protection.

Ok, I’m outta here, not going waste my morning rebutting lies about Manning.

Peace.

191 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:24:25am
192 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:24:56am

re: #184 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

I think a little of me just died inside. This shows you just how scary and effective the right wing (mis)information machine has been.

I mean damn, that should be an Onion headline. Seriously.

193 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:25:50am

Liberals can Derp too:

194 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:26:00am

Ok, I’ve got to ask: Who is David Sirota and why should I give a shit what he says?

I see his tweets on here routinely but I have no idea what relevance they have. Near as I can tell, he’s just another overly opinionated writer who thinks way too highly of himself because he can post stuff online.

195 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:27:36am

re: #188 Feline Fearless Leader

And imagine the run-on complications five years later when* the Korean War kicks off and the US needs Japan as a rear-area base for supporting efforts there if the post-WW2 occupation was rockier due to removing the emperor and charging him with war crimes.

* - Assuming that events there follow those of our time line fairly closely. Though, as with about any “What if”, the complications may run all over the place from the diversion point; e.g. US needing larger occupation forces for Japan and thus potentially having more on hand in 1950. But possibly also unable to move as much over to Korea, or maybe ignoring Korea altogether and having no forces there at all. And so forth.

FDR and, later, MacArthur shaped their decisions a (a little) on the war work of teams of anthropologists like Ruth Benedict. One of my professors wound up as A US Navy CMDR responsible for administration of one of the recaptured island territories in the S. Pacific.

196 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:27:44am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Says the tweeter not looking at long, hard Leavenworth.

Leavenworth is medium security. He’ll still be bossed around as an E-1. However, his treatment will be under a great deal of scrutiny.

197 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:28:00am

Gotta share this just for headline awesomeness:

Clerk injured trying to prevent David Hasselhoff sign theft

198 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:28:19am

re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg

Ok, I’ve got to ask: Who is David Sirota and why should I give a shit what he says?

I see his tweets on here routinely but I have no idea what relevance they have. Near as I can tell, he’s just another overly opinionated writer who thinks way too highly of himself because he can post stuff online.

He is Glenn Greenwald’s #1 Fan! and TEH MOAST EMOPROG DUDBRO EVER!

199 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:28:55am

re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg

Writer for Salon. Member of the DudeBros network. Derpa. And Greenwald acolyte.

In other words, guy who can write a whole lot of nonsense, get paid for it, and think that his opinion counts for more than the mere mortals who debunk his nonsense on a daily basis.

200 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:29:37am

re: #162 Mattand

I’m laboring under the impression that the problem with Manning was his indiscriminate releasing of everything he had to Wikileaks.

I often wonder with Manning that if he just only leaked the video of the gunship mowing down the Iraqi civilians, he’d be in a much different situation.

Does that make sense, or am I off the mark here?

As a former 96B NCO, I’d say so.

201 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:30:26am

re: #196 Gus

Leavenworth is medium security. He’ll still be bossed around as an E-1. However, his treatment will be under a great deal of scrutiny.

He’s unstable as shit—not likely to make it.

202 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:30:29am
203 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:30:30am

re: #167 NJDhockeyfan

Amnesty International has done some good things, but they’re dead wrong here.

Manning put people’s lives in danger by recklessly dumping classified documents into the ether. And he’s gotten off easy for it, considering the gravity of his crimes. No way his sentence gets commuted. At all.

204 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:31:11am

re: #184 bratwurst

Obama was POTUS during Katrina? Who knew?

205 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:31:33am
206 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:31:41am

I have this mental image of Greenwald in his office at the Guardian with four different active computer monitors, all showing Twitter feeds.

207 piratedan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:32:36am

re: #201 Decatur Deb

I would imagine that he will most likely avail himself of some counseling to try and get right with why he did what he did and how to move on from it.

208 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:33:19am

re: #201 Decatur Deb

He’s unstable as shit—not likely to make it.

I think he will.

209 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:33:22am

re: #204 Lidane

Obama was POTUS during Katrina? Who knew?

The Obama Derangement Syndrome gets worse with each passing day.

210 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:33:35am

re: #199 lawhawk

Writer for Salon. Member of the DudeBros network. Derpa. And Greenwald acolyte.

In other words, guy who can write a whole lot of nonsense, get paid for it, and think that his opinion counts for more than the mere mortals who debunk his nonsense on a daily basis.

And one of us yesterday cited his former work for Bain and one of the RW media networks. TPGOP in emoprog clothing.

211 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:33:39am

All this anti-authoritarian outrage on the Twitters is sort of amusing (in a way) given the spectrum from which it is coming from:
1. Liberal/left anti - who pretty much oppose it on principle and seem to be pretty detached from how real world governments operate.

2. Libertarian/right anti - who pretty much oppose it on principle and seem to be pretty detached from how real world governments operate.

(These two essentially meet and close the famed Circle of Derp.)

3. Partisan Nut - oppose it because it’s not *their* dictator or party person making the decisions and leading the government.

4. Religious Partisan Nut - oppose it due to the ghey. Which is sort of like Mr Hand thinking *all* the students are smoking dope.

5. Racist Nut - Obama’s government did it, therefore it is wrong.

212 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:35:56am

re: #188 Feline Fearless Leader

And imagine the run-on complications five years later when* the Korean War kicks off and the US needs Japan as a rear-area base for supporting efforts there if the post-WW2 occupation was rockier due to removing the emperor and charging him with war crimes.

* - Assuming that events there follow those of our time line fairly closely. Though, as with about any “What if”, the complications may run all over the place from the diversion point; e.g. US needing larger occupation forces for Japan and thus potentially having more on hand in 1950. But possibly also unable to move as much over to Korea, or maybe ignoring Korea altogether and having no forces there at all. And so forth.

That’s quite true. In the long run, Japan has turned out to be a solid ally for the United States in the region.

My father once told me, “Son, you may live to see the day when Japanese fighter jets launch from the deck of an American carrier in a joint operation against some serious threat in the Pacific theater. Quite a change from my younger days when Japanese fighter planes were trying to sink our flattops.”

213 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:36:17am

re: #208 Gus

I think he will.

“Leavenworth will make a man outta ya.”

214 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:37:25am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

imdb.com

215 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:37:36am
216 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:40:39am
217 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:42:12am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

imdb.com

I never saw “Battleship” because it looked pretty stupid. Guess that makes my dad something of a visionary - he described that scenario to me in the early 1980s.

218 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:43:42am
219 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:43:47am

re: #217 Dr Lizardo

I never saw “Battleship” because it looked pretty stupid. Guess that makes my dad something of a visionary - he described that scenario to me in the early 1980s.

Profoundly stupid with very good FX/CGI. A lot of those out there now.

220 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:44:25am

Cue the Guy Fawkes masks:

221 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:51:50am

DERP

222 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:53:43am

re: #221 Vicious Babushka

DERP


35 years shows why it’s better to flee than face a ‘fair’ trial.

Right now Manning has better prospects than Snowden.

223 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:54:39am

re: #220 Lidane

Cue the Guy Fawkes masks:

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Cue the masks of a far-right Catholic terrorist. //

224 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:55:50am

re: #221 Vicious Babushka

35 years is light compared to what he could’ve gotten. Pfft.

225 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:56:26am

re: #221 Vicious Babushka

I’d rather take my chances in Leavenworth than with the FSB.

Ted Rall is such an ignorant weasel. Does he really think Manning should hide in Russia too?

226 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:56:28am

re: #223 Gus

Cue the masks of a far-right Catholic terrorist. //

Lies! He’s teh principled revolutionary in V For Vendetta!

//////

227 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:58:11am

Bradley Manning went from facing 126 yrs. (life) to 90 yrs.; then from 60 years to 35 yrs. and is eligible for parole in roughly 10 yrs.

228 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:58:34am

31.5 yrs. with time served.

229 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:00:25am

re: #189 Eclectic Cyborg

Good god. The man really does see GAY everywhere!

Hmmm.
Protests a bit too much, doesn’t he?

230 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:01:59am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Profoundly stupid with very good FX/CGI. A lot of those out there now.

I hate movies like that. They sucker you in with good visual effects, and then you discover in 30 minutes or less, “Damn…..this movie blows” and you’ve wasted the ticket price.

231 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:06:24am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Profoundly stupid with very good FX/CGI. A lot of those out there now.

I classify those kinds of movies as cartoons.
Kids love them.

232 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:07:06am

re: #230 Dr Lizardo

I hate movies like that. They sucker you in with good visual effects, and then you discover in 30 minutes or less, “Damn…..this movie blows” and you’ve wasted the ticket price.

What our family calls “3:00 AM movies”. On the high cable channels when the sleep schedule is bonked.


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