Maj. Nidal Hasan Guilty of 45 Counts of Murder

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Maj. Nidal Hasan has been convicted of 45 charges of murder and attempted murder, and faces a likely death sentence.

FT. HOOD, Texas — A military jury on Friday convicted Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan on 45 charges of premeditated and attempted premeditated murder in connection with the shooting rampage at this central Texas Army post four years ago, the deadliest attack on a domestic U.S. military base.

He now faces a possible death sentence. The verdict was read by the jury president, or foreman, at 12:35 p.m., after six hours of deliberation.

I’m not sure how the Muslim Brotherhood-infiltrated Obama administration could have allowed this to happen; obviously someone screwed up.

(Do I need a sarcasm tag?)

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226 comments
1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:51:52am

A friend of mine tried to claim what Hassan did was an act of terrorism. Glad to see the Military saw it for what it was, Murder.

2 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:53:26am

Reposted from downstairs:

No surprise there. Too bad a guilty verdict doesn’t have the power to bring the victims back to life. *sigh*

3 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:53:34am

Wingnuts still not satisfied.

4 b.d.  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:55:26am

Good

5 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:55:59am
6 dog philosopher  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:56:17am

clue another round of wingnuts calling him a “leftist” becuz muslim atheist fascist socialist teenagers in tight jeans want me to eat arugula the communist party runs berkeley and wants to take away my suv

7 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:56:34am

I think it was a foregone conclusion that he was going to be found guilty. After all, he admitted to the killings, but claimed them justified. That defense was disallowed, and he presented no evidence to counter the admission of shooting those present at the Fort Hood site.

The only question is whether he will be given the death penalty or whether he’ll be sentenced to life without parole. I’m thinking it will be the latter, primarily to deny him the claim of martyrdom.

None of this brings back any of his victims, and it’s poor consolation to them.

8 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:56:55am

OT: They had to recast Batman because Bale has publicly stated he’s done with the role.

Joseph Gordon Levitt was established as Robin, not Batman. Now if you want to go according to the comics it is true that Dick Grayson (Robin) DID actually assume the role of Batman for awhile so I suppose mentioning him as a potential casting choice does make sense.

It’s possible Levitt was approached and didn’t want it.

9 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:57:10am

Thanks Obama
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10 erik_t  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:58:50am

re: #7 lawhawk

The only question is whether he will be given the death penalty or whether he’ll be sentenced to life without parole. I’m thinking it will be the latter, primarily to deny him the claim of martyrdom.

I’d rather throw him in a hole at Florence, personally. He doesn’t need attention, and if punishment is your motivation I think supermax sounds quite considerably worse than death.

11 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:59:31am

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

Who knew? Ron Christie is a troubled heart.

12 blueraven  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:00:55am

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts still not satisfied.

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Well I cant blame the tweeter for the “cut off his pay and dishonorable discharge” sentiment.

The other is pure blood lust

Having said that, his crimes certainly do warrant the death penalty if any crime does. I wouldn’t care much either way…if he gets life with no parole or the death penalty. I would defer to the victims and their families.

13 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:02:58am

re: #12 blueraven

Sad thing is, that scumbag who murdered a bunch of Afghanis a year or 2 back? No Death Penalty.

He committed a War Crime, and needs to be made an example of. Both of these Murderous scum need the needle. No hope of rehabilitation, the crimes were enormous.

But only one of them will be put to death. Both need to be.

14 erik_t  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:05:06am

Again with the bloodlust, again from the usual suspects.

15 Bubblehead II  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:05:13am

re: #13 ProTARDISLiberal

Sad thing is, that scumbag who murdered a bunch of Afghanis a year or 2 back? No Death Penalty.

He committed a War Crime, and needs to be made an example of.

Prosecutor: Soldier deserves no chance of release after massacre

Morse displayed photos of a young girl who was executed as she screamed and cried, as well as surveillance video of Bales returning to the base with “the methodical, confident gait of a man who’s accomplished his mission.”

Morse said Bales should be sentenced to life without parole.

16 Carlos Danger  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:06:41am

This is waaaay off topic, but J.J. Abrams will be shooting the new Star Wars with Kodak 35mm film.

17 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:07:01am

re: #1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Given his own admission, what makes it not terror? If murder is the better legality fine, but by what measure was it not a terror attack?

18 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:08:42am

I hope he gets a stronger sentence than Chelsea - not because I think Chelsea’s sentences was too harsh (it wasn’t), but because I never want that fucker Hasan to breathe free air again.

19 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:09:03am

re: #16 Carlos Danger

This is waaaay off topic, but J.J. Abrams will be shooting the new Star Wars with Kodak 35mm film.

Didn’t Kodak bite the big one about a year ago?

20 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:09:43am

People bloodlusting for his death should remember that whole ‘martyr’ thing.

21 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:10:12am

re: #15 Bubblehead II

And, on an ice cold budgetary level, how much will he cost the US and the military in food and hospital care over the rest of his natural life?

I don’t want the Death Penalty to be common. However, there are cases where the crime is so depraved and atrocious that it is the only reasonable option.

That goes for both Bales and Hasan.

22 Mattand  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:13:22am

re: #21 ProTARDISLiberal

And, on an ice cold budgetary level, how much will he cost the US and the military in food and hospital care over the rest of his natural life?

I don’t want the Death Penalty to be common. However, there are cases where the crime is so depraved and atrocious that it is the only reasonable option.

That goes for both Bales and Hasan.

The death penalty doesn’t do shit. All it does is make people, most of whom have no connection to the case, somehow feel better.

If the death penalty were such a magic deterrent, the US murder rate would have plummeted decades ago.

23 Lidane  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:13:38am

re: #20 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

People bloodlusting for his death should remember that whole ‘martyr’ thing.

Which is why tossing him into a Supermax cell and tossing the key is a better option. Deny him martyrdom and deny him a spotlight. Put him in a small room alone for the rest of his life and forget he exists.

24 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:14:38am

re: #21 ProTARDISLiberal

The death penalty costs more than housing him the rest of his life.

I don’t want the Death Penalty to be common. However, there are cases where the crime is so depraved and atrocious that it is the only reasonable option.

It’s never ‘reasonable’. At it’s ‘best’, it’s saying the person is so dangerous they need to die. At worst, what it usually is, is a desire for vengeance, which is just dumb as hell and hurts victims as well.

Death penalty isn’t something you can have for just “No, we really really really really know this guy is guilty and deserves it and all”. That’s not a legal standard. It always gets abused. We know this.

25 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:14:47am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Didn’t Kodak bite the big one about a year ago?

Plenty on ebay: google.com

26 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:15:03am

re: #20 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’m no death penalty fan. But I would not lift a finger in objection in this case. It’s the UCMJ, (where the military’s needs can make harsher than criminal law penalties appropriate) we have 13 dead, and I’d hate to see our sentencing be impacted by how our devout enemies can play propaganda games. Short of immediate release, he will be a propaganda playable item.

AFAIK the propaganda and claims by the pro liars who run agitprop for Al Qaeda can pound sand. Every shot fired, every combat death is grist for that mill.

27 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:15:29am

In this case I’d rather see him NOT get the death penalty as it’s something he’d look forward to because he’d see himself as a jihadist martyr who’d be headed straight for heaven. Also, as others have mentioned, it’ll only turn him into an icon (for the nutcases). He’s already paralyzed, so I would think spending the remaining 30-40 years of his life wheelchair-bound in a maximum security cell would be exactly what he doesn’t want—it lacks the “glamor” of martyrdom.

28 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:17:29am

re: #26 Political Atheist

I’d hate to see our sentencing be impacted by how our devout enemies can play propaganda games.

There’s really nothing wrong in saying “Killing him achieves nothing, and it also hands a propaganda weapon over to the enemy”.

29 Bubblehead II  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:18:23am

re: #21 ProTARDISLiberal

And, on an ice cold budgetary level, how much will he cost the US and the military in food and hospital care over the rest of his natural life?

I don’t want the Death Penalty to be common. However, there are cases where the crime is so depraved and atrocious that it is the only reasonable option.

That goes for both Bales and Hasan.

Probably about as much as just tossing him in a cell and losing the key.

Military death row: More than 50 years and no executions

(CNN) — Ronald Gray raped and battered at least seven women. He killed four, and left the others for dead — the bodies dumped around Fort Bragg and the neighboring city of Fayetteville, North Carolina, between 1986 and 1987.

He was caught and, just as in the civilian system, he was tried.
He was found guilty by a jury of his peers, just as in the civilian system.
And a death sentence was passed, just as would have been possible in a civilian court for such a heinous crime.

But when it comes to staying alive, history is on Gray’s side. The U.S. military has not executed one of its own since 1961.

30 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:19:19am
31 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:20:06am
32 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:21:00am

re: #24 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

-redacted due to harshness.-

33 b.d.  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:21:29am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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34 erik_t  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:22:10am

re: #32 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m going with the “Too Dangerous to let live” option under your best case.

I’m going with Saladin, and what how he dealt with Reynald.

The man can’t even walk. You need a new excuse.

35 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:22:10am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Not surprising in that case either. Expect Hasan will get life without parole as well.

And the soldier who massacred 16 villagers committed war crimes, acts for which the death penalty would be considered appropriate. But as others have pointed out, the US military hasn’t utilized the death penalty for its own since 1961, and it’s not likely to start anew.

36 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:23:12am

I think this would be fitting for Hasan.

37 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:23:57am

Life without parole seems like a much harsher sentence to me than the death penalty.

38 Bubblehead II  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:25:02am

re: #33 b.d.

You can now commence to rot away Hasan

Wrong murdering scum bag. This one killed 16 men/women and children in Afghanastan

39 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:25:39am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Life without parole seems like a much harsher sentence to me than the death penalty.

I agree. But the accountant minded types always seem to like the Death Penalty as a cheaper, more realistic option. After all, if we just keep in him in prison for the rest of his life, he gets paid for health care and other goodies.

40 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:25:49am

re: #28 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

There’s really nothing wrong in saying “Killing him achieves nothing, and it also hands a propaganda weapon over to the enemy”.

I’m not at all sure it hands the enemy anything useful in the whole scheme of the terror war and the middle east. He killed 13. What makes his death more of a propaganda worry for us than an Al Qaeda fighter being killed by a US bullet or air strike? Lifetime incarceration can be exploited in agitprop.

41 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:26:05am

Stay classy, Ann.

42 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:26:15am

re: #38 Bubblehead II

Wrong murdering scum bag. This one killed 16 men/women and children in Afganastan

There’s so many scumbags out there these days, it’s hard to keep track of them all!

43 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:26:45am

re: #32 ProTARDISLiberal

Beheading. Nice. Because that’d sure show we were better than them.

For fuck’s sake get a grip.

44 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:28:02am

re: #35 lawhawk

Not surprising in that case either. Expect Hassan will get life without parole as well.

And the soldier who massacred 16 villagers committed war crimes, acts for which the death penalty would be considered appropriate. But as others have pointed out, the US military hasn’t utilized the death penalty for its own since 1961, and it’s not likely to start anew.

The military rarely sentences it’s own to death; if and when, it’s the exception, not the rule, even for pretty heinous offenses. In a civilian court, Bales would’ve been sentenced to death by a civilian jury (provided that option exists in the particular state) if he’d perpetrated that massacre in, let’s say, Austin, TX or Miami, FL.

45 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:28:20am

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree. But the accountant minded types always seem to like the Death Penalty as a cheaper, more realistic option. After all, if we just keep in him in prison for the rest of his life, he gets paid for health care and other goodies.

Offer those advocates the same deal. Highly regimented life with most of it in an 8’ x 10’ cell with simply painted concrete walls. I wouldn’t take it regardless of some promise of three squares a day and free health care.

46 Bubblehead II  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:28:24am

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s so many scumbags out there these days, it’s hard to keep track of them all!

True. Sad, but true.

47 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:28:26am

re: #40 Political Atheist

I’m really not interested in arguing which is more useful, but martyrdom is a real thing and a real concept and people actually do care more about someone being dead than imprisoned. That’s why ‘martyr’ isn’t applied by Islamic radicals to those who are in prison.

Killing him:

A) Isn’t going to happen
B) If it did happen, would not happen for a long, long time, unless he wants to be martyred and goes along with it, in which case why are you giving him what he wants?

48 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:28:56am

Rotting in a prison cell in a wheelchair the rest of his disgusting life would be the ultimate punishment. That being said if he does get the death penalty I won’t be disappointed.

49 Carlos Danger  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:29:51am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

I think certain Kodak films are in production, but the company is going to be coming out of bankruptcy catering to commercial and industrial interests only.

Kodak’s big mistake is that they mistimed pretty much everything…

50 erik_t  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:29:54am

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts still not satisfied.

You were being too specific, apparently.

(long sigh)

51 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:32:29am

re: #49 Carlos Danger

I think certain Kodak films are in production, but the company is going to be coming out of bankruptcy catering to commercial and industrial interests only.

Kodak’s big mistake is that they mistimed pretty much everything…

Kodak’s big mistake was sitting on its digital imagery patents instead of exploiting them and rivaling Canon, Nikon, and the rest. They didn’t adapt to the changing circumstances in the imagery business.

52 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:33:18am

re: #17 Political Atheist

Given his own admission, what makes it not terror? If murder is the better legality fine, but by what measure was it not a terror attack?

lack of conspiracy or organization behind it?

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:33:19am

Afternoon
moment of cat

54 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:35:01am

re: #32 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m going with the “Too Dangerous to let live” option under your best case.

I’m going with Saladin, and how he dealt with Reynald.

Dude, dial it down. i know you struggle with anger, but this is just calling for immoral inhumanity.

55 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:35:42am

re: #52 Sol Berdinowitz

lack of conspiracy or organization behind it?

Lone wolf domestic terrorist would be an excluded category? Maybe.

56 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:36:49am

re: #32 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m going with the “Too Dangerous to let live” option under your best case.

I’m going with Saladin, and what how he dealt with Reynald.

These kinds of comments are really beginning to get on my very last nerve, and I’m wondering how many warnings you think you’re going to be allowed?

57 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:37:20am

re: #51 lawhawk

It was a digital innovator managed by literal film fans. Sad to see. One of those slow motion train wrecks. Heh, I wonder in stone carvers lamented papyrus? Just kidding.

58 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:39:01am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I’m not trying to get on people’s nerves.

But on the other hand, I do believe the Death Penalty does have a place with the most vicious and depraved of crime.

59 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:39:22am

re: #58 ProTARDISLiberal

I will remove the second sentence however.

60 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:40:02am

re: #40 Political Atheist

I’m not at all sure it hands the enemy anything useful in the whole scheme of the terror war and the middle east. He killed 13. What makes his death more of a propaganda worry for us than an Al Qaeda fighter being killed by a US bullet or air strike? Lifetime incarceration can be exploited in agitprop.

Because it can be used to inspire1 others to commit similar acts here to achieve “martyrdom”. I don’t think most non-Muslims can really get inside the head of a Muslim extremist the way a Muslim can.

You haven’t truly experienced its power until you’ve seen a 20-something convert’s eyes go all soft & glowing as he talks about wanting to be a martyr and see angels. You don’t have to just witness it, you have to understand the sincere belief behind it and how easy it is to twist that belief and manipulate someone.

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1. Don’t forget that “Inspire” is the name of AQ’s English language magazine, the same one that provided directions for making pressure cooker bombs like those used in Boston. They didn’t choose that name by accident.

61 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:42:53am
62 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:42:59am

re: #32 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m going with the “Too Dangerous to let live” option under your best case.

I’m going with Saladin, and how he dealt with Reynald.

Chill.

63 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:43:11am

re: #60 CuriousLurker

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1. Don’t forget that “Inspire” is the name of AQ’s English language magazine, the same one that provided directions for making pressure cooker bombs like those used in Boston. They didn’t choose that name by accident.

Dell makes a computer called the Inspiron.

I’d like to see Pamela run with that. ;0

64 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:45:19am

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Oh, you see, he’s evolved to a higher level of understanding and enlightenment, so his earlier positions no longer count. He now understands world affairs and national security than all those who are actively involved in the process, or those who write, blog, or report about it.

He is now the decider.

65 blueraven  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:45:32am

Well, now that Bales has received life w/no release, I hope Hasan receives same. Hasan is no better or worse than Bales. If Hasan receives death penalty now, it will look as though we are holding some lives as more important than others.

They are both cold blooded killers.

66 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:45:46am

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

Dell makes a computer called the Inspiron.

I’d like to see Pamela run with that. ;0

Heh: JIHADIST COMPUTERS!!11!

67 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:47:44am

Pamela wants Hasan to be shot with pig’s blood bullets. Stay classy, Pammy.

68 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:49:04am

Feral Pigs destroying Texas.

Who says God doesn’t have a sense of irony?

69 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:49:24am

re: #60 CuriousLurker

I wouldn’t understand it. It sounds insane to me. Maybe it was the odd path to conversion, but to think that, somebody’s head must have issues.

70 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:50:50am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

Pamela wants Hasan to be shot with pig’s blood bullets. Stay classy, Pammy.

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Isn’t Geller a walking firing squad of bull?

71 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:51:31am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

Pamela wants Hasan to be shot with pig’s blood bullets. Stay classy, Pammy.

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Yeah, ‘cause that’ll show the terrorists that we’re SO much more enlightened and civilized than they are. //

72 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:52:46am

re: #68 Kragar

I’m not supposing any of these state governments have tried to use the huge gun ownership rate to drag the population down?

73 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:52:51am

re: #68 Kragar

Feral Pigs destroying Texas.

Yeah; Perry, Barton, and Gohmert have been out of control a long time and it is really starting to show now.

74 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:54:12am

OFFS

75 Carlos Danger  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:55:49am

re: #68 Kragar

Feral Pigs destroying Texas.

For years, the infestation has been so acute in George Bush Park, on the western edge of Houston

hehe

76 b.d.  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:57:45am

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

OFFS

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Woah. Looks like they may be cutting Glenn Greenwald out of the Snowden game:

The paper — which NSA leaker Edward Snowden deliberately avoided over his fear that it would cooperate with the United States government — is now working with the Guardian on a series of stories based on documents that detail National Security Agency cooperation with its British counterpart, the Government Communications Headquarters, known as GCHQ.

“In a climate of intense pressure from the UK government, The Guardian decided to bring in a US partner to work on the GCHQ documents provided by Edward Snowden,”

77 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:58:48am

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m not supposing any of these state governments have tried to use the huge gun ownership rate to drag the population down?

I hope not. A major part of the issue is that the hogs (like deer) are moving into suburban environments since those are more convenient food supplies. A bunch of trigger-happy hunters with houses all around? I’ll pass.

And note that it’s been a rural issue for quite a while, but not is getting more headlines now that it is hitting places with higher population densities.

They might want to talk to the Germans. If I recall correctly there is a known boar issue in places such as Berlin due to all the parks there.

78 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:00:21pm

re: #77 Feline Fearless Leader

I hope not. A major part of the issue is that the hogs (like deer) are moving into suburban environments since those are more convenient food supplies. A bunch of trigger-happy hunters with houses all around? I’ll pass.

And note that it’s been a rural issue for quite a while, but not is getting more headlines now that it is hitting places with higher population densities.

They might want to talk to the Germans. If I recall correctly there is a known boar issue in places such as Berlin due to all the parks there.

With all the droughts, you’ve got to figure the boars are just heading to the food and water.

79 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:00:42pm

Here’s the injunction issued by the court in the David Miranda case:

judiciary.gov.uk

80 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:01:23pm

re: #78 Kragar

With all the droughts, you’ve got to figure the boars are just heading to the food and water.

They need the water (or mud) to keep cool. 100-400 lbs and no sweat glands.

81 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:02:44pm

re: #69 ProTARDISLiberal

I wouldn’t understand it. It sounds insane to me. Maybe it was the odd path to conversion, but to think that, somebody’s head must have issues.

I’m not talking about understanding the desire to kill innocent people, I’m talking about understanding the concept of martyrdom in Islam in a classical, mainstream sense (as in most religions & cultures, it’s something essentially noble like soldiers fighting & dying for their country/freedom, etc.) and how easily it can be twisted into something hateful, violent, and unjust.

It doesn’t seem to take much of a leap for you yourself to come up with some violent shit that sounds pretty insane to the rest of us. I’m just sayin’…

82 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:03:39pm

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

OFFS

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Prime example of his douche baggery.

83 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:03:52pm

Filner has signed a resignation letter, and the negotiated deal goes before the city council in about an hour. The whole deal could collapse if the City Council vetoes the deal, which it might if some of Filner’s earlier demands are still present in the deal.

84 Lidane  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:05:29pm
85 Carlos Danger  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:07:20pm

Makes me wonder if the Gray Wolf wasn’t basically hunted out of Texas, perhaps there would have been a predator to check the boar spread.

86 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:08:22pm

re: #84 Lidane

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Not a done deal yet, it comes down to the city council in about an hour.

87 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:11:19pm
In China, animal rescuers paid $8,000 to buy all the dogs on on a truck on it’s way to euthanize the dogs. This image was taken after they brought the dogs to their animal rescue center.

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88 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:11:57pm
89 Bubblehead II  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:12:03pm

Heres some more good news.

SF clerk ordered to issue gay marriage licenses

“The order issued late Thursday mandates that Santa Fe County Clerk Geraldine Salazar issue the marriage licenses or appear in court on Sept. 26 to tell the judge why that shouldn’t happen.”

and BFs head explodes.

90 Carlos Danger  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:12:22pm

On a related note:

Change in designating endangered species sought in Pa.

Another GOP proposal which takes the power away from agencies that are actually qualified to do the job.

91 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:14:44pm

re: #90 Carlos Danger

On a related note:

Change in designating endangered species sought in Pa.

Another GOP proposal which takes the power away from agencies that are actually qualified to do the job.

They also want the Republican Moderate removed from the list since they are such good hunting and the horn makes an excellent trophy.
//

92 BongCrodny  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:18:58pm

re: #91 Feline Fearless Leader

They also want the Republican Moderate removed from the list since they are such good hunting and the horn makes an excellent trophy.
//

Republican Moderate

93 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:22:28pm

re: #89 Bubblehead II

I do want to note the obtuseness of the County Clerk:

On Thursday, Action 7 News talked to Salazar about why she was not issuing marriage licenses to gay couples.

“There are processes in our society, so we have to follow them,” said Salazar.

She said the only thing her office will follow is a clear, undisputed change in the law.

“When the law is changed, we will issue same-sex marriage licenses,” she said.

If I am not mistaken, the law on marriage in New Mexico is gender-neutral. Which means there should not even be a problem.

94 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:23:22pm

re: #93 ProTARDISLiberal

I do want to note the obtuseness of the County Clerk:

If I am not mistaken, the law on marriage in New Mexico is gender-neutral. Which means there should not even be a problem.

Yup, there is no need to change the law to permit SSM. The law currently allows it. The Clerk is wrong.

95 Carlos Danger  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:24:01pm

We need to put the Elephas maximus moderatus on the endangered species list…

96 andres  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:25:44pm

re: #95 Carlos Danger

We need to put the Elephas maximus moderatus on the endangered species list…

Are you sure? It’s more mythological than anything…

//

97 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:28:20pm
98 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:28:25pm

re: #94 Kragar

So, she is just being obstinate for personal reasons.

99 Bubblehead II  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:29:00pm

re: #93 ProTARDISLiberal

I do want to note the obtuseness of the County Clerk:

If I am not mistaken, the law on marriage in New Mexico is gender-neutral. Which means there should not even be a problem.

It is. That’s why the N.M. AG isn’t interfering. This woman is just being an obstructionist. Was going to use another word but didn’t want to insult female canines.

Still awaiting a ruling on the Bernalillo County case.

100 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:29:15pm

re: #98 ProTARDISLiberal

So, she is just being obstinate for personal reasons.

Yup. We’ve got a jackass like that down in SD as our county clerks.

101 SpaceJesus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:29:31pm

Santa Fe, NM has started issuing gay marriage licenses after being ordered to do so by a District Court judge. District Court is the court below the Court of Appeals.


kob.com

102 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:30:02pm
103 SpaceJesus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:30:14pm

woops, late on the news here

104 Carlos Danger  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:30:50pm

re: #96 andres

The wild boar has nothing on Republicans when it comes to fracking!

105 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:31:59pm

re: #102 Gus

When I first saw that, I thought the guy in the back row, second from left, had a really weird beard.

106 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:35:56pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

When I first saw that, I thought the guy in the back row, second from left, had a really weird beard.

Amish beard man!

107 Carlos Danger  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:36:51pm

So… Microsoft stock is up 8% today. Ballmer’s retiring:

Youtube Video

108 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:38:24pm

re: #101 SpaceJesus

Santa Fe, NM has started issuing gay marriage licenses after being ordered to do so by a District Court judge. District Court is the court below the Court of Appeals.

kob.com

Gonna Page it? Here are a couple links.

109 dog philosopher  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:39:34pm

Do You Think Obama Is The Worst President Ever?

i’m still waiting on the outcome of Millard Fillmore - Herbert Hoover Deth Match II This Time It’s Serious

110 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:40:52pm

re: #102 Gus

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At first glance I thought that said “Obama makes a stop for spies….”

111 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:40:59pm
112 Carlos Danger  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:42:26pm

re: #109 dog philosopher

Do You Think Obama Is The Worst President Ever?

i’m still waiting on the outcome of Millard Fillmore - Herbert Hoover Deth Match II This Time It’s Serious

Millard Fillmore was so bad he inspired a terrible comic strip…

I’ve still waiting for Egret Hoover

113 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:44:18pm

re: #109 dog philosopher

Do You Think Obama Is The Worst President Ever?

i’m still waiting on the outcome of Millard Fillmore - Herbert Hoover Deth Match II This Time It’s Serious

James Buchanan usually has a lock on the worst US president title. Sitting around with ones thumb up ones ass while the nation slides into civil war is bad for ones reputation.

114 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:44:36pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel

At first glance I thought that said “Obama makes a stop for spies….”

I saw Charles’ Tweet and though he was referring to my badge Tweet and thought, “what man with beard?”

115 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:47:17pm

re: #114 Gus

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel

At first glance I thought that said “Obama makes a stop for spies….”

I saw Charles’ Tweet and though he was referring to my badge Tweet and thought, “what man with beard?”

LOL, gotta love internet communications. What could possibly go wrong?

116 brennant  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:47:39pm

re: #114 Gus

I saw Charles’ Tweet and though he was referring to my badge Tweet and thought, “what man with beard?”

Which one is man with beard?

YOU are a hideous orangutan!

Thank you, Manwell.

117 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:48:27pm


SOCIALIZM !!!

118 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:48:57pm

Warning: DU and Wiki compilation link regarding GG & Matt Hale Defense, not verified, but interesting if some of the allegations are true:

democraticunderground.com

119 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:49:16pm

An odd case of hotfoot at JFK. Man arrested for trying to smuggle uranium out of the US to Iran. In his shoes (packed in his luggage).

A man was arrested at John F. Kennedy Airport on Wednesday with raw uranium inside the soles of shoes carried in his luggage, and officials believe he was planning to ship the radioactive element to Iran.

According to a federal complaint obtained by the Smoking Gun, Patrick Campbell, a 33-year-old native of Sierra Leone, has been under investigation by the Department of Homeland Security for the past 15 months, and allegedly agreed to sell undercover agents 1000 tons of yellowcake uranium for shipment to Iran.

Campbell had reportedly flown from Paris to New York, and was stopped at JFK; he was supposed to catch a connecting flight to Miami, where agents planned to meet up with him. The complaint notes that Campbell was found with raw uranium ore in the soles of two pairs of shoes, in addition to a thumb drive containing a contract for the sale and delivery of more uranium.

120 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:49:19pm

re: #99 Bubblehead II

Her chances (County Clerk) of re-election are sunk. She went against her own party in a stronghold of that party. Not only that, she threatened a legal circus.

She is going to get Primaried something fierce.

Considering who I have an interview with on Tuesday, I think there is a lesson here. Not sure what it is.

121 erik_t  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:50:39pm

re: #119 lawhawk

An odd case of hotfoot at JFK. Man arrested for trying to smuggle uranium out of the US to Iran. In his shoes (packed in his luggage).

He almost went through with it, but then he got…

cold feet.

122 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:51:49pm

re: #119 lawhawk

An odd case of hotfoot at JFK. Man arrested for trying to smuggle uranium out of the US to Iran. In his shoes (packed in his luggage).

At least he didn’t hide the uranium in his underwear…

123 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:52:10pm

re: #120 ProTARDISLiberal

Her chances (County Clerk) of re-election are sunk. She went against her own party in a stronghold of that party. Not only that, she threatened a legal circus.

She is going to get Primaried something fierce.

Considering who I have an interview with on Tuesday, I think there is a lesson here. Not sure what it is.

Don’t be so hard on her.

[…]

“What I’m telling folks, and what I want them to understand, is that we are the subject of a lawsuit right now on this matter,” Oliver said.

In March, two lesbian couples filed suit against Toulouse after she refused to issue them marriage licenses. Wednesday afternoon, a third couple, joined the lawsuit.

Oliver said she’s limited within the confines of the law.

“I am personally in favor of gay marriage,” she said. “I look forward to the day that we can issue marriage licenses to same sex couples in Bernalillo County.”

Oliver said she’s encouraged to hear that Attorney General Gary King doesn’t plan to stop what’s going on in Las Cruces, and hopes that’s a sign a resolution will happen soon.

“I know that the couples want that, I certainly want that, it appears that’s what the AG’s office wants as well, and so hopefully that’s what will take place,” she said.

Read more: koat.com

124 erik_t  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:52:47pm

Oh, Wonkette. I love you.

IN COMPLETELY UNFORSEEABLE COINCIDENCE, ANTI-VACCINE CHURCH HIT BY MEASLES OUTBREAK

God works in mysterious ways, doesn’t He? Far more mysterious ways than the measles virus does, at least — we know a hell of a lot about the virus, like how to inoculate people against it. But God, He’s mysterious, and one of His earthly servants, Kenneth Copeland, is not a fan of vaccines, instead urging his flock to “teach our children to eat right” as part of “God’s health and wellness plan.” (And yes, in that video, Copeland promotes the completely discredited notion that vaccines cause autism.)

Big surprise: Copeland’s church is at the center of a measles outbreak that has infected at least 10 people in Tarrant County, Texas. As another famous Texan said, oops.

125 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:53:04pm

re: #117 Dr. Matt


SOCIALIZM !!!

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Hopefully Yosemite will still be there by Sunday. The Rim Fire has grown from 99 square miles to 165 square miles since last night and is now inside the park boundaries.

126 SpaceJesus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:53:17pm

Just the official statement,

SANTA FE COUNTY CLERK’S OFFICE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Santa Fe - August 23, 2013

County Clerk Geraldine Salazar Announces That Today at 2:00 p.m. She Will Begin Issuing Marriage Licenses to Same-Sex Applicants.

County Clerk Geraldine Salazar announces that today at 2:00 p.m. she will begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex applicants, thus complying with an alternative writ of mandamus issued by Judge Sarah Singleton. The Clerk stated: “I am a fervent supporter of same-sex marriage in New Mexico and have always believed that the restrictive and antiquated statutes in our State must fall to principles of equal protection embodied in our Constitution. I have been frustrated recently wanting to issue licenses but being confronted with long standing statutes that do not permit it. Now that Judge Singleton has ordered me to issue a license to Messrs. Hanna and Hudson on constitutional grounds, I intend to do so and to issue a license to any same-sex couple who desires one and are otherwise qualified. By complying with the Judge’ s order we will be issuing licenses legally and will not continue to use limited county resources on further litigation.”

END

County Seal

127 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:54:40pm

re: #124 erik_t

Obviously this is a case of teh gay and secular radical Islamacists persecuting Good, Faithful, Patriotic Amercian XChians. //

128 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:54:49pm

There is so much win in the linked article you have to read it for yourself.

129 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:56:26pm

re: #125 Single-handed sailor

Yosemite will still be there, but getting to it may be a trifle difficult. The fires have shut down Route 120 into the Park on a couple occasions already, and the location of the fire makes it tough to get at.

Highway 120 temporarily closed west of Yosemite National Park
The Hetch Hetchy Road and Highway 120 from near Groveland to Big Oak Flat Entrance Station are temporarily closed due to a wildfire. Entrances to Yosemite via Highways 41, 140, and 120 from the east (Tioga Pass) are open. More »

But those hoping to catch awesome views may get disappointed because of the haze/smoke and reduced visibility.

130 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:56:58pm

re: #126 SpaceJesus

That’s two of the largest counties in the state. Any others?

I say “One of the largest,” yet their largest county is only the size of the Colorado Springs metro.

New Mexico as a whole is less than the Denver metro. We are 2.5 times their size.

Any recommendations on if living there is awesome?

131 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:57:16pm

re: #119 lawhawk

An odd case of hotfoot at JFK. Man arrested for trying to smuggle uranium out of the US to Iran. In his shoes (packed in his luggage).

Where did he get it from, Uranuim-R-Us?

132 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:57:21pm


Click to see!

133 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:59:05pm

Don’t know what it means, but all logins appear twice in the Master Spy.

134 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:59:27pm

Most, not all.

135 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:00:28pm

re: #128 darthstar

volokh.wpengine.com

The original legal filing (linked above) is even funnier than the Wonkette summary.

136 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:01:07pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

volokh.wpengine.com

The original legal filing (linked above) is even funnier than the Wonkette summary.

Wait, that’s for real?
…
..
.
I need a drink.

137 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:01:08pm

re: #129 lawhawk

I was in the park 2 days ago, we drove in over Tioga pass and left on 140. The fire was only 34 square miles then and it looked terrible.

138 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:01:21pm

re: #126 SpaceJesus

Judicial Activism!!!

Will wait for Cardinal Dreher’s crunchy con hand-wringing about how freedom is bad.

139 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:01:23pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Don’t know what it means, but all logins appear twice in the Master Spy.

You can logout, but you can never leave.

140 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:01:48pm

re: #125 Single-handed sailor

inciweb.nwcg.gov

141 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:02:13pm

re: #137 Single-handed sailor

The park was clear of smoke which is blowing NNE.

142 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:02:37pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

volokh.wpengine.com

The original legal filing (linked above) is even funnier than the Wonkette summary.

Yep…it’s pretty damn good.

VI. PRAYER
WHEREFORE plaintiff prays for judgment as follows:
29. I Pray to meet with Meghan McCain through a court, a center right Republican Icon,
to talk about what she thinks about the political party and what should be done about the breach of duty.
30.1 Pray for $50 million dollars in punitive damages to my physical years of loss of
working ability in a career and the psychological nature of the massive amounts of 11 years of damage and
repression of economic market loss. So 1 can fix the breach in the party and repair it with getting jobs for the
Republican voters with ties to Europe. I have the world’s biggest economic warfare cite known as the Rider I Anti
Economic Warfare. I have studied for 4 years the world liberal party’s economic warfare

143 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:03:07pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Don’t know what it means, but all logins appear twice in the Master Spy.

Yeah, just noticed that. Fixed now.

144 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:04:18pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Don’t know what it means, but all logins appear twice in the Master Spy.

Charles is keeping dual logs so he has one the NSA can access directly.

//need I?

145 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:04:48pm

re: #144 darthstar

Charles is keeping dual logs so he has one the NSA can access directly.

//need I?

We are the NSA.

146 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:07:15pm
147 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:08:11pm
148 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:08:22pm

Robertson: Obama Inciting ‘Black-On-White Violence’

Pat Robertson today, while discussing the shooting of an Australian baseball player in Oklahoma by three teenagers, two of them black and one white, accused President Obama of inciting anti-white violence. The 700 Club host said, “We are having a tremendous amount of this black-on-white violence and I have a feeling that instead of bringing racial harmony, having an African-American president has exacerbated the problem.”

“He seems to be wanting to bring division among people instead of bringing them together; he is one of the most divisive leaders this country has ever had,” Robertson continued. “It just seems he wants to rub the edges raw every chance he gets.” Robertson argued that Obama is trying to divide people by race and class: “There’s always something there to stir up controversy.”

Please name one way the President has incited such activity. Provide specific details.

149 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:08:41pm

re: #142 darthstar

My favorite so far is this gem (errors carefully preserved):

17. I am 31 one years old and have no wife, no car, no home and no career. Plaintiff thinks that this is because the Republican Corporation will not properly deal with the liberal world party criminal issues like they should. As the high unemployment and even higher criminal migrant job takers are an issue with me being able to survive and thrive and have a giant family and a career.

Someone has listened to too much RW talk radio and watched too much Fox News, with the result being total degeneration of the brain.

150 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:08:51pm

re: #148 Kragar

Robertson: Obama Inciting ‘Black-On-White Violence’

Please name one way the President has incited such activity. Provide specific details.

Winning election in 2008. Duh.
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151 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:09:12pm
152 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:09:24pm

Police Searching For Carjacked Van With Nuclear Decal

DARBY, Pa. - Authorities are investigating a reported carjacking in Delaware County with a “Cardinal Health Nuclear” decal on the back.

The carjacking was reported on the 200 block of Mill Street in Darby.

The thief allegedly used a gun to take the van, described as a White Toyota 2013.

The van was last seen headed toward Philadelphia.

The Department of Homeland Security is reported to be assisting with the search.

153 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:10:04pm

re: #149 EPR-radar

My favorite so far is this gem (errors carefully preserved):

Someone has listened to too much RW talk radio and watched too much Fox News, with the result being total degeneration of the brain.

At least he managed to lose his second amendment rights.

154 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:12:38pm
The rules were stated (my uncle, trying to be helpful, offered his hand when I went in for a hug: “You’re a man now,” he said. “Men shake hands”); and some crept in, as if by osmosis: don’t cross your legs, don’t talk too fast, don’t admit confusion, don’t ask for help, don’t make eye contact with strangers, don’t cry.

Really excellent article, also paged.

155 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:15:43pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

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Also, Hitler Mafia Fascist Autocrat.

156 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:17:24pm
157 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:20:13pm

Image: Douche-Badge.jpg

158 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:20:24pm
159 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:20:33pm

re: #130 ProTARDISLiberal

Also, in terms of the list on Recognization of Gay Marriage, what will New Mexico’s spot be?

The Starting Point? (22/8/13) The Ending point (?). The time from the first county to the last.

Is New Mexico going to have 1 spot, or several spots. Does 14th Spot? 25th Spot? Or does it get 15th to the point it is universal in the state. Being in a number of spots all at once because it may be so gradual?

160 erik_t  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:20:41pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

I mean, that’s just obviously factually untrue. We know that there were occasionally-violated rules dealing with cell phone roaming, and there sure as shit wasn’t a lot of cell phone roaming thirty years ago.

They don’t even BOTHER to be self-consistent. It’s disgusting.

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:23:41pm

re: #160 erik_t

I mean, that’s just obviously factually untrue. We know that there were occasionally-violated rules dealing with cell phone roaming, and there sure as shit wasn’t a lot of cell phone roaming thirty years ago.

They don’t even BOTHER to be self-consistent. It’s disgusting.

Sort of makes you think that the real goal does not even involve reporting the news, doesn’t it?

162 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:23:52pm

re: #154 FemNaziBitch

Really excellent article, also paged.

do not recall the article or where it was published, but the jist of it was that those who do not understand what it really means to be a man are the ones who cling to the established external symbols that society associates with “manhood” and throw a fit when someone or something varies from them.

it went on to make the connection that those who really do not understand what it means to be a true patriot and love one’s country are the ones who cling to the trappings of nationalsm and pseudopatriotism and throw fits over people who fail to wear a flag lapel, etc…

163 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:24:28pm

re: #149 EPR-radar

My favorite so far is this gem (errors carefully preserved):

Someone has listened to too much RW talk radio and watched too much Fox News, with the result being total degeneration of the brain.

LOL, sounds kinda like this charmer who got himself banned in a Page the other day: Where in the hell is my White privilege?? I want it back, dammit!!11!

164 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:24:36pm

This should end any questions about who is responsible for that chemical attack.

165 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:25:58pm

re: #68 Kragar

Feral Pigs destroying Texas.

Who says God doesn’t have a sense of irony?

Those are nasty MF’ers. But also delicious. Not kidding.

166 erik_t  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:26:07pm

The NSA apparently had rules pertaining to cell phone data collection in 1983. The cell phone first became commercially available in 1983.

That sounds like incredibly responsible government, really.

/

167 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:26:28pm

re: #163 CuriousLurker

LOL, sounds kinda like this charmer who got himself banned in a Page the other day: Where in the hell is my White privilege?? I want it back, dammit!!11!

The best factual argument against White Supremacy has always been the drivel put forth by its practitioners.

Holy self-contradictions, Batman!

168 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:27:42pm

Image: Douche-Badge-II.jpg

169 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:27:55pm

re: #163 CuriousLurker

LOL, sounds kinda like this charmer who got himself banned in a Page the other day: Where in the hell is my White privilege?? I want it back, dammit!!11!

Remarkably similar. Could it be…?

170 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:30:21pm


Retweet’em around the world!

171 Mattand  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:31:36pm

re: #163 CuriousLurker

LOL, sounds kinda like this charmer who got himself banned in a Page the other day: Where in the hell is my White privilege?? I want it back, dammit!!11!

Wearing the Confedrate flag wrestling costume to all his interviews was probably not a good move.

172 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:31:38pm

re: #159 ProTARDISLiberal

I hope that made as much sense as it did in my head.

173 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:31:58pm

re: #163 CuriousLurker

LOL, sounds kinda like this charmer who got himself banned in a Page the other day: Where in the hell is my White privilege?? I want it back, dammit!!11!

I think it was a lame attempt at sarcasm. But also misses the fact that the privilege has further divisions even after the racial divide. The commenter did not fall within the right groups farther up the chain to get the benefits.

Which has been part and parcel of the whole use of “race war” as a distraction from “class war”. The upper tier plays off parts of the lower tier against each other while they skim the cream off the top. (Or to flog the other analogy take 10 cookies of the dozen and then tell the two workers that the other worker greedily wants *their* cookie for himself.)

174 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:33:01pm

Wait a second. They’re now complaining that some of the provisions weren’t updated in 30 years. I’m guessing that they’re again referring to the Reagan-era Executive Order 12333, which hasn’t been superseded, even though the needs of the intelligence community have changed since it was promulgated.

A regular and periodic review of the intel law is a good idea, but claiming that it’s 30 years old and therefore out of date or irrelevant ignores that the underlying legal protections are still enforceable. The EO 12333 prohibits certain kinds of intel ops on US citizens. The Constitution still requires warrants and subpoenas, and the FISC still has to weigh in on granting warrants for certain kinds of searches.

Oh, and the letter that the Board sent to AG Holder and DNI Clapper? It’s referring to EO 12333 as authority. They’re writing that the guidelines (section 2.3) have not been comprehensively updated since promulgation and that changes in technology would dictate a review.

175 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:33:02pm

re: #162 Sol Berdinowitz

do not recall the article or where it was published, but the jist of it was that those who do not understand what it really means to be a man are the ones who cling to the established external symbols that society associates with “manhood” and throw a fit when someone or something varies from them.

it went on to make the connection that those who really do not understand what it means to be a true patriot and love one’s country are the ones who cling to the trappings of nationalsm and pseudopatriotism and throw fits over people who fail to wear a flag lapel, etc…

If you ever recall the source, I’d appreciate if you’d let me know. It sounds like an interesting article.

176 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:34:22pm

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

Which has been part and parcel of the whole use of “race war” as a distraction from “class war”. The upper tier plays off parts of the lower tier against each other while they skim the cream off the top. (Or to flog the other analogy take 10 cookies of the dozen and then tell the two workers that the other worker greedily wants *their* cookie for himself.)

That is what the British did between the Ulster Protestants and the Irish Catholics as well: itish Protestants had wages about two-thirds of those in England, the Irish Catholics about half, and the Ulstermen were told that the Irish were coming to take things away from them by wanting more.

177 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:34:27pm

And now the Friday night news dump continues apace:

BREAKING: All charges against Paula Deen dismissed, according to court document

178 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:34:29pm

Soldier Gets Life Without Parole in Deaths of Afghan Civilians

179 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:34:55pm

re: #175 FemNaziBitch

If you ever recall the source, I’d appreciate if you’d let me know. It sounds like an interesting article.

salon I think, but cannot recall when, year or two ago

180 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:35:21pm

Goldman Sachs Banker Charged With Rape In The Hamptons

181 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:36:32pm
182 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:36:40pm

Disgusting shitbag George Galloway hits a new low…

183 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:36:43pm

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

I think it was a lame attempt at sarcasm. But also misses the fact that the privilege has further divisions even after the racial divide. The commenter did not fall within the right groups farther up the chain to get the benefits.

Which has been part and parcel of the whole use of “race war” as a distraction from “class war”. The upper tier plays off parts of the lower tier against each other while they skim the cream off the top. (Or to flog the other analogy take 10 cookies of the dozen and then tell the two workers that the other worker greedily wants *their* cookie for himself.)

No, it wasn’t sarcasm, this person was in a red-faced, artery-throbbing, spittle-flying rage. All the really ugly stuff got deleted, some of it directed at Interesting Times personally.

You’re right about the rest though, race war is just a distraction form class war.

184 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:38:23pm

re: #180 FemNaziBitch

$20k Bail! That is insanely low.

For someone who earns that much, it should be more. Bail should be set using some sort of equation involving the severity of the crime and the person’s yearly income, investments included.

Hell, I want that for fines for traffic and other violations too.

185 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:39:12pm

re: #182 NJDhockeyfan

His party in the UK is disintegrating at a brisk pace. About the same way the Wikileaks party is.

187 b.d.  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:39:47pm

re: #181 darthstar

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None of those people have jobs!?!?1!

188 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:40:23pm

re: #184 ProTARDISLiberal

$20k Bail! That is insanely low.

For someone who earns that much, it should be more. Bail should be set using some sort of equation involving the severity of the crime and the person’s yearly income, investments included.

Hell, I want that for fines for traffic and other violations too.

Shades of the Kennedy Rape Trial vs. the Mike Tyson Rape Trial?

189 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:41:11pm

re: #174 lawhawk

Wait a second. They’re now complaining that some of the provisions weren’t updated in 30 years. I’m guessing that they’re again referring to the Reagan-era Executive Order 12333, which hasn’t been superseded, even though the needs of the intelligence community have changed since it was promulgated.

A regular and periodic review of the intel law is a good idea, but claiming that it’s 30 years old and therefore out of date or irrelevant ignores that the underlying legal protections are still enforceable. The EO 12333 prohibits certain kinds of intel ops on US citizens. The Constitution still requires warrants and subpoenas, and the FISC still has to weigh in on granting warrants for certain kinds of searches.

Oh, and the letter that the Board sent to AG Holder and DNI Clapper? It’s referring to EO 12333 as authority. They’re writing that the guidelines (section 2.3) have not been comprehensively updated since promulgation and that changes in technology would dictate a review.

Exactly - here’s the letter: s3.amazonaws.com

190 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:41:17pm

re: #180 FemNaziBitch

Goldman Sachs Banker Charged With Rape In The Hamptons

Maybe Zombie Breitbart can yell at him.

191 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:41:36pm

Image: 1239881_734278396601616_109790248_n.jpg

192 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:41:48pm

re: #183 CuriousLurker

No, it wasn’t sarcasm, this person was in a red-faced, artery-throbbing, spittle-flying rage. All the really ugly stuff got deleted, some of it directed at Interesting Times personally.

It was very much along the lines of the violent, creepy hate mail Charles gets from these types, which is how I knew it was a stalker (and what potential employer who’s remotely sane would want an employee like that? o_O )

193 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:41:59pm

re: #187 b.d.

None of those people have jobs!?!?1!

They’re all there for the free phones.

194 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:42:26pm

High School Students Blow The Lid Off Oreo’s Double Stuf: There’s Only 1.86 Times The StufLink

195 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:42:37pm

re: #174 lawhawk

It’s amazing. They really are trying to pull another fast one here. Man, it’s getting hard to keep up.

196 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:43:16pm
197 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:43:19pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

It’s amazing. They really are trying to pull another fast one here. Man, it’s getting hard to keep up.

I was lost at the beginning. If it wasn’t for LGF, I’d have drowned in the quagmire.

198 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:43:48pm

re: #182 NJDhockeyfan

Disgusting shitbag George Galloway hits a new low…

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When you posted your #164 I was going to comment that it wouldn’t make any difference to those who want to blame Israel. It’s like trying to calmly reason with the Alex Jones or Orly Taitz crowd. Keep your eyes peeled for this one too.

199 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:43:54pm

Good news:

200 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:43:59pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

OT: They had to recast Batman because Bale has publicly stated he’s done with the role.

Joseph Gordon Levitt was established as Robin, not Batman. Now if you want to go according to the comics it is true that Dick Grayson (Robin) DID actually assume the role of Batman for awhile so I suppose mentioning him as a potential casting choice does make sense.

It’s possible Levitt was approached and didn’t want it.

Levitt was too young.

201 b.d.  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:44:44pm

re: #194 FemNaziBitch

High School Students Blow The Lid Off Oreo’s Double Stuf: There’s Only 1.86 Times The StufLink

That’s Bullsh*t!! I’m joing the 1st class action suit I can find. No wonder my ass isn’t 5 lbs heavier!

203 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:45:48pm

re: #192 Interesting Times

It was very much along the lines of the violent, creepy hate mail Charles gets from these types, which is how I knew it was a stalker (and what potential employer who’s remotely sane would want an employee like that? o_O )

Exactly.

204 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:46:17pm
205 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:47:07pm

re: #199 darthstar

Good news:

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What happened to his son??

206 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:47:59pm

re: #204 darthstar

Naturally. Erick Erickson’s true love is Christian theocracy. More evidence of this is on RedState today.

207 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:48:43pm
208 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:48:55pm

LIBRARIES in pictures

VERY KEWL!

209 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:49:23pm

re: #118 Randall Gross

Warning: DU and Wiki compilation link regarding GG & Matt Hale Defense, not verified, but interesting if some of the allegations are true:

democraticunderground.com

I’m surprised as hell that the majority of DUers in that thread don’t think much of the GG.

I thought he’d be hailed as a hero over there. Go figure.

210 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:49:56pm

re: #200 OhNoZombies!

Levitt was too young.

I saw a post or interview somewhere where it was said that the key for casting Batman (or Superman) is that shouldn’t be casting the hero-mode — you should be casting for how they will look or act as Bruce Wayne (Clark Kent).

Once they’re in the suit it’s often shots of stunt doubles and standard action genre stuff. How do they come across on the screen when acting as a human? (Or dysfunctional human in Wayne’s case.) Part of the key of the character is that you sympathize with the human and his internal conflicts, otherwise it’s simply a psychotic vigilante with a bunch of neat devices. Just watch “The Punisher” instead. :p

211 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:51:32pm

I don’t know, but I think this involves math.

212 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:53:59pm

Love it when people say, “Greenwald AND Snowden deny they talked to the Independent.” AND Snowden? He’s been incommunicado for three weeks now.

213 danarchy  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:54:07pm

re: #210 Feline Fearless Leader

I saw a post or interview somewhere where it was said that the key for casting Batman (or Superman) is that shouldn’t be casting the hero-mode — you should be casting for how they will look or act as Bruce Wayne (Clark Kent).

Once they’re in the suit it’s often shots of stunt doubles and standard action genre stuff. How do they come across on the screen when acting as a human? (Or dysfunctional human in Wayne’s case.) Part of the key of the character is that you sympathize with the human and his internal conflicts, otherwise it’s simply a psychotic vigilante with a bunch of neat devices. Just watch “The Punisher” instead. :p

This is why Keaton was my favorite batman. He had just the right amount of crazy to pull off a convincing Bruce Wayne. Pretty much the rest of the Batmen have been bad… Alan West excepted of course ;)

214 BongCrodny  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:56:02pm

re: #213 danarchy

This is why Keaton was my favorite batman. He had just the right amount of crazy to pull off a convincing Bruce Wayne. Pretty much the rest of the Batmen have been bad… Alan West excepted of course ;)

I, for one, would love to see Allen West as Batman.

215 danarchy  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:59:18pm

re: #214 BongCrodny

I, for one, would love to see Allen West as Batman.

Doh! Adam West…

216 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 1:59:44pm

re: #200 OhNoZombies!

Levitt was too young.

Hmm, I think he’s around the same age Bale was at the time of Batman Begins.

217 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 2:05:53pm

Pedophile Claims to Have Married His Victim

218 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 2:08:45pm

re: #163 CuriousLurker

Bwahahaha. I almost choked on a peanut butter cup. LOL!

219 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 2:10:38pm

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

Hmm, I think he’s around the same age Bale was at the time of Batman Begins.

They wanted someone closer to 40.

220 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 2:12:35pm

re: #213 danarchy

This is why Keaton was my favorite batman. He had just the right amount of crazy to pull off a convincing Bruce Wayne. Pretty much the rest of the Batmen have been bad… Alan West excepted of course ;)

Bale. He can be a charmer, but can also slide into batsh*t (heh) crazy like a pro.

221 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 2:39:09pm

re: #217 FemNaziBitch

Ted Nugent?
oh wait…he adopts his victims…

222 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 2:39:28pm

re: #146 darthstar

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I guess the going rate for word salad has decreased substantially. Wonder what Faux Noise will pay her as her relevance continues to plummet.

223 urbanmeemaw  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 2:53:43pm

re: #68 Kragar

How can you tell the difference between a Feral Pig and the Texas GOP, other than the fact that pigs service a useful function in the food chain?

BTW, “Feral Pigs” is a great name for a heavy metal group.

224 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 2:59:43pm

re: #223 urbanmeemaw

How can you tell the difference between a Feral Pig and the Texas GOP, other than the fact that pigs service a useful function in the food chain?

BTW, “Feral Pigs” is a great name for a heavy metal group.

“Texas GOP” might also be strange enough and nihilistic enough for heavy metal act name.

225 urbanmeemaw  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 4:19:37pm

re: #224 EPR-radar

Heavy Metal is too kind and gentle for the Rethuglicans. I’m thinking more along the lines of a horror movie franchise. They are the Chucky Dolls we never had.

226 Lyssandri  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 7:42:34pm

I know that you clarify this in your opening paragraph – in big bold blue link letters no less – but I find it a bit amusing to have you disclaiming the Guardian for misleading headlines and then posting that Nidal was found guilty of 45 counts of murder, when it was 13 counts of murder and 32 counts of attempted murder. Like I said, you do clear it up very quickly, but it just made me laugh a little. :D


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