Edward Snowden Gives Washington Post the NSA “Black Budget”

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Only someone who believes the US should not be allowed to have any secrets at all could justify this latest release from Edward Snowden: ‘Black Budget’ Summary Details U.S. Spy Network’s Successes, Failures and Objectives.

How is it “whistle-blowing” to publish a document like this? What wrong-doing is being exposed?

We’re getting down to the real basics now — the battle between those who believe the US government has legitimate reasons to keep some intelligence secret, and those who simply want to blow it all up.

I can’t see this as anything other than pure destructive nihilism.

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275 comments
1 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:28:31am

When exactly did WaPo obtain these documents? Because I don’t think Snowden has given anything to anybody, except for the FSB.

2 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:29:36am

I still don’t get why this guy would work for the NSA. I mean if you have a philosophical objection to espionage, I understand that. But if you have that and you sign up to work for the NSA? I don’t know man. It just seems to me that Snowden had an agenda from the get go.

3 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:29:46am

Information wants to be Freep.

4 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:29:57am

Needs edit:

“We’re getting down to the real basics now — the battle between those who believe the U.S. government has legitimate reasons to keep some intelligence secret, and those who simply want to blow it all up.”

Because I don’t see anybody leaking anything from Russia or China.

5 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:30:51am

The budget shows that our intelligence spending is lower than the cold war period. The intelligence agencies have ballooned after 9/11, which is an attack that we didn’t see coming. They have remained high while we’ve been involved in long, protracted, and bitter wars in the Middle East. I would love for those budgets to be lower, and I’m sure there’s a shitload of programs I think are counterproductive or go too far, but espionage is part and parcel of diplomacy.

I don’t get how breaking out a budget it supposed to help public discourse.

6 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:30:52am

Redacted. But, Snowden has the documents and is in Russia. Also assume that other associates have the un-redacted copies.

7 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:31:03am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

I still don’t get why this guy would work for the NSA. I mean if you have a philosophical objection to espionage, I understand that. But if you have that and you sign up to work for the NSA? I don’t know man. It just seems to me that Snowden had an agenda from the get go.

He’s a sociopathic little asshole. I thought the NSA makes applicants take polygraphs (at least they did when I applied there in 1985) but maybe that requirement is waived for contractors.

8 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:32:20am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

I still don’t get why this guy would work for the NSA. I mean if you have a philosophical objection to espionage, I understand that. But if you have that and you sign up to work for the NSA? I don’t know man. It just seems to me that Snowden had an agenda from the get go.

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were whistleblowers.

(We really need that Moonbat font.)

9 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:32:36am

re: #5 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t get how breaking out a budget it supposed to help public discourse.

Because freedom!

10 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:32:42am

Treasonous little shit weasel.

11 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:32:46am

re: #7 Vicious Babushka

He’s a sociopathic little asshole. I thought the NSA makes applicants take polygraphs (at least they did when I applied there in 1985) but maybe that requirement is waived for contractors.

And maybe Snowden was a sociopath who could fool the polygraph.

I mean, look how many people he’s fooled into thinking he’s a whistleblower.
/

12 AlexRogan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:32:58am

re: #4 Internet Tough Guy

Needs edit:

“We’re getting down to the real basics now — the battle between those who believe the U.S. governments has legitimate reasons to keep some intelligence secret, and those who simply want to blow it all up.”

Because I don’t see anybody leaking anything from Russia or China.

Because someone of Snowden’s “status”, if caught and prosecuted here, may go to prison, whereas, if he were Russian or Chinese and did the same shit there to them, his ass would have been dead months ago.

True authoritarian states don’t tolerate leaks of their national dirty laundry and they have been known to plug those leaks with extreme prejudice.

13 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:35:50am

re: #12 AlexRogan

Because someone of Snowden’s “status”, if caught and prosecuted here, may go to prison, whereas, if he were Russian or Chinese and did the same shit there to them, his ass would have been dead months ago.

Of course, if you don’t ask, you don’t have to worry about that little detail.

14 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:36:22am

re: #7 Vicious Babushka

He’s a sociopathic little asshole. I thought the NSA makes applicants take polygraphs (at least they did when I applied there in 1985) but maybe that requirement is waived for contractors.

Yeah I agree. He is an little ass. I’d think NSA would too. As I said, I totally understand why one would personally have objections to doing this sort of work- it’s why none of the government departments and agencies I’ve applied to since graduation involve espionage.

15 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:37:20am
16 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:38:33am

Winter is coming comrade.

17 Norbrook  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:38:38am

One of the “interesting” things in the report is this:

The NSA planned to investigate at least 4,000 possible insider threats in 2013, cases in which the agency suspected sensitive information may have been compromised by one of its own. The budget documents show that the U.S. intelligence community has sought to strengthen its ability to detect what it calls “anomalous behavior” by personnel with access to highly classified material.

I think this counts as “let’s try to close the barn door after that big horse took off through it. ”

More seriously, given the number of “holes” in Snowden’s credentials, and his willingness to fudge his qualifications, it really does raise more questions about just how someone gets a security clearance these days. I remember being put through the wringer for mine, and I wasn’t anywhere near “highly classified materials” as part of my job.

18 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:41:03am
19 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:41:58am

re: #17 Norbrook

One of the “interesting” things in the report is this:

I think this counts as “let’s try to close the barn door after that big horse took off through it. “

More seriously, given the number of “holes” in Snowden’s credentials, and his willingness to fudge his qualifications, it really does raise more questions about just how someone gets a security clearance these days. I remember being put through the wringer for mine, and I wasn’t anywhere near “highly classified materials” as part of my job.

I did not even bother applying for the NSA even with a master’s degree in Russian in 1983 because my entire personal record was too suspect: they wanted a complete list of everywhere I had ever lived, for me, that included “various freinds’ sofas in Phoenix, Flagstaff and Sedona” and “the back of a pickup parked somewhere off Arizona State Highway 87”…

20 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:42:05am

Can’t wait to hear Greenwald’s justification for tearing down our intelligence infrastructure.

21 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:42:50am
Snowden, while working as a system administrator at Booz Allen, “borrowed the identities of users with higher level security clearances to grab sensitive documents,” and that the ongoing forensic investigation “has already identified several instances where Snowden borrowed someone else’s user profile to access documents.”

nymag.com

Borrowed. I guess he gave it back when he was done.

22 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:43:18am

I predict the next big Dudebro eruption is going to be:

[Dudebro]THE NSA CHOREOGRAPHED MILEY CYRUS’S PERFORMANCE IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE TO STOP TALKING ABOUT NSA & SNOWDEN!!!!11!!!![/Dudebro]

23 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:43:55am

When he’s least expecting it, he’s going to find himself handcuffed, with a black bag over his head, and someone forcing a suppository up his ass on-board a private jet heading to “nowhere”. I won’t feel pity for him….at all.

24 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:44:47am

re: #19 Sol Berdinowitz

I did not even bother applying for the NSA even with a master’s degree in Russian in 1983 because my entire personal record was too suspect: they wanted a complete list of everywhere I had ever lived, for me, that included “various freinds’ sofas in Phoenix, Flagstaff and Sedona” and “the back of a pickup parked somewhere off Arizona State Highway 87”…

I had lived in Israel for 4 years and they still wanted to recruit me.

I am kind of glad that I stopped the process and found another job somewhere else because about a year later, Pollard was busted.

25 andres  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:46:23am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

When he’s least expecting it, he’s going to find himself handcuffed, with a black bag over his head, and someone forcing a suppository up his ass on-board a private jet heading to “nowhere”. I won’t feel pity for him….at all.

I feel pity for the suppository, tho.

26 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:47:03am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

Which person? Snowden or Greenwald?

27 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:47:30am

re: #25 andres

I feel pity for the suppository, tho.

In Soviet Russia, YOU are shoved up ass of suppository!

28 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:51:12am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

I still don’t get why this guy would work for the NSA. I mean if you have a philosophical objection to espionage, I understand that. But if you have that and you sign up to work for the NSA? I don’t know man. It just seems to me that Snowden had an agenda from the get go.

Will he turn out to be a more creative and intelligent James O’Keefe?

29 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:52:02am

“I can’t see this as anything other than pure destructive nihilism.”

I think you nailed it, Charles.

30 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:52:18am

Afternoon all!

How is it now?

31 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:53:30am

re: #28 ObserverArt

Will he turn out to be a more creative and intelligent James O’Keefe?

Not really a high bar there.

32 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:53:32am

re: #26 ProTARDISLiberal

Which person? Snowden or Greenwald?

Snowden

33 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:53:54am

re: #26 ProTARDISLiberal

Which person? Snowden or Greenwald?

Yes.

34 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:54:18am
35 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:54:41am

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

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Signals stealing. Stealing.

36 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:54:51am

re: #21 Jeff In Ohio

nymag.com

Borrowed. I guess he gave it back when he was done.

So, he had to actively seek to corrupt the system in order to obtain documents?

They weren’t just handed to him with his super-sekrit security passcode as part of his regular job?

Is this correct?

37 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:55:22am

We may not like everything these agencies do, but they are lawful.

Edward Snowden went scofflaw and got into something he should have never seen. And he’s using it to try to bargain his way out of his dilemma.

38 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:55:52am

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

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Compared to what?

39 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:56:15am

THE HORROR!!!

40 jaunte  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:56:38am

re: #35 Gus

Signals stealing. Stealing.

Signals just want to be free.

41 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:56:41am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

I predict the next big Dudebro eruption is going to be:

[Dudebro]THE NSA CHOREOGRAPHED MILEY CYRUS’S PERFORMANCE IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE TO STOP TALKING ABOUT NSA & SNOWDEN!!!!11!!!![/Dudebro]

Seems to have shut up Darrell Issa too. But, he’ll probably have to check this NSA Miley Cyrus connection.

42 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:56:46am

re: #18 Gus

[Embedded content]

My guess is this stuff is already, more or less, already known.
en.wikipedia.org

Google search reveals plenty of info on past years budgets.

43 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:56:57am
44 blueraven  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:57:19am

Now it is all about sensationalism. Headlines to broaden the outrage.
Get the budget hawk, teaparty, Randian folks more worked up.

45 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:57:33am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

My guess is this stuff is already, more or less, already known.
en.wikipedia.org

Google search reveals plenty of info on past years budgets.

You mean it’s not just a bunch of thick blacked-out lines of text?

46 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:58:17am

I can’t wait for someone to Photoshop Snowden’s head onto a picture of Miley twerking.

Well actually I can wait.

47 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:59:23am

Finally, More Proof!

This just gives more credence to the theories about Michelle Bachmann.

48 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:59:30am

re: #31 Kragar

Not really a high bar there.

True. But so far, more damaging.

Gotta wonder if being a one-man army against The Man by using the internet isn’t going to be a bit fashionable.

49 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:00:37am

GOHMERT!

Gohmert: Iraq Had WMD, ‘Rumors’ They Moved Stockpile To Syria

Discussing the Syria crisis yesterday, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) insisted that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, even though the government’s Iraq Survey Group found that the country did not possess such weapons or the capability of producing them. “Yes, we knew that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,” Gohmert said on Washington Watch, citing Saddam Hussein’s 1988 gas attack against Kurds in Halabja.

“There were rumors about them moving over into Syria and other countries but they never were able to verify where they went but we knew he had them,” the congressman charged, referring to false claims that Iraq moved its weapons to Syria. “There was talk about nuclear arms, but we knew he had those and now we know Syria has them.”

The ISG report confirmed that Iraq also had no nuclear program.

50 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:00:56am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

I can’t wait for someone to Photoshop Snowden’s head onto a picture of Miley twerking.

Well actually I can wait.

I really didn’t know it was a real word.

I feel so lame.

51 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:01:26am

re: #30 FemNaziBitch

Afternoon all!

How is it now?

It’s paperwork, repetitive emails, and engineer Kittehs all the way down.

52 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:02:33am
re: #49 Kragar

Gohmert: Iraq Had WMD, ‘Rumors’ They Moved Stockpile To Syria

hmmmmmmmm, so if Iraq’s chemical weapons were the reason to justify the invasion of Iraq, how come the RWNJs are not demanding that the US invade Syria??????

53 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:02:41am

re: #51 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s paperwork, repetitive emails, and engineer Kittehs all the way down.

engineer Kittehs?

Now, that is scary.

54 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:03:16am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

hmmmmmmmm, so if Iraq’s chemical weapons were the reason to justify the invasion of Iraq, how come the RWNJs are not demanding that the US invade Syria??????

DIWH.

55 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:03:30am
‘My sole motive is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them.’ - Comrade Snowden
56 jaunte  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:04:37am

Well that’s nice.

57 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:05:56am

re: #47 FemNaziBitch

So, we’re all Martians?

58 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:06:20am

re: #56 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Well that’s nice.

What’s the difference between Gellman deciding what should be secret and a trained, informed government employee deciding what should be secret?

59 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:06:35am

re: #56 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Well that’s nice.

Well, I’m glad fucknugget was appointed as the official releasing agent for US classified material.
/

60 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:06:49am

re: #49 Kragar

GOHMERT!

Gohmert: Iraq Had WMD, ‘Rumors’ They Moved Stockpile To Syria

Shelf lives, how the fuck do they work?

61 jaunte  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:07:23am

Gellman took a vote, and it was unanimous.

62 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:07:45am

re: #60 Lidane

Shelf lives, how the fuck do they work?

They keep their brains in hermetically sealed information free environments.

63 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:08:02am
64 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:08:15am

re: #45 FemNaziBitch

You mean it’s not just a bunch of thick blacked-out lines of text?

There are plenty of redactions but the info on past years budget can be obtained from the government. Pay 15 bucks and they’ll send you a photocopy.
historycoalition.org

65 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:08:28am

re: #56 jaunte

Snowden gave no instructions & has no role in story choices. He asked that I select for news & avoid damage.

Do those sentences contradict each other? ‘Select for news & avoid damage’ sounds like an instruction.

66 Ming  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:09:23am

I very much agree with the blog post, and if you’ll bear with me, I’d like to share my reaction.

When Charles says, “I can’t see this as anything other than pure destructive nihilism.” I agree 100%.

The reaction I had: it feels odd to really agree that “pure destructive nihilism” is going on, and NOT have it coming entirely from “the usual suspects”, i.e. the right wing.

So, we have the GOP in Congress blocking so many things, e.g. Obama’s attempts to appoint federal judges, and now we have some “other actors” (moonbats? emo? whatever) who are happy to undermine American national security. Not good.

67 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:09:34am

re: #64 Killgore Trout

There are plenty of redactions but the info on past years budget can be obtained from the government. Pay 15 bucks and they’ll send you a photocopy.
historycoalition.org

Or go to your local flea market and get it for $5!!
/ (kinda)

ADDED BONUS ,, getting it via the flea market route ,, it comes framed WITH Elvis’s signature!!

68 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:12:03am
69 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:13:39am
70 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:13:58am

re: #50 FemNaziBitch

Everything old is new. We used to dance to this song when I was a young teen, and we knew exactly what “work” meant.

Youtube Video

Hank Ballard and the Midnighters followed with this one Youtube Video

Both were #1 on the R&B chart. Detroit rhythm & blues, baby! I could teach Mylie a few genuine dance moves, geriatric that I am. : )

71 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:14:33am

I don’t really blame Gellman or the Washington Post, because I don’t expect them to do anything else. They’re in the business of selling news, and this will obviously achieve that.

But Snowden is acting out of pure malice toward the US. And anyone who doesn’t believe Russia now has everything he stole, unredacted and unencrypted, is an idiot.

72 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:16:27am

Do The Oop-Poo-Pah-Doo

Youtube Video

73 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:17:07am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

I don’t really blame Gellman or the Washington Post, because I don’t expect them to do anything else. They’re in the business of selling news, and this will obviously achieve that.

But Snowden is acting out of pure malice toward the US. And anyone who doesn’t believe Russia now has everything he stole, unredacted and unencrypted, is an idiot.

I am not sure how much of Snowden’s motivation was malice, and how much was narcissism.

74 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:17:17am
He asked that I select for news & avoid damage.

So all that he wanted was attention.

No wonder Glenn found him so easy to work.

75 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:17:38am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

And anyone who doesn’t believe Russia now has everything he stole, unredacted and unencrypted

I told all here that when Snowden was holed up at the Moscow airport, and also stated he wasn’t leaving there (to whatever asylum “safe haven”) until Putin obtained everything

76 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:17:54am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

I am not sure how much of Snowden’s motivation was malice, and how much was narcissism.

I think it has more to do with Snowden being the dumbest f*cking genius to ever walk the planet.

77 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:18:32am

re: #70 Justanotherhuman

Everything old is new. We used to dance to this song when I was a young teen, and we knew exactly what “work” meant.

[Embedded content]

Both were #1 on the R&B chart. Detroit rhythm & blues, baby! I could teach Mylie a few genuine dance moves, geriatric that I am. : )

Don’t forget about Butcher Pete:

Youtube Video

78 jaunte  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:19:25am

re: #76 b.d.

From Hawaii to Moscow. Genius!

79 Ming  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:20:13am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

I am not sure how much of Snowden’s motivation was malice, and how much was narcissism.

At this point, Edward may simply be doing whatever his “hosts” order him to do.

80 simoom  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:21:02am


From the article:

The Washington Post is withholding some information after consultation with U.S. officials who expressed concerns about the risk to intelligence sources and methods. Sensitive details are so pervasive in the documents that The Post is publishing only summary tables and charts online.

And of course from that previous SPIEGEL story:

spiegel.de

SPIEGEL has decided not to publish details it has seen about secret operations that could endanger the lives of NSA workers. Nor is it publishing the related internal code words.

And finally from Greenwald & Snowden’s false flag conspiracy write-up following the UK Independent’s story:

theguardian.com

This is the first time the Independent has published any revelations purportedly from the NSA documents, and it’s the type of disclosure which journalists working directly with NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden have thus far avoided. …

Snowden: “The journalists I have worked with have, at my request, been judicious and careful in ensuring that the only things disclosed are what the public should know but that does not place any person in danger.”

Do neither of these morons see the issue with spreading information this sensitive into more and more hands (w/ varying amounts of technical competence), onto networks and computers (w/ varying degrees of security), whether or not editors exercise some minimal restraint? All these major papers have been compromised by foreign hackers in the past, and obviously they’re just creating more incentive for further cyber espionage now.

81 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:21:13am

re: #20 darthstar

Can’t wait to hear Greenwald’s justification for tearing down our intelligence infrastructure.

There wont’ be one. He’ll only ever talk to people who share his psychosis. Epistemologic closure: not just for RWNJs!

(Although, before I look like a South Parking asshole, they do it a lot more than anyone else.)

82 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:21:56am

re: #57 ProTARDISLiberal

So, we’re all Martians?

That would explain a lot.

83 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:23:41am

re: #80 simoom

“…avoid damage.”

To Snowden?

84 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:26:47am

Strangly, The Greenwaldian is silent about this latest from WAPO.

85 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:28:45am

re: #84 Justanotherhuman

Strangly, The Greenwaldian is silent about this latest from WAPO.

The Guardian cut his ass out of the loop by teaming up with the NYT on all future Snowden stories (that’s the way it appears).

I wouldn’t be suprised that Glenn is sulking and trying to figure out a way to discredit The Guardian and Snowden now.

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:30:10am

re: #85 b.d.

The Guardian cut his ass out of the loop by teaming up with the NYT on all future Snowden stories (that’s the way it appears).

I wouldn’t be suprised that Glenn is sulking and trying to figure out a way to discredit The Guardian and Snowden now.

He’ll just arrange a monster dump of everything via Wikileaks so that the Guardian and NYT can’t drip out stories in order to stretch out interest and sales.

87 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:34:24am

re: #85 b.d.

The Guardian cut his ass out of the loop by teaming up with the NYT on all future Snowden stories (that’s the way it appears).

I wouldn’t be suprised that Glenn is sulking and trying to figure out a way to discredit The Guardian and Snowden now.

He’ll tell everyone not to trust Snowden.

/

88 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:35:54am

re: #85 b.d.

The Guardian cut his ass out of the loop by teaming up with the NYT on all future Snowden stories (that’s the way it appears).

I wouldn’t be suprised that Glenn is sulking and trying to figure out a way to discredit The Guardian and Snowden now.

Glenn is still nursing his butthurt after Miley’s twerkshow completely blocked him out of all media for 24 hours.

89 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:35:58am

The NRO launched a satellite yesterday. That’s all part of that black budget. They maintain a fleet of satellites, and while the cost of the launch alone was a couple hundred million, the satellite is a multibillion dollar enterprise involving aerospace companies, tech companies putting the latest surveillance gear, and other equipment on board.

It’s job is similar to that of the NSA - get intel that it can’t get from humint, or even terrestrial sigint.

I recall seeing a joke somewhere that the Hubble was only possible because the NRO turned one of its satellites around and realized that they got a really really good view of things.

In fact, the NRO has turned over some of its unused equipment to NASA precisely because they have similar capabilities needed for astrophysics research.

While there’s an educational component of knowing where the black budget is going (and how much of the effort goes into data collection, database management, and equipment costs - especially for the NRO), why give anyone - especially current or future enemies - any insight into how and where the country is prioritizing its intel gathering?

There’s a reason that yesterday’s launch was publicly televised - up to a point. It was then blacked out so as to limit the ability of people to figure out its ultimate track; why give North Korea or Iran or Assad (or Putin, or China or anyone else) know when we’re about to go overhead so that they can prepare accordingly? They may eventually figure it out based on publicly available knowledge of the launch (time, date, lat/long, booster type, etc.) but why make it easy for them.

90 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:36:34am

Google Earth pic of Burning Man

Image: burning-man.jpg

91 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:37:57am
92 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:39:13am

re: #36 FemNaziBitch

So, he had to actively seek to corrupt the system in order to obtain documents?

They weren’t just handed to him with his super-sekrit security passcode as part of his regular job?

Is this correct?

Right. Say I took a job with a company. Purposely “borrowed” username/passwords from other higher up employees. Took the company’s trade secrets. Gave them to another competitor company. What is that called? I think it is called “corporate espionage”. So what should we call what Snowjob did?

93 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:40:17am

re: #92 Eventual Carrion

Right. Say I took a job with a company. Purposely “borrowed” username/passwords from other higher up employees. Took the company’s trade secrets. Gave them to another competitor company. What is that called? I think it is called “corporate espionage”. So what should we call what Snowjob did?

Spying.

94 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:41:21am

re: #92 Eventual Carrion

Right. Say I took a job with a company. Purposely “borrowed” username/passwords from other higher up employees. Took the company’s trade secrets. Gave them to another competitor company. What is that called? I think it is called “corporate espionage”. So what should we call what Snowjob did?

Theft.

95 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:41:50am

re: #93 Kragar

Spying.

Was just going to type the same, but was going to put it as a traitorous spy since it involves government secrets.

96 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:42:06am
97 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:42:37am

some people just want to watch the world burn I suppose. Still, I’m sure that we have to keep our eyes on the issue and not the source, right? Because I’m sure that his motives were based on his patriotism and love of country and he hates seeing us sully ourselves with all of this inappropriate spying on everyone else, we should be above that, a shining testament for all other nations to emulate. //

98 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:42:50am
99 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:43:34am

re: #91 NJDhockeyfan

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Snowden stole passwords and stole people’s identities to steal. Cut to the chase NBC.

Any other victim besides the United States government and the world would be clamouring for him to be thrown underneath the jail house.

100 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:44:28am

Greenwald said to Snowflake, “Stick with me kiddo, I’m gonna make you a star!”

101 simoom  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:44:40am

Trevor Timm, one of Greenwald & Poitras’ PressFreedomFoundation pals suggesting Snowden has no responsibility for what happens to State Secrets after he dumps them to journalists.

102 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:45:24am

Resistance is futile.

103 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:45:54am

Damn…some stunning naivete going around today.

104 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:45:59am

re: #92 Eventual Carrion

Right. Say I took a job with a company. Purposely “borrowed” username/passwords from other higher up employees. Took the company’s trade secrets. Gave them to another competitor company. What is that called? I think it is called “corporate espionage”. So what should we call what Snowjob did?

Fired. And prosecuted.

105 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:46:35am

re: #102 darthstar

Resistance is futile.

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Can’t wait to see the derppy reaction a story about net emigration from California is sure to cause among the rightists.

106 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:47:43am

re: #92 Eventual Carrion

Depends. Is the president a Democrat?

107 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:48:01am

Snowden’s actions and the NBC Investigative report shows that he was actively engaging in espionage. He wasn’t merely seeking those documents within his own compartment. He was actively looking to exploit his SYSADMIN privileges and access other user accounts and their clearances to gain access to documents above his own clearance level.

That indicates intent to do more than merely whistleblow based on the documents he had access to. He wanted to seriously damage the NSA’s operations.

At some point, investigators or even the journalists reporting this, should be able to tell people whether the document that Snowden provided them was from those within his own clearance level and those that were pilfered from other accounts.

Even if you want to claim he’s a whistleblower on his own documents, you’re going to have a much harder time making the case on actively engaging in criminal acts to access other accounts and higher classification levels.

Moreover, this is a further distinguishing feature when compared to Ellsberg (a Greenwald favorite tactic). Ellsberg released the RAND Corp study to the NYT, that was within his own classification level and actual personal knowledge - either from working on the documents directly or being directly involved in the project.

Snowden? He purposefully bypassed security, exploited sysadmin privileges, and sought out documents above his classification level all with the intent of fleeing the country.

Snowden ≠ Ellsberg. This is proof.

108 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:48:08am

So now we can add “identity theft” to Snowden’s list of crimes.

109 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:48:14am

re: #106 Internet Tough Guy

Depends. Is the president a Democrat?

Related followup, is he an blah?

110 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:49:39am

re: #101 simoom

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Trevor Timm, One of Greenwald’s PressFreedomFoundation pals suggesting Snowden has no responsibility for what happens to State Secrets after he dumps them to journalists.

And no one forced Snowden to steal state secrets, either. It was a collaboration, and we know who his partners are.

111 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:50:07am

re: #107 lawhawk

Well said - Snowden’s also on record now saying he never intended to go the whistle blower route, but was planning to flee to escape prosecution from the start.

You should post this as an opinion page.

112 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:51:14am

This guy finds the greatest photos…

113 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:51:45am

OT

MS Supreme Court upholds controversial Open Carry gun law

The Mississippi Supreme Court has upheld the state’s open carry-gun law, allowing it to take effect after a circuit judge’s order kept it on hold about two months.

Justices ruled unanimously that Hinds County Circuit Judge Winston Kidd erred when he found the law vague and therefore unconstitutional.

Earlier this year, legislators passed and Gov. Phil Bryant signed House Bill 2, which says adults don’t need a permit to carry a gun that’s not concealed.

Several officials, including the Hinds County district attorney, sued to block the law, and Kidd put it on hold just before it was to take effect July 1.

114 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:52:47am

re: #108 Charles Johnson

So now we can add “identity theft” to Snowden’s list of crimes.

All part of the tools of a spying tool!

It puts some crimps in the whole whistleblower thing too.

115 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:53:01am

re: #107 lawhawk

Snowden’s actions and the NBC Investigative report shows that he was actively engaging in espionage. He wasn’t merely seeking those documents within his own compartment. He was actively looking to exploit his SYSADMIN privileges and access other user accounts and their clearances to gain access to documents above his own clearance level.

That indicates intent to do more than merely whistleblow based on the documents he had access to. He wanted to seriously damage the NSA’s operations.

At some point, investigators or even the journalists reporting this, should be able to tell people whether the document that Snowden provided them was from those within his own clearance level and those that were pilfered from other accounts.

Even if you want to claim he’s a whistleblower on his own documents, you’re going to have a much harder time making the case on actively engaging in criminal acts to access other accounts and higher classification levels.

Moreover, this is a further distinguishing feature when compared to Ellsberg (a Greenwald favorite tactic). Ellsberg released the RAND Corp study to the NYT, that was within his own classification level and actual personal knowledge - either from working on the documents directly or being directly involved in the project.

Snowden? He purposefully bypassed security, exploited sysadmin privileges, and sought out documents above his classification level all with the intent of fleeing the country.

Snowden ≠ Ellsberg. This is proof.

116 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:54:34am

re: #107 lawhawk

Snowden’s actions and the NBC Investigative report shows that he was actively engaging in espionage. He wasn’t merely seeking those documents within his own compartment. He was actively looking to exploit his SYSADMIN privileges and access other user accounts and their clearances to gain access to documents above his own clearance level.

That indicates intent to do more than merely whistleblow based on the documents he had access to. He wanted to seriously damage the NSA’s operations.

At some point, investigators or even the journalists reporting this, should be able to tell people whether the document that Snowden provided them was from those within his own clearance level and those that were pilfered from other accounts.

Even if you want to claim he’s a whistleblower on his own documents, you’re going to have a much harder time making the case on actively engaging in criminal acts to access other accounts and higher classification levels.

Moreover, this is a further distinguishing feature when compared to Ellsberg (a Greenwald favorite tactic). Ellsberg released the RAND Corp study to the NYT, that was within his own classification level and actual personal knowledge - either from working on the documents directly or being directly involved in the project.

Snowden? He purposefully bypassed security, exploited sysadmin privileges, and sought out documents above his classification level all with the intent of fleeing the country.

Snowden ≠ Ellsberg. This is proof.

Most excellent synopsis!

117 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:55:35am

re: #107 lawhawk

Snowden ≠ Ellsberg. This is proof.

[Dudebro]But Ellsberg himself said……!!!1!!!!![/Dudebro]

118 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:55:35am

re: #111 Charles Johnson

As…. you…. wish….

119 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:56:27am

re: #80 simoom

I thought the code was CPE1704TKS?

120 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:57:06am

this is strange, when all of this crap broke and Snowden had fled to Hong Kong, I suggested that this was essentially espionage and scary to say, it sure as hell looks like it today. Only a couple of questions remain in my mind, such as who is playing who? Are the Russians playing GG, i.e. was Snowden their tool all along and using GG and Wiki to cover his tracks or are the Wikileaks folks attempting to play us all and the Russians and Chinese willing buyers making them an outside entity challenging the nation-state construct as we know it?

121 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:57:11am

OUTRAGE!

122 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:57:19am

re: #92 Eventual Carrion

Right. Say I took a job with a company. Purposely “borrowed” username/passwords from other higher up employees. Took the company’s trade secrets. Gave them to another competitor company. What is that called? I think it is called “corporate espionage”. So what should we call what Snowjob did?

I GUESS, for me this means that Snowden is a criminal. The idea that any employee can “spy” on individual Americans or whatever as a part of their day is naive. It would take a bit of ‘WORK” to do so for the average intelligence cubicle warmer.

There are systems in place, yet no system is perfect.

123 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:58:38am

re: #121 Lidane

That sound you hear is Bryan Fischer whimpering in a corner somewhere.

124 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:58:40am

re: #120 piratedan

this is strange, when all of this crap broke and Snowden had fled to Hong Kong, I suggested that this was essentially espionage and scary to say, it sure as hell looks like it today, only a couple of questions remain in my mind, who is playing who? Are the Russians playing GG or are the Wikileaks folks attempting to play us all?

Greenwald and Wikileaks had the bag of cookies but Putin grabbed it away from them.

125 Ming  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:59:08am

re: #78 jaunte

From Hawaii to Moscow. Genius!

Maybe he was afraid of commitment?

126 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:59:50am

re: #119 Jack Burton

No, that’s what we tell the noobs.

Real professionals know it is 123456_OHSHIT

127 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:01:20pm

I wonder whose credit card Snowden “borrowed” to book his flight to Hong Kong.

128 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:02:01pm

re: #127 b.d.

I wonder whose credit card Snowden “borrowed” to book his flight to Hong Kong.

Same card he used to pay for the $600/night hotel room.

129 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:02:04pm
130 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:02:34pm

re: #118 lawhawk

As…. you…. wish….

WESLEY!

131 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:02:36pm

re: #120 piratedan

Are the Russians playing GG or are the Wikileaks folks attempting to play us all?

Putin plays for Putin. Once Snowden decided to go through Moscow to try to get to wherever it was that would give him asylum, Putin wasn’t letting him out of that “lounge” till after the Russians got every bit of info Snowden carried, both in/on puters and what was in Snowdens head

period

132 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:03:39pm

re: #131 sattv4u2

Are the Russians playing GG or are the Wikileaks folks attempting to play us all?

Putin plays for Putin. Once Snowden decided to go through Moscow to try to get to wherever it was that would give him asylum, Putin wasn’t letting him out of that “lounge” till after the Russians got every bit of info Snowden carried, both in/on puters and what was in Snowdens head

period

Sadly too true.

133 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:03:45pm

LOOKEE! what I found.

134 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:04:29pm

re: #120 piratedan

re: #131 sattv4u2

AND ,, I have a sneaking suspicion thats why Putin allowed Snowden ‘asylum” in Russia, just in case Snowden had a tidbit or two that he hasn’t revealed yet.

135 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:05:12pm

Rapert: ‘It’s More Important To Do What Is Right By God’ Than By My Constituents

Rapert stated that it is not the will of 80,000 constituents that he represents but rather the will of God because “there’s only one vote that matters and that’s when I stand before the Lord at the judgment seat.”

“It’s more important to do what is right by God,” Rapert said, “than it is to please those that would rather have me talk about pro-life but not really do much about pro-life.”

He then went on to discuss the recent showdown in Texas over its own restrictive abortion legislation, saying of those who where there protesting the legislation that “I’ve never had a glimpse of Hell or heard a real demon, but I believe that must be what they sound like … It’s spiritual warfare”:

136 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:05:20pm

re: #134 sattv4u2

AND ,, I have a sneaking suspicion thats why Putin allowed Snowden ‘asylum” in Russia, just in case Snowden had a tidbit or two that he hasn’t revealed yet.

He’ll make a great Putin Puppet.

137 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:07:15pm

re: #134 sattv4u2

AND ,, I have a sneaking suspicion thats why Putin allowed Snowden ‘asylum” in Russia, just in case Snowden had a tidbit or two that he hasn’t revealed yet.

Snowden (or his handler) in some “statement” released by Greenwald, claimed he could “withstand torture” but he broke after 6 weeks without Internet.

Wait he still has no Internets.

138 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:07:22pm

re: #133 FemNaziBitch

Damn it only for iphones though. I want one for my Galaxy III. That’s really cool.

139 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:07:43pm

re: #136 ObserverArt

He’ll make a great Putin Puppet.

Nahh,,, after a year, year and a half or so once Putin either gets those last tidbits or decides Snowden doesn’t have anything else, the Russians will allow Snowden to go somewhere that will take him. Putin won’t return him to the USA. Just one more thumb in the eye to us by him

140 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:08:11pm

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

Greenwald and Wikileaks had the bag of cookies but Putin grabbed it away from them.

Actually, Laura Poitras has the “bag of cookies” as well, some or all of which Miranda was attempting to transport back to Greenwald (probably copies on the flash drives).

141 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:09:14pm

re: #133 FemNaziBitch

LOOKEE! what I found.

No iPhone 5… :(

142 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:09:28pm

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

Snowden (or his handler) in some “statement” released by Greenwald, claimed he could “withstand torture” but he broke after 6 weeks without Internet.

Wait he still has no Internets.

There was no torture involved. No need. Putin played the waiting game. Snowden, knowing he wasn’t leaving that airport without Putins okay, WILLINGLY gave all the info to the Russins

143 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:09:51pm

re: #140 Justanotherhuman

Actually, Laura Poitras has the “bag of cookies” as well, some or all of which Miranda was attempting to transport back to Greenwald (probably copies on the flash drives).

I don’t know how much, if any, secure information was being carried by Miranda, that stunt was just as staged as Miley’s twerk performance.

144 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:10:13pm

re: #142 sattv4u2

There was no torture involved. No need. Putin played the waiting game. Snowden, knowing he wasn’t leaving that airport without Putins okay, WILLINGLY gave all the info to the Russins

he could have destroyed the hard drives rather than hand them over…

145 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:10:33pm

DOJ announces change to Marijuana policy

The Justice Department will not sue Colorado and Washington over their marijuana legalization laws, a department spokesman told TPM on Thursday afternoon, announcing a change in marijuana enforcement policy.

The aide said the DOJ has spoken to the state’s two governors and has received reassurances that state enforcement of the laws will not infringe on a series of a new federal priorities the Department is set to release.

“The Attorney General has called the two governors of those states today and told them … it’s up to them to make sure they’re able to regulate their marijuana policies significantly to make sure it doesn’t infringe on our enforcement priorities,” he said, speaking on condition of anonymity. “Based on assurances from the two governors that the laws will not infringe on them, the DOJ is not going to seek to challenge those two laws.”

146 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:11:11pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

It’s now up, and I’ve expanded and clarified a few details.

147 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:11:30pm

re: #144 Sol Berdinowitz

he could have destroyed the hard drives rather than hand them over…

And then Putin would have handed him over to the USA!

148 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:12:06pm

re: #144 Sol Berdinowitz

re: #147 sattv4u2

And then Putin would have handed him over to the USA!

Again, Putin was playing the waiting game, knowing he held all the cards

149 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:12:34pm

re: #130 Kragar

My other response would have been “By your command…” but that was a bit too dated (original BSG).

150 Lago  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:12:39pm

What annoys me is the response by many that this budget is secret out of shame. That people who work in the intelligence community are doing something shameful. It’s like arguing that having a password to access your bank account must mean you are ashamed of your money.

151 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:12:41pm

Wikileaks’ ties to Snowden journalists

After being repeatedly threatened in 2010, banks and credit card companies declined to process any donations for Wikileaks. By the end of 2012 Wikileaks was running perilously short on cash. A new U.S.-based group, the Freedom of the Press Foundation, launched with the explicit purpose of funneling cash to Wikileaks.

On its board of directors are Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, the two journalists to whom Snowden chose to leak his documents. In an interview with Harper’s, Greenwald, the only human being followed by the Wikileaks account and a long-time defender and correspondent of Assange, says Snowden initially emailed him around the same time this foundation launched. He says he initially ignored them.

More at Has Wikileaks Been Infiltrated by Russian Spies?

152 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:13:07pm

re: #147 sattv4u2

And then Putin would have handed him over to the USA!

In one piece or in a body bag after a most unfortunate accident?

/

153 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:13:26pm

re: #146 lawhawk

It’s now up, and I’ve expanded and clarified a few details.

Add a thumbnail pic of Snowden.

154 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:14:15pm

re: #151 Gus

Wikileaks’ ties to Snowden journalists

More at Has Wikileaks Been Infiltrated by Russian Spies?

Assange got his Kremlin show after he threatened to publish embarrassing documents on Russia’s political elite in 2010, but relented after an FSB official hinted at violent reprisal against Wikileaks. Those documents were never published.

155 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:14:38pm

re: #152 ObserverArt

In one piece or in a body bag after a most unfortunate accident?

/

One piece. It wouldn’t be in Putins best interest to bag and tag him. Without any info, give Snowden back to the USA and let them deal with it

156 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:15:31pm

re: #150 Lago

What annoys me is the response by many that this budget is secret out of shame. That people who work in the intelligence community are doing something shameful. It’s like arguing that having a password to access your bank account must mean you are ashamed of your money.

Or like not going door to door handing out copies of your 1040 means you’re ashamed of your job.

157 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:15:37pm

re: #129 Gus

I’d go one further. Is Wikileaks really just a front group for the FSB? It wouldn’t be surprising if that connection were made years from now, but for a group that repeatedly claims to want information to be free, it has no real interest in releasing information relating to Russia or its security apparatus, and a fixation on all things relating to the US.

158 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:16:08pm

re: #133 FemNaziBitch

LOOKEE! what I found.

Nice looking. However, I keep my wallet away from my iPhone due to issues with the phone signals affecting magnetic cards - usually stuff like electronic hotel room keys.

159 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:16:21pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

I don’t know how much, if any, secure information was being carried by Miranda, that stunt was just as staged as Miley’s twerk performance.

I’m not so sure it was a stunt. After all, IIRC, Greenwald did not have all the info, just a portion of it. And he wanted it all, too. He’s been stymied, and thus, all the brouhaha over Miranda being detained.

I really think as “spies” and intriguers, they’re pretty dumb. GG didn’t think Miranda would be as “noticed” as he would have been, but no doubt the Brits had Miranda on their “watch” list.

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:17:09pm

re: #135 Kragar

Rapert: ‘It’s More Important To Do What Is Right By God’ Than By My Constituents

If his constituents had any brains they’d toss him in the next election on the basis of that statement alone.

161 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:17:27pm

re: #150 Lago

Welcome, hatchling.

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:18:48pm

re: #149 lawhawk

My other response would have been “By your command…” but that was a bit too dated (original BSG).

But the orignal (book) Cylons were alien lizards who wore armor, and not totally robots.

163 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:18:53pm

re: #157 lawhawk

I’d go one further. Is Wikileaks really just a front group for the FSB? It wouldn’t be surprising if that connection were made years from now, but for a group that repeatedly claims to want information to be free, it has no real interest in releasing information relating to Russia or its security apparatus, and a fixation on all things relating to the US.

Now, wouldn’t that blow a lot of minds about this whole internet spying thing? All of the angry left that is bummed by Obama and his letting them down wouldn’t know what to think. Their heroes would either not be or have been played.

It’ll probably happen.

164 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:20:15pm
165 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:21:34pm

re: #162 Feline Fearless Leader

But the orignal (book) Cylons were alien lizards who wore armor, and not totally robots.

Oh my g-d, Alex Jones was right!

166 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:22:12pm

re: #164 Gus

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heh,, he looks like the guy (alien) that ran the pawn shop in Men In Black. The one that Tommy Lee Jones ‘shot’ his head off and it grew right back

167 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:22:34pm
168 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:22:59pm

re: #164 Gus

re: #166 sattv4u2

heh,, he looks like the guy (alien) that ran the pawn shop in Men In Black. The one that Tommy Lee Jones ‘shot’ his head off and it grew right back

meninblack.wikia.com

169 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:23:42pm

re: #166 sattv4u2

heh,, he looks like the guy (alien) that ran the pawn shop in Men In Black. The one that Tommy Lee Jones ‘shot’ his head off and it grew right back

Haha. That was Tony Shalhoub.

170 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:23:55pm

re: #169 Lidane

Haha. That was Tony Shalhoub.

Yup

171 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:24:55pm

I am not defending Snowden, but it does appear that the Washington Post is being somewhat responsible with the information that Snowden gave it. If Snowden really wanted to maximize the harm, he could provide the information to an organization that would not be responsible at all with it. But, he might do that yet.

172 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:25:06pm

OT: I posted that Fox News ‘50 years after MoW, some are concerned with rap music’ pic on my Facebook, just for giggles.

Hilarious side-effect: A conservative friend of mine is white-splaining how bad black neighborhoods are to another friend of mine. Unbeknownst to my white-splaining conservative friend, the guy who he’s ‘educating’ about black neighborhoods is…black.

We’re having a right laugh over it via PM. My friend is just going to let the white-splainer go on for a while, then let him in on his ethnicity. Good times.

173 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:25:54pm

re: #171 Lawrence Schmerel

I am not defending Snowden, but it does appear that the Washington Post is being somewhat responsible with information he provided them. If Snowden really wanted to maximize the harm, he could provide the information to an organization that would not be responsible at all with it. But, he might do that yet.

Wikileaks is responsible?

174 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:26:02pm

re: #171 Lawrence Schmerel

I am not defending Snowden, but it does appear that the Washington Post is being somewhat responsible with information he provided them. If Snowden really wanted to maximize the harm, he could provide the information to an organization that would not be responsible at all with it. But, he might do that yet.

An organization like Russia?

/

175 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:26:11pm

re: #172 makeitstop

Popcorn futures look good.

176 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:27:19pm

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

I thought Snowden gave the information to the Washington Post. But if it was Wikileaks, it doesn’t change much. They have the same game plan.

177 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:27:26pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

Do you have a link for this:

Snowden’s also on record now saying he never intended to go the whistle blower route, but was planning to flee to escape prosecution from the start.

If he never originally intended to be a whistle blower, then what was the point of going and taking all those documents in the first place if not to undermine US national security and engage in espionage?

178 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:28:06pm

Just got the word, my neighbor’s daughter is “Okay”. She broke a knee cap and her other leg has severe abrasions, but she is expected to be able to walk again and had no life threatening injuries.

179 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:28:40pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

I know it would be safe to assume that he did, but do we know for sure that he did give it to the Russians?

180 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:29:11pm

re: #179 Lawrence Schmerel

I know it would be safe to assume that he did, but do we know for sure that he did give it to the Russians?

Is that a rhetorical question?

181 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:29:23pm

re: #171 Lawrence Schmerel

The WaPo isn’t breaking down the budgeting information into specific programs or action items. But details like just what went into supporting the OBL raid may preclude attempting a future operation utilizing those assets in the same fashion - by knowing where/how intel assets are arrayed, you might be able to exploit them to avoid detection or make it more difficult to carry out the operation by putting out false chatter.

182 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:29:51pm

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

Also, I see your point. He gave it to Wikileaks which is not a responsible organization.

183 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:30:26pm

re: #121 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

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That is good news. In other good news, my hometown, Frankfort, Kentucky, just passed a fairness ordinance prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, the fifth Kentucky town to do so.

184 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:31:19pm
185 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:31:33pm

re: #179 Lawrence Schmerel

I know it would be safe to assume that he did, but do we know for sure that he did give it to the Russians?

There are only two explanation as to why Putin allowed Snowden to stay instead of delivering him to the USA

1) Snowden gave the Russians what he had
2) Snowden promised to give the Russians what he has over time

186 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:34:26pm

re: #185 sattv4u2

There are only two explanation as to why Putin allowed Snowden to stay instead of delivering him to the USA

1) Snowden gave the Russians what he had
2) Snowden promised to give the Russians what he has over time

I think there may be a third explanation: The Russians don’t want him to tell the U.S. what he told them.

187 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:34:34pm

re: #185 sattv4u2

“allowed Snowden to stay”

I wonder about that. I bet he would like to leave, actually. The Russians are “allowing” him to stay though. I am sure the Russians eventually will have all that he has, if they don’t already.

188 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:34:57pm
189 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:36:31pm

re: #186 aagcobb

I think there may be a third explanation: The Russians don’t want him to tell the U.S. what he told them.

That would pre-suppose either 1 or 2

190 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:36:55pm

re: #186 aagcobb

I think there may be a third explanation: The Russians don’t want him to tell the U.S. what he told them.

A fourth motive could be simply to irritate the US.

191 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:37:34pm

re: #189 sattv4u2

That would pre-suppose either 1 or 2

Not necessarily. If he told them nothing and doesn’t plan to,
Russia wouldn’t want the U.S. to know that either.

192 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:37:44pm

re: #187 Lawrence Schmerel

“allowed Snowden to stay”

I wonder about that. I bet he would like to leave, actually. The Russians are “allowing” him to stay though. I am sure the Russians will have what he has if they don’t already.

he may in fact WANT to leave, but without a formal invite to somewhere else AND the Russians giving the okay that won’t happen

So again, Putin had/ has all the cards

193 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:38:52pm

re: #191 aagcobb

Not necessarily. If he told them nothing and doesn’t plan to,
Russia wouldn’t want the U.S. to know that either.

They (the Russians) wouldn’t give a rats ass. Snowden has already proven what his character is, so even if he told the USA “Nahh,, i didn’t give ole Vlad anything” would he be believed?? I think ,, umm,, NO!!!

194 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:39:14pm

re: #190 EPR-radar

A fourth motive could be simply to irritate the US.

Putin also has that base covered !!

195 kerFuFFler  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:39:26pm

It burns me up that Snowden’s threat to have all the documents released in the event that anything happens to him does not seem to take into account that a foreign government may ice him if they cannot get the information any other way. Seems like Russia and many other governments have a big motivation now to kidnap or kill him making the US government look culpable and making the release of a lot of damaging info likely.

196 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:39:51pm

re: #192 sattv4u2

He has an invitation from the U.S.
I bet the Russians wouldn’t let him accept that invitation even if he wanted to accept it.

197 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:39:55pm

MAZAL TOV!!!!

There are 2 new Zionist Overlords! Twin girls!

They will rule Alabama and then the World.

BOW TO YOUR NEW OVERLORDS.

198 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:40:27pm

re: #196 Lawrence Schmerel

He has an invitation from the U.S.
I bet the Russians wouldn’t let him accept that invitation even if he wanted to accept it.

I wouldn’t zaccly call it an ‘invitation’

199 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:40:33pm

BBL

200 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:41:20pm

Rebranding!

201 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:41:20pm

re: #187 Lawrence Schmerel

“allowed Snowden to stay”

I wonder about that. I bet he would like to leave, actually. The Russians are “allowing” him to stay though. I am sure the Russians eventually will have all that he has, if they don’t already.

Snowden’s not going anywhere. Even if another country would cough up the documents necessary for him to legally leave Russia, the final okay has to come from the Russians. And my guess is they’re not going to let him out of their sight, now that they’ve no doubt pumped him for information and fear that he might squeal to the press about his treatment.

202 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:42:26pm

In September 1976 the US U-2 operations were turned over to the 9th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing, but the U-2 operation at RAF Akrotiri continued to be called Operating Location OH until September 1980. Thereafter it became Detachment 3 of the 9th SRW, although the name OLIVE HARVEST continues. Two U-2’s are stationed at RAF Akrotiri and they are still monitoring the ceasefire agreement between the Egypt and Israel although the present operations in Central Command requires further missions. U-2’s also transit through RAF Akrotiri either on going into the Central Command theatre or returning to Beale AFB.

en.wikipedia.org

203 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:43:24pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

If this is true, and I think it is, it is doubtful anyone will ever see Snowden again. Future generations will be playing the game of what-ever-happened-to-Snowden.

204 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:45:14pm

re: #197 Vicious Babushka

MAZAL TOV!!!!

There are 2 new Zionist Overlords! Twin girls!

They will rule Alabama and then the World.

BOW TO YOUR NEW OVERLORDS.

congrats and congrats!!

205 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:46:05pm

re: #203 Lawrence Schmerel

If this is true, and I think it is, it is doubtful anyone will ever see Snowden again. Future generations will be playing the game of what-ever-happened-to-Snowden.

He’s gonna grow old and die in some Russian backwater town, his every move followed by the FSB or whoever eventually replaces them, with the understanding that if he attempts to leave he’ll spend the rest of his days busting big rocks into little ones. Sure as hell isn’t any chance that Assange or Greenwald will come to the rescue.

206 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:46:18pm
207 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:47:42pm

re: #197 Vicious Babushka

MAZAL TOV!!!!

There are 2 new Zionist Overlords! Twin girls!

They will rule Alabama and then the World.

BOW TO YOUR NEW OVERLORDS.

Mazal tov to you, Grandma! Hope everyone is okey-dokey. : ) Youtube Video

208 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:48:09pm

re: #203 Lawrence Schmerel

If this is true, and I think it is, it is doubtful anyone will ever see Snowden again. Future generations will be playing the game of what-ever-happened-to-Snowden.

Funny, but I can’t quite seem to pity him. He chose his own bed to lie in.

He chose to flee, ultimately to a country where his rights will be more abridged than they ever would have been in the US (with the caveat of before his actions, but even in prison he would have had some rights the Russians don’t). All of his choices have been shortsighted at best and malicious at worst.

209 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:48:41pm

re: #206 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

So Snowden left a lot of babies on people’s doorsteps but included a note telling the person to treat the baby right and Greenwald wants to make him Father of the Year?

That is basically what Glenn is saying here.

210 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:49:38pm

re: #206 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Nope, not any harder to make Snowden one of the bad guys.

211 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:50:22pm

“I have nothing.”

-Glenn Greenwald.

212 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:50:31pm

re: #209 b.d.

So Snowden left a lot of babies on people’s doorsteps but included a note telling the person to treat the baby right and Greenwald wants to make him Father of the Year?

That is basically what Glenn is saying here.

Pretty much. Glenn is such a virtuous fellow, such that we must overlook the numerous felonies he committed because he’s told the press to be careful about what stolen property they release to the public.

213 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:50:59pm

re: #206 NJDhockeyfan

So he doesn’t dictate story choices. Big deal. How does that negate Snowden’s crimes again?

214 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:51:57pm

re: #213 Lidane

So he doesn’t dictate story choices. Big deal. How does that negate Snowden’s crimes again?

Surprised Glenn hasn’t tried to dub him a modern day Robin Hood, stealing from the government to give to the people.

215 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:53:14pm

re: #214 Targetpractice

You just gave him the idea. Good work.

216 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:54:34pm

re: #213 Lidane

So he doesn’t dictate story choices. Big deal. How does that negate Snowden’s crimes again?

That’s because, as we all know, being told what he can and can’t write about is the only high crime in Greenwald’s book.

217 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:54:41pm

re: #215 Internet Tough Guy

You just gave him the idea. Good work.

Mea culpa. Mea maxima cupla .

218 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:55:15pm

re: #206 NJDhockeyfan

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Very lame, GG.

219 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:55:31pm

Couple arrested for sex inside shed at Home Depot

Let the hardware puns begin!

220 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:55:32pm

re: #209 b.d.

So Snowden left a lot of babies on people’s doorsteps but included a note telling the person to treat the baby right and Greenwald wants to make him Father of the Year?

That is basically what Glenn is saying here.

This is one of the better restatements I’ve heard.

221 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:55:51pm
222 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:56:30pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

Couple arrested for sex inside shed at Home Depot

Let the hardware puns begin!

At least they both got nailed, but I wonder how hammered you have to be to even think of something like that.

223 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:56:38pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

You can start.

224 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:57:05pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

Couple arrested for sex inside shed at Home Depot

Let the hardware puns begin!

I was going to go with “Clean-up in aisle 5” but, um:

“Something something something power drill, ammirite?

225 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:57:28pm

re: #215 Internet Tough Guy

You just gave him the idea. Good work.

This may be assuming facts not in evidence, like the proposition that GG reads anything written by others neutrally or favorably.

226 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:58:00pm

re: #222 klys

At least they both got nailed, but I wonder how hammered you have to be to even think of something like that.

They’re screwed

227 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:58:02pm

I knew this was good news for regular people, but I hadn’t considered the dudebro angle.

228 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:58:18pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

Couple arrested for sex inside shed at Home Depot

Let the hardware puns begin!

At least we know the plumbing is functional.

229 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:58:20pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

Couple arrested for sex inside shed at Home Depot

Let the hardware puns begin!

I blame Home Depot.

230 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:58:25pm

re: #223 ProTARDISLiberal

You can start.

I guess you could say they were….screwed.

YEAHHHHHHHH!!

231 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:58:28pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

Couple arrested for sex inside shed at Home Depot

Let the hardware puns begin!

Someone in the store must have told them to get a room. So the rednecks did.

232 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:58:39pm

re: #226 sattv4u2

They’re screwed

25 seconds.

233 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:58:56pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

Couple arrested for sex inside shed at Home Depot

Let the hardware puns begin!

Well, he was kinda rakish, but in the end, she knew that he had to drill her good.

Plungers are on aisle 3, Pipe layers are in the shed. Thanks! /

234 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:59:16pm

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

25 seconds.

i’ll leave you with the HARD WOOD pun

oopppss,,, sorry,, too late

235 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:59:59pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

Couple arrested for sex inside shed at Home Depot

Let the hardware puns begin!

Did he have to plier her with drinks first?

236 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:00:28pm

So can we say she checked out one tool too many?

237 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:00:38pm

I totally have one that works with hoes, but …yeah. I draw my lines somewhere.

238 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:02:40pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did he have to plier her with drinks first?

I think he got her by plying wood.

//It’s a stretch, I know.

239 Mattand  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:03:09pm

re: #200 Lidane

Rebranding!

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I know it’s the Nuge and what not, but I never ceased to be amazed by people who insist that slavery is somehow not that not bad. Or that a political program that actually tries to undo the damage slavery did to the US is worse.

240 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:03:19pm

Well now that we are going off topic, I want to share something that ticked me off.

I like this song.

Youtube Video

However, there are some scummy comments. Down below. Examples.

From LudeMasta99

Most of you probably won’t agree with me, but this woman was legendary perfection from head to toe. That is gone with her receiving tattoos… Sad truth.

From dulce lengua

she is no different then any other nasty female. its sad to see what she did to herself.

Newsflash to men like them: Women, famous ones included, are not your things to look at and ogle. Women have control over their bodies and can do what they which. being a Sunni Muslim, I won’t get a tattoo, but I’ll never judge someone who does. This aggravates me such much.

Also, Alizee is almost a mirror image to Miley Cyrus, but that is for another time.

241 Mattand  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:05:19pm

re: #240 ProTARDISLiberal

Well now that we are going off topic, I want to share something that ticked me off.

I like this song.

[Embedded content]

However, there are some scummy comments. Down below. Examples.

From LudeMasta99

From dulce lengua

Newsflash to men like them: Women, famous ones included, are not your things to look at and ogle. Women have control over their bodies and can do what they which. being a Sunni Muslim, I won’t get a tattoo, but I’ll never judge someone who does. This aggravates me such much.

Also, Alizee is almost a mirror image to Miley Cyrus, but that is for another time.

At this point, being disgusted by someone with tattoos is like being disgusted by someone who breathes oxygen.

242 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:06:18pm

re: #238 klys

I think he got her by plying wood.

//It’s a stretch, I know.

not if the plywood was tongue in groove.
{running and ducking now…}

243 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:06:27pm

re: #239 Mattand

I know it’s the Nuge and what not, but I never ceased to be amazed by people who insist that slavery is somehow not that not bad. Or that a political program that actually tries to undo the damage slavery did to the US is worse.

If it’s so wonderful maybe the Nuge should try it for a few years himself. But, even then, it won’t be the same since he knows the time would eventually end or that he could quit.

244 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:06:56pm

Waiting on the inspector to verify that the AC and ductwork was installed to code. I have an afternoon slot. Who wants to put in a bet on when they actually show?

Additional context: I have errands to run this afternoon.

245 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:07:51pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

not if the plywood was tongue in groove.
{running and ducking now…}

At least he wasn’t in search of a wood chipper.

246 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:08:04pm
247 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:08:10pm

re: #244 klys

Waiting on the inspector to verify that the AC and ductwork was installed to code. I have an afternoon slot. Who wants to put in a bet on when they actually show?

Additional context: I have errands to run this afternoon.

Going to attempt to outwit Fate by “faking” leaving and then immediately returning a few minutes later?
;)

248 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:08:34pm

re: #241 Mattand

Yeah. And Alizee is still beautiful. Hell, her more mature look now is pretty cool.

(For the record, I am about 6 months younger than Taylor Swift. Alizee is 6 years older than me.)

249 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:10:12pm

re: #246 NJDhockeyfan

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The Greenwald con was over from minute 1 to anyone who is sane, intellectually honest, and not suffering from selective amnesia about the past decade.

250 Amory Blaine  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:10:28pm

The Dude was right. Nihilism is exhausting.

251 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:11:24pm

re: #244 klys

Waiting on the inspector to verify that the AC and ductwork was installed to code. I have an afternoon slot. Who wants to put in a bet on when they actually show?

Additional context: I have errands to run this afternoon.

I choose to read this post as an extension of the Home Depot posts (above).

Thank you,
SchadenBoner

252 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:11:36pm
253 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:12:00pm

re: #246 NJDhockeyfan

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Anybody who thinks that the Russians haven’t already pilfered everything Snowden has and put his ass through the wringer to get every bit of info out of his head are fooling themselves.

254 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:12:57pm

re: #247 Feline Fearless Leader

Going to attempt to outwit Fate by “faking” leaving and then immediately returning a few minutes later?
;)

Haha, no. I at least have a house to do list that I can also work on.

255 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:13:10pm
256 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:13:21pm

re: #252 lawhawk

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“The experience gave Hutchinson some pause, but he still supports giving schools the authority to decide how best to secure their campuses.”

That’s all shooting another human being does to this guy, give him “some pause”?

257 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:13:42pm
258 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:13:53pm

re: #252 lawhawk

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Rebranding!

259 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:13:57pm

re: #253 Targetpractice

Anybody who thinks that the Russians haven’t already pilfered everything Snowden has and put his ass through the wringer to get every bit of info out of his head are fooling themselves.

Same with the Chinese.

260 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:14:16pm

re: #248 ProTARDISLiberal

Of course, I think I might have a type.

261 allegro  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:14:24pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

That’s all shooting another human being does to this guy, give him “some pause”?

What, you’re going to hold just a little “oops” against the guy?

//

262 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:14:58pm
263 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:15:02pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

That’s all shooting another human being does to this guy, give him “some pause”?

He has to reload.

264 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:16:15pm

re: #255 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

And the 9th Circuit affirmed California’s gay therapy conversion ban for children.

265 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:17:03pm

re: #262 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Ahmadinejad isn’t president of Iran anymore, and even when he was, these issues were outside of his authority.

266 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:17:04pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

That’s all shooting another human being does to this guy, give him “some pause”?

“It’s a pity I’ve run out of bullets.”

This shooting was apparently with a rubber bullet, which makes the story less extreme, but does not fix the underlying insanity of the heavily armed school concept being pushed here.

267 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:17:57pm

re: #225 EPR-radar

This may be assuming facts not in evidence, like the proposition that GG reads anything written by others neutrally or favorably.

How is he supposed to get righteous indignation about personal attacks if he doesn’t misinterpret things that might disagree with him (maybe)?

268 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:20:06pm

re: #267 Internet Tough Guy

How is he supposed to get righteous indignation about personal attacks if he doesn’t misinterpret things that might disagree with him (maybe)?

Through blatant intellectual and moral bankruptcy.

(Duh?)

269 Norbrook  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:22:34pm

re: #119 Jack Burton

I thought the code was CPE1704TKS?

That code is obsolete since it’s easily bypassed using the simple command “Let’s play tic tac toe.”

270 leftynyc  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:50:59pm

re: #197 Vicious Babushka

MAZAL TOV!!!!

There are 2 new Zionist Overlords! Twin girls!

They will rule Alabama and then the World.

BOW TO YOUR NEW OVERLORDS.

Mazel Tov from another Zionist twin girl!!! Any pics?

271 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:52:46pm

re: #270 leftynyc

Mazel Tov from another Zionist twin girl!!! Any pics?

See upstairs thread.

272 JDSBlueDevl  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:59:30pm

The one bit of malfeasance I did see is the whole “spying on Israel” thing, grouping them in with China, Russia, Cuba, and Iran (!). I can see where average Israelis would say that they’ve had it with the US government and will increasingly support politicians who are opposed to any form of restraint the US wants to impose on Israeli handling of Iran (think Jewish Home on the milder side, National Union on the extreme side). That breaking point may come in how Obama handles the crossed red lines in Syria. If Obama handles it weakly or poorly, Israel may decide to handle Iran on its own terms (something that I don’t think Obama wants).

And now you know why I wrote in Jon Huntsman last November.

273 jonhendry  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:03:43pm

re: #266 EPR-radar

Except (not-Asa) Hutchinson appears to support police “resource officers” in schools, when the school can afford it, which is better than just wanting to arm teachers in general and in quantity. (Security in smaller/poorer districts is still an issue, and he’d probably support having a teacher trained and armed.)

The original reporting on this made it sound a lot worse. The update I read at TPM today made Hutchinson actually sound like a relatively sane Republican, who actually did learn from his experience of mistaking an armed “teacher” for the “bad guy” in a simulation, simply because the “teacher” was firing a gun.

274 JDRhoades  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:17:31pm

Charles Stross’s take on how modern corporate thinking affects what happened with Snowden:

The key facts are: Generation X’s parents expected a job for life, but with few exceptions Gen Xers never had that — they’re used to nomadic employment, hire-and-fire, right-to-work laws, the whole nine yards of organized-labour deracination. Gen Y’s parents are Gen X.

Gen Y has never thought of jobs as permanent things. Gen Y will stare at you blankly if you talk about loyalty to their employer; the old feudal arrangement (“we’ll give you a job for life and look after you as long as you look out for the Organization”) is something their grandparents maybe ranted about, but it’s about as real as the divine right of kings. Employers are alien hive-mind colony intelligences who will fuck you over for the bottom line on the quarterly balance sheet. They’ll give you a laptop and tell you to hot-desk or work at home so that they can save money on office floorspace and furniture. They’ll dangle the offer of a permanent job over your head but keep you on a zero-hours contract for as long as is convenient. This is the world they grew up in: this is the world that defines their expectations.

To Gen X, a job for life with the NSA was a probably-impossible dream — it’s what their parents told them to expect, but few of their number achieved. To Gen Y the idea of a job for life is ludicrous and/or impossible.

This means the NSA and their fellow swimmers in the acronym soup of the intelligence-industrial complex are increasingly reliant on nomadic contractor employees, and increasingly subject to staff churn. There is an emerging need to security-clear vast numbers of temporary/transient workers … and workers with no intrinsic sense of loyalty to the organization.

There’s more, and it’s all worth reading.

275 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:31:17am

re: #272 JDSBlueDevl

Welcome, hatchling.


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